Superflex Dynasty Rookie Draft Rankings & Tiers | Must-Have Targets, Busts & Late-Round Sleepers (Ep. 239) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back, everybody. It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast.
I'm your host of today, Scott Bogman, and normally I'm
joined here by Pat Fitzmorris and Ryan Wormley, but they
couldn't be out, so we got a couple of scrubs
here helping us in a couple backup hitters, pinch hitters
off the bench for us, Debro at Derek Brown at
debro Underscore, FFB on the Twitter Machine, and Jake Seeley,

(00:27):
the all in kid at all in kid Fellas. What
is going on? Are you guys ready to talk about
some Dynasty Superflex rookie rankings here today?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hell? Yeah, man, I'm like the Pete Incavillia of this
show today. And if everybody knows in that show, that's
an old callback.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Pete in Kavillia. That's a strong very much for a
you know, not a baseball guy to pull. Pete Incavillia
is pretty solid there. Jakie, what's going on, my friend?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, you're making me have like a withdraw I don't know. Withdraw.
Uh what's the word I'm looking for here? No, not flashbacks.
It's gonna be like I feel slighted by the beardness
on this show is what I was going with. But
there's a word, and it was like on the like
when you don't measure up, and like there's a word
for it. It's on the tip of my tongue. But anyway,

(01:14):
you both have but you have the big like you
guys got the big ones and they're red. Like it's
like you get like the lush the liking beards going
on over there.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I got this little you know, like I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Trying to be on like another red you know, e
R episode or something.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, you look good.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
You look good.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I usually I like, usually you're you're pretty clean shaven,
so it looks it's looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Man, I'll be super cleuge even tomorrow and we're going
gone for a week, so I have to like shave
ahead of time so by the end of it, I
don't look like.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
You oh yeah yeah, or you can just let it grow,
you know. I think I think you got about one
hundred pounds to go on that too.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
So let's just talk about the scrubbing beard. I know
this is what a totally different of.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Course, of course, but we are going to be going
over some superflex dynasty rookie rankings here and if you
guys want to check out the rankings, uh you want
to see where they stack up against each other, you
can check out our Dynasty Rookie rankings at Fantasy bros
dot Com slash rankings to see where the experts slot
all of these players. We are going to give you ECR.

(02:23):
I won't give you every single ranking from all three
of us here, but we will talk about where we
have some of the bigger differences. So let's start out
in the first.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Round adequate Google aid No I knew what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I wasn't gonna say it. It sounds fairly insulting, but
let's start out with the ECR. Number one for ECR
and for all of us is Ashon genty. Now I
will say that is where the similarities start and end
for the first round of the ECR. So it gets
pretty wild after that. For our rankings. Number two for

(03:00):
super Flex is cam Ward. Number three is Marnin and
Hampton running back for the Chargers now Travis Hunter at
number four. Then we have Ted McMillan at five, Travon Henderson,
the running BA out of Ohio State at six. At
seven is Jackson Dart the quarterback for the New York Giants.
Number eight quinch On Judkins running back for Cleveland. Nine
is Tyler Warren tight end for Indy. Ten is and

(03:22):
Mecha Buka wide receiver Tampa Bay. Eleven is Caleb Johnson
running back from Iowa to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Number twelve
Colston Loveland the tight end going to the Bears. So,
like I said, we mix these up pretty good. From
ECR the first large difference, I mean, we all have
gent number one. Even in super Flex. Even if your

(03:43):
quarterback desperate, you take Gent and you trade him for
a better quarterback than cam Ward. So that's what I
would say. That's just your standard. Gent is one. It
doesn't matter what your format is, tight end, premium, anything,
it's gent. Gent is one. No pushback from you guys
on that, right, No, I didn't think so, none, not
at all. Okay, all right, So number two is cam

(04:05):
Ward Jake, and I have cam Ward at number two
at super Flex. De Bro not so much. You dropped
him a little bit to six, So just explain why
we have cam Ward at six here in your rankings.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
So cam Ward throughout the entire entirety of the process
has not been my QB one of the class. Now,
my QB one unfortunately tumbled at the fifth round of
the NFL Draft, so I moved him down my board.
But overall, looking at the first quarterback off my board,
who is Jackson Dart being the fifth guy behind what
I look at as like the the elite tier of guys.
And I think going into this year's quarterback class, even

(04:41):
in super flex, I'm going to put the four guys
that I think are in the elite tier, which are Ashton, Genty, Tedroro, McMillan,
A Mario and Hampton and Travis Hunter over any of
the quarterbacks here. So I think that's just the divide.
Like and I understand taking Cam or Dart as early
as like two and three off the board cannsidering the format,
but just looking at the level of prospects the draft

(05:04):
capital thrown into those top four players positionally, that's where
I come away with, I want those guys, unless even
if you're quarterback hungry for your team, I'm probably taking
one of those guys over either one of the quarterbacks
of this class.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't necessarily hate that, Jake, what are your thoughts
on kim Ward too.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, we talked about this in another show just recently,
and I'm more on cam Moore than Debro as it
seems like you're with me on this, and it just
comes down to I do think there's rushing upside here.
I do think he can be Kyler Murray in that
facet later Kyler Murray, not the nine hundred yard Kyler Murray,
but six hundred a couple touchdowns, and I like what
Cam Moore does. I do admit there is risk with him.

(05:44):
I do think similar to what we see with other quarterbacks.
Just last year. Actually, I did a smashup Kampa Deebro
compared him to potentially KILEB Williams his first season. I
like that for the decision making questions is that he
gets a little reckless. Even when we saw his just
best season, he made some poor decisions, so I think
that could spill over to his rookie season. That being said,
I think that if we're looking at he's even Caleb

(06:07):
Williams eighty five percent, I'd still take them the number
two because it's a super flex. I think, you know,
depending on your team, Like if you're a wide receiver desperate,
I could see going too with Hunter or McMillan. But
I just think, because we are talking super flex, because
cam Ward, I do think has QB one upside even
though he is a risk, I would still take him
number two.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And that's where I thing Jake and I divide, or
maybe I divide between the two of you, is I
don't see the rushing upside with cam Ward, considering he
wasn't a rushing threatening in college. Maybe that changes in
the NFL. But the other part about Caleb Williams, there's
a lot of Caleb Williams to cam Ward's game. It
scared me about Caleb. We saw his rookie season and
it scares me about cam And I mean also, like,

(06:48):
what's the ceiling for him in year one? I know
he's gonna hold the value because of super flex, but
what is the ceiling for him in year one when
he's surrounded by a bunch of fourth and fifth round
picks and Calvin Ridley And so if he turns in
like a low end QB two season, which I think
a lot of us in redraft are going to rank
him there somewhere probably in the mid QB two to
low end QB two range, then he likely holds his value,

(07:11):
but that's where it differentiates for me versus the top
positional players.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it really it's kind of team dependent
on where you have cam Ward on you're born. If
you have good QBS, you don't need cam Ward. He's
too much of a risk. I'd rather go with the
Martin Hampton, Travis Hunter, one of those upside guys McMillan.
But if you are QB desperate, you can take him
over anybody that isn't gent. That's kind of our guideline

(07:37):
when it comes to cam Ward. You can take him
over anybody. But you know, if you don't need a quarterback,
skip him. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I'm in a ten team dynasty. Yeah, it's a bunch
of friends, but in a ten team, and cam Ward
fell to the fifth pick and its super flex.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
To give you an idea, yeah, yeah, not surprising. Those
teams are probably set at QB. Let's go to the
next one that has a large discrepancy is Jackson Dart.
Now I'm low on Jackson Dart. I have him at twelve.
You guys both have him at four for Jake and
five for Debro. So I'll let you guys lead the

(08:15):
Jackson Dart discussion.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
No, this is crazy about it. It's all about value.
I'll jump right in because the show I'm talking about
that I just did with Joe and Debro. You know,
I told you I did a lot of smashup comps
and we asked about Jackson Dart and I said, I
don't even have one for him. I don't even go
into depth on this one. He's Daniel Jones, like the
Giants got rid of Daniel Jones to draft Daniel Jones
and Debro hates that take. And I understand, and I

(08:39):
might be wrong about this, I just don't believe in him.
That being said, even though I believe he's just Daniel
Jones two point zero, it's still super flex and that
comes with some rushing up side, that comes with some potential.
And I'm also basing this off the fact that maybe
I'm a little too you know, sour on him or
whatever it might be. I'm a I'm going to admit

(09:00):
I get some players wrong. And if I'm wrong on
Jackson Dart and a super flex and he can still
even be QB sixteen, like that's who he is for
the next four years as QB sixteen in a super
flex he has to be a top five, top six pick.
And that's why I happen to here.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think that makes sense. Debro. You believe in Jackson
Dart a little bit more than I do. Tell us
what you liked about him.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, it's all the things, all the stuff about him.
I mean I think that we're pushing a little bit
too much of the ole Miss narrative. The more that
things have come out, they incorporated a lot of West
Coast things into that offense. I think you do see
him get to his second read, third read in that offense.
The accuracy is there and the rushing upside is there.
I mean, I think last year, looking at at quarterback evaluation,

(09:45):
I got a lot right. I also got a lot wrong.
And one of those l's was Bo Nicks. And I
see a lot of possibility of Jackson Dart being the
next bow Knicks. Where a lot of people in the
process crapped on him as a prospect. He goes in
the first round, he goes to a situation where it's like, Okay,
what are you going to get out of that offense?
And we've seen Brian Daball do some good things with

(10:05):
the offense, including Daniel Jones, whenever league average quarterback play
and we know that Dart is gonna run. I think
right now we're assuming Russell Wilson starts the season. I
think that does happen, but how long does he start? Like,
we get two three games in, Russell Wilson does some
goofy Russell Wilson stuff, he throws a pick, he does
something dumb, he doesn't see his reads over the middle

(10:26):
of the field, and the Giants will like, well, Dart's
been blowing it up in practice and it's time for
him to see the field. So for me with Dart,
I think there there's a lot of areas to his
game that are underrated, and the rushing upside is definitively there.
So I think there's a possibility where he walks away
with a bow Knicks type of rookie season. So even

(10:47):
like in Superflex, regardless of what we think about these quarterbacks,
there's only so far I could push them down the board.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And I understand that, and that's why I still have
him as a first rounder on my board. But I
will say this, I've seen.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Him following of the second round of some drafts, so like, yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, like I get so. I guess my thing with
Dart is Okay. Let's say Russell Wilson does suck the
first five, six, seven weeks, whatever, They're not going to him,
They're going to Jamis first. I think, uh.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh, I think it's so maybe that's where we I mean,
why would.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You even sign Jamis?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Then?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
If if Dark.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Because they didn't know if they were going to get
a quarterback in the drafts, so they're giving themselves.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I'm a little bit more at thought of the position
if it wasn't for that Table and Sheen are on
their last legs here, Like if they had another year
to their career, I would say I'd be more with
you at Debro.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I fear a Josh rosenness to Jackson Dart. A new
regime comes in next year, probably GM and head coach.
Do they like Dart? And if if they do, how
long is the leash right?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
The valid valid risk to bring up it's.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's shaping up to be a strong QB draft as well.
So if you're picking high A, you just took Dart
in the first it felt kind of desperate. Now to
your point, d Bro, it may be that Hey, look,
we're desperate here. We know Jamis Winston is not the
long term answer. Let's just throw Dart in. Let's get

(12:15):
him eight games at the end and see what he
does to try to save our jobs here since we
started out one and five or two and four, whatever
it is, and you know, try to make it work
so that knife can cut both ways. But I just
I'm not as confident in his long term ability with
the Giants because of the coaches potentially being on their

(12:36):
last legs. Two. Now, that is Galaxy brain probably overthinking
it a little bit much.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
It's worth it because we brought up the conversation about
Travis Hunter if he went to the rounds, that we
might have a regime that doesn't want to use him
as much as wide receiver. So it's a valid argument.
And I mean you could spin this the other way too.
You can say, what if the Giants shock us and
they start off five and two and all of a
sudden Russ gets hurt, They're probably gonna turn to Winston
because they're gonna try and keep winning. I mean, you
could go down twenty paths with it. But I guess

(13:04):
we're bringing up like there is concern and risk, whether
you like them or don't.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Correct, Yeah, there's concern and risk. The only pushback I'll
give about like the head coach and stuff like that,
Like that defense is gonna be really stinking good. So
the defense is raising the floor, which we haven't seen
for the Giants in how many years. Guys, like their
pass rush is gonna be ferocious, their secondary is gonna
be much improved. I think that's gonna buy them a
certain number of wins. I think drafting or the mayor

(13:31):
is allowing this front this team, the front office and
the head coach to draft a quarterback. Also says maybe
this leash isn't as short as what we've been led
to believe. Like, if they're drafting a quarterback, are they
going to give them a definitive second year with the guy?
But us what if they do win? Like what if
that defense is good? What if the offense overperforms? I
could see all different paths right right.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And that's why I have him at the end of
the first round is because I just don't it's a
narrow path to get him significant playing time this year
and what does that mean for next year? So we'll
see the good news is first round quarterbacks get second lives,
third lives, fourth lives. Sam Darnold just signed with this
fifth team for one hundred mill, So he's been around

(14:14):
the block and he was a first rounder.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Now imagine making that statement in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I know exactly no one would have. They would have said, okay, grandpa,
time to take your your crazy pills. Here a couple
other guys that we have significantly higher or lower de
Bro not that we don't have to spend as much
time on these guys, but Deebro not as big a
fan on Quinchhawn Judkins as Jake and I and consensus.
So what is it about Judkins that concerns you?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Uh So the second round capital was really good. That
bumped him up in my ranks. Now that was like
RB ten to moving him to RB six. The concerns
I still have about Judkins is I think he's a
volume compiler. We have questions about what is this offense
going to look like? Like how often are they going
to be in scoring? Because how often I mean, who

(15:01):
the heck is the quarterback? And how well are they
going to play? Even if you have faith in Joe
Flacco or Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett or good Lord
or should here Sanders. So for me with Judkins, I
wasn't high on him as a prospect and it was
a lot of it is just whether it was the
film of the numbers. I couldn't make a really good
argument to be pro Judkins, like over the last two

(15:24):
years eighty second, one hundred and twenty first and yards
of to contact per attempt. That's not great. I know
a lot of people have talked about the usage, but
the second round capital bumped him up my board, but
it only goes so far. And I think the fourth
round pick of Dylan Samson is also telling Now, yes,
does that kick Jerome forward to the curb?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I think so. But I think that we're Judkins. A
lot of people are looking at like could he get
bellcou usage in this backfield? I think it's more like
you're looking at him as the sixty forty guy, like
he's the workhorse, and probably like this is the new
Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. And if that is the
case in offense, where we have tons of questions about
how good can they be? Who is the quarterback? Are

(16:05):
they gonna go out and draft the quarterback next year,
and how good even as Judkins That's where it pushes
him down on board something.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, Judkins is an interesting player, Jake. I mean, you
can see the effort kind of Wayne, but the playoffs
he was insane. I thought he was really, really good.
And it looks like in this Cleveland offense, as Debro
alluded to, we don't know who the QB is going
to be. The defense is still getting fixed up right.
It's not a complete defense here quite yet. I think

(16:33):
they're gonna run the ball a ton, So I think
even in a sixty forty split, Judkins gets a ton
of carries from the jump in this offense. What are
your thoughts on Judkins.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, and that's why I'm with you on this one.
I think that it's the NFL that we're in right now.
How many bellcals are there. And I think that even
Judkins and Samson being the new split that they you know,
kicking Jerome forward to the curb, I think is still
enough for Jetkins. It's the same reason I have Henderson
one spot in front of him, and I go Trey
Henderson over Judkins, just on the explosiveness, especially in the
passing game, but they're back to back because I just

(17:05):
think we're looking for, Hey, do I have a talented
running back that gets sixty percent of the work?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You're at least in RB two these days. So that's
why I'm a little bit more, I admit with you know,
Debro said, there's risk hell if they go full blown
committee because they don't want to completely get rid of
Drome forward yet because he performed well plenty of well
at times. Then this is worst case scenario. But I
think you spend a second and then the third. I mean,
you're looking at a new tandem going forward, and I'm
not really worried about the quarterback, whether it's Flacco down

(17:31):
to Sanders and I'm throwing Kenny Pickett out of the
window as the equation, it's not part of it.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, well, we'll see somebody's getting cut before the season starts,
and how can it not be Pickett is kind of
the question now, right.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, one d per The other thing I want to
add on Judkins is he's he's in the same tier
and I think this is what pushes him down the
board for me versus you guys, Like he's in the
same tier as Caleb Johnson, Trey Harris, a Mecca Buchan,
Jayane Higgins, all guys that got first or second round capital.
For me, it's just when I'm looking at the either

(18:04):
the year one outlook for those guys, or I'm looking
at draft capital and two to three year window, he's
at the bottom of the tier, bottom of that tier
for me with similar draft capital and outlooks versus like
maybe he's at the top of the tier for a
lot of other people.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, he's gonna be an interesting player for sure. Before
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first round here, gentlemen, Jake and I a little bit
lower on Tyler Warren. I think that is just the

(19:01):
landing spot and the amount of targets that they have
in Indy, right, Jake, Yeah, mostly, I.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Was gonna say. The other part of it is just
I'm inherently lower on tight ends in dynasty in general,
just because unless you are a brock Bowers, you're not
really that much of a difference maker, just because I
think people this is a complete sidebar that I'm pulling
into this, but I think people roster too many tight
ends in dynasty because once you get past the difference makers,
they're all the same. And like, why are we having three, four,

(19:28):
five tight ends on rosters because we hope one day
they can be tight end ten. No, like I'm chasing
a top five tight end. Warren on the right team
could have been a top five tight end. But I
don't want to try to project out two years from
now and say, maybe it's not Richardson or Jones and
we're thinking of a different quarterback. They end up at
the top of the draft class and maybe arch Manning,
Like there's so you could go down this rabbit hole

(19:50):
of what Warren could be, but let's be honest about
what it is right now. Warren and Lovelin did not
end up in great spots to potentially be top five
tight ends. That's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, and they're not. You know how many sure things
have we thought we're gonna hit. Kyle Pitts didn't hit.
Dalton Kin kid seemed like for sure to be the
man out of that class didn't hit, So, you know,
tight ends are harder. I think in general we're both
a little bit lower on Caleble Johnson than consensus. Shake.

(20:20):
For me, it's just the fact that I don't like
Arthur Smith's offense. I don't know how long he lasts
in Pittsburgh. You're it's not whill I am, but it's
not even that it's Jalen Warren is pretty good too,
and he's gonna get ten to fifteen touches in this offense.
I don't think he's as good as Caleb Johnson. He
does not have the shoulders to carry a workload like

(20:43):
Caleb Johnson. Caleb Johnson is the A but there's a
lot of good running backs in this class too, so
it's kind of hard to fit them all in a
tight window here. So that was my thoughts on Cale Johnson. Debro,
you're right on consensus there. What do you like about him?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I mean, dude, Naji Harris got two hundred and ninety
nine touches last year. What's the let's even bump that down.
Let's say Jalen Warren eats into the backfield more okay,
over under two hundred and fifty touches for Kilo Johnson
and you're one. I'm taking the over.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Where you say two sixty So that took over?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, okay, yeah, probably over. The one thing don't worry
about is I mean it's snipping in.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The area three hundred touches in year one, So how
low can we be on this guy?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Like, yeah, I understand I have him just outside of
the first round, but we'll see. I mean, also, you know,
is he involved in the past game at all? Because
they refuse to throw the forward pass in the state
of Iowa still sometimes so at least the Hawkeyes do.
So he just doesn't have a lot of experience in it.
Let's go to the second round, guys, thirteen to twenty

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four lineup like this, and number thirteen in ECR is R. J. Harvey,
blasphemy to debro here a second rounder. And number fourteen
we've got Matthew Golden and wide receiver going to the Packers.
Number fifteen with the Burton on the Chicago Bears. Sixteen
is Trey Harris, the wide receiver going to the Chargers
Jayden Higgins of the Texans. At seventeen eighteen is Jylen Milroe,

(22:13):
the quarterback Atabama going to Seattle. Number nineteen cam Scataboo,
the awesome running back from Arizona State that Deebro seems
to hate. Number twenty is Jack Betch, the wide receiver
for the Raiders. Number twenty one is Tyler Shook, the
quarterback going to the Saints. Number twenty two is Kyle
Williams wide receiver going to New England. Twenty three is
Jalen Nole, the wide receiver out of Iowa State, also

(22:34):
going to Houston. Number twenty four is Basehelle Touton, the
running back out of Virginia Tech who landed up in Jacksonville. There, Jake,
why do you hate R. J. Harvey? I think that's
the first question I have him. At eight Debro has
him at seven. You actually have him closer to consensus
than we do at thirteen. But yes, this hate, we

(22:57):
won't stand for it here on this podcast. Hate it
tell us why do you dislike RJ. Harvey at his
current value?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I actually think this current value is fine. It's where
you guys have him that I have an issue. I
like RJ. Harvey. I just again, this comes down to
a practice and like what I do in Dynasty, I
am going to always lean wide receiver over his running back.
And now if you're needy and you have to go
RJ Harvey, I won't fault you. Again, I referenced that
ten team league he slipped into the back end of

(23:25):
the first round. I have no problem with it. Like
I understand teams need and I love RJ. Harvey in
this situation. During my draft right up, I said he
got himself a new album Kamara. But I think he's
a lesser Alvin Kamara. That's that's my issue. And if
you want to say he's Alvin Kamara, that's fine. I
will not agree with you on that. I think he's
lesser and eighty percent eighty five percent Alvin Kamara means

(23:47):
he's an RB two, not an RB one, And that's
my only issue here. I don't think Estmate is a
big factor. You know, there's Bogman. We talked last year,
Notre Dame fan. I know my running back from Notre Dame,
and I know that Estimate is just a dude who
had a great offensive line in front of him. But
I think he'll factor in. You go through all their
options in the backfield, and I think you have three
significant pieces. And that's before the fact that even when

(24:10):
Alvin Kamer was the dude with the Saints, what does
Sean Payton do? He has four active running backs on
game day, like we were sitting here like. He just
is always going to use multiple options, and it's the volatility.
I think RJ. Harvey can be an RB one this week,
and I think he'll be an RB three the week
after that and RB two a like, and he'll check
out as an RB two at the end of the season.

(24:31):
I like him. I love the landing spot. I just
am not going to invest a first rounder in dynasty
because I also know who Sean Payton is.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, I guess my pushback on what you just said,
and you're right about the amount of running backs that
he carries. A couple of those guys are going to
play on special teams. Number one and number two is
that this is going to be one of those things
where r J. Harvey is so much better than any
running back on this roster that it's gonna be hard.

(25:01):
I feel like for Sean Payton to peel him off
the field. Now, Audrick Estimay is a thumper, so he
might be the Mike Gillesley and score like twelve touches.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Factor in the last thing, I'll say, even if you
go back to Alvin Kamara outside of his insane seasons,
the two insane touchdown seasons, but even actually one of those,
and if you look at the per game basis, there's
eight touches one game, eleven touches, and then you usually
hovered because of the passing game in that fourteen to sixteen,
which is cool, but you do see the volatility depending

(25:31):
on the game script, depending on the matchup, depending on
if they're falling on their face or not. And again
that's just what it comes down to. I believe r J.
Harvey will generally as a rookie push RB two value,
and that's fine if you want that again, it comes
more to the fact that some of the guys, I'm
trying not to mention the names, but like there's wide receivers.
I would just take on their talent and year two

(25:52):
and beyond that I can see in front of him. Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I don't fault you for that at all. I just
feel like RJ. Harvey is going to live offense. I'm
kind of with Debro, and Debro kind of made the
point of is Jalil McLaughlin gonna be used. I don't
think there's a Pierre Thomas here outside of the rest
of these guys. I think it's you know, maybe they
get one next year, but I think this year is
gonna be a ton of carries for Harvey and then

(26:16):
it's gonna kind of be leaning on him. I think
he's a great fit with bon Nicks. I just I
love everything about it. And I wasn't nearly the RJ.
Harvey guy going into the draft that Debro is here,
but I mean he got drafted over some good rbs.
They passed some good names for him, and we know,
you know, Sean Payton likes his guys.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Debro, Yeah, man, I mean this just comes down to
it's it's fit and it's talent. And when those two
line up to me, I'm just gonna I'm gonna be
aggressive on guys and I'm gonna go get my guys.
So I understand him above ECR. I understand a lot
of people like boggling like you and I have him
at seven to eighth. I understand a lot of people
aren't gonna do that. And I and I get Jake's points.
My and I think the divide here is Estimate wasn't

(26:56):
used last year and Javonte Williams was a skeleton of
his former self. Julia McLoughlin didn't take over the backfield
and Javonte Williams was still a skeleton out of his
former self. So like to me, I have a hard
time believing entering this year when Sean Payton went out
and put his stamp on this backfield and said, I'm
getting my guy in the second round and he's not

(27:17):
gonna get all the work, Like I have a hard
time believing, Like after a year where if Estimate and
Jaliel were good enough to step up, and I was, dude,
I was over the moon for Juliel like I was,
like he is gonna be awesome. Like this was me
pinting my chest last year for Jeliu McLoughlin, and it
just never happened. Now we can all like pars through
why that didn't happen, pass pro things like that, but
it didn't happen, So like I don't see it happening

(27:39):
now when Denver invested into the backfield. And again, Jake
you talked about, we know who estimate is. He's not
catching any freaking passes. He didn't do it in college.
He's not gonna do it now. So what's the run
out there? Like he's the goal line back, but we
have nothing to believe on that because he wasn't even
the goal line back last year.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
So here you go.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I just think it's a clear runway for RJ. Harvey.
And I'm not worried about either one of those.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'm only open to discussion. I was actually not even
in love with my tight ends. So how about this,
I'm moving up all three running backs. I now have
Colston Lovelin and Tyler Warren even further down at fifteen
to sixteen, and RJ. Harvey is number twelve, so he
makes the first round. Now they're live on the show.
You can see the updated ranks at the Athletic and
now we have them in the first round at twelve.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Jake, welcome to the club, because look at where I
have my tight ends on the sheet, exactly the same spot.
So I like it and I.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Don't have a problem with now. And I'll say, going
back to the tight ends, the only reason that I
have them as high as I do is one to
be in line with consensus. So some people like following
their ranks get exposure to them in drafts. But two,
what I'm also telling people in discord is, look, they
have draft capital. Year one is probably going to be rough.
They're going to be in every bi Low article next

(28:54):
year that's going to be written, and that's fine. I
want people to get exposure to them, but in drafts,
I'm also telling people in discord that like, look, why
are you going to pay up for Tyler Warren and
Colston Loveland when you can get this second tier of
tight ends that all have clear runways Maybe this year
if injury happens, or definitely next year when this slew

(29:14):
of veterans are all off of these teams. So I
don't disagree with bearing Warren and Loveland at all because
in my personal drafts, I'm I'm bypassing.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And Titan's just take too long to typically take too
long to make the big impact. It's not one for one.
I mean, Loporta was awesome from the jump.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
But here's the funny thing. Look, I moved him up
to twelve and you can still say, why do I
hate them compared to you guys? So there you go.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, but but you're above ECR too, so people are
gonna get him in. I mean, that's fine.

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Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, I quit so I can do that. I would
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Speaker 1 (30:19):
Ask that contest Jake needs that Nico Jersey. He needs it. Listen,
we have a trio of wide receivers to talk about here.
We each have one of these guys ranked higher than
the other two. So Deebro, let's start with you. It
is the lowest ECR, but you have Trey Harris at twelve.
His ECR is sixteen. You have him as a first rounder.

(30:42):
So let's hear the argument for Trey Harris over Luther Burden,
who Jake is higher on, and then Matthew Golden, who,
of course I am higher on.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
When we're looking at draft capital versus landing spot versus talent,
the waters get very very muddy in this wide receiver
class for me, and whether it's Trey Harris going to
make the case for eg Buca, Jane Higgins, Golden, Jack
besh is even in the conversation and Luther Burden. These
are all guys that win either first round or second round.
We're looking at very differing landing spots. How we're projecting

(31:13):
what their year one, maybe their careers look like. And
the guy that I was highest on the process, I
love his landing spot and I think he has a
clear path to not only just playing time, but being
the number two option in an NFL passing offense, and
that's Trey Harris, and I want to remain above consensus
on him, and I know I'm aggressively so, but I'm

(31:34):
not worried about Quinton Johnson. I am not worried about
Mike Williams. Mike Williams last year among seventy seven qualifying
wide receivers with seventy six in separation and seventy third
route win rate. I don't even know if he makes
it out of camp just because of where he's at
in his career. Maybe they keep him on. But regardless,
this Trey Harris is I think he's going to be,
if not out out the gate very short order, going

(31:56):
to be the number two wide receiver in this offense,
behind only Led Maconkey. And we saw this offense throw
a bunch last year and we could talk about, okay,
maybe they run more. I don't think they're going to
go from being in weeks eight through eighteen last year.
This is a top twelve offense in both pass rate
over expected and neutral passing rate. I don't think even
with the addition of Amari and Hampton and Najie Harris here,

(32:18):
they're going to just vault and turn into a top
five rushing offense. Maybe that happens, but that's not how
I'm projecting it. This is a mishmash of talent and opportunity,
and I think they both line up fantastically for Trey Harris,
so I want to be above consensus on him aggressively.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So, Jake, the guy that you're above consensus on is
Luther Burg. Let's hear why you love Lutherburg.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So it comes down to the fact that I thought
he was a top three talent. I had three wide
receivers in my top tier, Hunter McMillan and Burden was
the other one. And I think Burden has a chance,
a non zero chance to step in on the field
and be the number two wide receiver this year. Because
we talk about regimes, we talk about teams changing. We
just brought that up earlier with the Jackson Art situation,
is that I think there's a non zero chance of

(33:03):
Donsay might be the third option. Like we sat here,
I included had him in my Tier one last year
with two other wide receivers, and it was a disappointing season,
both performance and statistically. And I say performance because there
was reasons to get concerned about a Donsay now. Before
the draft happened, I had a Donsay inside my top
thirty wide receiver saying like, hey, he is the number

(33:24):
two Keenan Allen's gone, Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, this team
is going to be better, the offensive line, everything's looking
skyrocket and they get on board, and then they drafted Burden,
and I'm like, oh shoot, because like Burden's arguably, in
my opinion, talent wise, on the same tier, if not
better than a Donsay. And that's where I'm concerned here
is because a Dounsay's value, a lot of it was

(33:45):
going to be the slot now that he's not going
to play out outside. But if you look at burdon
here being able to do similar things and so dynamic,
I just I'm worried that Burden comes in for a
Donsay and if so, if not year one, I definitely
think like Burden's talent is too undeniable in my opinion,
that he's not a top two option next year in
twenty twenty six, whether that's with a Donsay or with

(34:07):
DJ Moore. So that's why I'm taking him because I'm
full on into th offense, and I think Burden is
going to be in a top twenty wide receiver conversation
starting twenty twenty six, if not sooner.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean we have him ranked in the same
spot and you just pumped me up about him a
little bit. I don't think he's as good as Odoonza though,
like I think Odunza is still better. Burden had a
down yere this year, but he's gonna, like Ben Johnson
has a plan for this guy. He's gonna be de
bo esque. I feel like as well, he's gonna get
the ball, he's gonna have plays designed for him and

(34:39):
be on the field a lot. So I'm a big fan.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Well to that point. I think if you said, like,
argue a side of like, if you think he's the
same talent, just take that put it to a side
for a second. DJ Moore, Burden and Adonza. Who's the closest.
I don't think anybody's perfect one for one, but who's
the closest to Saint Brown? I think it's Burden.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think it's DJ Moore.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah, I think this DJ Moore anymore.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm much lower on Burden.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I don't know honestly, Like like, I feel like we're
gonna see a little bit of a difference here, but
they're gonna take advantage of everybody's skill set, and Burdens
is get the ball in his hands. You're gonna see reverses,
You're gonna see screens, you're gonna see short passes, You're
gonna see a lot of stuff drawn up for Burden.
I think Roma Dunesa just needs to fit into the
offense a little bit better. And I think Ben Johnson

(35:26):
is just so good at getting the best out of everybody,
So I agree. I really like everything in this offense here,
but it's obviously best for Caleb because it's not best
for the targets. There's too many at this point.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
So something that Deebro and I just talked about the
other day, of all three of us, let's just say
we're alling three different people. Here's the answer. What I
always say, by the cake, not the icing, Caleb Williams
is the answer. Don't try to figure out the wide
receivers because it might be a full blown wide receiver committee.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Don't hate that at all, which is why I have
Matthew Golden ahead of these guys here. And I think
just the situation in Green Bay. I know that he
is not Fitzi's favorite player, right, and he's a Packers fan.
He didn't want Matthew Golden because of the analytics and
all this stuff. Look, I understand he wasn't what he
was at Texas in Houston. Who cares. I don't care

(36:12):
what he was. I care what he is. He is
a man with four two nine speed. It shows up
on the field also for a guy of his frame
and size, sixty one percent contested catch rate last season
against some of the best corners in the world in
the SEC. I think that Matthew Golden comes into Green
Bay and can be a Number one immediately. There's a

(36:35):
lot of wide receivers to contend with, right, you have Dobbs,
you have Jayden Reid, but they didn't like Jane Reid
last year. Christian Watson is out for the probably the
whole year, and Dontavian Wicks is firmly a MVS you know,
doppelganger here in this offense, so he's done on the
field a bunch either. So I think Matthew Golden is
going to lead this team in snaps from year one

(36:56):
first time since two thousand and two they drafted a
wide receiver in the first round. I think this guy
is going to get a ton of usage, which is
why I have him as a first rounder as well.
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Milroe thirty two in Superflex. I thought I was low
because I had him at nineteen, which is one spot
below consensus. Here Jak has in one spot above consensus.

(38:23):
What the hate? The hate for Milroe? I'll give Debro
this credit. It has not changed. He has not waivered.
He didn't like Milroe at the Senior Bowl, still doesn't
like him after.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So did he like give you a bad interview or something, DEEB.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
No. I like the kid, I like the human. I
like Jalen Milroe, the person, the human. Where I have
problems with Milroe is his game, his inaccuracies as a passer.
But I think the bigger reason that I have him
buried in ranks right now is because I don't want
to go chasing outliars. I don't want to go chasing

(38:59):
a third round selected NFL drafted quarterback. And I think
if you're looking at any guys like we just talked about,
there's not safety in Jackson Dart. He went in the
freaking first round, Then what are we talking about with
a third round drafted quarterback, Like we we have worries
and issues about safety and getting on the field for

(39:19):
Jackson Dart if all these things happened, But then we're
gonna say, okay, but Jalen Milroe, We're just we're all
in like we don't believe in Sam Darnold like that.
That's where I divide with it with Jalen Milroe. It's
I don't want to go chasing an outlier. If he
is a starter in the NFL for multiple years, then
he will be an outlier as a quarterback drafted in

(39:40):
the third round of the NFL draft, And it's just
not an archetype when even if I like the player,
I want to be at consensus or below based off
of that draft capital because that's what's gonna give him opportunities.
We just talked about that gives you second and third
chances in the NFL. Right now, with Jalen Milroe, I
don't even know if he gets chance number one come.
I had to Sam Donald, like we can all have

(40:02):
our jokes about Sam Donald, and I'm not a huge
Sam Donald proponent, but the contract that Seattle gave him,
he has two years of strong money on his deal.
He is going to be their starter for the next
two seasons. So outside of injury or Sam Donald face plants,
I don't know if we see Jaylen Milroe legit like

(40:22):
even get on the field. I feel like this is
the Malik willist you can but it doesn't really matter
what the.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Coach and a completely different franchise.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
It is, absolutely it is.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
But they gave Matt Flann a ton of money and
then Russell Wilson was to start of week one. I
don't think that happens and Pete Yarl, but but I
also think that they have an out after year one.
And even if they don't have an out after year
one on Sam Donald, then you know a year.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And a half earliest out is twenty twenty seven for
nineteen point two million in dead cap. In twenty twenty six,
the still gonna get hit with almost twenty six mil
and dead cap. I don't think Seattle's moving on from
him for.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
The name if he if he crashes and burns in
year one, he'll be he'll be a really expensive backup.
They'll give Milroe a shot.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Then it's gonna be a camp battle and too yes,
and of course again I don't know if Milroe is
a good enough pass.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I don't hate your position here at all, de Bro,
because just think of Milik willis what is Malik willis
that That's.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Exactly what I'm looking at. Like I love Malik going
into the draft, but like he fell and I didn't
adjust enough in that. So a part of this is
too learning. And if people want to make a bet
on the outlier, yeah, I don't say. That's what it's
like with the bet that I was like everything.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
You're saying, like unless you even go to Anthony Richardson
on this, because if his path follows Anthony Richardson starting
next yeah, the first round, Here's what I'm going to say.
It's like, you're not wrong in all this, but it
comes down to we're talking dynasty, we're talking fantasy, we're
talking super flex. Do you want to take this chance
if you are strong at quarterback like Jalen Miller. For

(42:00):
me and both my dynasty leagues, I have three and
four starting with caliber quarterbacks. I like Milroe, and he
wasn't even on my radar because I don't need to
be looking that way. If you are in super Flex
and you want to take the flyer, that's fine. If
you don't, you could argue Debro that he isn't until
the third round and like you just don't even need
to be thinking about him. So I think that's what
it comes down to. And the only pushback I'll give

(42:21):
you overall is I think it's somebody who still is developing.
You say you love the player, the character. I love
that he came into teams and said, here's what's wrong
with my game, because I know you see the same
thing I know I need to improve. And he is
in a position where it's not like we don't even
need to think about you starting unless something happens. That's

(42:41):
Sam Darnold, Like this is clearly a plan of maybe
it's a Hurtz Dak whatever, and he is an outlier
in that facet, But he's also in a position where
he doesn't need to be asked to do either of
those things. And where you're right is we might not
even be talking about Milroe as a starter ever, Like
it might not ever happen so if you don't need that,
but I am going to take the second round chance

(43:03):
on somebody who could run for one thousand yards past
like Doo Doo and still be a QB one, just
because if he is a starting quarterback, he is going
to be running the doors off the off the.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Field, so he I guess here, here's the I got
a question, why do you not like Tyler Shuck Moore
considering he got second round capital and Derek Carr might
not even play this year, So like, I have Shuck
ranked over Milrow, so like, I'm not even the biggest
Tyler Schuck f actually played this year.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
All below consensus, but I have him.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Over Millrow because I'm like, he got second round capital
and I think he's got a clear path to starting,
and I don't even like Tyler Shuck, So like, I
have Shuck ranked over Milroe for those reasons. But what
do y'all feel like versus Milroe versus Show?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
First, It's because there's no way on earth you're gonna
convince me his name is not Show and it's Shucked
because you don't pronounce that's it. I'm dough Show, like,
like no, no, stop, Chris, it's.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
His own name, Brett.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Brett Parbe says high. Brett Forbes says, Hi, anyway.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, in seriousness here is because I know who he is.
And I didn't even need to see that clip that
they kept showing from his pro dag where he threw
it into the dirt. I knew. Oh, I knew that's
who he was to begin with, and that that's what
it comes down to, is Okay, let's just talk fantasy again.
We are talking fantasy. Do I think he potentially starts
as a rookie because of the car situation. Absolutely, even so,

(44:28):
he's gonna have to do ninety five percent of it
with his arm, and I don't want that. In fantasy,
I don't want to chase QB twenty. I'd rather take
my chances just like real life NFL. I'd rather take
three shots at a first round pick every three years.
Like I missed, I missed, I missed, and finally I
hit on a top ten quarterback and I got my guy.
Then to sit there and be like, oh cool, I
got Andy Dalton for ten years. Screw that. I don't

(44:51):
want QB twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I don't. Yeah, I'll add to the Tyler Shook disparage here.
I just think that, look, the Saints drafted a guy
they know that no one's gonna be upset when they
cast him aside next year. They don't have and that's
why don't have any money. I can't go sign anybody
if Derek Carr can't play, So the solution is, let's

(45:16):
find someone in the draft. I feel like the Broncos
were kind of stuck with bo Nix in this scenario
as well, after cutting Russell Wilson last year. It worked
for them. Bo Nicks is awesome, right. I don't believe
in Tyler Shuck. And the reason is, you know, he's
twenty six. He's gonna be twenty six before the season starts,
and he was constantly hurt in his collegiate career. It's

(45:36):
why he played thirty eight years of college football whatever
you know. I mean, he played for every team in
the Big Twelve. So I just I don't buy the
Ryan Fitzpatrick of college honestly, dude, like he played forever.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
No, and that's that's why I think all three of
us are below EASR on him. I guess my thing
of him versus Milrow. If he does start thish year
and with the second round capital, I know that I
could probably flip into somebody, versus I could trade him away.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, here's two this year, legitimate lately. And if you
go against what I think would be, well, I know
what my answer would be, but I think you would say,
but like seriously, like who do you think is more
likely to have a starting job in the NFL in
three years? Milroe or Shook?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Can I take door number C? Neither?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
No, but you kind of see where I'm kind of
trying to lead you, And I kind of felt like, yeah, no,
I can. I think that's what comes down to too.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
It's just it's just there's so much upside. Milroe is
a player that you take, you know, when you can
afford to take him, because he's sitting for at least
a year at least, so probably two right, just like
the contract stuff probably means two years for him. So
you have to have your p's and q's all knotted

(46:51):
up and you have to be able to, you know,
roster a player that's not going to play for you
for a couple of seasons, so that will drop him
in some drafts. Let's go. We got to talk about
one guy before we get out of the second round
of ECR and then we'll go faster through the third
and fourth. But Jake, you're a Virginia guy and you
hate by Shelle Tuton. I don't understand this song he's got.

(47:12):
I'm at thirty two. His consensus is twenty four. Debro
and I are both just slightly above consensus here. What
is your hatred for Tuton? The people want to know
they've been asking.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Not rooting for Tuton, which just because I'm a Virginia
I actually hate Virginia Tech because everybody used to be
UVIA fans when I was grown up, and then that
VIC guy showed up and all of a sudden, all
the Virginia Tech stickers starts showing it, like, oh, we're
Virginia Tech fans now. But seriously, also that dated myself.
I just I think this comes down to this is
somebody that I just wasn't as impressed by everybody else

(47:46):
on I feel like Tutin is and now let me finish.
He's DeAndre Swift, but he's this version of DeAndre Swift,
which is okay. I just think that's I think that's
an explosive ish. Okay, running back on the right team. Sure,
I don't necessarily think this is the right team, and
I think a lot of it comes down to there's
multiple options here. I don't know that he necessarily wins out.

(48:08):
I don't know if he ever stays it gets anything
more than a forty percent time share. So, like I mean,
I talked about it. I love his burst, I love
his speed. I love the fact that he get outside
to the edge. I worry that past protection is going
to keep him getting on the field. I don't like
his hesitation. So there's just like I just think he's explosive,
but I don't think he's put it this way. I

(48:28):
think I don't remember if I said it with Debro
or whoever it was on a few episodes ago, But
I feel like he's one of those Darius Hayward bay
at running back. Like all the athleticism in the world,
he just doesn't play the position as good as I
want him to play the position. Like you get what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Like, I don't think he's all world gunner. I'll say
that for him a great athlete.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I don't think he's a great running.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Back that look, I don't He's definitely fast. We know
that and this team tried that with Keilan Robinson, my
guy from Texas. He's a special teamer. The thing that
I like about Tuton Debro is that he's got a
lot of speed, and I feel like they have a
Cohen has a plan for him in Jacksonville, and he's
hands selected by this regime, right, I think that is

(49:15):
the big thing. Yes, you do have Travis Etn still there.
I think Etn is better than Tuton. I think the
tank Bigsby, you know, is still there. I don't know
how much they like him. Obviously, they drafted two running
backs here. They drafted to Allen and Laquinn Allen. So
I think it's interesting. Someone is the odd man out here?

(49:35):
Is it Etn? Is it Bigsby? Is it Laquin Allen?
Because he was a late pick. But I think Tutin
that is firmly entrenched here. I think they have a
plan for him. That's why I like to what what
are your thoughts on him? Debro?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I love the talent, explosive ability for days, tackle breaking
is going to translate. I mean, dude, he was top
ten in yards of the contact per tamp, breakaway percentage
and elusive rating last year. He gets the draft capital,
and I'm saying he gets the draft capitol. I think
we could say make a blanket statement out of all
these guys in this running back class and say I

(50:09):
mean pretty much after like the second maybe the top
into the after the second tier running backs, all of
these guys got pushed down the board because the NFL
knew the depth of the class. So like where two
and I think he should have been a third round pick,
but everybody was playing chicken and saying, well, you know,
I like running backs too, but I think I can
get one in the fourth, fifth, sixth, like all these
guys dropping off the map as far as draft capital.

(50:31):
So looking at the player knowing that they have Travis
Etn and Tank Bigsby there, and the new coaching staff
coming in and saying, yeah, we got those guys, We're
gonna go get our guys. I think that's very telling.
And I'm not projecting this and how I'm ranking him.
But also if you were to tell me this was
a backfield led by Basial Tutin and Tank Bigsby this year,

(50:53):
I'm not gonna be surprised. I'm also not gonna be
surprised if Travis Etn is traded sometime in camp if
there's an injury or another team and it says, yeah,
our back Hello Dallas, our backfield kind of sucks, So yes,
we need a running back. But I think Tutin, given
the new coaching staff, the draft capitol for Travis Etn,
tossed that out the freaking window. He's had injuries and
underperformance and this is all a new regime and stuff,

(51:15):
So that's totally in the back of my mind. So like,
if this goes into in camp, who is the best
guy and we're just gonna let the best guy win,
because that's what happened in Tampa Bay last year with
Bucky Irving. He outplayed Rashad White so much, so consistently
that they were like, we gotta keep feeding this guy
touches because he is world's better than the other guys

(51:37):
that we got in this room. I think that is
an out but I'm not saying it's the definitive outcome
for Bacial Tutin, but I think it's it's definitely in
the realm of possibilities, and if it is, I want
to be at above consensus with that guy.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Look, this guy is a ball of Clay coming in right.
Liam Gohan is a good guy to teach him. Obviously
last year he had Bucky Like, I just I feel
like this player could be strong with a little bit
of tutelage because he has all that athletic upside.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
So I was gonna say, you know, my concern is
you go back to he has a plan for him.
What if the it's a committee plan and the plan
is Jade McKissick like, that's that's part of michaelsoft something
like that. The other part where you brought up the
draft capital and like and this is the other reason
I look at it. And so I'll give you two
flyers that I threw out. I have Jayden Blue and
Dialon Samson ahead of them. Again, part of that is

(52:27):
my inherent opinion of Tuton, But fourth fifth round, I
kind of feel like once you start getting to the
fourth round and you're right, everybody got pushed down, but
you start having teams looking for what you I actually
agree one hundred percent they're looking for what their plan is.
And I guess that's my hesitation is the plan for
Tuton was like, they're probably one of his guys, But
what is that like if I could talk to Liam

(52:49):
Cohen and be like, bo, like, tell me, is he
fifty of the share, Well, it's gonna be a and
will work him in sucks or like you know, like
he's third downs only like that type of thing where
I think, if I look at Blue, I think there's
a clear path to him being the lead day one.
I think Samson could shock us and maybe be the
better touch per touch guy.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Remember Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones going in the same
class right back.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Similar, So those kind of thing, So like I just
and I'm that's bringing in the fact that I could
be wrong about too, and the same thing could happen
with Tuton. But like the fourth fifth round, guys, I
kind of feel like there's a plan for these teams
and what they want in the running back to be.
So like it doesn't necessarily mean that, like because Jayden
Blue went a full round after him, they're like so
much higher on Tooton. It's just that style of running

(53:33):
back is more of what they were looking for.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
All right, So let's get to round three and four quickly.
Here round three, it goes Shador at twenty five and
Jayden Blue at twenty six. Dylan Samson at twenty seven.
Then we have Arroyo, Jalen Royals, Mason Taylor, Devin Neal
down to thirty one. Thirty two to thirty six is
elk Amaynor, Harold Fannon Junior, Terrence Ferguson, Will Howard in

(53:58):
DJ Giddens. Here. There's a lot of red from me
specifically in this group, but there's there's some hateful rankings
from Jake and debro Uh in this group here. So
let's do this. Let's talk about the quarterback specifically, because
this is super flex. Shador dropped to the fifth. I

(54:18):
think he's better than Dylan Gabriel. I'm raking him ahead
of Dylan Gabriel even though he was selected behind him,
because I just think he's a better quarterback, Will Howard.
Will Howard has an outside shot to start this year.
I have him at forty six. Uh, Jake has him
at forty, Debra Raisham at sixty five. But you just
you just don't think Will Howard. I think Aaron Rodgers signed.

(54:41):
But who do you think is back up? Definitely the backup?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
No, yeah, I think I think big Face, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Either of those guys. So I'm kind of I hope
it's Will Howard. But uh, you know, I'm kind of with.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You on that because if I'm the Steelers and you
do sign Aaron Rodgers, why not, why would you? Why
would your roll forward with Mason and Rudolph? Just see
what you having little Howard who obviously has a higher ceiling.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Because because Mason is a he is.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
But yeah, I can't stand either Aaron Rodgers or Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
So I mean, I'm not gonna make I'm gonna make
I'm not gonna make a conversation with Mason Rudolph. You
won't hear that. You won't hear me make an argument
for him.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
So I I think you know Eli Royo, Jake, you
have down a little bit. You also hate Jalen Royles,
which I don't get at all. So I think we
we've heard the Arroyo talk. That's specifically tight end, right,
that is, that's.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Just big tight end. I don't know if he's even
a thing until.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
You're three at this point, also already have him. It's
no you know, they have the same guy, but older.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I'm looking at our ranks and there are three. I
think how I'm approaching these tight ends is different, and
so I think it's a good talking point for.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
All of us.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I think we are categorically burying Elijah Royo, Harold Fan
and Terrence Ferguson too much. This is going on in
rookie rookie drafts right now. I think it's happening in rankings.
All three of those guys, all of the tight ends
ahead of them, are out of the picture after this year.
Noah Fant is in a contract year, David Joku is

(56:07):
in a contract year, Tyler Higbee is in a contract year,
and all three of those teams put second or third
round capital into these tight ends. I look at all
of them, they are the air apparent to being the starter.
Maybe they make noise and they're the starter this year.
Not for Njoku, I think he definitively starts over Fannin,
But all of these guys, I think that we're approaching
the situation a little bit wrong in the sense that

(56:29):
I think that they are going to be the team
starters next year, which is why I have all of
them ranked above where y'all have them, and honestly ECR
as well. So maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I'm
approaching those three situations.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
You know what, I don't hate that thought process, Debro.
I guess my thing is, did Harold Vannin wind up
in a spot where they're for sure going to use
them correctly in Cleveland? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I think you throw third round Capital team.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I think I understand that, and I think they have
a plan.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
But because if he was Jean belld and he went
to the fifth.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
But look, everybody's got a plan until they get punched
in the face, I don't. I don't know if he
is going to be the slot guy on a down
and down base pushback.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
On that, and so I think this is a very
similar to like wide receiver, it was two guys and
then a bunch of people like so to go to Arroyo.
I think it could be Jonah Smith. I think Fannin
could be Jared Cook. I think Terrence Ferguson could be
Mike is SICKI that goes back to my inherent theory,
like my plans with tight ends, I don't care like

(57:30):
I don't care about tight end twelve. I just don't.
And to your point deeper, I don't disagree with your
statement at all. I think all of them have clearer
paths to year two, if not definitively year three. I
think Ferguson might have a path to year one. But
all that being said is it comes down to my
opinion of these tight ends and my opinion of them
in fantasy. I just don't see any of them if

(57:51):
pushing the top five or top six. And that's why
I'm just kind of what you would say, like out
on them.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
No, no, And I get it. And you're also fading
tight end in Dynasty and saying, look, it's replaceable. I
can get you know, somewhere around tight end one. Yeah,
and that's fine. That and that, And you.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Look at these teams used to go back to Boglin's
point too, like like how many times have we clamored
for Kate Otton and you know, just because of that offense,
like he was getting usage, but because of Baker in
that offense, he just ignores them in the red zone.
So it's like, cool, I got eight hundred yards potentially
but three touchdowns. Like so it's just you have to,
in my opinion, to be somebody I really care about
a tight end, you have to be pushing eight hundred

(58:29):
plus yards and I want you six seven eight touchdowns.
I don't want one of the other like Pat Fiarmus,
you know Bogs. Yeah, six five, six hundred yards and
he got the eight touchdowns. Okay, cool, you're still tight
end twelve because you didn't have the yards to go
with the touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah. I tight end is just it's a tough needle
to thread, uh perfectly. So uh if I don't think
it's one of those tippy top guys in general, I'm
ignoring them.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You know, I've taken my shots on Chigaconquo Gunner Helm.
I'll probably have a couple shares of this year just
because I like him as a player, right, But I
don't know, tight end is just such in this year specifically.
I feel like there's some good wide outs. I feel
like there's some good running backs around these guys. So
I just pushed them down. It's all. But I mean,
before we move on and then, I want to hear

(59:13):
about some players you guys love instead of all of
this hate fest hate Jake. Why do you hate Jalen Royals?
What is going on here? Because you have him at
fifty four? His ECR is twenty nine debros at ECR.
I'm one spot below. So we're we're not insane on him,
but you hate his guts? What do he do to you?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Rashie? Rice? Is that cleared up yet? Is Xavior worthy dead?
I mean this, Travis Kelsey retired like that, where's the
path within two three years for him to get out
there and be a top two to three option. And
the funny thing.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Was Kelsey goes away and Rice goes to jail. That's
the pay Rice this year?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
And still does he get to number two?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Like I get it, it's just coming off a major
injury here, Jakie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I look, I'm just throwing out there, asked the question.
It's it's valid answers. I'm just saying I need him
to have a path to be in a top three option.
I just don't know that that's this year, maybe next year.
But the thing is the funny like why, and this
is maybe my slanted thinking on it, is like I
compare him to Sammy Watkins. So I'm like, cool, sign
me up week one and then I'm getting rid of him.

(01:00:26):
But like, look, my legitimately my biggest concern, especially for
this fit, and I know the Chiefs took him, but
my big it's weird because my biggest concern about Royal
was his route running, and the new Chiefs offense is
somebody that kind of like it's an offense that values
that more than it used to with the way that
they run. So like that's also my concern too, is

(01:00:47):
I think he needs to clean that up to get
on the field and even push whether or not Rice
gets suspended, Like I think he needs to push Bath
even Brown, honestly, like he just his route running is
a big concern for me. I definitely think twenty twenty six,
twenty seven. But if you somebody that two years from
now are like, wow, he never got up the depth chart.
How many times have you seen this before?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Sky Moore?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Like I could just see that happening.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm I'm not gonna sit here
and defend sky Moore. Here, Let's get to some players
we love. Let me give you, Yeah, let me give
you thirty seven through forty eight, just so we have
four rounds in the books here. Thirty seven is Pat
Bryant wide receiver in Denver. Thirty eight is jar Quiz
Hunter running back going to the Rams. Savy On Williams.
Thirty nine for the Packers Jordan James at forty, Trevor

(01:01:32):
e Ten at forty one. Then we have Ty Felton,
Tory Horton to wide receivers at forty two and forty three.
Stacker running backs here Ollie Gordon, Woody Marx TODJ Brooks,
then Dylan Gabriel at forty seven, Brishard Smith at forty eight.
So first I want to hear just over let's do
over arching thoughts on the rest of the quarterbacks. Since
this is the super flex that we're talking about, are

(01:01:52):
there any others that you like? I mean, we talked
about Will Howard a little bit, but ECR really kills
Dylan Gabriel, Riley lenn even though I feel like he
fits well, he's still third Kyle McCord. I don't know
if I like that fit. I do like the fit
of Quinn Ewers in Miami because I think that he's
probably better than Zach Wilson already. And Tua is highly

(01:02:14):
susceptible to injuries. So the thing about me is he
very much is and that was what killed his drafts.
Dolphins a type they do they do at least he's
not a lefty. I I just assumed they were gonna
be taking Dylan Gabriel by the way to go with
a lefty backup here. But uh so, so I guess
just no love for the other quarterbacks here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Debro No none, I mean there's no draft capital. I'm
not enamored with landing spots, draft cup I mean none
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Like Okay, Well, tell us you do love Jarquest Hunter
and listen. I I probably pushed Darquees Hunter down a
little bit too much. I hate the landing spot with
the Rams because I think Blake Horn is better than him.
Uh I think Blake Corn is better than him. Kind
of a free agent after this year. They're not paying
another running back after what happened with Todd Gurley most likely,

(01:03:04):
so they do have a spot open. I just think
Blake Koram is way better than Charques Hunter de bro so,
but you have Hunter as a second rounder. Tell us
about your love for him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I do. I think he's arbitrage baseil touton. Tell me
what's different about these situations. Boys a fourth round draft capital,
He's getting drafted into a backfield with two other guys
going into the second year. We'd say Korum as a
veteran and we're saying, Okay, this talent went out and
again drawing parallels to previous or other backfields and stuff

(01:03:36):
like that. Again, I think this is the under the radar,
possible Bucky Irving situation. And this isn't me saying Okay,
I know we played this game, and I know a
lot of people have said this. I didn't say this
last year about kyn Williams, but I'm saying it this year.
Part of it, I wasn't in on Blake Koram. He was.
He immensely concerned me as a prospect. Last year. You

(01:04:00):
saw tackle breaking metrics drop in every single season he
was at Michigan, the injuries, and he did nothing in
his rookie season. And the Rams went out and said,
you know what, Yeah, we spent a third round pick
on that guy last year. We're going to just go
spend a fourth round pick on another running back this year.
But we're supposed to say, Okay, they have faith in
Blake korm To me, what I take away from teams

(01:04:23):
is they're telling us what they think with their whether
it's the free agent signings or their draft moves. And
I think it's very very telling. Two years in a
row that the Rams have taken a running back with
top four round capital now in back to back years.
I think it's very telling that Blake Korm did not
get on the field at all last year. I think
it's an indictment of his talent for a prospect that

(01:04:46):
I had a ton of concerns on. And then you
look at the skill sets of these guys. Jarqos Hunter
is the guy that's just different. He is different. He
is a different running back than both Korum and Kyron,
who are more gap scheme or volume guys. They're not
gonna break home runs, They're not gonna break explosives. Kyraen
Williams was arguably, and it's not a really good argument

(01:05:08):
you can make on the other side of it, he
was one of the most inefficient running backs in the
entire NFL last year. Out of every running back with
at least one hundred carries, he is bottom five to
bottom ten in every single efficiency and tackle breaking metric
you can pull up. So that guy, if he gets
Rashad whited this year and another running back comes in

(01:05:30):
and he has more talent, more juice, more ability to
create explosives on the ground, that's where I worry not
only does Blake Korum standing as the RB two on
this team in question, but Kyron's standing as the unquestioned
workhorse bel coow starter, who again we talked about, is
a free agent after this year, that is firmly in
question as well. And just to throw some love on

(01:05:51):
Jarquez's talent, over the last three years, this guy has
been top twenty four yards of to contact per attempt,
and every single freaking season in two of those three
years you can top ten and elusive rating. He's got
the talent guys, and he's the one guy that has
the different skill set than the other two guys in
that backfield. So yeah, I want to be above consensus
on him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
I like Hunter, but the way I see it is
that after Todd Gurley got hurt, they had to deal
with like Ronnie Rivers and a bunch of these other
running backs. I feel like this is like, we're not
gonna get stuck again, so we're gonna have good running
backs on this roster. I don't know your your thoughts
on Hunter first, Jakie, and then I want to hear

(01:06:31):
why you love savy On Williams so much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yes, the Rams are basically drafting and running back every year.
They just bumped it up from the sixth and seventh
round to the fourth round to deepen this point. But
I kind of lean a little bit more towards you,
and like, so this is and I'm not coming for
Derek in this one, but I just like, in general,
like I want people to understand sometimes too as these
broken tackles get a little bit misconstrued when you just
look at the inherent number you watch Auburn, so a

(01:06:56):
lot of those broken tackles because of his one cut
style and everything. We're like arm tackles, like taking defender's
head on. He's not breaking very many of those. And
I don't mean like obviously if somebody just squares you up,
there's only so many running backs are going to do
that anyway. I just think once he gets wrapped up,
he's not breaking those. And so that was actually one
of my concerns for him, and I think he kind

(01:07:16):
of tries to do too much. So what I kind
of thought in my mind, and this is again my
opinion of Jarquist Hunter. And I'm not one hundred percent
like I miss on some running backs. It's just when
I went into the pre draft process, I thought of
him as like Chase Edmonds meets Michael Carter, and the
downside of Michael Carter is what I think the risk
here is is that sure Derek, there is a non

(01:07:37):
zero chance he wins out. There's a non zero chance.
He's already part of this committee, as we saw they
when they interview just what last week with Len and
he was like, Hey, we understand today's NFL. We need
to take some of this workload off the lead guy.
He could get timeshare opportunities right out of the gate,
and then if Kirron continues to struggle, maybe they see
Hunter and then Korum comes in as a timeshare. But
that's also part of my concern too, is that the

(01:07:58):
Rams might be shifting out of the McVeigh offense of
a Bellcott running back into that. I just I don't
see Hunter as a sixty five percent lead running back.
I think he's better as the second piece of a
time share. So that's just my opinion on him. Savion Williams,
I think all the pre draft comps of Corderio Patterson
shaded him a bit. I like, I know why people

(01:08:20):
did it, because of his running ability, because of his size,
but I think that undercut his receiving ability. In my opinion,
I actually thought he was more of a bigger, better
Curtis Samuel, because Curtis Samuel was a bet is a
better wide receiver than we've seen him in the NFL.
We saw when he was with Carolina and what he
was able to do. And that's why I like Savian Williams.
I actually think that if you put Curtis Samuel on

(01:08:41):
this team and you said, here, we're going into this
season with Golden, Curtis Samuel, and the incumbents Jayden Reid's
on notice, like Jyen Reed is not a guaranteed to
keep a top two roll ahead of both what Boggs,
you love him, Golden, We're a little bit lower on him.
I know. I think I'm the lowest, but not by
a tom. I just think there's a there's a path

(01:09:02):
here where Williams could be either a top two or
top three wide receiver. And in this offense, top three
wide receivers matter, all three of them do. So it
just comes to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Car Jake like, I just want to throw that out
because being the backup here does not give you a
lot of confidence.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I would assume no, And so I just I see
a path where you could see as even a rookie,
I would say eight hundred total yards. And I say
total because including the rushing upside. And I think there's
a window where in year two, in twenty twenty six,
we're talking about Savian Williams pushing a thousand plus total yards.
Their version of debo, which everybody's trying to find these days.

(01:09:41):
But like the debo that wasn't that peak season, the
debo that chipped in two hundred rushing yards, not right,
four hundred like multiple touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, uh deebo, did you want to say something about
savvy on there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah? Yeah, So I will say that I just moved
to Savion Williams in my rankings. I'm pumping him. I'm
bumping him up to thirty eighth overall. So, I, I mean,
my worry about Savian Williams is just my worry in
general about this entire Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Pack fifteen number two wide receivers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I think I think that what they did in the
draft said to us not only the drafting of Matthew Golden,
but it was drafting Savion in the freaking third round.
I think that says to us, this is going to
continue to be a wide receiver by committee approach and
a moneyball approach. But in all of that, I agree
with the fact that Jane Reid is on notice, and

(01:10:35):
I agree with the fact that Savion could be Matt
Lafora's Deebo Samuel in this offense. He could be the
jack of all trades. He's getting rushing attempts, he's getting
easy pop passes, he's getting usage in the backfield, but
then in the slot, and so in that the upside
case for Savion is pretty enticing. So yeah, I mean

(01:10:56):
I had him really really low in my rankings just
in you know, if you were to tell me Sadian
Williams was the new Jayden Reid in this offense, cool,
I could see it. I can also see where he
doesn't start any of the games this year and he's
buried and he's wide receiver five or six. That's why
I lean too much into my worries about him getting

(01:11:16):
buried in this process and not enough on the upside.
So that's where I'm crying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
For me. The guy that I love is and he's
at thirty six, so he's not a fourth rounder. But
DJ Giddens, running back from Kansas State that ended up
with the Colts. Yes, he is supremely blocked by Jonathan Taylor.
Jonathan Taylor is a much better running back than DJ Giddons.
I don't think you're gonna find a lot of argument
on that. But he's also been hurt a bunch, and

(01:11:42):
I think it's the Colts are just finally saying, look,
we can't go with Khalil Herbert and Evan Hall and
these fifth rounders and free agent scrap heap type of
guys to back him up anymore. If he's going to
miss time, we need to have a legit backup. Giddens
is not here to take passing downs. He had fifty
eight catches, but he also was miserable at blocking at

(01:12:05):
pass blocking, So he's in here to take carries. And
I think if he gets five to ten carries a
game to start, I think the Colts want to do
that with him to extend Jonathan Taylor. You know, it's
hard to have the best running back on the field
constantly on the field. They break down so fast. Look
at what's happening with CMC right now when they just

(01:12:27):
refuse to take him off the field. I think the
Colts are recognizing that and saying we have to have
someone to, you know, change pace, to not give thirty
touches a game to Jonathan Taylor, especially if none of
these crappy quarterbacks work. If Richardson doesn't work, if Daniel
Jones doesn't work, and Riley Leonard doesn't work, they're all
the same guy. It's all a bunch of dudes that
can't throw and can run really well. We're gonna need

(01:12:50):
more guys in the backfield to make this a dangerous backfield.
I think Giddens gets a decent run this season, and
you know, if Jonathan Taylor's long term, he's just a
great handcuff. If you are rostering JT, you need DJ
Giddens in mind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Well that's why I like and I know, but we're
only talking about fifth rounder in this case. I'm the
only one of the three of us that ranked him.
But that's why I like Bentley too. As a flyer
is like a pass catcher. I think you could compliment
the backfield with Giddons if something happens to Taylor. At
this point, Taylor is running into the cold James Connor
thing like, hey give us a healthy season, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Yeah, it looks Bentley is here because they have Herbert too.
Bentley could push Herbert right off this ross. Yeah, it
would not be surprising at all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
And then you know you have you have Bentley as
a you know, two minute warning type of a guy,
a quick pace drive a four.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Are you going to mention the fifth round?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Well, I'm gonna mention that we're all above consensus on
by a ton. He'sr. His ECR is forty nine, jakeasim
at thirty, I am at thirty two, Deebro has him
at thirty seven. We're all around higher at least on
consensus on Isaac Tesla and and Debro, I didn't do
many shows with you before the draft. We talked wide

(01:14:02):
receivers and I brought up Tesla as a guy I
love late. So yeah, Debro, tell us why we should
all love Isaac Tesla. Please?

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Are you gonna pronounce this last name properly? Debla Teslaw?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Tesla Tesla? Okay, Well, dude, I don't know whether this
works out for for Isaac Teslaw or not, but I
will say that it fell. It felt like almost saying cold. Yeah,
but Tesla.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
I forget if it was him or his coach. Somebody's
like actually said, think Coleslaw when you say his name.
Somebody somebody said it. I don't remember who.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I'm usually the person that Butcher's name. So it's nice
to actually get one right for once. I love it.
But Dude, for me with Isaac Tesla, it comes down
to and I'm accentuated there. What it comes down to
is I see the athletic upside. I didn't see it
from the analytical standpoint of the film with him, but

(01:14:59):
d the Lions gave up the farm to get this guy.
I means like you, yeah, dude, Like that's a lot
of capital to give up. And I'm like, Detroit, right
or wrong, is going to have a plan for this guy.
I question what that plan is only because he was

(01:15:21):
a big slot in college. He played out of the slot.
Well guess what that role. So he's going to be
pushed to the boundary. So it's something new than what
he was asked to do in college. But with all
of that capital thrown behind him, they are going to
force feed him opportunities. Even though yes it was only
a third round, he was freaking three thirds so we
could all like laugh about the trades that the Atlanta

(01:15:43):
Falcons made and how aggressive that was. The Lions were
right behind them later in the draft, So they're going
to meet this guy a thing now, whether that's year one,
year two, but I mean draft capital talks. I think
it's a similar conversation we talk about with Isaac Tesla
versus even Pat Bryant and Pat Brian we're.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
All ahead of consensus as well, one of the very
few players we're all ahead on consensus on Pat Bryant
and Tosh Brooks and a Ronda Gadsden and kyleman On
Guy and Dante Thornton. Surprisingly, like there are a couple
guys in here that we all three of us are
higher on consensus then and those are the other guys.

(01:16:20):
But Tesla I thought was interesting because we're all at
least around higher on him. All Right, I will give
you guys a chance. Anybody wouldn't bring up that you
like that you want people to get on their rosters.
De bro you're first, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I freaking love ja Cory krossky Merat He's got a
clear path to getting snaps in this backfield. Like yes,
Brian Robinson Junior got snaps last year. Yes, he can't
stay healthy. Austin Eckler, we know what he's going to do.
He's going to be the passing down back. Yes, Jeremy
man Nichols got on the field last year. If this
comes down to like talent and opportunity, I think Crossky

(01:16:59):
merrit One this club brnning Beck class wasn't as deep.
He would have gone earlier too. If the NCAA didn't
screw him based off of eligibility crap last year, he
would have gone to two to rounds above where he did.
So I bet that I want to be making, whether
it's with my final round pick, fourth round pick in
dynasty rookie drafts, or I'm betting aggressively if I'm trying

(01:17:22):
to get him off of waivers after Ricky drafts. That's
a bet I want to be making.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Jake, who do you not want people to miss out on?
Who did we not mention that you still love Damian Martinez?
I'm gonna keep saying, is Kenneth Walker has gone next year?
I don't see any reason that the Seahawks bring him
back at this point, and maybe they try to roll
forward with Sharboney, who have seen play pretty damn well
when Walker's been out, but there is also a team

(01:17:46):
that has been pretty even, you know, go back to
the before the previous Pete Carroll in the backfield being
split a little bit. But the funny thing was is
that I compared Damian Martinez to Chris Carson pre draft
and oh, by the way, went to the Seahawks, and
I think you're looking at two twenty twenty six at
least being a piece in that backfield. And that might
just be the fact that, like I was a little
bit higher than Damian Martinez than most people. I had

(01:18:07):
him in the same conversation as Dylan Samson and Devin Neil.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
That tier of player, so a little bit higher than most.
But I just think that Chris Carson type of running back.
He doesn't have elite speed or burst, but that's not
what you're looking for in that type of running back,
and that seems to be like a Seattle Seahawks type
of running back. And it's just it was funny to
me that he landed there where I think he's at
least in the time share in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, I think it's a decent landing spot as well.
But they got to get rid of somebody, and I
think even if he doesn't make it with Seattle, he'll
catch on somewhere else. Damian Martinez, I'll just throw out
todje Brooks. We brought him up already, I mean, just
ending up in Cincinnati too. Like I love Chase Brown.
Chase Brown's the guy that showed us at Illinois. He
can carry the workload. He doesn't need to, though, I

(01:18:50):
don't think you should make him do that at his size.
So I think Todge Brooks comes in and takes a
decent Amount's Chase Brown part two. He kind of is. Yeah,
he's a guy that took a lot of carries in
Texas Tech and has done it before.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I wish Taj would have come out last year, God darning.
That would have been a much higher past year if
that would have been the case. He but he'd been.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
It was just yes because we're talking about like what
he marks too, just because behind Joe Mixon, who's pure
vol like he's always kind of been volume running back.
It's even worse nowadays. He's one game, one few couple
weeks off from having that job, but at least into
a time share and then an injury, and you turn
to what he marks on that Houston Texans offense, which
I think as a whole because we're gonna talk about Higgins,

(01:19:32):
I think the entire Texans offense, because of what happened
to the disappointment of CJ. Stroud last year, I think
the entire offense is being undervalue just because everybody's like, oh,
that's it, they suck, they're trash, move on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I couldn't agree more. And that's why I like, I've
got Jalonole above consensus because dude, Christian Kirk gets hurt
again this year. Okay, fine, jalenl in his freaky season
is just new tanked Dell.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Like, yeah, they're definitely rebuilding. They want no excuse for CJ. Stroud,
So let's get him weapons, let's get him marks to
throw to. Let's get him two targets to throw to.
So yeah, you can see them rebuilding. Last guy, I'll
throw out here Kaman on guy ended up in Chicago.
We've already seen Ben Jonson not really work well with
DeAndre Swift, which is kind of weird. Roshan didn't do

(01:20:17):
a ton last season. Now maybe he wins over this
coaching staff he's a super hard worker. I know they'll
like his motor. But kaman on guy hands selected by
this new staff, so he's an interesting one at running
back for Chicago. But that is everything for us today.
We appreciate you guys hanging out and talking about some
of these super flex Dynasty rookie rankings here with myself,

(01:20:41):
Scott at Bogman Sports, at Debro Underscore, FFB on the
Twitter for Derek Brown at all In Kid, for Jake
Seey Deebro, what's coming up for you, my friend?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Oh dude, So the top one hundred has been updated,
so that's going to help everybody with Dynasty rookie drafts.
And now it's turned over towards redraft season, so I'm
currently writing up all the running backs for the site
and stuff, so check those out. All the positional primers
are updated, and dude, it's just this NFL draft cycle
has been freaking awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I can't wait to just rock the rookie drafts and
kind of dive through all this stuff and get ready
for reach.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
He rotes exhausting during a rookie draft, you get thirteen
trade offers a day from my man Debro here, he
wants his guys. If you're not trading guys, that's it. Jakie,
what is coming up for you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Yeah? I got all the rankings since the draft's been out,
everything's updated and on my vacation, I got many family
vacation coming up. But when I get back, start my
yearly off season series at the next breakout blank and
then quarterback running back Wire.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
It's a four part series, all four positions excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Jake's gonna come back with a magnificent beard.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
I am going to Washington, so I guess I should
have get a beanie and the whole hipster Look, I
mean I might as well embrace it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah, I embrace that. Yeah, that'll be a great time.
You well, look, we ran overtime here. Apologies for going along,
but we had guys we wanted to talk about here.
So we appreciate you guys hanging out. We will see
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