The Ultimate Mix-Tape • EP106

At Tree Hill High School, mix-tapes were the ultimate sign of affection, and life imitates art... The girls share their favorite real life mix-tape stories and talk about those feelings of young love! 

Find out why filming this all-night-shoots episode was particularly close to Hilarie, Joy & Sophia's hearts, and how the episode's uplifting theme of "finding common ground" inspires each of them.

Plus, a web cam in a teenage girl's bedroom, casual gun pulls, and a glossed-over pill problem?? We need to discuss. And, um, is Brooke Davis responsible for not just TIK TOK, but UBER too!?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them
high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens up girl fashion.
But you'll tough girls. You can sit with us. Girl
Drama Queens, Drama, Queen's DRAWNMA Queen's Drama Drawn, MC Queen's

(00:21):
Drama Queens. Let's do it? Should we get into episode six?
Every night is another story. The air date of this
episode was October two thousand three. Who I loved it?
What happens? Tell us what happens in it? Yeah? Give me,

(00:43):
give us the rundown? Okay, So what happens in this episode?
And this is a big one. It's the first away
game for the Ravens. They go to play Pickerington and White.
He throws Lucas and Nathan off the bus after the
game because they started punching it out on the court
and got thrown out of the game and tackled me
and harmed me. They would I was injured. Bad um.

(01:08):
So it leaves them stranded thirty miles from home. They
encounter a carload of the rival team guys who threatened
them with a gun. So weird by the way, kes
gun pole in high school? You okay? Um? And then
due to my injury and uh well, I should say
Brooks to clarify, due to brooks injury and the pain

(01:29):
pills that she took to the face, she needed a
little help getting in the car from both Payton and Haley.
Casual trauma like like gun violence and addiction. I'm like,
what is going on? Um? Meanwhile, Karen and Keith go

(01:51):
to the small business dinner and Dan and deb are
there and they get seated at the same table. It's
a lot of trauma. Of course they did. Of course
they did because somebody at the Small Business Association assumed
they liked each other. Oh my god, they didn't get them.
I would like to see that. I wish there had

(02:13):
been somebody who just really disliked someone at that table
and like purposely just sitting in the corner watching them,
like eating his soup, just like happy at the head
of the Chamber of Commerce or something. It was in
the corner with his pinky on his mouth. This was
legit one of my favorite episodes to shoot. And maybe

(02:35):
it's because like we were separated by ourselves the whole time.
This was the first time that was just the girls,
just girls the whole time. Um, and so there was
no like, you know, longing looks and forlorn. It was
just this is all kind of real too. I mean
for me, I definitely felt that that I was still

(02:57):
kind of feeling out you guys, and we were all
feeling out each other, and like, so everything that was
on camera was a lot of what we were actually
I mean for me anyway, it was a lot of
what I was actually feeling of, Like, are we going
to get along? Is this okay? Is this I don't
know how to have fun together? Yeah? I love that
in this episode they're like you hicks at Pickering Tin

(03:19):
and meanwhile like we've all moved off to Hickville. Um wait, Sophia, Okay,
Sophia had a thought. Oh so I was gonna say.
I think one of the things that I loved about
even the opening of the episode, Well, first of all,
how funny it is that it opens smack dab in
the middle right, Peyton and Haley in the front seat

(03:39):
of the car and you almost crash and Brooke wakes
up and is so confused, and it cuts back and
forth makes you think yes totally, and I get to
kind of be the voice for the audience at the
end of the teaser, are going what the hell is
going on here for the whole episode, which is great
because when you're like, oh, you guys think this is
gonna work. Oh oh, that made me so sad. That

(04:03):
brought my heart. But it was sweet to do the
you know, twelve hours earlier rewind the thing that kind
of struck me as we were watching it together, as
we all had the same version of feedback being like, oh,
look at us being like real little kids, like they
there's fun and silliness and charm between all the friends,

(04:26):
and I don't know, I just felt so nice us like,
you know, play fighting with pom poms in your room,
and it was it was just so it was a
fun little scene because it was the first time that
we had real, like extended scene work together that didn't
involve like the whole cast and crew. It was really
like little intimate scenes. So us just getting to play

(04:48):
in the bedroom was really cute because that is how
I interacted with my girlfriends in high school. We were
on the chileading squad and like going to each other's
house before games, and being in our uniforms and like
getting in our cutlasts and go into the you know,
seven eleven to get slurpiece before the game. You know,
like it felt real in a way that some of

(05:10):
the other stuff is like really heightened and crazy. And
then when Joy and I got to do the stuff
while we went to go get gas, that was the
first time I feel like we really got into our
like mutual love of Broadway, you know, and like really
like dug in and so all of that tender excitement
that's coming through on camera in my recollection felt so

(05:33):
so real. Yeah, yeah, me too. Um, watching the boys
play nice and like play dirty and then play nice
was really rewarded. We joked while we watched it that
they were like Bow and Luke Duke, just like you know.
I love that this episode was a standalone episode, like

(05:57):
if you had never seen the show, you kind of
could drop into it, and it was good introduction of
who everybody is in a way, but it also moved
and it was it was out of sort of an
out of time. It could have happened any day, um,
but it moved so much to the story forward. When
did we do our first appearance, because I feel like
this episode was a reintroduction of everything because I'm going

(06:23):
to google that somebody I don't know, and you know
what I think too. I think that's such a good
observation on both your parts, because remember we got pulled
up to air in September. We weren't supposed to air
until January. And I remember the big thing every week
being wow, the word of mouth, because the audience was
like doubling and tripling every week for our show. So

(06:46):
I think that by this point, six episodes in, they
were like, all right, we gotta figure out a way
to pepper in information about characters in case new viewers
are showing up now. So it does feel it like that, like, hey,
you know, thanks to everyone who's been here, and then
for all you new folks coming in, this is who
these people are, This is what their relationships are. Yeah,

(07:09):
for sure, I think you're totally right. We also had
kind of flushed ourselves out over the first five episodes.
It was like we didn't know about Peyton's bomb. We
didn't know about like Brooke being like the rich popular girls,
you know, we didn't know Haley's background, you know, so
now that we have all the exposition, now we just
get to play. Now it's just like, okay, let's get silly.

(07:30):
You know, we're little kids now, which we totally did.
Joy get into the the plot points here. Oh I well,
I just want to say, there's so much to cover,
So I mean, if we're going to go in order,
let's first talk about the mix c D that you
give mix tape on the bus guys, that's own brand.

(07:51):
I have had many a romance over a mixtape, including
my husband. To my husband when we first started kissing,
was like sending me Bonnie their songs and I was like,
this will work. Okay, yeah, Like that's my love language.
What's the what's the best mix tape you remember getting?

(08:11):
Do you have? Like? Oh, I mean I definitely traded
mix tapes in high school. That was that was really
a thing. And remember sitting by the stereo with your
hand over the record and play button at the same time,
listening to radio waiting for your song for days, for hours.
You just sit there waiting to hear your song. It's
a lost art. When we were able to make mixed

(08:34):
CDs though, that was a game changer because you didn't
have to record it off the radio anymore. Do you
remember that boy I was friends with than Town that
was in a band. He used to make good song
great CDs. Yea, the best CDs, like a lot of
Jeff Buckley. Honey, if you're listening and you want to
get a girl to like you, you put some Jeff

(08:55):
Buckley on a mixtape and she will like you. Yes, ever,
that's my favorite. Oh my god, right, I mean, I'm
just gonna take off my clothes right now. That and
that whatever. That Robin Thick song is that we always

(09:16):
used to say, oh my god, this one. We were
thick days in the day. It was. It was that
album he did, Oh baby girl you that makes you
my equivalent? Yea, the song though, no, but it was
that album. There was a there was a slope, there
was what was it? There was like a yes lost

(09:41):
without you? Yeah, that was so good. It was a
good time kids those early two thousands. But mixtapes really
were such a way to convey feelings. I mean, my god,
I remember I remember in my mid twenties just like
I was like, oh I am in love when I

(10:03):
got like the best mixed c D and it's like,
you really know me, you know me. That's what it
did feel like that you know me. When I lived
in New York, I was seeing this guy. We well,
we were kind of dancing around seeing each other. We
liked each other, but he was at Juilliard and he
was um, he was super into like Jeff Buckley and

(10:25):
Bob Dylan and like all you know, these like super
emo artists and and I was just like we just
like loved each other, but we did never say it,
and those are the best. Was the best. And I
have all these memories of like nights in the Juilliard hallway,
like saying good night and me like he kissed me tonight.
I don't know what could it be. He would hand

(10:47):
me a mixtape like first he was a CD at
that by that I made you this, and I go
home and listen and just cry and like you know,
daydream and was the best being young and such a
good feeling. It's okay, joy. I had a boy that
I loved in New York City and and he gave
me mix tapes and I, oh my god, like I'm

(11:07):
like listening to these and I'm like, I think he's
telling me that he loves me. Like this is crazy.
And then I found out it was just his yearly
mix and he made the same set, so he gave
it to all his friends as like these are the
favorite times this year. I was hard. Fine, No, it
was because I really thought, like speachless, he's telling me

(11:28):
that he loves me. Not true. These were just like
the good songs that came out this year. You know,
you know how loaded mix tapes are mixed business man, Yeah,
it's not for the faint of heart. I actually remember
remember having like does he like me or does he
not like me? Like moment with some friends in high school,

(11:52):
and I finally was like, he doesn't like me. He's
never made me a mix tape. It's not like that.
We're just fans. Like it was that big of a
deal that if if, if it never happened, somebody wasn't.
It wasn't like that. That wasn't the vibe. It was platonic.
But nex tapes, I don't know. I think they are.
I think the younger, like the younger teenagers and between

(12:16):
fourteen and twenty two, because my brother's twenty and I
think in that age into they're really into retro stuff,
so they do things like that. Now to me, I'm like,
who's time to make a mixtape? I mean, oh my god,
I don't know we're parents when you do. Today, I
made a mix tape Compare your bells right the closest

(12:42):
the closes I've come to. Making a mixtape in years
is like making a playlist on Spotify. Oh yeah, I
guess that's what they're doing. I mean, but like, I
can't imagine what was burned on a CD. Well, on
a CD, that's a sleep are Um, what was on

(13:04):
the mixtape that Peyton gave to Lucas though? That was that.
I feel like they probably put some songs out there,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like there
was Tegan and Sarah in the episode, and just so
you guys at home note, I was a massive Teagan
and Sarah fan and so I and we were just like,
put him on the show, put him on the show,

(13:25):
put him on the show. And then when Trick came along,
I thought for sure we were going to get them, right.
I just didn't happen. It didn't happen. Um, guys, I'm
still looking up this Robin Thick situation because it's gonna
kill me. It was. It was Cherry Blue Skies was

(13:46):
the name of the album. What was the name of that?
Stupid what are you trying to figure out? That Robin
song that was so sexy Lost without You? Oh? I see,
I had a different one. There was Sugar Mama was
really good. Um yeah, Cherry Blue Skies was a really
good one too. Anyway, I got signed. Why do you
guys don't know? Is okay? So this episode was directed

(14:07):
by Jason Moore, who is a huge Broadway director actually,
which is I think one of the big things that
during this episode, especially during that scene Hillary, when you
and I were going for a walk, are very slow,
slowest emergence for two girls story and we've left are
like drugged up, injured friend in a car on a

(14:28):
lonesome highway. Girls, don't ever do that. That's girl code
number one. Don't leave your girlfriend. You piggyback her to
town man. Yep. But Jason directed it, and we all
got to talking about Broadway for and so that's how
sort of Hillary and I think really bonded in that

(14:48):
in that regard, and Jason had directed Avenue Queue at
that point, and we gotta I gotta figure out what
else he's directed since then he's doing like a ton
a ton of cris. I just remember feeling like, will
you take guess with you? Like I wanted to exist
him so bad, and I just so it was like,
this situation is a little bit uncomfortable sometimes because we'd

(15:08):
already been dealing with some like you know, foreshadowing of
what we were going to deal with behind the scenes
for the next six years. And he was such a safe, lovely,
like communicative director. Oh yeah, I wanted him back so bad.
He was so good hate us with you? Yeah he
was perfect, of course, Oh yeah, perfect, which is perfect? Please? Hi, Hi,

(15:35):
remember me? Hello? Hello? Did you have fun with us?
I can do that too, guys. He never came back
to us, I know, I know he was like, I'm
not taking that double flight to Wilmington's Brooke was so fun?
Yeah yeah, I mean, oh man, I just love I

(15:56):
love the moments where and I can see it differently now,
like the moments where I felt free to play and
be a kid in our moments in your room and
it's all just silly and so adorable, and then you
know there's like the forest, like now I'm supposed to
flirt with the grown up man for the medicine, Like,
it's so weird, and I hate those scenes. So I

(16:18):
have I have this very personal like half the time
I'm anxious and half the time I'm just loving it.
And the stuff with all of us is so it is,
it's just charming and it's funny. Do you know anybody
back then the head of webcam, because I for sure
didn't like it was like the first i'd heard of it.
You know, I didn't talk about another casual throw in

(16:41):
if something that's kind of a big deal for a
high school girl have a webcam in her bedroom at
her bed, you know what I mean. I never knew
if it was something that like her dad had set
up so that he could make sure she was alive,
because her dad's just like gone, Why they should have

(17:02):
addressed that. Why didn't we get to see that? Baby?
I think it plays out all through the first season.
I mean, it plays out all the way through the
psychoderic stuff. Um, but I just never ever met a
kid that did something like that. And now you've got
little kids with YouTube channels and it's so common and
it's super weird. It's remade weird. Yeah, does your daughter

(17:26):
that she's not allowed on YouTube, and she like, if
I'm not there with her, because I just don't you know,
the ads pop up and people are creepy and they
put stuff in kid videos that I just don't know.
So um, but she has seen the like clips of
things where the kids are unwrapping the toys. I'm gonna

(17:48):
I'll text it to you. Girls. Maria did a video
of like an unboxing video where she has like all
these little but it's not anything real from like an
actual it's just toys from inside of her room, like
a little Faberge egg that I passed off and I
was like, this is a fake Faberge egg. I was like,
I don't want this. It looks like a you know,
many like fairy palace to hers. So it's got that
with some plastic little thing. It's really cute. But I

(18:11):
was going, and she's talking through the whole thing. Now,
if you want to see what's inside this, you're going
to have to wait because we're going to open the
other ones first. Like what that. Kids love it. Gustus
doesn't everything. Oh no, god no, god no, but Gus
Gus watches all like the Minecraft, like the gamers. That's

(18:31):
a little boys are into and so he's on Twitch.
No God, no, he doesn't realize every video that he
shoots on his iPad goes to Jeff's phone, And so
at night we lay in bed and we watch him
be like, alright, guys, today we're talking about dan Tedium
and mine, and so they're practicing these host skills which

(18:55):
will benefit them in the future, you know, just like
public speaking and being able to communicate with people. But
back in two thousand three when we did this, the
idea of a child being on the internet, like just
offering up her bedroom for strangers was insane. Yeah. I
still think it's insane. I will doing those sexy TikTok

(19:17):
dances all the kids. God, that stresses me out. I
guess it's interesting to think about it in those terms
because when Brooke runs in and you know, it was
such a TikTok girl doing that dance on Oh my God.
Also Brooke invented uber but it's fine. Um that comes

(19:40):
later this season. I'm like, give me my money. I
came up with this idea. Um, But I think something's
really interesting because there is this like very sweet, innocent,
youthful moment And what I love too is there's been
so much angst and so much drama, and when I
come into your room and it's just like, oh, it's playful.

(20:02):
There's an understanding of what was going on, and and
I love how they unpack it as friends with humor.
But now seeing it, you know, running over and doing
the cheer, I don't know what this is. Running over
and doing the cheer and then like flashing ass at
the webcam and going, well, that's what they're for it.

(20:24):
I'm like, wait, were we trying to poke fun at it?
Or what were we doing? What were the right what
was the writer's motivation in that moment? There was a
lot of brooke ass in this episode, and we need
to talk about how the uniforms changed in this episode.
We had screen it was like, wait, but what happened

(20:44):
to the other half of the uniforms? You guys? When
when Hillary and I walked out at the away game,
all three of us were like, what, well, what what
are those like? Our uniforms were shrunk by half. The
tops are like, bros. Already the rest of the Tasco guys,
I'm gonna blame the o C again. They were like,
how do we sexy this show? Up about basketball. I

(21:08):
know we're gonna caught up those fucking uniforms. They're just
so not cute. I don't know, I have a real
long torso, and so these suits specifically were tough on
me because you could see everyone else's belly buttons but
not mine, because I guess I have a low button. Guys,
and I was always so self conscious stupid things. Yeah,

(21:33):
give us a full shirt. Yeah, and remember the hair
fight I had about how cheerleaders don't wear their hair
down because if you stunt, you could get injured. Lost
the fight by this By this episode, I lost the fight. Yeah,
we weren't getting anywhere with sexy cheer. Which was my
favorite moment of the basketball game was Brooke with the

(21:53):
putting all the pieces together. It's iconic. I love that
part of this scene so much because I really it
was a fun moment, you know they I remember speaking
to Jason and him saying, you're going to do a
lot of comic relief, Like we were letting tension out
in this episode, and I felt that because the last

(22:15):
one was so heavy, and I don't know, I think
I really felt permission to do more than what was
on the page more than like be the bad girl,
and it was so fun and and that moment of
standing there, you know, well, I think that Nathan like
tutor on, tutor on like and I know, and it

(22:37):
was just so a love rectangle plus one whatever that is. God,
it's good. But you got it in. You also like
nailed it. Because Joy and I have talks, We're like,
I feel like that seemed took a really long time
to shoot other scenes. I remember that being just like Wizardry.
You know, you nailed it because you knew how to

(22:58):
hit all those beats so that the audience got up
to speed on what's what you had to provide crazy
exposition there, and you did it in such a funny
way that it's become a line that people come up
to us at conventions and say, you know, I love it.
How long did that stunt take that the guy's falling

(23:20):
on you? I don't remember, but god, I I got
elbowed a couple of times. And if you pay attention,
not that I really want everyone inspecting my ass because
it was a battle I lost, and I wound up
with you know, my ass up in the camera in
the back seat later in the episode. But I have
huge bruises, like down my whole white like ass cheek

(23:42):
and sigh because those big ass boys fell on me
and then they were fighting and I can't remember getting
elbowed like in the gluteous and you can see these
huge bruises on my butt. Later in the episode, it
was when everyone was trying to prove that we were
really method actors and it's like, yeah, I don't know, cool,

(24:03):
we're just gonna fight for real. It was great, Yeah,
just go ahead. It really make it look real. And
I'm underneath the two of them being like ow wow,
please stop. You don't have to prove anything. It's fine. No.
You know what else makes me laugh because I realized
looking at it that it's a d R because when
you come and like save me and give me the
hug hill, I remember and I can see it going

(24:24):
pain and they made me a d R. Pain over pain.
What it was. Oh yeah, it's funny. You can see it.
It's totally it's totally looped and it's so pains, very sad.
It's a sad line like for real. Though there was

(24:45):
so much casual stuff in this episode. The pill thing.
Let's talk about the pill thing. Man. When we were
watching it bad. It was before anybody was talking about
an opioid epidemic, and it's weird. I mean, I remember
doctors just being like, do you want a prescription? You know,
like it was something it was handed off freaking candy
back then. So the idea that these kids were just
kind of being playful about it now is such a

(25:09):
horror show. You know, it gross. Yeah, it doesn't age well.
And the idea that a kid might be like, oh,
this might be a cool way for me to get
a little you know up tonight. Yeah, let's party. Let's party,
and I'm like or that. Oh god, it just feels
it feels cringe to me. I never I mean, I know,

(25:29):
I know a lot of people have tried that. I've
it always scared me. The idea of going into a
medicine cabinet, just like taking pills. I don't know what
they are, what they're for, what it would do to me. Yeah. Well,
and the guy who played the trainer is a buddy
from the improv scene in Wilmington's. So when we oh,
that's cool, when we just send it on the improv world.

(25:51):
Um cullen, who plays Junk, was a part of like
this improv comedy scene and he would invite us to
Level five to come see improv cony night. And Sam
was an actor that was like a big part of
the theater scene. Sam Robinson, and he feel like such
a creeper, like he was so excited to be on
the show, but he's doing it as like this kind

(26:12):
of predatory you know, creepy college guy passing out pills
to little girls. Your legacy is better than that, Sam, Sam,
poor guy. They always threw so many good guys in
the in the rough positions. Well that's it. If you're
a local actor and they're like you're cast kid, and

(26:35):
then you've got to play a pervert or like somebody
doing like college date rape or passing out drugs to kids.
It's like, man, yeah, I thought it was a good
moment for Brooke. I thought I liked. I know, it's
like anytime we do something that's not setting a great example,
it's always cringe E. But I liked for Brooke seeing

(26:58):
I like seeing all the layers and you know, it
was the one time we just get to see a
little bit of her real trouble in spite of all
the fun and all the up up, nous heightened, Um God,
I mean, did I not go to school? Where's my vocabulary? No? Girl, up?
This is a word I was not on display in

(27:20):
that scene. She was feeling it? Well, yeah it was.
I liked seeing her flaw because it just it gave
you more to look forward to with her for later
that It wasn't just she's not just a fun, bubbly girl.
She's got some real going on, and it made me
want to see more of her. Well, I love that.
I think I had to find a little bit of

(27:41):
that line for her. They're thinking, Okay, well, what is
she trying to escape? You know? What is she trying
to be distracted from? And and figuring out? I think
for each of us, you know those moments where we
could add something for these girls, you know, something that
wasn't on the page. Find whether it was humor or

(28:01):
seriousness or vulnerability. I mean, even the two of you
in that very slow walk you like. I love it
because looking back, I see you guys, you know, I
see Peyton and Haley, sure, but I see the two
of you and the way you giggle and the way

(28:21):
that you each find things funny and and making fun
of Chad in that scene felt so scandalous, like like
god yeah, like because everyone had teased Chad in real
life about his like blue steel, you know about like
the brew and the script they wrote it in enjoy

(28:43):
and I got to like poke fun at it. I
felt like we were getting away with murder. It was
just like, oh my god, oh it's so cute we
had we enjoyed that. But I feel like watching the scene,
I was like, oh, I want to know what was
on the page and what you guys like Ad lived

(29:03):
and threw in And because I knew watching it, obviously
not being there because I was pretending to be passed
out in the car, but watching it, I was like, oh,
they waited, they sparkled it up, and I want to
I want to see a side by side. It was
fun because we had a theater director. So there's so
much scene work in this episode. It's not about sexy,

(29:23):
broody shots. It's not about you know, big huge, you
know um lots of extras chaotic scenes. It's about two
people talking most of the time, whether it's Dan and
and Keith, you know, like it's always about people talking.
The brothers, the girls, and having a theater director for

(29:43):
that was just so awesome. Yeah, and I feel like
you can see it in certain moments to even choices
that were made, like the stuff going on with the boys,
when they get into that fight, that feels it's choreography.
It's does feel like stage work. And and when it turns,

(30:04):
what a moment when you're like, oh my god, I
can't believe Nathan hit him and they're fighting and it's
and then when he throws him on the car the
second time, you're like, what is he doing and he
goes for the keys, and the moment, oh man, where
you realize you know that that was Nathan's way of
putting them on the same team and they had that

(30:26):
sweet talk. Yeah. I really was interested in that because
my first thought was, why did Nate? Why do you
think Nathan gave Lucas that piece of information about his
childhood with Dan? And that's a real story too, Like
those dads are so prevalent. I grew up with three
brothers playing Little league baseball, and then I cheered for

(30:48):
football from fourth grade to my senior year in high school.
And like, those dads are real, the dad that will
hurt you and humiliate you in front of an entire
up of people in front of all of your peers.
That's a really real thing. And the way James delivered
it was really effective because that humiliation lingers. You know,

(31:11):
that's not something that you get to take back later
as a parent. Mm hmm. Yeah, why did he get
Why did he give that information to Lucas though out
of all the posturing that they've been doing with each
other and sort of constant playing chicken and why why
now it would have been so easy for him to

(31:31):
just keep going. Why did he give him that info?
Do you think after the Father's Son game? Because that
was terrible, Like it showed Nathan had a heart. Yeah,
it did. And you said something about a common enemy earlier,
Hillary Enjoy. Your question is kind of making me connect
some dots. They had this horrible experience at the Father's

(31:53):
Son game that made them understand that they shared this
awful thing, and then they go to this game game
and they start beating the ship out of each other,
and the minute that they get out and they're stranded
and this other team comes along, it's almost like it
gives them a reason to realize that they do have
a common enemy. They're not each other's enemy. But they're

(32:16):
coming at each other over the same issue over and
over and over again. And the minute they're giving someone
else to focus their attention their anger, they're hurt, they're
let down on they're playing for the same team. It's
it was it's really good structure. And while all that's
happening out on the road, you see Dan and Keith

(32:40):
fighting and deb going, Oh, our son got kicked out
of a game for fighting with his brother, how original
you know calling out It's like, you're the same Why
do you think he's like this? And and so you're
seeing these kind of you know this this like dynastic
long life moment. And then are the kids going to

(33:02):
do the same thing or do it differently and do
it better? I loved this, this message of you can
walk in somebody else's shoes. You can see things from
the perspective of somebody that you would never talk to,
um that you never hang out with in our case,
so even somebody that you really hate and have a
long history with, there is you know, hopefully we don't

(33:25):
all want to bond over you know, I hate a
common enemy, but you to. But it's like a worst
case scenario, right exactly but you know it's possible. It's
just that I love anything that's talking about the triumph
of a human spirit in that way, which I just
think we really hit on in this that there's always
a way to connect with someone that's the other well

(33:47):
or guards the same. Like I read a political quote.
It was it was, you know, eight years ago. It
was a long time ago, and it made so much
sense to me personally because they were talking about politician
and one of their aids and how they were the
same species of animal, right, and when they exist in

(34:08):
the wild, they cohabitate beautifully, they hunt the same, they
process the same, they interact the same. But the second
you put them in a cage together, they try to
kill each other because animals like the same animals aren't
supposed to be locked in together. And it was a
it reminded me of how we all were behind the scenes,

(34:31):
because we are all so similar. We all had to
be really ambitious as young women. We had to you know,
forge our own way. None of us had family that
could like get us jobs and stuff like we had.
Don't scrapple And is it scrapple? Is that like a
breakfast or is that happy with scrapple. Yeah, yeah, I

(34:51):
don't know that that's the right word. Guys, Joy and
I are up nous and scrapple today, just so we're
gonna teach shirts. Scrapple on a T shirt and that's
our tattoo. Yeah. But I feel like when you lock
any wild animal up in an um unnatural habitat, it's

(35:18):
going to freak out. And that's what the boys are
doing in this episode is perhaps what we did behind
the scenes some of the time because we were locked up,
and the second we all were allowed to just like
take a breath, it was like, I love that you're
the same animal as me. Let's hunt together, like this
feels nice. Let's form a tribe and it's Um, it's

(35:41):
cool to see a play out in the storyline of
the show, you know, knowing like everything that happened for
the next six years. Yeah, um, okay, let's move on
to deb and Dan Um. How classy is she? She
is so classy? I mean yeah, yeah, yeah. They all
fought in the room and it was like dramatic, and

(36:02):
you know, that was sort of the big thing. But
but what really hit me was that moment in the
hotel lobby with the two of them sitting there, and
she could have said all of those lines real bitchy
and real like throwing a fit and going at him. Yeah, yeah,
raised her voice, didn't she class that? I love what

(36:24):
you said. We were talking about it while we were
watching it, and you go, oh, she just seems so moneyed. Yeah. Yeah,
it makes you seem really rich. You guys, like rich
people don't yell, don't be common, you know, like I'm
too rich to you. It's like, darling, I am never
going to make a scene. You know, there's other people
in this lobby. I would never let them know that

(36:45):
I'm mad at you. But mad at you it's it's
so classy. And I have to imagine like if that
was an audition scene of women would have like thrown
a shoe dawn, you know, or even like poured to
drink gone him. And she just it takes so much
more strength to be still, and it felt so powerful.

(37:08):
After her conversation with Keith, you know, you going to
talk to him, getting him a drink, and him getting
to ask her because he gets to be us in
that moment the audience and say why are you with
this guy? And they get so vulnerable, and and Deb
and Keith being buddies is so delicious, you guys. The

(37:32):
whole time I watched it, all I could think about
was the two of them in front of that fireplace
years down the road, like spoiler, and the chemistry, chemistry,
the chemistry Barb can create chemistry with like a shoe box,
you know what I mean. And so so to watch
the two of them like smoldered together and her cute

(37:53):
dress and like they both are just so um. They've
both been hurt by Dan in that scene and their
collaborators in that scene, and it's great foreshadowing to what's
going to happen. You know, it makes me excited for
them to hook up years later. Yes, And and her
in that moment trying to give him the courage to

(38:17):
go for it with Karen. You know, you realize Keith's
been belittled by Dan forever, and for Deb to look
at him and say you should go for it, she
might see you as more than a friend. Like I
almost feel like she's giving him a confidence boost that
he's really lacking. And it's just so it's so generous.
And then with with Dan provoking him and just being

(38:42):
so cruel to him and Keith trying to hit him
and it's going so awry, which is like such a wound,
and then he still is just like I don't care.
He wasn't humiliated. He wasn't, but like, God, what that
gave when she came back to Dan and that casual

(39:04):
I'm going to go upstairs and pack when she said
she got them a room for the night so they
could have like a couple's evening away and just that
like I'm not sleeping with your ass tonight, you know it,
And you know she paid for that room. You know
that was on Deb's credit card exactly. I love that.

(39:25):
I also didn't think about the fact that, like, if
Dan's got this little brother syndrome thing, Nathan's the little
brother too. It's like, yeah, you know how like your
trauma or your parents trauma is like I was a
middle child, and so then they also like favored the
other middle child that they eventually have because it's like

(39:47):
I can connect with you. I feel like Dan connects
with that younger son energy that Nathan has, you know,
and and so resents Lucas the same way he resents Keith.
It's like, why are you not mothered? By anything. Why
don't you want more? You know it's um, it's competitive,
but it's also you know, Dan hates Lucas the way

(40:08):
he hates Keith. He's just got a chip on his
shoulder about older brothers. Can we talk about Brooks cute
little car, that's the first real that car was so
popular when the car was solar at the time, Henri
had the vase in it. We're so basic that someone

(40:32):
put a test tube in a car and called it
a vase. And we were all like, we have to
what was your first car in Wilmington's What did you
guys get? Because a lot of us got our first
car there. I brought true. I went to college in
l A. So I brought my car out. But man,

(40:55):
I do remember when we got the Bug. When they
first talked to me about Brooke getting a convertible Bug.
In my head it was like Herbie the Love Bug.
I thought it was going to be a little vintage,
cute like classic bug, and then they pulled up in
the brand new one. I was heartbroken. And then I
was like, well, I mean, yeah, if she's sixteen, maybe

(41:16):
she's not into classic cars. I was just like I
or I was so sad because I grew up going
to car shows with my dad, like classic cars are
our thing, and I thought, like, I'm going to get
to drive around in a cute little Herbie No. And
there was a very specific stigma around that car at
the time. It was like if you were like a

(41:39):
rich daddy's girl, that was your car, and it was
like a teen girl car. I feel like the reality
shows happening at the time, like the Simple Life for something,
you know, like where you know girls in juicy suits
were driving those. It's an exciting I saw Katie Homes
driving that car one Really, she doesn't strike me. He doesn't, girl.

(42:02):
I mean, who knows. Maybe she was just test driving it.
Maybe it's just borrowing it. Maybe she's I mean, I
don't know anything. I don't know her turn the corner
and I was like, huh, I wouldn't. Did you get
a car right away? I remember Joy talking to me
about her dream car. She's like, one day I am
going to get a cherry red vintage pickup truck. And

(42:22):
by god, if she didn't do it, folks, Dad dumb it.
I did it. You did it. I don't remember what
you drove. I feel like I don't remember. I mean,
I know my first car in l A was a
Mazda Miata, a little convertible Mazda Miata, which didn't hand
it was it wasn't it was not an automatic manual,

(42:43):
and it was did not do well on those hills
like the hill the sun up to last Sianaga. What
is the LASA have to sunset? That's a little hill. Yeah,
there was a couple of times I was like, I
hope this thing doesn't get about it because I'm a
roll all the way back down. Um remember what did
I have a convertible in Wilmington's. I really don't remember

(43:03):
what my car was there, do you guys remember? I
don't know. I went when I had my parents back
home in Wilmington's or back home in Virginia, I was like, Mom, Dad,
I need a car, and they found for like it
was like the cheapest car ever. It was a nineteen
eighties six gold Mercedes loved it and it still had

(43:24):
like like the ashtrays in the arm rest, you know,
you can just like change to smoke in there. And
it was horrible, like the windows wouldn't roll down, the
A C didn't work, But it was a boat, a
good car, but like parking that downtown on a Saturday
night was an issue. That's why, Like you guys at
the I like, it's cool, cool, cool, I'm gonna park

(43:45):
in your parking lot and then we'll walk. Um. Yeah,
I loved it, you know, being a being like real
little kids and not knowing to get like a fancy car,
you know, just be like I guess it can give
you word is so different from the experience that we
see a lot of these like young actors with now

(44:05):
where they're like, oh, here's my Bentley freaking whatever, and
I'm just like what, you know what happens when you
run into something. Yeah, it's a very common thing when
you're when you're that young to think I have money,
so now that means I must spend it on expensive things.
That's not what money means. No, guys, we're spending that
on fire belly tacos and Hogarden beer. What are you

(44:29):
talking about. I'm gonna save it, don't spend it. I
definitely towed the line there though, because I grew up
like such a car junkie. Can I remember you got
your fancy car? Oh man? I remember I bought myself
I had this cool old Toyota Forerunner phone Runner. What

(44:52):
am I saying? Runner scrample the name of our board game.
We deserve it, we deserve it, we deserve um, We're
slap happy. But I had this truck all through high

(45:14):
school and I did a commercial and I remember in
college my dad and I like, oh man, we were
so dorky, my sweet dad. We we were like really
jazzed on that funny little BMW that came out as
like the Bond car. I don't even remember what was
called the little two seater convertible. And they were so expensive,

(45:36):
like so expensive, so that wasn't going to happen. And
I did a commercial and I traded in my car
and I got like a little three series two door
BMW that had not a bell or a whistle on it.
But I was like, I'm doing it. And I remember
I went home to pick up my dad and he

(45:59):
was just like this is oh cool kid, And he
gave me this whole lecture about how he was really
proud of me for making my own money. But anytime
I wanted to buy something, I needed to calculate what
it was actually costing me because of taxes and then
I needed to save at least before I made it
like it was a whole and I was like, you're
ruining my moment. I got my car. Just stop talking,

(46:21):
I am, I am, yeah, I have Yeah, I have vehicles.
I would have loved it. What a cute twist. Oh
man Davis had gone to work, that would Scott damn it.
I would have loved that. Hey, guys, yeah, let's just
do it. Let's just okay, Well, let's talk about Keith.

(46:47):
He is so freaking cute in this episode, so cute
that I'm conflicted about this last scene as a who
has I'm as a woman who has taken care of
too many drunk men been there, um hear you. You
know there's a part of me that was just like
I really cringed. I was really just like, you know,

(47:08):
the romanticizing of like, oh, it's okay that he's just
but but you know that being said, it's also not
a habit like we've seen Keith just constantly being It
was like one night he had a little much like whatever.
So maybe that's just me overacting, but I did feel
it fully when he said I love you, and I

(47:31):
loved like just the honesty and that they really finally
had a moment where they could just be really real
with each other. Yeah. I felt really good when they
each said, like, I feel like this was a date
for a minute. Yeah, yeah, where and and he admitted
it in the sweetest little way. You know, deb told
me that that maybe we were on a date and

(47:53):
I should pretend, and you know, and her God, and
her saying I pretended to How did they not kissed?
It's like, I'm thinking about what their high school experience was,
So what is Keith? Is he supposed to be like
two years older than Dan or like, like, was he
a senior when Karen was a sophomore? Like why didn't

(48:15):
she go for him? He still maybe he was out
of high school Army he was in college by then.
Yeah yeah, man, man, that would make the most That
would make me the most comfortable with their storyline. If
just like they didn't really know each other for the
first you know, four or five years or something, and
then he comes home from college and he's like my
little brothers and asshole, I got to help out. And
then you know, yeah, he started their whole thing. But

(48:38):
I love them. I've always I always shipped Karen and
Keith always did, always did. I felt like that was
a miss, not really going for that. Well, we got cheated,
We got cheated. We needed at least two more years. Yeah,
and um, let's talk about the baby size gun for

(49:01):
a second, because oh, guys, like I talk about stuff
that doesn't hold up, like even just in in the
span of our own show, to have this like laughable
little starter pistol, you know, in episode six, and then
you know, two years later we're doing the Jimmy Edwards episode. Like,

(49:26):
if you're ever somewhere where someone pulls out a gun,
it is not funny and you should scoot immediately. I've
been at those parties. They're not cool. Like, tell your
friends who do that that they're dumb. Um. Yeah, it's
it's such a weird, random thing that I don't know
that we needed in the episode. But I think they're

(49:46):
trying to paint those dudes as hillbilly's. Yeah, and also
like that the threat was real, the threat that something
bad might happen to Nathan and Lucas. But I don't
know a knife would have worked just as well. Yeah, better,
I think Butterfly nice. You know, it's very like jets.
You know West Side Story. When you're a jet, you're
a jet all. I mean we had a theater director.

(50:09):
They could have had a dance off on the street.
That yeah, unnecessary gun play, that doesn't hold up. Um.
Talking about Nathan giving Haley the nod was a fun
bit that came after that. What doesn't mean when a

(50:30):
boy gives a girl the nod? I don't know. It
always feels a little cocky to me. I mean it
certainly felt charged because in the episode, I mean, come on,
when he looks over at you and goes like, hey,
everyone's like everybody feels didn't do it anybody else? Nope, right,

(50:52):
it feels good. I mean it feels good to be
on the receiving end of that nod. Yeah, I mean
I just give you a nude and your grinned. So
I'm such a you know, you're like when you go
for a joy? Is it just like cool? Cool guys,
we're out for the night. This one nodded, It's go,

(51:15):
we're dead. I get it. Jeff was a nodder When
I met him, he was really like, oh so cocky. Yeah. Um,
and the nod. I mean even still all these years later,
like if we're at a function and we're across the room,
you get that nod and you're like, you goddamn right,

(51:35):
let's do this, you know what I mean? I don't
know across a crowded room, that little quiet communication from
your human when you get the like I see you,
you're just like, yeah, you keep looking. Do we ever
go out of that? Are we going to be years old? Like?

(51:57):
We don't. We got on the photo of one of
my ex boyfriends at a party outside my old house
and it was like kind of all through the driveway
and there, and everybody in this photo is looking and
I took the photo. Everybody in the photos looking at
each other and talking, and he's like deep in the crowd,
and if you scan the crowd you can see he's
looking straight at me, talking and I was just I

(52:21):
love that photo. Anywhere I'm still like, oh my gosh,
do do we want to talk about how humid it
was in Wilmington's and us all being in our our
winter gear outside in that scene with the hair and
the stickiness, and like, is that even interesting or should
we just move on? No? I mean, we can definitely
talk about it, because I think it's very prevalent in

(52:43):
this episode. When you shoot nights on a show like this,
they love wet downs and what that means for the
person at home is they drive a huge tanker truck
onto set full of water and they spray down the
roads because at night it reflects the light and it
looks romantic, beautiful. Guess what. I don't give a about

(53:08):
wet roads. You know what I do care about my
hair at four o'clock in the morning, like a wet
possum out there, It's just and we and it was hot,
and we had in these winter coats because we were
airing in the fall. And I remember sitting out there
on that summer night when the heat my hair was expanding,

(53:29):
like my swamp just kept going out and out, and
you know, your mic pack is sticking to your skin
and this heavy coat and I'm like eating peanut butter
and apples or whatever the craft service would bring me,
and just thinking is this forever? Is this going to
be forever? But that's always the funny thing is people go, ah,

(53:52):
how fun, and then they come visit and they're like, wait,
this is gross. You're like yeah, And I'm wearing a
cashmere sweater and a leather jack it because this is
going to air in October. Mmmm so hot. Dianna has

(54:13):
a listener question. She says, one of my favorite and
most quotable episodes of season one, episode six, Every Night
is another story Girl. Same. She says, do you remember
a specific monologue that really stuck with you from this episode? Nathan, Yeah,
I agree. I mean that the rectangle plus one is

(54:34):
the comedic end of the spectrum. It is all the exposition,
it's all the catching up that the audience that was
finally coming to watch us needed delivered perfectly. And then
the sensitive one. Yeah, Nathan, that's sweet little Bunny getting

(54:55):
kicked in the air. Yeah, he's being willing to reveal something,
you know. There there were these moments of kindness given
in the episode, you know, theoretically in the middle of
the night, when all these people had been on these
strange adventures together and literally in the middle of the night,

(55:16):
literally in the middle of the night because we were
shooting probably four am. And and it makes it all
the more like you get that pang in your heart
when the next day at school everyone's just kind of
looking at each other but separate again they fall back
into their old ways. So yeah, oh tugs on the heartstrings.

(55:37):
It sure does, guys, heartes. School was hard, so hard.
But you want to do the most likely to the
magical wheel? Is it most likely to play Gladiator? I
said this when you watched it. For this episode most

(55:59):
likely to get lost than the wilderness, you could have
done it better. I said that that fight out in
the wilderness felt most like my high school experience because
I remember, like our basketball game. I actually got a
text from one of my classmates mothers on Facebook or
Facebook friends, and she goes, um, I remember like the
cops getting called to our basketball game because they thought

(56:21):
that the park few kids were going to rumble with
like the kids from like deeper in the county. And
I was like, I'm so glad you reminded me of that.
That is my high school experience. Like this, fights in
the woods, get lost in the wilderness? Which character and
then which real life person? What are we thinking is
this one? Brooke? I'm I'm pretty sure this one's probably.

(56:45):
I mean, she kind of was lost in the wilderness, guys,
hearing birds. But you know the thing about Brooke is
though she seemed to like like they were just angels
shining on her all the time. It seemed like things
just worked out. So you know, I feel like somehow
she would have she would have found her way out
of the woods, for sure. I agree with Yeah, I
like that. It's like snow white. You know, you just

(57:07):
kind of like into this place and let these men
that are going to take care of me and test
perfect build me a house. And then there's me who
was an actual camp counselor who led other people's children
out of the woods. So you still do that stuff.
You're always like in Montana in a river up to

(57:30):
your like fishing like it's true. Yeah, that's true. Deal,
you don't get lost. Who gets out of our club?
I mean who if we had to go back places
for I'm trying to think, well, well, what would that.

(57:51):
There are some stories that are just not appropriate for
public consumption. So you guys, it's Lee, It's Lee. It's
a huntresently Norris. We've had to get Lee out of
some hairy situation. Yeah, oh my gosh, I was gonna
tell a story and then was like, Nope, you can't
do that, but yeah, it's late. You guys should know
that leon Nora's is the most fun Saturday night you'll

(58:11):
ever have in your whole life. And truly sometimes you
have to double back to make sure. Yeah yeah, our
Instagram followers have a verdict on how many times we
crashed the comment, which, by the way, all Peyton almost
crashed it in this episode, so it could have been
that the comment that was the bug alight? New question?

(58:33):
How many how many total cars did we crash on
this show because we all driving each other's car? So
many question? But the comet was only crashed twice. Thank
you for your wo Nathan in season one and again
with Peyton in season six. Guys, you all are the best.

(58:56):
We do so many takes that it feels like we crashed.
I mean we we crashed it like dozens of times
each time you guys saw it once, so yeah boom. Well,
thank you guys for tuning in. I know this was
a long one, but we we all loved this episode
so much. We're not going to talk your your ear
off this much. Uh on a regular basis, We've got

(59:21):
all We've got so much upness and scrappling going on
around here. We have lots and lots Wait, you guys,
I say I saved something the other day that feels
really relevant to show you. So this does relate to
the last episode, but it still feels fresh in my heart.

(59:41):
We were talking obviously about Haley's hat in the last episode,
and we got a tweet from a lovely gal named
Noel who said, my theory are the Hailey hat situation
is they were trying to sneak in some Joey Potter
Dawson's creep vibes. Look at this side by side of y'all.
So I saved this and then so there's how do

(01:00:05):
I do this? On There's Katie, There's Katie and a
hat and then your hat to the same costumor on
both shows. Yes, she was, I'm almost totally before. Yeah,
Lee was season one in season two. Yeah, well they

(01:00:27):
died Haylor, Katie's had a different color, and or they
just all bought everything at the same shop downtown. That
feels right. Yeah, well we had a couple of places
to go. But I kind of loved it. So really,
the whole reason I wanted to talk about that and
you know, show it to people on the video portion
is to say thank you to our listeners for your

(01:00:48):
excellent internet slew thing, because you are finding things that
really help us out. Are so cool. Thank you. Alright, guys,
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