Dial 988 • EP316 w/Colin Fickes

Joy, Hilarie and Sophia recap one of the most pivotal episodes of One Tree Hill - “With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept.” As emotional as the episode that aired was, what went on behind the scenes was impossible to describe, until now. 

The Drama Queens are joined by Colin Fickes who played Jimmy Edwards as they discuss the powerful making of the show and what it meant on a larger, real-life scale.

So much we didn’t know and a reminder of things we need to remember...It’s truly an episode you won’t want to miss.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:20):
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(00:41):
This episode deals with the topics of depression and suicide.
If you are someone you know is suffering, please call
the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by dialing eight. Hey, guys,
we're not even gonna try to hide the emotions in
this one. Um This week, we're watching season three, episode

(01:04):
sixteen with tired eyes, tired minds, tired souls. We slept.
You might remember that this aired March one of two
thousand six and three. Sixteen is the episode where a
regular school day at tree Hill High turns incredibly dangerous

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and into a tragedy because Jimmy Edwards brings a gun
to school and we're all a mess. And we've been
reading a lot of your messages and I think what's
struck the three of us so much is that a
lot of you have written about how you've rewatched this

(01:46):
show so many times before we started our podcast, and
that very often you all skipped this episode. Yeah, and
I kind of wish we could have skipped this episode.
Glad we're going to talk about it. I am too,
first and foremost. I love you guys, And yeah, I'm

(02:08):
having trouble like making eye contact because I just need to.
I don't want to do it. So um, here's what
I want to say though, before we bring in our
guests today, because they're really lucky that we have a
fabulous guests today. We'll bring them in very soon. Um.
As the mother of a boy, m hm, this is

(02:32):
something that has troubled me since the moment he was born.
And years after we shot this episode, in two thousand ten,
a book came out called Columbine, and it was written
by one of the first journalists who arrived on that scene.

(02:55):
He helped perpetuate the myth that it was the loners
and the kids that were bullied, that we're committing these crimes.
And then he spent the last the ten years after
that undoing it as he learned more about the voice
that that did Columbine. And as a mother, it was

(03:17):
really important to me to learn more about that kind
of anger. Um, that kind of behavior with the warning
signs are And so we as the first generation of
people who lived through Columbine. I was a sophie and

(03:37):
I were juniors when it happened. Joy, you were senior.
You know. It happened while we were in high school,
and UM, I think it's safe to say it affected
all of us a lot. And now we're parents, and
what are we going to do about it? You know?
That's what's really um heavy, is that I think when

(04:00):
we were teenagers, we thought the grown ups would fix it,
and here we are the grown ups and we're still
dealing with it. And I wish we'd known when we
filmed this episode what we have come to know about
how these situations get built up. UM. But I think

(04:24):
the reactions the same, you know, I don't. I think
we've learned a lot about the kinds of people who
who perpetrate these crimes. It's not the Trench Code mafia.
It's not my friends who were the goth kids. It's
not even the bullied kids. It's the radicalized, misogynistic kids
who are engaged in forms of domestic violence. Um, there
are red flags. And so Colin did a wonderful job

(04:50):
with with the information we had at the time. Um,
he did such a beautiful job with what was written.
And he the human as the person suffering, and it's
it's an incredible skill as a performer to play someone
who could be put in the category of villain at

(05:11):
a level like this. You know, someone who shoots up
a school and I don't know if it was happenstance
are intentional that they did make him such a different character,
you know, they made him a kid with a handgun
who fired a warning shot. They made him that he

(05:32):
isn't one of the kids who does this. And you're right,
it's incredibly important that as we have all the information
we have, we talk about, you know, the grooming by
violent extremist groups of young boys in this country online,
and that we didn't know any of that then, that
didn't that didn't exist in our awareness then, and there

(05:55):
is a part of me that wonders if, and I'm
only realizing I wish we could ask the writers in
this moment, if if for some of the reasons or
some of the understanding that we didn't know why kids
were carrying assault rifles in the high schools, is that
why they wrote Jimmy to be different? Is that why
they wrote this differently? Is that why they humanized every

(06:20):
single person in that tutor center in the way that
they did. I don't know the answers, but um, I
do think to your point, Oh, it's incredibly important that
we we get clear on what we know about how
this happens while we also go through the emotions of

(06:40):
experiencing something like this together. That was rough, It was
so hard to watch, and so I was so blown
away by Colin's performance. Um that moment when he fired
the first shot and his eyes went wide, he was
just so shocked his own behavior, what he was keeping.

(07:05):
He was scared, but he was scared. But it's like
once you once you make that choice, any choice in
life that is um wrong, but you do it, and
then you have to decide whether you're going to double
down or quickly say WHOA, this is wrong. I'm I'm

(07:30):
backing out, and very rarely, I think too people back out.
Um and then you know, to watch it all just
continue to snowball down. As he continued to fall down
into this pit of despair, it was hard. Do you
guys remember when we got the script? Like Joy, you

(07:53):
were the one in the classroom with Jimmy, Do you
remember getting the script for this? I don't remember getting
the script. I wish I did. I just remember being
really mad because I did not want to do this.
Like I've always really believed in the power of words
and the power of suggestion, and the more you talk

(08:13):
about something, the more it happens. And that was my
mindset in my early twenties, like why are we even
bringing this up? Why are we planting this scene? I mean,
here we are, almost twenty years later, and the ship
just keeps happening no matter how much we talk about it.
I remember getting the script, and I remember they printed
it all on red pages so it couldn't be copied

(08:35):
or leaked or anything. And you know, hill to your
point about Columbine, I like I had to go be
by myself for a while after I read this because
it took me back to junior year and Mr. Hollman's
science class. One of my best friends from growing up
lived in Colorado starting in high school and for the

(08:58):
first I think it was like an hour and we
heard there was a school shooting in Colorado. Nobody, nobody
knew where or at least we couldn't get information in
our class, like nobody had iPhones, you couldn't. And we
were teenagers and it's not like they put the news
on in school and we were just waiting. And I
remember thinking like, what if it's her school? And this

(09:25):
script really brought that home, like, oh, this this We
now are tasked with representing the people who say today
it's my school, and it's it was hard. I mean,
this this stuff is it's hard to know. You know.

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They said, well, if we're going to go out, let's
let's tell the truest story we know. And there's the
reality of why are we going to put this on TV?
And there's there's so many things that are true at
the same time. We need to examine this and are
we setting are we putting this in someone's mind and
are we going to traumatize people or are we going

(10:11):
to educate people or it's so big and it felt
like an education to me. I thought it was so
beautifully done. I mean the things that were said, mouth
is Mouth's speech beautiful, incredible. Um, the whole conversation was
had from all angles, and I loved that that they

(10:34):
everyone addressed all of their feelings and fears and it
was just all laid out in the open. And um,
I thought it was done really, really well. And that's
really on Colin. I mean, he grounded this episode. I

(10:55):
can't imagine being handed this script as him. Yeah, bring
him in. Where's our friend? Guys, were so lucky that
Colin is joining us today. There's no way we could
have this conversation without him. Um, So Colin Fickis is
here to join us our very own Jimmy Edwards, the

(11:16):
most beloved bad guy in the history of One Tree Home.
He's not a bad kid. He's not a bad kid.
He's a good kid. I miss you. I'm the waves
in Zu Colin. You look great. It's great to see
you're the one. You're absolutely the fun one. And we

(11:40):
have to talk about dark with you, and that that's hard.
So we can do it. We can do it. We
can do hard things right right. Where are you right now?
Are you in the city, in the city, Yeah, I'm
in We have an apartment in the city, and then
I am moving up state from my job. You are
house yester day, So lots of things happening. Good to

(12:03):
see you all, see you. Um, Colin, did you watch
the episode or was it too hard to? I did,
but I also fast forwarded song because I was just like,
it's yeah, I think about the Paul Thomas Anderson quote
from Magnolia a lot like you maybe through with the past,
but the past is not through with you. I mean
that's fairly relevant for what we're doing here. But um,

(12:25):
I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to watch, very hard
to watch. Well, so you were amazing. Let's talk about
your experience on the show though, because I think that
did play a part in kind of how this all
came full circle. Um. You know, we've definitely talked about
things that have gone on behind the scenes on One
Tree Hill, and I know that you were not treated

(12:48):
well behind the scenes. Um yeah, well yeah, and I
don't want to talk negatively, but yeah, I mean it
wasn't it wasn't the most ideal thing that happened. Um,
I know we have a limited amount of time, but um,
I wanted to audition in l A. I've been living
in l A for several years already. I lived in
New York for three years. Um, and so I kind

(13:10):
of branched out from North Carolina. I'm originally from Raleigh,
North Carolina, and so growing up I would go to
drive two hours to Limingtoln for auditions. I knew Lee
Norris as a kid. We would audition together sometimes, so
we kind of already had that relationship. And I know
they were already eyeing him for the for the role
of Mouth, and I was like, hey, guys, I'd love
to be a part of it. Can I audition in

(13:30):
l A? Because I had other friends audition in l A?
And they were like, this is a local hire. And
then I was like, well, you know, can I please
audition in l A? And um, you know I live
here and I think that might be tough to do.
And then um, they finally granted me an audition in
l A. And um, They're like Nope, nope, not right
for the part. And then um, thinking and and associates,

(13:55):
the casting agents in North Carolina were huge champions of
mine and they're amazing and they're like, we prom to
see you. He's right, he knows Lee. Um, just you know,
give him another chance. And so then on my own time,
I went to North Carolina and did the exact same
audition I did in the room in l A. And
they're like, you got the job, kid, and uh and
and then I ended up having you know, to you know,

(14:16):
get myself to North Carolina. I was paying for an
apartment in North Carolina. I was also at my place
in l A. And so what happened is I ended
up leaving the show because I couldn't afford to stay. Um.
And I noticed in the second and third episode, as
scripts were you know, getting revised, we were getting or
at least my part was getting smaller and smaller and smaller,
and working one day at for every two weeks or

(14:37):
whatever it was. I couldn't make it work. Um. And
so I didn't want to leave, but um, you know,
it was hard. And then you have the creator saying
things like the studio they only want the pretty people,
and I'm really trying to fight for you all. And
then I felt bad for leaving because I knew he
was trying to fight and fight for me to stay,
and um, so it was difficult and I didn't want

(14:59):
to leave. But also in hindsight, I mean, it's the
most amazing thing because I always wanted to be this
dramatic actor. I wanted to be like the next Philip
stem More Hoffman. That was like my dream, and had
done some indie movies and like I wanted to do
like drama and so to get to come back and
do this was so much fun, as hard as it was,
but you know, so like, yeah, that was that was well,

(15:21):
it feels meta. It feels like Jimmy Edward was left
behind by the group in season one only to like
become this big deal in our season three storyline and
behind the scenes, our show loved taking things that were
happening in real life and kind of utilizing them on screen.

(15:42):
And so it you know, that was that was your
story and Jimmy story of we're going to leave you behind,
but then we're gonna bring you back in like huge fashion. Um, Meanwhile,
how did they know you were such a good dramatic actor,
Because Colin, there's no one else could have done this.

(16:03):
They trusted you with this entire episode which was so.
I mean, it was all resting on you. If you
didn't pull that off, it wouldn't have worked. I don't
know where that trust came from. I really don't, because
I'm trying to think how I've done anything at that point,
um where they would have seen that, I'm not sure.
I guess they took a big chance on me. And
it's so funny too how it happened. My friend kill
Venture was at a bar in l A and met

(16:25):
one of the writers, I think, and she calls me
and she's like, I met this dude that's a writer
on Winter Hill. He says, you're gonna be back on
the show, and I was like, I haven't heard anything.
I was like, I don't think so. I don't even
ended well when I left. And then a couple of
weeks later, I got a call and the creator wanted
to have me in the office at the Warner Brothers lot.
And as I'm walking through the offices, I see the

(16:47):
white boards of all the story progression and I see
Jimmy Edwards, Jimmy Edwards, and I'm like, what is happened
the idea? And I obviously was like absolutely so, because yeah,
actors want to work, and um, you know I wanted
to do the dramatic things as well. Um, so it
worked out. How how did you begin to prepare for

(17:12):
something like this, because you know we've all been talking
about everything shifted so dramatically, you know in the late
nineties when Columbine happened. I mean it literally it changed
all of us, It changed our country. And yeah, I
don't know. I just think, at least for me, had

(17:33):
I been in your position receiving that script, I know
I would have panicked. You know this, this is big?
So how do you begin to even make sense of it?
Because watching it back, we watched you so closely, and
every choice you made, every everything you put under, the

(17:56):
words and and the sensitivity and the both and the
rage and the shame and the fear. It's it's just
so present, alive on screen and on your face. And
maybe it's a defense mechanism because the emotional stuff makes
me so hysterically when we talk about it. So I'm like,
talk to me about true craft truly? How How did

(18:22):
how did you begin to figure out how to make
this true? For Jimmy, Um, it was less about what
he does and more about what he feels. I like,
all I could think about was what would get someone
to get to this what would call someone to get
to this place? Um? And so I started there. Um.

(18:43):
And then obviously once I got the script, which everyone
else had read the damn thing before I got it.
Really it was days. I had days, what days, I
think maybe five five days to start, you know, going.
And I remember Hillary, I passed you at base camp
and now You're like, have you read it? You know?
And I'm like, no, I have, didn't you know? It's ready?

(19:06):
And um, So I literally locked myself in a hotel
room and God bless my mom who would just come
with me as she sat with me in that hotel
room and ran those scenes non stop. That's all I did.
I just stayed within that hotel room for several days
and learned it. And you know, I grew up doing theaters,

(19:27):
so it was like I just sat there and just
absorbed it all and was trying to just find all
of the things in the script. And um. But yeah,
I mean, you think about all the times we've all
felt like him, We've all felt excluded or not right
or um, you know, sad, lonely. I mean, all the
descriptive words you can think of. We all go through phases.

(19:47):
I think his obviously more intense. Um. But yeah, I
mean that's that's kind of how I started. If that
makes I don't know, I'm rambling. I remember being in
that room with you and that you were that we
were all so impressed with how I mean you knew
every word, you knew it, you knew it all. I didn't.
I didn't want to waste time. And I know when

(20:08):
a crew members one in the morning and they're wanting
to go home and sleep, I was like, I'm going
to know all of these loves. I mean, we all
had the patience, we had, we all were ready to
for I think none none of us knew really what
to expect when we walked in that day, I mean
other than what was on the page. But um, everyone
was ready. I mean everyone was so everyone showed up

(20:32):
and joy I loved being in that tutor was the
tutor room with with you because I just remember locking
in with you a lot during that and so it
was nice because those were long days. I remember losing
that voice because we were we were somewhat shooting in order,
and I learned so much as an actor doing it

(20:52):
because I was like, don't you know, don't blow it
all in the first take. You got to kind of
have reserves and say, you know, you're even contemplating. I
lost my voice. They were gonna give me like a
shot in my neck or something that was gonna like
get my voice. My gosh, wait, I remember I remember
hearing something about this team and then I was taking
like Sarah flu to try to get my voice better.

(21:13):
Even this is t m I, but I threw up
the very opening scene with the cigarette I guess from
it was early in the morning when we were shooting it,
and that the therapy flu or whatever. I like. I
totally calling this sounds a miserable experience. You know, normally
on set you have the levity, you have the relief
of the levity between scenes and the you know, just

(21:34):
kind of hanging around shooting the ship thing. But that
was not None of us had that for this episode
at all. There was no relief. It was relentless, and
I think it worked for us performance wise, but it
was it was exhausting, and I'm so glad that we
all had each other and that, you know, a that
you were so prepared and so ready and vulnerable and
ready to do you know, whatever it took, and it

(21:56):
really set an example for for everybody to to show
up in this way and just everyone. I think, you know,
acting is not just one person, it's the whole the
whole time. Speaking of I will say I was so
amazed that Sophia, you and Lee came back to set.
I think, Hillary, you're already there, and so like from

(22:16):
the last shot, I just have to say it, like
y'all came back and it was like, it was so amazing. Joy.
You were probably exhausted and because many crazy scenes, but
I just remember that and it's it really is those
little things that like really make it all count. But
I was going to quickly say when we rehearsed the
I wore a bulletproof vest and there was a blank

(22:37):
in the gun and we actually apparently from what I heard,
the props master whoever it was, told me that we
rehearsed that on the same sale stage that Brendan Lee
was shot. And really, yeah, it was super creepy. It
was like really heavy. And then I don't know if
you've ever done that in a scene, but I couldn't sleep.
I kept thinking I was dead that night, Like I
was choking. It was so crazy. And I'm not a

(23:00):
method actor by any means, but like it was, it
was a mind trip for sure, that it was just
so intense where you went and in the in that
last scene. I remember watching it at the time coming back,
and I remember watching it when it aired, and and

(23:22):
even watching it today, it's like I have such visceral
sense memory of um, what it felt like like watching
the way that you were beating your chest. Did this
like it broke my heart and again just what you

(23:47):
brought to it. There was something really incredible, even as
a viewer about being in that tutor center with you all,
because they gave us our core team, and then they
gave us the newer characters, you know, Rachel being the

(24:08):
newest sort of main person, and then the jock kid
whose mom calls an abbey you who's a diabetic. Such
a beautiful actor, and and everyone's experiences are represented. Everyone
gets to voice how they might be a stereotype, that
they also have their own experience. Nobody sees. And I

(24:30):
remember while we watched it what minutes ago now thinking wow,
they did this thing where everyone's telling the truth even
though their truths are different, and and you just brought
it over and over and over again, and yeah, I
even then it it felt like something so important to witness,

(24:55):
and it feels so important too to witness it again.
And I'm just and why is it happening? Why does
it still happen? That is the thing that really was
difficult for me and watching this, because I feel like
the goal when we made this episode, like what was
our goal? Let's think about that? Was it too educate

(25:19):
grown ups are kids. There's a parental advisory at the
beginning of the episode, and when we first started watching,
I was struck by that, like, oh, there's a parental advisory, like,
you know, make sure you watch this with a parent.
And as I continued to watch the episode, it felt
more like there shouldn't be a parental advisory to protect
the kids, Like why why are we placing all this

(25:40):
blame on the kids. It's not the bullying, it's not
it's not these things that we blamed it on in
two thousand six, whenever this aired. We know that the
factors that lead up to this are different now because
we have the data, we have the research, we have
decades of information there'sould have been a parental like mandatory viewing,

(26:02):
like hey, kids, go get your parents, Go get the
person in your household the votes, Go get the person
in your household that's supposed to be watching what you
do online. You know, Like how I read the discretion. Actually,
when I saw a parental discretion advised, I thought that
maybe I read it the wrong way. But my I
was like, oh, this means that you should be having

(26:24):
a conversation with your kids about this. That's what they're
trying to say. Go go pull the grown up into
the room, because I don't I don't know. Yeah, it's true,
because parents need. Look, I think it's hard for any
of us to admit some of the more nefarious things
in the world. It's very hard to reconcile with the

(26:46):
fact that there are you know, pro domestic violence and
white supremacist terrorists, organizations that are grooming boys online. That's
really hard. Like it's much easier to say, if I
teach my kid to be nice, maybe this will be different.
It's it's hard to look at something so large and

(27:09):
and societal. And interestingly, what I thought the writers did
very beautifully was they really made you feel for for
Jimmy and calling. You did that as an actor. You
made us feel for this person who said all my
days have been bad, and you realize Rachel's right when
she says it's just seven d days, and Keith is

(27:29):
right when he says it gets better when you leave here.
Like none of the none of those people ever fit in,
and they will come magic because of it. It's all true,
and it's true that people need to feel looked out for,
and and something I'll never forget that really helped me

(27:51):
see that all of these things can be true. At
the same time, after the the Parkland shooting at Marjory
Stone and Doug, this one of the young women, Emma
who's become, you know, a huge leader in the in
the movement of kids against violence like this said, don't
tell me as a young girl it was my responsibility
to be nicer to my abuser. And I was like, oh,

(28:15):
say it again, young lady, And she's not wrong. You
know you shouldn't put vulnerable people in harm's way, um
and say, yeah, I know that person is violent and scary,
but just be even nicer to them. And it's important,
you know, Joy, you said something a couple of weeks
ago about how you always encourage your daughter. She sees
someone who's alone and like, look scared to go say

(28:37):
hi to them during lunch, and that is so important
and and also knowing, like something else I talked to
her about is my mother always taught me as if
somebody is bullying you, it's because that's happening to them
at home. And so it's not that you have to
turn around and in kind you don't retaliate. You don't
necessarily have to have lunch at them, like not everyone's

(28:59):
going to be the over yeah, right, but but but
you could if you if you felt called to do so.
But um, so it is. It's exactly what you're saying, Sophia.
It's so beautifully said that so many things can be
true at the same time, and it's so calm, And
that's why I feel like these are the conversations we
need kids to be having with their parents. And he says, kids,

(29:19):
you want kids to feel safe enough. This is what
I've actually just learned as a human being. People can't
help you until you vocalize and ask, oh my god,
say that again. You really, you really you think it
in your head and you feel like somehow, but you've
that the world knows what you need as a person,
you know, in love and in life and in work

(29:40):
and whatever. But until you vocalize it and really say
it like, no one can help you. And so I
hope it's for kids to be like, I need to
speak up. This is how I'm feeling good or bad,
and open dialogue. But also I have to say to
this relates back to this show and what you ladies
went through. How many other and I don't want to

(30:01):
you know, how many other powerful it's not just the creator.
How many other people were there and hurt things and
saw things and just yeah, yeah, you know you look
at Trump as well. How many other white men in
power could have done something? Yeah, I want to give
you all the snaps. Well, enablers feel sometimes more dangerous

(30:24):
than the perpetrator because there's more of them, and enablers
normalize things and they gaslight you and make you feel like,
wait a second, I'm hurting? Am I the problem? It's Colin.
Losing Jimmy in this episode, UM was difficult for me
because it meant that we lost you, you know. There

(30:46):
until until Jimmy dies, there was always this hope, like
Oh yeah, Colin's going to come back and be full
time again. You know, like it wasn't always wanted to
be on the show. I never wanted to leave. I know,
you didn't know it, just know that the behind the
scenes politics was bad. And so to lose you permanently
after just losing Cheryl Lee permanently like season three is

(31:09):
just like evil losing you guys. But no, but let's
talk about what the fallout from this episode was, because
I remember being very nervous that this was going to
air for probably very different reasons than you remember that,
you know, like, how did the world react to you

(31:30):
in this episode? Um? You know what's funny my sister
when she she came down for like one of the
final days, and she was like, a lot of people
are going to see this, and I, for some dumb reason,
I guess I was just trying to learn the lines
in time. I wasn't even thinking about after. I was

(31:50):
just trying to get to that finish line of like
being the show up and do my job. And then
so my sister, Emery Holt had said, you know, this
is going to be a lot of people are gonna
see this, and it's it's gonna be crazy. And um,
all the responses have been amazing. I mean I was
getting famil for a while from all over the world.

(32:11):
People were telling me stories of times they almost committed suicide.
I must see them stop. Um, times they felt lonely
and they've done all this inner work and like learning.
You know. Um, it had an impact and I know
that for sure, and so I know it sounds cliche,
but the whole thing of if one person is affected,
and but it is true. And so it's been pretty amazing.

(32:33):
There was one thing that was hilarious I'll never forget.
I was like at the coffee being a te leaf
in l A a couple of months after I guess
it aired, and I walk up and this girl was like,
you on on trel you were so funny. But I
had forgotten that. I guess there was funny stuff in
the beginning. Yeah, that's what she was referencing. And and
then everyone's like, you killed Peyton, and I'm like, I

(32:55):
just shot her in the leg. I didn't kill it.
I don't know. It was interesting. Yeah, I mean it's
still even at forty two, it's like people remember it,
people talk about it. Yeah, It's definitely the top five
most iconic episodes of our show. I would say in
the top two or three. You know, it is such
a game changer. Um, what were you going to say, Joy, Well,

(33:19):
I was going to say that what you were talking
about about its having a long lasting impact. And it
made me think of another reason why it is great
for kids to watch something like this and hear all
those speeches about you know, you're supposed to get past it,
it does get better, and all of those things. Is
that one element of it is that that that really
struck me when I was watching is I noticed how

(33:40):
many times Jimmy was talking about me, me, me, This
is what happens to me, This is how I feel,
this is what I go through. And you know we're
you know, Hillary, you and I are colony of kids.
I don't know. I can't even keep a plant, even
a suckul. I know what I'm getting you for your
new house plans? All right? Well, how you know you

(34:07):
and I are raising kids, and kids are little narcissists,
and that's kind of how they're born into the world.
And then as we as they grow, we teach them
how to have empathy and how to grow out of that,
and hopefully by the time you're in high school, you're
at the tail end of it and you're really learning
how to see the world through the lens of how
can I serve? How can I be of service? Um,
And it's not so much just about me and how

(34:28):
everything's impacting me, but it is high drama, and that
of course, that's how we all are feeling when you know,
once you hit high school, the drama is high and
it's just so much self focus. And UM, I don't
I don't know. As I was as we were watching
the episode, I had never seen it that through that
lens before, but it really started hitting me that, UM,

(34:50):
I hope that part of the long lasting effects of
this word that kids were able to watch that and
see it's not so much just about how I see
things that, as you're saying, Sophia, all these things can
be true. At the same time, it is complicated. There
are multiple people people's experiences that we all, you know,
sift through and live through, and UM, I just hope
that And I don't know, maybe if you heard some

(35:11):
of that as you as people talk to you about
seeing things through from a new perspective. UM, and it's
not making sense. It's a little bit of words that
makes total sense. But Colin, Colin, you wouldn't worked in
a school like you worked in a school, and so
I would love to know your perspective of like, you know,

(35:32):
we went to school in the nineties, different planet, right
as these kinds of stories get told, because we weren't
the only show doing this. They did this on like
any other show that was about high school. There's been
a version of this, Um, do you feel like talking
about it has been helpful? Are the kids articulating things differently?

(35:54):
Like what? And did any of them recognize you as
Jimmy Edwards walking their halls? Well, luckily I wasn't with
the middle school in high school. It was still elementary
level at the preliminary school campus. But I mean that
still happen. But it still happens, Like there were so
many issues with kids being mean to you know, you

(36:16):
would see it. Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I mean,
I know, you know. The campaign has been like stop bullying,
stop bullying, stop bullying, stop bullying. And guess what, we've
all had those talks with our kids and either the
bullies still the bullying is still happening, or even if
it's stopped, the shootings are still happening. You know, I

(36:38):
don't know that it's the bullying the anger. The anger
has to be coming from somewhere. But I have to
say too, as as on the teacher's side or the
admin side, Yeah, it's happening with the adults to really
like oh yeah, and that's just like private school politics,
I think, or school politics. But it's like the adults
still do it within teachers and grades, and like, you know,

(37:00):
they're still I hate to say it, but like there's
the kids are probably subconsciously seeing that too. It's like
the adults still haven't figured it out. And you know,
it's also interesting, you know, to the point of why
this stuff happens. We're talking about how now we've got
the research, We've got decades of research, studies, data, information,

(37:22):
not just from our own country but from around the world,
and that's what explains why we are the only one
of our pure nations where this happens. And I was
just reading this article yesterday, um really fascinating research piece
in the Times talking about how it's the same sort
of targeted um grooming of boys by these sort of

(37:45):
alt right groups that create this sort of misogynistic violence
that mirrors between school violence and domestic violence, and it's
a similar kind of hyper focused, targeted group that is
promoting disinformation and polarization in our society. And they're explaining
how we're more polarized now than we've been in nearly

(38:06):
a hundred years. It's like just pre World War two
level of animosity um towards the quote two main groups.
And the thing that really struck me is that they're
saying that the difference between the hyper polarization we're experiencing
now and what we were experiencing in the nineteen thirties
is that the hyper polarization exists in children as young

(38:30):
as eleven, where it used to not happen until people
were in their post collegiate years, at least politically. And
that gave me because people used to not talk about
politics over the dinner table. That was it's actually it's
actually not even about the conversation. They talk about how

(38:53):
we used to have a sense that regardless of you know,
quote unquote which side one, that the institutions were taking
care of the country. And you might have a preference
for a side, but you believed in in the not
complete but sort of partial neutrality of the institution, and
now we don't believe anybody's neutral, and now we don't

(39:14):
believe anybody's on our side except the people who we
think are on the same side. And it and it was,
it's a long article, but it really made me think
about how these groups that have seen its grotesque, grotesque
to call it success, but they've seen success and in
the way they've been able to cultivate this super violent
boy culture and they're doing it in every other sense

(39:36):
of culture now and they're aided by the Internet. And
I'm just like, we have a lot of work to do, Yeah,
to undo that happened with the vaccination stuff. With yoga,
it reached all the different demographics. Yes, wait, Colin, are
you hanging into yoga? Crown? Are you yoga? Mo? No?
But I used to do hot yoga and I loved it.

(40:00):
And so it's interesting when you say that, like even
among teachers you see it. This this thing really got
my brain going yesterday and I just think, yeah, man,
I wonder, I wonder what ways in whatever groups were
in we can gather to undo it, because you know,
what do you do what do you guys do in

(40:21):
your teacher's lounge? What do what do we do here
on this show? What do? What do we do in
each of these little spheres were in. It requires vulnerability,
and that's the hardest thing in the world to do.
You know, we know how hard it is to do that,
just in a if you're married or into your relationship,
just to be like, Okay, I need to be vulnerable

(40:41):
and ask for something or say something, or say I
don't understand or I'm mad at you or whatever, like
I'll say the things. It's so effing difficult. I mean,
how do we expect kids to do it? You know,
That's what I'm saying. How do the teachers and the
teacher's lounge can't do it? But that's what I thought
this episode did so well and what you brought. I mean, Colin,

(41:03):
you gave everyone permission to go somewhere. Every single person
in this episode got vulnerable. Yeah, and uh it was
it was beautiful. You were you were beautiful. There's a reason,
you know, we looked back because we thought, God, we
all remember how we felt at the time. What did

(41:23):
people have to say about this? And there's a reason
that people multiple Times said this is a landmark episode
of this series, and truly, I do not mean this hyperbolically. Truly, Colin,
I think you you lead this episode. You were the
tip of the spear. You set an intention and you
brought a presence and everybody went, a wee get to

(41:45):
go there. We're going with him. And you shouldn't want, Colin,
You shouldn't want. And I just wish we had been
able to keep you, even after I lived with half
the a D staff and I remember them coming home
for work and being like, why are we losing that one?
We have to work with so many assholes. Why are

(42:05):
we leasing He's a treasure? Colin. I'm so glad you're
working in film again. Um, do you have to go
to the airport. You're leaving to the airport, breaks, I'm
leaving studio. I'm going to Spain for a couple You
deserve this. I just got back from Spain. Where are
you going? Nice? We're going up Madrid and then Valencia
and then oh my god, in a long time coming

(42:28):
in so we're gonna have some wine and um, just
hang out. Tell us what you're doing right now? Yeah?
Where are you working now? Because I'm so happy that
you're not in school anymore. It's actually because of you, Hillary, No,
it's not because of me. Yes, it is when you
turned me onto this organization. It's a nonprofit. It's called
Stockade Works. We're based in the Hudson Valley. UM. It
was filmed by actress and filmmaker Mary Stuart Masterson Boss.

(42:53):
We train, we mentor, and we were for Hudson Valley residents,
UM for below the line crew positions in TV and film.
UM when our focus is access and inclusion. Obviously, and unfortunately,
so many people in the industry behind the camera and
in front of the camera look like white ciss males
like myself, and it can be like very much a
boys club and hard to get in. And so we

(43:13):
fight to have access and inclusion for more women, BIPOC veterans,
anyone and everyone that feels like they've been bart access
to the to the industry. And so we trained, then
we mentor, and we refer. So bring your projects to
the Hudson Valley and we can hire local crew and
not looks the same. And UM, I love what I do,

(43:33):
so honestly, anybody at home, if you could learn how
to work in the film industry from Colin, do it like.
You are a wonderful teacher, You're a wonderful advocate, and
you're just so fun, which is why I hate that
we had to have you on for this really sad episode. Colin,

(43:54):
we should be dishy about our drag creen adventures right now.
I know, and I do have to say. You brought
me on for the project a couple of years ago
and I hadn't acted in so long, and I was like, Oh,
I'm like finally getting to play like an openly gay
character and remind me to never go full bird Cage
if you what are you talking about? Colin? The whole
time we're filming a movie together, he was am I

(44:14):
being too gay, And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Coming You're a gaming yet exists in my top five
films of all times. So I to say you should
go more, bird Cage. We need to do more. We
need to do more. We need to have the fan
base right in, like a totally different narrative for us

(44:36):
to do with you that does not involve tragedy, that
is just pure pleasure seeking. That's what we need. Let's
go make a movie in Spain or the Hudson Valley.
Let's do it. I'm down. It was so good to
see all. Thanks for having me, love you, love you,
send us lots of pictures. I will absolutely And one

(44:59):
of my best friends who is an actor and his
wife live in Madrid. So Hill, will you put column
I on a text I want to connect. I'll get
you a little tip list. Oh I love it, I
love it. I'm doing it right now. I'm so glad
you came. Yes, Yes, thank you all so much. Maybe
I love you so much. Oh my goodness, Angel, he's amazing.

(45:27):
I love him perfect. He's just such a gorgeous So
he's so ah patient I could just remember him being
such a patient actor to work with, making space for everyone. Oh,
Hillary thinks it's a good Hillary just looked us all
up on text um and he's so smart and insightful.

(45:53):
Uh just yeah, you're right. If you have a chance
to work with him, take it. Yeah. And new capacity well, also,
he came up as a child actor. You know, both
Colin and Lee were child actors, and rather than be rivals,
they were advocates for one another. You know, they said,

(46:14):
such a good example. They could have been bitches to
one another. Because I'm sure they like took jobs from
one another. You know, I bet they tested for all
the same stuff and instead they were collaborative and really supportive.
And Lee really like mourned the loss of Calling on
our show because he lost his soundboard, you know, the

(46:36):
person that he got to do fun banter with. So
I don't know, like we said at the beginning of
Colin being here, the meta of it all, Colin being dismissed,
Jimmy being dismissed, and then getting them back just for
a moment felt like a cheat and not to be snippy,
but occasionally we are to get him back for a

(46:57):
moment where he mopped there yes with everyone and was like, oh,
you're gonna you're gonna lose this sogeous, gorgeous. I just
hope that the folks were snippy about when a big boy. Yeah.

(47:20):
But by the way, for anybody out there that's casting
a movie, put Colin in it, because one, he makes
everything better. But to um, he's also such a pro
and makes everything behind the camera so fun, Like, let's
all work with fun. I like fun. H that's all
I want more fun, fun, damn it. Um, it looks

(47:41):
like we have a listener question, but I can't see it.
I've got it weird set up here. Christina asks during
the school shooting episode, where did you draw your emotions from?
Did you do research or watch any news coverage from
previous school shootings. That was such a heavy episode, and
I went through so many emotions watching it. I'm sure

(48:02):
it was very emotional filming it, trying to remember what
I did. I think we all probably read some articles
and watched some documentaries and things, but I mean, ultimately,
it's just your worst nightmare. I mean, well, and we've
been living through it. That's the thing, you know, It's
a We spoke at the top of this episode about

(48:25):
what it was like when Columbine happened, and you know,
for me personally, I don't know if it was an
hour or five hours before I knew that it wasn't
my best childhood friends, high school, but it felt like,
I mean, everyone at my school was hysterical. And I

(48:48):
imagine for each of you, you know, it's it's it's
a it's a moment where you were very sense of
safety in the world around you gets broken, and for
that to happen here in in our home country, over
and over and over again, and for it not to
be the highest national priority to change it is something

(49:13):
that changes you. And and I know for me and
you know, just get given the conversation the three of
us have had, I feel like I can say for
all of us, that's a that's an emotional presence that
doesn't go away. Yeah. I mean I remember going to
school after Columbine and it did shift. It shifted the

(49:36):
way everyone looked at each other in school. We were
all especially the kids that did show up because at
the time, you know, we were thinking, oh, it's the
goth kids, it's the trench coat, you know. And so
the kids that did show up grengey and wearing clothes
that were like different from everybody we were, it pushed
them out further. Remember people, we all just there was

(49:58):
this sense of yeah, it changes your the way that
you look at your safety in the world, but even
just among your peers, where you feel like it's a
it's a safe place. We're all, yeah, we're all going
to get past it. It's all okay, right, right, wait, right,
maybe it's not. And to have a distrust like that

(50:20):
seeping through your hallways every day, especially for people who
already feel that kind of distrust at home and then
they go to school and then they're dealing with it there.
It's it's just impossible. It's just so hard. My high
school experience was that I was fringe with the trench
Coat Mafia. They were my people. We would go to

(50:41):
poetry slams together, we did theater together, like those are
my friends. And the ringleader of that group was my
friend Scott Kirkpatrick, who, if you've ever like seen my
posts on Memorial Day or Veteran's Day, he ended up
joining the military because as he really believed in the
freedom of speech and wanted everybody to have that, and um,

(51:04):
he ended up dying in Iraq. So when we filmed
this episode, he was still alive, and he was the
person I was thinking about because, like to your point, Joy,
those kids were pushed further out when now we know
all these felt that, now we know all these years
later that it was bullshit, And I knew it was

(51:25):
bullshit in when it happened, when those groups were targeted
and blamed UM at our school, they had like a
trench Coke band that went into effect and they would
like you couldn't wear Jenko pants for like a while
because you could hide something and then it was stupid.
It was stupid, and it targeted everyone who wasn't a jock.

(51:47):
And you know, now we know um otherwise, But when
we filmed this episode, I remember still feeling a lot
of anger that these groups were by being targeted because
we did kind of so we perpetuate in this episode,
you know that it's the picked on kid. And I
guess I was just really struggling with that and so, UM,

(52:11):
I listened on my iPod on repeat the song from
Lama is Empty Chairs at Empty Tables, and I remember
that just like feeling the loss of not just the
kids who had been shot, not just the kids who

(52:33):
perpetuated these things, but also the loss of like the
kids who know one trusts anymore and who are being
like side eyed and ostracized. Um. We had a member
of our crew who had been shot, and he came
and sat with me and kind of talked me through
the wave that you feel not just because you're in

(52:55):
physical pain, um, but because you don't know what's going
to happen next, you know, and you know that you're
so vulnerable, you know. I was like, is it real that,
like Peyton hasn't lost that much blood? Is it real that, um,
she would be fading in and out already. You know,
there were technical questions I had that I didn't want
to screw up because I knew that there were kids

(53:16):
who actually lived this experience and you don't want to
get up m And he was. He was really wonderful. Um.
And we found out after we filmed all this stuff
in the library, and I didn't even want it in
the library because that still felt so Columbiny, like the
library stuff just it was a reference I felt like

(53:40):
was too much. But um, after we filmed, we found
out one of the extras that we had on set
had been a student Columbine when that happened, and she
had no idea what our episode was about until she
came to work that day. My god. Yeah, it was
just one of those like freak things that happens in

(54:00):
the world where you're like, what, how I mean, did
she go home or did she still? She stayed and
she talked with our a D staff and she was
very forthcoming. She was amazing and I wish, I mean,
I wish I knew who she was or like I
had stayed in touch if if she's listening, like, please
reach out to us, because we were all very very

(54:22):
very unsteady about this guy's I cannot emphasize enough that
I did not want to do this episode. Um, and
she made us feel like it was important work. So
for that angel out there, wherever she is, you know,
you put a lot of fears to rest your incredibly

(54:42):
helpful So thanks, thanks for that. Mhm beautiful, she was good. Well,
I think how old is most of our listening audience?
Are we all grown up? So are we all parents
and adults in some fashion? I'm pretty sure that's do Um.
You know, the the thing about our show is that

(55:05):
we do a lot of goofy stuff, but it also
is a platform to talk with your family members about
this kind of stuff. So, um, even if you think
your kid is not exposed to this kind of stuff,
I'm here to tell you that they are. My own
son at eleven twelve years old, uh, stumbled upon videos

(55:30):
that I found on his iPad. He was like, Mom,
watched these, Um, watch these funny videos with me, and
they were compilations of like animal videos and epic fails.
You know, they get labeled under epic fails, which is
something that as a parent, you're like, okay, funny, It's like, yes, exactly,

(55:53):
it's skateboard videos. It's like a dog falling off of something.
You know, they're all harmless. And as I watch these videos,
these compilations with my son, I started to see some
very uh alarming things mixed in, like Alex Jones and
certain yes. And this is why I don't let her

(56:15):
watch YouTube because I know there's it's like you just
never quite know what we get there, splice and stuff
in they're going after the kids. It's spliced in so
split second and so quickly. But what it does is
it establishes these certain personalities, these radical personalities in our country,
and it sets a tone with a ten year old,
eleven year old, twelve year old, Oh that's a funny

(56:37):
guy from that funny video that I watched. That was funny.
And then the next thing is they're seeing a video
that's a little bit longer and a little bit longer,
and it establishes a pattern of these voices are funny
and by the time that boy is sixteen or seventeen
years old, unless he has a parent or an authority
figure that comes in and it's like this is not funny.

(56:59):
And I'm going to lovingly explained to you why they're radicalized. So, um, yeah,
you gotta show up in your kids. It's really hard
into You've got to pay attention. I got to pay attention. Well,
and to your point, you've got to look for where
it's buried. Yeah, it's it's totally buried. Much like when

(57:20):
a woman finds herself in an abusive relationship, people go, well,
how'd you end up with that guy? Or why did
you stay? Because it doesn't start there. It doesn't start
with the snowball being the size of a boulder. It
starts with the snowball being the size of a p
And that's how they're getting into our in front of
our kids and these things snowball and you know, just

(57:43):
last week, I'm not even gonna say his name because
I don't want to give him any promo, but this horrible, violent,
misogynistic um she's like an m M A fighter or something. Uh,
finally got banned from Twitter and Instagram. And this is
a guy who had amassed me millions of followers, mostly
teenage boys, teaching them to disrespect women, beat women, rape women,

(58:08):
and boys were like no, he's the coolest. He's just
being unny. Man's funny. He got in in these little videos,
and to Hillary's point, by the end, millions of kids
were watching him talk for minutes and minutes and minutes,
and it was horrific. I mean horrific. I couldn't get

(58:28):
to the end of some of these videos. And I'm
an adult, but I want to know what we're up.
This is and this is why it's so important to
show up and pay attention to what your kids are
watching and what they're h and also to teach them
to self govern so that they have the ability to
to spot some of this stuff and go, oh, I

(58:50):
don't want that to be a part of my my world.
I don't know. I don't know that. I know that
I don't fully understand it all, but I know that
I trust my parents, or my guardian or the person
that is mentoring and looking out for me when they
say this is not good for you. I'm not going
to try and sneak it. I'm not going to try
and continent you have. That's a character development thing. You
have to start teaching your kids young, and as they
grow they will it works. I've done it with my

(59:12):
own kid. I've seen other people do it with their kids.
You can teach your children to self govern and that's
one of the most important things because voices like this
are probably not going away anytime. So everyone has a
right to their own thought and their own space. And
that's why it's so important to be vigilant as a parent,
so that you can monitor and teach them to monitor themselves.

(59:32):
It was so much easier growing up in the eighties. Honestly,
if I could go back and be an eighties mom,
you better I can believe I would sign up for that.
Just books and bangs. Let's go books and banks. Can
we put that on a T shirt? Telling me about it? Well, honestly, like,

(59:53):
hats off to all of our guest stars in this
episode because aliceon Cagliotti was unmade easing Um Amber was amazing.
Who's the guy that played Marcus? Yeah? Who was that awesome?
And why didn't we get more of him? Yeah? He

(01:00:13):
was a great actor and should have played Felix, is
my take? Yeah he was great. Yeah, I would have
supported that, that would have been um But or is
this the pattern of us naming characters after after people's
real names? On our show. It's like they just didn't
want to have to deal with it. They didn't want

(01:00:34):
to talk about it. It was like, honestly, with the
cast this big, you can't expect the directors and the
a D staff and all the producers to remember people's
real names and character names. Don't be ridiculous. The Hall
of Fame with Antoine and Bevin and so many more
of our friends. Yeah, but also before we leave, we
have to address the Keith of it all, which I

(01:00:55):
know that we're going to talk more about in the
next episode. UM, let's put a disclaimer up for suicide
on this episode, um, because that's ultimately what it is.
I don't I don't know if this is a school
shooting episode, but I know for a fact it's a
suicide episode. UM. And that is accurate. Pain is uh.

(01:01:19):
Pain is very real when you're in the depths of
it and you don't see a way out. And so
let's make sure we post resources. Um. You know, the
loss here is kind of unbelievable, between losing Colins slash
Jimmy and Keith slash Craig. So yeah, I don't know, guys,

(01:01:41):
what episode what I have you one? I love you guys,
And I'm glad that we walked through this together, and um,
I'm grateful that our audience is sticking with us through
this and hopefully everybody was able to take something positive
away from it. Yeah, and I do hope, you know,

(01:02:02):
as we move forward, that we'll be able to dig
a little bit deeper into some of these issues, you know,
into what is happening online, into how we can activate
our families and communities, um, to push back against this
beheamoth of violence that we're up against. How we can

(01:02:26):
advocate better for each other, for our friends that are
in pain, for people who might be, you know, struggling
with depression or suicidal ideation. You know, we said it
earlier that it's it's so important to be vulnerable and
and you know, call and said that beautiful thing that
people can't help you until you vocalize and ask. And

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one of the things that's inspired me the most about
our One Trey Heal family is that people come here
to be vulnerable with each other. People share their stories,
and not just with us, our fans share them with
each other. They've built friendship across the world that are
real And I hope we can continue to be a
place where we can vocalize and ask and witness each other. Sophia,

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there's an organization you just sent me a T shirt
for UM, I've got ninety nine problems. Uh, can you
can you tell everybody what that is? Um? Yeah, So guys,
something really amazing has finally happened this year. UM. There's
a lot going on in the world and having one
resource line to call doesn't make sense. If you are

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struggling with a mental health crisis, you don't necessarily need
to call nine one one to talk to a police officer.
You need a mental health professional. And so this year
here in the US, we have finally, with the incredible
support of you know, many activists who have championed this cause,
our country has launched eight and it is the emergency
Mental health helpline. So great. You know, if God forbid,

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you witness a car accident, you call nine one one
to get the cops and the firefighters. If you or
someone you know is having a mental health crisis, you
down nine eight and you will be routed to a
mental health professional team and response option. And so hopefully
nine eight can really help a lot of people, UM

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get the help that they need just as quickly as
you know you would if you called nine on one
because there was a fire or something. So that's fantastic.
Gus asked to wear that shirt to school. He did. Yeah,
he was like, can I read this school so people
so people know? And I love him. I also I
love you know. I had shared about it, and the

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folks who have helped to run the outreach said, can
we send you some stuff? And I was like, oh
my god, I want to send care packages to all
my friends. So it's been fun to send you all
and a couple of other people some mailers. And they
also made these great stickers that I've just been sticking
on like telephone polls and mailboxes, and I'm like, god,
I feel like a high school kid again. Are you
a handle? I mean kind of like putting up no

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X shakers like Peyton. I'm out there being like, call
for your mental health. Here's where you go. See me
at the grocery store doing the same thing. Um. I
love you guys. Let's spin a wheel today. We need
to end on an up note. I feel like we
all a little bit of it. I'd like some I'd
like some happiness with the two of you. Well, we
got to take care of each other. And I hope

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our you know, our listeners are doing the same thing.
Let yourself, let yourself take breaks from the darkness. It's important.
What do we got this week? We've got most likely
to guys. I just went to the store and picked
up well, first of all, I died my dough tell
them what it is. But oh shoot, this is how

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excited Joy is. She's like, okay, so so on background,
it's most likely to die their hair a crazy color
and goin all spent and then okay, get right. I
just went to the drug store and I picked up
a bottle of purple hair dye. I think I should
do it. I mean to be fair. I just toned

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my gray hair and it ended up a little purple.
So it was an intentional did it. It's fun. It's
a fine line though, like there's a purple where it's like, oh,
this is kind of just I don't know, it's like
bad nineties, it's going to be good. And then there's
like sexy pastel like unicorn purple, and I don't I'm

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gonna go for that. So we'll see my girl friends.
And I got these cool hair kits to like, put
this pink wash in our hair early pandemic, A girlfriend,
Early pandemic. We were all locked up through like this
will be so fun. Let's get on the wall dyer
hair together, and I realized I was like, oh, but
my hair is too dark to put a wash in.
So I just looked like Brooke Davis in Season three,
just like real, like in the sunlight, my hair was

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an unnatural shade of red, and I was like, damn it.
So I need the two of you to do the
pastel washes so I can live vicariously well. Joy wins
it in real life? Which character do we think is
our dye your hair? Crazy colors did we have? I
don't think anyone wouldn't Peyton because we don't need to

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talk about Peyton hair. Hair is traumatic. I was gonna
say Lucas because the only person who changed their hair
more than I did was Chad. It was only a
matter of time before he was like, we're doing it.
We're gonna die at Ravens blue. Um. That would have
been hot for the boys for like one of the

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National Championship episodes or something. They should have had them
all die their hair blue. That would have been so cool,
so fine. Next convention, we'll just tell oh perfect, keep
the dream alive. Thanks guys, thanks for sticking through this
with us. We're so grateful that you came, and we
hope to see you again next week. Yeah. Thanks guys.
The next episode we'll see you for if The Aftermath

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Season three, episode seventeen, Who will survive and what will
be left of them