Episode 392 w/ AZ

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
Now, when we talk about you know, interviewing legends and
interviewing icons and interview and people who changed the game,
this man has been a part of, you know, an
album that changed my life. This man has been classic
after classic, you know what I mean, lyric who after
I'm listening to his listography. You can't find a whack

(01:15):
bar nowhere. Like when you talk about lyricism, you talk
about a man who stood this test of time, did it,
was a part of the most legendary group ever.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And we're gonna talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
He is here, new album on the way or probably
out by the time we dropped this. In case you
don't know, we're talking about the one, the only so.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That we've been trying to get you for eight years.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Man, you are one of the most requested guests because
every time we get a guest and that's say, well
you ain't getting easy yet.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, So tell us what's been going on in your life?
Hey man? Just trying to figure it out, you know
what I mean. Took a step back for a few years,
you know, and watch the game transition to this technology
then you know, the social media and putting a few
songs out, waiting to get into the white mind frame.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
To put albums out.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
So twenty twenty one, I dropped Door dot two. That
was a great thing for me, and now I'm on
the next album. Yeah, and this is independent, all independent fact.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, what's the difference from you? Because you know, first
time we ever heard you we heard you on Life's
a Bitch on not Ill matters a major label and
I believe if I'm not if I'm incorrect, I believe
you signed to EMI after that. Facts, So tell us,
tell us what was that transition like, well, me.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Me, I wasn't trying to get on I just met nads.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
To a phone call, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's crazy, I don't know for somebody I don't know, Jambo,
you know, yeah, yea my man his man and my
man Brooklyn betting your man the Queens type of thing.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
So we was on the phone.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I think I was on the phone with a lot
of rappers and me and and now it's kind of
more or less click because we was talking that ship,
you know what I mean, And we stayed on the phone.
I necessarily wasn't looking for a deal. I was like,
if it happened to happen, you know what I mean.
And it took about a year before I saw Nas
and went to the studio and he was halfway through
Illmatic and I was just dead supporting, you know what

(03:27):
I mean, coming through showing love. And probably the last
song was Life's a Bitch and and l E. S
Was in there put it on and I'm in there vibbing.
I'm like, I'm rapping, like yo, let me hear that.
And I did it and I'm like the fuck out here, man,
you popping like you love? Right, already because I think
halftime was out. You know, for me, I'm not that
confident at the end of the day. So when I

(03:48):
did it, you know, the crew was in there, they
went crazy. I figured just you know, they're showing love.
Was I'm there whatever. A week a week later, he
came back and said, yo, I turned the album. Men.
I was like, world, uh, he's like, and I kept
life to bitch on it. I was like, oh, ship okay,
but I still felt the ways. I'm like, you know,
I ain't even like my voice at the time or whatever,

(04:09):
right when you hear yourself for the first time. But
when it came out, motherfuckers went crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, it went crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And then wait, wait for it. From there, every label
came at me. Yeah, every label. But I was trying
to figure it out. Ian mindn't have a lot of
artists that they had Gang Star at the time, you know,
and gang Star, you know, they put their work in,
but I know it wasn't like klutted. So I wanted
to come over there and be like the nucleus of
what was going on. So I signed with them and

(04:38):
then you have it. Okay, So but let's all right,
So you saying that this started from a false carse
like like just playing around, like yo, a man from Brooklyn.
Nice and you had you had it laiden versus prior
to that, I was I was never was in an
official studio, like I'm bullshited.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Here and there, you know what I mean, yourself an
like you were just you were just bullshiting.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
We all love rap, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I mean, I'm sure everybody here think they could rap,
you know what I mean? So I could rap, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
I mean, you was different, man, You're a little different
than just now in hindsight.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
But then I was like, nah, you gotta you gotta
understand halftimes out he's already the streets talking. I'm just
a motherfucker from Brooklyn, you know what I mean. Try
to figure it out. So it was good when when
when I did get the love, so I know I
had what it took, you know what I mean at
the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Okay, so you hadn't really officially been in the studios.
He said, he invites you to the studio. I had
met each other at shut it out like yeah, you
know na. I was like, yo, man, you know this
is Hypothetha. My brother got shot. I'm like, damn, my
man just got shot. Your mother man got locked up,

(05:49):
your mother man got killed. We had the same similar stories,
you know what I mean. So I wasn't beat to
go to the studio.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I just ain't give a fuck, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
So I guess like it had to be about a
year about He's like, yo, man, we had at chun
King when I was down there on Canal Street. Yeah yeah,
so I was like, fucking, I ain't doing nothing. I'm
gonna come through. And you know I went through. You know,
have a thousand niggas in there. But it was all
good and it was a good vibe because when I
saw him, I was like, this is your first time,
my first time, my height, my statup, waves fly, nigga,

(06:24):
bunch of wolves around us is like you know what
I mean. It was like, okay, that's like my brother,
you know what I mean. And it was a good rob.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
You have to drinks up me and my this is
my man dreamed he battle on who who who can
quote the best of So I'm he and tell us.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
You gotta hold o Bron't tell me there that's just
what best. Yeah, I can't hold on b.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Fishing lodges were real.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Listens, We're like relax Bality muscles the badage, the first
the status of real su have my mon Sality gets
money over to Ken you.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Other Listen, there's a little more.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
The people have ever.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Made it this year.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
We won't forget it, said the God. This it's all
of us.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
Jesu satisfic said that we need turning the car addition
good good opening the Westerns the vidment inside of the
guys feb We don't think about your own had to go.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
We ain't long we leave people if we leave it
once got the door you Kennedy.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Reciting turned the papers, seeing Monday for me somewhere sacking
Kenny players Fee and real Masa.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Getting I'm gonna tell you, I know I when that round.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I know.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
The fact of course I didn't. I always knew how
ill that verse was.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
But I'm literally in dfy when this album comes out,
and this album made me one of the right rhymes.
But I'm sitting there and I did not know who
easy he was by, and.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm like, who is this guy? And you're not from
the Bridge neither.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'm right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking like I'm thinking,
who the hell does it? And then it was in
Brooklyn kids from me, Jamel Simon and Jamal. I forgot
Jamal's last name, and they were both from East New
York and boy were they so happy.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
They were like New York man, this is Do you
know that's probably one of the most prolific features in
hip hop?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's real? Real?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Did you know that?

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, that's real, that's real.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, man, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro, like
you like that was that was a mark? So let's
talk about because after that, everyone that's all the rumors
was you gotta get a Z is.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
The next guy? Now?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is that pressure on you or you expected that because
I know you said you wasn't really rapping, But do
you expect all these people to come at you after this?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Everybody coming at you quick.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Pressure to an extent because you want to You want
to make all the right moves right. You hear the
stories of you know, even now telling me a situations
where he was signed. You know, you know what I
mean already, and then you hit through being in you
know life. You hear artists and they come and go.
You want to kind of make the right decisions. But
the pressure probably came where I have to do album

(09:50):
now I got I only got a few verses. I
gotta write twelve songs, three versus per song.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Little pressure right there for me, right and being branded
on the game. So I just had to do it.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Picked the right producers, right because here I am trying
to follow up with whatever already came out the gate,
which was Illmatic. I got to follow up with that.
Then you heard all the other artists for my era
coming out, So you know what I mean, a little pressure,
little pressure, but I'm away from where I was right
from somewhere else. Now, I'm good, cool, I take that

(10:26):
pressure now?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Was it? Was it?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Because because remember I felt like everything was going through
like Sony at that time, like Stout was pushing like
everyone kind of like I believe the firm and then
but then the firm winded up in the scope.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So was it like was it different?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying my album because
that that firm came two years after, two years after,
so we went from my album and went from from
you know, being on Illmatic to my album to Nods.
It was written to the firm right, So that was
the whole stout came in, came in. It was game
Man after the fag, yeah after So so let's.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Talk about the firm. How did you? How did what
was this idea.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
That that was on my album More Money, More Motile
the Firm?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Rid you want me?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
He was talking about it. You know, we're seeing everybody.
You know, We're seeing you know what the woo doing.
We're hearing what you know, thesion.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, we're hearing things.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
So we want to put our ship together, you know
what I mean. I knew Fox. One of one of
the homies introduced me to Fox, but I've.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Been to her brothers.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I lived around the corner like a year before I
moved to the East. I lived around the corner from Fox.
I knew Gavin, you know what I mean. So met
Fox whatever through the Hombies introduced Hard and Nas you
know what I mean, And I was like, all right,
let's do this. You know, I mean, she was heating
up on her own, so everything was like divine intervention.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
To be honest, this is at the time where Big
had Little Kim a radio or not yet.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
All this is yo, this ship is this ship is
all TRANSI like this is like, ain't no time to think,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Now my most be fox.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
You working to cool your binger students' doing. She's not
defy ho she she's cool. It's starts, it's just moving
like that. So yeah, she she she she's n cann all.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is it true? You Jay and Biggie went to school together?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
No, me and me and me and Jay went to
school together first with I and my They closed that
down because that was there was like, uh the lean
on music, it was off the hook put it like that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Then I think he went to Westernhouse.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I'm at Big.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
But you and Jay was in school together. Yeah, facts,
so jay Z Brooklyn schools Manz was in What kind
of school was this high school? This is it was?

Speaker 3 (12:43):
It was hot.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
He was there.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
He was there definitely before me because one of the
homies introduced me to him. He's like, oo, this cad
get busy world up, you know what I mean? Like okay,
and then you know ce j here and that when
he come to school, we've been in lunch from fucking around,
you know what I mean? Did you have a battle
of the battle we rapped?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
No battle. Jay probably was the same as he is
now he was then you know what I mean, it's
not like you ain't get the better one or that
you under saying. He was fucking with jazz, that was
that was nice, speed rapping, was traveling.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
They was to well, I guess probably right at that
time because I'm ninth grade, you know, but he was
more in the mix of me.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Put it like that, so he don't have the better up.
How about Buster Mims. You went to the school Buster
that's that's that's big and bust and all of them.
What's that one?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, I don't know what that w big, Buster and Biggie.
I'm nice and one of them a western house, one
of one of it's a smart schools too, a smart
school A smart I was going to six hundred school.
I wasn't allowed. So so what you like better writing
the music or performing the music? I like writing first.

(13:58):
Performing I love now you know mean, but right? And
then you know it's therapeutic. Maybe put your put your
thoughts on on paper. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
So let's take it back to the first album. You
got to pick this first single, but you want l
e s is in the studio? How does this record
come about?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
And then in the world, I want to put that
record out, not that record, not everybody's pushing. Yeah, I
don't want to put that record outwits my over.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
That speak about drink up. I'm ready to give my drinks.
You're good.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
You want some shap Parkad, give us some shap pargainne man,
your own body, your own bottle.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know what I'm saying. Because we celebrating you today.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
What was the question I was saying you before that
this single, get back to that, but show it's about
giving people they flowers, man, you know what I mean.
So we want to give you your flowers off top brother,
fake the face, man and man, tell you how great.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
You are saying Snoop said, it's like a gravy. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
So yes, yes, yeah, yes, Holy moly, there'll be some
ship and.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I wanted to bring you some flowers too, but somebody
did that. It's about you, my brother.

Speaker 9 (15:15):
Good.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
So I'm all right, because damn, I would have never
thought that to me as outside of looking at that's
probably the inside of that is looking out. But when
I'm looking at what y'all doing from Ellmatic to your album.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
This looks like it's perfect to me, So sugar Hill perfect,
You know, it didn't because we street motherfuckers and we
thinking about rapping.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm not thinking about the business of it. Yo. Man,
you got record.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
You put the B side for the street niggas and
then put the single because it was.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
The B side money it was rather unique, Okay, so
put that out.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
So it was so me, I'm happy with that. I'm
happy with just I want to I want to develop
my staff. I want to speak to my people's management, like, oh,
come on, bro, we got it. We got mixed myths. Man,
you know what I mean. You see what's going on
out there, you know, big at the juicy and things
of that nature.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And it's a differentiation of.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
You know, you speak to the cats, you speak to
the women and women by vackings. So it's a whole
new knowledge coming in there, Like Okay, it ain't just
battling and rapping and trying to show them the livest
women want to get down. Okay, yeah, let's play, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So, sugar Hell, you didn't like this.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I didn't like it? Why? I just told you it
was a dance record commercial. But but what was told
to me which made it fly, like spit some real
ship on its it's all beers, the ladies could dance.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You spit the real ship. The nigga's gonna like it.
You're good. So that concept got me, like, you know it,
mind fucked me, but it worked.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Recordbody was coming through busting their guns on it for
T shirt.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't want to get all suited and boo at
that time. I didn't, but it was being ahead of
the game right in reality because it was like, all right,
I got.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I got a big budget, got a lot of big.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Budget, big budget, a big budget. Your fake look on
you said that big budget we got. We gotta recoup
right because now it's the business. So I mean, they
got me good in that zone to really uh write
it how I wrote it and delivered it and and
it worked right.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Now, you learning the business?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Was that a shock to you because you know, most
of the time, most of us will probably do this
because I'm good for fun. But then you got to
realize you got to feed the feed your family. And
when was the time that you realized that this was
a business.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
When I got that check first check, I said, oh,
Ship is real. First check made it real?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
The check and what happened? Would you would you? Would you?
It was the first second from though from from im I.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Remember, prior to me signing, I went on the tour
with nas right for the Automatic tour and Ship.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I was happy just going for the education right learning.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I ain't in the hood, fucking I'm fucking I mean,
I'm in Queen's now, I'm fucking with that zone.

Speaker 10 (18:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So when we finished the tour, you know, I was
with all everybody coming to the table. I decided to
go to Imari. They gave him my check. But then
you know, now it's called like, yo, man, yo, they's
coming on the tour. I'm like, all right, cool, I
got a little money for I was like, all right, cool,
und or whatever. I hear an't know I signed. I
was gonna tell him, but he beat me to the points.
I was like, I got a little four five dollars
for four five hundred.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I was like, oh, okay, cool, that's cool man better no,
I don't care. So he started laughing, like yo, you
crazy me. I got about ten fifteen you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
But cool, And like I said, the whole thing was
like a blessing and a lesson at the same time.
You know what I mean, Right, Okay, I've been wanting
to ask you this question forever, Right, okay, you said
on the phone tap because I felt like there was
racist towards Latinos.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then I realized you you're Dominicans, so it can't be.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Racist because you're gonna start wrapping your Dominican.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Side to We're gonna get the record.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
But I always thought this lie because you said I
caught him sleeping.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
The Spanish Harlem Puerto Ricans court, sleeping from the Puerto
Ricans Spanish Harlem. But then you said that deacon off.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
The deggon Spanish Harlem and the deacon not that close,
who's doing all of that?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Start doing that? You can get this beast home the fact.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
That's god.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Mm hmm. That's a classic record. Phone Tapa in the studio,
your phone was tapped. He was like, let's just make
a noise.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
About it now.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
We always were always just be in that zone, like
I guess threw our lyrics, well my lyrics, I can say,
I just try to throw a jewel in there too,
for I know, I know the hood listening, so like
we always on our phones. So just just be mindful,
right because we all take ship for granted. And every
time I write it was just life a bitch. I
would trying to throw I speak that street ship, but

(20:37):
I thowt jeweling. So phone tap, it was just that zone.
When d throw that beat on it, it just came
to life. And you know, now it came up with
the hook. The concept was more or less mine's right.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like say that to a phone sound talking on the phone.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
But we always throw ideas back and forth in the studio,
you know what I mean. So it came out good
everything come on, good me him touched. It had come
out good old time all the time.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
When you look at the Firm album, when you look
at you know, this was a collective force of individuals
that came together.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Do you did you understand what I was doing back then? No,
I was trying and we were trying to.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
That was that was that was a power move right there,
right because it was just an idea of trying to
make it happen. So with Dray being involved, you know,
track mess was hot as hell. Uh and and and
we had now on the album to it was crazy
yeah yeah Half yeah brother.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
But so the thought was, okay, cool menas Fox cool right.
I wanted to Half.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'm bringing Half to the table right because he was
just he was just lyrically mackling son.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I was like, okay, well, I'm being Mega. Mega just
came home.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
At the time. I'm trusting, you know, no judgment, which
is cool, you know what I mean? So we that's
the force to me? Is it actually really? Because I
think I think Half came after the fact, so me
nas Mega. And then somewhere along the line, you know,
the lines got blurred. It becomes I think it's business. Right,

(22:20):
It's not a it's not a talent thing. It becomes
a business thing.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
This person signing, this management, this person is regularly these
people are in control of certain things. And and that's
why there's no firm too.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
I mean, you seem like you cooler than the whistle man,
like well, like you seem like the other side of
the pillow.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But we all noticed this famous thing that happened, right.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I was actually in the studio when I don't know
what happened with with the Mega side, but I was
dead when nature actually did the freestyle and no one
asked him to do that. But you how did you feel,
because like because on one hand, you use guys working.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
For cor Mega and it was like it was like
they switched it and now you've got to work with Nature.
Did you have a relationship with nature? How did that?

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I met Mega first, you know what I mean? Me
and Me and Mega bond official, you know what I mean.
I met Nature after the fact, but I knew it
was it was it was a business move, right, but
it was out of my control to an extent. I
really couldn't right, right, it was like I had the
power to really I could. I gave my say so
to an extent, like what's going on? You know now

(23:33):
I know that you know he signed over here, he
signed over here, he don't want to sign gonna do that.
So it was that type of ship, right that I
think always take place when it when with a lot
of people involved. You know, I'm neutral with everything, right,
that's just me, right, But that was what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Like that's and that's some queen ship. That's that's some
freend ship.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I get it right, they're fuck around, fight, get back together.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's some real So.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
The guys finally formed this group. Right, you go to
l A right, doctor Dre is involved, because was it
signed that doctor Dre or or it was a collective?
I think it was yeah, yeah, after mad fact.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So you're getting the studio with doctor Dre.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Right, what is that like, that's a beautiful thing, that's right, right,
But it's on the heels of him believing death roll.
So it's still like there's a lot of ship going
on the time, and it was there. It's a lot
of energy, right, energy was everything? Right now the energy
is it's subtle, but back then the energy was very serious.
But it was good to fuck with Dre from his

(24:45):
discography and the ship he put in it and then
him and now was making that acquaintance. Let's get busy, right,
that's my mom said, whatever, let's get busy, Like i
can't think too much about lots going on. I'm trying
to hit the target all the time.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's a if you to do a firm part too, right, now,
who would you pick? What the fuck that means? We
mean the four members, all five or six members? Are
you trying to say pick anybody?

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Let let's spose let's spose everyone came and said, your a.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
We want to do the firm. You're the closest to
the to the streets. You you have the mind.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
We want you to lead this four hat Who's the
people you would pick if it's your choice? Same before?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Which one? Because two different firms?

Speaker 10 (25:31):
Now?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Everybody, Yo, listen, man, listen, man, let me play.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, I don't got to right pick a size.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm the type that I let it pick itself, that
type of person. I'm bringing it back to the table.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Listening. We got some paper on the table.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
What's going on, what we're doing, what we're eagle getting
away or or we can't do nothing? That's them that
X they cell FU. But I don't bring aboy to
the table.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I said they can't. He said that you can't do it.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I said he could pick any group, sir' seem that
you want to and yeah, sometimes let problems solve theyself, right,
Because I don't really I know that I know.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
The surface of the I know. I don't know the in.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Depth because it would be more ship.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I don't know. I'm people one.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I know like everybody good. Now I'm there's you know
what I'm saying but I don't know. I didn't know
the in depth.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm sure probably was deeper than yo, I'm signed over here.
I won't sign these papers. But then they probably got
message somewhere that I don't know because I wasn't in
the I was in the bridge.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I wasn't there. They were seeing each other on their
own time, you know what I mean. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Really, but as men, you know, they they straightened it out,
like you said, like we're all grown now, you know
what I mean. Like, I'm sure a lot of people
got ill the stories. That story was light work.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, everybody got the paper, got some shine.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
They couldn't figure it out. They went their way. Everybody
did they ding.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
You know, SI get deep and other other cruise a
lot of deep, you know what I'm saying. So cool
with it.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Now we've seen the picture of you right posted or
Foxy Brown daughter, Oh my bad? Oh yes, yes, yes,
I went to check up on fox. I try to
I try to dialogue. Well right, I'm gonna keep it
one hundred. I don't speak the nature right at all,
no no contact.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I see him here and there.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I dialogue right, I speak the Mega periodically. I speak
the Fox periodically. I speak the nods periodically, right, so
you know, this is fifty years of hip hop.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm a Fox, get us shine, you know what.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
You know our applaud nods for bringing me out at
the garden. That was a great thing, you know what
I mean. But she being a part of the culture
in the era, I want, you know, we check up
on her. I want to check up on her. She
wasn't there, but you know, lose baby, she was there.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
And this is like I saw.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I went to visit Fox when she first had her
in the hospital, but this is the second time, my son,
she's now.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I was like Ship and she looks just like you
know what I mean. I was like, call Red Fox.
That's crazy. That's what they do. They call her Red Fox.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Wow, that's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Because you didn't get to see Fox.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I didn't get to see her. I spoke to her
after the fact, right, I don't know, she's running around
or whatever, telling her like, come on, man, come get
this money, get your shine back.

Speaker 2 (28:27):

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I got some cigars for you, brother, Yeah, get you
get your shining back.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And I appreciate it. You know what I mean. Oh,
I got blunts in here and anything. This is, this
is this is okay just ca yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, just in case you show me, you show you
know what I'm saying. You know me, it's my personal stash. Man.
I want you to feel good because you know why,
you're a legend.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Man.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
You deserve your flowers, you deserve your respect, you deserve
your love.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
You're a pillow.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
This hip hop ship and your fans is relentless.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I don't know. Yeah, I had to come here, yeah, relentless.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like there's people telling me I told you, motherfucker. I
was like, looking like, it's like I told you mother,
and then they be blaming us for having other people
when it's not you.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm like, y'all keeping it all? Is that something? That
that that?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Because you know, we're all into the game. I really
into the game when I was like eighteen nineteen.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And I have some fans who actually grew up with me,
who's actually old motherfuckers, right, and they're like they they
went with me through all my little ship. It's differently,
is there fans that went with you through this whole journey?

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yah yeah, hell yeah yeah fans that that dugged it out, man,
even when I like fell back for a minute trying
to figure it out. You know, the game was just
changing so fast and no sonically and you know, from
CDs to digital, just so much shit going on.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Like I'm trying to staying, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Without without playing my off getting caught up in no
sucking shit right, because it can happen, right, you know
what I mean, when you're trying to do You can
try to do something, but you lose points trying to
get points, right, So I got to sit and cut
like this and until I could strike. So fans they
bought because they're still showing love, right, Like, look, how
many years later, I'm still I'm putting albums out and

(30:19):
getting love like she is incredible, man, incredible.

Speaker 10 (30:22):
Now.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
One of the very first questions people saying is when
the fuck is a Z and I was gonna do
a double U.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I want everybody know, you know that man got all
the power in the world. Man, I want to ask
that man. I'm right here. I'm so ja war at
old times. He got all the power in the world.
That's my brother, though, you know whatever it is, he listened,
he opened the door for me, So it can never
I could never go left right, and.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And you know, you know, like like you right, we
were in the games.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Everybody got lanes to take, you know what I mean,
So everybody take their lanes. And he got things he
need to accomplish. He has visions that he needs to accomplish,
and that's what he do.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
And me, I get my ship.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
You don't mean no point.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So yeah, but you kind of got an album together.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
If you put on the features I got, you do that, yeah,
I mean, I mean if you was put that together,
make a compilation, what would you call that? I couldn't
even I got that that. I gotta sit back on
that one.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's some deadly You can't just want you to call that.
That's some deadly ship. Right there? Come on, you ain't
gonna get drunk. You can still be on point.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
But we need something new from that. It couldn't be
a I mean, complation older. It gotta be something brand new.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah of course.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
But I'm just saying for people that don't know, like
they like they got those many records together, she can
be called an album.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
But if you was to be able to get in
and record an album, who producers you would pick.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Wow, that's Fly, that's Fly. That's a good one. That's
a good one. I'll try to bring the heavy hitters
and bring a primo doctor Dre.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Man. I can hear you guys in Justice League production.
That's this league, man.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I still get some from Kanye. Yeah, busy with the music.
Leave the door open for what else? Yeah, that'd be crazy. Yeah, yeah,
that'd be crazy.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
L E.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
S L L definitely you know L been damn l
L being around from day one. Man L brought a
lot of classics to the table. Man shout out to L. E.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
S Man rolled up. Yeah, God damn it. Let's let's
what other producers you think?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
You said Primo, right, we said Pete Rock.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, period, y'all bunk always the album?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, tip tip, tip, your tip, tip definitely tip.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Who's your favorite goal to producer? For you? For yourself?

Speaker 11 (32:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Try to try to fuck with those I like, I mean,
everybody deal with I. I like that been on my albums.
That's that I still funk with right now. This album,
the Truth Be Told album, Buck did the whole album
Buck Wow. Wow, Yeah, he's the whole album. But like
you said, always got Pete. They always always got you know,
Primo dr period they always did. You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (33:21):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (33:22):
This this trend with every people doing the whole albums?
Is that something that is more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Working with I've noticed that that it is right, But
it's been going on for time, like track masters, this
piece of album albums, whole album. Yeah, Primo did all
Google album like it's been going on, Doctor Drake did all.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Definitely like it been going on. But it's more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
You ain't gonna go shot for beats and all that ship,
you know what I mean? Like, and then you can
just get a whole bunch and figured out.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's a cohesive sound easier to make a cohesive And
then so so how do you how do y'all do this?
Y'all go away or y'all just lock in together.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
We went away for the Firm album with me and Bucknah.
I just I'm in the zone. Now, I'm in the zone.
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So he just sending you the records records.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Money yeah all right?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Cool? You ready for quick Time on line?

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah already?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, come on, you gotta Harry then up, mother Jesus man, Jesus,
I can bring it soon. Yeah, oh yeah, we bring
them quick times line too. Yeah, all right, so let's
talk about that. We talked about sugarhir already.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Ah talk about more money, more murder, more money. That's
a classic too. Yeah that record was that was that?
That's Iley Brothers sample.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I think really yeah, that was the Mafia sample. I
don't know it was, honestly, but that's just like, yeah,
John Gotti gave you he was was in his zone
with that.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
We was fresh, right, there was and it was not
still on the bridge. I don't know, we was fresh
at that time. That's That's one of the classes off
my album I Love.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
How did that record come about? The all bought the
beat to the table and I think Nads had the
hook of it.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
He said the hook and I reminded him about the hook,
and then we just went crazy on that one. It
was just it was that's a lot. I thought Spirits
was in the room with us. It was nice, nice,
nice song. Okay, I'm bouncing around a little bit, right, Okay,
we look at this Jay z uh Dad President's video.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Right, we see you see Big, you see Emery, we
see bigs. We see Dame dash Uh, it's real money.
It looks like it's real money. You guys are shaking.
I remember you had the toothpick and right right right,
right right right, you shaking a lot of people say,

(35:44):
and I know you can answer this whichever way. A
lot of people say, that's where like the turmoil started
with Jay and now video Nads was supposed to attend
that very scene.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I would not know that right.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
All I know is I knew.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Me and I came through it right. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know how the business was, but I was
being on the hook at that I don't know day
relationship at the time, which I don't think was a relationship.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
He just I guess he heard it like that. I don't.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I can speak for him, but he just got a call.
I don't think Maybe it did. Maybe I don't know. Honestly,
keep you one hundred.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I don't know, should be fine out Let me know,
Let me let me know, because I don't.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
We know a lot of shit.

Speaker 10 (36:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I ain't about him.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I don't believe invest my mind a lot of this ship.
It's a business, but both against some paper. But I
guess we was all young, a lot of a lot
of ego, a lot of personal ship, a lot of
you know what I mean. Niggas have a dick measuring content.
I don't know, but it was about paper for me.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
For day one. When I got that check, I was like,
you got to be in the streets.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Let's go right, And it's like jumping out the frying
pan into the fucking fire because it was. It get
a little worse right because the same shit kind of exist,
but it's a lot of more talking and it's like,
what like our face, it's just crazy to me, Like
I just can't understand it. But then I understand the
competitiveness of hip hop, which always been And we got

(37:13):
it from you know, Coolmo D, Busy B.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
We got it from you know, L and Ice T.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
We got it from you know what I'm saying the
time going with all the beefs with you know, shaying
and the krs. So it's the nature of it, you
know what I'm saying. But then they were rapping for real.
But then when we brought the street element to it,
the ship just went cool cool man, it just went
coogle and we sucked it up and we.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Fucked this ship up.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
It up.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
For me, looking at that video, it's seemed.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
It's gonna sound crazy about the dead president.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
President.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Shoot, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say something that's gonna
sound crazy, but it's not really that. I don't think
Naves would even fit in that scene had if that was.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
The case, because we're all Brooklyn people there.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I felt like, yeah, Brooklyn niggas, Yeah, by yourself.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
If it would have been live, doctor been on a
queenz niggative. Okay, you get it, because that's how I
felt going quitions. But I'm the only Brooklyn nigga there.
You're fucking christ looked at it like that. But you know,
I said, but it would have been fly. It would
have been fly because it would have been fly, right
because every time you hear about the top.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Ten three names come up, it would have been that's monumental, right.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Right right right?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Hey, your name come up during the top five too, motherfucker.
You ain't gonna let you be home like that.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You do that, ain't gonna let you say that.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I mean, I mean to be honest with you, I really,
really I want you to understand your fan base, like
you know what I'm saying, like that's what we do,
like when we said our name, like you know, in
the week off and then I could I can understand,
like like like Wayne has the nicest fans in the world.
Like when I say something about Wayne, his fans like,

(39:05):
can you let us drop it on Friday?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Like respectful nods? That's real? So you dropped?

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Ready?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Huh? Quick time is ready? Okay? Cool? You want to
explain him the rules and we're gonna bring you up.
We're taking shots, were taking shots, so yeah, you gotta
set up.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I feel like this is very racist. You bring the
Puerto Rican in to drink the shots? Are your wor
we can do up. Yes, he's cute, l A.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
We got that.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
DJ you smoke, you smoke, you don't smoke. We damn
all right, we had that gumbo for y'all.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I guess I got this.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Wait a minute, a second, because we got your flop.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
You got your floper to.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yes, man, he's to sell a lot of cocaine uptown.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Classic. He said he's mad at.

Speaker 9 (40:32):
All.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Got me, Sonny got got Okay right now, it is
a quick time of slim since I started.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Okay, so this is quick time of slot We're gonna
give you two asses, right, two choices, two choice choices,
you pick. You picked one, We don't drink. You picked both.
We all drink.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
You picked both, politically correct. Let me still take a shot.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
We drink with you, so you don't have to take
a shot, because the beautiful seemed like you. You're a
shot god, but you take SIPs off champagne.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
But we're gonna have be a designated drink. Any is
the same thing. We have a shot, a designated drinker,
you know what I mean. Gotta go with a doubt.
We repping Dominicans. We got Mama Horner right here. If
you want something, I don't want that laid off.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
We giving you your flowers, give you your praises. Okay,
first first, but we don't write these questions. This is
the Colombian and Dominican over there that white questions. They
analyze you when then they yes, this is just a fact. Okay,
you ready for the first shoot? Oh jam you got

(41:42):
the shots ready though? Because I feel like he's going
to answer this predominantly.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
You drink to everybody drinking, got the first one? Yes?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Nos a jay z, Yes, that's it. Nasa jay Z're
not doing to pick one, please, I'm picking one for
what what? I'm picking whatever you want wanted them to say?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Who's all?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
It's whatever the criteria in your mind, best them, see,
best friend, best dressed, whatever the fun is.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
In your mind.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
It could be both, it could be neither. It could
be one of them, and you can tell us the
story to go with it too.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I'll funk with both, right, I'm gonna tell you why
you Okay, you know I love Nah. It's my brother
and I love Jay because that's my brother too. Of
what he did for the game, he took him the heights.
That right, we all dream, you know what I mean.
So I'm blocking them both. Okay, that's a shot.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
That's a shot. That's a shot. If it's both neither,
I feel like it's gonna be a lot of both.
He is too smooth, like I think he could be.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
He's definitely he definitely could be city councilor ready of
d m X. I'm gonna go with part because Park
put a lot of work in You got any stories
of Park or I don't have. I met Park one time.
The crazy thing is I met pock at I think

(43:12):
it was a Jay release party. That's some crazy ship.
I hed our release party. It was one of the
clubs and it wasn't. It wasn't Pladi Damn. I'm mad
because but there.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
No, it was.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
It was a vaka fella And as I released, I
came there and then part came Wong through the door,
his motherfuckerself and like, what, what's what's up? So yeah,
so but I fuck with Park because he's got so
much work about. I fun with ask two though, you
know you hit me with hard ship, So you're saying both,

(43:46):
He said, Park had one.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
This is I knew these evil motherfucker's gonna do this. Motherfucker.
This is not me Mega or Nature.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I'm going I'm going with Mega, Okay, Mega, don Mega
Dawn all right, Biggie or big L.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
B I G.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I love L. I love L too, but b I
G put that work in, you know what I mean?
God half a mill or big pun? Oh dirty man,
dirty yah yah, dirty man.

Speaker 12 (44:22):
I'm going yeah, I'm going with both, with both, man,
drink drink there's another dirty one.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Oh d b r buz wow, y'all dirty again, man,
I'm going with both.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I can't even both.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I'm gonna taking it God damn early they know what
they're doing. You're gonna be drunk.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
This is my favorite question, by the way, one of
my favorites n w a o Wu tang Wo.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
He was a y'all dirty. I don't want to get drunk.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
It's not about see what it is is you're talking
about just picking sip. You're talking about what the culture, right,
I'm thinking worldwide. Both of them did the culture both.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And he got the shirt on.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
You can't tell me nothing what's going on? But I
fuck with both. I got both because the Woo no
just selling. That's what I'm saying. Fuck that both, all right,
solo solid.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
You ain't wrong for the.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I always think that is the beston. You should say both.
I always think that that's.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Me red Man or styles P. That's a nice one, man,
that's a nice one. Damn I got you some motherfuckers.

Speaker 10 (45:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Just think about it. Think about it a little bit.
That's that's all on.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Again both, okay, y'all, I keep it. Love my comrades, man,
Fuck it.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I think A Z is a blue Switzerland. He is
taking over. He is politically correct, all right. What they
said on your Twitter though, they was like yo, he
don't let him smooth talk you. Somebody said that on
you and guess what it's happening? Alright, d J clewor
do wop you said that rare ghosts.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
What are you'all doing? Man?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Like this is crazy drinking on you? She already know.
Look you know already around both brothers. Man, brother you
want to take over you you you in the hot.
You gotta do the water though, Jamie, you can't water.

(46:58):
You said boat five times? Oh ship damn you get
your get your ther d j R Down. How many
want to more? A couple of more people? Man, yeah,

(47:22):
care us one O rock him.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Yeo.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
They know what they're doing. Man that I'm not from
the Bronx, A love of brons My not form the Bronx.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Leading you.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I'm going, okay, I'm going, I'm going about that's all.
Just one is. Yeah, you want to ask amadic or
ready to die?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Oh dirty.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
For you? You could have been like I'm on hmatic.
So I'm gonna just say amadic. I know that I
know I can't make listen.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
It's something born in Brooklyn. People that don't get Brooklyn.
We've been studying this, I mean, had we had this
ran Western.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I already took mine, my bad spial and we noticed
bid can against Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
They cannot. It's something in their system. It's the yall
when y'all was born with Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
They'll kill each other, but they won't go against each
other against any other.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Barrel right, Relax down me and I'm with you. I
hadji rap or scarface is nice. I'm going wrapped though.
This is a good one. M O P or mom deep.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's a good one. That's a good one. It's a
good one. It's a good one.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
That's a good one. Will m O P m O P,
will m O.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I'm gonna go in brand Nubian or poor Righty's teachers.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Brand new Bens one for all.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Off one, I said the bees he even though like
my name is David Rufford, we toober in seas just
like an.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Ingus muffin man him. He just jokes out at me.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (49:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I think I should say poor. Here's more Brooklyn smoother
hustler sauce money.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Go smooth. I know, smooth, but fuck with smooth sauce
of fuck with you. But I'm gonna go smooth Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Gumbo or Branson. What the fuck is gumbo? You canna
find out? Don't go right now. I'm fucking that's my dude,
Brands and the Prince of Gumbo. He smoked. He said,
you don't smoke. Damn that that's why you gotta know.
We gotta here smoke the dead said this broke today.

(50:01):
Would you be an honorary smoke cutter.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
He's here like.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Hour the fourth hour hour. All right, you know what
a lot of happened in the I respect that.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Okay, push your tear, kiss kiss smoother, hustler, or say.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That we did that. We did that? Sorry, yes he
picked Okay, Yeah, queenland Tea for empty light.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Wow, fucking wild both.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I know, but.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I know them, both, them both.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
And remember any stories. Please.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
We say these names to bring a light before light
got on. One of my peoples knew her. Oh I
think she had one song I see from Brooklyn. Uh
and my people was introduced back. Actually she wasn't even
on she even had a record on buck and get
on em Light.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I knew her. Uh my homie was I guess he was.
Was she gonna sign him?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I don't know what it was she was gonna sign
them or or there was there was I don't know
what was going on.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
But he rapped, she raps. I met her, I brought
her to the East.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
My man had They was just DJ ship, get me
DJ outside.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
She rapped and it's like, Yo, we're.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Gonna gonna politics a and and like light People's Man
and then Queen Lost. She always first album, she'll come
to the studio and just chill, you know what I mean.
She knew my manager. She always showed love when she
sees me, like, yeah, they show love.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
They from that era, you know what I mean. Podcaster Radio,
I don't know about this podcast. I'm trying to figure
it out. I'm trying it out. Yeah, no I'm not.
I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna go. I'm going with the
radio right now. I don't know too much about the podcast.
That's We Don't Mess.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yankees.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
That's too Yeah. Ice Cube or ice Tea? Which ice
will it be? Oh?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
And fun with ice Tea smoke that's my dude, you know,
he my dude, ice Cube put he kicked the doors
down though. He I want to see Ice Cube at
the Apollo ninety three.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
He was at that show. I was there.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I was there, changed my life with tennis balls, changed
my life there they're doing money off the balcony, changed
my life. People in the audience was doing the money
of the drug dealers. Yes, and I was there front center.
I was probably like a V seven. I remember that
ship just oh my god. He tore that motherfucker damn
like no other ship.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Both.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I'm like, y'all, damn, what you're gonna have a heart attack?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
We got we got certain Come on yo, how many more? No?

Speaker 6 (52:55):
We got?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
But we're drinking with them? Was this ship bill for this?

Speaker 9 (52:59):
So?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Was New Jack City or King of New York?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
He's they're never fucking easy easy, nigga, what which one?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I want to hear? What you wanna said? King of
New York, that's my ship.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
But New Jack City was crazy, like motherfucker biggie, like baby.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Baby, I'm going King in New York. Okay, I'm saving
Thank you, Pete rock or Riz. Wow, I don't wanna
do this no more.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Almost almost almost Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Pete.
I'm going Pete. I'm gonna Pete l l or Big
Daddy Kinge. And this is clearly light skin against dark skin.
Let's see where you. Let's see because you clearly I'm
gonna with K because that's one of my that's one
of my You have to cut your eyes.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I didn't have it, but I would get it. Is
Gold Premiere or buck Wild thirty may not. I just
did the album buck Wild drinking.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
That's my boy.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Drink up for Premier. I even drink to that. Both
Gang Star or I'm gonna e PM. I love Gang Star,
you know I love y'all.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, yeah, em fishing hats just because they put that
work in and then they they turned up. When I
was you know, I mean trying to figure it out,
they was turning up. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That's real.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yeah, your TV raps or be their music box, be
their music box. Ralph Ralph all days right kick a
pre or right alert.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Damn that's crazy too. I'm going because he just he
he changed the game, did too.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
But you know, okay a finger get that one. He's
more backpack than me. Analog or digital.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Analog like analog.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Most death are coming.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Most death, yeah, the last one based the last one.
Loyalty or respect, wow, both. This is the time where
we say you're supposed to pick both.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Goddamn right. The next game is called quicker Time when
slum that's what's up. Let's tell these people, how did
you get started in this game? Immediately? How do I
get started?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Bro?

Speaker 13 (55:40):
I just I mean, like he said, we you know,
we was both born on the West Coast but raised
in the east, like Bronx, New York, looking at that
ship like right out my window, you know what I mean,
Like and my and my parents like even though they
wasn't like super strict, they kept me on the long
lease so like I could go to the gams and
all that, but yo coming by a certain time, you

(56:03):
know what I mean, Like shit like that said correct,
half Cuban, half Puerto Rican, so.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I was able to like.

Speaker 13 (56:11):
Right, so grand Master Kazd, I mean later on in life,
I understood it. I mean I realized it later on
in life, like Grand Mass Class grandmass Kas live right
up the block, got a rock whipped with from Fantastic five,
lift that way up the block, you know what I mean,
Like you had a lot of those around you right
right around. I went to eighty first, between Valentine and Rya.

(56:34):
That's where they film Wild Style, you know, what I mean,
like all that shit. So I seen that shit right
outside my window. Bro, So everybody on my block trying
to be a DT at nine years old, like I
think it was my tenth birthday or my ninth birthday.
My parents gave me like a whole system, like a
whole two turned tables, I know you would know, slb ones,
a Gemini mixer, Pioneer receiver, some gym sound speakers, like

(56:58):
I had the whole shit, you know, so I was
able to venture out and do what I do, you know,
do what I had to do at the same time,
like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
So you had the spikes nose spikes.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
He wasn't that far back, Spike, I was that far back,
but he was a kid.

Speaker 14 (57:17):
I think I see the spikes from your closet. No, Spike,
don't break dancing.

Speaker 13 (57:29):
Didn't break this and hell come on, but we all
popped locked a little bit, like tried.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
But you know what I mean. So, so where did
you get the inspiration from? Do mixtapes?

Speaker 13 (57:40):
I mean obviously the star child Brucey b k Capri
hockey inspiration late eighties going into the nineties, and and
you know, and I went to school with Capri.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So I seen it, you know firsthand. I skin walls
that one time. So so you know that's how I
went down.

Speaker 13 (58:01):
Yeah yeah, you know to be for you talking about
so we had that and yeah, so I mean, but
you know what, but like Capri like he showed us
like we can you could be a DJ without having
a rapper, like you know what I mean, like right
now DJ for my my nigga A but he know,

(58:22):
I do my thing on my own too, like like
when we was coming up, like that was it right there?
Like being yourself, like doing it yourself, like talking on
the mic. You didn't need an MC with you like
you did it all all on your own and ship.
So that's how it went down. So right now they
call for a Z to do a versus. Yeah, who

(58:47):
do you think a Z versus against? Who's a pastic.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Match and the DJ that you wanted to destroy? Nah? Nah,
I ain't on that. I ain't on that battle show.

Speaker 13 (58:58):
I ain't on that battleship outside battleship all right, that
battleship all right.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
But but but but I had enough.

Speaker 13 (59:05):
I had enough of those bro I had kick a
pre me and Kate Slave went at it. Me and
Clue went at it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You know what I mean. So you're veteran, We didn't
did that. We didn't did that.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Yes, survivors were moss, but but they Swiss calls you
and says we went the perfect match.

Speaker 13 (59:29):
Swiss said it on live. He said he wanted me
a comprie to do it again. But I'm not for
a Z like a rap DJ and you the DJ.
She wouldn't pick a rapper, yes, and a DJ.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I don't know. I think this nigga to goat my nigga.
So I ain't even really absolutely say that. Louder absolutely
as is a motherfucking goat.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
You can know.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Even though he want to fight me in the last
tour we was on, let's talk about it, talk about it,
what happened? What you making before?

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
But you know what, you know what, we've been rocking
like I know you since ninety five. We've been rocking
on tour since twenty eleven. We had two fights, not
even fights, arguments. That shows you his character, bro, because
you know rappers, So what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
What is it because because you're making him perform B
side records or what.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Is it that show.

Speaker 13 (01:00:37):
Just being on tour it's just being on tour too long,
you know what I mean, and getting into that bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Man, But you say, you know since ninety fight was it?
When did he do ninety five?

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
In fact, because he was so he was in and out.

Speaker 13 (01:00:52):
When I did ninety five Live, I had Ray Kwan,
kr Res, Lost Boys, all the niggas like Keith.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Murray, Redman, Yo. This dude, whoever convinced him to come
to do ninety five live. They came in with a
mink coat.

Speaker 13 (01:01:07):
No, he came in and was out twelve bars, not
even sixteen, twelve twelve balls in and out?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
How fast I was in there, in and out?

Speaker 13 (01:01:16):
But you did your motherfucker nah round the corner from
DNDS called Noison AD.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
What you need to do is imagine that there's people listening,
don't even know what we're talking about, don't know what
we're talking about. A mixtape ninety five Lives Everybody did Freestyle.

Speaker 13 (01:01:29):
Ninety five Live is the first mixtape ever that had
known rappers on it, like known popular popping rappers on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
It right at the soul.

Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
So for instance, before ninety five, there was there was mixtapes.
It was just DJ's doing cuts. And Blends and all
that ship. Right, ninety five, I put out a mixtape
that had krs Azy, Lost Boys, Ray Kwan on it.
Nor Ain't coming coming.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
To somebody seven, I'm gonna tell you when Nordy came in.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
But but but you're right, so boom so we had
all these rappers on it, and that was the first
joint that ever had like you know what I mean,
like known rappers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
There was a game change, the mixtape game and in
the hip hop period. Right. But if I say this
sounds crazy, but somebody else got to explain it, like,
but yeah, that shit got pressed. I got the vinyl.
I think the tape masters of the vinyl. Right. But
going back to Nordy.

Speaker 13 (01:02:24):
In ninety seven, I woke up around eleven twelve o'clock
to a fucking voicemail, not even a voicemail. My ask
ma shee it was ninety seven. This nigga said, I
didn't give him my number, so I know I had
my numbers. What it was in March ninety seven? He

(01:02:47):
was like, yo, do what they just rated left?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:02:51):
It took everybody, took like fifty of my niggas. Yo,
let me come to your house and do my verse
right now, I ain't know what he was talking about. Checked,
so I checked the time he left that message, like
five fifteen in the morning. You know that he's been
awake forty two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
He was awake because they raided the projected. He was awake.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
That's read the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It's so right. I want to argue with him, argue
with him. But so that's how early in the morning. Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
But but but this union right here, y'all two together.
It's dope, brother, it is super dope to super legends.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
So what happened?

Speaker 13 (01:03:38):
He?

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
How did you getting it? No? I needed it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I needed a DJ at the time, the one I
was dealing with, you know whatever whatever. So d O
my manager at the time, he was my manager. Then
he's like, yo, fuck with do O, Like do wow?
Do I mixtape? But then he's like, now do this,
do this, that and the third and I was like,
all right, fuck, let me do one of two shows
with them and that's it and then I'll figured out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
But after that show, it was on. After that, where
was the show?

Speaker 10 (01:04:07):
A ship?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
We went overseas the first time?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
The first song first time we went over went over all? Right,
you remember where we RESI. It was twenty thirty right now,
I tell you, right now. We went to Poland, like
tell them about the Poland No, I don't know what
that was. Poland ship, you said, Poland castle, the hotel

(01:04:32):
did you say? Whatever you want? So we went to Poland.

Speaker 13 (01:04:35):
We went to Warsaw, Warsaw, I don't know, Germany, Poland,
Switzerland or like all that ship.

Speaker 15 (01:04:42):
When we when we got the Poland And ship, we
pulled up at the fucking hotel right obviously supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
To be a room for me, in room for him.
They was like, yo, what we don't have a room for.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
You right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
They all booked out. We're gonna put a in here
and we're gonna take you down the block to another joint.
No problem. It was like a castle thover the gate.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
They put me in a castle, man, they put him
in the castle horn the castle by myself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
That's what it did. Long long story show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
I would think it was, I said, horner, because I'm
not on. Even more fucking it ain't. No, there's no made, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
They said there was no on.

Speaker 13 (01:05:20):
They said there was no rooms, but there was nobody
at the desk working, like nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
It was just through this ship, but we didn't. I
didn't know that. I went to my ship. He did
the show.

Speaker 13 (01:05:31):
After the show back then, I don't know what year
it was, but I got an email from a for
after the show. He was like, Yo, fuck that, I
got an extra room on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
My joint this ship. Crazy could be in the house.
I did the same ship. He was like, Yo. So
as I'm reading the email, I get a knock on
the fucking door and it's fucking hey. He was like, Yo,
come with me to my ship. Shit crazy right now?
Can we get over there? It's a whole nother room.
Every room is unoccupied. It was just weird ship a

(01:06:05):
castle as a promoter. What the is going on now?
He was out the next day. Yeah, it was something.

Speaker 13 (01:06:13):
I don't know what it was anyway, that's how far.
But it was like two thousand and thirteen, twenty twelve.
You got that thousand twelve. That's when we saw the rocket.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
They see who got the best ways in the game
is going now? I don't know. I don't know who ship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I think you was to be cheating because you was Dominican.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I know you got you got training this ship no
matter what. I got to train him because when we
first seen you, I ain't gonna lie. Everybody was sea
sick over your ship. Ever, Yeah, coming through that, that
was avera man, that was the average. Take him this
with him, take it this way. I'm gonna take it
back this way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Okay. So how did you keep it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
That's how you keep your shit together? You brought Yeah,
they say a hundred times a day. I didn't count.

Speaker 13 (01:06:59):
You know, count y'all telling my more money, more murder though.
You was like you told about some ship. You told
me about me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I was like, you saw ghost nothing again, you got
do more questions for a while. Yes, so say what
you said he said when they made more money, more murder,
he told me.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
He was like, yo, it was like we on we's
on another vibe, like we've seen ghosts and spirits and shipp.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I said, probably for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
When I do right, I go into my zone and
I you know, for my homies that passed, that's what
comes to my mom and I do shot anything down,
that's that's my energy, my vibe, my vib a' you
pus my vib from then anything I do it it's fun,
you know. I for the homies is not here, you know,
what I mean. And they're my motivation honestly, because let's

(01:07:56):
you know, be clear.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I know we're jumping around, but East New York at
one point was the murder capital of the world, you
know what I mean. So I imagine you grew up
with a lot of people that you not there that
so is that something that like? Because that's crazy like and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
It's you shell shock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Right, it happens at fifteen, you know when the home
mee down live right next door, get his face blowing.
And we're young, we little boy, we're still in junior
high school. Right, you figure out damn tragedy somebody I
didn't a week later, the next home a week later,
the one down the blot and it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
That's how Life's the Bitch came about anyway, you know
what I mean from that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Right, because life's a bitch. And then you're done, you die.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Let's get to it before we before we go home
after mindset, right, get to it. Let's live for the
people that's not here, people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Have never made it. Let's let's enjoy it. You enjoying it,
you know, got to enjoy we God, we got to
I mean, I got a rhyme where I say.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
The teacher said I wasn't good off words, Well, bitch,
I got rich off words.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
We so especial education. Got love for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I mean, but hey, man, I'm gonna be honest with you. Man,
you're one of the You're one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
No, no, no, no, seriously, you're one of those guys
when people speak about hip hops, your name is there. Uh,
you're one of the heavy hitters. You're one of the
people that are the lyrical greats. Yeah, lyrical greats.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
And here's the thing, right, I've been through a lot
of labels, but I never was dropped. That's a big thing, right,
I just was for some reason through the most high
They probably realized they wasn't doing the right thing. And
when I asked for my walk on papers, I got it.
I kept it moving. And you know, I don't I
don't blame no circumstances right on nothing, because I'm still grinding.

(01:09:57):
I'm still here, right and it's a beautiful thing, and
that's my drive. Just stay focused, stay grinded, you know
what I mean. Any blame, I blame myself or anything,
but the Johnny is a beautiful one when traded for
none in the world. So this is a rumor, right,
Foxy Brown coming out with Lola up Brook?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Is this some Brooklyn ship you're coming out too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
It might happen, you know, that'd be a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
We haven't seen far yo. Man, you said you went
to the cribb Still.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
That got weird when he said when that stage, you're
gonna stop the press, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I man, Yeah, I've been waiting to see. Yeah, Fox
come every wanted on drink chair. That would be great.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I'm so much not selfish when it comes to Fox that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I just want to have her the best look possible.
If she got to go on Gail King because I
know I just said Oprah special ship, but we want
the best, man.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
You gotta love for Fox.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yeah, Man, she's she's she got come come on, I
tell her, come on, man, go Fox.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Yeah for this new album to but this new album
once again many buck while he produced the whole joint.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I'm excited because you know me putting door dot too
and got a lot of love, you know what I mean.
So my goals is always trying to top the last
album I did and I think I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You know, different vibes close different. You know what we
do is hip hops. Who's the features on here?

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I got I got found march on one, I got
Fat Joe on the joint.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Let's let's pull up that drop and I got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I got more moved fresh on it female m move fresh,
she gets busy. Yeah, okay, you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Got, you got, you got the I pads? Are we
a little unprofessional age? You know you made us drink?
You know what I mean? Everybody, we always hold on
the start a Fat Joe because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
We we started to a couple of people to make
sure you get some love. You ain't come here in
eight years, so we want to make sure this is
well worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, we can't believe you originated and ship No, not quite.
You said it not. Why we can't We can't take
that on. You can't. I want app in them and
and Combat Jack and iced Tea, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
He was doing internet radio that was like the precursor
of the podcast head short.

Speaker 16 (01:12:37):
Add great, one of the greatest, doing one of the
blue pricks all.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Of US rappers done in his life.

Speaker 16 (01:12:55):
You know, it's a part of that legendary and you
know that's who faded album, never Dave and everything else.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
You get himself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
He see.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
You deserve all your clows, my brother.

Speaker 17 (01:13:11):
Yeah, David bad congratulations, get onto your champs during the
ufing family.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
I love Y'ALLU da better. God appreciate you for still,
But lessons with the hits.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Easy for me, right right?

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
What else?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah, alright, we got more, We got more, We got more.
We're gonna We're gonna there. Okay, come on, excise us
the Conway let's do call. Yes, yeah, Conway salute, Salute salute.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
We're playing right in. Yeah, yeah, I'll get the far
audio treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Yeah, because Rod's computer don't work like that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Mm hm mm hm. That's well that's real.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
You gotta come up more, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yeah, because man, it really it really it really it really,
I really.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Like you know, we waited this long and at the
end of the day, I know that you know, you
know you're busy, We're busy. But the thing about it,
I wanted you to know how much appreciated you are
in this world and this life and this thing that
we do, because in case you didn't know, I wanted

(01:15:27):
to make sure you he rated that because you know
what I mean, like this is just legendary man, like
you did, what you being been a part of and
what you represent represent is absolutely love.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:15:52):
God.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yes, yes, lou k yes uh ting d.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
Yeah yeah yeah that you never do them coming out
with the y'all. Man, I got so much to say
about ez.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Other fucking man we're talking.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Nas license bitch that that verse.

Speaker 10 (01:16:37):
It's just it's just everything, man. You know, I want
to get the acs flowers.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
You know, it's one of those guys, my brothers, guys
that I looked at as.

Speaker 10 (01:16:48):
Definitely inspiration.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
You know, the first time I heard my voice rapping,
I felt.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Like I set my voice side like a that's crazy,
you know.

Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
Shout out to him, man, what you loved him with
the battles, you know, you know you said every every
every good slows everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Well with that doggy diamonds. Okay that that rod. Your
volume is not looking good at all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
You can't hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
We're gonna make it, okay, search search what is sold
me too?

Speaker 10 (01:17:36):
Almost like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Don't know it? Yeah you just said that finished.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
I guess so now.

Speaker 10 (01:17:50):
Except for this, that was just uh see sir by
the fits and that just depends on Saturday talent. He
is say listen to link the movies fo.

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
Paion and I just you know, there's that moment where
you you know, nas special because you've hurted them all
live to walk to people heard him.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
All about it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
Has easy. I was not familiar with at all.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
So when I heard it was heard, I mean I
was blown.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Away because you know, at good time, I always felt
that I knew all that sees.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
I thought I knew everyone that I had never heard
of the thing. But the second I heard him wrong,
I just knew that beside or see with in my
whole life I wanted to work with. Not only did dramatic.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Last success took you like so you know, that's well,
it's culture.

Speaker 10 (01:19:05):
Very happy that you're having a station.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Very happy.

Speaker 10 (01:19:09):
You know, it's a great bread and sits down, Get
drink chance and tell people about.

Speaker 9 (01:19:16):
Who you walk because I don't think you're very had
a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
So that's well, give me a flowers Michael Class.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Indeed, yes, sirree what to do your.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Oh no, no, for you, I really want to do
I really want to because you know you've been trying
to do this for so long, and I really wanted
I just want no miscommunication.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I want all out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
I wanted the people to know that it's not us, never,
it's not just us, it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
World who got love as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
And I wanted to motherfucking capture that man, that's real.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
But by the time the episode come out, I got
a couple more.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Okay, I wanted, you know what I mean, go all
out because you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Really deserve, you know, all the flowers, you really deserve,
the love, you really.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
Deserve all this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
And I know you're a smooth guy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
And probably don't accept that the love that you you
deserve and you get.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
But I don't want to be humble for you. I
want to be talking for you. You know what? That
was classic? That's classic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Holy that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Fat diamonds are here all right now? Now, now this
is one where the'se got diamonds these all right? Hold
on common thing. I want diamonds and snowballs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Oh you got hold on all right? Put it together,
speat it together. Then give me the diamonds and the snowballs. Yeah,
are you ready for quick timmers song?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Guys would be laid out on the floor, all right,
let's talk about give me yours.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I heard give me yours. It was like hearing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Nas mimic almost Teddy picnographs, and I wanted because I
heard give me yours, I bitch your style. So I
asked Nas to run us to sing on music make
these stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Because I heard them on that. So what was this
session like when y'all did give me yours? Me and
Pete vocavit? He did rather unique, So then we wash.
He said he had more. So you know, Nas used
to come to the studio with me. Uh the fact
that you know allmatic diad with the day he was
on tour, I was working on my so he always
came for support. And then Pete put that on and

(01:22:44):
I guess NAS had I guess one of them life
to bitch moment, Like he just started singing that shit
and I was like, yo, what is that? I was like,
and he did that and it felt like like bitch
because I kind of had that same flow on there.
And he did the hook this time, and I went
in and and did the one too. That's a classic too,
or door die.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Yeah, we're gonna stop labeling just summer classic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Most of your ship is classic. That's real, that's real.
Who were your inspirations growing up?

Speaker 10 (01:23:18):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
How did how did you formulate your style?

Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
Had?

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
You know, everybody has different MC the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Facts of course, Rob him was everybody. Well, I guess
those that came out of my error. We all idolized
rock because he came through and he switched the style
up and he bought some smooth. But it was Rob
king g rap.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
You know, slick Rick, kr r Rest, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
To meet them are the greats. That's my soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I think g rap was your favorite though, right? All
three g out the top three.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
G rap Well no, but they all to me, they
all bought something different to the table. You don't mean
I had to know the self.

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
G had the world play, came had that fly ship
to me, you know what I'm saying. And slick Rick
had the storytelling and the Cara re sport, you know
what I mean, that other vibe you know. And even
I throw Ellen Chunky up in there too, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
So yeah, l smooth shit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Frinda got a big old butt. That album was crazy.
Black Fanther was a crazy album. Yeah, in Public Enemy, Yeah, incredible.
Let's talk about God. Some problems. Yeah, yeah, I had
some problems then who bars chick at the bars? But

(01:24:34):
I think I got off the last label that I
was on at that time, because I was on a
couple of labels I was I was on and the
version that I fuck with, Yeah, that's what Janet Jackson
was was doing there right because they that was like
the parent company to em out. So when they folded,
then you know what I mean. Then I went to
yab Young believe it or not, that was with a
lecture for a minute. It was a quick minute. Nobody

(01:24:55):
never knew because it was like, yeah, Young, that was
Tracy Edmonds baby babyface, white baby baby face over there
for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
That folded.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
So then then I was like, all right, what the fuck, man,
I gotta do something. So I put that soul Side
was on that soul Side joint. But then when I
put it out, put that CD out, Motown heard it Motown?
You fuck with Motown for a minute, and was you
like the only rapper on Motown at that time? Ship

(01:25:25):
That's where I fuck up something and I think, but
then I don't bite.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
My thing is like a gamble, like I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Be the nucleus where you know if you're on a label,
I'm the only artist you'll saw all that love, and
then from there I can open up doors for other
artists to come. That's my mindset for with my all
the legals that fuck with. It's kind of where why
do you think about it Motown? But because I know
if it worked there, then that could open the floodgates
for other artists and then they can know that, you know,
the hip hop worked there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
But that's when neo soul hit at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Same time I was fucking Motown, they put out you know,
Ragaba Duo and the other I forgot a name, but
anyway in the dir and I was there and and
it's like, all right, let's give it another shot. And
I did the other album. They had the album and
then that didn't work. So that's when I was like,

(01:26:13):
I keep it moving, Yeah, kept it moving.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
So so to say more or less, I was more
or less like.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
It's like a thinka the streets, but ain't got no family, right,
He's moving around trying to figure it out a pose
with somebody got a mother fuck. Because a lot of
the artists signed one label, they rocked through the contractors up.
If you think about it or to their transition something else.
But it invades them, you know what I mean. So
keep it moving, To keep it moving and keep it

(01:26:41):
going was a great thing for me, right because the
avenue from the man hanging on time for the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Fuck it, you know, do whatever.

Speaker 13 (01:26:47):
But yeah, I kept it going though, But he kept
but he kept the newest car every time he pulls
up to the crib.

Speaker 15 (01:26:53):
Didn't matter, didn't matter the fact you can walk got
clean too, independent or major. He pulled up in the
newest the car from the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Now you got a joint with Ross on his joint
Bocharon like fly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
That was nice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, I mean, yo, it's a beautiful thing. Walls get busy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
It was good man, So how did this happen? I'm
trying to think.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I don't even know either either.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Oh oh well, I actually get on one of my joint,
but the door died too never enough, and then he's like,
you know, and then for that hop on his joint.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
So in fact, Joe also told me he just did
a record with you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah, tell me about that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Beautiful I mean with Joe, I mean jos jose Ah
class Sack himself and he was doing a sneaker thing
and I saw him. He gave me one of the
sneakers they put out. And ironically, a couple of days
after that, he was at the party. You know what
I mean, he said, right, there were robbing Hawks wapping
the album up. I'm like, keep running the joke, my

(01:28:03):
fucking classics, and hits him, Hold, let's do something, you
know what I mean? And Uh, that's the next thing.
We're gonna put that out now, this new album. Yeah,
it's crazy. Truth be told, Truth be told?

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Why'd your name me? Truth be told?

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
It's my truth, right, I'm just speaking my truth on
on these songs. It's a truth in there, you know
what I mean. And one of the songs that really
I took the title phone was called one of the
I'm one of the greats. And when you hear that song,
you'll see why I say truth, because, well, tell us, man,
tell us, not just speak up. I never I never

(01:28:40):
spoke about me transitioning into the hip hop and what
I've been through and where I'm at now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
So that particular song tell you how I got in the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Game before hip hop before, right, Well, it kind of sums.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Up you know it's a three minute song, can't you
know what I mean? Something up from me?

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
How I got on what my mom said was what
I've seen and while I'm here now, So it's a
fly fly song.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
You ever think hip hop get this far?

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
Never?

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Ever? Ever?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
I was mad as hell when you see this fucking
when it was fucking up, I was like, oh many up,
it's gold mine up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
But you know that's what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
And when you took that break, did you ever in
that point of that break say I don't want to
go back to this, back to back, back to the music,
back to the music.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
No, no, never.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
I mean, was it literally that you wanted to sit
back and watch and then pick the right time to
come back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
You can't pick the time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
This ship switching like the sound the sonics changed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Like, I don't want to come back now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
But if South got it, they got the Atlanta got it,
if Midwest got it, you gotta wait.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Well, it's it's not rated on controlling, so sonically.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
That's why I can jump back and I gotta be
like this, I gotta wait to bust my gun, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
That's a lot of us.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Doing it like you gotta wait to Saint the season,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
So yeah, now you monetize your fan base. You don't
have to worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
The radio doing that for you. You can control that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
With technology, you know, media, and what you're doing is
a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Who's somebody you don't want to work with that you
did work with yet?

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I didn't think about that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I woke with a lot of cats.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
But I'm trying to think who.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Well put it like this, who from the older generation
that you haven't worked that you want to and someone
from the nude from now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Like right now, it's pop. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Well, of course I never did that with one of
my idels. Well I did with Givat, but of course
more the idols. I would love to anyone, anyone you
can pick it, do a name and a hat. Now,
you know, I like I like you know j Cole,
little baby, I like you and crazy, you know what
I mean? Yeah, that's it. I mean, I'm sure it's more,
but on the spot, of course. But Jake, I'm talking

(01:31:00):
get my ship right, you know, I really braying. I'm
trying to get get the wind back under my feet.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
The one thing about you and I, particularly if you're
both from the ghetto, you're both from the hood, but
you have no big words.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Jesus Christ, I'm going to like the loss of the realism.
I said, what the fuck went to school nineties A lot.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Of yo hip hop school, Like that's the teacher, right,
the hip hop school that's all man listening and teach
you everything. And you want to know, just listen to
hip hop and they tell you everything everything.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Because when I told people, even some of the mcs
that didn't know what they were saying, they were going
to encyclopedias and say words that rhymes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
The fan was like, I gotta look that word up,
like we were all that way, but just a big word. Yeah,
I'm not you get away from that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
And no.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
So I was like, damn, these niggas went to school
like I likes the bitch. I was like, wait a minute, yeah,
big words.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
When y'all was battling you and your man both, y'all
skipped all the big words. Was like, keeping it real,
petty still for the big words. Yea, he take another, Yo,
you ain't just the second drink? We do? They know

(01:32:38):
they keep feeling up for him. No, he've been drinking
the second one. He's been drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I just wanted to praise you a because you you
you deserve it. Man, do you know how important you
are to hip hop? And I said something like that
because because I'm right here right and everybody can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Beach out, we don't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
I appreciate it though, when you I'm here and people
do that. But you know, people need to beat something often.
That's why I go to the fox. That's why I
beat child. You know what I mean, because we hear now,
I don't want to you don't want to hear that
one after the fact, right, So I appreciate when you
showed me that the shout beautiful or keeps going, that's beautiful,
just keep going. I'm just that's just the videos that

(01:33:15):
that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
That's here now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
But I wanted to show you, tell you and relate
to you how special you are. There's nobody that you know.
Everybody that I hit, they just send the video immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
What the reason why?

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Let's just say that right, because I got the way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
You know, let everybody have their own character visions, do them,
you know what I mean? Nobody hold it and down right,
I just stay out the way and my goal is
just to get to it like I was, and not
capitalize on on getting to it. I wouldn't say the
wrong way, but just you know, I still live about
certain molds and principles and mobiles.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
So I'm out the way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
So anybody hate on me or say anything fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Nobody hate. He said, why you know what man like?
And I respect everybody that that that shouted with them
just as much. Yeah, and you know, the older you
get you more Thanminican. You look Dominican.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
My moms just black because because Sonny Sonny, he said
that the Z is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
So he claiming you as a Haitian. Wow, up, I'm talking.

Speaker 6 (01:34:46):
I used to be instead of.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Z.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
That was a good one. But let's keep it on
the Dominican, right, because so you're dominic. It's a two
part question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Right, Because we found out she's Dominican.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
We love that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Then we always knew he was dominic guests, but then
we also your government name is Anthony Cruz. That's crazy,
A Anthony Z.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
That's crazy. Is that how you came up with That's
that's not how. But it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
That's some crazy. That's Z on cruise as it makes
sense the beginning and end.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Okay, Yeah, so that's not how you came up with
the name.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Now, one of one of the one of the young
guys in Brownsville. He was born to the nation, and
I guess he was going from hoods to hoods you
know everybody in Brooklyn on probably outside of Brooklyn. Now
we talking about when he was young, and he was
he was speaking in that language, you know what I mean,
and and and and it kind of attracted me writing
somebody talking big words like you said. And he was

(01:36:10):
my age, probably years so older. And Me's like, yo, man, world,
you know you're gone, right, this is what are you
talking about? This ain't no mister v God you the
original man asiadic man. So you the asiad actually a
don't begin No. I was like, Yo, that's ship great,
I'm gone gone, I'm gone, just man with it. But

(01:36:30):
but then that makes sense, that makes sense as well.
There wasn't another and yeah, okay style, yes, so I've
had an as a couple of times. But as as
as the game going on, I understand what was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
You know, he was in the game. He uh it
was my mopstyle. I know his name was as I've
been from day one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
So I guess you saw a land of capitalized, which
which was cool right in hindsight, speaks to him a
gangster littill be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
But I would, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
I'm sure I told him I want to be somebody
I wouldn't have been. You don't disrespect because it was
it was thre y'all. You know, I like getting fly
and fucking bitches and things for that nature. I wouldn't
necessarily been him, but I understand what was going on.
You know, I don't disrespect him, but I understood what's
going on at the time. You know what I mean,
I'm green, I'm in the game. Onal what's going on.

(01:37:26):
You know when you when you're coming in the game.
You got the Lions there and they gonna, they're gonna,
they're gonna buy it, right, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
But it's good money.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
We good now, We're good. Everybody good like we're all
were good. Everybody everybody good now, God damn.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
So sorry, Sonny, he's not. I mean, he's Jason Dominican
Republic right there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
It's so about that Affirmative Action session that was crazy.
I talked about the four Devils. I think I was
your five percent ship for real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
I think I was a goal to God for the intro.
That's what I think at the end of the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Day, right, because I was always talking on into about
figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Out you get in here, my mom. Think about it now,
I'm like, I'm talking all these albums or so, who
did that beat? I forgot back?

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Masters? Did that track?

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Us? Did that be? Was it dude GOUDI?

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
You remember.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
It was?

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
I don't know, you know that is consisted of a
slut of people. Yeah, but yeah, they did that and
I guess that probably wasn't Now I'm laughing thinking about
it turned out good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
So how did this where yell acted?

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
We were we were recorded that and Hit Factory or
it wasn't you know?

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
We did the frombum in Miami, Yes here and in
l A too late, the Ladder a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Of law but from the accident was on his album.
Second album was So it was in a Hit factory
and we always had rooms we had we had and
I was always working in one room. I'm working in
one room from a track master and they're working in one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Room and we were just bouncing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
The world people don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
No, but anyway, so we bost the the world don't know,
but yeah, bouncing and then I guess now's in las
It was me, and then it was this god man,
this god nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Anyway, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
I think I did Lady Rose for I laid Miles
verse and then the Mega did his and then oh
my god, foxing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
We're talking affirmative action right that boxing went crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Boxing went crazy. And when people say she don't may
own ship, she wrote that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Over that, No, you know, write that. This is when
I knew I wasn't built for mathematics.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
She went on.

Speaker 18 (01:39:59):
She two quarters of key, swimming away trying. You were like,
what school did she go to? You think everybody went
to a different school. And she did that live in
front of y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know back then we can't send verses, Yeah,
said no, you gotta be in the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Wow. Back then on the versus, everybody was in the studio. Wow.
Changed the motherfucking game. Then you said, she wrote it
completely herself, completely fast. So do you know, Lulu Kim?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Of course, where was you at when you kind of
like see Nate turnmoy with the two Brooklyn girls going
against each other.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Like that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
It's sad because if they got together, it'd have.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Been that would have been the craziest ship, the cover
of the guy. They could have done that and it
could have been a powerhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
It would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
It had been a problem, but it happens. It happens. Yeah,
you like that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
God Gumble was serious, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn man,
Hey man, you're really one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
I really wanted to We all wanted to give you
everybody from Drink Champs. You know what I mean, I
want to give your flowers, man, because.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
From day one, From day one, it's underestimated that how
much we were trying to get you. From the first
year we started Drink Champs. Well we got rumors that
you said, no, I don't really don't want to do
Drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
But I didn't want to do no podcast because it
was like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
It just be too much talking. God's like, yo, you
know you got some people that like to be in
the front and and and they lot of fame, right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I really didn't beat for the fame. I want the money, right,
I do right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
And my thing, my thing is my thing is it's
just like someone can get a lot of notoriety by
being out there. I've learned from the old school, like rodding.
They was more laid back, and it bought more mistique. Yeah,
kind of that mistake is over though, it is over. No, no, no, no,

(01:42:14):
don't don't. It's not complete. I can't jump out the window.
I don't know what he's talking about. I can't jump
out the window. But it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
He's right. It's like a lot of shit is over
in the streets. This is over. But you you don't
have to be all the way out there. It doesn't
it doesn't have to be Oh no, I remember, not
gonna do that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
But what I'm what I'm saying is in this new generation,
like you are absolutely right, like we're not heard of,
n w A.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
I didn't know what Compton was. I didn't even kind
of when I heard the shot in like, I didn't
know cha. Now it took me.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
Yeah, but that's because the information didn't travel that fast
no Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
No, but I would say that, don't don't get in twisted.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
I think that especially for the older generation, still does
it's still being creative.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
You can't try to compete with the young guys that are.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
On social media twenty four to seven, because that's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Not your lane and your fans. Now you understanding your fight,
Your fans are still there. They still there.

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
They just didn't you wasn't putting something now or they
couldn't didn't know where to find you. Now you're finding
your fans again, and they want you to be you.
They don't want you to be this young guy. They
want you to be you, and they and they respect
you for being you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
And if you jump out the window and do some
other ship you might lose even that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Fuck yourself up.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Right, But I mean to me again, being the outside
looking in, I never felt like you stepped outside of
your zone.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
No, no, I didn't, that's what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Yeah, yeah, hasnt been the opportunity whe people approach you
to step outside his own.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
I don't know what that man.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
But like through reality or some shit, yeah, fast love it.
I could not see you on reality.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yeah yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Like fret love head. Yeah, exfinitely I can't do it.
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
So that's why I fall back more because I say
the lot like when I sit back watching it, like
watching the stair because I be I see the besrip
like it's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
You know, we can play that back in the days.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
It's just gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:44:10):
And how far away from the music is that it's
over here? Ain't about music and now the culture and
the music and this is what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Right So now that's why I was like, okay, like
he said, I can't that that it is over to
an extent. So I'm here, you know, I gotta I
gotta make my presence spell to an extent. I'm not
never jumping out the window. That's never happened, right right,
and we respect that seeks the lewis for us.

Speaker 10 (01:44:31):
Oh g.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
O G man, hey man, your class sack brother, thank
you man once again, an old man. I appreciate you
having me on this platform because because you know, like
you said, the world don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
You always over the door for me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
And I was like, no, now now, so you can
be like you know what not now keep the mother
fucking clothes now you no, no, no, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
You know he can. He's a good man now. But
you know it's some left back, you know, y'all. I
appreciate the transition.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Let me just tell you that you are a pillar
in this community. You are a legend, you are icon,
you are one of the people, the reason why all
of us is here. But everyone is excited here, people
who don't come to drink champs. When I said that,
we had as everyone is saying, Yo, man, let's go
give him his flowers the correct way, wrop a way,

(01:45:26):
the right way, because.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
You deserve it. You deserve thank y'all, Thank y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
When you get mad at us and they would be
like you're we would say, nah, it's an open door
for him. Whenever Asy is ready, like we got to respect, like,
whenever he's ready to come on from here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Man, I'm glad I made it. Man, Yes, yes, beautiful thing.
So let's talk about oh on how you living? Oh
l AS classic. I still performed that to this day.
It's crazy secret we put that on. It's crazy yeah,
that's that was the l S classic. That was on

(01:46:07):
the Piece of a Man album. That was us just
on our ship.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
We was it our bag at that time.

Speaker 19 (01:46:14):
We could only play that in certain certain cities and
ship like when we performed every city, no right, like
certain joints we could play that like might like game.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Foul a't like nothing, it's something.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Listen, man joy everybody enjoyed theself.

Speaker 13 (01:46:39):
Okay, No, it's just certain certain certain cities, like when
we was in Richmond, Virginia, you know what I mean,
Like certain cities that follow the mixtapes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
That was a mixtape joint.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
You feel that the states from all receptive or overseas
to to those joints, both.

Speaker 13 (01:46:55):
Both when they come to that both but for certain
songs though, like how you living? We we we know
when to pull that out, Like we know when to
pull that joint out, you know, on the set, put
it on the set.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
How do you know by the by the aesthetic of
the crowd or what's being.

Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
Yeah, as soon as I walk in, and I know,
like because I come out before him, So I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Really know by looking at you play for him? No,
I mean I play a little set right before he
comes home.

Speaker 13 (01:47:24):
Absolutely, So what do you do you like? I do
a little quick mix, like just to fill out play.
I actually played t O N why like damn you
should a little two two three bars go into I
four and nine broken language, Lucini.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Matter what you're doing man, A little broke.

Speaker 13 (01:47:57):
Do that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Go into my right come out.

Speaker 10 (01:48:00):
And just.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
If there's anything you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Could do over nothing, nothing, Every lesson is a blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
I appreciate it. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
I'm in a good space man, and it's really a
mental space and just I'm in a good space.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
I understand it all. I see it for what it's worth,
the good, bad and ugly. Like I get it. I
get it, you know what I mean? And I know
how to move and it's and it's you know, it's
just a great thing. I just want to I can
I bottle it and sell it because you gotta have
a maneuver. You gotta move maneuver a certain way, man,
and you gotta know when when when when the how
they say hold them, when to fold them. Gotta know it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
You gotta feel it, not just a thought. It's it
feels like a vibe. You get it, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Like that vibe saved my life a lot of times.
There's so many ways, like even a vibe on me
when it gave my first contract and like yo, heavy,
it was time to give you this money.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
I'm like, wait what it says one hundreds in publishing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
No, No, I'm not doing that. It's a vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
I don't know what publishing. I was just being asked
sole you just didn't like one hundred percent of anything.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
I don't know I'm publishing. It's a vibe, right, So
it's what's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
A bottle reading the drink Champs contract earlier. It took
like five ten minutes for that ship. I'm like, I'm
your brother, You're good, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Yeah, nonred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Motherfucking this is perportuity that you always know me. Perportunity
that means life, life time.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
You never.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
You still make money off the motherfucker. That's a lot
of questions if we asked, oh geez, it's all the
masters back.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
Not even cent of my master. I'm in the box
of main for the last two. I get them loves
in the and then people be like, what you want
your masters for?

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Just makes sense when your licensing and me doing it,
you know what I mean? When it's just ownership is everything,
you know, it's everything with technology and things changing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
You want to own it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
So yeah, I'm on the last two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
That's two more to go, two more to go, and everything.
Give it to the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Given to the kids. They don't They're gonna suck it
up anywhere we leave it to the kids. Fuck yeah, kid,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
That's the point. They're they're gonna suck it up. That's
that's a luxury, right Yeah, yeah, yeah, Man, this is
been so fucking fucking fantastic. Man, do what Man? How
did did we speak about? How did y'all? Yeah? You
just called me one day, like twenty twelve, you just
called me. He was like, are you ready?

Speaker 13 (01:50:53):
Because I know him since ninety five and ninety five,
I know drunk. He called me, called me, he called
me d O.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
Was a connection, d O Damien. He's a connection.

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
But yeah, that's not underestimate how legendary Duop is. The era,
the era of mixtape DJs that comes from him and
his his caliber of of mixtape DJ and just DJ
in general. Like the era the mixtape DJ was controlling
everything because commercial radio at least across the nation wasn't

(01:51:29):
doing it. Like all the labels had to adhere to
the mixtape DJs and they were given him and me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
I was in Miami doing it, but he was. He
was the one I was looking up to.

Speaker 5 (01:51:41):
They were giving us unprecedented access to artists, to music
because they needed us.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
That was the first bootleggers. No, man, I don't think.
I was like, you know what, but you know what
they're like, like, I'm gonna give you an example.

Speaker 13 (01:51:59):
The album Charis worked for Sony right right, Columbia whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
It was, no hold on, hold on. She would call me.

Speaker 13 (01:52:08):
She called me one day and was like, I'm gonna
give you Street Dreams NASR.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I'm gonna give Flex rule the world because that's the
that's what they were doing. They were doing that ship something.
They're the ones doing the bootlegging. I didn't rely I
didn't rely on that on that. I'm gonna tell you
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
This is why I have offense to the bootlegging team,
because mixtapes is a huge part of the culture, absolutely,
and this is the part where where we're getting all
of us by the industry, the mainstream industry, they don't
give a funk about hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Those A and rs and those.

Speaker 5 (01:52:42):
Marketing come those marketing executives were like, we need these
mixtape guys.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
We're gonna give them these exclusives, these leaks. We're gonna lead.

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
Them, and then they would leak the records to us,
and then we would get ceased and desist and get
sued lawyers trying to funk us up. Same mother label
man out of here with that ship. You know what,
I'm sorry you got those seasons. This is too absolutely
I know you did.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
But that's why I kind of didn't rely on exclusives.
I did that. I had rappers coming to the studio
to do like exclusives for me, and we had all
well the only thing is we were doing it over
other people's beats, so that yeah, but that was later
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
But is this form of true that as from paid
and for whatever sues you or tried to sue you.
He probably did, I don't know. It wasn't me, but
probably record label. I don't know. I'm sure if he did,
an't get much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
I don't know. You're gonna be honest, but he said
that of it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
He tried, He tried.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
They don't have no relationship relationship. I mean he spoke about, Yeah,
I'm seeing them. We dialogue. I mean, sue me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Your mom. I'm sure whatever you got good Man for.
I mean, you know, it's it's a system, you know
what I mean. If you found the loophole and it
enjoy But as I said before, I would never you
said and you said earlier, like you said that that
name wasn't come. It don't even make sense. But if
it's loophole and you see loophole, I can fall in
here like oh I'm yeah a loophole.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
I ain't hurt myself loophole. But it was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
I mean it's oh ship, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
It's like suing the insurance company.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Soe me, you're gonna smoke nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
You don't even I don't even dream like that, but drink.
So you got sam.

Speaker 5 (01:54:45):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
He's a class act. Man, Thank you, man, thank you
for having me.

Speaker 16 (01:54:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Nah, man, you you deserve everything. Man, Yes, we still
got two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
I want to eat.

Speaker 13 (01:55:00):
I'm going, I'm going I'll be watching this on YouTube.
It should be like three hours and thirty four minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Entertaining a half entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
He's like, half good, let's go. No, man's good work.
I understand. We did a good run.

Speaker 6 (01:55:20):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Please want to give you a flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
And I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
Man. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Well, I'm out the albums out right. You said, what
album out?

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Album out now December first, But either way album out,
truth be told, but wild shout out hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
That is finest.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
I feel great, man, I'm in the dug we hit
the album. I'm in my best shape ever. Oh man,
so good man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
So what's next after this? You can tour the album?
Hopefully I tour.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
If not, I'll work on another album, movie. I'm just
trying to do everything.

Speaker 11 (01:55:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
I should go visit that haunted mansion, y'all was.

Speaker 18 (01:55:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Yeah, and doing reality show We're us. Can we talk
about the Flyers yet? Flies Gangs? We talked about that
that was out there. Let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
That was on Still Matter, correct, that's when it that's
when when when Esco was going through what he was
going through. But it was it was a good look
because we always we always made classics. And that's that.
I performed that at the shows. That's that's a that's
a good song, and that's all the shows.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
That's a big joint.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
Yeah, that's one of them classes right there, Man, Flies Gangsters,
How did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Where's your studio?

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Where? What's that? I don't know if that was a
hit factory or had to be the hit again or
Sony had a studio Sony Street, Yeah, that's where it was.
Sony and once again, that's l E s again L
had classics. We were there in the studio like at

(01:56:51):
that time. You know it's a time like you said analog.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Yeah, okay, so I'm this is the last question. God
come down, but I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
But he says, A you got one chance to save
your life, make one record. Who's the producer you're picking
to make that one record? Save you your life?

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Everyone?

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
The one producer you saving your life to save the
life of humanity. Do you want to take a shot?
You wanted to take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
A little.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
I got a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Let's take a shot. Who would I do one record
to save humanity?

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
The producer?

Speaker 10 (01:57:51):
Yes? And you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Berry Gordy man Berry, Gordy Jones bad? Either one of them?
Wrist bad.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Look here's the hip hop see. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
The man, I use the bathroom to hold on, don't
finish this and then we're gonna use the bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Then we're gonna part ways. Yes, do wop a Z.
Thank you brothers both coming here being exactly who you
guys are.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
Guys are legends, absolutely righticons. We wanted to salute that man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
Man. You show that to toy when you come back
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(01:59:03):
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