Give Me Moira • EP118

The Drama Queens are overwhelmed with love and excitement as their friend Moira Kelly aka Karen Roe is with them to discuss "To Wish Impossible Things".

Hilarie, Sophia and Joy share with you why Moira is such an inspiration, mentor, role model to all of them.  

Hilarie gets emotional as she opens up to Moira about her life changing decision to leave One Tree Hill. And, Moira reveals the lessons she learned in Wilmington.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
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But you're tough, girl. You can sit with us. Girl Drama,
Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama,

(00:22):
Queen's Hey, guys, welcome to episode eighteen to wish impossible things.
There's a rule. We all have to kiss at midnight.
Everybody kisses out right at midnight. We're kissing right now
via Zoe look at us. This aired April two thousand four. Synopsis.

(00:43):
It's like the boy Toy Auction. People talk about this
every convention we go to. It is a fan favorite.
Lucas Nathan and Sweet Sweet Jake are auctioned off to
the highest bidders and the annual Boy Toy Charity Auction,
and the night leads to surprising developments with old Flames. Meanwhile,
having missed out on the auction, book ends up with
me and gives him the night of his life. Honestly,

(01:06):
I just have to say it's really sweet, sweet, poetic
justice that the person who sells for the most money
at the boy Toy auction is Marvin McFadden. God blessed
two deserves. Did you guys ever have anything like this
in your real high school to all girls squad and
nothing like this? Yeah, no, we didn't do anything like this.

(01:27):
I mean I think, like, obviously if this was girls,
we all would be throwing if Yeah, you know, like
the whole auctioning off thing is gross. Yeah, we all
felt weird about it. It was also really weird to
me that moms were buying. I was like, I don't read,
and I loved I actually really loved the misdirect of

(01:49):
Barbara being like, yeah, I've got chores, Like that makes
more sense to me if the moms are going to participate.
But I thought the writers like they just leaned into
the sex jokes so far. Barbara, she committed, she did it,
and she did it with this innocence. But I was like,
they could have really, they could have dialed this back.
Come on, they set those two giant round candles right

(02:10):
in front of her boobs when she was cleaning the tub,
so gros it is. It's very immature, rough rough time
for all of us man. You know what I loved
about this One of the things I loved about this

(02:30):
episode was that we finally got to see Barry laughing
and smiling, which we saw in the last episode two.
But finally he's like getting to play something other than
the grouchy old wise owl. Like when Brian comes out
as Jake Chigalski in the Ravens mascot outfit, that is
Barry laughing. That is a genuine he lost it. He's cackling,

(02:53):
and it's so nice to see that on camera. Yeah,
I agree. I agree whole arc of like these kids
trying to act like grown ups. No one's got parental
supervision brooks out at clubs. But meanwhile the adults are
acting like kids in this episode, like going on these
like little flirty dates and digging up the football field.

(03:16):
You know. I like that juxtaposition of of people trying
to find their way, you know, and that even adults
still sometimes feel like that, we still play. We're still
we still feel like high schoolers deep down. Well, how
old is Karen is supposed to be in this If
she had Lucas when she was eighteen and Lucas is
sixteen years old, don't ask me to do math. Yeah. Four.

(03:43):
Oh my gosh, your kids. She's a kitten, she's a kid,
still a kid. Well, speaking of kids, speaking of being
just a little kitten, we actually have the incredible Why
are Kelly it today? Get her in this zoom room? Hello, Hello, Hello,

(04:08):
look exactly the same beautiful well when we consider how
many years I've passed out today because thank you very much.
Right now, right now, I'm in a flower Mountain, Texas.
I just got back from England. I was in London
for five months working on a project. So um, I
just got back eight days ago, so a little um

(04:32):
good to be home. Yeah, hello, have you been in Texas?
Because what I loved so much more is that when
we started the show, you had your children, your husband,
and you just like moved in like a community member
into the Greater Wilmington's community and and really made it home. Yeah. Yeah,
we had the house. We kept the house there for

(04:53):
a while because we liked going back. But we've been
here now almost eight years. My husband we moved here
for his job. So um, yeah, it's all right, it's
you know, yeah, that's right now. We're not going to
go into it. I just keep telling everyone, I grew
up in New York. So yeah, she gets to travel

(05:15):
to places like London to go shoot for five months,
you know. I mean that's kind of the great thing
about our job is no matter where you are, we're
going to be traveling at some point to go do something.
So we get that wanderlust fed. Still exactly, so where
are all of you now? Well, I'm in New York.
Come back join us joining. Hillary's got a farm in
the Hudson Valley. I'm not surprised, Hillary, I am not surprised.

(05:41):
We are a multitasker and a farm. Shets you. Yeah, well,
everybody else has farms too. We all became beekeepers. Joy
lives on a ranch. Oh my goodness, got chickens and bees.
Like we all ended up turning into busy ladies. I think,
I like busy hands keeps us out of trouble. Um. Indeed,

(06:04):
we marveled as we started watching the show back that
you were pregnant for the first how many episodes? Six? Seven? Yeah,
until Karen goes to Italy. I mean that that was
that was your Matt leave. That was my yes, exactly exactly,
and that's I think the episode we watched was my

(06:25):
first one back after my son was born. I think
that was in March, right, Um there, March, probably March,
because I think I had three months down. Yeah. Yeah,
And now he's a senior in high school, so it's just, yeah,
we're not that far off. I mean, Hillary and I

(06:47):
aren't that far off. Our oldest kids are eleven and ten,
and uh, we're you know, it's it's coming up. We
can see they're not that far away from graduating. I
think it's so amazing when I think about when we
were all starting the show, I was kind of where
you all are now. I had small children, you know,
and now mine are off to college and about to

(07:08):
go to college. And you were also only thirteen years
older than Chad when you were playing a mom who
had had eight I mean that we were. What we
were just saying before you came on was how wild
it was. And what we loved about this episode is
seeing adults really being the way that that we are.

(07:29):
Even though we're you know, quote unquote old ladies, we
actually still feel like we're sixteen seventeen inside sometimes and
we really got to see that in this episode with Um,
Karen and Larry especially and I mean, how did that?
But also I just want to tie it into you
being so young playing the mom of a teenager. I mean,
you must we all looked looked up to you. We

(07:51):
were all, you know, little kids, We were at all
of you, and we were just so you know, you
were just so impressive and um, but how did it
feel for you? I just this is the question I've
been dying to ask you for years. How did it
feel to you to be on the show and that
young and in that environment. I'm just dying to know. Well,
I think it's like any character that you play. You know, um,

(08:15):
I still wake up feeling like I'm twenty five and
then you look in the mirror and you're like, oh
my god, come on you. I think what's interesting is that,
you know it's for me now being older with older kids,
as I view my parents differently. I don't think as
you get older you feel older. Physically might in certain ways,

(08:36):
but I think your mind and your passions and your
dreams they still hinge on youth and young and vibrant
and um. To answer your question, though, any character you play,
I mean you kind of immerse yourself in that character.
And even though I was only thirteen years older than Chad.
You know, the role was of Karen, his mom, and

(08:59):
she did have him young, and I think that that
kind of helped to play into the bond that she
had with him. You know, she was very useful herself,
and I think you reinforced their special bond. How I
guess being a part of and Girls helped me out
because you know, I'm not quite as well spoken as

(09:20):
you guys. But when you when you were on the
set there, you know still feeling did you still feel
like you're the same age as as all of us,
Like I do when I go on set and I'm
working with kids that are younger than me, I still
feel like I'm like, we're in the same age, right,
this is all the same. But we didn't have we
didn't like spend a lot of time hanging out because
I don't know, we were just so in all of you,

(09:42):
and so I was intimidated by you. Moira. I'm just
gonna say it. Yeah, you were the boss I was,
but we just you were. We were so scared to
talk to you. No no, no, no, no, no no,
not because not because you were putting on any kind
of air. We looked up to you then in the

(10:02):
same way we were discussing before you came into the
Zoomer and we were like, oh my god, she's coming.
Oh my god. We still have this just like all
a twitter sheer, excitement, a reference for you, your career,
the things you'd worked on, the movies we'd watched over
and over and over and over and over again, and
we were like, she's going to be on this show.
She came here to do this? Did they get you

(10:26):
for this show? Moira? Because we like because I remember
them being like, well, we've got these other folks and
you know, Chad I met before, and I was like okay,
and they're like, then we've got Moira Kelly, and I
mean I know all of us were like, oh my god,
Oh my god. Honors. Yeah. It took us weeks and

(10:46):
weeks and weeks and maybe months to finally be like, Okay, okay,
we keep trying not to say it around you, but
can we ask you a questions about the players, And
you were just like, Okay, these silly little kiddos, How
did it? How did it come about out? I mean,
I feel like I was in a different place anyway. Again,
I had one child and another on the way. And

(11:06):
so when I was working on One Tree Hill, I
felt like I really treated that more as um a
nine to five job. All I could really muster was
doing my job and then getting home and being being
with the kids. And so I always felt, um that
I was kind of not on the outside, but I

(11:28):
wasn't as immersed in all of you as I usually
would have been. Um and getting the job. You know,
in the industry, when you decide that you want to
make other choices for yourself, you want to take some
time down, you want to get married, you want to
raise family, you want to have those other things, the
industry sometimes put on blinders then and there. It's it's

(11:53):
a little difficult to to be able to say, Okay,
I'd like to go out in the audition and I
want to get a job, and um One Tree Hill
actually was the first thing back after taking time down
with my daughter and yeah, and it was an uphill battle. Really,
UM not want to get One Tree Hill just to

(12:15):
kind of get back into the roster of auditioning and
getting you know, agents and reps to you know, put
your name out there for things. UM. What's interesting is
after one tree Hill. I did it again. I took
twelve years down and you know what my husband and
I talking about it were like for us everyone could.

(12:37):
You know, everyone's different and you handle things differently, but
you know, we both realized, especially for me, that if
if I go forward in my career, it takes you
away a lot. You know, it expects you to either
uproot your entire life and move them around or takes
you away. And you know, I personally couldn't do it.

(12:58):
So I felt like, fingers crossed, I'll get a chance
to break back in, but I don't want to miss
any opportunity with my children because you can't go back
and raise them again. You know, it's right, and I
really feel like I've I've been blessed twice. You know,
after twelve years, I managed to get a project last

(13:19):
year here in Texas and then went off to London
to shoot five months. So well, you have such a
strong reputation as a wonderful actress. You know, you're the
body of work behind you is speaks for itself, and
thank you. I never would never, would never think that
you could go away for any amount of time and
not be able to come right back and let everyone go, oh,
Wira Kelly, we love her. Reality, the industry is not

(13:42):
kind to women. Men can do it, men can, and
they do often um, but women just don't really get
those opportunities as much as your beloved, um, as much
as your body work is I think for women were
always kind of on that precipice of no matter what
my body work looks like, if I'm not willing to
jump right now to them, uh, you know, I might

(14:03):
not get a chance again. And that's changing, I believe.
I think so too, something that I've observed, and it's
really interesting watching friends be at various stages of this.

(14:24):
It seems to me that when men have families, when
men make choices, people go, oh, good for him. And strangely,
when women say I'm going to take a moment, I'm
gonna go have a kid and i'll you know, then
I'll throw my name back in the ring, there's almost
this energy of, oh, but you're not really going to
come back, because now you've had kids, you know you

(14:45):
you can't possibly be a mom and have a career.
And it's like, have you ever said that to the guys.
It's such an odd um, it's such an odd thing,
and I have to say thank you for even just
hearing that part of the story with us, because there
are moments when we have discussions on our show and
we realize I can almost feel the folks at home

(15:08):
nodding along, and I know that you being frank about
that will make it doesn't just make all of us
feel seen in the choices we've had to make, but
I know there's people listening at home right now going
that's exactly how I felt, and why was there a
double standard with my partner? And and I think I

(15:28):
feel like I can see how it informs so much
of life, you know, in the time from when we
met and the three of us would follow you around
like little ducklings and be like, where's she going? What's
she doing? Do you think we can ask her if
we can have dinner? Should we should we go? Say hi? Now? Um?
But it's it's funny because I see so much of

(15:50):
the way you all have navigated these things now, and
it it's strangely makes me want to ask you questions
as a as a performer and how you prepared for
our show because one of the things we all keep
coming back to is for the character Obviously, the writing
is the writing, and you do what's on the page.
But so many women in Karen's position, having gone through

(16:13):
what she went through with Dan having this young baby,
might have wanted to leave a town as small as
Tree Hill, might have wanted to move back to where
their parents were have extra help. And Karen stayed and
faced it and firmly planted her feet in the ground.
And we have been dying to ask you, how did
you build the backstory? What choices did you make that

(16:35):
made Karen remaining in in that community makes sense for
you as an actor? What's what's what's under the curtain? Moira? Um,
there's nothing really under the curtain. It's your life experience,
you know. I think, really again, I'm going back to
the idea if I am a woman, I'm speaking from

(16:56):
a woman's point of view. Um, you come up against
a lot of obstacles when you come up against a
lot of challenges, starting at a very young age. And UM,
you can either dig deep and choose to standard ground
and fight through what you love. UM, work real hard

(17:17):
for what you want, not listen to the naysayers, not
given to the fear and the doubt, and keep finding
a way forward, and UM, I feel in my own life,
you know, I've had those moments where I've had to say, Okay,
is this where I get stopped? Now? Now you know,

(17:39):
you say what you want to say, you know, tell
me what my choices are. But I know what I'm
capable of, I know what I want, and I'm going
to find a way forward. Um. And I think that
translates over to Karen. You know, why should she leave
the town she loves? Why should she make it easier
for you know, Paul's character, for Dan to not have

(18:01):
to look at his son. Why should she give right? No,
I think in a lot of ways she kind of
embodied the inner soul of again, not just women, but
anyone who comes up against that wall. Is it is
handed burdens that people say, Okay, you might as well

(18:21):
just crawl away, um, and they decide to know what, No,
I'm stronger than that. I'm I'm I have more than
I want and I'm not giving up just because this
has been put into my path. So, UM, I think
that's really where it came from. Um. From body that
behind the scenes though, to Moira, you were the first

(18:44):
woman who I had ever met that like had a
script that she was working on that she was like, why,
Like you, you were like, I'm going to direct. I
have this script. It's a true story. I don't know
if you remember. I mean, I'm sure you and the
fact that you shared that with us, you know, I

(19:05):
I remember falling down that rabbit hole, like researching the
story that you wanted to direct, and being so impressed
that just on your own, you were at home writing
the script and doing the research and trying to raise money.
And that blew my mind and it shaped the entire
rest of my time on One Tree Hill because then

(19:25):
I was like, well, I want to do that behind
the scenes. That's what I want to do at home.
That seems like a fun hobby. And so when you
directed the show and we got to greedily have you
on set all day long as opposed to these little
scenes here and there, what was the process of you directing?
Because I feel like it was always a no brainer

(19:47):
that Paul was going to direct, because he's like, I'm
a director, I'm a guy, trust me. Did you have
to convince them to let you direct? Or was that
an offer that was put on the table because it
was one of the highlights of our time on the show.
Have you hear? Um? No, I wasn't offered, but um
it was at one of the might have been like

(20:08):
the Christmas party, one of the parties. UM. I went
to very few of them, but the one that I
did go to, I remember Mark and Joe Devola coming
up to me and um, they were telling me about
how you know they're gonna move forward with the kids
storylines and you know the adults were going to be

(20:29):
cut back a little bit. But was there anything that
um I wanted or I needed? And I decided them
as I want to direct, that's what I wanted. You
can give it. Wanted a lot of people. I want one,
so make that you should have had more than one. Yes.
The reason why is because I think the first one

(20:51):
came out so well. I really feel like, um, there
were a number of people who were I don't want
to say they were expecting me to not do well,
but you know it is kind of it kind of
was a boys club a little bit and a lot
a lot of it. Let her have her little moment.

(21:13):
And what I loved was when Craig Prange came to
me and he said, not only are you under budget
in filmingness, you have had days where you've had downtime
for the crew because you got everything done. I'm like,
and why are you so surprised, I've been on enough set. Yeah.

(21:33):
You know. Also, women can't afford to do that when
we're when we're doing our work, when we're directing, we
can't afford to have days go along and go over
budget because it's it's up. See there you go. That's
why you gotta you know, stick with the boys club,
that's the response. So no, we work over time to
be able to get everybody in undertime exactly. And I

(21:55):
love where the industry is going now. I find that
more women in production, more women who are opening production
companies and producing, more women directors. Um to me, I'm
just this is what it was like in the early
really in the early nineteen hundreds, before the banks got
involved with making film, women were a huge part of

(22:17):
the film industry. They were great that, they were directors,
they were writers. Um. It all changed once the studios
went to the banks for money to invest in films.
And then I guess with the banks figured were women
weren't really smart enough to handle the money. So and
that's when everything changed then women kind of got blocked out.

(22:41):
But you know, there's been a lot of big shifts
and changes of the last i'd say five six years,
and it does me proud to know that anyone who
has been uh kind of pushed out now has voice,
now has a stage in which to step out and

(23:01):
and make something happen for themselves. And it's happening in
big ways in the industry and it really excites me.
How did you get involved in film era? Like? Was
your family involved in film? I feel like, did you
have musicians in your family? Yeah, we're all of the musicians.
My dad's musician. I've got three or four siblings and musicians. UM.

(23:21):
We grew up playing music. UM. In high school, I
was on stage doing production, but I always wanted to
get into music. It was kind of a flute that
I ended up auditioning for an agent UM and in
a couple of weeks he handed me a script and said,
I want you to audition for this, and that was it.

(23:42):
I started my career in started in film and then
television of films. So I'll be honest, I never dreamed
of being an actress and really wanted to be one more.
You're sitting with a big band, singing and dancing and
doing all that, but never never really dreamed about being

(24:04):
in film and television. So have you been playing music
in Texas? Oh? Yeah, guitar, writing some songs. Um. I've
also had two other scripts that we're shopping around. So
oh that's gonna make me so I think for me
that will be my end game as I want to
be on the other side of the camera, you know. Um,

(24:24):
I enjoy acting. I get a lot of fulfilment out
of it, but I really do like sitting in the
control scene control. I like having a vision on something
and and and working collaboratively with with a crew. For me,
some of my my favorite people on the set are

(24:45):
the crew, um have always been. And I get so
excited when so many talented people come together to make
this thing happen. And when it's your vision and people
are working really hard to make that happen, it's so exciting.
So um, I'm hoping that my future holds more more
directorial opportunities for me. Let us help, Yeah, what can

(25:07):
we do to help? Because you you are so you're
you're such a talented director, you're so keen. Um, and
you have such strong instincts about you know what, I
what I love. I talked to Paul a lot about directing,
and you know, one of his favorite quotes is directing
his quality control. That's really what it is, its quality control.
And I agree because if every if you trust everyone

(25:27):
in their departments to do what they're doing, you just
are there to sort of steer the ship a little bit.
But you can trust that everyone's doing what they're doing.
But that's what's great about having a director like you,
with such a strong instinct and knowing how to just
come in and just give a little tweak, a little
note here and there. You can feel, especially because you're
an actor and you're such a sensitive artist, that you can, uh,

(25:52):
you can feel where the emotion of this, where the
music is in the scene emotionally and and take us
on that journey. Um. And I always felt that was sorry,
my dogs are barking, but I always felt that we
feel like a strong suit of yours. Now, Bethany, you
directed as well, right I did? Yeah, Yeah, everyone's calling

(26:14):
me Joy. Don't worry. I was confusing, but just call
me what you always did. It's okay. It's like a
secret code. Tell me about your experiences. Yeah, I loved directing.
I mean that was I think as I had directed
theater a lot when I was as I was growing
growing up, you know, in the high school productions and
some stuff outside of that, and I also had been

(26:36):
on sets for a long time, especially doing the soap opera.
Did you ever do a soap Moira? No? I mean
you're you're on a set, it's every single day, and
it's all day, and there's just so many, you know,
pages and pages of dialogue and you have to get
used to finding the rhythms really quickly. Um so. I
think that really helped me be able to especially in TV.
It's not with film. You have more time to rehearse

(26:57):
and you have time to practice something and shooting one
scene all day long. With TV, you got to find
the movement. Um Another quote I remember hearing from a
director on our set was find the music. He would
say that to the a camera operators, like, move with
the field of music inside of you, of what's happening emotionally,

(27:20):
the metaphorical music of um so. I think being a
musician really helped with that. Having an experience on on
the soap and doing our show for I think six
years before I directed an episode really helps that. So
if you directed to right, yeah, yeah, the last three
seasons and I think I agree with Joy. You know,

(27:41):
having this sort of um, the container and the rhythm
of our show was incredible. It was an incredible first
foray into that. For me, you know, growing up working
for my dad and being in a photo studio, it
was the visuals. It was all the camera stuff that
made the most sense to me. Um and so Peter Kowalski,

(28:03):
you know, who became our DP. We had such a rhythm.
We had such a blast working together whenever I was directing.
And then yeah, the quality control, the hurting cats of
like figuring out the cast like god, directing parties at Trick,
I was like, how do people do that? Where is everybody?
You know? But it's it's such an amazing experience because

(28:24):
it does teach you truly how many moving parts there are.
And and I think you know, something that we all
have spoken so much about on this podcast is feeling
the way that you just referenced Moira, that we just
we really right or die for our crew, And man
if I wasn't already so obsessed with the people who

(28:46):
make a show happen. Directing, I was like, everybody should
be paid more. Everybody deserves cookies, better food, Like what's
going on? You know, because you're just the honey wagon
together everybody like you realize that it's just it's such

(29:06):
a labor of love. I I do think we're all
so so lucky. And it gives it gives you a
whole other understanding. It's a funny puzzle piece too. You're
putting together a puzzle looking for how what's not something
not making sense? Why doesn't it make sense? I know
why it doesn't make sense this little piece, do this,
I think that, and then we'll see it in your

(29:26):
in your character's eyes, and then it's like the whole
scene comes together. It's just so fun piecing a puzzle
together like that. Yeah, it's nice to get your feet
with it on something that you're comfortable with. Two. I mean,
having been on the show for another seasons, you really
get a feel for the locations for the characters, so
you know, it makes a little easier than for you
to come in. And what I found exciting was find

(29:50):
a new way to show something that's been seen so
many times, you know, just you know, inject something a
little different into an actor playing at character and see
if they'll take it someplace else, you know, discover the
layers that are there that haven't you been exposed, which
is so exciting. If you could have done anything different

(30:18):
with our show as the experienced female actress on set,
what would you have done different with One Tree Hill?
Was there anything that stood out to you? Um? I
will say it didn't stand up at the time because
again I having a small family and just looking at

(30:38):
my work on that really as a nine to five
Like usually when I work on a project, I would
love hanging out with a crew on the weekend, hang
out with actors, go out to dinner, do you know,
go to all the parties. I was in a different
place in my life and you know, hearing honestly what
all of you young women had to go through. UM,

(30:59):
I don't want to get choked up. If I could
go back, UM, I would have made my presence stronger there.
And I felt like, you know, being somewhat of a veteran,
you were also very young coming into this situation. There's
a part of me that feels like I let you

(31:19):
all down. My God, no, no, no, no, no, I know,
I know, it's just my own it's but if if
I had been more present, I would have been more
aware maybe of what was going on. I surely would
have said something. I surely would have done something. And
so if I could do anything, go back and do

(31:41):
anything different, I would make my presence so solid on
that show, and I would have made myself so available
to all of you. You were, you were more. This
is the first time I've seen you since I left
the show, and I wanted to tell you this for
years and years and years, But in the last episode

(32:05):
of the show, everyone in my world was telling me,
you can't leave, you can't leave. You know. I didn't
direct because I didn't want to be on set all
day because it was so bad. And I was in
my hospital gown, sitting in the lobby of the hospital
because Peyton was like strapped to a table. And you

(32:25):
came and you sat next to me, and you started
off by just joking and you were like, you know,
what's going on? And I was like, I don't know
what to do, and you said run and like you
said you you like started it off with a joke,
and I was like yeah, and you were like you.
You said to me, he said, there's so many chapters

(32:45):
in life, and this is just one. This is just one.
And you were the only person that gave me permission
to go. But I so valued your opinion of me
and of our business and and the way you prioritize
your family over work, and that's what I wanted. Like,
what you had is what I wanted. So you didn't

(33:08):
have to say anything because you lived it and we
could just like see it. Um. So I hope I
get to see you in person and like actually hug you.
But I have wanted to thank you for that, honestly
since I was twenty six years old and I'm not
even close anymore. It's been a lot of years. But

(33:28):
you did that, Like you just set such a positive
example for us, and you were safe. You didn't have
to put any extra effort into it. Yeah. And and Mara,
I have to say as well, it's such a double
standard for women and so deeply unfair that that responsibility

(33:50):
should have even energetically fallen on your shoulders. None of
us are supposed to go to work and deal with it,
and and you were not supposed to have to give
up time with your infants to come and use yourself
as a shield for your coworkers. It's wrong. It's just wrong,

(34:11):
and manage the chaos. You inspired us exactly in the
way that Hillary is saying when you would when you
would say exactly the right thing in the moment that
everyone needed to hear it. And you did that a lot.
When when we got to see you, know, you and
your husband and your kids. I mean, I swear to God,
I think it's the reason we were all trying to

(34:32):
settle down so early. We were like, we just want
to grow up and be like Mora, like if we
all get married right away. We we we looked up
to you, and you you set an example by being
and and it's a profound um it's a very profound
influence and and it was a gift for us from

(34:56):
from the really committed and classy way you show up
to work to the way that you showed us it
was possible to to do this job and after and
be a producer and be a director and be a mom.
You proved it, and so we're just still deeply obsessed
with you. Was really the point. If you're ever hanging
out on your trailer stairs, we're gonna come by and lurk.

(35:20):
We all have to get together and do something because
even see you, I just want to hug you all.
And yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I'm glad that
that came through. I think it's really important for all
of us to be the strongest, best examples we can
for the people in our world, you know, everyone around us, UM,

(35:41):
and we do that through our actions and through our
words and UM. You know, sometimes we don't realize how
we affect other people. I'm very grateful to hear that
it was all coming through and it was all positive
and wonderful for all of you. Yes it was. I
still think about that when I'm on sets and when
i'm you know, thinking about prioritizing my time with my daughter. UM.

(36:06):
There was a permission that you gave me and all
of us, UM to be able to have boundaries. Still
show up and do your job, but UM, have a
boundary for yourself taking care of yourself. That is, you
lead by example, and it it's so valuable. I truly,
truly still have images of you sitting in your chair
working on your material, totally available and open. It's not

(36:28):
you would ever disappear and go hide away. You are
always present, but you you had an air about you
that was um so warm and inviting, but you still
had boundaries about your work in your own self care.
And and those images come to mind on days when
I'm on sets and I think like I'm giving more
than I need to right now, I'm I've done my job.

(36:50):
It's okay for me to save some for me and
for my daughters. Yeah, and you have not to claim
it because they're not going to give it to you.
You know, you really do have to claim it and
then be okay with that. You have every right. Yeah,
and have your kids ever watched the show? No, believe
it or not. That's good, that's I think. The only

(37:13):
thing they've watched that I've ever done was um, The
Lion King. My kids, I am still you know, my
son is actually going into film. He wants to be
a cinematographer. Really. Yeah, So we talk a lot, we
go to movies a lot, and then we do we
kind of do a mom' son movie night, and then
we discuss where does he want to do to school?

(37:37):
He's looking at m y U. Yeah, younger's crossed, but yeah,
to me I've I've you know, I've always just maintained
the mom's status. You know. Um, they're proud of my work,
you know, even though they haven't seen it, they're proud
of what I do. They're very supportive. But UM, I'm

(38:01):
okay with them not being interested in seeing it. They
had a lot of friends. You're not going to make
them sit down, and um, they would come over to
the house and they'd come into the kitchen, and I
had so many moments of these kids just stopping in
their tracks and going your mom's terror. So I had

(38:26):
a lot of your friends like really tongue tied and
then coming over a lot they're like, oh, we just
want to stop by and sayid and talking about different
episodes and different characters. You know, what's so interesting about
the show is that it really is somewhat timeless, you know,
especially when I think about that episode. Um, uh to

(38:49):
wish the impossible dream? Isn't that Whether it is or yeah,
that's it? Um. You know we all have when we're young.
We have these dreams and asked rations and places we
want to go. Um. I think I said a little earlier.
And even though we grow up, we make mistakes. Things
do change. Um, the the effervescence of those passions and

(39:15):
ideas and those dreams are still there, and they're very universal. Um,
even as you get older, you know, like um, Karen
can go and and and dig up that time capsule
and everything in there is so outdated. But the joy
of what that was and the reality of coming from

(39:39):
that place to where she was, that's the point, you know,
and I think that that's timeless and and quite universal. Um.
It really comes down to relationships. You know. The dreams
we have, the things we aspire to can only really

(39:59):
succes need when we are genuinely and sincerely in relationship
with others. And that's shown in that episode Across the Board,
I mean Hillary with you and um, can I think
of his name now, James. You know you had a history,

(40:22):
but there you were together being able to be honest
and sincere with each other. UM. Joy with you and
Lucas it was a past you know that you had.
That was a bond that is unbreakable. And then for you, Sophie,
Sophia with a mouth boyd door absolutely love him. You're

(40:42):
both from two entirely different worlds, and yet the sincerity
and honesty of what happens in that night. That's what
that's what you carry on into the future. That that's
what fuels those dreams and those aspirations. You know. Um.
We even got to see Whitey in this episode. I

(41:04):
mean to see Whitey have fun because he loves that school.
It's like that in the community, the relationship there for
him to see the joy was fun. And to know
that it's multigenerational. Yeah, and to know that, you know,
things change, your dreams change, your goals change, things change.
But those those bonds that you make, those moments that

(41:27):
you share that are genuine and of the heart and honest, that's,
you know, the tapestry of life. That's what you build
your future on and that's what helps you find that
way forward, um and gives you strength. It's what Hailey's
tattoo was. She's like, if I can just remember this
feeling forever, it's that's your time capsule. Do you have

(41:51):
a t Do you have a time capsule tattoo? Me?
I too. I've got a little crescent men on my
right angle that I got when I met my husband
because I just remember your husband biking all over Wilmington's
my little cycler um and then before I went off

(42:11):
to London, my daughter and I each got butterflies on
our left. Thing. You just that's so good you Wow. Wait, Moira,
we would be remiss not to talk about London a
little bit because you are coming out with a massive
series Citadel is you and oh my god, Stanley Tucci,

(42:31):
we love him, Prianka Chopper, Richard Madden, I mean, what
a what a team? Can you tell us a little
bit about this and tell the folks at home when
it's coming so so we can all be ready. The
only thing I can tell you is it is called Citadel.
It's on Amazon um. The first season should be released
in November, so long. Yeah when it's the biggest groundbreaking

(42:58):
television experience. They've never they've never done anything quite like this.
But that's all I can tell you. We all exciting.
I thought Game of Thrones did that. I thought West
World did that? What are we going to see that's
bigger than that? I'm so excited. It's it's pretty, it's
pretty impressive. It blew my mind once I was finally

(43:19):
allowed to hear the overall scale, because we were left
in the dark for quite a while with it just
because they didn't want information getting out. But the week
I was wrapping, the doucer sat me down and told
me the entire scale of it. You didn't know until
you were wrapping m Now we were all really kept

(43:39):
in the dark. You only really knew what you're what
you were expected to. Now, only Moira Kelly can take
twelve years off and come back to the business. You
did the biggest show in the history of television. It
feels right, That feels right. I love it, Moira. Will
you come back for the episode that you directed? Will

(44:01):
you come back? We love that. I really would love that,
and I love the girlcy. This represents what I was
talking about. The three of you have made a bond
over the years, and to see the three of you
together working together on this podcast, still sharing your lives

(44:21):
is it just gives me great joy. Me me. What
you have built in in working on One Tree Hill
together goes beyond one Tree Hill and we'll carry you
very far. Stay close to each other, stay strong for
each other, um because it's a beautiful thing. It's an
absolute beautiful thing. Thank you, Moira, We love you, love

(44:47):
you so much. Now stay safe out there. Okay, okay,
tell your son to get up here to New York
so you and I can just brunch while he's in school.
When you come ups, It's so good to see you, Moira.
Thank you so much, thank you for everything. Thank you. Hi.

(45:09):
Oh my good guys. Everyone's just crying. I'm gonna need
a minute. Wow. I love her so much. She was
such a constant, steady presence. I mean, I meant every

(45:31):
word that I said. She really gave us permission to
um be everything that we needed to be and also
take care of ourselves, which I didn't know how valuable
that was. I didn't know I was learning that lesson
until now, Like until I've been older with a child
on sets, and I'm suddenly remembering, Wait, it's okay for

(45:53):
me to just sit here and read a book or
work on my script and not have to make sure
everybody likes me, walk around making sure everybody's like I'm
talking to everyone and doing it. It's okay, Like I
can just be here and be available, but take my
Because I remember Moira just sitting there and doing that.
It was such a beautiful permission. M hmmm. It's so

(46:16):
the pressure of like, um wanting to say thank you,
to someone for so long, like she's just so easy,
she's so cool, and that that makes you want to
say it even louder, you know, it's just like, oh
my god, you don't know that you saved my life. Yeah,
I don't know why would have happened to me if
I had stayed. You know, Hillary, I met my husband,

(46:39):
I got my son exists because Moira Kelly told me
to run, you know, and so I did. And um,
I just think about how different my life would be
if she wasn't that one person to give me permission
to just go because she had it. We we all

(47:01):
were little, and to us it was like you can't go,
Like what do you mean? This? This is our place?
It was like this is our this is ours And
and for her it feels like her being able to
see through really what was just a container a chapter

(47:21):
and and and give you the kind of advice that
she modeled and what joy is talking about just taking
permission to do what you need that that's okay. It
It was a lesson that no one else in that container,
in that world that we shared was teaching us. Everyone
else was saying what more can you give? What more

(47:43):
can you do? How can you how can you give
more of yourself to this? And and it's revolutionary for
a person to say, what do you need? Yeah, it's
so special. She's just such a class act. And you know,
we that was the kind of the strange magic of

(48:04):
our show is that we had a lot of tachie
in our show. I mean, we've got strip clubs in
this show, going to the club. We've got boy toy
auction with like kisses at midnight, which doesn't make any sense,
you know, And then it's it's countered by this total
classy woman and and you know, like really earnest moments

(48:29):
in some of these relationships of the duality. Maybe that's
the magic. Maybe that's what makes the fans like buy
in because it's not too schmaltzy and it's not too perverted.
It's just the right amount of schmaltz purv. Is that
a term like schmaltzperv fresh out of flesh? Oh my god,

(48:51):
what I loved in the moments watching especially this budding
relationship with Karen and Larry and and the whole thing.
I didn't see it then, but watching this episode with
you guys today, I was like, oh man, the parents
are just people trying to figure out what they're doing.
People don't have the answers. Nobody ever has the end, Like,

(49:12):
nobody ever gets it all figured out. And when we
were young, we thought, well, eventually we'll be grown ups
and we'll have it all figured out. And and they
just so beautifully and so vulnerably. We're like, we don't
know either, We're just testing the waters. Well, and Karen
gets put in the biggest pickle ever in this episode.
We all Joe dropped at She's got one dude kissing

(49:36):
her in the kitchen and then another dude on the
front porch for the ring with the ring literally one
guy leaves out the back door in the front door
bell rings and for her, and she gets proposed to well,
they're turning it up to eleven. There were some big moments.
Brooks big announcement at the end of this episode which

(49:57):
I thought for me. She says that to him when
she says I might be pregnant, it has to be
real and she has to be terrified, and and so
that that was the choice I made for her. But
I know it was a bit of a it was
a bit of a fight, and I appreciated when we

(50:19):
were having it, Hillary was in my corner being like, yeah,
that is up, and I was like, thank you, we
like you were upset. It just felt because it did it.
It felt a responsibility to set a good example. I
think that part of it. You know how many young
girls were watching this show, and how many girls related
to Brooke, and you know, we're learning to look up

(50:40):
to the different aspects of all of our personalities and journeys.
So I felt that responsibility well, and Brooke had become
so beloved at that point that for anyone who was
like I want to be you know, I'm team Brooke.
You never want anyone emulating behavior like that. You know what.
I wasn't a model the bad behavior. I wanted to

(51:02):
have a conversation about the the hardship that happens to
a lot of young women. So great episode. You had
such a sweet I'm a little girl who's got the
so sweet. I think also we know the medium that
we were in with that show, and the network and
the sort of space, and how much we could trust

(51:24):
the writers to or not trust them to handle. You know,
if we're talking about if we're talking about different material
and maybe a different I don't know the network at
the time, or you know, just a different space, different medium. Um.
Having a character who is using the words I'm pregnant

(51:47):
as a manipulation. UM, I have no judgment on that
as an actor, because you know, you could trust that
there are places where you could trust the writers to
actually take the audience on a journey with that character
to understanding why that was not the right thing to do.
You know, how what does she learn about her life
when she says something like that, How that affects people? Um,

(52:08):
you know that's a journey that I'm interested in because
I have no judgment on the behavior, as much as
I just would like to see the journey to redemption
from that bad choice. But in our medium, in our show,
as we've seen we were talking about last time, we
blow through storyline so quickly, we don't time right. There
wasn't a lot of tender, loving care to watching someone

(52:31):
make a bad decision and seeing how it affected them
and everyone else around them and then bringing it back
around to redemption. We didn't have a proof that was
going to happen, So I get why you were fighting
for Brooke right then. The proof is this episode where
we never went to court. Never was so crazy And

(52:51):
by the way, Joy, you know, I don't want to
give away what happens in the next episode. But I
still didn't win the fight. There still is they stilled
into her having the information before and and then weaponizing
the information. So I only I only, I only was

(53:12):
fifty heard. And it is interesting because it is the cliffhanger.
So it's the only reason it goes past one episode
because normally we don't really see I will never I
will never get over the casual. Yeah, I'm emancipated. I
got an apartment, Like how long did this take? When
did they go to court? Where was the fight? Who said?

(53:34):
Where did he get the money to pay first and
last month's rent? Like what? There's just an apartment that
looks like a set from Dexter. Of course, things like
what are you gonna do? Kill me in here? Like what?
It's so crazy, just needed less parents in a show
where there were only like parents. They're like, how can
you remaining percentage? Get it half an episode? We're gonna

(54:00):
put him in an apartment and all the adults behaving
badly too, I mean, Whitey with booze in his desk,
can you imagine it's so illegal. Can you imagine? Is
it illegal in a high school? In a high school,
it is. It's such a common thing. Like, oh, the
teacher with the bourbon in the desk, where does that
come from? Because they don't pay teachers enough. If you

(54:21):
have maybe right, that's it. I'm going to go out
and be the voice of descent here and say you
can have as many bottles of bourbon in your desk
as you want until they pay you and then hey,
I'm down power through um heartbreaking quote from Brooken this
girls just want someone who wants them back. I don't
know if it's just girls or if everybody wants that,
but that is definitely that's definitely true. And that hit

(54:45):
home for me. It did for me too, And and
something I loved about it the the representation of really tender,
platonic friendships between men and women in this episode being
willing to be vulnerable about their feelings and their experiences
Haley and Lucas, Nathan and Peyton Broken Mouth. I liked.

(55:07):
It felt to me like the representation for Brooke and
Mouth was really about I get that it looks great
from the outside, but on the inside it's terrible and
it it reminded us to to look a little bit
past the outside of someone and I just loved that

(55:27):
these people who thought they were so different really shared
and understanding of each other after that night. Yeah, I
loved that too. The confession thing is it's a big
deal for me. I didn't really get to work with
James and scenes that weren't contentious, and this was the
first time that we were like being friends and like

(55:48):
funs with each other. And I've been such a bit
for the first what episode is this seventeen? I've been
such a bit for the first you know, fifteen sixteen
episodes about the sexual lity of all of it. And
so I finally in this episode get to say to him,
I haven't been with anybody else, like you're the only
person that I've been with. And that's a big confession

(56:11):
because he just assumes that she's off, you know, looking
up with other dudes. And I think that maybe boys
assume the girls move faster than they do. You know,
when I was single in Wilmington's, everybody thought I was
sleeping with everybody, nobody, like there was nobody. But if
you're loud and kind of you know, I don't know

(56:33):
out thearismatic people make assumptions. Um. I love seeing that
Nathan and Peyton were being so there was such a setting,
a such a good example and being so sort of
mature about the fact that, I mean, to people who
have in high school you're sleeping, if you're sleeping together
with somebody in high school, there's that that bond is

(56:54):
so strong, those bonding chemicals are so strong. And the
fact that we've just been brushing it off, like oh,
now Nathan's with Haley and there's just like, oh, they
just flipped the switch and its friend zone now for
Peyton and Nathan is really silly and basically impossible for
teenagers to do. So I loved seeing the two of
them acknowledging that there were still feelings that they still

(57:16):
you know and not so with so many words, but
they were still I still felt the chemistry between them,
and that it would be easy to fall back into
into each other, but that they were both really good
people with good consciences, and they're like, we're not that's
not where we are. We're not going to do that,
you know, We're gonna We're gonna really hold the line
with this friendship. Yeah, saying the hard things out loud.

(57:39):
I liked that it wasn't just a they took it
a step farther, which is something I think we're not
accustomed to. Um. Not only did these people lean into
the tenderness of their friendship, but they also got really
vulnerable about the things that so many young people are
self conscious about, like we did used to do this,

(58:01):
and and and it was nice, and I had feelings
for you, and I'm trying to figure out what this
new context is. And even for him to admit, you know,
I think I might have been flirting with you and
I'm sorry, I don't know how to talk to you.
And she's like, yeah, you're dummy, like and they laugh
about it. It's it. It gives these kids permission to

(58:22):
find each other in a new way and to have
a genuine friendship, not a pretend one. And I think
that's really for all the things that we say, yikes,
we modeled a bad thing here, I'm like, that's actually
we modeled a lot of really good things. Stuff the
Franknessy Larry do the exact same thing with Karen Payton
and Nathan We're doing where it's like I'm just gonna

(58:44):
say the thing that needs to be said. And when
he brings up Keith, and he's like, Keith is a
good guy and you've got history, and I hope I
didn't make it bad for you, Like on a first date.
That could be a weird thing to say, and instead
it comes off as like I care about what's going
on in your world. I hope that it's not an obstacle,
but if it is, I respect you enough to acknowledge.

(59:05):
You know, I loved that. Yeah, just say the awkward
thing out loud. You'll feel better say it. Say it.
It's hard to nice thing to do, but just say it.
I want to talk about some behind the scenes stuff

(59:26):
like the Boy Toy a. We had a conversation while
we were watching the episode about why they never built
a gym, Like all nine seasons we never built a gym.
But also I want to talk about how uncomfortable James
was at the Boy Toy auction. And I want to
talk about the water balloon fight. Okay, so yeah, Hilary,
you've got the inside scoop on the gym. So the

(59:47):
gym situation. This was a constant struggle because because we
were shooting in a real gym. It meant that we
had to film Sunday through Thursday, which was drove to
burgh Off for that most of the time. Right was Lany, No,
Laney was up seventeen. That was but it was a hump.

(01:00:08):
We had a perfectly good high school in town, um,
New Hanover High School, which is in the middle of
all of our characters houses. Um, but we went up
to Laney because that was Michael Jordan's high school and
I think the allure of shooting and yeah, like oh yeah,
because none of us were and Nathan picked Michael Jordan's
number to be his number. It was a whole thing. Um,

(01:00:31):
So we sport, yeah, sports. We shot in that gym,
and it was bad for the crew because they're not
seeing their families. You know, we're dealing with an Ayazi
strike potentially, because crews work eighteen hour days and they
you know, everybody's divorced and no one has relationships with
their children and that's not right. So them having to

(01:00:53):
work on Sundays was really gross. What we got out
of it is that a lot of them brought their
kids to set on Sundays, which lovely. You know, they
come in their little boy scout uniforms and you know,
little league football uniforms. And it became an issue in
like season two where it was like, we've got totally
empty stages, why don't we build a gym? Why don't

(01:01:14):
we build a gym? And it was because the authority
figures on our show, and I agree with them on this,
realized that if we built it on a set and
it became something that could be moved the way any
of our bedrooms or any of the interior houses could
be moved, you just pack up the flats on a
truck and you could take it anywhere. It was when

(01:01:35):
Georgia was getting a really strong tax incentive, and it
was when South Carolina was getting a really strong tax incentive.
And so by not building a gym, it forced us
to stay in Wilmington, and it became an anchor that
secured the location for the crew. So it was a
it was a thoughtful decision, and I agree with it.

(01:01:58):
And sometimes you just got to play the game, you know,
it's like l A's like where's cheap? Yeah, it's like
where can we get the most money? And it took
you know, the producers who were actually on the ground
in town to be like, no, sorry, guys, we've got
this gym. We can never leave. I love it. That's great,
all right, next up? Who's next? Up? You the balloon fight,

(01:02:20):
the water balloon fight, So tell us about it. It
was creezing, it was very cold that night. It was
very cold. The water balloons wouldn't break. What so this
and there was one in particular is the first shot,
which was I was had my back turned and Lucas
grabs water balloon and throws it at me and it's
yours up and it hit my shoulder and we I

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was hit in the back of the head at that
water balloon. Times they didn't pat you no what I mean,
it's I was like, it's a water balloon whatever, Like
who cares the water balloon? You know, you could hit like, okay,
ten times we gotta do the water balloon thing. It
wouldn't break. Sometimes Chad would miss so it would hit
my head instead of my shoulder or you know whatever.

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But they just couldn't figure it out. And it was
the strangest thing because, uh, you know a few times
it's like fine, but after a while, you really just
it's hard to separate acting from real life, and he
just started to feel like I was getting beaten up
on like I was. It was I was back in
sixth grade again, you know, with the kids, Like did

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you feel like they were playing a trick on you
with like these aren't real water balloons? I guess I
don't know. It just felt like can't what can we
Why can we not figure this out? Why do I
have to just keep getting hit over and over over
and over again, and like, yeah, it's just really it
actually made me cry. I got really emotional. I had

(01:03:48):
to walk away. I was like, because it it wasn't
about it. It wasn't painful. It was I mean, it
was water balloon, It wasn't painful. It was the fact
that I was just I had just had to stand
there and take it, and just take the hit over
and over in front of people. You know. It's not
fun to be the one that's like, is everyone laughing
at me? Yeah? Yeah, And it wasn't and nobody was.

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I mean, nobody was laughing at me. I think it
was more just that I I don't know, I I
don't know whatever I said at all. I just I
just it was it was very difficult and exhausting, and um,
that was that was a hard moment. I always think
of that damn water balloon fight all the time. Whenever.
Whenever I think of it all the time, I'm like
water balloon, a damn water balloon where they just broke

(01:04:31):
me down. It was like they just took me right
back to sixth grade. It really really bugged me. So anyway,
I'm glad we finally got it. I don't know what
they had to do, like maybe poke a hole in
it in advance or something like that, but we finally
got it. I walked away. I had to cry. I
didn't let anybody know I was emotional, you know, of
course not. And then I came up, I still thinking
my eye sorry, it's cold out here. So that was

(01:04:56):
the one thing. I'm glad that that's over now and
I don't have to watch it over again. But James,
I remember during this boy toy auction, so we got
the script, We're like, oh my gosh, they're doing a
boytoy action. Hilarious, and we all felt a little weird
about it. And as we talked about them, I just
why would high schoolers do this? I don't get it done,

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But I just remembered James. You know, they had to
paint like they were painting boy toy on his chest
in the makeup trailer, and he had this jersey and
he was to their credit, to his credit at all,
all of those boys, they committed a hundred percent. But
I just remember James being so like, it's so dumb. Yeah,
I don't want to take my shirt off. Guys, Brett

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was all about taking his shirt off. I'm a smoke show.
I'm amazing. Yeah. Brett had so much fun with it
and was so funny. Oh my god, him in the
man panties. But he was also ten years older than James,
you know, like James never been naked in front of

(01:05:57):
a girl before. We don't know. He was like he
was only eighteen. They're like, come on, guy. He really
went great. He plays cocky so well though you wouldn't
know he does. Yeah, he came out on that stage
with so much confidence, which is so wild to watch,

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given that we were all in the makeup trailer being like, no, dude,
you're gonna be great. It's okay, it's you look great. No, really,
this is it's gonna be so funny. We were, you know,
just trying to like encourage him, and then you see
Nathan just being like, yeah, I get this, and it's
so opposite and it's just so sweet. Maybe he cried
to right like he did. I can't remember. I can't

(01:06:42):
believe we forgot to ask Moira about this. But how
fun was it to see, after Karen revealing to Brook
that she was once the captain of the tree Hill Ravens,
to see Moira doing Ravens cheers while Larry's digging up
the time capsule. I loved. That was so fine. She
didn't have any problems learning her routine like we did. Yeah,

(01:07:07):
I was like, I wonder how many days moy were got,
Oh gosh, should we spin the wheel? Do we want
to do wheel? We should spin a wheel. Let's spin
a wheel. Most likely to be an employee at Tree
Hill High as an adult who wasn't well, I mean,

(01:07:30):
Haley was. Antoine wanted this, Remember he said, skills as
the coach of the basketball team, and yeah, Haley's for
sure the principal unless she's on tour. Did Luke become
a coach or something? Did he? Yeah? He and Antoine
were coaching together for a minute there, because remember Lindsay

(01:07:51):
came to the basketball game. Yeah, it was the whole thing. Guys,
Remember we got trapped in the library, right, you know what?
This actually leads us into Holly's question, which is pretty
great because she asked, if you guys didn't watch the
show at the time, how did you know what was
going on with the characters? Did you read the whole script?
Did you do table reads or did you just chat

(01:08:11):
with the other actors about their storylines? Oh my god,
imagine if we'd had the resources to have table reads,
table reads, that luxury, that would have been amazing. I
read the whole script, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, Because we're professionals,
Holly were, we are well, And it's also really important,

(01:08:32):
you know, I will say, on a show like our
is a big ensemble like this, even in the things
we're talking about for this episode, these parallel paths of
um Haley and Lucas Peyton and Nathan brooken Mouth. If
you don't read the whole script, you miss that all
of your characters in their separate scenes are doing versions
of the same thing. You missed the themes. If if

(01:08:54):
you don't read all of it, and I don't know,
also somebody else might be talking about your character and
giving information that you don't yeah to say, Yeah, we
like to have answers. We are ladies who like to
have answers. So we read the whole script. Who they kissing?
I want to know? What are they doing over there? Awesome?

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Well this was such a good like it? What's next week?
What do we got? Next episode is episode nineteen? Guys,
nineteen episodes? How can you be sure? Dunt? Dune down? Don't?
And that that's where we get into from going from
trying to advocate to having to not judge your character.

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Joy's right, you can't do that. You gotta lean in.
Oh man, we're gonna get messy next week. I can't
wait to get messy with you. Guys. I love you
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