2023 NFL Draft: Instant Second Round Fantasy Reactions (Ep. 1069)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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com slash Chat. Now, let's talk to the pros. Cardinals
are trading the pick to the Tennessee Titans. Is this
for Will Levie?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh? This might be for Will Levy.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think it could be for Will Levie. I can't
see that they're gonna move up for anybody else. We're
gonna see what per Albert Breer with the package looks
like here, But you gotta believe again like this happened
pretty much in short order. There we go, Albert Breer,
there we go. The Tennessee Titans are taking will Levie
will Levis Is off the board. Thor your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean, you know, we had heard some smoke with
regards to the Titans and and looking into you know,
both him and Hooker.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I I talked about it in here earlier. I said,
I said Tennessee was rumored to trade up, and then
we saw it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I got two hot takes outside of that number one.
I don't know that Levie ever beats out Malik Willis
if that actually becomes a true competition, like I would
still I would still prefer Malik Willis with that. But
the other take is this new administration that Tennessee has
that came in right like a lot of times you

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year with new administrations as far as the head coach
and the staff that they want to pick their own guy.
Maybe that's a case of that here. Obviously they didn't
pick Malik Willis. That was the pass administration. They wanted
their quarterback, and they've gone up and gotten Levie as
he fell through the cracks, he or whatever. But if
I was another NFL team that wanted a developmental quarterback,

(02:25):
We're on the phone line right now.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Lowballing offers for Malik Willis.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
For sure, Like a team like the Vikings that was
sniffing around the quarterback class didn't get one.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm sending it all kinds of.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Low ball offers for Malik Willis right now, trying to
trying to get that thing worked out.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well. I threw this out here for conspiracy wise earlier
because again as an extension of the Will Levis pick.
Do you think it's plausible right now? Last year of
his contract, we see Ryan Tannehill moved to the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Plausible yeah, yeah, But like in this current scenario, if
you do and you don't have another guy there, like,
what then are you going to start Willis? Even though
you just sort of publicly denounced your you know, at
least the current administration's faith in him by making this pick.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You're not gonna have will.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You could sign, well, you could sign, you could sign
Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, he's still hanging out there. If
you're really looking for like a stop gap to give
him somebody to compete within camp, I.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Mean you could.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I like, if I'm that new administration, I don't know
that I'm doing that, uh Like, but yeah, I mean
we know that Tannehill is on the block, and then
you know, what are they gonna do with Malik Willis
now that you know as far as having Will Levis
as well? They got some stuff to work out there.
I'm not exactly sure what their plan is with regards
to that, but yeah, you definitely can't start Will Levis

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next year.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's that's out of the question. So it's like, if
you trade.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Tannehill, you got to have some other plan, and I'd
be down starting Malik will.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
To see what you have there.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Last year obviously, when he was starting those three games,
it was a really really gnarly situation. Uh you know,
as far as the offensive line and the wide receivers
he was playing with. But yeah, like, I just don't
know how that's gonna play out.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting, man, I know. I just
I'm not a believer in Levis. I told you from
the outset, I thought Will Levis was he should have
had a second round grade on him. The fact that
the only reason he was in the first round conversation
was because of the position he plays, that was it.

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Outside of that, I don't think he ever should have
been discussed in the first round. And this is not
tossing shade at the dude. I'm happy that he finally
got a home in the NFL, But I mean, what
are your concerns about will Levis? Thor I mean do you?
I mean, obviously the accuracy stuff he talked about, some
of the injury stuff, but really looking at the nuance

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of his game, what concerns you the most about if
he fails? This is how he fails. And give me
the flip side of that coin. If will Levis succeeds
and becomes the guy that people hope, how does he
do it?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
The two well, the two things you got to fix it.
It's the mechanics, which are fixable because some throwers they're
like he those are on right like and he's like,
you know, combined throwing session like obviously he minded as
mechanics at that time. It's more a nonchalance with that
with regards to him, So there's a path to fix
in that pretty easy. The one that there is not

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is the thing of the lack of pocket presence and
not sensing the pass rushers certainly coming from the blind side.
A lot of those pressures got converted into sacks, like
like a dangerous lee high number uh. And then the
other one is when he finally denotes the pressure, you know,
interior pressure whatever, when he when he finally sort of
gets it right when it's on the doorstep. A lot
of times invariably when he's not getting sacked, he's making

(05:45):
wonky decisions. And like the number one thing I look
for in quarterbacks when I'm picking out the bus, it's
that lack of pocket presence and not being good under duress.
And and Will Levis is not now his right arm
it's golden like that. That is for like he has
a nasty right arm. But it's like to get to
the point where he's the solid NFL starter, you have

(06:08):
to fix the pocket presence thing. And he's like people
at forwarded like, oh he's the next Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, he's not.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like the utility with him, you know, like just talk
about the mobility and and what you give from him
as a runner, Like he's not the athlete. Josh Allen
is not as big as Josh Allen and Will Levis.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
When he runs, he's he's just straightforward.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's just going north south, like he doesn't have any
make you miss whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And he's a tough kid. So like but but like
he'll take.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Big shots running down the field, right because he's like
a really easy target to hit, and he doesn't want
to you know, like say die, he doesn't want to
go down and give up on the play whatever. So
like he takes a lot of shots there. He obviously
takes a lot of shots in the pocket. But I
had to make that point too because it's it's, yeah,
like he's further away. Because at least with Josh Allen, Like, yeah,

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he had the accuracy issues.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
He's in college.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
He certainly had to to fix the mechanics to improve that.
But like the thing of panicking under pressure, I never
saw that with Josh Allen, Like that was one of
the things he was best at. Right, was like you know,
he would get that pressure and like I mean he
would be still looking upfield through it and then he
would fight through the guys, right, Like it wasn't just
he immediately dropped his eye level.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, gave up on the player, like whatever, Oh,
Sammue Laporte.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Let's oh and everybody here the subs, What did I say?
What did I say?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Baby? We just we just.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
We wanted Sammy ball.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
We went live. Baby, We're took Thor too. Let's go
or to baby Sammy the ball game. Thor preach the
good news about Sammy ball game.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I like this pick, like you know that there's
people that question this over him, over Michael Mayer. But
the thing is, Sam Laparte is objectively a better receiver
than Michael Mayor.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
He just is.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Michael Maher can't make people miss after he catches the ball,
like you know, he can fight off a couple like
smaller safeties and whatnot in college. But Sam Laporta is
a legitimately awesome yack tight end.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like last ten classes.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
In fact, to look at the data on this over
the nine year history of PFF charting, Sam Laporta last season,
his twenty four Smiths tackles was number five during that
time over those nine seasons for an FBS tight end.
And you think about how many people were included in
that data set. You know, when you have one hundred
and thirty now one hundred and thirty one ATBs teams

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he times out by nine. Sam Laparda is in the
top five of that. He's also a first down and
touchdown monster by the percentage, by the market share, particularly
when you consider the rancid offensive environment that he was
coming from at Iowa last year, where they finished one
hundred and thirtieth and in points out of one hundred
and thirty one in the FBS, they only scored eighteen

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or nineteen offensive touchdowns. Four FBS players had more. Sam
Laporta is still to one of every three catches he
had last two years in college either went for a
first down or a touchdown. He was the best receiving
tight end left on the board and in my opinion,
the number two one in the class. The thing that
you don't get him that with him that you get
with Mayor is Mayor you can play in line every

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single snap and he's gonna give you effort as a blocker.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Laporta played a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Of in line at Iowa, but like I question whether
he can go up against them war Daddy's in the NFL.
Certainly in the slot. He gonna take care of that
nickel defense. It's not a lack of effort with him right,
Like he brings a lunch baile, He's an Iowa tight end.
He's getting after it as a blocker. But like with
his frame, that's the only thing that you're concerned about,

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is like trying hard is not going to do it
against some of those ward daddy edge guys in the NFL.
But like you know, with that caveat being said, obviously
you're gonna be finding the slot and you are going
to be able to play him in line, just if
you just can't have him like have a run concept
like go you know, off tackle or whatever to his
side when he's like facing one of those six to

(10:08):
six long levered guys, speed to power guys, it's like
Sam Laport are gonna get pushed back then. But as
long as you keep him out of situations like that
as a blocker, he gonna be fine. I think you
can also improve in that area, you know, as far
as like the technique whatnot, level it up a little bit.
But the receiving thing speaks for itself. This is a
very good day for Jared Goff. He is going to
have a lot of fun with Sam Laporta, and he's

(10:29):
going to get a lot of free yards that maybe
he didn't deserve. He gets the ball to Laporta and
he breaks tackles.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Crap, Well, we're apparently experiencing a tight end run. The
Raiders have traded up and they are taking Michael Mayer
at thirty five after a tramp with the Colts. I know,
we love Sammy ballgame. Tell me your thoughts on Michael
Mayer to the Raiders, dude, I mean, like outside of
behind what DeVante Adams, Jacobe Myers, there should be a

(10:55):
lot of targets here, man. I mean, I honestly thought
this Raiders pick was going to be a trade up
for a corner, maybe the dark horse being Hnden Hooker.
I did not see Michael Mayer coming here. But give
me the give me the full spiel for Michael Mayer
here going to Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, I appreciate the natural segue that the Raiders gave
us there because we were just we can go right now,
we can go right into Michael Mahyer again, like the
utility with him, it's if you just want the inline,
like you're just talking about the inline guy that you'll
get some receiving utility out of him. But like he
plays inline, you can play him there every single snap

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and he's gonna work for you as a blocker and
be effective as a blocker.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Michael Mayer was.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
The best at that in this class. It's just he
doesn't go downfield and get it and he doesn't create
separation along the route path like right when he got
to Notre Dame. And by the way, you have to
say this in his defense, I think it's every year
since it's like it's this is some crazy static every
year since I think it was two thousand and four,
every Notre Dame tight end one that like that has

(11:58):
come out of Notre Dame has been drafted like it's
like some crazy stat like that. But Michael Maher is
the best tight end in Notre Dame history, like objectively
right like and so like he was doing it right
away there stays the three years, put up big numbers
every single year. It's just the like with him, he
doesn't create the separation. But what he was really really

(12:18):
good at in college was in those contested situations, which
he gets in a lot because he couldn't even shake
the college guys. And the only concern with his receiving
utility it is if he's not going downfield and getting it,
but you're not going to do in the NFL if
he didn't do in college. And his intermediate utility, it's
not shaking the guy, it's pitting him to his back

(12:40):
and doing that stuff, which I've seen that kid, you know,
catching balls with like three guys hanging off his back
in college. But will that translate to the better athletes,
that's your only question with that. If it does, he's
going to be a very good receiver. They compared him
to baby like they called him Baby Gronk in South
Bend for this reason. I don't see that whatsoever. But

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like the the one similarity with it is like you know,
of course you have the inline thing where you block,
but all the other you know, and Michael Mayer is smaller,
but like Gronkowski, you recall, like along the route path,
it wasn't like he was shaking dudes out of their boots, right,
So like a lot of times he would be in
closer quarters, he just throw out the ball to him
and he's going to catch it, right, Like you know,

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he's going to figure it out or whatever. But like that,
that was Mayor in college, but it's not in as
an athletic a package as Gronkowski, and it's in a
smaller physical frame. So you know, again, is that going
to translate? And you know that you're you're sort of
condensed to the intermediate area with him in short whatnot.
But yeah, I mean as far as the well rounded game,
that's what you're getting with him. Obviously, that's what the

(13:43):
Raiders are buying here.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well when they wanted a guy. I mean obviously, you know,
coming from New England and stuff, they're going to value
that what their tight end brings to the run blocking
game too. And Mayor is a very good I mean,
he's a monster run blocking. I think he's gonna be
a three down guy consistently. I think that he still
has things obviously to work on as a blocker. I

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think he's better in line. I don't think you're going
to be pulling him a lot as a run blocker
and things like that. He's got a good anchor and stuff,
but those things are going to allow him to be
a three down guy. I really, nobody's gonna challenge him
for snaps and stuff from the from the from the
hop thor and I'm blanking on it. I know my
comp for Michael Mayer was Mark Andrews, or is Mark Andrews?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
What was yours for? For Mayor?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It was Jason Witten. And it's not like not completely
one to one, but like that's the way that he
plays the game. You know, Witten's another guy that didn't
shake people, like you know, out of their boots or whatever.
But he was so dang smooth. He catching everything that
you throw within the catch radius whatnot. If Mayor's game
translates one to one in the NFL, he's going to

(14:57):
be somewhere around that. But like you know, again, like
you you still have to give the the contextual thing
of like we don't know, because there's some guys where
that contested catch thing translates like that, there's some guys
that doesn't. For him, it needs to because he's not
shaking any NFL defender.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
As as long as the route break.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm gonna put you on the spot. Do you think
it's gonna translate? Because Matt Eileen, yes, because I think
his functional play strength shows up in so many other
areas enough to where I think that the contested part
of his game will translate. But what do you think?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, like, just because of how good he was at
that at Notre Dame, you have to put the odds
pretty high, you know as far as that goes. Like
and last year was like when you got to particularly
see it cause Notre Dame starting quarterback got hurt right
away this Tyler Buckner kit and then they had to
play this this noodle arm scrambler named Drew Pine and
then they didn't have any really other skill talent outside

(15:54):
of Michael Mahyer. So every team went into every game
of just like if we stop Michael Mahyer, we're gonna win.
And so he was double teamed every day time and.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Sounds like a defensive approach against Dalton Kinkaid last year,
got it, got.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
It basically, yeah, basically yeah. But like with Kinkaid, like
I know that his game is going to translate because
he creates separation so dang easy. He catches every ball
within his catch radius no matter where he is on
the field, right like downfield towards the sidelines like anything.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
He's getting the feed in, he's.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Coming down with that ball, and then you know there's
all the other instances where he's just open right and
you can.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Get him the ball whatnot. That's the difference.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
They were, Yeah, you're wondering with Mayor, but yeah, like
you know, as far as where they got him, it's
an objective. It's an objective good pick where they got
him in that slot, because in my opinion, Mayor should
have been a late first rounder.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
He goes early second. So the value there is good.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So while the Panthers mayor you you got to sit
here and tell me, is that a guest or the
Carolina Panthers are going Jonathan Mingo or is that official?
Because I haven't seen anything, but I was confirmed apparently,
So Jonathan Mingo is going to Carolina. Baby, what are
your thoughts on that? I think it's early, man, you know,

(17:10):
I am. I think I think that if you're looking
at the rest of these wide receivers, like to me,
Cedric Tillman is easily a better X wide receiver than
somebody like Jonathan Mingo. I I can see where Frank
Reich is going to take a look at Jonathan Mingo.
He's gonna say, you know what, we had to get
a Michael Pittman in round two. Now we're gonna go

(17:30):
get Mingo. I you know how I feel. I do
not think that Jonathan Mingo's testing shows up in his play.
I think that he really put himself on the map
based off the combine that he had because the rest
of his metrics do not scream that he's gonna be
any good. But you know, we could take a break
from me shading Mingo. But what are your thoughts on

(17:51):
him and his fit in Carolina?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I agree with that he he had a fabulous
pre draft process obviously, right like, and when he came
like you know, for instance, when we went down to
Mobile at the Senior ball, like, I just thought he
was like when you watch him at Old Mess, you're
talking about like how the play the tape didn't match
up to the athletic profile that he put out and

(18:15):
that's for sure, Like I thought he was heavy footed
there right like, and so like I didn't expect for
I also didn't give him credit as a route runner.
That's where he opened my eyes in Mobile to start
out with. I still didn't think he was the athlete
that he ended up showing during the pre draft testing.
But I was like, oh, he actually knows how to
run a route, like, cause he was shaking people even

(18:35):
outside of like like not the stuff had taken him
over the top and using that sort of stuff, but
like along the route tree, like breaking off the routes
and whatnot, shaking people in terms of that, which I
didn't know that he was capable of from the time,
you know, what I'd seen in him at old mess
And then he goes to the combine and he tested
way better than I thought he would, so you know,
and then and then you start to like go back

(18:56):
and look at his tape again and you're seeing Jackson
Dark who they brought in last year, who I talked
about a little bit before. He's airmailing all these different balls,
different stuff like this. Jacksonville was not good last year.
So it's like, you know, a lot of yards were
left on the field with Mingo, but like there's a
lot of things he still needs to be taught and
he needs to smooth over. But like with him, you

(19:17):
have the bigger athletic receiver. You know, at least from
the testing that has shown that he can also play
in the slot. So you know, one thing I'm interested
in from Carolina's perspective are they viewing him as are
they sitting dead right out on him as a boundary receiver?
Do they view him as a bullyball slot guy? Like
they tried that a couple of years ago with my

(19:38):
former boy, Laviska Chanel, Like I've broken up with him since,
but like they tried to get that bullyball slot with
Chanel that the issue with him was he had to
manufacture the touch it is, and then you got to
unlock the fun with his run after the catch. But
in the NFL, the manufacturer and the touch of this
thing became a bridge too far and he can't win
downfield whatnot. We've seen the concept with Johnny the Mingo

(19:59):
went and down and now that you know the athletic
isn't better, like I say, maybe give him the benefit
of the doubt as far as the quarterback situation went.
But you know, it probably sounds like there's a lot
of you know, my mind's in two different places with Mingo.
It for sure is cause like I came into the
process lower on him. He did open my eyes for sure,
and I did start to bake in some of that

(20:20):
context for him. But a lot of this stuff that
people are just giving him credit for certainly Carolina has
taken him at thirty nine over some of these different
guys on the board.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You're making a.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Bit of a leap of faith with stuff that you
haven't seen before, and you're doing it because you're like,
this is a crappy receiver class and there's not many
other guys that will project is like potentially impact starting
boundary receivers, and he's one of the guys that cut
and he can also play the slot. So it's like,
you know, I see why they're you know, his value
got pulled up in why Carolina took the shot here,
but for me, he was more of a third round

(20:50):
guy for the reasons that I said.

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Speaker 3 (21:59):
You're getting news before me. What what do you got
to now? You gotta break it to me.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
The Packers took a pass catcher. They went with Luke
musk Grave. Your thoughts, the work.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm excited? Are well? I hate to I'm a Viking.
I'm a die here Viking's.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, there we go, there we go, there's the yeah,
the realism. Yeah, I mean this.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Fee mean they took the punch bowl of this awesome
tight end class. And I'm grinning ear to ear.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
You just called Luke Muskrave the turd and the punch bowl.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Sure death.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh man, So for everybody's leg So for oh yeah,
it definitely is dude, So for everybody in So for
everybody in this room right now, give give everybody the
short spiel on Luke Muskgrave and why this was a
god awful pick.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, Luke, So I think he started it was like
twelve or thirteen games in college and he had like
forty low forties catches his entire career receptions. He didn't
get on the field initially at Oregon State, was struggling
to get on the field, just like in terms of
the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And then last year was supposed to be the breakout year.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Like we all thought it was coming, right, like college
fantasy football players, the college football guys thought it was coming.
And the first two games he did play well, and
Oregon State pulled two upsets. I think it was Boise
State and Fresno State. They were underdogs. They beat both
of them teams out right, and Musgrave played well in
those two games, I will say, But then he suffers
the injury at the end of the second one I
think it was against Fresno State, where then he gets

(23:40):
knocked out for the season. Whatever, And the people that
like Musgrave. What they'll tell you is like, well he
was going to break out. You started to see him
break out. If he had never gotten injured, he would
have dominated college football last year. And between that and
his athletic profile in that package, he should be a
first round pick. The Packers just got Steel at forty two.

(24:02):
But my, the thing that I pushed back with on
that is those first two games went against everything that
we had seen from Musgrave before that. Musgrave like the
thing that I like about him, and this is valuable
in the NFL, right, Like it's going like he threatens
this scene. He can make plays downfield, he has the frame,

(24:22):
he has the athletic profile for that. But he's a
North Selth dude. Like he don't have any shake. You
never saw him shake anyone intermediate range.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
He can't break his life and he.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I believe that he broke two career tackles. Samuel Sorter
breaks two tackles before he gets out of bed, and
the Musgrave had to his entire career, I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Handedly over Luke Muskrave. Like it's not even freaking close, dude. Yeah,
you know my thoughts on Luke musk Grave. I said
he was going to be one of the bust picks
in this draft. The fact that Green Bay sidesteps receiver
in the first round they go Lucas Fannas, and then
they decide finally give him a pass catcher and it's

(25:12):
freaking Luke Musgrave. I oh, it's so bad man.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, I mean, we knew he was gonna go in
the second round just the size of athleticism, and then
that his uncle was an NFL court right Like, It's
like you know when you show up on the college
campus and they're you know, like some of the people
have to rush and pledge for the frast but then
there's like the kid who's like dad or grandpa was
there and they always get in right away without having
to do any of the nonsense. The legacies. That was Musgrave.

(25:39):
Like he was going in the second round with the
other two things in conjunction with that, without having to
show very much. Right Like, it was like, oh, you know,
let's see if he has an awesome pre draft process.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
We seen him in Mobile. He was decent. I'm not
gonna throw strait on.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
That was probably the best tight end that we saw
down there, but like, he didn't blow your socks off
at all like he was. It was like hit it
down the fairway, which you want to see a little
bit more like because if it's truly like, oh he's awesome,
and it's just like you know, the circumstances went agains
him in college. He's like, Okay, here's your shot to
show that. But like you know, like I said, he
was just solid and then you know he tested well,

(26:15):
but like, for instance, Zach Khonz tested better and Zach
Khons actually had a better career than he did, like
when you just look at the numbers and like whatnot.
So I don't know, like he would not have been
my pick there, but I'm I'm sure happy that with
the packers took Luke.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I I wish we still had fits in here so
I could hear the pain in his voice.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'm sure it fits so hard.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm sure he's like shotgunning an Ipa as we speak
right now.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh you know, he's already talked himself into it. He's
gonna be like, oh, I never wanted Sam Loveport. I
was always on Luke Muskrave this whole process. Yeah, he's
gonna have to talk himself and like if the Vike
isn't taking him, I would be going through the stage
just trying to like tie my own mind into a
loop to forget everything.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I know, if the Saints.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Would taking Luke Musgrave, I just would have logged off.
I'd have been like, this is the thorst solo show
for the second round. I'm out, baby, I'm just gonna
go drink myself into a fall asleep. I I that's
just that.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Would have been me.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's a bad pick man, Like he's he's so and
it's not even raw. I just think he's just straight
up overrated, like outside of the athleticism that he's not
bringing anything else to the freaking tables.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
He is raw, Like he is as raw as it gets.
For like a time, where was that slot forty two
or something like that forty two? How how often have
you seen a tight end go back last decade taken
in the top forty two that only started twelve or
thirteen college games and had like forty two catches over
their entire career, Like it just doesn't really happen very much.

(27:49):
And I think if his name was you know, Bill
Jones instead of Musgrave, and you know Bill was his
uncle and whatnot, like maybe it would have gone down.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
A little different.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
But yeah, like some of those gaps were filled in
for him. Perhaps because of that.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Looks like the Packers have traded up. They Tampa Bay
Buccaneers were set to pick. The Packers traded up and
they are taking Jayden Reid. Wow, this feels high for
Jayden Reid.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh my god, your reach Green.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Bay I speak. Okay, So all right, so the NFC North,
we have gotten the word that the NFC North is
drunk drafting. Detroit took their swing of drunk drafting on.
The Packers have picked up the totem pole, as it were.
They have decided today they're going to be the drunk

(28:41):
drafting team of the NFL. Now we have Luke Musgrave
and Jaden Reid in round two.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, now we see why they don't They don't pick
the receivers early because they don't.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Such a ridiculous reach. There's no way he should have
gone this lot, this high man like, I can name
you at least four to five receivers that should go
before Jade Reid is even like inside of your skull?

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Do you want? Do you want on my lists of
receivers that I have listed above Jayden Reid.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Please, do we need to fill some air here? Give
me ten or fifteen names.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Man, Marvin Mims, Cedric Tillman, JH Yes tanked out, Michael Wilson,
at Perry, even Jalen Hyatt, who neither of us like
I have him above.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I don't care. But Xavier Hutchinson, let's see where I go?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Uh, I said, Oh, Rache Rice, she like it's it's
a long way down, Rashi, Rice, Tyler, Scott Pukakua, and
Charlie Jones. I have all those guys above Jayden Reid.
So this, up to this point in the draft, there's
only been two guys taken that were in the eighties
on my list.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Nobody below them.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I had Mingo and then Kawan Martin, who just went was,
we're both in the eighties in my list, nobody below that.
Up until now, I had Jayden Reid one hundred and
twentieth on my board, the seventeenth receiver.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
There are guys that like him more.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I had Jayden Reid as my wide receiver sixteen in
this class. That's how how do you, yeah, okay, why,
how the hell do you possibly even if you're gonna
go with somebody of that arkadype. How the hell do
you possibly take Jaden Reid over even tanked Dell Jalen Hyatt.
I I don't get it, man.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I so the like, wow, okay, so we're saying mean
things about Jane Red I'll say, I'll say one nice thing,
or I'll say a couple of nice things.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, I'm not saying anything bad about Jayan Reid. This
is not a Jayden Reid type of shade. This comes
down to. This is not a Jayden Reid knock. This
all comes down to Jayden Reid was not a second
round player for sure. You picked Jayden Reid in the third,
then fine, Okay, I think it's a little bit early,
but you could twist my arm pick Jaden Reid in
the fourth. Okay, let's go. You picked Jade Reid in

(30:59):
the second. And I wonder, I mean, did somebody slip
you some acid in the in the war room, Like
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Well they got the they got the yellow draft and
from Detroit they passed the baton for for a day two.
Because I acts round, but I don't really know what
Green Bay is doing this round. You know, Like we
talked about this with regards to the Detroit stuff. But
like typically when you see the mistakes and the huge
reaches in the NFL Draft, it's because the team is
doing the opposite of BPA. They're doing the thing of

(31:32):
like going into the round of like we're earmarking this
pick for this position. And the Packers, you know, yesterday
they ate their broccoli with Lucas van Ness and again
I thought that was a quality pick. Today they obviously
went into it like yesterday we got the guy for
our defensive front. Today we're gonna start out and we're
we're gonna find Jordan Love the weapons.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's just like, but the two guys that they did
it for, I wouldn't have done. I think they reached
up the board and I don't know why. You know,
Jayden read over some of those guys. I was mentioning,
like if you want this smaller outside guy that can
win outside and in the slot, like why don't you
take Marvin Mims then? Right, like or if you're yeah,
just thinking, I mean like, because Jadeen Reedy can play.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
You know, we've seen him. He's done outside, he done inside.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
And the thing I like about him is like he
really competes at the catch point, really competes like yeah,
he's he's not you know, it's not perfect.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I prefer Marvin Mims at the catchpoint for like a
smaller receiver if you're just going one to one. But like,
I like the competitiveness as far as that goes different
stuff like that. And there's some you know, like he's
not a complete guy right now, Like you know, certainly
Michigan State they didn't have the high octane passing attack whatnot.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He's a solid route runner, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
You see the ball skills, You're like, oh, maybe you
can have the inside outside versatility. You sort of try
to piece it together. But like other people, when they're
piecing all that stuff together, it was easier for them
to jump to, oh, he's gonna be a really good
start in the NFL than it was for me.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know those guys above him on that list, they're
they're guys that are bigger than him, more athletic than him,
and or showed more in college than Jayden Reid did.
I I never really caught the Jayden Reid. Uh bug
this this this class, this process all right?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Thor well, we're I'm about to get upset here. Speaking
of of weird freaking picks, the Seattle Seahawks just selected
Zach Sharbone.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Okay, yeah, I interest thing?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
What what?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, I mean, our boy, this should be a celebratory
moment for us. You know, I feel like we raised them.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
They you know, they love Charker.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Last year, and now they took Zach sharbon A.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
It's basically an accelerated version of that one weird year
where it's kept taking running backs every single pick.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I I dude, I don't even know what to say
right now, like, yeah, this is this is a weird one,
like this is this is so incredibly weird to me.
I I don't even know what to say. Man, go
ahead and take this while I try to sit here
and collect myself because this pick.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
This forward.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Men, Yeah, it's a tough one to wrap your head
around because obviously don't even get took that equity into
Walker and you're gonna ride you know, you presumably ride
with Walker going forward, but like if you were gonna
sink equity into a running back that like, you know,
to play with Walker like going forward, you would have
taken the guy who's an awesome receiver, right, like Kenneth

(34:37):
Walker that was the one thing in Michigan State or
his entire career Wake Forest as well, you go before
then that he didn't do. Like Charboney is a very
underrated receiver, I will say that, but like you're not
drafting Zach Charboney to like be the receiving weapon in
a backfield platoon like that. You know, you're like, you know,

(34:59):
you know, outside of this area or whatever. But you know,
I would have thought you would have been drafting him
to be your bellcout from day one. Seattle obviously likes
him as much as you and I did, But what
does that say about Kenneth Walker and can they coexist together? Like,
I don't know, because both those guys can handle usage, right,

(35:19):
So like, yeah, that's the hard thing to wrap your
head around with it. I'll be interested to hear when
they do their press conference afterwards. But like, to me,
what this sort of reeks up is, Like we love
the player, he was the highest guy on her board.
I'm sure that's the case. When they say it, it's
not gonna be a cliche. And that they had a
ton of draft equity because of all these extra picks,

(35:40):
so it essentially becomes like what do you call luxury
pick or whatever? But it's it's a hard one to
sort of wrap your head around knowing the context of
both those guys and then like how do they fit together?
And then how do you give them both the touches?
Plus now we have an awesome receiving cord that we
had just add a JSN to our two good receivers
on the outside. So it's like, yeah, only a lot
of guys and only so many balls to go around.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I I'm speechless, dude, I don't even the only and
I'm gonna go full Galaxy brain here for a second.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Please see.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
The only way I could try to wrap my head
around this is does Kenneth Walker have some kind of
suspension incoming? Is there something we don't know that's on
the field, because outside of this, I don't I don't
know what to say, Like you took Kenneth Walker in

(36:32):
the second round last year, and you just took zach
Scharbonet in the second this year. I don't know. I
don't know what the hell we're doing here. Man.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Okay, well I think you know.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
To get away from the Seattle aspect of it, let's
talk about the prospect because both.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
You and I love Zach Charbinett. We're not criticizing the player.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
And in the slot like they got him fifty two,
Zach Scharbeney is forty three on my board. Like the
value is there, you know, it's it's just the fit.
But as far as the prospect, Zach Sharbinet was underrated
this process. You know, kid that got on the field
early at Michigan ends up a couple of years later
transferring to UCLA.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
He was dang near dominant the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
He handles the usage for sure as a runner, but
also like I mentioned, he's an underrated receiver. Not he's
not like the the guy like Bijon or you know,
even our boy Evan Hall is going to go later
where you can put him out in the slot or
on the back.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's not that kind of a thing.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
He's more of like the you know, dump off close
to the line of scrimmage guy. But like when he
gets the ball, he's just as big of a handful
as when you hand him the ball. He breaks tackles
like you know, getting out of bed right like and
so like in college. You know, even though it was
like he was the dump off guy as far as
that goes, not getting the ball in the most advantageous situations.

(37:54):
He's still averaged near ten yards after the catch per reception.
So I like that he had Zach utility. Certainly can
handle the usage, break the tackles, do the inside work
for sure, can even do some outside stuff as well.
And he's got better wheels than you would think at
his size. You know, he ran low four fives, I
believe at the combine. The last thing I'll say about him,

(38:16):
and this is this speaks to how he's able to
break so many tackles, is he's he of course has
the play strength going for him and the way that
he runs. But like one of the cool things he
does is like in short quarters, when the guy's on
the doorstep, he can change your angle real quick and
in very subtle ways where it goes from you get
a flush shot on him coming downhill to all of

(38:38):
a sudden it becomes an off angle arm tackle attempt
just because of the quick movement like right before he
gets there, and like that makes all the difference. You know,
It's like a like a pitcher who has a breaking
ball that doesn't break until the very end, when it's
getting over the plate, like when the guy's already starting
to swing and then all of a sudden, the shelf
drops off from it, like you know, and then you're
falling the ball off. You're just missing it out right

(38:59):
like that sort of what he presents to the defenders.
And he's running through that arm tackle if you don't,
you know, hit him flush whatnot?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
One on one.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Love the prospect. I think it's a very good value
pick in the slot. It's just one of the odd
teams in the NFL to do it that made that pick.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I I don't even know what to say about it, man,
Like that. The whole thing is like I don't understand
because here, here's the other thing. Thor Seattle has other needs,
like you look at the rest of this roster and
stuff like that. And I'm going to go back through
their picks here. I mean, they took Zach Charbonney, they

(39:36):
took Derek Hall. They still need a freaking starting center.
We see John Michael Schmid's falling on the board. Why
are you not addressing center? They could still use defensive help.
I even if you have a crap ton of picks.
You spent the second on Kenneth Walker last year. I

(39:57):
don't really I don't get this man. And like I
love Charbonnay because, like you talked about, he can handle volume.
He's more agile than people give him credit for. I said,
and I've said through the entire process, he's basically a
little bit more agile, slimmer a J. Dillon, Like I
thought he was a hammer, He's got soft hands, can

(40:17):
be an asset in the passing game. This is this
is puzzling, to say the least. Like I'm I'm gonna
have to hear the reasoning out of Seattle, the Kansas
City Chiefs that have traded up. They have selected Rashi
Rice wide receiver out of SMU.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
You know this was my boy.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I know, but I thoughts thor.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, he ends up going higher and people thought.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I like Rice. I know that they were off. There
was off the field stuff that took him off of
a lot of teams, boards and stuff like that. We
got to meet him at Senior Bowl and mobile. Super
nice kid. I mean I I I loved interviewing him.
Super super awesome guy. So I'm not really buying in
a lot of the off the field stuff, and apparently

(41:07):
the Chiefs aren't either. They just took another second round
wide receiver after sky Moore. Now the question is does
she Rice get put on the put on the shelf
and his rookie season like sky More? What do you
think you're thor.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, we'll have to see about that.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
But yeah, I mean the stuff that we heard about,
the off field stuff and how that concerned teams. It
was one of the reasons why I dropped and down
my board a little bit. And now I wish I
would have kept him where I had him, because it
was closer to where that she centered up taking him.
I liked the overall package. He goes to SMU and
from the get they were pounding him with targets. Like

(41:43):
over the four years he had nearly four hundred catches,
and you've seen him win at every level of the field,
and you also seen him win both inside and outside,
and there was reasons to believe that the game would
translate right Like one of the sort of deceiving things
about him. He has a really wingspan, he has the acceleration,
the overall athletic packages there you see him go downfield

(42:06):
when he goes up and gets it. He looks really
good doing that because he can get up in the
air full extension. He's getting higher than you, and he
comes down with the ball and one of those guys
that like you try to go through his back like
it doesn't Like there's some guys where they're you know,
like either you know, you jar him so much or
they just lose their concentration like Rashi Rice can be
jarred and and you know sort of like Jayden reads

(42:27):
a smaller version of this, but like guys that can
you know, be knocked around like deep in the route
and they're still gonna like it doesn't affect him at all,
you know, as far as they're tracking the ball, bringing
it in whatnot.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So I like all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
He's a little bit stiff as far as the side
to side movement. But you know, one thing I'll say
in his defense with you know, with regards to that
is like he knows his limitations. He not trying to
be JSN right, Like he doesn't try to beat you
that way. The way that he creates his separation. It's
it's both that that explosion thing and then trying to
stack you getting downfield or keep or keeping you off

(43:01):
the scent with the route tempo, like that's that's the
thing that he's better at sort of introducing the doubt
to the defensive back with regards to that. And then
he got the bigger catch raightious because of those long arms.
And he was very productive at SMU as well. So
those are the things i'd say for him. I knocked
him down maybe for erroneous reasons, you know, like with
the you know, as far as that stuff goes, because

(43:23):
we talked to some you know, the kid, we get
brief access to him at the podium sessions or you know,
on the field, you get to pull him aside for
a little bit. But like you know, sometimes when when
you hear some of that character stuff from the NFL,
a lot of times there's smoke or there's fire behind
that smoke whatever, But then there's a lot of instances
where it's not right. Like I mean, Micah Parsons was
one guy where you know, all process that was talked about,

(43:45):
like his character, he has zero character, like the opposite
in the NFL whatnot. So without that stuff, I would
have had him a bit higher, like I say, but
I ended up having him ninety eight wide receiver thirteen,
and I think you can play it really for the Chiefs,
at least the utility of of getting deep, going down
and getting at the rest of the stuff. You might
have to polish off that routree. But we did see

(44:06):
him whin intermedia in college, so he's got that going
for him.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely I'm not going
to say a luxury pick. They needed another wide receiver.
Looking over she Rice's game, he was if you look
at his various metrics versus both man and his own coverage,
he was He's stunk versus man coverage. He was borderline
per the metrics elite versus z own coverage. So curious

(44:31):
how they're going to deploy him. I think you could
see him possibly used a good bit out of the slot.
We could be seeing him as the Juju Smith Schuster replacement,
considering how much if they're going to run a lot
eleven personnel, I'd like to pick that the Dallas Cowboys
just made. Considering we talked about this in the first
round conversation. Thor they take Luke scoon Maker tight end

(44:54):
out of Michigan. I'll put it out there, baby, he
is going to be a better pro. He's gonna be
a better fantasy asset than Luke Musgrave. This is a
really good pick man. What are your thoughts on Luke scoommaker?
I know, I believe you were in tandem with me.
We were higher on him than some of the other
tight ends in this class. Where did you have him
in your ranks?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I had him tight end eight and one hundred and
eighth overall.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I will say that the folks like that he's worked
with like him more than I did. It was just
like this tight end class is so deep, like you know,
it pushed some guys down, but like the coaches that
he worked with at Michigan are really bullish on that kid,
and you're gonna be able to play him on special
teams as well, so you get multiple different utilities with
him and a super athletic kid that plays inline and blocks,

(45:42):
like we have to see more of that receiving skill
that's was just sort of dormant at Michigan where that
you know, that's why I ended up having to rank
him beneath you know, for instance, like Zach Kunz, it
was like right around there on my board whatnot. But
like the rest of the stuff is certainly there with him,
and you you have the athletic profile to you know,
Dreamlind as far as the receiving goals, but he's gonna

(46:05):
give you effort in the in the run game as
a blocker for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
You sexy. SOOBU, do you have the same comp for
Luke Skommaker as I do Dalton Schultz? Yes, sir, I
said he souped up Dalton Schultz.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That's actually really fun.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, I mean tell and we did not compare notes
on that, but I think he's a souped up Dalton Schultz.
And apparently the Dallas Cowboys felt the same exact way.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know, he you know, again, goes a
little bit higher that I thought. You know, I think
a lot of people thought were gonna go.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
He tested really well. I mean, I don't think it
got to a point that his testing has necessarily fully
crossed over to his production on the field. I don't
think you see him.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Not as a receiver, yeah, not yet.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, I mean, not not as a tackle breaker, not
as a receiver in the open field. I think that
he's going to be a three down tight end from
the word go, though, because I think that he's gonna
be an asset and the running game, he's he's got
a strong anger anchor with run blocking, you definitely seal
the edge. Do you think he's gonna be a three.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Down guy if the health is with him, like if
he can stay healthy in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Like yeah, I mean like he that you know, the
rest of it it projects as is starting in line
tight end, especially in an NFL that's moving more to
the twelve personnel. Like I just like there's some questions
about the knees, like how long will that go whatnot,
But like, as long as the health is there with him,
that's where this pick. Like if the health is there

(47:34):
and then some of that receiving skill gets polished out
or maybe it was just dormant because of the Michigan system,
right like, but if they can, you know, sort of
polish that aspect of his game, this pick wind up
looking really good. And it's it's funny that that Dallas
took him, you know, like we both had the Dalton Schultz.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Comp on him.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
But those are the only things I'm concerned about coming
into this past season. He only had nineteen career catches.
This past season. He had thirty five. Yeah, like he
just didn't get pon it with the targets and some
of these other kids dead. But he certainly has the
you know, overall toolkit coming in and then obviously culture
very well at Michigan as well, and you have the versatility,

(48:13):
you know, the specialties, utility, different stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah. I mean, look, I never bought into any of
the Jake Ferguson peyton hindershot hype. Like the thing that
I've always said about Jake Ferguson is it's the coffin
nail for tight ends. Guys that run over four eight
I will never have interest in you're looking at, like
not only the borderline athleticism to never be a fantasy

(48:38):
fantasy asset, but all I mean, it's just it. Really,
you can name on one hand over the last five
to ten years, maybe a little bit farther back, how
many guys that have run a four eight or higher
and have been productive fantasy tight ends. For us. It's
really Kyle Rudolph and maybe if Isaia likely becomes anything,

(48:58):
that's it. End of lists. Man. So I never bought
into any of the Jake Ferguson stuff. So per our
own Mike Mayer. Uh, the Jacksonville Jaguars go with a
tight end here, and it's not Darnel Washington. Apparently reports
are kind of coming out he is falling due to
a knee issue. The Jacksonville Jaguars take tight end Brenton's strange. Man,

(49:23):
I I'm surprised by that. Uh feels like a big
reach here. What do you think about strange thor it it's.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
It's definitely a reach, but it's funny, Like I I
kind of liked that kid's game, and I did think
he was kind of underrated, but like in this deep
tight end, so it item tight end nine.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I had Scoonmaker was tight ending, right.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
So like you know, one ad to I don't know
that Darnad Washington like that the medical deal, you know,
it's like we're just talking about with the other kid,
like we we don't.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Know and even if we had the X rays, like
you and I, what are we going to do with that?
Like we wouldn't know or whatever. But like, you know, if.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
That's the reason that he's getting bypassed. As far as
Breton Strange, he's a really interesting player where he was
a solid recruit obviously goes to a school that develops
tight ends, and he has a versatile game where you know,
h BAC tight end can bring him into the backfield
having to be a lead blocker, do different stuff like that.
And he has a bit of receiving chops as well,

(50:23):
like and certainly the athletic package ninety first percentile a
little bit on the shorter side, more of the sod
Off guy. He's a shade under six foot four is
two hundred and fifty three pounds. The thing that I
appreciate about his game is wherever you line him up,
he's a really good blocker. So like I initially my

(50:43):
initial comp for him was Tommy Tremble because he sort
of reminded me of him as far as like the
frame and getting after it as a blocker every single down.
But Breton Strange certainly has more receiving upside than Tommy Tremble.
So I didn't want to, like, you know, like, how
do you say phantom with dam uh? How'd you say
that uh with with faint praise? Damn him with faint

(51:06):
praise or whatever by saying Tremble, because I didn't think
it didn't give him enough credit for the receiving utility,
so I ended up switching it to John hu Smith.
But yeah, like you're you're somewhere in that range and
in another like you know, for instance, like you if
you toss him into last year's tight end class, like
in my rankings, you would have been like top maybe
even three year, top four, like somewhere like that stacking

(51:28):
that it's just because this tight end class is deeper.
He was tight end nine and when you're slotting the board,
that has to mean something. That's why he got pushed
down a little bit. I had him one forty nine
overall on my board. I like, I like, I like
this skill set. But this is rich. This is too
rich even for my blood.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
This is this is too much. Like I don't understand
how you take a Brenton Strange, even if even with
the the most expensive rose covered glasses that that you
could possibly find, How you take Brenton's range over Tucker
Craft is beyond me. I don't I don't really understand
that pick, especially you're looking at Doug Peterson. For me,

(52:08):
I'm just sitting here much here asking myself or like,
if you're Doug Peterson, how do you not look at
the video of Tucker Craft and say, you know what,
he reminds me a whole hell of a lot of
Dallas godd Ter Baby, Like I don't, I don't get that.
But that's neither here nor there. I don't disagree with
any of your points on strange. This is definitely a
reach for me.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, you know, just as far as Tucker, we talked
about Tucker Kraft here, you know the last couple of
months privately of like he was going to be an
interesting evol for the NFL because he was so dominant
as a receiver at the FCS level, but the athleticism
was such a trump card where when he get the ball,
he'd be open because he's you know, sending someone with
that and nobody could physically match up with him at

(52:51):
that level, to the point where he didn't like you
didn't see the the I guess the development of his
routree just because he didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Need that beat guys.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Right, So like he he was the guy with one
hundred two mile per hour fastball in the FCS, and
you just saw him flinging that thing past people. I
happened to think his game is going to translate and
those receiving shops are going to translate to the next level.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Obviously you do too, but.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I think that's where maybe the NFL is like, well,
you know, we haven't seen the nuance. We're out running
out of Tucker Craft and he's jumping up the level whatnot.
So Tucker Craft, he almost it's funny like he almost
did himself in some ways, like Zay Flowers, although Jay
Flowers didn't get penalized for it yesterday, but almost did
himself a disservice by by being loyal. Like the there

(53:39):
was blue blood teams. Alabama was one of them that
wanted Tucker Craft to transfer for his last season of
college football. If he had done that, it's like the
thing we were just talking about, tell.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Me would have been starting over Cameron lay To, Like
he would have started over Cameron.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
We never would have seen Cameron lay two again.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
But lay two is Lay two is just like he's
just guy man, He's I mean, nothing special at all.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
No, except apparently it's us two score.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
They someone leaked like he was like one of the
only non quarterbacks that you've seen, and it was like
they were saying he had a really high s too.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's like it's like, who is your source is it?
Is it Camerla to his uncle. Maybe he's like, I mean, yeah,
but I don't care. Cameron lay too, is he wouldn't
have kept he wouldn't offended off Tucker Kraft.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
But but the whole point being is like Tucker Kraft
could have answered that question is ev ol himself just
by moving up And you appreciate that the kids loyal
and wanted to stick it out with his brothers on
his team. But like in that case, you would have
liked that one year audition on the bigger stage.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Marvin Minz sneaking into the second round getting by the
Denver broncos Man. I mean, what are your thoughts here?
I think that we're looking at a receiving room. You
got Cortland Sutton, you got Jerry Judy, Tim Patrick's coming
back for me injury. Does Marvin Mim start this year

(55:04):
over Tim Patrick? You got new coach Sean Payton in
the house, so what is he gonna do with this
receiving corps? Does this mean that like maybe they move
on from one of their guys, although I don't think
that's the case here. What do you see for Mims
and how does he kind of slot into this receiver room.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Marvin Mims starting day one. The only question is where
right like, but he's going to like he Marvin Mims
was so underrated this entire process, and it's a it's
for contextual reasons, like things that were more or less
outside of his control. Like he's to this day the
all time leader in Texas prep football history in receiving yards.

(55:41):
And they played pretty good high school football down in Texas.
Then he goes to the University of Oklahoma and tore
it up as a true fresher and got on the
field immediately, was a difference maker immediately, et cetera. Last
two years, circumstances went against them. Spencer Ratler twenty twenty
one goes into the tank the first half of the season.
Lincoln Riley has his put out the door for the
second half of the season. So it was just really disjointing.

(56:03):
You didn't have the quarterback play early on. His whole
skill set wasn't allowed to flower like it was the
year before. And then this past season obviously Lincoln ditches them.
Caleb Williams is out the door as well, and they
bring in the defensive coordinator from Clemson and they tried
to slap together an offense, but it wasn't good and
so he just didn't have the ability again to sort

(56:24):
of show his skill set in the same way that
he had earlier in his career. But he has the athleticism.
He has proven the concept that he can win both
inside and outside. He did both at Oklahoma, and for
a smaller receiver, is awesome down the field, Awesome down
the field. Proven he tracks that ball like a hunting

(56:45):
dog down the field and he's coming down with it.
If you combine that the you know, top ten catches
of every receiver in this class, and then just quantified it,
Marvin Mims would blow everyone out.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Of the water.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
He makes some circus catches that don't even look real
down the field, and an enormous amount of his utility
came down the field at Oklahoma. Every single season he
was at Oklahoma, thirty five percent or more of his
targets came twenty plus yards downfield. We know that he
can win downfield. He's a killer downfield and including on
the outside, even for a smaller receiver. Oklahoma just didn't

(57:20):
use him as much in the intermediate area. But he
goes to the pre draft process shows that he's at. Like,
I wasn't concerned about his agility. That guy can very
clearly boogie on the field. But like it, you know again,
like they just didn't use him as much with that
because they were so often sending him down the field
and he was winning so often down the field. The
only question you have about him, you gotta flesh out

(57:40):
the route tree just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But all the skills are there, and the ball skills
at that size are are rare.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
All Right, everyone, that's the show. Thank you so much
for tuning in. We had a ton of fun with
all of our subscribers in Discord recording the show, taking
questions and talking about all these picks live. We're going
to be back on Monday to talk about a mus
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