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March 29, 2024 β€’ 240 mins

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs in this episode the champs chop it up with the legend himself, The D.O.C.!

The D.O.C. joins us and shares his journey. The D.O.C. shares stories of early N.W.A. days, Ruthless Records, Death Row Records and much much more.

The D.O.C. shares stories of creating music like his classic β€œNo One Can Do It Better”, and shares stories of working with Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Snoop Dogg, Eminem and more!

Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What up it's DJ
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and this is Drink Champs yeap hour make some when
I say calling this man a legend is an understatement.

Calling him an icon as an understatement. Calling him a
visionary uh uh, A person that is relentless, a person
that has landed his hand to hip hop and could
singly handily say that he has made hip hop a
better place. Some of your favorite records he's wrote some

of your favorite artists. He's your artist, favorite artist artist.
He's your rapper's favorite rappers rapper. He's your producer's favorite, producer, producer, producer.
He is a classic legend icon means so much, and
I want to I don't want to limit to him

to to to because because he's he's he's actually from
the South, kind of dressed like from the East Coast
and rhyme almost like from the East.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Coast, but landed and goddamn the West Coast. So he's
a bit of every coast hip hop. He's a man's man,
like I said, a legend, legend. And if it wasn't
for him, some of your favorite hip hop artist icons
will probably never even exist.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Like I said, he's everyone's favorite. In case you don't
know who the fuck I'm talking about, we talking about
the one only that still might be one of the hardest,
still might be one of the hardest ship like and
hip hop when that's to come on. I had so
much fun doing research for this interview, watching the documentary, uh,

watching your old interviews, watch it, listening to the old music.
It's like you are sincerely a god of hip hop man, man.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Well, first things first, I gotta get this off my
chest because I carried it on my there it a
long time and I don't want to go too deep
into it. But but this between me and you, it's personal.
It was up and smoke to it, and it reached out.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Your hand to me.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
And I was in the middle of my addiction, in
the middle of a bad trip, and so I don't
remember everything perbade him, but I know I was fucked
up in it.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So old you in a polymy. No, no, no, no, no,
let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. No,
You've been such inspiration and to tell you the truth,
you are legend you. You can't you guys. If it
wasn't for you guys doing what y'all did, I don't
think the Queen's Bridge slash left rock sound would even

be invented, you know what I'm saying, because of like like,
like I said, watching the documentary and going through all
of this and seeing seeing your relentless list. Like there
was one part of the documentary, by the way, I
cried twice. I cried twice. There was one part though,
where Drey just looked in the camera and Dre said,

you can't give it away, but Dre says something that
you want all of your friends to say, like you
want I cried to the TV, Like, I'm sitting there,
my barber's cutting my hair and he's like, wait minute,
because he fills the tears, so I guess he's not.

He don't want to look at me because he looking like,
holy shit, this thing of nooy. He's really sitting here crying.
And I love that friendship of yalls, Like how did
y'all develop that relationship? You and Dre?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
It's uh, it's a musical. He's the music.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
I'm the words, bro mm hm, I am the words.
What he is it's the music. Wow, And so that
you can't you know what I'm saying. And this is
when before the world knew who he was. I knew
who he.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Was world, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
But it's it's the sound. It's the quality of the
sound that he produces. It's not the actual production to
beat making. It's the engineering. It's that when you're in
the studio.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
With the good doctor. I like you call him a
good doctor.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
That's the sound that day. It's because you ain't gotta
go wait till they get mixed. The matter, none of
that high sound in that moment. That's it, and it's
never gonna change. It's gonna be that dope all the
way through, you know, and I always respected him uh
immensely for that, for that skill set, I couldn't leave.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
It, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
That's why even after what happened to me happened, I
stayed up under that sound, right, because if I could
stay close to this sound, I still got these words.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
I might not have the voice to go with it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
But you know that was like, like like I was
saying earlier, it's like I heard that you said that
you wanted to you gave up certain times. But the
outside is looking in. We never saw that part of you.
We always we only get to see. I don't know
if it's the.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Part that was presented or it's just that much.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Of a hero, you know. What I'm saying is that
we we didn't see the vulnerability part of you, Like
you know what I'm saying. So was that something that
you was hiding or that was like some of you
did on purpose?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
No? Bro, that thank you.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
That's just that's just me as a as a human being,
right right. I never get the show but those sides
because it's never about me, right, It's always about.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
My guys, G O, D, not not the DC.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Well, yeah, that's ultimate.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
But back in those days, it's always about Snoop, Snoop
and dre Right and so my roles it is just
to be in the back.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
And I'm cool with that, sipping on yat. You know, listen.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I can't wait for this documentary to actually finally come
out because I thought, I swear to God, I'm not
gassing you up because you here. I thought that straight
out of confident, was like nothing could be better than that, right,
And I'm sitting back, I'm like, this is no other
thing story, no other story, And then you want to
tect to me. You're like, wait a minute, it gets better.

You can only imagine.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I mean, I didn't get to watch it, but there's
so many layers to your story, going all the way
back to Texas.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Bro it is.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
And I used to be humble about the ship, but
I'm starting to get.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, we're gonna be cocky for you and jump
for the record. We've been trying to get you, you know,
I've been trying for a long time. Hold on before
you even go, Before you go, because our show was
about giving people they fly. Snoop said that when he
got his flowers just better than getting the Grammy because
it comes for his people. We want to give your
flowers face to face.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Man, man, man, you mean so much hours yes, let
me tell you, you mean so much, not just to
west coast, not just to the south, not to the east,
to the whole case.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like I can't pitch a hip hop without you. Wow,
It's like I literally can't. Like I believe your first
word was eighty seven, eighty seven, eighty seven. I was
born in seventy seven, so my memory it's always like
they you always existed. So I cannot pitch a hip
hop without you, like, like for real, you're a real,

real legend, my brother. Let's just talk about the documentary
without giving up every day, right.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean, but we can talk about the story.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
We don't have to refer the story to the film.
We're here to talk about.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Story documentary itself. Jen Foe God three hip hop documentary
all time, yep. And it might not be.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Two or three, you know what I'm saying, because it's
it is hip hop. I'm the vehicle, but that story
is about it hip hop. That's why it goes up
through New York up and that it travels like hip hop.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Did you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I love the fact apartment because you I love the
fact that you even brung the doctors in, like you know,
when you was checking the a voidable code of course
and things like that. I love that you didn't even
hide that, like you just you wanted people to know
your real life because.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
It's still an option. Why there's still a lives with that,
you know. Then I think happened and that's a whole
another bar of ones. But so I'm still living at
this There's some changes I want to make and at
the end, because I want to do something for easy,
I didn't get a chance to do when they that

should happened. That that happened because his his widow reached
out to me and started talking to me in vacuuming
my master's back.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh wow, wow wow. You said something an interview and
you said, the thing about the documentary is that a
fifty year old white man from Arkansas, from anywhere in
the world could relate to it. I'm telling you everybody
can relate. I'm telling you, I'm telling you that that
documentary is not just a hippy it's a it's a

never give up, it's a it's a it's a fucking
inspirational said life documentary. But it's like it's like, yo,
you're a litless list. You're like you're even say your
even way to say, you know what, I was one
of the biggest stars in the world. I lost my voice,
but I'm not gonna lose my intentions. I'm gonna pay

a team player. Like that ship was just so I
was good sponsors coming through me. I'm just whoa because
most people once they get the place of being Michael
Jordan's they don't want to be talked Scottie Pippen, they
don't want to go to but you not only it
was like you chose that role. He was like, you
know what, I can't be the player the more, but

I'm gonna be there. And I'm pining the hardest rhymes
ever because.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Because I want my guys to win. Man, I want them.
I want them to win. Even if I can't win,
somebody gonna win. And and snoop, you could tell the
character of a man he is because they always give
it back, like he never goes nowhere without speaking me,

lifting me up. And if I needed him and called
me to be there, you know, and like jo d
Bless me Bro. He put me in the grade spot
to be a with thero and learn some real he
lessons in his life, you know. And so that's why
I'm now. I tell folks, it's a it's a god thing,

it's not a doc thing. I'm trying to position myself
for hip hop, not the first fifty because the first fifty.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Was fucked up.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
The next fifty when we get to win, when them
billions come to us the creators and float to our
people on the way we wanted to right And we
don't have enough of that going on now.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
But now that we got this awareness, now that we
got understanding, now that we got opportunities like this show,
then we can bless our folks. Ain't growing this thing
in this money game just like you know they have,
you know what I mean. And it's next fifty for me.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
It's about going back to the same projects I came from.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Dallas, Dallas ballas.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
And making sure that what Dallas for work, making sure
that those babies have an opportunity to win, Bro, because
they're living in them streets right now.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
They're living.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
The movies we wrote in our records, but they're not
living and with honor the way we act. If there's
no honor, then you can't trust nobody. You just out
there in the wild West again like fuck everything and
every and we lose them like that. Man, we can't
lose these boys like that.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
We need them. You know what I mean? What if
Trump do allow I'm just playing.

Speaker 9 (13:36):
I don't want to go ahead them sneaks is horrible, horrible.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
All them go. Yeah, that's what he's said. You know
what I man?

Speaker 6 (13:46):
So you you want and they and they just somebody
just read somewhere they they just signed the bill uh
in Louisiana that allows them boys eighteen.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Years or you have top to carry your seals. You
can't even bot a cigarettes eighteen Yeah, man, you can
buy a guy.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
What what is the purpose? Who are the people and
why they ain't not on TV?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Let me see what they look like like because I'm
not getting the game and that because you already know
what's gonna happen, right right, You already know what's gonna
happen there.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
If one of these young boys is in school and
another one of them little boys run past them and
popping in is out one good time, He's not.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Gonna even square up. He's gonna get up and run
to the lock up. No, why because the ain't.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Not fighting no more. Bro.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
Now you're out of there, and then you lost two
lives or three or four behind buy some ignorant shit.
And so, you know, with all due respect to the
to the program, I don't want to be you know,
but yeah, man, it's it's really important to me to
get out there and make that stance right. I was

talking to the k R s UH in Dallas just
a week ago. We were sitting there right along the podcast,
you know, in Dallas, me and Ka har Rests. I'm
doing some work on the podcast, and we would start
having this conversation like we gotta get out there and
do what we can to get our young men back
on track.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
There's no, it's not a lot of leaders anymore. We
don't have a lot.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
No, we went. We went from the Martin Luther King
era right to the Frankie Lucas era.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, to doctor Umar.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
I've seen Omar there for one time. I don't want to.
I don't want to tell nobody me sneak up on you.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
They have on beads.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
No, but yeah, he was a cool brother, you know.
I don't want to, but.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I think about it, I can't think of Doctor Umar
flying the White airline. You can tell me he was
a white I'm disappointed, Doctor, He's supposed to be on
black air waves. So I'm gonna tell you one of

my favorite, well some of my favorite stories of a
hip hop period is when I hear anybody who was
involved in the chronic talking about those sessions. Now, obviously
we interview Snoop, we interviewed Dazz and Corrupt, right, and
Dazz and Corrupt and Snoop came from like a rookie
point of view where basically they were like and even

Snoop to a certain extent, but Stop said it was
you and him really pinning most of it. But you, like,
doctor Dre is different from Snoop and different from Dazz
and Corrupt because you know what these records can get veterans.
You know, how was those sessions like with you? And
it wasn't as fun as as as well?

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Yeah, man, that was you know, because I knew what
was gonna happen, right, and in the early days, I
thought it was gonna be my money too, you know,
But you knew what them boys was doing and if
you fucking with dre Man nine ninety nine, nine point nine,

nine nine, You're gonna win. It's difficult not to win
with with with him doing. But nobody was like Snoop
Snoop was what what what slick Rick was?

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Today's Snoop was that for them? Nobody had that, you know,
That's why I was.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
It was so apropos that he did lotty dotty because
that's what he was.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
On his first album, was on his first album, and
it made so much sense. It was like perfect, Yeah,
he was a genius.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I'm gonna I'm not lie from deep Cover. When I
first heard deep Cover, I knew Snoop was different. I
knew he was this ship. I just didn't know that
he would be wound up being the most famous rapper
on earth. Like I love the Boar where you keep saying,
you say to the kids, you'd be like, y'all know
who DC is, and they're like, uh, he is like

the most famous rapper. It is like there's no place
on earth Snoop can't go.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Oh yeah, I mean, Snoop is a he is a
marketing genius. He ain't turning down no checks. He gonna
gonna get it.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
What you said but how did.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
You see that in the beginning, because obviously y'are dealing
with a diamond in the rough, Like it wasn't like
he came out and was polished. So what was it?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Dre told you about this thought? And then yeah, and
you're seeing him on the level as an MC. I'm
sure at first it's just as an MC. You're like,
I can respect this.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Oh yeah, I mean I got to help him, right,
But Dre heard him. He said, that's the guy. I said, Okay,
that's what we're gonna do, you know, and follow the league,
play my role in this movie. Sit down with him
and take him through structures.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
And because you told him how to do sixteens.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Make him money? Well yeah, because he was right. He
was just wrapped for thirty minutes and shit, and you know,
it's cool. It's cool here, then they get cool again here.
Then now you're just wrapping some ship and then he
get cool right here. You need to remove all the
ifs and speak to the meat that at work. And

and he figured that shit out by the time he
got to.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
His record was ship. I couldn't tell him shit.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
You know, he was flying U and I was happy
to be on the ride with him.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Now, was sure your bodyguard at first?

Speaker 5 (19:50):

Speaker 1 (19:50):
This is the holl Yeah all right, So you're telling me,
I don't know if you call.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
It a bodyguard because he was taking now you know
what I mean about, ain't nobody trying to fuck with me?
But sure was was a friend and coming from from
Dallas to uh to California, going from nothing to everything.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, even though you went from Dallas to Confton, he
moved into continent right over.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
But I'm saying, didn't nobody give a fuck who I
was in Dallas By the time I got to tell,
everybody thought I was the coldest thing since sliced bread,
you know, and Sugar started hanging out taking me to
clubs at at twenty years old. You're not supposed to
get in what you get You going in and Eddie
Murphy's over there and Prince's over there. You start filling

that vibe when the record start hitting and then that
alcohol start kicking in. Then that's why you might have
thought he was my bodyguard. I'd go in there to
be a woman over there, but she would a guy.
But I don't care, you know, I'll go over there
and do.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Some raunchy shit because they took they said, do you
yourself d o C dropping off cock?

Speaker 9 (21:02):
Okay, I shouldn't standing up.

Speaker 5 (21:11):

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I'm sorry, but what well.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
That's not that's not a thousand, but it's close close enough.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
You know, we was, we was getting it in back then.
But still them boys didn't want to let me play.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
But you said something one time, you said, it's some doors. Ye,
I'm not a door guy. I didn't go to the
door either, because I'm already on that all. If I
go through that door, it's gonna be a whole lot of.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Because I'm not gonna lie to accept none of that.
It's gonna be a proper.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Don't let that again.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
You you you Yeah. But one thing again about the documentary,
which is so dope. It's not to only see people
give you your flowers and give you your praises, but
to see how many people are actually your fans. Like
I've never seen Imminem like be vulnerable like that. I've

never seen doctor Drake smile like that. Like you can
tell like he really like like you his brother, like
like it had nothing to do with blood. You can
just tell, like the way he talks about you. Everything
is just like I love I love that people are
not afraid to give you your flowers. Do you feel that?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah? Bro, I love that.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I love it. But it's not the type of character
you are, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
But when when one of the things that you see
when you see that that film is exactly what you've never.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Seen Drake like that, right, I never seen the mother.
Brother's happy, But how did that happen?

Speaker 6 (23:04):
And so I know in his heart he's happy because
he can see this guy might be finally getting to
that stage where he's gonna stand up and take care
of his business, right you know? So it's that big
brother shit. But you've seen anything. Even when he started
talking ship, I'm right there.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I love ship.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Hello, and he wanted to he.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Want to play me about that?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Listen, y'all, I haven't watched this on your job? When
is this dropping? When is this coming?

Speaker 3 (23:32):

Speaker 5 (23:32):
What I'm still dealing with.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
I'm still dealing with the with the see it now,
you gotta be very careful.

Speaker 1 (23:41):

Speaker 6 (23:45):
I'm not a door guy, you know what I mean?
And so I gotta figure out what what rush the door?
You know what I'm saying, Because it's important. It's an
important film. Not just for me and nigga boing my
I'm I'm West Dallas. Nigga tryna get my bearings back

and and and make this life mean some shit right
Other than this, nigga can rap her.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
But you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
I got a seven year old son and a nine
year old son, and Jill d waited til I became
a man, m to give me those gifts, cause I
understand that in order for them to become a man,
they have to see a man m.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
So I have to be a man that means those
things that I those childish things. I gotta let that
shit go. You know, all the the the playing games
for females a well, now all the playing games.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Not show you know better, you know, being a a
righteous father.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
And not just for my son, my sons, because it's
a lot of sons that don't have nothing, you know
what I mean, trying to represent for them where I
come from, because that to me, it's just.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Is just super important.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
When I start trying to do work in the community,
man and understanding what these young boys is doing out there,
and I said, will blow your mind.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Bro, and you wonder how hot the hell? Well what what?

Speaker 1 (25:26):

Speaker 5 (25:26):
It's just fucking nuts and what you thinking?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
What's going on now? Yeah? Yeah, like even people making disreconds,
that's actually recons that's kill kill you record. Yeah. I
never thought thought it'd be that's that's it.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
But that's that bullshit. That that's that ego ship. Everybody
want to be what Saint Jordan's don't. Nobody want to
be Scotty. Everybody want to be the biggest, baddest, you know,
wolf wolf.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's like brainwashedh it to think that this is the
route to take that, to go public with these crazy things,
doing these things you're talking about, it.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Gets you popular.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's why these.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Boys don't think about where you're gonna be at in
five years. That's what If you ask them that that
that'll be the hardest question in they like to answer
because they don't think that far. They think you can
go out and shoot the motherfucker on Tuesday, and next
week they'll do shit again. And that's I don't understand
that once you start playing those games, that that life

is different, man, you know I man, and you might
not never make it back to these Now I'm giving
these kids jews from this experience because driving with that
all in me and reckon out on that freeway, that
shit took almost thirty years from me before I got
back to a space where I can, you know, handle

some business. You know, but I keep telling you it's
g O D thing.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
But look at do me a favor though, humor meaning
let's take it back, because I want I want to
get into the meat and potato of how you got
to hear go back to Texas, feel a fresh crew
is starting? How do you how does that connect to
Ruthless Records? How does how do you become an m C?
How does that connect to Ruthless Records?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Because I've seen an interview with Easy said he was
part of a rack crew. I was like, damn, bro,
that's how he ad. That's just he was talking about.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Okay, okay, and we went we weren't the best.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
He was hard like that.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
But uh yeah, So the DJ that group was dude
that was on the radio. He used to be in
the in the same DJ crew that Drake came.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
From Working crew. Yeah, really okay, when.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
It was just DJs Florida before they.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Started, when there was wearing the shiny Jackets Jackets. They
didn't make it till that level because that was and
they was good already.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
So when he made it to Dallas, he had a
lot of their underground records, and he made their underground
music god in Dalla Dallas. And then when they visited Dallas,
dre heard me. He was like, bro, you just shit.
If you was in La we'll be rich. And I
was like, shit, let's.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Let's steal it.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Let's go get the guys judging your musical for the
FEEDO crew. Yeah, okay, continue, but he's singling you out
and the crew.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
Yeah, because when I said let's go get the other guys,
he was like, nah, I ain't talking about.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
That because you wouldn't because it just feel the fresh
crew in here.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
But but I was like, nah, I came. I mean, now, hey,
hell no, I can't just go to California.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
They gonna lay my.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Because I think that partner's interested about that is you
not only moved to California, but you moved to Compton,
which you said, I believe you described it as a
beautiful place in the daytime, but nighttime all home.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
But that's how early in the development of Ruthless that
you moved in like basically with them.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was a It was a
motherfucker because I'm not a bro.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
I'm not a thug dude, That's never been my I'm
a writer. I'm an artist for real, man. Yeah, I
love and breed to be good at that, you know
what I mean. And so when I went out there
and them boys started, you know, I'm gonna do what
I can to help y'all. I knew that you're never
gonna be able to get where you can. You're never

gonna be able to be all that you can be
unless you can get this stuff that you're doing on
the radio. So I can write the kind of songs
fright Eric that are funny.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And be easy for people who don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
That are that are funny and entertaining that won't scare
white folks.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
You know, they're they'll laugh. I wanna. And so that's
that was my job.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So you came up with kind of making him a
character in a child because you you easy does it?

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah? No, easy does it? Yeah? Easy does it?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And the playful rhymes, the way he played loud.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Okay, I do a motherfucking walk by, you know, just
funny ship in a way that the gang uh street
guys were respected and Easy could carry it because he's
not faking he Oh yeah, oh, he's one thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I never got to me Easy, and I never got
to be Tupac.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Tupac was a real one too.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh yeah, sh you never got that close, real.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Real ship talker.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
He talked ship to me all the time, but he
waited till I had the wreck and start stalking that ship.
He first time I met him, he was he was
still dancing for uh Underground right he was in He
was in a limo, and then then we rode from
the limo to the I was performing with those guys.

My single just came out, performing in Kansas City or somewhere.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
We rode in the limo. Got never said two words
to me. You know. Now, fast forward after my wreck
thing happened.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
He and mc breed we're really good friends and uh
direct didn't happened to chronicle all the uh that stuff
has happened, and we in at Atlanta. I think this
is when he around the time he getting into it
with the police and tearing up Itchy bond over Breed
all of that stuff and he, uh, I'm at Brede's

house and he flies in died for some brother man.
They finally ran your ass. I forgot that. I didn't
like that. That made me mad, you know. Yeah it's true,
you know, Uh, but Nigga not in him good? Uh
but no he was Uh, he was a little ship talking.
But he had a he had a heart of gold,

you know, and a solid brother.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
And and I have similarities in that seminis. Yeah, and
now we're we're great writers and thinkers and good good
on the inside and shouldn't And it was in that
space what we shouldn't have been, right, you know, those
aren't our people. We shouldn't have been in the middle of.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
That, right now, do you do there's there's there's something
found what he just said. No, I know that there's
something that I wanted to reiterated. Think about the No
Bazanline record. Rice Scool comes out with this record.

Speaker 5 (32:19):

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Greatest inside of it.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
At that point, yeah, well, did you feel like I
gotta go petitive this back?

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I was like ni.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Because it never n w A never did a full
dis It was only just some shots in some songs.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
But but but Benedict Donald, I think was the one.
But did. Did anybody from the crew get mad at you?
Like why he ain't say your name? Another one?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Because there was.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Because every everybody if this drink chest and they don't
this e f N. I think you got something going on.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
I think you knew because he had come to the
hospital and seeing oh wow wow, he knew it'd be
like trying to beat up a handicapped kid at that point,
so he just told their ass other than I. But
I was so happy about that because he hate.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Breakfast, you know, the greatest record his.

Speaker 9 (33:22):
Music from the first line the last. You don't let
up on none of them.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
But this is a famous argument that we had on
drink chefs. Well, he famously had man, we're gonna bring
it up here. Yes, he famously had it. And this
ice cube or Biggie Smalls. That wasn't the way it
started to I hate Did you hear about this argument?
What did you think of this argument? Well, if I'm
being honest, you have to be pleased.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
That's a hard one, bro, because they are too the
greatest storytellers ever, but they're telling.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Him in different ways, in different ways.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
And see I'm a MC and so the white Big
Swing is me in a competition. I can compete with
that the ship that you'll be doing, I can't compete
with that ship because he's doing it in a way
that that's unfamiliar to me. And it's always that furnst

line and in any of the songs where he added
it's the first time you know on yeah, you know
he's gonna tell your ass up from that first goddamn line.
God damn, I'm glad y'all said it. I'll say, you
already know some shit.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I gonna lie. I think that was the quietest I've
ever been in Drink Champ's history, because I had no opinion.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I just left them again to set the record strat.
It wasn't what you're saying. He just asked me. Tony
asked me who was my favorite? I said it Cube
was always my favorite. And then he just took offense
to Q being my favorite and then throw Biggie. And
then that's when we started going back.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Because I understand both arguments. I clearly understand both arguments.
Like if you're from East Coast, when Biggie came out,
there is very few moments other than when Eddie Murphy
came out that it was just a Chris due Locke like,
and we literally couldn't hear nothing else but Biggie on

the New York side, including anybody into hip hop. This
is anything else but Biggie. But I was too young
to actually fill the first version of ice Cube Wave.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
So that's the reason why I was like, I was
a diehard fan. Listen, I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Before I met West Coast hip hop, I was scared
of all West Coast artists because y'all described the shit.
I thought Compton was a jail straight out of Compton.
I was like, wait a minute. I was like, I
don't want to be locked up here. Like I was like, yo,
what the fuck? But because it was so different from
the East Coast that when you described it, it was

like Holy ship. Like when just just hearing the description of.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
West Coast, they changed hip hop the way that they
came out and conveyed that emotion that hadn't been done
in hip hop's in my opinion, and just going back
to the ice Cube thing, my favorite groups of the
time were n w A and Public Enemy. When Q
belize and it's with the Bomb Squad that's it. It's
solidified for me, who my favorite MC at that time was.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Right, there's a lot of synergy between Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
To me, it's the same opposite side to respect.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And they had the same energy.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Dre and I every single morning on the way to
the studio listened to her. It takes a nation.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Every get me. Wow. Wow, that's that's that's that's great.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
It was that same energy from from their perspective. That's
why I had that. And it was supposed to go
that way. But the machine, the door guys.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
The fucking door guy store guys got it.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
And said we can do it like this and it'll
do that, and we bought that shitty Crush Groove is
my favorite movie of all time. Right, it's when Galaxy
Records came. Galaxy Records all mofucker.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Man. I wanted to beat ship out there, whoever the
guy was that played Galaxy Records in the movie, because
he still run away from Russell in the movie. And
that's what the game got shitted on.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Man. You know, I heard you say in the interview
as well. He said Easy and Sugar went through the
same thing, and I thought that was so deep because
I don't think I think Easy, I think Sugar. Example,

was easy to the fact that if what you're saying
is true, that means that Shure didn't learn from Easy.
He took easies as like whatever. But most street those
are the two street gangsters that I knew, you know,

in the industry. I mean not no, like no. But
what I'm saying is I knew about.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Easy was that was a powerful thing, like what y'all
was doing.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
And then death Row. I had never seen that neither
you to be a part of both fucking movements. The
world hadn't seen what de Throw created. The world didn't
see what n w A created, but you can you
can see the environment that the music was created death Row.
I had never seen so much power at one point.

At one point, I remember meeting me going to meet
Leo Cohens one time through the guard. He was in
Vegas and Leo cohmes, he meets me and he goes,
I just set.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Fro guice really like, you know, because I'm on my
own dick at the time. I'm like, wait, death Row guys,
so whatever. Every one of them had a presidential and
I was just like, at the time, I didn't know
what that shit meant, but I knew what he was saying.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
He was like, no, normal, you don't understand. It's most
of the time it's one Rowlex or it's one He's
like every fucking person walking with death Row had a
new fucking Rolex. He said, he ran out the way.
This is what you think because he wanted that for
every death Jam artist. Is that what I believe he did.

I believe he didn't want that, and I believe that
that was the first time you see like black power.
Like I don't know if it was abused because I
wasn't privileged to be around that much. But I remember that,
and I remember and this is not no racial thing,
but I remember, this is the most powerful white man
in the industry. And he looked at me like, joh,

let's not go downstairs right now, like the death real
guys just walked by.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
I was like, what, no, no, bro, he was a
small guy to get that ship.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
A little bit and maybe a young dumb full of
come from the hood. I'm not even respecting it. But boy,
but I had no winds. I did not know that.
But what I'm saying is.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Some of the things that I have seen, right, my brother,
what So.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
What I'm saying is because this is what I want
to ask. We got to get it. You got to
see you got to see easy one of the most
powerful black street guys. It's very important for us to say,
you know, street not because of maybe not the education,
but for where he came from. Here, because it's possible
that a street guy right now can do it and
do it right.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Then you got Shug who actually kind of wasn't a
street guy. It was a college guy that actually got
some street education and from the streets wore up right
two different opposites and ended up the same exact work.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
You know what, bro, you just added a level to
it to that I hadn't even thought of a right
and and that's the hell of a point, you know,
because I don't know shoes DNA, I don't know his
story real I hear it the same way that other
both do.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
I know that he's a thrill and twenty five dog
out there.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
You know that.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
You know, Yeah, he's not mad, he's not scared. He's
gonna make it, do what to do.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
But I don't want no point from none of that ship,
you know, unless I'm loaded, and.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Then let's go get it. But the difference between he
and Eric.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
That's easy bigger itself up from heaven right now? Yeah? Yeah,
call me Easy, I call me Eric.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Do you see difference between easy and it?

Speaker 1 (42:01):

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Sure Easy was quiet, but just as powerful. Sure was
flashy with his power. He wanted you to know it,
but Eric wouldn't. Didn't want you to unless you had
to know it. But you know he was because he
was getting it and you gotta show it.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Off because he didn't want to even wrap originally. Right.
Is that true?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Well, that's what they said, because.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
That's what That's what I've heard a bunch of times.
They was like clowning them to get into the booth.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
He didn't have any rap skills at all.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I love that. His rhythm was horrible, but he had charisma.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Character. That's right, that voice and that it that you
gotta have to be a and authenticity.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
That's right or what he was talking about.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Because one line he said, ice Cube writes the romes down.
I didn't know how hard that line was, so I
got older. I was like, he said, you.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Said, I had no idea he was gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I really want to say, I'm not gonna fake it
on the record.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I'm gonna tell you exactly what's going on, right, And
you know what, it's crazy. I don't think there's no
one in this world that don't look at Easy as
over see. I know everyone listen, he told that to
our face. He didn't he wasn't behind the back.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
And they arguing about all of these guys and the
trade something of these kind of that where he can't
be this because they all love it easiest the one,
you know. But that's that's the nature of this. That's
why I try never to get into those those colors
conversations because you notice this game, nor yet the artists.

We stand on the shoulders and those that came before us, nobody.
You can't be those that came after me. You can't
be the greatest without me, So we the greatest someone.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
It's a collective, it's a colue over the hell you
are true, But hold up you saying and I want
to clarify because you said that they ended up in
the same place, Sugar and Easy.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
What do you mean by that? Because he pretty much
like you know, came to power and then you know,
lost their power. That's what Because we really don't know
what would have happened with easy had he survived. That's true.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
See doctor Dre was the keeting everything, so.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
You think that's it. Once Dre left, what happened? You
don't think they would have ever amended their their problem.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, I think they did. Talks about seeing easy in
New York at the club. I think I think even
even in the movie, didn't they say that Dre him
at the hospital.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
Orth Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that they would have figured
they started out, yeah at the end of the day,
but but now business is vass Or is different.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
You can't go back to that.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
So you're saying it could have been another record besides
Grand Finale. I would have loved this too.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Then we can't forget Ren and a part of that
equation such an incredible as well.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You know what, I wanted to see easy E with
a Twitter, easy E on Instagram. He might not a
humor social media Nah, I think he would. I think
I think he would have been I think I think
he would have decision.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
He didn't have made a dollar.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And I notice is kind of a cliche to say
right now, right because most people when they're making history,
they kind of don't know they're making history or sometimes
it's kind of like you do you do know it
from the n WA days, Did you know you was
a part of the most iconic group that thirty five
years later, people is still the same exact way it's like,

and people are still saying the same exact message. It's
still fuck the police thirty five years later.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
I knew, we didn't know. I knew, bro, I knew. See.
Most think the gift is in my pen, but it's
in my ears.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
Oh, same as d thinks it's in its production. And
it's engineering. That's what the that's what the magic is.
So anybody, anybody can make a head record.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Anybody can we know, consistent making great ship, consistent quality. Yeah,
you have to have quality control. And that's hard for
niggas that don't give a fuck about quality. They just
give a fuck about.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Making sure that you don't disrespect them or they look
a certain way, or it's the stuff they talking about.
But Dre is an animal when it when it comes
to quality control. But those aren't rumors when they say
you'll be in there behind that microphone, not hours on
a word on a word he said. Now, when I

put the script on his ass and got him in.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
There that you don't like that, But.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
He taught me that you.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Probably the only one who could do that to him.
Though I think he don't like it, that's good, that's great.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
He does not like it.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I bet you the vocals come out good. That's right,
that's what we want.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
And uh uh, but I've seen them boys grow into
great iconic figures and I'm I'm extremely blessed that I
call them guys and my brothers right and to have
been on that journey with them man and go through

that learning process. But but ship, I'm ready for mine now.
You know, I love my guys, but I'm trying. I'm
trying to make some new dealc ship starting with that
film right then going into these communities with these schools
and these programs.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Then more mut.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Music, whether I had an operation M or just use
this AI opportunity. You know, I haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
AI opportunity saying like use the AI for little bit
his penant. He'll he could even say if lady was
trying to do that, Yeah, I heard that too.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
I think cigarettes out to me about that. Yeah yeah,
and uh, you know, everybody feel this way.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
They feel that way, but it's not possible for me
unless I get those masters back. So when the lady
called and said she was interested in giving me my
master's back, it seemed like a g O.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
D thing.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Okay, you ain't gotta go get cut on it. If
you you want it back that bad, I'll give it
to you. You know, trying to tell me that this
voice is important.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
You need to keep this one because when you talk now,
motherfuckers are doing this trying to what the fuck you
gotta say. And so I'm gonna take it advantage of
that that opportunity and and do the right thing with it.
But artistically, it's much more important for me to see

if I could do in Dallas for what I did,
and Dallas for worth of what what I helped do
in l A. That's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
It's a legacy thing for you.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
I ain't got the money yet, but uh, I got
my mind back. I mean, that's the most important thing.
I don't you know, I don't consume.

Speaker 5 (49:44):

Speaker 6 (49:47):
I try to stay away from all things for that now.
Now will smoke a little bit, which I will smoke it, uh,
but you know, I lead other stuff along because it's
a detriment to me and other folks that have struggled

with that stuff. I try to, uh, you know, be
responsible enough to be a light for other people that
might be going through that same ship that I had
to go through, because it's not gonna help you, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
If you're run him from some ship trying to.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
Find it in a bottle or in them pills or
or that that that that yeah yo, or whatever you're fucking.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
With, just be honest a poison.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
I in love what.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
You know, whatever you're doing it, you're only gonna get
past about by by facing your demon right whatever.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That is. Another one, let's talk about Future Shock right.
That was the name of the label before Death Row
Right and then and at that time when it was
called Future Shot, I believe it was you, Dre and
Shock as partners.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
It was me and Dre's company on the thirty five
percent apiece. Okay, uh, there was h thirty percent left
and Sugar and Dick Griffy where that where to split.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That that that Harry came after that, yeah, okay, so
so Sugar Dick Griffy took the other half.

Speaker 5 (51:18):

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Well, by the time Ireo came Sugar and Drake took
it a haul, and and and when they did their
business with uh, with Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
With Jimmy, and what was your relationship with Jimmy. He's
the only one I didn't see it in the documentary.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
I think Jimmy is a great guy. He's been He's
been a real positive uh influence on Dre right and
helping him get to where he is today. Right they
made He's helped my my guy make big as the dollars, right.
And so I can't get anybody a lot for Jimmy,
you know.

Speaker 3 (51:54):

Speaker 5 (51:56):
And i'ma I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna stick with that story.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I kind of I kind of felt like Jimmy was
special when when Dre left right and it was said
because I mean, obviously I'm not in the business like that,
it was said that he left millions behind, like when
he left death Row, he left millions behind, but he
chose to leave, but he chose to stick with Jimmy's right.

I knew that they had a special type of relationship.
I knew that Jimmy had to make whatever it was
with sug right, but he had to make sure that
he made sure his golden chob was right, and I
remember it was an aftermath project and then it was
a Firm project, which I was a part of. I
was a part of the Firm project was one of

one of the most successful records on the Firm projects.
You can look it up. You can look it up.
I remember, I remember, like I mean, recording with Dre
at that time, and you know, he was recorded with
a bunch of East Coast guys nas A Z. Kimmels around.

Speaker 3 (53:00):

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I believe, no, I don't think he was around that,
and I believe it was like Dre's like like I
don't want to call it purgatory, but it's like somewhere
where like you know, it wasn't he wasn't. He wasn't.
He was getting it together still. It's getting together still.
And I just remember him sticking with Jimmy, and I
remember there's something special about that relationship. There's something because

most people, like with the strict situation, he would have blamed.
Most people were blamed Jimmy as well.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Because he wasn't in business with both of them at
the same time, but both of them.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
But the fact that Drake didn't and it was like
I'm gonna move on, but I'm gonna move on with you.
I knew that Jimmy was bro.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
It ain't want to see you know, and you know
what was going on in that But sure that created
this world, but he controlled it. Dude said, content is
like prison, and really going to that studio every day
it was being like being on the yard. You know
you bro, it was it was rough. They was in

there looking like they was ready to bench press eight
thousand pounds.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
And ready to just do whatever going on.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Because I know this blood. I mean remember the Warren
g story alone. I don't remember you ever seeing you
wear rat at all. Look like you, brother, I don't
remember you ever seeing you wear rat.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Oh yeah, I wear red. Oh you know, Mom'm just
a gu'ma I'm a good nigga. Ray I can go.
I can go anywhere. Yes, I go to I go
to content. If I'm in, if I'm on one side,
they call me d oc. If I'm on the other side,
they call me d o B. I answered, everybody, it's

all good because I never going to I never understood that.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
That uh, the politics and.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Mentality the way the way they did. I was raised
in Dallas, Texas, man we.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Did in the projects.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Yeah, we didn't get out like that, right, you.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Know we was in gang banging going on.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Well, when I left, there wasn't banging.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Right until I came back. Yeah, or when I came
blood and gripping.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I mean, listen to the ice cue Summer vacation, right. Oh,
I always saying this shod the movie of that doll
explain everything.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
I left Dallas in eighty seven, eighty eight. When I
came back with a finished record in eighty nine, when
I left, it looked like everybody looked like Hudiny. When
I came back, everybody looked like Easy, the whole.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Fucking city era.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
It was like a cultural shock and shit, I was like,
what the fuck did happened?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Like these people haven't changed with me. You were to
call and they went to Collon too.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
I came back. I thought I was messing with They
all looked like me, and.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
We was all trying to look like Eric Easy.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
But what but what you what you said earlier today,
uh about that time period is exactly correct, right, that
hip hop is still in that same spot, and Easy
is still the prototype for every hip hop commercially successful

artist that's in the game.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Ninety nine point nine percent of them today.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Right. I mean if you listen to what you guys
was waiting for Easy and you listen to Trill, your
other father of it.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, listen to Trill music now Cbe was no, No,
you gotta take that part too.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
No, I tell you that you gotta take that part
to Cube was.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
The spirit but in w A that's why it had
a revolutionary.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Right on Cube lift Easy.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Is just a thug just want to talk about murder, death, guil.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
They don't give a fuck who dies, And so that's
wh it turned into that and that's what the world
was built up off of.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
And at least as far the music is concerned.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
But I mean had a little revolutionary site. It was
just he was way more hardcore about.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
It, right, But Cube was que led led those guys
musically artistically. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (57:29):
When when when he rolled and we followed the pathy
when he left, you know, everybody's just talking about, like
I said, murder, death, guil uh rn and started doing
uh it's more revolutionary stuff that he did his record
and then he could lead this because he was following error.

He was following the Easies lead after Cube left.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
You know, you know what's crazy people say that since
then that was that's probably like the West the last
West Coast on West Coast Beat.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Or l A.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah, I mean you're game and rast cast but other
than ice.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Cube Verse and and it got got pretty serious with
the Lynch Mob and and with n w A.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, it got pretty serious to step in, right, I
don't remember.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
I think farrakhn was a part.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Of q Cormon and yeah he got involved in that one, yep.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
But but it may have been the hostile on records,
but it never made it streets, Yeah, never made it
very far. Chase Dreve wasn't trying to and I don't
think easy was it was.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
You know, he was still winning, right, you know, he
had found the bone guys, right, so he was back
in the game, mh. And we was just trying to
figure out how we going in where the you go now?
Because Cravers, I don't want to say afraid he didn't
know what he was gonna do. You know, he didn't

want to do a record. He didn't like his voice,
you don't like how he sounds. He doesn't think he
could carry up a solo record, like yes, you can.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Just want to be behind the boards.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Yeah, but no, bro, you all we.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Got his name was too big.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
He was the one and don't worry about it. I'm
gonna be right here and we don't want to woo.
But he didn't feel it. But when Snoop came and
uh one, she played a demo which Snoop Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Two three, that's warm and g Snoop and.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Yeah played at a bachelor party for somebody that's crazy,
and and the bachelor party loved Snoop. Snoop came to
the studio the next day or two and and.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
That was it. You know, it was on after that
and they he moved.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Snoop moved from Long Beach into my house in the
valley and we did that for about six months. Then
I got kicked out and we all moved into drad
But that's how he got made. But we be in

that small and dank and somebody will say something and
then we'll be back at it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
You know, it was beautiful. It was beautiful times because
it was just a close knit group of friends.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I can't lie to you when I look at the footage.
Are y'all making the chronic and y'all just in the
studio and Dre hitting the pianos and y'all just sitting
there bullshitting like I just wanted to be a fucking
fly on the wall, bro Like, because again, I just
asked you this question earlier. Did you know he was
making history? He said, you kind of did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Oh, yeah, you had to know him because already what
you're accomplished of that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Even if that's the case, you might have known you
making history and you don't know the grad video is
because I mean, you know how it's gonna impact where
it's gonna go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Well, when you made the chronic you heard just like
you heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I heard it. Imagine that the studio you already know
what it was.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
And you went from she Thinks to little Ghetto Boy
to raditat Tide and all of these. He was like, Oh,
he's finna kill these mother and then Snoop is gonna
be matter of fact, one Deep Covered drop. Yeah, he
was like, oh man, this shit is over with this

nigga's mylan and Dre the video to Deep Covered Trade
didn't even want to do the video. I had to
trick him to get up in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
The show and say just give him a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
He was salted at the mother bird because he didn't
want to do the video. By the time you got
your ass up there, you lake the back out.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
Now you can kind of see it in his face
I think in the video.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Damn, like he's bitter.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
He was bist want to be there. You had to
get him now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
But that record single handedly was like they set off
that whole movement, and it was crazy because it's who
is Dre. Everybody knows Dre, and it's this brand new
artist being put out there equally with Dre. So that's
what makes a crazy impact.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Everyone's scared to death if you if you look at that,
that video so bad as a problem connecting with the camera,
the camera because he doesn't know yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
All street people, well, let me tell you something. If
you from the streets, if you look at anybody that's
from the streets, you cannot look at the camera direct
because we were taught not to be in front of
the cameras, and then we go from not to be
in front of the cameras to saying, hey, oh so
you're always the most awkward in your first year. So said,
I didn't know that. Continue the g Thang video.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
You see it the deep cover video. You see it,
but now you're seeing you know what I mean. But
he's got he's on him. He's making shrimps with Martha.
Now you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
That's all up there with old Martha. But Martha did
the bed though, yeah, Martha Gangster. No, no, yes, I
think Martha got a razor on her though. She tried
chopping it up with Snoop's got a razor. He motherfucking tongue.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, she loves you do.

Speaker 8 (01:03:33):
I want to talk about the Stewart. I want we
gotta have on drinks. Whoever you have, you drink?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Okay, so we got, we got. This is a game
we're going there right, let's call it quick time of slop.
So we know you're not drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
If you want one of your homies to be a
designated drinker.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
You could do that. You have me, okay, all right,
Phil Jamie, you gotta fill them up over.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
There, Freddy game, all right, you got Freddie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Gang Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is how we play.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
So if you can pick one or the other, if
you pick both of you be politically correct, then then
then your friend drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
But we're gonna drink. Drink we're gonna leave them out there.
You know what I mean, and it is meant to
trick you. So both are neither yeah, both or neither answer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
We're drinking. And by the way, we don't make up
these questions. Me and the human guy is the Colombian
guy Dominicans, so we don't make up these questions. Okay,
by the way, this first one off top. You're gonna drink, sir.
We're all drinking a drinking Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Uh with the drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
We got all kinds of so whatever you want, whatever
you want, what do you have them? Okay, we do vodka? Yeah, okay,
you ready Jamie, doctor dre or snoop.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
Because I knew you was gonna do that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:07):
I thought about that because I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Might as well bring a couple. Mine is here. I'm
gonna drink. I'm gonna drink, you say both, right, you
know what. I'm not only drinking to that, but I'm
drinking to the love they have for you. Again, I'm
not I want to give up the documentary, but I

want I want to send people to go watch this
motherfucker ship. We should premiere here. I would love, I
would love, I would love to let me say something.
Let me just say something. It's not it's not today,
it's not today. Show show him love. It's the genuineness
in their voice. Like when you look at them at
that documentary, they proud to be there. You understand what

I'm trying to say. They they are happy to lend
their time to this legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Shared legacy and real relationships, real relation that's what people
need done this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
So I gotta tap my hat off to you to
them for that solo. Mmmm that one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You need an ice in there warm my chest got
mad hot. And if you've got any stories while anybody
we mentioned, stop tell us the story.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
What's your name?

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
My man?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Freddy K? Yeah, freddy K. He's gonna get you fucked
up today if you be fucked up with you though
for all the years of him not drinking, because that
was one of the parts of the documentary too, He said,
I haven't drank in fifteen and they said, what is that?
Fifteen days? Okay? Easy or tupac.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
M y'all ain't right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I take a shot for that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Yeah, you got the train, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Okay, you get the next one.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
You're right there, right bro? You want to be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Ice Cuba scarface go.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Ahead, bro, I just show. I was just with Face
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Don't tell me y'are playing golf.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
No, yeah, I'm showing down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Okay, okay, okay. And he wanted a coin on the
desk ding. Oh that was oh the tiny desk. Yeah yeah, he.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Killed, yeah, killed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I think that's one of the best tiny desks I've
ever seen, bro Like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
It was at a place in Dallas called the Bomb
Factory and went straight out of comfin the movie came out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Motherfuckers was blowing my people were blowing my, you know,
blowing me up like you in the market.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
They talked me into doing a concert, and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
And and Face was in. Face was locked up in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Atlanta, and he got one of the boys from Houston
to get to bond him out so he could catch
a flight to get home to Houston. Then drove four
hours to Dallas to be in that show with me.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Face right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
So when he when I heard it, he was, I said,
all right, hell, I gotta go down there and stump
to yawn for my guy. So scar faced me in
a lot, he said, Texas. He said, he's an alarm
from my state, one of the few guys that's in
my class. That I really respect. In fact, he was

in a rat pack that was in Atlanta in those days.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
It was me and bim C.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Park and Breed Richie rich from Atlanta and took them
from Oakland and too Shortland.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Yeah, and we all hung out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Everybody was living in Atlanta. Yeah, Eric Sermon, who was
down there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, very very you got a very
important man.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Magic was my friend. Yeah, because I was bawling then
and I was going there and man, lean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
She said, you had a better than this, but you
used to go to sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
That was in my dis days.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
I was one of the few people that that, like
when anybody's ever been in Magic, the o g one.
You know, you you walk in and the club is
over there, but when you see as you walk in
the door, there's no door right here that leads downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
That's where he got the layouts.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
That's what Magic's office is, and the girls go to
the to do their thing. I was one of the
few folks that Magic would let go down, man, because
I was just loaded.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
Man, I don't even know how to ask now.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
I'm just walking through it, like and they lit that
ain't nobody that's die. Let him alone. I'd be down
that doing man, look in you couldn't put that part in.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
The movie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Drink Drink. I think we chaers the ecstasy on the low.
I'm just dreading it before ecstasy, I believe evolved their
heads somewhere. I'm just being all right, okay, A just
one go ahead, Na's or jay Z.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Boy, You're gonna be fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Damn I feel bad, you know, man. Let me tell
you something. And this this.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
It's kind of because I met The first time I
met do Eyes, it was in the middle of my
addiction for Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
And he rode his bicycle along. I went to I
was doing a video for a song called on that
Elter Skelter record and what's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
The guys just nutsty it's the the.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Title from Dre and made the album myself and put
it out. That's why you never heard.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
But uh, he rode his bike all the way uptown
to holler see doc out. And when you when you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Mhmm out there, you know it's it's a it's a
weird space, bro.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Like when you're when you when you fucked up, you
really don't want to like be around or you don't
want to be around nobody. You just want to be
somewhere where you got. I guess you can think. I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
I don't know, but uh, it wasn't the best introduction doing.
But he was a gentleman man, so much class, and
uh I had I had a chance to say the
same thing. Then I said sin to you years later.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
And so I never had a chance to meet jay Z.
I never met him, So I don't have any reference
for him. But I got h got tons of respect
for nurs not just as a as an MC is
one of the goats, but just as a human being.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Let's take a shot to that. You know who he picked.
Let's take a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
He's saying, drink. I feel like it's gonna be that
one for us today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Okay, Jacob put my name and a song. I can't
That's why you know, I can't go the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Now you see that he was the R O c R.
Public Service Anno, that's goddamn it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Come on, Boys in the Hood or Medicine Society and
Minister's Society. The movie Yeah yeah, yeah, I ain't right.
They could be whatever criteria you whatever criteria you want.

Maybe he was on a good movie. When you saw
one movie.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
Man, that's just bad y'all trying to just do a nigga.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Because Menace was a great movie for that time, Old
dog Yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
It was a great movie for that time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
M C eight was incredible in that movie. Now I'm
like nigga, he was old dog man. I'm scared them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
Saying, why are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Got Man of Curs and Ship? You meeting little like nigga?
You o dog man, he's a real actor. That's what
a Man of Curas in mass Carroll on and Ship.
I'm just playing and boy to say, man, it's on
that one really Okay, man, it's okay, that's cool. We
ain't drinking all right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
The Chronic or Doggy Style and this one says he
must pick one. I didn't they put that. They put
in parentheses in.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
The Chronic even though sonically Doggy Style is a much
better record.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Uh, I kind of kind of get I got that.
I listened to him back and forth yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
But the songs, the actual songs that are put together
are better on the Chronic.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
It's a better journey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
It's more fun, right, entertaining the foundation to it. Yeah,
it's the foundation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah, he learned to perfect that for doggy style.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Yeah, and there's a song called.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
I've been Top and stop it like a rabbit when
I get the mini rocks, you know, like I still
have it ship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Isn't it? Yuh?

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
First time I've heard Snoop freestylear song. There's no words
to that, and it wasn't I'm a sit and think
of the line and say the next line. It just
came in and started rapping it. It's why the line
the rhymes. Maybe Sam elementary because that's the way he
structured his stuff as a kid. But he that song

took about three minutes to make seem like the nigga
just came in there. Drake cut the beat on, dude
started rapping. Drake said, stop, get out the booth, wait
for wait for the break, then come back here in
a minute start stop starting, no no retakes, no nothing,

one time through.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
That was one take, one time through.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
And the only other.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
Person that is ever I've ever seen do that besides
myself and the studio was corrupts.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
He Rubb was a one take guy, a lot a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
He brings us to our next question, dazz are corrupt?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Oh man, y'all I can't do it. Y'all better get
you something. Who is we go?

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I'm gonn talking about the time I hung out with
you and Dog Pound two. I don't know if you remember.

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
We go to those guys, really, man, those Long Beach guys, really,
the Donald Pound guys really made la because me and
Dry used to feud.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Because even though Long Beach is not considered l a right,
it's not considered that's right. Okay, but those days took me.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Today they hood and I'm on the block with these boys,
and I'm kicking it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Like you know, there's no red in Long Beach. It's
all blue.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
I don't have to worry about where I am or no,
you know, because I'm with these boys and I haven't
seen I don't seen these I haven't seen folks get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Killed for you know, just aroun from sixties right, Let
me not he he wants to you to know he's
from sixty Oh yeah, he don't play that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
But he from Philly, from but but he but he
he's a he's a neighborhood guy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Every now and then I just like to get corrupt
mad because I like to have him to do you cut.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Let me tell you something if you've never heard Corrupt
curse when he's in crib.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Mole, it's the wonderfulest thing ever. I'm just being honest
with you. But you just gotta pis him of up
a little bit and he he can't stop saying.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Cook cook cook cook cook cook, coup cool on and
he just keep going and he.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
It's the it's the most beautiful ist binocular. I was
in the human language when Corp is mad and he's
just on his cuk cook cut me.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
And uh Corrus going at it. When I was when
I out there, I hang with them boys. During that
Grammy celebration, I was talking to Corrupt and he was,
you know, Cruppers a dude, deep dude, Like you don't
get that from him just on GP. But he's a

deep thinker. He's just is you know what I mean,
Like you can't come up with words.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Like lyricists yet and he drink. Oh yeah, yeah, but
he was.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
But I was. I was in a space where I
fell not the most comfortable, uh.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
In in that space because up until that point, nobody
ever called me for nothing. I mean, but when they
get the awards, so they get to this, so they
get to that. But Q made it a point.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
I see that, uh, and he would and he kept, no,
you gotta no, you gotta come out, No, you need to,
you know. And so I said, you know what I'm coming.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Never gave me no Grammy though now I mind didn't
show up. So uh, if you're listening, I tell what's
the ladies? And I got some woman's name. I said,
thanks the lady sent to an email or.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
You know, decide to give me a Grammy this year?

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Show up just in case I forgot my actress. But
when when I saw what's the ballplayer? Uh uh for Boston.

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Not tayle them the other guy Jaylen Brown? When when
Jaylen Brown showed up for Q at.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
That or the Walker thirty three thing or the Big
three or Big three.

Speaker 6 (01:19:59):
Thirt I says the que that was a light he
gave you in front of the whole world when you
called me about that Grammy thing, that was a light
you were giving me in front of the whole world.
So I had to come and accept that gift from
you just on GP because when you when you when

you inducted into the Rock and Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, you said, doctor is my guy, and he
should be here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
I wish he was here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
He helped write all the records.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
So you was giving a precursor then that next time
we do this, I'm gonna call my God. And he
was true to that, and so I had to be
a real woman stand up there with you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
But but there's something about you that makes everyone want
to give you your props like that. It's not just Cube,
it's not just Dre, it's not just Snoop, it's not
just them. It's something about you, like the industry wants
to give you your flowers.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
Yeah, bro, it's the door guys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Want to get you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
You you saw, you saw. Can you give me a
reason why that? You know what I mean? Can you
give me a reason? I can't give you a reason.
But the reason I look at it like this, there's
a it's a g O D thing. And so this

path that I walked, and I told my I told my.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
My mother when I was coming, we're taking drink chemps
to church because it's the g O.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
D thing And they need to know that. That's why
the g O D thing is a d O C thing.
That's right, goddamn it. So when they say why oh,
why didn't it happen like this? Or why did it
happen like this? Because it's a g O D thing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
He needs he need folks to know this is not
happening because of this person, happening because of that person,
or not happening because of this person that is a geod.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Thing, or when it's his time, watch what he do.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
And so and so even us having this opportunity to
sit down and talk, it's a part of that plan, bro,
you know what I mean. We've been talking for two years.
I most when you're gonna come, I say, I don't
have no nothing to talk about. But when the Grammy
thing happened, I said, well, now now I feel like
I got something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Well let me tell me. Just tell you something. This
is your house. You don't need nothing to talk about.
If you want to come over here and talk about
pink toe. Now, he's not gonna talk about that because
he's not opening that door. But we don't care, because
you know what, we created this platform for you. We
created this platform for us, for people. You know, there's

no other genre in this game that has this word
washed up like people say you did ten years in
this game and they want to throw us away. They
don't do that in they don't do that in jazz.
I'm not gonna allow them to do that in hip hops, right,
I'm not. I just can't. They say that wine gets
better with time. How the fuck we ag't?

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
What the fuck is we doing? I'm not lying that
on my This show is created for that, and we're
gonna continue to do it. And guess what, we're great
at it, motherfucker.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
We're great at it's great at giving people flowers who
deserve it. That's because the more, the more they say,
the black and the barrier sweet of the youths. Motherfucker's right.
That means when we go with time, we get better
with time. We don't get worse with time. Only people
who get worse with time and stupid people. And I
don't think we're stupid at all at all, bro at all.
We're out here doing this and again, let me get

back to the documentary, because it shows how much you
mean to the community, how much you mean to hip hop,
how much you mean to humanity, and how you brong
at three sixty. I believe it's a pastor. What's the
black brother's name that you got with in the documentary.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Reverend Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Reverend Johnson. Okay, okay, he's Martin Luther King. Guy, he's
the new Martin Luther King. Oh yeah, well we need
to talk about him.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
He was in he was with him, Yeah, yeah, he
was in college when King started his non violent movement.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
He worked.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
Really closely with He's the same age as sharpening those guys,
you know. And they sent him to Dallas in sixty eight. Wow,
Reverend Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Wow. Two another one. Jamie cleared away for doctor King
to come through because the city didn't want King.

Speaker 11 (01:24:56):
There both sides, you know what I'm saying, Democrat and no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
I mean I mean the white folks and the black
fo's right, that's right, didn't want doctor kimps, right, the black.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
Preachers during that time. Okay, what's on doctor Reben Johnson's
head about? Because they didn't want it, you know what
I mean? Because he doctor King would be messing up
their money.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
Know how the game goes, bro it's nothing. It was
probably nothing different than.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Doctor that's just too. That's what I heard. You had
to that he was going to dress her. He was outside.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Telling about doctor Camp he was for that. I mean,
I don't mean that's that's what they used. It help
pro against them. They try to use that against them,
but that he was having an affair, that's what they
tried to use.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
The follow up. They finally.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
G Bro the wrong man, respect the kid Bro still.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Follows out the can.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
That's a weak argument, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
I try to get you to not like a brother,
you know what I mean, Like, because he had.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Suicide, they try to get him the commit suicide and
going to King. Yeah, that f b I. They tried
to use that against them. They they spied on him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
They found out that he was having an affair, and
they tried to get him the commissions.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
He got a little trim while he was getting a tram.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
I'm still don't go off of my research research, but
that what I seen Peter Peter Johnson came down.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Peter Johnson. That's that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
Lader ground work for doctor King. And they killed him
that year, you know, I mean that was the year
he died.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Oh doctor King, I'm thinking it was Jane Peter Johnson.
I'm like, I've just seen him in the document.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
So he dies.

Speaker 6 (01:26:42):
And Reverend Johnson stays, uh for a while or not,
and then they asked him to come back. But there
had been a particular police story going on back then
about this particular policeman who was executing black and brown kids.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Wow in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Yeah, okay, I think uh uh he w.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
One of the stories is it was a little uh
the the Latin kid's name was Santos, I think, and
he had the kid handcuffed in his car and he
was playing Russian Roulette with his pistol, trying to get
the kid to to confess to something and and and
blew his head off, you know. And Reverend Johnson stopped

the yard. He had all the you know, did all
the things that they did back then, get the police
off the street. Wow, And uh, he said, what the
story he tells me is he went in stomping it
and uh and the powers that be told him that
they would get him off the street, but they couldn't
prosecute him from killing a a a nigga, you know, right,

And so they took him off the street. And then uh,
the folks in Atlanta called uh Reverend Johnson back to Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
And when.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
Reverend Johnson went back to Atlanta. They gave to dude
his gun and put him back on the street. He
went right back I there and kept another baby. And
when he did that, Peter Johnson came back to Dynason.
He was there ever since. Matter of fact, with the
year I was born, Peter Johnson was walking around in
the projects I.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Was born in, feeding people. Yeah, man, And so I
wanted for him.

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
I wanted that light to be on him in this
documentary way, yeah, bro, because he deserved it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Like he's the most humble man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I knows, unassuming.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Person, doesn't care about money.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Still to this day, he's out there struggling trying to
help other folks, right, and so I'm trying to, you know,
do what I can to help him now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
And he said, he linked with you, He said, because
people want your autograph, not his, when they should want his.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
You know what, man, because without them, he paid the
way for all of these boys that can get out
didn't get that money like that. They wouldn't have been
able to do it without this guy. M I forget
what the quote is. They said, Uh, this kind of
father makes this kind of child, that makes this kind
of child, that makes this kind of child when it

goes so in a circle like, uh, we back on
the the Malcolm's and the Martins. We need them niggas
to show up right about now, you know. And they
gonna come from the street. See that's how everything comes
from the street. Bro the wind and the loss us
from the street. When I talk to these young boys,

I used the uh, the story of Samson.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
And the Bible to try it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Yeah, and you relate that to your voice.

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
No, I'm I'm relating that story to them because if
you know the story in the book, Samson didn't do
but two things they didn't preach to nobody ain't getting
them getting them by the word.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
He did two things, Uh mess with women and whoop
a whole lot of ass.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
And that's not a whole lot different from what these
boys is doing. The only difference is he understood whose,
I guess is the best way whose he was that
there's a purpose why he was doing it. He wasn't
just doing it to be So I tell these young
boys that if you all killer, that's that's great. Let's
figure out that the best reason why you're gonna do it,

so you're not just doing something to be doing something.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
If you're gonna throw away, throw away your life, then
then be purposeful with it. With purpose, you know, I mean,
same way these.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
Folks put on the stars and stripes and they go
over here to wherever they're at and and bust them
folks in the ass. It's the same thing, but your
purpose makes it seems like it's it's it's it has
a different meaning to it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
So I tell these boys in these neighborhoods that as
far as that what those weapon and so concern you
or your savior or or your enemy, it's you because
you got the gun. These same way the Black Panthers
used to say that this little circle is it's hours.
We're not letting nobody come in here and do nothing.

You know what I mean, whether you know whether you
got blue on or red on or black on or circle, yeah,
it's not going on in here, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
If you guys developed that attitude, then whatever y'all do
inside this circle, as long as it's not harm and
nobody get your money.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
That's real.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
We still have a quick time of slom. Forgot that.
I'm gonna take a quick pistol slim right, that's I.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Can take a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Be back later.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
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Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
F or n.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
It might not work though.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Ahead, we got the number one team in the Northwest Division,
the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
They will be playing the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Number two team in the Atlantic Division, New York Knicks
in Madison Square Garden. I know this is a favorite
fan favorite is so let me get ready to it.
I'll go on with Knicks automatically. Automatically laffers on that.
So for total points New York.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Knicks averages one eleven point nine, are they going to
hire or lower?

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
At home?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
We're gonna go higher. In fact, J're gonna be there,
Spike Lee gonna be there eating hot dogs and corn dogs.
I think Rosie parad is coming out, you know what
I'm saying. So I think I'm gonna go higher, diego
hire lower one eleven point nine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
I'm gonna go lower than one eleven nine, although they
will still win.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Okay, Now for the young guns, the number one team,
These guys are running the off n They're led by
the youngest cat shy gilge is Alexander. For Oklahoma City,
they average one twenty point seven a game. We're gonna
higher lower than one to twenty point seven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
I'm gonna stay higher. I'm gonna say lower because bright lights,
big city, a lot of people, you know, think you ready,
but it's still one of the greatest places to play
on Earth. It's the massive square Guarden. A lot of
people can see those bright lights in that big city
and they kind of fold. So, as a young team
not too much experienced, I think the Garden is gonna
be the winner of this game. You say they're gonna

be deer and has a big deal. That's a big statement.
Now we're going to continue in this format. So for assists,
gilgis Alexander. He averages six point three assists with a
turnover average of two point two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
So we're doing higher lower, Efen, I'm gonna say lower
on the assists. Lower lower is six point three and
are you yeah, I'm going lower lower.

Speaker 11 (01:34:02):
With the horrible New York Niggas defense, I say, hi,
second mouth, I'm keeping it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
One hundred percent. It's about money. This is not personal.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
This is about the money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Jalen Brunson, he averages six point four. Says hire lower higher, Yeah,
I'm going higher, higher, higher, Okay. Jalen Brunton is a monster, man,
a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
He's doing it. Need scoring Now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
For rebound category, we're introducing a new player to this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I wish he was gonna come back. I'm gonna drink
Champs Kicks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
We have check home grown. He averages seven point nine
rebounds a game. Check homegrown, home grown, homegrown, home grown.
He got hurt in the first practice last year, so
they red shared him. He's back as a rookie. He's
about seven something guy. So he averaged seven point nine rebounds.
Higher or lower.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
He's a nick. No, he's an okay see, he's an
okay see. He's gonna go lower this, sir, higher, higher,
absolutely higher.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Now, who's gonna combat him is Isaiah Hardinson.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
He is a nick. He's eight point four rebounds. Diego,
what are we doing? We're gonna need him to go
higher for the neck winning. So for the points, let's
just ended with the two All stars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Jalen Brunson twenty seven point five points throughout the season.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
He's going higher or lower than twenty seven point five.
I'm gonna say he's going higher again, bright light, big c.
This is his time.

Speaker 11 (01:35:26):
It is his time, Sonny, one hundred percent higher because
he's going to battle the young STU. He's gonna put
up at least forty who my opinion, I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Won't go as high as forty, but I'll say higher
than thirty, higher than thirty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
They might come out with the Trump sneakers on the
game entirely those for Gildgas Alexander for ok s Oh, No,
he's not. I'm going low off for Gildge. Yeah, I
say higher, I say higher. He's a kid and they
let him fifty times if he wants. I'm gonna okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Use the code drink Champs, Drink or Champs.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Jada kiss or push your T kiss kiss okay? Illmatic
or reasonable doubt, illmatic ghetto boys or U GK Yeah

yeah drink U yeah, okay? All right? Cool solo oh
shots straight out of Compton or niggas for life, straight
out of competent Styles, p or Rick Ross, Damn Ross,

eminem or Busta Robs.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
Uh yeah you my one. Don't get you on them now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Okay, all right cool Jamie, where you at you? Yeah?
We wait on you, Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Were we at? Yeah? Both of those guys. It is
my guys.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Yeah, okay, so we we we we owe one shot?
You got your shot? Oh I don't got a shot?
You got a shot too? Yeah, how I'm the only
one whatever. I mean, I'm pouring my own.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
So okay, yeah, let me take myns. Thank you? Where
we Yeah? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Yeah, DJ Quicker battle Cap.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Damn bro like hm hm and fuck this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I love I love that. We're almost not done. I
love that. I love that DJ Battle Quick battle Cap
battle Quicker battle quick Like. I like that. I like
that both. Yeah yeah good the next one. I want

to switch this one up. Okay, Lady of Rage now
this is Lady of Rage of remy ma Rage.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
I mean, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
I was gonna say, just out of respect, passing boss,
you know, rest in peace to Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Well boss, I was gonna say boss because she just
passed away.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
And he was in Dallas. Forward love her.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
She's from Detroit. Ell Man she was ill.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Somebody just sent me up a screen shot.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
A few days ago off an album that she never released.
Her album cover was a was a duplicate of my
album cover.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Oh wow. She was definitely influenced by everything y'all were doing.
You could see that. Uh, Carris want to rock him?

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
Ah, man, come on now, and I love Chris Love.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
That means you're saying, come on, bro, he's my god
because because you kind of didn't curse, like rock him,
that's my god?

Speaker 12 (01:39:30):

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Is that the reason why you didn't curse was to
rock him? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Bro, however good I got to be, it's because I
was trying to be as good as rock him.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Was wow.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
No, he said he picked the game you should drink
for making later slick record Biggie her Dog slick Ricord, Biggie.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
That's man, y'all gotta drink on that one. Cut ship
because I can't say nobody ever big here, but.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
I said, oh, how much respect you have a bigger's
though I.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
Can't say nobody ever slick.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
I respect that like that from my my humble opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:40:13):
Bro, there's only two people that that have ever touched
the microphone to me and created a street where there
was no street, and the first guy was well shipped.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
They was the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
It was slick Rick and rock Him. Before those guys came,
everything was syncopated in one way. The floors were all similar.
Then rock Him took that shit and bented around the
corner and and slick Rick came and did some ship
that only he could do and then started trying to

do do it the way he was doing it. But
but man, I yeah, those those two guys are my
rushmore guys for me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I agree, Big Daddy Kane or El Cool j mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Yeah, Now I'm gone take it on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Drinking drinking.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
Yeah, you got to drink it because I was a
uh Big Daddy Kane who was a great friend. And
I got a story about cool ja.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Okay, let's let's hear him both.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
Please. Well, when I was, uh, you've seen this in
the movie, you just didn't show up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
When when I did the show that my dad slept
to the to the show and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
He left, yeah because he was fucked up. Yeah yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
Caine was on that show. Oh yeah, I didn't see that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
He came and sat with me and he's like, man,
I know this is a hard time for you in
the bast paper like he gave me the ultiml who.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Was that that was your first show since he's losing
your boy? Yuh? And then that was your first I'm
back on stage? Okay continue And I.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
Only did that once wow, because I realized trying that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
I can't do this but you know, and why because
because you were drunk or because of it, I was
heard you were exerting yourself too much.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
It was no, I was live singing. Oh, it wasn't that.
It wasn't the other part that heard it was the insign.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Yeah, you just didn't feel it. I heard you say
you are real, MC, You're real. Go on bro, yeah
he's track over there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
Bron used to say, we don't use that. It's this
or that you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Right, you know?

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
And so they talked me into it because the record
that just took off and it was you know, but
I was like, I can't do it. But and my dad,
who had never seen me rap before.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
That was his first time. So I didn't know that part.
I thought that was his first time walking out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
We didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
We didn't have one of those relationships. He never he
never even knew what?

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
But what record is this? That your what record had came.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
Mouth of mind? No, I do it better.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
I just came out really so this is what ninety
what or.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
Eighty eighty nine, ninety eight, eighty ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Nine, it was New Year's Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Ninety The record came out of August the first. The
rec happens November the eleventh, Wow. And I'm doing that
show on January the first.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
So eleven eleven, bro, All right, well we're not asking
everybody's day. Everybody's apart. That's what's so dope about. Everyone
feels at his fucking story. That's what's so dope. I
can't even be married, like we just started shooting up

and ship I was going on this day. I swear
to god, I can't even mad at them.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Oh oh yeah, Big Pun or Big Al radio podcast podcast.
Rather be loved or feared loved me too, Drake or
Wayne Wayne.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Primo or Pete.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Rock mm hmm yeah, let's come and get this money. Okay,
be All is my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
We fight every year, really, prim Rock fight every year.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
Every football season. You know he's a Giants fan.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
You are stealers, that's right, right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
You talk about Yeah, that's dope. Yeah, they got ahold
of they got a nice little thing. And and of
course the Cowboys is the.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
Ship, yes, the hat.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
No, I'm definitely a cowboy cowboy head.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Bro, who who you're riding with?

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Ride with the Jets? Okay, we haven't right with the Jets.

Speaker 10 (01:45:09):

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
The Jets don't even win the Jets. That's why it's
hard being like. By the way, let me just say something.
I haven't watched the next game this whole season. You
know what, I think you're a bad luck. I think
I'm bad luck.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
I think every time I watch the next they start losing.
So do you watch it the day after? No, I
just I've been trying to stay out the season. We're
doing great. We're doing great. Last year, got a rent
in the streak. I started watching it's over. So I
actually didn't want to say this publicly, but I actually

think it is. I think I'm the Jinks. So I
haven't watched this year. Hopefully we can make it somewhere.

Speaker 12 (01:45:54):

Speaker 6 (01:45:54):
No, they got a great little young squad, the ball
us down out there and Brunt and a great addition,
maybe a piece of two away from being.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Relevant, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
And we need like a definitive star. Yeah, yeah, need
a star.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
Yeah that's dry.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Ain't gonna lie. I think they should put me in.
I don't think so. I'm just being honest, don't be
I'm I'm hit him with the funky chicken. You might
as well just go to the Big three, go to
the Big three. I can go to the Big three.
I go to the Big Three.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
I'm like, uh, Jets guy like kind of a.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Uh, not the Yankees, but Matt's that's that's kind of
a Mets guy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
Just because they they never think they're gonna win, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
So he like the underdog.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
Yeah, you know I'm an underdog guy. I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:46:51):
And so I fuck with the with Aaron Rodgers and
it's yes, because I thought he gave him a legitimate
shot last year.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
He didn't give Yeah, I felt like that was that
was the doors. That's right, he went to the doors.
He went to the doors.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
He got hurt. Twelve seconds is a jack, right. This
nigger came in and was like, hey, I'm fucked up,
you know, signed the contract and was like I he
he's over this is it?

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
Is it for me?

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
He put on some Muslim over you and he was like,
hey man, let me go break. Nigga had early get
the fuck out of here. You fucked me up this season.
I thought I bet it on you. I thought she
was a good guy from Green Bay and what.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
They had the hell of a defense ship. He could
have just stood up and did half a decent job.
I could eat that division.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Could it came in two games? This nigga was first
because his name is this nigga got hurt in kindergarten.
And this is why it's perfect time to download under
the door drink Champs. That's right, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Uh wait, I got Phila or Theodora feel. I was
hoping he was gonna say that, okay, yay, or for Ralph.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
That's a tough one we drinking because yeah, it's just cold.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Any stories.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
I ain't got no ye stories, bro, I went on, I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Don't know why. I feel like there's a secret studio
session with Dad.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
Was telling me about a session there where he came up.
I think he was mixing his gospel record. He said, yeah, man,
we was just mixing the record and he disappeared. I
went upstairs, that there was sleep sleep in the bed.
I was like, wow, that's crazy in the little guest
house that he felt comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
To go up there and go up me just in
another thing, cred, Yeah, that's uncomfortable. He did take his shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
To drink jazz, hung out, took up his shoes, open
the refrigerator.

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
I never I never had a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
You never had a chance. He's a nice guy. Did
you meet for I have? Okay, okay, both both nice guys. Yes,
both nice guys.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
A lot of respect for Pharrell. Bro. He's a super
talented dude for his whole his whole ride.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Yeah, so we're saying both right, Yeah, okay, so we
said both. Yeah, he's saying both.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Can't I can't take away?

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Man, get it together. I'm watching you, buddy, get the
next one.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Buddy's yeah, yeah, legend a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
That's a little bit. Okay, but yeah, but but but
you notice we take we take a small show.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
We know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Yeah, because it's a lot of question. It's a long game.
Miss let's see. Okay, I respect that sug Night or
puff Daddy, sug Knight. Where did you stand with the

East Coast, West Coast beef when it was going on.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
You know what I'm saying that was that was not good.
But I just hate bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Yeah, me too, you know what I mean? For what?

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
And then the magazines and that's what really created it
was people against people like Crew against Crew. It wasn't
East Coast against West Coast, right, It was the magazines
and the media that exacerbated and then made everybody, you know,
Vibe particularly they were the first ones.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Yeah, yeah, I believe they did a bad Boy cover
and then they did a Death Ro cover right after
each other, and it set set it off everything. I
believe that's when in the time that they were saying
that it was you, Dre and Shug. But then that cover,
the actual Vibe cover like actually almost erased you and

put Sugar in there. And they've had the three stars.
It was Dre, Snoop and I forget who else was
on that Vibe cover. There was four people, wasn't it, No,
it was three? Put was pocket?

Speaker 5 (01:51:16):

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Yeah, was that the time. I believe in the documentary
you said, I think you alluded to it. You didn't
have that power, but you didn't know it at that time.
Was that something that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
No, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
That must have been a difficult time for you to
be out.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
I was struggling in that time, you know. Okay, pro
addiction is not easy, but you know what I mean,
And I salute anybody they're gonna walk that path and
stand back up because they take a lot out of you, bro,
when you get lost. But I respect all of those guys.

I'm not bitter. No, you don't want those guys. I
wouldn't have changed anything.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Wow, you know, because I've been in some places that's
there's some really messed up stuff could have happened to me.
It should wasn't there, you know what I mean. Wow,
I've seen and there's a couple of stories where I
was out there and they had to come get me,
you know, and came in, you know with the hornt
and then and then and then with the.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
You know, the Calvalry care bro, because I was wilding
out out there. And uh so I got nothing more respect.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
For those guys that handled their business in ways that
I wasn't ready to handle for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
I forget, didn't you have Dazzle corrupt on the show.
And one of them was like, fuck, sugar, you hear everything.
But then, you know, what that's a human.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
A human is a good person and a human is
a fucked up person, So it could be both are
true at the same point.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
I don't I don't want no smoke with with Sugar
Bear from it. And he's doing his podcast from yeah,
and so I'm gonna stay out of his way because
he got a itchy trigger finger, right and he don't care,
you know what, I man, that's how you getting this

his thing? Because I talked to him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
A couple of times since he's been incarcerated in that place.

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Okay, hell y, you know like Ario did that a lot.
I don't know how they get your number. Somebody will
call you and say, want a high lessons you know,
and hey Ario one of the high letchers and out
of and.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
Yeah, clicking me. You know what.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
But Ario and I since since he since he's been
back out, he and I've developed a real interesting relationship
because he sees things the way I see things. As
far as trying to go back into these hoods and
get these young boys.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
It is right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Why is Harryo being praised and Sugar not?

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
But I don't know what what what is Harrio getting praised?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
It just seems like like, you know, when you speak
about the foundation of death Row. In the beginning of
Death Row, it seems like people say, man, Harrio came
in like and it was whatever, whatever. But people are
not saying the same about Sugar, although I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Don't see people like even with you, like they'll say,
like even I just broke up with Dazz and Corrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
I forget which one was on which side dazzes against?
And I believe was like stayed around the longest, and
Corrupt was like, nah, I can't. He kept calling him, no, no, no, no,
Dazz is del Mar, but he kept calling him. I
think he called him Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Yeah, that his cold name, Simon, like Simon, Yeah, damn,
that was his code name.

Speaker 5 (01:54:56):
It was Simon and Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
So Simon was the bad side and that was a
good side.

Speaker 5 (01:55:04):
Either one of them is talking about the same guy. Uh,
But sure it was a you know, he was a year.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Is uh, a complicated human as many of us.

Speaker 5 (01:55:18):
Yeah, and he lived his life and we all have
our past that we got to walk and and he's
walking hispide. You know, I wouldn't wish wish that ship
on nobody, you know, uh, because I had to.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
I had to sit down in that city that that
was not me. I don't want no more parts of
that ship. And I wouldn't wish that on nobody. But
you know that's his path, uh, and I wish him
the best.

Speaker 5 (01:55:48):
And hopefully you know what happened for Aarrio happened.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Being over the uh partisy something let him see some Yeah,
I believe. I believe Trump pardon Harry with the gold
sneakers on. He didn't have to that part. Yeah, but
but but that's like like damn, it's like kind of
like mad like but he Trump pardoned little Wayne Harry

President Kardiak black slave Fat. Joe's the White House and ship.
In fact, Joe be tricking me and ship. I don't
know whether to follow him some of the weeks or not.
Trump sneaker next week he in the White House. I'm like,
what are we doing? Text me about this ship. I
don't know what we're doing. Joe, all right, I'll take

take okay de bo m o p.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
Mom deep.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
I like that old eyes on me or life after Death.

Speaker 5 (01:56:47):
H m hm, damn, bro, I like it. Yeah, yeah,
take a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Uh, Mike, Tyson or j Paul It is, said Jerry World,
Jerry World, all right, man, we should do drunk on
the side.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
I need you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
I need to know where you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
Now, we gotta call front you do the drink champs
on the sidelines. Yes, yes, I need you to come
down there anyway. Let me let me introduce you to
my folks of Cadillac. Go ahead, so I can deliver
you want to use.

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
Deliver one of those Oh god, yes, six hundred escalade.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
Yeah, I get the cowboy hat and everything spurs on
my I am with it, spurs of my boost man escalat.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
Okay, let's go, let's go. We had God damn God,
damn shout out to Cadillac man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Man, So who will we picking Mike Tyson?

Speaker 6 (01:57:56):
Absolutely, We're gonna imagine that I'm picking out. I'm gonna
see Mike somewhere. You think I'm gonna pick somebody else? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna be like, well you put the money out.

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
I mean you're watching him train. It's crazy. You gonna
eat gonna lie. I want him to do that, no
ring what the way he's training, you know, think he's
going to I would like for him to do it. Man,
loove that he don't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:20):
Man, you just talked about biden Age is a motherfucker
mine like them.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
Yeah, but Tyson is a different type of person because
he's he said it explicitly that when he gets in
the ring, he transforms into a monster.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
And I believe that. I truly believe I can't become
the beast in the ring. I can't believe him.

Speaker 6 (01:58:39):
Against this Jake Paul Kidd, because I've seen that Jake
Paul Kidd lay some dudes out.

Speaker 5 (01:58:45):
Seemed like that wasn't fair.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
I think Tyson, but it's that's not the same Tyson
that we grew up on. But he's said, man, but
you're still there. He's still there and his and he
still got strength.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
No, he don't want no head gear.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I mean they've been saying rumors about headgear, but I
don't think it's no. There's rumors that they're gonna have rules,
but I don't think Tyson would agree to that, And
I don't even think Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Paul would want to agree to that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:10):
Yeah, man, come on, within it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Jay might as well just do it all the way
right or not do it at all. I think you
should fight them next you, Tyson would laughing three seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
I really want to see this. Not only that, I
facetimeed Mike. Uh well first friends, you hate me, shout
out to frenchie man if Mike, one of them talk
to you, so of course be able to out that
FaceTime them were laughing whatever. Two days later they say, hey, announcement.

So I hit them back. I was like, yeah, yeah,
I'm really doing this. They say, yes, we're really doing it.
Immediately I said, Yo, I'm gonna go come to training camp.
So next week when I come back from Paris, I'm
going to I'm going I told you this and I'm
gonna hear French. I'm gonna say, you see if we

could do the side. Oh yeah, I didn't even think
of like me, I actually wanted to, Like that's like
my dream is to see somebody in training camp like
they do like me drinking or what I was like,
but like I knocked this ship the funk out, like
when I want to be a part of something. So
I wanted to I'm going to Vegas. I believe that

you said this in Dallas to believe the training camp
he's training in Vegas. Yeah, so I want to go
there and I want to you know, that's the fucking fun.
That's just crazy because although this is uh what is
the sparrings is considered sparring, correct, there get a spar

come on, man, Yeah, but they're really fighting.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
But it's caused baring because right because it's they can't
get sationed by it because he's not a sanction boxer neither.
He's past the age, is right. But believe this is
still history. It is, man, I believe he is still history.
Generational fight for whatever it's worth. And I think it's dope.

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
I don't want them to touch that boy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
I want I'm knocking. I'm sorry, j Paul, I might
see you in a restaurant and ship. I got a
lot of respect for Jake Paul. I think you do.

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
But I think that if he's smart, he's training to
stay away from Mike Tyson's punches. Well, I think he's
actually gonna try to He's gonna lean in and he's
gonna try to hurt Mike.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
Yeah, I think he's going That's the only thing you
could train for because if he gets hit by one
of those punches, until he gets hit by one of
the practice that he'll learn. I don't know. I think
I think he's going to actually.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
Say Mike Tyson punch out on the video game.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Think that he's gonna try. I think I think j
Paul much respect for the sport that he's not gonna
duck it. No, but the sport. No, that's not that's
not right the sport. Actually look a look at Mayweather.
You you know, you have a strategy. Sometimes you stay
away from the person you're coming at the right time.
That's why it be boring fights sometimes and they went
on technicalities or they went on this, they go all

the round. I've never seen a bor in Mayweather fight. Sir,
he's not. I'm saying that some boy.

Speaker 6 (02:02:28):
He's not gonna be able to stay away from from.
You going have to come on with it when you
get in there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I mean, don't bring it to Tyson. Gonna bring it
to a fighters that's been successful against Tyson, hold it,
holy Field and Lennie Flewid aggressive. Yeah, try to run
from those they get right.

Speaker 10 (02:02:45):
I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
But I don't, man, I don't see Jake Park going
toe to toe of them. I mean, be interesting and
we want to see it. Run he gonna get hit.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
It's a different beast man than he's ever I think
ever fought. I don't think he's fought someone like Tyson.
I don't care the age and none of that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
Man, Okay, let's move on, no change m Yeah, I
ain't gonna lie. That's the only time I seen like
U f N like get dugged out Tyson. He gave
Tyson a joints and grabbed the joint he pulled it out.
He gave e f N back and even oh yeah,
he tried the funk out of me. He made me take.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
I never.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
Was like, yeah, you taking this true. I'm telling you
right now. You know it's true. You were his presence.
You know, I don't tell you I was. I was
in Dubai. I took the picture and woke apart. So
I was like Tyson and he was just walking and
I knew like he didn't know it was me. So
I was like he was nory. So he turned around

and then he grabbed his friend.

Speaker 12 (02:04:00):
Was so sorry, literally, and I'm looking like, oh ship,
I do not want Mike to touch me like that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
So he's like he crapam. He doesn't know how strong
he is. His friend was little. He's like, hey, man,
once we told about last night. He's like, yeah, we
talked much. And I'm looking at him like ship, let
me let him get him out.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
You know, me and Charlie the time the first time
with the blunk, we took a picture of him. He's
eating an apple. I've never seen the most aggressive picture
of somebody eating apple.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
He's like, Yo, what the fuck? Man? What the fun?

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
And this is the nice Tyson we're talking about nice.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
This is the nice version of Tyson. This is the
last question. A quick time and slim and we get
right back to the interview. And this is me and
e FN's favorite question to us, A most important question.
And I'm not going to lead the witness. I'm not
gonna say that witness loyalty or respect mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
Respect. M. I want to explain why, because loyalty is
a fickle kind of thing, depending on.

Speaker 6 (02:05:16):
What's what's on the table, you know. But respect, if
it's real, it ain't going nowhere, you know. And I
don't want you to be loyal to me, goddamn. And
I want you to do the right thing, you know. M.

I want that respect because.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
I'm going because my thing is why wouldn't you just
say both.

Speaker 3 (02:05:43):
A lot of people don't say both, and they want
to give an explanation as to why not saying both.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
But I like the reason why you said. I like that,
and in fact, you know, and I want to say
this will all love and respect. It's like I look
at you as one of the most loyalist people.

Speaker 5 (02:06:10):
Oh yeah, that's what.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
That's what he just said. It's because like I didn't
I didn't just watch the documentary. I became the documentary.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
No, I really did.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
It really did, like I really felt a part of it.
I cried. I told you, my barber is sitting there
like he's cutting this side of my ship, and I
can't even feel it. I'm so numb because I'm so
I can't turn away. So I'm I'm watching it and
I can't feel my tears. I can feel him like,
oh shit, He's like, where is this white ship coming from?

And I'm just like cause I'm you know, I'm crying
like a man.

Speaker 5 (02:06:51):
I'm not like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
Holy ship. And it was like times in my life.
I think you said it in the lyric. You was
like like I tried to drown myself and I couldn't
even do that right, And I was just saying, what
the fuck? And I'm like, here goes a guy that
I look up to. I can't see this darkness in
you because I never seen the darkness in you. Is

because he was always been presented as a hero. You
have never been presented to the vulnerable guy that you're
saying about yourself. And I had to hear that from you.
If you wanted to said that, I would have never Right,
That's one of them.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
From my perspective, one of the great ways I was
able to tell the story. And loyalty plays a big
part of this because I know where all the bones set.

Speaker 6 (02:07:58):
I know where they are all at. I've seen, Yeah,
how did he well? You know, but that's not my place,
you know what I mean. Whether it's hear him or
him or them, or how today?

Speaker 5 (02:08:16):
Or what did you're winning?

Speaker 6 (02:08:18):
You know, that's that's the universe's tale, the tale it's
my mind because I'm about this positive movement ward take
those lessons I learned from those men and using to
teach my sons. You know, never let what happened to
me will never happen to my sons because they'll know

who they are when.

Speaker 5 (02:08:41):
They meet these guys. Uh, this ring d o c ring.

Speaker 6 (02:08:52):
When I wrote to his easiest first record, we was
working on the n w A record, were working on
Straight out of Coring. Easiest record is goal by now.
And they didn't get ready to put their record out.
They going out and buying jewelry and all of these,
the dookie ropes and all of this shit.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
I did all this work. I'm looking for work. My
dookie rope at.

Speaker 6 (02:09:14):
I want to get Dougie roped out too, dude, and
the easy said whatever you want, he said, give me
the publishing to them songs you wrote.

Speaker 5 (02:09:24):
Now, whatever you want?

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Who said that?

Speaker 5 (02:09:28):
And I'm like, okay, I want that and that and
one of it. It was just this ring and and
on my album cover there's a chain with doctor and
he bought me those.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
Those gifts wow, And it was a gifts public.

Speaker 6 (02:09:45):
Right gave him about a million dollars and he gave
me three thousand dollars worth for stuff. Now, when I
found out what had happened, I had already had the
wreck and I'm starting out to play stuff and I'm
wanting to work, and I find.

Speaker 5 (02:10:00):
That stuff out, I was like I was destroyed. It
was one of the things that made.

Speaker 6 (02:10:05):
Me go start talking to drag about blah blah blah.
Was finding that stuff out. I got so, uh said,
I took this ring out already. You know, when you
go out on the road and you're performing and you
think motherfuckers out there respect you. You got that chain
on and you lean over into that stay change. Yeah, lot,
it was out there, but I had the ring still,

and I was dating this broad and I was so
just destroyed that I gave her this ring, said I
don't even want to be I don't want no part
of this shit.

Speaker 5 (02:10:42):
It's just been struggled, and she took the run. We
stopped being together. In twenty seven years later, this lady
found me my old way and brought me this ring,
little fucking word.

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
Twenty seven years No, fuck now, I took it like this,
This could either be one of two things. God is
giving me permission to be coec Yeah he's having me, No, he's.

Speaker 5 (02:11:17):
Coming, Or I was killing that ass head well and
it could probably better.

Speaker 6 (02:11:28):
But no, I took that as a sign from God,
like it's coming, you know, because how hot is that
even twenty seven years that the Curry Lady kept the
ring for twenty seven years.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
And then you know it's the same exact way. It's
no duplicate, there's no way.

Speaker 5 (02:11:43):
Yeah. I was in California and one of my guys
called me said, you know this girl named Blah Blah blah.
It's like, yeah, I used to and I thought she
was trying to better up and get some mobil.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
You had a kid, You had a kid.

Speaker 6 (02:11:54):
Well, she came with a little boy and said, yeah,
the boy was like nine years old, ten year old,
so it had been way too you know, it was
twenty seven The sun she'd have walked in would have
been bigger than me.

Speaker 5 (02:12:09):
But she I thought she wanted a head. She