*BONUS EPISODE EXCLUSIVE* The Sandman talks Darkside of the Ring episode

Fresh off of the airing of his DSOTR episode, The Sandman returns to Eyes Up Here with Francine to recap and discuss with "The Queen of Extreme" the lowdown on perhaps the best episode ever of the controversial VICE series. "Hak" also gives additional details to stories told on air and shares what was left on the cutting room floor. 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey everyone, it's the Queen of extream crank scene and.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
You are listening to Eyes up here on the iHeart
Rating Network or Forever Dating podcast. As always, I am
enjoyed by my co host Chad, who is dancing listening
to Chad.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
What's in that head of yours? Music in my head?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is it is?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
It?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Is it a good song?

Speaker 5 (00:49):
At least it's extreme. It's a little iHeart Radio, a
little bit of everything going in my head right now, Mexico.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm Bob all right. I like it. What's what's happening
in your world? Anything? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
On this side of the Kingdom, the Chadster is doing
pretty good. Yeah, there's a sitting tight again. The weather
is nice. The Chadster's out and about softball seasons in
full swing. Cannot complain one single bit if I did,
Nobody wants to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Do you think your h your kids are gonna win
this year?

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Blue out the other team twenty seven to ten the
other night. So looking pretty good now. Coach Chadster is
on a roll right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Nice. Nice, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I wanted to uh wanted to put out this episode earlier.
Usually we'll wait till Tuesday, but this was this is
a hot topic that we're gonna go over, and we
needed to put it up a sap. If you are
a fan of Dark Side of the Ring or a
fan of Sandman, you're gonna want to listen to this

(01:53):
whole episode because we're gonna have the legend himself coming
on in just.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
A few minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
But I did not want to wait, because then all
the other vultures are going to get their stuff up
and we have the man himself on the show. It's
not like it's just too schmuck's talking about the episode, you.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
We literally have Sandman or Hackey poo as I like
to call him, coming on.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So I thought it would be cool to go over
what we watched.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
And you know, there's a lot of it that I
already knew, and there was some of it that he
told me, like in bits and pieces, but the episode.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Filled in the blanks for me. And I'm like, as
I'm watching that, I'm like, oh my god, yeah, that's
that story he told me when we were going to
Queens one.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Day, or that's the story I remember from the locker room,
you know what I mean, Like everything came and fell
into the right place and.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Now I know everything. So it was very enlightening.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, say the least a guy that has so much
legend around him and seem like, whenever you watch something
or you listen to a podcast about ECW, there's some
Sandman story that comes around, and you've told you've said
so many of them, and you've documented so many of
your trips with him. Yeah, just him as a whole
is a vlog, right, Just watching him is a vlog

(03:18):
that the story that The Dark Side of the Ring portrayed.
It's just it's fascinating. So when they announced this, I mean,
this was what you're listening to. Now, this was concepted
that day when they announced it because we had to
have him on to talk about it because we have
to get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, and some of this might be repetitive if you
watch the episode, but I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Try to, you know, pull a little more out of
him that you didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Get to hear on the show. So, and he's very
open and honest, he doesn't hold back. He'll he tells
it like it is, and he'll tell he'll tell us everything.
So why don't you go and send the link over
and okay, and as soon as he popped on, we're
gonna we're gonna start this because I actually wrote down
notes because I didn't want to forget anything. Some of

(04:08):
the questions are really good, and I want to get
more out of the man himself.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
I gotta say, I think they said a dark side
of the ring profanity record.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
That was a lot of cursing.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know, I want I wish I knew what the
was this the last episode of this season. Okay, So
I wish I knew which episode was the biggest draw m.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, we can probably find that out afterwards.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I really want to know.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think I might rip him before he comes on,
and I'm going to tell him, you know, I saw some.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Of the numbers and you were the lowest rated. I
want to see what.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
He says, Brutus Beefcake, come on. Everybody who's waiting for
the footage of that face getting ripped off?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Everybody? Everybody beat you? Heck, you were last dead, last,
you loser.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
That's what This season was just emotional, a roller coaster
if you're a wrestling fan, because I mean they really
just told some crazy stories. He did, He did makes
face get ripped off to just families getting torn apart.
So up here we go. Up, here's one familiar face.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
You have this thing out girl.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're good, You're good. Listen.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't want to pop your bubble, burst your bubble.
But they they put their the numbers out, the ratings out.
You were the lowest rated episode this season.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
How did that happen? I knew I fop you.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
You were so serious. I don't want to bre Once
you said that, I was like, she's gonna hit you
with something good. I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Look, I don't know what the numbers are. I enjoyed
the hell out of that episode last night. The only
critique I have is that I wasn't and I wasn't interviewed.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
But you know, next time.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
They honestly, they got enough on the They left enough
clips on the on the floor of the studio there
that they could have another two full episodes of me.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
What is there something they didn't touch base with? Is
there a story? Right?

Speaker 6 (06:17):
So? For example, are we on right? Now?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
We're on?

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Okay? The biggest example was one of my best friends
that I started going to the Philadelphia Spectrum with. They
interviewed him for a couple of hours. They never even
showed him. He was the one that was with me
when I got thrown out of this Philadelphia Spectrum for
carrying a piece of the steel cage into the ring
and Gorilla mon soon threw me out when I smacked

(06:44):
on the back. Yeah, so they didn't. They didn't touch
on so many things Todd. They interviewed Todd the same way,
Phronsie the same way. And you see a couple of
little snippets, but they have so much other stuff. They
only really covered one one angle of mine in the episode.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right. Well, let's let's get believe it or not. I
wrote down notes.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yay, I did, and I have them on my phone
and I'm going to go over each one of them
because I was just telling Chad. I said, you know,
as much as I have hung out with you and
we've traveled up and down these roads together and stuff,
you would tell me stories, right, but you wouldn't tell
me like the whole story. And when I watched the episode,

(07:27):
I'm like, that's the story he was telling me in
the car when we were going to Queen's or we
were going you would say that I did this, I
did this, I did this, and I'm like, yeah, cool,
And then I watched that. I'm like, that's the same story,
and now it makes sense to me.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
My brain lives on six second intervals A lot of
times I'm like, all right, what was I talking about again?
Squirrel and me and her in the car is like,
you're you're my.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Favorite travel partner.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Advice now, But the first thing I need to ask
you because this you might have told me and I either.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Forgot or I was like he's full of shit. Prostitution.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
It's like, so, what.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Elaborate on that you talk?

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Oh, it was just a Chippendale's.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
They opened up a twenty five one hundred people nightclub
with a big spaceship with a with a robot that
came out of the center and went on and you
got to understand, this is the early eighties right here.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
I just get out of jail. I've been out of
jail for maybe like two three months, and the next
thing you know, I'm in this big club on a
Thursday night ten Bucks so you could drink, and the
producer director of the Chippendales seize me, and next thing
you know, I'm a Chippendale.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Did you bang her in that office. No, all right,
that's a letdown.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
No, But another part of the story that you didn't
hear was so she hands me a card of all right,
this is a guy that's going to be your trader.
All right, this guy's going to be a choreographer. We
want you to learn how to dance a little bit.
And then she goes, but Nick Denrio's here, and he's
the guy that invented the chipp of Dales. I want
you to meet him. So we go out of her

(09:18):
office and walking down a small hallway, Nick happens to
be coming out of his office. He looks right at
me and looks at her and goes, he's starting tonight,
isn't he? And she goes, yes, sir, he is.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Is Nick the guy who hung himself in jail?

Speaker 6 (09:32):
No? No, no, Nick Denario? It was a mob head.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Probably, Oh okay, okay, because I saw the Chippendale gimmick
on TV and the guy that they said created the
Chippendales went to jail and hung himself in jail, in
his cell.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
And that's not how I remember. But I'm not saying
that ain't the way it was.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
All right, all right, so let's go back prostitution. You
need a hund.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I'm going to sleep with you tonight. I'm going to
pay you, right, which it was one hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I'm not going to sleep twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, I would pay you one hundred dollars. But then
you would have to take forty five dollars to get
a room.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Oh, they would pay for the room. All that was
for a credit card. I'm like, lady, I'll meet you here,
figgin that's it?

Speaker 7 (10:25):
So oh so okay, So the mistress came with the
lady on the evening whatever she paid for the room
and then had to give you one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, and you had whatever they wanted, Oh my god,
for how long?

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah? But you got to understand, I think you were
paying it's like six eight dollars an hour, and you're
only working. You're working five hours a night for for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
And then if you were lucky, you got to go
up the studio fifty four, which I did a couple
of times to work up there, and they would pay
you more to work up there, right, and so, but

(11:03):
you have to make money the way you could.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So how many ladies would you be with?

Speaker 6 (11:08):
No, probably like maybe twenty total and six more night.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
No, twenty total, twenty your whole career, your whole career.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, you didn't feel well. You got to understand, there's
not a lot of ladies in nineteen eighty four that
are going to be like, oh yeah, here, dude, getting.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
My par we're rolling. How big were the bushes back then?
Were they huge?

Speaker 6 (11:33):
They didn't. Nobody was shaved nobody.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Was that a turn off?

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Was that a turn off?

Speaker 6 (11:41):
I didn't care. That's the that's the thing that was
every girl. Then we get just a girl that you
would be in a club or something and you ended
up having section this, yet a bush there. Rarely you
would get the ones that were shaving back in the days.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Did you wear a condo?

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Never? Once in my life?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh god, you should.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Never want them. I was so lucky.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I'm not even talking about the drugs, which we'll get into.
Just all that dirty puss.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
You should be all right. You gotta understand, some of
the lady, this is a I'm not I'm not in
a nightclub in New York City. I'm in the up.
Like the average I would bet you the average person
back then was probably making one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars in the neighborhood that this club was it. This
is a higher class club. These women had husbands that

(12:36):
were making money, most of them and were spending their
husband's money.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It said Pulsations in this was that where you were?

Speaker 6 (12:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Do you know? I was Penny Pulsations at my first show.
I was. We wrestled there.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
What Yeah, we did I have anything to do with it,
but yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I was Penny Pulsations.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
It was. I must have told everybody the story that night.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Thank god it didn't last because and you know, you know, hey,
that was almost as bad as your surfer gimmick.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
But we'll get into that too. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
God. Another thing it was about John Taffer was the
manager of the first night that club to open. You know,
the guy that does all the bar rescues. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. The first night the club opened, the spaceship
came out over top of the dance floor. It fell
on some lady and killed her right child. Her instantly
squashed her. They swept her up in like ten minutes,

(13:33):
and the party kept coming the opening night of the club.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Google that man, I wonder if that lady would have
paid you one hundred dollars later that.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Well, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
With her dying, that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's a terrible story, all right, So the prostitution didn't
last very long.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I had to get into that. The next topic.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Was you meeting Lorie Peaches, right, mm hmm, and she
says after two three months she gets pregnant.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You do the right thing, and you want to marry
her before the.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Baby Mary in her anyway, whether she was pregnant or not.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I was going to say, did did the shotgun wedding
happen because you know she was pregnant?

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Well, no, it was technically no the way they edited it,
and they did. They the one story about me and
Paul when he said he knows McCauley caulkin, they edited
I never start that story out the way I heard
it yesterday. So they take words of mine and plug
them in to start that story, which I never start

(14:39):
that story with whatsoever. So anyway, I didn't want it
to be a shotgun wedding. I wanted to have Tyler
Bourne already before we got married, So it wasn't a
shotgun wedding. Okay, Hey, I want him to be born.
I want him there with us. That was important to
me for some reason.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, because everybody that I talked to that does Dark Side,
they say my words got twisted, they took things out
of content.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
They edited it to where I said this, but I
didn't really say this.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to know, like what is
completely accurate. So that's what I.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Picked it up. But I would I would pick it
up easier. I'm like, I never started that story like
that ever in my life. I never started that story
like that ever in my life. They would. I would
talk for like thirty forty five sixty seconds, and then
they would start the story from there and they would
Their editing is so good. I guess right now that
you don't even pick it up where they're taking a

(15:38):
me saying that is out of some other context and
putting it in exactly where they want it, you know,
which is which is? I guess everybody does it now.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, in one hand, on one hand, it's genius,
But on another hand, if you if they put it
somewhere you don't want it to be, then you're screwed.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
And that's yeah, Well, then anybody that does an episodes
should say that I have final cut.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
You know what I mean, why he's smart.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
The best line I ever heard you say was I
was born as a gimmick. Yeah, that one last thing
I've ever heard you say in my life.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
I pop.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's the one thing I popped huge for out of
the whole hour, because we all know I was a
huge mark for the wet suit, but it had to
go after a while.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
It was just way too much. Who came up with
that wet suit? Was that you?

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Well? I had to because I started in June nineteen ninety.
By what I had already worked with in my first
three months. By September, I worked with Ivan Golof, I
had worked with Jimmy Snooka. I worked with Ron Shawl
and Don Morocco. So at that point, Jerry Lawler calls

(16:59):
Joel good Heart because it was still Try State West Alliance.
It says, I need a couple guys, but unknownst to me,
and it wouldn't have mattered anyway. The USWA is less
than a year of shutting down from right now, So
Lawler's just searching for anything, anybody cheap that wants to
come down there because they're paying like twenty five at
night or something. But he wanted to have a gimmick.

(17:21):
So with the samman it was my good heart but
told me, He's like, listen, you're gonna need a gimmick
or something like that. So I thought of the wet
suit and then the surfboard. I go to Gary Wolf's
house because back then the Pippoles literally ran the city
of Philadelphia. They knew every bouncer and every club anywhere
we went. So Gary's out here, let's get your van.

(17:44):
Will go down to delar Avenue. It's one o'clock in
the afternoon on like a Wednesday. He walks in, tells
the bouncer. He says, go get that surfboard off the wall.
Because the place was rock lobster. It was like, you know,
like a beach gimmick. He goes, all right, he went
and took the surfboard off. The next thing you know,
it's in my man and I'm all my way to
Memphis the next day.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
So if Paul didn't say you were getting the surfboard
broke over your head that night, would you have continued
like did it ever occur to you?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I have to get rid of this gimmick.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Yeah, but but you know what the funny thing is,
like Todd Gordon buds me. He's like hack. I was
the one that was telling Paul uh that that surfer
gimmick needs to go, and he missed that.

Speaker 8 (18:27):
I didn't give him credit on the show last night.
I give him all the credit, but it really goes
to Todd because Todd had so much more to do
with the transformation into me just being me, and he
saw that before I even saw that.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
There's the I wish I could have Todd and Paul
just go great. So one of the stories that people
might not know, and I said, I'm going to bring
it up because you can say I don't want to
talk about it, but I know you will. They touched
base with you and Missy a little bit. Missy was

(19:06):
your your manager for a short time in ECW tell
the story.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I don't remember where we were.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I want to say somewhere in New York, but I
can't remember the match was. I don't know if it
was a tag or if it was just Lorie against
Missy on her Rory shot on her and like.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Was that okay?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Before you tell the story, was that when Missy came
to the building and she had had all the placeic
surgery done.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I remember what she had she couldn't.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Yeah, I know that story exactly because it was it
Lulu Temple in Norristown, Plymouth meeting Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Okay, okay, he.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Got her lipstarn and the ring and me and Missy
we were like, you know, to like some ship's pasted
in the night. But it was like here for a
little bit, and then very soon it was like, all right,
we're going on a separate way. And then Paul pushed
her on the Paul of Arlands and get him to
do a job for Taz. But that's a story for
another time. My stories have stories right here. So so

(20:21):
Missy gets her uh gets your lips on and they
were huge.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Because she yeah done.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Yeah. So the ring was late that night, so me,
just me and me, I went outside to entertain the crowd,
and I was telling everybody, when Missy comes out, I
want you to go ooh, look at her lips, look
at her. I was so mean. I don't even know
what made me do that, but I was so mean
that night, and she she cried. I apologized to her later. Yeah,

(20:53):
she cried and then I felt bad. Okay, like sixty seconds.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Passed to the other stories. So Laurie.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Yeah, so see, Laurie knew something was going on. She's
got women's into the wis she You know what I'm
saying that she was my seven year rich and she
so when she got a chance to lace the shit
out of her, she did.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So what I mean, I didn't see that match, but
I remember I was there and I was in the back,
and I.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Remember somebody going she broke her arm. She broke Missy's arm,
and I'm like, what is happening? Like what and They're like,
Laurie's shooting on Missy.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
She broke her arm.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
I forgot all about that part. Yeah, missus own arm?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
What what did she?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Like?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (21:38):
She just started whacking her with the cane like wait, wait, wait,
wait whacking her with the cane.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So I mean, did after that, did you admit you
were having an affair?

Speaker 6 (21:51):
I don't. I don't remember, but she knew it and
I knew she knew it, and she got me back.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay, okay, all right, I just remember that story popped
in my head and I was like, I've never seen
that match. I don't know how she broke her arm,
but I know she shot on her and I was
watching the locker room was going ape shit, like say,
Laurie's freaking missus arm. And I just never knew how,
Like I thought, maybe she just got her and cranked

(22:20):
her and broke her wrong, like I didn't old. Yeah,
like I don't know, I don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
How long after that were you guys married for Oh.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Dude, we were married for way longer than we were together.
We were probably married technically married for like fifteen years,
but we were together like maybe a decade Okay, maybe more.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Okay, So they they, while we're talking about her, might
as well get into it today.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Got into the part where.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
She starts saying, you're starting to take steroids because is
you know, your hardcore hack now you're in w CW
blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
They changed you as a person.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It wasn't the other, It wasn't everything else that you
ever took in her life.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
This is there, you know what I'm saying. Okay, at
least she was just I mean, I was so horrible
to her as a husband, you know what I mean.
And and the kids were always more important than her,
and she knew that. And I always made sure any
girl in my life knew that that you will never

(23:35):
be more important than that child. And that's exactly how
I feel.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I agree with that statement, but I don't agree with
the abuse. And like I feel, okay, I'm just I'm
just telling you as a woman, I feel like I
know you right. You're one of my best friends. I
love you to death. If I didn't know you the
way I know you now, i'd be like, I hate
that dude.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
I hated that guy once, Like right now, I hate
that guy. You know what I'm saying. But I hated
that guy for a while. You know. But everything's in retrospect.
It's when you're thirty years old, life is totally different
than when you're sixty years old. The older you get,

(24:22):
the more things come into focus. Hey, you might need
readers glasses, like I got here somewhere to read the newspaper.
But your your insight gets gets way more sharpened that
the older that you get, and you start to realize
how much that what you what I was doing, it

(24:43):
was affecting so much more than my short sighted hacking.
It was just like, how do I please myself for
the day for a lot of that time, you know
what I mean. And and and it's kind of natural.
I would think that anybody that when your career is
rising like that, that you need to be more focused

(25:06):
on it or or more in tune to it, or
I'm making an excuse.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well I just on thee.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah no, No, it was focus of what's real in
life sometimes because you're so wrapped up in your career.
All right, Yeah, that's that's kind of summed it up
for me.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
What's what's important in life?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
That because back in the day, you're so fixated on
how do I get myself over, how do I stay
on top?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
This is all I know. Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I was single when I worked there. I didn't have
my family, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
So it is me, me, me, me me.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
But now, like I would die for my family, and
I feel like that's that's you know, And I don't
know that other person because I never I hung out
with that shows and stuff back in the day. But
I never like with Todd and were even and all
those guys like go into the house and stuff. I
didn't do that, Like I wasn't in that circle, so

(26:08):
I didn't see that side.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Of you, you know what I mean? To see that
it hurt my.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Heart, but I know it's my heart now. I under
you're so blind that I could be so blind and
so selfish and really selfish. It's selfish.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
You've changed, You've changed.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Well, because the older you get me hopefully, the little
wiser you get, you know what I mean, you start
to realize how selfish you really were. And I could
have had it both ways, but I did it because
I was a half ast drug addict. Well, I could
have had it both ways because so many other guys
could have it both ways, you know what I mean.
But I screwed all that up.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, And I'm not fault. I'm not beating a dead horse.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's over.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm just saying the person that you are now, I
don't see any tree of that guy whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
And I yeah, and I like. I like the person
you are now.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
That's so right.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'm kind of putting you over, which I hate putting
you over. Yeah, I kind of you over for that.
Let's go to my little boyfriend Tyler too. I always
tell him they were so nea to.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Me in the locker room. Whose he was.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
He was just as little ones.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But you told him to act like that, and I
unders that. Now me and TI have a great relationship.
The one thing that I never got to ask him
or ask you. He's six seven years old, so he's
in kindergarten first rate or.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Something like that, right, Yeah, but I held him back
because I want I didn't put him into kindergarten until
he was six years old because I wanted that one
more year of maturity for him playing sports as a
senior in high school.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
At the edge.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
That's you know, that's how I think. As I was
in eighteen until I graduated. He was eighteen the first
day of school, so he was the oldest kid in
the class.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
So regardless of how old he was, he's going to school.
Are these kids like privy to are the parents? Does
anybody know what's going on?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Is time putting himself over and selling eight by tens
at recess? Like what's happening? Because that's what I would
have did.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
Well, we're on at two o'clock in the morning, you
know what I'm saying. And I'm living in Broom Hall
or Newtown Square, Pennsylvania. There wasn't a wrestling fan kind
of town, you know what I'm saying. So it took me.
It took a while longer until I got a little
bit more, till he and me got a little bit
more famous, because I.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Was gonna say, like little kids they talk, and so
this here he is. He's on television.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
He's you know, he's in the hottest angle at the
company season a long time.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
And he's not Sims played that in another first graders.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
This great angle with this dude.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Ravens because look at look at the delivery in the
promos that he gave that little ship was right on
the money. And like Scotty said, he goes. Scotty was like,
I could flub my lines and forget to give him
his cue and he would just say his line like that.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
And the last spot that they showed him, we were
in a park in New York City like its two
three a m oh. This is the same night we
had Miani naked on and he had all and he
was doing blue dust. So we went and got the
we got blue icing from acting. We put it all

(29:46):
over him and a cop happens to show up as mean,
he's naked on this bridge, that one of those wooden
bridges with a seven year old kid, three o'clock in
the morning at a bark in New York. Well, but
it was but there was a neighborhood around the park,
you know what I mean. It wasn't a central park

(30:08):
or whatever, so there was there was houses within like
one hundred and fifty yards of us. Yeah. Yeah, And
then we wake him up. He goes and stands on
a rock. He's literally he's been awake for maybe a
minute or two. It's druzzoing out a little bit. We
pull them over. We say, stand on his rock and
say this. When Ravid gets done, this one take them.

(30:31):
He went right back in the car with sleep.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
What was his salary, any toy.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
That he wanted, and went there. We went there. Back
then it was Kmart, so I would take him to
Kmart every morning. That was like one of our deals.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay, So he wasn't on the payroll. He didn't ask
s Debby for a wrestlers.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
He had eight million wrestlers and we still have him
in like big tubs and is it the basement of
this house? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
How could you not make him get in line and say, Daddy,
where's my draw?

Speaker 6 (31:02):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I would have made a mass for a draw, all right?
What else? What else?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
The cross angle, the crucifixion angle, you still have no regret.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
No zero, absolutely zero, the.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Worst angle that has ever been portrayed in a wrestling
company ever.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Well, okay, so who's right now? The Palestinians are the Israels?
You know what I'm saying. It's it's it's a movie.
You're watching a movie.

Speaker 9 (31:38):
But my point is, with the Palestinians and the Israels today,
all this strife that's happening and all these kids, I
gotta go a little bit of public general public knowledge
on you right here, happening everywhere, and it's all over.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
So I don't know how to So what was your
problem with it?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Couldn't you have just been the Sharks and the Jets
and like maybe.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Craco checks in the hall, like yeah, just come on,
and you're j the Jet all the way from your
first cigarette, your last valiant day.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'll be honest with you. I hated that angle.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I was one of the people that went up the
pollen screens in his face and said somebody needs to apologize.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Now, I'm not saying I was.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
The main person who got Scotty to go out there
and apologize.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I was right, I was lit it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I I just thought it was the most disrespectful thing
I'd ever seen in the world, because even like, for me,
even if you don't believe, like so many people believe
in religion, and how holy and just say that is
to certain people and to me, it was made a

(33:05):
mockery of And I just I just found it to
be very poor to Okay.

Speaker 10 (33:10):
Now, suppose you saw, suppose the Exorcist movie, all right,
but suppose it happened on a movie screen, would you
would you leave the movie theater.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I wouldn't watch it.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
I did not watch the blasphements of it all.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
What what I believe in makes me tend to not
watch that stuff. And that's just me. And I'm not
you know, I'm not preaching.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm not saying I'm holier than now and I haven't
made mistakes blah blah blah. I'm just saying for what
I believe in as a you.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Know, as a Catholic, I guess it offended me, and
I just I just didn't I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
I supposed to pop that was the whole idea of it.
I just wish you know what that that was our
Howard Stern. You know what I'm saying, The shot value
all that I knew that I was, I was at
least smart enough at that point in my career that
the shock value is going to be great and that's

(34:13):
what you're.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Looking for it and you were one hundred percent on
the money with that. I will agree with you on.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That, gun.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
I also understand your point of view, and it's a
lot of the there. There was crickets when that was happening,
when they realized if you look at the people in
the background that are usually go crazy, they're all like.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I've never I've never been in that arena where they
didn't respond, like with an overwhelming war of applause or something.
And I just I was right in front of the
monitor and I said and I and I turned around
with this disgusting face and I just went Paul just

(34:52):
and I said, yeah, I had said, somebody.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Out there to apologize right now. I said, that was
the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. I let him
have it. He just took it. He didn't argue with me,
he didn't say too where he just took it and
I sat back. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I look again, I'm just bringing it up because they
brought it up on the show and I had to
relive it again. It I was hot and I was like, uh,
I hate this angle.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I think I did it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Hey, that's the response that you want. Love it, hate it.
It's a response.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Help me, I know, I know. All right, Well, I
just wanted to see if you how bad or not.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't all right, what else, Chad?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Do you have anything to mention?

Speaker 6 (35:37):
Because I got you be suspiciously quiet?

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well, I like to when you guys talk, I like
to just listen because.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Now that's smart. Let it breathe, let us do it exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
But no, but I see, But I just got of
like they went to the w w E side and
then it just kind of ended. So where where else
did they go with it? After they started talking to
you about the WWE side of your career?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Like what else did they talk?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
But when I got there, I knew in my head
that it was a short lived thing. It was it
was an I'm thinking in my head maybe a year,
year and a half that uh, that that's going to
happen and I have zero expectations when I'm going into
that except that the money's going to be great.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Same.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Although you know, it's funny you said that because I
remember being in a car with Al Snow very early
to where I when we signed our contracts, because we
all signed at the same time, right, Yeah, And I
was riding with Al one weekend and uh, and I said,
I'm not going to last six months here, and I
just had that gut feeling, you know, and He's like,
don't say that, and I go, I'm saying it.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm calling it.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I said, I signed for three years, I guarantee you
six months.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Six months to the day was when I got released.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
I just were you really started thirty six one month contracts?
That's what that one it was.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I knew from the get go, but something told me like,
this is your this is your last big run, this
is your last particular.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
It was me and me. I remember me heard Saboo
driving around somewhere northern Jersey with a garment and the
garment sentence like three hotels that didn't even exist anymore.
They were like vacant parking lots.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
The garment was probably a two inch screen. Yeah, I
was one of the first people to have one ever.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
She was so proud of it too. Oh she's like, oh, look,
we don't need a map anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Because you remember, we wouldn't use map quest.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
There wasn't paid in the aspect. People doing all these
guys today don't understand that we would know the town
and and when we were driving in we would have
we would go to like a seven to eleven and
hope we would see a poster like they papered the
tarl to know where the building was. And then we'd
have to hand somebody you couldn't make it to a
building with help me get a couple of long turns.
Back in the day, it just didn't happen.

Speaker 11 (38:04):
We'd have almanacs, Oh, those ABC maps where you had
to go to one page to the other, and everybody
got screwed up when the town was at the top
of this page and then you had to turn.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
If you're still going north, you had to turn the
page thirty six and then put that off at the bottom.
Red McNally, Yeah, now they used to call me hack
McNally because at one point, even before that, they had
what was that thing that they came out the maps
road maps, MapQuest, map quest, and then when we were

(38:38):
on the road sometimes I would print them up for
people and give them the people to get to the
to get to the next town. So I was like,
hack mcdally, that's funny.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
But what else did they cover though with you that
didn't get put into the dark side?

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Uh? I told you my whole growing up, my whole
history from when I was five years old watching it
and talking to my old friend and every time we
went to the Spectrum. We went to the Spectrum every
single solitary month for probably five years from the time
I was like sixteen till twenty one. Yeah, until I
went in jail when I was twenty one.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
But even like I'm talking about from the post WWE side,
it's like they hit WWE and then they were like, boo.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Made it like your career ending it.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Oh yeah, because they got to wrap up the show.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
We want more of a PostScript though, give me something.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah, but I expect that, you know what I'm saying.
They're trying to wrap it up and they're getting their
their points across.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
And seventeen years ago the lot's happened.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Come on, Yeah, we're still making towns. I mean, my
god put the guy over w.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
Yeah, well, at least who was it? Uh? Oh was
it raving? Or somebody said, well, at least he's still
doing it thirty five years later, which is a joke
when you think about it. For any that we're still
making money. People pay us to go have family reunions
all over the country. The greatest thing ever, it really is.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Look, we work really hard, and we we give a
lot of ourselves at these.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
We say it all the time. We're like, we're the
luckiest people in the world. We are around with our
best friends, we have a good time.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
We sign our name the paper and that's it.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's so great. I have I have one more question.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
I have a fireball shot here and there.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I love it all right, the last time you got
to rest it. According to the the TV show.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
Right Us Party Birthday.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
It was okay, I said earlier, I said this the
swat team for me. Okay, I said, there's no way
this is a wrestling show. It looks like a banquet
hall at a wedding reception.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Yeah it was. It was this captain those seventy fifth birthday.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
So okay, So you weren't performing or anything you were.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
No, I was just there drinking thirty long island ice
tease me foremost okay, literally.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thirty It looked like you were at a well technically
you were like supposed to be at a show, working
or something. But then when they showed you, I said,
no way, I said, the way that the tables.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
I started on a bank table with microphone.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
That's what I'm saying. I said, did they hire him
for a button? It's like, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (41:32):
And the Albano was doing some of my bookings then,
so that's how I ended up there, and I'm like, yeah,
I want to be a captain seventy fifth birthday. So
me Gary to Pitbull and Big Joe that that big,
that six foot nine biker we used to hang out with.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
And then what happened? What did you get? An argument over?

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Who knows that was shiit faced? But from the other
stories from everybody, because I don't really remember much. Imagine
a bar down in South Philly. Uh, that's a that's
an end unit on a street, a rowhouse, so you
know how they have the bars underneath. Okay, so it's
kinda think about that. We're out back. He throws a

(42:12):
bottle at me, hits me right here in the head explodes.
Then he runs into the back door. So I start
running down the street and I'm watching him through the
through the windows, running running through the bar. Now the
Jimmy Jimmy Vegas, No not Jimmy Vegas, is sothern guy Jimmy.
He was in the kitchen at the time. He said.

(42:32):
I came in and started throwing glances around, started getting crazy,
and then he goes And then I found the guy
hiding behind the door. I opened up the door and
he was and he was holding this like eighteen inch
salt and pepper shaker, you know those over and the
next thing, the swat team gave it.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
So wait, you went after him to beat him up.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah, I mean obviously after he.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Threw the bottle at your head, you were still conscious.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Yeah. No, Nobody could believe that the thing exploded and
a million pieces too. Guys couldn't believe that I was
chasing him. I was chased so like ten seconds afterwards.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Oh god, So every story was said, there's not a
good story that was left off the car.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
All right, I got a story to tell you today.
That dreamer reminded me of today. Okay, he goes, I
don't know if you remember this, but we were at
the I have no idea this story. So I'm like,
all right, what did I do? What did I do?
So we went to the Metallica concert in lat at
the coliseum one hundred thousand people or whatever there was,

(43:47):
and we're backstage. He gues, as soon as they started
playing the Sad Band song, you ran right out on
stage of what draw up like that? Like the whole
place was there to see me. I would have been
attend gee. I would have bet my life that I
was never on stage with mad How do I not

(44:09):
remember that.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
My head thirty long islands in that was.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
The captain lows? But who knows? Oh, Dreamer said, Well,
back then seven eleven and wah wah had these big buckets.
They were big, like uh plans to paper cups that
held like forty five ronces. So I would fill the
whole thing up with vodka and then uh and then
top it off a little bit with mountain dew or

(44:38):
something like that. So here's the other part of the story.
So we're outside of the Kyle see him. The Dreamer goes,
you see this cop and and he's got this chip
thing on him. This and he's a chip cop. You
walk right up to him, start talking to him, because
this was brand new when Chip was there. And you
know me, I'm in on current events and stuff like that,
because next thing I know, you're ending your bucket of alcohol.

(45:02):
I've been up for three days. Handed to me, lets
me ride his motorcycle around the parking line. Don't even
remember it.

Speaker 9 (45:10):
He's had to the cop hand of my big bucket.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Well, he knew who I was though, he knew I
was the Sandman, so that helped a little bit.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
And get me on his motorcycle.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
Dummy, I know, Hey, you just got in the Sometimes
I just walk into some stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Sometimes that story would have been aces to put on
the dark Side episode I.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Forgot. That's why people are like, why don't you write
a book. I'm like, I don't remember anything. I would
have to give a chapter out the friendy, a chapter
out the dream, or a draft out. I would give
the forward to the book. That's it. I get the forward. Hey,
this is how these people remember it.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I'm telling you you have lived a charmed life. And
as Todd was right and Laurie was right, you should
have been dead a long time.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
But I'm so glad you're alive.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
Because multiple times I should easily die.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I'm so happy you're still with us, because yes, me too.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
My grandkids got up like six forty five with my
two year old grandson and then two years, two hours later,
the four year four year old got up, took him
out back to the pool and stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Called the pool video.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Yeah, I was Oliver shooting that with me and it
was so cute.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, I love I love seeing this is what I love.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
I love that time. There's nothing better than that time.
I love getting up with him in the morning. And
I am never ever up at that time unless I
gotta get on an airplane. I'm not up at six
forty five.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Oh, by the way, we're not flying on the private
plane anymore. We're fine. I'll talk to you about that later.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Thank god.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
It changed.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
No, but we were we were in I don't know
where we were, but it was last I think it
was last year, and it was me, you and Shane.
It was like nine thirty, you know, at night, and
we had just got to the hotel. We had a
show the next day or whatever. We're just chilling and
hack goes, twenty years ago, we'd be sitting.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
In the room doing coke or getting bombed or this
and that.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
He goes, Now we're talking about our kids and we're
now and we don't have any alcohol here and no drugs.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
And he goes and this is great, And I said, yeah,
it's nice.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
It's different, and it's nice because we have matured different
phases of life.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Well, I listen, I enjoyed.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
My problem is I got stuck at fifteen year old
for like forty years. That was my problem. That's your
Every psychilogist, every psychiatrist I've ever told, they were like, dude,
you you never matured over fifteen years old. That's when
your problem. That's why he gets to get along so
good with kids, because you never matured.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, I think you have, but I think there's certain
instances where you still act like an idiot.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
And I can say that because.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
Every day, like eight ten times, well, I walk around saying, heck,
why did you do that? You're an idiot. You're an idiot.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I enjoyed you back then, but I thoroughly enjoy you now.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
Yeah, yes, we have ten times better relationship than wherever.
But we had Shane in between and saying he was
he was, he was a plug and he has a progress.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
He was he wasn't Debbie Downer.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Sometimes I believe I just said that.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I'm gonna tell me you said that.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
My grandfather said that back in the day.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
There was a time and I was thinking about this
today because you and I are really close, right, but
there was a time when you and I wanted to
kill each other.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And I don't remember that was my fault. I don't
remember where the tension was. But I know the night
that you came back where you you.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Think you got the loudest pop pop why he started
on a tornado and a volcado.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Oh my god, the building registered on the Richter scale.
We ate that night.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Listen that night. We didn't talk and I was in
the ring with you, and you wouldn't put You wouldn't
put the beer, You wouldn't give me the beer, and
you wouldn't hug me, and you would There were so
many days and it was super awkward.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
And if you watch I just watched it the other
day because somebody, it's at the end me, you and
Tommy are in the rink and you had just you
and Tommy are hugging and I'm standing there and I'm like, okay,
I know there's heat. I don't know why there's heat.
Is this m I for gonna hug me because this

(49:49):
is really awkward, and you didn't, and I said, well
then I'm not gonna hug him.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
So Tommy he hands me the beer and I just
start drinking it by myself because I'm like, well, I
got to do something because I I.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Thought you wouldn't drink the beer. You know we had heat,
we did.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I don't remember you.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
Were mad at me for something was Shane's fault. I
am one blame in Shane for that, because he will
be the common denomination.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Left I was.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
I was. I know that was the reason he left
to put all the heat on you, and that's why
I got mad at you.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I don't remember, but every time I watched that video,
I get so mad because I'm.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
Like, man, how can watch anymore?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I know, but.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Sometimes people put it on my my timeline and it's
there and I'm just by myself drinking fear like a loser,
and I'm just like, I can't remember for the life
of me why we fought.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
I'm sure it was my fault.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
All right, I'll say it was your fault, but I
just don't remember what it was. But it made me sad.
I'm like, this could have been such a more fun
night for me, and I was happy that you were back.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
And oh so that's why. That's why it's not the
biggest pop ever, because I shunned you at the end
of the biggest poem. Oh wow, now you're really showing
your true callers, Fanny. It's because I shunned you. That's
why I wasn't the biggest.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Out of ten. I'd give you like a seven point eight.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Oh wow, if I can weigh in. I do have
to take the headphones out when he comes out because
it is so loud.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
So very loud.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
It is a good pop and he's jacked and then
and then the jackness goes away after like three monks.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Well, dude, I only worked out for six months ever
in my entire life.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
I know.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
That's it. I did six months. I got jack stop
working it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Because you were in the lands of the giants and
then you came back to the lands of the pudgies
and it was great.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
It was anyway.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I'm so glad we got you. I wanted to get
you first, but stupid busted open beat me. But that's okay.
What do you want to share with us? Where are
you going to be? Do you even know your schedule?

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
You were coming up?

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Look, I had to bring this card with me, Samman,
so I could plug my stuff here because I can't
because I can't remember any of it.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It should have drew abs on you. You're looking a
little pudgy in that drawing.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Well no, see that wouldn't be realistic, a realistic rendition
what my body actually looks like. A Dude, you should
see me without pants on. It's even worse.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I haven't.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
I got a flatter ask for Franny right now? Had
back in my ass is good? Now? Oh now, it's
like God compared the way it was back in the day.
You can tell she's what. She works it out.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm working it out, all right. So we we have
to san podcast.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Yeah, at YouTube, at Saman podcast, Twitter, at e c
W Samn. No, that was TikTok at ECW Saman and
then at saman pod thunevery okay, there's more of it.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So we have we have nothing. We have stuff.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Man, Chris said something. Oh oh my god, this weekend.
It was horrifying. Now how Chris needs an assist it
when he's set and everything up, He does it all himself.
I flew into Cleveland. Then I had to drive five
out two hundred and seventy five miles with the worst
driver I've ever had in my entire life. It was

(53:29):
like this break but it was so horrible. Then I
go to a hotel. Nobody else is there. I don't know,
it's late. I'm bumming. The next day we have an
autograph signing and then I go in and came somebody
the first match, and then have to drive two hundred
and seventy five miles to wherever the Hall of Fame is,

(53:51):
the Football Hall of Fame, Dayton, Ohio. Then had to
do a show at entrance there, and then I had
to drive like one hundred miles to He wanted to
take my.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Flight to next Why on earth did he not just
fly you into the first that you had to do?

Speaker 6 (54:08):
He had too much, he did not. It's I mean,
it's his fault, but it's not his fault. More than
he could chew and he just but he's a great
guy and I love him, so I love him too.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
But when I take bookings. I approved the flights before they.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
He's the only one I don't no.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I I do with him too.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
I need to get my fight till like eight days before.
That's how. That's how onun organized he was.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
That's terrible. That's a long time in the court.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
I love you, Chris, though we do love it. Lose
some weight though. For your daughters. You gotta stay alive.
Right now, Chris, just say, look, everybody else calls a moose,
so if you listen.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
We were with a promoter who had a daughter that
was a little chunky and.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Dude, Actually, if it comes across my mind, I just
say it. I don't like.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
She's like, you know, this kid's really fat. She needs
to go and to diet.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
I'm like, yeah, the girl was like ten years old
and like a buck eighty.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I said, it's the promoter's daughter.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Please shut your mouth.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
We didn't even get paid yet. Just to quiet killing me.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
The best need we didn't even that's the first thing
she goes and says.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
She dabs me on the show them and shut up.
We haven't a pay yet.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Don't don't sabotage a little bit of a career that
I have left.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Please help me.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
We're going to be together.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Uh May thirty first, We're going to be in West
Virginia for the weekend. We got three shots that weekend?

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Bro, Wait is that the May first into the June first?
I canceled that. I cancel it. I did, why because
I want to do something with Frankie Edgar in the
m M A clean him met. I was on his
podcast and he's got a fight in New Jersey. That well,
he's going into the Hall of Fame, but his young

(56:10):
boy is fighting Tyler, my son's friend from high school.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
You're not coming with me that weekend?

Speaker 6 (56:17):
I don't think so. It's three shots it is, I know,
But well, all right, here's the deal. I want to
do it for for my social media because I could
be backstage with the m M. And he told me mm.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
He texted me the other one.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
I don't think I've ever seen speechless. Friends.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I'm so mad at you right now. Where is it
you said? I missed you so bad these last two weekends.
I need my travel companion.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Alright, I do, But I well, why don't you just
come to frank Jegar with us?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Because I got three shots? Then I'm getting paid huge
money for.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Oh, I am never talking to you again if you
don't come with me. I worked on our flights this
past weekend to get us the best flight.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Can I give you a Paul Hayman answer right now?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
That's a bullshit answer.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
I'm sorry, my phone's ringing right now.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Oh I'm sad. No, don't make me fly to West
Virginia alone. Two shots are for Moose and one shot
is the Big Beckley Show.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Yeah, I know, but well here's the thing. When I
mentioned ad the Moose, He's like, I got no problem.
I'm worried about that weekend for you.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I got a problem.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
I know what you do with you.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I'm telling you we're breaking up.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
If I'm gonna put some shade on you for right now,
right now that nowadays, I'm really mad at you.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
All right, thankye off my screen. You're not then for real?

Speaker 6 (58:01):
I don't know yet. I have to make the decision.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
It's three shots, it's a lot of money, and I'm
there and it'll be so fun.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
Let me talk to the Moves to see if it's still happening.
Because I just talked to him, I know, but he
acted like it was no problem. Me changing out of it.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
No, there's a problem.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
There's a problem. I'm gonna call you. I'm calling you.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Don't listen to his podcast unless he comes with me.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
May thirty first, all right, love you bye.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So mad at him. I'm so mad at him? What
an exit? Can you understand? Can I just tell you
I worked on these flights for two hours this past weekend.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
I believe you.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
So if they bought him a flight, were screwed. Oh
my god, I am so upset.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
He was here and now he's gone.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I'm so mad at him. That was the sin I am.
I just texted him, I am so mad at you.
He literally said to me, I missed you so much
this past week and I need blah blah blah. Well
there you go. What a great interview. Thank god I

(59:20):
mentioned that what if I didn't and then what if
I don't even know if they bought the ticket yet,
but what if they did, Well, there's gonna be problems.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
I just love when a couple of ecw A lums
get together and shoot the breeze.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
And I like, don't you love how he tells me
just come with me to the m M A thing.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, Like they're gonna pay me the money I would
have made for my free appearances.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Just go backstage and help you social media.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Everything will be great. That's great. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Well it was insightful, to say the least.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
We got a little deep deep out some stories that
made the cunning room floor. Yes, and he's not coming
to Beckley and I'm really upset.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
All I can say is this, uh, sex without condoms
in the nineteen eighties, okay, with big bushes, with big bushes. Okay, yeah,
Let's see what else did we get? What was very risky?
We got uh crucifixion uh in front of staunch Catholics. Okay,
that's very risky. We forgot to talk about him odan odine.

(01:00:33):
That's that's not good, you know, excessive drug use. What
else can I say? But this E C Dub Dub.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, but you know that's what you see. Dubs known
for violence in the drugs in the back. And not
all of us were drug addicts.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
I know, so like, you know, you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
No, but I know, but he survived that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
He did survive. Well that was my point. It was
like he did all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
This stupid stuff, but he's prevailed and now he's a
better person from it and listen. I don't condone his behavior,
the way he treated Lourie. I don't condone that. I
said that it's not funny, it's you know, abuse is
not a funny thing. But he's not that person.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I didn't know that person, you know what I mean.
I had no clue that that was even going on
because she was always around and she never made it known,
you know what I mean, So how was I supposed
to know it happened. I just know the guy that
he is today. He loves his kids, he loves his grandkids.
He's a good guy. He's changed. People change, so I

(01:01:43):
give him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
He even seems like more chilled out from when I
first met him, like eight years ago. Like he even
seems different from then, Like he just seems chilled.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Well, he is different because I used to tell him
like when we would do these conventions, he would leave
the table or he would stand there on his phone
and not even talk to people. And now he's talking
to the fans like he's very interactive and he's very personable.
He wasn't like that a long time ago, and I

(01:02:14):
used to tell him, like, people are not going to
book you anymore because you're anti social.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
This isn't good, you know. But now you can't get
him to shut up. Although he doesn't soult.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
A lot of people and I tell him, like, stop
insulting fans.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
He is the funniest to stand next to. Oh, have
people watch, because he does not hold back and he
lets it right and he is the funniest fucking guy
to just sit there and people watch with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
He's again, he's one of my dearest friends. And we
get along great and we have a great rapport with
each other, and we have fun on the road. And
that's why I'm really upset.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
About this Beckley thing because I don't want to go
by myself now. I mean, I'll meet Shane there and everything,
but just adding there is a pain in the ass.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
I told you it's it's it's that far a part
of West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Well, I had to do two flights. I had to
be into Huntington out of Buckley.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah, because I my son my first signings in Huntington
is it called yes And instead of flying into Beckley,
which there wasn't a flight, they said, oh, do one
you know two tickets? Do two one ways? I said, okay,
so that's what I did. I did them for both
of us. Anyway, Shane will be there, Brian Myers will

(01:03:39):
be there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
That's my little crew. I'll be fine. But it's just
I like having somebody with me traveling, you know, absolutely.
I don't like doing it by myself. But I'll put
my big girl panties on and get it done. Anyway. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
And I think I don't think there. I think they're
nectars too. I don't I think there's a stop. They're
not direct flights, which sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Man. West Virginia's a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Pain in the ass to get to. Anyway, enough of rambling.
That was a good one, So thank you to Hack
for coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And if you didn't watch it, go and watch Dark
Side of the Ring. It was a good one. I
think it was the best one. I guess I'm partial.
I'm partial because I do know him, but I that
was the one I enjoyed the most.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Very good.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
It's good when you're not just like it's like banging
your head against the wall afterwards, depressed, and you know,
like this one didn't there's silver lining at least then
when this one ended, you know, what I mean, like,
at least we're not like, oh my god, I can't
believe that this was the way it ended and this
is what was left. And no, he's alive. He's still

(01:05:00):
doing shows. People listen to his podcast. You know, he's
got some redemp shit like silver lining. Sam Man's still around.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
He's still alive and kicking. So there's that. But now
there's heat, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Is he a four timer?

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
By the way, is he?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I think he's a three timer?

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Okay, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I think this was the third you know, five timers
get a jacket.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Wow, we have a budget for that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
No, we don't have a budget for anything, which is terrible.
That's why you need to follow us on iHeart or
subscribe wherever you get your podcast and listen to us.
We're on twice a week now. We're on Tuesdays at
three oh one am and Thursdays at three oh one am.
So tell your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
If you're on socials and you see us tweet about it,
please retweet it to help spread the word.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
We really appreciate your help. And also YouTube. Our YouTube
is still growing. It's ecw diva Francine exclamation point over
on YouTube, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
You know it's free to subscribe. It's free to subscribe
everywhere or follow doesn't cost you a dime, so it
really helps me out if you would do so, and
we appreciate.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
The support.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Absolutely. Yeah, and don't forget at ECW Francceine podcast on
TikTok and also on Facebook. It is France Scene's Eyes
up Here podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
There you go, all right, And if they want to
follow you, where can they find you?

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
At Chat, E and B on x.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Okay across the born on social media, you can find
me at ECW Diva Franccene. I hope you are staying safe.
I hope you are staying healthy and most of all,
I hope you are staying extreme