September 8, 2022 • 46 mins
This week, Rasha and Yvette discuss the complex case of Aileen Wuornos, perhaps the most famous female serial killer in history. Wuornos was subject to a life of abuse, and many believe that led her down a deadly path. But how do you weigh that abuse against seven murders?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV
and iHeartRadio. We are your hosts. I'm Roschia Pecureiro.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And I am Eve Genteelay and here as always with
our amazing producer Trevor Young.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hey there, how's it go?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hello? Hi Trevor, Oh my god. Okay, so I have
to tell you too about what I hope, pray beg
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reimagined series from creator Abby Jacobson, and she's also one
of the stars in it. She's the co creator. But
it's so incredible. I have to tell you a little
bit about this series and why. Of course, as the
card holding lesbian that I am. Of course I want
to watch, you know, the reimagining of a baseball you know,
(01:30):
female baseball players, you know baseball show. But there's two
reasons that I want all of our listeners and for
the two of you to watch it. One, In Petty
Marshall's original movie in the nineties, she only alluded to
the fact that there were African American women that played
baseball during that time, right, but they weren't allowed to
play in the All American you know, girls professional Baseball League,
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which is what this series is based on. It took place,
I believe in nineteen forty three. She like did like
a little to it, just like one scene, but she
didn't allude at all to the queer scene of that time.
And in the new series, they allude, not only allude,
they slap you in the face with it beautifully. They
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(02:19):
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Speaker 3 (02:27):
Absolutely And what did you say?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
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Speaker 1 (02:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Amazon Prime?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
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It's so interesting that you say that because I was
just on a plane to New York and I just
watched for the first time forty two. But Chadwick Boseman,
and you know the story about Jackie Robinson, and that
was amazing and just to think about you know what,
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you know, Jackie endured during that time, and I could
imagine the same for those those women back then. Yeah,
I mean you had to be fierce, you know, just
the insults and the hate that was being thrown out there.
So yeah, I can't wait to watch that. But forty
two is amazing as well. Yep, all righty well, Trevor,
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will you please take us through today's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Case, but now a story of unnatural violence, the case
and confessions of a female serial killer.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
She was tired of being in the spotlight. She was
tired of reporters and police and lawyers, everyone making a
career off of her. There are many people who were abuse,
his children, who were raped. They don't pick up a
gun and kill No. I wasn't born bad. You guys
got it stand time tell you man.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They lied, They lied so bad to you all.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Eileen Warnos was a Florida based serial killer who murdered
seven men between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety. Eileen
had a troubled upbringing. At the age of four, she
was abandoned by her parents and adopted by her maternal grandparents.
Her grandparents were alcoholics and known to be abusive, both
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verbally and sexually. At age eleven, Eileen reportedly engaged in
sexual activity at school for drugs and cigarettes, and at
age fifteen, she was thrown out of the house by
her grandfather. She survived through sex work and frequently got
into trouble with the law. Then, in November of nineteen
eighty nine, she committed her first murder. According to Eileen,
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she shot the man because he had raped her. Over
the next year, she would kill six more men in
a similar fashion. Eileen was eventually captured and sentenced to
death for the murders, and in October of two thousand
and two, she died by lethal injection. The following year,
a biographical film called Monster premiered, which revealed a new
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layer to Eileen, depicting her not just as a killer,
but also he was a victim of the circumstances in
which she was brought up, and so who was Eileen
warnos what drove her to murder seven men, and to
what degree was she just as much a victim as
the people she killed?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
This is such an incredibly wild story. I mean, I
think the case of Eileen Warnos is so important because
it really brings up a question of who the victim
really is in a case like this.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right, Like, everyone I believe during that time was so
quick to think that Eileen was this man hating, lesbian,
cold blooded killer who went on this murder spree, right,
But in reality, let's face it, she was, I believe,
truly a victim herself. Of course, the people that she
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took the lives of were victims as well. But I
think that both can be true, and I think not
enough people actually talk.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
About that exactly. But you know, there is no denying
that she was a killer. But however, she also lived
a life of abuse and neglect. Eileen was a woman
who was mistreated from the very first day, like I mean,
all the way until the end of her life. She
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was born into a violent lifestyle where she literally had
to fight to survive. Yeah, but you know, like you said,
she also murdered at least seven men, And no matter
what we say today, it's an incredibly complicated case. People
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are on both sides, in the middle, all over the place.
But you know we're going to dig into all the
sides today. And one quick note before we get going.
One of the accounts of Aileen Weoronos's life that sheds
so much light on her victimhood is the phenomenal sometimes
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hard to watch because it's so intense, but the phenomenal
film two thousand and threes Monster. It is an absolutely
incredible film that truly captures who Eileen was as a
person and as a human being. And the director of
that film is the great, the most phenomenal, one of
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the most phenomenal humans I've ever met in my entire life.
Patti Jenkins and Patty is going to be joining us
for an interview on the next episode of Facing Evil. Yes,
we are so excited to talk to Patty. And for
those who don't know, Patty is our Ohanna. She is
the one who brought our mother's life story to fruition
(07:49):
and we have always wanted to talk to her about
Eileen Warrenos. So definitely, you must, you must look out
for this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely, it's going to be incredibly fantastic. And even though
we've known Patty for years, we've never talked to her
about Eileen. So with that said, stay tuned for that.
But we are going to start talking about Eileen right now,
and let's learn about Eileen's early life.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah. So Eileen was born in Rochester, Michigan, on February
twenty ninth of nineteen fifty six, and her mother, Diane,
was only sixteen at the time of giving birth to Eileen.
Her father was Leo Pittman, and he was nineteen at
the time of her birth, so her parents had been
married when Diane was only fourteen, which is kind of wild.
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They also had a son named Keith, who was born
before Eileen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, so Diane was super young when she was having kids.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But the couple divorced two months before Eileen was even born,
so this was already kind of a tumultuous situation, potentially
a recipe for disaster. And Leo was supposedly a pretty
trouble guy. Reportedly he had issues with alcohol. So as
you can imagine, Diane as a teenager, you know, just
age sixteen, wasn't really prepared to deal with children and
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an alcoholic husband. So they divorced and then she was
just kind of all alone with these kids.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, and then Diane actually she abandoned both of her children.
There's this one story where Diane left Eileen and Keith
with a babysitter for one night, and then she called
later to say that she wouldn't come back. Can you imagine.
Can you guys imagine being the babysitter on the other
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line and you have two kids and the parents says,
I'm not coming back.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm surprised she called at all.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's just wild.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But eventually Eileen and her brother were adopted by Diane's parents.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah. I mean, so both of her grandparents where she
now lived, they were both incredibly abusive. They were also
both alcoholics. Diane Warno's Eileen's mom would say that both
of her parents were very verbally abusive to her and
to Eileen, and Eileen would also say that her grandfather
at some point sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So she never had a chance.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
No, Yeah, I mean, she's a kid, and she's already dealing.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
With all those right Sadly, you know, it started to
catch up with her, and at the tender young age
of eleven, you know, she reportedly started having sex with
her classmates in exchange for food, drugs, and cigarettes. So
she basically became a sex worker at the age of eleven.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, it's all heartbreaking and just horrible, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Eileen also struggled with behavioral problems, everything ranging from truancy
not going to school to fights at school. She was
also diagnosed with different disabilities, and that had to have
had a huge impact on all of the other issues
and factoring middle school, Eileen was diagnosed with hearing and
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visual problems and they tested her IQ and she only
scored eighty one, which is technically considered borderline intellectual functioning.
And basically, so many things were stacked up against Eileen.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I remember there's a story that one of the school
officials spoke to her grandparents and they were urging her
to get her special counseling, but her grandmother refused to
provide any treatment. They were asking or telling I should say,
you know, can you help you know your granddaughter, and
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they said no, And so the school went as far
as to give Eileen a mild tranquilizer. And I guess
is that normal for like back then where they gave
kids tranquilizers.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't know, but definitely not.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't think you'd get away with that today, but.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Definitely not today. But that didn't work either. I mean,
she was clearly showing problems and nobody was helping her.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, So anyways, there are some other unfortunate things that happen.
In nineteen seventy Eileen is reportedly raped by a friend
of her grandfather's, so this is a much older man,
and at the age of fourteen, as a result of this,
Eileen became pregnant. So during her pregnancy she was actually
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sent to a home for unwed mothers. And then on
March twenty first of nineteen seventy one, Eileen gave birth
to a son, and that child was placed up for adoption,
and Eileen then dropped out of school entirely. I don't
think we know who that son is or what happened
to them, and I don't think Eileen ever met them.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't don't believe either.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But can you imagine, Yeah, the getting sexually assaulted like
that and then having to deal with that at fourteen,
and she.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Was sent to an unwed mother's home, and you know,
We've heard that story before because our own grandmother, that's
our mother's story. Our grandmother, Tomorrow Hodell was sent to
an unwed mother's home when she got pregnant with our
mother at the age of fifteen.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Oh really, she was actually fourteen.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh wow, she was fourteen, gave birth at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, that's a really interesting parallel.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I think that's what they did during that time, right, Yeah,
although this was this was nineteen seventy one, but when
it happened Tomorrow it was twenty years earlier, so in
nineteen fifty one. But yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The idea of being there is that like when women,
you know, something shameful happens to them or something like that,
that you just kind of shuffle them off and like
hide them away.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Until they have the baby and then they get placed
up for dubtion.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah. And so later that very same year, in nineteen
seventy one, Eileen's grandmother died of liver failure, and then
her grandfather kicked Eileen out, so she was left to
fend for herself at the age fifteen, and she took
up sex work to survive. She even lived in the woods,
she knows, right, Yeah, yeah, she just went back to
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what she'd been doing from the times she was eleven
and according to the Tampa Bay Times here and this
is a quote, at fifteen, Eileen was left to fend
for herself. She spent nights sleeping in abandoned cars or
seeking the refuge of homes in the area. Family and
neighbors told investigators that's.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like, you know, when you think about that, like they
just left her out to be a wild animal.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Anyhow, Eileen left Michigan, and rightfully so. But she sort
of becomes a vagabond, like she's traveling and she's hitchhiking
across the country.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
On May twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four, Eileen was arrested
in Colorado for a DUI and she was also arrested
for disorderly conduct for firing a pistol out of a
moving car. And so she was then charged with a
f Well, you're to appear in court, so obviously she
never showed it up for that, right, So she's you know,
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hitchhiking across country. She's handling guns and getting into trouble
with the law. I mean, this all just seems like
a bad situation, getting.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Worse, right, Yeah, things are definitely starting to spiral at
this point. And eventually she makes her way down I
seventy five all the way to Florida, and this is
where really most of the story takes place. This is
where Eileen lives when she eventually murders seven men. And
we'll get into that right after we take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I want to point out a few more notable
things that happen with Eileen before her murdering spree begins. First,
in nineteen seventy six, she met and married a sixty
nine year old man named Louis gratz Fell. During their marriage,
Eileen beat Louis with his very own cane, and Louis
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ended up getting a divorce from Eileen and even took
out a restraining order against her. And he would be
quoted as saying, Wernos has a violent and ungovernable temper
and threatened to do bodily harm end quote. What do
we think about this?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's weird. I mean, this marriage clearly doesn't last very
long for a good reason, right, I mean, is I
guess the first case we have of Eileen being incredibly violent,
you know, especially to somebody She's I supposedly romantically involved with.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I wonder how much of that was just survival, right, Yeah,
And you know, things proceeded to go even more downhill
from there. And in nineteen seventy eight, at the age
of twenty two, Eileen attempted suicide by shooting herself in
the stomach. And that wasn't even her first suicide attempt.
I think it was her sixth suicide attempt, her first
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time that she had tried to kill herself she was
only fourteen years old.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, and then at that point it was just seemingly
crime after crime that she was caught for throughout the years.
Just a couple of notable examples, she robbed a convenience
store in nineteen eighty one. She tried to cash forwards
checks at a bank. She was also arrested in Miami
in nineteen eighty six for car theft and for resisting arrest.
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And then also that year she robbed a man at gunpoint,
demanding two hundred dollars. So this is unfortunately Eileen's life.
Now it seems like, well.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's been that way forever. It feels like, yeah, exactly,
She's like.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Now she's resorting to violence, right.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Crime and violence. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely gone to the
next step.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, And everything is spiraling out of control with her, right.
But then she meets someone who is very, very important
in this story. She meets a hotel maid named Tyra Moore.
And for anyone who had didn't seen Monster, she is
portrayed by the great Christina Ricci. And this character that
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Christina Ricci plays, her name is Selby in the movie.
In the movie Monster, But this is really the beginning
of a love story. When she meets Tyra.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, I don't know, but it might have been
the only like glimmer of light in Eileen's life, and
the two of them, you know, begin a very enduring
but very tumultuous and difficult relationship. And Eileen was thirty
and Tira was twenty four years old at this point.
They moved in together not long after meeting, like the
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typical lesbians. I can joke about that because hello, we
do that, you haul really fast. So they of course,
you know, we're living together. And the only way that
Eileen could support Tyra was by doing sex work, and
that's how they survived. You know, I'm sure this was
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hard on them as a couple, But to be honest,
I'm I'm just glad that Eileen had Tira for however
brief a time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
As you alluded to though Russia, this doesn't last very
long because in nineteen eighty nine the murders begin, and
let's go through them in order rather quickly. So on
November thirtieth, a fifty one year old man named Richard
Charles Mallory picked up Eileen in his car, and supposedly
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this is for Eileen to provide him with sexual services.
So Eileen would claim that Mallory tied her to the
steering wheel of his car and raped her. And then
after this assault, she pulls out her gun and shoots
him multiple times. So two of those shots punctured his
left lung, killing him. Eileen then dumped his body in
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the woods nearby. The police wouldn't discover the body until
December thirteenth, a few weeks later, and this is officially
eileen first killing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah. I want to say that Eileen did this first
one in self defense, but as much as I want
to defend Eileen for everything that she's been through, this
happens six more times, not once, not twice, six more times.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, and we only have her account, right, Like, we
don't have anybody else to back the story up or
say that something else happened, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So yeah, just Silene's testimony, right, just Sileen's recollections of this.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
On June first of nineteen ninety, police discovered the naked
body of forty seven year old David Andrew Spears, who
had also been shot to death, and just a few
days later, on June sixth, they found the body of
forty year old Charles Edmund Carkcadon, wrapped in an electric blanket.
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In both of these cases, investigators determined that they had
been killed with a twenty two caliber gun. Was later
spotted driving Carskannan's car, and she had also pawned a
gun that was in his name. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
It just seems like she's not covering any tracks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean she Yeah, I don't think she really had
any concept of covering her tracks, you know. I think
she was just in these very probably desperate situations and
just reacted. I mean that said, like she could have
had the I don't know, the thought to throw evidence away,
maybe not like drive that person's car around. I don't know.
So Anyways, the next victim is Peter Abraham Siams, and
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on July fourth, police find his car, but they never
find his body. To this day, they've actually never found
his body, but Eileen and Tyra had been spotted leaving
his car a few days earlier, and they also find
Eileen's handprint on the inside door handle.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Again not thinking. She probably wasn't even thinking about it.
She was just trying to survive, trying to Oh my god,
I just killed another person. What do I do next?
I mean, I don't know I'm kill her. I don't
know what her mind was like, but yeah, I'm just
thinking about what you were just saying.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And you know she had to, you know, in the moment,
of course, you're not thinking about that, in the hype
of doing all the things that she's done. But eventually
she has to know that it's going to catch up.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
To her, right right, you would think. So, I think
this is where it was a pivotal point in where
everything changed for Eileen. And this is depicted so beautifully
in the movie Monster by Patty Jenkins. And you're just
like riveted, You're like, what is going on? So a
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witness actually sees Eileen and Tyra in you know, Peter
seems car and she sees them get into a car accident,
and they don't ask for help from her. They freak
the f out and take off. So this woman is like,
what just happened? And you see that in the scene
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in the movie, and it actually happened in real life.
So this witness was able to give you know, full
descriptions of Tyra and Eileen to the authorities. And then basically,
I mean we're supposed to say man hunt, but the
woman hunt.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Began, So I mean, yeah, exactly. Up until this point,
there was not really a big connection between all of
these different murders. You know, I think they were sort
of figuring out what was going on eventually, but now
they're seeing like, oh, like these women are probably behind this.
They had the victim's car. You know, a lot of
things are lining up now. So a couple more murders
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happened before they actually catch So the next victim is
fifty year old Troy Eugene Burris. He was found on
August fourth of that year, and victim number six is
Charles Richard Humphries, who was found on September twelfth. And
then the final victim was sixty two year old Walter
Gino Antonio and he was found on November nineteenth. And
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this is nineteen ninety so it's now been a full
year since Eileen started killing.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's just so crazy, all of that in one year,
that's seven victims.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, you know, it doesn't take police very long to
figure out that it is Eileen that has been behind
all of these murders, and they do finally track her down.
And as we said, I mean, Eileen wasn't covering her
tracks very well for that year of all of those murders.
She was pawning her you know, her victim's belongings at
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pawnshops all around Florida, and her fingerprints were actually found
on one of the pawn shop receipts. And then so
once they matched up that print that was on the
pawn shop receipt, authorities put out a warrant for her
arrest finally after that year of her killing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, and of course at this point it's just a
matter of time, right, So finally, on January ninth of
nineteen ninety one, Eileen is arrest did at Last Resort,
which is a biker bar in v Lucia, Florida. So
technically police arrested her for an outstanding warrant for something else.
She was under the assumption that the warrant was related
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to one of the many fake names that she had
been using going around using.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
She didn't think she was getting arrested for murder.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, yeah, I mean, she had no idea that investigators
had linked her to these murders at all, or that
she was under suspicion for them at all. So anyways,
she's arrested, taken into custody, and then we'll talk about
what happens after we take another quick break.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So after the police arrest Eileen on January ninth, they
find Tyra the next day in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where she
I guess she was staying with her sister. They don't
charge her, but they do question her about Eileen's activities.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So I do want to read this quote from Crime
Library about what Tyra told them at that time. And
just side note here, Tyra always called Eileen Lee, so
she's going to be referring to Lee here in this quote.
She had known about the murder since Lee had come
home with Richard Mallory's Cadillac. She said Lee had openly
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confessed that she had killed a man that day, but
Moore told her not to say anything else. I told
her I didn't want to hear about it. She had
her suspicions, she admitted, but wanted to know as little
as possible about Lee's doings. The more she knew, she reasoned,
the more compelled she would feel to report Lee to
the authorities. And she didn't want to do that. I
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was just scared, she said. She always said she'd never
heard me, but then you can't believe her, So I
don't know what she would have done. End quote.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Hmmm, we do know, like Tyra genuinely loved Eileen, you know,
and she wanted to protect her. But I don't know.
Like at the same time, she's saying that you can't
believe her, but she's like, I don't know, right, I'm
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not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Because she knows that she's killed people.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I don't know if Tyra really trusts her or not.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, because you can love someone and not trust them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But as the quote kind of says, she was willfully
ignoring it or like trying not to believe it, right,
which is I think a thing that happens in relationships
that involve some sort of like dark behavior on one
part of the relationship, right, the other person in the
relationship tends to kind of like block it out of
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their head and pretend it's.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Not a problem, right, compartmentalize exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So deep down Tyra knows, but she's trying to like
crush it down, just move along and trust her. But
like deep down knows that like Aileen's probably not trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, that said, police do convince Tied to speak with
Eileen on a recorded phone line, and they persuade her
to confess. In exchange for this, they offer Tira immunity
from prosecution. So the first call happens on January fourteenth,
when Tyra calls Eileen, who is in jail, but Eileen
does not confess at first. In fact, Eileen was under
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the impression, as we said before, that she was only
in jail for a minor weapons violation and a traffic ticket.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I also read that Eileen was speaking in code words
on that entire phone conversation, which obviously suggests that she
knew more about the situation than she led on. I mean,
she she had to have been just playing it cool.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She knew, Yeah, she knew she was being recorded. Yeah,
I mean, she knew that it was only a matter
of time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But on the third day of phone calls, which was
January sixteenth, Eileen finally agreed to confess in order to
protect Tira. So here's another interesting quote from crime Library quote.
Moore became more insistent that the police were after her,
and it became clear that Wernos knew what was expected
(29:15):
of her. She even voiced suspicion that Moore was not alone,
that someone was there taping their conversations. But as time passed,
she became less careful about what she said. She would
not let Moore go down with her. Just go ahead
and let them know what you need to know, what
they want to know or anything, she said. And I
will cover for you because you're innocent. I'm not going
(29:38):
to let you go to jail. Listen, if I have
to confess, I will end quote.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Right. So when it comes down to the final decision,
Eileen decides to choose Tira over herself, and she does
ultimately confess. So Eileen goes in to confess, but there
are two big points she insists on. While she is confessing.
One is that Tyra had nothing to do with any
of the murders, and two that none of this was
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any of her fault Eileen's. That is, so, she claims
that all of these murders were done in self defense,
that each of the victims had either assaulted her, threatened her,
or raped her, and this idea becomes essentially the mantra
of Eileen during the entire trial and all of this
process of her defending herself. It is important to note
(30:29):
that investigators during the confession said that her story kind
of seemed to develop as she told it. So when
she thought she'd said something that was like kind of incriminating,
like when she caught herself, she would like back up
and rewind and be like no, no, no, actually retracked, yeah,
and then she would retell it, changing little details to
kind of like fix it along the way. So it's
(30:52):
again kind of hard to trust Eileen's account, at least
according to the investigators.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
To me, this was clearly self defense, especially for the
first one. That's my opinion. She was fighting for her
life against violent men who were not trying, but who
had raped her.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But do you think it was self defense? After that? Point,
or you know, do you think like she was making
up the self defense part for the ones after the
first one? And that seems to be a big question
in this case.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You know, that's the difficult thing about this case, is
like you don't really know, but I just have to say,
for me, I feel like the first victim was clearly
self defense. The other six I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So. Yeah, So let's talk about the trials then. So
Eileen's first trial, which is for the murder of Richard
Charles Mallory, begins on January fourteenth of nineteen ninety two.
So because police had already connected her to the other
murders by this point, prosecutors here were able to bring
in all the evidence from those other cases. And this
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is something that's kind of unique to Florida law, which
says that you can actually pull in evidence from other
cases if you can demonstrate that there's a pattern between
all the different cases, right, or that there's a pattern
of behavior evident in comparing all the cases.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Do we are we okay with this law? I'm like,
I'm not really sure, do you know what I mean?
Because it's like, I feel like that first murder was
self defense, but I can see why they're allowed to
bring in other evidence because they're trying to prove that
it was a pattern, because it wasn't only Richard Mallory,
it was Richard Mallory and six other people. But now
(32:37):
that the jury knew right about all of those murders,
that made Eileen's claim of self defense against Richard way
less probable because it happened six more times. So to
them this looked much more like a serial killer killing spree. Right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, there was also this to consider. The was the
videotaped confession, and to be honest, this didn't really help
the whole self defense case either. So supposedly Eileen appears
very confident and unbothered by the stories of rape and
resulting murder that she was confessing to. So she also
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made apparently quote easy conversation with her interrogators, and she
even told her public defender to be quiet multiple times.
So she apparently just seemed very in control of the
situation throughout. So I don't really know what to make
of that. To me, that's just that account seems very
sexist in nature, like she wasn't emotional enough as a
(33:43):
woman about these terrible things, like they wanted her to
be more like, oh, no, this is such a terrible
thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I wanted to say, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Mean that said, it's also a bit I don't know,
sociopathic to like, no matter what who you are, to
talk about like murdering people and ever like callus. And
I can see why the jury would hear that and
be like, ooh, this person does not have a lot
of remorse for killing. So you know, I think that's
really what the jury saw here.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, so unsurprisingly, Eileen, like you just said what, The
jury was convicted of first degree murder for killing Richard
Charles Mallory on January twenty seventh. The jury deliberated for
less than two hours before determining she was guilty. And
then as she left the courtroom, Eileen exploded into this
(34:38):
rageful shouting fit. And this is so incredibly hard for
me to even say these words, but this is coming
from her mouth, and she says, I'm innocent. I was raped,
and I hope you get raped, scumbags of America.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Thankes well. The next phase of her trial was the
penalty phase, and that's to determine what punishment she gets.
The defense argued, that Eileen was quote mentally ill and
suffered from borderline personality disorder, and that her tumultuous upbringing
had stunted and ruined her. So her lawyer basically pleaded
to the jury to save Eileen's life by saying that,
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you know, she was too mentally ill to know what
she was doing. However, this argument really didn't have much
impact on the jury. They pretty quickly recommended the death penalty,
and on January thirty, first Judge Guriel Blunt sentenced Eileen
to death by electric chair for Mallory's murder. Do you
think this was justified? The death penalty?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Is the death penalty ever justified?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know if we want to go there, but
I can go back to like talking about, you know
how she was just thrown away. She was literally thrown
out to fend for herself like a wild child, and she,
you know, was born on that mentality either she was
going to get killed or she was going to kill them, right,
(36:04):
That was rage that was inside of her.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So I think this is where I'm really torn, right
because I feel so bad for Eileen, because you know,
we always say on this show, you're not born a victim.
But it's almost like she didn't have a chance. You know,
I'm surprised she lived as long as she did without
(36:29):
killing herself. Yeah, killing herself, killing anyone. I mean, she
did attempt to take her own life, you know, half
a dozen times. Like it's heartbreaking to me, But I
don't believe she should have been killed. I think she
should have been given a chance to get mental health help.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I want to point out something that I think a
lot of people don't think about when it comes to
something like Eileen. She's one of the very few female
serial killers out there, right, there was not a ton
of precedent for someone like Eileen. So when she's going
through this trial, when she's going on the stand, they're
not just viewing her as a serial killer, they're viewing
(37:10):
her as a woman, right, And so a lot of
their lens is very clouded by perceptions of womanhood, how
a woman should act, and that compounds a lot on
the again, the perceptions of the jury. And so I
think part of her sentence was, you know, based on
(37:31):
a lot of probably misogyny or at least misunderstanding of
what women go through. And there was just a lot
working against her and A big part of that was
just that people listening to her story or trying to
understand her just had nothing to work.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
With, right. And I wonder too, like with the death sentence,
did they do that to make an example of her.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's a very valid point that you just made, Trevor.
And it's like, you know, the jury, the judge, they
all have this kind of cookie cutter image of what
a woman is supposed to be, right, and that is
not what they were looking at, you know, in their eyes.
(38:15):
They weren't looking at you know, what this woman had endured,
you know, her whole life. They were looking at, you know, well,
this is this is a monster.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And I do wonder, like just theoretically, like what if
it was only the first murder, what if it had
just been Richard Charles Mallory, Like, would she still had
been convicted the same way or not? And my theory
is that she would have really because I think to
that jury and that judges, it didn't matter if it
was one man, didn't matter, if it was seven, it
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didn't matter, if it was self defense, didn't matter, if
it was cold blooded, you know, thrill of the kill.
I think, to them, a woman who was out of control,
and who killed who was had the lifestyle that she
had was already condemned, you know before she walked in
that courtroom.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Wow, especially especially during that time. You're absolutely right, Trevor,
and in Florida. Yep, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So on March thirty first, it was decided that Eileen
would not stand trial again, and Eileen pleaded no contests
to the other murders, and she pleaded no contests to
the murders of Charles Richard Humphries, Troy Eugene Burris, and
David Andrew Spears. In a statement about this, Eileen would say, quote,
(39:37):
I wanted to confess to you that Richard Mallory did
violently rate me as I've told you, But these others
did not. They only began to start to end.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So yeah, there you go. So that that changes the
game right there.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
So in total, even though we believe Eileen killed seven men,
she ends up with only six total death sentences. And
that's because the seventh death sentence couldn't be carried out
for the murder of Peter Abraham, seems because his body,
like Trevor said, was never found.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So Eileen's lawyers spent much of the next decade trying
to appeal her sentences, but apparently Eileen wasn't interested in
having her sentence changed. In fact, in two thousand and one,
Eileen petitioned to have her lawyers dismissed and cancel all
of her penning the pills.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
She just gave up.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, exactly. This is a quote. This is what she said.
She said, I killed those men. I rob them as
cold as ice, and I do it again too. There's
no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I
kill again. I have hate crawling through my system. That's heavy.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah. And one thing that did happen is she requested
that her method of execution be changed to lethal injection
instead of electric chair. And I think rightfully so. And
the Florida Supreme Court did agree to all those requests
that you laid out, Yvetts, so they dismissed the appeals
and her lawyers.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
On October ninth, two thousand and two, Eileen Wrenos was
executed by lethal injection at Florida State Prison. She declined
a last meal, just asking for one single cup of
coffee instead. In her final statement before her execution, she
seemed to accept her fate, and I'll be honest, I
(41:43):
googled it, I tried to look it up. I was
trying to decipher this last quote that I lean left
with the world, and I couldn't make sense of any
of it. But I'm going to read it to you
and maybe you can figure it out, and please tell
me if you do. Quote, I'd just like to say,
I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like
Independence Day with Jesus June sixth, like the movie Big
(42:08):
Mothership and all I'll be back. End quote.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So my understanding is that the last few years of
Eileen's life she was not well mentally right, so maybe
there is some sense to be made here, But I
kind of when I read that, I chalked it off
to Okay, those are the last semblances of lucidity coming through.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
So yeah, Well after those words, Eileen was pronounced dead
at nine forty seven PM. She was the first woman
to ever be executed in the state of Florida, and
only the tenth woman to ever be executed in the
entire country since capital punishment had been restored in the
(42:55):
United States in nineteen seventy six. She was cremated and
her ashes were spread in Michigan by lifelong friend Don Botkins,
and the song Carnival by Natalie Merchant was played at
Eileen's funeral.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
There's a lot more to talk about here about Eileen's
life and the way that she was treated, and we're
going to do a deep dive into that on the
next episode when we sit down with our friend, our Ohanna,
Miss Patty Jenkins, so please please stay tuned for that
(43:36):
for this week's EMUA. There are two sides to this
to think about. First of all, most importantly, we want
to remember those whose lives were taken violently, the victims
in this terrible case, and their families.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
But we also want to recognize that Eileen was a
victim herself, a victim of jenn generational abuse and generational trauma.
That she was undoubtedly a product of the system that
she was born into.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
But with proper resources and a more carrying upbringing, Eileen
might have got the help she needed. But instead she
was subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, and that
set her on the crash course to becoming a monster.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And we hope that people think about the consequences that
their actions have on others. Break the cycles of trauma
of abuse and instead of blame, try to seek understanding
and love onward and upward. Emua, emua. Well, that's our
(44:53):
show for today. Make sure to tune in for our
next episode where we interview the amazing Patty Jenkins. Well.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
As always, we'd love to hear what you thought about
today's discussion and if there is a case that you
would like us.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV
and iHeartRadio. We are your hosts. I'm Roschia Pecureiro.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And I am Eve Genteelay and here as always with
our amazing producer Trevor Young.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hey there, how's it go?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hello? Hi Trevor, Oh my god. Okay, so I have
to tell you too about what I hope, pray beg
for the two of you and all of our listeners
to binge watch immediately. And again we are not sponsored,
but if if you want to sponsor us, please tell
us Amazon Prime. But a league of their own, the
(01:08):
reimagined series from creator Abby Jacobson, and she's also one
of the stars in it. She's the co creator. But
it's so incredible. I have to tell you a little
bit about this series and why. Of course, as the
card holding lesbian that I am. Of course I want
to watch, you know, the reimagining of a baseball you know,
(01:30):
female baseball players, you know baseball show. But there's two
reasons that I want all of our listeners and for
the two of you to watch it. One, In Petty
Marshall's original movie in the nineties, she only alluded to
the fact that there were African American women that played
baseball during that time, right, but they weren't allowed to
play in the All American you know, girls professional Baseball League,
(01:54):
which is what this series is based on. It took place,
I believe in nineteen forty three. She like did like
a little to it, just like one scene, but she
didn't allude at all to the queer scene of that time.
And in the new series, they allude, not only allude,
they slap you in the face with it beautifully. They
bring in beautiful characters and people of color. And it's
(02:19):
absolutely brilliantly incredible, laughing, crying, all the things. So please, please, please,
please please please watch it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Absolutely And what did you say?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was on again? Amazon?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Amazon Prime?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh, Amazon Prime. Okay, yeah, I can't wait to watch.
It's so interesting that you say that because I was
just on a plane to New York and I just
watched for the first time forty two. But Chadwick Boseman,
and you know the story about Jackie Robinson, and that
was amazing and just to think about you know what,
(02:51):
you know, Jackie endured during that time, and I could
imagine the same for those those women back then. Yeah,
I mean you had to be fierce, you know, just
the insults and the hate that was being thrown out there.
So yeah, I can't wait to watch that. But forty
two is amazing as well. Yep, all righty well, Trevor,
(03:13):
will you please take us through today's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Case, but now a story of unnatural violence, the case
and confessions of a female serial killer.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
She was tired of being in the spotlight. She was
tired of reporters and police and lawyers, everyone making a
career off of her. There are many people who were abuse,
his children, who were raped. They don't pick up a
gun and kill No. I wasn't born bad. You guys
got it stand time tell you man.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They lied, They lied so bad to you all.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Eileen Warnos was a Florida based serial killer who murdered
seven men between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety. Eileen
had a troubled upbringing. At the age of four, she
was abandoned by her parents and adopted by her maternal grandparents.
Her grandparents were alcoholics and known to be abusive, both
(04:10):
verbally and sexually. At age eleven, Eileen reportedly engaged in
sexual activity at school for drugs and cigarettes, and at
age fifteen, she was thrown out of the house by
her grandfather. She survived through sex work and frequently got
into trouble with the law. Then, in November of nineteen
eighty nine, she committed her first murder. According to Eileen,
(04:34):
she shot the man because he had raped her. Over
the next year, she would kill six more men in
a similar fashion. Eileen was eventually captured and sentenced to
death for the murders, and in October of two thousand
and two, she died by lethal injection. The following year,
a biographical film called Monster premiered, which revealed a new
(04:56):
layer to Eileen, depicting her not just as a killer,
but also he was a victim of the circumstances in
which she was brought up, and so who was Eileen
warnos what drove her to murder seven men, and to
what degree was she just as much a victim as
the people she killed?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
This is such an incredibly wild story. I mean, I
think the case of Eileen Warnos is so important because
it really brings up a question of who the victim
really is in a case like this.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right, Like, everyone I believe during that time was so
quick to think that Eileen was this man hating, lesbian,
cold blooded killer who went on this murder spree, right,
But in reality, let's face it, she was, I believe,
truly a victim herself. Of course, the people that she
(05:52):
took the lives of were victims as well. But I
think that both can be true, and I think not
enough people actually talk.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
About that exactly. But you know, there is no denying
that she was a killer. But however, she also lived
a life of abuse and neglect. Eileen was a woman
who was mistreated from the very first day, like I mean,
all the way until the end of her life. She
(06:20):
was born into a violent lifestyle where she literally had
to fight to survive. Yeah, but you know, like you said,
she also murdered at least seven men, And no matter
what we say today, it's an incredibly complicated case. People
(06:40):
are on both sides, in the middle, all over the place.
But you know we're going to dig into all the
sides today. And one quick note before we get going.
One of the accounts of Aileen Weoronos's life that sheds
so much light on her victimhood is the phenomenal sometimes
(07:02):
hard to watch because it's so intense, but the phenomenal
film two thousand and threes Monster. It is an absolutely
incredible film that truly captures who Eileen was as a
person and as a human being. And the director of
that film is the great, the most phenomenal, one of
(07:26):
the most phenomenal humans I've ever met in my entire life.
Patti Jenkins and Patty is going to be joining us
for an interview on the next episode of Facing Evil. Yes,
we are so excited to talk to Patty. And for
those who don't know, Patty is our Ohanna. She is
the one who brought our mother's life story to fruition
(07:49):
and we have always wanted to talk to her about
Eileen Warrenos. So definitely, you must, you must look out
for this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely, it's going to be incredibly fantastic. And even though
we've known Patty for years, we've never talked to her
about Eileen. So with that said, stay tuned for that.
But we are going to start talking about Eileen right now,
and let's learn about Eileen's early life.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah. So Eileen was born in Rochester, Michigan, on February
twenty ninth of nineteen fifty six, and her mother, Diane,
was only sixteen at the time of giving birth to Eileen.
Her father was Leo Pittman, and he was nineteen at
the time of her birth, so her parents had been
married when Diane was only fourteen, which is kind of wild.
(08:40):
They also had a son named Keith, who was born
before Eileen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, so Diane was super young when she was having kids.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But the couple divorced two months before Eileen was even born,
so this was already kind of a tumultuous situation, potentially
a recipe for disaster. And Leo was supposedly a pretty
trouble guy. Reportedly he had issues with alcohol. So as
you can imagine, Diane as a teenager, you know, just
age sixteen, wasn't really prepared to deal with children and
(09:11):
an alcoholic husband. So they divorced and then she was
just kind of all alone with these kids.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, and then Diane actually she abandoned both of her children.
There's this one story where Diane left Eileen and Keith
with a babysitter for one night, and then she called
later to say that she wouldn't come back. Can you imagine.
Can you guys imagine being the babysitter on the other
(09:39):
line and you have two kids and the parents says,
I'm not coming back.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm surprised she called at all.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's just wild.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But eventually Eileen and her brother were adopted by Diane's parents.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah. I mean, so both of her grandparents where she
now lived, they were both incredibly abusive. They were also
both alcoholics. Diane Warno's Eileen's mom would say that both
of her parents were very verbally abusive to her and
to Eileen, and Eileen would also say that her grandfather
at some point sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So she never had a chance.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
No, Yeah, I mean, she's a kid, and she's already dealing.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
With all those right Sadly, you know, it started to
catch up with her, and at the tender young age
of eleven, you know, she reportedly started having sex with
her classmates in exchange for food, drugs, and cigarettes. So
she basically became a sex worker at the age of eleven.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, it's all heartbreaking and just horrible, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Eileen also struggled with behavioral problems, everything ranging from truancy
not going to school to fights at school. She was
also diagnosed with different disabilities, and that had to have
had a huge impact on all of the other issues
and factoring middle school, Eileen was diagnosed with hearing and
(11:03):
visual problems and they tested her IQ and she only
scored eighty one, which is technically considered borderline intellectual functioning.
And basically, so many things were stacked up against Eileen.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I remember there's a story that one of the school
officials spoke to her grandparents and they were urging her
to get her special counseling, but her grandmother refused to
provide any treatment. They were asking or telling I should say,
you know, can you help you know your granddaughter, and
(11:43):
they said no, And so the school went as far
as to give Eileen a mild tranquilizer. And I guess
is that normal for like back then where they gave
kids tranquilizers.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't know, but definitely not.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't think you'd get away with that today, but.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Definitely not today. But that didn't work either. I mean,
she was clearly showing problems and nobody was helping her.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, So anyways, there are some other unfortunate things that happen.
In nineteen seventy Eileen is reportedly raped by a friend
of her grandfather's, so this is a much older man,
and at the age of fourteen, as a result of this,
Eileen became pregnant. So during her pregnancy she was actually
(12:31):
sent to a home for unwed mothers. And then on
March twenty first of nineteen seventy one, Eileen gave birth
to a son, and that child was placed up for adoption,
and Eileen then dropped out of school entirely. I don't
think we know who that son is or what happened
to them, and I don't think Eileen ever met them.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't don't believe either.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But can you imagine, Yeah, the getting sexually assaulted like
that and then having to deal with that at fourteen,
and she.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Was sent to an unwed mother's home, and you know,
We've heard that story before because our own grandmother, that's
our mother's story. Our grandmother, Tomorrow Hodell was sent to
an unwed mother's home when she got pregnant with our
mother at the age of fifteen.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Oh really, she was actually fourteen.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh wow, she was fourteen, gave birth at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, that's a really interesting parallel.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I think that's what they did during that time, right, Yeah,
although this was this was nineteen seventy one, but when
it happened Tomorrow it was twenty years earlier, so in
nineteen fifty one. But yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The idea of being there is that like when women,
you know, something shameful happens to them or something like that,
that you just kind of shuffle them off and like
hide them away.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Until they have the baby and then they get placed
up for dubtion.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah. And so later that very same year, in nineteen
seventy one, Eileen's grandmother died of liver failure, and then
her grandfather kicked Eileen out, so she was left to
fend for herself at the age fifteen, and she took
up sex work to survive. She even lived in the woods,
she knows, right, Yeah, yeah, she just went back to
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what she'd been doing from the times she was eleven
and according to the Tampa Bay Times here and this
is a quote, at fifteen, Eileen was left to fend
for herself. She spent nights sleeping in abandoned cars or
seeking the refuge of homes in the area. Family and
neighbors told investigators that's.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like, you know, when you think about that, like they
just left her out to be a wild animal.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Anyhow, Eileen left Michigan, and rightfully so. But she sort
of becomes a vagabond, like she's traveling and she's hitchhiking
across the country.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
On May twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four, Eileen was arrested
in Colorado for a DUI and she was also arrested
for disorderly conduct for firing a pistol out of a
moving car. And so she was then charged with a
f Well, you're to appear in court, so obviously she
never showed it up for that, right, So she's you know,
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hitchhiking across country. She's handling guns and getting into trouble
with the law. I mean, this all just seems like
a bad situation, getting.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Worse, right, Yeah, things are definitely starting to spiral at
this point. And eventually she makes her way down I
seventy five all the way to Florida, and this is
where really most of the story takes place. This is
where Eileen lives when she eventually murders seven men. And
we'll get into that right after we take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I want to point out a few more notable
things that happen with Eileen before her murdering spree begins. First,
in nineteen seventy six, she met and married a sixty
nine year old man named Louis gratz Fell. During their marriage,
Eileen beat Louis with his very own cane, and Louis
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ended up getting a divorce from Eileen and even took
out a restraining order against her. And he would be
quoted as saying, Wernos has a violent and ungovernable temper
and threatened to do bodily harm end quote. What do
we think about this?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's weird. I mean, this marriage clearly doesn't last very
long for a good reason, right, I mean, is I
guess the first case we have of Eileen being incredibly violent,
you know, especially to somebody She's I supposedly romantically involved with.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I wonder how much of that was just survival, right, Yeah,
And you know, things proceeded to go even more downhill
from there. And in nineteen seventy eight, at the age
of twenty two, Eileen attempted suicide by shooting herself in
the stomach. And that wasn't even her first suicide attempt.
I think it was her sixth suicide attempt, her first
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time that she had tried to kill herself she was
only fourteen years old.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, and then at that point it was just seemingly
crime after crime that she was caught for throughout the years.
Just a couple of notable examples, she robbed a convenience
store in nineteen eighty one. She tried to cash forwards
checks at a bank. She was also arrested in Miami
in nineteen eighty six for car theft and for resisting arrest.
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And then also that year she robbed a man at gunpoint,
demanding two hundred dollars. So this is unfortunately Eileen's life.
Now it seems like, well.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's been that way forever. It feels like, yeah, exactly,
She's like.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Now she's resorting to violence, right.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Crime and violence. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely gone to the
next step.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, And everything is spiraling out of control with her, right.
But then she meets someone who is very, very important
in this story. She meets a hotel maid named Tyra Moore.
And for anyone who had didn't seen Monster, she is
portrayed by the great Christina Ricci. And this character that
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Christina Ricci plays, her name is Selby in the movie.
In the movie Monster, But this is really the beginning
of a love story. When she meets Tyra.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, I don't know, but it might have been
the only like glimmer of light in Eileen's life, and
the two of them, you know, begin a very enduring
but very tumultuous and difficult relationship. And Eileen was thirty
and Tira was twenty four years old at this point.
They moved in together not long after meeting, like the
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typical lesbians. I can joke about that because hello, we
do that, you haul really fast. So they of course,
you know, we're living together. And the only way that
Eileen could support Tyra was by doing sex work, and
that's how they survived. You know, I'm sure this was
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hard on them as a couple, But to be honest,
I'm I'm just glad that Eileen had Tira for however
brief a time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
As you alluded to though Russia, this doesn't last very
long because in nineteen eighty nine the murders begin, and
let's go through them in order rather quickly. So on
November thirtieth, a fifty one year old man named Richard
Charles Mallory picked up Eileen in his car, and supposedly
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this is for Eileen to provide him with sexual services.
So Eileen would claim that Mallory tied her to the
steering wheel of his car and raped her. And then
after this assault, she pulls out her gun and shoots
him multiple times. So two of those shots punctured his
left lung, killing him. Eileen then dumped his body in
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the woods nearby. The police wouldn't discover the body until
December thirteenth, a few weeks later, and this is officially
eileen first killing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah. I want to say that Eileen did this first
one in self defense, but as much as I want
to defend Eileen for everything that she's been through, this
happens six more times, not once, not twice, six more times.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, and we only have her account, right, Like, we
don't have anybody else to back the story up or
say that something else happened, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So yeah, just Silene's testimony, right, just Sileen's recollections of this.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
On June first of nineteen ninety, police discovered the naked
body of forty seven year old David Andrew Spears, who
had also been shot to death, and just a few
days later, on June sixth, they found the body of
forty year old Charles Edmund Carkcadon, wrapped in an electric blanket.
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In both of these cases, investigators determined that they had
been killed with a twenty two caliber gun. Was later
spotted driving Carskannan's car, and she had also pawned a
gun that was in his name. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
It just seems like she's not covering any tracks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean she Yeah, I don't think she really had
any concept of covering her tracks, you know. I think
she was just in these very probably desperate situations and
just reacted. I mean that said, like she could have
had the I don't know, the thought to throw evidence away,
maybe not like drive that person's car around. I don't know.
So Anyways, the next victim is Peter Abraham Siams, and
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on July fourth, police find his car, but they never
find his body. To this day, they've actually never found
his body, but Eileen and Tyra had been spotted leaving
his car a few days earlier, and they also find
Eileen's handprint on the inside door handle.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Again not thinking. She probably wasn't even thinking about it.
She was just trying to survive, trying to Oh my god,
I just killed another person. What do I do next?
I mean, I don't know I'm kill her. I don't
know what her mind was like, but yeah, I'm just
thinking about what you were just saying.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And you know she had to, you know, in the moment,
of course, you're not thinking about that, in the hype
of doing all the things that she's done. But eventually
she has to know that it's going to catch up.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
To her, right right, you would think. So, I think
this is where it was a pivotal point in where
everything changed for Eileen. And this is depicted so beautifully
in the movie Monster by Patty Jenkins. And you're just
like riveted, You're like, what is going on? So a
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witness actually sees Eileen and Tyra in you know, Peter
seems car and she sees them get into a car accident,
and they don't ask for help from her. They freak
the f out and take off. So this woman is like,
what just happened? And you see that in the scene
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in the movie, and it actually happened in real life.
So this witness was able to give you know, full
descriptions of Tyra and Eileen to the authorities. And then basically,
I mean we're supposed to say man hunt, but the
woman hunt.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Began, So I mean, yeah, exactly. Up until this point,
there was not really a big connection between all of
these different murders. You know, I think they were sort
of figuring out what was going on eventually, but now
they're seeing like, oh, like these women are probably behind this.
They had the victim's car. You know, a lot of
things are lining up now. So a couple more murders
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happened before they actually catch So the next victim is
fifty year old Troy Eugene Burris. He was found on
August fourth of that year, and victim number six is
Charles Richard Humphries, who was found on September twelfth. And
then the final victim was sixty two year old Walter
Gino Antonio and he was found on November nineteenth. And
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this is nineteen ninety so it's now been a full
year since Eileen started killing.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's just so crazy, all of that in one year,
that's seven victims.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, you know, it doesn't take police very long to
figure out that it is Eileen that has been behind
all of these murders, and they do finally track her down.
And as we said, I mean, Eileen wasn't covering her
tracks very well for that year of all of those murders.
She was pawning her you know, her victim's belongings at
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pawnshops all around Florida, and her fingerprints were actually found
on one of the pawn shop receipts. And then so
once they matched up that print that was on the
pawn shop receipt, authorities put out a warrant for her
arrest finally after that year of her killing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, and of course at this point it's just a
matter of time, right, So finally, on January ninth of
nineteen ninety one, Eileen is arrest did at Last Resort,
which is a biker bar in v Lucia, Florida. So
technically police arrested her for an outstanding warrant for something else.
She was under the assumption that the warrant was related
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to one of the many fake names that she had
been using going around using.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
She didn't think she was getting arrested for murder.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, yeah, I mean, she had no idea that investigators
had linked her to these murders at all, or that
she was under suspicion for them at all. So anyways,
she's arrested, taken into custody, and then we'll talk about
what happens after we take another quick break.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So after the police arrest Eileen on January ninth, they
find Tyra the next day in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where she
I guess she was staying with her sister. They don't
charge her, but they do question her about Eileen's activities.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So I do want to read this quote from Crime
Library about what Tyra told them at that time. And
just side note here, Tyra always called Eileen Lee, so
she's going to be referring to Lee here in this quote.
She had known about the murder since Lee had come
home with Richard Mallory's Cadillac. She said Lee had openly
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confessed that she had killed a man that day, but
Moore told her not to say anything else. I told
her I didn't want to hear about it. She had
her suspicions, she admitted, but wanted to know as little
as possible about Lee's doings. The more she knew, she reasoned,
the more compelled she would feel to report Lee to
the authorities. And she didn't want to do that. I
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was just scared, she said. She always said she'd never
heard me, but then you can't believe her, So I
don't know what she would have done. End quote.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Hmmm, we do know, like Tyra genuinely loved Eileen, you know,
and she wanted to protect her. But I don't know.
Like at the same time, she's saying that you can't
believe her, but she's like, I don't know, right, I'm
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not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Because she knows that she's killed people.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I don't know if Tyra really trusts her or not.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, because you can love someone and not trust them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But as the quote kind of says, she was willfully
ignoring it or like trying not to believe it, right,
which is I think a thing that happens in relationships
that involve some sort of like dark behavior on one
part of the relationship, right, the other person in the
relationship tends to kind of like block it out of
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their head and pretend it's.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Not a problem, right, compartmentalize exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So deep down Tyra knows, but she's trying to like
crush it down, just move along and trust her. But
like deep down knows that like Aileen's probably not trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, that said, police do convince Tied to speak with
Eileen on a recorded phone line, and they persuade her
to confess. In exchange for this, they offer Tira immunity
from prosecution. So the first call happens on January fourteenth,
when Tyra calls Eileen, who is in jail, but Eileen
does not confess at first. In fact, Eileen was under
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the impression, as we said before, that she was only
in jail for a minor weapons violation and a traffic ticket.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I also read that Eileen was speaking in code words
on that entire phone conversation, which obviously suggests that she
knew more about the situation than she led on. I mean,
she she had to have been just playing it cool.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She knew, Yeah, she knew she was being recorded. Yeah,
I mean, she knew that it was only a matter
of time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But on the third day of phone calls, which was
January sixteenth, Eileen finally agreed to confess in order to
protect Tira. So here's another interesting quote from crime Library quote.
Moore became more insistent that the police were after her,
and it became clear that Wernos knew what was expected
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of her. She even voiced suspicion that Moore was not alone,
that someone was there taping their conversations. But as time passed,
she became less careful about what she said. She would
not let Moore go down with her. Just go ahead
and let them know what you need to know, what
they want to know or anything, she said. And I
will cover for you because you're innocent. I'm not going
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to let you go to jail. Listen, if I have
to confess, I will end quote.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Right. So when it comes down to the final decision,
Eileen decides to choose Tira over herself, and she does
ultimately confess. So Eileen goes in to confess, but there
are two big points she insists on. While she is confessing.
One is that Tyra had nothing to do with any
of the murders, and two that none of this was
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any of her fault Eileen's. That is, so, she claims
that all of these murders were done in self defense,
that each of the victims had either assaulted her, threatened her,
or raped her, and this idea becomes essentially the mantra
of Eileen during the entire trial and all of this
process of her defending herself. It is important to note
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that investigators during the confession said that her story kind
of seemed to develop as she told it. So when
she thought she'd said something that was like kind of incriminating,
like when she caught herself, she would like back up
and rewind and be like no, no, no, actually retracked, yeah,
and then she would retell it, changing little details to
kind of like fix it along the way. So it's
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again kind of hard to trust Eileen's account, at least
according to the investigators.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
To me, this was clearly self defense, especially for the
first one. That's my opinion. She was fighting for her
life against violent men who were not trying, but who
had raped her.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But do you think it was self defense? After that? Point,
or you know, do you think like she was making
up the self defense part for the ones after the
first one? And that seems to be a big question
in this case.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You know, that's the difficult thing about this case, is
like you don't really know, but I just have to say,
for me, I feel like the first victim was clearly
self defense. The other six I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So. Yeah, So let's talk about the trials then. So
Eileen's first trial, which is for the murder of Richard
Charles Mallory, begins on January fourteenth of nineteen ninety two.
So because police had already connected her to the other
murders by this point, prosecutors here were able to bring
in all the evidence from those other cases. And this
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is something that's kind of unique to Florida law, which
says that you can actually pull in evidence from other
cases if you can demonstrate that there's a pattern between
all the different cases, right, or that there's a pattern
of behavior evident in comparing all the cases.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Do we are we okay with this law? I'm like,
I'm not really sure, do you know what I mean?
Because it's like, I feel like that first murder was
self defense, but I can see why they're allowed to
bring in other evidence because they're trying to prove that
it was a pattern, because it wasn't only Richard Mallory,
it was Richard Mallory and six other people. But now
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that the jury knew right about all of those murders,
that made Eileen's claim of self defense against Richard way
less probable because it happened six more times. So to
them this looked much more like a serial killer killing spree. Right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, there was also this to consider. The was the
videotaped confession, and to be honest, this didn't really help
the whole self defense case either. So supposedly Eileen appears
very confident and unbothered by the stories of rape and
resulting murder that she was confessing to. So she also
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made apparently quote easy conversation with her interrogators, and she
even told her public defender to be quiet multiple times.
So she apparently just seemed very in control of the
situation throughout. So I don't really know what to make
of that. To me, that's just that account seems very
sexist in nature, like she wasn't emotional enough as a
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woman about these terrible things, like they wanted her to
be more like, oh, no, this is such a terrible
thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I wanted to say, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Mean that said, it's also a bit I don't know,
sociopathic to like, no matter what who you are, to
talk about like murdering people and ever like callus. And
I can see why the jury would hear that and
be like, ooh, this person does not have a lot
of remorse for killing. So you know, I think that's
really what the jury saw here.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, so unsurprisingly, Eileen, like you just said what, The
jury was convicted of first degree murder for killing Richard
Charles Mallory on January twenty seventh. The jury deliberated for
less than two hours before determining she was guilty. And
then as she left the courtroom, Eileen exploded into this
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rageful shouting fit. And this is so incredibly hard for
me to even say these words, but this is coming
from her mouth, and she says, I'm innocent. I was raped,
and I hope you get raped, scumbags of America.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Thankes well. The next phase of her trial was the
penalty phase, and that's to determine what punishment she gets.
The defense argued, that Eileen was quote mentally ill and
suffered from borderline personality disorder, and that her tumultuous upbringing
had stunted and ruined her. So her lawyer basically pleaded
to the jury to save Eileen's life by saying that,
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you know, she was too mentally ill to know what
she was doing. However, this argument really didn't have much
impact on the jury. They pretty quickly recommended the death penalty,
and on January thirty, first Judge Guriel Blunt sentenced Eileen
to death by electric chair for Mallory's murder. Do you
think this was justified? The death penalty?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Is the death penalty ever justified?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know if we want to go there, but
I can go back to like talking about, you know
how she was just thrown away. She was literally thrown
out to fend for herself like a wild child, and she,
you know, was born on that mentality either she was
going to get killed or she was going to kill them, right,
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That was rage that was inside of her.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So I think this is where I'm really torn, right
because I feel so bad for Eileen, because you know,
we always say on this show, you're not born a victim.
But it's almost like she didn't have a chance. You know,
I'm surprised she lived as long as she did without
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killing herself. Yeah, killing herself, killing anyone. I mean, she
did attempt to take her own life, you know, half
a dozen times. Like it's heartbreaking to me, But I
don't believe she should have been killed. I think she
should have been given a chance to get mental health help.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I want to point out something that I think a
lot of people don't think about when it comes to
something like Eileen. She's one of the very few female
serial killers out there, right, there was not a ton
of precedent for someone like Eileen. So when she's going
through this trial, when she's going on the stand, they're
not just viewing her as a serial killer, they're viewing
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her as a woman, right, And so a lot of
their lens is very clouded by perceptions of womanhood, how
a woman should act, and that compounds a lot on
the again, the perceptions of the jury. And so I
think part of her sentence was, you know, based on
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a lot of probably misogyny or at least misunderstanding of
what women go through. And there was just a lot
working against her and A big part of that was
just that people listening to her story or trying to
understand her just had nothing to work.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
With, right. And I wonder too, like with the death sentence,
did they do that to make an example of her.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's a very valid point that you just made, Trevor.
And it's like, you know, the jury, the judge, they
all have this kind of cookie cutter image of what
a woman is supposed to be, right, and that is
not what they were looking at, you know, in their eyes.
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They weren't looking at you know, what this woman had endured,
you know, her whole life. They were looking at, you know, well,
this is this is a monster.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And I do wonder, like just theoretically, like what if
it was only the first murder, what if it had
just been Richard Charles Mallory, Like, would she still had
been convicted the same way or not? And my theory
is that she would have really because I think to
that jury and that judges, it didn't matter if it
was one man, didn't matter, if it was seven, it
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didn't matter, if it was self defense, didn't matter, if
it was cold blooded, you know, thrill of the kill.
I think, to them, a woman who was out of control,
and who killed who was had the lifestyle that she
had was already condemned, you know before she walked in
that courtroom.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Wow, especially especially during that time. You're absolutely right, Trevor,
and in Florida. Yep, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So on March thirty first, it was decided that Eileen
would not stand trial again, and Eileen pleaded no contests
to the other murders, and she pleaded no contests to
the murders of Charles Richard Humphries, Troy Eugene Burris, and
David Andrew Spears. In a statement about this, Eileen would say, quote,
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I wanted to confess to you that Richard Mallory did
violently rate me as I've told you, But these others
did not. They only began to start to end.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So yeah, there you go. So that that changes the
game right there.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
So in total, even though we believe Eileen killed seven men,
she ends up with only six total death sentences. And
that's because the seventh death sentence couldn't be carried out
for the murder of Peter Abraham, seems because his body,
like Trevor said, was never found.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So Eileen's lawyers spent much of the next decade trying
to appeal her sentences, but apparently Eileen wasn't interested in
having her sentence changed. In fact, in two thousand and one,
Eileen petitioned to have her lawyers dismissed and cancel all
of her penning the pills.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
She just gave up.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, exactly. This is a quote. This is what she said.
She said, I killed those men. I rob them as
cold as ice, and I do it again too. There's
no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I
kill again. I have hate crawling through my system. That's heavy.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah. And one thing that did happen is she requested
that her method of execution be changed to lethal injection
instead of electric chair. And I think rightfully so. And
the Florida Supreme Court did agree to all those requests
that you laid out, Yvetts, so they dismissed the appeals
and her lawyers.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
On October ninth, two thousand and two, Eileen Wrenos was
executed by lethal injection at Florida State Prison. She declined
a last meal, just asking for one single cup of
coffee instead. In her final statement before her execution, she
seemed to accept her fate, and I'll be honest, I
(41:43):
googled it, I tried to look it up. I was
trying to decipher this last quote that I lean left
with the world, and I couldn't make sense of any
of it. But I'm going to read it to you
and maybe you can figure it out, and please tell
me if you do. Quote, I'd just like to say,
I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like
Independence Day with Jesus June sixth, like the movie Big
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Mothership and all I'll be back. End quote.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So my understanding is that the last few years of
Eileen's life she was not well mentally right, so maybe
there is some sense to be made here, But I
kind of when I read that, I chalked it off
to Okay, those are the last semblances of lucidity coming through.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
So yeah, Well after those words, Eileen was pronounced dead
at nine forty seven PM. She was the first woman
to ever be executed in the state of Florida, and
only the tenth woman to ever be executed in the
entire country since capital punishment had been restored in the
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United States in nineteen seventy six. She was cremated and
her ashes were spread in Michigan by lifelong friend Don Botkins,
and the song Carnival by Natalie Merchant was played at
Eileen's funeral.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
There's a lot more to talk about here about Eileen's
life and the way that she was treated, and we're
going to do a deep dive into that on the
next episode when we sit down with our friend, our Ohanna,
Miss Patty Jenkins, so please please stay tuned for that
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for this week's EMUA. There are two sides to this
to think about. First of all, most importantly, we want
to remember those whose lives were taken violently, the victims
in this terrible case, and their families.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
But we also want to recognize that Eileen was a
victim herself, a victim of jenn generational abuse and generational trauma.
That she was undoubtedly a product of the system that
she was born into.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
But with proper resources and a more carrying upbringing, Eileen
might have got the help she needed. But instead she
was subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, and that
set her on the crash course to becoming a monster.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And we hope that people think about the consequences that
their actions have on others. Break the cycles of trauma
of abuse and instead of blame, try to seek understanding
and love onward and upward. Emua, emua. Well, that's our
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show for today. Make sure to tune in for our
next episode where we interview the amazing Patty Jenkins. Well.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
As always, we'd love to hear what you thought about
today's discussion and if there is a case that you
would like us.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
To cover, find us on social media at Facing Evil
Pod or email us at Facingable Pod at tenderfoot dot tv.
And one request, if you haven't already, please find us
on iTunes and give us a review and a good rating.
If you like what we do, your support is always cherished.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Until next time. Aloha.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Facing Evil is a production of iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV.
The show is hosted by Russia Pacuerero in a Vet Schintila,
Matt Frederick and Alex Williams, our executive producers on behalf
of iHeartRadio, with producers Trevor Young and Jesse Funk, Donald
Albright and Payne Lindsay, our executive producers on behalf of
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Tenderfoot TV, alongside producer Tracy Kaplan. Researcher is Claudia Dafrico,
original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. Find us on
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