804: My Happy Place with John C. McGinley

On this week's episode, JD and Elliot rekindle their romantic relationship. In the real world. John C. McGinley joins us and tell us about his cold plung routine and how he roots for JD and Elliot. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've made it. You're here, baby, We're here. How are you? You?
Handsome devil? You know, I'm living the fucking dream. My
house shit is. I'm learning that everybody has house issues.
It's like they It's like Hollywood, everybody got daddy issues.
Everybody got house issues. Well, listen, Renovating a house the

(00:20):
most common thing. I know a couple of people going
through this. People, it's so stressful, and you're you're going
through it. Well, we're not renovating by choice, though, I
mean like we kind of have to renovate, like gas
lines were put in improperly, Like yo, whoever owned this
place before us or whoever? I don't know, man, Like

(00:40):
this place was not taken care of. And I feel
like Tom Hanks and my wife is Shelley Long and
money pity is the money Pit money Pit for those
of you too young to know the reference a classic
Tom Hanks film, Money Pit. You get a chance see
the movie. Well you look handsome, that's all that matters. Right,
I don't feel handsome right now? I feel worn right,

(01:02):
go on, feel I feel beaten, Go ahead, I feel draft.
Can I help you turn it around? No? You cannot
the Only thing that's gonna help me turn it around,
is if we do a good freaking podcast we're gonnarea
and we bring in john freaking see McGinley. The legend

(01:25):
is here. Do you want to go right to bringing
him in? He's here. We should shoot the ship with
him so he doesn't sit in the green room. All right,
let's bring Johnny c McGinley and everyone America's favorite actor
on the planet. It's coming in. Who little boys and girls,
there is is Hi Zachie, Hi Dandal, good to see.

(01:48):
How are you doing you handsome? Look how ripped he is?
How are you fi? I missed you the other night?
Oh man, I missed you the other night. I got ripped?
He is Donald. It just doesn't go away, audience, you
can see this. But the man is more ripped than
fucking average. He's like the rock. He's like that. He's
like an Irish rock. He is strong. Dude. I have

(02:11):
so many questions and so many things to say about
this episode. I can't even tell you. Well, we're gonna
get into it. We're gonna get into it. But Johnny's
a bliss. Johnny genuinely listens to the podcast, and he
loves the podcast. And he texts me all these nice
things and Johnny just so we can follow up, because
Johnny was at the event where Harrison Ford was and

(02:31):
and and Donald never got a chance to use what
he had rehearsed. Johnny right, he was never he never
got a chance to to You heard him run drills
with me, and he never got a chance to do it. Donald,
You you doing that improv with Zachy uh in the
episode prior to this one was Comedy Gold, Thank you.

(02:51):
Zachie told me about it and and his pitch was
really good. And then you two getting after it and
Zachie you doing Harrison's pretty good. Although someone it's pretty dark.
Someone told me, I sound like Baine, but it's somewhere
between Baine and Harrison Ford. Get right in there. Burn
was more like this, and you could Donald, you couldn't

(03:15):
come though, you didn't get because we had a blackout
power outage in our neighborhood and your kids weren't having it.
I can't leave my kids with the babysitter. My kids
are very young. I can't leave my kids with the
babysitter in a dark, cold house. Couldn't you have given
them flashlights and said daddy wants to go talk to
Harrison Ford. You know what I could have. I made

(03:40):
an executive decision as a father and instead of emotionally
scarring my children for my own personal benefit, right decided
to do the right thing like Spike Lee and stay
home with them. Zachie Zackie also had a blackout. Neo
also had a house guess, Josh Raydon, who I love,

(04:01):
and they they had a little bit of a tiff
at the party because Zach trying to direct Josh back
into his house as a guest. Yeah, it was pretty alleged.
It was completely dysfunctional. Johnny was privyed, so me and
Josh arguing because my power was out too and I
was going to go home, and he was like, well,
I'm gonna stay longer, and I was like okay. It

(04:21):
was like a couple's fight, and He's like, well, how
am I? And Johnny was in the middle. It was
literally like a comedy sketch, Johnny sitting in the middle
and Josh was like, how am I going to get
in if the powers out? And I go, well, the
gate probably should work. I think it's got a battery pack,
and he's like, well, what if it doesn't. I'm like, well,
then come to the main door. Which door I go?
Then you know, the door, the front door, and then
put the code in, and I'm like, Johnny, this is

(04:44):
the worst Airbnb guest I've ever had. He's and then
Johnny was just cracking up and picture John's head just
like ping ponging back and forth with me. And Raydon
got into this fight, and I'm like, just climb the fence.
He's like, I'm not climbing the fucking fence in the dark,
and I I go Johnny would climb the fence, and
Johnny Nazy goes I would I climb the fence. Those

(05:06):
are two different house guests, so different. Johnny I tried
to shame him. I'm like, look at john He's ripped.
He'd climb the fence. He's like, yeah, I'm not ripped
like that. What's the code for the front door? Having
having you two in an argument was that it was
it was made me happy. It made me happy. Well, Johnny, Okay, wait,
hold up, was fucking Harrison Ford there? Obviously? Yeah? Obviously

(05:30):
is it true that jay z was there? John No,
I lied to you about jay z Y. I spent
all my time with Harrison. I don't know. No, I
didn't see jay Z. He wasn't there. No, I was
fucking with him john and I told him that he
missed the great party Allen was Harrison there, but jay
Z was there. First thing I said to Harrison I said, Harrison,
you're so good on Billy's show. And he goes, oh,
is it Billy's show? Now? Yeah. I love people that

(06:01):
take the piss out of Bill because very few people do.
So I love people that like like Harrison. It'll be like, oh,
it's your show. I first of all, it was so
great to see you, man, I really it made me
so clear how much I missed you and how much
I love you and how much I love chatting with you.
And I spent like a good chunk of time just
cracking up with Johnny, and of course he was privy

(06:23):
to me and Josh Raydon's couple's fight, but also we
I wanted to talk to you about this cold Plunge
thing and tell our audience a little bit about because
Johnny is very into this whole sauna and cold plunge life,
and I'm seeing it everywhere with so many people that
I look up to. Whether they're super smart people with
a podcast, or they're very successful people. I know so

(06:47):
many people at the top of their game who are
doing this dopamine hit of going super hot and then
ice cold and starting their day like that. And Johnny,
you've been doing this forever, and I thought you could
just tell our audience a little bit about it. I'm
very interested in it. I am too. I really would
like to know about this, Johnny, because, as you know
I am. I hate the cold, but if it's gonna

(07:11):
put longevity into my life and make me healthier, I
really want to be a part of this. So all right, China,
go ahead. Tell us. So about twenty years ago, my
friend and namer Laird Hamilton, who's a it's kind of
a wealth of fitness and health information because people flock

(07:32):
from around the planet to share their stuff with them.
And one of the guys was Wim Hoff, who's kind
of the high priest of cold water plunges and all
this and breathing, and so Wim spent a lot of
time with this and then kind of took what Wim
had and put it on steroids, and what he had
was this hot and cold as it pertains to your

(07:55):
lymphatic system, and as it affects inflammation. So your lymph
attic system is something that circulates all the good stuff
throughout your body, and it usually takes six to twelve
hours for that to go around around all the good
chemicals in your body. And this accelerates that to about
an hour. And so you have all the good juice
going around, and you've accelerated that to an hour. And

(08:19):
the other thing it does is it deals with inflammation.
And since we all have inflammation, whether it's in your
joints or organs or your brain, somewhere, you have inflammation.
And this purports to help with inflammation. And those are
the two big highlights. But also you get a giant
dopamine hit, don't you. I mean it doesn't it like well,

(08:41):
or I don't know if it's endorphins or dopamine, but
like you feel fucking amazing. Right. Well, here's the thing.
Once you get into wherever your sensitivities are, either the
heat or the ice, your brain is telling the rest
of your body that you're in a great deal of jeopardy.
You're not, of course, You're just in a You're in
a steel tub with some ice in it. Or you're
in a in a in a hot hot house. Yeah,

(09:03):
so that you can open the door and leave. And
so the the hack is tricking your brain and shutting
that off and letting your body know that it is okay.
And so now all this inflammation is starting to subside,
and your lymphatic system is really charged. And that's what
you're perceiving as either dopamine or or this high that

(09:25):
you get afterwards. But it's just hacking the brain and
telling it that it's not, in fact, in any jeopardy.
It's fine, You're you're in an ice tub and everything's
going to be okay. And how do how do you
do this? Do you do it? Where you're in and
then you're out and then you're in? And is there
is a session? Is it? It's three rounds? Right, So

(09:47):
it's three rounds. We go fifteen minutes in the in
the heat, and then a hundred nose breadths in the
ice and then back into the heat. And so the
three rounds of that. But for you, Donald would start
at forty nose breath just okay, and so that all
your focus goes there instead of the pass in your chest.
You know, he was saying and I've seen other people

(10:07):
say this because I've been like, once you, once you
click on this Instagram wormhole, you're going to see some
many people doing Oh it go so deep. No, but
I'm really interested because so am I man, I've been
checking this out. Also, Johnny told me that what happens
is like you're going too panic mode, right, But but
then like your friend who's like you're who's done it,
Like Johnny would coach you, like, calm down, You're just

(10:29):
in full on fight or flight mode. You're just in
an ice tub. You're not going to die. And then
you focus on and you focus on your breathing and like,
if you can do that and train yourself, you can
go shorter or longer or and then develop this this
this skill set which is really powerful for a lot
of people, and it's good for circulation, it's good for

(10:50):
it's good for your heart. I think I told this
story on the podcast. I'll tell it quickly if I've
told this for Joell, remind me if I told this.
But when we were doing the ocean swim thing in
that episode where I'm like, I do the triathlon and
I'm the only one in a in a what he
called speedo. Yeah, pick an apple, put in your pocket.
Pick an apple, put in your pocket. Memember. I was

(11:10):
swimming wh when we shot that. The water was really cold.
It was like probably forty five degrees, but it was
a hot day. It was la and and and they
had a longboard. All the crew were who were in
the water. We had wet suits on, but I had
had a longboard for me to not be in the
there in a speedo for too long. So we would
get in and I would shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, and
then I go, oh my god, I need a break,
and I get on the longboard. Sun was beating down

(11:32):
on me, and then I get in shoot shoo, shoot you.
I was basically doing a modified version of what Johnny's saying,
but I didn't know that I was doing anything special.
When we wrapped that, I went back to my trailer
and I don't remember it said something I remembered, and
it was probably sixteen years ago. I remember feeling such
a high, a natural, full body mental high, like I

(11:53):
had like just serotonin flowing through my body because your
organs were working at optimal level. Man, That's why, man,
with all of the junk that you had in your system. Yeah,
lymphatic system is just speeding through. Man. Do you know
how good that? Do you know how good no inflammation feels? Man?
No inflammation feels amazing. I don't know. Just joints on

(12:15):
your bloodstream, on your system, all of that. Man, That's
why I'm so interested in this. Man. I've been seeing
a lot of people on Instagram doing it. I had
a conversation with somebody at last night about it, and
they were talking about how they've got you know, apparently
the tub isn't the problem. It's the freaking the system

(12:36):
that you put into the tub that's expensive. And then
you can literally you can literally start with a with
a plastic barrel. I see people on Instagram with a
plastic barrel of ice water like right, but you can
get like like you can go nuts. This is a
good gift for yourself if you're out there and you
have the money to do it. Get you what I'm saying,
you don't, I'm donald, I hear you, and I'm saying
there's like refrigerated tubs that are very expensive, but you

(12:58):
can literally start with a plastic barrel. In fact, if
you watch Ted Lasso, those soccer players are getting into
fucking the trash cans, and Bill and Bill and Jason
put that in the show because when they went to
research the real guys, that's what those guys are getting
in those fucking blue recycling things. Yeah, so you can literally,
you can literally do it with that, I'm saying. But

(13:20):
if you got the dough and you want to go go, yeah, yeah,
but I think one before one spends the dough, one
should see if they can handle it in a plastic barrel.
Yeah right, No, I think you're gonna be able to
handle Listen, now, you're the guy, because you're the guy
who goes and then spends fifteen grand and goes like,
I'm not doing that shit. I am that guy. But
I'd wind up doing it. If you came out of here,

(13:42):
I'd walk you through it. Johnny, I'm going to. Can
I come out, let's do a session together. Can we
convince my wife to do this bad boy too? Because
I'm sure she would benefit from this? Yeah? And will
she wear will she wear a bikini? When she does it?
Her nipples, her nipples get so hard, hold wow, and
uncomfortable with this? Uncomfortable with this? I'm sorry, I'm no,

(14:07):
I'm comfortable with it. Listen, she's not very hot, Johnny.
I'm not talking about Casey's I'm not gonna all right,
we'll talk about private parts another time. But you want no, no,
no, no no, no, no no no, I don't want. I
don't know. It's because she can talk about her nipples too.
I love it. Look at it, looking him, looking him squirm.

(14:30):
I'm just saying, when Casey joins us, she should probably
wear a bikini. But Johnny, can we come? We'd love come.
Let's do a session together. I want to come down there.
I'll be in there this after that. I was in
this morning, I'll be in there this afternoon. The answer
is yes. How's the how's the golf simulator? Oh dude,
you're just gonna come out here and have a man
vacation with you know, Johnny has the best house. There's

(14:51):
a golf simulator, there's cold plunges. I just need to know.
Has your game elevent Listen? I haven't played in over
a year now, I know I've been listening to you.
You're mister tennis. Now, I was playing a little tennis.
Chris Krab would have you believe that I play a
lot of tennis, But I played like listen, once you're
tennis is one of those sports that you don't need.

(15:12):
You could take a lot of time off, and when
you come back, if you're not out of shape, or
if you're still athletic, it's still there's not true. That's you. You.
You happen to be a very, very athletic. Donald's a
really good athlete. Donald comes There was a time when
I was taking lessons like every week and Donald was
not there. He was doing golf. And then he comes back.
We have the same teacher, and he comes back and

(15:32):
like he's shitty for like the first fifteen minutes, and
I'm like feeling so good because never am I better
at a sport than Donald. I was just like hitting
really well, and I was just like so happy. Like
sixteen minutes in, he starts doing trick shots. He's like
fully back, well, he's like doing through the leg shit.
You know what the trick trick shots are to fucking

(15:53):
just make it so that everybody runs, you know what
I mean. Nobody hitting back and forth to somebody is
some bullshit. Man, That's how you lose. You're gonna beat
me on consistency all day long. So my competitive spirit
gets in there, and now I'm freaking making it so
that you can't be comfortable anymore. Douts like a ping
pong spin on the ball. Nye, that's brutal. You gotta

(16:16):
you gotta, you gotta do something to switch it up. Listen. Yeah, yeah, dude,
I did that. Oh my god, I did that one.
Donald has the ability to do like this is what
he does. He's exactly right, he doesn't. He doesn't. He
gives up on consistency. So he does some like ping
pong fucking spin on the ball, and the ball does
something I've never seen a pro due do it. It's
just like, well, Donald got those good hands. Donald got

(16:40):
the hands, he got a hand eyed for Craig. Craig.
That's when my brother says, because my technique is horrible
in baseball, but I can still hit the baseball. Yeah,
because you got great hand. Yeah all right, listen, Johnny,
I'm gonna hit you up because I this is I
have a fear about this. And when I felt like
when I it was a sign from the universe. When
when when I talked to you about the other day
because I felt like I need someone, I need a

(17:02):
mentor not too Zakie. I could walk you, I could
take you through a session. It would be so comforting
to you, and you would feel so accomplished. When you
do the three sessions and you get in and out
of the ice three times, you will leave here. You
will feel so rejuvenated and you'll feel really proud of yourself,
which is terrific. Well, thank you. I totally want to

(17:22):
do it, Johnny, and I'm gonna take you up on that.
What do you do? Do you do it like every day?
Or is this? Is this an everyday thing? Or is
this a once a week thing? Like? What's the criteria?
I did it this morning. I did this morning after
the pool workout, And I'm gonna go down and get
Maxie and then I'm gonna get home later tonight around six.
I'll be back in there. Two rounds a day, Yeah,

(17:44):
sometimes more. I want to do it. One want to
You can do as many times as you want. Is
this it's a big It's a big leap for me
because I fucking hate cold water, But I really feel
like it's a challenge for me. It's like a life goal.
I want to conquer this bullshit. I got a lot
of things I want to plish in life. Well, we
have like a great master here a Yoda if you will, Donald,

(18:04):
that can teach us to conquer our fear of sitting
in ice water. I'm off for longevity. If this helps, Yeah,
let's go. I don't know if it helps with longevity
as much as it helps with inflammation. Inflammation. Inflammation is
an inflammation is a key to longevity, Alma, and also
helps with mental health. I hear people talking about how

(18:26):
it big time. Yeah, I hear it. That's for me,
that's real. That's not the least which because you feel
like you've accomplished something that was a goal. And yeah,
I don't know how many goals we have all the time,
and this is a tangible one that you could check off. Yeah, Donald, Yeah, Donald. Okay,
So we're going Casey to bikini up. Oh my god,

(18:46):
I'm gonna a bikini are up. We're gonna bring the
sun tan oil something small, something like illegal in certain
parts of Florida. I'm gonna make sure d different episode.
Al Right, Countess, send Donald's to the show. Show. We

(19:08):
made about a bunch of doctor nurses stories. So yead
around here, yea around here? Alright, eight oh four everybody.

(19:30):
This aired on January thirteenth, oh nine. That was very interesting.
That was fourteen years ago. Very wacky episode, very funny,
lots of stuff with the legendary Johnny c McGinley and
Donald Faizon. Yeah, together again. The team is together. See
it's good to be together again. Um. Directed by Ken Winningham.

(19:53):
Imagine that we've ever been gone to Sammy? To Sammy,
just a love letter to Ah. He's so good in
this right, absolute love letter. Sam has a lot to
do in this one. And it's amazing how much they
squeeze in this episode. There's there's so much. Um. All right,
well let's just start off at the top. Um. Okay,

(20:13):
So you popping down the hallway. First of all, this
is something that somebody said to me once. He was like, uh,
he was like, you guys are hilarious. I was like,
why is that. He's like, because you guys are bopping
down the hallway like you owned the play. Like if
you watch any episode of Scrubs, the Strut JD and

(20:35):
Turk Cab when they're with the pimps and stuff like that. Yeah.
I guess that continued on because we do that like
every episode. There's us freaking walking around like this is
my shit. Yeah, I thought, I thought, to Donald's point, Zachie,
I thought you were biting Travolta in Saturday Night Fever
when he's bringing the paint can down Queens Boulevard shot.

(20:58):
Such a good owing moment and John and John has
that strut, and you had John Strutt in this which
is a compliment, by the way, Well it's a tough strutt.
It ain't easy. Well, listen, JD has had uh seven
and a half years of being tortured by the janitor,
and for the first time in his whole medical career,

(21:21):
he doesn't have to worry about him. He thinks, right,
So he's feeling himself. A weight has been taken off
his shoulders. That's really good. He's like, I don't have
to look around the corner anymore. It's really good. He's
feeling himself. And as he says that, he runs into
the Todd who knocks him on his ass. He says, maybe,
which is disisgusting. It's disgusting. You don't want to but

(21:45):
he goes in for a kiss. Well, he's we know
that Todd. Is he beyond for a kiss. He's beyond bisexual.
He's he's he's into everything, anything and everything. He's just sexual,
he's just period. But it's not sexual. What he does
is not sexual. It's disgusting. It's not consensual, for sure.

(22:06):
He says he's not consensual. He says, I can feel
little j D five and I go no, no, thanks Todd.
He goes, but I can, and I want my five
kiss that was so funny, goes, but I can and
I want my five Okay, So, and then we go

(22:35):
through a sequence where JD and Elliott are are flirting,
of course again, and they're hanging out. Jad seems obsessed
with Oprah. Um, so, wait, who makes the cereal box
for him? Well? The cereal box is really wait no,
somebody made it so that when it opens up, it
goes No, it's been rigged to have an Oprah voice

(22:57):
by Whitney in Payroll, who we see later. Yes, she's
she says, like, who wants him Oprah? Oh? Oh wait?
Did you did you infer that the the JD when
he said he had made had also made the box
or just the vocal mechan I thought he made the box? Also, Johnny,

(23:17):
what did you think? I thought the writers got so
drunk on the Oprah jokes that I just went along
with them. They stumbled into it, and they like they
just wanted to squeeze every drop of water out of
that joke. This must have been at the height of
the time where Oprah was giving away stuff, yelling all
the time, right, No, I think I think Tracy Morgan
did Oprah on a thirty rock and we were walking

(23:40):
He was like, you know what, I mean, what would open?
The question was what would Oprah do? And he was
dressed up as Oprah and he he went, what would
I do? But we were walking around doing Oprah on set.
I think this joke comes from like us being obsessed
with their no, no, I don't want perhaps, but I

(24:01):
just remember at the time Oprah was always giving away stuff,
and she kind of leaned into her own joke. She
was like, you get a car, You get a car,
You get a car. Yeah, all right, look under your seat,
Look under your seat, there's a car. Do you see
the keys, Oprah? How did you get that car under
my seat? I'm Oprah, dude. That shit was Have you

(24:22):
ever seen that? Have you ever seen that actual video
of her telling the audience that they get a car
they lose. You get a car, and you get a car,
and you and everybody get a car. Yeah. The video
of people, even when I wasn't cars, of the audience
when open would give shit away, they would you get
your mind and you get like you get lotion. You

(24:44):
and their heads. You're exploding thing, you know. I can't
even I can't even hear the word lotion now without
thinking of ted Levine telling the girl to put lotion
on it in silent lamp. I can't even hear that word.
I can't hear the word it puts the lotion. Yeah,
with the loan in the basket, will it put the

(25:05):
lotion in the basket. T is so good in that
it's please places. I watch all these movies because I
put a TV in the hot in the sauna behind
two pieces of plexiglass, because I'm such a I'm such

(25:27):
a news junkie that you can stay in the hot house.
I call at the hot house. I had the production
designer on Scrubs make this sign for me and says
the hot house. And it's still out there. And I
just watch all these movies, and I guess I must
have watched ted Levine the other day in in silence
of the lamps. Kind of random. That's kind of a rig.

(25:48):
Nice rig. You got over there. Thank you. Daniel's been there,
by the way, Daniels helped me set up the Yeah,
Daniel got the whole tour. Hell yeah, Daniel's pretty amazing,
isn't It's me. It's a gorgeous spot and the hot
house is dope. Yeah, it's set up very nice, Daniel.
I like that T shirt. Shout out Dove, shout out easy.

(26:09):
It's a it's a delas soul song. It's so easy,
it's so easy. Hey, do you know where Judy is
in this episode? She's not shooting a movie. I know
she's not. We all missed episodes during this season because
of budget, and they did this budget. Remember we moved
to ABC season eight, so everyone I think, um, oh,

(26:33):
everyone takes including me, takes a few off this season
and uh and uh, this is Judy's turn to not
be in because I immediately missed. Jude, do you remember
Do you remember this though? Do you remember like I
remember remember this after you guys tell me stuff I
remember otherwise I don't remember stuff. Well, the funniest joke

(26:56):
in the whole episode happens very early on, and it's
just joke. Is this is a meme, this is I've
got people that do this as uh, what is the joke?
The joke Turks Turk is Turkey is touching a patient
and uh, what do you call it? Just feeling his
his an area of stomach and he and there's a
fart noise and Turk says, that's so right, it's perfectly normal,

(27:20):
natural and the patient says that was you. It goes,
I know, it's perfectly natural, natural, dude. I hadn't seen
that in a while, and I I had to pause
the playback to laugh so hard. It's a meme, dude,
Like there are people that are lip syncing this shit
on TikTok and stuff right now. Then Oh yeah, I'll

(27:41):
post it when that'll be my that'll be my Uh well,
your your performance of this episode, your performance of that joke.
I mean it was so dead pan and funny and
uh all right. So then then we get into this
main storyline between doctor Cox and Turk, which is that
doctor Cox does not trust any surgeon. He calls them

(28:02):
corpse carpenters, and um, you know, I've made your questions
about this all right, I want to hear you go ahead, Well,
what do we I don't know what we're doing. I mean,
I feel like I'm on the set right now and
I'm talking to them. I don't know what we're doing.
I mean, Cox has just gone out of his mind here.
They're just gonna take They're just gonna harvest organs and

(28:22):
put them wherever they want. Yeah, that's that's illegal, man,
I'm sure that's not to them. But he had he
had decided that that he had found a lucky solution
to this kidney problem. Yeah, they put him on a
donor list, and then they took what's then they're on
the donor list. I understand all that, but then one

(28:43):
one party says I don't want to participate, and so
Cox and Turko, well we're doing anyway. Yeah, yeah much? What? Well? No,
I think what wasn't it that they would do it simultaneos,
simultaneously so that there was no there was no fear
of them lose the person ballking right right right? The permission.
I just get that it was without permission. I was

(29:05):
under the permission. I was under the impression that it
was out there was was it was without their permission.
It's way too fuck up, even because they never explained
why they didn't want to do it correct Well, yeah,
that was unclear as I understood that the story point
was that it involved one person going early and doing

(29:25):
it and then the right jewels nodding and the other
person was nervous. Hey, we have no I'm gonna give
I'm gonna give a stranger my kidney. They ever said,
but I have no I have no guarantee that you
when you do yours, you're gonna give my husband yours.
They never explained this and in the show, so it
seemed at first I was like, what are you fucking racist?
Because other camp camp is brown and they're not, you

(29:48):
know what I mean? Like a lot of ship went
through my head, I said, and they were like, Yo,
we're just gonna do it. I was like, this is
highly illegal. I had at some point, and this is
going to come and bite them in the ass. You're right.
I had to do the math in my head and
put together the missing pieces. But yeah, there's a missing
story beat for the audience there. Um, we're gonna take
a break and when we come back, guess what's gonna happen?
We're gonna talk more about this bizarre issue about Cox

(30:12):
not trusting Turk. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Legendary Johnny Legendary Johnny c McGinley, who says, at the
end of the movie seven, somebody calls somebody amazing fucking

(30:38):
movie amazing part Can I tell no disrespect to the
farting by de Fizz? But I what I totally obviously
forget everything. But I didn't remember Jimmy the overly touch touchy,
orderly I was. That was laugh out loud. That shit
was the funniest shit you do that in twenty twenty three. No,

(31:00):
he would be fired again. He would get fired right,
but you could do it. It would just be no, no, okay,
that's a fight. That's a lot of because somebody's gonna
be like, yo, get the fuck off. Like even freaking
Ted says, dude, I do not like this, and he
still hugged and says it. He's still hugging him. It
was so right if you want to still be hugging
the minute he says I don't like to stop, and

(31:21):
you're like, oh, and then you grab his face just
fucking straight up. Hr listen, I said to the motherfucker.
I did not like it. And you know what he did.
He kept rubbing and then he grabbed my face. He
grabbed my mother fucking face. Now y'all need to come
down here and fire it is motherfucker right now? Did you?
I laughed though, Johnny. You see the blooper at the

(31:42):
end where we start laughing hilarious, there had to be
There had to be a thousand feet of bloopers with
you too. Well, obviously he was just making the ship
up and he's Terrence hilarious and an improval guy, and
he was just riffing this weirdest ship and that actor
is great. I just remember we're laughing so hard with him. Yeah,

(32:02):
who is he is? He? Is he a friend of
Neil's or is he somebody? You know? He's gone on
to be on Saturday Night Live, and like, oh yeah, yeah,
he's He went on after this show. He went on
to become a Where do you go after SNL? I
don't know where he is currently, but he's fucked hilarious.
He did Broadway for a bit, He's made a couple

(32:23):
of movies he's in. He never breaks when he's when
he's overly touching you, doesn't He never breaks and some
of the yeah, you know, a lot of the stuff
that he did on Scrubs, he took with him to
Saturday Night Live, like his Brad Pitton personation, you know
how we got to see that early on that goes
with him to SNL. Yeah, he was on SNL for

(32:45):
a pretty long time to him. Keenan, Bobby moynihan, Uh,
there's a few of them. They were all like they
were all click. Uh, you know, they've gone on to
do other things. Keenan On the Kelso's storyline, Kelso says, quote,
I'm like norm in this bitch as he walks into

(33:06):
the coffee Bucks because he's he's he's he's still hanging
out at the hospital's coffee Bucks, and he's sort of
shamed by everyone. Well, he's not shamed by everyone, He's
only shamed by the Bye Bye Ted. Everyone just wants
an explanation, Like, look, it really does seem like everybody's like,
you can they laugh at his jokes and everything still right.

(33:28):
So I don't everybody. I don't think everybody wants him gone.
They just want an explanation on why he's still there. Well,
Ted finally hits him up with don't you have anything
better to do? And Kelso's embarrassed. He says that he's
been planning to take Enid too wine country. Um, but
that's just because she winds wherever he takes her. And

(33:51):
but he's been embarrassed, and so he covers and says
that he's going to be leaving and going on a
trip with Enid. JD references the score sting he says
whenever anyone leaves bound, which is very meta because then
Elliott says, I'm going to leave and we hear the
score go bound. We're forgetting something. What is it? My friend?

(34:16):
The Janitor's back. The janitor is back, and he hasn't
been rehired back, He's just come back. Right this, they
introduced the janitor and Jimmy at the exact same time,
and I feel like they cut because this is right
before we cut into the show. This is the cold open.
They cut Jimmy putting his arm around the janitor. It
looks like because it looks like his hand is coming

(34:38):
up to touch him. Neil was probably like, I'm not
doing that pit yet. I feel like you guys touched
on at last episode of the podcast, and in this
one I could feel it tangibly that I feel like
the writer's room and Bill just kept putting more slack
in the leash for Neil. By season eight, they were like,

(35:00):
let Neil, Neil think of something. Yeah, nothing we're gonna
come up with is going to be as funny as
what comes out of his head. So Neil's will say
something here and he damn short does. Yeah, dude, I'm
still I'm still thinking about last week. Jenny Johnny got
it like you just know. So I passed Turk with Elliott,

(35:23):
and I say, I can feel when Turk is sad.
It's like a wave of heat. Turks Turks destruct because
he knows Cox doesn't trust him, right, isn't like that? No,
and he's really being a second for a while. Yeah,
he feels disrespected and he feels like he's being second guest,
and um, he doesn't understand it. Don't you think that's

(35:44):
a slippery slope when when you put current pop culture
jokes into shows. Um, when you referenced the Hills and
then then X years later, I wonder if anybody knows
what the Hills is. Yeah, there's not money anymore. The
Hills was a reality I know, a pseudo reality show, right,

(36:06):
but well he was like it was scripted, but they
was supposed to be reality. He's right. You listen to
a lot of the old rap songs from the nineties,
well not the nineties, from the early two thousands and
stuff like that, and there was a lot of jokes
about you know, things that don't even exist anymore, and
windows Excel and stuff like that, like no, no, not

(36:29):
a slide to jay Z. But jay Z had a
lot of pop culture lyrics back in the day. And
it's not like he's not the best rapper still, best
rapper alive still, but some of those things don't Who's
the best rapper? Who's the best rapper alive? Now? Donald?
Jay Z? Do you like? Do you like Drake? I
do like Drake. I think I'm not saying jay Z's

(36:51):
the best rapper period, but he is the best rapper alive. Dane,
Who do you think is the best rapper alive? Oh? Man,
don't know if I'm qualified to have an opinion on
this one. Why not? You're a DJ, You're a DJ channel.
I just don't listen to enough contemporary hip hop right
now that I feel like I'm missing out on a
lot of really talented people like Smino. Smino is really good. Look,

(37:14):
I don't listen to enough contemporary hip hop eitherough, but
you know, numbers don't lie, you know what I mean.
I think West Side Gun is a great mc joel.
I'm really into Mick Jenkins Jenkins rules. I was in
the gym the other day and I heard the lyric
it's a rowly, not a stop watch. Who's that? That's
freaking drake, don't stop watch. It's not a stop watch.

(37:37):
I just hit the switch. You're looking tight and nice
on Saturday night. Thank you. I'm trying to look like
he's He's very felt right now. I'm working hard at
ten nice. I was thinking of a man looking at
a man we were talking about because we were talking
to Brett Goldstein. Johnny and I were talking about Golstein,
and just as I touched his abdomen, I felt his

(37:58):
ad Brett Goldstein has ripped fucking fucking Hercules in the
Marvel universe. Every time I break up Hercules, he's either
doing a bit or so into his NDA that he
won't talk about it, because then as NA don't fucking
do it. Just don't bring it up. No, I'm not
gonna I go. Why are you so fucking ripped right now?

(38:19):
Is it because of hercules? And he's like, I don't
know what you're talking about. Yeah, Scott, like he's got
like yeah, yeah, ladies, Brett Goldstein, I know a lot
of you have crushes on him. Well, I'm here to
tell you he's got abs. He's got hercules abs. He's
working hard. Man. I don't know what it's for, but
he's working hard. Listen. I know a lot of shit

(38:40):
about a lot of shit, and I'm not gonna talk
shit about anything that sounds like a rob I know
a lot of shit. Listen. I've been running into people,
and I've I've heard some things about people and they
doing their thing, and I just want you to go
without saying your name. I'm so proud of all of y'all.
How about that I could apply to anyone listening, But
thank you Donald for saying supposed to. But they know

(39:03):
who they, they know who they are they and check
this out, check this out. Some of them don't even
know that I know, but trust me, I know right well.
The only clue I have to what the fuck you're
talking about, is that it came off of Brett Goldstein's abs.
Let's get back to the TV shows. Scrubs. Everybody scrubs.
So m Cox actually admits that he thinks Turk is

(39:27):
the best surgeon in the hospital, and then the shit
he's just doing that to pacify to it. No, I disagree.
I think he really does. But he's saying, I don't
care if you're the best. I'm still going to look
out for my patients, you know, for me. I know
you guys have issues with this, but I thought it
was showing, Look, Cox is the best doctor in the hospital,
and he does not care if it's the best surgeon

(39:49):
in the hospital. He's going to be there and eavesdrop
and make sure he does the right thing. That's how much.
That's the level of how much Cox cares about these patients.
He's going to micromanage every single fucking thing that happens
to them, or I think. I think what's happening is
he's just been given a ship ton of responsibility still
like before. It's it's he's back in the same situation

(40:10):
that he was in before. And yeah, okay, I will
say that he wants the best for his patients. But
I don't think he thinks Turk is the best. He
admits that Todd is the best, but Todd's bedside manners. Shit,
Oh is that what he said? I thought he said
that Turk was the best, and then he said, look
at your fellow, you know, yeah, because he's not. The

(40:31):
comparison of uh is like the best the best actor
on the Hills, which really took me. Yeah, that's where
The Hills comes up. He said, it's like asking who's
the best actor on the Hills. Well, it's clear as
Misha Barton. When The Hills was on you, did people
know that it was scripted? Yes, it's kind of like

(40:55):
it's kind of like ww F or what's it called
WWE now or it's like, wait, are you telling me
that The Hills was scripted? Yeah, it's like WWE in
that in that like the idea of what's going to
happen in this scene? Is are you going to tell
me next that freaking Newlyweds was scripted? I don't know
what you mean by Newlyweds. Oh shit, it's older than you.

(41:18):
You mean the Newlywed game? No, it's only Weeds, the
TV show with Jessica Simpson and Nick lash Well. Was
that scripts the number one freaking reality show? Right? But
was that scripted in a sense that they would say
like say, you guys talk about how you're freaking Hey,

(41:40):
let's I need to get you three together. I thought
it was really interesting when the writers when we joined,
remember we had to join the writers when they went
out on the writers strike, and we all wanted to
universal to march in line with them with placards. And
that's when it was exposed that there was fourteen writers
on Survivor, and there was fourteen writers on every single

(42:00):
one of these reality shows. Yeah, because they were all
on the picket line. Which was an AHA moment for me. Yeah,
I've Casey was the one that really explained it to me.
She was like, it's not that, it's like somebody's sitting there.
They come up with scenarios and they say, this is
what the scenario is, play it out. That must be

(42:22):
the Kardashian model, right, Like that's every model, that's every
model for every reality to the challenge. Yeah, you're mad
at so and so, and I need a shot of
you talking shit about them? Go right, these motherfucker's and
and this is another way to do it. We're gonna
get you all wasted out of your mind too, so

(42:44):
your emotions really fly. That's like the Bachelor and stuff.
Oh my gosh, that's why Bachelor in Paradise is the
best show ever. It's like, it's like ABC's version of porn. Man.
Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? It's it is
hell yea. Every week they get these guys plastered and say,

(43:06):
now have at it. They hook up. Oh my god.
Somebody will be like, it can't be that risk. Oh
my gosh. Somebody would be like, this is how crazy
it is. Somebody would be like, listen, while I'm on
this island, I'm just thinking about it's just you and
me and that's it. Okay, Let's just make sure that
it's you and me and the and the other person

(43:28):
will be like, Okay, while we're on this island, it's
you and me and nobody else. We're gonna do all
of the things that we We're gonna be in love.
The second somebody hotter than the person that they're talking
to walks in, the person is like, I know we
made this deal, but I'm gonna go on this day. Okay.

(43:48):
Every time, Like this shit is like every time and
never als man, this ship is so funny, it's so hilarious.
And then somebody mops around this beautiful desert island by themselves,
was drunk out of their mind in their feelings because
because they were stupid enough to trust somebody who went
on television to me, I haven't watched any shit like that,

(44:12):
and so long, I oh, it's the best, dude, It's
the best something that you and Casey will watch together
because she's the one that put me onto this ship.
Like this was one of those things where I was like,
I'm not watching this ship. Get the funk out of here.
And I sat in the same room and just listened
for like twenty minutes, and then afterwards I was like,
we gotta watch this again next week. Like there was

(44:34):
this one on the show named Jordan. He was the
best thing that ever happened, and he can't never be
Like these people find love and then you look him
up and then they're no longer together. Some people work out.
I love the show. Go ahead, Johnny, what are you
gonna say? Well, you know what happens. This used to

(44:56):
happen with Broadway musicals when great actors tell me the story,
the libretto, or like like Donald just did with this show,
and then they watch it. It's never as good as
when the great actor told me about it. Right, Well,
that's that's obviously the truth. Listen, they blow out that,
they blow out the thong, so you don't get to
see the ass and no booty on ABC. Someone should

(45:21):
fully like X version of this. Oh, I'm sure they
have it on Playboy. That's kind of what that's kind
of what Love Island is on Netflix. It's a love Island.
It's a little bit more as I mean, the next
level is someone's just gonna make one that's like they're
just really fucking and you're watching right sponsored by only fans. Yeah,
you gotta find a way to if you're gonna do that,

(45:43):
you got to find a way to make it so
it doesn't feel to cornish, you know, I know, But
don't you think it's headed that way. They're they're they're,
they're they're walking right up. Then they're walking right up
to the line. They know that there's an audience for it,
just no one's no one's cracked out how to do
it yet. Yeah, because the minute you start talking about
we're gonna have them fuck on live television, or we're
gonna have them fuck or something like that. Everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

(46:05):
I feel uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable watching, I know, but that's
just moving the what do they call that? Everybody is
not the ot all love to watch the Overton Window.
That's like the like the how do you explain the
Overton Window? Dan? I mean, it's just like what people,
you know, decide is appropriate here. I'll look at the definition. Yeah,
it's like it's like what people decide is appropriate. Now
obviously that slides. That slides. Let me ask you a question.

(46:27):
If it's dead even one half says I don't find
that's appropriate, and the other half says, I find that's appropriate.
What's the middle? Then they start airing it. That's not
what we're talking about it, that's what we're talking about.
A pole would never work in this case, because people
are gonna say what they want you, what they think
is acceptable within the Overton window to say, right, but

(46:47):
exactly that's my But once it gets onto a channel,
whether it be you know, however, it would get on
probably the internet. I assume first. Then all of a sudden,
the Overton window slides, and people go, this is acceptable.
Oh shit, are you watching that new reality show where
they actually fuck it's insane? Exactly, that's the actual definition, Dan,

(47:07):
It is exactly that the spectrum of ideas on public
policy and social issues considered acceptable that by the general public.
But you can't know if it's acceptable or not until
it's actually tried out though, of course, but slide. They
have to happen, and then they're kind of like it's
you know, you could look at it with music too,
like what used to be considered very like experimental kinds
of music are now just pop music. Well they ultimately

(47:30):
here's a very clear example recreational marijuana being legal. Say
that the Overton window is just completely slid. So another
perfect example TV in the eighties and nineties TV now. Yeah,
the things you can get away with on television, on
network television, compared to the things that you can get
away with now are way different. I see what you're saying.

(47:51):
That is the venue for which the overtin window has adjusted. Yeah, yes,
the venue for which the Overton window has adjusted. Dannie,
you're so articulate by the way, did you see um,
Michael B. Jordan in that in that Calvin Klein out Jesus,
I think everybody who's seen it as at paused for

(48:11):
a second. It was like, huh. Remember we were talking
about this last week and I said I wanted to
get my body in the shape of that. I am
of the belief now that that might not be as
attainable as I boasted about last week. I will, I
will set out on this goal and I will. How

(48:34):
are you doing with it in some way? Dude? That'sh
It's difficult, man. I keep I keep pushing the date back.
And it's because I had so much weed in my
house that it was like and I don't want to
throw it away because I spent the money on it,
and it was a lot of money. Why I'm not
giving away my marijuana. Dog, shit is mine. Listen, disrespect,

(48:57):
no disrespect to anybody. Dog. I paid for it. It's
like I paid for morolos. I'm gonna eat morolos, Dude,
it's the same shit I paid for the weed. I'm
gonna smoke my motherfucking weed. But here's a good thing.
Here's a great thing, is that I'm out. I'm not
going to the dispensary to get more. I'm just gonna
suffer and suffer and suffer until it no longer feels

(49:21):
like I'm suffering, and then I will be on the
other side. But right now, I do not like the
way I feel. I feel lost, I feel in a
haze or in a daze, and I really want to
smoke weed, but I'm not going to, but I really
fucking want to. Well, there's this thing I'm ready and
called unpopular opinion, and it makes me think unpopular opinion,

(49:44):
but colon and they say weed isn't addictive. That's bullshit.
That's a line. Anybody who said that is lying. Well,
is there any way? Is there any way we as
your friends could help you? Yeah, I mean, just no judgments.
And this is something that I got to deal with,
you know what I'm saying. That's honestly, that's all it

(50:04):
boils down to, Like everybody's going to deal with addiction
in some way. I'm not saying this is a fucking
I'm not saying I'm on the level of heroin or
cocaine or anything like that. But I have a straight
up weed problem right now. If you having girl problems
I feel bad for you, son, I got ninety one
nine problems and is one. I got ninety nine problems,

(50:27):
then weed is one. Well, no judgment. We love you
and if you do want our support in anyway, I'm
here for you. I'll do anything for you. Um, definitely,
I think a good step would be to not buy more.
I agree. Um, all right, let's get back to the
Scrubs show. Kelso, we catch Elliot and I catch Kelso.

(50:49):
He's hiding out at another coffee Bucks, and um, I
tell him that Elliot's granny panties are actually her granny's panties.
That is discussed, and then we have a fantasy sequence
where Jad imagines Elliott being sexy. This was very naughty shit,

(51:10):
I want to say. I just want to say, in
all without trying to sound like a creep, Holy fuck, Sarah,
what the hell were you like? Is that creatine? Like
she was not only ripped, but she was buff. She

(51:31):
was like looked like she was freaking lifting them weights,
like she was very propressing them things. You know what
I'm saying. Toned and sexy and uh, she looks she
looked like she was eating chicken and broccoli. Probably she
looked absolutely beautiful. She looked like a nineteen fifties star

(51:52):
out of Valley of the Dolls or right, you know
who was it, Fara Faster? Who is it in a
fifty foot woman? And also what was the one that
Jane Fonda did Barbarella and uh oh, Shena That's who
she looked like, Shena freaking uh with the leather. Yeah,
she had sort of a warrior princess outfit on. Yeah,

(52:12):
yeah she did not the warrior princess Shena back in
a day, the one with the little Tanya Roberts. Tanya Roberts, Yes, yeah,
Tanya Roberts. Yes. And then when she cut to me
and I, you know, I was obviously going to the
gym because I liked your clothes off. I didn't look
too shabby. Yeah, I took my shirt off. Yeah, I
was working on with the bills trainer. Then Urgan, you

(52:34):
didn't get the lights though she got the lights. They
didn't give you the lights. They didn't give me the
beauty lights. No, no, well hers was a fantasy and
mine was spoke meant to be. Actually in the coffee shop,
he took her shirt off to get the stage She's
like back, and I did that lean back to make
my abs look better. You know that lean back, lean
back back, lean back back. So then we go to

(52:57):
this wacky black hole world. Well, hold up, let's go back.
You're skipping ahead. First of all, we need to talk
about the janitor and how he fires the really nice janitor. Yes,
and then we find out that the yeah that was
fucked up, that dude had two episodes. He was the
nicest dude ever gets fired. I skipped to fund the

(53:18):
second funniest thing in the whole fucking show. I apologize audience.
When we have that fantasy where we're hooking up and
our hands clutch on them. O, my god, was Donald
was Donald's hand on top of your Yes? It was
he was? He was? You were you were? You were?

(53:39):
You were? I was the recipient, Yes, you recipient of
it was the recipient of the goods you were receiving,
Jack Donald. I remember us laughing. So even shooting that,
even just shooting the clutching of the hands, we were
cracking because the shot was so funny. We may see

(54:02):
so many people. You see my hand come down and
then you see his come down and clunch it. That
made so many people happy, so many people have wanted
that to happen for so long. Oh man, I laughed
so hard I laughed. So there's no never been a
shot of two hands that made me laugh harder than
that shot. Oh it's hard not to. It's hard not
to go off into your own private idaho on that one. Boy. Yeah, well,

(54:26):
I'm sure some fans did they pause. It's pretty darn good.
So um, let's see the janitor um was never hired back,
and he's making Ted mop for him. He's he's convinced
Ted that's he's he's injured because he's rusty from mopping
and uh and that, and so Ted is so happy
to have him back that Ted, who's not a very

(54:48):
good momper, has has taken over all of the cleaning responsibilities.
But but everything about, everything about Sammy's physicality in this
episode just yields huge dividends from him running around the
hallway to him not being able to mop, you know.
And what's crazy is sam was a tremendous athlete, like, yeah,

(55:11):
a tremedial. Oh my goodness, when I took listen, it
was so deceiving. And when I say he was a
good basketball player, I mean he was a very good,
smart and athletic dude. Athletic dude like you know what
I mean. Character he played, you know, he was not
like that at all, not like that. And if you

(55:33):
look at Sam out well, look at him outside of
the outside of the show, if you look at his
body when he would wear normal clothes, Sam had. Sam
was fit, always looked fit, took what I mean, could
he drain threes? Donald No, he was more of an
inside player. But and he was unorthodox too, like he
didn't buy it. Wasn't like he was a lefty or

(55:54):
anything like that. He just you don't expect somebody that
looked like Sam when you work with him to be
that good sports and he's phenomenal. He was phenomenal. Wow.
Like my brother, my brother high praises for Sam's basketball,
like high praises. And my brother doesn't talk nice about everybody,
but he talked nice about Sam all the time. He

(56:15):
was like, dude. Like. So, we played an NBA Entertainment League, right.
I tried so hard to get to Sam to play
in the NBA Entertainment League. He would always say no
because we would play on Sundays and he was a
huge Patriots fan. Right, But we would try so hard
to get him to play basketball with us because we
knew if we got him, people would look at him

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and be like, Ah, he's not gonna do anything, And
we knew that he would just destroy everybody. Right, Sam
was such an amazing athlete and so and and and
the character that he played on television made you think, oh,
this is gonna be a piece of cake. That's that's
also that's also saying how great of an actor he was. Also, like,

(56:57):
he was so good at what he did that you
would believe that he was that person and he wasn't
at all. This is funny because that Bill has the
rights of the janitor saying something that Bill always says.
And now if you're watching Shrinking, he's written it into
Michael Yury's character saying it. But it's the phrase everything
always works out for me. Oh that's right. So Bill

(57:20):
put it into Shrinking, Right, But don't you feel that
way that everything works out for him? Know that if
you are of that mind state set, absolutely, I think
what you manifest you put out there, and if you
genuinely believe this as Bill does, you have to genuinely
believe it you can manifest every day things working out
for you. And I think Bill lives by that, and

(57:41):
he's one of the most successful people in town because
he fully believes and manifests everything works out for me.
And I think he's living proof that if you have
the the will and the commitment to a mantra, that
you can make anything happen. But it's funny. It's very
obnoxious to people that that don't believe it, and he

(58:05):
and you kind of roll your eyes. But anyway, so
he gave it to the janitor here. But just a
funny connection to shrinking is that it's now a catchphrase
for Michael Yary and shrinking the Janitor pulls it off
here too. He's living the dream. Not only does he
get a pay raise, not only does he get a
pay raise, but he's now back on the books right.

(58:25):
And they didn't need have to go for a job
interview or anything. He just had to convince the lady
with the checks that he's supposed to get one. And
it's great. Bouncing that off of Ted, bouncing that off
of Sammy is just great. He convinces the woman that
he's gets double his salary and she just accepts it.
She's not a very good accountant. You, No, she is not.

(58:46):
She's not good an account she really shouldn't. I want
to know what her story is. You know, in modern
day television they'll go off and like just tell a
random person in the show's full story. I'd like to
know what a day in the life of that really
bad account woman is like, because, yeah, that's pretty good.
She's not really doing a very good job watching the
hospital's money. Let's take a break. We'll be right back

(59:07):
after these fine words. Okay, I have a question. Who
directed this episode? Okay, I love Ken winning him. I
don't understand why you guys were in a black room. Okay,
that's not Ken, that's Bill Um. I think if you

(59:29):
remember back in the day, there's a deep cut, there
was a very dramatic ish episode of Family Ties where
Michael J. Fox I believe, lost a Michael Alex pe
Keaton lost a friend. Do you remember his best friend? Yeah?
And they did a very stylized version of it where,

(59:49):
if you recall, it was kind of broke the fourth
wall of the sitcom and it was black and he
was walking through the sets. Do you remember this? Yes?
All right, So in my mind. This was sort of
Bill's own homage to that. It obviously is an out
of the box idea for Scrubs. We never really did
anything quite like this, but in his mind, we just
disappear into this sort of black void and finally tackle

(01:00:10):
the difficult conversations of are we going to really do
this again or not? So it wasn't a Ken thing.
I think it was a Bill writing it thing. Okay,
it took me out of the episode. Yeah, I just said,
I don't think I remember shooting it and didn't. And
what I didn't feel like I was very good at it.
I thought I was. I didn't know, I didn't know
mind the lines well enough, and I remember thinking at

(01:00:32):
the time I wasn't president or up up to the
task to do it as well as it needed to
be done. I disagree one hundred percent with you right there.
I think you both did a great job, and I
think it was missing. I think what was missing was
the ambiance in the background. I think the singling out.

(01:00:52):
When you single something out and you take away everything,
it's really really, really really really hard to keep the
audience captivated. That's just me and I know it. Probably
it might have worked for family ties. But I don't
you know, I have a hard time just when movies
are just a black set, or when TV shows or

(01:01:13):
when plays are just a black set. I think. I
think what you're also saying is that in this I
feel a lot in different forms of entertainment that the
style choice upstage the performance absolutely well, it also takes
away from the performance because in real life, you're fidgeting,
you're grabbing things, regardless of what's going on in the conversation.

(01:01:37):
Even if you're present and you guys are eye to
eye and looking and stuff like that, your body is
doing other things. When you take away all of that,
you know what I mean, and it's just you and
the other person a table and you're sitting there. You're
forced to just focus on that, and that's not necessarily realistic. Now,

(01:01:58):
I hear you, but I but all I'm saying is
I feel many times as I watch content that I go,
oh my god, you have such fucking amazing actors and
such incredible dialogue. All this style that you've put on
it is about you, the filmmaker or the showrunner, and like,
just let these fucking people talk, like I want to,
just you're upstaging the performances with your style, do you

(01:02:19):
know what I mean? Yeah, And and I don't know,
this might be this might be an example of that
for you, is what I was saying. It's it's hard
to if the whole show was like that, I could
totally by this point, I would totally be invested in
everything like that. But because this came out of nowhere
with no it wasn't even like it wasn't even like,

(01:02:39):
you know, with everything that's going on in this room,
I only have eyes for you, you know what I mean.
It wasn't even like that. It was just out of nowhere.
Everything disappeared. There was a quick line Donald and I
don't know, I just for full coverage where they were
like and suddenly it was like we were the only
two people in the room. I think, I think take

(01:03:00):
I think taking people out of the room is a
better thing to do than just all of a sudden
making it so that the room doesn't exist anymore. So, Um,
there's a moment where um, Jimmy is who does he
say this too? Is it me? All the energies in you,
I'm just opening the channels. This is at the end,
This is this is during the no no, no, no no,

(01:03:24):
this was this was no I'm this I'm still within
the show and he's working on me. He says that,
oh yeah, all the energies in you. I'm just opening
the channels and I'm like, God, that made me laught
so hard. Yeah, me too. And then Todd. I think
the first and only time Todd is the source of
the wisdom of the episode. He said life would be

(01:03:46):
so much easier for everyone if we just trusted each other. Yeah,
that was strange. It's impossible. It's like a stopped clock
being right twice a day. Todd finally has a piece
of wisdom that was very strange. I think he's a
Bill wanted to have him be the bizarrely be the

(01:04:06):
source of the of the wisdom. It's the episode is
about trust. Is Elliott Gonna and jd Are they gonna
trust each other? Is doctor Cox the you know, best
doctor or leader of the hospital gonna trust a surgeon
and Turk? Are those patients gonna trust each other? For
this kid bizarre kidney swap that we talked about. But

(01:04:27):
it's also about it's also about why we do what
we do, Like that was a major part about it too,
like coming back from the act, right, why would you
think we're dating? Why won't they do the transplant? Why
would you still work here? You know, the why is
a big question. Well it's the it's the number one
question coming back from the act right. And I thought
that was really interesting that. I mean, of course it's

(01:04:51):
a sitcom and that's what we do, but I know,
I thought it was very interesting that you know, who
gives a shit if JD and Elliot or dating? And
that's what Kelso says at the end. Yeah, Kelso, he says,
is uh. Kelso really drops the quote of the episode.
He says, who the hell cares what anyone else thinks?
Just look into your heart and do whatever the hell

(01:05:12):
makes you're happy. And you've been quoting that for so long,
Zach on this podcast, and I didn't remember when it
came in. And when I heard that ship, it was
like an epiphany. It was like, that's you're absolutely fucking
and I've been listening to you say this shit. You
said this to people that have called in, you said
this to people that have you know what I mean, Like,

(01:05:33):
this is something that has consistently and you give it,
You've given it to Ken too, you know, saying how
that line has resonated with you. And it wasn't until
I heard it today that it really fucking stuck with me.
You know. Yeah. I think a lot of Scrubs fans
like that, and I responded to that over the years,
and I think it's a good, really mantra for for

(01:05:54):
living your life, particularly in the in the modern era,
when so many people can weigh in on on your
own choices. I got goosebumps at the end when they
grabbed hands. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not ashamed. I shouted,
look at the happening like oh boy, yeah, no, like
in the best way, because it's such a slow, steady

(01:06:16):
build for these two and then the show kind of
like drops it for so long, and then to see
you guys just be friend like you and are so adorable,
it's just like, oh, it's friend dates. We're just hanging out,
and it's kind of like if you've ever seen two
friends like kind of fall in love or you're like,
oh no, they're doing you know, before they know they're
not quite catching up to like where they're feeling. It
was that kind of feeling. I was very excited I

(01:06:36):
love the end of this episode. I gotta tell you,
I was not expecting to be affected by it. But
when I when I when JD grabs her hand, I
fully got goosebumps. I was like, oh God, I'm really
rooting for them. I'm like, I'm truly invested. I feel
like it didn't come on suddenly either, though. I feel
like what I wrote this down, I feel like what

(01:06:58):
Bill did and how he's placed this from when the
time you guys had broken up into you know what
I mean into now. It's not like this comes out
of nowhere. And also, I think he knows he's wrapping
me up, us up, you know, like the future of
what was going to happen next season was very unclear.
I think he knows that he's gonna stick the landing

(01:07:20):
with me and Elliott and then do a proper ending
of season eight, right like like we know we do
that amazing, incredible walking down the hallway and the images
of our future. And so he's building. He knows he's
as a showrunner, he's got to get to there by
the by the end, because I was gonna says he

(01:07:41):
put he planted a hopeful seed in every season there's
a hopeful seed. Even in the season where JD breaks
her heart completely, he still plants a hopeful seed that
they can get back together. Every year, you love planting seeds.
I planted at least six of them that you know about. Um,

(01:08:03):
so we said at least um. Well, that brings us
to the end of the episode. Um, Johnny. Any ending thoughts,
Just that you guys are crushing this thing. I don't
know how you've been doing the perseverance you guys have
exercised in your podcast. It's just I know there's sometimes

(01:08:25):
when you don't feel like doing it and maybe it's
a bummer, but you and Joel and Daniel and d
you guys just crushing this thing. I'm so proud of you.
It's so fresh every time you do it. And there's
got to be times where it's just like discipist bringing
the boulder of the god damn mountain everything when we're
doing it. I do dread it sometimes when we're when
I'm supposed to do it, But the second I see

(01:08:46):
that's what I mean action. When somebody calls action, you're
gonna do something. But prior to it, uh, you know,
if you have a cold or if you just broke up,
or if somebody passed. There's a million things and it
doesn't matter. It's somebody calls action, or if the curtain
goes up, you gotta do something. But it's it's the
in betweens, which is the heavy lifting. Hey man Well

(01:09:07):
said every actress should hear that as a deep Johnny,
I'm gonna come out. I'm gonna. I want to come
with him. I want to. I want it to be
a mandate with all of us. I hope you guys
aren't just adul Are you around? Um? Are you around Saturday? Johnny? Yes,
I am not all right? Well I might I might
hit you up for Saturday, uh, because I'm going away.

(01:09:29):
I'm going on a tour for my new film. Hey John,
I'm having a um a screening of my film. I'd
love you to come on the twenty third of March
if you're in town. What day of the week is that?
That is a Thursday. The film comes out in March
twenty fourth on a on a Friday. Um, And I'm
about to go on a tour, so U let's do

(01:09:50):
a little housekeeping, Joel. We're gonna be off for um
one week and then we're gonna do a special top
secret episode for you that's a surprise, and then we're
gonna be off another week, right, we might be. I
need to figure out my hiatus week. Cathy and I
are working on it, and I'll send everyone a calendar
and i'll update the fans, you know, if you're listening,
like they'll be new episodes and some classic episodes mixed in. Yeah,

(01:10:13):
an audience, I just want to tell you, Um, um,
Donald is starting his new show and I'm going on
a press tour to promote a good person. So um,
the schedule will be a smigen wonky um. But um,
we are bringing you a very cool surprise we can't
tell you yet. Episode. Excited for them, I'm excited for
them to end. Two means not only for them, I'm

(01:10:34):
not I'm not only excited for the audience. I'm excited
for the for the people who aren't necessarily listeners to
fake Doctor's real friends, to see the capacity of I'm surprise.
I'm not going to give it away. A firepower that
you're bringing, that we're bringing. It's going to be a surprise, everybody. Wow. Yeah,

(01:10:56):
we'll tell you. We'll tell you, Johnny when we get
off the air. No, by the way, did you hear
when Sarah thought we did this live? And then when
we go to commercial, we really sit around and chat
and wait for the commercials to end. She's the best,
She's amazing, She's the best. I love her so much.
What was the day of the special episode? As Joe?

(01:11:16):
We're probably gonna air that one on the twenty first,
so okay, yeah, all right, um, so okay wait before
we go, Yeah, we're wrapping up ahead the Mandalorian. We're
not going to talk about that at all. No, we've
had We've had a VERI. You're yelling. You're yelling because
we're talking passion, and we talked about yelling. We talked

(01:11:37):
about we talked about we did audience does not want
to be yelled at, Honey. I am sorry, and I
am sorry, but it is Thursday. Is a good motherfucker.
I mean, it's it's it's listen, man, there are two versions.
Just keep it with all due respect, please keep it short,
like it's two versions of story our wars. Now, there's

(01:12:01):
what the fans want and then there's the storytelling. This
is a very fan heavy show. So if you're a
fan of Star Wars. You tune into this, You're gonna
get what you want if you're a story driven Star
Wars fan and doors for you. If you like me
and you love it all, it's wonderful. Nah, you're ridiculous beautiful.

(01:12:28):
You know. I love that Star Wars makes you so happy.
I hope that I can one day make you as
happy as George. You make me. Listen, dude, you make
me so, you make me. I'm jealous. I'm jealous of
how happy George Lucas makes you. It's not just George Lucas,
it's also John Fabera. Yeah, and all listen, but I'm
gonna tell you something right now. You make me happier
than they ever. Thank you. In the cold tub with

(01:12:52):
you and just be receiving your your We should go
in the tub together, maybe in the tub story now. Listen,
it's like it's like one of those small little barrels.
I want to get in there with you, face to face. Yeah,
I want to feel your breath. I need your heat,
or maybe I need the heat from you. Think we
shouldn't go in face to face, we just go in there,
but we'll go in there spooning. I need your heat

(01:13:14):
recommend you going as a spoon warmth. You guys going
in together is in the mouth. He doesn't need you
to blow somebody and he doesn't want is ice tub
fucking ruined by us spooning it? We will not ruin it.
We will not ruin it. There will be no fluids.

(01:13:36):
There will be nothing like that. No, there would be
no fluids exchange. All I'm saying is I need your heat. Yeah,
I need your heat. I need to hold you, I
need your warm On the edge of the tub, We're
gonna on the edge of the on the edge of
the tub, we're gonna grip each other's hands like in
the episode. All Right, that's it, everybody. Please check out

(01:14:02):
A Good Person trailer. It's on YouTube. I'm doing a
whole tour around the country and the United Kingdom to
promote A Good Person, starring Morgan Freeman and the legendary
Florence Pugh and Molly Shannon. Please check it out. It's
coming to a theater near you on March twenty fourth. Johnny,
we love you so much. I love you guys, Thank
you so much for being on the show today. All Right,

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