October 13, 2022 • 47 mins
Today's episode is about an absolute favorite topic, Astrology. Joining us to dive deep into this conversation is Dr. Jennifer Freed.
Jennifer Freed Ph.D. is the best-selling author of Use Your Planets Wisely and a renowned psychological astrologer and social and emotional education trainer. She has spent over thirty years consulting clients and businesses worldwide on psychological, spiritual, and educational topics. She has served as the clinical director of Pacifica Graduate Institute and is a national consultant for EMDR (Post Traumatic Growth Therapies).
She elaborates on her new book, “A Map To Your Soul”. Purchase directly through her site in order to receive special gifts along with the book.
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give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come Dropping Dropping
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Welcome back to another episode of the Dropping Gems podcast.
I'm Debbie Brown, and this is your soft place to land.
This is the show where we explore higher consciousness and
make it so beautifully applicable and tangible to our day
to day lives. It is a space where you are
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free to explore yourself with gentleness, with softness, with kindness,
and with a chisel. We are sculptors on this path
to awakening and mastery. I'm so happy you're here. Today's
episode is all about one of my fivorite topics of
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all time. If you have been listening to the show,
you know how deeply I love the sacred spiritual science
that is astrology. Astrology has been instrumental to my path
of growth, my path of self honoring, my path of sovereignty,
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and it's something that I get really excited about to
share with people, especially in my life and even combing
through my son who is only four, going through his
birth chart, Um, it makes me feel so much more
empowered as a mother that I can really always be
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fine tuning my gaze so that I see him as
his authentic self and I'm not seeing him through myself
or my wounds, or even my desires and wants for him.
So using astrology has been a profound gift in my
life and I love being able to share that on
this show. And today we're gonna go deep. We have
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a really special show today with an incredible woman who
has been doing this work in such a multitude of
ways for decades. Dr Jennifer Freed has more than thirty
years as a depth psychologist, social emotional trainer, and astrologer.
She is an author and a certified E M d
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R Expert and a national consultant with a PhD in psychology.
In addition to her expertise as an astrologer, Dr Jennifer
Freed is here to show you how to decode and
tap into your gifts and this practical guide to life,
she explains how your astrological birth chart can point you
to the life you want and offer self assessments to
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pinpoint your most effective strategies. She has penned ten books
relating to personal growth. She has also been interviewed for
her expertise by The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Goop,
USA Today, and Vogue, among other Her newest book, A
Map to Your Soul, was published on October four by
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Goop and Rodale and it she offers practical exercises for
topics ranging from communications styles to creativity, home styles two
psychic development and health habits to belief systems. Dr Jennifer
Freed's most recent book before this one was A Personal
Faith that You Will Love called use your planets wisely.
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And the book that I'm really excited to dive in
with her today is called A Map to Your Soul
and its in stores now. Welcome to the show, Dr
Jennifer Freed. I couldn't be more happy to be here,
because what you're about, I'm about, and we women have
to support the change of consciousness rapidly. Thank you for
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starting the show like that. Gosh, I don't even know
where to begin be because I am truly When I
connected to your work, I was really inspired. Um, you know,
you started the show really talking about in the first
couple of seconds consciousness, the awakened path and connecting to
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my birth chart, specifically looking through it through a psychological lens.
Over the last decade had radically shifted my consciousness, changed
my life, and activated I think, the highest level of
my purpose. And so I cannot understate for myself and others,
um speaking of this on this show, how important this
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is and how necessary and beautiful and even romantic it
feels to get in touch with the truth of your
chart and your life. So I am just so honored
to have you more than you could really know. Well,
you just gave it the best description that helps me
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educate other people, which is it is a role man's art.
People always want to make it a science to give
it credibility, but the deep feminine has always known that
science is just twelve hundred years behind validating what we
already know. And what we know is that we're cosmic citizens,
were humans wrapped around beautiful spirit, and we each have
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an incredibly magnificent role, if not roles, to play in
the evolution of consciousness and heaven on Earth. Let's get going,
people and the charts the way you can know what's
the lesson plan Let's get to it. Wow, Before I
get into your new book that is coming out, I
would love to start with Use your Planets Wisely. This
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has been such an important book for so many people.
You release it in the last two years, Using your
Planets Wisely, just to establish a baseline, Can you share
with the audience what that means. Yes, there are end
planets and chiron in everyone's birth chart. Everyone has them.
The chart is just a picture of the heavens at
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the moment you were born, where those planets were placed
in what signs. My book Use Your Planets Wisely, which
came out in is about you looking at each planet
in your chart and the sign it's in and learning
how to move from what I call a primitive level
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of applying that energy to an evolving level. It's so
important to know what is the baseline that we all
lapse into based out of fear and bad conditioning, but
what can we reach for? So, for example, what's your
sun sign? Will give an example. So I'm a Sun
and Moon Gemini and a Leo rising. Okay, let's take
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the Sun and Moon and Gemini. So the Sun is
your basic identity. Gemini is an air signed ruled by mercury.
When you are in your prey emitive mode, that particular
energy would be very distracted, disassociated, skitterish, not focused. But
when the Sun your basic identity is evolving in Gemini,
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it confers upon you with your own work, a eloquent
and masterful communicator. And so it doesn't mean you're not
gonna have those moments of being a ditzy, you know,
air airhead, but you can shift that the minute you
notice it. Right, you could notice, oh, I'm really kind
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of disconnected, disassociated and not very focused, and then you
can say, no, my art here on this planet, my
identity is an artful, eloquent, masterful communicator, and so clearly
that's what you're doing, and you just keep leaning toward
the evolving. Now, if we take your Leo rising and
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oh my god, are you beauti full. I've never met
you before, but you're just studying, and that's very good
with the Leo rising, because the rising sign is how
you appear to others, who they first meet when they
meet you, and Leo, the lion with the beautiful mane
of hair, is who we first meet when you're evolving.
Is this open hearted lionist who's there to just create
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more radical love on earth. So that's really working for you.
And then the Moon is your emotional needs. Everyone has
a moon sign. Yours is Gemini. When it's in its unskillful,
primitive place, your need is just to talk obsessively and
get them where you know, it's just like ruminating, ruminating person,
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most talkative and yeah, yeah, but when you're evolving, your
Moon and Gemini becomes the quintessential emotional communicator. You know
what you're feeling, you know how to describe it, You're
a great listener, and that emotional deep conversation is nurturing
for you and others. So that just breaks down how
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I look at it. The book use your planets wisely,
every single person can use that book to unpack how
to move from the primitive to the evolving in all
aspects of their chart. And then my new book, which
is already out number one in astrology, is called a
Map to Yourself. I know, I'm so yeah. I was
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just telling my partner today to work this hard on
something and have it really pay off in terms of results,
because you and I are both wanting the same thing.
Let's help people change the consciousness. And this book is
my love letter to all the people, whether they are
into a astrology or not. How do you become a
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fully expressed human being running on all cylinders? Because my
contention is if you are fully expressing all your gifts
and talents, you will inevitably help the world because that's
how energy flows. When I'm full, all I want to
do is help you and others. That's all I want
to do. You know, I love how you just expressed
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such beautiful things in the natural way. Everything that you
just shared was like ding ding ding ding ding. Um.
I'm I'm just so aligned with your work and you
know to think of I really believe in living my chart,
you know, and I think as as some people are
coming more into this world and kind of opening, especially
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you know, in in certain communities of culture, opening to
things that are ancient and began at the beginning of time,
but accepting them as useful tools now is some of
the hardship culturally. And when I first got acquainted with
my chart, I think I had my first reading at
nineteen and then you know, you forget You've got to
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have your Sadden return for most of it to kick in.
And by thirty I really started using my chart as
the guiding post of my purpose to help me learn
and understand, especially coming from a challenged background, how to
best use my gifts, how to find them. I found
that my chart gave me validation for parts of myself
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that I thought only I was experiencing, and it really
allowed me to bloom in the truth of who I
am outside of societal programming and outside of all of
the experiences that felt really complicated in my life. Um
So living my everything that you just shared, I was like, yeah,
when I you know, previously, if I was out of balance,
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it was like talk talk, talk, asked all the questions,
like really be the person controlling the conversation and dictating
where it went. And now I crave silence, but when
I do speak, I try to at my best, you know,
speak from a space of service to others, speaks from
a space of compassion and of knowledge. So hearing that
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it was really beautiful because I see that as well
in myself and in my chart with your that's so cool.
How did you first connect to your chart? Because your
background is utterly fascinating. You are like every single thing
a person would need to awaken, or every single thing
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a person would need in another person to awaken. Thank
you well, you know, as often as the case with
healers and teachers, I came to all of this because
I was hurt and wounded and traumatized. So my starting
with astrology and psychology was my own desperate plea to
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my soul to find a path through the trauma and
the hurt and the confusion. So my path started really
at eighteen and a half with astrology and ecology, and
I have been studying and practicing both ever since. And
then in the last twenty years, I created a nonprofit
with my partner and that nonprofit has been focused on
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helping young people, parents and educators learned social emotional skills.
So I've also become a national trainer and social emotional education.
So my three buckets, if you will, our astrology, psychology,
and then how to really work with social emotional issues
and bring them into a higher consciousness. UM. So that's
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my path, and you know it clearly was selfish. I
needed the healing, but because I was so so devoted
and committed to my own growth and healing and to
stop doing harmful things to myself and others, I do
feel like I've benefited beyond any imagined outcome from all
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of this help, and then I'm able to pass it
on to others. Mm hmm. Wow. That is so beautiful.
A word that came up for me a lot when
I was first really becoming acquainted with my chart and
also just my own depth of psychology. Was building spiritual
confidence is the terminology I used for myself, and I
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felt that working with my chart, really working with regulating
myself emotionally, it allowed me to build my spiritual confidence
so that I was able to be a lot more
trust with my life um, and a lot more trust
with the greater complexities of the life that we witness
and observe, all of us having, how do you navigate,
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you know, working with the chart. There's so many different
styles of astrology and also really fascinating ways that a
lot of new healers and emerging healers are using astrology
and their work. What do you notice in terms of
kind of the world astrology or the collective astrology of
what we're seeing in this in this moment um, and
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how can we utilize that also with our individual astrology. Well,
that's a great question. I think that there's been an
enormous swing towards astrological knowledge in a time in which
the institutions of our world have failed us through racism, sexism, homophobia,
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all the rest of the isms. Astrology is thousands of
years old and never cared one way or another about hierarchy.
There is no better human, there is no top dog,
there is no make it to the top, and that's
the end all of your life. It's really about integration,
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and it's a cosmology that says everything belongs, everything belongs,
and so I belong. So I think a lot of
people have turned towards astrology because there's no organized religion
about it. And it's a great connecting tool, and it's
a self awareness tool, and it's readily available, and like
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any movement, it's an enormous movement. There are those people
that are taking it to extraordinary creative and imaginative places,
and there are other people that are exploiting it and
using it in all the wrong ways, which is stereotyping, reductionism,
more boxes, you know. But I think for the large part,
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it's given people a sense of we have a part
to play in this divine organistration. You call it spiritual confidence,
which I love and I'll borrow and in my book
and right now I'm going to name it spiritual agency.
We're in a divine partnership. People always ask me what
will happen? How will this turn out? And I say, well,
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how will it turn out? It's up to you, you know.
It's not like not like that, you know. I find
it so funny because like in a movie, you always
want to know how it's going to end, But somebody
wrote that movie. Humans forget. We're writing the movie called life.
There is no director writer out there like got the
punch line. We're doing it so people like you and
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people like me are writing a beautiful movie. Let's have
other people come see it. Let's have other people playing it.
I love the way that you just expressed all of that. Yeah,
we're co creators. Act like it. You know. If someone
sees their chart and you know, I think you've got
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to spend a lot of time with it to fall
in love with it. I think I'm the best signs ever, right,
I think I have like I'm like, oh, this is
the this is the dream chart. Um, Which is not
to say life hasn't been profoundly challenging, but where it's
guiding me, you know, as I stay aligned and on course,
I'm really excited about how my life can potentially on
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fold for those that may begin working with their chart.
Because something I do hear from a lot of listeners
to this show as sometimes when we explore this topic
is but it feels so negative. Right when they look
at astrology through a psychological lens, they just see they're
out of balanced self very often and the understanding that
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they can really evolve into more, but we have to
see what that baseline of where we're at now is.
I hear so often even from listeners in this show
that are inspired and excited about this path, saying oh,
but it's hard for me to really look at it
regularly because it feels negative. How can okay? Well? Two things.
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Two things. Any astrology that's spreading fear is not astrology.
You should pay attention to. Any astrology that's negatively framing
things not astrology you should pay attention to. There's a
lot of apps that get your attention by warning and scaring.
You know the best app that I've looked at this
Channi's app Channing Nicholas, and it's never negative, it's positive,
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it's purposeful. She's the real deal. Get that app. But look,
I have a hard chart, meaning some people have harder
charts than others. But there's nothing in my chart that
doesn't say, go, Jennifer. Go. All of its Christopher the Mill.
All of it's able to be turned and composted into
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gifts and shared experiences. So yes, you have to be
able to interpret what the complexes are like what was
I born with? Oh, I've got this difficulty and that difficulty,
but all of them can be elevated to actual rapturous
skills and gifts, all of them. So I want to
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say to your audience is ever listening. Don't ever listen
to anyone that's stopping at the limitation. The chart is
a portal to your magnificence, and every design the chart
is for you. Every design in the chart is for you.
None of it is to try to keep you down
or make your life more painful. It's all a lesson
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planned for your ultimate growth. Jennifer, Thank you, Thank you,
thank you. That sounded um, so purposeful, so beautiful, and
so tangible to really begin to explore this um with
all the gifts and benefits that are in it. Your
latest book, your number one bestseller, A Map to Your Soul.
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It was just released this past October. Everyone listening will
link to the episode in the body of the Summarine,
so you can click through to that right here on
the pod. Please walk me through this book, the second
tier on this beautiful exploration of self. Yes, and I
want to tell you because you're gonna be so into this.
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I have also this amazing oracular astrology yet coming out
in March that will blow you away. That has to
do everything with the transits and the aspects. By the
time you get I know you are just be on
the lookout in March, but that this book is really
a primer for everyone to look at their areas of
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life that are related to the astrological houses. There's twelve
and they pretty much cover all the parts of our lives.
But in each chapter you can dig in and start
to really realize where you could be more expressed, where
there's more space for your full bloom in every single
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aspect of your life. Your persona, your values, your communication patterns,
your home or shelter, your creativity, your love life, your health, habits,
your partnerships, your sex life, your beliefs, and even travel,
your friendships, what I call the sacred crew the most
important thing in so we should talk about that, and
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and the in the twelve house, you know spirituality and
psychic abilities. So the book covers all these twelve areas,
but gives readers an opportunity alone or with others to
truly start wondering where have I been blinded to another
part of myself that could emerge? And the book is
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so practical for people to start investigating with each other,
how can I become more of who I am? And
that's the whole point of the book, A fully expressed life.
M M M M you are speaking my sole language. Well,
Leo Rising, you just want to keep shining. You don't
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want to stop at any um stop sign. You want
to keep on the road of self discovery. Yes, the
guiding light. And anytime I don't do that, I suffer.
And every time I do do that, I bloom um yeah,
yeah and really powerful. So I want to talk about
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the Eleventh Chapter and the Sacred Crew because it's going
to be the most important part of our lives in
the next few years as the planet Pluto goes out
of Capricorn into Aquarius. In that's after sixteen years of
the organizations and institutions and money systems taking a massive hit,
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we go into this whole exploration of what it means
to be kinship, what it means to be affiliated, what
it means to be what I call the Sacred Crew.
And one of the things people forget all the time
to mention, and so I'm going to say it is
I wouldn't be here on this show with you. I
wouldn't have written eleven books in my life if it
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weren't for my Sacred Crew. They are the people that
have helped me become who I am. And the fallacy
of the rugged indivi visualist is what's really hurt so
many people because number one, it's not true nobody gets
there without a lot of support. But two, people actually
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think they should be shouldering everything and doing everything, and
if they aren't doing it themselves, they're weak or they're lazy.
Oh my god, I'd be so nowhere without my people,
I'd be nowhere. Yes, and coming into what are you?
What are you seeing? Sensing? How you know that saxteen year?
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You know you can see the turmoil, the turmoil we're
you know this the fall of and the winter into
January is going to be super tempestuous and difficult and
lots of radical shocks and surprises, and we're already having them.
It's not going to be any newer than this. But
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we're all facing like the recession and the global political strife,
and it's a lot of hearts stuff. Let's be real.
But my contention is if every single person decided to
put positive energy towards something in their life every single
day on this planet, we could shift it like this.
It could be a nightmare into a dream. And the
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dream I have by the time Pluto goes into Aquarius
is can we really wake out of the unconsciousness that
we're separate. If people really understood, even though you would
think getting the virus from a market in China, you
would realize we're also connected. But if we really got it,
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you could never act in a day harmfully toward another
because in fact it's you m So the Pluto and
Aquarius is we wake up to what we've sewed, but
we also wake up to the communities we built or
haven't built, and what are their core values? So I'm
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know my community the core values kindness. The core value
is generosity. The core value is protecting and providing for
the less fortunate. You know, you've got to really get
clear who are your people, what are they committed to?
And talk to your people about it, like, don't make
this a guessing game. You're around certain people in your life.
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Are they fountains of inspiration and support? Where are they
drains and dramas? I haven't got no room for the
drain and drama. I love the people, but I don't
need to invest in the Thank you for saying that,
the freedom. I wish you lasting peace, but I can't
keep spending my energetic currency here and it doesn't actually work.
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I mean, I'm I'm the most guilty of it. So
it's been a hard thing in my chart to let
go be the savior and the hero. It's never worked out.
But what I finally realized is there's so many growing
flowers I can be spreading my light to. Why would
I spend a minute trying to pull some weed out
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of the ground that doesn't actually want to go out? No,
let it grow focus elsewhere. I know that was a
breakthrough for someone listening to the show right now, stop
and rewind and listen to that again. Spend a little
time journaling to that thought. After Jennifer shared again, please
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I have to ask, while I have you so a
year that has been coming to me a lot as
kind of being able to get the closest to normal
as whatever that means, but the closest to not constantly overstimulated.
I've been getting a lot around astrologically. Really Okay, yeah, yeah,
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Well just here's the thing, and this is the important part.
There is a calmer kind of cosmic astrology at the
end of but it also is the consequence of whatever
our actions have been, how calm or relaxing or stabilizing
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that can be so I would say, if you knew
that the results of your actions will lead to a
cosmic shift that we could all enjoy in what would
you do full on every day if you knew you
were the lynchpin, you were the cause, you were the
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one that was going to make this a real turn
towards some equity for people and love, consciousness, spreading and awakening.
Like I want to tell every audience member that's listening,
believe it or not, in your fingertips is a spark
that could be the one spark that makes it it?
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Can he just love fest mm hmmm mmm mmm, Please
everyone ignite your spark. Ah. I am really excited to
um continue to unpack this book to share it. It
is in stores now. A map to your soul. And
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I'm really looking forward to your Oracle Deck. I uh,
it is so much fun to get in there and
to just see your own self and your own inner
wisdom and in our authority come to life. You're using
gorgeous tools like that. And also the reason I did
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the deck that was really thirty years of work. So
I think you're gonna love it. But I think the
reason I did the Deck and these two books is
because you know, we really have been given a secret
code to living a really great life. It's an amazing
thing in this bizarrely chaotic creation that we've been given
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this code of how to actually awaken and how to
be part of an animated cosmos, and how to know
ourselves as beloved we This language leads to that. And
so I think when people take the time to meditate
on this code, at least for me because I've been
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forty years into it, I get secrets all the time,
like little whispers from the heavens. Oh, Jennifer, have you
thought about this? What about that? Oh? What about that?
Leo rising? Maybe it would look like this, and it's
like whispers from the cosmos, your own personal romance with
the cosmos. I just think people should really realize that
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this is a toolbox that's just free. You know. It's amazing.
H It has been a me having you on this show.
Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so
much for sharing this deep wisdom, in this gorgeous perspective
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and language with my audience. Dr Jennifer Freed A Map
to Your Soul, Her latest book by Goop and Rodale
is in stores right now and please as you're adding
things to cart, check out the previous book that released
in Use your planets wisely and just have fun. Expand
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over this next year, diving into yourself with these gorgeous tools,
loving on your chart, letting your chart love on you,
and then live your chart, live for heighst alignment, live
your healing, live your wisdom. Thank you so much. I
think that you know you've done the work. You shine.
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You're a beacon, and I know that we have to
lift each other up. And I want you to know
I believe in you. I'm here for you. I deeply
feel that, and I've really received that. Thank you. Actually,
I have one more question before you go. I could
have a couple of a couple of minutes. It came
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to me one of the things that you speak to
is compatibility, like cosmic compatibility. Something that has been really
fun for me and friends who are also awakening or
on this path already is looking at, you know, kind
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of our synastry, like looking at the ways that we
compare and meet one another in this life. And it's
been really gorgeous when especially those I'm closest to that
are part of my sacred crew, we are clearly seeing
the past life connections in our chart. We're clearly seeing
the unified mission that we shared, and we're even seeing
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some very similar challenges at ages and times we didn't
know each other that we were going throughout the same
time to awaken us to the current version of ourselves.
It's been absolutely gorgeous. It's something with everyone that works
for my company. I have everyone's chart. We look at
it for working styles and compatibility. Um. And absolutely I'm
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not dating someone without seeing their chart. Won't do it.
We're definitely not going to be in partnership if I
don't know what that's looking like. UM. So I would
just like love your thoughts on some of that cosmic
compatibility and how that can be really useful when we
think about friendship, love, partnership and even look at because
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studying my ex husband's chart with such a freeing gift
for me on my path, um, that allowed me to
come into a space of such beautiful compassion for our journey. UM.
And so just any thoughts you have to share around that, Well,
I think you've said all the hind notes, but I'm
going to confirm, Um, I don't know what I would
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do without knowing my loved one's charts and my family
members charts because you get a peek into everything about
them and then you see the intersection of your chart
with their chart, and that intersection tells you one of
two things, what your karma is going to be with
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each other, like what you're working out, and two where
you can really fly and really support each other. And I,
as a psychologist, have done the Meyer's HIGs and have
done other reality inventories. There is nothing more specific and
helpful than astrology. And for me, you know, I've been
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very close to some family members and others know to
understand the chart connection with the ones especially I'm not
close to, and get a more objective look at what
it is that creates the friction and not take it personally.
This is a godsend. So to me, you've got to
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know enough astrology to really look at what is called
the sinistry between the two charts. But in my book,
that's the best investment you could ever do with a company,
that you could ever do with a family. I do
family readings, I do couples readings. This is like Paiger
when people really get it. Oh, that's why when you
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go in the closet and cry instead of come out
and have me hold you. You know, scorpion, I'm just
saying I didd one of those. They're all good. Let
me say everything is good. You just gotta know what
what's the what's the emotional roadmap that you're dealing with,
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because so much of what goes wrong in relationships is
people are projecting their own chart onto that person and
going why can't you do it? More like me is
if you really get the beauty of each person's sovereign chart,
you're not trying to change them, You're just trying to
understand them, and you can find in roads like my
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partner's triple water. I'm a lot of fire and air.
Twenty six years of this, we've had to have so
many conversations about our charts because we approached things so differently,
which is beautiful, but it's sometimes a real workout. Uh
thank you for that deep dive that is so gorgeous
and when I tell you, it is the most most
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most everyone useful tool I had. There was a challenging
friendship in my life where we just knew really loved
each other as friends, but we could not There was
so much unspoken tension that neither of us fully understood,
and I, you know, we both sat down, um an
app that I personally love is the pattern, and you
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can run your bonds and yes, oh super good. Shout
out to Lisa of a dear friend you put when
you put your charts together. She and I went through
it and we were able to see, oh, this person
triggers you this way, this person triggers you that way,
and then we were able to talk through what that
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felt like to each of us on opposing roles, and
it freed us in such an incredible way. That really
allowed me to stop feeling so irritated when I felt
that I was being kind of pressed up upon, and
to be able to see my dear friend in such
a new light and really understand her unique sovereign journey
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and not try to step on it, to just be
able to let both of us be ourselves and say,
feeling a little tension doesn't mean that something's wrong or
needs to be solved. This is just growth. Tension is
growth opportunity. And I think there's a saying in social
emotional work name it attainment. If you can make something conscious,
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it doesn't become your fate like we'll not conscious of
the tension or what the particular problem is we acted out.
But if I say to you, for example, your Mars
is on my moon, Like, let's say your Mars is
conjunct my moon, which it isn't, but let's say it was.
No matter what I feel like when you're around me,
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you're aggressive. That's just the way that occurs. Now, if
we can name that, like, gosh, you know, I don't
know what it is, but when you walk in the room,
I feel like aggressions walked in, then we can talk
about it, we can joke about it, we can detach
from our reactions to it. I just think that you're
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doing remarkable work to do this with your company and
your staff. I would recommend we did it at our
nonprofit with at least ten people. And it is hilarious
because we all started yeah, yeah, that that's the way
that shows up, and we make fun of ourselves and
we laugh instead of crying. Yes, right, this divine comic
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comedic tragedy. Yes, they Yeah. It's something that a few
of my friends always bring up. Um my my uh,
my venus is in Taurus, and so that's always a
point that friends bring up to me with a little
bit of laughter. When they see me in the world,
they're like, oh, there goes your Venus and taurists. I
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want to know how that shows up, because, by the way,
it's one of my favorite venus. So I want to
hear what they're joking with you about, because Venus is
exalted in Taurus. I bet you can. Can you tell
me about this? Okay? Well, venus Aphrodity likes to be
in Libra and Taurusts because she the goddess of beauty
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and she the goddess of material savoring and ep Curian delights,
likes to be in the luscious, sensual um sign of Taurusts.
It's an earthy, sensual, slow moving, gorgeous let's devour and enjoy,
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you know, the materials of life and beauty. I love
Venus and tourists crazy for it. Well, how does it
show up with you in every way that you just
express Like the way that my friends joked with me.
One of my good girlfriends especially, she's always like, God,
you're just so romantic with yourself. You live life in
such a romantic way, and I do. I love to
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save her. You know, a lot of friends tell me.
I have a very epicurean vocabulary. Things are really yummy
to me, nourishing, like there you go, that's actually and
put a lot of oils on your body and take
long showers and bath and like this. You know. Yeah,
by the way, I want to say something at this moment.
One of my dearest friends, one of the greatest energy
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healers I know. Um, she has a line of oor
sprays because her venus is a Taurus and she makes
these are sprays. It's called Sweet Soul Sister or a
sprays that you, as venus and Taurus, will go mad
about because not only are the best products I've ever used,
but she makes them gorgeous because she has Venus and Taurus.
So she makes no money on this because her packaging
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her so mean, Oh my god, right, thank you for that.
I also have an energy healer, so this is so aligned.
I got these our sprays. I'd like to live on
live on that because she reminds me of you and
that you know, she loves the beauty and the beautiful clothes,
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and then she makes her products like like as if
they're going to the queen. You know, you know, I
don't have im Venus in Aquarius. So I appreciate you all,
but I don't know one thing. It's like I am
the queen of baths and something that a lot of
listeners will connect to and hearing this is I always
tell everyone use the whole bags. This like, if you
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run yourself a beautiful, warm bath, it's don't scoop it.
You use the entire bag, dump it in. You know,
I'm like, I expect a fense to spend like fifteen
dollars per bath because I am working it like it's
I'm cooking on the stove. You know, I'm about to
submerge myself in healing and beauty and nourishment. Well, let's
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be real. Venus and Taurus ain't never cheat. Guess what,
that's the goddess return to Earth. So we've got to
revere this Venus and Taurus. She is Sophia, the goddess
of the embodied sensual beauty. To go to that, Dr Jennifer,
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what I mean, just what a complete gift you are
to Earth. Thank you so much for your work, thank
you for this conversation, thank you for answering your hall.
Thank you for being a lighthouse to others and in
many times that probably it was so hard to be
that deeply conscious mind and an even more than now
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unconscious world. I'm just so grateful. Well, I have two
things to add. One, go to Jennifer free dot com
because when you buy the book through me, you get
a lot of free gifts. Secondly, thank you. I really
felt that you give love very well. You're a good
love giver. What an amazing episode. Thank you for joining
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a little soul work for today. If you have not yet,
but I'm sure if you're listening to this show you
probably have. But if you haven't yet, take some time
as you're able and really either connect more deeply with
your birth chart, just spend some time observing it and
maybe noticing areas you don't normally focus on, or if
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you haven't done this yet, please create a plan to
get your birth chart figured out. What you'll need is
your birthdate, your birth time, the exact time you were born.
This piece is highly important. Your birth location. Now if
because of certain circumstances that is not easily possible, that
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can be challenging. Sometimes you can find an expert astrologer
that can find other ways with clues to figure that
out for you. Or you can always UM if you're
able and have use of where you were born, if
you know the hospital you were born, in the city
you were born in, but maybe not the time, maybe
you don't have your birth certificate. You can reach out
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to the Birth Certificate Office. I think it's the Hall
of Records and you can request one UM. So if
you don't have yours, please don't give up hope. There
are a few things that may take an extra step
to get connected to it, but it could really radically
change your life and once you have it, you'll always
have it. So highly recommend that spend some time and
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thought you know your signs about the way that things
are showing up for you in this moment. And one
of the things that Dr Jennifer spoke to on this
show was around the fact that when we've read some
parts of our chart, it may highlight what we may
be like when we are out of balance or when
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we're not in our healing. But really look to say,
what are some choices I can make that can shift
that for me? Now, what is another way of looking
at this moment? What is another way of alcomizing this
moment or becoming a creator in this moment for that,
so I hope you'll take some time to do that.
Thank you for listening, and please share this episode with
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I'm Debbie Brown, and this is your soft place to land.
This is the show where we explore higher consciousness and
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to day lives. It is a space where you are
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free to explore yourself with gentleness, with softness, with kindness,
and with a chisel. We are sculptors on this path
to awakening and mastery. I'm so happy you're here. Today's
episode is all about one of my fivorite topics of
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all time. If you have been listening to the show,
you know how deeply I love the sacred spiritual science
that is astrology. Astrology has been instrumental to my path
of growth, my path of self honoring, my path of sovereignty,
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and it's something that I get really excited about to
share with people, especially in my life and even combing
through my son who is only four, going through his
birth chart, Um, it makes me feel so much more
empowered as a mother that I can really always be
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fine tuning my gaze so that I see him as
his authentic self and I'm not seeing him through myself
or my wounds, or even my desires and wants for him.
So using astrology has been a profound gift in my
life and I love being able to share that on
this show. And today we're gonna go deep. We have
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a really special show today with an incredible woman who
has been doing this work in such a multitude of
ways for decades. Dr Jennifer Freed has more than thirty
years as a depth psychologist, social emotional trainer, and astrologer.
She is an author and a certified E M d
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R Expert and a national consultant with a PhD in psychology.
In addition to her expertise as an astrologer, Dr Jennifer
Freed is here to show you how to decode and
tap into your gifts and this practical guide to life,
she explains how your astrological birth chart can point you
to the life you want and offer self assessments to
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pinpoint your most effective strategies. She has penned ten books
relating to personal growth. She has also been interviewed for
her expertise by The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Goop,
USA Today, and Vogue, among other Her newest book, A
Map to Your Soul, was published on October four by
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Goop and Rodale and it she offers practical exercises for
topics ranging from communications styles to creativity, home styles two
psychic development and health habits to belief systems. Dr Jennifer
Freed's most recent book before this one was A Personal
Faith that You Will Love called use your planets wisely.
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And the book that I'm really excited to dive in
with her today is called A Map to Your Soul
and its in stores now. Welcome to the show, Dr
Jennifer Freed. I couldn't be more happy to be here,
because what you're about, I'm about, and we women have
to support the change of consciousness rapidly. Thank you for
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starting the show like that. Gosh, I don't even know
where to begin be because I am truly When I
connected to your work, I was really inspired. Um, you know,
you started the show really talking about in the first
couple of seconds consciousness, the awakened path and connecting to
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my birth chart, specifically looking through it through a psychological lens.
Over the last decade had radically shifted my consciousness, changed
my life, and activated I think, the highest level of
my purpose. And so I cannot understate for myself and others,
um speaking of this on this show, how important this
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is and how necessary and beautiful and even romantic it
feels to get in touch with the truth of your
chart and your life. So I am just so honored
to have you more than you could really know. Well,
you just gave it the best description that helps me
(05:57):
educate other people, which is it is a role man's art.
People always want to make it a science to give
it credibility, but the deep feminine has always known that
science is just twelve hundred years behind validating what we
already know. And what we know is that we're cosmic citizens,
were humans wrapped around beautiful spirit, and we each have
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an incredibly magnificent role, if not roles, to play in
the evolution of consciousness and heaven on Earth. Let's get going,
people and the charts the way you can know what's
the lesson plan Let's get to it. Wow, Before I
get into your new book that is coming out, I
would love to start with Use your Planets Wisely. This
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has been such an important book for so many people.
You release it in the last two years, Using your
Planets Wisely, just to establish a baseline, Can you share
with the audience what that means. Yes, there are end
planets and chiron in everyone's birth chart. Everyone has them.
The chart is just a picture of the heavens at
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the moment you were born, where those planets were placed
in what signs. My book Use Your Planets Wisely, which
came out in is about you looking at each planet
in your chart and the sign it's in and learning
how to move from what I call a primitive level
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of applying that energy to an evolving level. It's so
important to know what is the baseline that we all
lapse into based out of fear and bad conditioning, but
what can we reach for? So, for example, what's your
sun sign? Will give an example. So I'm a Sun
and Moon Gemini and a Leo rising. Okay, let's take
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the Sun and Moon and Gemini. So the Sun is
your basic identity. Gemini is an air signed ruled by mercury.
When you are in your prey emitive mode, that particular
energy would be very distracted, disassociated, skitterish, not focused. But
when the Sun your basic identity is evolving in Gemini,
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it confers upon you with your own work, a eloquent
and masterful communicator. And so it doesn't mean you're not
gonna have those moments of being a ditzy, you know,
air airhead, but you can shift that the minute you
notice it. Right, you could notice, oh, I'm really kind
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of disconnected, disassociated and not very focused, and then you
can say, no, my art here on this planet, my
identity is an artful, eloquent, masterful communicator, and so clearly
that's what you're doing, and you just keep leaning toward
the evolving. Now, if we take your Leo rising and
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oh my god, are you beauti full. I've never met
you before, but you're just studying, and that's very good
with the Leo rising, because the rising sign is how
you appear to others, who they first meet when they
meet you, and Leo, the lion with the beautiful mane
of hair, is who we first meet when you're evolving.
Is this open hearted lionist who's there to just create
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more radical love on earth. So that's really working for you.
And then the Moon is your emotional needs. Everyone has
a moon sign. Yours is Gemini. When it's in its unskillful,
primitive place, your need is just to talk obsessively and
get them where you know, it's just like ruminating, ruminating person,
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most talkative and yeah, yeah, but when you're evolving, your
Moon and Gemini becomes the quintessential emotional communicator. You know
what you're feeling, you know how to describe it, You're
a great listener, and that emotional deep conversation is nurturing
for you and others. So that just breaks down how
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I look at it. The book use your planets wisely,
every single person can use that book to unpack how
to move from the primitive to the evolving in all
aspects of their chart. And then my new book, which
is already out number one in astrology, is called a
Map to Yourself. I know, I'm so yeah. I was
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just telling my partner today to work this hard on
something and have it really pay off in terms of results,
because you and I are both wanting the same thing.
Let's help people change the consciousness. And this book is
my love letter to all the people, whether they are
into a astrology or not. How do you become a
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fully expressed human being running on all cylinders? Because my
contention is if you are fully expressing all your gifts
and talents, you will inevitably help the world because that's
how energy flows. When I'm full, all I want to
do is help you and others. That's all I want
to do. You know, I love how you just expressed
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such beautiful things in the natural way. Everything that you
just shared was like ding ding ding ding ding. Um.
I'm I'm just so aligned with your work and you
know to think of I really believe in living my chart,
you know, and I think as as some people are
coming more into this world and kind of opening, especially
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you know, in in certain communities of culture, opening to
things that are ancient and began at the beginning of time,
but accepting them as useful tools now is some of
the hardship culturally. And when I first got acquainted with
my chart, I think I had my first reading at
nineteen and then you know, you forget You've got to
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have your Sadden return for most of it to kick in.
And by thirty I really started using my chart as
the guiding post of my purpose to help me learn
and understand, especially coming from a challenged background, how to
best use my gifts, how to find them. I found
that my chart gave me validation for parts of myself
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that I thought only I was experiencing, and it really
allowed me to bloom in the truth of who I
am outside of societal programming and outside of all of
the experiences that felt really complicated in my life. Um
So living my everything that you just shared, I was like, yeah,
when I you know, previously, if I was out of balance,
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it was like talk talk, talk, asked all the questions,
like really be the person controlling the conversation and dictating
where it went. And now I crave silence, but when
I do speak, I try to at my best, you know,
speak from a space of service to others, speaks from
a space of compassion and of knowledge. So hearing that
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it was really beautiful because I see that as well
in myself and in my chart with your that's so cool.
How did you first connect to your chart? Because your
background is utterly fascinating. You are like every single thing
a person would need to awaken, or every single thing
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a person would need in another person to awaken. Thank
you well, you know, as often as the case with
healers and teachers, I came to all of this because
I was hurt and wounded and traumatized. So my starting
with astrology and psychology was my own desperate plea to
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my soul to find a path through the trauma and
the hurt and the confusion. So my path started really
at eighteen and a half with astrology and ecology, and
I have been studying and practicing both ever since. And
then in the last twenty years, I created a nonprofit
with my partner and that nonprofit has been focused on
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helping young people, parents and educators learned social emotional skills.
So I've also become a national trainer and social emotional education.
So my three buckets, if you will, our astrology, psychology,
and then how to really work with social emotional issues
and bring them into a higher consciousness. UM. So that's
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my path, and you know it clearly was selfish. I
needed the healing, but because I was so so devoted
and committed to my own growth and healing and to
stop doing harmful things to myself and others, I do
feel like I've benefited beyond any imagined outcome from all
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of this help, and then I'm able to pass it
on to others. Mm hmm. Wow. That is so beautiful.
A word that came up for me a lot when
I was first really becoming acquainted with my chart and
also just my own depth of psychology. Was building spiritual
confidence is the terminology I used for myself, and I
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felt that working with my chart, really working with regulating
myself emotionally, it allowed me to build my spiritual confidence
so that I was able to be a lot more
trust with my life um, and a lot more trust
with the greater complexities of the life that we witness
and observe, all of us having, how do you navigate,
(15:43):
you know, working with the chart. There's so many different
styles of astrology and also really fascinating ways that a
lot of new healers and emerging healers are using astrology
and their work. What do you notice in terms of
kind of the world astrology or the collective astrology of
what we're seeing in this in this moment um, and
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how can we utilize that also with our individual astrology. Well,
that's a great question. I think that there's been an
enormous swing towards astrological knowledge in a time in which
the institutions of our world have failed us through racism, sexism, homophobia,
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all the rest of the isms. Astrology is thousands of
years old and never cared one way or another about hierarchy.
There is no better human, there is no top dog,
there is no make it to the top, and that's
the end all of your life. It's really about integration,
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and it's a cosmology that says everything belongs, everything belongs,
and so I belong. So I think a lot of
people have turned towards astrology because there's no organized religion
about it. And it's a great connecting tool, and it's
a self awareness tool, and it's readily available, and like
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any movement, it's an enormous movement. There are those people
that are taking it to extraordinary creative and imaginative places,
and there are other people that are exploiting it and
using it in all the wrong ways, which is stereotyping, reductionism,
more boxes, you know. But I think for the large part,
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it's given people a sense of we have a part
to play in this divine organistration. You call it spiritual confidence,
which I love and I'll borrow and in my book
and right now I'm going to name it spiritual agency.
We're in a divine partnership. People always ask me what
will happen? How will this turn out? And I say, well,
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how will it turn out? It's up to you, you know.
It's not like not like that, you know. I find
it so funny because like in a movie, you always
want to know how it's going to end, But somebody
wrote that movie. Humans forget. We're writing the movie called life.
There is no director writer out there like got the
punch line. We're doing it so people like you and
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people like me are writing a beautiful movie. Let's have
other people come see it. Let's have other people playing it.
I love the way that you just expressed all of that. Yeah,
we're co creators. Act like it. You know. If someone
sees their chart and you know, I think you've got
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to spend a lot of time with it to fall
in love with it. I think I'm the best signs ever, right,
I think I have like I'm like, oh, this is
the this is the dream chart. Um, Which is not
to say life hasn't been profoundly challenging, but where it's
guiding me, you know, as I stay aligned and on course,
I'm really excited about how my life can potentially on
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fold for those that may begin working with their chart.
Because something I do hear from a lot of listeners
to this show as sometimes when we explore this topic
is but it feels so negative. Right when they look
at astrology through a psychological lens, they just see they're
out of balanced self very often and the understanding that
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they can really evolve into more, but we have to
see what that baseline of where we're at now is.
I hear so often even from listeners in this show
that are inspired and excited about this path, saying oh,
but it's hard for me to really look at it
regularly because it feels negative. How can okay? Well? Two things.
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Two things. Any astrology that's spreading fear is not astrology.
You should pay attention to. Any astrology that's negatively framing
things not astrology you should pay attention to. There's a
lot of apps that get your attention by warning and scaring.
You know the best app that I've looked at this
Channi's app Channing Nicholas, and it's never negative, it's positive,
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it's purposeful. She's the real deal. Get that app. But look,
I have a hard chart, meaning some people have harder
charts than others. But there's nothing in my chart that
doesn't say, go, Jennifer. Go. All of its Christopher the Mill.
All of it's able to be turned and composted into
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gifts and shared experiences. So yes, you have to be
able to interpret what the complexes are like what was
I born with? Oh, I've got this difficulty and that difficulty,
but all of them can be elevated to actual rapturous
skills and gifts, all of them. So I want to
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say to your audience is ever listening. Don't ever listen
to anyone that's stopping at the limitation. The chart is
a portal to your magnificence, and every design the chart
is for you. Every design in the chart is for you.
None of it is to try to keep you down
or make your life more painful. It's all a lesson
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planned for your ultimate growth. Jennifer, Thank you, Thank you,
thank you. That sounded um, so purposeful, so beautiful, and
so tangible to really begin to explore this um with
all the gifts and benefits that are in it. Your
latest book, your number one bestseller, A Map to Your Soul.
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It was just released this past October. Everyone listening will
link to the episode in the body of the Summarine,
so you can click through to that right here on
the pod. Please walk me through this book, the second
tier on this beautiful exploration of self. Yes, and I
want to tell you because you're gonna be so into this.
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I have also this amazing oracular astrology yet coming out
in March that will blow you away. That has to
do everything with the transits and the aspects. By the
time you get I know you are just be on
the lookout in March, but that this book is really
a primer for everyone to look at their areas of
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life that are related to the astrological houses. There's twelve
and they pretty much cover all the parts of our lives.
But in each chapter you can dig in and start
to really realize where you could be more expressed, where
there's more space for your full bloom in every single
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aspect of your life. Your persona, your values, your communication patterns,
your home or shelter, your creativity, your love life, your health, habits,
your partnerships, your sex life, your beliefs, and even travel,
your friendships, what I call the sacred crew the most
important thing in so we should talk about that, and
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and the in the twelve house, you know spirituality and
psychic abilities. So the book covers all these twelve areas,
but gives readers an opportunity alone or with others to
truly start wondering where have I been blinded to another
part of myself that could emerge? And the book is
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so practical for people to start investigating with each other,
how can I become more of who I am? And
that's the whole point of the book, A fully expressed life.
M M M M you are speaking my sole language. Well,
Leo Rising, you just want to keep shining. You don't
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want to stop at any um stop sign. You want
to keep on the road of self discovery. Yes, the
guiding light. And anytime I don't do that, I suffer.
And every time I do do that, I bloom um yeah,
yeah and really powerful. So I want to talk about
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the Eleventh Chapter and the Sacred Crew because it's going
to be the most important part of our lives in
the next few years as the planet Pluto goes out
of Capricorn into Aquarius. In that's after sixteen years of
the organizations and institutions and money systems taking a massive hit,
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we go into this whole exploration of what it means
to be kinship, what it means to be affiliated, what
it means to be what I call the Sacred Crew.
And one of the things people forget all the time
to mention, and so I'm going to say it is
I wouldn't be here on this show with you. I
wouldn't have written eleven books in my life if it
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weren't for my Sacred Crew. They are the people that
have helped me become who I am. And the fallacy
of the rugged indivi visualist is what's really hurt so
many people because number one, it's not true nobody gets
there without a lot of support. But two, people actually
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think they should be shouldering everything and doing everything, and
if they aren't doing it themselves, they're weak or they're lazy.
Oh my god, I'd be so nowhere without my people,
I'd be nowhere. Yes, and coming into what are you?
What are you seeing? Sensing? How you know that saxteen year?
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You know you can see the turmoil, the turmoil we're
you know this the fall of and the winter into
January is going to be super tempestuous and difficult and
lots of radical shocks and surprises, and we're already having them.
It's not going to be any newer than this. But
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we're all facing like the recession and the global political strife,
and it's a lot of hearts stuff. Let's be real.
But my contention is if every single person decided to
put positive energy towards something in their life every single
day on this planet, we could shift it like this.
It could be a nightmare into a dream. And the
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dream I have by the time Pluto goes into Aquarius
is can we really wake out of the unconsciousness that
we're separate. If people really understood, even though you would
think getting the virus from a market in China, you
would realize we're also connected. But if we really got it,
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you could never act in a day harmfully toward another
because in fact it's you m So the Pluto and
Aquarius is we wake up to what we've sewed, but
we also wake up to the communities we built or
haven't built, and what are their core values? So I'm
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know my community the core values kindness. The core value
is generosity. The core value is protecting and providing for
the less fortunate. You know, you've got to really get
clear who are your people, what are they committed to?
And talk to your people about it, like, don't make
this a guessing game. You're around certain people in your life.
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Are they fountains of inspiration and support? Where are they
drains and dramas? I haven't got no room for the
drain and drama. I love the people, but I don't
need to invest in the Thank you for saying that,
the freedom. I wish you lasting peace, but I can't
keep spending my energetic currency here and it doesn't actually work.
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I mean, I'm I'm the most guilty of it. So
it's been a hard thing in my chart to let
go be the savior and the hero. It's never worked out.
But what I finally realized is there's so many growing
flowers I can be spreading my light to. Why would
I spend a minute trying to pull some weed out
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of the ground that doesn't actually want to go out? No,
let it grow focus elsewhere. I know that was a
breakthrough for someone listening to the show right now, stop
and rewind and listen to that again. Spend a little
time journaling to that thought. After Jennifer shared again, please
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I have to ask, while I have you so a
year that has been coming to me a lot as
kind of being able to get the closest to normal
as whatever that means, but the closest to not constantly overstimulated.
I've been getting a lot around astrologically. Really Okay, yeah, yeah,
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Well just here's the thing, and this is the important part.
There is a calmer kind of cosmic astrology at the
end of but it also is the consequence of whatever
our actions have been, how calm or relaxing or stabilizing
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that can be so I would say, if you knew
that the results of your actions will lead to a
cosmic shift that we could all enjoy in what would
you do full on every day if you knew you
were the lynchpin, you were the cause, you were the
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one that was going to make this a real turn
towards some equity for people and love, consciousness, spreading and awakening.
Like I want to tell every audience member that's listening,
believe it or not, in your fingertips is a spark
that could be the one spark that makes it it?
(29:59):
Can he just love fest mm hmmm mmm mmm, Please
everyone ignite your spark. Ah. I am really excited to
um continue to unpack this book to share it. It
is in stores now. A map to your soul. And
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I'm really looking forward to your Oracle Deck. I uh,
it is so much fun to get in there and
to just see your own self and your own inner
wisdom and in our authority come to life. You're using
gorgeous tools like that. And also the reason I did
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the deck that was really thirty years of work. So
I think you're gonna love it. But I think the
reason I did the Deck and these two books is
because you know, we really have been given a secret
code to living a really great life. It's an amazing
thing in this bizarrely chaotic creation that we've been given
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this code of how to actually awaken and how to
be part of an animated cosmos, and how to know
ourselves as beloved we This language leads to that. And
so I think when people take the time to meditate
on this code, at least for me because I've been
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forty years into it, I get secrets all the time,
like little whispers from the heavens. Oh, Jennifer, have you
thought about this? What about that? Oh? What about that?
Leo rising? Maybe it would look like this, and it's
like whispers from the cosmos, your own personal romance with
the cosmos. I just think people should really realize that
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this is a toolbox that's just free. You know. It's amazing.
H It has been a me having you on this show.
Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so
much for sharing this deep wisdom, in this gorgeous perspective
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and language with my audience. Dr Jennifer Freed A Map
to Your Soul, Her latest book by Goop and Rodale
is in stores right now and please as you're adding
things to cart, check out the previous book that released
in Use your planets wisely and just have fun. Expand
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over this next year, diving into yourself with these gorgeous tools,
loving on your chart, letting your chart love on you,
and then live your chart, live for heighst alignment, live
your healing, live your wisdom. Thank you so much. I
think that you know you've done the work. You shine.
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You're a beacon, and I know that we have to
lift each other up. And I want you to know
I believe in you. I'm here for you. I deeply
feel that, and I've really received that. Thank you. Actually,
I have one more question before you go. I could
have a couple of a couple of minutes. It came
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to me one of the things that you speak to
is compatibility, like cosmic compatibility. Something that has been really
fun for me and friends who are also awakening or
on this path already is looking at, you know, kind
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of our synastry, like looking at the ways that we
compare and meet one another in this life. And it's
been really gorgeous when especially those I'm closest to that
are part of my sacred crew, we are clearly seeing
the past life connections in our chart. We're clearly seeing
the unified mission that we shared, and we're even seeing
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some very similar challenges at ages and times we didn't
know each other that we were going throughout the same
time to awaken us to the current version of ourselves.
It's been absolutely gorgeous. It's something with everyone that works
for my company. I have everyone's chart. We look at
it for working styles and compatibility. Um. And absolutely I'm
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not dating someone without seeing their chart. Won't do it.
We're definitely not going to be in partnership if I
don't know what that's looking like. UM. So I would
just like love your thoughts on some of that cosmic
compatibility and how that can be really useful when we
think about friendship, love, partnership and even look at because
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studying my ex husband's chart with such a freeing gift
for me on my path, um, that allowed me to
come into a space of such beautiful compassion for our journey. UM.
And so just any thoughts you have to share around that, Well,
I think you've said all the hind notes, but I'm
going to confirm, Um, I don't know what I would
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do without knowing my loved one's charts and my family
members charts because you get a peek into everything about
them and then you see the intersection of your chart
with their chart, and that intersection tells you one of
two things, what your karma is going to be with
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each other, like what you're working out, and two where
you can really fly and really support each other. And I,
as a psychologist, have done the Meyer's HIGs and have
done other reality inventories. There is nothing more specific and
helpful than astrology. And for me, you know, I've been
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very close to some family members and others know to
understand the chart connection with the ones especially I'm not
close to, and get a more objective look at what
it is that creates the friction and not take it personally.
This is a godsend. So to me, you've got to
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know enough astrology to really look at what is called
the sinistry between the two charts. But in my book,
that's the best investment you could ever do with a company,
that you could ever do with a family. I do
family readings, I do couples readings. This is like Paiger
when people really get it. Oh, that's why when you
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go in the closet and cry instead of come out
and have me hold you. You know, scorpion, I'm just
saying I didd one of those. They're all good. Let
me say everything is good. You just gotta know what
what's the what's the emotional roadmap that you're dealing with,
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because so much of what goes wrong in relationships is
people are projecting their own chart onto that person and
going why can't you do it? More like me is
if you really get the beauty of each person's sovereign chart,
you're not trying to change them, You're just trying to
understand them, and you can find in roads like my
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partner's triple water. I'm a lot of fire and air.
Twenty six years of this, we've had to have so
many conversations about our charts because we approached things so differently,
which is beautiful, but it's sometimes a real workout. Uh
thank you for that deep dive that is so gorgeous
and when I tell you, it is the most most
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most everyone useful tool I had. There was a challenging
friendship in my life where we just knew really loved
each other as friends, but we could not There was
so much unspoken tension that neither of us fully understood,
and I, you know, we both sat down, um an
app that I personally love is the pattern, and you
(37:55):
can run your bonds and yes, oh super good. Shout
out to Lisa of a dear friend you put when
you put your charts together. She and I went through
it and we were able to see, oh, this person
triggers you this way, this person triggers you that way,
and then we were able to talk through what that
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felt like to each of us on opposing roles, and
it freed us in such an incredible way. That really
allowed me to stop feeling so irritated when I felt
that I was being kind of pressed up upon, and
to be able to see my dear friend in such
a new light and really understand her unique sovereign journey
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and not try to step on it, to just be
able to let both of us be ourselves and say,
feeling a little tension doesn't mean that something's wrong or
needs to be solved. This is just growth. Tension is
growth opportunity. And I think there's a saying in social
emotional work name it attainment. If you can make something conscious,
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it doesn't become your fate like we'll not conscious of
the tension or what the particular problem is we acted out.
But if I say to you, for example, your Mars
is on my moon, Like, let's say your Mars is
conjunct my moon, which it isn't, but let's say it was.
No matter what I feel like when you're around me,
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you're aggressive. That's just the way that occurs. Now, if
we can name that, like, gosh, you know, I don't
know what it is, but when you walk in the room,
I feel like aggressions walked in, then we can talk
about it, we can joke about it, we can detach
from our reactions to it. I just think that you're
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doing remarkable work to do this with your company and
your staff. I would recommend we did it at our
nonprofit with at least ten people. And it is hilarious
because we all started yeah, yeah, that that's the way
that shows up, and we make fun of ourselves and
we laugh instead of crying. Yes, right, this divine comic
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comedic tragedy. Yes, they Yeah. It's something that a few
of my friends always bring up. Um my my uh,
my venus is in Taurus, and so that's always a
point that friends bring up to me with a little
bit of laughter. When they see me in the world,
they're like, oh, there goes your Venus and taurists. I
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want to know how that shows up, because, by the way,
it's one of my favorite venus. So I want to
hear what they're joking with you about, because Venus is
exalted in Taurus. I bet you can. Can you tell
me about this? Okay? Well, venus Aphrodity likes to be
in Libra and Taurusts because she the goddess of beauty
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and she the goddess of material savoring and ep Curian delights,
likes to be in the luscious, sensual um sign of Taurusts.
It's an earthy, sensual, slow moving, gorgeous let's devour and enjoy,
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you know, the materials of life and beauty. I love
Venus and tourists crazy for it. Well, how does it
show up with you in every way that you just
express Like the way that my friends joked with me.
One of my good girlfriends especially, she's always like, God,
you're just so romantic with yourself. You live life in
such a romantic way, and I do. I love to
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save her. You know, a lot of friends tell me.
I have a very epicurean vocabulary. Things are really yummy
to me, nourishing, like there you go, that's actually and
put a lot of oils on your body and take
long showers and bath and like this. You know. Yeah,
by the way, I want to say something at this moment.
One of my dearest friends, one of the greatest energy
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healers I know. Um, she has a line of oor
sprays because her venus is a Taurus and she makes
these are sprays. It's called Sweet Soul Sister or a
sprays that you, as venus and Taurus, will go mad
about because not only are the best products I've ever used,
but she makes them gorgeous because she has Venus and Taurus.
So she makes no money on this because her packaging
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her so mean, Oh my god, right, thank you for that.
I also have an energy healer, so this is so aligned.
I got these our sprays. I'd like to live on
live on that because she reminds me of you and
that you know, she loves the beauty and the beautiful clothes,
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and then she makes her products like like as if
they're going to the queen. You know, you know, I
don't have im Venus in Aquarius. So I appreciate you all,
but I don't know one thing. It's like I am
the queen of baths and something that a lot of
listeners will connect to and hearing this is I always
tell everyone use the whole bags. This like, if you
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run yourself a beautiful, warm bath, it's don't scoop it.
You use the entire bag, dump it in. You know,
I'm like, I expect a fense to spend like fifteen
dollars per bath because I am working it like it's
I'm cooking on the stove. You know, I'm about to
submerge myself in healing and beauty and nourishment. Well, let's
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be real. Venus and Taurus ain't never cheat. Guess what,
that's the goddess return to Earth. So we've got to
revere this Venus and Taurus. She is Sophia, the goddess
of the embodied sensual beauty. To go to that, Dr Jennifer,
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what I mean, just what a complete gift you are
to Earth. Thank you so much for your work, thank
you for this conversation, thank you for answering your hall.
Thank you for being a lighthouse to others and in
many times that probably it was so hard to be
that deeply conscious mind and an even more than now
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unconscious world. I'm just so grateful. Well, I have two
things to add. One, go to Jennifer free dot com
because when you buy the book through me, you get
a lot of free gifts. Secondly, thank you. I really
felt that you give love very well. You're a good
love giver. What an amazing episode. Thank you for joining
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a little soul work for today. If you have not yet,
but I'm sure if you're listening to this show you
probably have. But if you haven't yet, take some time
as you're able and really either connect more deeply with
your birth chart, just spend some time observing it and
maybe noticing areas you don't normally focus on, or if
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you haven't done this yet, please create a plan to
get your birth chart figured out. What you'll need is
your birthdate, your birth time, the exact time you were born.
This piece is highly important. Your birth location. Now if
because of certain circumstances that is not easily possible, that
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can be challenging. Sometimes you can find an expert astrologer
that can find other ways with clues to figure that
out for you. Or you can always UM if you're
able and have use of where you were born, if
you know the hospital you were born, in the city
you were born in, but maybe not the time, maybe
you don't have your birth certificate. You can reach out
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to the Birth Certificate Office. I think it's the Hall
of Records and you can request one UM. So if
you don't have yours, please don't give up hope. There
are a few things that may take an extra step
to get connected to it, but it could really radically
change your life and once you have it, you'll always
have it. So highly recommend that spend some time and
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thought you know your signs about the way that things
are showing up for you in this moment. And one
of the things that Dr Jennifer spoke to on this
show was around the fact that when we've read some
parts of our chart, it may highlight what we may
be like when we are out of balance or when
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we're not in our healing. But really look to say,
what are some choices I can make that can shift
that for me? Now, what is another way of looking
at this moment? What is another way of alcomizing this
moment or becoming a creator in this moment for that,
so I hope you'll take some time to do that.
Thank you for listening, and please share this episode with
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a friend, and don't forget to rate and review. Go
to the Apple store. I love reading your beautiful expansive shares,
highly descriptive shares you've been leading in there. I'm really
grateful for that insight. Big love you one day. Hey
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