Jayden Daniels No Matter What! | Fitz's Favorite Startup Pick In Every Round (Ep. 248) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back, everybody. It's the Dynasty Fantasy Football podcast on
Fantasy Pros. I'm your host, Scott Baglin. Follow me on
the Twitter at vogin Sports. I'm Droid as always by
Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore ff on the Twitter Machine,
and today on the show, Fits is the star because
we are going over his favorite picks in every round

(00:24):
of a startup draft for going to I think sixteen
rounds deep, sixteen players deep. So FITZI, this is a
fun exercise. We did it last year as well. This
is the one where you know we are all we're
only going to sixteen this year because last year I
picked defenses and kickers down there and then you guys
got mad at me. So but yeah, twenty players to

(00:45):
go through. I like this process, and the point of
this is to show, like, hey, if a guy's value
gets to this point, I'm taking him every time. You know,
it doesn't really matter who else is in the round.
If a guy falls as far, I'm probably to have
him on my radar. Of course, there are exceptions, like
I think the first three of your four picks this

(01:06):
is a super flex of course, are quarterbacks, so obviously
you wouldn't take three quarterbacks in the first four rounds,
but the value is so good for that guy in
the fourth round that you have to be there. So
what is it that you pull the most out of
doing this exercise here, FITZI.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, I mean just looking at round values is sort
of interesting. And doing this by ECR, so you know,
maybe ECR is a little different than ADP in some spots,
but just getting an idea of which guys I like
relative to the market, and this is sort of a
different way, just a framing from a startup draft perspective.
Maybe only five percent to ten percent of our audience

(01:43):
is in the midst of a startup draft right now,
but this could still be helpful, sort of a you know, guys,
if you're interested in which guys I like, me making
a case for them, and you know, putting it in
round perspective, and you know, if you want, while you're
consuming this show, you can pull up our ECR and
sort of follow along and look at the blocks of

(02:04):
twelve that I'm choosing from with each of these rounds.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you get to go through
the ECR and the list when you're making this list,
because I you know, obviously I'll be doing this next week.
We'll be taking my favorite players. It's good to see
what the value is, what the perceived value is in
the market of all these players. To know that if
there's a guy that you're not as high on but
he's on your roster, maybe it's a good time to

(02:28):
trade him. Maybe it's a good time to buy low
on a player that we don't mention at all, things
of that nature. It's really good to do this and see.
But let's dive into it, and let's just get into
your first player here, because in super Flex, I mean,
there are scenarios where you don't take a quarterback. But
I feel like in super Flex, everyone wants to leave

(02:51):
with a quarterback to start the first round, correct FITZI.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think so. I mean some people would rather take.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
If they're maybe mid to late rounds Jamar Chase, justin
Jefferson and wait a little bit on quarterback.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And you know, looking at my list, there are.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Ways you could do it and still be happy with
your quarterback situation. But yeah, I would personally rather just
take one of the stud qbs.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'll say this, your roster will look better if you
hit things correctly, right, if you can get some of
those guys at their ECR where they're falling, FITZI, I
think you would rather take like a Justin Jefferson here
in the first Jamar Chase, whoever it might be, and
then work your way to a quarterback later. But it

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just never feels good when you don't take a quarterback.
You know they're limited. There's a limited quantity of guys
that can start for your team, and you're just seeing
them get snapped up off the board over and over
and over in front of you and you don't have
one yet. It's a nerve wracking feeling. So our first
player is quarterback Jayden Daniels, and I believe his ECR

(04:04):
right now is three. Is that correct, Fitzi?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
It is three overall, So we have him behind Josh
Allen is QB one in ECR, Lamar Jackson QB two,
Jaden Daniels QB three. But we've talked about this, Bogs.
Jane Daniels is my QB one, right.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I guess my question here is because we've talked about him,
he is your one. I don't have like a big argument.
I would say that I'll take Lamar and Josh over him,
just because of the consistency they put years together. My
question about Jane Daniels and having him won, it's not
about the talent. Obviously, it's there. He's a running quarterback.
We saw a lot of the upside and that they've

(04:42):
added weapons this year, right, so in his first year,
if he takes a big step, he could be huge.
But we also saw that two years ago from CJ. Stroud,
who took a significant backslide in twenty twenty four. And
there is a little bit of worry for every player
that breaks out in their rookie season for a sophomore slump.
Why is there no worry for you about the sophomore slump? Well?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
CJ.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Stroud's offensive line turned to dust last year, Yet the
Texans traded their best offensive lineman, Laramie Tonsell to of
the Washington Commanders, so Washington has Tonsol to protect Jayde
daniels blindside this year. They also spent their first round
pick on Josh Connery to play right tackle. The middle
of the line looks pretty good with Tyler Biadage at center,

(05:29):
Sam Cosmy at guard. Jade Daniels is gonna have a
good offensive line in front of him, unlike CJ. Stroud
last year and maybe this year too. Yeah, Daniels was
QB five in fantasy scoring as a rookie and delivered
big time value as a runner eight hundred and ninety
one rushing yard, six t D runs and he's a
pretty advanced passer, like he is the total package and

(05:50):
he's only twenty four. So for me, just because the
age thing, I would rather have him ahead of Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's not like if you're sitting at the three that
you're disappointed if Jade Daniels goes ahead of you. Even
if you do have him at one, you get Josh
Allen or Lamar. If you kind of see that as
a tier, then three is probably your favorite spot. Like
if you're doing KDS or whatever, you want, three am
I right in that fit seat.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
It is a really good spot box.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And I always like being toward the middle and a
dynasty startup because then you don't get these long runs
where you have to go, you know, twenty plus picks
in between your picks, you know, you can patrol things
a little bit, manage positional runs, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
So yeah, I like the I like the one on
three spot a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
You're picking round two? Is Drake May, who's ECR is
currently eighteen, and how high are you willing to take
May in round two? You know, let's say you're picking
closer to the end, you don't get jayde Daniels. Is
Drake May now such a priority for you that you
would take him around like pick fifteen or thirteen fourteen,

(06:59):
like on the edge, or is he Hey, look, I'm picking
at three Drake May falls past the middle of the
second round. I think that's absurd value and you have
to take him there bugs.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think i'd take him as early as like pick
eight nine, ten.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, yeah, I mean right now in our Dynasty super
Flex CCRE, we have Justin Herbert at QB ten.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I would rather have Drake May.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean, Justin Herbert is a talented cat, but he
is really sort of tamped down by that offense, like
they're not going to throw a lot. They operated a
glacial pace under Greg Roman, you know, and Herbert's older
than May. We've got Patrick Mahomes at number eight. Mahomes
is getting older and he hasn't been vintage Patrick Mahomes
for a couple of years now, so I like, I

(07:44):
would rather have Drake May than either of those guys.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, that's interesting. I thought I was going to smoke you,
and I was going to say, because I have him
at twelve in my super Flex rankings, so he's a
first rounder to me, but you have him at eight
that is higher than me. We talked about that. I'm
a little higher on bo Nicks, I think than you are.
You're a little bit higher on Drake May. Again, you

(08:07):
know we're splitting hairs. It's young quarterback with tons of
upside that probably needs the offense around them to get
a little bit better, and I think they both will
this year, and the Patriots have way more room to
grow than the Broncos do.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I wouldn't say the Patriots have a good supporting cast
for Drake May yet, but it was completely abominable last year,
and yet he still was pretty solid as a passer.
Sixty seven point two percent completion percentage, six point seven
yards per at ten. Solid numbers for a twenty two
year old guy with an awful supporting cast. And the

(08:42):
thing I've been trying to impress upon people with May
not just for Dynasty, but for Redraft this year. Like,
we know that rushing ability is a cheat code for qbs,
And if you take out Drake May's Week eighteen start,
where he only played one series, he averaged thirty seven
point two rushing yards per game, which works out to
six hundred and thirty two over a full season. I

(09:05):
think they could get to seven hundred and eight hundred
rushing yards in year two based on how aggressively he
ran in college at North Carolina, and May only had
two touchdown runs last season. Like I think for a
guy who had sixteen touchdown runs in twenty six games
as a college starter, I don't think it's far fetched
to think he could do five or six rushing touchdowns
this year.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you just never know. Those
rushing touchdowns are so finicky. But it's definitely it's in
the toolbag, and he did not use it last year.
That's what you know. There are plenty of players that
have tools in the toolbag that just don't get used.
Trevor Lawrence, We've talked about forever, you know, like the
dude ran for more yards than Justin Field did their
last year in college. Like just let the dude, run

(09:47):
and no one has let him run because he's the
only good player and blah blah blah. So but Drake
May definitely is a good quarterback and I'm willing to
take him in the first round. So I love that
his CCRs at eighteen. As to you and number three,
I mean, I'll pick someone different next week because you
picked him here, but we both know this is both
of our guys. It's Brock Bowers, who's ECR right now

(10:10):
is number twenty nine. No other tight end on your list?
How important is getting Bauers to you? And is there
really any other pick you want to make in the
third round?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Man, yeah, we have a We're convening a meeting of
the Brock Powers fan club right here. So I've got
him ranked eighteenth overall in my Dynasty Superflex Rankings, non
tight end premium.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Where do you have them?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Boggs twenty five, So I twenty for the beginning of
the third round, So yeah, you're higher than me. Again,
I don't like it, FITZI.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, man, I mean see that's funny because I figured,
like I'm probably getting him in the second round unless
I'm in a league with Scott Bogman. Maybe I'd get
him anyway, you know, with where I have him ranked
relative DCR, I think I have a pretty good chance
to land him one hundred and twelve catches and almost
twelve hundred, eleven and ninety four in his age twenty

(11:03):
one season. This is just a different kind of dude,
and we are lucky that we get to watch this
guy play football for the next ten plus years.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, I mean he is. I guess the reason I
put him in the third round is because he is amazing.
I just don't know that he gives you. He doesn't
give you that like insane Travis Kelcey difference. Maybe he will.
Because last year was his rookie season. The quarterback play
was horrific, but they also didn't have a run game

(11:33):
at all, you know, so I'm expecting gent to come
in and kind of change the face of this offense,
along with obviously Pete Carroll and Gino Smith. But there's
meat on the bone, you know, for him to grow
to be an even better tight end than he was
obviously in his rookie season. So there's just so much
upside here. I'll say this, I'm just looking at his

(11:55):
rankings for let me just look at the Dynasty one
and see who is actually number one, and see if
you are highest. You know what, I just can't get
it to come up. We're having some and then technical
issues on the internet today, so I can't get it
to come up. But you're you're ahead of me, and

(12:16):
we know we're at the tip of the spear in
terms of where brock Bowers goes.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, and the other point I'll make bugs why I
don't think anyone should feel like they're stretching if they
want to take Rock Bowers in the second round of
a Dynasty startup.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Like Sam Laporta snuck up on us.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
He was kind of a surprise as a rookie, you know,
good prospect coming out of Iowa, and certainly that was
a limited offense. But like Rock Powers, we knew this
was coming. Yeah, you and I had been watching this
guy's career at Georgia like he was a monster in
the toughest conference in the land, and he did it
as a true freshman and just kept going from there.

(12:54):
So like we saw this train coming, like we had
our ticket, we were ready to climb aboard.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I've got them all over the place because last year
no one was as excited as you and I I
feel like I'm sure there was someone more excited than us,
you know, just the law of average this there definitely
was someone. So apologies, but I know we were extremely
high on brock Bauers. That one worked out. We'll talk
about one that didn't work out later because we're both

(13:20):
not giving up on them. My favorite of all of
your picks here, and I listed it as that on
our sheet, the fourth round. This is the most interesting
to me because the third and the fourth round in
the super Flex have an insane amount of value because
there are so many quarterbacks going high obviously because they're

(13:40):
a limited commodity here that running backs drop. Running backstrop
in Dynasty anyway, because the shelf life is so short.
But there are good wide receivers falling. The tip of
tight end is falling Trey McBride. It can be found
here as well. And you still pick the quarterback. And

(14:01):
I love it because your first two picks are quarterbacks,
but JJ McCarthy here, if he falls, you want him
in the fourth Does JJ McCarthy having a fourth round
ECR make you more willing to not take a quarterback
in the first two rounds, Or is it, Hey, look,
if I can get Jayden and I can get May,

(14:22):
to hell with the rest of the quarterbacks, that's the
start I want because that gives me the biggest difference.
Or is it, Look, if I can get an elite
wide receiver Drake May and then McCarthy in the fourth
that is my ideal strategy.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, I mean if I I just think he's a
really good fourth round option if you don't already have
two quarterbacks. And look, I'm nowhere near as high on
JJ McCarthy as our colleague Derek Brown is, like deebro
is totally sold. I'm not as sold, but this is
a bet I'm willing to make. McCarthy is a good
arm and he is going to deliver some rushing value.

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He's also in a nearly ideal ecosystem him with Kevin
O'Connell as his mentor and play caller, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ.
Hockinson as his pass catchers, an improved offensive line. The
Vikings really patched up the middle of it in the
off season. So just for some perspective here, JJ McCarthy's

(15:17):
ECR is forty eight, so he is the last pick
of the fourth round, and he is right in front
of him three receivers for Shee, Rice Tat, McMillan, DeVante Smith.
So yeah, I mean I feel comfortable taking him. We
know what quarterback value is in super flex leagues, and
you know, I'm I'm cautiously optimistic about JJ McCarthy. I'd

(15:41):
say cautiously optimistic even though I'm a Packer fan and
Viking hater, but I do think he's gonna Like they
invested in him, They had the opportunity to bring back
Sam Darnold declined, had the opportunity to bring in Aaron
Rodgers declined, Like they are charting a path forward with
JJ McCarthy, and I truyt Kevin O'Connell as a judge

(16:02):
of quarterback talent.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, and I laid it out
before with you know when we were talking about McCarthy
a couple episodes ago, where you know, Kevin O'Connell just
produces really good quarterbacks. Kirk Cousins had some of his
best seasons for Minnesota, Sam Donold out of nowhere was
amazing for the Vikings. So yeah, I'm I'm right there
with you in terms of wanting JJ McCarthy as one

(16:26):
of my options. If I can get him, great, I'll
say this, I'm with you in the fact that, like, look,
i want to get those two qbs at the top,
and I'll find talent in rookie drafts. I'll find talent
at running back, wide receiver, tight end at the other positions.
Quarterbacks are two hit or miss coming into the NFL.
They're too hard to trade for. So I want the

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two qbs. But sometimes the value just isn't there, you know,
and you have to go with a position player in
those early rounds and skip a QB and hopefully you
can find when the falls, and this is our guy.
If one falls, that's the one we want before we
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waiting at all. The fifth round, Fitzie, Jordan Addison, the
wide receiver from the Vikings. You're pairing him with JJ

(17:58):
McCarthy kind of, but is year wide receiver two in
the majority of your leagues right now?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
No, I think I only have Addison on one of
my Dynasty teams, and I'm disappointed about it.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, that is that's that's a little disappointing. But I
love this talent man, and I know Hawk is coming back,
But Jordan Addison I just think underrated going into the draft.
An absolute stud. I think he's going to flourish, but
Jefferson is always going to be there. So not everyone
say shares this opinion with us.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, not always.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, the hope is that Addison is only twenty
three years old, and he is. Yes, he's sharing targets
with Justin freaking Jefferson, and yet he's still been a
top twenty five receiver in each of his first two years.
He's already had a ten touchdown season and a nine
touchdown season, And yes, his fantasy value has been somewhat

(18:51):
touchdown driven. But Addison is still really young and at
some point he probably won't be playing with Justin Jefferson anymore.
So I would say, let worry about the target limitations
and invest in a super talented young receiver who was
a first round draft pick for good reason.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I think the same energy you bring to Jalen Wattle
with Tyreek Hill, the same energy you bring with t
Higgins and Jamar Chase, that's what you should bring with
Jordan Addison because that is the upside.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
By the way, had a rushing touchdown this year, So
back to back seasons.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
With ten ton touchdowns. That's right. I forgot about the run.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, So I mean this guy, he has a nose
for the end zone. They passed Abou at an absurd rate.
I love Addison. I think he is a steal Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And by the way, so Addison is Oh he's fifty
seven in ECR, so he is kind of at the
back of the fifth round.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
You might be able to get him in the sixth.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, moving up too, because you had him at sixty
just a couple of days ago. So obviously the fits
influence coming in here for us. Here around number six,
you have Michael Pennix going off at number sixty one.
It super flex, But this is your fourth QB on
the list already, Pennix. Is Penix a better pick if

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he does end up falling here or are we sticking
to our early qbs? That's what we want, And this
is just like, hey, look if you if you put
together the rest of your team. I just don't know
if Pennix actually falls here in drafts. So I guess
give me your overall thoughts on Penix. Everyone knows you're
the Penix guy. You're the conductor of this train. I'm

(20:27):
I'm waiting on the uh I'm waiting on the platform.
I've got my JJ McCarthy ticket, but I don't have
a Penix ticket like you do.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, last quarterback on my list, I swear so, and
I think I would rather have Penix if I could
get him here. So he was let's see, he was
ECR sixty one. Let's see if he's still at sixty one,
he's dropped to sixty two. So early sixth might have
to grab him in the fifth realistically, but in a

(20:53):
super flex startup box, I'm pretty much always taking a
quarterback with one of my first two picks, but I
will sometimes wait on my second QB. And if I
knew I could get Pennix in the back half of
the fifth round or early in the sixth, which is
where the ECR is, then I would hammer other positions
in the early rounds and take Penix.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Like you know how I feel about the guy.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't know if there are ten quarterbacks on planet
Earth with more arm talent than Michael Pennox Junior. And
while betting on a young QB can be risky, I
feel pretty comfortable betting on Penix because he is good
at turnover avoidance and great at sack avoidance, so I
don't think he's in any danger being benched early in
his career for mistakes. The one drawback is that Penix

(21:37):
doesn't run much, so he's going to have to put
up big passing numbers to be a quarterback one, and
they're probably going to be seasons where he's only a
quarterback two. But I would feel great about having Michael
Pennox Junior as my second quarterback in a super flex league,
and he actually is my second quarterback in a couple
of leagues.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah. Well, and I guess the way that you have
him here is he's definitely the third quarterback that you
want on every team, right, like just the way that
you Yeah ideally, so I know you said, look, normal
quarterbacks on the list. You have to take other shots.
We can talk about them at the very end, some
deep dart throws that you want or whatever, but there's

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not a lot of quarterbacks that are going to be
around after this that aren't just straight up handcuffs for
whoever you have, right, So this is kind of the
last stop at starting quarterbacks is around round six. Let's
go to round seven here, I Meka Buka going off
and pick seventy seven. I love Igbuka. I think you know.
I was on with you initially when he got drafted

(22:39):
by the Bucks in the draft show, and we were
kind of surprised, right like this, it seemed to be
the most complete room that the Bucks had was the
wide receiver room. Evans Chris Godwin coming off an injury,
but they paid him, so we're assuming they heard good
news about him and jam McMillan had a nice jump forward.
Baker Mayfield through his first season with forty touchdowns, which

(23:02):
you know he'd never even had a season with thirty touchdowns.
You made that point last week. But this is this
is a fearless pick because this wide receiver room is
so good already. Is this a combination of just like, hey, look,
Mike Evans is old, Chris Godwins is hurt, and McMillan
is not in Igbuca's ball. You know he's not in

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his range in terms of upside, not even close.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think Jalen McMillan is any
threat whatsoever. McMillan averaged something like one point two to
two yards per out run last year.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Not not a real impressive number.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
He just he scored a lot of touchdowns late in
the year after Godwin had gotten hurt.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Like, I don't want a dog McMillan.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I think he's a decent player, but Egbukah is a
much better player, and we know Igbuka is probably not
going to put up big numbers in year one. But
you know, Mike Evans is in the twilight of his career.
Godwin's coming off a major injury and may or may
not be the same player. Sogbuka is more of a
play for year two and beyond, but I really like him.
Bugs Am I am I cheating by having rookies on

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my list?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't think in.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Some startups because this is a tricky round. We're in
the seventh here, right, so we're it's a really rookie
heavy round in ec R. It's Judkins to uh, Bryce Young, Loveland,
Warren Agbuka, Tyreek Hill, Brandon Ayuk, Justin Fields, George Pickens.
I like George Pickens might have been my other choice.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, we'll be hearing about him next week.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Would Bryce Would Bryce Young be a value if you
could get him in the seventh in a superflex?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Would you rather take George Pickens?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I would rather have Pickens. Yeah, And I think Bryce
Young was great last year, but if he has another backslide,
he's he might be done, you know, if they're picking
at the top next year, Carolina. I mean there's a
lot of quarterbacks up there that are not and Bryce
Young is not going to have any loyalty left to
him at that point. So yeah, I think I would

(24:59):
rather have George Pickens, all things being equal because I
already have two quarterbacks. I don't want Bryce Young to
be Bryce Young could be my third, that's fine, but
I'm not taking him ahead of Pickens. Yeah, you know,
I mean scenarios.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Young did play well at the end of last year,
but we have a pretty small sample size of him
actually playing well.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
And it should get better. Like he's in a perfect
situation for a quarterback. I know the defense is improved
from last year, but it was historically bad last year,
so let's just upgrade it too bad this year? Right,
it's still bad, right, so you know they should be
playing point for point. They added a number one wide
receiver in Ted McMillan, Like, things should get better for
Bryce Young, but if they don't, he could be replaced

(25:40):
pretty quickly next year. So we will see the eighth
round for Fitzie has Jade Reid. I picked ninety five.
I couldn't believe that you picked a Packers wide receiver,
but you did right on your list and I didn't
get many notes from you, but this one was bad
round for you taking jayde Reid and obviously it's old guys,

(26:01):
it's tight ends in this round. Would you rather take
a risk on someone later in ECR, and you were
kind of hampered by the selections in this round? Or
is this look it's a bad round, but Jayden Reid
is still a good player. Obviously the snap count thing
was weird last season, but who knows how much longer
Dobbs is going to be around. And you know, Wix

(26:22):
didn't do anything and Watson's hurt, so it might just
be a lot of golden and reed this year.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, it's just this is an old guy round, according
to our ECR.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Okay Chewba Hubbard's there.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I like Chew, but I just don't know how much
value he's gonna beyond this year. Mark Andrews, Mike Evans,
you know, Tucker Craft who I like, but I think
i'd rather have Janry, David Montgomery, Joe Mix and Devontae Adams.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's an old round, Alvin Kamara.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
This is kind of one of those rounds maybe than fits,
where it's like you're either taking young talent to grow
or you're taking a crusty Alvette because you like the
way that this your team has been built in the
starting lineup, and maybe you can win some cash this year, right.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, And I'm not totally opposed to taking a crusty
old vet in a startup draft, like generally not the
way I build, But you know you're gonna have one
or two of those guys.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I'd be willing to.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
But you know, I'm still somewhat optimistic about Jaden Reid.
It's just a weird year last year, and I don't
know if Jordan Love was fully right all season after
that mcl sprain in Week one, which from which he
came back pretty early, only missed two games.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
So yeah, we'll see on Reid.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's kind of a the jury is out on a
lot of these packer pass catchers.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Let's talk about Jayden Reid outside of the context of
taking him in a startup like this is a good
value for him because he lost value going into twenty
twenty five from twenty twenty four. Is Jayden Reid also
a guy that you would trade for.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
No, I don't think so, because if I'm putting in
a trade offer, like I'm conveying to the other manager
that I value Jayden Reid and want him, and I'm
I'm not sure. I'm not sold on him, honestly, Okay, Bogs.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
So a third round pick would you do that for James.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, second, it depends.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's like I, if it was a second from I
don't know I'd be willing to give up a late second.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
But you'd have to have someone you're willing to just
dust off your roster.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, if I was worried, like I might have a
bad team and that might be a high second round pick,
I don't know if I'd want to give that up
for Jade Reed.

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(29:35):
round number nine. Now, I'm wondering if your opinion has
switched here because you actually had two names on the list.
You had the rookie Luther Burden from Chicago at ninety eight,
and you said he just beat out Piersaw. So first
of all, why Burden slightly over Piersaw? And with Burden

(29:58):
maybe holding out of camp right now, not being at camp,
and Ben Johnson having some negative words about him, I
believe today or yesterday as we're recording this, I saw
it this morning. Is this one where maybe now just
with all things being equal, these guys being close, maybe
you would flip Peers all over Burden.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I mean, if I don't want to freak out
about anything going on with Luther Burden right.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Now, it could be nothing. He signs tomorrow and who
writes about anything said today? Yes?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Right? And I really do like Peersaw.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I like what he showed us late last year in
that little three game run at the end of the
season where he was really productive. I wouldn't be surprised
if he turned out to be the forty nine ers
wide receiver one this year. I guess I have Burden
and would prefer him over Pearsall have him one spot
ahead of Pearsall on my super Flex rankings. Close call,

(30:52):
but I think Burden offers the higher ceiling. This is
a dude who was the number one recruit in the
country coming out of High schoo and then as a
sophomore playing in the SEC, had eighty six catches for
twelve hundred yards and nine touchdowns. Ricky Piersall never had
a thousand yard season in college, never had more than
five touchdowns in a season in college, and that's not

(31:13):
meant as a slight. I think Piersall could be one
of those guys who puts up better numbers in the
NFL than he ever did in college.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Also had Anthony Richardson throw on.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
To him, so you know, fair fair, But you know,
I just I do think Burton has the slightly higher
sea ceiling. Like what that dude can do with the
ball in his hands is like you know he does.
He moves like Alan Iverson man, he's an ankle breaker.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
That was one of the things going into I hate
the landing spot for Burdon. I really don't like it
because I think Roma Dunza is good and he's way
better than what he played last year. We'll see, but
I know DJ Moore is excellent. Colson Loveland is in
there as well, and we know they're going to want
to run the ball a decent amount, So you know,

(31:59):
I don't. I don't love the landing spot, but there's
no doubting that the talent is top tier for Luther Burton.
And I know he got a lot of disrespect in
the draft community because of his senior season there at
Missouri his final season, can't remember senior his final season,
but whatever, his last season in Missouri, he just wasn't

(32:19):
the same guy. But he got hurt early. Then Brady
Cook got hurt as well. Like I just I know him.
You don't need to make excuses for every single player.
But with the guy this talented to take that step
of a that big of a backwards step, I think
was surprising and I just don't really buy it.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I counterpoint, go ahead, counterpoint about the landing spot, Bogs,
I'm and Ralph Saint Brown fared pretty well under Ben
Johnson in Detroit. Right, where do we think Luther Burton
is primarily going to line up with the Bears in
that offense?

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be the slot guy.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, So I mean what if he is Ben Jonson's
new Amen rah.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, he might be like and I like this pick.
I just I know that's why he gets disrespected, and
that's you know, I have him. I believe what is
his overall ECR right now?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You said on ninety eight ninety eight?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I have him at seventy nine, So I'm way higher
than consensus. So I'm in on this pick as well.
Even though I despise the landing spot, I'm much higher
on him. Let's go to your round ten guy, Trey Harris.
So back to back rookies here, he's going off at
one ten. The only other tight end you even mentioned

(33:35):
on this list outside of Bowers, is that Trey Harris
slightly beat out Pits. So is this one of those
scenarios where, look, I'll take Pits, but I have to
have missed out on Bowers because obviously Bogman was in
the league and picking ahead of you in round three, right,
so I was picking ahead of you. I took Bowers.
Is Pits like the only other tight end value that

(33:55):
you really like before we get to Harris?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, for the handful of audience members who are still
listening to her watching the show after hearing the name
Kyle Pitts evoked, I'm not ready to give up just yet, Bogs.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I'm really not.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I know a lot of people maybe maybe Kyle Pitts
just doesn't have that dog in him, and like it's
just not going to work out. But he's still only
twenty four years old, even though he has disappointed us
multiple seasons, and he's still the guy who broke Mike
Ditka's sixty year old record for rookie receiving yardage by
a tight end, And like there these flashes man, where

(34:36):
it's just like I still don't want to believe that
the guy who just dropped my jaw when he was
at the University of Florida. It like, can't still make
it in the NFL. So and getting him this late
like that Dynasty Price just keeps dropping and dropping and dropping,
and like maybe Pennix is the guy who can perk

(34:58):
him up. Now. I know he did not put up
good numbers when Pennix got the three game trial at
the end. Yea, yeah, get up right a full season
of working together, because man, Pennick, you're perked up Drake
London late in the year, like maybe he can do
the same thing with Pitts. Who man, And I gotta say, Bogs.

(35:18):
I was just looking at the looking back to the
Kyle Pitts draft and the players who went after Pits.
Oh man, if you are a Falcons fan, do not
look at that. Do not go back and look at
that draft. And the guys who, like the ten guys
who went after Kyle Pitts are all like ranging from
very good NFL players to like superstar.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
You do not want to look at that list.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, they don't all work
out right, like and this is one that I think
Kyle Pitts duped everybody. And he makes for the best
memes right now. Obviously you know the is you know,
someone putting on clown makeup, and it says me going
in It's twenty five saying this is Kyle Pitts yer
again right, like the memes, the memes are outstanding, But

(36:06):
in terms of where he is in ECR, where he
is among other tight ends, I think you do have
to say that he is of value and there is
still upside. Listen, if Kyle Pitts is a mid range
tight end again, even not like even seven or below
in points per game, we might have to have a

(36:28):
rule that we never speak about him again, just like
he's just a mid range tight end. That's what he is,
period under story. No more wasting any time on him.
But there's still a little meat on the bone. He
hasn't played with very good quarterbacks, so you know.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You are willing to put on that clown makeup with me.
Crawl into the back of the VW Beetle drive.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
To the circus. I appreciate that box.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I'm putting on the
clown music. But we're right there, Like I understand, But
let's talk about the real guy. We want to talk
about here is Trey Harris anyway going to the argers,
This is the opposite of Luther Burden to me, because
like I look, the talent for Luther Burden is better.
I don't think there's any argument there between him and
Trey Harris, except if you're Debro. Maybe Debro, what are

(37:13):
you with us? A little bit? But I love this
landing spot because Trey Harris is a deep ball threat
and Justin Herbert throws perfect rainbow shots downfield. Like, I
think this is a match made in heaven. They need
another wide receiver too, because Quentin Johnston has no hands,
So I think this is a perfect fit. But there

(37:33):
is a fair amount of downside for Trey Harris as well, right,
Like maybe just doesn't get on the field immediately as
a rookie. If Quinn Johnson pops off out of nowhere,
if all of a sudden, the hands, you know he
has a hand transplant, they work or whatever thing that
we say here. But what is it about Trey Harrison
makes him a good pick to you here in this range?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean he is not foolproof. I don't think because
you just said it. He's kind of seen as a
deep threat guy, but like, I don't know about a
deep threat guy who isn't that fast, and that's kind
of Trey Harris. Like I don't think he's like his
time speed wasn't that great, and I don't think he
always looked that fast on tape.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
He looked kind of lumbering to me at times.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
But when I watched him, like I was more impressed,
like with him on the short routes, like run a
little like you know, comeback route, catch it at eight
yards deep and then just like try to tackle this
guy because he is a hard dude to bring down.
Man Like he is a load.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Just like sure handed. Though there is a lot to
like here.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
So I don't know if he's like going to be
able to play the lid lifter role at the NFL level,
but I do think he's gonna have a role, and
I think he's going to be a more reliable X
receiver for Jim Harbaugh's troops than Quintin Johnston has been,
which isn't saying a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Obviously you want him as your wide receiver for what
does he or five? Like, yeah, is it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Or something like that, Yeah, where I'm not gonna get
burned too badly if he doesn't pan out.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Well, we talked about it before. I mentioned it in
passing your favorite pick Your pick that's my favorite on
this list is because I'm gonna be right there with you.
Keon Coleman right here in round number eleven. ECR is
currently won twenty five my favorite pick of yours. I'm
just not willing to give up on him. We know
that Sean McDermott is famously pretty hard on rookies. We

(39:30):
know this guy is a huge target with tons of upside.
He's playing with one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
and he doesn't have a massive amount of competition around
him like some other guys do. So I just think,
you know, Keon Coleman is a guy can't give up
on yet. If he's not good this year, okay, you know,

(39:51):
we'll reevaluate in twenty six. We'll see what not good
looks like. Was it because he was hurt or just
because he sucks? You know what I mean? And I
saw again today. Another thing that came down is that
Keon Coleman said, I hate my film from last year.
I think was trash. I think I'm gonna be way
better this year. Now, Keon Coleman is a chatter, you
know what I mean. He's a wide receiver that's gonna

(40:12):
be out there talking a lot. But I like the
confidence on a guy like this. I just think there's
still so much there, so much room for growth for him.
I love Keon Coleman. And last year the numbers were
what was it, five hundred and fifty six yards on
only twenty nine catches and four scores. Then ain't gonna
get it done. So there's a lot of people that

(40:34):
are down on Keon Coleman now. So outside of my
used car salesman pitch, what do you have for us?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
So admittedly his ability to draw targets, it is the concern,
like he just didn't get many targets. And I don't
think he's ever going to be a guy who gets
one hundred and thirty or one hundred and forty targets
a year. But he's a guy who could potentially do
a lot of damage on one hundred or one hundred
and ten targets. I agree that the rookie see and

(41:00):
was a little disappointing, but this is still a dude
who average nineteen point two yards per catch just under
ten yards per target, so when they threw to him,
like he made some plays. Four touchdowns and thirteen games,
he was not a stranger to the end zone as
a rookie. Like, I think there's ten touchdown upside with
Kean Coleman, And I'm just I'm hoping he gets more

(41:21):
snaps and targets in year two. But I do think, like,
you know, maybe not quite George Pickens ball skills, but
like not that far behind either.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, I don't I don't know that he has. He
definitely doesn't have the speed of Pickens, But I mean
this guy can go up and get it. He can
at the same time, match is so good, Frank.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
At the same time, he's not a slug.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I mean, they had this guy returning punts at Florida
State and when they remember the combine, like when they
did the gauntlet drill where guys are throwing balls from
both directions, Like he got through that drill faster than
any other receiver in that class.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, there's just so much left here for Coleman. There's
no way he can be written off after his first season.
You know, there might be just something where him and
Coleman aren't making it work. But or him and Josh Allen,
I mean, are not making it work. I just don't
believe that. I think you give this guy just more snaps,
more time to develop, with Josh Allen, more time to

(42:23):
figure it out. It's going to work. So I'm all
over this pick. It's my favorite one. You and I
are going to be fighting for Keon Coleman. I can
tell you that much if we're in drafts together now.
This is my favorite part of this. We've gone through
eleven players, eleven rounds. We're in round twelve, and we
finally get a running back from FITZI. We've talked no

(42:44):
running backs up to this point. Is Zach Sharbona from
Seattle ZCRS currently one thirty five, Round twelve, Round twelve.
Why do you like Sharps enough to make him your
first running back? By the way, I think there's only
two other running backs on this list after this. But
we know you you don't want to spend the early
picks on these guys because you know you're looking at

(43:06):
a longer than three year window like I am. So
you want to take the younger guys that aren't getting
a ton of carries early Charbone fits that perfectly behind Walker,
and you want to see more of a split between
those guys and charbon A might force it this year,
but he's going to see you know, one hundred to
one hundred and fifty carries easy and then with Walker's

(43:28):
jury history, it could be way more. So I like
this pick as well.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean this isn't exactly how I draft my team,
Like I would not be taking my first running back
in rounds twelve, or you know, like I've never.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I do tend to meet It's just that you're such.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
A running back hater that you can't talk about any
of them in the first They have to be double
digit rounds before you give running backs and credit Fitzie.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Admittedly, I do tend to make running backs less of
a priority in dynasty startups, but I've never gone, you know,
eleven rounds deep into a startup without picking one before.
So I think the Seattle running game is going to
be good this year. Like it is a Kubiak Dennison production.
Like Clint Kubiak is the new OC in Seattle, Rick
Dennison is the run game coordinator. The Kubiak Dennison combo

(44:14):
has been running game magic for years, dating back to
Denver in the nineteen nineties when Dennison coached with Clint
stad Gary Kubiak, So Charbonay has been good whenever he's
gotten an opportunity. Averaged three point three five yards after
contact Perkerry last year, which is fantastic, forced thirty two
missed tackles on only one hundred and thirty five rushing attempts,

(44:35):
and when Walker was hurt, Sharbone had a two touchdown
game against Miami and another one against Arizona. And he's
been a good pass catcher seventy five receptions over his
first two seasons. You get a nice discount on him
in startup drafts because of his backup status. The only
thing is, like, I know, Kenneth Walker is like a
perfect fit for the outside zone stuff that Kubiak and

(44:58):
Dennison are going to do.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Like he's really good at that.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
It wouldn't shock me if Walker had a phenomenal season,
but we know that Walker has gotten dinged up a
little bit and size yeah yeah, and he's gonna need
to be spelled a little bit. Sharps might have some
standalone value, but he's got immense value if anything happens
to Kenneth Walker. And like, I know, Damian Martinez is

(45:21):
around two and he's a guy I really liked in
the pre draft process, but then he got picked in
the seventh round, which you.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Know, you don't think we have Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Like I just it's hard to see Damian Martinez, you know,
unless they're catastrophic injury issues with the Seattle running backs,
I don't think Damian Martinez probably has any sort of
impact in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, I think you're right. It would take a it'd
take a trader an early intury for Damian Martinez to
get work done for Seattle. Anyway, he might get cut,
might end up somewhere else in being good. So seventh
round is definitely not guaranteed anything in terms of contracts.
We have four more picks to go. But before we
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(46:30):
All right, we go to the thirteenth round. Fitsie, I
don't this is the opposite of the keyon Coleman. I
don't think I'm taking Marvin Mims in many spots. Now,
I've heard a little bit of the elevator pitch from
Marvin Mims, and I will admit I wasn't big on
him coming in to the NFL, mainly because he was

(46:51):
from Oklahoma, but also because he's undersized. Really is the
undersized stuff, and they tend to take him out on
running downs. Obviously, he's not a good run blocker because
he's undersize, but he has juice in special teams, he
saw more targets. They didn't draft someone that is obviously
eating up a ton of targets in Denver as well.

(47:12):
I like Pat Bryant, I think he's better than Marvin
Mimms is a complete wide receiver. Doesn't mean anything. If
the guy's too slow, if he can't get open, he's
not going to make it. We know Marvin Mims can
get open, so he definitely has a leg up on
a guy like Pat Bryant. So what is it about
Marvin Mims that you like? Give me the used car
sales pitch here.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
So we're getting to the stage of a startup draft
bogs here in the thirteenth run, where it's not as
catastrophic if you don't hit on one of these pecks.
But here's why I'm willing to take a chance on
Marvin Mimms. Mims had six touchdowns over Denver's last seven
regular season games. He averaged sixty two yards over those
seven games, despite playing fewer than half of the Broncos

(47:53):
offensive snaps in all of them. Mims averaged over that
seven game stretch zero points seven to two PPR Fantasy
points per snap. And just to put that into perspective,
zero point seven to two. Jamar Chase averaged zero point
three to eight PPR Fantasy points per snap last season. Now,

(48:13):
granted mims smaller sample size, I have no idea what
sort of role Peyton has in mind for Mems. And
you know, as you said, Boggs, he's a smaller guy.
The run blocking might work against him. But that sort
of production uh limited snaps has my attention and Mims
just turned twenty three, Like, so there was a flash

(48:35):
of something there, and if the spark doesn't ignite, Like
I'm okay with blowing a thirteenth round pick, but I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Definitely you know what I might.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I think Mims is a guy you could potentially wait
on and get the fourteenth or fifteenth round. Like, He's
not a guy you have to get too far out
over your skis to get in a startup draft.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, I do think that, Like there is Martin Mims
is kind of one of those late guys that feels
a little campy, right, Like people are saying, hey, look,
I really like Martin Mems. Then there's people like me
that like Pat Bryant a lot, right, So there's kind
of this divide. Both of them could work, you know it.
You know, we could just see more passing volume from
this team, so we will see about that.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
They're too.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, two very different players, a you know, one is
a small, fast guy, one is a giant slow guy.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Right, Yeah, Michael Thomas and who was the Devreie Henderson. Yeah,
Like they can still work. It's still Sean Payton working it.
Round number fourteen fifty. Have Jordan Mason here, as ECR
is currently won sixty six. This one makes sense. Like
they traded for him, right, so they invested a little
bit of stock in him. And Aaron Jones is closer

(49:51):
to my age than he is Jordan Mason's age, I
feel like, so you know, he's he's long in the
tooth for his NFL career. He doesn't have a lot left.
One of his best seasons last year, but I think
it's pretty obvious that he had too many carries. I've
talked about Aaron Jones in the bus category, which should
lbate Jordan Mason a little bit. I don't think I'm

(50:12):
as high as you are on Mason, but I'm willing
to listen. What do you have on him?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Well, not only did the Vikings trade form, but as
soon as they did, they immediately gave him a two
year deal that includes more than seven million in guaranteed money,
plus they're light on draft picks going forward. So like,
I think he's a guy that kind of counting on
to be a part of this significant part of this
offense the next two years. And we've seen what the
guy can do if he gets a chance, like early

(50:37):
twenty twenty four, no Christian McCaffrey. For the forty nine ers,
Mason averaged one hundred and seven rushing yards per game,
one hundred and twenty scrimmage yards per game, and five
point one yards per carry. And also the Vikings do
run a whole lot of outside zone and that's sort
of Mason's bread and butter.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, I mean it's he's he's a big back, he
can work. I just I just don't know, right, that's
my thing, Like what happened if Aaron Jones leaves? Do
they go and pick up like a high running back
in the draft just to make sure they have somebody?
Or do we think giving them giving him the seven

(51:16):
mil that's enough? Like that is what they're gonna do, right.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, Boggs, I mean QUESI their GM, Like he has
not been shy about trading future draft capital. So I
just don't know if they can afford to spend like
a high pick on a running back in the years
to come.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, So it's will they give it? Will they throw
money at it? Right? Like? Maybe there's all kinds of
situations where Jordan Mason is nothing, but there's a situation
where he is the number one moving forward, and it
could be the number one this year because Aaron Jones
is one hundred and could easily get hurt. So I
like the flyer on him for sure, at least. All right,

(51:50):
FITZI your last two picks here, guys, you just can't
give up on probably your most eyebrow raising picks. But
you know these are shots near the end of your draft.
Here it's Lama and or At coming in at ECR
one seventy three in the fifteenth round. Marshawn Lloyd at
one eighty nine. I mean, amay Or just has a

(52:11):
good shot of potentially being something because they don't have
anyone but Calvin in Tennessee. Just so I don't hate
that Marshawn Lloyd. Is it, dude gonna play football?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Like?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I guess that's my question here. He's said to be
the number two. They let aj Dylan walk. Obviously they
don't have a lot behind him. I guess Emmanuel Wilson,
A couple of people like I thank Savion Williams might
see some time at running back as well.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Chris Brush, Chris Brux more like Chris bruck Do you.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Like Chris Brooks? Right? So tell me about Ama and
Or and Marshaw Lloyd here.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, so with Ioman or a big physical guy like
you said, should have an opportunity because not a lot
of wide receiver or pass catching talent in general in
Tennessee beyond Calvin Ridley. This guy is a beast and
he is a tough run block like this guy can
block kind of total package.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
It will not hear a man or Slanner exactly. He
will not have it.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
But if we had to, let's say we had to
pick a non rookie in the fifteenth round, Bogs, We've got,
like I like big fast receivers. We've got Christian Watson,
who granted coming off by all accounts, it sounds like
he's ahead of schedule in his rehab. Ad Ni Mitchell,
who you're quite familiar with as a Texas fan. Or
a couple of former Wisconsin running backs, Isaac Grenda or

(53:28):
Braylan Allen.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Which of those guys would you go for?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I go for Braylan Allen out of all of them. Okay, yeah,
I just like and I didn't like him coming into
last season, but I do think that he has a
somewhat significant role. I still like Isaiah Davis, but I Honestly,
it's just that I don't like the rest of the
names that you said. I don't know that Grenda's much
more than a jag. You could have decent amount of

(53:53):
playing time this year with Christian McCaffrey, who knows. I
don't want any part Christian Watson have like legs, one
leg longer than the trying to bring them out of
the wrong nostril. Right, Like, there's just too much going
on there for Christian Watson for me to be interested.
He's just too hurt.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
We got a little exchange program going here, Bogs with
you embracing the Wisconsin guy. I might take Edni Mitchell
if we were going for a non rookie here, because
like I know, he's buried on the Indie depth chart,
and I know it's not a team that passes the
ball well. But man size speak talent there, size steed
and draft capital a lot of talent there.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
What about because we're talking about a super flex fitsie,
are there any quarterbacks that are like a handcuff that
you would want or a young town There are a
lot of quarterbacks that went late in this draft that
are around like because I you know, and I'll talk
about it more with my picks, but Will Howard and
Quen yours are guys. I'm interested in anybody else like

(54:50):
that that like just maybe a dart throw in the
last you know, like down to round twenty.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Joe Milton is three hundred and twenty six on ECR
and I think he has the strongest arm of any
quarterback on the planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I really he probably does.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, and like he actually showed something in that I
know it was just a week eighteen, meaningless game, but
like Milton was actually pretty competent. And he runs around
a little too for a big dude, So you know,
like you could do worse than a back of the
draft flyer. But we talk about Marshall Llard real quick
before we check out here.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, yeah, sell me on Marshawn Lloyd because I'm so
out on him. I wanted to ignore him at the
end here.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I mean it's hard because like he has had injury
issues obviously, pretty much his whole rookie season wiped out.
He had some injury problems at USC, but he was
Daniel Jeremiah's favorite running back in last year's draft class.
Granted it wasn't a great class, but like, this dude
is talented, and the Packers showed last year they're pretty

(55:54):
good at running the ball, So yes, Josh Jacobs is going.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
To get the lion's share of the carries.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
And as you said, like Emmanuel Wilson and Chris Brooks
don't suck.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be like it's just a bet on
the talent.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
And like maybe Marshaan Lloyd never pops in Green Bay,
has to go somewhere else to do it. But man,
you'd be pretty excited about Marshaon Lloyd if he was
on Dallas right now.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
One year for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, there are plenty of spots where Marshaon Lloyd goes
and it's like okay, yeah, right, maybe we got something here.
I am not in Green Bay though.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, and they were all problem in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
We saw a lot of old running backs have really
good seasons. We did, but like, we're going to need
the new vanguard to pick up the baton here pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
This is a class to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah right, right, Class of twenty twenty five is a class.
But maybe Marshawn Lloyd can you know, be one of
the few guys who pops from the class of twenty
twenty four. We just didn't actually see it in twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I don't hate him as a flyer, you know what
I mean? Like, if I'm the last couple of rounds
of my drafts and you want to take him, that's fine.
I just you know, there is a lot of talent there,
but there's not a lot of opportunity, and has the
talent withered away with this injury? I guess that's my
question for him. But you can say that with anyone
you're taking over here, like we are splitting hairs. So

(57:18):
for me, typically, is there a strategy at the end
of a super flex startup that you like? For me,
it's kind of throwing those dart throws on the quarterbacks?
Like I said, is it just like these young injured guys,
Like is it guys like Lloyd and maybe Jonathan Brooks
and guys like that that maybe you're taking a flyer
on grabbing stash or is it just let's take some
buried talent and see if the talent rises to the

(57:41):
to the top.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Here, I'm not taking a guy who's touring the same
ACL twice in a span of a year.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
On Jathan Brooks.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
But I do dumpster dive on running backs at the
end of drafts, so I am interested in that the
Chris Brooks. I'd rather have Chris Brooks than Jonathan Brook's
late in a dynasty startup, like just bet on the
talent guys.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Brooks are Damien Martinez. Oh man, I.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Know I think Martinez like I just you just think
Brooks has done. Then I'm very fearful and I feel
terrible about it because he's a talented cat. But man,
those two injuries in like two years, it's just brutal
for the guy.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
I feel terrible for.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Probably too much. I think you're probably right so but
but in general, it's dumpster dive with running backs because
you've probably waited in U the top rounds to take an.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
RB Joe Milton and the late round running backs. That's
my end of your startup planned exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Joe Milton in the late round run.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Joe Milton is a front man for a backing band
of scrub running backs.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Hopefully they're an eighties hair band. That's how I see it.
So uh, but that is it for us today on
the show. Next week it'll be my picks for this.
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Is he still okay?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
He is in Rehoboth Beach on vacation right now.

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