April 30, 2024 • 55 mins
TNA's Lou D'Angeli, FKA Sign Guy Dudley joins "The Queen of Extreme" for today's Eyes Up Here. Lou gives Francine the low down on his return to wrestling following his awesome run with Cirque du Soleil how TNA is growing step by step.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey, everyone, this is the Queen of the Spring Prian
scene and you are listening to Ice up here on
the iHeartRadio network or wherever you get your podcasts. Usually
I have my co host Chad with me, but he
wasn't able to make it, so I found a replain kid.
You know him as sign Guy Zuglely. I know him
as Loud'angelie from Impact TNA Wrestling. Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I had not seen you, Louis. I have not seen you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I was trying to think because I saw you over
the weekend of WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I don't remember last time I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You, probably two thousand and one, like when we were
doing not the last ECW show, but remember we did
some like shows during the summer, like the Community Center
off South Street that year.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I remember that show.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That might be And we also did the Baseball Field
the reunion at the baseball Field when my top all
in Buffalo off my chains up broke in the ring.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yes, I remember the Buffalo show very well. We were
calling spots on the fly just to pop ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I think I gave you a Bronco buster and my
top was completely broken and that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Was Yeah, we did that that spot there and also
at the Community Center. We kept it going, man, we
kept it going, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We had a lot of reunion shows that year.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I only did that one, remember I stopped like I did.
I did did Buffer Low one. The community Center show
I don't think was reunion. I think it was just
you and me and Tommy and I forget who else
a c W maybe I remember?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I remember the Community Center. But now did you
not do them because you moved?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
No, I still live in Philly. For a lot of them,
and then I moved to Colorado. But no, mostly because
no one asked me to the couple that I being honest,
the couple that I was asked to do, because I
was asked for a few either didn't work out with
my schedule for like my job job, or just kind
(02:35):
of wasn't interested in it. But yeah, that was a couple.
I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The first
thing is not I didn't come because no one booked me.
And then the ones that was before I wasn't interested in.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So right, I've been there, we go.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I remember the rebirth of E CW with you in
w W E. So I got my fill of quote
reunion shows.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
See I call that the fake e C dub. That
was a very dark time. Yeah, it was definitely not
the No, it was the sh It was horrible. I
did not have a good time there.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
No, that was tough for a lot of people. I
mean I was happy. I mean me personally. I lasted
four years there because I was in the office do
in marketing. But I felt bad for all you guys. Man,
you didn't get much of a much of a shot,
if any shot.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I I told the story so many times.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It was like it was presented to me one way,
and then I got there.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
None of that happened, you know, all of.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Us, I think in one way. I mean even when,
like I was working for Comcast Spectacore in Philadelphia for
four years and they had WWE reached out to me
about coming back, and the initial idea was I thought
was pretty cool. It was you know, Shane was going
to run it. There was talk about using the ECW
arena as a weekly TV show location and all that
(03:54):
and like a hub. And I was, you know, I
lived in Philadelphia, so I was like, I was all
in on that. And I think about a week after
I signed my deal, to go there everything with the
opposite direction. So Shane wasn't involved, and I don't know
who was booking it at the time. I know who
was Paul or Tommy or whoever. But man, that went
sideways real fast.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah it did.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean, the only thing that I got out of
it were new friends that I need in the locker
room and being with like old friends.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But the experience was just horrible for me.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think it would be. Look, it was definitely tough
for again me personally, Like I had four months of
WWE c W and then I was put on the
fan Access stuff, which was awesome. For three and a
half years I produced that with the team there and
that was that was very fulfilling, and then eventually doing
some of the brand marketing for the pay per view events.
(04:49):
But again I go back to the initial plan of
what it was supposed to be, and you know, guys
like you and c Dub and Danny and Roadkill and
Guido and a lot of people and probably forgetting funny
thing about that ECW, which you probably don't know, is
they originally had me. They had a gimmick for me
that was going to be the office lou Dy' Angeli
(05:09):
and I was going to host the live events like
in the crowd and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Ow, No, I never heard that.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, I got Nicks like fairly fast. And you know,
it's funny, like I had never formally had a conversation
about it, like they had taught, like they mentioned it
to me, like oh, yeah, you can be like live
event host and you know, and you can do all
the marketing stuff as well, because you know there's crossover there.
And I was like, okay, I never heard another word
about it. And then like booking sheets came out and
at the top I still have this somewhere at the
(05:36):
top of the booking sheet, it's like host lou Dy Angeli.
And then like two days later the booking sheets re
came out and there was no host loud angel anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I used to love when I would look at the
sheet on the wall and like my name would be
on there, and then I'd walked by five minutes later
and it'd be crossed out. I'm like, yes, this is great.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It was really interesting. You know now that you know,
Nick Nameth is with us now and she and him
and I have had a lot of conversations about WWE life,
and it's like, I don't think people truly understand like
how quickly things change. I mean, he was telling me
a story about he was booked, Like he wasn't telling
me a story story was on Busted Open. But then
(06:15):
him and I had the conversation because I wanted him
to like share with people like this really happens. Like
one night he's getting a call that he's in a
twenty man battle Royal that he's winning, and then he's
going thirty five minutes with Roman Reigns, and then the
booking sheet comes out and he's in a prelm. I'm
like heat or something like that, doing a five minute
job to Kevin Owens. It's just like it's so sporadic,
(06:36):
and that's at a major level, right, So yeah, I
don't think people get it. Man, It's crazy and it makes.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You wonder too, like do you have heat with anyone there?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Like what is the deal? Because I didn't. I really
didn't have heat, like as far as I know, Like
my heat was I was told by Johnny Ace my
heat is because I kept to myself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I didn't politic.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I mean I was called to that office so many
times and you're like paint drawing, you don't do anything,
you don't politic, and I'm like, I never politiced in
my life, Like wherever one.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Of the goal is not to politic and usually it's
like should get rewarded. That's that's strange. That's a strange answer.
I think a lot of it too, I think, honestly.
I mean, they tried to get everybody they could and
you know, back from the originals, and I don't know
if they actually I don't know what the plan was again.
I know initially was supposed to be and I think
once everything settled, they changed everything. It was more about
(07:37):
like how can we get new guys over using the
old ECW talent kind of thing, and then it just
there was no ECW talent at one point. You know,
it's a couple of guys. It was a crazy four months.
So I remember those house shows. I remember the boys
asking me why there was nobody in the crowd and
me telling them that because I had a five hundred
dollars marketing budget and it was some pretty awkward conversations
(07:58):
with some of the guys. What's that. Yeah, yeah, I
remember very you know, it's it's I remember one night
in Huntington, West Virginia. It was the building we had
done for ECW and then now we were there for
ec or wwec W and and Big Show and Van
Dam was the main event. I think there was four
hundred people in like a five or six thousand seed arena,
(08:20):
might be even more than that. I remember they both
came up to me and it's just like, all right,
what do you do here? So I always told the truth.
So I didn't like work anybody and say, oh it's
this is nice. It's like, we don't have much of
an ad budget. And in this day and age, even
then whenever that was, you know, in two thousand and
what was it, six seven, it's like five hundred dollars
is nothing, so you basically print posters hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Did we have a street team?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean we would do like a street team
and then like beg radio people to talk to us.
So yeah, well it was tough.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That shows you how much they cared about us. There
was there was like nothing, you know what I mean.
And that's that was a frustration on talent side, because
we saw the way, you know, the way we were
treated and the way that it was just like, you know,
I remember one night I was stuck doing the stupid
bikini stuff, which I hate. It was so hard, so horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I hated it.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Nothing against the girls, but I never had to do
that ship for Paul, you know. And now I'm thirty
four years old and they're making me do it with
a nineteen year old. It was just stupid, you know.
And I remember I was in uh, I was in
my dressing room and Teddy Biassi was one of the
agents for US, and he comes in and he goes, yeah,
you're not working tonight, but you probably don't care anyway,
(09:41):
and he walked out.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I just looked at him and.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I was just like, what, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It was telling me it was like nobody gave two
ships about any of us. I was just like, okay,
So I got changed and I sat down and that
was that.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know what's funny it is now it's like, all
these years later, I think ECW gets more love from
WWE than they have ever now. And I say that
because of like Paul's Hall of Fame thing, all the
specials done on the network. I mean, I've done countless
ECW things you know, top fifty extreme moments. I'm just
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trying to think of some of the things I was
involved in. There's a lot, so it's like, all of
a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah it was. It was
really awesome, which is cool it keeps it in the conversation.
But that experiment was very bad. Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It was not good.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Let's go back to better times.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
When we had fun.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Minutes ago before we started.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Talking about the fake EC Doug, give me a random story.
I always ask my guest, give me a random story
of being on the road, something that pops out in
your head that I might or might not know. I
had Chris Chetty on and he told a fantastic story
(11:05):
that I never even heard about him in a bar
after hours fighting with an n W A legend, asking him,
who'd you ever be? And here it was Larry Larry's abisco. Seriously,
the funniest story ever. He's just like cursing at him
(11:26):
and the boys had to drag him out of the
bar because.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was did he not no?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Because remember Chris didn't know anything about wrestling when he
started and has kind of forced him into the business,
so he didn't know anybody from the last he didn't
know current wrestlers, like, he didn't watch it. And they
sat down at this table and he was across from Larry,
and Larry was like, you know, e c W is
(11:51):
nothing but you know shitty wrestlers and this, that and
the other.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And Chris manned up to him and was like, who
do you ever be?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Blah blah blah. It was Larry.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So it was great.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's funny, I think. Man, I'm not I'm horrible with
stories off the cuff. I'm really good. If you remind
me of something.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I told you an hour that's.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
An hour ago that there's a lot of there's a
lot of time within there.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Okay, do you remember, I'll throw you one. Do you
remember the tornado?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Oh in Saint Charles, I do. Were you in the
car with me and Jack?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I was in the car with Tommy.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Okay, so that story I do remember because I had
personally never been in a tornado and you.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Were like practically crying.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, I'll tell you my version of that. I don't
know if I was crying, but I was. I remember,
and tell me if I'm if I'm wrong here, But
I remember Jack and I were driving and we went
we were in a Windy's and we're in the drive
through and whatever and our food and all of a sudden,
these like sirens start going off, and I go to Jack.
(13:04):
I was like, what's this and he's like, uh, I
took it to hurricane. And the lady at the Wendy's
like opens the drive through window literally throws our food
at us in the car. We don't pay. She shuts
the window. She's like, get cover boom. So I'm like,
holy freaking Like, I'm freaking out. So Jack, we drive
to the hotel. Was this when we saw you? We
(13:24):
drove to the hotel and we covered. We went under
the stairs of like the second floor to hide, which
I don't know is the right idea or not. I
was fairly freaked out about that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
What were you? Was I there with you for that one?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, Tommy and I were in targeting, Yeah, either Target
or a Walmart, and the sirens went off and I.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And he grabbed my arm and he goes, it's a
tornado and he starts pulling through the store.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Everybody just starts running.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We got in the car and I remember you. Corrino.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, Sea dub right, Sea Dub there.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah. Somehow we all found each other.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Because Corrino, I don't know if he was rooming with
you or not, but his room was on the first
floor and they told us not to get on the elevator.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, that's why I was under some stairs somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, so we all go in the room, and I'll
never forget it. You guys had pizza, old pizza on
your bed, and all of you were like, oh my god,
we got to call our moms.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We're gonna die. We're all gonna die. And I was like,
no one's gonna die. Relax.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So Tommy drags me into a bathroom and he goes,
this is the safest place. We have to stay in
the bathroom, call your mother. I go, I am not
calling my mother. She is going to freak out.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
You're Doomsday. It's so doomsday. It's like it's over, it's over.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You were all calling your mom's and I did not.
I went back to your room and I sat on
in that bed while you were all in the bathroom,
and I ate a piece of pizza, and I was
watching TV and I saw the tornado touchdown outside your
hotel room.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Oh my gosh, yeah, I don't remember that level of detail.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We were all crying in the bathroom, like, oh crying, crying,
calling your mom's and I was.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I mean, that's that's I remember that one pretty well.
That was my That was my first tornado experience. I
think I also drove drove through one once, but that
was post e C dub so it doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Wasn't Jeff Jones stuck under her bridges?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I think somebody was. There was a whole bunch of us.
It was like, where were you when this tornado hitting
Saint Charles? And why are you all? A bunch of
marks were still talking about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I literally saw it touchdown outside the window.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. All right, Well that's
you know, most of my stories are built around like
just things I saw. I mean, I did the this
is eight years ago, I think, but I did the
Top five Extreme Moments WWE DVD, and they were they
couldn't believe I remembered every single moment and like where
I was and what was happening, very very random, And
(16:12):
that's that's where I'm you know, I remember those things
really well, driving around and all the stuff we do.
I mean, we've done someone, We've done a lot of
poop pranks on CW. That's always the go to.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We did, remember the brownie one.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
The brownie story is told like every every time I
see anybody, very simply, and I'm sure it's been told before,
and I'm gonna pg this is best I can for
the sake of it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Before you say it, let me just tell you the
brownie was mine, and I was pissed off that I
couldn't need it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Wasn't it a matter x par No, it was my
brown It was an actual brownie. So I have a
picture that I found. I should have brought it, but
it's downstairs. I have a picture of me and said
brownie holding the brownie. You do not, I swear, yeah
it was. I found these two pictures randomly the other day.
(17:06):
It was one of like me and Mikey Whitbreck and
then one of me and the brownie and the brownies
like this, And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Was it before or after?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
After?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I'm all right, now you have to tell the story, because.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, we're in Green Bay Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Remember where we were.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I have a strange memory. I remember lots of random things.
We were in Green Bay, Wisconsin. There was a huge snowstorm.
A lot of the boys relate to the show, if
they even made it to the show. And somewhere along
the way it was c W was gonna wrestle Tommy,
and we were bored, and I think it was me,
(17:46):
you and Tommy or Tommy and me, and we pulled
you in and we pulled some people from the locker
room and say we're gonna we're gonna rip c W
and try to make him throw.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He would dig yeah, and the and the and the
rib with it with him as if you can make
him like that's the goal, make him throw up. Right,
It's like really really cool, like adult stuff we're doing here,
trying to make a guy throw up just for our own,
our own pleasure. So the deal was we would do
c W would have his match with Tommy, and he did.
And at one point in the match, CW gives Tommy
(18:16):
a spinebuster on the ladder and Tommy rolls out, you know,
rolls over, selling his back but also saying to the
ref and CW, I'm hurt. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. And
so they go home and so CW's freaking out because
he thinks he hurt Tommy now. And then Tommy comes
to the back selling and he sells and I remember
(18:38):
that goes through the curtain. There's like a little hallway
down to these like locker rooms where the turd pictures from.
And Tommy like goes in there and he falls on
the floor like selling his back and what's that? Oh yeah,
he's just dyeing. And somewhere along there, you slip them
what I thought was metrics bar, but it turns out
(18:58):
to be a real brownie. You slip them the brownie.
Tommy then proceeds to put it in his pants, and
when CW the back of his pants and CW walks in,
he's freaking out, and Tommy starts going, I think I
cracked myself. I think I cracked myself. He goes, franccene,
can you can you check? Can you check? And now
(19:18):
CW is starting to do check.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't know what's that check this?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, it's just like but you at that point, you know,
it's like, why would anybody check? I don't need I
know you don't need to check it. And so so
CW starts getting the hebgb's a little bit. He starts
doing the like the gang, and but he's still really concerns.
He thinks Tommy's hurt. And then you pull a gimmick
brownie out of Tommy's pants. As to day, Oh my god,
(19:45):
you did. CW turns throws up. And what everybody missed
in the course of that is I had fake throw
up in an airplane bag that I also threw against
the wall to make it even worse for CW. He
was I heard the same that. That to me was
pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That's an easy what's that throw up?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It was? It was like, how can we make it
even worse? We'll do with that. That's a trigger. This
guy's trigger is like all disgusting things, and here we're
just gonna throw it all at him for our amusement.
I remember driving back with him that night. I don't
think he spoke to me.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Now, do you guys do this in the TNA locker room?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, No, there's rib I mean there's there's fun things
we do with each other like it's it's I mean, no,
not like that, but no, no reason we really don't.
There's just there's little things we do to pop each other.
They're not elaborate ribs because TNA doesn't travel like we
don't have these two hundred and fifty mile drives between
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each shows and all that where you can orchestrate thing.
I mean, we could orchestraight things whenever. But the short answers, no,
we do have a great time together though.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right. For those who don't know, Lou New works for TNA,
what is your title there.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I'm the vice president of Marketing for Anthem Sports and Entertainment,
so the company that owned TNA Wrestling. My main focus
is indeed TNA Wrestling, and I've been there for just
over two years now. I've had a great return in
the wrestling business. It's been you know, to be honest
(21:22):
with you, I always thought i'd try or maybe would
get back in, but it was really important that I
was around with my kids. I have two daughters now
fifteen and eighteen, which blows my mind. But I always thought,
like when they're older, like I would love to get
back into pro wrestling. And it just happened like two
years ago. Anthem reached out to me. We had a
really good conversation, and I started as a consultant. And
(21:44):
I'll tell you and everybody in TNA knows this, but
you know, I went to the first show, which was
happened to be at the twenty three hundred Arena, of
all places, I didn't feel like I really fit in
at all. I felt like I was completely so disconnected
from wrestling because for eleven years I worked at or
disil A, so I was vice president of marketing and
PR there. I didn't, you know, and I know a
lot of people say this, but I didn't watch a
(22:05):
lot of wrestling, and I didn't really stay in touch.
And the only things I would watch were if one
of my buddies was on TV and he texted me
and he said, like, I'm gonna do this segment, or
make sure you watch this, or if it's one of
my buddies, And that's kind of what it was. So
when I went to Philadelphia, I knew Tommy Rhino, Lance,
Brian Myers, and Matt Cardona, and I knew nobody else
(22:27):
in the TNA locker room. And it was really weird
because when they brought me in, they didn't really tell
anybody why I was there, So that day, I was
just like walking around aimlessly, and I remember calling my
wife about an hour after I got to the arena
and I was like, I don't know if this is
going to work out. I'm not feeling it. And it
was a lot of different feelings for me and the
fact that one I didn't know anybody, so that's that's
(22:49):
you know, you get over that. But two, I just
didn't know if this was the time right. So we
did the Philly shows and then two weeks later we
had shows in Poughkeepsie mid Hudson six Center also where
we did shows at Love that Building, and I remember,
and honestly, I emailed them and I said, you guys
really need me there, Like do I have to come?
Like I don't have anything to do, because I didn't
have anything to do at the shows at that time.
(23:11):
And the response was like, well, dude, like we'd like
you to like get familiar with like the crew and everything.
And then I was like, yeah, you're right, I was
just being negative. So I went and sure enough, after
the second show and Poughkeepsie, I was like, I get it.
I get what impact at the time is trying to do.
I want to be part of it something just like
something just clicked. And then after Poughkeepsie picked up and
(23:33):
I was a lot more involved in a lot of
different things, and then I was offered a full time
job that summer that I gladly accepted. And now looking
back on it, like if I had bailed two and
a half years ago, I would have been that would
have been a big mistake, because I think some of
the best times I've had in wrestling are actually happening
right now, just from having a different view on it,
having a different position in the company than what I've
done in past companies, but also just seeing like we
(23:56):
talk about locker rooms and we don't like crucify it.
We don't like crucify each other with ribs, but we
have a great time together and we mess around and
you do the fun things. But this is probably as
close as it could get to anything like and it's
it's so different than e c W. In a way,
I was gonna say it's as close as you could
get to that locker room, but in reality, it's just
two different worlds. Like ECW had a great locker room,
(24:17):
t and A has a great locker room. They're all
different reasons why but I think at the end of
the day that one thing that brings it together is
the drive of everybody to try to make the best
it can be, and you know, always represent the product
in a really proud way. So it's turned out to
be pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know. A couple of years ago I did, I
think it was.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, and Brian Myers had.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
A party right in his room, and Shane was like,
you know, we're we're gonna go to dinner and then
we'll go.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Up to Brian Myers room.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And I was like, oh, no, I think pretty long
with the young kid probably, I mean, we're not, We're not.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
That was half my thing too. I mean, you know,
I know about your party because Myers texting me because
you thought it was so cool that he was hanging
out with me with chance.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh he inlighted us, and so I said, you know what,
let's give it a go. Let's go up. So I did.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So we went up there and I'll tell you what
I met the whole locker room. Because the whole locker
room came into his room. They were thirty people. I
said to myself, like you I'm going to be uncomfortable.
I know I am. I wasn't in the loop. I
mean about ninety nine percent who walked in if I
(25:37):
didn't know them. They came and shook my hand, yeah,
and sat down and were talking to me and drinking,
and we were all drinking and having a good time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And I said, my god, if I had to pick
one locker.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Room to return, not that I'm returning anywhere, but I'm
just saying, if I had to pick somewhere to work,
I would this company because everybody was so nice and
like down to earth, and the girls cool, and there
was like no you could tell, there was just no
cattiness going on and I love that, and everybody was
getting along and it was just a fun night, you
know what I mean. And I was just like, damn,
(26:11):
I like these people, like they're good people. I could
just tell. I got that vibe, you know what I mean.
So now we do these conventions, I go hang with them.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like the last weekend, And
that's that's what I mean. I mean, I think initially
I wasn't giving it enough of a chance, and then
when I did, and like you see, those hangs are awesome.
I mean, there's a good group of people that it's
not clickie, but everybody has their people they hang out with,
and that group of people is just a lot of
fun and super respectful and the stories and everything we
(26:43):
talk about, and but also it's just it's just what
I consider a safe place. I mean, a lot of
those a lot of things or whatever don't find the
way on the net, which is good. Yeah, but that
is one thing I would I would say about teenage
locker room for sure. I mean there's a handful of
guys there that we got really close, you know, pretty quick.
But because we've seen a lot of different things together,
we are also fighting for the same cause. And you know,
everyone communicates and talks, you know, it's not like this.
(27:05):
You know, there's always silos in certain areas, and that's
any company, not just a wrestling company, but everyone's usually
working together to figure things out, throw ideas out. A
lot of the ideas that are talked about from the
from the crew with me or from a marketing standpoint
or with our creative guys like at least or listened
to and may even happen. So I think a lot
of people see those things come to fruition, which does
(27:25):
make it a difference. You actually do have impact, you know,
no pun intended impact. Well, sorry, influence, you've also had influence.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The kid with the glasses should know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
That was so I heard that story found its way
on here is that I had to tell that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, I told that story, right, lou Is the kid
with the glasses. If you didn't listen to it, go
back and listen. I told the story.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was the peacemaker that night. There is, yeah, there is.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And you weren't even that like for I weren't do
anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I felt like I think you were just like listen, bro,
we're just hanging out having a good time.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Look what happened was We're all sitting at the table
and Nick sitting with us, and everybody in that bar
was bothering Nick, like to the point of like Nick's
a great guy, he'll do anything. But it came to
a point like you could just see It's like every
time the dude like went anywhere, we got a picture?
Can we get a picture? Can we get a picture?
And this one guy comes over and he was just
(28:25):
some of the things that I won't repeat here. We're
just so disrespectful of what he said. Said to Nick,
and Nick was like, huh, I'm just like, bro, can
you just leave like a good time?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know what he says to me, He goes, I'm
not really a fan, and I go, if you're not
a fan, they'd stop bothering us.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Is because of the things he said to Nick, I
knew he knew wrestling. And then then he tried to
come back and talk to John Morrison. John and I
are buddies from back in the day and tie in everyone,
and so it was the same thing I sold John.
I was like, watch this, dude. And then that's when
I was the kid with the glasses. I wasn't trying
to start trip, was simply trying to like create some space. So, yeah,
stop getting bothered.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well I think I eliminated.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, you took him off and had a good
talking to him.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I did, and I prevented a big war in a fight,
and I was very proud.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Of my not a thought I won't let it get
that far. But I mean, I think, you know, it's
when you're in the public eye like Nick is, and
you are and those guys in that moment, it's going
to go further. If Nick retaliates versus if I say
something glasses verse.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, I just like the kids with the gas.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I'm happy you called me a kid. I'm fifty one, so.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ask you a question and don't take offense because I
was match number two when uh the reunion show that
just pissed.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Did you come out with the Dougleys that night?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, ring, why not?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I mean, no one ever asked me too, You're kidding me.
Bubba asked me. And when I literally walked in the building,
He's like, I, I don't know. I told Bubba i'd
see him there, but yeah, no, I mean, look, I
don't I don't take offense or I don't I don't
worry about any of that stuff. At the end of
the day, it's like I was really happy to be
(30:13):
part of the Dudley's. The Dudleys are Bubba and Demon
and you know I was a part of inn ECW.
Their legacy is much bigger than the ECW of things
I wasn't a part of. And yeah, it would have
been fine, But at the same time, it's like people
want to they want to see those two guys, and
if I was asked, like if it had been something
I had been talked about, probably, But when you're walking
like literally in and I was just coming with Myers
(30:35):
and everybody to watch the show, it was kind of
off the cuffin whatever. It's totally fun.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Though, yeah, because I you know, like I said, we
were number two, they were number one because they went
to the Hall of Teme and I when I saw
you there, I said, Oh, he's coming back to like
go out with Bubba and Difon.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's so cool. But you weren't dressed. You were like
dressed like normal.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Well that was one of the reasons when Bubba did
ask me, and I was like, I'm not even liked
for this right now. It's like I'm dressed in a
nine inch nails hoodie and a hat.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And you know, I wanted to though, just if you
had a tie die shirt and a pair of glasses?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Would you have went out there?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
If I had known prior and it had been set up? Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
When's the last time you you worked, like literally worked.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Twenty twelve with Billy Corgan's Resistance Pro stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh okay, yeah, so I.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Did that for What's up?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Do you ever get the urge to get back in
the ring?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Nah, I really don't. It's so different for me right now.
I just I would do it once if I feel
like that that windows passed. And the reason I say
that is the Dudley's did something in White Planes with
us and then they did that show, And it's just
like the window for me is like if they if
there was a time we were going to do it,
and do it once and do it properly, I'd be
all in about it. But I don't want it to
(31:52):
be like a last minute thing. Look, I'm not the guy.
I'm not the big draw. It's like, holy shit, signed Dudley's.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's more than like abody stop. You were a part
of that crew, right, So if if for nostalgia reasons,
if a show came up and everybody was there, would
you consider doing it?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Just okay, that's that's all because I can offline really okay, No,
because like with me, like in my mentality, I always
tell Shane because I talked.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I must talk to Shane for four to five times.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
A week every week, like we're very close, you know,
And and we tried to get booked a lot together
because people like to see us together.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Right, It makes complete sense.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It does until they book us separately and then put
him three rows away from me, which makes no sense whatsoever.
But that's I'm yeah, they're so ridiculous. But like in
my mind, I'm just like, do people really want to
see a fifty two year old woman.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Accompany this guy at ringside?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like That's what I say to myself, And then once
I get out there, I'm like, I can, I can
kind of still do this like you guys are.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think it's a little different with you guys because
you guys were so attached and yes I was a Dudley,
but you guys were. You two are synonymous rights that
just is Bubb and Devon are too, and then there's
the layers after Bubba and Devon, And that's just always
how I've seen it. I've never ever once taken offense.
I've never really thought about it. I mean, I talked
(33:30):
to Bubb and now I think more than you know,
we talked every day when we work together. But now
it's just different. We just have a different relationship. It's
a fantastic relationship, but it's not really built out around wrestling.
Were the dumblies actually? So I'm happy for those two guys.
I think they've absolutely crushed it. Definitely made a statement.
Happy to have been part of it. You never say never.
(33:51):
I think maybe there's one one day that you can
get everybody back and just knock it out and that'll
be it. But we'll see. My daughter, my fifteen year old,
asked me constantly, you gotta get back.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Do your kids watch wrestling?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
My oldest doesn't. She only like will text me to
show her friends, like, what was your wrestling name again?
I got Dudley Louis Dangerously But now I'm at the
point now when she texts me that I just sent
her this video I have that's on YouTube, I was like,
here's everything you want to see. Someone put this video
of me just getting killed here here at all. And
then Emery, my youngest, got into it was a two thousand.
(34:30):
I guess when Becky and Sasha and Charlotte and Bailey
all start having those really big matches and I'd be
watching them. That was one time I was watching wrestling
because I was fully like floored of how awesome all
that was. And then she would see, like she really
start liking Sasha a lot. And then they came here
for a show and I brought her backstage and Devon
(34:52):
set up for her to meet Sasha. She had such
a great experience. Sasha gave her all these things, sent
her a bunch of gifts, and that resonated with her.
So now she watches wrestling. She only watches the women.
Her favorites are still like in in uh In Tna,
Rosemary the Demon or Courtney Rush is her favorite wrestler.
She does like some of the guys now too, us
(35:13):
I guess as you get older. But yeah, and she
loves she loves Masha also, and she loves Giselle also.
So it's just like all these very interesting people that
I personally have gotten to know that I think are
really cool. But yeah, it started. So the short answer,
she doesn't watch it religiously, but she definitely watches it,
like when those people are performing, or when Sasha is
(35:34):
doing something in a w or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's interesting because my kids zero, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I mean they're not like it's it's funny. I would
keep all this ECW stuff. I'll be like, I'll give
it to my kids. I'll give it to my kids,
Like my kids want nothing to do with it. The
only thing that that that Emery has that's my youngest.
That she really likes is she has the first tie
Die Dudley shirt I ever wore a signed guy and
that's it. And he has a pair of Bubba's glasses
(36:01):
that he gave her at a WWE show. And she
had a ship ton of autograph stuff from TNA and
from Sasha but not U. That's it, but it's cool.
It's cool. So she's kind of like one toe in
the water.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But yeah, like we don't want well, my husband and
I will watch a little bit here and there, Like
we literally just watched the TNA pay per view from.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Las Vegas Rebellion. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I watched Rebellion and listen, I don't watch. Yeah,
so I watched it from start to finish. I will
say I loved the show. The packages are so good,
the packages rival WWE.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I agree, thank you good. We have an amazing creative group.
There's a guy named Eric Tompkins who works in our
Nashville office, and there's a guy named George Barbosa. And
between all these guys, like what they put together with
their teams. I'm not going to rattle through everyone's names,
but they're the guys kind of in charge and man,
(37:02):
they just crush it. Like Eric does such a good
job with those packages and they're so thoughtful and like
I've been with him, watching him like with a creative process.
I had nothing to do with it of just observing
and how what he puts him to like you know,
process and thought and time, but also how he engages
people around him to be like, hey, what do you
think or can we do this? Like it's very collaborative
(37:24):
and but what he puts out is great and I
appreciate you saying that for him.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Let me tell you, I was so impressed with the
way you you guys opened it with the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I thought it was so clever. How you know, he
was in the front and then he became in the
back and just just really good, I will say. And
I you know, I'm not the only one who said this.
The one thing that disappointed me were the fans. The crowd.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, I couldn't understand the action was so good in
the ring. Yeah the crowd was dead.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, it's strange. And Vegas. From living here for so
long and promoting probably eight to ten TNA shows in
my time here, Vegas is a very quiet crowd.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, like that very kind of And then I said
to myself, man, they need more managers at ringside to
the crowd up range because.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
The next night in Vegas, we did our TV tapings
and they were like way louder than again, yeah, the
way we do it if usually do a live show
one night and then tape t two episodes of TV
the next night, or we do a weekend where we
do four episodes over two nights, and the TV night
in Vegas was they were super super loud, like from
(38:47):
the get go all the way through, and we're all like,
we get still puzzled by that because it's like TV
shows are great. TV tapings are great, but the live
shows the payoff, right, you know all the matches going
in TV. You don't know everything that's happening, and right, yeah,
and that's not knocking Vegas. I love Vegas. I love
it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, Like I love the way the building looked like yeah,
yeah there, And I was like, I was excited to
watch it because this was the first pay per view.
I literally sat down and watched in like a really
long time. I was digging it, but I was I
was legit pissed off at the people. I was like,
what is going on? Like they popped for a little
(39:26):
like the thumb tacks and little things, but overall it
was just flat. And I'm just like me And if
I was there, I would have been banging on that
mad I would.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Have been turning around cursing if people had to bring
them up like that.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I don't understand. The action was so good and the
guys and girls were working so hard. It pisses me
off that it was so quiet in there at certain points.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I agree it's tough, you know, because you know, you
know from being in that spot, and I've been in
that spot too. The crowd reactions kind of what we're
going for. Yeah, and it's like it was. It was
very very quiet, And again second night was great. But
I've seen this in other markets too, where it's for
some reason one show resonates differently over the other, just
(40:11):
on who's in the crowd, you know. Yeah, whatever, it
was on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, everyone was raging
instead of Saturday afternoon in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, it was a great show. I think everybody, you know,
everybody looked great on at the angles. I loved I
just I was really into it like, and that says
a lot because I haven't watched wrestling in like a
really long time. I'm trying to slowly get back into
it a little more because of this. Yeah, talk about
it more, you know, more wrestling and stuff. But I
enjoyed it, so good job for everybody involved.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, and I'll share that with everybody. The one the
one thing that I've been thoroughly like, not just impressed with,
but really stand behind when people ask us or ask
me about like, how are we different? I do think
our storylines, as to what you said, are really what
we pride ourselves on. And then they're not. It's not
really shotgun booking. It's very much like a person as
(41:05):
a start person as an ARC has a finish like whatever,
how it blows off and goes into the next thing.
And they're really well laid out. And I think because
of that, you know, you're able to vest yourself in characters.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You're not rushing it, and that's not rushing it. You
can start down and make people want to be invested
in it and want to watch every week. And that's
what I like about it.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah, and then we take the time to build people.
When we take the time, Like right now, you know,
the system is our top heeled group, and that's an evolution.
I think it's awesome and they're all one thing. They're
all really good guys and girls and that that's what helps.
But also what they're doing is like it's legitimately getting heat.
It's like making people upset and it's they're getting booze
and it's like you're not trying to force it, it's
(41:49):
actually happening, you know, So you develop that a little
bit more. And what we're doing with like the knockouts,
I think our women are unbelievable and the emphasis that
we put on into that is makes me really proud too,
because it's women's wrestling. I think as a whole, it's
obviously a lot better in general than when what it
was because of just the things you said you were
(42:10):
asked to do back in the day that we wouldn't
even really think about anymore. And that's cool to showcase that.
But yeah, I mean, look, we're not sitting here trying
to like, oh, we're gonna blow w W out of
the water and this and that. Like we have a niche.
We know that, and I think our niche has a
lot of a lot of good support, a lot of
really good wrestling, a lot of really good storytelling. Yeah,
(42:31):
and that's a good place to own.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I had a lish on yeah, and I was telling her,
I see a little bit of the triple thread in
the system.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Ah, that's a really good point. That's a really good point.
And is your biggest fan so modern a.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Modern day yeah, modern day version. I love the system
and I love I love that she's out there at ringside.
And that's what I was telling her, because she basically
was saying she enjoys managing more than like the wrestling aspects. Yeah,
like being at ringside. And I was like, we need
those female managers out there, so do your thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
She's oh, I agree, I think uh.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Beautiful, And she's getting the job done. She's drawing the heat.
And I just like when I was when when Brian
and and Eddie came out and they were holding.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Up the belts.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I flashed back to like Bido and Land and then
Shane with the belt. At one point, I was just like,
I just a little bit, I see No.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I mean, that's that's a really good example. That's a
really good I'm sorry comparison. I think you know. One
thing I'll say, Brian, you know, I definitely love Shane
and you, so there, maybe I have to ask him.
I almost want to text him right the second. I won't.
But the one thing I'll say about Edward.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're like they're Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I'm totally going to bury you to him. I'm totally
going to be like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Podcast I do see Little I do too.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I get totally get your name.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
It's so cool because.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's the twenty twenty four version and I'm a huge
fan of them, Like I told you at the pay
per view the promo that they did and then like
I love I love Heels. I just love Heels total
it's the best. So I'm a big fan of tn A.
I am going to come and see you guys because
I'm booked for Restle Kid. So in November, Yeah, guys,
(44:26):
have a show and we're in.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Philadelphia and the June too, if you want to hang
out that.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Night, I'm booked.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Okay, somebody else one more thing before before we got off.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're not going yet, but what is the date for
the Philly show? Is at the twenty sixth or something,
I think.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
It's twenty eight twenty nine of June.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But yeah, I'm I'm booked, or else I would have
I would have made it there.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
I'm away, I'm looking right now. Why I'm looking. I
wanted to say something that you mentioned Alicia Edwards and
Philadelphia's twenty eight twenty nine of June year enough, okay,
well that you won't be there and then but Liz
will be there. You know. He's a really good example
of When I first started, there were a couple of
people who came to me and said, we have these ideas,
(45:12):
you know, and we'd like to see some of these
ideas happen, and we're trying to get these ideas done.
And she was one of them who came with, like,
this is a whole kind of like idea on social
media and you know, and not not as much with
like things that are trending, but making sure our presence
is better. And she came with ideas for the content
as well. And we've made all that happen in two years.
And it's a good example of the TNA locker room.
(45:34):
And it's hern has a bunch of other people as well,
Cody Diner, Tom Hanifan, like a lot of the other
guys that are not you know, they're just like and
that's where its similar to ECW like you see them
in Ring, but they have all these other things they
kind of do. Liz helps produce content. She produces like
our theme months and you know, right now we're working
on mental health awareness and things like that, and I
(45:55):
think it's really good to have someone that has that.
You know, I'm soo in the day to day. A
lot of us are day to day of running and
working live events and doing all this stuff, and she's
trying of thinking down the line a bigger picture. But
it's a good example of how a lot of our
guys get involved.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I'd love that. That's great.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
And I can't believe I just put her over because
I usually try to bury her as much as possible.
She's awesome, but it doesn't I know she's going to
watch it, and I want her to hear that I
buried her.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You didn't bury you put her over, but then I
buried her.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
At the end.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh okay, Well that's fine. We kind of canceled each
other out though it's neutral.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Now, where can people find you? What do you want
to plug do? You have any socials you want to
plug or anything for TNA coming up. This will air
next Tuesday, So anything after next Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, I mean I would direct everybody to TNA Wrestling
dot Com. On Twitter, It's this is TNA on are
now X, on ex Twitter, this is CNA on Instagram,
It's TNA Wrestling. But that's where everything is. And with
this air date, that means we are talking about Albany
(47:06):
this Friday and Saturday night. Friday night will be under
siege at the Washington Street Armory and Saturday night will
be a TV taping in Albany.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's this weekend coming up.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
If this is airing a week from today, yeah, this weekend?
All right?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
So do you want to plug your socials?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Lou Underscore, Das and dog A and E E. L
I is Instagram and L d Angeli is ex Twitter,
Twitter X all right, And I don't have my web
TV email that you have anymore, but I.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Was gonna, yeah, I was going to send you something.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
On web t eighty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Hey man, you who invented online poker.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Apparently you know what would be fun if we were
all in the same location and we can play poker.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Here's a website that me and my buddies use that
you can just start a game. People could just sign
in and you can play. And you just said a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I want to play at a table like with real Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Yeah, Hey, I'm just trying to hear me. I'm trying
my best.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You played with phil Ivy, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Was it phil Ivy or I've.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Never played with phil Ivey. I've played at tables with
John Raisner, Andy Duke.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
No, who was the one you played with that you
called me and you were freaking out over Daniel Mgrano
Probably was it Daniel.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I never played at a table with phil Ivy. That
would be sick.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I thought it was on line.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I thought you played with with Oh.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That yeah, okay, that's that was a long time ago,
and that was it was phil Ivey. It was poker, Okay.
I always think of in person for me.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, no, I'm talking about I remember when you played
with him and you lost your you literally lost your ship.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, I have a screenshot of that because I couldn't like, Yes,
that was full till Poker before Black Friday. I think
it was two thousand and ten or eleven, So I
just moved to Vegas, and I actually was playing I
had gone back to Philadelphia for something. I was playing
online poker in Philadelphia on full tilt and played at
a table. That's correct. Thanks for reminding me of myself.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I knew it was phil Ivy.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Now you can't tell me it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
But you've played with all these other people in Vegas live.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Is it just like you you go into a casino
and you sign up for like one of the tournaments
or was it like the World Series of Poker or.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, it was all WSOP events and I just happened
to either be seated at a table with them or
something just came together. It's a whole what's that?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
How intimidated were you?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Look? I'm a fan of poker, So the first thing
was I thought it was cool, and then the second
thing was, boy, you gotta play tight and watch the
shit man, because these guys are not not playing around.
I played a hand against I have to pull her
name up. Her name's Kelly Something. She's called the Ill
and I'm looking for right now. She was easily the
(50:03):
most difficult person. I can't find her right I don't
want to waste your time. But it was whatever. She
was unbelievable, like unbelievable, and I had a real hand,
and the way that she bet and made me doubt
my hand like shoe I ended up. No, she didn't
show she she bet, I raise, she folded. I had
(50:25):
no idea what she had. I had a pair of
tens with like two overs on the board. I remember
it really well, but I remember the whole time like
it's it's weird for me when you play against the
pro the whole time you think they have it because
you just don't know. And it's like that was that's.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Tough series of pooker. How how far did you get?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Like what was your highest ranking?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I never got past day one, so okay, Yeah, and
I made it to the last hour of day one once,
which was I was just trying to hang on. I
was like, I just want to make it the day too,
so I could say it bagged my chips for day
two And I remember that hour, I had like five
thousand and chips and the average stack at that point
was like a hundred cats.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I would love to do one of those. I've played
the ones on online, like the vatellites. Yeah, to advance.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
But that's tough, man, it's not. And those guys you
know it's dead serious. You know, you get some goofballs.
But you know, the most intimidating thing I always tell
people about poker is just sitting down at the table
and then once you're there, it just kind of goes.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I'm always afraid I'll count the wrong amount of chips,
and then I.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Do that all the time. I feel like it was
just awful because sorry, I'm trying to find her name again.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
What's that You're a big JABRUNI.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
No, it's it's like I'll be like, I'll somebody will
make a bet and I'll go to rays and I'll
won't count the rais right because I'm nervous. Hey, you
have to at least double the bet. And you're like, yeah,
I know that, but I forgot.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
To see if if people want to play poker that
weekend when we're in.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
We actually should talk to the wrestle kan guy and
do a restle cade guy and do a restlcade wrestling
tourlet poker tour.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Now what we should, but there are so many shows
that are going on that way.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
It's like wrestle. There's a movie.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
We need like ten, ten to fifteen people, and then
you get a bunch of fans to play too, and
everything is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Can't we just play in somebody's room?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Okay, that's what we have the best brother hangs ever,
So we do.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Let's try to think that happened. Somebody needs to just
bring a deck of cards.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
That's fine. I usually have one and chips. Right, yeah,
here we go, here we go.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Now we're doing it all right. Well, I'm so glad.
I'm so glad I saw you because again, it had
been too long, and it's kind of like this year,
I've been reuniting with a lot of people, and I
really do want to keep in touch this time because,
like we said before, we were telling everybody at the table, we.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Were like we were so close at one point and
then we kind of just.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Happened. People things evolve and then also too now I mean, frankly,
with you know, texting, it sounds so old, but I
mean it's easy to get in touch with each other,
you know what I mean. And my my thing about
going to that ECW show, and Myers had asked me
like a couple of weeks before, you know, will you
go with me and a bunch of us will go
And so met him and Nick and a few other
(53:21):
guys went, and my whole thing was I really just
want to see people and just say hi to them
and get a picture with them. You know, everyone says
take the picture, ye no pictures with like anybody, And
it's important to me, like, you know, for those kind
of memories, because you guys are all people I worked
with for so long, and like when I look back
at the pictures I have from ECW, it's either me
holding a brownie or like some random, some random thing
(53:42):
from like backstage that I necessarily don't sure, but you
know what I mean. So I was happy to see everybody.
It really was, Like when I got back to the
bar that night and we were all hanging out, like
I was like, man, that was cool. I'm really happy
I did that. Because he asked, Brian like, I'm very
hesitant Sabou was here. I came to one of our
now he was doing an autograph signing that one of
our at the same location of one of our impact shows,
(54:05):
and Brian's like, you got to go up and say
hi to him. I was like, you guy, don't want
to see me and we had the best time. You
know what I mean. It's like, you know, I never
you know whatever, but it was. It's been awesome. It
was awesome seeing everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, it was well. I was happy to see you.
Thank you for coming on the show. Everybody, go support
TNA Wrestling. If you want to follow me on socials,
you can find me across the board at ECW DVA. Freetine.
I hope you're staying safe. I hope you're staying healthy,
and most of all, I hope you are saying extreme
Hey, everyone, this is the Queen of the Spring Prian
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I have my co host Chad with me, but he
wasn't able to make it, so I found a replain kid.
You know him as sign Guy Zuglely. I know him
as Loud'angelie from Impact TNA Wrestling. Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I had not seen you, Louis. I have not seen you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I was trying to think because I saw you over
the weekend of WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I don't remember last time I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You, probably two thousand and one, like when we were
doing not the last ECW show, but remember we did
some like shows during the summer, like the Community Center
off South Street that year.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I remember that show.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That might be And we also did the Baseball Field
the reunion at the baseball Field when my top all
in Buffalo off my chains up broke in the ring.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yes, I remember the Buffalo show very well. We were
calling spots on the fly just to pop ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I think I gave you a Bronco buster and my
top was completely broken and that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Was Yeah, we did that that spot there and also
at the Community Center. We kept it going, man, we
kept it going, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We had a lot of reunion shows that year.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I only did that one, remember I stopped like I did.
I did did Buffer Low one. The community Center show
I don't think was reunion. I think it was just
you and me and Tommy and I forget who else
a c W maybe I remember?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I remember the Community Center. But now did you
not do them because you moved?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
No, I still live in Philly. For a lot of them,
and then I moved to Colorado. But no, mostly because
no one asked me to the couple that I being honest,
the couple that I was asked to do, because I
was asked for a few either didn't work out with
my schedule for like my job job, or just kind
(02:35):
of wasn't interested in it. But yeah, that was a couple.
I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The first
thing is not I didn't come because no one booked me.
And then the ones that was before I wasn't interested in.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So right, I've been there, we go.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I remember the rebirth of E CW with you in
w W E. So I got my fill of quote
reunion shows.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
See I call that the fake e C dub. That
was a very dark time. Yeah, it was definitely not
the No, it was the sh It was horrible. I
did not have a good time there.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
No, that was tough for a lot of people. I
mean I was happy. I mean me personally. I lasted
four years there because I was in the office do
in marketing. But I felt bad for all you guys. Man,
you didn't get much of a much of a shot,
if any shot.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I I told the story so many times.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It was like it was presented to me one way,
and then I got there.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
None of that happened, you know, all of.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Us, I think in one way. I mean even when,
like I was working for Comcast Spectacore in Philadelphia for
four years and they had WWE reached out to me
about coming back, and the initial idea was I thought
was pretty cool. It was you know, Shane was going
to run it. There was talk about using the ECW
arena as a weekly TV show location and all that
(03:54):
and like a hub. And I was, you know, I
lived in Philadelphia, so I was like, I was all
in on that. And I think about a week after
I signed my deal, to go there everything with the
opposite direction. So Shane wasn't involved, and I don't know
who was booking it at the time. I know who
was Paul or Tommy or whoever. But man, that went
sideways real fast.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah it did.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean, the only thing that I got out of
it were new friends that I need in the locker
room and being with like old friends.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But the experience was just horrible for me.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think it would be. Look, it was definitely tough
for again me personally, Like I had four months of
WWE c W and then I was put on the
fan Access stuff, which was awesome. For three and a
half years I produced that with the team there and
that was that was very fulfilling, and then eventually doing
some of the brand marketing for the pay per view events.
(04:49):
But again I go back to the initial plan of
what it was supposed to be, and you know, guys
like you and c Dub and Danny and Roadkill and
Guido and a lot of people and probably forgetting funny
thing about that ECW, which you probably don't know, is
they originally had me. They had a gimmick for me
that was going to be the office lou Dy' Angeli
(05:09):
and I was going to host the live events like
in the crowd and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Ow, No, I never heard that.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, I got Nicks like fairly fast. And you know,
it's funny, like I had never formally had a conversation
about it, like they had taught, like they mentioned it
to me, like oh, yeah, you can be like live
event host and you know, and you can do all
the marketing stuff as well, because you know there's crossover there.
And I was like, okay, I never heard another word
about it. And then like booking sheets came out and
at the top I still have this somewhere at the
(05:36):
top of the booking sheet, it's like host lou Dy Angeli.
And then like two days later the booking sheets re
came out and there was no host loud angel anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I used to love when I would look at the
sheet on the wall and like my name would be
on there, and then I'd walked by five minutes later
and it'd be crossed out. I'm like, yes, this is great.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It was really interesting. You know now that you know,
Nick Nameth is with us now and she and him
and I have had a lot of conversations about WWE life,
and it's like, I don't think people truly understand like
how quickly things change. I mean, he was telling me
a story about he was booked, Like he wasn't telling
me a story story was on Busted Open. But then
(06:15):
him and I had the conversation because I wanted him
to like share with people like this really happens. Like
one night he's getting a call that he's in a
twenty man battle Royal that he's winning, and then he's
going thirty five minutes with Roman Reigns, and then the
booking sheet comes out and he's in a prelm. I'm
like heat or something like that, doing a five minute
job to Kevin Owens. It's just like it's so sporadic,
(06:36):
and that's at a major level, right, So yeah, I
don't think people get it. Man, It's crazy and it makes.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You wonder too, like do you have heat with anyone there?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Like what is the deal? Because I didn't. I really
didn't have heat, like as far as I know, Like
my heat was I was told by Johnny Ace my
heat is because I kept to myself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I didn't politic.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I mean I was called to that office so many
times and you're like paint drawing, you don't do anything,
you don't politic, and I'm like, I never politiced in
my life, Like wherever one.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Of the goal is not to politic and usually it's
like should get rewarded. That's that's strange. That's a strange answer.
I think a lot of it too, I think, honestly.
I mean, they tried to get everybody they could and
you know, back from the originals, and I don't know
if they actually I don't know what the plan was again.
I know initially was supposed to be and I think
once everything settled, they changed everything. It was more about
(07:37):
like how can we get new guys over using the
old ECW talent kind of thing, and then it just
there was no ECW talent at one point. You know,
it's a couple of guys. It was a crazy four months.
So I remember those house shows. I remember the boys
asking me why there was nobody in the crowd and
me telling them that because I had a five hundred
dollars marketing budget and it was some pretty awkward conversations
(07:58):
with some of the guys. What's that. Yeah, yeah, I
remember very you know, it's it's I remember one night
in Huntington, West Virginia. It was the building we had
done for ECW and then now we were there for
ec or wwec W and and Big Show and Van
Dam was the main event. I think there was four
hundred people in like a five or six thousand seed arena,
(08:20):
might be even more than that. I remember they both
came up to me and it's just like, all right,
what do you do here? So I always told the truth.
So I didn't like work anybody and say, oh it's
this is nice. It's like, we don't have much of
an ad budget. And in this day and age, even
then whenever that was, you know, in two thousand and
what was it, six seven, it's like five hundred dollars
is nothing, so you basically print posters hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Did we have a street team?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean we would do like a street team
and then like beg radio people to talk to us.
So yeah, well it was tough.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That shows you how much they cared about us. There
was there was like nothing, you know what I mean.
And that's that was a frustration on talent side, because
we saw the way, you know, the way we were
treated and the way that it was just like, you know,
I remember one night I was stuck doing the stupid
bikini stuff, which I hate. It was so hard, so horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I hated it.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Nothing against the girls, but I never had to do
that ship for Paul, you know. And now I'm thirty
four years old and they're making me do it with
a nineteen year old. It was just stupid, you know.
And I remember I was in uh, I was in
my dressing room and Teddy Biassi was one of the
agents for US, and he comes in and he goes, yeah,
you're not working tonight, but you probably don't care anyway,
(09:41):
and he walked out.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I just looked at him and.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I was just like, what, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It was telling me it was like nobody gave two
ships about any of us. I was just like, okay,
So I got changed and I sat down and that
was that.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know what's funny it is now it's like, all
these years later, I think ECW gets more love from
WWE than they have ever now. And I say that
because of like Paul's Hall of Fame thing, all the
specials done on the network. I mean, I've done countless
ECW things you know, top fifty extreme moments. I'm just
(10:22):
trying to think of some of the things I was
involved in. There's a lot, so it's like, all of
a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah it was. It was
really awesome, which is cool it keeps it in the conversation.
But that experiment was very bad. Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It was not good.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Let's go back to better times.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
When we had fun.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Minutes ago before we started.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Talking about the fake EC Doug, give me a random story.
I always ask my guest, give me a random story
of being on the road, something that pops out in
your head that I might or might not know. I
had Chris Chetty on and he told a fantastic story
(11:05):
that I never even heard about him in a bar
after hours fighting with an n W A legend, asking him,
who'd you ever be? And here it was Larry Larry's abisco. Seriously,
the funniest story ever. He's just like cursing at him
(11:26):
and the boys had to drag him out of the
bar because.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was did he not no?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Because remember Chris didn't know anything about wrestling when he
started and has kind of forced him into the business,
so he didn't know anybody from the last he didn't
know current wrestlers, like, he didn't watch it. And they
sat down at this table and he was across from Larry,
and Larry was like, you know, e c W is
(11:51):
nothing but you know shitty wrestlers and this, that and
the other.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And Chris manned up to him and was like, who
do you ever be?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Blah blah blah. It was Larry.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So it was great.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's funny, I think. Man, I'm not I'm horrible with
stories off the cuff. I'm really good. If you remind
me of something.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I told you an hour that's.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
An hour ago that there's a lot of there's a
lot of time within there.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Okay, do you remember, I'll throw you one. Do you
remember the tornado?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Oh in Saint Charles, I do. Were you in the
car with me and Jack?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I was in the car with Tommy.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Okay, so that story I do remember because I had
personally never been in a tornado and you.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Were like practically crying.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, I'll tell you my version of that. I don't
know if I was crying, but I was. I remember,
and tell me if I'm if I'm wrong here, But
I remember Jack and I were driving and we went
we were in a Windy's and we're in the drive
through and whatever and our food and all of a sudden,
these like sirens start going off, and I go to Jack.
(13:04):
I was like, what's this and he's like, uh, I
took it to hurricane. And the lady at the Wendy's
like opens the drive through window literally throws our food
at us in the car. We don't pay. She shuts
the window. She's like, get cover boom. So I'm like,
holy freaking Like, I'm freaking out. So Jack, we drive
to the hotel. Was this when we saw you? We
(13:24):
drove to the hotel and we covered. We went under
the stairs of like the second floor to hide, which
I don't know is the right idea or not. I
was fairly freaked out about that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
What were you? Was I there with you for that one?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, Tommy and I were in targeting, Yeah, either Target
or a Walmart, and the sirens went off and I.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And he grabbed my arm and he goes, it's a
tornado and he starts pulling through the store.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Everybody just starts running.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We got in the car and I remember you. Corrino.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, Sea dub right, Sea Dub there.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah. Somehow we all found each other.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Because Corrino, I don't know if he was rooming with
you or not, but his room was on the first
floor and they told us not to get on the elevator.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, that's why I was under some stairs somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, so we all go in the room, and I'll
never forget it. You guys had pizza, old pizza on
your bed, and all of you were like, oh my god,
we got to call our moms.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We're gonna die. We're all gonna die. And I was like,
no one's gonna die. Relax.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So Tommy drags me into a bathroom and he goes,
this is the safest place. We have to stay in
the bathroom, call your mother. I go, I am not
calling my mother. She is going to freak out.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
You're Doomsday. It's so doomsday. It's like it's over, it's over.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You were all calling your mom's and I did not.
I went back to your room and I sat on
in that bed while you were all in the bathroom,
and I ate a piece of pizza, and I was
watching TV and I saw the tornado touchdown outside your
hotel room.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Oh my gosh, yeah, I don't remember that level of detail.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We were all crying in the bathroom, like, oh crying, crying,
calling your mom's and I was.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I mean, that's that's I remember that one pretty well.
That was my That was my first tornado experience. I
think I also drove drove through one once, but that
was post e C dub so it doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Wasn't Jeff Jones stuck under her bridges?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I think somebody was. There was a whole bunch of us.
It was like, where were you when this tornado hitting
Saint Charles? And why are you all? A bunch of
marks were still talking about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I literally saw it touchdown outside the window.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. All right, Well that's
you know, most of my stories are built around like
just things I saw. I mean, I did the this
is eight years ago, I think, but I did the
Top five Extreme Moments WWE DVD, and they were they
couldn't believe I remembered every single moment and like where
I was and what was happening, very very random, And
(16:12):
that's that's where I'm you know, I remember those things
really well, driving around and all the stuff we do.
I mean, we've done someone, We've done a lot of
poop pranks on CW. That's always the go to.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We did, remember the brownie one.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
The brownie story is told like every every time I
see anybody, very simply, and I'm sure it's been told before,
and I'm gonna pg this is best I can for
the sake of it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Before you say it, let me just tell you the
brownie was mine, and I was pissed off that I
couldn't need it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Wasn't it a matter x par No, it was my
brown It was an actual brownie. So I have a
picture that I found. I should have brought it, but
it's downstairs. I have a picture of me and said
brownie holding the brownie. You do not, I swear, yeah
it was. I found these two pictures randomly the other day.
(17:06):
It was one of like me and Mikey Whitbreck and
then one of me and the brownie and the brownies
like this, And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Was it before or after?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
After?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I'm all right, now you have to tell the story, because.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, we're in Green Bay Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Remember where we were.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I have a strange memory. I remember lots of random things.
We were in Green Bay, Wisconsin. There was a huge snowstorm.
A lot of the boys relate to the show, if
they even made it to the show. And somewhere along
the way it was c W was gonna wrestle Tommy,
and we were bored, and I think it was me,
(17:46):
you and Tommy or Tommy and me, and we pulled
you in and we pulled some people from the locker
room and say we're gonna we're gonna rip c W
and try to make him throw.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He would dig yeah, and the and the and the
rib with it with him as if you can make
him like that's the goal, make him throw up. Right,
It's like really really cool, like adult stuff we're doing here,
trying to make a guy throw up just for our own,
our own pleasure. So the deal was we would do
c W would have his match with Tommy, and he did.
And at one point in the match, CW gives Tommy
(18:16):
a spinebuster on the ladder and Tommy rolls out, you know,
rolls over, selling his back but also saying to the
ref and CW, I'm hurt. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. And
so they go home and so CW's freaking out because
he thinks he hurt Tommy now. And then Tommy comes
to the back selling and he sells and I remember
(18:38):
that goes through the curtain. There's like a little hallway
down to these like locker rooms where the turd pictures from.
And Tommy like goes in there and he falls on
the floor like selling his back and what's that? Oh yeah,
he's just dyeing. And somewhere along there, you slip them
what I thought was metrics bar, but it turns out
(18:58):
to be a real brownie. You slip them the brownie.
Tommy then proceeds to put it in his pants, and
when CW the back of his pants and CW walks in,
he's freaking out, and Tommy starts going, I think I
cracked myself. I think I cracked myself. He goes, franccene,
can you can you check? Can you check? And now
(19:18):
CW is starting to do check.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't know what's that check this?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, it's just like but you at that point, you know,
it's like, why would anybody check? I don't need I
know you don't need to check it. And so so
CW starts getting the hebgb's a little bit. He starts
doing the like the gang, and but he's still really concerns.
He thinks Tommy's hurt. And then you pull a gimmick
brownie out of Tommy's pants. As to day, Oh my god,
(19:45):
you did. CW turns throws up. And what everybody missed
in the course of that is I had fake throw
up in an airplane bag that I also threw against
the wall to make it even worse for CW. He
was I heard the same that. That to me was
pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That's an easy what's that throw up?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It was? It was like, how can we make it
even worse? We'll do with that. That's a trigger. This
guy's trigger is like all disgusting things, and here we're
just gonna throw it all at him for our amusement.
I remember driving back with him that night. I don't
think he spoke to me.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Now, do you guys do this in the TNA locker room?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, No, there's rib I mean there's there's fun things
we do with each other like it's it's I mean, no,
not like that, but no, no reason we really don't.
There's just there's little things we do to pop each other.
They're not elaborate ribs because TNA doesn't travel like we
don't have these two hundred and fifty mile drives between
(20:49):
each shows and all that where you can orchestrate thing.
I mean, we could orchestraight things whenever. But the short answers, no,
we do have a great time together though.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right. For those who don't know, Lou New works for TNA,
what is your title there.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I'm the vice president of Marketing for Anthem Sports and Entertainment,
so the company that owned TNA Wrestling. My main focus
is indeed TNA Wrestling, and I've been there for just
over two years now. I've had a great return in
the wrestling business. It's been you know, to be honest
(21:22):
with you, I always thought i'd try or maybe would
get back in, but it was really important that I
was around with my kids. I have two daughters now
fifteen and eighteen, which blows my mind. But I always thought,
like when they're older, like I would love to get
back into pro wrestling. And it just happened like two
years ago. Anthem reached out to me. We had a
really good conversation, and I started as a consultant. And
(21:44):
I'll tell you and everybody in TNA knows this, but
you know, I went to the first show, which was
happened to be at the twenty three hundred Arena, of
all places, I didn't feel like I really fit in
at all. I felt like I was completely so disconnected
from wrestling because for eleven years I worked at or
disil A, so I was vice president of marketing and
PR there. I didn't, you know, and I know a
lot of people say this, but I didn't watch a
(22:05):
lot of wrestling, and I didn't really stay in touch.
And the only things I would watch were if one
of my buddies was on TV and he texted me
and he said, like, I'm gonna do this segment, or
make sure you watch this, or if it's one of
my buddies, And that's kind of what it was. So
when I went to Philadelphia, I knew Tommy Rhino, Lance,
Brian Myers, and Matt Cardona, and I knew nobody else
(22:27):
in the TNA locker room. And it was really weird
because when they brought me in, they didn't really tell
anybody why I was there, So that day, I was
just like walking around aimlessly, and I remember calling my
wife about an hour after I got to the arena
and I was like, I don't know if this is
going to work out. I'm not feeling it. And it
was a lot of different feelings for me and the
fact that one I didn't know anybody, so that's that's
(22:49):
you know, you get over that. But two, I just
didn't know if this was the time right. So we
did the Philly shows and then two weeks later we
had shows in Poughkeepsie mid Hudson six Center also where
we did shows at Love that Building, and I remember,
and honestly, I emailed them and I said, you guys
really need me there, Like do I have to come?
Like I don't have anything to do, because I didn't
have anything to do at the shows at that time.
(23:11):
And the response was like, well, dude, like we'd like
you to like get familiar with like the crew and everything.
And then I was like, yeah, you're right, I was
just being negative. So I went and sure enough, after
the second show and Poughkeepsie, I was like, I get it.
I get what impact at the time is trying to do.
I want to be part of it something just like
something just clicked. And then after Poughkeepsie picked up and
(23:33):
I was a lot more involved in a lot of
different things, and then I was offered a full time
job that summer that I gladly accepted. And now looking
back on it, like if I had bailed two and
a half years ago, I would have been that would
have been a big mistake, because I think some of
the best times I've had in wrestling are actually happening
right now, just from having a different view on it,
having a different position in the company than what I've
done in past companies, but also just seeing like we
(23:56):
talk about locker rooms and we don't like crucify it.
We don't like crucify each other with ribs, but we
have a great time together and we mess around and
you do the fun things. But this is probably as
close as it could get to anything like and it's
it's so different than e c W. In a way,
I was gonna say it's as close as you could
get to that locker room, but in reality, it's just
two different worlds. Like ECW had a great locker room,
(24:17):
t and A has a great locker room. They're all
different reasons why but I think at the end of
the day that one thing that brings it together is
the drive of everybody to try to make the best
it can be, and you know, always represent the product
in a really proud way. So it's turned out to
be pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know. A couple of years ago I did, I
think it was.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, and Brian Myers had.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
A party right in his room, and Shane was like,
you know, we're we're gonna go to dinner and then
we'll go.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Up to Brian Myers room.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And I was like, oh, no, I think pretty long
with the young kid probably, I mean, we're not, We're not.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
That was half my thing too. I mean, you know,
I know about your party because Myers texting me because
you thought it was so cool that he was hanging
out with me with chance.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh he inlighted us, and so I said, you know what,
let's give it a go. Let's go up. So I did.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So we went up there and I'll tell you what
I met the whole locker room. Because the whole locker
room came into his room. They were thirty people. I
said to myself, like you I'm going to be uncomfortable.
I know I am. I wasn't in the loop. I
mean about ninety nine percent who walked in if I
(25:37):
didn't know them. They came and shook my hand, yeah,
and sat down and were talking to me and drinking,
and we were all drinking and having a good time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And I said, my god, if I had to pick
one locker.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Room to return, not that I'm returning anywhere, but I'm
just saying, if I had to pick somewhere to work,
I would this company because everybody was so nice and
like down to earth, and the girls cool, and there
was like no you could tell, there was just no
cattiness going on and I love that, and everybody was
getting along and it was just a fun night, you
know what I mean. And I was just like, damn,
(26:11):
I like these people, like they're good people. I could
just tell. I got that vibe, you know what I mean.
So now we do these conventions, I go hang with them.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like the last weekend, And
that's that's what I mean. I mean, I think initially
I wasn't giving it enough of a chance, and then
when I did, and like you see, those hangs are awesome.
I mean, there's a good group of people that it's
not clickie, but everybody has their people they hang out with,
and that group of people is just a lot of
fun and super respectful and the stories and everything we
(26:43):
talk about, and but also it's just it's just what
I consider a safe place. I mean, a lot of
those a lot of things or whatever don't find the
way on the net, which is good. Yeah, but that
is one thing I would I would say about teenage
locker room for sure. I mean there's a handful of
guys there that we got really close, you know, pretty quick.
But because we've seen a lot of different things together,
we are also fighting for the same cause. And you know,
everyone communicates and talks, you know, it's not like this.
(27:05):
You know, there's always silos in certain areas, and that's
any company, not just a wrestling company, but everyone's usually
working together to figure things out, throw ideas out. A
lot of the ideas that are talked about from the
from the crew with me or from a marketing standpoint
or with our creative guys like at least or listened
to and may even happen. So I think a lot
of people see those things come to fruition, which does
(27:25):
make it a difference. You actually do have impact, you know,
no pun intended impact. Well, sorry, influence, you've also had influence.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The kid with the glasses should know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
That was so I heard that story found its way
on here is that I had to tell that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, I told that story, right, lou Is the kid
with the glasses. If you didn't listen to it, go
back and listen. I told the story.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was the peacemaker that night. There is, yeah, there is.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And you weren't even that like for I weren't do
anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I felt like I think you were just like listen, bro,
we're just hanging out having a good time.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Look what happened was We're all sitting at the table
and Nick sitting with us, and everybody in that bar
was bothering Nick, like to the point of like Nick's
a great guy, he'll do anything. But it came to
a point like you could just see It's like every
time the dude like went anywhere, we got a picture?
Can we get a picture? Can we get a picture?
And this one guy comes over and he was just
(28:25):
some of the things that I won't repeat here. We're
just so disrespectful of what he said. Said to Nick,
and Nick was like, huh, I'm just like, bro, can
you just leave like a good time?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know what he says to me, He goes, I'm
not really a fan, and I go, if you're not
a fan, they'd stop bothering us.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Is because of the things he said to Nick, I
knew he knew wrestling. And then then he tried to
come back and talk to John Morrison. John and I
are buddies from back in the day and tie in everyone,
and so it was the same thing I sold John.
I was like, watch this, dude. And then that's when
I was the kid with the glasses. I wasn't trying
to start trip, was simply trying to like create some space. So, yeah,
stop getting bothered.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well I think I eliminated.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, you took him off and had a good
talking to him.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I did, and I prevented a big war in a fight,
and I was very proud.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Of my not a thought I won't let it get
that far. But I mean, I think, you know, it's
when you're in the public eye like Nick is, and
you are and those guys in that moment, it's going
to go further. If Nick retaliates versus if I say
something glasses verse.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, I just like the kids with the gas.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I'm happy you called me a kid. I'm fifty one, so.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ask you a question and don't take offense because I
was match number two when uh the reunion show that
just pissed.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Did you come out with the Dougleys that night?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, ring, why not?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I mean, no one ever asked me too, You're kidding me.
Bubba asked me. And when I literally walked in the building,
He's like, I, I don't know. I told Bubba i'd
see him there, but yeah, no, I mean, look, I
don't I don't take offense or I don't I don't
worry about any of that stuff. At the end of
the day, it's like I was really happy to be
(30:13):
part of the Dudley's. The Dudleys are Bubba and Demon
and you know I was a part of inn ECW.
Their legacy is much bigger than the ECW of things
I wasn't a part of. And yeah, it would have
been fine, But at the same time, it's like people
want to they want to see those two guys, and
if I was asked, like if it had been something
I had been talked about, probably, But when you're walking
like literally in and I was just coming with Myers
(30:35):
and everybody to watch the show, it was kind of
off the cuffin whatever. It's totally fun.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Though, yeah, because I you know, like I said, we
were number two, they were number one because they went
to the Hall of Teme and I when I saw
you there, I said, Oh, he's coming back to like
go out with Bubba and Difon.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's so cool. But you weren't dressed. You were like
dressed like normal.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Well that was one of the reasons when Bubba did
ask me, and I was like, I'm not even liked
for this right now. It's like I'm dressed in a
nine inch nails hoodie and a hat.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And you know, I wanted to though, just if you
had a tie die shirt and a pair of glasses?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Would you have went out there?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
If I had known prior and it had been set up? Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
When's the last time you you worked, like literally worked.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Twenty twelve with Billy Corgan's Resistance Pro stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh okay, yeah, so I.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Did that for What's up?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Do you ever get the urge to get back in
the ring?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Nah, I really don't. It's so different for me right now.
I just I would do it once if I feel
like that that windows passed. And the reason I say
that is the Dudley's did something in White Planes with
us and then they did that show, And it's just
like the window for me is like if they if
there was a time we were going to do it,
and do it once and do it properly, I'd be
all in about it. But I don't want it to
(31:52):
be like a last minute thing. Look, I'm not the guy.
I'm not the big draw. It's like, holy shit, signed Dudley's.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's more than like abody stop. You were a part
of that crew, right, So if if for nostalgia reasons,
if a show came up and everybody was there, would
you consider doing it?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Just okay, that's that's all because I can offline really okay, No,
because like with me, like in my mentality, I always
tell Shane because I talked.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I must talk to Shane for four to five times.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
A week every week, like we're very close, you know,
And and we tried to get booked a lot together
because people like to see us together.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Right, It makes complete sense.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It does until they book us separately and then put
him three rows away from me, which makes no sense whatsoever.
But that's I'm yeah, they're so ridiculous. But like in
my mind, I'm just like, do people really want to
see a fifty two year old woman.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Accompany this guy at ringside?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like That's what I say to myself, And then once
I get out there, I'm like, I can, I can
kind of still do this like you guys are.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think it's a little different with you guys because
you guys were so attached and yes I was a Dudley,
but you guys were. You two are synonymous rights that
just is Bubb and Devon are too, and then there's
the layers after Bubba and Devon, And that's just always
how I've seen it. I've never ever once taken offense.
I've never really thought about it. I mean, I talked
(33:30):
to Bubb and now I think more than you know,
we talked every day when we work together. But now
it's just different. We just have a different relationship. It's
a fantastic relationship, but it's not really built out around wrestling.
Were the dumblies actually? So I'm happy for those two guys.
I think they've absolutely crushed it. Definitely made a statement.
Happy to have been part of it. You never say never.
(33:51):
I think maybe there's one one day that you can
get everybody back and just knock it out and that'll
be it. But we'll see. My daughter, my fifteen year old,
asked me constantly, you gotta get back.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Do your kids watch wrestling?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
My oldest doesn't. She only like will text me to
show her friends, like, what was your wrestling name again?
I got Dudley Louis Dangerously But now I'm at the
point now when she texts me that I just sent
her this video I have that's on YouTube, I was like,
here's everything you want to see. Someone put this video
of me just getting killed here here at all. And
then Emery, my youngest, got into it was a two thousand.
(34:30):
I guess when Becky and Sasha and Charlotte and Bailey
all start having those really big matches and I'd be
watching them. That was one time I was watching wrestling
because I was fully like floored of how awesome all
that was. And then she would see, like she really
start liking Sasha a lot. And then they came here
for a show and I brought her backstage and Devon
(34:52):
set up for her to meet Sasha. She had such
a great experience. Sasha gave her all these things, sent
her a bunch of gifts, and that resonated with her.
So now she watches wrestling. She only watches the women.
Her favorites are still like in in uh In Tna,
Rosemary the Demon or Courtney Rush is her favorite wrestler.
She does like some of the guys now too, us
(35:13):
I guess as you get older. But yeah, and she
loves she loves Masha also, and she loves Giselle also.
So it's just like all these very interesting people that
I personally have gotten to know that I think are
really cool. But yeah, it started. So the short answer,
she doesn't watch it religiously, but she definitely watches it,
like when those people are performing, or when Sasha is
(35:34):
doing something in a w or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's interesting because my kids zero, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I mean they're not like it's it's funny. I would
keep all this ECW stuff. I'll be like, I'll give
it to my kids. I'll give it to my kids,
Like my kids want nothing to do with it. The
only thing that that that Emery has that's my youngest.
That she really likes is she has the first tie
Die Dudley shirt I ever wore a signed guy and
that's it. And he has a pair of Bubba's glasses
(36:01):
that he gave her at a WWE show. And she
had a ship ton of autograph stuff from TNA and
from Sasha but not U. That's it, but it's cool.
It's cool. So she's kind of like one toe in
the water.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But yeah, like we don't want well, my husband and
I will watch a little bit here and there, Like
we literally just watched the TNA pay per view from.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Las Vegas Rebellion. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I watched Rebellion and listen, I don't watch. Yeah,
so I watched it from start to finish. I will
say I loved the show. The packages are so good,
the packages rival WWE.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I agree, thank you good. We have an amazing creative group.
There's a guy named Eric Tompkins who works in our
Nashville office, and there's a guy named George Barbosa. And
between all these guys, like what they put together with
their teams. I'm not going to rattle through everyone's names,
but they're the guys kind of in charge and man,
(37:02):
they just crush it. Like Eric does such a good
job with those packages and they're so thoughtful and like
I've been with him, watching him like with a creative process.
I had nothing to do with it of just observing
and how what he puts him to like you know,
process and thought and time, but also how he engages
people around him to be like, hey, what do you
think or can we do this? Like it's very collaborative
(37:24):
and but what he puts out is great and I
appreciate you saying that for him.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Let me tell you, I was so impressed with the
way you you guys opened it with the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I thought it was so clever. How you know, he
was in the front and then he became in the
back and just just really good, I will say. And
I you know, I'm not the only one who said this.
The one thing that disappointed me were the fans. The crowd.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, I couldn't understand the action was so good in
the ring. Yeah the crowd was dead.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, it's strange. And Vegas. From living here for so
long and promoting probably eight to ten TNA shows in
my time here, Vegas is a very quiet crowd.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, like that very kind of And then I said
to myself, man, they need more managers at ringside to
the crowd up range because.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
The next night in Vegas, we did our TV tapings
and they were like way louder than again, yeah, the
way we do it if usually do a live show
one night and then tape t two episodes of TV
the next night, or we do a weekend where we
do four episodes over two nights, and the TV night
in Vegas was they were super super loud, like from
(38:47):
the get go all the way through, and we're all like,
we get still puzzled by that because it's like TV
shows are great. TV tapings are great, but the live
shows the payoff, right, you know all the matches going
in TV. You don't know everything that's happening, and right, yeah,
and that's not knocking Vegas. I love Vegas. I love
it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, Like I love the way the building looked like yeah,
yeah there, And I was like, I was excited to
watch it because this was the first pay per view.
I literally sat down and watched in like a really
long time. I was digging it, but I was I
was legit pissed off at the people. I was like,
what is going on? Like they popped for a little
(39:26):
like the thumb tacks and little things, but overall it
was just flat. And I'm just like me And if
I was there, I would have been banging on that
mad I would.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Have been turning around cursing if people had to bring
them up like that.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I don't understand. The action was so good and the
guys and girls were working so hard. It pisses me
off that it was so quiet in there at certain points.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I agree it's tough, you know, because you know, you
know from being in that spot, and I've been in
that spot too. The crowd reactions kind of what we're
going for. Yeah, and it's like it was. It was
very very quiet, And again second night was great. But
I've seen this in other markets too, where it's for
some reason one show resonates differently over the other, just
(40:11):
on who's in the crowd, you know. Yeah, whatever, it
was on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, everyone was raging
instead of Saturday afternoon in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, it was a great show. I think everybody, you know,
everybody looked great on at the angles. I loved I
just I was really into it like, and that says
a lot because I haven't watched wrestling in like a
really long time. I'm trying to slowly get back into
it a little more because of this. Yeah, talk about
it more, you know, more wrestling and stuff. But I
enjoyed it, so good job for everybody involved.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, and I'll share that with everybody. The one the
one thing that I've been thoroughly like, not just impressed with,
but really stand behind when people ask us or ask
me about like, how are we different? I do think
our storylines, as to what you said, are really what
we pride ourselves on. And then they're not. It's not
really shotgun booking. It's very much like a person as
(41:05):
a start person as an ARC has a finish like whatever,
how it blows off and goes into the next thing.
And they're really well laid out. And I think because
of that, you know, you're able to vest yourself in characters.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You're not rushing it, and that's not rushing it. You
can start down and make people want to be invested
in it and want to watch every week. And that's
what I like about it.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah, and then we take the time to build people.
When we take the time, Like right now, you know,
the system is our top heeled group, and that's an evolution.
I think it's awesome and they're all one thing. They're
all really good guys and girls and that that's what helps.
But also what they're doing is like it's legitimately getting heat.
It's like making people upset and it's they're getting booze
and it's like you're not trying to force it, it's
(41:49):
actually happening, you know, So you develop that a little
bit more. And what we're doing with like the knockouts,
I think our women are unbelievable and the emphasis that
we put on into that is makes me really proud too,
because it's women's wrestling. I think as a whole, it's
obviously a lot better in general than when what it
was because of just the things you said you were
(42:10):
asked to do back in the day that we wouldn't
even really think about anymore. And that's cool to showcase that.
But yeah, I mean, look, we're not sitting here trying
to like, oh, we're gonna blow w W out of
the water and this and that. Like we have a niche.
We know that, and I think our niche has a
lot of a lot of good support, a lot of
really good wrestling, a lot of really good storytelling. Yeah,
(42:31):
and that's a good place to own.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I had a lish on yeah, and I was telling her,
I see a little bit of the triple thread in
the system.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Ah, that's a really good point. That's a really good point.
And is your biggest fan so modern a.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Modern day yeah, modern day version. I love the system
and I love I love that she's out there at ringside.
And that's what I was telling her, because she basically
was saying she enjoys managing more than like the wrestling aspects. Yeah,
like being at ringside. And I was like, we need
those female managers out there, so do your thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
She's oh, I agree, I think uh.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Beautiful, And she's getting the job done. She's drawing the heat.
And I just like when I was when when Brian
and and Eddie came out and they were holding.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Up the belts.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I flashed back to like Bido and Land and then
Shane with the belt. At one point, I was just like,
I just a little bit, I see No.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I mean, that's that's a really good example. That's a
really good I'm sorry comparison. I think you know. One
thing I'll say, Brian, you know, I definitely love Shane
and you, so there, maybe I have to ask him.
I almost want to text him right the second. I won't.
But the one thing I'll say about Edward.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're like they're Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I'm totally going to bury you to him. I'm totally
going to be like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Podcast I do see Little I do too.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I get totally get your name.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
It's so cool because.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's the twenty twenty four version and I'm a huge
fan of them, Like I told you at the pay
per view the promo that they did and then like
I love I love Heels. I just love Heels total
it's the best. So I'm a big fan of tn A.
I am going to come and see you guys because
I'm booked for Restle Kid. So in November, Yeah, guys,
(44:26):
have a show and we're in.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Philadelphia and the June too, if you want to hang
out that.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Night, I'm booked.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Okay, somebody else one more thing before before we got off.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're not going yet, but what is the date for
the Philly show? Is at the twenty sixth or something,
I think.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
It's twenty eight twenty nine of June.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But yeah, I'm I'm booked, or else I would have
I would have made it there.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
I'm away, I'm looking right now. Why I'm looking. I
wanted to say something that you mentioned Alicia Edwards and
Philadelphia's twenty eight twenty nine of June year enough, okay,
well that you won't be there and then but Liz
will be there. You know. He's a really good example
of When I first started, there were a couple of
people who came to me and said, we have these ideas,
(45:12):
you know, and we'd like to see some of these
ideas happen, and we're trying to get these ideas done.
And she was one of them who came with, like,
this is a whole kind of like idea on social
media and you know, and not not as much with
like things that are trending, but making sure our presence
is better. And she came with ideas for the content
as well. And we've made all that happen in two years.
And it's a good example of the TNA locker room.
(45:34):
And it's hern has a bunch of other people as well,
Cody Diner, Tom Hanifan, like a lot of the other
guys that are not you know, they're just like and
that's where its similar to ECW like you see them
in Ring, but they have all these other things they
kind of do. Liz helps produce content. She produces like
our theme months and you know, right now we're working
on mental health awareness and things like that, and I
(45:55):
think it's really good to have someone that has that.
You know, I'm soo in the day to day. A
lot of us are day to day of running and
working live events and doing all this stuff, and she's
trying of thinking down the line a bigger picture. But
it's a good example of how a lot of our
guys get involved.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I'd love that. That's great.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
And I can't believe I just put her over because
I usually try to bury her as much as possible.
She's awesome, but it doesn't I know she's going to
watch it, and I want her to hear that I
buried her.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You didn't bury you put her over, but then I
buried her.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
At the end.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh okay, Well that's fine. We kind of canceled each
other out though it's neutral.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Now, where can people find you? What do you want
to plug do? You have any socials you want to
plug or anything for TNA coming up. This will air
next Tuesday, So anything after next Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, I mean I would direct everybody to TNA Wrestling
dot Com. On Twitter, It's this is TNA on are
now X, on ex Twitter, this is CNA on Instagram,
It's TNA Wrestling. But that's where everything is. And with
this air date, that means we are talking about Albany
(47:06):
this Friday and Saturday night. Friday night will be under
siege at the Washington Street Armory and Saturday night will
be a TV taping in Albany.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's this weekend coming up.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
If this is airing a week from today, yeah, this weekend?
All right?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
So do you want to plug your socials?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Lou Underscore, Das and dog A and E E. L
I is Instagram and L d Angeli is ex Twitter,
Twitter X all right, And I don't have my web
TV email that you have anymore, but I.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Was gonna, yeah, I was going to send you something.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
On web t eighty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Hey man, you who invented online poker.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Apparently you know what would be fun if we were
all in the same location and we can play poker.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Here's a website that me and my buddies use that
you can just start a game. People could just sign
in and you can play. And you just said a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I want to play at a table like with real Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Yeah, Hey, I'm just trying to hear me. I'm trying
my best.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You played with phil Ivy, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Was it phil Ivy or I've.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Never played with phil Ivey. I've played at tables with
John Raisner, Andy Duke.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
No, who was the one you played with that you
called me and you were freaking out over Daniel Mgrano
Probably was it Daniel.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I never played at a table with phil Ivy. That
would be sick.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I thought it was on line.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I thought you played with with Oh.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That yeah, okay, that's that was a long time ago,
and that was it was phil Ivey. It was poker, Okay.
I always think of in person for me.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, no, I'm talking about I remember when you played
with him and you lost your you literally lost your ship.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, I have a screenshot of that because I couldn't like, Yes,
that was full till Poker before Black Friday. I think
it was two thousand and ten or eleven, So I
just moved to Vegas, and I actually was playing I
had gone back to Philadelphia for something. I was playing
online poker in Philadelphia on full tilt and played at
a table. That's correct. Thanks for reminding me of myself.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I knew it was phil Ivy.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Now you can't tell me it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
But you've played with all these other people in Vegas live.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Is it just like you you go into a casino
and you sign up for like one of the tournaments
or was it like the World Series of Poker or.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, it was all WSOP events and I just happened
to either be seated at a table with them or
something just came together. It's a whole what's that?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
How intimidated were you?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Look? I'm a fan of poker, So the first thing
was I thought it was cool, and then the second
thing was, boy, you gotta play tight and watch the
shit man, because these guys are not not playing around.
I played a hand against I have to pull her
name up. Her name's Kelly Something. She's called the Ill
and I'm looking for right now. She was easily the
(50:03):
most difficult person. I can't find her right I don't
want to waste your time. But it was whatever. She
was unbelievable, like unbelievable, and I had a real hand,
and the way that she bet and made me doubt
my hand like shoe I ended up. No, she didn't
show she she bet, I raise, she folded. I had
(50:25):
no idea what she had. I had a pair of
tens with like two overs on the board. I remember
it really well, but I remember the whole time like
it's it's weird for me when you play against the
pro the whole time you think they have it because
you just don't know. And it's like that was that's.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Tough series of pooker. How how far did you get?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Like what was your highest ranking?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I never got past day one, so okay, Yeah, and
I made it to the last hour of day one once,
which was I was just trying to hang on. I
was like, I just want to make it the day too,
so I could say it bagged my chips for day
two And I remember that hour, I had like five
thousand and chips and the average stack at that point
was like a hundred cats.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I would love to do one of those. I've played
the ones on online, like the vatellites. Yeah, to advance.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
But that's tough, man, it's not. And those guys you
know it's dead serious. You know, you get some goofballs.
But you know, the most intimidating thing I always tell
people about poker is just sitting down at the table
and then once you're there, it just kind of goes.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I'm always afraid I'll count the wrong amount of chips,
and then I.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Do that all the time. I feel like it was
just awful because sorry, I'm trying to find her name again.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
What's that You're a big JABRUNI.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
No, it's it's like I'll be like, I'll somebody will
make a bet and I'll go to rays and I'll
won't count the rais right because I'm nervous. Hey, you
have to at least double the bet. And you're like, yeah,
I know that, but I forgot.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
To see if if people want to play poker that
weekend when we're in.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
We actually should talk to the wrestle kan guy and
do a restle cade guy and do a restlcade wrestling
tourlet poker tour.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Now what we should, but there are so many shows
that are going on that way.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
It's like wrestle. There's a movie.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
We need like ten, ten to fifteen people, and then
you get a bunch of fans to play too, and
everything is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Can't we just play in somebody's room?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Okay, that's what we have the best brother hangs ever,
So we do.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Let's try to think that happened. Somebody needs to just
bring a deck of cards.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
That's fine. I usually have one and chips. Right, yeah,
here we go, here we go.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Now we're doing it all right. Well, I'm so glad.
I'm so glad I saw you because again, it had
been too long, and it's kind of like this year,
I've been reuniting with a lot of people, and I
really do want to keep in touch this time because,
like we said before, we were telling everybody at the table, we.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Were like we were so close at one point and
then we kind of just.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Happened. People things evolve and then also too now I mean, frankly,
with you know, texting, it sounds so old, but I
mean it's easy to get in touch with each other,
you know what I mean. And my my thing about
going to that ECW show, and Myers had asked me
like a couple of weeks before, you know, will you
go with me and a bunch of us will go
And so met him and Nick and a few other
(53:21):
guys went, and my whole thing was I really just
want to see people and just say hi to them
and get a picture with them. You know, everyone says
take the picture, ye no pictures with like anybody, And
it's important to me, like, you know, for those kind
of memories, because you guys are all people I worked
with for so long, and like when I look back
at the pictures I have from ECW, it's either me
holding a brownie or like some random, some random thing
(53:42):
from like backstage that I necessarily don't sure, but you
know what I mean. So I was happy to see everybody.
It really was, Like when I got back to the
bar that night and we were all hanging out, like
I was like, man, that was cool. I'm really happy
I did that. Because he asked, Brian like, I'm very
hesitant Sabou was here. I came to one of our
now he was doing an autograph signing that one of
our at the same location of one of our impact shows,
(54:05):
and Brian's like, you got to go up and say
hi to him. I was like, you guy, don't want
to see me and we had the best time. You
know what I mean. It's like, you know, I never
you know whatever, but it was. It's been awesome. It
was awesome seeing everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, it was well. I was happy to see you.
Thank you for coming on the show. Everybody, go support
TNA Wrestling. If you want to follow me on socials,
you can find me across the board at ECW DVA. Freetine.
I hope you're staying safe. I hope you're staying healthy,
and most of all, I hope you are saying extreme
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