414.5: A Conversation with Anne Brodzinsky

Zach's mom pays the pod a visit to discuss her new book, "The Falling Down Time: One Child's Story about Divorce" and share some incredible stories from Zach's childhood.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I guapo, Oh did you get a hair cut? Did
you get a little trim? Trim? Man, I'm working on
a show right now. I'm always getting haircuts. You look good.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow smoke, but you're
looking fine. You can blow smoke if you want you.
I will blow smoke all over you, oh boy, and

(00:20):
I will watch it ripple all open my curves, all
through your crevices and nooks. We need to get this
out because we're about to invite my mom on the show.
Any naughty talk needs to come out right now. Okay, Well,
I'm gonna say this. Your mom's book made me cry.
I mean too, dude. It made me cry a lot.
Like I was sitting there like, wow, this is you know,

(00:41):
and I just read it before we did the show.
So as I was walking up the stairs, I was like,
get your shit together, buck, tell her that because that'll
really move her. And of course it made me cry too.
We today, guys are gonna have my mom on the
show and welcome, welcome, welcome, and we um we're we're
gonna be shifting a little bit because Donald and I

(01:01):
are both going back to work. So um o our
one year pandemic. Job is going to have to shift
a little bit. We're doing this on a Sunday afternoon.
Thank you Joel and Dale for accommodating us, and um
and and then and then we're gonna have a big
old party with the live show, which is a Friday,
the twenty six, So we're skipping an episode, but we're

(01:22):
gonna come back to it later on. I guess that's
what's gonna happen. Yes, if you have a ticket to
the live show, technically you will still get two shows
this week. I'm just saying you have. So please don't
yell at us for going back to one show here
and there, because we just can't. This has been so
awesome And don't think we don't love doing it, but
we're so thrilled that we actually have a chance to

(01:45):
do some of the work we really do love to entertain.
You are acting and and um and so we're going
back to work for reels. Yes, yes, yes, but we're
gonna keep the show going because we love doing it.
So it's just gonna it might not be twice a
week all the time. Um, it might just be once
a week. We also want to have the fun of
folding in special guests like Donald's mom and my mom

(02:06):
and lots of Um, we talked to all the stuff
we've told you about about people from the show, the
stand ins. Um, Joel is working on contacting the stand
ins and some fun crew members and all that stuff. UM.
So I just wanted to let's just go through a
couple logistics for the live show, because I did see
there were tons of questions on my Instagram, and I'm
sure Donald's years as well. UM. I'm off Twitter, but Joel,

(02:27):
I'm sure you're getting Twitter questions, so fill in any blanks. Um.
The answer is, it is totally not globe. What do
they call that global locked? Geo locked? What's that term?
I don't know it. I don't know, I don't know what. Well,
some people ask if it's geo whatever. The point is,
you can watch it anywhere stad Um, Kenya, Italy, the Uzbekistan.

(02:52):
Probably not North Korea. I'm guessing I'm sure you could
if if you if you were in Waconda. It's playing
in Waconda, Yes, Conda, It's available everywhere. It's available. Now,
you might say, but Zach and Donald and Joel and Daniel,
I can't stay up in the middle of the night.
That's fine. If you buy a ticket, you can then
listen until April second or right, Joel, Yes, it's a

(03:15):
full week after it premieres, so I believe. There you go,
so you get a week to listen to it, or sorry,
watch it. Watch it now. We have been outfitted with
dope mega cameras, so we're gonna look so pretty. We're
gonna look as we're gonna look our prettiest. Also, Donald
and I are both getting in shape to act, so
we look as handsome as we've ever looked. Well, I
don't look as handsome as I've ever looked. I'm on

(03:38):
the road. You're looking good, buddy, You're looking fine. You
looking fly. You are a gentleman and a scholar. There's
going to Bill Lawrence is our is our main guest.
He's very excited. He called me with so many questions
from London. He's returning. He'll be returning from ted Lasso
production to come be on our show. And and that's it.

(04:00):
I think it's going to be roughly two hours what
we're aiming for. It'll be if you're in North America,
it will be six on the West coast nine on
the East Coast, and of course for all the other countries.
You just have to google the time difference between you
and Los Angeles, um, and you can watch it live
and if you're in the middle of the night and
it's asleep, you can watch it the next day or
blah blah blah blah blah, do well anything. I'm forgetting

(04:21):
to explain to people that might have questions, I don't think.
So some'clock you guys can come in. We saw people
in the chat already. Yeah, the chat isn't up and running,
so go for yours. Not that we'll be up in there,
but no, no, no, there'll be other fake doctor's, real
friends fans in there. So if you ll talk with
your with your peers, go right ahead. The sound machine

(04:46):
will be labeled so I won't accidentally hit the wrong thing.
Wo tank forever and um forever. All right, let's go
ahead and let's invite my mom and the show. Yeah,
let's count said baby, five, six, seven, eight stories about
shore we made about a bunch of docs and nurses.

(05:09):
Jan I said, here's the stories. Never should so yetto
around you. Here are yeadoo around you here at oh
my God, I'm nervous. Hi, Hi, mommy, Hi. I'm just

(05:35):
making sure I'm doing this right. Mom. Don't worry about
ninety eight percent of the people we have on have
trouble connecting, So don't worry, especially Sarah Chuck for some reason. Yeah,
Sarah Chuck every single time, Well every time, you've been
good company. Yeah yeah, yeah to Donald, because I haven't
really said hi, sweetheart, how a Hi, how are you?

(05:55):
It's good to see you and to see you too,
right on before we're all off and everything. I gotta
get my wife up here because she's gonna want to
say hi too. She found out you were on the show,
she was like, don't let me, don't forget to come
he tell my mom. We're gonna get to her book.
But tell my mom what you said the second you
got on Your book made me cry, like weep, like cry.
I had a really strong emotional response to it. No,

(06:20):
that's an interesting, Donald, because that's why I couldn't get
it published by traditional publishers. They said that parents wouldn't
buy it because it was too sad. Oh. I didn't
think it was too sad. I just I never really
looked at it from the kid's point of view. I always,
you know, being a divorced parent, you always look at
it from your point of view and how you know,

(06:41):
how you feel, And it just broke my heart that
the kid was hurting for a little bit, but she
had such amazing parents that they were willing to work
it out. And it wasn't like that when my parents
got divorced, you know what I mean. And it wasn't
like that when I got divorced, and it was so
it was so refreshing to see a family that was

(07:02):
able to do it. And so it wasn't like some
of it was sad, but some of it was like joy,
like wow, like you know, if they could get this together,
you know, maybe I could have gotten it together. Well,
I wanted next, I wanted the parents to be kind
of a model for parents reading the book. Yeah, so
they could say, well, what could we try any of this?

(07:24):
Could we try something? You know? Yeah, as it really is,
you know, there's a lot of research on this, and
it really is better for the kids if the parents
can remain respectful to each other and generous to each other. Well,
let's let's just dive right into this because it's just
happening naturally. Um, we want to talk to my mom
because she's my mom and when I and we love

(07:46):
her obviously Donald and Donald's like a part of the family.
And um, but and and talk about my mom's experience
of what Scrubs was like from her point of view,
and maybe some funny childhood stories. But the first thing
we want the things we wanted to have her on
was my mom is a wonderful psychologist who's occasionally I
give out words of her wisdom to all of you listeners.

(08:09):
And when I was a child, she wrote a popular
children's book about adoption for children called The Mulberry Bird.
Um and UM. If you have an adopted child, I
can obviously highly recommend that book. It has been it's
very very popular for adopted families. But recently, my mom,

(08:29):
as she will discuss and tell us, UM, noticed that
there she was having trouble finding the right book to
discuss divorce with your child roughly ages six to ten,
m and and decided that she would set about to
write one herself. So what is it, Mom that you
m that you thought wasn't out there for for parents?

(08:51):
You know, I don't remember when when you and Dad
got divorced, really any children's books that were I mean,
obviously you were skilled as a psychologist to handle it
as best as you could. But tell me, tell everyone
in us what came to your mind when you said,
I want to create something that will help parents talk
to their children. Well, it's a similar story as as

(09:14):
existed for the mulberry bird, and that is a story
that tells the child what happened with the birth mother.
And there were no books for children about adoption at
that time, and there's still very few where the birth
mother's story is told, and that's the story the child
really wants to hear. So when I thought about the
Falling Downtime, I thought, well, the children's books that exist

(09:38):
for divorced divorcing parents to read now are based on
the parents wish for the child to be okay. The
parents profound wish that they aren't hurting their child, and
so they're all pretty cheerful, like it's going to be okay,
You're going to have more toys, you're going to have
another bedroom, you're going to go to do this and that,

(10:00):
and it's all very um. You might be sad, but
it's all going to be fine. Yeah, so I thought
I wanted to write a book from the child's perspective,
which would first of all, show what the child remembers
everything being all right, and for for a child, that's
what they remember, and suddenly, for some reason, things are

(10:24):
not all right and they don't know why. Yeah, it
was it. That was also what I think triggered my
emotional response. Everything was so vivid and the memories were
so vivid in the beginning, you know, remember, yes, so
specific and like it was like fresh and in the

(10:46):
child's head. And then all of a sudden there was
the shift, and the kid didn't know what it was,
but just everything wasn't the same. And yeah, and I
imagine they very often and internalize that and make it
that they did something wrong. That's a very common response

(11:06):
for children to have, is that this strange thing is
happening and their parents. I think one of the reasons
they they think they've done something wrong is their parents
become quieter and sadder and more distant. And these observations
sort of resemble when their mom or dad has been
mad at them in the past, So they think, oh,

(11:27):
I've done something. Surely this couldn't have happened, just out
of the blue, I must have done something. Children are
very egocentric. They think that the world revolves around them.
I never thought of it in the context before of like, oh,
when they're behaving the same way to behave when they're
mad at me, because they've gotten quiet and there and
they're not as I don't know, silly and effusive or

(11:50):
whatever the exactly exactly. So that is why I wrote
the book. And the book is called The Falling Down Time,
One Child Story about divorce, and it is available on Amazon,
and it was written by my mom, and it is
the talk a little bit to mom about people who say, well,

(12:11):
you know, I'm hearing Donald say he cried. I'm hearing
you guys say you were emotional. What do you say
to the parent who say, well, I don't I don't
want to face my child's sadness about this. I want
the you know. I imagine parents are nervous about doing
the honest, sort of emotional children's book as opposed to
the chipper one you know about You'll have two sets

(12:33):
of toys. Yeah, well, that's a really good question, because
that is a challenge for parents. It's a really big
challenge for people who are divorcing to be able to
say what can I possibly do that would be good
for my child? And what you can do. One of
the things you can do is let them feel what

(12:53):
they're feeling. Don't hold it, don't don't don't don't don't
push those feelings away, right, And it is going to
do as a parent. You are going to feel terrible
about this at times, but something terrible is happening in
your life and in their life, and to pretend that
that's different is really a kind of abandonment. Really, it's

(13:16):
kind of walking away from the child into into what
you need. And it really isn't about what you need
right now, it's what your child needs. Yeah, it's like
the parent doesn't want to deal with the emotion because
that's really hard. So but you're saying that that's you can't.
You can't abandon the child's emotions. You have to face

(13:38):
it straight on. Yeah you can. You can abandon them,
but it isn't good for them right right. Yeah, it's
very it's you know, it's very interesting. My kids and
I we had a really rough time after my ex
wife and I got divorced, and we're all good now.
But I can I remember thinking, oh, there's probably never

(14:00):
going to see each other again, or we're probably never
going to talk again. I remember we talked about that
at some time at some point. And now, I mean,
now my kids live with me, and you know, it's
it's it's amazing how things shifted. But I do at
the end of the book, when you know, when when

(14:22):
the child gives encouragement to other kids. You know, from
what I understand, a lot of kids go through this
and they all turned out pretty well. That was also
one of those moments like, yes, you're absolutely right, and
I got emotional about that because my kids are with
me now, and I remember there was a moment when
that wasn't a possibility and I didn't see and I
couldn't see that light at the end of the tunnel.

(14:43):
And now, you know. I think one of the things
that's so special about your book, too, Mom, is, like
like Donald said, it like an episode of The Simpsons
in a comedic way, is funny to kids on a
kid level, and adults are getting stuff that's going over
their head. I feel like the Falling Downtime is is
good for for both parents and kids. The kids are
going to get their version of the story and the parents,

(15:04):
like Donald's is saying, as a parent of divorce children
is going to get their emotional but sort of a
guide book in a small sense of how how you
could behave in a healthy way for the for the child,
but told from a children child's point of view, which
I thought was really really well done. Thank you, thank you.
That's my whole. Yeah, you're such a good writer too.

(15:24):
And I know you're saying, listener that I'm biased, but
she is such a good writer. My mom, how about this,
get the book? How about this, go out, get the
book and then being a judge for yourself. All right,
how about that? Get the book. It's on Amazon. But
my mom's the kind of person that will write you
like a thank you note and you've got like tears
in your eyes because it's so beautiful. You're such a
good writer. Um, let's segue a bit, mom and talk

(15:46):
about Um what what zat's talk about? Zachly, Yeah, let's
switch to me enough about the book to me, No,
but I thought I thought that, you know, for listeners
who who are here because they love the show Scrubs,
it might be interesting from from your perspective. You know,
what was it. What was it like? Do you remember
the day I called you and said, you know, I've
been trying to be an actor since I was a child.

(16:07):
And we can talk about that too, but do you
remember the day and what your feelings were? I had
six callbacks for scrubs? Do you remember that whole process?
I do. I do remember, and it was very, very exciting.
Um And the interesting thing is, I look back on it,
it was hard for me to put it into a
context because to me, you had been successful at that

(16:31):
point for a long time. And I didn't really until
you helped me understand it, realize what a big deal
it was. Hey, why did you think I'd been successful
for a long time when i'd been when I was
a waiter when I got the part. I mean not
to dis waiters, but I was. I was. I was
barely surviving on money. But this success for me was
not about money. It was about your abilities and your

(16:54):
talent and and and you had been getting callbacks since
you were fourteen years old, a lot of callbacks. You've
been auditioning from that age, and people were calling us
in to talk to us and tell us maybe you
weren't going to get the part. But you were fantastic,
and so we were hearing as parents that you were very,
very talented, and I really only I honestly thought it

(17:18):
was only a matter of time. Oh really, you never
told me that i'd like to hear that. Yeah, I
didn't know. I didn't know. I mean, it's so stressful
for parents. And I'm sure if you're a parent listening
and your child is pursuing the arts, you know you
want to support them and you want to love them,
and of course you want them to follow their dreams,
but there has to be nerves like, oh, I hope
that they can make a living at this. Of course, Okay,

(17:39):
but how do you handle it if your kid doesn't
have it and you're getting the feedback of well this
might not be yeah, but you But that's up to
the child, I mean the child, the young adult, or
the adult to decide when to give up. You get
the parent, I mean, I we're talking. I'm telling the
psychologist what to think, but it seems to me the
parent can't decide that. You have to let the kid

(18:00):
or the young adult figure that out. But there has
to be some honesty in there too, Exactly, don't you
have to be like, okay, well, I'm not trying to
crush your dreams. They said, I'm a butt, but they
said you don't got what it takes, baby, and that
you should probably think about going into sanitation, Like what

(18:20):
doesn't have to be sanitation? Well, I always I always
thought that, I've said this on the show. I always
My plan was always I'm gonna give it my all,
but if not, I will do something in production. And
I say this to people again, I'll say it now.
If you're pursuing the arts and you know your backup
doesn't have to be being an orthodonist, which is always
what I pick as the my random career. It could
be something and you can still work in filmmaking and

(18:42):
TV making. You might not be the star in front
of the camera, but you'll you can be in the process.
I'm sorry, mom, you go, you go. How do you
How does a parent deal with this? Well, there's a
couple of things on table here. One is Donald's question
about how do you help a child when you really
you know, you'll look at each other and say, this
isn't happening. You know, I think conversations about that that

(19:05):
aren't really like, well, why don't you go into something else.
But let's talk about a whole lot of things you
could do with what you know how to do. Let's
make a list, And that segues into what Zach is
saying is that if your child is wanting to be
a dancer but isn't a good enough dancer to be
making a living at it, well there's a lot of

(19:27):
things that's around dancing and performing and those kinds of
things could be doing an usher. No, Mom, I think
I have this in my mind because you always probably
help me, help me figure this out, which is like,
you know, there's a there's a myriad of things you
can do that aren't the exact thing aimed for that goal.

(19:49):
But then but then have things lower on the on
the pyramid that are things you you will be skilled
at at that point that you can also do. I
don't think that you. I don't think that I help
you figured that out. I'm going to tell a story
now from a long time ago that you've heard before
and Donald probably has, and this illustrates that you knew

(20:11):
from a very early age that there were other things.
When you were seven years old, for your birthday, you
asked us if we would buy you were curtains to
hang in the TV room center of the TV room.
Oh my god. And well the curtain guy, the curtain

(20:31):
guy must have been like, wait, what in the mid
really want the curtain? Do you remember? It was? He like,
you want to put a curtain in the middle of
I don't remember that. But you also said that was
not the only gift you wanted clip on lights from
the hardware story. You wanted a light board, lighting board.

(20:55):
Did they have a home lighting board for kids? You made?
I did, by the way, Donald listen, I made one.
What I did was she got me the clip on lights,
and I took I took multiple um time. You know
those things that are meant to go in. Yeah, I
don't know the thing you put. If you're in the

(21:16):
old days when you were going away and you wanted
your lights to go on and off the timer, so
I would rig the clip on lights with gaels on
them to those timer lights and I could flick the
switch on the timers. That's true, Sorry, mom, go ahead. No,
it really was true that you knew at that age,
you were seven years old, that there was something exciting

(21:38):
about the theater and about performing, and then you engaged
your siblings in making dramas, and you called it the
Braffrodzinski Theater. And you actually sold tickets when we had
the dinner party. You did say, could I You were

(21:58):
out on the front court tickets trying to make that money.
I got that hustle early, Donald. My mom's just trying
to have a dinner party. I'm out front charging tickets
to a play that the guests don't want to go to.
Can you imagine? Can you imagine you go to your
friend's house for dinner and they ken You're like, oh,

(22:19):
it's cute. He's selling tickets to the show. And then
dinners over You're like, wait, what we really have to
go to go to the show? Well, you were selling
tickets to the guests for dinner. Were you just selling
tickets to rent people walking down the street? Oh? No,
guests for dinner. But little did they know that they
had come to dinner. After dinner, there would be a play.
And they weren't always short plays, right mom. Sometimes they

(22:44):
had gravitas and death. They were a little bit convoluted
at chimes. Yes, and you're two younger sisters. Your older
sister and your younger sister were a cast of characters,
so you didn't have too much to work. Oh my god,
I remember this, mom, and I gotta tell you just
another kudos to you for being a great mom that

(23:06):
when I said, can I have a curtain in the
middle of the TV room, you said yes? And we
did so many plays we had. By the way, if
you have a child and you don't have to put
it in the middle of the room, or if they
have a playroom, you could put it like one third
of the way through the room. But I gotta tell you,
this curtain that was, you know, probably not super expensive.
We got so much joy from just the idea of

(23:29):
we're putting on a show and we can pull the
curtain and do a show. And then the big feature
of it was it had to be a curtain. You Yeah,
that's what it was. We got so many hours of
joy out of that damn curtain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think you know. I was also into the tech, you know,
as you know, I was into the technical theater. So
these these these shows would sometimes have elaborate set changes

(23:52):
that the audience would have to wait while me and
my little sister were changing the set behind the curtain. Okay,
so let me ask you a question. You knew you
wanted to be in theater, you knew you wanted to
be a performer of some sort. When did you realize

(24:13):
you wanted to tell stories too? Though? When was that?
When did that become part of the it's a good question.
I have an early memory of standing in front of
I think it was fifth grade. We had been given
an assignment that we were going to read a story.
I may have told this before in the podcast, right.
We were told to read a story, and then we
were going to read. Those who swanted to could read
it in front of the classroom. And I wrote my story,

(24:35):
and I included the characters in my story were kids
in the class, So I made them the prota, certain
kids in the class that were you know, popular or
everybody liked. I kind of made them the protagonists. And
then when I it was funny, And when I read
the story, the whole class, including the teacher, were belly laughing,
And I remember like looking up being like this feeling.

(24:58):
I wrote this at my desk and all of these kids,
including that teacher, are cracking up. Is like was like
a Eureka moment for me, like, oh, I want to
keep doing this like this, not only performing it, but
the fact that these are my thoughts that I said,
Naima Johnson did something, you know, funny on this adventure

(25:19):
that I'd made up. Whatever it was, it was a
great It was a great feeling. And I think that
that that it's sort of just kind of dovetailed into
all the things I was doing, the community, theater, the
camp and stuff like that. Did you get a lot
of calls from school about how creative your son was?
And um, when he was in school, Um, he didn't
do a lot of theater. He did theater camp in

(25:42):
the summer. But one story I do remember is when
he was in high school, he was very active in
the television and radio station they had at the high school.
A what was it? What did you call it? Um, Well,
in college it was called RTVF. I forgot what the
what the high version of them, which is where you
rolling the TV the av squad. I told everyone to

(26:05):
Mom about how I was when I was younger. I
was I thought I was so cool because I was
on the I was on the team that would roll
the projectors into the classroom, and I I just I
thought I was Fonzie. I just thought there was nobody
cooler than me because I was wheeling that projector into
the classroom. There you are, I mean, yeah, but I
go ahead, tell them tell the story about itself. The
story is that there was a news program that um

(26:30):
was on a local station, you know, that they had
in the community, and so they did a real news program.
I think every week, Sack, I don't know, something like that. Yeah, anyway,
I remember it was Channel thirty five. Yes, and you
were I guess for a series of them or a
couple of them. You were the director. Yeah, and uh

(26:53):
you won Director of the Year at in high school
that year, my first award for directing. Yes, and this
is one of the moments I remember being very proud
of you. And it's happened since then, but this was
one of the first. The man who ran the program
came over to me afterwards and said, you have no

(27:13):
idea how wonderful he is with all the people who
are doing this program. He's talking to them through the
microphone and telling them they're doing a great job. He's
telling them that was wonderful. I love that when they
make a mistake, he's telling them, don't worry. He's whispering
to them and he said, I never saw anything like that.

(27:35):
So it made me very proud of you as a person.
You brought tears to my eyes, Mom, because I love
that you told that story. But also I was a
very happy time. You know, I did feel quite alienated
in high school. As you know. I had friends and everything,
but I just couldn't I wasn't into sports, and I
couldn't find my thing. And in that TV group I
found my people, and in directing, I found a thing

(27:56):
that really lit me up. And I really happy member
reads from being there. So I just have to say
one more thing that every time I visit one of
your sets, you've been going for a while, you all
know each other, the thing is humming, and somebody, at
least one person often more come over to me and say,
your son is running a beautiful set here. We all

(28:19):
love each other and we love him and that's a
beautiful thing. And that started with that director in high school. Yeah,
mister Mullen, Yeah, yeah, shout out, mister Mullen. I bet
you never thought, never thought you'd get a shout out,
mister mullin. But mister Mullen, I don't know if you'll
listen to the Truthfully, I'm not even I'm not even

(28:41):
sure if he's still with us. But he was a
wonderful teacher. And uh, and it was a great experience.
Um wow, I wonder if any of my teachers listen
to our podcast. If you do. And you failed me,
and you thought I wasn't going to amount to anything
in your face so much? Yeah, and your face. I

(29:03):
remember I had a teacher that my charms didn't work
on her, and she she this was at the height
of family ties, I think, and and I thought I
thought I was I thought I was a little like
Alex P. Keaton and and but this is so she
she came. We were all waiting outside the class, and
she showed up late. And I think I was like
trying to be like a funny wise ass and I

(29:25):
was like pointing to my watch, like and she turned
to me and she said, Zach, I'm really not into
the whole Alex P. Keaton thing. Oh I never forgot
that that had to feel good. It hurt my feelings
that I that she didn't think my Alex P. Keaton
esque charm was charming. But I but, um, but the

(29:47):
fact that you the fact that she knew that you
were doing Alex P. Keaton without you being like I'm
doing Alex P. Keaton. No, I mean I'm saying I
try to be. That was silver lining right there. The
silver line is freaking. I'm a genius actor because I impressionist,
because I was playing a character and you picked up
one it. Yes, you got what I was going with. Um, Um,

(30:10):
wait what I was thinking about something? What are we
talking about? Right before that? Um? We were talking about you?
But yeah, I blank tongue. Um, so mom, what was
it like? No, but go go back to obviously, Well,
I wanted to talk about Scrubs. Um, you do you
remember when I called you? You were I think you
were the first call I made when I because when
I after my sixth audition for Scrubs, I had a

(30:33):
Motorola star Tech if you recall those, and I put
it on the I had been told that I will
know sooner, i'd know probably today or tomorrow, and I
put the Motorola star Tech I remember, on the passenger
seat of my Nissan two forty SX, and I just
started driving on the one on one Freeway and my
phone rang and it was I believe it was Bill Lawrence,

(30:57):
who said, I'm I'm not supposed to tell you because
every other people want to tell you, but you got it,
and I'm so excited, and I was freaking out, and
I said, you know, I knew that you would be
my first call. So do you do you remember that
moment at all? You I do remember the call exactly,
and I remember I didn't know about all the callbacks.
I didn't know the process at all, because I think

(31:18):
you were kind of holding back because it was very big,
and I don't think you wanted to get us all excited,
you know, yeah, and then be disappointed. Um, And there's
nothing like that phone call when you got to tell
your mom. I didn't get to part, so I'm sure.
I know. I think I had turned, but with both

(31:39):
of my parents, I think I'd got into a place.
You know, I was waiting tables. I was in a lull.
You know, being an actor, there's highs and lows at
all stages. And at this stage, I had gotten some
indies and I had gotten some stuff, but I was
kind of at a lull. I was working as a waiter,
and I didn't wanted them to get excited before there
was any you know, so I would. I would even
if I even when I was six auditions in, I
was probably minimizing it because I didn't want to disapp

(32:00):
point them, you know, yes, yes, but it was very,
very exciting. And then what I think happened was that
it grew on me. You know, I began to realize
over a period of days and even weeks, what this
was going to be the first season. You know, we
didn't know, of course, that it would be many seasons.

(32:22):
And then the you know, it started to do very well.
You know, the ratings were extremely good, and it was exciting,
very very exciting. And I remember bringing Sarah home. We
were going to the upfronts, which we've talked about here
a bunch of times, and Sarah came over to the house,
and you everyone instantly fell in love with Sarah, as
you do in real life. And I remember at one point,

(32:46):
you know, I had had girlfriends that weren't exactly helping
around the house that much as as a mom would
would like. And I remember Sarah was over just as
a friend, but there she was at the kitchen sink
doing dishes from dinner her and she called out, she
was like, did anyone let the dog out, and my
mom was like, I love her. Remember that. I remember

(33:11):
Sarry doing the dishes and calling over the water, did
anyone let the dog out? And my mom training and
be like, I love her. Oh my god, you can
marry her right now? I know. Well she is, uh,
she is quite a catch, and and we we miss her.

(33:32):
She's coming on the show a bunch, but we don't
see it that much because she's in Canada. Well, tell
me about do you remember visiting set for the first time?
What that was like? Yes, because it was like nothing
I had ever done before in my life. You know,
I'd never seen a set of that size and complexity.
And wait pause, look who it is? She is, my sweetheart.

(33:57):
Ah you, I'm good. How are you? I'm good, I'm good.
It's wonderful to see your face. Well, thank you. I
just took my anti aging face led mat Oh that's
why you look fourteen. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
It works in the closet and phones on. Yeah, Mom,

(34:19):
I don't know if you know that. I know you
listen to the show sometimes, but this is this is
Donald's a home studio in their walking closet. I definitely
know about the closet this beautiful. Yeah, we always get
to see when when when you've picked up the dry cleaning. Yeah,
I was actually thinking about it this morning. I was like,
I need to redo the closet for this live show.
Now that we have now that we have HD cameras,

(34:42):
everything is more, everything's gonna be clearer. Oh my god,
that's so scary. We gotta figure something out this week.
And congratulations's so cute. I love looking at the online
They're just adorable. Oh, they're ready to come visit you
whenever you want. Oh, that would be so good. Now
out of this terrible time that we are all in

(35:02):
and we can know. I know we miss you so much.
We haven't seen you in so long. Last time we
saw you was like Zach's birth, like a little bit
after was it. I know it's will it will have
been over a year. Probably. My birthday is April sixth,
coming up, those of you who want to shower me
with presents, No, we know, we know everybody in your calendar,

(35:24):
a case on my calendar every year. All right, we
gotta go because we will call you. Okay, I love you.
Tell my mom that she's wonderful. I tell her all
the time. I tell her on Instagram all the time.
We liked each other from the first moment. Yes, all
because Casey's the kind of woman who'll say did anyone

(35:45):
let the dog out? Now, Casey won't say did anyone
let the dog out? She's not. I don't even know
what that means. It wasn't there. Um, So we have
a call her. Guys, we should go to break first.
Let's go to go to break and then we're gonna
take a caller that Joelle found to ask my mom
a question about talking to your children when you're going

(36:07):
through a very shitty thing called the divorce. We'll be
right back after these messages and any by back by,
all right, we're back. We're back. We're back back, and
Joelle bringing the caller to answer the caller's question, Say

(36:31):
hello to Chrissie Martel. Give it up for Chrissy Martei.
Where is your thunderous applause? Chrissie, we're giving you thunderous applause?
So excited. I this is like a dream come true.
Oh you're very sweet. We're so happy that you're here
and uh and that you're willing to come on and uh,

(36:52):
so you've got you see Joelle and Daniel. Um, I
don't know where the boxes are for you. That's Donald
who you recognize. And that beautiful woman with the scarf
is my mom in Hello. It's so I'm just honored
to meet you. It's so exciting. That's amazing. Well, we're
glad have you. Where are you calling from, Chrissy, Aurora, Illinois,
a western suburb of Chicago, Chicago in the house. Okay,

(37:15):
I know why Joel got you on the line. Chicago
natives stick together. You Illinois girls stick together. Yes, Illinois.
If you if you're from Illinois and you write in,
you're way more likely to get picked if you brag
about loving Illinois in the subject. Just brag about that,
or brag about Northwestern one or the other. Well, I
don't read them, Joel do so you have to. Maybe

(37:35):
you could say that you love rebels, you love Ganja,
you love all things that Joel might enjoy. Ps. Five.
Ganja's legal here now, so you know. Oh, welcome to
the club New Jersey too. By the way, all right, listen, Chrissy.
We had you on because we have the gift of
having a brilliant child psychologist here who's written a new

(37:58):
book called The Falling Downtime, which is aimed to help
children roughly six to ten mom deal with helping helping
parents talk to their children. And we had you on
because I understand that you're going through a divorce and
have children of this age, and we thought maybe you
could ask my mom a question that would help facilitate

(38:19):
more conversation for people that are in a similar place. So,
so go ahead with your question. I would love to um,
is it doctor Bradzynski? Yes, say and but please call
it well and it's it's a pleasure. So yes, I
am going through divorce. I am also a divorce attorney,
so I was telling Joel, I'm going the DIY route

(38:41):
representing myself. But you know, it's it is what it is.
And this has been a tough year for a lot
of parents, and a lot of parents of kids with
special needs, which I happen to be. I have two children,
ages four and a half and three. He's actually Oscar.
He's going to be turning three on Tuesday. So they

(39:02):
are a handful. They're awesome boys, they are autistic, and
you know, it's just tough sometimes and so parenting can
be difficult, but really, what I care most about is them,
and I think that's what I always tell my clients.
The most important thing is the best interests of the children,

(39:22):
making sure they're okay. And so my question is, you know,
when I am with my boys and they're a little
bit younger than your target audience, but as they grow,
you know, these things will probably be important too. They're
too young for this book, yeah, okay, Well when they
get old enough for it, and just as they get
old enough to maybe understand a little bit better about

(39:43):
mom and dad not living in the same house anymore,
you know, there will be a lot of questions. But
the one thing that I really care about the most
is just how they're feeling. And sometimes they'll be sad
and I can't exactly understand why. So I'm wondering should
I ask them specifically, are you sad because Dad's not here?

(40:06):
Or should I ask them why are you sad? You know,
because I don't want to bring it up if it's
not on their mind, But I also don't want to
glaze over it if it is something that I should
you address at any given time? Right, So, of course
I don't know your children, and so I'm I'm answering

(40:28):
in a kind of a global way, but you'll take
from it whatever works for you and your kids. In general,
it's safe to say knowing why a child is sad
is less important than being a person who notices that
they're sad. So, really, for your three year old, most

(40:48):
three year rolls don't really know why they're sad unless
something just happened, like someone took their toy or they
dropped some food or whatever it is. They know about
that sad, but the larger issues, which are in your
case sadness certainly about the divorce and some grief probably

(41:09):
as well. Three year olds feel, but they don't know
how to tell you. They don't have the language to
tell you. So the best thing to do if you
sense that three year old is sad is to kind
of maybe curl up in a nice cozy place and
get the stuffed animal that's the favorite, and read a

(41:29):
favorite book, maybe some food, some good food, and do
a little snuggling and just kind of be together and
make a plan for later rather than try to find out.
What you're doing is really acting as though you know,

(41:51):
and that is the most important thing in for your
four year old, it's a little different. Four and a
half year old, it's a little different. And again you'll
judge this from your kids and whatever parts of autism
are affecting them. But for four and a half year old,

(42:13):
you can be a little more explicit. But rather than
say what are you sad about? One of the things
I like to do a lot of drawings with kids
this age. They love to draw. So you can do
what I call a temperature tower. It's just a simple line,
a vertical line with one at the bottom and a
hundred at the top, and you draw one for you,

(42:34):
and you draw one for your child with their name
at the top, and the temperature chart is how am
I feeling right now? And you do yours first, and
you say, well, I'm about a seven. I'm okay, but
you know I might be a five. I don't know, sorry, mom.
If you do, you mean one to one to ten

(42:55):
or one to one hundred. Sorry I should have said
one to ten doesn't matter. Yeah, But you so you're saying,
if let's just let's stick with one to ten because
that's where you started. So you're saying one to ten,
So you say I'm a five or I'm a seven whatever,
Rather than even if you're a one, I wouldn't go there.
I would just sort of stay in the middle. But
it gives the child that's listening to you an option

(43:17):
to not be a ten. Now the child may say
I'm a ten, and that's interesting. But if you've come
through a little period of sadness and you sense something,
you could say, okay, you're at ten. Wow, that's amazing.
Sometimes I'm at ten, but I'm not always at ten.
So it's a kind of a way that you're communicating

(43:37):
together that you know that it isn't always okay, and
you may get a conversation out of that from your
four and a half year old, a little bit of conversation.
You can also say, well, when I do such and such,
I feel like a ten. And when I do this,

(43:58):
I tend to feel down a little bit lower. Do
you have any things that make you higher or lower?
Another thing is what I call it frown box. So
you don't say it's a sad box, but a frown
box is any little box that you find and some
objects they could be stones that aren't swallowable or whatever,

(44:20):
and you take turns putting things in the box, and
you call them frowns and you say what you're frowning about,
so you participate in this as well. So that part
of it is that the child feels that I'm a
human being. I'm like my mom and I'm you know,

(44:40):
if your husband, your exitent husband could do this too,
it would be wonderful for them to share this with him,
both the temperature towers and the frown box. So you
get to see you're a child, but you get to
see I'm not. There's nothing wrong with me that I
have these feelings. I have these feelings with so to
my mom and dad. Yeah, one of the most powerful
things that I've shared with the listeners here, Mom, that

(45:02):
you always said to me is um, you know and
I and I you said it to me as a child,
and I think of it now when I'm forty about
to turn forty six, which is you said I would
share with you something that was upsetting me and you go,
of course, that makes total sense. If you didn't feel
that way, there'd be something wrong with you that when
you're going through this X y Z experience, If you

(45:24):
didn't feel abc, there'd be something the matter with you
that well you have I found that you said since
you said that, Zach, we've started doing that. Yeah, well
that's all my mom. That's her, that's that's her specialty.
Another thing I wanted to say, Mom, that you gave
me that really helped me as a child. Um, there
were these worried dolls. I don't know if they were.
They a Mexican and they still sell them. Yeah, I'm

(45:48):
sure you might find them on Amazon, just on the
internet somewhere. I believe they're called Mexican worried dolls. And
their their their their minuscule, they're they're about a centimeter
high and then go in a little container. And what
you do, is my mom, as my mom taught me,
is for a worrying child. And I was a kid
who worried a lot. As you teach each you tell
each figure one of your worries, and you put them

(46:09):
in the little canister next to your bed, and while
you're sleeping, they work on your worries. So it's like
the child can have their anxiety relieved because like, don't worry.
These dolls are specifically meant to work. That's all they
do as they work on worries. And I remember being
a kid being like this is a big worry. So
I would like talk to them. I'm like, look, I'm
gonna need six of you guys on this worry. I

(46:32):
would I would totally like give them tasks and I'd
be like, look, I need everybody, but you you're gonna
you have a little small worry, but you guys are
all on this main worry. And I really believed it,
and um and took comfort in knowing that while I
was sleeping, they'd be attacking the worry. It was awesome.
They don't they don't take it away, but they work
on it. Yeah, they work for you, and I love

(46:54):
it for two reasons. In my household, Um, my boys
are I'm white and my husband's Mexican, so they would
it would be great for them. I'm always trying to incorporate,
you know, their culture, and that would be cool. But also,
sleeping is tough just for us in general. Kids with
autism are always up in the middle of the night
and we're still working on that. But if that could

(47:15):
be something that could help them stay in their own
bed and stay you know, not have to because I'm
a sandwich right now, I'll have both boys on either
side of me and they just roll right into me.
So I'm like trying to teach them to sleep in
their own beds and stuff, and that's a great idea.
I'm gonna look those up. Yeah, I got a lot.
It was. It was I was so lucky to have
a child psychologist mom, because she and people always joke

(47:39):
with me over the years like, oh, because my stepfather
was a psychologist and my stepmother's a therapist, and people
are like, oh, were they always all analyzing you? And
the truth is I didn't. I didn't feel that at all.
I felt like I was really well listened to. M
They understood the importance of listening to the child and
hearing what they have to say. And I always felt heard.
And so you want to men, and we're never like

(48:01):
in a room with a big mirror. Ever, what do
you mean, like you you never ever we're in like
a room you mean like a two way mirror where
they were Thank goodness now, no, right though, when you
say stuff like that, that's the first thing you go to.

(48:22):
It's like, wow, you had a lot of you had
a lot of therapy and your yes, yes. So my
father in his later years, my father in his later
years taught a marriage counseling course with my stepmother, so
then he got on the therapy therapy trained too, was
getting in from all sides. It's important. I mean, you
can tell when you listen to this podcast that Zach,

(48:42):
especially you have had a lot of words of wisdom
in your life because you have such empathy with everyone
that you talked to. And I just think that that's
one of the best parts about listening. I mean, I
love the show, I love everything about it, but I
will say, Anne, you raised a nice young man who
is very empathy setic to people and kind, and I

(49:03):
just think that it's so cool to listen and see
that your two favorite actors are really good people and
they're just fun talking to one another, and it's just
so much fun listening. You're very sweet, Chrissy. I heard
everything you just said. You just said Zach is empathetic,
and I'm not I heard you know, no, no, no,
I'm sure when when Chrissy's back on for your mom's show,

(49:25):
she'll say the same thing about it. I am good
with moms, so you know, I know you're just kidding.
I am. That means a lot to me, Chrissy. And yes,
not only did I have empathetic therapists in my life,
but I also was in therapy. We you know, there
was no stigma in my family about going to therapy
or seeking out new age things, whether it be books

(49:47):
or courses. It was a very the environment was very
open to working on yourself. You know. I know plenty
of people listening, I'm sure their families were the opposite.
There was something wrong with you if you were going
with therapists, or or there was something wrong with you
if you're reading a self help book or or had
interest in a workshop. So I'm very blessed that I
had a family that was like, do it all, read everything,

(50:09):
you know, take that wacky workshop where you're walking on
goals or whatever it is. That's it. It's very interesting
our parents kind of had the same type of not
the same upbringing, but had a lot of the same interests.
And so because of that, Zach and I have a
very similar upbringing where we took workshops and you know

(50:30):
what I mean, and therapy was wasn't looked at as
something bad. You know, um, it's it's it's it's really interesting.
It's really that I find that the most interesting about
our friendship. It's like we were destined to meet if
you ask me, because a lot of the things that
we went through as kids are just too similar, you know,

(50:50):
it's just we have well learn that we both would
sneak into the light. I told Donald mom on the
on the last show that I would other kids were
sneaking behind the school to smoke cigarettes. I would sneak
into the school auditorium to play with the ancient lighting board.
And Donald was like, I did too, but he did

(51:12):
it because he was in the A V. Club man.
I did it because I thought it was like, you know,
I was freaking uh flying turn turning everything into light speed? Right? Great? Um, well,
I hope that that was helpful, Chrissy. Um um. I
would say fix your life? Well, but I'm scared. No,

(51:35):
we don't want to. We we don't. This isn't fix
your life segment, but definitely, um, get a copy. Do
you want to fix your life? I actually had a
just a quick question about it, but I am interested
in the book too. Yeah, so get the book. Um,
the Falling Down Time. Your kids are obviously a little
young for it, but my clients kids will. But yeah,
you're a diversity divorsity, but this should be on your
coffee table in your office, for your for your for

(51:56):
your clients falling down to tell them where I found it,
and they'll just like what you are on that podcast.
You know what? You can put a post it note
on this on the coffee table in your in your
waiting room. That says Zach Braff's mom wrote this awesome book,
I Will The Falling Down Time, which is on Amazon.
Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these

(52:16):
fine words. Okay, Donald is giving you a fix your
life opportunity. I wasn't going to do it, but he's
the co host. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Illinois's
favorite segment. It's time to fix You're all right? Go ahead, Chrissy. Okay,

(52:42):
Well it's pretty simple. I am single, so I'm I'm
just kind of ready to start dating. I know it
sounds like you know people. Everyone does it at their
own pace, whenever the time is right. Right for me,
I'm feeling the time time is right. I am. And

(53:02):
I apologize to my ex if he's listening to this, sorry,
but he can date two, go for it whatever. I
have two awesome kids and they are young and well
obviously we're a package deal. But I want to get
to know someone for who they are. I want them

(53:23):
to get to know me for who I am. You know,
when is the right time to tell people about it?
What do I? How do I approach this subject? I mean,
I think Donald you would know, um what it's like
dating when you already have children and obviously finding someone
that you want to be a companion with and then

(53:44):
and then I am still open to having children some day.
M thirty two, so I have time and I would
love to start a life with someone in that way.
But also right now, I'm just looking to date two
right that. That's normal and you should and there's nothing
wrong with that. Have you started? The obvious question that
comes to mind is the apps? Have you tried? And

(54:05):
you don't have to go on the Tinder of course,
but like one of the more ones for relationships like
match and such? Have you have you done any of that? Yeah?
Funny enough, I met my husband on e harmony, so
that one's out. Yeah, it doesn't stuck, So I M

(54:27):
I did. Yeah, I looked at so many apps. I
got on I'm then I got off of that. I
got on to bed and I'm like, I've talked to people.
I will come on a couple dates. I just don't
want to like rope somebody in and then be like,
by the way, I have two kids. Well, I think
in your match profile, you in your match if I
was advising you as your dating advisor, I would not
I would have your beautiful children in somewhere in your

(54:49):
match profile, pictures of you happy with your kids, you know,
so you're never misleading anyone. I'm I'm a mom of two.
I mean, there's think how many people are out there
dating with children. The kind of man you're going to
be looking for is not someone who's going to be
afraid of that, obviously. Yeah, I was gonna say if
you're if you if you find somebody and you say
I have kids and that's a deal break up for them,
that wasn't the person for you anyway, right, So you

(55:11):
know it's it's it's I don't think. I don't think
there is a scenario where you don't automa where from
the gate you should be telling people I'm a single mother,
you know. Um, I think the more honest and open
you are, you'll attract the type of person you're looking for.
You know where. Uh so I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry

(55:34):
about I wouldn't worry about that. You'll also remove the
anxiety um right away that oh I'm gonna be misleading
and found out, like no, you're being right up front,
like don't don't come knocking if you're not interested in
they'll still come knock. And trust me, yeah they still
they'll still come knocking. Oh yeah, I've had a couple
of Yeah. But you might also, I mean, you know,
full disclosure, you might you might want some fun and

(55:56):
and just some fun dating. It might. It might you
might after being in a marriage going through this divorce
which doesn't sound which obviously is unpleasant, you know, give
yourself license to date and have fun and maybe not
necessarily go right for the guy who's maybe going to
be your next husband and stepfather to your kids. You
might want to have a little fun dating time with

(56:18):
people that aren't necessarily father material, but fun fun. At
the end of the day, you and if it does
get to the point where it does become that serious,
you could say, well, you know, I got into I
wasn't I was I'm a divorced parent, I wasn't really
looking for a relationship. Where we are now is where
we are, and so I'm opening up more to you.

(56:39):
But to be honest, I was just trying to get
out there and meet new people, to be honest with you,
and you just so happy it just so happened to
get serious with you. So if you want to keep
it light, it's all right to keep it light too.
It depends on what it is that you want to do.
As Zach just said, if you're looking for another relationship,
I would be as open as possible when you know,

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letting everyone know who you are if that's what you want,
because I always feel if you're withholding anything, then you're
gonna always gonna have this anxiety in your head about
oh what if? What if he finds out? So don't
just let's just get rid of it right off the
bat by being open with it in your profile of
whatever dating site you're using. But if you're going out
to have fun, who cares, It's none of that business. Yeah,
you can have two profiles, my dating for a fun

(57:21):
ROMP profile with no kids, and then your relationship profile
with kids. Mom, what do you think of me? And
Donald's pop psychology? Are we doing a good job. You're terrific.
I wouldn't add anything. Oh, there you go. I never
in a million years thought I would get dating advice
from the Zach Breath. Well, we give great advice and
we were just PhD approved by my mom to give counseling.

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So there you go, Joel. Joel's out on the dating market.
Do you have any tips for um? No, that sounded
really good to me. Just being honest and upfront and
you know, have fun. Dating should be fun. So Joel's
about to go on two dates in front of a
lot of people the live show. Christy, are you going
to join us for the live show? I got my ticket?

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I'm mom? Are you joining us for the live show?
Do you even know about it? Absolutely? All right, Friday,
everyone listens. A mom doesn't know about the live show?
I get your mom on board. Donald, Now, mom, do
you do you still listen regularly? Be honest, it's okay
if you're not fully up to day, listen intermittently. Okay, Well,
I want to tell you something. When Donald and I
started this podcast, Chrissy, we made a joke saying a

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handful of Scrubs fans to listen and maybe our moms
turns out both of our moms have checked out for
the long haul. It's become a global sensation. But our
mom's then know you well enough that this is not
exciting for them. But for us, it's like we're getting

(58:47):
to know you and like know who you are. It's
oh my gosh, it's fascinating. And I was just you know,
I'm such a diehard that everybody comes on here and
they say, oh, I didn't like season nine. I liked it.
Let me ask you a question, when's the last time
you watch season nine? Well? And how many times? And
how many times did you watch season? More importantly, Chrissy,

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what are your feelings on the soundboard? You are you
pro sound no soundboard? You are no soundboard? Chris let
her answer no, ye, what are your thoughts on you
like it? Yes, a lot of people do. Casey, what
are your thoughts on the soundboard? Oh? Well that was me.
I was talking about the soundboard. You asked for it,

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You asked for it. Where are you going you asked
for it? Oh? No, he has to go get mom.
This is a new thing. He likes to bring Casey
on the show multiple times. You know what it is.
He's so obsessed with his wife that he can't spend
an hour away from her, so we have to go
get her. I'm looking for I want to and she's
I know both women and both single women are like,

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that's what I want. Where is he? Oh my god?
He's he literally, mom, he can't do an hour podcast.
I'm I want to get Casey saying stuff. And so
now he's using the soundboard. He got his mom and
a dollar on. He's saying some really mean things. Well,
I don't know. No, no, I assure you he is

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not Casey. He's just he's being crazy. Yes, he is.
We know that he is. What I'm like, what is
the soundboard that? No, Casey, I recorded this. Listen, okay,
Zacha love you, Zacha love you, Zach, I love you,
and I sometimes play it when I feel I need
to hear hear your voice. Dude, do my show as

(01:00:36):
you should. Let her hear the Oh and here's Donald
wu tank forever. Here's Donald. Here's the other one, do
or do not? There is no try? Oh and here's
Donald's favorite sound Casey. Oh god, he come on, Casey,

(01:00:58):
with all due respect, we got to wrap the show up.
I'm not I'm not the one. I know your husband
who it is obsessed with you? How do you go
get you when it's in here? Now? My good love you? No, no,
I love that woman. I love that woman for the listeners.
I love that one. That was not that last one

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was not the board listeners. That was her. Hey, Donald,
I gotta tell you while you're getting casey, and I mean,
I said to the audience, who and my mom would go, God,
this guy is so obsessed with his wife he can't
be without her for an hour. And both single women went,
that's what I want. I feel husband material. I want.
I want a relationship that's like Turk and Carla. You know,

(01:01:42):
they're just so real another they're so in love. But
then I also love how JD and Elliott. He says
at the end, Elliott, You're my dream woman. I love. Yeah. Well,
I mean for that to happen, you gotta be either
Turk or Carla, you know what. I relationships like that
or on television. The real relationships are gonna have ups

(01:02:06):
and down. Turkey call and never really had ups and downs. Man,
there they're ups and down. Was what what are we
gonna name? Is he? You know what I mean? Or
you know, like television relationships are meant to be just that,
to uplift you and to want you to experience love
like that. But you know what about I mean Bill Lawrence,

(01:02:28):
I would say to his credit, I would say, he
put in storylines about divorced people, and now he has
ted Lasso and and and I think those things are
important too, because when you're watching things, you kind of
want to see scenarios that play out that you you know,
what would you do in that situation or who's you know,
But on TV, it just seems like they always end

(01:02:48):
up you know, it always ends up the right way
on television. You know, that's the That's the only thing.
Like me personally, I wanted to I wanted movie. I
wanted to be in relationships like the movies I saw
like sixteen Candles and or The Breakfast Club and or
you know, those were ideal to me. And I tried
really hard over and over again to find that. And

(01:03:12):
I'm gonna tell you something right now, it's only in
the movies, man like. And then if I found something
that was close to it, I really didn't want it.
You know, all the movies don't always reflect how difficult
it is and how much work a healthy relationship takes.
It's a lot of work. So what you see me
and my wife do is. I mean, it's our stick
and we we've perfected it. But you know, I want

(01:03:35):
all the listeners out there to know that you get
the show. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you
are I will say this about you. Of course you're
a normal couple that go through your hard times in
your arguments, but I will say that you are a
very doting, loving husband. You give her a lot of love. Yeah.
Have you seen my wife? Yeah, she's a knockout. Yeah,

(01:03:57):
I'm saying, man, shake that. I don't appreciate it. We'll
get Florence on here going, don't I love you? Um?
All right, guys, Chrissy, thank you for coming on. We
really appreciate it. And good luck with your with all
that's going on in your life. Thank you so much. This,
like I said, it was a dream come true. And

(01:04:19):
good luck to you. I guess I'll see at the
live show. So excited. Listen if you if you can
get on the chat or if you want to shout
out Joel or something like that, do it. Maybe we'll
maybe we'll get you on a live show too. Well,
we don't know, we don't know. Oh my gosh, oh
all right, Christy, thank you, I love you, Bye guys,
bye bye hie. Here's the take care. Um. Well that's

(01:04:39):
our show, guys. Um um, don't forget to pick up
the falling downtime. If you're someone who's going through a
divorce and need to talk to your children, or if
someone in your life is going through that situation, it's
available on Amazon. And my mom's other book about adoption
if if you're have an adopted child as a beautiful,
beautiful book, um that that addresses the subject of the

(01:05:03):
birth mother to the child, and that's called The Mowbray Bird,
also available on Amazon. Mom, did you have fun? I
had a lot of fun. Thank you for giving you chance.
It was terrific. Well, I love you very much. I
love you too. The live show and I love you Donald,
um and everyone, so please join us. Our next show

(01:05:23):
is the live show. We'll be watching my quarantine, all
sorts of fun, all sorts of adventures. You'll be seeing
us with our new fancy webcams that that we bought,
and um, lots of guest appearances and fun and laughter. Right,
than Tank forever. All right, count us out, Donald six seven,
eight stories about show. We made a bunch of nurses stories. Yea,

(01:06:00):
I show which I know. Mm hmmm