Through the Looking Glass ᐧ EP702

Sophia, Robert and Joy put Clay under the microscope, discuss the evolution of Dan, and debate how long you should wait for someone who’s just not there for you.
 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
All about that high school drama, Girl Drama girl, all
about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride,
and our comic girl sharing for the right teams Drama,
Queens up Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could
sit with us.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey Friends, Episode seven oh two, Season seven, Episode two,
What are You Willing to Lose? Air date September twenty first,
two thousand and nine. You have me and Sophia and Rob.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Hello darlings, Hello friends, Hey friends, you have a redheaded Sophia.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
I am hello, Thank you. It's been so fun. I
wanted to do it in advance of this movie I'm
about to start and make sure I liked it, you know,
I didn't want to do it like the week before
and be stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
And it's really fun. Yeah, it suits you, It's great.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
That's what I'm realizing is weird. I'm like, oh, was
I always supposed to do this?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Because so many.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
People have been like wow, And then I've been running
into people that it takes fifteen minutes to be like,
why do you look different. Your skin looks nice, and
I'm like, maybe because my hair is bright red. I
don't know, but people aren't even noticing, and I'm realizing
it just looks I don't exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
The right red is hard to get right. Yeah, you
got to get the right shade.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
It's like five minutes too long in the chair and
you go from runway to comic con.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred books.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Who wants to read the synopsis?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
I'll read it because I would really like to ask,
or I guess not ask. I would just like to
throw my thoughts in the ring that it was a
real travesty to not name this episode. Hopped up on Goofballs.
Austin saying that out loud in the beginning of the
episode literally made me split water everywhere.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
So that's just my first thought.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
But since the episode is sadly named what are You
Willing to Lose, I'll tell you what it's about. While
in the process of recording her new album, Haley battles
to protect Red Bedroom Records with the help of Mia,
Brook casts the new face of her clothing line, and
Clay defends Nathan against a growing scandal. Julian and Brooke
decide to move in together while Dan unveils his new bride.

(02:27):
Unles Butler directed this who was always so lovely?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
And what an episode is this?

Speaker 6 (02:36):
The less who is also one of our editors.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, correct, I remember, look at you? You do
remember stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
I remember a few things. I didn't remember much of
this episode. And before we even get into it, I
want to say, last week we talked about you're saying,
did I understand why the show worked? Did it make sense?
And I said, oh, yeah, I completely get it was
as popular as it was and why it's still endures.
And I realized watching this episode. One thing that this

(03:07):
show does incredibly well is it produces so many memorable
quotable moments. Oh yeah, this is this show is perfect
fodder for water cooler talk or you know, or like
it's like conversational click. But there are so many scenes
where there's just a line or a moment where I

(03:28):
was like, oh, I can't wait for us to get
into this. Oh I can't wait to quote that line.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
In addition to a great storytelling, there's just so many
hits throughout the way that are fun to share.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
And you know, yeah, great signers did hopped upon Goofballs.
Make it on your list of one hit wonders for
this episode as well.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
It is my favorite way to describe addiction is hopped
up on Goofballs. If Disney had to make a movie
about addiction, the tagline might include she was hopped up
on goofballs in the four Know that and also I
could totally eat the butt off a scum.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Oh my god, it's so I have that one do.
That whole scene was fantastic. Well, let's talk about Alex.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean, this is this, uh, this is the introduction
of Janna Kramer as Alex Do prey go.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
So if you've already got your mouth up and go.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
I'm just so excited that she's finally here. Janna is
so funny. She is the level of commitment to play
someone like Alex who says these things out loud to
other people so shamelessly.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Like it just to me.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Speaks to Janna's boldness as an artist. And I also
just love her. She is so frickin funny. Her and
Lisa together like, I want this movie. I want the
Milicent and Alex show. I just like they There were
so many good things happening in this episode with those
two were my absolute favorite people.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
We missed it.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
We missed I needed a whole episode or a movie
of just Alex and Millie in the car. The plane
gets like gets canceled, they have to drive from New
York to Tree Hill, the two of them surviving with
each other in the car. That's that's what I want
to see. I was robbed.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
I didn't remember that we initially met her through that
movie she was doing. I didn't either through Julian's unreleased
movie sot so confused. What in the Jane Austen is
happening right now?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
What are we doing?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
But what a clever device that they circled back to
at the end of the movie for that button.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yes, And I was so excited that I didn't remember that.
That's how Brooke got obsessed with Alex, because when the
scene hit at the end, like it happened in my house,
and I had no idea, and I went, oh, you.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Didn't remember when she name the whole speech about the dress.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
I know.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I had a full out loud gas at the end
when Brooke and Julian are watching Alex's movie and they
leave the room and then her dress speech happens. I
was like, Oh my god, that conniving little shit, and
I was so happy because to your point, Rob, I
was like, God, they really circled back around in such
a good way.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I had just seen The Friends a few weeks ago.
I watched the Friends episode where it's the one that
could have been and Rachel is married to Barry and
she's like a she's a Jersey housewife, and she shows
up on set and she's a fan of Joey Tribani
and Days of Our Lives and he keeps trying to

(06:38):
get her to go home with him, and by he
gets her to go home with him by quoting all
these lines to her from his characters on Days of
Our Lives, and she keeps going, is that a line
for the show?

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Is that aline for the show?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
There was something about the way she was reading when
she took the robe off and she was standing there
in that dress, and I just was like, this is
a speech. This is definitely from something. Absolutely I didn't
expect it to be in the end of the movie,
but I definitely thought she was giving some kind of
speech from another role.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
I was half expecting her also to do it and
then be like sorry, I was being difficult earlier, like
you know, I've always been told you have to be
kind of a bitch to be famous or like something,
and be like, but this is the real me. And
then like book walks out of the room and she
looks at Millian and she's like, told you I was
a good actress, like I was. I was expecting that

(07:28):
after the dress speech. I was not expecting her to
have ripped it from her own movie. So I got
two surprises.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I want to see you walk in there and stare
at the TV at the end, like she was just
waiting for you, for you to walk back in the
room and be like, ah, but yeah, to cut away.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I was so glad that they came back to that
because in that scene and close over bros where she
gives you the speech, I was underwhelmed. I wrote in
my notes that really that was enough for the turnaround
for Brooke because it just didn't it didn't feel it
felt out of place. It just didn't feel organg. I

(08:03):
didn't quite buy it, So I'm sort of going that
was enough. So it was great that at the end
of it you realized, oh, that's why it was sort
of out of place, and disingenuous Cuz, yeah, yeah, it was.
It was a nice way to sort of cap.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
That exactly because you're watching it, going, why is this
turning things around for Brooks so fast? And I have
a note in my stuff of going like I wonder
if I had one of those moments where I said,
this doesn't feel like enough and they were like, tough shit,
it's in the script, shoot the scene, Like, yeah, I
wondered to myself, is this one of those times where

(08:36):
we just had to commit even though it felt off
so for for us to get to the end of
the episode and collectively the three of us, but I
would imagine also our friends at home, y'all can tell us,
you know, online to get to the end and go
that's why I didn't buy it, and it's it's yeah,
feels nice. You feel like you've discovered something as an

(08:57):
audience member. You know that you're in on a seat
secret and you are because now the audience knows that
Alex is a faker and brook still doesn't that whole though.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
You and Jana, but god, you and Lisa when you
said we should speak to her.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
In Spanish and she goes out blah blah, blah serves.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah, I would like lots of beer, and she's like, yes,
lots of beer.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Good.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Well, I did sort of bump on was that enough?
And sort of to your point, So if you're saying
I wonder if it was one of those days on
set where you were like, really, is that enough? The
thing that that why it works though, is that obviously
Brooke has such a big heart, and Alex didn't come
in and just say I made a mistake. She she
over shared in a big, vulnerable way, and it kind

(09:48):
of painted you into a corner of at least in
that moment, having to go okay, yeah, okay, okay, like
it didn't feel like it was the right time, Like
she didn't just give you a lazy excuse and you
could have gone, hey, this isn't working.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
You know, somebody's breaking down in tears in front of you,
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah, and talking about how they have nothing left because
of their struggles with addiction, and you're just.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Like, it's horrible. I'm so sorry. It is a disease.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's not a choice, you know, Like I love the
I love that to your point, like she hits Brooke
it like she tugs every single one of those hard strings,
and it's just like please, It's like, what am I
gonna do?

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Going back to the start of the episode, did anyone
else feel like the beach scene with Clay and Nathan
look like a failed screen test for Twilight. Yes, it
was two obscenely pale dudes running shirtless down the beach.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
It was great. That was so juicy.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
What made me laugh about it is that clearly you
guys were like really running in a wide shot and
then it cut to a close up of like the
last two steps when you get to the end of
a sprint and you feel like you're moving so fast
your legs are going to trip you. But like the
jump cut didn't work like in the wide you were
just getting going and then suddenly you were at the end,

(11:08):
which is what made it feel sort of twilighty, like.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
You guys were the same guy down the beach right there.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
There were a few moments in this episode of highly
questionable blocking in my opinion, and this was the start
of it, because never in my life have I been
running with a buddy and just thought, after we're really
gassed out, I want to stop and ask you a
question and then immediately start sprinting. It was yeah, yeah,
it was funny.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
That's the kind of stuff that would drive me crazy
as an actor, and what you're on set and things
just have to keep moving, and somebody set up the camera,
especially on a beach day, because they'll have set up
the cameras before. They don't bring you down to rehearse.
They're like, we got to keep everything moving. They'll just
set it all up, and then you walk on set
and they tell you where you're supposed to go, and
you're like, why would I do that?

Speaker 4 (11:54):
That's dumb.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
This is literally my job as an actor is to
tell you where I would go, what I would do,
what my character would be feeling, or how they would
be moving. So to he somebody else jump in and say, listen,
we need to eliminate your job and just have you
be a body that talks for a few minutes. You're like, great, okay,
just my day.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
It was fine because what that should have looked like
was we stop and there is twenty five seconds of
us catching our breath. Huh. And then I asked the question, yeah,
but like to Sofa's point, it was like we're sprinting
full speed for fifty yards and that's like, okay, so
this might not be so good. Huh, what are you

(12:36):
Jason Bourne.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
No, it's really weird. It was fun to watch though,
and I will.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Say like, this is one of those moments where I think,
after we did this job for so long, I'm like,
I get exactly what you're saying, joy, because I have
been like, well, then what did I come to work
for today? And then also there's the other side where
I get the director being like, well, what I don't
want is to have these two guys doing like a

(13:02):
walk and talk down the beach, and Clay is giving
Nathan such good advice. He's like, listen, you know, I
get that you're scared. I get that it's a contract year.
What we're gonna do is keep you in shape, keep
you fucking fast, keep you ready for work, and nobody's
going to be able to come at you. And so
I absolutely get how the director like made the choice

(13:23):
of ooh, this will be a nice way to get
in and to get out, and it'll have movement and
it'll look different than things look and all the other stuff.
And I was like, hold on, these boys are running
down a beach and no one is on it, and
then when you turn around, there's a thousand people aunt
Quinn's out for a walk into bikini.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
There's a snack stand.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
There's like kids burying grown ups, like what are we
talking about?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
We're not in the same place at all.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
And that that was like crazier to me. I was like, then,
why didn't you guys have them end their sprint, huff
and puff to the snackstand to get a water. And
then I have a serious conversation and get interrupted by
someone also going to the snackstand.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I was like, this is not.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah, it made me feel a little crazy, but you
guys really did You did it in.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
A very believable way.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
And I have to say, like, through the whole episode,
and I remember this at the time, and I know
it's because the material in his storyline is great, but
there was a very cool thing that happened when Clay
showed up in Nathan's world. And I really feel like
we got to see a side of James as an
actor that we didn't get before. We've had so much

(14:37):
of this amazing Nathan and Haley love story, you know,
and yes, pursuing your dreams, but like you've done so
much of it as a couple, and it's why Nealey
is iconic to us. But for me watching this, I'm like,
oh my god, I remember days on set watching you
guys work and being like, this dynamic is so cool,
And now that I'm seeing it again, I remember how

(14:58):
it felt then, and I'm really enjoying it as an
audience member.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Now.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
It's like a whole different window into one of our
favorite characters, and it lets you show up on that
level of a favorite character from day one, and you're
just so likable as Clay, and I trust your advice
and I trust your intentions, and I love the way
you confront Renee and the whole thing. I just was like, God,
their dynamic is so good.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, you show up already in charge, which is important.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
Oh thanks, Yeah. It was so fun getting there. Was
very little time wasted in terms of us jumping into
the thick of it. You know, it was essentially seven
oh one and then even seven oh one though ends
with oh no, yeah, So it was very short runway
before we kind of things took off and it got

(15:47):
heavy that I don't want to get ahead of us.
But there's that scene in the restaurant though with Renee. Yeah,
I it made me laugh so much that. I love
that James comes in so hot and an extremely crowded restaurant. Yeah,
he doesn't even wait till he gets the table. He's
probably twenty feet away, and he's like, why are you

(16:08):
doing this? Why are you doing this? And of course
Claire runs over and it ushers him out of the car.
It wouldn't they get in the car. Claiy goes, why
are you doing you maniac? And he goes, I just
wanted to talk to her. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
did you shouted across a crowded restaurant, you psychopath? What
she did was the opposite of.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
The absolute opposite. And by the way, like as soon
as he walked in, I was like.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Who what?

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Why are there a hundred phones in the air? And
then I realized watching the the Dan and Rachel's stuff,
I was like, oh, that's a v one iPhone right.
We were in the moment filming this where like iPhones
were still pretty new. Everyone didn't just have their phones
out filming everything all the time. They have pictures of
their food yet, and it created like a like a

(16:57):
separate ness.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
And I love that he and you were like, everyone's
got their camera phones out. I'm like, oh, we haven't
said camera phone in so long. And that was absolutely
in the script back then.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was really surprised when Nathan stormed in after this woman. Yes,
I really thought he's smart enough to not do that, but.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, come on, come on man.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Also, I'm sorry, but like a sonogram photo in a
in an envelope is not.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Yeah, I'm like, that's not a paternity test what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
But I do.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
I will say I understand the scare of it and
like the shrimp drop because the timeline and what I
loved is actually what sold it so well for me.
First of all, I think the gal who plays Renee
is great.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
She's great, Kate French is her name, Kate, That's right.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
She's really in it. She's likable, and yet somehow, because
of the way she's playing it, I don't trust her,
but I don't hate her. You know, Like she she
toes the line really well.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
There's this simple it's just kind of sympathetic, uh huh.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
And the way she looks at you, it's it's the
way she delivers how wild that party got, and then
the panic on your face because you know it was bad,
and you know you black, You were probably a little blackout,
and so was he. And so it's actually for me
the conversation that that Clay and Nathan have about that night.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
That sells it for me.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
That you're like, this is this is this is three
months And I was like, oh, they're they're making the
fact that it's only a sonogram photo feel like such
a bigger deal to me because they both are saying
without saying, yeah, I don't actually really remember what happened
that night, and that's where the fear comes in. And

(19:04):
I was like, God, everybody's just doing such a good
job with this, because those are the scenes that could
fall flat on the page. It's like, well, there's this,
and there's this, and then look at this and look surprised,
and you guys really made like a a yummy meal
out of it.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yeah, if she hadn't so successfully sowed the seed of doubt,
none of that works, because if that doesn't exist, it
doesn't matter if there's a sonogram. Nathan would just be like,
I know what I did. But when you do that,
then all of a sudden, it creates that shadow of
a doubt. But I want to rewind for a second.
As someone who, like I said, I remember so little
of the show. How big of a shock was it

(19:45):
when Dan's wife is revealed to be Rachel.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
The biggest Okay, it is the biggest shock. And here's
what's crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I I did.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Not remember that this was how it happened. I didn't
know it happened in seven oh two. I didn't know
it happened on his TV show in like a very
Tony Robbins Doctor Phil kind of way.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I was like, oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
The only reason I even remember Dan has a talk
show is because of things that come later with other characters.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I don't want a spoiler for the New Friends here.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
I remember a scene that happens, and this is not
a spoiler. It gives nothing away. Where Dan and Rachel
get back to Tree Hill and there's like this whole
scene at the airport and it's very chic and bougie.
That's the iconic Rachel reveals scene that I remember with Dan.
So when she walked out on the show this week,
I was like, wait, we already know this, like it

(20:40):
was so I was so surprised, and yeah, nobody could
believe it. When it happened.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Then, Yeah, I remembered it, and I was waiting for
it and was very excited to see it come to
life again because I haven't seen it since.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I think I remember it because I might have been
there that day on the set. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I just was whatever stopped by, but I do remembered it.
I do remember it, and it was very satisfying. It's
just so juicy and yummy and scandalous, and there there
was something about what did you just say? Uh oh yeah,
but the fans rob to answer your question. The fans

(21:21):
went crazy when this happened. The message boards lit up.
It was a really really big deal. Yeah, super super unexpected.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
And because the whole lead up is him saying things
that could potentially.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Be deb Yeah, you're like, oh my god, did they
actually work it out?

Speaker 4 (21:34):
They got they got back together. Yea, So it's a
big deal.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, because he talks about her struggles with like alcohol
and drugs, deb promiscuous, well deubdated skills and Dan you know,
tease her about it relentlessly, like all these things that
he's saying, and you're going.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Is dep Scott about to like walk out.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Like looking like a whole snack on this stage.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
And then it's Rachel and what I love. It's so funny.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Now, like Denil is such a power producer. She is
so smart about the way she works and the shows
that her and her husband make and everything that they
do together, and it was so funny to see the
foreshadowing of that. But inside the Rachel character, like this
woman who's having such a good time being married to

(22:25):
this rich guy and like giving him all the instructions
and she's put his whole life back together and you know,
she's creating the buzz online and.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
All the things.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
And I was like, oh my god, this is such
a trip because it's like it's like I'm seeing the
sinister twin sister.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Of my friend. But now, that's what I.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Thought was so interesting about watching Dan and Rachel was
that he consistently, even throughout the end of the episode,
going on his own to sit down next to his
new homeless friend and you know, have a beer without
cameras around, without his his wife and the entourage or whatever.

(23:04):
He's consistent in his appearance to be at least attempting
to redeem his life, and Rachel is clearly running the
show she's running everything, which is since when does Dan
the Mastermind decide to just turn over everything to somebody
else to run it? It's so interesting, most interesting thing

(23:26):
of the whole season, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Well, and what I love too is again I feel
like there was a little foreshadowing even us like going
down the rabbit hole of what a big concept forgiveness
is last week? Yeah about Dan, Like Dan's vibe in
this episode, like he feels like a full cult leader,
like do you think like this charming man is like

(23:51):
I have the way and come with me and redemption
is possible for you. And I was like, oh my god,
did we like sort of know how? Again down the
rabbit hole this storyline was going to go like were
we like having some sort of I don't want to
say premonition, but you know what I mean, like sense
of foreboding.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
It's so.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
It is so big and and for me that that
sort of mentality of like this man who wants to
be a leader and have these followers on TV.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Like even Dan's dialogue Toes the.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Line right He's like, well, I don't know about God,
but like you can read this book about me, Like
if there's all this stuff that I'm like, wait, this
is so funny and actually so weirdly familiar that it
leads to a bit of unsettling because you go, oh,
is he different or or is he really leaning into

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this thing and letting her take the reins so he
can have power.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
I don't know it.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
It spun me out a little bit in like a
good fun mystery way.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Well, the I thought the scene after the show is
wrapped and they've called cut was so great because first
it introduced the dynamic of she. He is so soft
and sensitive and loving and she is one hundred percent
business and calculated. Yeah. But the other interesting to your point,
so is that his his whole tone and his cadence

(25:21):
and his delivery of all of his stuff when he's
on camera that is very cult leaderish. He kind of
carries over into this moment with Rachel. He's still talking
at that same and so it would be different if
he sort of dropped back into normal Dan Scott, because
then you know, that's what you would expect it's a show.
But because he stays in that pocket, it kind of

(25:42):
makes you question whether, Okay, is this is this the
new version of him?

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Because he's being loving, but it's that it's that same
sort of like, oh, this still has that weird feel
to it.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah, because there's there's still a dynamic about appearance at play,
but now it's between the two of them, and it
does make you rewind, like we were talking about last
week to you know, he is he's opening what we
now know in this episode to be his talk show
last week, and he's talking about how he was supposed
to be dead by now and it's given him this

(26:16):
whole new lease on life and it made him see
everything differently, and you're like, is it true or is
it marketing?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Oh, it's all good and juicy. I think he really
believes it.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I think Paul certainly commits that Dan believes it as
a performer, and I'm just so curious to see where
it goes because again I don't really remember.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, I think he's genuinely trying to work his way
out of his own personal health. But the problem is
that's his whole life has just been deluding him, one
delusion after another, one self deception after another to try
and make himself feel better about all the things he's done,

(27:01):
which yeah, is the mark of a cult leader and
someone who's trying to be in charge of running a
bunch of people because he feels like I've found the answers,
and even in his delusion, I've got the answers.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I know how to fix this. I know how to
fix you, if only I can fix all these other people.
It's still the same thing.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's still self focus, right Like in his other life,
right his other before he didn't die, he was trying
to just he was like consuming, eat, eat, like eat
all the things that he wants, And now he's trying
to do the exact same thing, fill himself up by
sucking the life out of other people, by trying to

(27:46):
make them like, if I can make your life better,
then that gives my life value.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
It's so wild.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
Yeah, even the scene with when he goes outside and
he sees that there's the gentleman experiencing homelessness and he
walks over to him. It was funny because I laughed, going,
this is a real mixed bag because on one hand,
he's taking a moment and he's acknowledging this person as
a human being and he's asking him. On the other hand,

(28:13):
he offers his autographed book and not a sandwich. He
assumes the guy's going to sell the book for booze,
oh god, and then and then and then it's a
joy's point. It's not the Bible, but here's me, So
it's sort of It was like they had the trappings
of a sweet moment with completely botched delivery.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, but it works for me.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
I love it as much as it made me cringe
to watch it because it helps this dynamic of is
Dan different or is Dan exactly the same? I don't know,
and I can't wait to find out, Like it builds
the tension for me as a viewer. You know, do
I still love to hate this guy? Or am I
going to wind up loving this guy?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Like I don't? I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's the insidiousness about people who are so self delusional
too though they think that they've got they've figured it out.
And often people in that situation, like a cult leader,
they will take something that looks it looks true, like
it looks like everything else that you've seen that's true,
and you're like, yeah, I resonate with that. There's one

(29:22):
little thing that's off, Like you're handing me your book
that's signed. You're handing me this autographed book instead of
a sandwich, as you say, but there's so much about
it that feels good or feels familiar. You're like, oh,
I guess maybe maybe it's the same thing. Sure, And
it's hard to notice those things.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, Yeah, You're like, maybe he's using cringey terms because
he's like kind of a boomer and doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
But maybe his intentions are good.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
And it kind of makes it that much more believable though,
because he isn't a new person. He's still Dan Scott,
and even if this is all in earnest, he wouldn't
suddenly know, he wouldn't have this new shorthand with how
to communicate with people in a brand new way. So
it is very very believable. Yeah, but it is funny

(30:13):
that he he's like, hey, tell me about yourself and
then immediately is like, enough of you. I'm sure you
want to drink booze read my book that I'm going
to sign here. I believe me signing my name is
going to make it more valid. It was just like
it was so weird, you know what.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
It really reminded me in the moment, I just wrote
the one word down, but now it's like bringing back
so many memories of watching Did you guys watch the
docu series on Nexiam, Yes, Oh my god, it's so
incredible and like all of these women wound up in
this horrific situation based on like the initial idea was,

(30:50):
We're going to sort a women's empowerment group for you ladies. Yeah,
and it's so dark and like watching all these old
videos of that guy Keith Ranieri, I was like, we
there's something really again. I think smart on the part
of the writers because I feel like they looked to

(31:11):
examples of people like that for this version of Dan
where you're like, is he funny fix people kind of
on TV Doctor Phil or is he like scary cult guy?

Speaker 4 (31:23):
And I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
And in the beginning of a seventh season of a
TV show, when someone like Dan Scott is such an
iconic character and you feel like you know everything about
him and his inner workings, to have him feel brand
new and newly dangerous, Like, honestly, it's such a hats
off for me to the writers because I'm like, you
guys managed to thread and needle here, and like, to

(31:47):
be clear, we don't always do that so well on
our show.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Like sometimes we watch episodes and.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
We're like, wow, that scene was really embarrassing. This arc
for me was terrible for three episodes because they just
needed me to get from point A to point B
and they had nothing in between. So I'm like a
dancing puppet, like we we can absolutely make fun of
ourselves in the writing.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
That wasn't good. But when it's this good, I'm like,
oil guys.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Okay, Coller, yeah, Dollar, I'm very impited.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Tap in before. That's the thing, man, all these cult leaders,
it's like they work.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Out of the There's been so many like for decades,
but that's how they get people.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I mean, I've been working on my you know, six months. Dinner.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
This is also the whole thing about sucking. That's why
I call it dinner for vampires, because you're like sucking
the life out of people around you. And that's what
these guys do. Like the Keith ranary. You got to
watch this documentary Robins.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
We'll talk about it's so good.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
That gets you because it's like a oh yeah, women's
empowerment or like let's start a Bible study or let's
start a you know whatever. Come come see a talk,
like a Ted talk kind of thing, and there's so
much of it that seems reasonable. It's just it's like
it's such a slow burn.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's like a copy of a Ted talk but it's
a lit something's.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
A little off and you don't know what, And like
that's what I think is so interesting, is even in
them choosing to use this talk show format for Dan Scott,
Like we've all gotten great things out of those sorts
of shows, and particularly in that era. Like when I
was a little kid, I used to literally bargain with
my mom that if I was getting straight a's, would

(33:17):
you please pick me up at two forty five from
school even though the bell doesn't ring till three, because
if you pick me up at two forty five, I
can be on my butt in the den to watch
Oprah and she starts at three. And my mom was like,
you're nine, I'm not bargaining with you over your education,
and why do you want to come home and watch
Oprah so bad?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Like I feel so shaped by that show. And so
there really is.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Something I think about leaning into that space where you're like, yeah,
this feels familiar but a little off.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, And where are the blind spots where people are
like willing to make concessions and they're all, yeah, because
it's filling a hole in some way, and.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
He's tapped in. Dan Scott's figured it out well.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
And by the way, it's a exactly what works with
Alex and Brooke.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, Brooke doesn't know yet.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
That that speech is familiar and a little off because
it's actually a dialogue from a movie. But like we
all picked up on it and we were like, wait,
it's like a good apology, but also it feels weird.
It's a truism that like is mirrored in the episode
over and over again, and I love it. Like I
even feel it in the Stuff with You Joy between

(34:26):
Haley and Quinn when you're like, but what happened and
she's like, it just changed. It just changed because you
know there's more to this story.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah, that was such a lame answer that she gave me.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Yeah, but you can tell from her performance that like
there's something under there. Yeah, and it makes you go,
I think I'm supposed to know more.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, but you're not really like that it, so we'll
move on. But yeah, yeah, that was not a satisfactory answer.
I literally have that in my notes Marriage Falling Apart,
Open Mic Night's story is lame.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Wait, I was gonna be like, Okay, so you hated
that he just changed? Answer did getting to the point
where he didn't want to like live the life they'd
lived together together anymore?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Like did that help you? And you're like, lame.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
I understand, of course, I understand the concept of someone
changing and kind of becoming a totally different part. You're like,
this isn't who I married, this is not what I expected.
And there's varying degrees of That's. Hey, there's varying degrees
of that where some are acceptable and move forward together

(35:35):
a bowl, and there are others that are not.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
And I understand all that. That's it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
But he's not the same person anymore. He just changed.
I didn't change. He changed. I went to an open
mic night and I didn't want him to be there
with me.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
I was like, no, tell me what happened.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, But maybe maybe Haley gets that out of her later,
because it's just too it's too vague to just say
someone changed. And I didn't know if the writers were
being lazy or if it was like we had, they
had six drafts of it and they had to make
a decision on one and nobody could decide and somebody
wasn't available over a weekend, and who knows, the line
just got written as it was. I don't know, but
it was unsatisfactory to me.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
It almost feels like they knew they wanted there to
be something, but they hadn't figured out what the something was,
so they were just smooting to a mystery something.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Maybe maybe Yeah, because it leaves it, it cracks the
door wide open. I mean, it can't be more vague
than I did. Like her line where I think you
say to her joy, you say, people have the right
to change, and she says, yeah, but people also have
the right to stay the same.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, that was my favorite too, which.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I love that. I love that line, but it is
it's it's so wildly vague that it kind of does
it paints them into no corners now. Yeah, so it
kind of bought them time to see like how your
guys's chemistry was going to be and how everything went
to sort of maybe they can make it better in
form decision three episodes down the line.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, maybe that's it. I hope we do find out more.
I do too.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I do too, but I will say I I did
appreciate that that was the nugget for me, because yes,
of course, you imagine, like when you set out to say,
I want to try to be with this person, you know, forever,
like all these dream scenarios we've talked about for our future,

(37:26):
like I want to work to make those true, and
sometimes they're just not sometimes like the words can't be
translated into action, and how do you know when to
call it? And how do you know when to choose yourself?
And what I got, you know, from Chantell's performance, which

(37:48):
I thought was so it was beautiful to watch, even
though I think the writers did a disservice with this
really ambiguous scene they gave the two of you, because
you're both great actors, and like you could have told
us story instead of you know, done the weird alluding
to something thing.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
But I could feel.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
The like pain of we made these plans together, we
committed to a life together, and he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Want it anymore. Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
How hard it can be to say, like I'm so
miserable I realize I don't miss someone. Yeah, Like I
think we've all felt that in our own way, you know, offscreen,
even on like early in our show Brooks says it
to Lucas, She's like, you never missed me, and I
stopped missing you. And I think there's something so true
about when someone's not willing to make an effort for you.

(38:44):
How long are you supposed to wait?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Is it a year? Is it four years? Is it
ten years?

Speaker 5 (38:49):
How long do you wait for them to care enough
to care about you? And it it? Even though it
was ambiguous. I almost wonder if it makes it feel
relatable for everyone because you're like, oh, I don't know
what she's talking about, but I know what she's talking about.
I'd be really curious for audience feedback on that.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
M It makes it that much more accessible the broader
you keep it.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
But also, you know, though, it's kind of a sneaky
tool because it invites speculation and back then when the
messageboards were going crazy and fan theories were going crazy, Yeah,
that's pretty juicy bait to put out there to then
let the fans run with and theorize before you answer
it in three episodes.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
If indeed they answer it, I hope they answer it.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yes, If they don't, I think people are smart and
telling someone your own story that is in the same
vein is somehow similar to their story is valuable, Like
people could hear some sort of specific ideas and go like, okay, well,
in my own circumstance, it wasn't exactly that, but I

(39:58):
still feel all those same things, which I think sometimes
can be more valuable than just a broad statement, because
then it's like, well, but how like, I don't do
you actually understand how I feel? But all of this
is moot if they don't actually answer the question.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I think they will. I know. David comes in because
it was Alison who plays Miss Lauren's husband in real life. Yeah,
I was so happy to have him. It was so
fun when Scott got cast.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Yeah, how wonderful is Gregory Harrison Julian's dead Paul?

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Oh yeah, I love that man.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Another funny moment. So I had just done a series
with Gregory for two years and loved him. I had
completely forgotten he was on the show until I start
watching these and he's so good and their stuff is
so wonderful. The thing I laughed at well first before

(41:09):
that scene was the way Brooke is suggesting, the way
she's commenting on the positioning in the location of the
poster as a guy with no fashion sense or an
eye for decor, and I have a wife who has
a wonderful eye for decor. I felt that conversation on a
very deep, relatable level. But the one thing about the
scene with Julian and Paul was that awkward blocking alert

(41:34):
where Julian is standing right next to the front door
and Paul sort of standing in the middle, and he goes, Dad,
I think you should leave, and rather than opening the
door for him, he takes five false steps for five
steps away from it and kind of stops and waits
so that they can have that shot of Paul talking

(41:54):
over his shoulder. And I just went, buddy, you had
him standing next to the door. Yeah, no adult would
go I think you should leave. I'm going to walk
to the other sideway. You know. It was just, yeah,
I felt like I felt I felt as an actor, going, oh,
this is one of those moments where you're.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Like, please don't make me do this.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Yeah, can we not? Can we skip that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
They were trying to make lunch. They were just like,
come on, let's They were like, now.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
You walk in and then it's going to be your
close up.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
That poster was so random to me.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I understand what they were high to do, but it
hung so high, so high, I appreciated that they length
leaned into the awkwardness of it. Yeah, because it did
look really strange, just random generic leaf pattern wallpaper with
a thin red line poster on it, like it was
he not decorating the rest of the house.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
But fine, I get it. It just felt a little clunky.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Yeah, I will say I really again, Like, don't get
me wrong, I love the love stories on our show.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
You know, that's what we're here for.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Like, we wouldn't do all that, we wouldn't have done
any of the dumb shit all of us have done
in our lives if we weren't here for the love part.
But I love seeing these relationships between Nathan and Clay,
between Julian and Paul. And I was so taken by
Austin's performances because when you think they're going to have

(43:21):
this conversation where he's like, I'm sorry, I hung a
poster in the middle of your living room and he
tells this story about this day with his dad, it's
so I can see all the emotion right under his eyes,
right beneath his chest, like it's so alive for him
and what I wanted to like high five him through

(43:41):
the TV when we were watching the terrible way they
made them block that scene because he used awkward blocking
to give himself a moment to turn. And I'm telling you, guys,
like when I saw him turn away from camera and
turn back to Gregory, I was like, oh my god,
he looks like a five year old boy, Like he
looks like a little boy trying to talk to his dad.

(44:04):
And it for these new characters in the same way
I feel with Nathan and Clay. I feel like I
got all their history in two scenes with Julian and
Brook and then Julian and Paul.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I was like, oh, I have all of it.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
I understand Paul as deeply as I understand Victoria, and
I loved feeling like those men showed up for this
like intimacy and this and no one was afraid to
be revealing. And even Gregory, he's such a beautiful actor.
When he's apologizing and he admits he doesn't remember the day,
I was like.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Oh my god, I want to sob. I really loved it.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
That your speech to him was such a such a
great portrayal of just an act of love, of caring
for someone and being someone's protector. You know, it was
it was such a nice moment. And then when he
circles back with with Julian, you know, my note was, Oh,

(45:00):
parents in real life could have such profound and quick
adjustments like it was. It was such a wonderfully I'm
sure every therapist would love that that was the case
because they were so much more successful. But it was.
It was so quick and so meaningful, which made for
a great payoff. It was like, oh, if only, if only,
this is sort of the way it went most of

(45:21):
the time.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that too watching it. How
incredibly I mean, even conversations with my dad, who I'm
close with, talking about I'm sorry that I did this,
or I'm sorry that I didn't show up in this way.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I mean, it's so uncomfortable and we're both like trying
not to cry. We're like, we're cool, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, but you know that stuff is really hard to
talk about, you, I mean, for me and my parents.
I don't know, maybe yeah, maybe it's not for everybody,
but I wanted to see more emotion At the beginning,
I was like, how is he just so easily saying
these lines like I'm sorry that I paid more attention

(46:01):
to fictional characters than I did to you. And I
was like, ma'am, that doesn't that's not hard to say. Gosh.
But then when he looks at the poster and he
realizes he doesn't remember the day, it went from this
sort of I'm going to be an adult and I'm
going to be diplomatic and I'm an executive and I
can apologize when I'm wrong, and I'm just going to
say I'm sorry to my son, to oh, I've actually

(46:25):
been a pretty terrible father in this way. Yeah, And
it's like it didn't hit him until he really looked
at the poster and realized that the most meaningful day
to my son I literally do not remember. Then you
saw it, that the vulnerability in his whole face, it
was great. I thought it was really beautifully done.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
That line. I think the acknowledgment that he doesn't remember
the day is where he earns that whole speech. Yeah,
because that's because he didn't need to say that. He
could have said nothing, and Julian probably would have hoped
slash believed that his dad remembered it the same way
that he did, but being vulnerable and sort of exposing
the fact that he doesn't even remember it. It's like, Okay,

(47:05):
you're You're not worried about how you're going to look
right now or how I'm going to feel about you
saying that you're just You're just You're giving me the
dignity of being honest with me.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
The dignity of it.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Yeah, beautiful, And there was something too. I loved the
way the scenes mirrored. I loved being able to defend
him as Brooke. I loved being able to step up
and say, you know what, here's the issue, Like that
is a thing I will do for the people I
love in my own life forever. I think the way

(47:41):
you phrased it, Rob makes me want to sob in
the best way.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Like the act of love of it.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
And for her to say there was only one day
and that's the problem. It should be the inverse. The
one day you made him feel terrible should be the
rare day. And then when I think it leads into
that thing with Gregory and the way he plays it
for him to go, yeah, I don't remember that one

(48:08):
day and it's like, oh God, everybody in the room,
everybody in this house knows it's it's bad. But yeah,
the chance maybe to have it changed. Maybe the way
that hit him Paul like, wait a second, this this

(48:29):
woman is telling me this thing, and yeah, I don't
know the one day it was there, only one day.
I wonder how long he ruminated on that.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
You know, it's Oh, I just thought it was really great.
I loved it all. Maybe feel very emotional.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
And kind of like Joy was saying, it's there is
almost a weird amount of polish to his to this
speech he gives for someone who, if has spent his
whole life being the opposite of it, you would think
it would have been a lot more clumsy and clunky
and in our so the fact that it is kind

(49:03):
of polished and well spoken. But then he throws this in,
like I said, I think that's what sort of sells
the whole thing and grounds it and you go, oh, okay, yeah,
I buy all of it. Totally changing a subject here,
but speaking of great intros from last episode, Jana her
first proper scene in this show, when she meets Millie

(49:26):
at the airport. She it's another one of those scenes.
It's dynamic, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It's early aughts fashion.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
It's oh, I don't mean the Jane Austen, I mean
the the early aughts.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
It's like early two thousands, late nineties that fashion. Everything
she was wearing was so eppecific. It's so brittany Christina,
like everything from those magazines back then.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Yeah. Yeah, with the exception of her dropping a hard
R word, it was pretty polished and perfect.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I didn't love that, But interestingly it it leads to
the disgust even more. You're like, you're a mere monster.
You're a monster. And you can see it on Millie's face.
She's like, wait, who is this person? Oh no, and
everything from like the horrible thing she has to say
about people to you know, oh, I just made that up.

(50:18):
Let's go to a Mickey Dez, like to your favorite line,
I could eat the butt off of skunk, Like, yeah,
digging through the limo, Janna even changed the cadence of
her voice.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, Like walking through the airport, she's.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Like, oh, thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
No, you're brave.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
And then she gets in and she's like ew gross,
Now hungry, when where's my alcohol?

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Like it and you're just aghast. That was my word.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I am a gast, a gust and like, how fun
to feel that way watching someone perform.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
And she plays Alex with such earnestness in the sense
of you see it in the clothes over bro scene,
which in comedy is so great because the more you
can commit, the better it's going to be. But that
wonderful exchange of that's what she said, and then her
sincerely not getting it but then wanting to be in

(51:13):
on the joke and then using it incorrectly was good,
so much fun. You know, they say there's no vanity
in comedy, and that was a perfect example of just
she was willing to just go for it and look
like a complete ass, and it made the joke land
so well.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Yeah, it was perfect.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
It was.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
And then not only does she use it wrong, but
when she sets me up for a good one and
I use it and she's like, who oh, my friend,
yeah she said that, and the scene is I was like,
this is so it's just so good.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I enjoyed watching you enjoy that, like the choice to
make Brooke not just totally appalled, but actually so beyond
you were incredulous. It could just could not believe it,
and then you really started to enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
It was great. I really I had so much fun
with it.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
And it's funny because watching Alex and Millie together, I
was like, well, I want this whole movie. I want
this buddy comedy. And then that scene with the three
of us I wrote down. I was like, oh, I
want us to remake nine to five. Oh yeah, it
would be so funny.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Uh. The the one thing about that scene that I
had I had to laugh at and just shake my
head was when she goes says something to the effect
of oh, you know, and because I have a great butt,
and they actually do a gratuitous close up shot of
her butt in underwear, and it was that reminder of.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know what show this is.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
I know it showed. Okay, we still got that's still happening,
all right.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I mean, by the way, Janna got it, Chantell got it.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
On the beach, India gets it soon, India gets it
all the time. There was there was a shot on
the beach leading up to one of those snackstand scenes,
or maybe the one where skills in Miss Lauren get buried.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
That's just two girls walking by. It's just their butts.
It's hip bones down, yeah, just butts, And I.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Was like, wow, they really was this like a U
Was this an email sent to camera people from our
boss like more butts?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
I don't know what's.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Happening because the guys that were running our camera department
were not no look, I mean no, these guys were
us men. They were wonderful, lovely, wonderful, respectful men. So
there had to be some kind of company wide memo
that went out that was like, we need more TNA
on this show.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Boy.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Speaking of Chantell on that beach, the scene that moment
where she walks up to Clay and Nathan and she says, hey,
dumb and dumber, perfect line. I don't know because I
don't remember whether on the day this was just a
choice I made or if it was me dealing with
sunscreen in my eyes and a bright sun on a beach.

(54:01):
But watch that moment when she says hey dumb and
dummer and Clay it just sort of goes like, hey,
I make the most awkward, weird, blinking face. And it
was either a genius choice or just a beautiful accident.
It's probably it was just a beautiful accident. But you
got to watch it because it is the most sincere

(54:24):
a guy completely losing his cool and not knowing how
to behave.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Yeah well, and wanting to say something funny, and then
also knowing he's not supposed to flirt with this girl
because his brother in law's standing there. It's like the
short circuit of not knowing what to do.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
We would be remiss if we didn't at least take
a moment to acknowledge how amazing the scene with Joy
playing not one, not two, but three iconic characters from Montree.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I was like, when are we getting into Red Bedroom Records?
Because it's so funny.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Are so funny in that scene and the way that
you played Chad especially nailed both of them. But the
choices you made on Chad were so funny to me,
you had me cracking up.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Oh good, they were so great. I was scared to
do that. Why well, because I don't want hurt anybody's feelings.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
It's like, where's the line between a roast and like
when you're making fun of someone in a way that's hurtful.
And I was like, yeah, I don't want to hurt
anybody's feelings, and maybe like maybe these people maybe you know,
they don't know that some of these are some of
their fun ticks, like.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yeah, like I've got mine. Everybody's got mannerisms on camera
and things.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
That we carry over to other jobs and or just
playing as Haley or Peyton or Lucas or whatever. So yeah,
but I just I went for it. It was it
was scary, though, I remember being.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Like, oh, and the reason why I think it wasn't
it didn't seem cruel to me was I think any
young male actor who has aspirations of being a leading man,
especially in that time period, knows that cool guy WinCE,
the cool guy voice. And let me'll tell you what,
if you've ever taken a headshot, you certainly know the
cool guy I wish you're watching on YouTube. Everyone's taken

(56:10):
that headshot. Guys go to YouTube dot com to seat
every headshot I've ever taken right now.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Great.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
So when you did the hand on the back of
the head, it was so there. It is every male
actor knows that.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I also think, like a, yes, the timeliness of it's
so reflective of the era. But I think too, you
were the only one who could have done it because
Brooke and Peyton and Lucas had their love triangle drama.
Nathan also dated Peyton, Like, Haley is literally the best

(56:43):
friend who doesn't have personal life drama with these two people.
So for her, I think she's like the one character
who can lovingly make fun of those people without anyone
being like, wow, she inserted that because it's like, no, yeah,
it works for me because of history and because of
this sort of sister vibe that Haley has with both

(57:05):
Peyton and Lucas.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
I think it's just perfect.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
And you know, you've officiated their wedding and you really
do know them so incredibly well that you can you
can lovingly giggle about their ticks.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I wonder how it came up in the writer's room,
Like what somebody sitting there writing the scene, going what
would Haley do next? Well, if Peyton and Lucas were there,
she would call them huh actually yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
And then they just wrote that in that's I think
that's so funny. I never would have thought of that.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
It's really feel like one of those things where circumstances
create a problem and the solution you end up scrambling
together is better than the original. Plants like Indiana Jones
and Harrison Ford had the flu and there was supposed
to be the huge fight with the guy with the sword,
and instead he was feeling terrible and he just went,
how have I just pull out the gun and shoot him?
And then went okay. And now that's the most iconic

(57:55):
thing that that fight scene where the guy does all
the sword stuff and he just stands there nonplussed and
then pulls out his gun and shoots. The only reason
that happened was because he had the flu on that day.
He was so, how about I just shoot the guy instead?
Spielberg was like, Okay.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Oh that's great. I had no idea how Yeah. I
love hearing those kind of stories. Yeah, that's great. I
love it so cool. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
The solve of not having these people anymore and missing them,
like Jamie reading the birthday card from Lucas and getting
the ball in seven oh one, is such a tug
on the heartstrings moment, and then to get this comic
relief with like, I miss my friends. I can't call them,
I don't know who to ask, what to do here?
And I like that Hayley goes to Peyton first, because

(58:41):
obviously she's your business partner, and you guys run this
label together, and then it's like, wait a second, I
could do the same with Lucas. It's it's just so
it's natural and it's so so funny. Yeah, and the
whole dynamic that runs under this scary thing. And I
don't know if you and Les Butler talked about this,
but I was gonna ask, like, the whole dynamic under

(59:03):
the red bedroom storyline is funny even when you come
up with your big idea though, Like the way you
grab your purse and you're like flailing running out of
the room, like everything's funny, Like you're being very physically
comedic in a stressful situation. And then when you and
Kate are at it, you know, Mia comes to the rescue.

(59:26):
You guys are really funny. You're doing a like a
good cop bad cop thing together.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yeah? And was that intentional? Was the goal? Like, oh, this.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Record label drama could feel like heavy and like a
big fight, and we want it to feel light and
funny because you're gonna win.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
No, I'm just a really animated person and I had to.
I feel like I had to be so stiff as
Hayley so often, and I was always trying to do
my lucial ball stuff and Greg or whoever you know,
usually Greg, but a lot of our directors would be like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Could you tone it down a little, like it just
not a sitcom. I'm like, oh fine, like but I'm
working buck In.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So yeah, no, I think it was I was just
probably feeling they also, I mean at that time and
when was this two thousand and seven. Yeah, I mean
I was like in my personal life incredibly depressed during
that time, and so I but my saving grace was work,
Like I would go to work and be able to
just let loose.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
And have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
And so I desperately needed play at that time in
my life, and I think I started just taking every
opportunity I could on set to just make it as
fun as humanly possible for myself.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
So I did.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
That's my ever loving mind. Yeah I get that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I mean that was, by the way, like full moment
of vulnerability. That was my whole experience doing my play
in London, Like when you are so crushed and you
realize like, oh, everything I've built my life life into
I think I think was like words not actions, maybe
like yeah, this is not what I thought it was

(01:01:08):
going to be. That is where I think we have
such a privilege as artists, because when you can go
to work and be in your body and like move
and process and laugh and also sometimes laughing is what
helps you cry, Like art can actually be the thing
that heals you or that gets you free. Yeah, and
man like now that of course, I'm like, oh my god,

(01:01:30):
of course that tracks in like obviously, conversations we were
having then about what was happening in your life, the
conversations we were having last year about was hapening in
my life. Like it it really can become like your
only place for respite. And so I'm like, oh, of
course you were managing to insert comedy into this like

(01:01:52):
essentially contractual fight, you know about like someone buys your
record label. That's like an arranged marriage at work. Like
of course you needed a little bit of levity in
those spaces. But I as if you were not even
thinking about that personal life stuff. While I was watching it,
I was like, God, I love the choice to make
this like a funny fight instead of another SOB story

(01:02:17):
fight like team Damas love to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, thanks, we needed some of that, especially with all
the drama coming. I'm excited to see what happens after
Nathan has his big really so much tension, so many
big things coming.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
Him Walking out there to you, I was like, oh
my god, oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god,
oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I have to tell you something. I was like, oh
my god, Yeah, like, do you remember what's coming? I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I mean, I know he's going to tell me everything
that I wasn't there for in the episode, but well, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Wow, I don't either. Honestly, It's fun and I like
it that way because I get to experienced this like
a first time viewer, where I'm just I'm I'm on
board for the ride. Do we want to do some

(01:03:18):
honorable mentions? Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just just
jump right in here. Because Denzel and Macaulay for the
walkie talkie handles between Jamie and Skills delighted.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Me me too.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
That whole scene I could have I could have also
done with thirty more minutes of Alison and Antoine and
Jackson in the car. That was. I mean the fact
that little Jamie's playing therapist to Antoine before Miss Lauren
gets in the car, and then the fun of leaving

(01:03:54):
them at the beach. But then the walkie talkie handles
man that that was perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I can't believe they had to sit there and get
buried in the sand to do that scene. I really
hope they weren't there for a long time. I should
call Alison an asker.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I know, I was thinking that too, Like, how
long did they have to be under the sand?

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
That's not a beach day.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
I want Did they have to bury their stand ins
first to get all the lighting right?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Oh my god, they I'm sure they did.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I would imagine they dug the pit and then just
had the stand and sit.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
In, yeah, the empty pits.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
And then put Alison and Antoine in and put the
sand over that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
So my honorable mention goes to every girl on the
show that doesn't have straight hair having exactly the same hairdoo.
Every curly haired girl had exactly the same hair you actually,
so if your hair in the first scene with Austin,
like the first half of the show was not the same.
It was like this really lovely beachy wave, but you

(01:05:03):
still had the bangs we had. They were like side bangs, right, Yeah,
and I loved that on you. But yeah, me Kate
India's was straight, but it was still the same cut. Chantelle,
same straight but same cut, and then Millie and then
you occasionally with the bangs in the curly hair, but

(01:05:24):
it was mostly you were doing your own thing. But yeah,
so many same Especially when Kate and I were standing
next to each other in the red bedroom, I was like,
what what happened? We just both went to the same
hair salon before we came. It was this was a
rough season for hair for me. But uh, yeah, that's
my honorable mention.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Just everybody gets the same hair too today.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Oh my goodness, I feel like I have forty honorable
mentions in this episode.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah, give us a real one them all. I'm joking,
but yes, I'm like, we and here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Yeah, I think all I'll go with Daniel. Like just
the mic drop coming out Rachel as Dan's wife and
being so in her power and like so obviously in control.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
I was like, oh, I'm here for this. I can't
wait for more. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Also that that's what she said entire scene.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yes, yes, yes to all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Should we spind a wheel? Bum bum bum bum bum
bum bum? Most likely to become a vegan? This is
a bummer of a wheel question this week.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I mean it's not me, um me yeah, maybe Whitey,
you know, maybe just cause she's getting a little bit
later in life and he wants to dis increase that
longevity and he thinks I'm just gonna go ahead and
be a vegan. So that works out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
We'll take it. I love that answer. All right, great, Whitey,
it is. What do we have next week?

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I'd love to tell you we have next week? So? Uh,
Season seven, episode three, hold my hand as I'm lowered.
Oh raises more questions than answers. Gotta watch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Sounds a little morbid, but okay, here we go, Here
we go, Bie, everybody see you next week. Bye, hey,
thanks for listening.

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