August 9, 2021 • 62 mins
The Drama Queens explore this episode and give you an in-depth analysis. We're discovering that Brooke and Peyton are very much on their own in this world. Why is Brooke so obsessed with having a boyfriend and needing attention? Why does Peyton keep giving pieces of her heart to the wrong people?
Let’s go behind the scenes on Lucas & Peyton's long awaited kiss. Find out how Hilarie was affected by it and the impact of a sisterhood on set during her first intimate scene.
Also, Joy & Chad’s real-life night alone on a rooftop and find out how Sophia was almost the next Britney Spears! Don't miss the shrewd, empowering advice Lee Norris gave one of the Drama Queens and, finally, Joy asks this crucial question: Is ___________ the real life "Lucas"?!
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Queen's Drama Queens. Hey, welcome back episode seven. Thanks for
joining us. This is Drama Queens. We are talking about
episode seven of One Tree Hill, Life in a Glass House.
Air date November four, two thousand and three. The synopsis
of this episode is, this is the night that Dan
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and Deb's annual basketball appreciation party, which what spurs old
memories and new feeling feelings. Can we start by saying,
though that Joy wanted to retitle this episode lamps. I
was fan out there to watch this episode and count
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how many freaking lamps. I don't understand. Why is it?
Is it always in every episode and I'm just seeing
it now. I don't know. This felt real lamp heavy.
Karen's Cafe was like lamp like, I don't need what's
the word like? Lamp perfect? Don't go there to hang out,
like going in like a like a cool, quirky old
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vintage store where there's just like lamps for sale everywhere,
except it's supposed to be a business. Lamps everywhere, every
ambient lighting in this episode, which is good because we
had some big feelings. You don't want to have big
feelings and like overhead lighting that's gross. No there, you
know what. Look, let's talk about the big star of
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the episode, brook right, because this was Brooks episode fully,
Brooks episode, um, and I have all kinds of questions
about her motivation and what she was dealing with and
like why did she I mean, okay, my first well, okay,
how did we start the beginning or do we just
dive into like get in, just dig in. What's great
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about this is that Brooke is really pushing the story
forward in so many ways, because the last episode that
we saw was kind of as we discussed, a reintroduction
of a lot of the characters and the dynamics and
just reminding everyone where we all are. But we needed
something to start pushing everything in a new direction. And
they were, like the writers I guess just were like,
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Brooke Brooks got to do it, and so you know,
we were all like, but nothing would have happened if
Brooke hadn't gotten in there and started moving everything around.
But I was kind of shocked for the for the
loyal friend that Brooke has established herself to be, that
she would suddenly the manipulating everything so that she could
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get time with she could get lucas and get paid
and out of the way. Um, I don't know, can
you just tell us a little bit about where you
were with her? Then? Yeah? I mean god, I just like,
so cringe e this whole episode. It's cringe e for you.
Oh yeah, I hated this. You gotta shake it off.
It's not real, baby, It's not real. I know, I
still hate it. I'm just like, oh god, so atrocious. Um.
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But you know, you bring up a great point because
Brooke is a device in this episode, and that's something
you know, we talked about this a few episodes back,
how sometimes you have to suspend disbelief. Um, sometimes you
have to do things you may not necessarily agree with
to drive the story. So I understood that Brooke was
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sort of Yeah, she was like a big shiny red
truck in this episode. Literally, but what kind of truck
is the question. I mean, I'm I'm thinking like a
really shiny mac truck, like something that really yeah, yeah,
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like sparkly red paint um. But that was the thing
I needed to wrap my head around. And and also
such an interesting thing. You know, this was our seventh episode,
This was my seventh episode ever as an actor on television,
and and to be a kid and to really be
bothered by my character's behavior. But also have you know
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our creators and the director say you you are the
literal embodiment of a pot stir in this episode. We
need the drama, we need the tension. What I had
to lean into to make it makes sense. Bridging that
gap was figuring out where her motivation came from. You know,
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thinking about being a sixteen year old girl and really
having a crush on someone who you're afraid might like
your best friend, your best friend who already has a boyfriend,
and and the only place you've ever been taught to
feel good about yourself is when you're getting validated by
other people's attention. Like that was Brooks whole thing. Yeah,
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Like it was the only thing that mattered in her household,
in this place, in that world, and so I really
had to try to motivate this bad behavior by a
desperate need for someone to say I pick you, and
she never got it. So it was it was an
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episode where she just kept getting rejected and then you know,
kept drinking her sorrows away and just like really, by
the end of it, had embarrassed herself and I felt terrible.
I feel terrible even thinking about it now. But okay,
so let's be real here though, because we've established backstory
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that we've never gotten to see the Peyton and Nathan
do they all the time, all the time, right, So
it kind of isn't so bad when you take that
into consideration, because it's like, here we go again, I
had to make this happen faster this time, this for
the nineteenth time this year. It softens the blow a
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little bit. Well, you're right, and and there is a
real moment where you actually see Brooks feelings when Peyton
and Nathan are talking and you're you're both basically like
but out you're being horrible, and she's kind of that
is the thing of like, you guys, please do this.
And then in that moment when she realizes Peyton might
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actually like Lucas and isn't using him as a pond
to make Nathan jealous. And maybe everything is much less
stable than Brooke understands in this high school world of
roles and behaviors that she's come to understand how to
be a part of. You know that that that made
me so sad when I looked at you and said,
or you, I didn't realize you were in my way?
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Or are you finally Adah was But like when we
were in high school for real, okay, my friends and
I would kiss the same boys and like then call
each other on the phone later and laugh about Like
there was one weekend where we all kissed Jimmy a scene.
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You know, Jimmy A scene had like a pickup truck
and it would pull up in front of your house,
and if your dad didn't chase him off with a
baseball bat like mine, you'd go out. You'd kiss Jimmy
a scene and come back in and then you call
your froll area and he's going to die when he
knows that I've called him out. But everyone kissed Jimmy,
And so it makes sense to me because that was
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my real life experience that it's like, oh yeah, we
like the same kinds of boys. Like we all like
loved Josh Hartnett and Heath Ledger in high school, you
know what I mean. So, like we all love the
same kind of boys, it makes sense that Peyton and
Brooke would like the same boys. And and it's a
it's a playful competition until that moment where it's not,
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and then it's like, oh I might have caught failings.
That's embarrassing, you know. Yeah, this is the episode where
everyone's feelings feel very real, really real, and her Yeah,
oh man, I liked I just liked this for Brooke.
I know you're cringe e. But for me as an
actor looking at this, it's such a good build up
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for where she's going, for understanding the complexities I mean,
talk about a multidimensional character, um, which again a testament
to you as an actress, because it would have been
really easy to just play it on that one level. Um,
But you really see Brooks cry for help, um, just
wanting a parent and wanting like I mean, now that
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we know who Victoria is, like makes perfect sense, It
totally does. So I really liked this episode for a
brook a lot. It was it was a moment you
just loved it. You love to hate. It's like, no, no,
don't do it because you love her. So it's kind
of okay that she's being so insane. Um, let's get
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into the haley of it. Although, because the girl like,
be careful, be careful, be careful, is the most irritating
ship in the world when you're here. Yeah, yeah, but
sometimes you should tell you to be careful. And you're
young and you don't know what you're doing in relationships.
That's right, that's right, girl. You know, girls, it's hard
to know. It's hard to know. Listen if there if
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you have three friends that say red flag rule of Um,
it's a red flag. You know. One friend could be manipulative,
two friends could be colluding, three friends. That's the girl. Girl.
It's a nice goal post because you're right, one person
could be projecting their own experience onto your experience, you know.
But when a collective of people, when there's a vote, yeah,
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it's hard to listen to you though. I mean that
for all of my major relationships, I had people, UM,
tell me red red flag. I'm concerned, I'm concerned. Are
you sure? Are you sure? And I was just so
stubborn and you know, determined that like I knew, I
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just knew what I was doing. You know, fairy tales. Joy,
we're fed the fairy tales where it's like Beauty and
the Beast. You know, we are told from a very
young age like you can fix them, this will be
a fun project, and then you'll be the boss. Then
you'll be the queen because you did the hard thing,
you know. And so in this episode, all the girls
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are kind of battling with that their versions of fairy tales.
You know, you kiss, you kiss the prince and it's
not happily ever after. Then he gets weird and starts
talking about forever, you know, like like what's happening? That's yeah,
that is a great point. And you know what's interesting,
Joys Like, as you're saying that, I'm going the same,
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my face is very yep. And And what's interesting about
it is that, in a way, I think about it
in particular for the three of us going through those
real life trials and tribulations together while selling a fairy
tale on screen. Yeah, like you had Nathan and Haley
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on screen, Yes, and people used to come up I
mean fans would come up to me all the time.
And say I just hope one day I have a
relationship like Nathan and Haley. And I was like, I
don't want to burst your bubble. But I'm also thinking
that's not it doesn't exist as it was written by
writers in a in a studio. But I mean, I
don't know, there's also they went through their own, their
own trials. I think it was the concept of sticking,
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sticking through it together no matter what. Doesn't he kidnapped
at some point, like you said, come on, like, yes, obviously,
I can't wait for that future one day if Jeffrey
ever gets kidnapped, you know, but it's true you need
your friends. I mean, I was remember that guy I
was engaged to, and I didn't know we were going
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to be allowed to talk about that because we all
did it. I know we all did, but Moira was
so worried about me. She was like rounding up people
like this is not good. Yeah, no, he can't come
in the trailer. I feel like he was banned from
the hair and makeup trailer. He might have been, I
don't know. I mean, you know whatever, he's a sweet
guy and I obviously have no hard feelings, but like,
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and I'm I'm glad that that one didn't work out.
And you know, I've now I have my daughter and
lots of other amazing things happened in my life. But um,
I mean, we we make mistakes because we're like trying
to figure it out, and you need friends around you
to tell you sorry, Sophia, me to cut you off.
You know. By the way, I'm just thrilled we're talking
about this. I didn't know what. You know. What I
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think about two is how desperately we all wanted to
prove that we were these like professional adults, and the
easiest way to do that when you're twenty two is
to be like, look at me, I'm gonna grown up relationship,
and I've signed the lease and I've bought real furniture
that didn't you know, it didn't come out of a box.
Like yeah, we were all like trying to establish our things.
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And I have to tell you the sweetest thing that
Leonorris said to me years ago that I really think
applies to all of us. When I realized that, you know,
we've all been asked big questions by men, we decided
we're not our people. Lee said to me. He was like,
you know, It's really interesting how guys can like date
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all their dream girls before they settle down and people
say good for you, but you ladies get get treated
like you don't deserve the same Oh my god, process
of kind of try figuring it out. And he said,
I wish I don't know if he even remember this.
We were like a little tipsy and having a very
emotional conversation about our friendship, and he said, I wish
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that for you, and I apply this to all of
us rather than people saying like judging your personal life.
Our personal lives. People were like, wow, they must be
so special that all these guys have tried to get
them to marry them, right, Like that was his whole
thing is he was just engagements. I'm like, what y'all
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do with your rings? Like where are they? Do you
have a box? Like yeah, no, I've got a box,
I've got a I've got a treasure trove. But that
makes so much sense. It's like you look at the
clonies of the world. Yeah, and they are just so
lauded for like, oh, well they've been with everyone and
they found the one but a girl that until she
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was perfect and it's like, well, we didn't set it
either what's happening? Yeah, yeah, guys were so fabulous. People
want to marry us. That's all what I'm saying, you know,
So congrats to your first fiance, Joy, Thank you. Yes,
he saw, he always knew he was the practice fiance
in the future. I think maybe we should just buy
jewelry for each other and be a little more picky
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with men. That would be recommendation to all the young
women listening, like give jewelry to your friends and be patient.
Romantic friendships are the best because all of the riff
raff that goes along with the romances taken out. You
don't have to put out. It's like, nothing weird. It's
just a beautiful meals with each other. Romantic friendships so
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the way to go. I remember years ago I took
a fabulous trip to Europe with a really good friend
of mine and she'd like had a really rough time
and had lost her job, and um, I was just
trying to figure out what was next, and I was like,
you're coming on this trip with me, and on this trip,
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I'm your platonic husband. I'm paying for everything. And we
went out to like fancy dinners and had champagne, and
we had this like fabulous time and we just cackled
laughing about how we were probably having a better time
than so many of the couples around. So yeah, I'm
a big fan of a of an in love platonic friendship.
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Lucas and Haley have like a really lovely platonic friendship
that I I can't understand why they never hooked you
too up because the chemistry is there. But that moment
at the end, even the moment at the beginning where
Lucas tells her it's okay, like I get it. You know,
those moments that you two keep sharing with one another,
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there's a physical proximity that tells the story of how
long you guys have been friends, because that's not you know,
when you talk close, when you touch another person in
your teenage years. That's an intimacy that is so lovely
in friendship but also like rare between boys and girls.
So yeah, I love that they never took it into
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romance territory. But but boy, it looked like it came
close in this episode. It seemed like they could have
grown up and been a good match for each other
as adults. Maybe you know, um, but you know, a
lot of people don't know this. Actually, I don't know
if you guys know this. But when I first got
to Wilmington's and we were filming our first episode, we
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there was some uh party at the beach. I don't
remember whose house it was. It might have been James's
house or something, but when all the boys rented the
house together, yeah, yeah, every so I went, and Um,
you were there too, So I don't know if you
don't remember if you were there or not, Hillary, But
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it was late and and I was out on the
roof because I'm such an intro this is what I
do at parties, Like I hang out and then I'm like, oh,
there's too many people, and I go stand in the
bathroom for twenty minutes by myself. So there was a
window open and a rooftop, so I went out on
the roof and I was sitting out there and just
kind of like taking a deep breath and and getting
some fresh air. And um and Chad came out and
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sat down next to me. And we hadn't really gotten
a chance to spend time together at all. I mean,
we had our screen test and then you know, ran
into each other and hallways and things. But we said
and we sat down the roof and we just were
like hanging out talking about life, talking about our friends
and people that we had grown up with. And my
best friend at the time from high school had been
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a boy, and so I was really comfortable having that
sort of platonic friendship. It didn't feel weird or awkward
to me. And and I just remember that that set
a tone for us. Uh And we sat out there
for like an hour just talking, and it really set
a foundation for us on set in the future at
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from that point forward that like we he was always
he always just felt like my like my little brother,
you know what I mean. He was like always goofy
and like messing around, I'm doing prank and all this stuff.
But but um, I really cared about him. I really like,
I really had a big heart for him from that
just that one night sitting out, I was like, Oh,
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you know, buddy, that's buddy. He had his dog living
in that house. You know what is also so sweet
about thinking about that, I feel like I can picture it.
I remember that house. All those boys we went to
garden the front yard of that house. So just for
you guys at home. All the boys so like um Brett,
clay Well and James and Chad and did did anyone
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else in that house with them? I did leave there.
I don't think he did because he was going back
and forth from Weak Forest. Maybe. I think there was
one other guy. There's maybe one of the basketball players.
But they all rented this house at the beach together,
and it was not like a beach house. It was
made of old brick, had like gargoyles and everything, so
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it was always dark inside. Yes, it was architecturally the
weirdest thing I've ever seen on the beach match anything else.
And we went to the hardware store one day. We
were like, these boys need to get it together, and
we we planted plants. We put flos and the stone,
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but they didn't have any like plants. So the police
looked terrified. They looked haunted, looked super haunted. But it's
so sweet because I remember that, and I remember like
all of us kind of milling around trying to figure
out what was going on, and picturing you two having
that conversation. It makes me think about that sweet last
scene in the episode where Haley's crying and Lucas comes
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and sits next to her, and and I will say
I always had those those moments watching it, being like,
this is going to be the moment when they kiss.
But I love in hindsight that they never crossed the
boundary for the characters, because you guys were able to
model a genuine, when kind friendship between a teenage boy
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and a teenage girl, and that was really rare. That
was really rare on TV that that people didn't, you know,
cross a hormonal line at one point or another. And
you guys show that lasted nine years too. You know,
you'd think at some point, yeah, but you know, so
the scene where we uh, I go to his bedroom
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and I'm like tying the tie. So I had to
learn how to tie a tie. I never had, don't
you know. It's it's harder, It's it was harder. I mean,
I'm glad I did it on my neck and then
put it on him because we originally it was originally
blocked so that he would stand in front of the
closet mirror or whatever the where of the mirror was,
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and I was going to come up behind him and
tie the tie around his neck and it was your house.
I could not figure it out. It was so awkward.
So we were just like, Okay, just put it around
your neck and tie it on your own neck and
then put it on him. So that's that worked. Um.
But that was the first watching that episode, this was
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the first time I really saw Haley as um she's
like a little mini adult, like really just try if.
She was actually so much more confident than I actually
was because I was a mini adult, but I was
a mini adult facade, deeply insecure on the inside. And
it was cool to see Haley like she was. She
was kind of badass. She was a tough girl. She
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was really quick in this episode, like the stuff in
the car with Peyton, you know, all her like quips
with you know, Nathan, with everybody. She's so fast, which
is counter to Peyton, who is like sullen and very
slow and very like I'm going to take my time.
But I don't know that she's quippy in these first
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few episodes. It's like there's at least in her conversations
with Haley, it's like I'm going to take the slow
beat because I'm admitting something that is not comfortable, and
Hayley is so sharp and truss Haley. Um, it seems
to trust Haley. I think Peyton is like one of
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those kids. I remember seeing like an episode of Law
and Order s VU where there was like a girl
that had been abused when she was younger. So the
result as an adult was that she latched onto people
really fast and like it was like, do you love me?
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you like a really important
piece of me, and I'm just going to trust that
you don't mess it up. And of course, like everybody
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messes it up. I think Peyton does that. It's like,
I do you want to know my deepest, darkest secrets?
I know we just met. You know there's a there's
like an abused kid syndrome in there um and so yeah,
I think she very quickly is like, well Brooks being weird?
Are you my it's that book? Are you my mother?
Are you my best friend friend? Are you my best friend?
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My friend? Yeah? We're all that way though. When we're little,
aren't we like? Are you? Is it you? Are we
gonna be friends still? We're ninety? Is it you? Maybe?
And I think especially for kids, and I think this
is something that you know, Brooke and Peyton in particular
shared was the narrative of absent parents, you know, like Haley.
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We didn't see the family, but it was known that
Haley came from this big family and everyone really loved
each other. And and with Peyton's mom having passed and
dad always being away and Brooks parents like always being
on a business trip and her just being alone, you know,
it's no wonder that each of us is seeking safety
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and validation somewhere. You're trying to figure out where you
can have a safe friendship. And I'm like, if I
could just get a boy to love me, then maybe
I would be okay. If I can just get a
boy to love me. The other comfort thing in this,
you know, for people who are adrift, like the girls are. Karen,
who has seemingly been a drift in her own hometown
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for the last sixteen seventeen years. Running into Whitey at
the party and him reminding her of the girl she
was and like being looking proud of you was such.
It was a really lovely moment. I loved that they
had the sense to put in his dialogue a reference
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to how happy it's been making him to see her
at the gym again, you know, watching Yuka's play because
it it makes you realize that even though as an
audience we haven't seen them have a moment at a
basketball game, it gives you the emotional payoff of learning
that Whitey has been tracking Karen being there and it's
so it's just lovely. And the compliment that he gives
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her about raising a good young man. Yeah, I mean
that's as a mom, like when you're somebody comes up
and tells you, like, hey, you did a really good
job your kids amazing. It's like, there's no there's no
greater compliment you could possibly give me. Do you guys
stay in touch with your teachers? Do you talk to
your teachers? No? Do you? Oh? My god, my favorite teachers.
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That's awesome. It's I just did assume. Okay, let me
tell you a little trick. All the teachers are parts
of book clubs, right or they have like they don't
call them drinking clubs, but they're drinking. I know what
you guys are up to. And it's like they all
have their once a month meeting where they meet at
a winery and they like discuss a topic. And so
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because everyone's been doing it over Zoom, I did a
meeting with like my teachers from fourth grade through graduation,
and just like wept the whole time because these people,
they don't they don't. Maybe they do understand that they're
like your parents for a little while, you know, like
they shape you in a way that's forever um and
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you know you want to just like then pick their
brain about everything. Ever. And so I love that Whitey
is that person in our show. I wish we had
more teachers like that in our show because like my
English teacher, my US History teachers, my government teacher, like
all those teachers were so vital, and we've got Whitey,
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but like we could have done more. We could have
had a chick teacher. That would have been cool. It
would have been nice. Hayley became that later, yeah for sure,
but it would have been nice to see that influence.
It would have been nice to see that influence in
her life. Yeah, especially to know who made her so
passionate about tutoring and everything would have been yeah, yeah,
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what's the backstory? Did you make one up? Did you?
I might have? I don't know. I just figured like
she's really smart and she likes helping people, and especially
as a sibling in a in a big family. You
get used to learning how to help and lend, lend
a hand and all the time. So it probably was
super second nature to her, and she could make some money.
Kids from big families. It's like, sorry, kids, I don't
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have my I can't give you guys all an allowance,
like go get a job. So tracks I like that
she's an entrepreneur, Like, yeah, can we talk about deb
and Karen more of this? I love this relationship. This
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dynamic is so great. I wonder if they planned that
all along or if they just saw like how Moira
and Barbara were playing it, and they were like, Okay,
we'll do this. You know so much that season one
was fly by the seat of our pants because all
the stuff that they had planned kind of got thrown
out the window because now we were in competition with
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all these other team dramas like the O C. And
it was like, what was some of the stuff they
had planned? Do you know the things? Baby? All I
know is that everything was supposed to be narrated by
why are you talking to Camilla? It was supposed to
be eight mile is what I was told, and so
kind of these more like juicy dramatic narratives were you know,
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I think the element of having like two sexy moms
became a thing because Desperate Housewives was a very big
show and moms on the c were super sexy, and
so they're like, well, let's bring in these like hot
moms that then become friends and then later can be
friend of mees, you know, that building that arc. But
watching these two women work together, it's like, why would
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we ever split this up? These two are well, they
have such great chemistry, you know, and and to see
that and to see the the gentle nature that they
both apply to what could be a very fraud interaction,
it's just so good. I want more of it all
(29:52):
the time. And to watch Dan Scott, it makes them
and he can't it's so genuine what he's seeing that
he's frozen and he can't like interject with some shitty quip.
You know, why do you think he didn't rush over
there to break it a stop it? Why why did
he walk away? He actually made the choice to we
(30:13):
have to ask Paul this when we have on this show,
because it's such a that's kind of a really big
moment to just leave them alone instead of trying interject
got out gamed, deb out gamed him. I'm telling you, man,
she wears the pants and yeah, for sure it's it's
this is her punishment for his behavior at that party
(30:33):
last week. You know, it's like, you know what, you
embarrassed me, you misbehaved. I am going to make an
example out of you this party and now all your
friends are going to watch me not only invite them,
but give them preferential treatment while they're here. You know.
It's it's also leading by example. I mean, it's a
(30:54):
power player, but like you were saying when we were watching,
there's an element of leading by example that she does
that is really nice to see. Instead of typical television
everybody loves Raymond housewives where they're just barking orders and
always telling him what's wrong and what's doing. Why can't
you just be nice? You know? You know, so what
(31:18):
is it like Archie Bunker and the Honeymooners and stuff.
It's nice to see a wife that is she's just
being herself, she's got boundaries and she's leading by example.
It's a really beautiful to me. Um alright, and Beth
Crook on, Beth Crook, we all have this on our list.
You guys, we keep running lists while we're watching the episode,
and I love that we've all arrived at the Beth
(31:38):
Crookham point of our list. So, Joy, do you want
to tell everybody at home who Beth is in real life?
With Beth in real life? Well, she was one of
our producers on the show. Um though uncredited as a
producer for many, many years. Ever did she ever finally
get a producer credit? Said she was like an assistant
for you know, like a producer's assistant. She her ass off.
(32:01):
I mean she worked harder, arguably harder than several of
our producers. But Beth was I mean, she's like the
mayor of Wilming did Like, she knows everybody. She's involved
in everything. She can get you reservations, she knows everybody
that runs every restaurant. She knows that all the locations, words, councils,
whatever you want. Actress Extraordinary shows up to tell deb
(32:21):
that the pies went to. We were so excited. It
really was like shooting in a small town because had
we been in l A, have you been in New York,
you know, we wouldn't have known the day players on
the show who would come round for like five six lines.
But watching it back, we're like, oh my god, they're
(32:43):
so and so Hey, they're so so it's such a
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Beth is um a force and she would have to
do all the stuff that no one else wanted to
do with us, including a d R yes, which is
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additional dialogue record and basically set therapist, like you know,
the woman that we would all talk to about all
the craziness that was going on, and she was like
just dealing with everything. And she's an artist and she
collects art and she's like an interior designer and she
runs this charity that in Rwanda all the time. I mean,
(34:10):
what an amazing woman. We should um find a link
actually to some of the charity work that she does
so people can go check it out and support her.
But that was just so fun to see our friend.
Yeah that episode and then then you know, we get
to see again Karen uh kind of saving the day
for Deb or or did deb it was vice versa man,
(34:32):
it was partnership after you know, after the party is
like the mean moms were leaving, They're like, where were
these desserts? From? Who? I love? She had the same
haircut as Deb. Like. I love how they styled all
the cheerleaders to dress like Brooke and then they groomed
all the moms to look like that. Really smart. Also,
(34:56):
Deb's one liner speaking of her planning the perfect party
in working with Karen, when she catches Dan flirting with
that bartender and says, she's young enough to be your
daughter and in this town she might just be so good,
so good. That bartender was played by Melissa Egan. By
(35:16):
the way, who if you're a fan of Hallmark or
um we can find out some of the other stuff
that she's done she's a she's a she's a good
working actress, Missy Egan Melissa Egan. Now, um yeah, we
had a lot of a lot of people come on
our show that continued. That's really successful careers. Who's your
Who is the one that always makes you got your
head because I know who mine is. I'm like, how
(35:38):
did that person come on our show? Who? Evan Peters
on our show? Even at the time, he was like,
I don't know what I'm doing on this show. I'm
gonna go do like much cooler than this, you guys.
But it is fun seeing people kind of um like
(36:00):
learn the business and come up through the ranks, like
on a show from twenty years ago, because I did
that on Dawson's Creek, you know, like my that was
my first like what am I doing? It's fun to
see those little guest spots because you forget that everybody
has that one first job yours, Felicity was was one
(36:22):
of those. For me. I mean my first job ever
was like a dog commercial or something when I was twelve.
But yeah, in terms of shows that Charmed was another
big one. Another kind of guest spot. I feel like
a dressed as a princess and oh yeah, it was
a busty princess. I was like, it was me and
Rose McGowan having some sorcery, you know, battle. That's my belly.
(36:46):
Loved her by the way. She was so fun. She
had a wand I think I did not have a
wand I did not I had. They really made a
big deal out of my boobs in that episode, though,
Well that's exciting. Yeah, so they are they are. So
what was yours? Oh? Man? Um, my very first job,
(37:07):
I did a Kikat commercial That's how I got my
sag card. That was delicious. And then then I worked.
I did a scene in Van Wilder with Ryan Reynolds,
who literally when they were like get on your mark,
I just looked around and he was like, it's the
thing with the tape, this is how you stand about it.
And I was like, oh, you're nice. Um. And then TV,
(37:27):
right before we did our show, I did a couple
of episodes of Niptuck. Oh that's you know. They had
you pegged. Is this kind of like VAMPI character? And
I feel like when that came out it kind of
lit the fire on our show, like, oh she can
(37:48):
do that, Like that's what she does and I was like,
I don't know, no, no, I have very much more
comfortable and tomboy rolls. Please leave me alone All girls school. Yeah,
So like Brooke was really a push for me. Sophia,
you got a role that I wanted, UM, A pilot
(38:09):
a few years prior to that. It was a UM
it was like a pop star. You were some super
pop star. It was a movie, that's right. And I
remember going in for the audition and uh, Britney Spears's
name was on the call sheet like it was a
It was a big It was a big, big movie,
(38:29):
really big movie. And I found out later, I think
when we were auditioning for our show, and maybe maybe
because I met you in the lobby or something, I
probably looked you up. And I don't even know how
it came up something somebody, somehow I realized that you
had gotten that part. It was like, no way, but
what happened to that? By the way, it was a
huge deal. It was actually pretty crazy the studio. UM,
(38:51):
I wanted to stand up. God, you guys. This was
in the era prime time Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, mandyre
and they wanted to do a movie about a young
pop star, and the idea was so weirdly foreshadowing that
this girl kind of has like a nervous breakdown on
tour and decides to in disguise all all the movies
(39:15):
where cooking glasses, go home and go to school, like
in her hometown, but just disguised as not herself. And
it was a really rigorous process. The auditions were crazy,
and it was at MGM, and they wanted to do
a movie with two options, meaning two sequels contracted, and
(39:39):
they wanted a six album record deal, and they were
going to try to stand up an in house record
label with this movie. So imagine in two thousand one
or two, I don't know, I feel it was going
(39:59):
to be the next Brittany. It was like, you don't
even understand it. I was like working with high hat.
I was working with the best choreographers in the music business,
like recording music and dancing my face off, and but
it was gonna be to stand up the label and
do the movie and then launch a tour and like
do a full thing. It was a sixty five million
(40:21):
dollar project. It was a star making machine. It was
a huge, huge deal, and and they they like something
something changed hands. I remember at the studio and then
there was a whole conversation where like they couldn't get
that much money. I mean, she's just so much money. Yeah,
(40:42):
and they it all sort of felt superheroes, but it
all basically came apart in the technicalities of them trying
to launch a record label and movie and it's a
lot of spinning play. It's like, I get a lot
of spinning plates. But god, I got such a good
(41:03):
time like working on it for that. But hold on
a second, Like, when are you going to put out
an album? Because those skills don't disappear? Guys, are we
going to start a girl group? Let's just do it.
Let's just do everything, Like what else are we doing?
You know, let's just start a girl group. Yeah, we
don't have enough things to do. We should absolutely write
(41:24):
a record. We're so bored. We have so much time.
Good can you imagine, guys, we gotta we gotta get
in a van, put a camera in there and hit
the road. Yeah, well that's our next gig. Don't we
kids coming to an arena near you? It's going to
be fan draft talking about musicians? Can we talk about
(41:48):
our sweet sweet bran Greenberg singing Elliott Smith and the
reveal of baby Jenny. Yeah, he's so good in this
episode because he's so natural. Yeah he was. He was
a fully formed adult, you know, like I felt like
I was still like, you know, molding myself, and Greenberg
(42:08):
just showed up and he's like, I went to n
y U. I'm good at this watch. It was like, oh, yeah,
you want me to be quiet and be having an
internal dialogue with myself and then you need me to sing, Yeah,
I can do that. He was like the Lucas. Yes,
oh my god, yes he was real Lucas Greenberg totally
(42:30):
is real life Lucas. Yeah. God, his reveal is great
the way he doesn't treat Brooke badly, but he also
knows how to move past like he's a nice boy,
which is why it was so like, wait, what that
he had a kid, Because on television at that point
(42:50):
like fast kids, bad kids, We're the ones that had
children in high school. And so to see like the lovable,
you know, philosophical jock as the person with the baby
was like, what, that's crazy talk. I've never seen anything
like that. I hadn't either. I thought it was such
(43:12):
a great opportunity to just as that storyline goes on
to just see you know, consequences of different you know,
consequences of your actions when you're in high school. And
but it wasn't like shamed or harped on where he
was like embarrassed or it was just like about here's
(43:33):
the situation where and how do we treat each other right?
And that is something I could so get behind. It's
just such a beautiful message. And I loved that he
carried that storyline so beautifully and there was something so special.
And you guys pointed this out when we were watching it,
in the moment where you know, he's singing and it's
revealed that it's him, and then you realize he has
(43:55):
this baby and he's putting his little girl to bed,
and then Nay and walks in and finds Brooke like
passed out, and you guys like almost made me cry
just observing like they're just two little girls who need
a parent to put them to bed. But Brooke doesn't
have parents, there was no one to put her to bed.
It just that crushed me. Crush. Yeah, that was really
(44:20):
hard to watch, and it was you know, we had
sharp editors on the show. That is, I believe in
the power of the edit and and I do because
we didn't shoot those things at the same time. I
don't know that they were in that sequential order in
the script, but to put them back to back that
(44:41):
way with those camera moves, it was done intentionally without
making the audience feel like they're being beat over the
head with it. Yeah, you were just somebody's little girl.
We have to talk about the kiss. Oh God, to
talk about kiss. Was that it was a little I
(45:05):
felt robbed. I have to say. I mean, all this
build up, but it felt like it was too soon.
But maybe that's because we're binging and not watching it
week to week to week. I mean, binging isn't like
every few days we're doing this, so so maybe for
the audience it didn't feel that soon, but it felt
very sudden to me. Um. Also, maybe just because I'm
(45:26):
an adult and I'm like just like moving way too fast. Um. Sorry, No,
I just want to say, like I felt a little
robbed that with all the build up, the kiss was
like so it was forced, it was hard, it was
made it happen. Yeah, it was. I didn't get that
soft romantic moment because it's not a soft romantic moment,
(45:50):
you know. That is um That's something that I have
struggled with watching a lot of teenage movies, teenage TV
and stuff like at is that you see teenagers going
into romantic moments like adults would like I'm going to
move in real slow and I'm gonna kiss you real
(46:10):
gentle and hold your face. And that's bulls, you guys,
it's just total bullshit, Like you're gonna like knock teeth,
You're gonna like, you know, Peyton is kissed, You're right,
because she's mad that her friend is being a real
asshole in front of everyone and forcing her hand and
her ex boyfriend has been a nightmare and it's just like,
you know what, fine, everybody here, like that's what she's saying.
(46:35):
And it's not until later where Lucas comes and finds
her that I think she feels guilty about like the
show of it all, you know, which is why the
invitation to like sit on the swing and then go
kissing Nathan's parents room. You know, it's a little bit
of an olive branch, but it's still you it's still
(46:58):
a vindictive move because she's purposely taking Lucas into Dan
Scott's bedroom two turner nose up at the power structure
in this little town. And so I was for that,
Like that made perfect sense. That felt like something that
a sixteen year old girl would do, you know, like
the hell with the patriarchy, you know, I'll do what
(47:20):
I want. Um, But with this guy that she really liked.
But yeah, but I she had a hard time accessing
that vulnerability. I thought it was enough that they could
just like stand there and like kiss right or stand
there and like open mouth kiss if you're gonna like
you know, yeah, I was in high school. The first
(47:40):
time you kissed a boy like that? Was it like
you you'd make out for like twenty minutes. Cool, Okay,
I'll see you on Monday. It's cool. The way it
was written was very graphic, um, which made me nervous
because it was like you couldn't question it because it's like, well,
this is what's written out. So we have to get
the shot of you on buttoning his shirt, and we
(48:01):
have to get the shot of you kissing down his chest.
And so Chad was cool to like leave a like
a like a white tank top on underneath his button
up shirt. So I wasn't just like kissing his bare body,
because that's weird. We'd all known each other for like
a couple of months, maybe a couple week, and it's
high school. It's not hard about the example we were
(48:21):
setting for other young girls. I was so whacked out
about it, you guys, like so whacked out about it
because they wanted me like kissing all the way down
his body down to like his belt and undoing his
Like I don't know that you see it, but I
had to undo his belt, and so Robbie McNeil, our director,
knew that. I was very concerned, and I was like,
I'll give you like two takes, three takes, Max, but
(48:45):
I'm not doing this all night, Like this is inappropriate
if you can't catch it. Like and I like, looking back,
if I heard a little twenty one year old on
set being like you get two takes, I'd be like,
this little monster is bossy. But I just really didn't
want to do it, and I was so nervous, and
so I went back to the hair and makeup trailer.
My manager, Meg was in town for this who I'm
(49:07):
still with, and she I mean, I was like crying
in my trailer. I'm like, I don't want to do this.
I'm just so it feels dirty. It feels like they're
trying to sex everything up because Brooks being so weird
in this episode, Like everything just feels so heightened, and
they really like turned it up to a tent out
of nowhere. It just you know, they got to know
(49:28):
from the network, Yeah, that's it. So I went into
the hair and makeup trailer and they're like cleaning me
up because I've gotten upset, you know, and Joe Joe
our hairdressers like yo, girl, hold on one second, and
I was like okay, And we had a bottle of
grapefruit vodka on ice and we all and so all
the women in the trailer got together and they're like
(49:51):
you may feel like you're in on this like all
by yourself, but we are here. We're standing right behind
the monitor like cheers to you being a bad as kiddo,
and like we all did this shot together. Meg was like,
I've never done that on a set before, you know.
And it was such a moment of sisterhood that really
solidified my friendships behind the camera because I knew we
(50:13):
were going to have to continue to do stuff that
felt weird. I feel like a prostitute right, Like it
was the first moment that I was really like, I'm
kissing someone for money. I'm getting paid to do this
like performative like I don't want to do. Yeah, it
was just it. There's a morality thing where you're like,
oh my god, am I a sex worker in two
(50:37):
thousand three? Um? And and so knowing that there was
this kind of army of women that were like, you
can come here, like we'll take care of you. Um,
made it a much safer space. Meanwhile, Chad's like, were
you drinking like a professional? I I think about how
(51:00):
some of those like rituals and support systems are so
meaningful in those arenas, And I mean I even remember,
I just remember feeling so grateful, like in between takes
doing that party stuff that we were like like in
the corner because it felt it feels horrible to have
(51:24):
to behave in a way you don't want to behave,
and whether that's like having to be physically intimate with
someone because your characters are intimate or like I struggled
so much with this idea of Brooke, regardless of what
the motivations were, and thank god we found out about
them eventually, but her being a mean girl, like it
(51:46):
was so awful, and and being able to have space
all of us together to like really separate out that
energy from like you're saying, what we were doing behind
the scenes, I mean our hair and makeup trailer was
that was like Shangri law man. We were We had
(52:06):
a lot of fun in there and there. Yeah, like,
We're so lucky that we got to have that. It's
about finding your safe space. Yeah, And it makes me
now want to create that for the on the next
show that I'm on. I want to create that for
the younger women that come in. That is such a
Southern thing too, by the way, like the Southern hospitality
(52:30):
and women just surrounding each other with support. I wish
that I had been in a different space in my
life at the time where I could have accepted a
lot more of that and been open, because I feel
like I was. I received the least of that because
I I pushed it all away because I didn't trust
a lot of people just because of my own issues
(52:51):
and the stuff I had going on in my life.
But you know, so I love hearing that that was
happening for you guys, and it makes me excited to
like find a way to create that in the next
space that I get to go into. You know. Well,
that's why I'm so grateful that we have this. Yeah,
like oh yeah, now like we've made it all the
broads have reached out and been like, yo, girl, would
(53:14):
you want somebody to come on and talk about some
real dirt will come on? Which I think having our
crew gals on, it's like y'all are excited for the
actors to come on. Jojo and Jane Beck getting on
this show space danger. Yeah, well, guys, should we should
we spin the wheel? Should think most likely to need
(53:40):
a theme song for this? We need a jingle? Oh boy? Alright?
Most likely to get back with their back at their
ex not it friends. I mean I think prior to
this episode we would have said it would be Peyton,
right because her and Nathan so off and on through
(54:03):
high school. Yes, agreed, but no, I think Nathan Nathan
was most likely to get back with his eggs. Yeah,
because he was sort of like wherever this is Feasily
Norris's point, invert, invert the way we talk about it. Yeah,
(54:23):
these girls are just so amazing but everyone wants to
be with them forever. Listen, we can't help this. Okay,
so Nathan, but who like in real life it's part
of our cast. Let's see who was real just sentimental?
It's you know, everyone's like married now with kids, so
we can't say it like, um yeah, I don't know.
(54:51):
Most likely to get back together with their Did anyone
get back together with an X on the show? I'm
trying to think it's like everybody kissed everybody it was
finably have a habit of breaking up and getting back
together with the same people for I've only done that.
It's because you're sympathetic. Joy, It's because you like believe.
I'm like, once you're dead to me, you're dead to
me forever. I'm never gonna look at you again, you monster.
(55:15):
Um yeah, alright, Look, don't know. I'm good with Nathan.
I think Nathan is a good I think that's a
solid choice. Okay, done and done questions or anything, you guys.
I love the fan questions. We're getting the nicest messages
on like in like our d M s and stuff.
(55:39):
Mandy wants to know, how did you each feel about
the lack of parental guidance each of your characters had,
which we kind of touched on. I never really paid
much attention to it as a teenager, but now it
really breaks my heart that none of your characters had
parents in the first few seasons and mostly went to
Karen when you needed a parent, Yeah, it's true, or
Karen having to do with all our crap, or Hayley.
(56:00):
They went to Hayley all the time. Yeah, I was
always trying to clean up. I feel like you should
have just been able to be a kid, damn it.
You know, I think that, um, so much of my
real life identity was formed by having all these boundaries,
Like I was the kid that had the earliest curfew,
and I wasn't allowed to go out of a ten
(56:22):
mile radius from my parents house, and you know, on
on New Year's even why two K I was supposed
to be in the basement with the family, like bunking down,
And my big rebellion was that I went to my
best friend's party. You know, those boundaries defined me, and
so it was very difficult for me to portray not
(56:44):
one not to but like multiple kids that didn't have
that at all. It just feel weird. Yeah, I think
that worked for the for the for the show though,
I mean the show about kids and what we're going through,
and I think we had somebody that represent it um
in some ways, like a piece of something that everybody
(57:05):
could relate to in their part of life, having a parent,
not having a parent coming from a big family, having
a parent that was gone, having a parent that was absent,
having a parent that was very present, having parents that
were present but emotionally absent. The boys had parents, do
you feel at all like they knew how to right
for boys and parental figures, but they just didn't understand
(57:26):
how girls work in that capacity could be. I think
they probably didn't understand, and to be frank, I don't
think they cared. I think they planned on, you know,
a show about brothers where the girls were kind of accessories,
and the fans really loved the girls the show, identifying
(57:50):
with us thank you, and I think very quickly because
I remember a story about one of our boss is
going in and to really like wiping off stuff on
the board and putting girls names up on the board,
like more of this, and I think we kind of
(58:11):
took them by surprise. And I think and like, I
think that it was fat enough identity for them. Um.
And I think that then there's the practicality. You know,
we all now have directed and produced and we know
(58:31):
what the behind the scenes stuff is. I think there
was the practicality of oh, we've got like ten people
in a cast, we can't hire another eight parents. So
you know, I think they were like, we'll get there eventually,
but more actors are expensive. Well, we bring in parents later,
(58:52):
and you know, we find out more about that. It's
a slow burn. I want to do this next question
because I think something that like there's a bell going
off for me. We have a question from Audrey that
says you thought Peyton was the villain, right, which I did.
I was told like, oh, she's super unliked. Um, But
especially in episode seven, Brooke comes out as the villain.
(59:12):
The way she treats Peyton and even Haley, who she
didn't really know yet, is the complete opposite of what
was introduced before. It feels like she's just being mean
to be mean. And then she goes on to ask
when you were filling these episodes, did you feel like
this was something that made sense for her to do? Well, no,
but like bells are going off, now in knowing that
they were concerned about the audience not liking Peyton, did
(59:36):
Brooke get thrown under the bus in order to like
get the fans to like move. I think it made
the most sense for Brooke to be the stir of
the episode. I think like there was no other option.
I think it's probably a little bit of both. I
mean there's a business element to every decision they made
(59:57):
about us. Yes, yeah, and it is a one eight
you know, we just established in the last episode, like
throwing pom poms at each other, like oh my god,
I love you so much, and it's like, yeah, I
think it went more extreme than it might have perhaps
um to help shift some of that. And I think
(01:00:22):
I do think that Brook made sense to be the
ship ster and and wear that red dress. They took
it so far wolf literal devil in the red dress
and the matching red earrings and red lists so much
red just redde My hair weirdly got really red in
(01:00:43):
this episode, Like walking through the quad, I was like, whoa,
what is what's happening there? So yeah, I would imagine
it's a little bit of both. UM. But I think
that interestingly, whether it was device or not taking her
so far, kind of seeing how far she might go
(01:01:06):
in the acting out gave us a an eventual space
to talk about, like what happens to kids when they
have absentee parents? You know, how do you try to
establish an identity when you don't even have a fully
developed prefrontal cortex? Like you don't know anything. That's our
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the brain developed in Brooke Davis. God bless you, Sophia.
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Queen's Drama Queens. Hey, welcome back episode seven. Thanks for
joining us. This is Drama Queens. We are talking about
episode seven of One Tree Hill, Life in a Glass House.
Air date November four, two thousand and three. The synopsis
of this episode is, this is the night that Dan
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and Deb's annual basketball appreciation party, which what spurs old
memories and new feeling feelings. Can we start by saying,
though that Joy wanted to retitle this episode lamps. I
was fan out there to watch this episode and count
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how many freaking lamps. I don't understand. Why is it?
Is it always in every episode and I'm just seeing
it now. I don't know. This felt real lamp heavy.
Karen's Cafe was like lamp like, I don't need what's
the word like? Lamp perfect? Don't go there to hang out,
like going in like a like a cool, quirky old
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vintage store where there's just like lamps for sale everywhere,
except it's supposed to be a business. Lamps everywhere, every
ambient lighting in this episode, which is good because we
had some big feelings. You don't want to have big
feelings and like overhead lighting that's gross. No there, you
know what. Look, let's talk about the big star of
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the episode, brook right, because this was Brooks episode fully,
Brooks episode, um, and I have all kinds of questions
about her motivation and what she was dealing with and
like why did she I mean, okay, my first well, okay,
how did we start the beginning or do we just
dive into like get in, just dig in. What's great
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about this is that Brooke is really pushing the story
forward in so many ways, because the last episode that
we saw was kind of as we discussed, a reintroduction
of a lot of the characters and the dynamics and
just reminding everyone where we all are. But we needed
something to start pushing everything in a new direction. And
they were, like the writers I guess just were like,
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Brooke Brooks got to do it, and so you know,
we were all like, but nothing would have happened if
Brooke hadn't gotten in there and started moving everything around.
But I was kind of shocked for the for the
loyal friend that Brooke has established herself to be, that
she would suddenly the manipulating everything so that she could
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get time with she could get lucas and get paid
and out of the way. Um, I don't know, can
you just tell us a little bit about where you
were with her? Then? Yeah? I mean god, I just like,
so cringe e this whole episode. It's cringe e for you.
Oh yeah, I hated this. You gotta shake it off.
It's not real, baby, It's not real. I know, I
still hate it. I'm just like, oh god, so atrocious. Um.
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But you know, you bring up a great point because
Brooke is a device in this episode, and that's something
you know, we talked about this a few episodes back,
how sometimes you have to suspend disbelief. Um, sometimes you
have to do things you may not necessarily agree with
to drive the story. So I understood that Brooke was
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sort of Yeah, she was like a big shiny red
truck in this episode. Literally, but what kind of truck
is the question. I mean, I'm I'm thinking like a
really shiny mac truck, like something that really yeah, yeah,
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like sparkly red paint um. But that was the thing
I needed to wrap my head around. And and also
such an interesting thing. You know, this was our seventh episode,
This was my seventh episode ever as an actor on television,
and and to be a kid and to really be
bothered by my character's behavior. But also have you know
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our creators and the director say you you are the
literal embodiment of a pot stir in this episode. We
need the drama, we need the tension. What I had
to lean into to make it makes sense. Bridging that
gap was figuring out where her motivation came from. You know,
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thinking about being a sixteen year old girl and really
having a crush on someone who you're afraid might like
your best friend, your best friend who already has a boyfriend,
and and the only place you've ever been taught to
feel good about yourself is when you're getting validated by
other people's attention. Like that was Brooks whole thing. Yeah,
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Like it was the only thing that mattered in her household,
in this place, in that world, and so I really
had to try to motivate this bad behavior by a
desperate need for someone to say I pick you, and
she never got it. So it was it was an
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episode where she just kept getting rejected and then you know,
kept drinking her sorrows away and just like really, by
the end of it, had embarrassed herself and I felt terrible.
I feel terrible even thinking about it now. But okay,
so let's be real here though, because we've established backstory
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that we've never gotten to see the Peyton and Nathan
do they all the time, all the time, right, So
it kind of isn't so bad when you take that
into consideration, because it's like, here we go again, I
had to make this happen faster this time, this for
the nineteenth time this year. It softens the blow a
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little bit. Well, you're right, and and there is a
real moment where you actually see Brooks feelings when Peyton
and Nathan are talking and you're you're both basically like
but out you're being horrible, and she's kind of that
is the thing of like, you guys, please do this.
And then in that moment when she realizes Peyton might
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actually like Lucas and isn't using him as a pond
to make Nathan jealous. And maybe everything is much less
stable than Brooke understands in this high school world of
roles and behaviors that she's come to understand how to
be a part of. You know that that that made
me so sad when I looked at you and said,
or you, I didn't realize you were in my way?
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Or are you finally Adah was But like when we
were in high school for real, okay, my friends and
I would kiss the same boys and like then call
each other on the phone later and laugh about Like
there was one weekend where we all kissed Jimmy a scene.
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You know, Jimmy A scene had like a pickup truck
and it would pull up in front of your house,
and if your dad didn't chase him off with a
baseball bat like mine, you'd go out. You'd kiss Jimmy
a scene and come back in and then you call
your froll area and he's going to die when he
knows that I've called him out. But everyone kissed Jimmy,
And so it makes sense to me because that was
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my real life experience that it's like, oh yeah, we
like the same kinds of boys. Like we all like
loved Josh Hartnett and Heath Ledger in high school, you
know what I mean. So, like we all love the
same kind of boys, it makes sense that Peyton and
Brooke would like the same boys. And and it's a
it's a playful competition until that moment where it's not,
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and then it's like, oh I might have caught failings.
That's embarrassing, you know. Yeah, this is the episode where
everyone's feelings feel very real, really real, and her Yeah,
oh man, I liked I just liked this for Brooke.
I know you're cringe e. But for me as an
actor looking at this, it's such a good build up
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for where she's going, for understanding the complexities I mean,
talk about a multidimensional character, um, which again a testament
to you as an actress, because it would have been
really easy to just play it on that one level. Um,
But you really see Brooks cry for help, um, just
wanting a parent and wanting like I mean, now that
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we know who Victoria is, like makes perfect sense, It
totally does. So I really liked this episode for a
brook a lot. It was it was a moment you
just loved it. You love to hate. It's like, no, no,
don't do it because you love her. So it's kind
of okay that she's being so insane. Um, let's get
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into the haley of it. Although, because the girl like,
be careful, be careful, be careful, is the most irritating
ship in the world when you're here. Yeah, yeah, but
sometimes you should tell you to be careful. And you're
young and you don't know what you're doing in relationships.
That's right, that's right, girl. You know, girls, it's hard
to know. It's hard to know. Listen if there if
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you have three friends that say red flag rule of Um,
it's a red flag. You know. One friend could be manipulative,
two friends could be colluding, three friends. That's the girl. Girl.
It's a nice goal post because you're right, one person
could be projecting their own experience onto your experience, you know.
But when a collective of people, when there's a vote, yeah,
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it's hard to listen to you though. I mean that
for all of my major relationships, I had people, UM,
tell me red red flag. I'm concerned, I'm concerned. Are
you sure? Are you sure? And I was just so
stubborn and you know, determined that like I knew, I
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just knew what I was doing. You know, fairy tales. Joy,
we're fed the fairy tales where it's like Beauty and
the Beast. You know, we are told from a very
young age like you can fix them, this will be
a fun project, and then you'll be the boss. Then
you'll be the queen because you did the hard thing,
you know. And so in this episode, all the girls
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are kind of battling with that their versions of fairy tales.
You know, you kiss, you kiss the prince and it's
not happily ever after. Then he gets weird and starts
talking about forever, you know, like like what's happening? That's yeah,
that is a great point. And you know what's interesting,
Joys Like, as you're saying that, I'm going the same,
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my face is very yep. And And what's interesting about
it is that, in a way, I think about it
in particular for the three of us going through those
real life trials and tribulations together while selling a fairy
tale on screen. Yeah, like you had Nathan and Haley
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on screen, Yes, and people used to come up I
mean fans would come up to me all the time.
And say I just hope one day I have a
relationship like Nathan and Haley. And I was like, I
don't want to burst your bubble. But I'm also thinking
that's not it doesn't exist as it was written by
writers in a in a studio. But I mean, I
don't know, there's also they went through their own, their
own trials. I think it was the concept of sticking,
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sticking through it together no matter what. Doesn't he kidnapped
at some point, like you said, come on, like, yes, obviously,
I can't wait for that future one day if Jeffrey
ever gets kidnapped, you know, but it's true you need
your friends. I mean, I was remember that guy I
was engaged to, and I didn't know we were going
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to be allowed to talk about that because we all
did it. I know we all did, but Moira was
so worried about me. She was like rounding up people
like this is not good. Yeah, no, he can't come
in the trailer. I feel like he was banned from
the hair and makeup trailer. He might have been, I
don't know. I mean, you know whatever, he's a sweet
guy and I obviously have no hard feelings, but like,
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and I'm I'm glad that that one didn't work out.
And you know, I've now I have my daughter and
lots of other amazing things happened in my life. But um,
I mean, we we make mistakes because we're like trying
to figure it out, and you need friends around you
to tell you sorry, Sophia, me to cut you off.
You know. By the way, I'm just thrilled we're talking
about this. I didn't know what. You know. What I
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think about two is how desperately we all wanted to
prove that we were these like professional adults, and the
easiest way to do that when you're twenty two is
to be like, look at me, I'm gonna grown up relationship,
and I've signed the lease and I've bought real furniture
that didn't you know, it didn't come out of a box.
Like yeah, we were all like trying to establish our things.
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And I have to tell you the sweetest thing that
Leonorris said to me years ago that I really think
applies to all of us. When I realized that, you know,
we've all been asked big questions by men, we decided
we're not our people. Lee said to me. He was like,
you know, It's really interesting how guys can like date
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all their dream girls before they settle down and people
say good for you, but you ladies get get treated
like you don't deserve the same Oh my god, process
of kind of try figuring it out. And he said,
I wish I don't know if he even remember this.
We were like a little tipsy and having a very
emotional conversation about our friendship, and he said, I wish
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that for you, and I apply this to all of
us rather than people saying like judging your personal life.
Our personal lives. People were like, wow, they must be
so special that all these guys have tried to get
them to marry them, right, Like that was his whole
thing is he was just engagements. I'm like, what y'all
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do with your rings? Like where are they? Do you
have a box? Like yeah, no, I've got a box,
I've got a I've got a treasure trove. But that
makes so much sense. It's like you look at the
clonies of the world. Yeah, and they are just so
lauded for like, oh, well they've been with everyone and
they found the one but a girl that until she
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was perfect and it's like, well, we didn't set it
either what's happening? Yeah, yeah, guys were so fabulous. People
want to marry us. That's all what I'm saying, you know,
So congrats to your first fiance, Joy, Thank you. Yes,
he saw, he always knew he was the practice fiance
in the future. I think maybe we should just buy
jewelry for each other and be a little more picky
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with men. That would be recommendation to all the young
women listening, like give jewelry to your friends and be patient.
Romantic friendships are the best because all of the riff
raff that goes along with the romances taken out. You
don't have to put out. It's like, nothing weird. It's
just a beautiful meals with each other. Romantic friendships so
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the way to go. I remember years ago I took
a fabulous trip to Europe with a really good friend
of mine and she'd like had a really rough time
and had lost her job, and um, I was just
trying to figure out what was next, and I was like,
you're coming on this trip with me, and on this trip,
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I'm your platonic husband. I'm paying for everything. And we
went out to like fancy dinners and had champagne, and
we had this like fabulous time and we just cackled
laughing about how we were probably having a better time
than so many of the couples around. So yeah, I'm
a big fan of a of an in love platonic friendship.
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Lucas and Haley have like a really lovely platonic friendship
that I I can't understand why they never hooked you
too up because the chemistry is there. But that moment
at the end, even the moment at the beginning where
Lucas tells her it's okay, like I get it. You know,
those moments that you two keep sharing with one another,
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there's a physical proximity that tells the story of how
long you guys have been friends, because that's not you know,
when you talk close, when you touch another person in
your teenage years. That's an intimacy that is so lovely
in friendship but also like rare between boys and girls.
So yeah, I love that they never took it into
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romance territory. But but boy, it looked like it came
close in this episode. It seemed like they could have
grown up and been a good match for each other
as adults. Maybe you know, um, but you know, a
lot of people don't know this. Actually, I don't know
if you guys know this. But when I first got
to Wilmington's and we were filming our first episode, we
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there was some uh party at the beach. I don't
remember whose house it was. It might have been James's
house or something, but when all the boys rented the
house together, yeah, yeah, every so I went, and Um,
you were there too, So I don't know if you
don't remember if you were there or not, Hillary, But
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it was late and and I was out on the
roof because I'm such an intro this is what I
do at parties, Like I hang out and then I'm like, oh,
there's too many people, and I go stand in the
bathroom for twenty minutes by myself. So there was a
window open and a rooftop, so I went out on
the roof and I was sitting out there and just
kind of like taking a deep breath and and getting
some fresh air. And um and Chad came out and
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sat down next to me. And we hadn't really gotten
a chance to spend time together at all. I mean,
we had our screen test and then you know, ran
into each other and hallways and things. But we said
and we sat down the roof and we just were
like hanging out talking about life, talking about our friends
and people that we had grown up with. And my
best friend at the time from high school had been
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a boy, and so I was really comfortable having that
sort of platonic friendship. It didn't feel weird or awkward
to me. And and I just remember that that set
a tone for us. Uh And we sat out there
for like an hour just talking, and it really set
a foundation for us on set in the future at
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from that point forward that like we he was always
he always just felt like my like my little brother,
you know what I mean. He was like always goofy
and like messing around, I'm doing prank and all this stuff.
But but um, I really cared about him. I really like,
I really had a big heart for him from that
just that one night sitting out, I was like, Oh,
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you know, buddy, that's buddy. He had his dog living
in that house. You know what is also so sweet
about thinking about that, I feel like I can picture it.
I remember that house. All those boys we went to
garden the front yard of that house. So just for
you guys at home. All the boys so like um Brett,
clay Well and James and Chad and did did anyone
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else in that house with them? I did leave there.
I don't think he did because he was going back
and forth from Weak Forest. Maybe. I think there was
one other guy. There's maybe one of the basketball players.
But they all rented this house at the beach together,
and it was not like a beach house. It was
made of old brick, had like gargoyles and everything, so
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it was always dark inside. Yes, it was architecturally the
weirdest thing I've ever seen on the beach match anything else.
And we went to the hardware store one day. We
were like, these boys need to get it together, and
we we planted plants. We put flos and the stone,
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but they didn't have any like plants. So the police
looked terrified. They looked haunted, looked super haunted. But it's
so sweet because I remember that, and I remember like
all of us kind of milling around trying to figure
out what was going on, and picturing you two having
that conversation. It makes me think about that sweet last
scene in the episode where Haley's crying and Lucas comes
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and sits next to her, and and I will say
I always had those those moments watching it, being like,
this is going to be the moment when they kiss.
But I love in hindsight that they never crossed the
boundary for the characters, because you guys were able to
model a genuine, when kind friendship between a teenage boy
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and a teenage girl, and that was really rare. That
was really rare on TV that that people didn't, you know,
cross a hormonal line at one point or another. And
you guys show that lasted nine years too. You know,
you'd think at some point, yeah, but you know, so
the scene where we uh, I go to his bedroom
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and I'm like tying the tie. So I had to
learn how to tie a tie. I never had, don't
you know. It's it's harder, It's it was harder. I mean,
I'm glad I did it on my neck and then
put it on him because we originally it was originally
blocked so that he would stand in front of the
closet mirror or whatever the where of the mirror was,
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and I was going to come up behind him and
tie the tie around his neck and it was your house.
I could not figure it out. It was so awkward.
So we were just like, Okay, just put it around
your neck and tie it on your own neck and
then put it on him. So that's that worked. Um.
But that was the first watching that episode, this was
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the first time I really saw Haley as um she's
like a little mini adult, like really just try if.
She was actually so much more confident than I actually
was because I was a mini adult, but I was
a mini adult facade, deeply insecure on the inside. And
it was cool to see Haley like she was. She
was kind of badass. She was a tough girl. She
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was really quick in this episode, like the stuff in
the car with Peyton, you know, all her like quips
with you know, Nathan, with everybody. She's so fast, which
is counter to Peyton, who is like sullen and very
slow and very like I'm going to take my time.
But I don't know that she's quippy in these first
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few episodes. It's like there's at least in her conversations
with Haley, it's like I'm going to take the slow
beat because I'm admitting something that is not comfortable, and
Hayley is so sharp and truss Haley. Um, it seems
to trust Haley. I think Peyton is like one of
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those kids. I remember seeing like an episode of Law
and Order s VU where there was like a girl
that had been abused when she was younger. So the
result as an adult was that she latched onto people
really fast and like it was like, do you love me?
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you like a really important
piece of me, and I'm just going to trust that
you don't mess it up. And of course, like everybody
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messes it up. I think Peyton does that. It's like,
I do you want to know my deepest, darkest secrets?
I know we just met. You know there's a there's
like an abused kid syndrome in there um and so yeah,
I think she very quickly is like, well Brooks being weird?
Are you my it's that book? Are you my mother?
Are you my best friend friend? Are you my best friend?
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My friend? Yeah? We're all that way though. When we're little,
aren't we like? Are you? Is it you? Are we
gonna be friends still? We're ninety? Is it you? Maybe?
And I think especially for kids, and I think this
is something that you know, Brooke and Peyton in particular
shared was the narrative of absent parents, you know, like Haley.
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We didn't see the family, but it was known that
Haley came from this big family and everyone really loved
each other. And and with Peyton's mom having passed and
dad always being away and Brooks parents like always being
on a business trip and her just being alone, you know,
it's no wonder that each of us is seeking safety
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and validation somewhere. You're trying to figure out where you
can have a safe friendship. And I'm like, if I
could just get a boy to love me, then maybe
I would be okay. If I can just get a
boy to love me. The other comfort thing in this,
you know, for people who are adrift, like the girls are. Karen,
who has seemingly been a drift in her own hometown
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for the last sixteen seventeen years. Running into Whitey at
the party and him reminding her of the girl she
was and like being looking proud of you was such.
It was a really lovely moment. I loved that they
had the sense to put in his dialogue a reference
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to how happy it's been making him to see her
at the gym again, you know, watching Yuka's play because
it it makes you realize that even though as an
audience we haven't seen them have a moment at a
basketball game, it gives you the emotional payoff of learning
that Whitey has been tracking Karen being there and it's
so it's just lovely. And the compliment that he gives
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her about raising a good young man. Yeah, I mean
that's as a mom, like when you're somebody comes up
and tells you, like, hey, you did a really good
job your kids amazing. It's like, there's no there's no
greater compliment you could possibly give me. Do you guys
stay in touch with your teachers? Do you talk to
your teachers? No? Do you? Oh? My god, my favorite teachers.
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That's awesome. It's I just did assume. Okay, let me
tell you a little trick. All the teachers are parts
of book clubs, right or they have like they don't
call them drinking clubs, but they're drinking. I know what
you guys are up to. And it's like they all
have their once a month meeting where they meet at
a winery and they like discuss a topic. And so
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because everyone's been doing it over Zoom, I did a
meeting with like my teachers from fourth grade through graduation,
and just like wept the whole time because these people,
they don't they don't. Maybe they do understand that they're
like your parents for a little while, you know, like
they shape you in a way that's forever um and
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you know you want to just like then pick their
brain about everything. Ever. And so I love that Whitey
is that person in our show. I wish we had
more teachers like that in our show because like my
English teacher, my US History teachers, my government teacher, like
all those teachers were so vital, and we've got Whitey,
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but like we could have done more. We could have
had a chick teacher. That would have been cool. It
would have been nice. Hayley became that later, yeah for sure,
but it would have been nice to see that influence.
It would have been nice to see that influence in
her life. Yeah, especially to know who made her so
passionate about tutoring and everything would have been yeah, yeah,
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what's the backstory? Did you make one up? Did you?
I might have? I don't know. I just figured like
she's really smart and she likes helping people, and especially
as a sibling in a in a big family. You
get used to learning how to help and lend, lend
a hand and all the time. So it probably was
super second nature to her, and she could make some money.
Kids from big families. It's like, sorry, kids, I don't
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have my I can't give you guys all an allowance,
like go get a job. So tracks I like that
she's an entrepreneur, Like, yeah, can we talk about deb
and Karen more of this? I love this relationship. This
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dynamic is so great. I wonder if they planned that
all along or if they just saw like how Moira
and Barbara were playing it, and they were like, Okay,
we'll do this. You know so much that season one
was fly by the seat of our pants because all
the stuff that they had planned kind of got thrown
out the window because now we were in competition with
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all these other team dramas like the O C. And
it was like, what was some of the stuff they
had planned? Do you know the things? Baby? All I
know is that everything was supposed to be narrated by
why are you talking to Camilla? It was supposed to
be eight mile is what I was told, and so
kind of these more like juicy dramatic narratives were you know,
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I think the element of having like two sexy moms
became a thing because Desperate Housewives was a very big
show and moms on the c were super sexy, and
so they're like, well, let's bring in these like hot
moms that then become friends and then later can be
friend of mees, you know, that building that arc. But
watching these two women work together, it's like, why would
(29:31):
we ever split this up? These two are well, they
have such great chemistry, you know, and and to see
that and to see the the gentle nature that they
both apply to what could be a very fraud interaction,
it's just so good. I want more of it all
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the time. And to watch Dan Scott, it makes them
and he can't it's so genuine what he's seeing that
he's frozen and he can't like interject with some shitty quip.
You know, why do you think he didn't rush over
there to break it a stop it? Why why did
he walk away? He actually made the choice to we
(30:13):
have to ask Paul this when we have on this show,
because it's such a that's kind of a really big
moment to just leave them alone instead of trying interject
got out gamed, deb out gamed him. I'm telling you, man,
she wears the pants and yeah, for sure it's it's
this is her punishment for his behavior at that party
(30:33):
last week. You know, it's like, you know what, you
embarrassed me, you misbehaved. I am going to make an
example out of you this party and now all your
friends are going to watch me not only invite them,
but give them preferential treatment while they're here. You know.
It's it's also leading by example. I mean, it's a
(30:54):
power player, but like you were saying when we were watching,
there's an element of leading by example that she does
that is really nice to see. Instead of typical television
everybody loves Raymond housewives where they're just barking orders and
always telling him what's wrong and what's doing. Why can't
you just be nice? You know? You know, so what
(31:18):
is it like Archie Bunker and the Honeymooners and stuff.
It's nice to see a wife that is she's just
being herself, she's got boundaries and she's leading by example.
It's a really beautiful to me. Um alright, and Beth
Crook on, Beth Crook, we all have this on our list.
You guys, we keep running lists while we're watching the episode,
and I love that we've all arrived at the Beth
(31:38):
Crookham point of our list. So, Joy, do you want
to tell everybody at home who Beth is in real life?
With Beth in real life? Well, she was one of
our producers on the show. Um though uncredited as a
producer for many, many years. Ever did she ever finally
get a producer credit? Said she was like an assistant
for you know, like a producer's assistant. She her ass off.
(32:01):
I mean she worked harder, arguably harder than several of
our producers. But Beth was I mean, she's like the
mayor of Wilming did Like, she knows everybody. She's involved
in everything. She can get you reservations, she knows everybody
that runs every restaurant. She knows that all the locations, words, councils,
whatever you want. Actress Extraordinary shows up to tell deb
(32:21):
that the pies went to. We were so excited. It
really was like shooting in a small town because had
we been in l A, have you been in New York,
you know, we wouldn't have known the day players on
the show who would come round for like five six lines.
But watching it back, we're like, oh my god, they're
(32:43):
so and so Hey, they're so so it's such a
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Beth is um a force and she would have to
do all the stuff that no one else wanted to
do with us, including a d R yes, which is
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additional dialogue record and basically set therapist, like you know,
the woman that we would all talk to about all
the craziness that was going on, and she was like
just dealing with everything. And she's an artist and she
collects art and she's like an interior designer and she
runs this charity that in Rwanda all the time. I mean,
(34:10):
what an amazing woman. We should um find a link
actually to some of the charity work that she does
so people can go check it out and support her.
But that was just so fun to see our friend.
Yeah that episode and then then you know, we get
to see again Karen uh kind of saving the day
for Deb or or did deb it was vice versa man,
(34:32):
it was partnership after you know, after the party is
like the mean moms were leaving, They're like, where were
these desserts? From? Who? I love? She had the same
haircut as Deb. Like. I love how they styled all
the cheerleaders to dress like Brooke and then they groomed
all the moms to look like that. Really smart. Also,
(34:56):
Deb's one liner speaking of her planning the perfect party
in working with Karen, when she catches Dan flirting with
that bartender and says, she's young enough to be your
daughter and in this town she might just be so good,
so good. That bartender was played by Melissa Egan. By
(35:16):
the way, who if you're a fan of Hallmark or
um we can find out some of the other stuff
that she's done she's a she's a she's a good
working actress, Missy Egan Melissa Egan. Now, um yeah, we
had a lot of a lot of people come on
our show that continued. That's really successful careers. Who's your
Who is the one that always makes you got your
head because I know who mine is. I'm like, how
(35:38):
did that person come on our show? Who? Evan Peters
on our show? Even at the time, he was like,
I don't know what I'm doing on this show. I'm
gonna go do like much cooler than this, you guys.
But it is fun seeing people kind of um like
(36:00):
learn the business and come up through the ranks, like
on a show from twenty years ago, because I did
that on Dawson's Creek, you know, like my that was
my first like what am I doing? It's fun to
see those little guest spots because you forget that everybody
has that one first job yours, Felicity was was one
(36:22):
of those. For me. I mean my first job ever
was like a dog commercial or something when I was twelve.
But yeah, in terms of shows that Charmed was another
big one. Another kind of guest spot. I feel like
a dressed as a princess and oh yeah, it was
a busty princess. I was like, it was me and
Rose McGowan having some sorcery, you know, battle. That's my belly.
(36:46):
Loved her by the way. She was so fun. She
had a wand I think I did not have a
wand I did not I had. They really made a
big deal out of my boobs in that episode, though,
Well that's exciting. Yeah, so they are they are. So
what was yours? Oh? Man? Um, my very first job,
(37:07):
I did a Kikat commercial That's how I got my
sag card. That was delicious. And then then I worked.
I did a scene in Van Wilder with Ryan Reynolds,
who literally when they were like get on your mark,
I just looked around and he was like, it's the
thing with the tape, this is how you stand about it.
And I was like, oh, you're nice. Um. And then TV,
(37:27):
right before we did our show, I did a couple
of episodes of Niptuck. Oh that's you know. They had
you pegged. Is this kind of like VAMPI character? And
I feel like when that came out it kind of
lit the fire on our show, like, oh she can
(37:48):
do that, Like that's what she does and I was like,
I don't know, no, no, I have very much more
comfortable and tomboy rolls. Please leave me alone All girls school. Yeah,
So like Brooke was really a push for me. Sophia,
you got a role that I wanted, UM, A pilot
(38:09):
a few years prior to that. It was a UM
it was like a pop star. You were some super
pop star. It was a movie, that's right. And I
remember going in for the audition and uh, Britney Spears's
name was on the call sheet like it was a
It was a big It was a big, big movie,
(38:29):
really big movie. And I found out later, I think
when we were auditioning for our show, and maybe maybe
because I met you in the lobby or something, I
probably looked you up. And I don't even know how
it came up something somebody, somehow I realized that you
had gotten that part. It was like, no way, but
what happened to that? By the way, it was a
huge deal. It was actually pretty crazy the studio. UM,
(38:51):
I wanted to stand up. God, you guys. This was
in the era prime time Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, mandyre
and they wanted to do a movie about a young
pop star, and the idea was so weirdly foreshadowing that
this girl kind of has like a nervous breakdown on
tour and decides to in disguise all all the movies
(39:15):
where cooking glasses, go home and go to school, like
in her hometown, but just disguised as not herself. And
it was a really rigorous process. The auditions were crazy,
and it was at MGM, and they wanted to do
a movie with two options, meaning two sequels contracted, and
(39:39):
they wanted a six album record deal, and they were
going to try to stand up an in house record
label with this movie. So imagine in two thousand one
or two, I don't know, I feel it was going
(39:59):
to be the next Brittany. It was like, you don't
even understand it. I was like working with high hat.
I was working with the best choreographers in the music business,
like recording music and dancing my face off, and but
it was gonna be to stand up the label and
do the movie and then launch a tour and like
do a full thing. It was a sixty five million
(40:21):
dollar project. It was a star making machine. It was
a huge, huge deal, and and they they like something
something changed hands. I remember at the studio and then
there was a whole conversation where like they couldn't get
that much money. I mean, she's just so much money. Yeah,
(40:42):
and they it all sort of felt superheroes, but it
all basically came apart in the technicalities of them trying
to launch a record label and movie and it's a
lot of spinning play. It's like, I get a lot
of spinning plates. But god, I got such a good
(41:03):
time like working on it for that. But hold on
a second, Like, when are you going to put out
an album? Because those skills don't disappear? Guys, are we
going to start a girl group? Let's just do it.
Let's just do everything, Like what else are we doing?
You know, let's just start a girl group. Yeah, we
don't have enough things to do. We should absolutely write
(41:24):
a record. We're so bored. We have so much time.
Good can you imagine, guys, we gotta we gotta get
in a van, put a camera in there and hit
the road. Yeah, well that's our next gig. Don't we
kids coming to an arena near you? It's going to
be fan draft talking about musicians? Can we talk about
(41:48):
our sweet sweet bran Greenberg singing Elliott Smith and the
reveal of baby Jenny. Yeah, he's so good in this
episode because he's so natural. Yeah he was. He was
a fully formed adult, you know, like I felt like
I was still like, you know, molding myself, and Greenberg
(42:08):
just showed up and he's like, I went to n
y U. I'm good at this watch. It was like, oh, yeah,
you want me to be quiet and be having an
internal dialogue with myself and then you need me to sing, Yeah,
I can do that. He was like the Lucas. Yes,
oh my god, yes he was real Lucas Greenberg totally
(42:30):
is real life Lucas. Yeah. God, his reveal is great
the way he doesn't treat Brooke badly, but he also
knows how to move past like he's a nice boy,
which is why it was so like, wait, what that
he had a kid, Because on television at that point
(42:50):
like fast kids, bad kids, We're the ones that had
children in high school. And so to see like the lovable,
you know, philosophical jock as the person with the baby
was like, what, that's crazy talk. I've never seen anything
like that. I hadn't either. I thought it was such
(43:12):
a great opportunity to just as that storyline goes on
to just see you know, consequences of different you know,
consequences of your actions when you're in high school. And
but it wasn't like shamed or harped on where he
was like embarrassed or it was just like about here's
(43:33):
the situation where and how do we treat each other right?
And that is something I could so get behind. It's
just such a beautiful message. And I loved that he
carried that storyline so beautifully and there was something so special.
And you guys pointed this out when we were watching it,
in the moment where you know, he's singing and it's
revealed that it's him, and then you realize he has
(43:55):
this baby and he's putting his little girl to bed,
and then Nay and walks in and finds Brooke like
passed out, and you guys like almost made me cry
just observing like they're just two little girls who need
a parent to put them to bed. But Brooke doesn't
have parents, there was no one to put her to bed.
It just that crushed me. Crush. Yeah, that was really
(44:20):
hard to watch, and it was you know, we had
sharp editors on the show. That is, I believe in
the power of the edit and and I do because
we didn't shoot those things at the same time. I
don't know that they were in that sequential order in
the script, but to put them back to back that
(44:41):
way with those camera moves, it was done intentionally without
making the audience feel like they're being beat over the
head with it. Yeah, you were just somebody's little girl.
We have to talk about the kiss. Oh God, to
talk about kiss. Was that it was a little I
(45:05):
felt robbed. I have to say. I mean, all this
build up, but it felt like it was too soon.
But maybe that's because we're binging and not watching it
week to week to week. I mean, binging isn't like
every few days we're doing this, so so maybe for
the audience it didn't feel that soon, but it felt
very sudden to me. Um. Also, maybe just because I'm
(45:26):
an adult and I'm like just like moving way too fast. Um. Sorry, No,
I just want to say, like I felt a little
robbed that with all the build up, the kiss was
like so it was forced, it was hard, it was
made it happen. Yeah, it was. I didn't get that
soft romantic moment because it's not a soft romantic moment,
(45:50):
you know. That is um That's something that I have
struggled with watching a lot of teenage movies, teenage TV
and stuff like at is that you see teenagers going
into romantic moments like adults would like I'm going to
move in real slow and I'm gonna kiss you real
(46:10):
gentle and hold your face. And that's bulls, you guys,
it's just total bullshit, Like you're gonna like knock teeth,
You're gonna like, you know, Peyton is kissed, You're right,
because she's mad that her friend is being a real
asshole in front of everyone and forcing her hand and
her ex boyfriend has been a nightmare and it's just like,
you know what, fine, everybody here, like that's what she's saying.
(46:35):
And it's not until later where Lucas comes and finds
her that I think she feels guilty about like the
show of it all, you know, which is why the
invitation to like sit on the swing and then go
kissing Nathan's parents room. You know, it's a little bit
of an olive branch, but it's still you it's still
(46:58):
a vindictive move because she's purposely taking Lucas into Dan
Scott's bedroom two turner nose up at the power structure
in this little town. And so I was for that,
Like that made perfect sense. That felt like something that
a sixteen year old girl would do, you know, like
the hell with the patriarchy, you know, I'll do what
(47:20):
I want. Um, But with this guy that she really liked.
But yeah, but I she had a hard time accessing
that vulnerability. I thought it was enough that they could
just like stand there and like kiss right or stand
there and like open mouth kiss if you're gonna like
you know, yeah, I was in high school. The first
(47:40):
time you kissed a boy like that? Was it like
you you'd make out for like twenty minutes. Cool, Okay,
I'll see you on Monday. It's cool. The way it
was written was very graphic, um, which made me nervous
because it was like you couldn't question it because it's like, well,
this is what's written out. So we have to get
the shot of you on buttoning his shirt, and we
(48:01):
have to get the shot of you kissing down his chest.
And so Chad was cool to like leave a like
a like a white tank top on underneath his button
up shirt. So I wasn't just like kissing his bare body,
because that's weird. We'd all known each other for like
a couple of months, maybe a couple week, and it's
high school. It's not hard about the example we were
(48:21):
setting for other young girls. I was so whacked out
about it, you guys, like so whacked out about it
because they wanted me like kissing all the way down
his body down to like his belt and undoing his
Like I don't know that you see it, but I
had to undo his belt, and so Robbie McNeil, our director,
knew that. I was very concerned, and I was like,
I'll give you like two takes, three takes, Max, but
(48:45):
I'm not doing this all night, Like this is inappropriate
if you can't catch it. Like and I like, looking back,
if I heard a little twenty one year old on
set being like you get two takes, I'd be like,
this little monster is bossy. But I just really didn't
want to do it, and I was so nervous, and
so I went back to the hair and makeup trailer.
My manager, Meg was in town for this who I'm
(49:07):
still with, and she I mean, I was like crying
in my trailer. I'm like, I don't want to do this.
I'm just so it feels dirty. It feels like they're
trying to sex everything up because Brooks being so weird
in this episode, Like everything just feels so heightened, and
they really like turned it up to a tent out
of nowhere. It just you know, they got to know
(49:28):
from the network, Yeah, that's it. So I went into
the hair and makeup trailer and they're like cleaning me
up because I've gotten upset, you know, and Joe Joe
our hairdressers like yo, girl, hold on one second, and
I was like okay, And we had a bottle of
grapefruit vodka on ice and we all and so all
the women in the trailer got together and they're like
(49:51):
you may feel like you're in on this like all
by yourself, but we are here. We're standing right behind
the monitor like cheers to you being a bad as kiddo,
and like we all did this shot together. Meg was like,
I've never done that on a set before, you know.
And it was such a moment of sisterhood that really
solidified my friendships behind the camera because I knew we
(50:13):
were going to have to continue to do stuff that
felt weird. I feel like a prostitute right, Like it
was the first moment that I was really like, I'm
kissing someone for money. I'm getting paid to do this
like performative like I don't want to do. Yeah, it
was just it. There's a morality thing where you're like,
oh my god, am I a sex worker in two
(50:37):
thousand three? Um? And and so knowing that there was
this kind of army of women that were like, you
can come here, like we'll take care of you. Um,
made it a much safer space. Meanwhile, Chad's like, were
you drinking like a professional? I I think about how
(51:00):
some of those like rituals and support systems are so
meaningful in those arenas, And I mean I even remember,
I just remember feeling so grateful, like in between takes
doing that party stuff that we were like like in
the corner because it felt it feels horrible to have
(51:24):
to behave in a way you don't want to behave,
and whether that's like having to be physically intimate with
someone because your characters are intimate or like I struggled
so much with this idea of Brooke, regardless of what
the motivations were, and thank god we found out about
them eventually, but her being a mean girl, like it
(51:46):
was so awful, and and being able to have space
all of us together to like really separate out that
energy from like you're saying, what we were doing behind
the scenes, I mean our hair and makeup trailer was
that was like Shangri law man. We were We had
(52:06):
a lot of fun in there and there. Yeah, like,
We're so lucky that we got to have that. It's
about finding your safe space. Yeah, And it makes me
now want to create that for the on the next
show that I'm on. I want to create that for
the younger women that come in. That is such a
Southern thing too, by the way, like the Southern hospitality
(52:30):
and women just surrounding each other with support. I wish
that I had been in a different space in my
life at the time where I could have accepted a
lot more of that and been open, because I feel
like I was. I received the least of that because
I I pushed it all away because I didn't trust
a lot of people just because of my own issues
(52:51):
and the stuff I had going on in my life.
But you know, so I love hearing that that was
happening for you guys, and it makes me excited to
like find a way to create that in the next
space that I get to go into. You know. Well,
that's why I'm so grateful that we have this. Yeah,
like oh yeah, now like we've made it all the
broads have reached out and been like, yo, girl, would
(53:14):
you want somebody to come on and talk about some
real dirt will come on? Which I think having our
crew gals on, it's like y'all are excited for the
actors to come on. Jojo and Jane Beck getting on
this show space danger. Yeah, well, guys, should we should
we spin the wheel? Should think most likely to need
(53:40):
a theme song for this? We need a jingle? Oh boy? Alright?
Most likely to get back with their back at their
ex not it friends. I mean I think prior to
this episode we would have said it would be Peyton,
right because her and Nathan so off and on through
(54:03):
high school. Yes, agreed, but no, I think Nathan Nathan
was most likely to get back with his eggs. Yeah,
because he was sort of like wherever this is Feasily
Norris's point, invert, invert the way we talk about it. Yeah,
(54:23):
these girls are just so amazing but everyone wants to
be with them forever. Listen, we can't help this. Okay,
so Nathan, but who like in real life it's part
of our cast. Let's see who was real just sentimental?
It's you know, everyone's like married now with kids, so
we can't say it like, um yeah, I don't know.
(54:51):
Most likely to get back together with their Did anyone
get back together with an X on the show? I'm
trying to think it's like everybody kissed everybody it was
finably have a habit of breaking up and getting back
together with the same people for I've only done that.
It's because you're sympathetic. Joy, It's because you like believe.
I'm like, once you're dead to me, you're dead to
me forever. I'm never gonna look at you again, you monster.
(55:15):
Um yeah, alright, Look, don't know. I'm good with Nathan.
I think Nathan is a good I think that's a
solid choice. Okay, done and done questions or anything, you guys.
I love the fan questions. We're getting the nicest messages
on like in like our d M s and stuff.
(55:39):
Mandy wants to know, how did you each feel about
the lack of parental guidance each of your characters had,
which we kind of touched on. I never really paid
much attention to it as a teenager, but now it
really breaks my heart that none of your characters had
parents in the first few seasons and mostly went to
Karen when you needed a parent, Yeah, it's true, or
Karen having to do with all our crap, or Hayley.
(56:00):
They went to Hayley all the time. Yeah, I was
always trying to clean up. I feel like you should
have just been able to be a kid, damn it.
You know, I think that, um, so much of my
real life identity was formed by having all these boundaries,
Like I was the kid that had the earliest curfew,
and I wasn't allowed to go out of a ten
(56:22):
mile radius from my parents house, and you know, on
on New Year's even why two K I was supposed
to be in the basement with the family, like bunking down,
And my big rebellion was that I went to my
best friend's party. You know, those boundaries defined me, and
so it was very difficult for me to portray not
(56:44):
one not to but like multiple kids that didn't have
that at all. It just feel weird. Yeah, I think
that worked for the for the for the show though,
I mean the show about kids and what we're going through,
and I think we had somebody that represent it um
in some ways, like a piece of something that everybody
(57:05):
could relate to in their part of life, having a parent,
not having a parent coming from a big family, having
a parent that was gone, having a parent that was absent,
having a parent that was very present, having parents that
were present but emotionally absent. The boys had parents, do
you feel at all like they knew how to right
for boys and parental figures, but they just didn't understand
(57:26):
how girls work in that capacity could be. I think
they probably didn't understand, and to be frank, I don't
think they cared. I think they planned on, you know,
a show about brothers where the girls were kind of accessories,
and the fans really loved the girls the show, identifying
(57:50):
with us thank you, and I think very quickly because
I remember a story about one of our boss is
going in and to really like wiping off stuff on
the board and putting girls names up on the board,
like more of this, and I think we kind of
(58:11):
took them by surprise. And I think and like, I
think that it was fat enough identity for them. Um.
And I think that then there's the practicality. You know,
we all now have directed and produced and we know
(58:31):
what the behind the scenes stuff is. I think there
was the practicality of oh, we've got like ten people
in a cast, we can't hire another eight parents. So
you know, I think they were like, we'll get there eventually,
but more actors are expensive. Well, we bring in parents later,
(58:52):
and you know, we find out more about that. It's
a slow burn. I want to do this next question
because I think something that like there's a bell going
off for me. We have a question from Audrey that
says you thought Peyton was the villain, right, which I did.
I was told like, oh, she's super unliked. Um, But
especially in episode seven, Brooke comes out as the villain.
(59:12):
The way she treats Peyton and even Haley, who she
didn't really know yet, is the complete opposite of what
was introduced before. It feels like she's just being mean
to be mean. And then she goes on to ask
when you were filling these episodes, did you feel like
this was something that made sense for her to do? Well, no,
but like bells are going off, now in knowing that
they were concerned about the audience not liking Peyton, did
(59:36):
Brooke get thrown under the bus in order to like
get the fans to like move. I think it made
the most sense for Brooke to be the stir of
the episode. I think like there was no other option.
I think it's probably a little bit of both. I
mean there's a business element to every decision they made
(59:57):
about us. Yes, yeah, and it is a one eight
you know, we just established in the last episode, like
throwing pom poms at each other, like oh my god,
I love you so much, and it's like, yeah, I
think it went more extreme than it might have perhaps
um to help shift some of that. And I think
(01:00:22):
I do think that Brook made sense to be the
ship ster and and wear that red dress. They took
it so far wolf literal devil in the red dress
and the matching red earrings and red lists so much
red just redde My hair weirdly got really red in
(01:00:43):
this episode, Like walking through the quad, I was like, whoa,
what is what's happening there? So yeah, I would imagine
it's a little bit of both. UM. But I think
that interestingly, whether it was device or not taking her
so far, kind of seeing how far she might go
(01:01:06):
in the acting out gave us a an eventual space
to talk about, like what happens to kids when they
have absentee parents? You know, how do you try to
establish an identity when you don't even have a fully
developed prefrontal cortex? Like you don't know anything. That's our
(01:01:26):
little scientist right there. She's going to figure out how
the brain developed in Brooke Davis. God bless you, Sophia.
We've got a great episode next week. I can't wait,
you guys. This episode eight is the search for something more?
Do you remember what happens in this one? No? What happens?
I don't know. I can't don't know. All right, So
(01:01:47):
you guys at home watch the episode along with us,
um and then we'll all be back to chat about
it next week. Let's do it and wait. Bye everybody. Hey,
thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.
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I heart radio dot com. See you next time. We
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