The Real Life Grubbs EP 712

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama. Girl Drama, Girl,
all about them.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
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our comic girl sharing for the right teams. Drama Queens,
Girl of Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could
sit with us.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens
Drama Queens.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, hey, Tree Hill fans, welcome back to the show.
You have me and Robert Buckley today and a very
special guest. How you doing, rob.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
I'm doing well. It's good to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
You too.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
You have you look kind of like you just stepped
off the set of Grease. Right now you're out describe
it to the people, because I'm a guy and I
wouldn't be able to describe it.

Speaker 6 (00:46):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I've got a light pink satin headband and a light
pink and orange satin shirt. This is uh. This is
one of the wonderful things about knowing how to get
ready really fast is you find you have glamorous things
in your closet. And about ten minutes ago, I was
laying in my bed with greasy hair and overnight T

(01:07):
shirt because I've been working from my bed all morning.
I just got up a flight yesterdam exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I just put on the same black T shirt every day,
the same black T shirt. That's it. I will say, though,
that you guys were pretty cruel having me on right
after the Golden Bachelorette premiere. It did a lot of
crying last night.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh no, well, actually, our audience doesn't even know who
you are yet. We have to tell ladies and gentlemen,
the voice that you're hearing is Michael Grubbs aka Wakey
Wakey aka Grubs, the bartender in One Tree Hill. Akay,
got your ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hi, it's me, It's me. It's so cool to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Thanks for having me, of course, buddy, thanks for being here. Listen,
y'all gott to hop on the YouTube to check out
a Joy's cool retrofit and be just the monster glow
up that Grubs has had. I mean, he was a
handsome guy before, but you got to see what he
has going on now. He looks like a man who
figured it out right.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I would say, Robert Buckley, someone who is literally I mean,
so many memes made of just your gorgeousness, and for
you to say that to me, just based on how
you know it's it's it's big, it's big words.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I am, why does your skin still look exactly
the same like baby skin? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'll tell you, honestly what it is. It's a setting
on Zoom that you can put on called make me
not look like crap, and it's it's it's an add on.
I got it's pretty expensive, but uh no, I don't.
I don't. I think honestly. My beard turns so white
and I'm I'm allergic to die, so I can't dye

(02:43):
my beard. It will it burns my face off. So
I'm just I'm a natural guy, and I kind of
I don't know. Maybe that's it. It's it's because of
the wild whiteness of my beard next to my face,
and it makes me look better skinned.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Do you still have the softest beard in the world.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
No, the softest beer in the world now belongs to
my dog bus He's yeah, sitting here say he's way
softer than I am. But that is very sweet of
you to say. Now I'm blushing.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Go ahead, Rob, I was gonna say, Grubbs is using
the filter that's called doesn't have kids.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It is it is hound dogs instead of kids. It's
the best way to stay young.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Oh, sleep, it'll keep you youthful.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I've been doing it lately. It's great.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Thank you for being here today, buddy. I've been excited
for you to be on. I kind of started on
this podcast basically I left the show and then kind
of never revisited it. So when I joined the podcast,
I was sort of kind of watching the show as
like a first time viewer, and so all of it.
I remember some stuff, you know, but there's have been

(03:50):
a lot of surprises, and you were such a fantastic
surprise this season. And i've because the truth is like,
we didn't interact very much, so I didn't really know
your story, and it has been so much fun to
watch you do your thing. And then when this episode happened,
you know, and you play your first song, it was like, oh,

(04:10):
this is we got we gotta bring him in for
this man.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, I have so many questions for you, but actually,
would you do us the honors of reading the synopsis?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Here we go synopsis by Grubbs. Episode seven hundred and twelve,
or seven one two as the kids call it. Season seven,
episode twelve, Some Roads Lead Nowhere. The air date was
December seventh, two thousand and nine. As Nathan and Haley
prepare for the Famili's move to Barcelona, Brooks struggles to
accept Julian's reaction to Alex's crisis. Quinn helps Clay hatch

(04:42):
a plan to win back Nathan as a client. Meanwhile,
Millie's downward spiral puts her and Mouth at a crossroads,
and Dan Scott's pronouncement shocks Rachel and his audience.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Y nice, no notes?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
All right, so new kid in high school? How did
it feel well coming onto the show for the first time?
Wintree Hill? How did the job come about? How did
it feel coming onto the set that was already kind
of a well oiled machine at that point? Like? What
was your vibe?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I mean, my story is crazy. I might as well
be like an astronaut that got dropped on the moon.
I had no idea what I was walking into. I
had never been on a film set, or a television
set or anything. My origin story with the show involves
me playing at an open mic in New York and
Brooklyn and being spotted by Shane Fuel, one of the
writers on the show. Yeah, and Shana, who has to

(05:34):
this day like a good I sang at her wedding.
But I when I I went to this open mic
just to hang out and I saw Shana, and to
be totally honest with everyone, I really wanted to flirt
with her. I wanted, and I didn't know her, and
I was scared of her. So I asked my friend
that ran the open mic to set me up to
sing next so she would like hear me sing and
then I'd be confident enough to talk to her. So anyway,

(05:56):
I've seen these songs. I went over and I was like,
you know, kind of sauntered up, and she like, she
was like, I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm wearing
a giant engagement ring and I know that you don't
see that because you're like a guy from Brooklyn, but
this is this is it. I'm flattered that, you know whatever,
but I want to talk to you about your songs
and this show. And so the next week she brought
the boss out to see the same open mic. I

(06:19):
sang the same songs, and they started using the songs
on the show. That led to basically me somehow having
a relationship with a cast and I was a bartender
at this plays Schiller's liquor bar that was like kind
of like a cool spot in Brooklyn. And so anytime
the cast came to New York for like you know,
what's upfronts or stuff like that. I don't know, anytime
they were in New York, a crew would always come

(06:42):
to the bar and hang out.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
No way, no, wait, hold on a second.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah you actually you were grubs in real life before
you were grubs on One Tree Hill.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I can't believe you guys don't know the story. This
story is, yeah, this is this is this is the
coolest thing of the whole thing. I mean, this is
like the craziest of luck ever. So they would come
to the and it got to the point though, like
the first time everybody like there was like maybe six
or seven folks came and sat at the bar. And
Schiller's was like an intense environment to be in, like

(07:15):
it was a wild place. It was very cool. It
was loud. Everyone came and sat down. I threw menus
in front of everyone and everyone was like, uh, I
don't know, and I was super busy, and I was
just like, you know what, guys, I know what. You
all want to drink, I'm just gonna make your drinks.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Stop it right now.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
This is real, Swear to god, it's a completely true story.
And we talked, yeah totally, and so I just made
drinks for everyone because it was like a great bar.
It was like it was like a cocktail bar before
cocktail bars like that really existed kind of in New York.
So I made everyone just like really delicious, fancy cocktails

(07:54):
and everyone was like, this is awesome, and like it
was I think to the point where like James, I
like cracked open a beer and gave him like a
you know, everyone, I nailed it. It was awesome. So anyway,
that became beyond the show grubs, the bartender that could
guess everyone's strengths. But yeah, so fast forward to I
made my first record and nobody knew who we were

(08:17):
and it was clear we were never going to be successful.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wait wait wait, why why was it clear you wouldever
going to be successful? Then you can't just skip.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Over that nobody cared, nobody cared about our music whatsoever.
It was wild. I mean, it's just I feel like
this is probably the experience that so many musicians have too,
because music is such a fickle thing, and I was
the exact same guy that I am now is the
exact same guy that played the music on the show.
And I would go to bars and I would play
my music and everyone would just talk over it and
nobody cared. I remember, like before the first sync placement happened,

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I was already in my thirties, and I called my
mom and I was like, you know what like and
my parents were musicians too, and they were super proud
of me that I was trying to be a musician
in New York. And I called my mom and I
was like, hey, you know, I just can't make this work.
And I don't. I don't really want to do it
anymore because I can't. Nobody cares, and it's it's so
hard to care about something so much and I have
nobody care. And then so I told her I was

(09:12):
gonna quit and get another job. I hadn't variable with
the other job was going to be yet. And then
the first sync happened, which was on season six, and
it was Worstweater was the song and they played it
like front to back, and the next day that song
was like number thirteen on the iTunes charts at the time,
and I called my mom and I was like, suck.

(09:32):
That's the power of this show for music. I mean,
it would it was wild. It made my career. Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Wow, like you were ready to give up, you were done?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I was out. I was done. And it's fine.
I mean, at some point, I know we have to
talk about some roads leading to nowhere.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
But the we'll get there.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah. But yeah, So anyway, fast forward, that placement happens.
That's awesome. People start to know who my band is.
The cast is coming to the bar to hang out.
I'm guessing everybody's drinks. And then I finished my first record.
I invite the boss of the show to come out
to New York. I play him the record and he
was like, I'm gonna write you a role on the show.

(10:14):
He's like, because these songs are too good for people
not to know them, which is like very flattering, and
I did not believe it for a second. He was like,
I'm gonna write you a role. You're gonna play yourself.
Your character is gonna be grubs. You're gonna be a
bartender that knows what everybody wants to drink. And then
we're gonna set you up as like this hero character
and everyone's gonna we're gonna make you really lovable, and
then halfway through the season, we're gonna reveal that you're

(10:34):
a musician. And I was like, sure, buddy, sounds great.
I'll like awesome and I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Like, oh, wait by the phone.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah yeah, I'll be here waiting, And literally month later,
I was i'd like played some shows on tour, and
I was on my way back from like the saddest,
most empty show in the world in the back of
this van and my phone rang and it was a
show and they were like, hey, we're doing this weekend

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and I was like, oh, I gotta work. I gotta
you know, I'm at the bar and they were like,
do you think you could cover it? And I was
like maybe, and they're like, yeah, we really want you
to come down and tape your first episode and I
was like what. So then I went to the bar
and told him that I had to start taking the show.
Everyone was super scited. My manager at the bar, who
was like kind of a jerk to be fair, like,

(11:22):
I don't want to. I think it's really unfair to
frame people that aren't here to protect themselves. But he
was a tough manager, I guess is a good way
to stay. Had always wanted to be an actor, and
he got super nervous when I told him, and he
was almost like, oh, like that's so cool, Like do
you think they're you know, would love to hear more
about that or whatever for me exactly. And I was like, dude,

(11:46):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Does this bar have a manager? Yeah? We already do.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
They already do.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So anyway, fast forward then like we uh, I went
down started taking the show, and I ended up quitting
that job and becoming a musician for a long time.
It's really awesome. So that's my My origin story is wild.
It's wild, like I got struck by lightning.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You're Marilyn Monroe getting discovered at the soda shop like
that story, Harrison Ford in the constructions shop at at Warnerboro,
Like that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
But it's even cooler because I think the neatest part
about your character. I was seeing this the other day
was this. I genuinely had a moment of going, what
a really clever idea the writers came up with with him.
His thing is that he can guess people's drinks, So
it's like you didn't just get discovered. They've kind of
discovered the entire character in what you were doing. Yeah,

(12:41):
you know what I mean, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
It so cool?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is it true? So I just heard this too, Like
I was one of my friends. Did you guys watch
the show Girls? You remember Girls?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Only a few episodes?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Okay, so Girls Elena Dunmaman show that was massive. Evidently
there was a character on that show that was a
singer songwriter in New York that got cast on One
Tree Hill and was on One Tree Hill playing himself.
And one of my friends came to his last week
and told me that, and I was like, I've never

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heard about that, and I would have heard about that.
And then my partner was like, that's a thing. Like
that's a thing. And not only that, it's cousin from
the Bear. The dude who plays cousin on The Bear
played me on Girls. And I just found this out. Anyway,
everyone at home, if you if you can get to
the bottom of this, I'm I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
We need to see this episode. I need rest of
my life. How do we find it?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, he was like a long character in the whole
thing is that he was like on one Tree Hill,
So he was like cool musician guy, and I'm like.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Oh my god, those be like me.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I was dramatized on a show I dramatized myself. Yeah,
but it's fun to this day. Anytime I'm at a
party and someone asks anything about drinks, I'm like, I
got you. And I was like, it's cool. I've played
a Barts and Run TV and I can I can
take it from there, so it's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
That's wild.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Man.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
What did you think watching this episode? Did you have
any big takeaways?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah? I mean I first off, like I am totally
in your camp bluckily, Like I I really never watched
the show, like because I came from like this weird
little group of Brooklyn hipsters that was like I didn't
even own a TV when the show came out, you
know what I mean, Like literally didn't own a TV.

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And it just like I knew that One Trial was
the thing, but like I didn't know anything about it,
and and like literally to the point of when I
went down there the first time, we all went out
for drinks and I knew James. I'd never met Stephen Kaletti,
and James was like, hey, we're going to meet you
the place me and Steven are coming down. I was like, okay, cool.

(15:03):
Didn't know who Stephen was, but just pretended that I
did because I was so scared of everything at the time.
So I was like, of course Stephen Klady's going to
be there, having no idea met him, hung out with
him all night long, and then halfway through the night,
had a little aside with him and I was like, so,
how do you know all these people? Like what brings
you to a woman? He was like, I'm actually like
a pretty big character on the show. And I was like, cool,

(15:23):
That's always been my little secret with him that I yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So I'm kind of a big deal.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah. And when the show aired, we would have like
viewing parties in Brooklyn with a bunch of my friends
and we would all just be drinking the whole time.
And then anytime I was on TV, everyone would yell
he's on, he's on, He's on, and everyone would like
come over and have a little moment, and then the
scene would end and everyone be like yay, and then
we'd like go back to party mode. So I never
really like took the show's in and I had this

(15:52):
I thought I knew what this show was, and in
watching this, what I've realized is that I had no
idea what this show was. Like I don't know if
it's like a hindsight twenty twenty thing, but I think
like all the assumption that I had about this show
were wrong. And I kind of want to go like
engage with all the fans and be like, I didn't
really know what you guys were watching, Like that's wild,

(16:12):
like that show and it's funny because I thought it
was gonna be like like when you like bust open,
Like you know, I think it's exactly like busting open
to Brittany Spears record. Like you're like, in your mind,
you're like like this is kind of like a guilty pleasure,
and then you open it and you're like, holy shit,
this is pretty good. Actually, like this is actually like
and it's fun. Like thinking about the show, it's like

(16:33):
there's so there are a lot of things that the
show got wrong right, but there's so many things they
got right. Like the way it was showcasing music was wild.
The way it was showcasing these things was awesome, Like
and you know, I I see in this story, like
the you know, there were so many times that they
were trying to say positive things like you know what
I mean, all the mills and storyline they're trying to say,

(16:53):
like hey, like don't kill yourself, Like that's stupid, you
know what I mean, It's a bad idea to go
kill yourself, you know. Like the way that they were like,
we're dramatizing this, but we're also trying to undramatize it
at the same time. I saw the effort they were
trying to do the right thing in that instance.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, there were a lot of times they really tried
to deal with real issues, and it wasn't always right.
You know. Sometimes I think they've used a lot of
things that were real issues just as a dramatic device
instead of actually dealing with them properly. But there were
a lot of times too when they really made an
effort and put time and care into the characters and

(17:31):
those storylines. And I think this was a good episode
for you to have watched in that case, knowing that
you haven't really seen it much before, spent time with it,
because it moved pretty fast and it felt like all
the characters were really moving forward. There was a lot happening,
and every scene felt like a coda for the whole movie.

(17:54):
I mean, the whole show felt like the end of
an episode.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah yeah, I found myself going this had to have
been on mid season finale, right, Yes. It was my
feeling like this episode tried to do the most in
my opinion, you know, rather than like, let's hit a
couple singles, a couple doubles, a couple of triples, maybe
a home run or two, it was every single at bat,

(18:18):
We're swinging for the fences, and I think it succeeded
in a couple of them, and it really swung and
missed on a few as well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, it did feel like it was like my takeaway
from this that my grand takeaway is like this episode
was everybody's hero shot. Like everybody had their hero moment
in this episode where it was like, oh my god.
Like even like the first shot of you by the
pool Buckley is just like this, it's just it's it
feels like the end of a Tom Cruise movie, you

(18:48):
know what I mean, Like the sun setting in the background,
you're like perfectly tan, and you're sitting there and you
just like take your phone and flip it into the pool.
You're like I have nothing for outside conversation. I'm fine alone. Like,
it was just this hero shot of you, and that
continued throughout the show. Everyone had their little like hero moment.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You know that's great. Yeah. I liked the opening too,
and I liked seeing let me, let's talk about Clay.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Like.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I really enjoyed watching Clay get to this point where
he's happy. I mean, you've been so tortured since we
met you. This was really cool.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah. I had fun with the Clay and Quinn stuff.
I enjoyed all of that because, like last episode, it
was odd because she was just making so much effort
that wasn't being reciprocated by Clay, and I found myself going, okay,
but this doesn't feel balanced. But I liked it because
they kind of got on the same page on this one.
One of the things I did remember was the dance tryout,

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which all of the gold Stars for Chantel because there
is no there is no vanity in comedy, and she
did not hold back, no one ounce. She went fall
on and it works. It's hilarious and iconic because she
committed like that. But I just I respect the hell

(20:06):
out of the choice to like, I'm going to make
myself look as silly as possible. Yes, that was also great.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Were you guys there when they've Oh of course you
were there, Buckley, But I don't like I was not.
So I went to set that day for numerous reasons,
which we'll get into, but I'm pretty sure I rode
with Chantale to set, like for some reason, I was
in their van or something. And I remember her being
just terrified of having to like put on that outfit

(20:38):
and go out there and do that stuff. Like this
show really has a way of taking women and making
them put on outfits they don't they're not comfortable, like
forcing that. I remember it happened in India in the
craziest way. Oh yeah, and so she I remember her
feeling very stressed about that, but then the way that
she did the dance everything, because it wasn't just like

(21:01):
a close set. There was a whole crowd of cheerleaders
standing there watching. The bleachers were full, like I remember
there being a ton of people there and and just
her being so stressed, and she was I mean, she
pulled it off. She was so funny and great. I
think we had extra drinks that night.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I believe it now. She did. She committed wholeheartedly and
that's why it worked. And the build up to that
of her when you were parked with the car on
the phone call and she's trying to feed the cow
behind you, and there was all the.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Incredible, incredible.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
I did have a moment again. There was some real
head scratchers in this one for me, and one of
them came early, pretty early on, when I don't know
if it's early on, but Clay, whose house is literally
on the beach, gets fully dressed for a day of work.
I'm talking dress, shoes, sport coat, slacks, and walks straight
from his house where he has swimming trunks and other

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outfit choices, and he walked straight into the ocean, leaving
his coat on the beach. I'm just thinking, why put
those clothes on, Bud. Your house is right, You didn't
have to commute here from the office.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Spontaneous thought, that's it. He wasn't planning on it.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, his own rules.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
But there's stuff. The clack Quinn stuff I thought was nice.
I like the way it ended, you know, that was
very sweet.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I was actually confused about that, and maybe I missed something.
But when she says no, and then has this big
kind of dramatic pause and then says, I'll come out
to you.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You're like, I'll come in, and she says, no, I'll
come out, as though she's been holding back and now
she's somehow coming towards you.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I didn't understand, yeah, because in a previous episode we
talked about what we were afraid of and she said
it's the ocean, and Clay goes why she says, because
of the immensity. That's why earlier in the car I
make a comment about I was thinking about the ocean
and the immensity.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And all that I missed it, thank you.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
The part that confused me about that was I don't
think Clay knew she was coming. So it's like, again, bro,
why are you fully dressed in the ocean? Again? What
is happening in your house is literally right there and
you are shoes, saws, the whole nine.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Don't think too hard about it, Robert, you know what
I mean. It's yeah, you guys look great. I remember also,
wasn't it like freezing cold that day? Yes? I remember
that being a discussion. That was like when you guys
were going into the water to tape you were like,
it's it's like the waters like thirty degrees or something
like that was.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Like bar Dick, it was chilly the day Paul drowned
me as well. It was cold there a lot. But yeah,
speaking of having to sort of not like do any
investigating or look too closely at it, I have issues
with uh okay. So Alex obviously tries to unlive herself

(23:58):
in the bathtub. She goes to the hospital when apparently
Milly finds out. I'm assuming she got a call somehow.
I was very curious as to why. Rather than go
to the hospital, she chooses to go to the hotel room,
which apparently the door is still wide open, and sit

(24:20):
in the blood and cry. And then as I'm sitting there,
going what the hell, mouth walks in, who is very
rational at this point, unlike Milly, and I'm thinking, good,
pick your girl up, get her out of the blood,
and you know, go have a talk. No, no, he
sits down in the bigger puddle of blood next to her.

(24:40):
In what world would you not be either going to
check on your friend cleaning up the blood, but instead
you're like, I'm gonna I'm gonna take these dnim pants
and pop them down in that blood.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
What I feel like, You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, get
out of the blood, Milly, Milly, come on instead, you're like, yeah,
we're doing this.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
This is the wrong place to be.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, I totally agree. I thought it was really strange
as well. Did she get a phone call? I missed
the phone call? She got one.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
The reason why, here's the only way that makes sense
to me, is because if she didn't get a phone call,
that means she showed up to Alex's room. The door
was open, no one was in there, there was blood everywhere,
and she decided to cry and sit in the act
of crime scene.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, which is worth us?

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Which is worse? So I just told myself, Okay, she
had to get a phone call. The other confusing thing
is so Julian's in the hospital with her, and I think, obviously,
and he saves her life whatever I'm thinking. Okay, he
checked his phone and got her voicemail at the end
of last episode. Okay, I guess that makes sense. He
kicked down her door. He asked the hotel phone room,
a room key. Whatever. No, they make a point of

(25:47):
saying I was coming by, he says, I was coming
by your apartment to tell you we got financing. And
then so I'm thinking to myself, Dude, if you just
casually popped by her hotel room and not and no
one answered, in.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
What world you went in?

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Would you a do you have a room key? If so, bro,
your boundaries are horrible And if you don't, why would
you think like, I should probably get the hotel to
let me in. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, it's full of holes. There's so many problems. This
was one of my biggest issues working on the show
that I felt like I was constantly trying to help
solve these problems. I thought I was helping, and I
was really just exhausting everyone because nobody wanted to think
about that hard but it is. It drives me crazy
because when you watch it, you're like, this doesn't make sense,

(26:38):
and it could like it's not that hard to make
a few adjustments to make something make sense. And then
you're not asking the audience to suspend reality further than
they've already decided to by sitting down and turning on
a television. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yes? I also felt like on the heels of last
week's episode when we were talking about directing, and you
asked me if I ever wanted to direct, and I said, yeah,
but it's intimidating. Not gonna lie. Halfway through this episode,
I found myself going, I think I could do this.
If this is it, I can do it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. Another questionable choice in this episode. You,
I mean, Michael, you sit down, Michael. What do you
prefer people to call you Grubs or Mike? Where do
you go by?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I go with all of it. I do Mike or
I do Michael. And honestly, either way, I'm gonna judge you.
If you call me Mike, I'll be like, okay, have
you call me Michael. I'll be like, all right, that's
a little you know what I mean. There's no right choice.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
No, but you sit down at the piano. You sit
down at the piano, and I'm like, oh god, this
is great. They're going to do the big reveal, and
all of a sudden, this great shot that's set up
for you to surprise us goes into an overhead crane
shot and there's like six different setups of you playing
the piano that is so distracting. It looks like it's
not actually you play, saying because they keep cutting away

(28:01):
from your face and your hands. I was I was
frustrated watching that. It really was like as an audience member,
it was one of those moments I thought, you can
trust me. I'm here with the story, Like you really
don't have to do all this stuff. Just leave the
camera there and I would like to enjoy this moment.
Please stop doing things.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
It felt like it was like almost like to for
the time. So two things. One, in their defense, the
opening to that song is not to a click, so
it is not actually it's like you know, typically I
guess for people at home, the arm familiarly. Typically when
you record music, there's a click track on so you
can recreate the performance over and over. So that was
just a live single take of me doing that. So

(28:43):
it's really hard to match that. So maybe they were
trying to match it with my fingers and I was
doing a poor job. In their defense. One two, I
think they go into this this is what a show
does when music is played mindset, where it's like we're
bouncing around, we've got moving things, we've got whatever he's
got to shake. I remember like playing it and being
like can you move more? And I was like not

(29:03):
in play the piano successfully, and it's like the cuts
of it, it's just like I'm shaking my head when
I'm like not doing anything and I'm like doing And
I remember, like when I hit the first note, they
were like, make it dramatic, you know what I mean.
And I'm like, okay, but like when you actually play
a piano, you don't just like smack it, you know
what I mean. But I like did the first like thing.

(29:24):
I hit it and I felt like I like, I
was like, did I just break my finger? My finger?
And I was like, uh, just keep going power through.
I was fine, but I hit it so hard I
almost hurt myself. Yeah, But I mean they're like, wait, you.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Could just if you could just like kiss your hand
before you slap the keys and blow on it like
it's on fire.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, exactly perfect.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
But joy, You're right. There were again, there was so
there were some shots where I felt the same way
where it was like, oh my gosh, just trust the audience.
There was a moment in Clay's kitchen where she goes
where Quinn says, hey, I talk to your old assistant.
I don't even know why. But then she goes you know.
The piece of news I got was so and So's
mom is sick. And it pans to like like a

(30:10):
cowboy shot, meaning like down to like a little like
between my knees and my waist of Clay and it
zooms into my face for an aha moment. Oh god,
And I couldn't. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It's commercial directing tied.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, like, oh, Clay just had a thought. It was
like did you did you need to what? It just
it took me out of the moment, like what are we?
What are we doing?

Speaker 6 (30:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I really really loved the stuff with Dan.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Oh my gosh, that was so good.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Such a winning storyline for me in this episode.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
He's a master of stillness.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I have that too. Paul is where is it? I did?
Paul is so good at stillness. I wrote it down.
He is. He was just so dropped in and centered
and didn't have to do anything, did everything with his eyes.
Oh so underrated. I love him.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
He always scared me so much.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
In real life or on the show.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
In real life and scared me so much. There were
certain actors on the show I was scared. I think
it was just because they were so good, Like, you
know what I mean they were so like I feel like, yeah,
he was definitely one of those Antoine also skills, like
I felt, I was like, he's so he just lives
this character so much. I remember having a scene with

(31:38):
him and being terrified to do.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
It because have you ever done any acting before?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I mean, so I got a degree in musical theater
in college. Yeah, and I was gonna I was on
like the Broadway route for a long time. I actually
like did touring musical theater for a minute. Yeah. I
was like, oh, that was my thing. So I was
going to be the singing actor. And I hated it though.
I was very It just was doing the same thing

(32:03):
every single night. But you guys know, acting on a
stage and acting on a set are such completely different
skill sets. And I yeah, I didn't know. I didn't
know what a mark was like the first time. Like
the mark is a little expert you have to stand on.
And they were like, you should stand on that. And
I was like, I'll work on it, and they were like, no,

(32:24):
you really should. You should stand right on that. I
was like, oh, okay, cool, And yeah, I mean there's
a there's a real technicality to screen acting that I
think i'd never ever gotten. Luckily, you guys were such
saints with me about explaining what everything was, and you
were all so patient with me and wonderful me. I remember,

(32:47):
it's so India, my you know, who played Miranda on
the show, my love interest, like her her now husband
would actually like fly in and they would give me
like acting lessons and we would do like scene work
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Did.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, we tried so hard to make me not a
bad actor for this show.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Great. That's what was so fascinating that. I mean now
knowing that you had musical theater training that is informative,
but you were so natural, you were so comfortable. It
seemed like you were completely unaware of the camera, unaware
of yourself, and you were just there in the moment
with the other people in the scene. That's actually it
seems to be very hard to do for a lot

(33:28):
of people. You were great.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
I wish i'd know they literally wrote you into the show.
I think trying to act would have really been a mistake.
The best thing you could do is to not act
and just be like, what would I do in this situation? Yeah,
I mean, because they just took you and put you
on the show. They didn't even take the time to
change your name, like this is Gavin. It was like, no,

(33:50):
he's grubs. He picked strings in your life, that's him.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
When I got to set the first time, I remember,
I went into the hair and makeup trailer and they
were like, you're not allowed to They were like we
were We've been told we're not allowed to touch you
when I first walked in, Like we're not allowed to
cut your hair, we're not allowed to do anything. We
have to wait or whatever until like the boss came
and like signed off on everything, and like it was
funny because the reason I had long hair on the

(34:16):
show is because I was so poor that I hadn't
I just was like haircuts. I can't really afford haircuts
at this point in life, so I had not gotten
my haircut in like eight months or something, so my
hair had just grown out and I had like long
hair on the show. And then I got there and
they were like, we love what you've done with your hair,
and I was like, actually, like the cruel, the cruel

(34:40):
you know, society and the world exactly. Yeah, it's so wild,
Like I mean talk about like feeling like I was
on me Like I remember like my power got cut
off at my apartment at one point before I like
went to shoot because I was just so poor and
like and you know, it's just that's but you know,

(35:01):
then I got that uh that uh one Tree Hill.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Did you think you were going to stay longer than
an episode? Like once? Once the episode was over, were
you like, Wow, that was cool, but there's no way
I'm going to keep doing this, Like yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Mean I I never knew exactly what was going on,
and I was always so terrified of everything and everyone
to ask you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I
remember one time I betany you'll you'll you'll love Like
I remember seeing that you got a cucumber sandwich one
time from Crafty and I was like, yeah, that looks dope.

(35:35):
That sandwich looks awesome, Like it's like cucumber is a
little like something. I don't know what it was, but
I was like and I went over to Crafty and
I was like, hey, can I'm one of those and
they're like, we we really only do that for her,
and I was like, OK. Things, and I like there
were like a few things that happened like that that
just kind of like smacked me into place, and I

(35:56):
was like, okay, cool, I'm definitely like basically a glorified extra.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
That makes me so mad. I wish you had just
been like, they won't make me your sandwich? Can I have?
When I've been like, yeah, here eat this, I'll go
get a different one.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I know that you would too, in the audacity that
it's not like a like a faux grass sound word,
like it's not like you know, like sliders, it's cucumbers.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's not hidden in the back of the fridge.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah it's wild. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there
were so many wa things like that, but just yeah,
I don't know. I can't remember what your initial question was,
but the answer is, yes, well.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
We were talking about pup Paul scared you. But then
oh yeah, but let's talk about Dan and Rachel because
I think that I feel like it's finally happened. I hope.
I don't eat my words, but I think Dan actually
might really be turning a corner this time.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
I I agree again, I don't know anything, I like,
I genuinely don't member I remember there. I remember two
things that happen in the rest of the series with him,
and neither of them, well one of them is admirable
and the other one I don't remember why it happens,
but I'm with you, so I don't know either. But
to give away all of his money and just walk

(37:16):
away from his show, that's that's walking the walk. That's
not just talking.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I mean, look it to play Devil's Advocate. It is
the only way that he could win with Rachel, win
over Rachel. So you know, if you want to look
at it that way, where he's kind of like, I'll
always make more money. I've got my mind. I can
think of new ways to make money and new schemes.
I'm not going to let her win. I'm going to

(37:41):
give everything away. He could be doing that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I mean, he also goes over to Jackson though at
the end, and it's like I've done bad things like
saying to your little child, you know what I mean,
like your little grandchaw being like I'm a bad dude,
you know, Like that's that's.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Pretty committed for Forgiveness is like the through line for
him though so far, and it seems like it's sincere.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
I think the biggest show of the sincerity is the
fact and of the guilt is the fact that he
chose to take a commuter bus rather than buy a
plane ticket, because that is going to be a long
drive as opposed to a short flight.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Do we even know where he's going?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
No, I don't know why. I kept feeling like he
was going to go like Guatemala, That's.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
What I thought too, But I thought he was going
to South America.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Why did I think that?

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I don't know. That's so strange. I hope we get
more of Rachel because the one thing that I loved
that story in this episode, but the one thing I
wanted more of was her to have some recourse or
some I just want to see more of her. She
was so dynamic this season.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I wonder if she sticks around like now, she's
stuck in Tree Hill. She doesn't have anything. She's going
to have to figure something else out now, So maybe
they kept her around. I don't remember. There Oh so
many things I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
I thought all of the stuff with uh Haley and
Nathan and Jamie was was lovely.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
The tomato was so much fun, so.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Fun him doing the Mada door stuff, the Coca del Toro.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
We had to have a story. I have a story
about this so so Jackson's mom was always on set
with him and the shot with him with the bar
of soap in his mouth. They had they had crafted
this glycerine flavored you know it was. It was a
bar of soap that could you actually could put in

(39:41):
your mouth. It probably tasted like strawberry or something. It
was totally edible. And they showed it to him and
he and they were like, this is the bar of soap.
It's edible. Don't worry about it. There's no soap in here,
no nothing. And and our boss asked Jackson's mom if
it was okay if we saw switched it out for
a real bar of soap to get a real reaction

(40:06):
out of him. Sure, And she thought, she was like, oh, sure,
that'll be funny. And poor Jackson is I don't know
how old he was at the time. I think it
was eight or nine, But that age is kind of
fragile with like it could go either way. You don't
know if they're just gonna like be like, oh if
somebody played a joke on me, or if they they

(40:27):
take it personally. Like my daughter at that age was
still having a like figuring out humor and so would
take things personally that weren't meant to be personal because
you're just your brain is starting to compute the world
and how people joke. Anyway, Sorry, long story boring. I
get this bar of soap and it's my responsibility to

(40:48):
shove it into the kid's mouth, and I'm like, here,
eat this, and we shove it in his mouth and
he does. You know, he has to sit there for
a moment with it in his mouth and they're getting
the straight shot of him. I'm holding it and then
when he takes it out and it ended up in
the show where he goes, let's see what I say
is nasty, it's yucky. He's like, eh, eh, that reaction

(41:10):
with the real bar so and we all start laughing
and he's like what what. We're like, we switched it out.
It's a real bar so, you know, and it was
supposed to be really fun, and he just did not
compute the idea of a practical joke and just burst
into tears, ran off the set, you know, went into
his mom's arms, and she felt horrible because you know,

(41:33):
she took the gamble. She was like, oh, let's see
I felt I felt so bad. I could not believe
I made that kid cry.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
How does it.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Feel joy knowing that sometime in the future that sweet
boy is going to be a man in therapy talking
about this very experience of you deceiving him.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It does not feel good, Robert, it doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I remember during the tomato fight. I remember that was
like really stressful for me because I'm not an athlete
I think is the word that they say, athletic person.
And they would be like, hey, we need you to
throw this and hit Jamie like right in the head
with this tomato, and it would and I would throw
the tomato and it would hit like two feet to
the right, and I would be like, you, guys, should
really get someone that's like an athlete to do this

(42:18):
because I'm not. This isn't remember when I played the
piano and Normone was like, wow, how do you do that?
That's how I feel when people throw that. And there
were some like there was like one particularly humiliating moment
where it was like the an it's like the last
shot we're getting. I don't know if you remember this.
We're all standing there and he has this, you know,

(42:38):
he's got his gear on. He's there it's like his
hero shot where he's going to take it right in
the chest and then die. And they're like, you just
need to throw this right in that little kid's chest.
And I'm like maybe four feet away, like I'm like
as close as I can get with being out of
cap out of shot, and I'm like, yeah, I got this,
and they're like action and I throw it and hit

(42:59):
him in the knee. Cap are like no, the reset
reset like action and I throw it. I hit him
in like the you know, shoulder or something, and they're like, nope,
we got to redo it.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And you're off camera.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
At this point, I'm off camera.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Why didn't they just have James do it exactly?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And they made We did it so many times and
I'm having a mental breakdown. I feel like Jackson with
the bar of soap in my mouth and I'm like,
I'm not an athlete. And then finally our boss was like,
I'll actually, I'll just throw it. It's fine, and I
was like, Okay, we could have done this from shot one.
There's no reason for me to be here. Then he
hit him and like the first time, but yeah, there
was always moments like that. There's a great line in

(43:36):
that scene when you walk in joy you say to
Grubs and James, or you know, to Grubs and Nathan,
you say, what kind of grown men stand around throwing
tomatoes at a seven year old? And there's a beat
and he goes, you want to throw one, don't you?
And you say, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
It's fun. That's really fun.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
After the after seeing everyone's sitting there covered in tomatoes
as well, and there's I don't know if you know
I'm behind it's actually the second time they do a
behind shot gag, Like there's the one where Buckley you're
talking on your phone and then behind you Chantelle's feeding
the cow. Like that was when this was the second
one like that where you guys are all sitting there

(44:18):
covered in tomatoes, kind of like living in the joy
of that fight. And I walk behind you guys, and
I'm drinking a bloody Mary and I picked a piece
of tomato off of my shirt, put it in the
bloody Mary, and then continue to drink it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
And what I did not notice that I must have
been looking.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Down a little easter egg for you guys.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Was that your idea was that where you directed to
do that, or was it like, let's just let me.
Let me I got an idea, let me jump in.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I'm I'm pretty sure I was directed to do that.
I can't imagine that. I I can't imagine I would
be so bold as to say I got a funny
joke that it'd be like cool. The other old I
should tell you, guys, the other outstanding moment of athleticism
that happened on this show so for me, was at
the scene where Chancel does the dance in the gymnasium.

(45:06):
I don't know if you remember this, Buckley. This was
a scarring moment for me in life in general. So
I went to set that day because my friends, the
Frasers were there and my manager, and they basically worked
them all into the shot. So if you see right
when Chantelle is getting ready to go to the dance,
this woman's stay inside her You young girl turns in,

(45:27):
She's like, you're up or whatever. That is friend of
a friend of the show, Shelby Fraser, who would come
hang out and her mom, Debbie Fraser, is one of
the judges and the other judge is my old manager,
west Arhuva. So when they showed the managers there, so
I went to hang out with them on set. There's
a time where there's a break. Mind you bleachers full

(45:49):
of people, all these people me on the show, full
of athletes. I'm basically like a lifelong music nerd, never
able to do any kind of sports stuff. Terrified on
the show because all of the actors on the show
are basically like the alpha versions of the guys that
used to pick on me, you know what I mean,
Like the guys that would shove me into a locker.
The actors on this show are the guys that would

(46:10):
shove them into a locker, you know what I mean.
These are like the biggest best dudes, you know what
I mean. And they're all being nice to me and
I don't know why. And so we are all ut
set and we're all hanging out and everyone's like, start
shooting basketballs. And it's like it's a basketball show, you
know what I mean. So everyone's shooting basketballs. Some basketball
bounces to me. I'm wearing no it's literally terrified, but

(46:34):
I'm like I can do this. I'm wearing this very
hipster coat that's like very tight fitting, and I go
to shoot the basketball and my coat won't allow my
arms to finish the motion. And so I go to
shoot the ball, arms freeze like halfway through. The ball
flies like two feet into the air and then falls down,

(46:55):
and everybody stopped what they were doing the entire like.
It was like they were like quiet on set, quiet
on set. Michael did something stupid quite on set and
everyone and I was like, it's my coat. It's my
coat's too tight. I can't shoot because of my coat.
It's pretty awesome. So anyway, that's my my athleticism story
from the show.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Thank you for Oh I wish I'd been there that
day in the gym that would have been It looks
like a fun day.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
It was. It was a fun day. Uh, you know,
watching Chantel be silly the line I have the the
the line out on that scene sucks to be next.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It was just an ad lib.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yes, I was wondering actually because that's just that just
seems like you.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Yeah, because I remember just watching her thinking like dude,
I I, I and Clay need to cheer her on
so hard, and so I was just going for it.
I think on the last take yet that's my scream
sucks to be next or whatever. Yeah, and then it
made it.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
In Yeah, and then Clay saves the day comes in again.
They're having this super formal signing in the living room

(48:12):
at Haley getting stressed up for I guess you know,
and and here comes Clay and Quinn. But I have
to tell you I got emotional. I really it was.
It was beautifully done. The revelation of all the things
that he had done, and the way that he had
put all the pieces together and saved the day and
kept them. And then he's they're going to stay in Charlotte.

(48:34):
Oh my gosh. It was so exciting.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I love that he pieced the puzzles together. This was
another one of those moments where I found myself going
or doing We're doing too much guys. Like, first of all,
it's a why would the agents be in your home
at night time to sign a deal? Again? Do these
guys work around the corner? Why are they always in
your house?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
At least they weren't standing this time, right.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
But what killed me was it's like again formal meeting
in your house for some reason that even your child
is in attendance for. Yeah, and then as like it's
a good deal, Nathan. You hear the slow clap from
off camera and Clay walks in, and I just found
myself going, this is already such a great moment. You

(49:23):
don't need to build in a cheesy device like this,
Like it just felt so stage to me. Like, first
of all, the front door's in the shot, So the
only thing that makes sense to me is maybe we
pulled up and I said, that's the agent's car, and
Quinn said, let's go in the side door. Don't know why,
but otherwise you would have seen us walk in.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
But also if you knew he was there to sign it,
you would have tried to get there and like stop it,
get in there and not yes, let him sign. So
the fact that you're slowly sauntering in, yes, that's so dumb.
They made you do that.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Also, you're fairly estranged at this point, right, you just
into his house unannounced, Like that's another boundary issue that
we have from the show.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Like there's so many Oh buddy, this is I was
saying last week, if if there had been a therapist
character on the show, it would have been such a
Lorraine Brocco. It would have been incredible, But it would
have been so much more effective if like y'all were
just sitting around having dinner and just Clay, and Clay
walked in, you know, absolutely, and so there wasn't any

(50:29):
performative aspect to it.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Why do the agents have to be there for that scene?
Because what he's getting one over on the agents? Like
ha ha, who cares about them? We don't even know them,
we don't follow their storyline, Like who gives The only
people I care about in this scene are you and
Quinn and Nathan and Haley, Like that's what's going on.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
And the to me, this was another choice where I
went like what are you doing? When they actually have
a moment, Whereas I'm like, I have the great deal.
I saved the day and the agent's other agents abviously
realize we've lost this one. As they're walking out, they
do a special shot of the agent over my shoulder

(51:08):
and I turn around and he turns around back to
me and nods at me, like good one kid. It
was like I just professed my love to this character.
I just saved my friend's career, and this is the
moment we want, we want to.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Spend time here. Yeah. I think our boss just really
had a pensiance for revenge, like he really enjoyed it
in all different forms, And so I think that was
It just seeped in in random places like that.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
He wrote and directed this episode, and this episode it
was funny. There's a there's a quote in it that
I had to stop the show and just say to
Jenny out loud. I was like, you're not gonna just
said no. This was Julian when he says, I'm mad
at you. You know what happens when you die, Alex,
You're dead, That's what happens. I said that. I go, Jenny,

(52:01):
this was This was an unroonic line in the show.
And she says it sounds like it was written by
someone who was really feeling themselves. And I went, that's
wildly appropriate.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Actually, honey, nothing as far as like strong lines go,
nothing beats the Millie. Ever. Whenever I see that mirror,
all I want to do is cut up a line
of coke on it that way.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
No, no, no, no, no, she said what I want
to do. I just want to cut a line and
snort it. Oh, she had to say those words out loud.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
And mind you grubbs, because just a little backstory, she's
been she's been a model for two weeks. This is
the most expedited tale of drug addiction that you've ever seen,
and so the fact this has been ever since it started,
this has been the thing I have just railed on
every single episode of this podcast because I just can't.

(52:54):
Lisa is so good and this story is so garbage
the way it's done. And this episode when she says
this presumably thirty year old person who's been doing coke
for two weeks can't look at a mirror at that
loan to snore a line off it, Yeah, and then
she sneaks out of rehab like she can't hack it. It

(53:14):
was just she's so good and I just watch it, going, oh,
you deserve so much better, Lisa Goldstein.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think, honestly, that's probably why nobody fought back the
scene where they walk you were talking about where they
walk in and they're sitting in the blood. I think
Lisa and Lee were both exhausted from the absurdity of
this storyline and having to just deal with it on
a regular basis. That that just seemed to me like

(53:43):
two actors that walked in the room and the director
told them what to do, and they were like, really
can't we you know what, never mind, just tell us
where to be. We'll just do it. Let's get it
over with.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I have a quick side step and then I have
a question. Really quickly. Side step is one to go
back to the house for one seconds. I don't want
to leave this, I was saying this. I was just
so happy that you got there alive, luckily, because I
was sure when a French cinema has taught me anything.
When a young couple that is falling in love drives
around in a car like that, so many scenes in

(54:15):
the car, that car is going off the road. There's
no way we're making it that house in one piece.
And when you made it there, I was like, that
is brave to go against cinematic trope at that level.
That and the other thing when you're at the house
when she I love the moment when he says this
is a good deal. It's going to be seven million dollars.
I see, Joy. You go there all right like that.

(54:36):
Then you come in here like how about fifteen million
dollars and Joy's like all right, Like so you make
this whole face like okay, we'll take the fifteen Like
it was just like yeah, such the little in your
face like I'm rich Like it was. It was awesome.
I loved your b.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
To be talking about it in front of the kid.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Too, Like, but so this, so this takes me back.
Now I'll return to our previous discussion. I'm sorry I
had to take us away for it, but that I
had to do. I had to say those things. When
did you got what was your biggest moment where you
got a script and there was a line in it
and you were like no way, Like did you get
Like was there a moment where you had like a

(55:17):
line that you were like, I don't know how I
pulled this.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I just always changed them.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah. I was scared to do that.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, I mean it pissed people off for sure, but
I was like, this is stupid. I'm not going to
say I probably skipped over some lines that maybe could
have worked well because I was a little cocky about it.
But yeah, a lot of times I just was like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
No, I don't remember any specific lines, but I had
some story stuff where I just kind of went, what, yeah,
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Really? I just remember like getting the scripts and just
thinking like they're they're just telling me what I'm going
to do. Like that's a there's a wild level of
trust with like you and your in the character and
they and luckily I feel like I was. This has
been kind of like discussed around with me and some
of other folks. I feel like when I was cast

(56:09):
on the show, I was the character version of the Boss,
like he basically wrote me to He was writing himself
into the show in his mind. He made me this
like lovable guy that everyone comes to for advice or whatever,
and it set me up and they were always really
nice to me. But I can't tell you how many
times I thought like they could easily have made me
someone who like can't even go to the store to

(56:31):
get groceries without someone being like, you're bad. You know,
Like if I think about like like Jeffrey from Jeffrey
from like Game of Thrones, and it's like, man, that's
gonna be tough walking around that all the time. Anyway, Sorry,
a bit of a bit of a side step.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, I mean there's there's so many different ways that
things could go, which is why when storylines like this
Millie and Alex thing kind of gets through and slips
through the cracks, you're just like hat or Robert, what
you're talking about, where you're reading storylines going, why are
we you know, the one that's coming up with the
look alike and all that. That's one of those ones
You're just like, what are what are we doing? Why

(57:07):
are we running out of ideas? There's so many of them.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
The fact that we actually did the soap opera thing
of hiring back the same actress Amanda Schule to play
a different random girl who just looks like my wife
and becomes fatally obsessed with me. The fact that that
isn't the craziest storyline that Clay has tells you something.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
It sure does mid Shure does.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
We were like the classier or more bougie version of
do you remember that show Passions?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Of course I remember Passion like Witches.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
And like it was queer.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
People loved it, they did.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
I thought that Janna and Austin did well, did very well.
They did as well as you could have with that material. Yeah,
but I just thought, and there was a couple like
when Dan's giving a great speech, the fact they added
in the gunshot sound when he's talking about Keith dying.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Paul committed to that so hard because he was like,
I want you to kneel down and like say goodbye
to your brother down in the ground. It's like me, man,
all right, okay, I'll make it work.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
I mean, and they made such a meal of it.
And then when uh or yeah, when Julian holds Alex's hand,
the fact that at that very moment, Brooke walks up
and that's what she sees, and it.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Was just, yeah, it's heavy handed, very it's too much.
I really this the sort of pat answer of Julie
Brooke helping Julian realize that he's trying to save his
mom by saving all these girls. I think it's a
very real issue that people struggle with. I think it's
actually one of the most common things in relationships that

(58:51):
we are constantly trying to work out childhood things on
the people that we're with. So we're trying to save
our mom or make a have a good relationship with
our dad or whatever, and then we pick people that
are going to make that difficult so that we can
resolve the issue. And then you know, Freud tells us, hey,
now you've fixed it. I mean, it's it's pretty textbook. However,
the answer that he gives her, I can't remember the

(59:14):
very last quote that he says there, but but her
not having a response, it was something about like if
I can Oh, he says something about if I can
help her, maybe I can help her before her light
goes out, before it's too late or something.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Before her fire goes out. And even if it doesn't,
at least I try.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Thank you, and Brooke doesn't respond, and I keep thinking,
why are you not saying I'm the one you're dating,
worry about my fire, put my fire out? I mean,
help me keep my fire going or whatever, like this
is not This is not healthy. So the fact that

(59:52):
she recognized it but then wasn't willing to call him
on it, I thought was really strange. But maybe that's
coming up. Maybe they're just setting it up for the
next episode.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
So for an episode where every scene was trying to
just do the most, it was odd that the last scene,
this random dude walks into close over bros. My first
thought was boring entrance. I thought, Holy, does she get
assaulted again?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
And then okay, because his vibe is weird Yeah, And
then it's not and he's just like, I'm the new
designer that said Victoria hired and she's like oh, And
it cuts to black, so I'm thinking it's fizzile there
wasn't even a vibeer were trying to introduce a new
potential suitor, because if so, that was the That was
the worst first encounter. Like for an episode where every

(01:00:37):
single scene was a ten, they randomly chose a thirty
second scene that was a four.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's just so dumb. It was so dumb. Why would
they not get into a fender bender when he's pulling
up outside and start screaming at each other and then
she's like, who the hell are you? Anyway while I'm
your new designer? Okay, interesting, I don't know if she's
closing up the store and he's stumbling in and I
mean it's an dark and he's like, I'm trying to
find the light. Victoria told me to come in. Who

(01:01:03):
the hell are you? I'm your new design like something.
He just walks in the door. Anything.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Have him being charming, have him maybe I think Brooke
is anything like it's not a time, but he brought coffee, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Walk in eating a bowl of spaghetti and I would
be interested.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Anything would have been good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
He just looks at the camera and he's like, I'm handsome.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
That was the Seriously, my note is just jawline in
an accent. Yeah, no disrespect to those actors. Handsome, but
I just thought it was sort of like they thought
he was just so good looking that they were like,
we don't need to put anything on this handsome hot dog.
It's a perfect plain. It's like, no, give him some
dialogue something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Bitch is his name? It's super sweet guy, super sweet Mitch. Yeah,
Aussie stud.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
This show really has done, at least since I've started watching,
has done a really good job of sticking the landing
with introlling new characters, except so far, on this one,
it felt like an actual afterthought. It felt like this
should be the first scene of the next episode, but
they were like forty seconds short, and they took like
the forty seconds off the top of that scene and

(01:02:15):
just put to the end of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
We're so good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I wonder if they did. Wait, Mike, are you still
in touch with him? With Mitch? You guys still friends?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
No, I think we became Facebook friends on that time,
and then his name comes up because we're Facebook friends.
We haven't really had interaction or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
So, but you stayed in touch with a lot of
people on the show. I mean you, you and Kate
Vogel are in a band now, Your Future Ghost, which
I want to hear all about. Can you tell us
about that? And also I want to hear about everyone's
doing great your show that you're scoring with James Lafferty
or James's show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Thank you for asking about these things. They are so
important to me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
That's all the time we have folks. Thanks for joining us.
I'm talking about it. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So, Kate and I started writing together during the pandemic
and we were writing over Zoom a lot, and suddenly
it was like, hey, this is really cool. And Kate
and I were always buds, but we never had like
deep deep budded down like you know, like band style,
and suddenly we found we're riding together and we're like,
this is really good stuff. And it suddenly it was like, hey,

(01:03:17):
let's release the song together. And then it began like, hey,
why don't we do a couple of songs? And then
we're like, this doesn't really feel like my music, doesn't
feel like your music. This feels like our music. And
then it grew and grew and grew, and now we
are a band called Your Future Ghost, and it's the
coolest music anyone who's ever made in the world and yeah,
we actually just had it crazy. We filmed a music

(01:03:38):
video in the desert, and I mean, hindsight kind of
scary at the time. Like Kate literally ended up in
the emergency room. She got she got what they called
water intoxication. She drank too much water, right, she drank
too much water and ended up in the hospital with
an IV and I couldn't talk. It was wild. She's

(01:03:59):
fine now and we just from the rest of that. Yeah, there,
it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Typically only happens in people doing like ultra marathons and marathons,
they overhydrate and that's Kate. She rocks so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
She rocks so hard.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
That's so hard, she rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
She uh yeah, but she's good. And we just don't
finished filming that. And so we have another We have
another single coming out soon. So if fans at home,
you can go to our Instagram your Future Ghosts and
you can find out more about that. There's going to
be a link there to get news about our upcoming single,
like a pre save please do it. So James and Steven,
James Laferna and Stephen Clettie made this wonnerful show called

(01:04:35):
Everyone's Doing Great I did the score for the first
season and then came one for the second season to
do the score again, and it just keeps getting better
and betterssed so so much fun. It's the best thing
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
It's such a good score. By the way, Mike, I mean,
it really gives the show so much character. I feel like,
in the same way that the town was the character
in One Tree Hill, it was its own character. Your
music has created that environment for everyone's doing great. It's
it's it's just grounding, sophisticated, interesting, complex, but it makes
the goofy comedy really work. And the sarcasm. I mean,

(01:05:09):
it's great, it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Thank you so much. I mean, it's my dream to,
like my if I got to pick a career, I
would score Stilman TV and movies and stuff. It's my
favorite thing I do. And yeah, and these guys have
been awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
I also want to say before we hop off the
episode that Miss Lauren and Skills were so sweet and
I wish we had a lot more of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Yeah, that whole thing where she was where she says,
you didn't even ask me, and he's like, oh my gosh,
I'm so sorry. You have come and she says no,
but it's nice to be asked. Oh yeah, it's so sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I love her.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
I miss She's so good. She's so good and the
two of them together are great. Always want more of them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Ashley wants to know the question is for whenever you
get grubs on the podcast, A Ashley, it's your lucky day. Okay, me,
Sof and Rob are sitting down at your bar, what
is our drink of choice?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Oh? Man, First off, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
double the security at the bar because I got three
super bids sitting down at my bar. Whoa crowd control?
Crowd control is gonna be of essence for you three guys.
I feel like, for for So, For Soph, I'm thinking
something like, I feel like she's always very on trend

(01:06:49):
and very aware of like what's going on. She's very
like like amazing, uh at, She's always just like the
coolest And I feel like, right now, I see a
lot of espressal Mark teenies, Yeah, she's with the times.
I see a lot of Espresso Martinez around. I think
i'd make her something espresso based that would be like
an up cocktail. It would be sophisticated. It would style, Yeah,

(01:07:11):
a little vodka a little bit like like and but
it chilled up drink that she could have that would
then I think, Joy, I think for you, we're looking
at and I don't know because I've seen you backstage
have different drinks, So this is this is just a
single drink moment. I don't know if this is like
for your forever cocktail, but I would love to make

(01:07:32):
you something very sophisticated with gin and a coup that
would be like almost gone in like four SIPs kind
of thing. Maybe top it with a little shampers, you
know what I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
A little Bee's knees or like an aviation or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Oh totally exactly. That's what I'm talking. A little French
seventy five energy, you know what I mean, like something
that's like, uh, that sizzles, but also that goes with
your outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Wow, you nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah, and Buckley, I'm thinking for you, I wanted to
be a little more on the healthy side, you know
what I mean. I'm seeing I'm seeing something that's going
to be like like soda based, you know, like there's
gonna be a lot of like really good bubbles in there.
We're gonna get some some herb, some herbal kind of
things going on in there, and then uh, maybe something

(01:08:19):
really just really fresh. I wanted to just feel fresh
and healthy. I want in a tall glass that's got
lots of ice in it, and I wanted just to
feel like, like, you know, like this is this is Buckley,
Like it's a sexy it's a sexy tallboy drink.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Dude. That's actually because I'm a soda water guy. So
if you throw some soda water, you muddle up a
little herb or food in their power. Do you actually
have a gift grubs?

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
This is cool. You got to use this. I feel
like this is like Joey on Friends when he finds
his hand twin and he goes to Vegas and he's like,
we got to do something with this. I don't know
what you're gonna do with this, but this is a
real skill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I mean that's just say I'm good at parties, guys,
I'm good at parties.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
If you're not doing this when you do shows, you
are wasting. What you should do is offer an experience
where people can pay to meet you after the show,
and you guess their drink wow, and then maybe you
have a bar there to make it for him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, and they also make it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Yeah. I'll just write down what they should order at
the next bar that they go to. Like it, like
be like, this is what need to drink, this is
what you need to have.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Great. So we do a thing every episode where we
pick an honorable mention from each episode. My honorable mention
is it's Chantel dancing. Oh, yes, that's just that was
team player to the core right there. Yes, she had
to do a lot of that on this show actually,
but this was the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I'll give it to Chantell Trying to feed the cow
behind you. That just was my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
It was so hysterical, which, by the way, that was
scripted that she goes to feed the cow and the
cow chases her, and the cow was not chasing her
at all. So what you see is she's just she's
just making it work as best she can. The cow
stays perfectly still, and she still runs away even though
the cow has done nothing. That's her just really committing
to the bit. So good grubs. How about you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I love the you flipping the phone into the pool
at the top Bucks. Oh, I love that I think
also though, I really I always appreciate anytime that India
is on screen. India played Miranda, my love interest on
the show India the Before, and she is such a
rock star. And the moment where she comes in and

(01:10:31):
suddenly I can't actually guess her drink.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Oh yeah, oh that's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah, and then it's like I can guess everyone's drink
but hers, because it's like, what's going on with these two?

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
And you show up with all the bottles in your arms, Yeah,
tell me what do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
And she just takes one, pours herself a shadow with you,
and then like hands it back, right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
You see, that is a that's a perfect example of
how you introduce chemistry. Yes, like that was so effective.
I thought the same thing. I'm like, oh, she's his
kryptonite and he's flustered for the first time ever. There's
something here Like that was a great use of showing
there's something to start, whereas like the scene at the
end with Brook and the guy, there's literally nothing except going.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Okay, yeah, all right, Like he's not a bad guy, right,
he's to do anything bad? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Yeah, truly?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Okay, Yeah, I love it. Well, it's been a wheel, folks. Yeah,
I hope we find out that Dan did go to
Guatemala or too gosh, Chile or something really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
GRIBs, go ahead and read it most likely to skydive
out of a hot air balloon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
That feels like it would be very stupid, because don't
you have to be up much higher to skydive and
get the velocity that you need for safe landing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
I think it's around thirteen thousand feet?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Is it the same? Do they go up the same height?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That's a guy fact, Rob, The fact you dropped thirteen
thousand feet just like that, that's a guy fact. That's
like knowing what the population of Australia is just out
of your Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
Listen, I've done it once. And when they open up
a giant door on the plane and they say we're
thirteen thousand feet, we're gonna fall out. Now you remember
that moment?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yes, you do? Oh my god?

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
I would I mean Alex because she's just an absolute
wild card. I think if Julian said I'd like you
to go skydiving, she would say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Absolutely yes, out of time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
I don't even need a parachute, Julian, you tell me
to do it, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I'll jump. I would go. I would go skydiving out
of a hot air balloon only for one reason, if
the hot air balloon was going down and I needed
a way out.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
And you were just that prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Well, do you know? I actually was dating somebody at
one point who was like, tried to wakem up really
early and was like, I got a surprise. I'm going
to take you in a hot air balloon. And I
was like, oh my gosh, there's a there's a parachute
in it, right? He was like, no, no, I'm like, oh,
I'm not going in a hundred ballion with had a parachute.
There's just there's no way. I'm a single mother. I
can't die.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
I love the idea. The picture of you still on
the pillow, Oh my god, that's so sweet. Is there
a parachute? No, okay, I'm not going and you just
roll back over. He's like, oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I'll cancel that. Then they're outside, but no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Can you get your hope you can get your money back, right, honey?
All right? Yeah? I could see mouth jumping out and
it would be to save like a kitten or something,
because he's such a sweet guy. He'd be like, I'm
I see something in danger down there. I'm gonna go
see He's such a good guy, that's what I see.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
But seriously, Grubbs, thank you for joining us today because,
A it's so good just to see your face, buddy,
it's been so long, and it's really just so lovely
to catch up with you. You look great. I'm glad you're
doing great. This was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Thank you right back at you guys. You guys are
such I mean, like literally total rockstars, and it's so
great to get to chat with you guys for an hour.
It makes me feel just so full of joy and
so grateful to be here and be part of this
amazing thing you guys have felt so Thank you so
much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, we can't wait to keep tabs on what you're
doing too. I'm gonna go, everybody, go check out your
future ghost and go watch. Everyone is doing great and
you're gonna be able to keep up with Michael Grubbs.
Next episode, Season seven, episode thirteen. Weeks go by like days.
I wonder what will happen next. Bye, everybody, Bye, Hey,
thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's Oth.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
See you next time we all about that high school drama.
Girl Drama Girl, all about them.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
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