This One Is For Jamaica

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jamaica. I love you.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (00:01):
That's all I got.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Oh, that's actually very similar. I was gonna say it
was Jamaica land we love is a part of the
national anthem, but it's the land that I love, so badow.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and straight
from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become
Webby award winning podcasters in New York Times best selling authors.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It
was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable,
be raw.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Of course, but most apportly be us.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
But as we know, life keeps evolving, and so do we,
and through it all, one thing has never changed. This
because we got a lot to talk about.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Story time, So I'm gonna take you all to the
time I fell into Jamaica. Well we fell in love
with Jamaica.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well you're fell in ja.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Jamaica too, right, And it's funny because ironically I did
fall into Jamaica, and this opposite this time too.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
But let's go back to twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
April twenty ten. We're playing in our wedding, we're getting
ready to get get married, and of course it's documented
that we had fallen on hard times.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Financially, just got released by the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
We were still playing in the wedding, trying to transition
into more civilian life from being a pro athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And at the time you and I were big on sacrifices.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's just like, you know what, we're getting married, getting
the wedding the way we wanted. We can forego with honeymoon.
That's what we had decided. We can go four goal honeymoon.
Focus are starting to build and stuff like that. And
I remember Grandma said no, no, no, no, must have
a honeymoon. Honey moon, no a no age.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
The beginning, she was like, y'all get married and no honeymoon.
That's the sweetest.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Part, says the woman who had seven kids but eight
and eight children in two passed. But it to Grandma.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I love your grandma.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
But in that moment, Grandma sponsored and paid for our
honeymoon and we went to Jamaica.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, and we had the greatest time.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
In Jamaica. We met two other couples who were also celebrating.
I don't know if they were celebrating a honeymoon, but
they were also celebrating.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
One was yeah, so one had gotten married July third,
the day before us, and the other couple I think
it was a birthday.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It was a birthday, Yes, it was. And this is
when I fell in love with Jamaica.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
After that trip, we come back home across A couple
months later, Kadeen and I find out, oh my gosh,
we're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You know, we're about to have Jackson.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
There we go on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Both of the couples that was there with us paying
back pregnant. Yes, and both couples had babies within a
week of Jackson.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
They actually had their babies on the same day. Yes,
And then we had Jackson, I want to say, maybe
like a week later.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
A week later.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, And to this day we still kind of
keep a touch, like through Facebook. And I remember specifically
being on Facebook because we kept in touch after the vacation.
We just really all clicked. We jelled. And one of
the women, I think it was one that was married,
celebrating the anniversary, I mean the honeymoon, she was the hurts. Yeah,
she was like, guys, guess what, like baby on board.

(03:16):
She's like, I had one too many Bob Marley's you know,
hit hit that pipe. Too many times or whatever, and
then I didn't think about it, that's right. Absolutely, And
then literally about a couple of days later, the other
young lady who was celebrating her birthday was like, guys,
I'm late, and you know when you get the I'm

(03:38):
late joint. We were like, this's no way. So I'm
laughing because I'm like, oh, I feel all the symptoms.
I'm about to get my period any minute now.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Nope, nope, no.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
We were literally all like in stitches. I think we
could call each other like what is going on? Three
for three?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, that's when I fell in love with Jamaica. Man,
It's just a place of love.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
People go there, have a great time. First of all,
shout out to Grandma, who is Jamaican born and raised
to give us that opportunity. So, yeah, fell in love
with Jamaica and fell into Jamaica, and another Jamaican fell out, Jackson.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
And now you're a Jamaica citizen.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes, look at that.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Shout out to cg. Rest in peace. Oh my goodness.
All right, karaoke time. Listen. We have the gamut of
songs that we could sing. We're actually talking today about,
you know, the hurricane Hurricane Melyssa that's hit Jamaica and
what it looks like with the relief efforts and how
we're doing our part to help. So what we got today,
Josh mat I'm gonna pull you into the into the

(04:39):
ring as well for karaoke because fellow Jamaicans, Yes, we
have so many gun finger Yeah, so take it away
karaoke time.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Jamaica, Jamaica.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
J A M.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
See a Jamaica.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
He am, I.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
See a Jamaica.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
That was not gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
We agree about.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Okay, shout out a super cat throw back for people
who know you know.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I like Josh's version.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Better.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Remind me of two thousand and two.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, that's when you really became Jamaican.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
That was like, in all honesty, I'm not this no,
no disrespect to you. Oh god what I really fell
in love with Jamaica In sixth grade. I got my
first dub from his girl name Listen Hody Junior high school.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm being honest, Hearty Junior high school. Yo, sixth grade.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Now, my family moved from Flatbush to Kanasi. When I
moved to Kanarci, this is my first time being around
like a lot of white people. So they didn't have
a lot of school dances and stuff. And I remember
the only ethnic song they listened to at the school
dance in fifth grade was here come to Hot Steps.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Excuse me of.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Imagine coming from that dance. Right now, I'm in sixth grade.
It's Andre's Huddy Junior High School right all the Flatbush.
All of the kids who was from there came to Hoodie.
So now we got like dance back.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's nice and mixed up over there.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
And I'll never forget a Lissa came over to me.
She said, you're on dance and I was just like,
all right, sixth grade, what are you eleven?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
No clue. Alyssa turned around.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
She took my hand and held her arm up on
her hand like this, and then arched her back into
me like this, And I fell in love with Jamaica.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Everybody got a classic dug.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I remember the song.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It started out this, oh.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You remember that song from t Okay, And I remember going,
don't get hard.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
You know what he likes, baby, And I remember giving
me a dub and then we danced for the song
and then she turned out, she said thank you, and
then she walked away, and I was in love.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Ever, and I was like, I'm gonna get me an
island woman and be.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Carty baby day, Like.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yo, you want to dance every day every day?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Now you're gonna be weird.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Though. I was at every party, every party looking for
a Lissa like and it was Alyssa and then Alexander Duston.
Alexander Duston, you love it, you.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Remember every first and last day. Shout out to y'all.
Alyssa and Alexandra.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Program she was in a sick program.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Alexander Duston was in and the Magnet programs comment.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
My first My first girlfriend was Alexandra. She was very kind.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
She's the first girl.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
To kiss me. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Up spects like they see Jamaican though, who No, Alyssa
was jamaking. Alexandra wasn't to make Alexandra gave me a
dub too, but she wasn't Jamaican.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Alysta is Jamaican. She gave me to double my life always.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know what I'm saying, you know word And she
was an Indian and black Jamaican, which is actually kind
of funny because.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
If you have you had a type.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
A type found me. She walked over to me, this
this is the thing that kind of got me because
back then, you know, girls in the city back then
weren't approaching guys. That's not what you did back in
the nineties. This was sixth grade. I was ninety six.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
So when she walked over and she was just like,
you want to dub?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Some girls did, some girls did.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
She was like, you want a dub? And I was
just like yeah. And then my boys just like it
was pushing me. And then when I was getting a dub,
they all put their hands in out of.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
The hold you.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I was like, just had a hand like this, and
she walked away and I was like, he was like
slow motion.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Then she wouldn't dance. Another guy broke my heart.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Oh baby, don't be sucking u up. All right, Let's
go pay some bills. Don't be breaking my heart. All right,
I'm glad you did, because here I am. Let's go
pay some bills, and we're gonna get back and we
are going to shift gears and talk about Jamaica and
her Ki Melyssa and the aftermath. All right, and we're back.

(09:38):
We're back. So we took a quick break. You were
talking about the front of the guy's T shirt. Was
the way to tell if you had a good time
at a party, because if girls wore blue jeans and
you were getting dubs, that front bottom portion of your
white shirt wrinkle and blue.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
You look like Jael and brown victim.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right off, whack at.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's hilarious. All right, trups, what you got today for opera? No?
Paddles up, y'all?

Speaker 7 (10:16):
All right, opera No. Today we're talking about Jamaica. And
I found something interesting on the internet. So y'all know
the government has been shut down for the last like
forty one days, yes, and people have been talking a
lot about the big beautiful Bill, and Democrats don't want
to reopen the government without provisions for the Affordable Care

(10:37):
Act being extended. However, there's one thing that's hidden in
this funding that is delaying the reopening of the government,
and it's a it's a bill about marijuana THHC. Rather,
So twenty eighteen, the government passed the Farm Bill that
basically has like a hemp loophole in it that allows

(10:59):
states to sell THHC products unregulated, so those products are
sold under the name Delta eight or Delta nine. It
stays like Georgia, where marijuana is not legal. You can
go to a smoke shop and probably buy some Delta
nine thummies or whatever. But for this year's funding, they
want to close that loophole. And only one person in

(11:21):
Congress has ram pause that he will not vote unless
they keep the loophole open.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
So OP for no eye, op for economic purposes. The
government wants to keep the loophole. Well, he wants to
keep the loophole open because it allows them to well,
he keep he can do it without getting taxed, probably right.
More than likely, he probably has a couple of pemp

(11:48):
places that he owns that he's like, wait a minute,
they close this loophole, I'm gonna have to pay taxes
on this. And I think it's important for people to
understand and a lot of these laws and loopholes always
have implications for them to have a bottom line.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
And when you're.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Asking yourself if they're doing this for public health reasons
or for bigger reasons, the reason is always so that
they can make money. And we as the people, need
to start realizing that the government is not making decisions
about our health and life based on the fact.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
That they want us to do well.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's about how much money they can make anything you've
seen in the headlines now is all about money. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Ram Paul is a senator from Kentucky, and I don't
I don't think marijuana is legal in Kentucky either, but
he thinks that closing this loophole will unfairly target Kentucky's
hip industry. They probably grow him there and sell it in.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, that's absolutely that's easy. Yes, I've seen that a
mile away.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Bro. Yeah, that's my things.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
A lot of money you ain't low. I just I
just wish that we as a people started to read
and research a lot of these loopholes so that we
can start to take advantage of them, so that it's
not like, you know what, this is the game I
want to play. I'm not going to say the game
is rigged. I'll just get involved in the game too.
So now I own some Delta eight and Delta nine.
Dispensed that part. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
My only off is to keep the gummies alive. Which
way we got to keep them alive and eat them alive.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
The gummies alive, I do.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Somebody brought up the fact that Georgia, it's funny that
Georgia does not have uh, lego marijuana, especially with Atlanta
being such a densely populated city. But they think that
it's only because it's densely populated with black people that
they don't want it to be legal here because they
don't want black people to make money off of it. However,
now you go to an event, it's gonna be a
nigga outside selling pre rolls.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes, in Atlanta everywhere.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, thank god for that guy.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Man.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
Yeah, they probably got a Limon pepper pre roll for.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
They are nuts.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
So also on the in the same vein of Jamaica.
So Jamaica just went through a hurricane. People are really
doubling down on efforts to try to donate and to
give back to the people of Jamaica so that they
can survive this. Ever, but Josh brought up a story
earlier than his friend had posted. If he had and
Josh trying to say, he didn't say a billion dollars,

(14:08):
but he said a billion.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I did say a billion.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
He said a billion.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Oh, if he had a billion dollars, he would just
give it away.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, the whole billion.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Well, he would just give money away every day, like thousands,
tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
I say, all right, this is what I said. Josh,
my friend said, he said, I swear I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Man.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
I swear if I was blessed with millions upon millions,
I would quietly bless people every freaking day. I don't
need a twenty eight thousand square foot mansion. I don't
need five luxury cars. I don't need a closet full
of high end closed I just want the people around
me to be to be blessed. The only requirement that
I have is to pay it forward. So I honestly

(14:50):
agree with him like I want to. I want people
to I don't. I don't need all those luxury items.
I don't need five cars. I don't need all that stuff.
Here's my thing, though, get Giving money away just for
the sake of giving money away, always, from what I've seen,
generally has bad repercussions. Absolutely, unless you are you know,

(15:10):
you've set a certain amount of money aside to invest,
to make to then make more money on top of
that money. I think giving away that money forever, fivorously, frivolously, yeah,
there you go, there you go, is senseless. And I
meant I agree with your thousand percent senseless to your

(15:30):
bottom line, right, Like you'll give all that money away
and have nothing in ten years.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I think that's it don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think I think it's dumb.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I think I think it's important for people to understand
that wealth management is important.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Let's let's just look at perspectives, right, say, say.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
You do have billion dollars, and you just take one
hundred million dollars of that building. So now you still
have nine hundred millions, so you can have your cars.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
But you take one.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Hundred million dollars and you say you don't gonna put
this in an interest bearing account. I get seven percent
on one hundred million dollars every year, so that means
you make seven million dollars a year on interest just
on that one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Right, seven million dollars a year is how much a month?
That's about six hundred thousand dollars a month. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
If you multiply that time twelve, there's seven point two million,
six hundred thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Divide that by thirty is what about twenty thousand dollars
a day? It's twenty thousand dollars a day.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right, if you had twenty thousand dollars a day in
a fund, a slush fund, you could give thousands of
dollars away because that money's coming, it's going to constantly,
always be regenerated. And the reason why I say that
is because this is how billionaires are often called the
biggest philanthropists. They have a fund that they put aside
that's only for philanthropy work. That fund always gained interest,
so it always replenishes itself. If you do it that way,

(16:47):
you're giving money away on interest, not money that you've earned.
And I think that's what people need to understand about wealth.
Kadeen and I probably every year we donate or give
away six figures worth of money, and we don't do
it in a way and I'm not saying it's to brag,
but we do it in a way where we do

(17:08):
pay it forward, but we also protect our children and
our family and our legacies first. So when the money
comes in, the money goes to a pot. From that pot,
it then goes to all of the trust and will
and all the things that have to get taken care of.
Then it goes to the family expenses. Then after all
of that is taken care of. Kay gets a check
and now I get a check. Those checks go into

(17:29):
our personal accounts. What I choose to do with my
personal account since I don't really look at me, I
just the same T shirts I've been wearing since I
was literally.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Looking at the T shirt this morning, I was like, damned.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I vo like, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
The money that goes into those accounts I keep just
in case some of my friends and family who come
across hard times. You can't go to the Bankalays and
get alan. You need to borrow some money. Bro, come
to me, Yo, I got you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sometimes I don't get the money back.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
A lot of times I don't get the money most
most times, Thank you, wife.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
You can be honest. Most times I don't get the
money back.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I feel like it's not my responsibility to police
how people spend their money. This is where I agree
with Josh because we've come across this recently. We no
longer just give people money if they don't have a plan.
And I'm not even talking about a plan to pay
me my money back. It's a plan to continue to
grow that money so you don't have to keep coming back.
And I think that's what Josh is talking about, and

(18:29):
I agree with you one thousand percent. Like a lot
of people get survivor's remorse or survivor's guilt right there.
I made all this money, This is unfair to all
the people around me, so they start giving it away
and then before you know what, that money is not
coming in and you gave away everything that.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
You have valance people, y'all. I'm not people, y'all. I
literally just went through this. No, but I will say
that he did.

Speaker 8 (18:52):
No.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
We've made the provisions, So that's the one thing I
will Deval has made the provisions. But I know you
do have survivor's guilt sometimes and you feel like damn,
like you know, we were just like out here, we're okay,
and we don't want the people around us not to
be okay. I think my issue falls in where you
ask people to pay it forward. You ask people to
have a plan, and when they don't have that, then
you become a revolving door. You're always needing to help someone.

(19:14):
And that's my issue with exactly. It's like, can you
become a crutch to people who are just like well,
I don't need My back is not really against the
wall because I could just go and ask for more
and I'll probably get it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
So that's the even if they're back is against the wall.
Why am I the default for you?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
For?

Speaker 8 (19:32):
Like?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Why am I your savior? Right? I'm not a millionaire.
I'm a thousandaire right, And I've.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Loaned the same people money multiple times, and that doing
that will let you realize, like people will will knowing
that they can depend on you for money, which is
not necessarily a bad thing. They'll always come to you
every single time they need something without devising a plan
on what they're going to do to move their lives forward.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Because that's my issue.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yes, Like if I'm a millionaire now that that's a
signal for people that's around me to that barred money
when I was a thousand year Yeah, you know, I'll
come back to me and just be like, hey, Josh,
I need this. You know, I'll pay you back, blah
blah blah. And paying back is fine, Like if you can't,
it's fine also, But my thing is I cannot be
your crutch as a grown man, as a as a

(20:19):
as a function in human in society with with a job,
like you need a plan to get your life together.
So I don't mind donating, I don't mind giving. I
don't mind you know, loaning people money. But that becomes
if that becomes habitual, that's an issue for.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
So let me ask a question, when it becomes habitual,
who's more of the problem the person or you me?
Because this is what I just really, this is what
we just realized. I became I enabled, And that's that's
one thing I will say about Kay. My heart sometimes
is too genuine generous, and K will be like okay, now,
like how many times are you going to say yes

(20:58):
before it's like yes.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
What you're playing?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And sometimes I do feel like Dan, I don't want
to because in order to criticize people, sometimes you put
yourself on a moral high ground where you feel like
you're better than people. And I never want to come
across like that, you know what I'm saying. So sometimes
I'll be like, you know what, I'm not going to
give them the third degree. I'll just trust them. And
then when it don't happen and they ask for money again,
I'm like, I'll trust you, and they can be like yo,
the value you're getting used. Yeah, and I'm just like dang,

(21:24):
and she's like it's not their fault. Now, no, this
is her. No is a complete sentence. You don't have
to give a reason. The person keeps coming back and
they're not even giving you a plan.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Bro, Yeah, that's all you want to ask for. See
people at having the you know, the drive, you know
they want to actually get out of this situation. People
fall on hard times all the time, which is is
part of life. And you don't mind helping an assistant.
That's what we're here for, you know, But when it
becomes habitual, then that's the issue.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Well, I will say about this. I have The first
thing I want to say is that I'm falling on
hard times. I need a vacation and I needed to
be free. So if you wanna donate, donate, you will
not be giving that money back. But I thought this
was interesting because we're talking about ourselves today, like we

(22:13):
have the money that we have. You know, y'all got
fifty eleven kids, and I'm sure that you know, being
probably the most successful people in your inner circle, people
probably come to you all the time. And I do believe,
I mean, I don't got no money, and I give
my money away all the time, my niece, my sister,
whoever needs it, you know what I'm saying, But it
always comes back to me.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm always fine.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
But I thought it was interesting too because I've been
hearing a lot about Jeff Bezos' ex wife, Mackenzie Scott.
So when they got divorced, she got four percent ownership
in Amazon, and so her net worth became thirty eight
billion dollars. Since then, she's given away or sold forty
two percent of her shares in Amazon. She's given away

(22:57):
nineteen almost twenty billion dollars, and now her net worth
went from thirty eight billion to thirty five billion.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Because here's my thing, that the truth, when you get
to that level of money, it grows so exponentially fast.
That's what I'm going to do with thirty person.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Absolutely, you can support a whole nation.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Absolutely, and that's probably what I'd end up doing.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, you will, you will.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I would absolutely give me thirty five million dollars you
make I'm going to rebuild the entire fucking country. You
would alone, single endedly just rally up the troops. And
I'm there, like, absolutely, completely completely agree with her.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, so I think it is a mindset, like it's
the money coming back to you. Of course it is tenfold.
And I feel like as people that don't really have shit,
you know, you'd be like, man, if I had, I
would give it away because you're never gonna have to
face that, you know what I'm saying, Like, and when
you do, it's going to be more of a problem
than you can even imagine.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh problem, that is an actual fact.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
And here's another thing too, man, and iris don't come
from me, but when you start making a lot of money,
the last thing you want to do is give it
all to the government. So you look for ways to
help the people around you. Like that's that's me and
kay biggest thing because I'm like, you make a certain
amount of money, Now do you want to tax me
forty eight percent? So I work my tail off and
you want to take forty eight percent and not gonna happen.
I'm gonna start a business or do something, and then

(24:16):
I'm an employ all my friends so that we can
all learn how to make money. And you know what
I'm saying, I'm not gonna just give it all to
the government. I'm not writing a check. I did that
two times and I had to go to the I
told you all the one time I had to write
the check for the government in January and I had
to go take the massive shit bro like it hurt
my spirit and I was like, man like, I was like,
there's no way because there's so many people that I

(24:37):
know personally who could have used that money. And it
was just like if I had found a way before tax,
you know, before I knew how tax worked, I would
have been able to do this.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
And that's where we are now.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
So now when people come to us for asking for
money or stuff like that, I'm like, well, you got
to get me to write tax time. And if there's
a way for me to help, and you have a
plan and it's not going to go against what I
have long term, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I do have a plan.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
I was gonna go down to Puerto Rico and all
inclusive resorts.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
To get a ninety minute massage in my room and
I know all the dudes and that's watching and I
will be like, I'll give you.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
I haven't been looking for Mackenzie Scott's email address for
the last like three days. All I need is like
one hundred k that's nothing to hurt.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's like mackenzie Scott for more than a hundred.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
She got thirty given away for me. Like you said, McKenzie, McKenzie,
give me get one.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Bill example.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yea right now, make you plead McKenzie.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
McKenzie says, listen, if you're just out here giving away money,
I got mad kids. They want about six seven six seven,
and it goes to the right place. Thank you. We
love them. We'll do the right thing. They do this too.

(26:08):
Coda's real cute with it too. Let me tell you
Jackson just had his first basketball game of the season yesterday,
Oh my god, and the game winning it wasn't a
game winning shot because they were leading, but the score
was sixty four forty and this kid put up a
shot with like two seconds left and it was a

(26:30):
three pointer. Yes, what was the final score? Mat? And
let me tell you, the student section where crazy. It
was a whole thing. And Dakota didn't pick up on
it right away. And then Matt was like, Coda, look
at the score. What's the score? And he was like,

(26:51):
brou I'll never understand it, never understand it. Right, that
part that's not even in our age group. Anymore. All right,
So as we shift gears now back to Jamaica, Hurricane
Melissa that just completely completely devastated the entire west side

(27:14):
of the island. First off, everyone's family is all right, yes,
Josh Matt, thank god.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
No, I mean, honest with you, I still haven't heard
from my father in law. I'm sure he's dead. I'm
sure he's dead, but we just haven't heard from him. Yeah, definitely,
he's in my Tico Bay.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
So wow.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Let me tell you something. Certain people know their people.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
If your father was in Jamaica right now, he'd be fine.
I would not be concerned. He'd be somewhere floating around
helping some people.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Floating, I mean float walking.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I mean you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Like you know how if you don't know Pos, you know,
if you know Pops, you.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Know Pops float walking, walk with life. But it should
be around there doing his thing. Like remember y'all went Saturday.
Pops wanted to be around everybody. He like certain men,
you just know like.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
They're going to be They're gonna find a way. So
I have to two gentlemen who are considering my uncles.
They're like my dad's best friends. I've grown up with
them my whole life. I'm Lindley, Who's our driver whenever. Yeah,
the minute we touch down, he's the first face we see.
So shout out to mister Grant Lindley. He's like an
uncle to me. He's good. Thank god. I think he
lost the roof of his house, but you know, in

(28:24):
the grand scheme of things, and in considering how many
people have lost literally everything, thank god, he's okay. My
uncle Carl as well. And then you know, when you
go frequently, you really just kind of adopt people like family.
You know, you see them year after year, time after time.
When you go down and there are a couple of

(28:45):
people like waitress are one of our favorite restaurants in
the Grill, who I've kept in touch with. You know,
I reached out to her, didn't hear from her for
a bit, so I was a little panicked. But when
she finally reached back out, she said, you know, I'm like,
how is everything you know? Are you okay? She's like,
I have life and that's all you know, and thank
God for that, because where there's life, there's hope. Right.
So her and her two sons, of course, will have

(29:07):
to rebuild everything, so, you know, just found ways to
get her some resources and some cash just to like,
you know, hold things over until resources came in on
the ground. I think that's been the hardest part for me,
managing this entire hurricane and then the aftermath. It's feeling
a bit of a survivor's guilt having not been there

(29:28):
and then also not being able to be on the
ground to assist in some kind of way. So the
biggest thing for us was trying to navigate how we
can help from a peer to get the aid down
to Jamaica in the most effective way, in the most
timely way. But I'll rewind a bit for you guys
to my story time. I guess my version of when

(29:49):
I saw the hurricane was approaching Jamaica and what that
was looking like for me at the time. Deval had
to put out a video on Instagram, which I think
he felt the need to do. I in that moment didn't,
but I know that it bothered you that you people
weren't commenting that I was not posting about Jamaica in
the time frame that they saw fit. Right.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'll just say this, I'm the person that always says
social media is not a real place, because it wasn't
to me, right. I don't get defensive about the stuff
about me. I could care less, but it was about
you and your home country and your mom's country, and to.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Me that was a lot more personal, Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
So I just felt that it's important for people to
understand that oftentimes when people create narratives digitally and you
don't respond, those narratives become truth for other people. And
in this moment, I never wanted the narrative to be
that you didn't care about Jamaica or it was something
that was an afterthought for you.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
It just pissed me off.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Especially dealing with everything you were going through in that moment, right,
you know, So you can finish, But I just want
to be clear, like it did bother me a little
bit because it was.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
You right, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, so I appreciate that, you know, it's a voute
you come into my aid and defense in that moment,
But really my mind was so my mind in my
heart was so heavy at the time. Yes, of course,
because I saw the disaster that was, you know, hitting
Jamaica or pending landfall. But at the time I was
also dealing with my really good friend that people know,

(31:15):
the Council General of Jamaica New York. Her name is
Alicion Wilson. I met her back in two thousand, I
want to say nineteen, and I met her actually because
my makeup artist Nelly in New York was like, you know,
I know you love Jamaica so much you want to
do some more work down there, Like, you should really
connect with the Council General here in New York because
she's been doing some really great work, a lot of
community outreach. You guys have like like minded spirit, like

(31:38):
minded heart wanting to give back. So she said, you
should really like maybe see if you can get an
appointment with her to visit her. So I reached out
to her on Instagram and literally she messaged me right
back and she was like, I would love to meet
you in person the next time you're in New York,
please come Are you a citizen of Jamaica You should
be if your mom was born there. So went to
meet her, took you guys, the boys, we all went

(31:58):
to see her. This is before Kakoda was born, and
we went to visit her. And at that point I
was able to get my citizenship for Jamaica, and then
once I had mine, the boys were able to get
it because they're my children. And then we applied for
yours as a spouse, and she and I just had
a relationship that far surpassed just the formalities of Jamaica

(32:21):
and her role. She became to me a very dear friend,
almost like a second mother. She's someone who I look
to for advice. She's someone who spoke life and to me,
she saw a side of me that I didn't expect
her to see. I guess because in her capacity, I
expected that she talked to several people, She interacted with
so many people, so it was almost like why did

(32:41):
she connect with me so much? But I really feel
like it was a mutual matter of the heart where
she and I just really connected on a very very
deep level. So anytime she called me, you know anything
related to Jamaica, you know kidsneys, iPads, back home, back
to school drives, I would always be a part of
the nation process for her. And those are things that

(33:02):
I don't always advertise because I'm not doing it for
the accolades. I'm doing it because I genuinely just want
to be of help to people and I also am
seed her independence gala that she did for Jamaica and
most recently did one in August with her. So she
found out that she was diagnosed with cancer last July,

(33:23):
and you know, of course was in touch with her,
you know, all the time to get updates on everything.
And I got the news from her assistant when I
didn't hear from her for about a week or two,
which was strange because she would always voice note me back, y'all. No,
I love my voice notes, and I saw she hadn't
checked one of mine. And I reached out to someone

(33:44):
who's very close to her, like an assistant to her,
and he said, hey, you know, they think things have
taken a turn since you've seen her in August. Can
you come up to see her. So, you know, when
someone says that to you, it's kind of like you instantly,
like my heart sank, she said. He said to me,
you know, things are a lot different than when you
saw her in August. She looks different. I think you

(34:06):
should come see her sooner than later. So it was
the Tuesday morning that Melissa was pending landfall on Jamaica.
I took the first flight out into Newark and went
straight to the hospital and I spent the day with her.
And when I walked into the room, because she'd loved
to watch CNN, she was always abreastive. It was always
on in her office. When I went to see her,

(34:28):
and CNN was on the screen, and I saw that.
When I walked in, of course, she her eyes lit up.
She saw me. I gave her a hug. She told
me I smelled good. She would always hug me and
tell me how good I smelled. So she was like,
you smell good. And we were watching CNN and then
like girl, like Jamaica, I'm like, you gotta get out
this bed. I'm like, look at home. We have to
get back there to help, Like you see, this hurricane

(34:49):
is actually looking like it's going to be category five.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
And she wasn't able to say much, but we did speak.
I spent the day with her. Her would help her
like doing arm exercises. I would help her eat, drink,
things like that. And she wasn't able to really move
her extremities too much. I think in part because she
was at that point very weak, very fatigued.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It had been over a year of fight at that point.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, it had been over a year. You know, we
were always in touch with her to hear how things
were progressing. But I think, deep down inside, I just
never thought it would get to this point. You know
where I was with her that Tuesday. So while I
was there, I was speaking to a couple of her
other close friends who were there, her husband. I was
in touch with her office as well, like, okay, guys,
once the hurricane does hit, we got to start getting information.

(35:38):
You know, we have to rally the troops, like how
are we going to start to lend aid to Jamaica
once the storm passes. And that day was particularly emotional
for me, of course because that was my It was
seeing her in that state, but also I think knowing
that when I left her it might have been the
last time that I saw her. And you know, she

(36:00):
got very tired while I was there, so there was
a portion of the day where she slept, and when
I was counting down till I had to go back
to catch my flight back home, she and I were
talking to each other more. I was doing more of
the talking, but I said, you know, listen, girl, like
the story is not over, Like we have stuff to do.

(36:21):
Get out of this hospital. I'm going to come see
you when you're at home and we can go get
our condo in Jamaica or whatever it is. Get our
houses will be neighbors, you know. And I'm talking things up,
just trying to get her spirits up, stay positive, and
she was nodding and she smiled a bit. I said
goodbye to her daughter and a couple other people who
were there, and then as I walked out of the door,

(36:43):
she something told me to turn back and look at her.
So I was walking out the door, you know, trying
to hold it together because in that moment, I was
like all the emotions were like here. And then I
looked back and she lifted her hand to her mouth
and she blew me a kiss.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
That take your time, baby, come on, come on me
and I am.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
And that's something that she always did when I left her,
every time I visited her in her office, that's always
something that she did. And I guess it was particularly
special for me in that moment because she wasn't moving

(37:35):
her extremities or arms like, she wasn't moving them, and
the fact that she found the strength to blow one
last kiss to me, it just shattered my whole heart
and I was able to keep together the entire time

(37:56):
I was there because I know I had to be
strong for her, and I had asked for the room
to pray with her when I got there kind of
in the middle of the day, and I started to
cry a bit, and she looked at me and she
squeezed my hand and she was like, Kadin, don't cry.
You can't cry. You can't cry. God is in control,

(38:16):
and I said, absolutely he is. So I had to
hold it together for her. But when she blew me
that kiss, and her daughter said, oh my god, Kadeen,
like you got her to blow you a kiss, Like
she hasn't even moved her arms for anything, I just
closed the door and I just and now wait. And

(38:38):
that was the last time I saw her. I'm so
happy that you encouraged me to take that trip. And
we cleared everything out for the day and I was
able to divvy up the responsibilities with the kids. Shout
out to our families, and our parents were making sure
that the day was okay, so I can just have
the day, Thank you, Matt, to go and see her.
And that's why I couldn't post right away about the hurricane,

(39:08):
because I was in the midst of Hurricane Melissa. I
was in my own storm.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
And that's why sometimes you gotta respond.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I didn't want to say anything, but I'm watching my
wife go through grief and watching my wife hurt, and
I'm watching people online and social media is not real,
like people really going through real stuff in life, Like
people were really looking for family members, people were losing
family members, and the first thing you're thinking about is
not putting a post on social like people were really

(39:44):
looking for people. And that's the only reason why I
said something, and not to take it to that, but
I do want to point out that you and al
Sion's love for each other is like the most Jamaican thing. Yeah,
you know, we can make jokes about the being about
food and being about dancing and music, but Jamaican people

(40:05):
really have huge hearts and it's big on love. Like
think about Grandma sending us on our honeymoon, thinking about
how the whole world came together recently to rally around
Jamaica because Jamaica like one love.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Absolutely, you know what, I'm absolutely that's that to me
is what the bigger the bigger art, but yeah, because
that was what we shared, that love, that deep, deep
love for Jamaica and where we're from. But it's also
people didn't hear from their family members, Like there was
a lot going on. There were people I didn't hear from.
So my first instinct was not to just post pray

(40:38):
for Jamaica, just to do that, Like I was literally
on the phone on WhatsApp, like reaching out to people
down there who can find who, Like there were so
many things happening simultaneously along with me knowing that al
Sion was declining rapidly, and it was just a very

(40:58):
difficult week and it's still has been a difficult week.
And I just got the news once this ears and
I'll just say it was four days ago on Dakota's
the morning of Dakota's birthday, that I found out that
she passed. And I didn't even have a chance to

(41:20):
process it all the way because I have to pick
up the pieces and put on the face and celebrate
my baby turning four, because he woke up that morning
and that's all he knew. It was his birthday, and
his brothers were happy, and we had a birthday party
planned And I just found someone so close to music

(41:42):
here anymore, and it's I'm so angry. I feel like
I stillieve in that I haven't had a chance surprise
the whole thing. I had Dakota's birthday party, a band
together with Sonnia, Richard Ross, Mamy Nation, Raina's Kitchen, Pretty

(42:04):
v We're all talking to see how we can do
our part down here in Atlanta. So I have Dakota's
birthday party on a Saturday. My friend died that morning. Sunday.
I'm out meeting and greeting people and thanking them for
coming out and bringing donations and all the things. And
I didn't even have a chance to sitting it yet. Sorry, guys,

(42:32):
it wasn't supposed.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
To be this. Take your toncause it's not even about that.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Just take your tongue.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You haven't even spoken about this at all.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You haven't done anything.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
To me about it, understand. Like the physical hurts so badly,
and I just think because it's just it's just so
unfair how this disease took her. And I just never
thought it was going to be her because she was

(43:03):
a fighter and she was so positive and we would
share prayers and devotionals and she never won shit a
tear in this entire process because she was just so confident,
like she was like, I'm going to be fine, and
this disease just took her the way I'm sure most
people who've had people that they've lost the cancer Like
it's just such an unfair disease. And I look at

(43:24):
how much work she's done for so many people across
the globe, across the diaspora, for Jamaica, and it just
doesn't make sense, you know. It just feels really unfair,
feels really unfair. So those were all the things that
I've been juggling for the past two weeks. It's just

(43:46):
been a very heavy I think fourth quarter in general.
You know, fourth quarter started with Dad, Yeah, Dad, you know,
in the stroke and the recovery from that, and it
just feels like it's been one thing after the next.
And I'm not here to for sympathy and pity party
or anything like that, because the world in general is
a very heavy place right now, and I think that

(44:08):
that adds to you know, the uncertainty of where things
are with our government and across the globe, so many
people are suffering in so many different countries, and it's
just a very very heavy time. But that's that's my personal.
I guess weight that I've been bearing, you know, for
the past two weeks and more than that, just as

(44:29):
I've been with Alcion on her journey. I went to
see her back in May and I told her, you know,
like I'm never I did a video of selfie with
her and I was like, I'm you know, I'm never
going to leave you and I'm with you, and She's like,
thank you for just being with me on this journey.
Like and to me at that time, it was about
what the testimony was going to be after the fact,

(44:50):
you know, I just knew that the work wasn't done
here for her. I was going to be here with
her to complete whatever it is we had to complete
in this lifetime, and it just feels like it was
cut short. But she was so impactful in the time
that she was here. I would love to dedicate this
episode to her, because she was just one of Matt

(45:14):
got to meet her and spend some time with her
for a week. We went down for the Jamaica Diaspora
Conference last June June twenty fourth, and we spent a
week with her, So Matt, you can echo how amazing
she she was.

Speaker 9 (45:28):
I can't even put it into words, begin to put
it into words. But she also helped me to get
my Jamaican citizenship as well.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh yeah, I forgot yeah, and Sean and his family,
like she was just an advocate for that. She's like,
we need more Jamaicans abroad who are invested in making
sure that Jamaica is going to be okay. And I
don't want to glaze over the donation drive that we
did where we got together, like I said, like minded,
like spirited, big hearted Jamaicans, Raina, Sonia, Sasha, pretty v

(45:59):
Tracy st We all got together. There were so many
people who came out, and I said, it felt like
such a day of community and togetherness and hope. You know,
it restored my hope in humanity in a time where
I feel like we really just don't have that anymore. Too.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
It also not to cut you off about earlier.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I seen how Jamaican's rally.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Your cousin who you know, giving paying it forward isn't monolithic.
She didn't have any monetary things to give her, any clothes,
but she had a van, a white van, and she
drove all the way over here from Gannisau.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
She was actually a Lawrenceville, Ye Lawns picked up all
of the stuff that we had. People brought things over
here and they drove it all the way to Kennessey.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And she stayed the entire day with us, and she's
with my mom today sorting through all of the clothes
that we're gonna now package up and send back home.
That's it. That's it. Like some people came and were
just like, hey, I just have two hands. What do
you need me to do?

Speaker 5 (46:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Some people came with one item, some people came with
trucks full. But we always say every make them make
a muckle, like every little bit counts, every little bit
is impactful. And I just felt so good to be
in a space where we felt like in that moment
we were able to do something tangible. And I still
have been working with other organizations using my platform. So

(47:18):
now the power, Yes, I do believe this power in
social media and being able to post credited yes sources.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
Yes, that's very important.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yes, yeah, it is during this time that I was
going to say, it's important that we say this too.
Just because you see a link on someone's page doesn't
mean that you click it and donate. In the digital age,
is also the age of scamming. Yes, they're scamming people
when there isn't disaster release, but they know that you
can catch people with their heartstrings. And it's important for
people to know. Most scams go after elderly people.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Who they know want to help.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
So they'll call you and say that they're the elderly
person's grandchild or son and they need help. So imagine
if they know that the world is looking to help
a country, it's easy to create a link and says
this goals to help Jamaica relief, and it don't go anywhere.
Kadeena and I knew that in the very beginning, and
we said we were not just going to post links
because when you have millions of followers, you can get
millions of dollars donated to a place, and it's irresponsible

(48:12):
to not know where that money is going, right, So
supporting that all of us, you know, use our minds,
use our senses, you know, but also give each other graces.
People are actually going through things during this time, and
they may not be coming forward the way you want
them to come forward, but people are doing their best.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Or the way they're advertising. And deval and I, for example,
with us having the platforms we have, we have a
responsibility to share links and platforms that are credited. So
I met with cig I call her CG Alcion's office.
Chris Benjamin, who was the person in charge when she
was away, must a chief of staff. Yeah, And I said, Chris,
how can like, what can I do? Let me know

(48:50):
what you need? Like, how can we band together to
get the word out? And he said, well, we have
the sources that are credited. Let's do a live. I'm like, oh, perfect.
So I didn an one hour live that I put
on my page after the fact so people can go
to and say, okay, here are the various links. Do
your due diligence, look at which organization you know serves
what some might be targeted towards kids. Mammy Nation is

(49:10):
single moms with children. Like see where you want your
money to go? And just know that if I've shared
the source, it's either an organization that I've vetted or
someone that I know personally who is on the ground
making a change. And the difference.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
What's her name?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
What's Vanessa's last name? I watched you do that too.
You're reaching out to Vanessa who has the trucks down
there in Jamaica. Oh yes, and they were able to
get to certain people, and you were reaching out to
your other people who are in areas that couldn't be
reached and you will connect.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I was connecting people down there. So this younger lady
named Sasha, a young lady named Sasha on Instagram. She's
everything Jamaica. So anytime I come down to Jamaica, she
knows all the fruits. I love, all of my little
Jamaican goods. She brings sweet soft for mom when we
have birthday parties. She brings all of the Jamaica like souvenirs.
So she literally was like, I lost everything. I have nothing,

(49:56):
and my neighbor is dead. The body is here next
to us, and no one can get to was because
the roads are bad. So I got her phone numbers
from to Vanessa. Vanessa has the trucking company. They're trying
to use the trucks to get to places for relief.
So it's like about trying to connect people in real
time alignment in real life. In real life, it's talking
to people in Kingston. I'm like, Okay, who needs what?

(50:16):
Way I know? Sean Paul had an organization will feed
the poor. That he was linking with Romeich, who is
I think she sent she sorry Shensy is manager or
old manager. But he was down there giving out a
ton of stuff and I'm like, bro, I'll send you
a Zel. Just go buy stuff for people. So you
have to give people grace and also the benefit of
the doubt. If I was to sit here and post

(50:38):
every time I made a call, every time I sent
to Zel, then you'll be telling me I'm doing it
for cloud right, and she's helping people. But she's doing it. No,
that's corny. That's corny.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
And then it's like the people talking about you not posting,
what have you done?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's what you need to they worried about.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I'm worried about what the next person is doing.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
They do everything you can because at the end of
the day, you are spending all your energy being negative
towards somebody else. You're not expending any positive energy to
help anybody, not even yourself.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
You're sitting in misery.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I don't comment.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
I don't comment on those people because it was the
same people that says that the prime ministers the one
who caused the hurricane.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
That's the whole another.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah, that is a growing theory, right, it's a growing thing.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, caused the hurricane cloud.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You heard the theory that they used the serious I can't,
I can't take it. Sure as there's a theory though
that I know. Jamaica was getting into the movie industry
and they were also getting I think it was like
six seven hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Dollars one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
You talking about the bond, yes, yeah, and they.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Were saying that they used this machine to cause a
hurricane to bring down that Ye.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Americans going to have this sm smart.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
That's what saw too, right. Yeah. So for those who
don't know, one of the areas most most damage, I
would say that the direct hit was saying Elizabeth, which
is like the southwest portion of the island. Yeah, so
Saint Elizabeth and Westmoreland is where Melissa passed through and
she cuts through the top through Hanover, which is at
the top on the north coast. But Saint Elizabeth is

(52:13):
known to be the bread basket they call it of Jamaica.
That's where agriculture is heavy. It's heavy there, so people
are thinking that it was strategically done to hit the
bread basket so that way.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
So another country can come in and save Jamaica, but
also colonize it in a way where it's like we
have control over these resources and these bonds and stuff.
This is the conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Listen, there's so many there's so many theories. It's so convoluted.
But yeah, my encouragement, I think, would just be assist
where you can, because let's be let's be also for real.
Right here in America, there are people who are also
struggling because the holiday is coming up, the whole thing

(52:59):
around the government shut down, snap benefits, There's just so
many people who are in need. My biggest thing is
be kind. Be kind to people. You never know when
you'll be need, You never know when someone else is
going through something. Just be kind, Like it's something so
simple that might be my moment of truth. You just

(53:21):
never know what someone is going through and where you
can help. Find whatever your charity is, find whatever country
you want to stand behind, find whatever effort that you
think is worth your time and your money or your resources,
and just do something. Do something before you're pointing the
finger of somebody else and saying what they're not doing.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I would also take it a step further.

Speaker 7 (53:41):
You don't need to even know, you don't even need
it doesn't matter what somebody could be going through. We're
all here together, and the reason that we're here together
is because we need each other. We can't do anything alone,
and so we have to support each other through everything.
Because life is going, the world is always spinning. Life
has to go on at all times. The people who

(54:03):
have been who've lost their homes, lost their lives and
the hurricane, life is still moving. They still got to
keep going. For you losing a friend, life is still moving.
You still have to keep going. And we need to
support each other through that because nobody gets to stand still.
You don't got to even don't who cares what somebody
else is going through. You're standing next to them, stand
up for them and stand with them.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I agree with you, tu, But like I, you gave
you a moment of truth, you gave yours. Man, I
just second that I ain't gonna lie. I just hearing
you talk like that kind of got me upset. I
ain't gonna lie. Yeah, surely got me upset, Like it
really pissed me off a lot, and I don't have
another moment of truth. I'm gonna echo what Trible.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Said because I'm kind of I mean, it wasn't technically
a moment of truth time, but I was just saying no, but.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I know you're just more needs to be said. Yeah,
because people are really trying to help people. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. And I echo both of y'alls.
So that's my moment of truth.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
In the vain of helping people. What do you think
people need most? What are some things that we can help?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Well, I think the biggest thing as it pertains to
Jamaica only because this is the episode about the hurricane
relief and post because of the level of devastation. It's
not going to be something that's fixed in a month
or a couple months. This is going to be a
long haul process. And there is also a such thing
as donation fatigue or just asking fatigue. Like there's certain

(55:24):
avenues and like kind of ways that I've had for
help that I haven't even like solicited help from yet
because I'm like, Okay, I'll help now where I can
in this facet, and then I know that there's someone
who's gonna need help in another two or three months,
So then maybe I'll ask someone else at that point,
or I'll accrue enough assets to be able to do
that because I need to get back to work. Divorce
systance where you at. But no, it's just it's like

(55:45):
it's going to be a long haul process. So the
biggest thing right now people need shelter. Their houses are flattened. Flattened,
so food, nonperishables, diapers, clothing, those are things that are needed,
of course ongoing, so people can at least start to
feel like themselves again. But I think the next level
will be rebuilding homes. People need zinc, they need some men.

(56:08):
I had a young lady dm me. That's another thing.
My dms, my messages, my emails have been going crazy,
and I'm like the heart in me wants to help
everybody and answer every message and find connect people. I
had a young lady dm me and she's like, I
just need someone to tell me that my niece and
my aunt are okay. I forget the familial, but it
was like a niece and aunt. She sent me phone

(56:29):
numbers and names. I took a screenshot. I sent it
to my friend in Kingston. She went to the address
to find these people and connected them. That's what they
do and I'm like, that's what I was doing, and
that made me feel like I was able to This
woman can sleep now because she knows that her family's okay.
And then my friend, thank God for her, who's like
an angel walking around Kingson. Her name is Shakima Shout

(56:51):
Out Shakima. Shakima was our event planner for the that
was fortieth birthday party. I met her at my friend's
bodding and I'm like, she just she literally is down
there like the person like putting the puzzle back together
for pieces, connecting the dots, you know, so finding you know,
resources the younger ladies just like I just need cement,

(57:12):
bricks and zinc so I could just rebuild my house
for my kids. So that will be the long haul.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I think it's important too because people can't get in
and out of places and agriculture has been destroyed there.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
People need food.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
One of our close friends, Curtis Lancaster, Yeah, he's an
Air Force veteran, and he was saying that they do
this thing where after six to seven days six seven
people not having access to food is when humans turn
into the humans you see on movies and people start
to get you know, nervous, and they start to hold
things and they become violent. So I think, yeah, in

(57:45):
the next in the next two weeks, we need to
send as much food and light as we can so
people can feel like, Okay, I'm not gonna die.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Because once that happens.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
If you don't have food and you don't have hope,
that's when you become you know, despair.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeahs. Think about when you're a you're angry, right, we're
going angry, Like, Yeah, imagine being in a situation where
you don't have that.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Can sleep because you don't have a bed, you become emotionally,
you know, unbalanced, because we talk about sleep deprivation all
time from mothers who go through that. Imagine being in
an island where it can be really really hot in
the day and you don't have any water, you have
no place to sleep, no place to sit down.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Your mind can go. So I think we need to
start to try to get some food and water and.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
The children children to like.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Being a parent. I'm like, oh my god. I spoke
to one young lady down there who we know. She's
come like family to us and she has two sons
fourteen and seven, that's Jackson and Jazz, and she's just like,
we lost everything. Her son sent me his own little
message and he was like, thank you so much for
sending resources to my mom. She can get us some
food and clothes. She's He's like, you know, if you can,

(58:48):
I would love a solar powered lamp because I don't
know when I'm going to go back to school.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
And he want to read.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
He wants to read.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, that's all he said he want to do is read.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
He wants to read. He was able to salvage a
couple of his books and he's like, I just want
a lamp that I can read that night because I
don't know when I'm going back to school.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
The biggest thing that people people need compassion.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
There's a fourteen year old kid who lost everything, has nothing,
sends a text to k to say thank you first,
and then doesn't ask for anything else but a lamp
so he can read.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
People need compassion. That's that's what they need. That's that.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yeah, people need Compassion. Is hard.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
It's hard, all right, y'all.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
I think it's a break time. I need a little break, y'all.
Need to break.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I think I think we can wrap this one up
like I don't think we can do a listen to
letters for this, we gave out some really good info.
I need to get something to drink because I feel
like fighting everybody.

Speaker 7 (59:39):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I have another moment,
the truth. I keep telling y'all, I want to in
the comments that I will beat y'all up.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Especially over Condeen.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I almost be developed Yes, Yes, Overdan.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I don't keep playing with my girl.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I'm gonna beat y'all ass.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Again.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Listen, you know, because I mean, I guess if people
are really understood, just like the things that keep me
up at night, because the things that keep you up
at night, like for us, it's just about the human
component of life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
And we will remiss. Though for every two comments that's
some bullshit, there's like five hundred comments of people who
actually want to come.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That is important to all of you who support Yes,
Eli supported Jamaica, support Cady who came out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
He had a young lady who flew out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
She flew from Ohio.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
She's a fan of the show. I don't want to
say fans. She's a supporter of us. Shout out to Tramaya.
Her name is Tramia and she literally flew from Ohio,
went to Crystal's panel Saturday morning, and then came to
the donation drive on Sunday and spent the day with us.
She actually connected with my mom first, and my mom

(01:00:48):
was like, Kadeen, you have to talk to her. You
have to talk to her. And she brought her right
over to me and she's like, I'm from Ohio. Shout
out to Tripa, like I'm from Ohio, and she's like,
I just came into town to help. I said, game
a sentence to help. I was like, to help what?
And she was like, to help you guys. I said, baby,
you caught a flight and this government shut down. You

(01:01:09):
flew here to help. She said, well yeah, And I
saw Crystal was going to be doing a panel with
the American Black Film Festival, so I figured, like, I'll
come support her and you guys at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
That it's not going to focus on just we ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Focused on the bad minds.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
I definitely hit that one girl, because baby, when you
told me about that in that moment, and y'all know,
I don't reply to y'all and y'all negativity. But that
I was like, baby, my friend is dying, Babe, my
country is being blown away, Like what do you what
do you mean? Y'all love our rhythm, but you don't

(01:01:46):
love our blues.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, and that's my thing. I don't want to focus
on the people because there's so many more positive people
and we love appreciating.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
No, we appreciate y'all. Y'all keep us going, baby, you
keep us going. Thank you so much, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Because we didn't even talk about the tourists that was
complaining when it was in Jamaica with the food it
was getting, which was also crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But here's but here's a crazy part. There were some tourists,
but there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Was so many mothers other people who were high.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
But it's like, focus on the negativity and it becomes
the negativity becomes a story. So it's like, dang, there
was two tourists complaining, but there was fifty five tourists
sweeping and cleaning up bamboo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It's like, how about we focus on the majority.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
That didn't have to you know, they didn't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Right, It's like, let's focus on that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
But you know why we don't because if we focus
on the negativity, it gets sensationalized because we posted it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Gonna get and then start putting people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I must say, it pends a diaspora against each other
because Jamaican Americans are against Americans who.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Against the Americans and Jamaicans.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
It's like, nah, we're not beefing. No, I'm not letting
that happen. There's no no Jamaican and no American is
going to beef over nothing like this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
And for what I'm one person, people, and from what
I understand some of the resources we're still charging people
per night during the hurricane. My thing is it's probably
not in the local Jamaican management. It's probably whoever, the owner,
whoever that that European or that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I don't go to reuse anyway so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I can talk, right, That's part. That's who y'all need
to be mad at, is them people up in corporate
who are not in support of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
You know what you are, Absolutely, I'm glad you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I'm glad you actually brought that up, because sometimes the
people who work at these resorts get the backlash from
the people who visit, and you don't realize what the
people resources don't set the precedent for what you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
There's a corporate person that probably lives in Spain.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Have a boss, the boss has a boss, has a boss.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Absolutely have compassion with each other. Americans, Jamaicans have compassion
with each other.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
We need each other right right right? Oh my goodness,
on my own the truth. Be kind. Shout out to
my girl Alsion. I'm here doing the work. That's at

(01:04:04):
least what I felt like.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
I felt that on Sundays.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Well, on Sunday, I felt like that's what she would
have been doing. She would have meeting the people, she'd
have been hugging the people, she'd have been kissing the babies.
And I just felt the spirit of her on Sunday.
That got me through Sunday for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
The last story you got to tell is about the
Lady Bugs and also by Helena. And this is important
to tell because I think we should wrap it up
with this, okay, because it's just it's like a rainbow.
But it also shows you like the beauty of people
coming together and what being kind to people can create.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Right, So there were so many like moments that I
think about it. I even talk about the young lady
that I met Matt who knew my grandmother. Yes, And
she showed me picture, came with pictures of her and
my grandmother and she's like, do you remember. So there's
a young lady. Sorry, two quick stories before we go.
This will be in place of listening letter. There's a
young lady that came to the donation drive on Sunday.

(01:04:54):
She had her three children with her. She said Kadi,
and she be lined for me because I saw her
like kind of getting out of her car. She be
lyed for me and she's like, oh my god, thank god.
I said, God, if I get to see Kadeen here,
this was worth it. So I'm like, well, hey, what's up.
Nice to meet you. And she just came in with
her children and she said, I just had to come
here because I wanted to see you. I have to
show you something. And she shows me a picture of

(01:05:16):
her and my grandmother hugged up together, and I was like,
it's her screensaver on her phone. So I was like,
wait a second. She's like, do you remember me? Said?
I'm like, oh my god, girl, I meet so many people.
I felt bad. I'm like, well, you know, my grandma,
where did I meet you, She said, you didn't even
meet me before. She said, your grandmother just took me
under her wing when she was alive, which my grandmother
did to everybody's kids, right again the spirit of Jamaica.

(01:05:39):
She said, I was in a relationship. It wasn't a
good relationship. I ended up pregnant, was a single mom, struggling,
didn't have anything, had to start from scratch. Your grandmother
would encourage me to get my education so I can
get a job and take care of my baby. Your
grandmother said she was going to reach out to you
because you need. She needed baby clothes, so I had
had I forget which kid it was when I did

(01:06:02):
the calculation, I think it was Cairo or kaz and
she didn't know she was having a boy or girl.
My grandmother was like it, Namata, put the baby in whatever,
It doesn't matter what color it is, just send whatever
you have. So I had sent over some baby clothes,
newborn stuff. I packed up a big boxer and I said, Grandma,
whant to send her to your house. Get it to
your friend. So the girl through. Grandma had said thank
you so much for everything. When I found out she
had a girl, I said oh, it's a girl. I

(01:06:23):
sent her all this boy clothes. So I went to
Walmart one day and I got a bunch of like
little baby girl clothes, right, and I sent it to
my grandmother. I said, give it to her so she
could put the girl in a dress or something whatever,
you know. So she was like, I'm the girl you helped.
Oh my god, and this is the baby.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Wow, and she's like nine years old.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
It was Kiro.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
She's nine years old because Kiro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Clothes because we just got kaves again. Remember Caz came
right after.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Right, and I wasn't sure. I was convinced I was
having a girl with Caz. So I was like, oh,
I can just get rid of all this boy clothes, right,
And I was like it's fine. I was like, I
was like, it's fine, I could buy new clothes. But
she showed me. She said, this is the baby that
you helped. And she said, your grandma there encouraged me
to finish my education and now I have a job
and I'm working. I was able to move here with
my children. And she said I just had to come

(01:07:07):
here to thank you in person for that. And I
was like, so I think Patreon Gang you're gonna see
that because Matt caught the interaction when we were there.
But to close out about Alcon, so Helena, she's that
nurse can cook on Instagram. Really good friend of ours
through Dola, you know Helena. Yes, yeah, shout out Helena
and then went to the gang.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Went to school with Devalo Junior High School and Madison.
So we didn't really connect until like really social media
because I hadn't really known the connection until Dola was like,
that's my homegirl, my good friend. So Helena was also
very close to Alcon and they had their own special
relationship as well. So the moment we would get updates
and stuff, we would talk to each other and just

(01:07:49):
be in support of her. So I called Helena that
Saturday morning when I got the news because I wasn't
sure who was going to say anything yet, and I
didn't want her to find out on social media because
I know I would have been devastated if I found
out on social media, for no other reason that there's
so many people who know and love her. If the
word got out and I found out on social media,
I probably would have been devastated. So I called Helena
that morning, and I told her we had a good

(01:08:10):
old cry together on the phone, and we started talking
about stories about her and her husband. Greg made a
joke and said, Alcid's probably up there in heaven trying
to recruit people to become Jamaica citizens. That's just started.
She'd be like, do you know Jamaica, you should be
a citizen. Come let me sign you up. Jesus he's
come here here Jamaica. God is from Jamaica.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So so Helene and I we've been talking actually every
day since she's passed, just as a comfort because we
understand right the connection. So I saw Helena post the
Instagram story with a ladybug that jumped onto her arm
and her and her daughter was like, oh, look at
the ladybug. And she put a picture up of Alcion
and said, Alcian, I see you and this lady bug.
I said, yo, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
This earlier that day, mm hmm. Ky comes down to
me and says, Deval, guess what I just seen upstairs
and Kaz is inside Kaz's window. I said, what, she
goes a ladybug, it's got to be outsy on. So
then on in the day when she shows me the
post from Helena. I'm like, you know what this?

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
This was on Saturday Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Bro, this was on Saturday Saturday.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
I'm getting in the car going into the colda bardy.
My eyes are literally watering up. There was a ladybug
sitting on me in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
And I turned to christ and I was like, look
at the ladybug. And I just took it off outside.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You see how this is happening?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Do you see how this we when's the last time
we seen a lady bug in this house?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
That's crazy? And the way kaz Is window was, I
literally that I had gotten off the phone with Elena
and I was already emotional, and Kaz looked at me
and he was like, yokay, mom, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm fine. We gotta get ready for Coda's birthday party
because I'm literally trying to like get everybody up and
move in. His room was hot. I opened the window
and in between the screen and the glass part, I'm like,
how did this get in here? Like I don't even

(01:09:54):
know how the ladybug got in there, but it was there.
And I was like, oh, look at the ladybugs. So
I picked it up and I'm like, loo, Kaz, it's
a ladybug, and I'll like, we would call her lady Alon.
I'm like, look at that. And then I saw Helena's
story and now Matt's talking about it. That's crazy. That's crazy.
So thank you for the little signs. I hope that
she visits me in my dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Well, every time you see a lady bug, just know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
That that's my sincere condolences to her family. Her husband
Omar has not left her side at all ever, Vanessa,
Brian Patrick Sean, I mean all of you, every.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Loss about love not existing no more. This man carried
al seon to the bathroom in his arms, like yes,
every single time she had to go for the past
what three.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Probably as long as she as she needed, I'm not
sure how long.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
But that's love, Like people don't like, we don't even
really get a chance to see what love looks like
because people don't show these things. But on the Internet
we'll get on and show other things and it's like
love is really happening out there, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I want you to know that in real life.

Speaker 9 (01:10:59):
It was like that even when she was on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
When we were because she was there.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I think he was there, right on the sides.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Literally, when she want someone, he's there, ready to go.
But you saw that too, Yeah, yeah, for the fullest. Absolutely,
I'm happy I was able to celebrate with them their
anniversary down there. Yeah, we gotta run back that episode.
That was a good episode, the Diaspara conference. But yeah, well,
thank you all for the positivity, those of you who
sent it. The prayers for Jamaica, prayers for America, prayers

(01:11:27):
for this world, y'all.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Real quick before we close out, just think about it now.
I'm going to open up a few prints on my
print shop and all donations all proceeds will go to
donations to Jamaica as well as Cuba, because Cuba was
affected as well, and I've been to Cuba, so I
want to at least send something there that would be Dopepe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Glad you said that, Matt.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
So On December sixth, I opened up an additional day
for my Holliday minis and fifty percent of proceeds that
I generate from that opening will go to Jamaica relief.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Dope, Josh, I appreciate it, man, all these internal fundraisings.
I love that love Jamaica gonna be oh absolutely, because
we have to take trible back. We have to take
triple back. We've been talking about this, Jamaica.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
We're gonna we're gonna go back and it's gonna be nice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
It's gonna be nice. We'll be right back like it
never happened. I love y'all, Jamaica, Love you, Jamaica, Jamaica.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Yeah, I said, smile girls.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Smile, yes, a good one. Smile with me. Yes, never
you cry here? Am I all right, y'all? Thank you
for listening today. Be sure to find us on Patreon
if you're not a part of the gang yet, that's
where you can find exclusive Ellis ever After content as
well as Ellis Family content, and you can find us
on social media at Ellis ever After Podcast. I'm Kadine,

(01:12:48):
I am and I.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Am Daval, I'm Underscore Ellis and I'm Joshua Underscored Dwayne
and my mom in the Truth because we didn't get
to do it Tech get beam onto your own I before,
I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Dribs, The Cool on Everything, t R I B b
Z The Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Every time Josh does a Jamaica Access.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Making Week, it's a text message that Josh sent us.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Uh don't repeat that, repeat that it's great, and if
you're listening on Apple Podcasts, be sure it's a rate
review and subscribe. Dead Ass.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
God Ellis ever After is an iHeartMedia podcast. It's hosted
by Kadeen and daval Ellis. It's produced by Triple Video,
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