Episode 399 w/ DJ VLAD (of VladTV)

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Speaker 3 (00:55):
And today I'm excited to introduce.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hip Hop King.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
When it comes to all of this, the man started
out as a DJ. A lot of people don't understand
that he was DJ vlat To Butcher. At one point
he was heavy on the mixtapes. He's a media mogul.
He has changed the way hip hop has been looked at.
He's single handedly saw Tupac's murder. He did what the

(01:29):
LRDS Vegas PD couldn't do, and the LAPD couldn't do.
He brung it to the forefront. He made hip hop
interviews change. To this day, there's people who still ask me, didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
You go through the door? Because I did it on
his interview, went to the door in his interview. No,
I talked about it, talked about it. He's listened to me.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
When I tell you, if you need to get hot,
you need to.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Be on the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
You stand in front of his cameras, he's gonna have
he's gonna ask you the questions that you need to
be asked, and he's going to get you to the
forefront of where you need to be. In case you
don't know who the fuck we're talking.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
About, hip hop mogul one only.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Now for people who's just tuning in DJ Vlad is
one thing. But then black TV is a separate entity, correct,
right would you just rap it like that?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Absolutely, Okay, So tell us I mean Blad TV is
something I started in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Uh huh. I couldn't think of a better name, so
I just went with my name and put a TV
on the end of it.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
And uh yeah, man, sixteen years later, still doing it daily.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Now, when you say we started blat TV at that point,
was that where the blogs kind of like.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, early blog aract and that right now, right I
kind of like replaced the mixtape called Slash Around.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
World Star was definitely around modeled the news site kind
of after World Stars.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, okay, was it problem with world saw now?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I mean me and Q kind of have had a
weird relationship. I guess, you know, before before glad TV,
when I was a DJ, he actually booked me for shows.
He even went with me to I think Bahrain, you
know what I'm saying. So we were real cool. But
then when I started glad TV, the website, I think
he saw it his a little bit of competition, so
things were a little tense between us.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
But then you know, I went out to Arizona.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Spent the night at his house, you know, his guest room, Uh,
you know, met his family, everything else like that, and
then we know we became kind of cool afterwards. Then
you know, he passed away unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Very very humble guy, very humble guy. Or did you
not see that side of him?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Cute? I saw both sides. Okay.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
We're rolling around in Aston Martin, Okay, okay, always had
his sunglasses on with a big chain on, even at
a restaurant at night. So you know, I mean he
had this humble but he also had his ragged ocean side.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
We got a little both.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, So let's let's let's take it back from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, bay Area. Yeah, I grew up in the Bay Area.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I was born in the Ukraine what used to be
the USSR at the time, so the Soviet Union.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, the Soviet Union.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
So a lot of times I'll say I'm Russian because
at the time it was Russia.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Now it's that's why the wars happening now, because Russia
wants it back, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
But yeah, I was about four years old when I
moved originally moved to Massachusetts, Springfield, Massachusetts. You know, we
lived in the projects, you know, for immigrants. Funny I planned,
I know enough. Yeah, and then you know, by around
third grade, my family moved to the Bay Area and
that's where.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I grew up. That's crazy. Well Springfield, Okay, Springfield on
one side all the way to that's extreme to extreme. Yeah,
but I was a little kid, so you didn't.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
You didn't get Yeah, third grade is when I got
to the Bay Area, Oka. What was I nine years
old something like that.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
What arts is out from from Bay Area at this time?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
What what are now?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
It's yeah, well, I mean at the time, yeah, but
there was no area hip hop at that time that
I knew about. It was New York hip hop. It
was I was buying Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.
I was buying Ren DMC's first album. You know too.
Shot probably was around with I was Oakland. I was
living in sal Mateo, which is kind of the other
side of the Bay, you know what I'm saying. So

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so hip hop there really were no hip hop artists.
I mean in LA there were some like I was
buying Hypsi and Lover Records and Uncle Jam's.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Army, you know what I mean. Back then, hip hop
wasn't on.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
The radio, So you would just go to Warehouse Records
and you'd go to the little hip hop section. You
just buy whatever's available. You can listen to it. You'd
come home and hope it was cool. That was the
hero for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
God damn it. So when did you fall in love
with hip hop?

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I mean at that point when breakdancing became a national
phenomenon TV.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
A breakdancer, Vlad was a break I can't see. Yeah,
definitely breakdances.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, that's how that's how I got into hip hop culture.
I was I was a breaker, you know. But but
the thing is, though, you got to understand, like.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got to understand the time frame.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
This was the mid eighties and the US and Russia
had a Cold war going on a lot worse than
now because it was potentially a nuclear you like it
was gonna I mean like there were shows like the
day after that people thought that there might be a
nuclear war.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
But you don't think that they thinking that now.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Put was a little not like it was not heavy.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, the whole baby were.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Clear missiles to Cuba and people thought that, you know,
nuclear weapons might start flying.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I'm gonna tell you when I got unscared of put
In when I seen them on the horse with the shirt.
The shirt like a scary like.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You should be even more scared. He was saving he
was winter like he saved his chest. Is he can't
be that tough.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
But you gotta understand, like you just I'm kind of
trying to set up the stage for you. At the time,
I'm a Russian kid named Vlad. I didn't have an
accent because I was so young when I came, I
was four.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
My parents did, but I didn't.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm glad in San Mateo the only Russian kid in
the school, while with no other Russian community at the time,
San Francisco had one. But when my parents settled down,
we did it. And there was just a lot of
hatred towards me. The Cold War, like the US, like
Americans hated Russia and I was the only outlet, the

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only person from Russia.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
That people knew.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
So it was just like a lot of like people,
you know, the kids, just a lot of fights, a
lot of you know, you know, if something would happen,
like if the teacher would say something about Russia.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
The whole class I'm sure around of stale at it,

Speaker 4 (07:47):
As a third grader, you know, you don't really know
how to deal with that. So the only other kids
I could really relate to were the black kids, the
Spanish kids, the Filipino kids, thank you, and so I'm
not a minority, right, but at the time, I was
one of the people that were kind of you know,
we all related to each other.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
To a certain thing.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I was drawing a hip hop along with the
other black kids and the Spanish kids in my school,
and I fell in love. You know, the New York
City Breakers were starting to be shown on TV, and
I just started falling in love with breakdancing and hip
hop and graffiti and you.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Know everything else like that.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
And I just would go home, watch your own TV
raps and practice breakdance moves in my living room. And
that's kind of the start of my hip hop career.
I didn't I didn't think that it would get me
here at one point. I just thought it was just
a hobby and something I.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Loved, because at that time, hip hop was a fact.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
You didn't know.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
You didn't know, you didn't know, and people were saying like, oh,
won't be around three years.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Right, But as a kid, you don't care about that.
You don't care. You're just doing That's what was every
kid was doing.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
You actually believe I actually believed that. Yeah, I agree
with you, Jamie. I took a drink when this chance. Yeah,
I actually believed that. I truly believe. Listen, all of us,
if we didn't get money doing what we love doing
right now, we'll be doing a version of it. I
don't think it will be all main job, but we'll
be doing a version of it, because like, I can't

(09:10):
see life without you, going without being a DJ, Like
I see how much you.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
And so how did you get into mixtapes? All right?

Speaker 4 (09:18):
So so the mixtapes it was, let me think. So
I went to school at UC Berkeley, right which is,
you know, right next to Oakland, And for the first
time I was seeing actual real rappers walking around the street,

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like the hieroglyphics A plus and Opio would just be
on Telegraph Ave and other underground rappers were sitting there
having ciphers on the corner for you and deep boxing,
and I'm like, oh shit, like, here's real hip hop
in front of me. Because where I was growing up,
you know, in high school, yeah, a couple of kids
try to rap.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
But no one was really it seriously.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
But here I am, and you know, these these kids
are signed to major labels and who were listening to
their CDs. So I started producing. You know, I played
a little bit of band in high school. I played
saxophone and stuff like that, so you know, I had
a little bit of musical kind of training. So I
started making beats. I started producing. I had like NPC sixty.
I was making beats, making little local demos. You know,

(10:22):
my man Jimmy Excel, who I just connected with recently.
Me and him put a demo together, and I kept
making beats. I kept making beats, and one day I
had a house party and the DJ who dj there
end up leaving his equipment overnight.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
He's going to pick up the next morning.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
So I jumped on the turntables and I just like
made a mixtape that first night.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
It just naturally came.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
It was just, you know, because I had been practicing,
you know, structuring beats, so it kind of came natural.
And I just recorded it live, and I'm like, wow,
I just made a mixtape, you know what I'm saying.
And so I started DJing and kind of, you know,
I started doing house parties and everything else like that,
and I was like, yo, like I love this feeling

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like I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
And I realized that.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
If I really wanted to take it seriously, I would
have to move to New York, where.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
The mixtape epicenter was.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Okay, going too fast, Holmes, call me down. Sorry, That
was my next question. I love because this is what
me and you always debate about. At this time, New
York was the Epic Center right.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
For the longest of course.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
But you being close to the bay, did you not
think let me try l A first?

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Because l A l A didn't have the mixtape scene. Okay,
they had dope DJs.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Who's the rule in the mixtape scene DJ Clue before
Clue Clue K Slay.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Those were Tony Touch.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, you know, those type of dudes were like the
known green lanterns. These were like the known you know,
dirty Harry, dirty guys. Because I was doing blends, because
I was, like, I started because because honestly.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Your style was more leaning towards dirty hair stuff.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Because I was, I started putting together. I started, you know,
using the production ship. I was, you know what I mean,
like the production ship I was combining with the mixtape ship.
And I was actually the first DJ to release a
mixtape on the internet. What yeah, the series way before that.
It was actually a Cypress Hill mixtape called Soul Assassination.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wait wait wait, I asked to be real about this.
You know, it's about you're knocking two birds out with
one stone.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
You said the first DJ to put a mixtape online, Yeah,
and then you're also saying it was for be world
of Cypress Hills.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So also I was a big Cypress Hill fan, a
big soul assassine.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh so you wasn't down with them, you just dedicated
never okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
No, no, no. I didn't meet them until way late.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
But no, I was such a fan of Cypress Hill
and you know funk dubious House of painin you know,
that whole, that whole, the whole movement. And I put
together a mix of just my favorite type sales songs
and blended one into the other disc lands everything else
like that. And since I didn't have an outlet to
put out mixtapes, I uploaded the whole thing as MP
three files.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And then before I know what platform, did you upload
your napster?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Okay, and my own website djvlad do I mean my
own you know website djvlad dot com, and like, yo,
download my mixtape, you know, one long sixty minute file.
And before I knew it, people in like Sweden and
Chech Republic and Australia were hitting me and I'm like, yo,
we bumped this thing in our youth center all the time,

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and I'm like, I think I'm onto something here, like
for the first time, I'm like Yo, my shit's actually
kind of being recognized outside of my bedroom.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
What year is that? Like? Early two thousand and.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean you could look, but let me let me
ask you.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
So how hard was it You said you didn't think
of Los Angeles, But how hard was it to transition
from that West Coast to New York and then to
get your music into New York stores?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Shout out to.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Joe because you're because these kids nowadays, they pressed one
button and that is everywhere. They don't know that you
have to physically bring it. So I would like you
explain that.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, shout out to my man Justo just.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Award. I'm sure you probably I got a couple of wars. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
So so Justo of Justo's mixtape Awards. I reached out
to him and I'm like, yo, I do mixtapes. He
was like, okay, let me check it out. Okay, you know,
I like yourself whatever, whatever, and I'm like, I'm thinking
about moving out to New York. It's like, okay, when
you come out, hit me up. So when I got
out there, I hit him up and he took me
Canal Street to make a Queen Brooklyn I smell everywhere

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he's talking about, you know, meet up with these Africans, consignments,
go to canals.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's because I did that cold call. I did it
on my own. What I'm not having any guidance now.
I me and my crew, we just went out there
and nobody wanted to talk to us. Someone like that take.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I was lucky, man. He was a good dude. He
was a good dude man.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
And from there it was like, I like, I got
to start from the very bottom. I'm essentially homeless at
this point because I was broke, sleeping on my man's couch,
DJing at the China Club and then that, Yeah, and
then that ended, and then you know, I'm having to
DJ strip clubs. And then at the Strip Club No
I wish. It was just a dead ass strip club

(15:27):
that was dying on Coney Alan Boulevard and Dirty Harry
came in Wow, and me and him chopped it up,
and that's when we formulated the idea of doing the
first Biggie Rap Phenomenon mixtape from from that Strip club
from you know, and then that mixtape got on MTV
and was getting and it was like, oh, okay, now

(15:50):
I'm actually doing something that hip hop is reacting to
for the first time ever because that had blend tapes
and yeah, but people bought them and liked them whatever.
But that was the first one that I actually people
paid attention to. And then that was so successful. Me
and Harry were like, Yo, we should do a part two,
but do a Tupac one. We should do it with
who's another huge DJ, oh Eminem, DJ Mean Lantern. So

(16:14):
at a I think at a Dipset listening event, we
just kind of cornered him and we were like, yo,
like why don't you work on this? Because he was
the blend, you know, one of the blend kings of
that era. And I'm like, yo, why don't you work
on it with us? And we'll do a Tupac mixtape,
but instead of just doing Blends, we'll get features from
other artists bus Aron's, Bounty, Killer Y Cleft, Alicia Keys.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
On and on and on.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
We just had these a cappellas with beats and guest
features and and yeah that and that project one mixtape
of the Year.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah yeah, that was like wow, Like out.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Of all these guys that are super super talented, they
they picked this tape as the mixtape of the year,
So it was just for me.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was it was a how did you approach artists
to do the features that.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
We all had our relationships, man, I mean because because
Green Lantern was EMINEMDJ and he was working on his album.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
At the time.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
This was before you know, he called Jada Kiss and
Jada put him on speakerphone. So at that time everyone
wanted to work with him because he had a shady records.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I don't think gets on the phone since, yeah, you can't.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
You can't get Green on the phone.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, so everyone was was flocking with him.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
And then of course Dirty Harry, he was Alicia Keys's DJ.
Yeah at the time, I mean, he he put her
on one of his early joints. They formed a relationship
and I'm I'm hustling, I'm networking, you know, I get
introduced to bun Beee, you get on the phone with
him and he boom, gives me a verse super quick.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And now I imagine it would have been sorry to good,
but I imagine been hard for them to envision what
you guys were actually doing.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Exactly because a lot of them were fans of the
Biggie Mixtape, so you.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Already had that we the second one was the one
that had the features.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
The first one didn't have any features.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
The second one had the real features, almost like a
mini album. But yeah, no, we people were fans the
first one, so they were willing to jump on the
second one.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Sense and uh yeah, man it was.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
It was great at the time, but I also realized
that this is cool, but it's not exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
A career because it's bootleg right with it?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know, you can't legally license it. You can't put
in a real store. Was Mama Pop stores. The Mama
Pop stars were going away.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know, it was crazy when you guys were putting
mixtapes in the stores.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I thought it was a fish. I didn't know it
was wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I was getting season assists letters from every label that
was actually feeding me leave.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
But you didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You didn't have a mic space back then when you
were saying that and blowing that up.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So I'm thinking this is legal.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, drama actually got raided.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I was like, what fall that was when I stopped
doing mixtapes.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Okay, I was watching that was the first week with
hip hop drama.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Here.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Here's when I was saying, is BMW get put on
the tow truck and his bank accounts proceeds and the
warehouse was raided. I said, I am done, but I
am done. This is this is real enough for me,
you know, because I was already having to put it
in other people's names, worried that there.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Might be raid and like that, and because real money
was being made with these mixtapes for for young kids. Yeah,
I mean I'm an adult now for young kid at
that time.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't know if I'm blowing it up, but and
if I is, the one person that I saw getting
real money off of the mixtape ship was DJ Clue
was getting Clue used to come pick me up and
the MPV and just like that, in two weeks, the
MPV turned into a purple BMW and then like just
the cars just kept going and I saw it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I never.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Felt like he owed me for me, like you know,
participating it. You know, I think the mixtapes helped us
a lot. It was a part of the culture.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I'm bouncing around a little bit, right, But I was
at a bar one night, Right, dude is drunk, He's
talking to me. He knows, he knows me in some way.
He doesn't know where he knows me from right. Two
other people come up, take a picture of maybe three
people come They take a picture of me, guys just

(20:31):
sitting there.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
He's like, oh shit, I know I know you from now.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
And then he gives me a five and he says,
I'm a Navy seal.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Off top.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't how the fuck can you prove your navy
sale or not?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
This guy's telling me all type of dramatic crazy shit.
One I'm thinking it can be true. Then on the
other side, I'm like, this gotta be like this guy
throwing me off. I just met him in bar. But
then I thought about it. If you are on Navy seal,
you went through all of this ship. Now you're retired,

(21:07):
sometimes you want to talk about these war stories that
you've been through.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
That you survived, because not all veterans. I'm gonna make
it make sense now. The face that that guy had
is the.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Only face I've ever seen is until I.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Seen kevd Am. I making sense because.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
If you do something that's so heroic, like you've seen this.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is something on.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Netflix where this guy kidnapped this girl and then they
give somebody else the credit for it. And the guy
has told me he's like, you know what, it was
me and I kind of trying to make it all
make sense. I kind of felt like that's what happened
with KVD, is like he kind of wanted to tell
his story, even he wrote.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
A book and people even paid attention to it.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
But on your platform, which is huge, you don't force
people on your platform.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
There's clearly cameras there. I can attest to that.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, there's clearly camerasy like this cameras.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Here wearing a wire.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Actually you're wearing you put it down your own shirt.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, So let's let's clarify people that don't know the story.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Right, you're into context. So are you reaching out the KPD?
Did you read this book?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
How did this? How did this work?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Well before the KVD interview, Greg Kating, who was the
l A p D officer, ye got you know, basically
gave KFD a profer agreement.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
What a profer?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Okay, so KFD and that's the one who who was
hired who said okay, yeah, so so so KFD. Word
was already out there that he was in the car
that killed Tupac, right.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I even knew that.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
So so Greg Kating, who was on I believe the
Biggie Task Force, but was kind of researching the whole,
the whole Biggie tupac, you know, whether there's some connection
or not.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
He was following.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
He started investigating KIFD, and he found that that Kify
had a whole PCP operation going and considering the priors
and the amount of PCP, Kify would have probably done
twenty five years to life.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
So what they did was they went to Keifi's house
and they said, look, we know about your operation. We
have all our ducks in a row, but come in
to talk with us and we'll offer you some sort
of deal.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
And this is after the Tubloc murder, correct, this.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Is after yeah, years after the two'clock murder continues. So
Keefy met up with them and they secretly recorded him
and they basically said, listen a profit agreement.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's also called queen for a day.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
It means that you tell me, you tell me about
all these crimes I'm asking you about, and if you
answer me truthfully, you don't lie. And I know some
of the answers already. Everything you say, we can't turn
around and use it against you.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
In that moment, in.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
That moment on that day, and in exchange all these
other charges you're facing, we'll throw him out the window.
So in exchange for him telling the whole story about
the Tupac murder, they threw out his PCP case. Okay,
So essentially they had all this information and they try
to use him as an informant. They try to send
him in New York to set up Eric Bonzit. This

(24:23):
is way prior, right, all this happened. They you know,
they weren't able to implicate other people in it whatever else.
But since they had the profit deal and Keify did
what he was supposed to do, they dropped the PCP
case and it was over. Ultimately, the Biggie investigation, the
lawsuit that Valletta filed, end up getting dropped. You know,

(24:44):
Las Vegas didn't pick up the evidence from Greg Cating
to try to implicate Keify and the murder.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
At that time.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Everything got dropped, Everything got dismantled. Greg Cating retired and
after he retired, he had some of that audio footage
and he told, if I'm going to put this out
and I'm going to write a book and put out
a documentary.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Or whatever else.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
So the audio of Keify confessing to his role in
the Tupac murder and implicating his nephew Orlando Anderson got
released and it was floating around. I knew someone who
knew Keify d They connected me with them, and he
had just written that book. So I had a copy

(25:25):
of the book and I was talking to.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
The writer because you've got two interviews with him.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Right, yeah, too, but I'll talk about the first one.
So essentially I got a copy of the book as
it was being released. He agreed to do the interview.
You know, I paid him a little bit of money
for it, and the interview essentially follows the book from
beginning to end.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
But also since I know.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
The whole thing, read the book. I read the book, absolutely,
I read the book. And I also had interviews from
other people that were sort of in the know and related.
You know, the outlaws, you know Edie, I mean, who
was in the car behind Tupac, Chris Carrol who was
the first responder, and of course Greg Cating, and then
you know the Compton Pde cops that are also investigating it.
And I'm so I basically pieced together the whole Storian

(26:08):
and he basically said the whole thing. He basically reiterated
what he said in the book.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
But all right, but you're not thinking that of it.
You're thinking like, all right, this is the book. Yeah,
you do the first interview, Yeah, it's Viraul. Everyone is like, wow, yeah,
this is the first time we kind of see like
a murderer kind of not emit, but a murderer on camera,
like kind of like. And then this is a this
is a national excuse me, a worldwide Yeah, no one

(26:35):
thinks nothing of it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
The first interview. Yeah, well people thought a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
I mean, you know what I mean, you know what
I meant was, but nothing happens to like.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, like there's no authorities alerted, there's no nothing.
Everyone that goes under the cover. So how did how
did the second interview come about?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, between that first interview and the second interview, he
does a bunch of other interviews, right, he does like
cam compone News, and he does this other platform.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
He does this platform.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
So he's basically telling the story over and over again
and putting in more details.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
He's like making it more graphic.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's saying Tupac was break dancing when he got shot,
trying to get in the back and you know, in
the back seed and it it got more graphic, you know,
it got a little more morbid, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
So he's doing it did probably.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Even one time part of me. Remember what you're saying.
He said that, Mike Tyson said something. He was like, yeah,
man till Mike Tyson.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, yeah, well I brought that up in the Mike
Tyson interview, you know what I'm saying. Mike Tyson was like, yeah,
that story sounds right, and I wish I had five
minutes with this guy, you know, in the room. And
he was like, yeah, you know, Mike Tyson, need to
be careful. I'm a gangster boxer, you.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
But you know, Keithy's living his life. He's living in Vegas,
which is where the murder occurred.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And you know it's weird. Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Because he was he living in Vegas. I don't know
if you noticed or that was he living in Vegas
prior to that.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I believe he was living in Vegas for a while.
I mean, at the time the murder occurred, he was
from la from Content.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, So I remember I'm saying they drove back together.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, he was a south Side crypt so they
went back to Compton. But yeah, I don't know how
long he's been living in Vegas, but yeah, he's been
living in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
For a while.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Okay, so boom, So this second interview comes up. Yeah,
how do you approach this different from the first interview?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I mean, that's always challenging. Did you know he was
going to give you more?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
I mean, there really wasn't that much more. It was
kind of a fill in the blanks on certain stories.
It was kind of a reaction to this person saying
things about I mean, really, the first interview was the real,
you know, storyline. The second one just had a few
pieces here and there, not not really a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Of course people reacted to it because it's me and
kif D, But really it's that first interview that told
the story from essentially when he was born, to his
relationship with Sugar, him being a South Side crip, his
drug dealing days, his relationship with his nephew Orlando, what
you know, his interactions with Puffy and Biggie, what led

(28:54):
up to them going to Vegas, what happened after Orlando
got jumped to the actual his role in the car
and the shooting and then going back, you know, and
then the blood bat that happened in Compton because of.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
The murder and all that.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
So it kind of told the whole story from beginning
to end in a visual format.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
What's you shocked when you heard Sug say I don't
want him to go to jail.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
No, but that's Sugar. Sugar doesn't cooperate. Yeah, so that's Sugar.
Shug he did, yeah, he he did.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
He also sued Acon's bodyguards, that's true.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
He was going to press charges.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
But I think Shug picks and picks and chooses, you
know what I mean, I don't you know, he didn't
cooperate with the police, you know, and and like for example,
like the great Katings of the world feel that because
Sugar is really the only witness that actually saw, you know,
because because Keithy said that him and Sug locked eyes.
Well they've known each other since football, played football together,

(29:55):
and they locked eyes. So Sugar could have been like,
here's who did it. Everyone's still alive in the car
at the time. He could have cooperated and everyone would
have went to prison. But he did it. So he
still is not so it is what it is. You
had a relationship with Sugar, never met him, never met him,
been in the same room with him. But the thing
with Sug is that everyone I know that's dealt with

(30:16):
Sugar has always had a negative story.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's always ended badly. You know, I'm like, why why
would I bother?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm fifty to fifty.
There's a lot of people who swear by her. You
have heard a lot of positive like.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I kid you not. I don't know reputable, real people
that say.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I don't know a single human being that said that
they have dealt with Sug and it's worked out at
the end, Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Kat Williams, darru T, K Kirkley.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, him, Him and TK got into it, Okay, Okay, him.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
TK got into it. Okay, But the other ones that
don't know, Okay, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I swear to God like and oh my, every time
I seen to him, he's been a gentleman.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, maybe I'm lucky.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Maybe I'm being overly cautious, right, but you know, sometimes
it pays to be overly cautious.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Is this somebody that you was?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I don't bounce it around, but it's just somebody that
you went to meet in this industry and you met him.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
He was like, fuck them. I'm sure's a lot of people. Yeah,
I got a lot too.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Not not really so much of a fuck them. You know,
you don't vibe with certain people, you know what I mean?
For whatever reason, the interview doesn't go corner. You know,
when I interviewed Lil Wayne, we didn't. It wasn't a
good interview. This was early on this during my DVD days.
It was just like he just wasn't feeling me. No
matter what I asked him, I got a one word answer.

(31:52):
I walked away feeling like you know, you know what
it's like when you when you don't get the interview
you were hoping to get over someone you admire, You
just walk away feeling kind of a little off. So,
you know, yeah, me and Wayne did didn't vibe. And
that's life. It's not like fu him. I don't feel
that way.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's just to go.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
He wasn't feeling me, and it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
So let me ask you, what's the method of your interviews? Right?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
See, one thing I want to give.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I want to give this.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
The method somewhat to our interviews. Is Leo Cohne used
to when I used to go see Leo Cohness, he
wouldn't take a meet in nowhere else unless you came
to him. He wanted to be the man when you
walked in the room. So the thing about it is
one thing that we learned early on.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I believe it was our.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
French Montana t I in the studio Rocky session.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
We went to their studio.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
And we realized we couldn't tell people to shut up.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
We couldn't tell people like move this way, get out
the camera, because we're actually in someone else's.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Studio, right, We had no control you understand the environment.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, So one of our tricks is like, yo, you
know what, no matter what, they have to come to
us now, like they got to come to us, be
in our environment, whether it's it's the comfortability they have
with us or the uncomfortability. What is one of the
things that you have to do if it is.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
A lad interview, I have to prepare, Okay, I have
to spend a long time research. Like if I get
a last minute call, I mean, of course, you know
you're gonna make exceptions, you know, if Eminem calls me
right now that I want to meet right now. This
is your only opportunity. Of course, I'm gonna do whatever
to make that happen. But Kelly, why many of you

(33:32):
dor Kelly over the phone in jail? Okay, but right
now all Kelly got free. You're going You're going to
Chicago to see him.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I'll go to I got a drink.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
But but in general, it's it's the research, you know,
and a lot of times, you know, Vlad is the
FEDS is because there's so much research that goes into
what we do. Like for example, there's that famous Little
Baby interview where he was.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Like, how you know that?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
And it's like, well, I've watched all your other interviews
and there's bit.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Some pieces I pick out of it.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know how it is you've done so many interview
you don't remember everything you said, and then someone brings.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Something up and you're like, did I say that? How
do you know that? But it's the research.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
And I felt like when I got into hip hop media,
I just felt that all the interviewers at the time
I'm not talking about right now, I'm just talking about
at the time, like they all sucked. It was all
like promo it was like a pr run. It was like, hey,
let me tell them how great you are. There's a
new album by and do you walk away with nothing?

(34:39):
But my thing was like, Yo, I'm going to research.
I'm going you know, like when people talk in the barbershop.
I'm asking those type of questions, the questions people really
want to ask, the uncomfortable questions that the hard questions.
So I research, IW research, I research. I watch every
other interview they've done. If they have a book, I'll
read the book. If we know some people in common,
I'll call those people up and I'll have conversations with them,

(35:00):
you know. And then plus you know, like I'm fifty now,
I've been around since hip hop was born, you know
what I mean, So I have it fifty yeah, you know.
So it's kind of like I know, as being like
a lifetime hip hop fan, I know everything that happened
in hip hop to a certain you know, every source magazine,
every double cell magazine. I read everyone cover to cover,

(35:20):
So I know a lot of stuff just in my
memory banks I.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Could pull out.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
So that's you know, the answer to your question is research.
I have to have a lot of research, and that's
what I think makes my interviews a little different than
other people's.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
And one thing about you, like I would say seventy
five percent of your guests, if they make it appearance
and it's a success, you have them back on right.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
You have the mist repeated guests. It's the core of
our business man. It's the core.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
And you know people like to you know, oh this
person again.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
But you know.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
When it comes to interviews, and you know, we don't
have deals with other companies, We don't have sponsorship deals.
We don't have TVD where it's like we get some
huge check and we just push it and whatever happens.
Not like our stuff is based on the views.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
You know how people say, oh, I'm going to clip up.
You know, I'm going to do a clip on this interview.
We were doing clips in two thousand and eight. You
know when the idea in the beginning was like, if
I have an hour and a half interview, I'm going
to do five ten minute clips every day every day,
and you know someone else is going to do it,
I might as well do it. You know a lot
of really incredible parts of an interview gets buried in
an hour and a half, and no one will ever

(36:29):
see it. My thing was like every important part, we're
going to put it out. So that's the whole premise
of it. And this is kind of how we put
the whole thing together. But a lot of it is,
like I said, it's just based on the research of it.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
One point, me and you speak all the time, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And I remember you said, man, that's just rappers.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Like like someone like we was talking and it's personal
this person and someone saying like, oh, and I'm like, nah, glad,
let me explaining to you it's not really rappers.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Tell me the premise.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
We were talking about somebody that we both had in common,
like a friend. I believe he was on thirty sixth
Street or what office was on thirties, so.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Were we work At one point I think, okay.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And you were speaking.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
He was just like, hey, man, your boy didn't show up. Man,
these guys goddamn rappers. And I remember me saying, you know, man,
don't label it all rappers. It's just certain times it's
certain individuals who are fucked up individuals who like.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
If a DJ, what DJ don't show up?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I can't say all DJs all d DJs. Is that
something that you've learned to work with.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
You, you learn to accept it. Okay, you know what
I'm saying. I guess because I wasn't always in hip hop.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
You know, I came in the tech world.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
You know, I have a computer science disagree for music Berkley,
and I'm used to I've worked for Intel, you know,
an Autodesk and big companies and everything else like that.
And in those type of businesses, people are on time. Yes, yes,
people are professional and so forth. Coming to hip hop
getting a half hour an hour late, yes, that's a

(38:22):
new normal, and it you know, it's not It's something
that I've never really gotten comfortable with because like I mean,
look at me today, what I got you early? Yes, yes, yes, right, no.
But my whole thing is, like I guess that I
value other people's time and they don't always value my time.

(38:44):
And in hip hop is just a little more commonplace unfortunately,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
But you can always thank you, like I can always
tell a rapper that's a business rapper, because we make
bets who's on time?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Okay time.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I clearly lost to Jehebro yesterday on Monday. I bet
that he was gonna be on time lost too jee
hebro Okay, he came late and he had hit a couple.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Of excuses while he was late.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
It was cool, but you know it's crazy. I was
the late guy. Yeah, until I waited. Oh I can't
stand it.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh me waiting or somebody, Oh, I can't stand it.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Blows It blows the energy because we're sitting there like
I'm ready to turn up and this guy comes. There's
been a couple of times. Man, they come late. I
don't want to get him a five. I don't want
to call them. I don't want to look at my
eye contact because I'm like, yo, bro, you know me?

(39:47):
And yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
But I just want to say this, what's the most
valuable thing in this world?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You can't get it back.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I can lose some money and I can make it back,
but that time I lost waiting for someone or worse,
even worse, a cancelation when you've spent money and time
and there's you know, we have twenty people in our company.
There's a lot of people that are that are working
to make this happen, and then first doesn't show up.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Who's someone who canceled on? You do twenty four hours
just decided not to show up. That's his name. Twenty
four hours. Yeah, he used to be.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Called something else. Just didn't show up. Asian Dollar just
didn't show up. Oh wow, trying to think who else?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I can't you know.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Those are the two that kind of just you know
what I mean, and they just Tom Hanks's son, Ched
Hanks didn't show up.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Was he Buma Clotte? Yeah, that dude. He was in Jamaica.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, just just didn't feel like it.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Well, it's a kind of a slap in the face
because you're losing thousands of dollars and time that you
can never get back. And you know me, I've sometimes
spent a few days just researching and airing and poof
out the window. So you know, yeah, man, it's time,
the most valuable thing. I can never get it back.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's real shit. Man.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Well we went, we were so I'm gonna be honest,
I'm so happy you came came to see us, because
one you a legend and what you did, like I
want to tell you face to face man, and man,
I've been a part of it. You changed the way
hip hop has been, you know, covered you changed it all.
You you you interviewed them. There was nobody else doing that.

(41:48):
It was behind the scenes. It's the only difference. You
know what I mean That people don't call you that
hip hop pod god is because you didn't actually put
yourself on camera. But I love the fact that you
put yourself on camera. I love the fact, man, you
know what you deserve every accolade. Our show was about
giving people they flowers, and I wanted to give you
your flowers.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I've been wanting to hear that. I've been wanting to listen.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I've been wanting to do this in the beginning of
Drink Champs eight years ago.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I've always wanted to sit down with you because what
you do for hip hop, A lot of people don't
understand that.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
You put people in the forefront.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
You don't ask people, you know, to go to these
places that they want to go.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
But if they do it, you do it. But you
deserve all that.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You are motherfucking hip hop pillar.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
And we motherfucking love and respect.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
And I just I just want to I just want
to apologize to you for not being on here sooner,
because a few years ago you had asked me to
be on the show. And because I had a big
ego and you had an ego, it sure than to.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Keep on.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Because because of my ego, you know, because I remember
I was explaining this, like Sam Sneid called me up
and he was like, we were talking about doing an interview,
and he was, yeah, I want to do your show
and I want to do Drink Champs you and know
you're cool, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Like, not really the time we weren't. He goes why.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
And I explained it to him, and at the end
of the explanation, I felt so stupid. That was just
the dumbest reason that me and Nori, who were actually
friends up until that point, like this is.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Why we're not cool.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
And I'm like, this is dumb, Like this is not
like a real beef, Like I've had real beef.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
In my life.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
This is not that. It was just the ego thing.
And that's when I reached out to you, not too
long after love. So it took us about a year
for us to kind of.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
By the way, you know, I mean, that's what that's
what men. Men is about.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Like sometimes you know what you can't Someone told me
this the other day, they said, you can't make a
misunderstanding out of the misunderstanding. The misunderstanding is just a misunderstanding.
This shit made no sense in all listens to me
in the world. You can't make a misunderstanding out of
the misunderstanding already. It's just a misunderstanding. Leadership alone, you

(44:25):
know what I mean? Leadership alone?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
And uh, I appreciate respect you man. Uh. Let's so
we gave him Miss Flowers.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
We're gona play QuickTime before we play quicktimeaslant, how the
fuck did you build this chemistry with Boosy out?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah? Okay, so.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Before vlad TV was the hot in here DVDs, which
came around the time to Spack DVDs. As I was
transitioning out of mixtapes because you know, CDs were going away,
the Mama pop stars were going away, I was like
doing you know, I started doing DVDs like street DVDs

(45:11):
where I would get freestyles, do interviews everything else like that,
and I would go to labels and I went to
Atlantic Records.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
He was on Atlantic time. Boosey and Webby had just
gotten signed to Atlantic. Yeah, but before write.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Me down before before yeah, you should see how like
I have videos of this on my YouTube channel, like
Boosey looks like a little kid.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
He looks like he's about seventeen.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
And I interviewed Boosey and Webby hold the camera, you know,
I mean the whole thing, and me and me and
Boosy kind of formed, you know, me kind of formed
that early early relationship. And then you know, later on
well Glad TV started to get legs. We did an
interview and that was the hypnotized with Hatred interview, and
that just went super viral, like people still say that

(45:58):
to this day. And then we do one interview, reacts,
and we do another interview and reacts. The numbers just
keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. You know,
We've had interviews that are like twenty million views combined
and everything else like that. And after a while it
just became a mutual respecting. It became a business relationship.
You know, he picked you up on our show too. Yeah,
I'm bigging him up right now.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
That's my man. You know, I've been to his house.
You know. It was it was like we and it just.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Turned into something like, for whatever reason, the chemistry between us,
people just react to it more so than any of
my other regular guests, right, and you know, we just kept.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Doing it and doing it.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Now it's like we almost try to have Boosy running
all the time. One you know, we do one interview,
it's like whatever thirty forty parts at the time it ends,
we'll go do another one and then that'll keep running
and then you know what I'm saying, and everyone just
benefits from it.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Right now, I ain't a lie.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
You got me tuned in, and I like, I love
the fact that it's never repetitive. It's always something new.
You always come with something fresh and new. Sitting there
like how much more Boosy can I have? And then
you manage to say, oh no, you need more Boosy
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I didn't need
more Boosy like I did. Like it's so entertaining. Is

(47:13):
that your favorite guest?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
You have had? My favorite guest? Yeah, who's your favorite?
Don't give me Arron hall Wild. I mean that's a.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Hard question to answer, okay, right, because me and Boosy
consistently get the biggest reaction. But it's not like I
grew up listening to Boosy.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (47:44):
And there's something that's to be said about when you
fall in love with music before it becomes your career,
and when you interview someone before before it's for the
money and you're doing it for the views and the
money and the cloud or whatever else.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
It's pure love.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
You're sitting there with your headphones and you're in your
bedroom listening to a song over and over again, and

Speaker 1 (48:07):
So, you know, like interviewing Smokey Robinson was was.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
A moment, you know, sitting in when when Loudell interviews
Shaka Khan was was a moment. Interviewing Mike Tyson it was.
It was a moment. Well he got mad at me
at one point, So yeah, I was scared.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh he interviews you. No, I interviewed him and I
asked the wrong questions. What happened? Okay?

Speaker 4 (48:36):
So it was actually a zab Judah interview, right, So
we go to Mike Tyson's gym in l A and
zab Judoh is the one that that was due in
the interview. And and but I'm there and I for
you know, even when other people do interviews for us,
I work with him on the questions.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Right. So he goes to the whole interview.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
He does this thing, and then uh, I'm like, hey,
do you mind if I jump and asked a few
questions and Mike's like, yeah, cool, no, because Mike knew
who I was, and he knew some of the people
I interviewed whatever else, and you know, you know me,
I'm going to push the.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Envelope a little bit, right.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
So so we're in You got to understand that the
setting we're doing the interview inside of his actual boxing ring.
So I'm in the ring with Mike Tyson. Literally no one,
no no, But we're you know about as far as
you know. Me and aofn were just close to each
other in chairs doing the interview, and you know, I
started getting into a little bit of the harder questions,

(49:32):
and one of my questions was, well, Mike, you know
here you are, You're worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
You know, why are you attracted to these street guys
like Eric von Zipp?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
And he said what do you mean by attracted? And
I wish so bad at a time machine to go
back and changed my words, and you know, you see
that like pissed off Mike Tyson. And I'm like.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
And I gotta talk my way out of this situation
because my security is way over there.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
He's not gonna get to me in time. If Mike
Lunge is at me and.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
He has security, might think twice, Might might not even
do it. Mike Twice like, man, you're not paying me
to do that.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
But yeah, so so I gotta you know, I gotta
dance my way out of this question and explain to
him I didn't really mean it that way. And then
at one point he got it, and then we went
on with the interview.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
But it was a moment.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
It was a tense moment made for good television, you
know what I mean. But it was Mike Tyson is
still Mike Tyson. He knows when he could turn it on.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
This man never got high in his life. Mike Tyson
gave him a mushroom and a gummy and he took it.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
He said, ship that ship like shit, Hold what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
That's what I'm saying, man, that's Mike Tyson. But that
was the moment as well. It's like, yo, Mike Tyson,
for people of my era, that's the Muhammad Ali of.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Our Eras I'll tell you some funny ship I'm going
through No, not Sordi Arabia, I'm going through Dubai.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I see Mike. Everybody's like Mike Tyson.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
He's just looking. He's just looking, just intimidated walking through
the airport and I'm like it was nois like, oh,
ship turns around. He takes a picture. Very next day,
I see a Vanda the holy Feld. Yeah, just interviewed.
But I know that's why I brung it up. Was
giving you a give you a you know what I'm saying.
How was it you interview on the Vanda holy Feield?

Speaker 4 (51:37):
It was dope, man, it was dope. Like he's such
a class act.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Did he talk about his mom?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Absolutely, listen, Yeah, he's a big fan of his mama's.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
My mama was definitely a phrase.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
I think one of the interesting points that he made
in that interview was when he was in the Olympics,
he kind of got robbed, he got a bad call.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Okay, because we heard this story, he ended up tell
the story. Okay, so.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
During one of the fights, he had a bad call
and he ended up winning the bronze instead of the gold,
which he ultimately deserved.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And uh, and.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I said, well, did you think to act out whatever
else he goes. Nah, because if I would, my mom
was right there. If I would have acted out, she
would have jumped into the ring and slapped me in front.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Of the whole world.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
And she would always tell me, You're not the only
one that's going through this. Don't think you're special, and
you're the only one that goes through trials and tribulations,
like take it like a man. And that was sort
of the theme. You know, he he had losses, you know,
he he he wasn't mad at Mike Tyson for biting
off part of his ear. He forgave him.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
That's that's a lot. They got an air company together.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Yeah, man, it's it's okay, okay, Yeah, I mean it
was just so you know, like that mansion, you know
that he used to own.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
The reason why he lost that mansion was because his
sister took a second mortgage behind his back on that
mansion and then by the time he found out, he
was millions and millions in debt and he never pressed charges.
You just let that go, you know what I'm saying.
To lose the house that you think you're going to
pass on to your grandkids from your own family member,

(53:46):
and to not feel angry about it, bitter about it,
not to retaliate on any level.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, man, it's it's a.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
It's a we all strive to that that level of elevation.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Put it like this all the time. Don't live here.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I don't worrys speak to him because he's just intimidated guy.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
But he's not really intimidating, not at all his mouth.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
But if he doesn't open his mouth, he's very intimidated.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Trust me, he was around and you, like most of
most of the people, can get the funk out of his way.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, by way, Wait, but great guy met him, You
were there, right. I can't even I can't even reveal nothing,
change the subject. Guam boom, quick time of slim. Let
me go to the bathroom bathroom break?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, because the quick time of slime. I don't think
it's going to be quick. How does it work? Rules? Okay, okay,
explaining it all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
You're gonna get two choices, So this or this, and
you could say you pick one and nobody drinks, or
you say both are neither.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
If you say the politically correct one, which is you basically.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Don't to pick one, everybody drinks and if somebody were
talking about inspired, you have a story with them, please
the rate tell us the story you know.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Got you ready?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yep, Joe, butden on fat Joe, Joe, Oh that was hard.
Tupaca DMX Tupac clue of funk Flex funk Flex, Tony
touch or dup man, this is easy.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yehad dirty Hairy or SNS dirty Harry. Soul Assassins are hieroglyphics. Assassins.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
take a shot.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
That's a tough one both, okay, show, I have to
think about that for a second.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, we told him that.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Thanks love, shout out, shout out to be real man.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I mean I've interviewed both of.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Those dudes, and I didn't know your love for for sercilles,
so just now.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
But yeah, yeah, no. I mean.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
It's funny because there's a there's a photo that was
a super huge soul assassins fan.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I think I smoked weed because of Cypress Hill, you know.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
What I mean, Because because the Cypress Hill made smoking cool,
you know, at least in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
And them in red men. I feel like that.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
But for me, like Cypress kind kind of connected a
little bit and like Cyprus.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Came before Red Man though right.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Yes, yeah, it's like for the first album, for a
first album, but getting to me.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Be real and hanging.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Out backstage, like we both got high backstage, and there's
a picture of us and we looked like twins. My
head was shade both of our head at that time,
and we both like high as hell, and this photo
I look like I was part of Like we looked
like twins, you know what I mean. But uh, I
got to interview I got to interview hieroglyphics as well. Man,

(56:56):
and those those dudes really, like I said, seeing them
in Berkeley kind of really got me to thinking that
hip hop is attainable on some level. I could actually
see them right in front of me. You know, I
could deal a pound and anything else like that. So
so both of them have a significant over my life.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
So I gotta I gotta say both. I respect that
WU tang or n w A.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
I'm getting a nw AD because in fact, like I'm
gonna tell you there, there's this one point because I
was a hip hop head from elementary school through junior high.
But then in junior high I got in some trouble,
Like I gotten you know me and this this one

(57:38):
kid started getting into it, and then the vice principal
got involved and he the vice principal started threatening me,
started saying he'll like bash my hand in the wall
and like that type of you know, to like a
little kid. Was was kind of fucked up, and my
parents were like, we're taking you out of this this
public school, and we're going to put you in this
private school because we're not going to deal with this

(57:58):
this funck shit. So I got put in the school,
a private school where nobody listened to hip hop.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
And you know, if none of your friends are listening
to hip hop, you slow, you slowly start to, you know,
get into more of the music they're listening to and
so forth. So I started kind of lose interest a
little bit in hip hop and not listen to it
quite as much.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And then I heard.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Easy East first album and it was like, oh my god,
what is it? Boys in the Hood, just that whole album,
you know, Dre. Hearing Dre for the first time.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Here he said, I want to fuck you. I want
to fuck you too.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
We love you, Easy, I want to to.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Here we fucking with that ship.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
And so n w A held such an important role
in my development. And Wu Tang is dope. No, come on,
like Wu Tang is Wu Tang thank you? Yeah? Yes,
but you know and and of course this is the
East coast West coast thing to a certain degree, I
understand living in New York like you, Wu Tang has

(59:07):
a difference.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
No, I'm gonna be honest with you, Okay, That's why
I got my shot ready. I can never choose between
n w A and Wu Tang. To me, they had
the same impact on me. Because of n w A,
I didn't I didn't see they videos.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I don't know, maybe I was poor.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Or something like, I didn't get this identify with all
of their videos. But then Wu Tang I got to
see their video.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
So I got to.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Appreciated more because to hear it. But I got to
appreciate n w A a little more because I didn't
have access to everything, you know what I mean? I
didn't man like I always say this on the show,
I thought Compton was a jail.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I didn't know that was a place.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Because it was like how Cooogie Wrap describe right as Island,
Like I don't want to go there. I didn't want
to go to Compton. I was just like, wait a minute,
Content Compton, crazy motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I see what I say that in jail seller's crazy
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I want to go to this come to find out
as a as a real neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Holy moly, come on, be moving on. Yeah, ud Kid
Capri or red Alert.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Red Alert camera or mace camera, Napster or lime Wire
Napster now right or on smash not right, This is
very easy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah, New York City Breakers or Rock City Crew.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
New York city Breakers because because that was that was
the ones that that I got, you know now living
in New York, those are the ones who I saw
on TV, and that's who inspired me to break dance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
On David Letterman. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
I don't know where it was, you know what I mean,
like you you it was television.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
There was no one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Man, you know something's on. You don't even know where
it's from. Yeah, New York City Breakers got me to breakdance.
So yeah, absolutely, New.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
York City Breakers, well Star or b Street mm hmm
h b Street. I saw that in the theaters.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I did not great great movie MTV raps or Rap
City m TV raps.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
You om TV raps had such an important role in
my life. You know, I watch almost every episode, you know,
and the fact they got to interview flve five, Freddy
and Andre Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
that was that was a lot that that was because
you know, at the time, that was the only you know,
living in the West Coast, you didn't have Ralph McDaniels,

(01:01:34):
you know what I mean, So you didn't get to
see that. You on TV raps was the only visuals
that you saw of hip hop, you know. And you
and I would watch kids break dancing the music videos
and I would sit there and try.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
To do it myself. Well, old TV raps, You on
TV raps?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Is that because there was no other place to watch
hip hop videos? But you know, m TV raps that
was the only game in town.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Too Shore or e Fordy, let's take the shots like
both do Yeah, just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
State the shock.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
I gotta advise you on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
And I'm from the Bay and you know, I'll be honest,
I was listening to I was a too Short fan
before I was forty and the click fan. Uh and
me and me and well me and me and both
those dudes have relationships now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
But you know dopehiene B.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I think was like one of the greatest Bay Area
hip hop songs of all time, just the energy of
that song and the uniqueness of it, you know, freaky
tales like the whole Life is too Short and born
to mac epic. But you can't you can't down down
play what E forty has pulled off. Man E forty
created so much slang. Yeah that man, you know? And Yeah,

(01:02:44):
but both them, dudes. I still keep in contact with it,
you know, being Bay Area. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna divide the Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I'm a d was the last time you've been
to the Bay last year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Okay, that's year I tried. I tried to go there
once a year or so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I went to the Bay last year. They told me,
don't leave you a charger in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
I was like, cho They for the first time ever
in life, a fucking in and out burger got shut
down in open in Oakland because of the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Because I guess it's about the airport and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
People were literally like robbing people in their cars and
popping their trunks and taking their suitcases, and it became
so unsafe that in and Out has announced they're shutting
down that in and out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I've never heard of an in and out shutting down.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
In and Out don't close, they don't close everything else out.
Who the hell is saying, yo is leave it to
Oakland to fuck up?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
In and Out didn't a court system shut down as well.
Only place in America that a court didn't open because
there was so much drugs and so much shit outside
that they didn't want to open the courthouse was in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I'm not sure. I don't want to co Yeah, you
might be right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I didn't necessarily hear that story, but you know what
I mean, a lot of fucked up shit that happens, yeah, unfortunately.
But but the in and Out thing was just like
god damn like proof company that literally shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
But you're gonna skip over the fact that my friend
told me don't leave a charger in a car. A charger,
I don't mean. It wasn't even the plugging charger, it
was just the USB part. Like he's like, you, no,
don't leave that breaking become Gazzi from Empire Records. I'm
sorry he yelled. I've never heard Ghazi yell. He was like,
take out radio out of the car. I was like, what, like,

(01:04:27):
he's like everything. I was like, it's a wire. He's like,
they're busting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Your car for a wire. I remember it was a
little pete.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I interviewed this dispay artist and he was describing how
they break windows using spark plugs and then the whole
window just shot.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Just I ain't gonna lie to the Puerto Rican. I
used to do that too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
That's the old technique and stadium do that. But I
was so shocked they're still doing it. I'm like, what, like,
Holy Moly, walk them on, But.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Huh, next, let's go podcasts or radio podcasting. Yeah, you
can do that one. Kids are fab fabulous j Z
or nas jay Z NPC sixty or MPC two thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
NPC sixty because that was actually the machine that I
spent a lot of my time making bezz on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Not to say I was great at it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I was okay, But with the NPC sixty, and I
tried at the NPC two thousand, I think even the
three thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
With the NPC sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Something about that the feel of that machine is just unequivocal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
BCT Boys are fab boys, definitely. BC Boys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
BBC Boys was like, you know, like like that first
album Licensed to Ill.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I mean, in fact, I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Tell you this, I was a huge EC Boys fan.
But when I got my first car, a Nissan truck,
the first car I ever owned, the first cassette that
I played in that car was BC Boys Paul's boutique
and I played the ship out of that album. That
was such an underrated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Brilliant The second album, The.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Dust Brothers, the production level was like on a completely
different level, and that was an album that was kind
of slept on, probably one of their worst selling albums.
With the brilliance behind that, the way the beats were layered,
the way they would finish off each other's wraps, like
like like the structuring of the three of them working together,

(01:06:43):
you know what I mean, Because we live in a
world of people make music and then they set someone
an MP three and then they do the first and
you know, the person who did the first, he doesn't
even hear the song until later on. No, like they
were literally in there lighting together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Type shit.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Yeah, that's how should definitely Beat Boys. Shout out to
the Fat Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
You know I interviewed the cool Cool rock Yeah these
are nigga now cool Rocky yeah, yeah, cool rock because
the other two passed away Chris MARKI d and but
passed away, so I got to interview him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
And I have a lot of respect for the fat boys,
but easy, the beastie boys, Easy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Analog or digital digital. I didn't expect that digital Suge
Night or puff oh Man stories if you want, Okay,

(01:07:44):
all right, yeah, well I would.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
I don't really have a connection to either one or
so I'm gonna say neither.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So you take cool.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm gonna tell you puffy
story I haven't told before. Okay, cool, y'all gonna get
theseclusive on that snow frog. So you know, listen, when
you're when you don't have a lot of money, you
don't have a lot of money buy clothes, you rely
on these clothing companies giving you clothes, right, And I

(01:08:17):
hooked up with this really dope one called Salid like
the throwback jackets, like the old like teams, like the
Negro League teams and everything else like that. And I
remember my man Rikers from Stalidan. I haven't seen him
in a while. My shot out to write his name
is Rikers, well his nickname. I don't know what his
real name.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Is his mama ain't no, no no. That was what
everyone knew.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
So so Rikers used to always give me this dope, dope,
dope gear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I remember he gave.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Me like the the USSR hockey jersey knit hockey jerseys.
And I remember I came in once and he gave
me this Brown Bombers jack right, like the matching hat, right,
and I was feeling fresh to death.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
So so we're in this club and Puffy's in the club,
and Puffy sends his man to go, uh talk to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
He's like, yo, man, I worked for Puffy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
I'm like, okay, cool, cool, yeah, man, Puffy really loves
that jackie wearing. He wants to know if you want
to sell it to him. So I'm not gonna tell
my fucking jacket. I'll take what kind of quick kind
of question is that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Like I was gonna take off my jacket and give
it to another man, Like the fuck? Okay, Like what
kind of jacket is this?

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
It was a brown Bomber's jack like it was a
brown you know, well Stalin Dean Brown Bombers on the
back and it was like the actual logo of I
believe it was a Negro team, you know, like like
a negro football team of that erab and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
A dope jacket. I get it, But I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Just gonna sell another man my clothes, especially in the
club walk home. It might have been winter at the time,
Like I don't know, man, And that was just sort
of rubbed me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
The wrong way. I was just like, it's just a
weird you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
It's the one thing to say, hey, o, man, like
Puffully likes that jacket. Where did you get it? You know,
so he could go It's like he can't afford it.
I would just hold him where I got it, but
he wanted to buy my actual jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
That's ill. So I'm like, nah, I can't relate. I'm good, man,
I'm good. So I'm just gonna say neither, Okay, Green
Latin or DJ who can Green Landing?

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Because me and Green have a have a relationship. You know,
we did we did an epic project together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Who could I know? But I just know him, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
What I mean, right, Beyonce or Lisia Keys. I think Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Okay, Beyonce, I mean, you know, Lisia Keys is dope,
but you know, and I remember the first time I
saw it my song and performed together.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Wow the first time you see Beyonce and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Was Alicia Keys concert and Beyonce came through and did
a little guests.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Said yeah, holy morning, walk home home to describe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
This, yeah, yeah, and then watching it and then like
Beyonce got off the state because we're backstage kind of
not backstage, beside stage, and she walked down the next
to me. I'm like, damn, let's Beyonce like right here
on this link. Like, you know, Beyonce definitely has the
energy that's mega stars and so for and Alicia Keys
is dope. Shout out to Swiss, you know what I mean.

(01:11:32):
Me and him have always had a good relationship, you know.
But I would say Beyonce to be honest, Yes, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Lisa Key's my sister too, that Swiss brother. UGK or Outcast.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna take a shot for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
This one, UGK, and I think Outcast is dope, but
but UGK like one of my early mixtapes that I did,
it was like a dirty South mixtape and it was
like UGK all through it like pocket full of Stones.
Me and and b have a dope relationship. In fact,
I'm gonna tell you this, I have not I'm planning
on it. Well, I haven't been down to Texas in

(01:12:06):
a while. It's not like they have them in avoiding
it or nothing, but well they're in Texas and I
haven't been in Texas in whatever fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
But I'm gonna tell you this. The first time I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Met PIMPC, my man Tony Martin was managing him, and
he said, yo, yo, we them studio pimps. You want
to come down. I said, cool, let's let's go. Yeah, PIMC.
And you thought at the time, no, no, no, no, no,
I was a DJ.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I was a mix. In fact, I just did a
UGK mixtape at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Okay, you know the edication like label actually gave me
some tracks and have me put together a UGK mixtape
and so for exclusive with exclusives on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
It and stuff like that. So I go down to
the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
And PIMPC is there, and I have never seen some
one that's just so much energy, and it's like story
to story and each story gets crazier and crazier and
crazier and crazier.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
And I remember he.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Told me there's this one story I'm not gonna name
names because we all know these people. And I remember
he was like, yeah, and I was at the bar
and this very famous R and B singer was at
the bar and he's like, yeah. She was looking at
me up and down and she's like, who this motherfucker

(01:13:34):
think he is forty or something?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And I said, bitch, if you don't know who I am,
you must be living under a rock. And I threw
a bag of money in her face. And we all
know who this is. I'll tell you afterward. But it's
like this caliber.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Of story and then the next story is even crazier.
And then two weeks later he died.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I'm gonna be honest. PEMC was like not from this world,
but he was special. He was special. He was special.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
And bud Bee is dope but but really like and
he'll even tell you like he'll say that MC is
what really made you gk like like you know, because
he would sing all the hooks and everything else like that.
You know what I mean is dope, dope, rappers dope.
But you know, when it came to the hooks and everything,
as well as the verses, was the one that was
the glue that held it all together. And yeah, man,

(01:14:30):
getting the honor to hang out with PIMC for just
a short period of time was was important.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I tell you a story of PIMC Real cravast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
I had a group and they wanted to do a
song with you. Gk Ugk asked me for a certain
amount of money. I went and I got it, you
know the story, and and I gave it to them,
and PIMPC gave me back my money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
He was like, I just wanted to see who's gonna
come play boy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
And I was just like, what is the first time ever?
Like he gave me back the check. He's like, I
just wanted to see he was gonna come on time.
I wanted to see if he was gonna like I
wanted to see do New York people respect us the
same way?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
And I was just like, oh ship, same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
With three six Mafia, I did a record with well
Project Pat. Project Pat wasn't known at the time. I
did a record for Project Pat and and three six
Mafia had the hottest turn the club up. And I
had a record with three six Mafia just because of that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
So how important this relationships for you? No being done?
I'm sorry, remember me to say how a poorant relationship is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Drama or Kali DJ Drama, DJ Drama.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
We addressed them both with DJ in front their names.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Any explanation why I don't have a relationship with Calid
at all? Really? Yeah, at all?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
And you also to win him about the Palistine ship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Well, but that that that doesn't have anything to do
with that. It's not that I'm you know, mad at
him or I somehow try to reach out. We just don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
You know, I have interviewed him on my DVD days
and so forth, but yeah, we just don't. We don't
have any level relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
But if you go to the store right now to
pick up one album, you're talking about my.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Opinion of okay, yeah your opinion, Yeah, yeah, my opinion.
Me and me and Drama do have a relationship. You know,
Me and Drama were like we're in the same freshman class.
In fact, like there's this famous Vibe cover where they
got all the not the cover, but it was on
the inside the Vibe where they had this kind of
DJ issue where they had like the legends and then
they had like the next generation and me and and

(01:16:44):
Drama were part of that next generation shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
So We're in the same freshman class.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
And I think that me and him, if you look
at that picture, me and him became the most successful
dudes from that freshman class. So I think, you know,
I'm always going to have respect for him because we
came up together, because you know, I had a raphenomenon
at the time, and then he was gangster grilled at
the time, and we both kind of chose different paths
and there he became a you know, more of a
producer label and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I became a media outlet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
But you know, both of us became I think both
of us exceeded our expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
So feared or love loved, I'm not. I'm not trying
to be feared. Yeah, I don't. I don't want anyone
to be scared of me on any level because I'm
not a scary person. I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
I don't need, I don't need anyone to have that
type of feeling towards me on any level. I'd rather
be loved or or not cared about it, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
But not, I don't. I don't choose fear over on
any level.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
So, yeah's favorite argument your guests Tony. Yeah, Yo, the
frequents ice Cuba, Biggie.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I mean, I would say ice Cube because that ties
into my whole n w WA think you know what
I'm saying. Biggie came later, and you know, Biggie is dope,
and I love both albums, but but ice Cube, ice
Cube was just ice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Cube, man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
I think that was like the soul of NWA. After
ice Cube left n WA. You know, the four Life
album was cool, but it wasn't like straight out of Compton,
you know what I'm saying. And America's Most Wanted I
liked better than both the Biggie's albums. And yeah, I
mean a lot of people say desertificable. For me, it's
America's most Yeah, America's most wanted. And you know, I

(01:18:32):
talked to Chuck d about this because the Bomb Squad
produced that I thought was just an absolute perfect piece
of work, just apps like like ice Cube melded with
the East Coast Bomb Squad Beats was just such a
perfect union. And I think people just don't appreciate how
great that album is because that next album was more
of a West Coast album, right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I think people more leaned into that East Coast people
weren't really bumping West Coast music like that, and you
know what I mean to a certain extent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
But but yeah, I would say ice Cube and and
kill that Will. That EPs they don't kill that Will.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Was another great one for me because that came right
after that. That was between America's Most Wanted certificate and
it was really almost like a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Death certificate one point five right in a way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
But yeah, no, ice Cube is brilliant man, and ice
Cube's flow is incredible, and I'm fortually I've never gotten
to interview him. You were saying, maybe one day, you
know what I mean. But I have so much love
or respect for for for ice Cube's crapped. I mean
because I've interviewed DJ Yella, d O c Arabian prints. Wow,

(01:19:34):
those are the nw A members. You know, I've never
done Dre, I've never done Cube and of course Easy
passed away. But yeah, ice Cube, I almost feels like
the last piece that I would like to get one
day before, you know, before it's all said and done,
Scarface or ic T, I'll say Scarface and ice is dope,

(01:19:55):
and uh, you know, power was incredible, and you know
but but but Scarface, like like that first that first
Ghetto Boys album with the mugshots, you know, mister Scarface
was wucking down the black like it's like, Yo, what

(01:20:15):
the fuck is this? And then and then like that
solo album where everyone's pulling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Out the guns and the key of coke on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
It's like, the level of creativity with this shit is
just like through the fucking roof, you know. And I
think ultimately, you know, Iced Tea, I think he got
into his bag with the acting thing, you know what
I mean. I think once he did New Jack City,
which I recently saw again, it's like, Yo, Ice is dope, like,
you know, on the acting side of things, and I
think he realized that there's way more money in it.

(01:20:45):
But I think Scarface, that's like a rappers rappers, you know.
And this is why I think his Teddy Desk concert
got the reaction that it did, because you just forget
how dope of a storyteller, and you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
People people always like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
What I don't like is everyone says Scarface, they forget
about Willy D. Because Willy D this is my friend
who I talked to last night, Like he plays such
a huge role, Like you know, you know, I start
off our interviews like this time to step on some
motherfucking toes and fucking ho the co ain't playing our song.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
I want to hear the hell going on?

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Like he was so aggressive and and once you get
to know him, you realize that he's really like that,
like this is not an act, like he never really
will beat you up in person.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
You know, he really put hands on him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Like like like this, like that persona that you saw.
Plus he was writing for for uh Bushwick Bill. Most
of Bushwick's raps was was Scarface was Willy D's Penny.
Willy D wrote wrote a lot of that, most of
it actually, you know, so yeah man Willy D And yeah,

(01:21:55):
WILLI shout.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Out to Ice ic T.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
You know I tea your movie set. Remember the barbershop
that's right, that's right used.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
In my movie. Yeah, very came came. I got about
third grade less money right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
Well, I remember they were filming and I'm like, y'all,
don't want to put a mike a little closer to me,
like where that bar is right now, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
We've got great footage. It's still it's still gonna be used. Yeah, uh,
Melly Mail.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Cast Melly Mail, Melly Mail and I got to interview
Mail and and we.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Talked about how.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
If it wasn't for the Message, hip hop may have
faded away because up until that point, and in his words,
it was rappers talk about rapping.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
The message was the first serious hip.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Hop song, the first one with the social message, the
ones that the critics, the New York Times and you know,
the time magazines were like, oh, okay, this is there's
something here, like there there's actual reality reality rap like
this is actually painting a picture of life in this
particular region. And it was, you know, such a dope

(01:23:12):
song and such a dope beat and the way it
was all put together one of my early twelve inch singles,
you know what I'm saying, Like I had that on
twelve inch and it was like it was such a
monumental thing. And it sucks that that Mel doesn't get
mentioned with the greats because he is one of the

(01:23:34):
greats for sure. The voice, the presence, the structure, before
there was anything to base it off of, was was
Melly Mel and people always and I think just because
this Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, his name is
not in there. You sometimes forget and you put all
the focus on Flash, which you know Flash is a legend.

(01:23:54):
But Mel was the vocalist of that group. Everyone else
was just back of vote was the lead one hundred
percent and he, like I said, like people would always
assume that hip hop would just would have blown up
no matter what. But no, like life doesn't work that way.
There's crossroads that if certain things don't happen. And I
to compare it to Go Go in DC, Go Go

(01:24:18):
is the biggest thing ever and outside of DC, nobody
knows anything about Go Go. It's huge in one region.
It's a regional music and hip hop could have stayed
that way if it wasn't for these records that broke
through that barrier, like the message.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
You see what I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Saying, and you as a real hip hop head, like
you can't deny what I'm saying right now, right it
was it was those records because up until that point,
it was you know, Busy Bee and you know, Transcend
jump in my limousine with one hundred dollars bill and
you know what I mean, go play basketball like like
it was you know, I mean, it was fun, it
was party it was cool, like you know, but but

(01:24:57):
it wasn't the message. Raise the bar showed the potential,
showed the potential of what it could be and what
it is today. So, and I've interviewed you know, Kaz,
I understand, I understand the importance of cass Like when
when I make these choices, don't think it's because I
don't know important.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
No, he's very important, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
I mean, in fact, the first hit record in hip hop,
which was what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Rappers rappers a light, it was his you know, I'm
the C S A and O V A and the
rest is fl.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Y Like, no, your name is big Bank Hank, Like,
why are you saying you're Cassanova fly?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Because he literally worked for word.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
He took Kazza's lyrics and rewrapped them and it became
a hit song and no one knows about publishing or
writing credits the dssette debts. So I understand the importance
of kaz But once again, rappers saw him out rapping
of that, you know, flying money, limousines, basketball pools, TV

(01:26:03):
screens like Mel Mel's mel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Yeah, the space of lois for Melle Mel Yeah, Tony
Yo or Lord Jamal Tony Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
And do you want to elaborate shouts to tonyeo, man,
that's my man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
And we formed we we really formed a good relationship.
And and this is something we've that he said, because
you got to understand that for a good ten years,
Tony was very quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I don't remember what Tony be ten years you did not.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Tony was fifties man, and he was was one hundred
percent solid and did whatever fifty you know what I mean,
has his friend required him to do, and he played
his position.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Tony's a definition loyalty.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
But Tony was not out there doing interview, putting his
face out, giving his opinion out until we did the
first flat TV interview. And now Tony is like a
media sensation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
He didn't great champs. Yes, after after that he did.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
But I gotta defend yayo because maybe he wasn't quiet
on the media scene, but.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
He's no I know behind the scenes Tony was. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
I'm not. But what I'm saying is is that the
way that his visibility of where he is now kind
of in the same way that you found your second career,
he's finding his second career and now he's doing more
tours and doing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
More features and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I was like that and this is these are his words,
and I feel I feel that me bringing him on,
and you gotta you gotta remember that first interview was tense.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
You know, I know Tony's reputation, and he said he
was He was like, Lloyd Base don't like you or
something like that. He doesn't. Why does it? Why doesn't
Lloyd Banks like you? Dumb shit? I mean, like the
annoying part about this is that the first.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Time anyone has said vlad TV on a video was
Lloyd Banks and Tony Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
I would go to g unit offices to interview the
both of them, and they I do an interview with
both of them, and I asked them for a shot out.
I like, Yo, it's Lloyd talk to New York Go.
This is you know Lloyd Banks, you know check out,
you know you tune into ladtv dot com. Like, this
is Lloyd Banks and Tonio. I used to go to
g unit interview both of them, I know both of them,
anything else like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
So so this is so dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Tony like like Banks does really do a lot of interviews? Okay, right,
so you know we we continue to cover him on
the news site anything else like that. I DMed him
a few times, Hey, do you want to do an interview?
He would just never answer right. And then you know,
if you know blad TV, every day we do flashbacks. Okay, right,
so something's happening, like I don't know Nicki Minaj's beefing

(01:29:06):
with the Stallion, So we'll bring up an old Nicki
Minaj interview where she's talking about other female rappers from
that time. It's a flashback whatever else, right, And it's
always labeled flashback right in parentheses.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
But it makes it look like you're what do they
call it trolling?

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Not really trolling, it's just bringing in you know, it's listen, like,
your catalog is important. Your intellectual property and your ability
to monetize it and use it again and continue repurpose
it purpose it is important. This is the film companies

(01:29:42):
have always known this, but a smaller guys are just
learning this now. So if I have a sixteen year
catalog and there's a video from ten years ago that
I can put up that gets another half million views,
that I don't have to do any editing. I don't
have to just throw it back up there flashback on it,
which happens all the time. Now you know we literally

(01:30:03):
every month millions of views comes from just flashbacks. I'm
gonna use that. So in this particular case, we put
up a Lloyd Banks flashback and the writer forgot to
put flashback in it, right, it seem like it was
it seemed like it was new whatever, honest mistake. So
he writes to me kind of like like a nasty DM,
and I'm like, this is when you so, this is

(01:30:25):
when you choose to respond to me, Like, after all
these ignore dms, you choose to respond to me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Now, that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
That was the exchange. We never talked again. And then
like I oh, yeah, Lloyd Banks hates you because of
that from fucking seven years ago or some shit, like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
You know what i mean. You're telling me this, yeah
you know, And I'm like, all right, fuck it. Then
who cares? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Like he mad at you, okay, he mad at me?
Like who cares? Life goes on, you know is what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Think you you dealt unfil filed unfair cards because.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Because I'm white? All right, let's say that. You think
that's the only reason. What else you tell.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Me, Okay, some of my closest friends, some of my neighbors,
they're white, and sometimes they asked me inappropriate questions. Yeah,

(01:31:34):
it's just a part of their characters. They'll be like,
all right, for instance, this white guy lives right next
to me and we're all outside doing yoga. Here he goes, well,
I wasn't doing yoga, but he goes, this is exactly
how he described it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
He said, hey, don't go over there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
You gonna get high, because you know, we smoke weed
before we work out. But I don't like the terminology
getting high. I get medicated. My shit is actually I
actually buy my shit from a dispensary, actually have a receipt.
I don't look at it as getting high at all.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
So I was so.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Offended. I went upstairs. I got my receipt, I got
my medical smell the card, I got my regular and
I wanted to show him. Right, listen, you're you're in
the nineties, so about getting high. I get medicated, no disrespect.

(01:32:39):
So you think that it's that Sometimes, like sometimes it's
a question that maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
All right, I'm not racially sensitive, that is that what
you're saying. Sometimes I ask questions that are racially insensitive.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
No, I'm asking do you think that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
I think being white, you're you're not gonna relate completely
to someone who's black.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I was just let's just let's just be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
I respect that, and you're not going to relate to
someone completely who's white.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
That's just the reality. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
During the course of my adult life, from you know,
my sophomore year in college to you know, throughout my
whole adult life, ninety five percent of my long term
relationships have been with black women.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
So you know, in my home, I'm being told.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
You know what I mean on an intimate level when
I'm doing that, and I try to correct myself, especially
because I'm speaking publicly, you know what I'm saying. But
even with that, of course, I'm not going to relate
to what it is to be a black person because
when I walk down the street, unless they know I'm
DJ Vlad, I'm a white guy. You know, even though

(01:33:57):
I'm Jewish, can't necessarily tell I'm Jewish unless you know
what to look for, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm you know, so I don't know what it's like
to be a black person and live in America and
I remember when it really dawned on me was when
I went to Africa for the first time. When I
when I went to Africa, I went to Senegal, you
know where acons you know, but this was before I what.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
You like your I remember.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
I lived with a family in Senegal because the people
I was with had friends, so it was I I
was in a hotel. I was actually living with the
Senegalese family for like two weeks. And I was walking
around into car in the village, small village we were at,
and everything else like that, and I would interact with
the Senegalese and I just remember how different our interactions

(01:34:58):
would be then with black people in America when I
would see them when I don't know them, Like a
level of apprehension that was in America was not there
in Africa.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
And it started dawn on me that like meeting they
didn't they didn't look at you the same. Yeah, it
was a level of Yo, this is our ship. We hear,
we comfortable, we're not tripping off you. We're not worried.
You're not a threat. You're not. I don't look down
on you, don't look up at you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
You just are what you are because you know, this
is our country and you're a guest.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
You're a guest in our country, and we're friendly, we're
happy you be here. But this is our ship, and
you know this is our ship. President's black, the whole government's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Black, the post man is black, the book man is black.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
You just you're the outsider here, you know, but you're
welcome or anything else like that. You start to realize
that in America, but there's not the history of slavery
and the you know, the Jim Crow laws and the
white only bathrooms and the bullshit anything else like that
in that country. You realize, okay, a lot of the

(01:36:03):
tension that happens because of the history in America, and
you have to go somewhere else to realize it because
you're just in it. Twenty four to seven. You live
there to a waterfall, you don't hear the waterfall.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
There's the waterfall.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
You go away from the waterfall, you realize, oh, it's
not so loud over here. For the first time ever
in life. And that's that's what I realized. It was like, okay,
not That's why it's so important for people to travel
out of the country. And see and see other shit,
because America is not Yes, that's country on earth, whatever,
It's not the only country on Earth. You have to
see other places and see the similarities and the differences,

(01:36:35):
because there's all there is differences, you know what I'm saying.
And it just made me realize, Okay, Like you know,
I remember, like like Richard Pryor talked about the first
time he went to Africa, like like he never used
the N word after.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
That, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Like like it changes you've seen shit like that, It
changes you on different levels depending on who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
So like I said, of course, I'm going to be
racially insensitive to a certain things, you know what I mean.
And I think to a certain degree people tune in
for that because I do have a large white, you know,
white fan base of hip hop kids who are thinking
the same things that I'm thinking, and they're relating to
me as a white kid who loves hip hop talking

(01:37:18):
to someone who isn't white about these very serious topics,
something that they'll never get to do. They'll just watch
it on the internet, you know what I'm saying. So
it is what it is. So yeah, I'm absolutely guilty
of it, and I try to work on it on
a daily basis.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
I'll tell you this, digg, go right there, my friend,
when we go out jogging, he jumps in front of
cars because he loses his white privilege to the fulls
by the way, I enjoy it. I enjoy he just

(01:37:54):
right it from the cart. He ain't no white person.
It's just a fact. Walks over there. You're gonna give
a fuck. He's swinging his arms, jump in front of
any car.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
He doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
The only time I disagree with him is a child
who was out. Hat came off and he was just
gonna run.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
It's like, fuck that child, Fuck that hat too. He's
about to die.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
He thought he was gonna run in front of the
fucking highway to get a hat. And the parents didn't
even move. We said, diego, you gonna move your ass.
But we were in Amsterdam, and I look at it.
I'm smoking cigarettes as the time, and I look they're

(01:38:44):
only watching me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
I'm supposing to be the privileged person. You know. Fuck that,
I am the privileged person. I guess right, Diggle, you did.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
So, I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go outside of smokingigarette.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
I smoked cigarettes at the time. I'm going outside smoking
a cigarette.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Every single time I walked through the door, they stopped
me and say, you can't bring your drink out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
My friend right there, I just don't like this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Gave it to him and he walked right out of
the front door.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Uh oh, he had his.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
And we go outside and I'm just looking at the security.
You bitch as drinking. I'm double fisting too, like smoking
a cigarette. And then I did it twelve times. But
did they stop me every twelve times they said you
can't drink? And I was just like, all right, cool,

(01:39:47):
I got good white people that was with me, and
I was just.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
But that's that's fucking And you know where we was at?
Where was at? I said, where was at? Amsterdam?

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Amsterdam and one of the most limerous three countries that
spoke marijuana.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I've been there multiple times. So it does exist. Racism
is everywhere, bro, of course it is.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
You can't pretend that it doesn't, and you can't deny
the effects of that history because there's you know, I
have interviewed Bill Duke who had grandparents that were coming
out of slavery, like you know, like really I believe

(01:40:34):
was he alive when the M Matil news broke.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
I think it did? I think he was?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Yeah, he remembers the m. Mattil story. You know, so
you got people alive right now that dealt with that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
This is not ancient.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
This is not Jesus to just arguing over some ship
that nobody technically knows about. No, this is some real ship, man,
and can't just pretend it doesn't exist. You gotta you
gotta accepted you guys, accept your rolling it. You know
you're not gonna be a perfect person. You know you're
gonna fuck up. You know that you need good people
around you. They're gonna check you on it. Be like,

(01:41:10):
hey man, what you said here was was fucked up.
And so my guests do that. You know, the airy
spears of the world will sit there and check me
on camera. Michael Jay White will check me on camera,
and I'll run it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
You know all that. You know, Yeah, I fucked up,
my bad? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Only one last question. This is this is the one
last question. We say, isn't a trick question? Okay, old, no, no,
I got we said Boosy, Oh, okay, Boosy or Aaron
Hall this before Boosy Okay, yeah, all right, Now this
is the one last question that we say. It is

(01:41:47):
not a trick. Okay, loyalty or respect respec fee, I
mean a person. A person will be loyal to you
too in a you can't expect you get what you earn,
you know what I mean. You get what you pay

(01:42:08):
for you you you get.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
You can't expect a person to be loyal to you
when you're disrespectful to that person, you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Know what I'm saying. You can't expect loyalty to last.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Past past, like a level of comprehension that no one
really could understand.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
You know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Have a staff of people, and I understand they're going
to be loyal to me as long.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
As I pay them.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
But at the point that I can't pay them anymore,
I don't expect them to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Keep working for me for free, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
And I don't expect that they understand that I'm not
going to keep paying them if they stop working.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
And you do have friendships, and you do have principles
and everything else like that, but we're all humans, you know.
But but but the respect, that's an ongoing thing. It's
an active thing. It's happening right now. Me and you
are respecting each other right now, me being here, you know,
because of the respect I have for you and us
having that conversation and you allow me to come on

(01:43:12):
this platform with all the wars that you won and
everything else like that. This is respect that you're seeing
in action. It's not about loyalty, but you know what
I mean. The loyalty is whatever. You know what I mean,
and we haven't loyaled each other and everything else like that.
But the respect is something you have to keep working on.
It's not just something that you you know, and you

(01:43:33):
know listen. I've interviewed so many people, so many mafia
guys that went through the pricking of the finger and
gave and told that their mafia boss that if my
kids are dying and you call me, I will drop
them and go see you. And they've killed people because

(01:43:56):
they were told what to do. And they've killed their
own family members. You know, Sammy the Bull killed his
brother in law, killed his brother in law because he
was told to do that shit. Because and at some
point that loyalty expired. And all of them that I've
interviewed have said and I was gonna I was gonna

(01:44:18):
do one hundred years, and I was gonna jump out
the window. But then this happened. But then I heard
this tape of him saying this. Oh, then they threatened
my family. There's always a good excuse to be disloyal.
There's always a great excuse to be disloyal.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Yes, am I right? You disagree with you? That's ill.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
A person will always find an excuse to be disloyal
to you. Wow, will always find excuse and you may
not agree with that excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
And you yo.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
I just interviewed Tricked Daddy today, Right, this interview is
not out yet. This interview is not out, but this story,
my man, Jake, he knows. He was sitting right there
like this gotta stand truth. Daddy was in tears when
he was telling me this story.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
So, Trick Daddy's a multiplatinum artist at this point, all
his big records. He's like IBUM number five, number two
on Billboard, take it to the house, Let's go is out.
He's touring whatever else, right, And he said, like when
he got his first million dollars, he said, he told
Ted Lucas, don't give me that money.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Break it up.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
In twenty thirty thousand dollars chunks. So all the people
that are there for me, I'm gonna give him this.
I'm gonna break them all off. I'm gonna give this
person this money. This person, you know, we take care
of everyone who took care of me when I was homeless.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
And you know in the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
Street rings like that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
And he and he went back to Liberty City to
go hang out on this basketball court and he sees
one of his one of his friends.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
That he paid off back then, but felt.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
That he didn't do enough, and he said he didn't
enough or the person person felt.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
That that Trick didn't do enough for me.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
He said, Man, you're not allowed on this fucking court anymore.
I know this is you think it is your city
and whatever you you can't come back here again. I'm
still here. You can't come to this fucking court anymore.
Trick was so hurt when he heard that. And he's
holding back tears as he's telling me the story. You
don't know where interview is gonna go, right, you know you,

(01:46:24):
I'm asking you a question and then and then and
and I'm getting this react he said. He said, I
went in my car, and I got my pistol and
I pulled my pistol out of that motherfucker and I said,
your daddy got killed from someone that came back and

(01:46:46):
killed him. Your brother got killed because someone that came
back and killed him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Mofuck.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
I'm coming back and I'm going to kill you for
telling me I can't come here after everything I've.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Done for you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
And I'm gonna call your grandmother and tell her what
the fuck I just did it. And he's holding back
tears telling me this story and that motherfucker press charges
autumn suit him and he said, I did so much
for this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
I I you know what I mean. I did so much,
and I hooked him up with my sister kilt him
at that moment. He did.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
He did it luckily, but he theres repercussions to that action.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
But that that that's how upset he was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
And you would think that a motherfucker would be loyal
to you after you've done so much for him, and
he hasn't done something for you, but he'll he'll find
a reason to let you know that you're not welcome.
It's spit in your face, so so I don't I
don't want to hear about that loyalty ship that that
was disrespectful. It's about respect because that's an ongoing process
that we keep building with each other. I can't I

(01:47:43):
can't expect you to be loyal to me for something
I did yesterday if I continue to be disrespectful to
you today and tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
So yeah, that's the easy answer for him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
You ain't suosed to take a shop, but I got
a shop. Yeah that was mad deep, Holy shit, I'm
gonna take a pepiece. Oh yeah, Harry Quick, Thomas Slim,
we did everything.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
What is going on with you and Joe Biden? Wow?
Why y'all can't get along? Well, he can't get along
with me. I'm fine with him. Yeah, we can't do
like a panel together. We can't do a panel together.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
And I mean he said he told Academics he's willing
to do an interview with me on Academics platform. But
my thing is that there's so much baggage between and him,
is that we have to have a conversation like.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
I was gonna go on drink champ stop talking to
you first.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
Okay, you know what I'm saying, right, But Liten, we
don't have a one percent thing compared to what me
and Joe had.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Okay, but what happened like because all right, so how then?

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Okay, so what happened was this? Okay, this story?

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
So I did an interview Joe. Joe lived down the
street from me when I lived in Jersey. That was
Jersey boys. Yeah, two thousand and eight. I'm watching flat TV.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Hit him up. I want to do you know, hey,
you want to do an interview?

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
Cool show up to where he lives to an interview,
puts it out. Whatever life goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Is to Harry Days? Is this the Harry Days he
was dating to Harry?

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Yes, mister absolute, I'm sorry, you'll see why. So I
do the interview with Joe. Interview comes out. So life
goes on. You know, we're doing interviews, we're doing interviews,
and you know, Joe was kind of like the early
put his life out on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Him and to Harry, well, he was a blogger. There
we go. He was one of the early hip hop bloggers.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
So he's putting out his stuff blah blah, and I'm
I'm following his stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
I'm following his YouTube channel whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
And I go and watch a video and He's dissing
this rapper named Ransom, right. He was like, oh yeah,
Ransom is like a Honda nomal laborck. He needs or
something something something. He's just I'm like, I didn't know
who Ransom was.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
I looked him up.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
It was a dope rapper out of Jersey, you know.
So we reached out to Ransom. It's like, hey, you know,
we see.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Okay, let me stop you right there. I gotta be
this guy today. You have a relationship with Joe. I
did an interview with Joe. That doesn't make difference in
one interview. That's true, one interview.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
But most of us, I gotta be Devil's advocate. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Once I do an interview for you, I kind of
feel like I have.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
A relationship with you to a certain extent.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
So do you think that Joe automatically thought that damn,
how the hell I just did an interview with him,
and now he's going to interview my enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
You think that could that be where it started? I'm
not sure. Okay, absolutely, and I take responsibility for that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Okay, I understand that. You also got to understand that
in today's climate, you just go on Instagram and you
make a response video and then everyone picks it up
and then bold, let me represent for you. This is
before YouTube. I mean, it's before Instagram, before even Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Twitter was let me represent for you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
There's been times I've done black interviews and I I
regretted what I said. I hold you yeah, and you
honored me, yes, sir, So okay, continue, I just want
I just want to be clear of that. Yeah, there's
been times, plenty of times I called you, I said,
you know what, I might have not been in the
right frame of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
I remember we did the interview in your hotel room.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Yep, yep, you called me up and you had me
cut out like ninety percent of it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Yeah, my man, right man. I think the Kevin Gates
part was the only part that you're.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Okay, the leading and then that's the Kevin Gates.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
Yeah. I like Kevin Gates.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Yeah, no, no, no, the part about his cousin like cousin, Yeah,
sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
A funny moment. I said, I keep this from you.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
I think, fine, I keep this on it, but everything
else I took out. Okay, yes, you actual take you
know something. This is like a professional courtesy in the business,
because I do interviews on other platforms. I called him
up and said, hey, can take this part out, like
I didn't Breakfast Club. It's one part where I felt like,
as well of this guy is going to turn into
a big fucking thing, so you take it out.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
They took it out.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
Life goes on, you know what I'm saying, and usually
before it comes out, that's the time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
To ask not to write it out. And I do
that for you. People do it for me. Whatever. Right,
So Joe talks about.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Ransom and we hit up Ransom say hey, do you
want to respond?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Ransom's like absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Hell, yeah, I want to respond. So I send one
of my camera people to go interview Ransom. Ransom responds
and then he raises it up a notch. He starts, Yeah,
Ransom starts talking about how Fabulous was messing with Tahari,
which I guess is the truth because they used to
date before Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Whatever else.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Joe went ballistic after seeing this interview and decided to
get a crew together and then take it from a
war of words to actually a physical situation. And he
goes and goes on Ransom's block and some sort of
altercation happens. How do you have anything to do with that,
because I will and I'll explain to you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
I'll I'll explain to you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Right, an altercation happens when Ransom I guess, like a
gunshot was involved and stuff like that. It was serious.
But she don't really know any of this yet until
Joe puts out his response video bragging about what just
happened and threatening Ransom that if he says anything, he's

(01:53:27):
going to put out the video of the altercation.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
So we put that up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
I mean, we put that on the site, and you know,
we're covering the back and forth, so you know, because
lat tv dot com is a news site. So then
we get a call from Ransom and he was like, yo,
I got a video I want to give you that
I want you all to post. Ransom mistakenly on math
Hoffa said that I was filming it or something. I

(01:53:53):
wasn't even there. I wasn't there for either of the filmings.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
So Ransom said that on map.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Hop math hoff I was like, oh, Lad was not
there when we interviewed him about the Joe situation. Lad
was definitely not there when he handed me this video
that he shot by himself, and when we watched the
video it's Ransom and his crew walking up to one
of Joe Bunns people, not Joe, not Joe, one of

(01:54:20):
Joe buns people confronting him about what had just happened,
and Ransom's man slapping Joe Bunds too in the video,
and we put that out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
And then Joe Bunden.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Basically makes the video and the responses like, fine, Ransom,
you win, Glad you win.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Y'all are stupider than me, you know, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
Are fucking ridiculously, Nah, fuck this, I ain't doing this
dumb shit anymore, whatever, whatever, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Ransom as I'm going to jail over some shit over
something else, well.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Over the situation that happened and the video that he
wanted to put out. I think ultimately was was involved
in that, the video that he gave me to put out,
the video that he provided formul This is the.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Ways why people think you work with the police. That's
the reason why right there, which is yeah, because that
you know ship like that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
We said that the video is him, is one of
his mans slapping somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
He didn't go to jail. Fact, he posted it. He
asked me to post it. But you don't have to
pooke it, but of course I don't. But he you know,
there's repercussions to those videos.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
He asked me to post it. It's a it's a
slapping video. I didn't even know about any of the
gunshot shit or whatever else. It's a slapping video. Like
what is that a misdemeanor?

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
If that? Seriously?

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
But it could snowballs. I guess that's what people will
say that, like would you do that today? Would I
do that today?

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Would you?

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Would you continue back and forth knowing that it could
spiral out of control? No?

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
Yeah, see, but this is but this is but this
is me at fifty, right, you know, we were you know,
but I also what I'm fifty fifty, a fifty years
old now, yet at thirty exactly, which was my age
as a thirty four year old, you know what I mean.
But you also realized that, Okay, I'm going to pass

(01:56:15):
on it, but someone else is going to put it out, right,
you know what I mean? So me not putting it
out really makes no difference at this point, right, But
that's also right, but somebody, but there's lots of stuff
I don't put out there. There's lots of stuff that
crosses my desk and I'll actually call the person up
and I'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
Listen, I just got this video or I just got this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:33):
Paperwork and it's about you, and it's legitimate, and I'm
not going to put it out, but I'm letting you
know that it's out there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
But as somebody else said, what else might And I'm
going to give you an early warning on this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
But I don't need to be the guy at the
edge of all the drama anymore. Like but you know,
this was a very different hungry Flad back then, you
know what I mean. And this was very early in
the Internet, and this was very it's normal now.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
It wasn't normal back then.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
And because of that chain of events, and you know,
and it just turned into a fuck you from both ends.
For the next however many years, they'd be fuck Flad
and they'd be like funck Joe. He would say some
shit I was, and he would do an interview and
I would be brought up and I'll do anything a
boy him and he'd be brought up. And he just
went back and forth, went back and forth, you know.
But but in my eyes him and Ransom are cool now,

(01:57:22):
and that's who we really got into it. That's who
really the altercation happened. I'm just covering it. Him and
Ransom are cool. He's still mad at me. I'm always like,
I'm not tripping, Like, if Joe wants to get on
the phone with me later today, I'll have a conversation
with him and I'll take responsibility for the.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Mistakes that I made.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
I don't know if he will, but it doesn't matter,
you know what I mean, and you know what I mean.
Will we can we do business at one point? Of
course we can. That's really more on him, but we
can't just think about it when me and you had
our tension. I'm notally gonna come do drink Champs not
knowing what I'm walking into, you know what i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Could be an.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
Ambush like ambush dream No.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
But I'm saying, you know, you don't know. Your past
is the past. Your past is a past.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
But what I'm saying is like, yeah, so so that
that's really the me and Joe story, And neither one
of us were scared of another each other. We all
have money, we all have security, we all have guns
like we all.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
We all men.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
We all have gotten to this point by standing up
on our on our you know, principles and ideals. We
both have big fan bases, like, you know, it is
what it is that that's that's me and Joe in a
nut show. But I've always said, like it's not that serious.
I've been way more serious ship than than what me
and Joe have gone through. Like that's is light as
far as I'm concerned. So if he ever wants to

(01:58:39):
have a conversation with me, but you know, he just
had doctor Umar Johnson on and well my name when
Umar brought up my name is like fuck Glad, you know,
so clearly hear well, no Umar brought my name up
when talking about that, say, oh, Umar just was like
I'm out here building schools. DJ Blad ain't building schools.

(01:59:01):
Also not taking money for the schools that haven't been
launched yet. But that's another story. But when he said that,
Joe's like fuck flag oh fuck, but whatever, it's fuck
Glad like but it's just words like you know what
I mean, but it is that, you know, But it's
like I funck Joe too, you know, And this is
and this is how we keep probing and this may

(01:59:21):
be past our lifetime, so who knows, but.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
I'm not tripping, but I'm really I'm really have no.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
Animosity towards him at all. I am happy for his success.
He's really carved out a lane. I feel that he
is also like one of the few popular podcasts that
do well without external guests. The rest of us really
revolves around the quality of our guests. He's able to

(01:59:50):
pull it together with his own crew of people, and
sometimes he has guests, sometimes he doesn't, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
What I mean, So he has to. You have to
give up props for that. Any helped pioneer the space. Yeah, everybody,
at least hip hop.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
Sure, absolutely, man, and he deserves all the money in
the accolades that that that he's been getting. I've never
hated on Joe and his business on any level, but
you know, it's fuck me, fuck you too. That's basically
we take a shot. Sure, let's follow solo solo.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
Oh shit, that's the moment Wan Nos coming out sallow.
I heard Elliott Wilson say recently, Yeah, he was like
journalism and being media used to be corny, used to
be like people used to like stab you for having

(02:00:39):
an opinion, and now everybody wants to be media have
you ever a sore this day coming.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
I mean, I'm not surprised, meaning meaning that, well, I mean,
let's let's just let's just keep it one hund keep
it on it Like, there's just a lot more money
in it now people realize that, right, So so you could,
you could paint it how you want to paint it,
but there's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Just a lot more money in it. And social media
has everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
Yeah, and it's easier to build up a following and
and you know what I'm saying, and especially if you're
already a celebrity and have like Kiki Palmer has a
fucking podcast, Pharrell Farrell has a podcast, Like who could
Farrell not get? Like I was supposed to go, like
I compete with Farrell?

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Do you know how hard that is? It's not fucking fair.
Not only easy Farrell the mega producer, but now he's
thehead of Louis Vinell. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
You might get some some exclusive Louise sneakers at some
point for saying, yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
It took me so long. I had a whole Louis.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
Outfit and I was like, damn fuck, if I'm wear this,
I'm gonna fuck up, And I said, you know what,
I'm beeting with Fat Joe.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
Fed Joe brought me this sweater. He brought me to
sweater like who was there? No, not three hours ago,
so six months ago. I couldn't fit it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
So I had to have a meeting with Fat Joe
kind of mean and I was like, I kind of
wear this, and I was like it was it's.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Just worked perfect. But but I'm proud of for real
taking over Louis. But fucking they didn't. He did super
dug Amen? What what? What? What? Amen?

Speaker 4 (02:02:33):
That was the record I was playing when I moved
to New York.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
Home Boy I came to girl was looking at me.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
That that be.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
One of the greatest beats of hip hop. Yes right,
I'm supposed to.

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
Compete with this. Motherfucking when it comes to guests, got
sins on the show? Yes, yes, I'm supposed to compete
with that. I'm supposed to compete with that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
DJ Blag. I'm not gonna lie. How do you feel
about Saye Low? I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
I haven't watched any of his interviews. You know, I mean,
listen interview. You work for Apple. You're gonna get Apple?
Like you know what I mean, you don't get people
one of the big platforms, like working for Spotify, you're
gonna get You're gonna get special treatment and special favors
and everything else like that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
I haven't watched enough of his stuff to say is
good or bad. I'm not just gonna It's not like
I'm hating or jealous of it. You know, No, No,
he has his role. But you know he doesn't own
his own content and everything else like that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:27):
He he has his own role in what he does,
and you know he gets a lot of big guests
and everything else like that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
It's him and I do differently. But but to answer
your question, there's just a lot more money in it
right now. Yes, And when you're already a celebrity, it's
much easy. And you know when people come to me
and say, hey, I want to start a podcast, what
do you think I should do?

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
I always tell him the same thing.

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
All the big podcasts, when you look at the landscape,
they're only because of the guests that they can get consistence, right, Kodak,
Black Kanye, You know what I'm saying, Like the level
of guests that you guys have gotten, nas like you know,

(02:04:17):
I remember back when you and I were talking. I
congratulate you for that, like you are where you are, yes,
because of Nori and efn I get it. You take
away all those big guests and it's drink Champs is
a very different drink Champs. You know what I'm saying.
It's just we're just keeping winder. You take glads guests away,
and if it's just me, like it's a very different
flat TV. You take away Boosy, you take away Yyo,

(02:04:39):
would take away you know, the Mike Tyson's in the
world like whatever. Like you know, so you're already a celebrity,
you already have relationships.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
What's the story you tell? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
No, but well you know and yeah, I mean listen,
there is a skill set. But you know, you get
the right guests and you figure out how to do this.
You know, it's not like Shannon Sharp had to do
a whole lot with Kat.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
Williams right right, Carl Williams let go right.

Speaker 4 (02:05:03):
Shanna is oozy loaded loaded like he loaded Yeah, and
he had an extra clip in his two ears.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Yes, he was read the ship and sucks. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
You're like, where'd you pull out there and taking level
Sandy Show or not. But Shannon essentially just had to
press the record button, sit back if she wand not
talk during that whole interview. They just let Cat be Cat.
It would be just as impactful. Yes, you know what
I'm saying very true.

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
But my only pushback to that is that it's consistency too,
because those are anomalies when you have those big you know,
episodes or whatever. Guess because when we started Drink Champs,
not even CBS who distributors believed in it really that much.
They were like, let's see do some demos, and we
did a couple of episodes and and it just it

(02:05:52):
took off because I think at that time we caught
lightning in a bottle. It was it was also the
environment that we were getting people that people kind of
had forgotten about a little it, and we're bringing back
these stories and rehashing this stuff. And I think that
that's a big component for a lot of podcasts, finding
your own lane, being consistent and yeah, of course you
get big guests on a certain consistent basis.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Again you're consistency and everything else like that, And now
you want another shot, I just got I just him
the shop. So so this is so great because you you.

Speaker 8 (02:06:23):
Know, but.

Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
Now now the space is a lot more crowded since COVID.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
That's what everybody ever everyone.

Speaker 4 (02:06:34):
Started podcast Now now you have actors, athletes, everybody, you know,
wives of CEOs, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Everything, rock everything, everything, Everyone.

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
Got podcasts and yo, you know it's you know, it
was much easier to get interviews in two thousand and
eight when I launched flat TV than it is now.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
You know, I mean, he's you're a certain degree because
we have.

Speaker 4 (02:07:03):
The relationships, that we have the track record, and we
have budgets and anything else like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
But you know, listen that I mean, I'm competing. It's
far l But I am like when I see for
all interviews like I got to outdo that, you really
feel you're competing with him. I know what he means.
I know what he means, but I just don't see
the comparison to competing. But he's one main correer I am.

Speaker 4 (02:07:26):
There is a pair of eyeballs that I want to
go to my channel as opposed to his.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
All right, let me just don't say.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
Will go to yours is not necessarily not necessarily I'm
just saying it could.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
I'm saying, you want to what's the most important thing
you got is time and time is limited, you see
what I'm saying. So so you could say that, but
I first only has a short sur amount of.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Time to watch.

Speaker 3 (02:07:49):
You got to remember, you're one of the most loyalist
people ever. When we had Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
At Rock the Bells or Wave, we didn't have Kendrick Lamore.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
No, we never had them saying that he was supposed
to come to the Lady.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
That ship right once I tweeted it. I tweeted you
got questions for uh chiusting Lamar?

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
And then it was rolling loud that he was coming
to myrow loud.

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
Then all of a sudden people called us and was
like the interview is not happening along and then zaying
Lowe have it and let me just say something because
I'm not going as Zaye low at all. I'm never
like actually just saying low just the politics that come
along with Zaye Law.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
It's not him using that as an example.

Speaker 3 (02:08:37):
I love Larry Jackson, I love everybody, but they didn't
understand what was going on.

Speaker 1 (02:08:43):
I did, because that interview was gone very fast.

Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
Shy don't renounce ship until it's already done, unless it's
a regular guest that I know that no one could
throw money ship. Yeah, you know, I'll say, hey, what
do y'all want to want me? You know, like like
I have like a community section, like a paid member
section of lat TV, So I go to the members
to be like, hey, whish has.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
Boosy my next interview? Cause I know that no one
could stop an interview between me and Boosey. It's just impossible,
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:09:16):
But if I had a Kendrick interview in the bag,
I wouldn't tell myself about it, you know, just.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
In defense and to explain that situation. It was the
label setting it up, and then he got in late
and he was headlining rolling out, he had to get
straight to the stage. Yes, very true. So we were
cutting it clothes with that one. Yeah, but you still
could make shit happen. You want to make sure.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
But now when the thing is, you don't know how
the communication is with his team, and when.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
The label setting it up.

Speaker 4 (02:09:45):
You know that we haven't had a TD interview since
like twenty ten. It was the InterScript that was actually
those you know and me and Top know each other.
He called me last year, like, you know, we weren't neighbors.

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
I think. Actually, so it is what it is, man,
it is what it is. Are you satisfied with what
hip hop has presented to you?

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
It's surpassed my expectation this past man, Like like I
started later, like I moved, like I became. I was
doing hip hop full time when I was about twenty
eight twenty nine. I wasn't like you that that started
as a team. Yes, I just grew up into it
and always has been part of it, and grew up

(02:10:32):
in a section surrounded by rappers, you know what I mean,
like like you grew up around the nases and the
mob deeps that came later to me in life, and then.

Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
I just thought it would be a hobby, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (02:10:50):
To realize one day, like I'm actually part of this,
Like I'm legitimately part of this. Hip hop fans are
fans of dj vladd A vlad Group no A Vladislav Lubufney,
the name I was born with a kid from Ukraine

(02:11:13):
that didn't speak English when he was born. That now
I'm actually a real that's worth worth more than me
than any check or any you know, award or trophy
or car, house or piece of clothing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
It's like I'm actually part of the hip hop story
in my own way.

Speaker 4 (02:11:34):
I'm not a rapper, I'm not a producer, right, I
don't sign artists, but I do what I do, and
I do it at the highest level, and I have
millions of people tune in every day to hear what
the fuck I got to say in this genre that
I love that I've devoted a large chunk of my
life to really at this point, yeah, they're from about

(02:11:58):
twenty Yeah, I'm almost half my life to you at
this point. Like I didn't think this was realistically gonna happen,
did I? Was I watching you OMTV raps say yeah,
I'm going to be the next head lover. Did I
read Double XL saying and The Source and say, yeah,
one day I'm gonna have a mediolgist bigger than both

(02:12:19):
of these motherfucking mediatists, which today is true?

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (02:12:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
Lad TV is you combine Double XL and.

Speaker 4 (02:12:26):
The Source and you don't have a lad TV daily
impact on any level? It is what it is, you know,
shout out to the Freshman issue and that's where it
ends for double X.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:12:37):
So it's like the fact that I know that I'm
part of this legitimately, and yeah, you gonna have your detractors.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
That's fine, everyone does, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:12:47):
Not everyone is a jay Z fan, not everyone as
a NAS fan, not everyone's a Biggie and a Pock fan.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
But to know that I'm legitimately.

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
Part of it has so exceeded my expectations because I
didn't think this was realistically ever possible when I was
listening to the first CZ album. You you came from
a different mind state because early on it was clear
that you were going to be part of this. You know,
how old will you see? Ann album came out nineteen?

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
How old were you? Hold?

Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
Are you? I was seventeen, That's what I'm your teenager
my junior year in high school.

Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
You're gonna tell me that I'm gonna be part of
hip hop?

Speaker 4 (02:13:20):
Savontel, California, white kid named vlad Lo loved he fuck
out of here?

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
Come on joke? So, so what do you want with?
What would you want your legacy to be known as
in hip hop?

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
Ultimately to take my ego out of it, because my
ego is gonna go away when I go away. But
when you look at the vlad TV catalog, the type
of interviews that we do are life story pieces. That's five, right,
That's what I do. When I met up with Trick
Daddy today, we started birth in Liberty City and we

(02:14:03):
talked about his mom who had eleven kids by ten
different men, and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
His mom had.

Speaker 4 (02:14:12):
Eleven kids by ten different men, and then his dad
had about ten kids as well. So there's you know whatever,
you have three you know, two dozen you know kids
you know like and we take it piece by piece
through this through through these set of events leading up
to how he first started rapping, you know what I mean,

(02:14:33):
the trials and tribulations and all the albums and all
the big songs to where we are right now. My
collection of life pieces on important people of this era
is probably the biggest collection in the hip hop space.
And the hip hop space includes people like John Witherspoon,

(02:14:53):
who did his only life story piece with me. You know,
it includes people that passed away they never got to
tell their life story.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
Outside of lad TV. We have that collection, that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:07):
Catalog that, unless someone manages to destroy it somehow, will
be around for thousands of years way past. My family
will be able to benefit from this. But you know,
that's cool. But when people write report like when you
you know, like you watch a movie like Boomerang and

(02:15:27):
you're like, yo, the mushall belt guy, like this guy's
you watch Friday, Yo, Pop's like yo, who is this guy?
There's only one place to find out who he really is. Yes,
there's pieces, there's interviews that you could piece together and
somehow mush it together, but to hear about how he.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Became who he is.

Speaker 4 (02:15:43):
But we're the only ones that actually bothered to do
the research and put our resources into that. And that's
what I want the legacy to be, to leave behind
these stories for people later on that were important to
me and were import and millions of other people and
made an impact. Were exceptional people, whether they're actors, whether

(02:16:05):
they're athletes, like a Vander you know, like like a
Pete Rose, who I just interviewed, who will never make
the Hall of Fame because of the gambling, but he
has more hits than any other person probably ever for
the rest of baseball. To to the you know, the
great producers like you know Rodney Jerkins or Teddy Riley,

(02:16:25):
to the great singers like Sha Ka Khan or Smokey
Robinson to to people's first interviews like the Migos, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
What I'm saying, Like, Yeah, it was was with me
get in.

Speaker 4 (02:16:38):
Atlanta, first ever, first ever, first ever, no I was
in Atlanta, and Coach K was like, I was trying
to get a Gucci interview, a Gucci man interview, and
he was Gucci was being regular Gucci before he got
clone and Coach K was was was like managing him,
and I was like, you know, I can I get

(02:16:59):
a Gucci in you?

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
I got you, I got you, But can you first
interview this new group you know, we're pushing it right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
Now called the Ovation and you a research driven person, I.

Speaker 4 (02:17:08):
Just had to make it work and set off set well,
you know, I just asked a few kind of general questions,
got a little information from there, and you know, it
was a relatively generic opset was locked up at the time,
so it was really just Clavo and take off, you
know what I'm saying. But but that was their first
ever ever interview with them, you know. So so the
these pieces that you know can be upscale through AI

(02:17:32):
and you know, you create four K versions of it,
even though they're they're low quality, you know, you know,
which we've been doing with some of our older catalog
pieces like like these are these are important pieces, man.

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
The KVD interview is an important piece.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
That's an important piece because KIF only told the story
completely for the first time ever on lad TV and
you saw what happened with all that. That's that's the
real legacy that I want to leave behind. And I
think that's an important thing. And you know what I mean,
And yes, yes I do. Me and Busy we rock out.

(02:18:07):
We talk about current events and everything else like that,
and that gets ten, fifteen to twenty million views sometimes
and that's dope, right, But the underlying you know, that's
almost the engine that kind of drives.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
The underlying purpose, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:18:22):
You always got to do different stuff to get what
it is that you really want to accomplish. I mean,
it's a good way to accomplish it. Wellse's my man.
These are fun interviews, you know, but like yo, like
these stories that a lot of times are being told
for the first time ever. Not everyone's going to get
a documentary about them, but a lot of people have
lat TV pieces of them telling.

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
Their own story. Right, what is flat TV documentary coming out?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
World Star asked me if I wanted to do and
I'm like, I'm good a documentary on me document that's
kind of fun. Yeah, but it was you know, it
wasn't any sort of real you know, there wasn't a
budget or anything.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:18:59):
If I do it, I feel like, yeah, no, I
mean you own material, correct, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
I own everything? Yes.

Speaker 4 (02:19:05):
I mean, look, if someone you know it's not like
I mean, if a director that I really admired, like
if Hype Williams want to do a flat.

Speaker 1 (02:19:16):
TV documentary, yeah, let's let's rock out do it. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:19:19):
Because I'm sorry, Yeah, Brett Ratner, like you know, someone
who I admire, you know, visually in terms of how
they put pieces?

Speaker 1 (02:19:29):
What's that? Who's that?

Speaker 3 (02:19:32):
I know the name, but remind me who he is?
That was like another director? Yeah, director of hip hop?
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:19:42):
Fab five Freddy if you wanted to with me, yeah,
I got you know, I know Fab, I've interviewed fab
But you know what I mean, Like someone like that,
if they wanted to come do some ship, you know
what I mean. I'm sure world Star meant well, but
you know what I mean. But what I'm saying is, yeah,
if they want to come do some ship, and you know,
I think there's more. I don't think I've reached my
peak yet, you know, I mean I feel I have

(02:20:04):
to reach more of a peak in order to think
about something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
I still have years left.

Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
Because when we look at your website, it's similar to Netflix.
The only difference is you don't give us the number one, two, three,
interview or whatever I want, but you give us the
numbers Netflix does not. Right, do you think les's a mistake? Well,
I mean the website is the website. That's always been
a secondary part of the business. YouTube channel is the

(02:20:30):
YouTube channel. And you can see the number size.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, that's like ninety percent of the business.
So you can, all right, so explain that. What happens
to you if YouTube changes in the way you can monetize.
Do you have a plan for that? Well, I'll put
it like this.

Speaker 4 (02:20:55):
Number one, There's always going to be a place to
put great content, create dope content, and there will always
be a way for people to find it and you
to put it somewhere, whether you find it now, whether
it's YouTube or Snapchat that we use these days, or
with Facebook that's a constant fucking nightmare for us, or

(02:21:16):
if it's Netflix or Amazon or something else like that,
there will always be a place. And you know, it
may not be the way we do interviews, do ten
clips to day. It may just be one powerful piece
a year, right, you know, But you also don't know
what the future holds. You would like to say that,

(02:21:37):
but you also don't know where. There might be a
day that let's just say YouTube totally. Let's just say
YouTube shutdown. You know, YouTube shutdown. There's no other place
for independent content like mine. I've lived my life financially
pretty conservatively. I've invested, you know, I've always pushed the

(02:21:58):
whole stock investment stuff like that, you know what I mean.
I own my house outright. I don't buy shit I
can't afford. I could always if I need to cut
shit off and live, you know, I could. I could
technically live out the rest of my days with what
I've accumulated right now. And I mean, I'd have to

(02:22:19):
tone down my lifestyle. I wouldn't go shopping as much
as I do now, but whatever, who cares shopping like
I could live out the rest of my life comfortably
based on how I've lived my life up to this point.
I've never lived on the edge because I've lost it all.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
At one, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:22:36):
Like I've when I moved to New York, I was
homeless because I've fucked off all my money before, so
I knew, you know, when you.

Speaker 1 (02:22:43):
Lose it all.

Speaker 4 (02:22:45):
That's the best teacher ever of how not to lose
it all because the back of your mind you always
remember how you lost it, and it's possible. You always
remember it. It's always possible. So hey man, for it
all ends, there was a great fucking run.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
We you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:23:00):
Our YouTube channel is like three billion views all together.
That's like the whole country of China.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
Like you know what I mean, Like I've I walk around,
I get loved.

Speaker 4 (02:23:12):
People want to say photos with me, They tell me
how much you know, they'll they'll talk about certain interviews
that connected with them, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like I've helped I've helped people out, I've put people
on you know, I think really Like I remember Birdman,
you know, the first time we spoke, he was like
you the first one that really kind of mixed business

(02:23:35):
with interviews. Interviews have always been kind of a free
thing in the media world, and you started paying some
of your guests, and to turn you've turned into real businesses.
And you know what I mean, Like Lunell you know,
talked about you know, recently because she put this out publicly.
I never said anything, but publicly the comedian was like
she publicly said, like how I was one of the

(02:23:55):
few people when when the pandemic hit and she was
fucked up because she couldn't tour. I was one of
the few people that helped her out financially to make
sure she was okay. You know what I'm saying, Like
like I've put I've easily put millions of dollars in
people's pockets, you know, for just you know, like the
Tony Yao's of the world found new careers of just
doing interviews, you know what I mean, like actually supporting

(02:24:18):
part of their lifestyle through just beating up and talking
talking shit with people, Like you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
Know what I'm saying. So, man, I'm good with that.

Speaker 4 (02:24:27):
It's been a sixteen year run at this point, Like god, damn,
if it all, if it all ends after drinks champs
like it was a hell of.

Speaker 1 (02:24:39):
A fucking run. Man, I've done a lot. I've done
more than I ever thought I would do. Let's talk
about Dame Dash. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:24:47):
It felt like you guys had a relationship. Yes, it
felt like and then it just went ball downhill, all
down here. I can't understand. I swould have God like
you say, do research. I've literally tried to understand where
this started.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
At sure and not find it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
I mean maybe because you guys are too honorable guys,
and I don't knows you.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
Tell me where this went wrong. So let me just
start out with this.

Speaker 4 (02:25:23):
All of us admired Dame Dash, all of us what
he pulled off as one third of Rockefeller and the
epic heights of this.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
And Dame, I know you're gonna watch this, so you know,
listen to what I'm saying right now.

Speaker 4 (02:25:40):
Everyone loved Dame and what he represented, his bravado and
his the way he approached things and everything else like that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
We all loved it.

Speaker 4 (02:25:49):
So when I had a chance to interview Dame, I
was excited. And I did an interview with Dave. It
went well.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
He was in la.

Speaker 4 (02:26:00):
Hey, can you come down and do an interview on
my platform. You had like this rental house in Malibu.
Cool went down to the interview.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Cool. She was to him his house, went to his house.

Speaker 4 (02:26:11):
Then I invited him to my personal house in Calabasas.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
At the time he came over, he chopped it up.
He invited me to his house.

Speaker 4 (02:26:19):
So this is two interviews. These aren't interviews anymore. We're
just hanging out. There was two interviews and then he
comes to hang out and just hang out and talk.
Cool smoke. We're building relationship, you know. Then I go,
I go to his house and we're talking and he
was like, yeah, I want you to be president of
my company. I'll give you twenty percent or so. I'm like,

(02:26:41):
I'm good, Dame, I'm home and shit, you know. And
Dame at that time, it is like kind of like
started sneak this in. He's like saying, my sneakers are fake,
and you know, kind of like little little sideway shit,
and you know, I'm running a sneaker site, Like come on,
like I'm not wearing spake sneakers. He just doesn't know sneakers,
you know what I mean. He just didn't know what
he was talking about. In that case, but he's you know,

(02:27:02):
he's he's making little snide comments about my contents stuff
like that. Cool whatever, he was like. I was like, yo, uh,
why don't we me and you actually did this? At
one point. I'm like, hey, when you some of the
content you're creating, why didn't you let us run it

(02:27:25):
on our channel and we'll split the profits with you.
I mean, you do that for a short time at
one point, you know, because we already have the followers whatever,
you know, I mean, we have the deal with Complex.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
And he was like, well, now, why would I do that?

Speaker 4 (02:27:38):
Why don't you just send me, you know, get introduce
me to the Complex so I can get a deal
over there. Cool, introduce me to the president of Complex,
you know what I'm saying. So that's nah, No, it
was I don't want to say his name, accomplice, you know,
I don't want to put him on blast.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
So then.

Speaker 4 (02:27:57):
We kind of, you know, the relationship. He was kind
of going, whatever. I asked him, Hey, you know, like
like Jay Jay did something and I said, hey, do
you want to comment on this? You know, do you
want to interview to comment on on this this thing
with Jay because we all know that he talks about
Jay a lot. It just is what it is to
to this day, He's like, yo, why would I comment

(02:28:19):
on what another man does?

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
All right? Cool?

Speaker 4 (02:28:23):
Then like three days later he doesn't interview comedy about Jay,
you know, and I hit him.

Speaker 1 (02:28:27):
I'm like, yeah, I thought subject exact same thing that
I said he wanted to do. But whatever. I hit him.

Speaker 4 (02:28:32):
I'm like, hey, why would you that's actually you don't
want to comment on it. And then it started sort
of like a bad exchange.

Speaker 3 (02:28:38):
Because he felt like you thought that he was obligated
to you.

Speaker 4 (02:28:42):
Well he wasn't obligating to me. But it's like, why
would you tell me you don't want to talk about it?
Just talk about himself? It doesn't It doesn't make sense
to me. But now, I mean, just as someone who
I'm building relationship just explained to me, either you don't
want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:28:52):
It or you say he could just not. I just
want to talk about it myself.

Speaker 4 (02:28:55):
On my own platform, right, cool, no problem, But hey,
I don't want to talk about it, then you talk
about So it was just a weird, weird exchange, and
it got to the point where it's like the exchange
started to kind of go bad. Like you know, now
we're now we're kind of starting to talk shit to
each other, and I'm like, all right, cool this is
to each other. Well, we're texting back and forth and
the conversation is getting a little aggressive on both sides.

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
Right, But I'm like, I whatever it is, what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:29:22):
Dame likes to call everyone chatty patty, all right, or
culture vulture.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
So he started with chatty patty with you.

Speaker 4 (02:29:30):
It wasn't what I'm just saying in general, right, I'm
not saying he's calling me a chatty patty in the text.
I'm just saying as a whole he calls people chatty patties.
He caused people culture vulture. Okay, right, Yes, me and
him had this private exchange. Dame decides to make a
video about our conversation. No talking about what, dissing me
in the video and talking shit about me.

Speaker 8 (02:29:52):
What.

Speaker 4 (02:29:53):
Yeah, but he made a video talking about our conversation
and our falling out. But I'm but I'm the chatty patty,
but he's He's the one that made this whole thing
public when I felt like it just could have been
worked out privately between the two of us. I'm not
saying anything publicly about it, Like this is you've been
in my house. I've been to your house, Like why

(02:30:14):
are you suddenly making videos about me? When I thought
we had a private relationship.

Speaker 1 (02:30:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:30:19):
And then on top of that, remember I told her
I set them up with Complex. Yes, Dame doesn't understand
how video business works, you know. They he puts these
videos out, they're getting whatever, five hundred thousand views.

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
He gets to check from Complex. That's not very big.

Speaker 4 (02:30:37):
So he starts dissing the president that I introduced him to.

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
Publicly.

Speaker 4 (02:30:44):
Okay, this is the man that I made most of
my wealth with. So at that point I was done.
I said I'm done. Way yeah, And it was like
fuck Dame. After that, you know what I mean, He's
like fuck me, fuck you too, you know, And it
was it's been the back of ever since, right, you
know what I mean? Once again, not that deep, but

(02:31:05):
not that deep. We don't even work with Complex anymore.
It's whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:31:08):
But like the reality is is that.

Speaker 4 (02:31:11):
What I saw with him character wise just just didn't
rub me the right way, you know what I mean?
And you know, I just was like, this ain't the
type of person I could do business with and that's that.
And Dame is someone that I really looked forward to
doing business with and having on my show because his

(02:31:32):
personality is he has a dope personality and he says
a lot of interesting things, you know what I mean.
I think he could really have a real, you know,
a real strong fan base, and it's like that. But
based on our interactions, business wise, it just didn't work.
And when you get to a certain level of business,
you work with the people you like to work with.

Speaker 3 (02:31:50):
So so let me ask you, right, he could teach
me And he said that I had Lee all on here,
and I didn't ask Leo cons about him.

Speaker 1 (02:32:05):
I didn't either. I didn't need Yeah, why would I.
I feel like Emilio talked about this afterwards.

Speaker 4 (02:32:15):
I'm like, and I asked Leor this, I said, are
you the most powerful person in music right now?

Speaker 1 (02:32:20):
But of course he's going to deny it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:23):
But he's the global head of YouTube Music, which is
YouTube music one of the global not the American head,
not the North American head, not the Northern Hemisphere head,
the global head of YouTube music, and YouTube is the
biggest music platform on the planet, Spotify. It's big of

(02:32:44):
the Spotify TikTok.

Speaker 1 (02:32:46):
Amazon, Apple, whatever the fuck else new platform comes on,
you put them all together.

Speaker 4 (02:32:51):
They're not going to add up to YouTube. And my
thing was like, I you know why I told you
about the life story pieces. I have this very important
person I'm going to talk about, Dame Dash dissing him
like I'm not going to spend my time asking that.
It's more important shit to talk about, you know, like
how he became the first hip hop president of a

(02:33:14):
major label, the first before him.

Speaker 1 (02:33:19):
It's never been done with fool Leor. Yeah, you know
that once Steph jam became you know that conglomerate, he
was head of that conglomerate. People people downplays.

Speaker 2 (02:33:31):
But you do say you like to push the envelope,
So would you afford that same respect to somebody else?
Like what you did to Tyson would have been the
same thing if you would have asked le Or about Dame.

Speaker 1 (02:33:43):
Well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:33:47):
I had a limited amount of time with Day you
know what I'm saying. I had a very I'm sorry
my back. Yeah, I had a very limited time with
Lee or you know, if you watch that interviews, it's
very short.

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
It's not my usual two hours.

Speaker 4 (02:34:00):
So you know, sorry, there was I didn't really get
to get into the Rockefeller story. And and quite honestly,
you know, he actually gave Leor props in that interview,
and I was like, what, well, we all gave Dame
props or lee Or gave Dame props in that interview.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
I was like, what was it like to help create,
you know, under deaf jam these.

Speaker 4 (02:34:25):
These megastars like Rockefeller and you know what I mean,
and the dm A, you know, rough Riders and so forth.
And he was like, hey, they would have been superstars regardless.
You know, these guys were ultra talented.

Speaker 1 (02:34:35):
And I was there, you know, you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:34:36):
I'm saying, And you know, had I had more time,
I would have gotten into it. Maybe I would have
touched on It's like somewhat, but you know, I was
focusing on the important shit in that piece, and I
just felt like Leor dissing him wasn't that important.

Speaker 1 (02:34:52):
And you know, you, I guess made a similar choice.
Yeah I did.

Speaker 4 (02:35:00):
Yes, you know, I got shot here, But I understand
I pick and shooes sometimes. Man, None of us are personal, Yeah,
because the principles are always going to have a little
bit of sliding room. You know what I mean to
a certain degree about certain things, not not everything, you
know what I mean like that, there's certain unexcusable but.

Speaker 1 (02:35:22):
Like you know, you're gonna in your job.

Speaker 4 (02:35:25):
You're gonna shift a little bit here and there.

Speaker 1 (02:35:28):
That's just life. That's just business.

Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
That's just wonderful life. So now let me ask you
the minute out of question. I always see you a
mice on. Why I don't see you a mice on?

Speaker 4 (02:35:41):
Life goes on, man, Life goes on, and uh, you know,
people drift apart, right, and it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:50):
Just is what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:35:51):
I have no animosity towarism, and I haven't seen him
in or talk to him in about three years.

Speaker 1 (02:35:58):
And you know, life, it was all man. Sometimes people
are in your life for a certain amount of time.
If you don't want to talk about you don't have
to talk about it. What was the need on? What
is it called?

Speaker 4 (02:36:10):
I'm just gonna skip. I'm just gonna skip this.

Speaker 1 (02:36:14):
But I could tell you that that.

Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
That that neither one of us are or you know,
most of us are happy with the decision. Neither one
of us are trying to connect with the other. And
we're all living our lives and it's not a it's
not like a one way or you know anything else
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:36:30):
Man, it's all good. Oh yes, hell yeah, what's what
the drum set behind the interviews, it's not it's really
not like a significance of it.

Speaker 4 (02:36:45):
It's just that the studio that we start using in
La just happened to have a drum set there already.

Speaker 1 (02:36:50):
Like you just feel like you don't want to ever
change it. I mean, you know, it's the.

Speaker 4 (02:36:54):
Same studio, it's the same drum set. But then when
we built our studio in New York, it's like, okay,
like people know what's from the rum says, we actually
create our own drum set in New York. So when
you see like the academics interviews or the you know,
I'm trying to think it's the New York just the
New York centric interviews like the you know, the ten
ninety Jake interviews, and so for the Matthafa interviews, you'll

(02:37:14):
see a different drum set, but that that's our New
York studio. But you know, but you feel people are
just visually they're used to it. So yeah, it's just
you know, so you just keep the drum set, man,
you know. So it's one of these happy accidents, right right,
if it's working or changing. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:37:29):
Okay, So one of the very first times, by the way,
you're my friend, I know you. I did fifteen million,
thousand lad interviews, But one of the first times I
feel like people like zeroed in on you was like
because the ar app Okay, why do you feel like

(02:37:54):
people zero in on you for them even though you.

Speaker 4 (02:38:01):
I mean, when something terrible happens to a person, like
they get but thirty years in prison, that's where you are. Yeah,
it's it's some hideous number. Wow, it's a hit, like
a thirty or forty years. It's a hideous number. When
something catastrophic happens to somebody, people look at everything that's

(02:38:25):
out there and they jump to the conclusions.

Speaker 1 (02:38:27):
Okay, well that was because of this, you know, Like
you know, I.

Speaker 4 (02:38:35):
Interviewed Dion Dawkins yesterday, the captain of the Buffalo Bills,
and we talked about the Tomorrow Hamblin cardiac arrests that
happened last year. Remember he had the cardiacer. He had
a heart attack right there on the field. Everyone thought
he was going to die. What does social media say?

(02:38:59):
It's because he was back right, right, that's all I saw.
Vaccinated was trending number one. Who who the fuck knows
if he was vaccinated or not?

Speaker 1 (02:39:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:39:12):
Who who knows this? Because this is not public information.
This man had a one in a billion situation where
I heard a doctor explain it. If your heartbeat as
going up and you get a really strong impact as
it's going in a certain direction, you could have a
cardiac arrest.

Speaker 1 (02:39:29):
And it just so happened that out of the thousands
and thousands and thousands.

Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
Of games with the tens of the hundred of thousands
of players, this just happened he had a cardiac arrest.
But people will be like, he got vaccinated and that's
why he had a heart attack, and he's Look, he's
twenty six years old and he's healthy. There's no other
explanation for this. And this is what we're gonna run with.
And this is just what social media does. This is
the nature of the beasts. Right, So when you see

(02:39:55):
ar Ab get thirty years and you see an interview
with DJ lad where he's talking about his past criminal activities,
what he used to do, you start to try to
put the pieces together and say, well, obviously this is
why he got to thirty years. You're not reading the transcripts,

(02:40:18):
you're not talking to him, you're not talking to his lawyer,
you're not watching the news, you're not reading articles about
the case. You got this lad TV interview with a
million views, and you're like, well, this, this is the
this is the connection. Obviously, reality is Aarb had a
snitch who testified against who took the stand against everybody

(02:40:40):
about a bunch of shit that had nothing to do
with my interview. He took the stand and testified against
every fucking person who put everyone in prison over over
some really serious charges. But people are going to jump
to conclusions, you know. And then and then you get
fake articles, and then you get this this unknown media

(02:41:02):
outlet who you've never heard of before writes an article
that says, judge thanks dj vladd for helping the convict Arab.
And it shows like this white judge who's not even
the judge on the case. It's not The New York Times,
it's an outlet no one's ever heard of. And suddenly

(02:41:23):
I'm trending, and motherfucker is like Questlove is like retweeting
it and commenting about the shit. And he's got ten
million fucking subscribers, and he doesn't, you know. And then
when I tell him this shit is fake and show
him talking about it, he blocks me, like you know
what I'm saying, instead of taking.

Speaker 1 (02:41:40):
Responsibility for what he just fucking did. And then this
just builds and.

Speaker 4 (02:41:45):
Then people would just jump to their conclusions.

Speaker 1 (02:41:47):
And this is what she got a hold.

Speaker 4 (02:41:48):
Has Aarb ever said that something I did with Ladd
has something to do with his situation?

Speaker 1 (02:41:55):
No, what does he have to lose at this point,
He's doing his time. That was man like, I really like.

Speaker 4 (02:42:04):
Swiz BEA's called me one day and said, Yo, I
got this Philly artist named Arb that I'm fucking with.
Can you interview him? Swiss Beas swizz Beat called me.
I ask him, you know, swizz Swizz called me out
of the blue and said, Yo, I got this guy.
He's really dope. Can you interview him?

Speaker 1 (02:42:22):
I got you, Swizz. I interviewed him.

Speaker 4 (02:42:27):
The music is dope, Like you know, I'm fucking with it.
He's talking his shit, you know. And then he gets
into a ship with Meek Mill and he comes to
lad TV, then becomes cool with Meek Mill, and he
comes back to talk about that Rara, Like, you know,
I'm fucking with him, that's my man.

Speaker 1 (02:42:42):
I respect him, I respect his music, Like.

Speaker 4 (02:42:46):
Like, this is someone I fuck with and then he
gets he gets to thirty years and then people blame
me for it.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
And why do you think people blame me?

Speaker 4 (02:42:58):
Because A see interviews about these types of situations. I
go deep into people's stories, you know, like like the
life story includes all the lumps and the warts and
the scabs and the scars, you know, and the gunshot wounds,
the knife shot wound, knife wounds and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (02:43:17):
Man, Like, it's some real shit that we talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:43:20):
I'll ask the questions that other people won't ask, so,
you know, and we'll we'll talk about that shit. But
but this is you know, but this is shit that
I'm careful about about statutes of limitations and shit that
you're not actively doing. Like I'm not asking what you're
doing right now. I bought a kilo cocaine, you know,

(02:43:41):
back in the nineties. I've talked about that shit. It's fast.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
The Statute of limitations two twenty four, yeah, twenty four years,
you know, longer than that, exactly longer than that.

Speaker 4 (02:43:52):
It's like twenty seven twenty eight years, Like, you know
what I mean, Listen, I know I could talk. I've
earned the right to talk about the dude that written
me off for the kilo cocaine and I spent the
seventeen thousand and I'm allowed to monetize that and put
that out there and let people know that's part of
my story. And everyone who sits down is allowed to
do in the same manner. You know, someone who did
their prison time is allowed to talk about why they

(02:44:13):
do their prison time. They've earned that right with the
most valuable thing in their life, which is their time.

Speaker 3 (02:44:19):
So let me ask you, what was the first time
where you got scrutinized because of that?

Speaker 2 (02:44:26):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (02:44:27):
Ar ab?

Speaker 1 (02:44:27):
Was it like?

Speaker 3 (02:44:29):
Because I watched Adam twenty two, right, and I'm looking
at Adam, They're like, oh, you have some flat TV shit,
that's what they tell Adam, And I'm sitting back like,
god damn cat.

Speaker 1 (02:44:41):
Williams told that too. Wally Deedle a the interview, Like, okay, Flad,
he said, he said to will Yeah, you get out
of here.

Speaker 3 (02:44:49):
So because you've been schoolinized with this, like if you
go to vlad, you go to jail, right, at some
point or you're telling on yourself. Ah, you're telling on yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:45:03):
I mean, apart from the KIFI situation, I've never heard
of that actually happening. Just to keep it one hundred, like,
I've never heard of our stuff actually being used an
interview being used against someone in a case that they
actually talked about. In my in my rationale for for
the KFD interview was that he wrote a fucking book.

Speaker 1 (02:45:26):
Okay, like you wrote a book. This is I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't find you.

Speaker 4 (02:45:31):
Living in Iowa somewhere and put you on you know,
run up on you as you're going to your job,
and have you blurred out a bunch of people solve
the crime. Let's just do it is, you know, outside
of the view, I've never I've never heard of that
happening because I've always been very careful and i've always

(02:45:52):
you know, like, I've never asked the person what type
of crimes, anything illegal they're doing right now or within
a certain amount of time that it can't actually come
come back and bite them. I'll never talk to someone
about a murder unless the fourth he wrote a book
about the murder, you.

Speaker 1 (02:46:08):
Know, I mean, but an unsolved murder. Do I know murderers?

Speaker 4 (02:46:14):
I'm sure I do. I'm sure I do, But not
on camera or off camera. Would I ever asked them
about it? Because there's those satual limitations behind that, as
you can see with Kiefy D thirty years later.

Speaker 1 (02:46:26):
Wow, you know so.

Speaker 4 (02:46:27):
So it's just one of those things, man. But but
I was the only one that would ask these type
of questions to begin with. Everyone else, like wle XL
wasn't doing that. Fun Masterflex wasn't doing that sway, he
was not doing that. Angie Martinez was not doing that.
Big Boy was not doing that. That's my man, that's
my neighbor. I love him, but he wasn't doing these

(02:46:49):
type of interviews and he knows it. Ralph McDaniels wasn't
doing it. Ed Lover wasn't doing it. Fab five Freddy
wasn't doing it. Big Vaughn wasn't doing it for the Bay.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
Like I can go on and on and on and
on and on and on and on.

Speaker 4 (02:47:04):
I was the one that said, Yo, I'm going to
do these type of interviews, and I'm going to do
it in the hip hop space, and I'm going to
do it in the sports Face. I'm going to do
it in the crime space. I'm going to do it
in the movie space if it's if it's applicable. Now,
if I'm talking to John B I can't really ask
him about the live ship he did because he's never
really done any grimey ship.

Speaker 1 (02:47:22):
He grew up in a middle class background and he
started singing.

Speaker 4 (02:47:25):
He hooked up with baby Face, and you know he
has the bit records the end, Like I can't ask
someone about some ship that they don't have nothing to
do with them.

Speaker 1 (02:47:33):
But I was the one that I felt had had
the guts to ask.

Speaker 4 (02:47:39):
Those uncomfortable questionsuse you don't know what the fuck will happen,
person can walk out, person get angry, you know you
And that's and that that comes with the art of
an interview. Like I heard someone say, like, Yo, you
don't do ship. All you do is talk to people.
Anybody could do that, so so not true. You take
you go sit down in front of a stranger for

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two hours.

Speaker 1 (02:48:03):
And create.

Speaker 4 (02:48:05):
A exciting piece of content in real time, with no
do overs, with no b roll, with no let's try
it again like you do that. I've seen people do
that and fifteen minutes later, they don't know what to do,
like the interview's over.

Speaker 1 (02:48:19):
They don't know like to be able to maneuver.

Speaker 4 (02:48:22):
You could ask anyone anything, the most uncomfortable private question.
You could ask them if you know the craft of
how to ease into that question. It's a craft. You
can't learn it in school. You can't have someone pull
you aside and tell you how to do it. It's practice.
This is me, yes, roughly eighteen years of doing this

(02:48:46):
for a living, like figuring out how to ease into
a question and actually getting an answer, and getting an
honest answer, and getting a sincere answer, and sometimes having
the person cry, like earlier today with Trigg Daddy.

Speaker 1 (02:49:01):
You know what I'm saying, to have to have a
person burst into tears that you.

Speaker 4 (02:49:05):
You've hit You've hit them so hard, almost like a
therapy session in a way. This you know what I'm saying,
And nobody else was doing that, and now you see
a lot of people doing that. There's a lot of
people that looked at what I was doing said Okay,
well I guess you can. This isn't a taboo subject.

(02:49:27):
Maybe I could do this to a certain degree. I
see a lot of people that have, you know, us
bits and pieces of what I do and created dope
shit out of it. And that's what we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to there's supposed to be like a baby
drink champ somewhere or someone Hey, yeah, you know, gonna
get some liquor, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:49:44):
Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. I'm not aware
of book. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm sure of it.

Speaker 4 (02:49:50):
I'm sure there's baby flags out, flat TV's out. There's
plenty of them, and that's cool.

Speaker 1 (02:49:55):
That's what we're.

Speaker 4 (02:49:55):
Supposed to do, as long as you're not you're not
tricking people to watch the ship.

Speaker 1 (02:50:00):
You know. It's if I feel.

Speaker 3 (02:50:02):
Regret putting the numbers up, like you know how like
Netflix don't put the numbers up. They just show you
this is the number one interview because why you putting
the numbers up?

Speaker 1 (02:50:12):
Somebody thought that they owed you or you owe them.
I mean that's always going to be the case, right,
meaning that like whether there's money.

Speaker 4 (02:50:32):
Changing hands or not, when you sit down and do
something like.

Speaker 1 (02:50:36):
This, it's a business deal. Yes, right, I understand that.

Speaker 4 (02:50:44):
I'm gonna come here and give you the most valuable
thing that I owe my time for as long as
you want. Thank you, and you could ask me. You know, yes,
there are a few stipulations we talked about, but in general,
you could ask me whatever you want and you're gonna
take this and you go monetize it and you're going
to make money off that.

Speaker 1 (02:51:03):
And I understand that.

Speaker 4 (02:51:06):
And I'm doing it for my own personal reasons, you
know what I'm saying. And whatever our arrangement is our arrangement.
Maybe I'm getting a million dollars to do this interview.
Maybe I'm doing it because I want the publicity, you know.
Maybe I'm doing it because of our relationship, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:51:22):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:51:22):
Maybe at one point I might call you and has
to do my platform. It's a deal on some sort,
whether spoken or unspoken. But coming into it, everyone pretty
much understands. You know what I'm saying. I understand, like
whatever you make, you make right. What happens sometimes, and
especially if a person isn't where they want to be,

(02:51:45):
they'll be like, all right, well this video really made
a lot for you. Why don't you break me off?
To my other artists, to you whoever. I've had this
conversation with people. You know what I mean, Like, I'll
bring one up like Riffraff, right, Riffraff. Like I gave

(02:52:09):
Riffraff one of his early interviews. Diplo called me up.
You know how we get these phone calls, you know
what I mean, Diplo glad you know me. I was
rocking with Diplo at the time, and you know whatever
else He's like, Yo, I just I just signed the
artist named riff Raff and you get him on your show. Okay,
check him out. Okay, this dude's entertaining, you know what
I mean, Like called him up.

Speaker 1 (02:52:33):
You know he did his number. Yeah, he connected us.
I hit him up. He's in New York.

Speaker 4 (02:52:39):
We do the interview. It's actually kind of dope. He
has this crazy personality. We take him shopping. I take
him the Gucci store and buy him some shit on camera,
and you know it's it does well.

Speaker 1 (02:52:48):
It gets a whole bunch of views.

Speaker 4 (02:52:51):
I think we do another interview, and then for like
I don't know, like seven eight years, we don't do anything.

Speaker 1 (02:52:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:52:58):
We reached out with a couple of times. We're supposed
to do some he cancels last minute.

Speaker 1 (02:53:02):
Whatever. Life goes on whatever we do this interview.

Speaker 4 (02:53:09):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:53:12):
He hitsed me up after the fact. It was like, Yo,
I've been hearing that you pay for you know, you know,
like oh.

Speaker 4 (02:53:20):
People like bousy. You know I heard they begin to
bag or whatever else. Uh, you know, you need to
pay me five grand for that interview. But I'm not
gonna give you five grands. They even didn't even do well,
you know, I mean, the energy was all he was
already out, already out. It didn't do well, It didn't
relatively low numbers because he was just like really kind

(02:53:42):
of wasn't the same riff raft. He was sort of
like a little depressed and kind of more guarded, and
you know, life had happened, and whatever happened, whatever happened
was a very interesting interview, and the numbers showed it.

Speaker 1 (02:53:52):
He's like, yo, I want like five grand.

Speaker 4 (02:53:53):
I'm like, well, man, like if we had had a
conversation about this ahead of time, there there might have
been in a conversation, but we never had that conversation.
I will take my shit down then I'm not taking
shit down. Fuck that came in. You signed with these forums.
We spent our money. I did my fucking job. You
you you, you got your promotion whatever else, And it's

(02:54:16):
like that type of shit happens. People start counting your
money and people start to feel like they're entitled to
certain type of things and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:54:23):
But but that's not the agreement.

Speaker 4 (02:54:26):
You know, if this interview got fifty million views, if
this became the new Cat Williams interview, I know it won't,
but I'm saying if it did, I'm not gonna call
you and ask you for a check.

Speaker 1 (02:54:34):
I can guarantee you that one hundred percent no.

Speaker 3 (02:54:36):
But when was it at that moment where you realize that,
holy shit, I have to like kind of like monetize
this whole situation, meaning.

Speaker 1 (02:54:46):
What like like meaning like from the beginning, he was
like from.

Speaker 3 (02:54:50):
The beginning, you knew once you interview somebody you needed
you needed.

Speaker 4 (02:54:56):
All right, Look, so okay, before I'm glad, t was DVDs, right,
Like like I told you said, we would interview, I
would interview people out get unreleased music videos. I'd do
other wild shit, you know, and try to compete with
Smacks of the World and Defendes of the world and
so far I'd be putting out the DVDs. But DVDs

(02:55:18):
are going away, and I'd have to put out more
DVDs every the next month to try to make the
money that the same money they did the previous month.
And it's you know, I had just gone through this
shit with mixtapes, so it's really fucking frustrating, and you know,
I'm struggling financially. And then YouTube came around, and I'm like, yo,

(02:55:38):
you mean to tell me that I could put out
I could shoot the same content that I'm doing on DVDs,
I could put it out on YouTube and when other
sites and if the content is intriguing enough, you have
the blogs and now rights and the on sites are
the complexes and the world Stars and anything else like that.
You mean to tell me that if they then embed

(02:56:00):
this video and do an article about it, then I
will get their views. I will monetize through their fan base.

Speaker 1 (02:56:12):
Thing like like the light bulb went off, I stopped DJing.

Speaker 4 (02:56:17):
I love DJing clubs, like I did tours in Australia,
in Europe, in the Middle East and Japan.

Speaker 1 (02:56:23):
Like I was.

Speaker 4 (02:56:24):
I'm not going to say I was, you know, hid
Capri or anything else like that, but I was, you know,
touring around and doing my thing. You know, I love
you you DJ don't not at all you of course
DJ so you understand the thrill of DJing and and
it's a drug, right, I had to go cold turkey
and put that drug aside. No more DJing, no more mixtapes,

(02:56:48):
whatever hustling shit I was doing on the side had
to be put aside.

Speaker 3 (02:56:51):
It was like, Yo, this is it.

Speaker 4 (02:56:52):
The blog was that to start the blogs, to start
the YouTube channel, the YouTube, the YouTube channel, the YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (02:56:58):
Who the fuck tells you that? Well? YouTube introduces partner
program in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (02:57:03):
Before then, it was just like a It was like
TikTok for you, just free for all. You put up
ship and you get some views. Whatever partner program which monetize. Yeah,
so two thousand and eight to turn into a real
business and you get paid off. Then run ads through
the YouTube channel, and the more views, the more ads,
the more revenue you're paying with your eyeballs. Like Leo

(02:57:24):
likes to say, your complex thing had nothing to do
with your YouTuber, did it? Long story? I don't want
to comment on that, right, but I saw the vision
of it. I'm like, this is what I've been trying
to do with the DVD shit. But this is what
I've been waiting for technologically, to be able to put

(02:57:45):
it out and have it be there and monetize it forever,
and be able to grow it. And you understand the
snowball effect of Okay, and every day I'm going to
drop a new clip and then all the old click
compound interest. It's compound interest exactly, exactly, compound interest, or
a snowball, as Warren Buffett like to say, I just
saw the vision of it all. I'm like, okay, and

(02:58:05):
this is how I'm going to build a catalog and
so forth, and then and then over time, okay, And
then I can have as opposed to finding a new
person to interview every week, I can have the regular
guests to come in like the you know basically what
like the news stations do, the pundits to come in
and talk about current events.

Speaker 1 (02:58:22):
You know what I mean, which is which is what
all the big dogs do. Personality's got to be real personality.

Speaker 4 (02:58:26):
Got to be real personality. This is why Boosey is
a real personality. Tony Yo is a real personality. Is
a real personality.

Speaker 3 (02:58:36):
Well, let me give all three of those people they're
real people, Boosy Tony yo and real people.

Speaker 4 (02:58:46):
Yes, So I set see and then you know, you
build a business from there. Man, you build it out.
You build it out. You realize it can't just be you.
You got to reinvest the money and so forth. But
it was always like, you know, all the years been
building up to what YouTube, the opportunity that I saw

(02:59:07):
on YouTube up to that point, you know, kind of
like how Ray Kroc like found.

Speaker 1 (02:59:12):
McDonald's later in life.

Speaker 4 (02:59:13):
He knew, okay, you've been trying to sell milkshake machines
and he knew the overall business, but when he saw McDonald's,
he knew, like, okay, like this is this is what
I've been waiting for, and this is what I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (02:59:25):
Utilize all my skill sets, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:59:27):
Because all the years of being a DJ and forming
the relationship with people, and you know, me and you knew, you.

Speaker 1 (02:59:32):
Know, kind of ran in.

Speaker 4 (02:59:33):
We didn't know each other, but we hadn't run into
each other during my DVD days. I think you're wrong
some of my DVDs. Yes, yeah, exactly, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like it's easier to talk to
you because I've already met you before and when you
know me probably from my mixtapes and everything I'd been
doing for all those years. So from two thousand and
two to two thousand and eight, for sixty years, I
was trying to find my way full time, right and

(02:59:57):
and that's it was always it was like all right,
Like I was thirty four at the time, like yo,
like it's it's time to be serious, Like I'm not
going to be the fifty year old DJ still trying
to get gigs and depending on that ship because it's
a hard fucking life. And shout out to all the
DJs that are going through this right now, because it's hard.

(03:00:19):
I've been there, you know what I mean, Like there's
no loyalty in this ship. They'll get a new DJ
for a third of the price to do the same
shit you're doing and not give a fuck. You know, well,
they'll get a fucking model, an Instagram model to go
DJ hey or ten times the amount is.

Speaker 3 (03:00:36):
That way on DJ normal because I never I was
the transition to digital.

Speaker 1 (03:00:42):
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't adapt too well to it.
I was heavy on the vinyl, and that to me
was like a culture in its own I used to
take all my records to the club, which was bad
on my back and oh yeah, that's a chiropractic bill
along here. So yeah I did. I didn't get back.

Speaker 2 (03:00:59):
I want to give you the opportunity because you said
something that I feel like you might rephrase it. Okay,
you said that you feel that your impact is bigger
than the Source magazine and Double Xcel and they say
that you said something like that. No, no, no, what
I said listen because I know what you mean. You
mean in terms of like right right now, right right

(03:01:19):
my reach.

Speaker 1 (03:01:20):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (03:01:21):
I impact right now in twenty twenty four, which is
undeniable right now, Did the Source make a massive impact
and when they met culturally and what they meant culturally
at the time, and what five mics meant right and

(03:01:42):
what Unsigned Hype meant and them just really being the only,
you know, the bible of hip hop and anything else
like that. Would I ever deny the importance of that?

Speaker 1 (03:01:52):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (03:01:52):
Now that's stupid Double Excel and Double XL like they
took the torch and they really kind of eclipsed the Source,
and you know, as the Source really kind of went
down the tubes. Double Excel became the important voice, media
voice and hip hop like that's where jay Z. I

(03:02:13):
think the first Double Cell cover.

Speaker 1 (03:02:14):
Was jay Z.

Speaker 4 (03:02:15):
I'm not sure I bought it at Barnes and Noble.
I'd buy every issue, right, I'm not just speaking out
my ass, like just saying like, oh, who are those
guys I never heard of?

Speaker 1 (03:02:25):
No, no, no, no, I know exactly who they are.
But what I'm saying is.

Speaker 4 (03:02:31):
Is that in twenty twenty four, if you ask one
hundred thousand people who are hip hop fans on any level,
have you seen something recently from Flat TV, the source
or Double.

Speaker 1 (03:02:49):
I know what you mean, you know what you mean.
Ninety percent of the people would say flat TV in
two thousands.

Speaker 2 (03:02:54):
But someone else might not understand exactly what you mean
and think of it as blesphem as the way you
said it.

Speaker 1 (03:02:59):
So I just wanted to school like like they all
came before me.

Speaker 4 (03:03:02):
Ralph, Ralph McDaniels came before me, Ed and Dre came
before me, Five Freddy came before me.

Speaker 1 (03:03:09):
They're all legend. There are all people I brought to
my platform because without a lot of the would be today.
I'm supposed to interview Elliot Wilson.

Speaker 4 (03:03:15):
I've interview Dave May's and Benzino like like like, I
mean really like like I've I've shown homage to all
these guys, you know, Like I said, me and Elliott
spoke easily.

Speaker 1 (03:03:25):
We just haven't got around to it yet.

Speaker 4 (03:03:26):
But all these guys I'm talking about, I have brought
all my platform and gave them their flowers and anything
else like that, you know what I'm saying. So so
I'm not downplaying their contribution. But it's not their time
right now, right right, it's not It's not their time
right now. Their time is passed for sure. And you know,

(03:03:46):
can they bring something out of the ashes? Who knows,
But it hasn't happened in the last ten fifteen years,
is all I'm saying. Right, And they should you know
Ozone magazine another one. Yes, in the South, in the South,
they were they were innovators and they they could be
bigger than Flag TV and Drink Champs right now, easy,
But they did.

Speaker 3 (03:04:05):
She she fumbled the ball. Your whole thoughts, I ain't
gonna lie. Your whole ship is in your face. Everybody
you you op, They're gonna go madgic.

Speaker 4 (03:04:20):
To me, and this is an example of that, of
that right here as we're speaking. I've always felt like
we we will win by fucking with each other, by
all of us in this space, in this hip hop
media space, sports media space, everything else like that, if

(03:04:43):
we all fuck with each other.

Speaker 1 (03:04:46):
In a positive way, in a positive way, we.

Speaker 4 (03:04:48):
Fuck with each other. Like you, Yo, we share resources.
I can call you up when I have a question,
you know, I put you on when there's an opportunity,
there's someone I want to talk to, someone you want
to talk to. I've been doing this longer than on
the YouTube space, longer than anybody, so there are certain insights.

Speaker 1 (03:05:04):
I had really called me and asked me a few
YouTube questions.

Speaker 4 (03:05:07):
I'm like, yo, us on the weekend, let's work on
it and let me see what I can figure out
based on what I see. You know, I mean, we
should all work together and fuck with each other. And
I've seen time and time again how everyone wins. And
when the new media guys show up, like the academics,
like the Atom twenty two, like the Sean Cotton, you know,

(03:05:28):
like all these guys I reach out to and I embrace,
like the Math Office when he started doing media.

Speaker 1 (03:05:36):
And I go on their show.

Speaker 4 (03:05:39):
Yeah, yeah, man, I go on their show when they
ask me, and I asked them to come on my show,
and they you know, and then if there's deals in
the works, we.

Speaker 1 (03:05:48):
All fuck with each other.

Speaker 4 (03:05:50):
And it really is disappointing when I see people in
my space just try to be for me, and I
think about all the opportunities that we're both losing by
being the way right and and you know, us not
speaking with each other. I'm like, it's disappointing. Like I know,
I know that I could benefit from just having an

(03:06:13):
open line of communication with Nori. He could benefit from
having open communication with me, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:06:18):
What I mean. Like like just just the other day,
they hit me up.

Speaker 4 (03:06:22):
Stephen the Smith's people hit me up, like, Yo, we
want to use part of your John Sally interview on
our show. You mean first take no, no, no, not
first take our YouTube channel which is just not very big.
You know, the clips are getting a few thousand views.
I'm like, all right, we'll have Stephen call me. I
would like to have him on my show, but you know,

(03:06:43):
I'm not saying I'm demanding it, but you know, have
them call me will set up a line of communication
and you can use my footage.

Speaker 1 (03:06:49):
I'm cool with that, you know. That's that's that'll be
our barn.

Speaker 4 (03:06:52):
You know, let's talk and there's certain things you trying
to push or I'm trying to push whatever, and if
it makes sense for us to do shit with each other, cool.
They chose not to do that, so I chose not
to let them use my footage. And these are the
disappointing moments for me in my space because it's like,
we're all we're all doing this, and we and we
missed opportunities. So when I see other media outlets that

(03:07:15):
hate on me whatever, it's just like it hurts me
and I know and it's hurting them at the same time,
and it's just overall just like a disappointment, which.

Speaker 1 (03:07:25):
Is why I've always felt like, let.

Speaker 4 (03:07:28):
Me just find the opportunity to reach back out to
Nori and and open up a lot if you it
took about a year for us to get to this point,

Speaker 3 (03:07:35):
You gave me one of my best compliments ever man,
and be honest me and you were really really, really
really close, and by the way, I feel still feel.

Speaker 1 (03:07:45):
Like we were to close. I feel like we didn't
miss something like me me personally, me personally, We weren't
actively beefing with each You said a few thinks you.

Speaker 3 (03:07:53):
Said to me, you said to me, you said to
me one day, said to me, Yo, what y'all doing?
You did more than a magazine did in five years
in one year, and that was one of the most
best compliments I ever had. I don't want to say who,
because I don't know if you have a relationship, but

(03:08:14):
I was.

Speaker 1 (03:08:14):
Like, oh, ship. And then when what happened was this what?
This is what I think happened? And you you correct
me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (03:08:28):
Me and you had CBS and then Blast said, YO,
hooked me up with CBS, And I said, yo, e
f N has the relationship because I said this because
I didn't want to have a relationship with anybody at
CBS because I.

Speaker 2 (03:08:44):
Won, You didn't want to stand the contract. They're looking
at me, so I was like, we're black. Just hit
me out.

Speaker 3 (03:08:52):
In my opinion, he's looking like, you're my friend. Why
are you sending me to e FN?

Speaker 1 (03:08:57):
Heit me out? Why are you telling me the EFN?

Speaker 3 (03:09:01):
And what I'm trying to tell you is flat I'm
on a robbery mission, but I can't say. I can't
say it because I'm like, yo, just let e F
because EFN is dealing right what CBS.

Speaker 1 (03:09:15):
Yeah, we did that deal through crazy. Yeah, through crazy,
I got nothing kind of to deal with it. But
Blainn is my friend.

Speaker 9 (03:09:22):
So he's like, well, but just to be clear now
because I wanted to because you didn't want to get involved. Yes,
and I had tax problems, sir. I'm just saying I'm
couldn't technically be on paper. I had to let right,
you know, I mean, you don't have to explain it,
but yeah, yeah we did. So when Blad hit me
and I was like.

Speaker 1 (03:09:41):
Damn, can you go through E friend, He's like, yo,
you my friend? Right, I could tell. I could tell.
He was like, yo, you're my friend. Why when I
go through EFN?

Speaker 3 (03:09:53):
And I was just like, I couldn't explain to you
at the time, like I'm going through tax problems and
going through all this and EFN is running the ship.

Speaker 1 (03:10:01):
So you probably thought, oh man, who, yeah, I remember
this whole incident.

Speaker 4 (03:10:07):
Yeah, and uh, I have OCD, so I get overly
focused on ship that I need to just let go sometimes.
So I get overly focused on one particular thing, thinking
this might potentially be a business opportunity, and I sometimes
overdo it people and come on to everything. He followed
up with me, But that kind of came and went. Really,

(03:10:28):
it was the argument over me drinking on drink shamps
that escalated.

Speaker 1 (03:10:33):
That was the last part. That was the last part.
That was the last part, because me and you talk
became cool after that.

Speaker 3 (03:10:37):
You got over that, and then and then I asked you.
I was like, yo, Black co home. He was like,
but do we really got to drink? And I was like, Black,
come on man, you okay, Like just so you know,
blad Man, I'm gonna be honest and we'll address everything else.

Speaker 1 (03:10:55):
But we appreciate you bring to the game. She brung
to the game. How you added on to the game.

Speaker 3 (03:11:05):
And I understand that there's a lot of people who, Okay,
you addressed it earlier because.

Speaker 1 (03:11:11):
You're white, so people people think.

Speaker 3 (03:11:13):
Oh, you didn't add on to the coaches. No, that's
a certain sector of people, right, dream Champs is not
that I know that.

Speaker 1 (03:11:23):
I don't know if you know.

Speaker 3 (03:11:28):
We just said this up for this every nationality here,
we are the United Nations.

Speaker 1 (03:11:35):
And let me tell you something flat.

Speaker 3 (03:11:38):
As a person that I missed as a person in
our friend, my family, I missed you, bro, And I
want you to know that that the same way you
gave me your platform, I want you.

Speaker 1 (03:11:49):
To know that this is your platform. Brother. You understand.

Speaker 4 (03:11:55):
Man, Man, listen, I've always wanted to do this, you know,
And our back and forth it was dumb, you know
what I mean, because it was like, I'll do it,
but I'm not going to drink. That's the aesthetic, Like
why are you going to do it? Like, well, Buffy
got more.

Speaker 1 (03:12:12):
Money than you. He drank. I'm like, I'm talking about
money like you riched out. You don't feel like I
get back.

Speaker 4 (03:12:18):
The conversation is getting dumber and dumber, and it's like
a fuck this, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:12:23):
It was just like it's like two five year olds like,
you know me maturity, it's ce maturity.

Speaker 4 (03:12:28):
And as I'm explaining this to someone else and I'm
saying this out loud, and I'm realizing how stupid I sound.
As I'm explaining this as a grown man to another
grown man, I said, hey, I got to reach out,
reach out and apologize.

Speaker 1 (03:12:46):
And you know, if he's ready to talk then he'll
be ready to go to see it doesn't count if
you don't come on.

Speaker 4 (03:12:54):
Then he apologize for my part because he's just man.
He's asked me to be on the show, you know
what I'm saying. And by the way, you and you've
been on my show, so answer has always been yes.

Speaker 1 (03:13:04):
But you know, it's like, let me apologize on my behalf.

Speaker 4 (03:13:08):
And it took about a year to get to this point,
you know what I'm saying, because I don't think you're
ready to get on the phone at that point.

Speaker 1 (03:13:13):
I like, God, cool.

Speaker 4 (03:13:14):
You know, I congratulated you again recently and then we
got on FaceTime and boom, we posted a picture publicly
and yeah, that's the next time.

Speaker 1 (03:13:20):
Miami. God damn it, I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna
be here.

Speaker 3 (03:13:27):
But honestly, you know, our show is really about giving
people they flowers, and I'm gonna be honest. You're one
of the like the very first people I wanted to
give flowers because you know, I always talk about this
when I was in hip hop, purgatory.

Speaker 1 (03:13:47):
Purgatory. Now people don't know what purgatory is.

Speaker 3 (03:13:49):
Furgatory is in between Hebert, Yeah and immag during that
time I did blat TV repeatedly, yeah, facts, and he
did numbers. And one of the biggest little dress this motherfucker.
One of the biggest for me, not I don't know,

(03:14:10):
for your platform, is when I talked about walking through
those doors here. Oh my god, I can't open up
my phone without somebody saying.

Speaker 1 (03:14:24):
Nor he might have walked through the doors Again. Do
people ask you do you walk through those doors? Uh? Yeah?
Sometimes sometimes like.

Speaker 4 (03:14:39):
People think I'm you know, like the people think I'm
paid to do push certain agendas and like it, you know,
like I got a booster shot recently, like a vaccine
booster shot, you know, and I felt it was important,
you know, because I've seen people around me get COVID
and get really sick. All right, let me get a
booster And I I posted kind of my redo for

(03:15:01):
three days house feeling because you know, there's a little
bit of soreness and stuff like that. And people think
I'm being paid by Pfizer to do this, and doctor
doctor Fousi yeah, or or Fauci's pay me, or Maderna
or whatever else. I man, I'm being paid by Israel
for my views or somehow there's someone in my pocket.

(03:15:23):
I'm an agent of chaos, you know, you know that
type of thing. I'm a cop, I'm a fan. Yeah, man,
It's just it comes to the territory. Everyone is always
It's always interesting to me when I bring on a
new guest, one who has an opinionated one and seeing

(03:15:45):
the hate that they get, right, because everyone has their
own version of hate.

Speaker 1 (03:15:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:15:50):
Like when I brought up you know, Jason Hollywood, I
locked he was on my show.

Speaker 1 (03:15:54):
I got to see all the gay hates.

Speaker 4 (03:15:56):
I'm like, oh shit, Like there's really some really homophobic
people here. They are willing to call them the effort
and really hate this dude, like you know, or Dill
hughgly has his army of haters.

Speaker 1 (03:16:09):
It's like I thought he would love deal Hugly like
you know.

Speaker 4 (03:16:11):
But everyone has their army of haters r And it
just comes when you have when you're affecting millions of people,
it just comes.

Speaker 1 (03:16:18):
That's part of the package.

Speaker 4 (03:16:20):
It's the army of haters that come with your fans, right,
you got your haters. Regardless of what people think. There's
never been a single inner time in life that someone
said I've recorded them without them knowing I've had my
phone calls recording with people and put out on some
funck shit, but I've never you know what I mean,
Like if I record, like let's say, and it'd be like, oh,

(03:16:42):
you know, I would be r Kelly and jail Like,
I'll be like, I'll press the button Beef, It'll say
this phone call be recorded.

Speaker 1 (03:16:49):
I'll say, Okay, so we're recording this phone call like
a cool So.

Speaker 4 (03:16:52):
If anyone ever says anything to be like, all right,
here you go like where we're recording it.

Speaker 1 (03:16:56):
You're wearing a mic. This is all on the up
and up.

Speaker 4 (03:17:00):
You know exactly what's going to happen once the cameras
turn on and and then that's important in this business
not to think that you're you're sneaking people or or
whatever else.

Speaker 1 (03:17:10):
You have to have a certain level of integrity.

Speaker 4 (03:17:12):
You know, when when Las Vegas PD, they called me
like a dozen times asking me for the raw footage
for that Keify interview.

Speaker 1 (03:17:20):
I always said no, okay, good, calm.

Speaker 3 (03:17:22):
Down, Okay, after the first interview or a second interview, they.

Speaker 1 (03:17:28):
Wanted all the footage.

Speaker 4 (03:17:30):
Okay, Well he got arrested after the second interview, not African. Yeah,
well I mean like months after the secondary So.

Speaker 1 (03:17:38):
How does your phone ring?

Speaker 7 (03:17:39):
Is this say?

Speaker 1 (03:17:40):
Seven three? What is it? What does the Las Vegas
ever go? It's Las Vegas seven? No, that's that's Jersey.
Could they subpoena the footage from me?

Speaker 4 (03:17:49):
I don't think so. So, so they're calling it's the
Las Vegas. They're leaving voicemails. Hey, this is so from
Las Vegas pde. Please give me a called not saying
what it's for. I'm like, I know what they for.

Speaker 3 (03:18:05):
They kind of mad at you because you solved the case,
you know.

Speaker 4 (03:18:09):
Bah, So they're they're calling and then they started leaving
the voicemail is saying what they want, which is the
raw footage. They started sending me emails and I'm like,
I'm not cooperating with this ship.

Speaker 1 (03:18:24):
Okay, let me ask you. Are you obligated to give
her in the world for you not?

Speaker 4 (03:18:29):
No, they could try to get a subpoena, but then
but then it was not even a jurisdiction thing. It's
just you have a freedom of the press situation.

Speaker 1 (03:18:41):
Right. There's been cases like the FEDS have tried tried
to get my foot in the past and have failed.

Speaker 2 (03:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:18:49):
Wow, legally, legally, legally. I've talked about this, the Jimmy
Henchman situation. Jimmy Henshmy did an interview with me and
we talked, and you know, a lot of times I.

Speaker 1 (03:19:08):
Do interviews, I zone out. I'm thinking about the next question.

Speaker 4 (03:19:11):
I'm not carefully paying attention to every detail because I'm
thinking about what I'm going to ask next, because it's
all real time what's happening, especially someone over a jail phone,
which you have a limited situation with. So we talk about,
you know, he he briefly touches on his case. We
talk about the Tupac allegations, whatever, whatever, whatever, and he

(03:19:33):
explains to me how he's about to have an appeal
appeal trial, you know, because he's what triple life or
something like that. Next day, you know, so we put
it out. Next day, he calls me, He's like, hey,
my lawyer asked me to take it down.

Speaker 3 (03:19:49):
I'm like, a right, cool, I got you because his
lawyer has seen the actually interview. Okay, you've seen the interview.

Speaker 4 (03:19:54):
He listened to it because it's audio, right, Okay, he
says to take it down, So I take it down.

Speaker 1 (03:20:02):
So it's over or so I think, oh shit.

Speaker 4 (03:20:07):
So then like six months later something, I get a
call from the Justice Department and was like, Yo, we
need this footage, right, Nah, you can't have this footage.

Speaker 1 (03:20:17):
Well, you'd already put it out, so we have the
right to have it.

Speaker 4 (03:20:23):
Like, well, I'm not giving it to you. Well we're
gonna put you on the stand. Well then not to
speak to my lawyer. Then then this conversation is now,
if you pulled it off, I didn't have no evidence
of that footage. Well, when it comes to evidence, you
kind of have to get the originals right. You have
to get it from the story right, because you could

(03:20:45):
tamper shit. You can play partial, you know what I mean,
Like you have to have she could be editor, she
could be cut. You could play a small part of
something and make it look a certain type of way.
But you have to submit the whole thing is evidence,
so when it gets played to the jury, they can
hear the whole thing. You know, but didn't didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:21:06):
The Twitter files exposed that the Feds had to deal
with Facebook to get access to I.

Speaker 1 (03:21:11):
Don't know about all that. All I can speak about
is what I know. That's this is what I know.
This is what I know.

Speaker 4 (03:21:16):
This is my story, So there's the only thing I
can really tell. So I lawyered up and then they're like, well,
we're gonna we're gonna subpoenat him. I was like, well, no,
because this is whatever what he put it up.

Speaker 1 (03:21:30):
Blah blah.

Speaker 4 (03:21:31):
We found out that there was a copy floating around
on Instagram, like a small copy, like a small low
quality copy floating around on Instagram that they had that
they're trying to but they're trying to get the original ship,
and ultimately they weren't able to get it. They wouldn't
get the who's the head of the of the government,

(03:21:52):
the head district attorney in the federal government has to
sign off on ship like this, and he won't sign
off on it. So I spent like, tend attorney, no, no,
but it's a federal federal the chief attorney whatever whatever
his name was, Mitchell I think was at the time.

Speaker 1 (03:22:12):
And this was a very important.

Speaker 4 (03:22:13):
Situation because this would have said a legal precedent of
how things are moving forward, because then it's like if
people push it up and take it down, they can legally,
oh well look at this glat TV case. Now we
can whatever you ever put up you in for one second,
we can seize it, right because if you keep it
to yourself, you're allowed to protect your sources as a
media outlet.

Speaker 1 (03:22:32):
This is this is very important.

Speaker 4 (03:22:33):
This is some of the what American society is built
on in terms of freedom of the press. You know,
you've been at places like Dubai. You can't say fuck
the government Dubai. They will lock you the fuck up
for five years on your Instagram. No seriously, yeah, yeah,
you will get five years. I'm putting this number out there,
but I'm sure it's somewhere near there.

Speaker 1 (03:22:55):
It might be ten years. My friend he got to
life for what cocaine? Right? Well, but I didn't want
to go there. Yeah, but what's his name? Fredo?

Speaker 4 (03:23:08):
The UK rappers got five years from marijuana even though
he had a marijuana card in the UK or whatever else.
Dubai said, we don't give a fuck about that marijuana.

Speaker 1 (03:23:16):
Car. No marijuana here, that's right. You can't get a
car for that ship here. Five years. Let's take a shop.
Yeah you know what I'm saying. So so damn one
more shot is way more bigger than him. Yeah now now.

Speaker 4 (03:23:36):
Yeah man, so so ultimately they weren't able, they didn't
get to sign off on the footage. Jimmy goes to
court and he loses his appeal, and he didn't know
about what.

Speaker 1 (03:23:48):
I did until years later.

Speaker 4 (03:23:50):
Now, Now, do me and Jimmy have a relationship, No,
not really, but but you know, do me and keef
you have a relationship somewhat but not not really. But
but I'm gonna always try to protect if you come
on my show, if you call my show, I would
try to legally protect you to the best of my ability.
You know what I'm saying, Keefy interviews out. I can't
do nothing about that shit. Me taking down is not

(03:24:12):
going to change nothing, you know what I mean. That's
already out there. But if there's any if there's anything
on my raw footage, which I don't think so, but
let's just say there is, I'm not cooperating at any point.

Speaker 3 (03:24:23):
When Keevy used the interview on Kiev, he was like.

Speaker 1 (03:24:27):
Damn, I just.

Speaker 4 (03:24:31):
Well, oh, I just it wasn't really that. It was like,
once you put that book out there, it just is
what it is at this point. But the book I
wasn't I wasn't trying to put Keefy in prison. I
wasn't trying to help Las Vegas PD Soliway case. I
was trying to tell the story because I remember hearing
about Orlando Anderson around two thousand and seven. You know,

(03:24:54):
one of the one of the one of my friends
who happened to be a crip in LA said, yeah,
Orlando Anderson was the shooter and we know him. And
then I've always you know, Tupac is if not my
favorite rapper, No, it's my favorite rapper. Let me just
not even yeah, Tupac is. Tupac is my favorite rapper.
And I wanted to put the real story out there.

(03:25:15):
Tupac did not. It's not living in Cuba. Uh, you know,
he didn't. He's not you know this rapper that kind
of looks like him. He's not in India somewhere. You know,
he's not on Mars like he passed away. And it
was very sad, tragic, and the most obvious thing is
what actually happened, go and beat up someone who killed

(03:25:35):
two people. Recently, I just interviewed Robert Ladd Compton Pedee
Gang Unit, who was trying to you know, had tried
to indict Orlando Anderson on two different murders. Two people died,
and Orlando was right there in the mix on both
of those murders. This guy was willing to pull out
a gun to shoot you. That's what he did. I

(03:25:59):
don't care if you no matter how much I talked
to the mob. James of the world, James is of
the world, and all the dudes who loved Tupac, who
hate Orlando, And nobody said Orlando was a punk, or
he was a fake gangster, or he wasn't about that ship.
Orlando was a hitter. That's the fuck he did. He

(03:26:20):
shot people, He killed people, and that's how he died
in the middle of a fucking shootout and at a
gas station over a drug deal, you know, over someone
owning him some money, and and and this is what happened.
Tupac went and stomped out somebody who was extremely dangerous.

Speaker 1 (03:26:39):
So that's that's that's what you believe.

Speaker 3 (03:26:41):
Tupac's demise is one hundred percent. Was you solved tupac murder.
So now you're gonna say the Tupac how it happened,
you're saying that one million percent. He should not have
touched Orlando. Absolutely not, Okay, absolutely not. If if so, so,

(03:27:04):
what's the story that you know leading up to him
even approaching to Orlando that you.

Speaker 1 (03:27:11):
Know it was a chain snatch, not the mall.

Speaker 4 (03:27:16):
At the mall, yeah with that, I'm drawing a blank
right out of smoking and drinking.

Speaker 1 (03:27:27):
The fun was his name? Uh? I took himself real quick,
just because because I believe. And my phone's dead because
someone look it up.

Speaker 4 (03:27:37):
The lake Lakewood Mall. It was lake Wood Mall fight
death Row chain, lake Wood Mall death row Chain. There
was a guy who got jumped for his death row chain.
He was the one that told pot that Orlando is
one of the that's where Vegas is.

Speaker 1 (03:27:59):
Travell Lane Boa. Okay, So so during the whole.

Speaker 4 (03:28:10):
You know bad Boy death Row Beef, A bunch of
South Side guys who were somewhat affiliated with bad Boy
saw Trayvon Lane at the mall wearing a death row
chain and try to They jumped him and try to
take his chain.

Speaker 1 (03:28:26):
Whether they took the chain or not, it doesn't matter. Okay,
So we're saying these up.

Speaker 4 (03:28:32):
Crips, crips, south Side crypts. A bunch of south Side
crypts jump on Trayvon Lane, who's a mob Piru who's
down with death row as part of the death This
is the one man of sin.

Speaker 1 (03:28:46):
This is what happens.

Speaker 4 (03:28:48):
I know, Trayvon, we'll eventually do an interview. Me and
him have been talking for like five years. You know,
eventually he'll he'll do it. Probably he got you know,
he claimed the chain was a snag. It doesn't matter.
He got jumped. A bunch of dudes try to jump
on him and take his death throat chain. So after
the like Tyson fight, Trayvon, Tupac, sug Buntry, rest in Peace,

(03:29:15):
and some other bloods like neckbone and so forth are
all in the MGM lobby and Trayvon looks over and says,
that's one of the dudes that jump me, and Tupac
instantly makes a bee line by himself to him.

Speaker 1 (03:29:30):
That's why you see him walking by himself. Punches Yeah, yeah,
makes a bee line right to Orlando. Punch line. I
don't know what that means. He walked straight at him
by himself, even though he got a group of big
monsters with him. He beat. He ran straight it at Trayvon.

(03:29:51):
He went straight. He's sorry.

Speaker 4 (03:29:53):
Tupac went straight at Orlando Anderson punched him, and then
everyone else followed him, and then they started to kick him.
All goes down and this footage is publicly related. So
we all we've all seen this million times and then
and then started the retaliation process.

Speaker 1 (03:30:08):
Right, so you see this foot this you notice for this,
we all noticed footage. Yeah, what the fuck makes you say? Keep?
Don't know?

Speaker 3 (03:30:21):
We covered that earlier? The fuck makes you say, I
want to revisit this. He's the only living person in
the car.

Speaker 4 (03:30:31):
After you read the book, yeah, well, after the audio,
the Greg cating audio footage comes out, he's talking about police.

Speaker 1 (03:30:38):
The other three people are dead, no care.

Speaker 4 (03:30:41):
Orlando gets killed in the parking lot triple triple murder
shootout Big Drei the Fat Dude house health complications and
just dies and being in bad health.

Speaker 1 (03:30:54):
There's one of the guys.

Speaker 4 (03:30:55):
He gets killed in a random shootout in Chief Keep
Sweet shot in La Did you say what?

Speaker 1 (03:31:01):
Chief Keef? What?

Speaker 4 (03:31:02):
Chief Keef had a dispensary in La Chicago? Chief Keep
from Chicago? Who's living in La Chief? He doesn't go
to Chicago anymore. If you notice, he's he left Chicago
and never came back. He's been living in calabasas in
the La Harrea ever since. So he starts a dispensary.
Now he's working there at the counter. It just happens
to be a dispensary that he partially owns or owns

(03:31:25):
completely or the licenses like this, who the fuck knows,
But it's a dispensary associated with Chief Keef. A shootout happens,
and then the third person dies. Nothing to do with
Tupac or Orlando or anything of that, just a random,
a random, wrong place, wrong time situation. So Keith he

(03:31:45):
is the last person that's actually a lie that could
tell the story from a first person.

Speaker 1 (03:31:50):
Point of view. That's kid, Hello, oh yeah, yeah, doing
an interview. That is fantastic. I'll see you laving.

Speaker 2 (03:32:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:32:05):
Continue. So, so this is the only person. But you
knew that this, You knew that Keithy Devers. This is it.
This is it.

Speaker 4 (03:32:17):
There's really no disputing this part. This is Uncle Orlando's gone.
Orlando's gone. He has an audio of consult. He is
the actual uncle of Orlando. He wrote, he wrote a book.
It ties it all together, like you would be very

(03:32:39):
hard pressed to try to say, but I.

Speaker 3 (03:32:41):
Got advocate because they the book was out, and they
didn't give them a fucker made you say I want
to interview.

Speaker 1 (03:32:50):
You again, I mean the second interview, second interviewactly.

Speaker 4 (03:32:56):
Well, at that point he had done a bunch of interviews,
and so it's like it wasn't black, right, but at
that point it was just sort of a fill in
the blank situation. Everything had essentially been discussed. Like I said,
I don't think anyone really cares about the second interview.

Speaker 1 (03:33:12):
It's just really about the first interview, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:33:15):
But it was like, all right, well, this dude's still
doing interviews, you know, and and and you know, people
have commented on you know, Boosey's commented on him, Mike
Tyson's commented on him, like you know what I mean, Well,
let's see what he got to say, Like he let
his nuts hang, Like all right, let's let's have a
conversation about it.

Speaker 1 (03:33:36):
I didn't think that law enforcement cared it'd been because
between my first interview and the arrest, it was four years.

Speaker 3 (03:33:45):
Okay, So let me ask you where was you at
when you they said the arrested kept and did you
feel It's two far questions, One where you was at?
And then two did you feel.

Speaker 4 (03:34:05):
Like, oh Molly, no, okay, nah, I didn't even like,
now you gotta understand, like he got arrested. I'm like,
I didn't really think much of it. I almost saw like, okay, well,
this is just a horse and pony show. They're gonna

(03:34:26):
get him to sign a plea deal and hear him
a time served and they can say that, you know,
say that he was part of it. They saw the
case he's gonna go on, and he's an old man,
he's sixty two years old. They just want to close
the case on the books and call it a day.
And it didn't because because the point wasn't for him

(03:34:48):
to be arrested.

Speaker 1 (03:34:48):
That guy. It wasn't my point too.

Speaker 4 (03:34:51):
I didn't talk to Las Vegas PD or LAPD like
you know, I mean, I'm still not talking to them,
so I wouldn't be talking to them then.

Speaker 1 (03:34:59):
And I didn't realize how big it is until like.

Speaker 4 (03:35:04):
People like Pierce Morgan Star reaching out to me and
wanted me to do interviews on the airplane. He's like
the biggest interviewer like Europe, you know, and like and
then like NBC News and like, you know, it was
just like all these people wanted to speak to me
about that when I started understanding the gravity of what
was happening. But it's just one of those I mean,

(03:35:27):
I interviewed TUPACX rape accuser Ayana Jackson, and you know,
she that was the first time she's ever been on video.

Speaker 1 (03:35:37):
So you know, it's not like I'm just gonna I'm
a Tupac super fan and I'm.

Speaker 4 (03:35:41):
Just gonna advocate, advocate, advocate, you know, and bury everything else.

Speaker 1 (03:35:45):
Like nah, Like he was like all of us.

Speaker 4 (03:35:48):
Man, he had his shining moments, and he had his embarrassments,
you know, and he had his wrong decisions. He was
I'm a dumb shit have we done in twenty three?
You know that the world didn't get to see, you
know how many bad decisions you know when it when
it came to women, and we made that that you know,

(03:36:12):
ultimately just wasn't being a big deal that could have been.
You know, like like Darryl Strawberry he told me yesterday,
he said, you could pick your sins, but you can't
pick your consequences.

Speaker 1 (03:36:29):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (03:36:30):
You could choose to do what you want to do.
You you could do all the fucked up. You could
do the drugs, and you could do the crimes, and
you could do the lies and the stealing. You you
choose what you do, but you don't know what's going
to happen after you do them. That that's not up
to you anymore. It's not your choice. That would be
up to other people to decide how they're going to

(03:36:54):
deal with with with what you've done.

Speaker 1 (03:36:58):
You know what I'm saying. And that's the Uh, that's
the reality of it, man, that's the reality.

Speaker 2 (03:37:05):
And so what do you think the the next iteration
or is there for you moving like ten years ahead
of now, Like do you see yourself changing formats?

Speaker 1 (03:37:21):
Changing side? It's already changing. Like the biggest, the biggest
clip of last year was the Boosey House tour, right,
did you see that at all?

Speaker 3 (03:37:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:37:33):
It was a tour of his eighty eight acre state
like bringing back like MTV cripstyle like that. Yeah, okay,
I did, we did? That was the that was It
was three and a half million views.

Speaker 4 (03:37:43):
So just that one twenty minute piece, you know what
I'm saying, not not you could add up the pieces,
you guys, even more than that saying just that one
single pieces.

Speaker 1 (03:37:52):
The biggest single piece of the year it was that.

Speaker 4 (03:37:56):
But with that came LeVar ball House Tour, it came
j NV's car collection. You know, we just did Dion
Dawkins House in his yacht.

Speaker 1 (03:38:08):
You know, so you discovered a whole new lane we did.

Speaker 4 (03:38:11):
I just did one of my favorite barbecue spots, you know,
Bloodstone's Barbecue, you know where I got to go and
actually get on camera, and you know, I'm like a
lifetime footie, so I actually get to like and.

Speaker 1 (03:38:24):
It seems that you can't do no wrong in this
lane that you're describing right now. Well, I mean, you know,
you you could always have shit that doesn't react, you know,
I mean in terms of people criticizing the coumtany.

Speaker 4 (03:38:35):
Yeah, but it's not about the criticism, man, It's not.

Speaker 1 (03:38:38):
It's not about I don't do it for that.

Speaker 4 (03:38:43):
Like I know, for example, you know, I do a
lot of you know, I've always been a big proponent
of of stock investing, right so when I put out clips,
you know, I have like a lad Stock series, like
a nine to nine or ten part series where I
break down stock investing and I talk about different you know,
just the different things that I've used in terms of

(03:39:06):
what I've found to be successful and so forth, and
all through the comments.

Speaker 1 (03:39:10):
Yo, man, we love you. You have more content like this,
You're the best.

Speaker 4 (03:39:14):
You know. Oh yo, this is transformed Like I can
create videos that all they have is positive comments. It's
so easy to do. But that's not what the business
is about. It's not about trying to give myself a
pad on the shoulder, like fuck that, Like I know
what it is. I you know, if a video has
ninety percent negative comments, that's fine, as long as what

(03:39:36):
we're doing is important. You know what I mean is
in terms of what the strength of the content, you know,
I mean, you think people want to hear you think
all the Tupac fans and there's a lot of them,
you think they want to hear about Ayanna Jackson talking
about how you know, she came to see Tupac and
ended up having sex with two other dudes and she

(03:39:56):
was never with that, and you know what I mean,
And things went very left and Tupac was like, get
this bitch out of my face, and you know what
I'm saying, Like, like, Tupac fans don't want to hear
this ship. I know it's going to be like a
bunch of negative ship. But this is an important story
and that's why, like we are, we are changing. You know.
I was saying about how the biggest clip was was

(03:40:17):
the Boosy house tour. You know, that was the biggest
clip of last year, you know, And we're doing house ship,
We're doing car ship, We're doing restaurants ship.

Speaker 2 (03:40:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:40:26):
I was actually supposed to trick out his restaurant, but
then then he didn't. He didn't show up at the
restaurants and where we just didn't want to do the
restaurant without him.

Speaker 1 (03:40:32):
So yeah, we're doing with Sundays. Yeah, Sundays exactly. We
ain't there with the Fried Ribs, you know, but I
would love to do. I would love to be like
the Robert Leech you know of you know autumart On

(03:40:54):
got on Shore. You're you're your watch guy. See you
know you got the Richard Mill. I mean I got
a couple. You got if you are Auto Mars.

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You got to protect you know, we got nice you
know watching the picture, you Bill, you build them up
up to wear some nice Yes for drink Champs.

Speaker 8 (03:41:18):
Motherfucking TV, hold no more shot, Jamie.

Speaker 2 (03:41:25):
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