The Hollywood Dilemmaᐧ EP514

The girls discuss the demand of working in Hollywood, attempting to find a balance and how it truly affects personal lives. Plus, did someone say major set crush?! Find out who everyone was crushing on during filming and what they used to do about it!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
All about that high school drama Girl Drama, Girl, all
about them.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl
sharing for the right teams, Drama Queens, my girl girl fashion,
but your tough girl, you could sit with us.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Quise Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens
Drama Queens.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
You guys, welcome to this episode. I'm just gonna cop
to my unprofessional behavior right away. We were supposed to
pre watch this episode, and I have just been in
the thick of PTSO responsibilities and I'm just like scattered anyway,
So I didn't do it. I didn't watch it.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's okay, We're gonna fill you in.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
We'll tell you all about it.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'll probably remember once you start talking.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
All right, Well, let's give you a synopsis, shall we.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
That's what I want.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's season five, episode fourteen, What Do You Go Home Too?
It originally aired April twenty first, two thousand and eight,
and this was a big episode for your girl over here.
Brooke gets a phone call that is going to change
her life in a big WAYO has to do with
a baby baby, Millicent and Marvin take a new step
in their relationship. Haley seeks out Peyton about the making

(01:21):
of her next album, Has to Do It Together. Lucas
returns to the Tree Hill Ravens basketball team to discover
that their star player Quenton is injured and lying about it,
and Nathan begins to contemplate what it would take to
get his game back.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Okay, it was a chock full episode, yeah, really was.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
And directed by our friend Liz, Liz Friedlander. That's important.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yes, yeah, oh my gosh, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
It was fun. It was. It was actually weird because
I feel like at the beginning it was a bit
of a slow start with everybody waking up in bed
and she shot exactly what was on the page. It
was great, but for some reason, the music was very slow,
and so it just it took forever for this episode
to get started, and I it's not because of the
content that was on the screen. It was it was

(02:12):
actually like a kind of a weird soundtrack episode for
me in the beginning, but it did pick up as
it went on. But yeah, this was it was cute,
like everybody woke up in bed and it was what
they were thinking first thing in the morning.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
When they were and it was it made me giggle
because Lucas wakes up and he's thinking about Lindsey, and
Peyton wakes up and she's singing about Lucas. Jamie wakes
up and he's thinking about Chester, and Brook wakes up
and is thinking about Brooke, and I was just like,
oh my god, I remember this. It was so funny.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Fun Brook made me giggle.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
As you should at twenty two.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
That's right, she'd be waking up. What makes me happy? Well,
Brooke is so happy in this episode, and Sophia, you
do happy really well, and like, it was just so
fun to see you lit up and bubbly and excited.
And there's so much drama on our show. There's so
many people brooding and being pensive, and Brook's been through

(03:08):
so much that just to watch you have fun and
be excited for basically the entire episode was fun. I
love it.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, oh thanks, I did too. It's nice, especially when
to your point, things are so heavy for so many
of our characters all the time. It's nice to get
to be a little bit of comedic relief, you know,
to make people laugh, to be a little silly like,
you know, she gets the call about this baby coming
into her life, and you know, the device of it

(03:36):
Hill is that there are kids who are essentially sponsored
to have free medical treatment in the US who come in,
you know, from countries where they can't receive treatment for
whatever they're sick with, and they stay with a host
family while they have surgery and recover. And this is
like a test via the adoption agency for Brooke Post.
You know, the fiasco of the woman from the agency

(03:57):
being mean to her, and it's a good little device,
but it's like, I remember how much fun it was
to play the panic in Close Over Bros. With Lisa
when she gets the call and she starts freaking out
to Melissa and like it's trying to get all her
together and can't get her laptop in her bag and
like has a full meltdown about it, and then you know,

(04:20):
goes to buy baby stuff and just buys toys.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
That was fun. My favorite scene.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
It was so funny, Like you two come in and
we're getting all the backstory. It's all the exposition about
the medical stuff, and you're just like, but like food
a crib?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah? No?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
What my favorite was? Your response was Haley goes, did you, well,
did you buy anything for the baby? And you just
stared at it. Me like, look at all of them.
You're sitting in the middle of a baby store. What
are you talking about? And then Hillary and I had
a really good bantern like talking over each other. It
was so funny. It made me actually miss seeing the
three of us do comedy on screen because we hadn't. Yeah,

(04:59):
we haven't seen in a long time.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Our characters haven't gotten to do that.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Yeah, it had been a minute.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Certainly not this year. But also, like, babies don't need anything.
That's That's something that I tell every new parent. I'm like, yeah,
don't buy toys, they don't play with them, they play
with boxes. Don't buy a bed because they either sleep
in your bed or a clothes basket with a pillow.
You know, like, they don't need stuff. When I gave

(05:25):
birth to George, I forgot to buy diapers. It totally escaped.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Me, amazing, Yeah, what'd you do? A couple of old
T shirts? I don't know, sent somebody else out, Jeffrey
own a friend, get to the right aid.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, man, I totally forgot.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
That was a part of it. Lisa Goldstein was giving
me life in this episode. I love her so much.
I love it too, if you guys. And she's just
so sincere. She's so darn sincere and likable.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
What goes on with her in Mouth because I like
that relationship and I like that they are both able
to support brook In. You know, they're both her assistants.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
M h. It's very sweet because they Brooks talking to
Melicent about getting a promotion at Close Over Bros. And
then Mouth gets a call about potentially getting a promotion
to go to another market and become an anchor, and
like really, you know, begin working his way up the ladder.
And it's this moment where you know if he's going

(06:26):
to move to Omaha to do this.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It forces them to more swiftly talk about their dynamic,
and Millicine does that thing that I think so many
of us are encouraged to do, which is, you do
what's best for you and we'll figure it out and
you know, I'll support you, and he he sort of
stops her and says, but I want there to be
a future with us, And Lisa plays it so beautifully

(06:50):
because she she sort of registers shock. And then you've
got Lee going too much too soon? No, I just
is it, you know, And and it's this great it's
this great moment because there's were of forced by circumstance
to admit how strongly they feel about each other.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, and it's special. Yeah, their chemistry is so strong
and so obvious. I just love seeing them together. And
it's fun. It's realistic. Like you start dating somebody, especially
in your twenties, and everybody's got careers, everybody's got dreams
that they're pursuing, and you know, you've got the chemistry

(07:26):
off the bat. You're really into each other. You're thinking
about each other NonStop. You finally get the person that
you've been after you start dating, and then somebody gets
a job off or somewhere, and what are you going
to do?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
That's hard to take the back seat. Like, yeah, when
I met Jeff, I never dated someone that was like
I'm the one that's working, Like.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
I was always one that was working. Yeah, And it was.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Like, do you want to be my plus one? Do
you want to come and like sit behind monitor on set?
And I'd never done that before.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, it was like.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Sure, I guess how did that feel? Well? At that point,
I was never going to act again. And so I
was like, oh, this is like the pivot. This is
when I like hang it up and let him just
do it. And he was like, Okay, you're never going
to act again. Okay, good story, Hillary. But it was

(08:24):
the difficult part was like I'm going to have this
baby and I just have to go wherever you're working.
If we're going to be a family unit, Like I
don't get to call the shot about where we live, right.
I can call the shots about all sorts of other things,
but you determine like if we're going to La or
New Orleans or Puerto Rico or all the places that

(08:44):
we traveled to as a family. I had no control
over that. He didn't have any control over that. It's
like where the production company sends you. So yeah, but
that work thing really forces you to have grown up
talks before it's cool.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Yeah, And so like I guess it's easier when you're
older and you know what, you understand the value of
a great relationship. It's I think it's just a little
easier to prioritize or to say, you know what, this
isn't actually what I want. It's okay, Like you go
do your thing. I'm gonna let's not get too far

(09:18):
down the road now.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Sometimes it's a nice out right it's like, oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
You gotta go see you ladder.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
No.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
But but when you're in your twenties, it's it's hard.
It's hard to know what to do. It's hard to know. Well,
what they decide to do is Millie's going to move
in with Mouth and skills, and Mouth decides to stay
and and keep climbing the corporate ladder. So you know,
we'll see, we'll see what happens with them. But I

(09:52):
thought they were just so great and their conversations were
so sweet, and I really wish Lisa Goldstein was still acting.
I just need her on on a regular basis. She's
so good. She really just draws you in.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And her comedy like, it's really fun to watch someone
who can cut right to the core of your heart
when they're experiencing deep feelings and then in you know,
three breaths make you laugh so hard. She has such
a great range. And yeah, I think I think part

(10:26):
of what I'm realizing as we talk about this stuff,
the dynamics of this, is because so many of our
characters jumped into such grown up careers so early. It's
really refreshing to have a couple of kids that are
twenty one or twenty two going I might get a promotion,
I might get to start at the bottom in this
industry I like, but to do it, I have to move,

(10:48):
Like that's what most people experience. Yeah, they made it
human because their performances are beautiful, but it does it
has that deep nostalgia of that era of your life
that we sort of skipped over in a lot of
ways because we had this like wildly accomplished at a
young age group of characters.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Having to move for work, though, is so jarring, Like,
and I think that's something that we've talked about in
the strike. Maybe we haven't talked about it. My thing
with taking acting jobs is always that they will not
commit to where something is going to shoot for a series.
They're like, well, we think it's gonna go here, we

(11:32):
think it's going to go here, but we can't commit
to it. But let's go ahead and negotiate your contract
where you're married to us for six years minimum and
we'll let you know where you're gonna live later.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah. Yeah, so welcome to Alaska. You have to take
a propeller plane to get here.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
So crazy.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're never going to go to your
kid's soccer game ever again.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yeah yeah. I mean it's real, it's a real struggle.
Another reason why this, you know, not to be labor
of point, but I guess that's what we're doing. The
strike is it's important so things are made worthwhile for artists.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Just tell me where I'm going to live.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, And it's also really odd that there's this idea
that because you get to make art, everything about the
job is a privilege.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
It isn't.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's a job and it's hard, and when your whole
family gets uprooted and people get moved around, I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
There's a lot of sacrifices.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's a lot, and you know, people just think everybody's
rich and most people aren't. Most people aren't making you know,
all that much money, and it's like you do something
because you love it, but your life. I think we're
all in a moment where, particularly when you see all
this cross union organizing, people are saying, look, I want
to like my work, but my life shouldn't come at

(12:50):
the expense of my job. You know, my family, my partnerships,
my parents, all of that.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Do you all remember being kids and like and like
getting People magazine or like watching watching all like the
trashy you know, entertainment shows when we were like little
kids wanting to be actors when we grew up. Wow,
why do they all get divorced? What? Like? I could
not understand, like, man, what's going on in Hollywood?

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Why they all seem so unhappy?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
And now I'm just like man, I from from the
top of the call sheet till the PA on the
call sheet, the entire gamut when you're working sixteen hours
a day and you're not necessarily at home, and I
just don't know how anything survives, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's it's really wild.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
It's baffling.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I was talking to a girlfriend of mine who did
a show I'll protect her privacy, did a show very
similar to ours. Yes, Yes, shot, And we were just
talking about what it's like to grow up on a
series like this, and to your point that people only
pay attention to what the actors are doing, but it's
happening to the whole production everybody. And I will say, like,
I think we've done a pretty good job about talking

(14:13):
about like it wasn't just everyone on our show kissing
everyone on our show.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
It was everyone on our.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Show kiss and everyone behind the scenes too, And like
we were just talking about the whole dynamic and she
killed me. You guys, she made me cackle. She goes, well,
everybody on my show, actors and crew members all dated
each other and we were in LA.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
So what excuse did we have? You have died. It's
the people you're around.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's the sixteen seventeen, eighteen hours a day, like close
to you have time to talk to. But yeah, when
you really think about it, you know it's inspiring Hill,
like to watch the way you and Jeff get to
make them moving around work. But you do have to
sacrifice even to do that. If two parents have similar

(14:58):
careers and it's like, well only one of us can
work at a time, like you still have to sacrifice.
And then you still have to move to Georgia or
the Georgia or Canada or New Orleans, like you still
have to move your family and your kids. And I
don't know, it's a it's it's beautiful and it's.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Heart Yes, I mean it changes every conversation you have
because it was easy when Gus was little, But now
that he's in middle school, we can't just like leave
for a month or two like we did an elementary school.
And so for everyone that's out there doing a job
that is not in the town where their family lives,

(15:40):
that is a huge commitment. And so it's almost like
easier to watch characters in their early twenties without all
of that baggage make these decisions. It's like, go, kid,
you've got no news right now, a good time, do it?
You can live here.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Everything gets serious?

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Oh god?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know who who does that for me in this episode,
who's so innocent that it breaks my heart is sweet
little Jamie when he asks Lucas Hillary, I'm sitting on
a staircase, and Jackson, in his sweet little face, goes,
I think Grandpa Dan's really nice.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Why is everyone so mad at him?

Speaker 4 (16:18):
You just go, oh boy.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
The most difficult question to answer, like, how would you
condense it all? Jackson really shown in this episode. I
thought he just had He was having so much fun
on the basketball court with the guys. Every scene he
was in it was like, I don't know what happened,
but something shifted where it's like he just got comfortable.
It was like he had hit the point where he

(16:41):
felt like, Okay, I got my stride, I'm comfortable here.
This starts is starting to feel like home and like
a place I come to all the time. I can
play here. Now I'm not just expected to show up
and say certain things and stand certain places and be intimidated.
Now he's having fun and you could see it on camera.
It was great.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's really cool, you know what it feels like the
thing which I mean, of course, for little kids who
are acting, they have to learn their lines, they practice
the way they say them. He's not delivering lines anymore.
He's just hanging out with everyone.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, Like he's so at ease and he feels so safe.
I think in all of our relationships that he's just
like bopping around with the guys and it's it is
so endearing, like it almost hurts.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Those guys are so good with him though, Like you know,
we were all messy kids going to bars after work
and stuff and overnight. It wasn't just a change for
Jackson to show up on our set. Everyone was like
expected to be a co parent to this kid. And
for a group of twenty something year old boys, Yeah,

(17:49):
there wasn't anyone that was like, ugh, the kid is here.
You know. They were all so committed to making it
a fun space for him.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
They loved it. But he got to do be involved
in a lot of the the boy in basketball scenes
in this one, especially with Robbie Jones being around. There
is just such a fun convergence of all the all
the Scott boys, including one with Dan who gets on
the elevator at the hospital and it's like the elevator
doors close and it's just Lucas, Nathan, Jack's, Jamie and Dan.

(18:20):
The door's closing, and I was like, I want a
whole episode of this. I need this elevator to get
stuck and I just want the whole episode of these
four boys. And yes, right, yes, because they didn't get that.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
The presence of the kid forces them to hold back.
And it would have been so cool if we'd gotten
to really see it play out.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Stuck in the elevator in afternoon.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, like, give us one hour in the elevator could
have been a whole episode.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah, absolutely, a whole bottle episode, like like the library one,
but in an elevator. I would have been probably real
tough to shoot.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
They made us do the hard stuff. It would have
been such a cheap show too.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
They're like, we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Have all this money one sets, right.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Fantastic. But the basketball stuff was fun to see back
on camera again. To be able to watch the I
mean even just watching Robbie and James play basketball for
two minutes, I feel like we haven't seen that in
a little while. There's been lots of other drama. And
Robbie Jones, to me, was the superstar of this episode.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
He was so good.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
He's incredible, so good timber.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
All the women and our crew had crushes on Robbie.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Yes, yes, I mean he was ridiculously handsome and so charismatic.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I love that you just tried to pull that all
the women on our crew like flouting all.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Of us, every single one of us, Yes, everybody.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
To be clear, everyone was in love with Robbie.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
He was so charming, and I just remember like most
of us were in committed situations. Yeah, And I remember
like there were girls who were like, Oh, I'm gonna
go hang out, and all of us were trying not
to be like jealous. Just let us know how that

(20:06):
works out, fantasy.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, it turned into a lot of you know who
you should yeah, and then tell us about it.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah yeah, who can we live vicariously through?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Who can we set up with him?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Well?

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Little did we know. I think he was dating his
now wife even back then, Sandra Sandy.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
It sucks when you realize that you never had a shot.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Never had a shit. Even if you could, it wouldn't happen.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Because back then we didn't have social media, right, so
you couldn't cyberstalk someone and find out what their situation was.
Like you just assumed you had a shot and you
didn't at all. No, no, because remember we felt that
way about Truco too, Like no one, yeah yeah, Like
Truco was in a relationship, and like all of these

(20:57):
guys were really above board. They were not flirty, they
were very professional, they were lovely. But you just you know,
you're the new kid. Cool, what's your situation? No one
wants to just ask. Instead, we'll all get together like
hens and be like, oh my god, Sow you're talking.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
To what's coming on over there? Well, by the way,
I think this is something important to highlight for our
friends listening at home, because now when you meet someone
or your friend meet someone, the first thing you do
is like go deep on their Instagram.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you couldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
There was no way to check up on anybody's life
and be like, oh, this person clearly lives with a
partner or you know, doesn't play for my team, or
like there was no way to casually figure it out.
So everyone was just like standing around a little antsy
all the time, being like what.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Do we do here?

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
And then you'd have that anxiety of like, well, I'm
in a relationship and this person's being real nice to me,
Like do I have to figure out how to mention
my partner or is that ridiculous?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
And then is this just right?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like I would die?

Speaker 5 (22:13):
You know, it's horrible. You just never knew how to
behave Yeah, yeah, I still feel like I don't. It's
still just awkward. Oh god, if I'm seeing somebody and
then somebody else asks me out and that's like, well,
I mean I'd like to be friends with you, but
like I don't. Yeah, okay, let's go get a coffee.
But like it's just friendly friend calls, right, But then
how do I say it? What do you say? I

(22:35):
can't just randomly bring it up.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Now, what you do is you post on Instagram and
they're like you're you know they're gonna look.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, but like my private life, I don't know all
that stuff out there, but that's what everybody does nowadays.
I guess it's the kid's place.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, it's like having a billboard.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Well, I wonder what uh Peyton and Lucas's instagrams would
have looked like.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oh, it would be a lot of reels set to
cure songs. Peyton would have been deep in the reels.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
I feel like, yeah, I could see that, just.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Making little mini music videos every couple days.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, building a label that would have been good.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I might do that just for fun. Is there have
people created Instagram accounts for our characters.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
That stuff makes me really uncomfortable. I gotta be.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Honest, because you never know, like who thinks it's real.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, I'm like, this feels it. I'm uncomfortable. I remember
there was like a minute was it during our season
seven I don't know where, like all the fake Twitter
accounts of all of us, and then our characters got weird,
and so then I remember like going, well, we should

(23:56):
just run them. That would be fun. Like if we
each ran like Twitter account for our characters.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
And then I was like, I am not getting paid
any money to do.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
This is a full time job, never mind, and I stopped.
I think I did it for like six days.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
But I was like, no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I don't have time to write content for like A
I gotta go.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Not if you're not getting paid for it. No, Hill,
did you ever you know? You were always so music
was such a big part of your life, obviously with
MTV and then Peyton. Did you ever actually consider starting
a label or.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, I was supposed to do with our boss. That
was the whole shtick is that when he was mentoring me,
we were going to start a label, and that was
like the carrot that was dangled, and that was the
thing that was taken away when I when I raised
my voice about things. And so, yeah, starting a label
was something I was definitely into because I had hosted

(24:53):
radio show for college station and like found all these
bands and was going to venues all the time trying
to find on sign like that was it was art
and life converging.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Could you ever see yourself doing that in the future?
Not now?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
No, I mean as my kid gets into music, Like
Gus had a little band for a while and his
chorus teacher has singled him out and had him perform
in town.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
I guess he.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
They were doing karaoke at the end of the school
year and he sank seven Nation Army like he's super
into Jack White and the White Stripes, and his teacher
was like, will you come perform in town? Gus was
very nervous about it, but he did. He went and
he performed in town.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
It was cute.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
And so as he gets involved in that, there's that
part of me that's like, oh that, am I going
to be a Mamager? I don't know, but yeah, I
think I think I wanted Peyton to succeed, and so
I wanted like a real record label to succeed. I
still really like that crossover of fact and fiction in

(26:09):
any kind of TV show or movie. Yeah, Like it's
the Blair Witch effect, right, Like the thing you're watching
feels more fun if it might be real.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yes, So I don't know, Well, I think that's the
whole basis of reality TV, right, it's all scripted.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
But yeah, all right, so then here's what I like though,
because I do have sense memories about you coming into
the red bedroom office and us being like, let's do this,
Let's do Haley's record.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
You guys, you were so fun to watch doing that stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I'm glad it was a fun scene. That song that
they played was something that a friend of mine wrote.
But I also was kind of like, I don't know,
I wish I just wish I had had some better
advice at the time, Like I wish I had trusted
someone to give me better advice, because I feel like
there was such a great opportunity to like find a
really good music and great songs and played just like

(27:07):
super cool stuff. And I remember the stuff that I heard,
just even just since an episode. I was like, oh,
it's kind of lame, Like we need some better stuff
coming in for Haley.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
But your sound has changed a lot since I don't
want not that your sound has changed a lot since then,
but like I feel like you're doing riskier things now
than you were when we were kids, which is, you know,
we've lived a lot more.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, it just feels more like I don't care about
fitting into some particular mold and I'm just trying to
have fun and do what feels authentic to me, which
I just didn't have that in me when I was twenty.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
But I also think you have to give yourself like
a little bit of grace for the context of the era, Like, yeah,
you're still in the era where the where the girl
pop stars were being forced into the kind of music
they were making, and like you, you were being given
music to play as Haley on the show. It wasn't
like they brought in four producers for you to do

(28:03):
four sessions to figure out who made you come alive
as an artist and then sayeah, okay, Joy, go make
music like you were working a double full time job.
Like sorry, seventeen hours a day is two is nearly two,
it's like two eight hour days. Yeah, you know, twenty
four hour period.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Like they would hand me a guitar and be like,
can you just play something from the beginning of the scene.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I was like okay, yeah, Like I think you got
to like let yourself up off the mat a little
bit there, because it's not like somebody took you in
a studio for two weeks and was like, let's come
up with something amazing for this one scene. They were like, hey,
you have a scene on Wednesday, and we have to
record a song tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Like yeah, or do you have anything? I'm like, yeah,
I mean I guess I wrote something when I was
nineteen four years ago, but you probably got something right. Sure,
sure o man and the fact again, but again, like
how easy to be taking advantage of I mean, come on, yeah,
it's a whole other talent, a whole other skill. I
just get hired for acting. And how people expect you

(29:03):
to do things that are gonna end up on a
soundtrack and then never get paid for it because it's
the character that's singing.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Wow, we weren't learning cheerleading dances anymore, so they needed
us to jump through. It's probably separate hoop, different hoops.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
For me to hear you say Hill that you remember
the scenes, because like, you know, we're we're talking about
having just watched it. But that's so that's so neat
because for me, you know, when we all watch together
and we talk in real time about an episode, it's
one thing. But I literally wrote in my notes, I
was like, I love being an audience member right now,

(29:39):
just watching the two of you, Like when you came
in the office, Joy and you started to you know,
talk to her and there's all this good news about Mia.
But I could tell you were nervous and then you're,
you know, telling her how proud you are of her.
I was like, she wants something?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Oh my god? Is this when she's gonna say she
wants to make music? Or is it something else?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
What's happening?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Like I was like excited watching the two yeah, and
hoping I was right. And I don't know, like, it's
it's cool to hear that even though you didn't get
to watch this morning, you remember those scenes viscerally all
these years later.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, the storyline I definitely remember vividly because I love collaboration,
and I for the longest time tried to make my
romantic relationships collaborative. To me, that was like the most
intimate kind of relationship you could have with someone where
you're like doing a project together, like doing a thing.

(30:36):
And that's what I wanted. And then I realized I
didn't have to put so much pressure on my romantic
relationships if I cultivated that with my female friendships.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And so I started just.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Like doing projects with chicks, you know, and I have
like my producing partners, and I have my girlfriends from
high school that I do charity work with and like
ladies here in my town that clearly I'm doing like
stuff at the school with and that that sense memory
of like Peyton and Haley being like, let's go down

(31:10):
this road together. It excited me. That's the kind of
relationship that I like most in my real life. So
it's fun to play because you're like, oh, this it's easy.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, me too. And I think that's such an important
thing that you learn as you age, Like if you
have to have a project in a romantic relationship, you
run the risk of your relationship just being a project
instead of instead of like your one safe haven versus

(31:42):
if you have projects with a bunch of the people
you love to be around, but who you're not trying
to get that singular romantic filment from you, actually you
cultivate healthier relationships on both sides. But I think it
can be so easy, you know, in our any world
of like content and this and that to be like ooh,

(32:03):
power couples. I'm like, mm hmm, I don't know if
that's it.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
No, man, Jeff and I stick to our lanes. Man, Yeah,
I also don't you just need space? Like well, yeah,
maybe I'm an introvert. But damn I could not know.
But go, please go away for the day and come
back at the end of the day. I can't wait
to see you for dinner. Yeah, surprise me.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Come home and like have something to tell me I
don't already know.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yes. And I like working in collaborative relationships with my
friends because their problem solving skills are different from my
problem solving skills, and we're not always going to see
eye to eye, and there's room to like learn from
each other and stuff. I don't want that at home.
Like at home, I just want it to be fuzzy

(32:49):
and soft, you know, like oozie.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
I don't want to do like a negotiation at home.
I want to do a negotiation like in the middle
school gym when we're trying to figure out where to
hang the decorations.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, well, you don't want your dining room table to
feel like a conference.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
No, that's a great point.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You need separateness. And I think, thinking about this in
real time with you guys right now, I go, oh, right,
it's this dynamic that we've modeled so well through evolutionary
phases of these characters on our show and It's why
I think everyone always comes back to our characters, our

(33:29):
female friendships, being the love story. Yeah yeah, because like
this is building long love and community together. And yeah,
look at us modeling healthy dynamics before we even knew
what they were on.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
No, but from like Close Over Bros. When they're in
high school to this new phase of the record label
and now Haley's relaunching her career, I think that women need.
There's so much bad stuff that was directed at our generation.
Like look at the board games they had when we
were little girls. It was like that call a boy

(34:08):
game or like go to the mall game.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah, dress up for your date, ye, mystery date.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Everything was just like bing dong, you know, like so embarrassing.
And so I think for our generation to have like
an example of girls hanging out with each other, not gossiping,
not being bitchy, not plotting anything sinister. They're like helping
each other level up. That's awesome. I love leveling up

(34:37):
with my girlfriends in real life. And so yeah, it's
fun to see. It's fun to see the gang do that.
And I love that Hayley's doing music again.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Yeah, me too. It's nice to see her hit that
spot in her life.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Joy. Was that something that you had expressed, like at
this stage of the show, wanting to do more of
as Haley or was that something they were more bringing
to you asking you to do.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
I think I might have gotten I think this might
have been around the time I got my deal with
Epic HM. Was it what I had blonde hair? Then
I chronicle my life by my hair? Was really? Yeah,
I don't know. I don't remember. I wish I remembered.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
This is when you were doing Everly. I think because
I remember, oh, yeah, it could have been our Christmas
party and then our rap party.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah, I think it could that. That could very well be. Yeah,
I was. I was trying to you were playing figure
out what I what I wanted to do, how I
wanted to sing or sound or you know, it's just
so hard to figure that stuff out, like exploring this
whole side of yourself as an artist when you've me
you made my whole career as an actor. I had

(36:01):
been doing that for so long that it was fun
to have that opportunity, but it was weird to not
have that opportunity to experiment artistically and kind of follow
my face and figure it out and figure what a
crowd likes and what they don't like and what I enjoy.
And because I was, it was on TV, and if
I had done concerts, it would have been a whole thing.
So without having a whole team behind me, and even

(36:25):
if I had, then what would I have just become
like a pop machine? I don't know. It was weird.
It was weird to try and figure that out. So
I don't know that I ever really got the time
to understand and explore my own artistic prowess in that way.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
It can be really hard to find your voice when
you're already famous.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
It's interesting. I hadn't thought about that before. Yeah, but
I feel for you.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
In that, Like there are things I've wanted to do
for my own expression as a human, like Lanes I
would love to drive down that I won't because we
get judged very differently.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah, Like it's not like.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
You know, to your point, going and trying out music
or like learning to do stand up or any other
kind of expression where you go and you work your
way up the scene. We bring a scene wherever we
go because of One Tree Hill.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
And that is.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
But oh boy, yeah, like it can cut you quick
because because people think like they're always looking for a
reason to tell you're a failure when you're already a
success in their eyes. It has nothing to do with
how each of us feels in our own selves. And
so I, yeah, God, I really feel for you in
that because it's not like you could have just been

(37:44):
going and doing open mics and and you know, playing
small venues like without any fear or pressure.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
You know, yeah, I think that's the thing is I
didn't have the tools to know how to handle the
fear or pressure because I could have done it. I mean,
there are people out there who, like James Franco, went
and did a soap opera in the middle of his
like the height of his career. You know, like there's
so many it's just so out of the box. And
I think there's something super badass about just being an

(38:14):
artist and you just whatever you want to try, you
just do. Just go do it. Go try something, whether
you fall fat on your face or not. But there
is so much anxiety and pressure around maintaining a certain
level of what people expect of you that to be
able to just lay that aside and say I don't

(38:34):
really care what people are going to think about this.
I'm just going to do it because it feels good
and it's fun. It's that is like the ultimate of
being able to be an artist to me, But I
don't know that a lot of us get there because
there are so many pressure points along the way.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
It was always weird to me that all of the
musical acts on our show were solo acts, right, because
I think band dynamics are so interesting and like so
ripe for drama and all of those kind of really
heated personal relationships and like, I don't know, you've played

(39:17):
with bands like you have toured with people. It makes
me sad that Haley didn't get like a band I
know that would have been fun, like none of our
acts did. It was always just like, I don't know,
solitary in a way that I don't I haven't experienced
in the music industry. My experience in the music industry

(39:38):
is like band culture, where you're in a van with
four or five other people and you gotta figure it out.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
And we didn't get to.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Do that on our show. What would Haley's band I
look like? Would have been like all chicks.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Like the Donnas that see that would have been great,
like super forward thinking for the time. That would have
That would have been the band that Peyton put together
for her and said this is what we need to do. Oh,
that would have been great. I would think drummers are
so hot. Last time I was in Wilmington, I played
a concert and I have Megan Jane, who's a great
drummer here in Nashville, came out and she played in

(40:15):
Wilmington and she's just she's so awesome. Reminded me of
Jane a lot.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Jane Beck.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Jane Beck. Yeah, she's very similar energy, really calm and cool.
But I love a female drummer. They're just like so
settled in their body and they just just feel it out.
Everything is so dropped in. Yeah, anyway, that's all I
have to say about that. But yes, I also love
female drummers.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
So cool.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Haley needed a band. Man. Did you guys see six
by the way yet? Have you seen Six the musical?
Not yet?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I really want to.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
It's so good. Do you know? Do you even know
what I'm talking about?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
It's the wives of Henry the Eighth right.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah, but like Spice Girls, it's you know, funny but
super there's a female it's an all female band on stage,
and none of the women who are the actors ever
leave the stage either. They they're all on it for
the entire ninety minute run, all dancing, all participating each
other songs. They work their asses off. But watching these

(41:14):
this all female band just go at it every night
and they're killing it on stage, it's so fun.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I love it, and I love the different personalities in
a band, Like I just showed Gus almost Famous, and
it's such a good example of like here's the drummer
who's a little bit goofy, right, and then here's like
the super moody lyricist guitar player who's neo Yeah, Bank season.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Charge probably is.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
And then Jason Lee playing the lead singer who is
just a dipsh and sudden so lovable, and then yeah,
your bass player is pretty mysterious. Always I wish that
we had gotten to play with that, because as deep
as our show, when into music territory, you know, it
was always just when you were expected to do all

(42:03):
the heavy lifting all by yourself instead of having a
support group.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, too many other characters. I can't pay for all
those all those band members.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
If you had to set up your band here's the question. Okay,
and we couldn't pay new people to come in. Okay,
who failely recruit to be the band?

Speaker 5 (42:22):
So good? That's so good? Oh man? Uh, Who's who's
on drums? I think if you feel like we have
to start with drums and that feels like just because
I'm so super in love with Robbie Jones in this episode,
I'm gonna go with Robbie on the drums. Also, he's
a basketball player, even though in this episode he's hurt
his hand.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh there are one armed drummers.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah, and hey, look if he could never play basketball again,
which is what his doctor told him in the last episode,
he can be my drummer, so I want so yes, Uh,
I definitely would. I mean it would be really fun
to have Baiting and Brooke as backup singers. But you
guys have your own careers, so I don't know. If

(43:06):
that we could shoop shoop here and there, we could
do it. Yeah, we got time, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Block out studio days will be fine.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly who's on guitar? Who's just like mellow
and sexy and oh am?

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I thinking of yeah, they gotta be like lanky guitar
players are always lank, lanky.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, why do I feel like it would be Uncle Cooper?

Speaker 5 (43:31):
That's what I was thinking too.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
It was kind of.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
But I was like, I don't know, is it too?
Is he like in the story? Enough? Yeah, I'm gonna
go with Uncle Cooper. He would be on the guitar
or the bass actually, because he's got that mysterious thing
going on too, and all the bass players are always
so you gotta get a chick bass player, I know.
That's what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I know,
because I'm like, we need some more girls in this band.

(43:55):
Millie doesn't feel like she's in a band to me.
I mean Rachel if she got her act together killer. Actually,
you know what, Rachel could be on drums too. I
gotta say, Yeah, she's got to.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Be on like one of the aggressive instruments. Yes, for sure,
something that she's got a hit or slap, either the
face or the drums. Yes, love it, get it out
of her system. Yeah. I like this band.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah, me too. That's good. Let's imagine this. We have
to talk a little bit about Peyton and Lucas. Can
I segue?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Fill me in? What did I cry about this week. Friend.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Well, here's what was weird. So we're like, we're hanging
out with Brooke, We're helping her figure out stuff with
the baby. She invites Nathan and Lucas over. I think
maybe I missed it. I don't know. Why did they
come over just congratulations?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I guess it sort of just felt like, yeah, people
were like, you're getting a baby.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, they just showed up. It's like publishers clearing house.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It's like, no, it's temporary, but it's cool.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
I don't know. So you come around the corner holding
something to with babies, and Lucas is there, and you
both stare at each other, and it is the longest,
most awkward, like, oh you're here, Oh you're here. H
Neither of us knows what to do, and neither of us.
Neither of you could look away and pretend like everything
was fine, because that wasn't in this gript so you

(45:16):
just had to stand there and stare. But then they
cut to you, guys walking. You've left the group and
the two of you are now taking a private walk,
which felt very abrupt and sudden. After the whole wedding fiasco,
do you remember that at all?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Where were we walking? Like, were we inside or outside?

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Outside? I was like, where was it?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I think it was out at the beach on Summer
Rest Road.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yes, it was a neighborhood road.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I was gonna say, isn't it supposed to be the
exterior of my house? Yes, but we never went there
because Brooks House was in Carolina Beach.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
So yes.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Sometimes we would just go to random places and be like,
this is her neighborhood and I'm.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Like, is it, yeah, neighborhood street.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
I have like sinormary because Liz's episodes really stood out
to me. She had like older sister energy that I
was very very drawn to. And I would would get
just like so excited, and then you know, like when
you're excited about hanging out with an older chick, that's cool,
and you're like, don't be a dork, don't be a dork,
really getting nervous. And I remember being at that location

(46:21):
with her and we had to pace out the walk
and Chad was either still getting ready or just like
wasn't there, And so she and I pasted it out
together and she was reading all of Lucas's lines and
I was just like, don't be a dork Hillary, Like,
I just have strong memories of that, so strong that

(46:42):
I can remember the road.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
It is some arrest road out.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yes, I'll remember it forever.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
It was funny because you're talking about, oh, are you
sorry about Lnday and he's like, no, we're gonna get
back together. Everything's really good. It's fine. You know, she
loves me. It'll be good. But the chemistry between the
two of you is heavy. It was good. I felt
it felt like, oh, oh yeah, this is what we've
been missing little Lucas and Peyton.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
I remember in earlier seasons when like people would tell me, oh,
you and Chad have such great chemistry. I would get
so mad, be like, what what are you talking about?
We don't We're doing our jobs right. And then by
the time we got to this season, I was a
little cocky about it.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
I was like, yeah, put them in a room with me.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
What happens, Well, make them sweat? Yeah. Well. I liked
of all the stuff they rushed on our show. I
liked how drawn out this Lucas Peyton thing is.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Yeah, I mean to make it hurt, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yes, and and by the way, make it make it
take time, you know, like the the wedding fiasco is
a big deal, like let it sit and draw out.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I like when we give the characters opportunities to really
go through their complex emotions and process those things, because
sometimes on our show, it's like, well that was fun,
and like two scenes later and it's over and you're.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Like we what, Yeah, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Sometimes you just get a baby. Yeah, just boom, you got.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
A phone call.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
She'll be here in an hour.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Owen. Owen didn't show up because they didn't want to
bring him in pay for the episode, so they brought
in Chase just to say like ohen uh oh was
not coming why. But Chase also felt weird because he
wasn't in it for that much, like he was in
and out. But it's been so long since we've seen him.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I don't know, Hillary, You're gonna freak when you see
the scene I get in a fight with Owen on
the phone. He's clearly not there and I'm like, well,
figure it out, and he's being weird about the baby okay,
yeah dum yeah, And you say something about like this
guy who like you, you've barely even kissed or haven't
even kissed yet, whatever, it is, and and then Chase

(49:12):
shows up and I'm like, oh, Owen's on his way,
and he's and he basically says that he's not, and
I think he's come in his place. But he's explaining
to me that Owen's really threatened with the baby stuff
and he really values his independence and that you know,
he wanted to say goodbye but probably couldn't wait.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
You got broken up with via Chase through Chase.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
And then I say he sent you and he goes, no,
I came on my own because I feel for him,
because I know that I know how he feels, and
he probably feels like if he looked in your eyes,
he would throw his independence away. And he's basically flirting
with me, telling me that it's hard for him to
say goodbye to me, and and that like looking at

(49:57):
me makes boy's cave. And then he's like, you know,
call me if you need someone to talk to advice
the husband, and I go, I'm sorry, did he just
offer to be her husband when his roommate is dating her?

Speaker 5 (50:09):
It was so weird, really funny, really funny scene.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
It was funny, but Steven did a great job. Honestly.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Yeah, that's so uncomfortable. I think so too.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
My entire storyline this season is uncomfortable and ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
But here, what to do with you? They were?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I mean they really Your stuff with Victoria is awesome,
but otherwise they're.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Like an independent woman.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh good god, what am I do with that?

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Ain't that the truth? Ah?

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Baby, you made it work. You made it work, and
you got that baby, which was like a sweet baby.
It was two of them, right.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
I remember that baby.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
She had so much hair and I loved she was
a little butterball I love.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Yeah, that's a great shot at the end.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah, how weird for parents to bring their new baby
onto a set and have all these strangers want to
touch it? Like I didn't think about that when we
were in the thick of it, but now as a parent,
I'm like.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
What, Yeah, so strange? I must be really, I don't know.
I mean, I guess to each their own. Maybe somebody's
comfortable with it. It would make me so uncomfortable. I
could not do that.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, you also hit that point in early parenthood where
you're like, anybody take this baby. So maybe that's the
phase we like, that's actually improbably.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
If someone could just hold this for me.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Yeah, you're just so sleep deprived. Like, am I gonna
be allowed to sleep? Because I will hand this baby
to you. If there is a friendly that I I
need to.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Go disassociate for thirty five minutes, someone take the baby.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I spent last weekend with with my best friend and
my godson, and one of her closest friends in Detroit
has a six month old. She came to eat with
us and like, you know, we sit down to eat
and I'm like, give me the baby, and she's like, no, no, really,
it's fine. And I was like, you have a six
month old. You haven't been able to independently use your
hands to eat a meal? Yeah, in more days than

(52:09):
I bet you can remember, So just give me the baby.
And she was like, oh my god, you so.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Don't say no.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Just give me the baby.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
We got, give me the baby.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Let's pass this little boy around.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I love it. Do they touch you? They're always they're
always touching you and on you and pulling at you.
And it's great, it's great that you did that for
I can't I have a role now, Like I can't.
She can't touch me when I'm eating, She'll do me no,
Like I can't I did. It was too much when
she was a baby. So now that she can eat independently,
I mean, obviously I get just twelve years old. But

(52:42):
like for many years, I've said, just don't you cannot
touch me if I'm eating. It's too stressful.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
George pinches when she's eating. She has a thing where
when she's eating, she has to pinch your knuckles or
your elbow.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
I thought that was just when you were reading her
a story.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
It's all the time. But like it used to be
when I was reading her story, she'd be like drinking
her bottle and she would do it. No, she has
to be pinching your loose flesh so that you feel
so old and pruney and wrinkly. If she can find
loose flesh on you, she's going for it. Ear lobes,
She's real into those that. Yeah, she's a pincher.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yeah. The last thing we have here is Barbara's back.
Barbara at the end comes in as the nanny that
Haley finally hires. I remember doing the scenes we were
interviewing all those nanny's. Was pretty funny. But yeah, we
hire Barbara. So I'm super excited that the barber's back.
But that's Oh, that's right, because that's how she ends
up in the cornfield with Nanny carry later, isn't it
also how she ends up with skills? Oh you might

(53:42):
be right about that.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Guys. That is like that is a core memory.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
So much juicy stuff coming juicy, love it, ready for it?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'm into that all right? So what are your honorable
mentions for this episode?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
What are we thinking? Robbie Jones for me? I guess
I gotta say like he wins, he was so good.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Do we have a fan question for this episode?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
What do we got? I also honorable mention to mouth
having the ingredients for an apple martini and in his apartment.
It's pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
In an apple martini.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I do not.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I do not drink apple flavored gross.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
But like when you're twenty one, you think it's cool
and fancy. I did, yeah, And now I go, you
couldn't pay me. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Gross. Green apple martini is made with apple liqueur. That's
where we stop right there. Vodka, apple liquor lemon juice. Gross.
It's basically just like it's like a Jollie Rocks. Yeah,
it's like a yeah, like a juice box or a
jolly rancher. I bet that would be better.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Like if you had a little Caprice Son apple juice
with vodka some vodka.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Cool would probably be delicious.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
I'm sure somebody's on a rap drink in that right now.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
All summer long. George can't say Caprice Son. She calls
him prissants, and I thought she priissants, like she kept
saying it like it was this fancy French drink, like Mom,
I need a Priissants, and I'd be like, what are
you talking about, Caprice Son. We're gonna call a Caprice

(55:32):
Son and vodka priissants.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
So our fan question is, if Haley and Nathan didn't
get married in high school, do you think they still
would have ended up together? From Ashley, I don't think
it had anything to do with getting married, No, I
think it was having the kid together because they both
came from complicated parental relationships, and Haley's was certainly better

(55:57):
than Nathan's. But I think they they both wanted to
reinvent what parenting looked like and committed to it. Yeah,
because every time you two fight in these like post
high school years, it's always like well, let's pull our
shit together for the kid, right, was figured it.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Out for if they didn't have the kid, though, do
you think No? I don't think so either. Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
No.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I think they both would have just moved on and
missed each other and like found other people, because I
think a.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Lot of people will work things out for kids, and
sometimes that's beautiful and sometimes they shouldn't. H Like, sometimes
people use.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Well, it's not really working it out well.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Exactly, it's like you stay because of the kid, but
then you just model like a toxic, unhealthy relationship for
a kid who has to unpack it for the next
twenty five years in therapy. Sorry kid, Sorry, So that's tough.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
But like I also, I think.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
It can be really interesting because I think sometimes like
the idea of kids, the idea of what your dynamic
is going to be for children, can be the reason
people call it as well. Yeah, and so there really
is something interesting about Haley and Nathan because they got
pregnant so young that they had to evolve into a

(57:17):
dynamic together not only into their marriage as adults, but
into it with a baby. Yeah, you know, like that's
a lot of work that they had to do, and
I think I think as an audience, witnessing it and
knowing they loved each other and knowing how hard they
worked on it made us root for them. But yeah,

(57:39):
if they didn't have the kid, like, would would they
have worked that hard? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Is there a faction of the audience that ever wanted
Haley to break up with Nathan and be with Lucas,
like to do the Dawson's Creek thing, right?

Speaker 5 (57:52):
I remember hearing a little bit of that and some
of the fan mail that I would get early on
people like there was definitely a small, small, much smaller
camp of people who are interested in that, but it
went away pretty quickly. I never heard much of it
after season two. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it was Lucas
and Peyton. I mean, I think that was the story

(58:13):
that had been set up since the pilot. That's that
was the story that they had to finish and follow through.
No turning back, kids, no turning back. Well, I'm glad
that Haley and Nathan stayed married. Me too, and I
find it believable.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Like I just it's back to school time and I'm
looking at my Facebook to see all of my friends'
kids going to school. And I love the couples from
my hometown that are still together from high school, like
so sweet. Their kids are old as hell, they had
kids like ight away kids are going to college now
and I can love it. Good for them. Do we

(58:51):
want to spin a wheel?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Give me that wheel and a spinning This week's most
likely too, most likely to win big at a casino?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Well, we don't gamble, so yeah, that's what you just said.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Yeah, what is big?

Speaker 5 (59:14):
All right?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Character? Which characters take it at home? Deb's got casino energy?

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Yeah, like deb at the craps table, just clean it up.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Oh my god, I want that for her so bad,
to just walk out of there with like one hundred
thousand dollars and.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Be like, yeah, she's a what I mean? And it
might be Barb in real life.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Yeah, I was gonna say too, it feels like Barbara. Yeah,
because Barbara just feels like a lucky woman, like her
daughters are amazing, everything's always like, you know, she's just
such a positive force and always always nice. Good things
happen around Barbara.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Yep, She's so vividly alive. And I love that now
that two of her daughters are adults. They're just like
doing cool girls trips together, like their trips all over America.
There's got to be a casino in there somewhere. I'm
I'll call Emily, girl. You and your mama win some money,
I hope. So, all right, what's next week? I'm gonna

(01:00:13):
watch next week's episode now that I now that I'm
all caught up. Uh, Season five, episode fifteen, Life is short.
That's an understatement. All right, ladies, thanks for covering for
me this week.

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