MARVIN HARRISON JR. IS GONNA GO OFF! | 2nd-Year Breakout Wide Receiver Candidates with Matt Harmon (Ep. 1586) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pi Zapia,
and today we're gonna take a deep dive into second
year wide receivers. That's right, year two for many of
the wide receivers in the NFL ends up beating the
big breakout, and we're gonna see if some of those
guys in their sophomore season can do just that. And
of course, to help us break down all of those

(00:22):
wide receivers in their second season and what they might
have in store for them in twenty twenty five. De
Bro Derek Brown, the King of Bros. And the man
at Yahoo. Oh, I'm excited to talk to him, the genius.
Dare I say Behind Reception Perception? Matt Harmon, Harmon, it's
good to see you. You look very well. The beard
is trimmed, the hair looks good. How's life buddy. I

(00:43):
feel like I haven't talked to you in a while.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I appreciate you guys having me. Life is good. Man,
very It's funny. I actually just wrapped up the year
two wide receiver drop on reception Perception a couple of
weeks ago. So I've started diving into the year three guys,
so there's always more wide receiver then I could possibly
have time to chart out all of them. But I'm
very much looking forward to this discussion today.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, if you're not familiar with Matt Harmon's work, then
you're probably behind the rest of your league mates. So
go check out all the second year wide receivers, their
year wide receiver. Anything he's writing or putting out there
talking about, go check it out. Debro. It's good to
see you as always, my friend. And when we start
to launch into this conversation about second year wide receivers,
you know, oftentimes it does, you know, come at that

(01:27):
cost of you start to look at the players of
years past and second year breakouts. We had second year
breakouts from guys like Aman Rossaint Brown, Jackson Smith, and
Jigba DK Metcalf. Those are all guys in the past.
How important is how a guy finishes his rookie season
and how does that portend in your opinion to that
second year breakout? Debro?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh, it's huge, man. I mean we keep talking about
and the narrative is true, we're talking about it here,
is that you need to invest in talented second year
wide receivers, because those are the guys that can honestly
bring on the bacon. Those are the guys that can
bring championship to your fantasy leagues for you. And that's
what we're hoping for, is we see a flash in
year one, and then we see that elevation of talent

(02:09):
and then the scheme and the offense condense around that
player in year two. But we need to see that
rookie year flash and if we see that, then I mean, man,
it's usually wheels up in year two.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Now, Harmon, we've been spoiled there, I say, in the
last couple of years with some rookie wide receivers that
have hit the ground running. But that's not always the case.
So I know you're the guy to ask this question.
Do you done all the homework again, all the articles,
all the research. Why is it year two that certain
guys tend to really pop off? Is it just a
matter of getting more comfortable NFL? Is it a matter

(02:40):
of just situations potentially changing? What is the trend, if any,
of why the second year wide receiver tends to be
one of those breakout candidates.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, frankly, I think it is a lot of what
you said at the beginning there, which is that we've
become spoiled in our side, in our little sandbox here,
and that if the guy doesn't do it in his
rookie year, we already start to begin knocking that player
down in terms of the next season rankings. I mean,
I think Jackson Smith and Jig was a great example
of this. He's he's probably like the perfect example of

(03:10):
what we'd hope that any of these guys that were
going to discuss today becomes like looking for this year's
Jackson Smith and Jigg was so important because he was
a guy that in his first season, like if you
watched him play, he was he looked comfortable in the NFL.
Like it wasn't perfect, but he looked like a very good, promising,
totally fine rookie. But if you looked at like the
efficiency metrics, he didn't really pop in any in any

(03:33):
discernible way. But it was very easy to explain that
away because he was playing behind two Pro Bowl wide
receivers with a ton of cachet in the Seattle Seahawks
organization in terms of DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. He
had gino Smith, a quarterback who's who's familiar with both
of those guys, so naturally, yeah, he from a statistical perspective,
he didn't look like anything special coming out of his

(03:54):
out of his rookie season, so he really had to
watch him play and see that he was comfortable, and
I think because of that, he ended up being a
massive value this year. He was like outside the top
forty receivers wide receiver forty one in closing ADP last year,
and he finished his wide receiver ten. So I think
that's really why these seemingly big jumps can happen for
these guys in year two. In addition to they're just

(04:16):
more comfortable in the NFL, the team and hopefully quarterback
understands more about them. It's just really easy in that
second season to get caught up. Like we don't talk
about this enough, that those guys come into the NFL
out of their college seasons with basically no real off
time because they get out of college football, they immediately
start preparing for the NFL Draft. It's just a lot,

(04:38):
it's a total information overload. So that's a big part
of it. But also I think our expectations for rookie
wide receivers now are just way too high. So these
guys that have totally normal rookie seasons where they're not
all the way firing off, not everybody as Molik Neighbors,
not everybody as Jamar Chase. It's totally they end up
getting pushed too far down the board, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
But Matt, I want them to be I want them all.
We all want them to.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Confrect world. Yeah, and they all come in and score
double digit touchdowns on our immediate.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Top ten servitors.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But there's a lot of as I said, in terms
of the homework, there's a lot of good wide receivers
in the NFL, and therefore these guys can be stuck behind,
you know, good established players and it just takes a
little bit of time.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, And like the so many circumstances, right confidence we
talked about, we talked about depth charts, right JSN and
to other guys ahead of you in the depth chart,
that's a little difficult sometimes. So there's so many little,
tiny nuances and every one of these circumstances that makes
a difference. So we're gonna break down some of the
bigger guys. Then some of the guys maybe further down
the trough too, that could be some sleepers in year
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you gotta do. All right, Let's start with Marvin Harrison Junior.
Here ECR the Expert Consensus Rankings on Fantasypros dot com
at Marvin Harrison Junior at Wide Receiver twenty one. He
finishes Wide Receiver twenty nine. Now, Debro, we did a

(06:29):
lot of shows together last year, and perhaps that was
a tell of mine that I said, well, I want
all of them to be good in year one, and
I had a lot of picks at the turn and
a lot of shares of Marvin Harrison Junior that just
did not work out. He ran a lot of routes
that were a little straighter than I wanted. And I
gotta be honest with you, in the words of one

(06:49):
of our favorite sports icons, I'm not trying to be
the best at running here, like I want Marvin Harrison
Junior to do a little bit more, and I want
Kyler Murray to force some some targets, which is also
something he said you didn't want to do. So Larvin
Harrison year two, let's break down the value who he
is now based upon what he was last year and
if he can deliver year two breakout Derek.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Man, I hope he could deliver, because I feel like
right now we are I don't want to say we're
being too aggressive an ECR like already hoisting him up
considering his rookie season as a top twenty four wide
receiver in Fantasy I'm not there and my rankings, I
got the most wide receiver twenty eight, so I'm a
little more pessimistic about Marvin Harrison Junior. It's just it
comes down to if you look at his season last year, guys,

(07:32):
and we talked about this, Joey, if people want to
go back and look at make or break players we
recorded earlier this offseason, but outlining how he was utilized
last year, what are we going to get for utilization
this year? Because weeks one through nine, this guy was
at less than thirty percent of his routes were horizontal breaking.
Those are your over the middle routes, the really the
high volume routes. And okay, it went up a little

(07:54):
bit towards the back half of last season with forty
one percent of his routes being horno zonal breaking. And
this all comes down to not only just the routes
that he was running, but who he is as a player.
And it's like the Cardinals didn't understand. They kind of
lost the substance here. They didn't understand the player that
they were drafting. It's like you get a guy like
Marvin Harrison Junior, who is a very distinct, really good

(08:16):
route runner, and you have him running the QJ route tree.
We're running clearouts all freaking day it's horizontal, it's vertical
breaking routes, and he wasn't very good at him either,
man Like, amongst one hundred and twelve qualifying wide receivers
last year, he was eighty fourth in vertical separation, fifty
first and vertical win rate, and those were top twenty
rates if you look at horizontal breaking routes. So it

(08:38):
comes down to what version of his usage are we
going to get. Is he gonna get more underneath stuff
this year, which he is really stinking good at, or
for an offense that didn't add any wide receiver talent.
Is he gonna get shoved right back in the same
clearout role. I would love to be bullish right now
on him and assume that Drew Petsing is going to

(08:59):
have better usage for the player and understand his skill
set better in year two. But I feel like we're
already paying with for that in ECR in early Bestball
drafts and accounting for things that haven't happened, and there
is a lot of assumption of rational coaching, and I
don't know if we get that, man. So I will
say I have a lot of hope for Harrison Junior,

(09:21):
and I love the skill set I just have big
questions about the usage. And we haven't even dove into
the quarterback play of Kyler Murray, which we know anybody
that rostered Kyler last year, you know that kind of
roller coaster. It was either top five or he's not
out of the top fifteen quarterbacks, and he looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So Harmon to me right around wide receiver twenty overall
is okay? I actually think that's fair considering what's after
him and some of the question marks you have some
of these players. I think Derek makes some good points too,
which is, you know, what is he in this offense?
And what sort of wide receiver in terms of utilization
is he going to be in year two? Are think

(10:00):
I learn from some of the mistakes? That's a big
question because this has not historically been an organization that
has learned from a lot of its mistakes. They've struggled
quite a bit at times. So talk to me about
and also talk to me about the new physique of
Marvin Harrison and how that might actually have either a
positive or negative impact.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, he's definitely been hitting the curls, eating the steak
and hitting the curls. Man, So you know, we'll see
how that translates to the field. I will say I
do think one of my critiques from his rookie season
was he probably did need to play a little bit
more physical. I don't know if you know, having bigger
guns is all that we need from there, but hey,
maybe it can't hurt. I think one thing that we

(10:37):
have to always understand with football, with fantasy, and honestly
really with life in general. We want to assume that
it's just one thing when something goes wrong. But just
like success has many fathers, failure also has many fathers.
Like there's not just one thing that leads something to
go wrong. And I think the reality is that three

(10:58):
things were part of what went wrong for Marvin Harrison
Junior last year, and I think all three of them
really have to share like equal blame. I think one
Harrison just wasn't a perfect player. Was a good player,
but he wasn't outright dominant in contested situations, especially it's
contested catch right in reception perceptions below sixty percent, you

(11:20):
certainly want that much higher, especially for a guy who
does have the physical frame. He just wasn't really comfortable
in these areas where he needed to play physical or
work back to the football. So that's something he's got
to work on as an individual player. I think he
can get better in that. That's actually the one thing
I think definitely if we're going from year one to
year two, I think he can improve and he can
get better at just winning those contested catches, especially if

(11:42):
he is bulking up, if he's playing stronger, he's playing
more physical, all the things like that. The other two
things are a little bit more complicated because one, as
Derek mentioned, we've got to get some different deployment here,
and even less so too, It's less to me about
the routes. It's more about where's he running those routes from, like,
because he is one of these guys that is an
eighty percent outside eighty percent on the line of scrimmage player,

(12:03):
like just pure X receiver work. And yeah, like he
can play X receiver, but all the best receivers in
the NFL right now are not just taking all their
snaps from one position. They're moving across the formation. His
rookie year, like overall reception perception success rates are very
similar to a guy like Ceedee Lamb and his rookie season. Now,
I don't think he'll always become like a it will

(12:24):
become like an almost exclusive slot player like Cede Lamb
has been, or maybe he won't be that slot heavy,
but a lot of this extra slot work, you know,
wouldn't hurt some off the line of scrimmage deployment as well.
So I do think that can change, but we don't
know that it's going to change. And it's the same
offensive coordinator last year. And even more importantly, they didn't
add any other receivers to this roster that can like

(12:47):
free up Marvin Harrison Junior. They didn't add a speed
threat at X receiver that can let him, you know,
loose and run out of the slot or run as
a flanker a little bit more. Are we just putting
Michael Wilson in that role? Now? I think, I think
actually that can that can work ish, but it's diminishing
returns then for a guy like Michael Wilson, who they
probably want to see something from in his third season.

(13:08):
And then the third point, as Debro mentioned, we got
the Kyler Murray factor here, and in reception perception, Marvin
Harrison Junior is most commonly run route twenty four point
one percent was a dig route. It was his also
most like relatively successful route. Kyler Murray just doesn't throw
over the middle of the field like That's another thing
is we're hoping to see more of these horizontal breaking
routes from Marvin Harrison Junior because he's really good at them.

(13:30):
That's just not really where Murray has ever shown a
proclivity to work because he can't really see those plays.
I Mean, we all try to talk around this sometimes,
but he's a small quarterback and most shorter quarterbacks don't
work the middle of the field all that well. So
that's sort of where I'm maybe not quite like wide
receiver twenty eight as low on Marvin Harrison Junior. But
these are all things that you have to take into

(13:51):
account that we need a lot to change from year
one to year two for him to be a consistent
weekly producer. I have full faith in the player. I'm
just hoping that we see some different utilization because that's
going to help ease some of these concerns that have
about his and Kyler Murray's marriage.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, he was certainly tall enough to find DeAndre Hopkins
a couple of years ago. And to your point, if
we're getting into the preseason, we start to see Harrison
lining up in the slot. That's certainly something where you
might want to adjust some of your rankings of where
you guys have Harrison. Let's talk about Xavier Worthy, wide
receiver twenty six. Last year finishes wide receiver thirty three.
Certainly a guy that got hot late and into the postseason.

(14:29):
You saw the targets move up quite a bit in
those last couple of games too, especially the last three
games he played before Week eighteen. So Worthy a guy
who's explosive playmaker. We know he has great speed, but harmon,
what do you think of him in year two? Could
there be a bigger share for him or does a
returning Rushie Rice kind of move Xavier Worthy Just back
into that. Hey, you're the explosive play guy. You're cute.

(14:51):
Just go to the side of the field. Team cute guy,
for sure, You're cute. I love what you do. You're
so fast sometimes you gets you to jets. You're adorable.
Go go play in the outside, get out here.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And it's funny the way you're saying that, because I
actually sometimes I'm like enough of the cutes like gadgety stuff.
Let's run a real offense. That's the Chiefs man. But
that's always why and always will be the Chiefs. It's look,
I love Andy Reid. Andy Reid's he knows more about
football than I will forget, you know, or he'll forget
more about football than I ever know my entire life.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Obviously, both of those things are true. However you said them,
Sure it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, both of them are true. But sometimes this offense
can feel a little bit too Mickey Mouse, and like
I'd prefer some real adult stuff because I think the
quarterback can handle it. But the problem is all of
these receivers in some way are flawed and need roll catering.
Rashi Rice included, Like, as productive as he was to
start this seat this past season, number one, I wouldn't

(15:47):
just immediately say, like, oh, he was averaging this, that
and the other. He did this, that and the other
in three point one games and just assume it was
going to happen over the course of a full seventeen
game season. I think that's a little bit faulty logic.
But even if he was going to it would still
be in a way that he needs that role catering
because he's a zone, beating yards after catch kind of
slot player. He's not somebody that you're just gonna line

(16:08):
up on the outside and ask to win against pressman
coverage and run these big boy routes. Neither is Xavier Worthy,
which makes these two guys and how they work together
a little bit strange, especially because when Worthy was popping
off towards the end of the season and into the
postseason Super Bowl aside, because that was just none of
that stuff matters. None of those players like really impacted
the game that he made, Like even when he was

(16:29):
thriving in the AFC Championship game, in those other postseason games,
it was a lot of short condensed close to the
line of scrimmage stuff. Not in the same exact way
as Rashie Rice, but in similar ways from an overall perspective.
So I think for Worthy to thrive, he really does
have to be more of a downfield receiver, and he
is a good downfield separator. He's not gonna win on

(16:51):
some of these base routes like slants and curls and
like high volume, but when he's gonna hit, he's gonna
hit big. From a downfield perspective, he does these Patrick
Mahomes to be a little bit more on the same
page with him because that was a struggle to work
on that downfield chemistry. So I haven't really found myself
gravitated much to Xavier Worthy at that like wide Receiver
twenty six ranking, because I do think Rice's role is

(17:12):
probably the more secure of the two when he's healthy
and when he's on the field, and I think with Worthy,
we need to see him win in a way that
we haven't quite seen yet. From a production standpoint.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's funny because Debro, you look and Jameson Williams is
right next to him. But in terms of okay, well,
these guys are very explosive, play making kind of guys
with the big play opportunities, I would go for Jameson
Williams over Xavile Worthy another band to back, but Deebro,
that's the problem I have with Worthy is where he is.
There is enough of a discount where I'm excited about him,
especially when there's a guy like Williams who's right there

(17:46):
with a similar skill set and more of a track
record of producing so far in terms of what he
did last two seasons.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
No, and I'm totally with both of y'all, I've got
Xavier Worthy buried in my rankings right now. There is
a divine, a great really divide yes between So where do.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
You have him? If he's so very what is buried?
And Derek Brown world look like I've got.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Rachid basically him, and I think I don't know where
She Rice is an ECR right now, but I have
Rashi Rice at wide receiver twenty four, which is basically
where ECR has Exavier Worthy, and I have Exavier Worthy
at wide receiver forty three.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Russia Rice is at nineteen just for perspective, So worthy
of send.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Mahomes to support a top twelve tight end and to
top twenty four wide receivers based off of ECR right now.
When Mahomes says not been now, we could talk about
real life and what he does on a per drop
back basis, but sure he's legitimately not played amazing football

(18:43):
over the last two years. He's legitimately been one of
the worst deep ball passers in the NFL. And I
think that that is going to it impacted Worthy last
year and it's going to impact Worthy this year. And
for all the Chiefs fans that are hearing that I
will give some numbers to context. Realized that over the
last two years, Patrick mahomes on downfield targets has been

(19:05):
the fifth lowest and ninth lowest in CPOE. He has
been the eight had the eighth highest, and the sixth
highest off target rate. So if we want to talk
about how bad Xavier Worthy was as a downfield as
a downfield weapon, this all goes back to Patrick Mahomes
has been god awful every time he has to drop
back and throw downfield. And I don't know if that
changes this year, guys and last year. I feel like

(19:27):
the Xavier Worthy ranking right now is recency bias. It's
the Super Bowl, it's the end of the season stuff,
which Harmon kind of laid out. He was operating in
the Rashi Rice roll.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
That's why he was good.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
The splits are definitively there. Weeks one through twelve, he
was wide receiver fifty one in Fantasy points per game.
He had a thirteen point nine percent target share in
a twelve point one A dot. His design target share
was only thirteen point two percent, So he wasn't getting
all these Rashi Rice schemed up targets. Wait until we

(20:01):
fast forward to week thirteen, and that's where we saw
Xavier Worthy take off. Week thirteen through seventeen, this guy
was the wide receiver twenty one in Fantasy points per
game in the Rashi Rice roll. He got a twenty
one percent target chair, he had a six point three
a dot, and his design target share doubled up to
twenty five point six percent. And I'm sorry people if

(20:24):
you're doing all this math and you're saying, but there's
only one Rashi Rice roll, and Patrick Mahomes is terrible
as a downfield passer over the last two years. Yes,
I don't think that he's gonna play the Rashi Rice
role when Rashee Rice comes back and he's already practicing
in full and he looks like he's gonna be a
full go from the word go in week one. So
why should we be high or feel really good about

(20:46):
Xavier Worthy Because he was terrible because of Mahomes and
he wasn't great as a downfield separator to begin the year.
Mahomes has been legitimately horrible to throwing downfield. He probably
goes right back in the downfield role. I it's all
hope him in these ranks, man Like I can't get
behind him.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, I can't believe you put me in the position.
It's unenviable to defend Patrick mahomes here to the general public.
But in all fairness, the offensive line is also not
what it used to be back in the day when
he was throwing for five thousand yards, he wasn't getting
the same protection. He's still got the big downfield arm.
I don't think any of us doubt that, but we
don't have the time for those guys to get right. Well,
to be accurate, you need time. You need to be

(21:24):
able to make sure you're getting the ball off in
the right spot, and these guys have time to get
open downfield. Now he's got some you know, like Tyreek
Hill was a burner, right, but we had the burner
with time to throw. That's a dangerous combination. He's got
the burner now he just doesn't have the time to throw.
So we'll see if that changes this season. We shall
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Speaker 1 (23:06):
Let's get to another wide receiver on today's list, Roma Dunza.
So this is a multifaceted one here because Roma Dunze
right now currently wide receiver thirty seven in the expert
consensus rankings. Last year finished as wide receiver forty nine.
New coaches come in, Keenan Allen has left. There's a
lot of variables. They drafted Luther Bourbon, so there's a

(23:26):
lot of things here. They're moving pieces Debro so this
is difficult. I like the player, I think you do
as well. I like the kid. But what does year
two look like? Could we see a breakout from Roma
Dunze in this Ben Johnson offense, or because we're changing
offenses again in the second year of a rookie's career,
we might have to temper our expectations.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I think people needed temporary expectations and this is I
love Drome as a prospect. I really really did. I
mean I had him sky high, Dynasty rankings, my comps, everything.
I love Troma as a prospect. But with the you
want to talk about this as a Caleb Williams conversation,
and that's one of the great things that and I
know one of the onuses why Harmon started doing reception
perception is to separate quarterback play from wide receiver play.

(24:10):
And it's like all of the efficiency metrics, the per
route stuff, toss it in the trash can for Roma
Dunesay because Kayleb Williams was god awful. He was legitimately
bottom five in every single per drop at metric that
you could pull up last year. He was terrible. And
so it's like some of the per route stuff. You
are so a beholden to your quarterback delivering accurate targets

(24:31):
to you, and Caleb Williams was unable to do that.
The reason that I'm I'm at or a little bit
below consensus because I've got Rome right now at wide
receiver thirty nine is when you just separate the quarterback
play from the wide receiver play. There's also not a
lot of stuff for Rome that just jumps off the
page for me. I mean, amongst one hundred and twelve
qualifying wide receivers last year, separating the quarterback play, he

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was seventy seventh in separation, he was fifty fourth in
route win rate. Okay, those are okay, but not terrible.
You look at again horizontal vertical breaking routes. He was
outside the top forty wide receivers in every single metric
there on separation and route win rate. So even if
we get Caleb Williams to take a step, and I

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think even a sizable step for Caleb Williams in year two,
a huge step even that would be to ask Caleb
Williams to play at a league average clip for quarterback
play in the NFL, because he was so bad last year.
A huge step for him would just be, look, just
be a serverable, serviceable starter. If you can do that,
then maybe we got more hope for the future. So

(25:38):
I can't ride the steam of Caleb Williams and all
the parts and pieces of this offense Roman Duze included.
So it's the quarterback play, it's the per route stuff
where it's like I don't see reasons to be over
the work, like over the moon, like bullish on Rome.
I'll probably stay at consensus are a little bit below,
but I'm definitely it's not a guy that I'm like

(25:58):
championing like all of like Preft and the entire redraft
season this summer for people.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
To go out and get I'm going to tie back
to our earlier conversation Harmon, because what you were talking
about earlier was, you know, the concept of you know,
success as many fathers. The saying goes, you know, but
failure is an orphan. That is the true saying, right,
So you talk about variables and what might happen here
and how that has such an impact on some of

(26:23):
these guys. There's a ton of variables right now for
Roman Dunsay, new coach, new system, different regime of people
coming in second year player. All of those things are
we looking at like the latest orphan where people are
just gonna look at Roman Dunsay and go, ah, you
know what. I just can't get a read on him.
Is that the right thing or the wrong thing to
do this year?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I really think the wide receiver thirty seven ranking for
him is like perfectly fine because it doesn't represent like
one way or another that you're super bullish, but it's like,
oh yeah, if he's going to go off the board
at wide receiver thirty six thirty seven, where he's kind
of at in drafts right now, that's like, that's where
you want to take the plunge on this type of player. Again,
going back to the Jackson Smith and Jigba example, this

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was right in the same range of drafts where he
went and it was very similar to a lot of
things that Debro said, where you know, if you just
isolated those two guys as players as rookies, they were
fine to good, not like, oh my god, this guy
blew me away. I'm you know, I mean, his reception
perception profile as the rookies is good, but it's not perfect.
Like I don't totally agree with all the separation numbers

(27:24):
that that de Bro through out there from like my
assessment of it, but I do think one criticism might
have of him is like he's he wasn't great at
like settling down and like being open like in zone coverage.
And some of that can be quarterback play induced, some
of it can also be offensive environment induced, and like
what are you teaching these guys, and I think by

(27:45):
everything that we've heard coming out of that Bears organization.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like to answer that Matt can answer very little, very
little little.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Wasn't a lot of teaching, wasn't a lot of details
going on, And I think that's definitely something that this
coaching staff be a big upgrade on. Look, do we
know what it's going to look like from an on
field product standpoint with Caleb Williams and these guys. No,
But I think that Ben Johnson Antoine randellel is a
wide receiver coach for these wideouts like this is going
to give them the best shot of it. So I

(28:13):
am a big Romandonsay fan. I'm still very bullish on
him as a player. I think this wide receiver thirty
seven ranking is pretty perfect for him and if he's
going to go in there, if he's going to go
in that range, I'll be taking him on a lot
of my teams just because I think there's a real
chance that he's the best wide receiver on this roster.
I don't think Dj Moore, after the season that he
had last year, can really cling to that title all

(28:34):
that well. He certainly has a chance for a rebound
year no question about that. But he's coming off a
poor season with a lot of bad effort and a
lot of bad just a lot of bad play on
the film. Luther Burton good player coming out, but not
a perfect prospect either. Also currently banged up in the offseason.
Never like to see that with rookies. Shoot, if we're
talking about JSN and we're talking about Roman Jonsay, there's
a theme there, banged up in the offseason of their

(28:56):
rookie years. So hopefully Luther Burton can get in and
be an early impact player, But right now I'd be
kind of skeptical of that. So to me, I do
think that Roman Duneesa is really well set up to
have a breakout season. Is he going to go from
wide receiver thirty seven to you know, a wide receiver
one or something like that. We need a lot to
go right for him to do that. But I don't
mind taking the risk here wide receiver thirty seven, mostly

(29:17):
because I really really do like the player.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, whenever you have a guy ranked at thirty seven,
it's basically like, yeah, he's he's just almost good, Like
I just almost want him. He's not quite a wide
receiver three. That's what it's telling you. But there's upside
for more. I want to talk about the next guy
on our list, Ricky Piersoll wide receiver forty five. Fun fact,
all of the current San Francisco forty nine or wide
receivers are ranked outside of the top thirty six right now.

(29:43):
So what does that mean to you, Matt Harmon when
you're trying to dissect Ricky Piersoll's influence on Fantasy in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Five, means you need to be taking some forty nine
ers wide receivers because let me tell you what somebody's
finishing inside that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Somebody's gonna be right, yes, sir, nobody's going to be
one of weekly things like oh it's Ayuk and then
it's Jennings and it's Pearsall and you're just frustrated, Like
that's the thing. You don't know who the weekly target
guy is.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
No, that's assuming a starts off like which we know
he's from there.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
He's probably not. Yeah, that's a big thing to And also,
Ricky Piersall currently banged up this offseason. He's got a
little bit a hamstring. I'm not too worried about that,
Like it's it's freaking June. We don't have to be
putting players in our lineups just yet. If it's something that,
thank God, because we've all we've all got summer plans here,
this is something that lingers into camp obviously, then that's

(30:32):
a different conversation. But you can't talk about Piersaw as
a rookie and not talk about again talk about banged
up in the off season. The guy was shot in
the chest in August. Uh So there's a lot of
his rookie season that you almost just kind of have
to ignore. But I will say going back and watching
him in the back half of the season and charting
him for reception perception, I was really really impressed with him.

(30:53):
He really stood out as a player, and I think, frankly,
you can map it from the coaching staff seeing this
as well, because there's like, he's a really fun and
kind of now is it complicated, But there's a lot
of layers with a guy like Ricky Piersall because one
thing that we need to also come to terms with
the forty nine ers offense is that this is not
gonna be the same offense that we're used to seeing.
They actually sent I think a pretty clear signal taking

(31:14):
Piersaw in round one. When that pick happened, people be like, Oh,
are they moving on from Deebo like this year? All
this stuff, And really the thing is that Pearsaw is
a very different player than Debo. He's very different than Ayuk.
He's very different than really any receiver that's been in
this Shanahan offense before because he runs these like whip routes,
these option routes, returns. He plays almost more like Cooper

(31:36):
Cup than any of those other guys in terms of
the space that he creates for these players. But anyway,
so in the first part of the season you see
him trying to be used that way, but it's just
not very effective because he's coming off being shot in
the damn chest in August again shot in Chess.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, you would think that, you know, you talk Matt
about the struggles with playbooks, you talk about, you know,
being a rookie, transitioning in the NFL, becoming a pro,
all that stuff, and then to have something like that
happened on top of it, and to think that he's
not the anomaly that we've had. This happened now multiple
times in the NFL in the last couple of years.
I think that's even weirder where Bion Robinson Junior had
to deal with it, now he's doing I mean, what's

(32:10):
happening here? These poor rookies have to deal with enough.
They got to get shot on top of trying to
figure out, like all the adjustments of the NFL. Does
the fact that he was able to come back, and
then at the end of that season, in those last
couple of games, especially with Purdy, you really saw him
kind of take off. I know we don't want to
overrite ends of seasons. I know we don' want to playoffs.
We talk about that, but did you see enough in

(32:32):
those games where you're like, Okay, between the cost and
all those things, this is a kid who might be
undeniable this year and maybe the best value of all
the guys we're going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, I think he really is a good value. And
if I'm taking like forty nine ers receivers right now,
he's been the one I've gravitated to just because he
goes later than Juwan Jennings and I am I was
big of a fan as I am a brandon a You. Yeah,
I'm not expecting him to make a big early season impact.
We'll see if he can start hitting the ground running
later on. But you mentioned pierceaw in the finish of
the season. From a production standpoint, I think he started
to pop on film before he put that big Week

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seventeen game up, and especially the Thursday night game against
the Rams was really where it first manifested itself, and
then it happened the next week after that as well,
where he's just smoking man coverage, I mean, running these
fantastic routes creating separation. You got to remember this forty
nine Ers offense faced a ton of man coverage last
year because teams didn't respect the run game. There wasn't
Christian McCaffrey back there. There wasn't a Brandon Ayuk, you know,

(33:26):
to dictate coverages on the outside, so people were manning
up on these receivers. The coaching staff sees Pearsall is
beating man coverage, they go in and play the Lions
defense that's the most man coverage heavy in the NFL
in Week seventeen, and Pearsall has this big game. I
don't think that's a coincidence. And again I think that
he's ticketed for a big and pretty unique and singular

(33:46):
role in this forty nine ers offense. So I really
liked Pearsall as a prospect, and by the end of
the season, I think he really started to round into shape.
So he's absolutely somebody I've been very gravitated to as
a breakout candidate this year.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Debro Matt mentioned that, you know, he does some stylistic
things like Cooper Cup ironically and ECR. They're back to
back and from what I haven't seen in Cooper Cup
the last couple years, Debro to me, this is easy.
I'm taking Piersol over Cup every single time.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Oh easy man. And then this is the San Francisco
wide receiver that I want to be targeting in drafts. Again,
we talked about Ayuk, what kind of start he gets
off at the season, how is his effectiveness even later
into the season. Juwan Jennings, I mean, are we really
going to talk about like we win a fully invest
and no shade to Juwan Jennings, but a guy that
didn't break out till age twenty seven, now he's heading

(34:32):
into his age twenty eight season. We saw all these
small snippets of that Piersall is the guy that I
want to gravitate to in that offense, and he's going
way too freaking cheap. Like right now, I've got him
aggressive versus ECR. I got him as wide receiver thirty
two right now because I want people making a bet
on Ricky Piersol And to all of Harmon's points, Yeah,
I went back and watched all the all twenty two
from Ricky Piersol from last year the beginning part of

(34:55):
the season. You see him run a bunch of whip routes.
He's you can tell he wasn't even in the target progression.
He wasn't the first second, probably maybe the third read
in the plays to begin the season when he got
on the field. So yes, those games happened where he
didn't get any targets, he didn't get any receptions. He
was lightly targeted. But I think it was extremely telling.

(35:16):
And we go back to how do we start out
this entire show, this conversation talking about we want to
see wide receivers flash in their rookie year. Now was
the flash like seven weeks? Was it just absolutely crazy
like Rashi Rice Orramana Sam Brown in their rookie seasons. No,
all we got was a two game sample, but we

(35:36):
did get that two game sample. People like San Francisco
put him in a high volume role and said we
want to see if you can answer the bell and
be a guy we can lean on next year, and
Ricky Piersoll said, yeah, man, I'm ready to go. The
last two weeks of last regular season, he was the
wide receiver seven and the wide receiver fourteen, and weekly

(35:58):
scoring he had almost a twenty two percent target chair
and this is where I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
They leaned on.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Him his first read chair in those two games with
thirty point four percent. So Shanahan was like, look, we're
dialing up plays. We want to see can you be
a cog going into your second year for this offense.
And Piersaw produced man two point eighty four yards per
route run in those two games, and it pops off

(36:23):
the film with the All twenty two as well, matching
all this up and his cost in drafts.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Which I don't think.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't think it's gonna raise like I think that
we're gonna see more respect put on the forty nine ers.
That just in general, as we go through training camp
and people kind of wake up and the rankings adjust
and the hype and all that kind of stuff. I
still don't think Ricky Pearsall is going to be ranked aggressively.
He's not going to get inside the top thirty wide receivers,
so that means I'm going to be drafting him a

(36:51):
ton this year.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well. Also, if you have early wide very excuse me,
your early running back builds, and you're trying to make
up at wide receiver, this seems like a name that
you want to be circling on your list. All right,
next guy on here and the last of the big names,
probably we're going to talk about. We'll get to some
more of the lesser wide receiver year two guys that
could break out. Keyon Coleman wide receiver fifty two finished
at sixty eight last year. De Bro, He's got an

(37:14):
MVP quarterback. I want to be more excited about Keyon Coleman.
So get me excited about key On Coleman, because statistically speaking,
I'm not I the offensive ecosystem. You know that right
about in the black book, like it should be there,
Everything should be according to plan. It's year two. Perhaps
I'm just being impatient like many other people out there.

(37:34):
So let's talk about Keyon Coleman and your expectations. Is
he going to be a breakout in year two?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I don't think so. I wish I could get you excited, Joey.
I feel like I'm tossing more cold water than anything
on all these second year guys, and you're huge.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Your saw love was pretty pretty thick.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'll go there, Yeah, I was thick. But I will
say with the rest of these guys, man like Keon
wasn't a prospect that I just absolutely loved. I remember
me and fits who were fighting the offseason about him,
and I wasn't in love with him as a prospect.
I was in love with anything I saw out of
the you know, his first year in the NFL, I
mean his final Because this all goes down to not
even just like Keon Coleman as a player, but how

(38:13):
Buffalo wants to run their offense. It's a wide receiver
by committee situation. Kean was playing full time as targets
are all spread across, and the big thing that like,
not only do we want to see Kean obviously earning
targets and had a high clip, he didn't do that
last year. His separation numbers were bad, Like outside of
the top, this guy was outside the top sixty five

(38:34):
wide receivers in separation and route win rate, the his
yards per route run. And again I'm at the quarterback play.
Josh Allen's really freaking good, so we can kind of
lean on that still fortieth in yards per route run.
It's just where's the out for Keon Coleman? Okay, Like,
is he going to be better than Khalil Shakir. I
actually think if you're looking for value in this offense,
it's not Keon Coleman, it's Joshua Palmer. But conversation for

(38:57):
another day. Kean Coleman. It's also over the final eight
games that he played in the regular season, du got
three red zone targets. Buffalo loves to do all kinds
of different stuff in the red zone, whether it's Almen's
legs or trick plays or pop passes or spread the
ball around, whether it's the touchdowns or the target earning potential.
I just don't see it for Keon If I'm I mean, like,
if I miss out on Keon Coleman, fine, I get

(39:18):
burned by it, but it's just not a player I'm
in on.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
See I wasn't in on him. And then the Bills
didn't draft a wide receiver Harmon, and that's where I'm like, Okay,
well maybe I should be because it looks like the
Bills are so where do you lie on this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But they signed Elijah Moore and this is the year actually, boys,
so I'm like seven seventy kidding, I'm putting on.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
The josh Palmer. I mean it's funny. They're kind of
like the I mean they're also it's like the Land
of Misfit Toys with wide receivers too, Leviscus Chinald, Curtis Samuel,
Elijah Moore, Joshua Palmer. I mean, this looks like the
waiver Wierstood four super genius for all the discussion all
the wide receiver, but that is that is whatever. But

(40:05):
I mean it sounds like the wail Wires twenty twenty
two slash Harmon.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Harmons is burying the lead? Is this just going to
turn into a Curtis Samuel topic here?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Dude? I know I will not moved.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, we've moved the eye of sour on from Curtis
Samuel at the Bill's receiver room to Elijah Moore.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
And then you know, if I couldn't like you anymore,
you just went up another notch Man. Well, you know,
I got more of the rings references here on the
Show's really.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Happy, I gotta tell you, man, I mean, the amount
of like reception perception guys the Bills have brought into
this wide receiver room is pretty astounding. I mean, like
John Brown back in the day, Stefan Diggs, now Curtis Samuel,
Elijah Moore, Khalil Shakir was a prospect I ranked as
the third round or they took him in the fifth round.
But then like the guy that is the outlier here

(40:53):
is definitely Keyon Coleman. Because I'm a like de Bro,
I disagreed with some of the Roma dunesday separation, I'm
not disagreeing with the Keon Coleman ones on that one
because third percentile success rate versus man cover, eighth percentile
success rate versus press as a rookie, and like the
reality is Deebro said it, like we want him to
earn targets. I think that Keon Coleman could be a

(41:15):
target earner, just not in the role that the Bills
have him ticketed for, because when they drafted him, they
said he was gonna be an X receiver. They were
true to their worth. They basically played him almost exclusively
at X receiver seventy eight point four percent snaps on
the line of scrimmage, eighty eight point eight percent outside.
He's just never going to be like a high consistent, separator,

(41:39):
high target player at that position. That being said, I
think in best ball only because like redraft managed leagues,
I don't think I'm gonna be able to pick the
keon Coleman weeks. I don't mind like wide receiver fifty
two because he's gonna have some big weeks. I don't
think he's gonna I don't think he's gonna play himself
out of a job because he's not useless. Like he
does win on slant routes. He is actually really much

(42:00):
better after the catchers. Is why I'd want to see
him get some more free releases and routes off the
line of scrimmage and things of that nature, because he
can be explosive with the ball in his hands and
he's an okay, a little bit overrated, but an okay
ball winner as well. So like this is a guy
that's going to have a pulse and be like an
NFL wide receiver in the Josh Allen offense. And I
actually think he shows some similarities to like Gabe Davis.

(42:21):
And look, we all know who gave Davis is and
you know there were people not this person, but there
were people that drafted Gabe Davis and like the damn
third fourth round a couple of years ago, and he
had his moments with the Bills. So like, I'll take
like best ball, you know, fifty two wide receiver there
for Keon Coleman, even though I have a lot of
problems with the player profile and more importantly, how the

(42:43):
Bills have decided to deploy him.

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let's pay a little game. Short and sweet, lightning round,
stash or past. These are some wide receivers in year two.
You tell me if you want to stash or pass them,

(43:26):
if you do have something to say about it, Debro,
keep it, keep it light. Like two.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I knew I was gonna get somewhere. Not too much.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
He's he's in a good company here. Nobody has ever
called me brief, So don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
You guys are like the Tolkens of fantasy football analysts.
But I love it. I love the outline.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
It said brief and lightning round. I was like, okay, Gus,
Lightning's gonna strike a lot today.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, all right, so let's try. Let's start with Jayalen
mcmill in Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Good finish to the season.
Mega Buka gets drafted. It gets very very crowded there,
Debro stash er, Pash McMillan.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I'm gonna stash him. If Mike Evans can't stay healthy,
Chris Godwin slow out the gate. We saw the Flashes
wide receiver eleven weeks fourteen through eighteen, So the talent's there,
all right.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Matt Harmon, stash or pass. Yeah, it's hard to say.
I almost sound like Sean Connery stash O. Pash's very
different from me. Which one receiver?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Wan Harmon, I'll stash. I'm skeptical of the player. I
do think he is like a wide receiver three in
the NFL at best number three type guy. But it's
one of the best offenses in the league. And he's
actually already like thrived in that role. So if there
are injuries, he's definitely gonna be useful for your lineup.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
All right, Double up here, Jalen Coker, Xavier Laguett, Matt Harmon,
stash or pass?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Oh, what's more than stash? Like, let me let me
get some exposure to these Panthers wide receivers because I
think beyond Teed McMillan, this is a little bit of
an ambiguous situation. H Jalen Coker was better than Xavier
Laget last year. Jalen Coker is a damn good football player.
But I I think that actually getting McMillan into the
mix here as the X is going to allow ZAB

(45:04):
really get to slide into a more comfortable role. So
I'm okay with both of these guys. And again it's
an ambiguous situation with a quarterback that I do think
is still a sending, so I would be stashing both
of these guys.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
De bro I'm stashing both these guys for a lot
of the reasons Harmon mentioned and the four games that
we got with both of these guys playing sixty percent
or higher snaps, Cocher out targeted, did it basically everything
better than xavierly Get. The reason I'll leave the light
on for a lget and I want to stash him
is because I actually want to see him, kind of
like Harmon was talking about Kean. I want to see

(45:36):
him in a slot role. Dude. He was top thirty
five in both separation and route win rate from the slot.
Carolina doesn't understand the player they have. If they put
him in a big slot role, I think they get
could break out this year.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Well, I'm feeling still.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I think one thing saying there that they did have
they were using him right before the Deontay Johnson Yes
situation whatever, we want to call that out.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Almost forgot about that first, but second, thank you, I'll.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Never I'll never forget it because once once Johnson like
was you know, exited stage left, went to the Ravens
and then whatever the hell happened there. Uh, then they
moved leaguet to X and that obviously did not work out.
So I do that. I think the Panthers they I
think they'll they'll be using him a little bit more
correctly this year.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
All right, let's pick up the pace gentleman a d
Mitchell and down by Mitchell debro Stasher pass pass.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
He can't even get play more snaps than Alec Pearce.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Harmon, Yeah, pass X only in a very crowded wide
receiver room. Josh Downs and Michael Pittman are better players.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
At quarterbacks quarterback quarterback and' and we're hoping and we're
hoping for Danny Dimes, Like, come on, what are we talking? Yeah,
that's that's that's not a good Matt Harmon Stasher pass.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I guess Sash he was.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He was like a No, that sounds like a pass
to me, my friend, deebro Sasher pass the pass.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
It's a wide receiver committee possibly after Sutton and I
hope Pat Bryant can take a full time role. We
shall see the pass On.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Bailey, all right, Malik Washington, Stasher.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Pass, I'll stash him. Actually, if Tyree gets moved on.
We saw at least enough out of the league weeks
fifteen through eighteen one point six four yards per route run.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Small bit of hope there, Harmon.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, like loose a light stash because I did really
like the prospect and he is probably buried in Miami,
but maybe not forever.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Maybe not forever. Roman Wilson does he have new life here?
Stasher pass? Harmon now pass pass, de bro pass, moving on.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I don't even know if Aaron Rodgers can support one
good pass catcher this year we shall see.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Luke McCaffrey Stasher pass.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Dero, Dude, I got a pass and I liked him
as a prospect, but I think not playing a full
time role in his for a rookie season, adding debo,
Washington's kind of telling us all we need to know.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Harmon, I can actually stash him when weirdly, I didn't
really like him that much as a prospect, but I
think flash I fly. Well, I shouldn't say it like him.
I just thought he was like a pure developmental player,
so not surprising. You need to make an impact in
year one, but there were some like when I watched
him for the n c's Rookie Report for reception perception,
there were some okay, promising moments, and like, I'm just
very skeptical that Debo works out at all, So I

(48:13):
wouldn't mind just stashing all right.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Jordan Whittington, Harmon Stasher pass.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Even I really don't have like a strong Whittington take,
but I'll probably pass just because a lot.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Needs to happen for him to get on the field. Yeah, injuries,
that's basically how about you, Debro.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I'll stash him only because I mean, Pooka has shown
that he's dealt with injuries. Yeah, you're older to two
when we know we're getting out of two two and
the small bit we did get out of Winnington last year,
I mean, the guy was ninth in yards per route
run amongst all wide receivers with a hundred routes. I
know it was a really really small sample, but still
there's talent there.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Jermaine Burton de bro Dasher pass.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Oh gosh, man, I loved his talent. The dude just
has all the talent in the world. At a ten
cent head.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I got a sure does.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
How about you, Harmon, I will stash up until ter
cut down day. Uh, just because they're they're selling a
little bit of like, oh he's really locked in this
year and y yeah, sure, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Didn't that feel that entire sound bite like of him
at the locker yesterday? And didn't it feel like somebody
had coached him like, Okay, say these things he's locked
people believe.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's where he's locked in it. I get there there
right now.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Excuse you? Uh you mean the quarter set machines at
the local casino?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Uh huh yeah, Troy Franklin, Stasher pass, Harmon pass, Yeah, passed.
How about some Patriots Javon Baker, Jylen Polk, Debro, can
I hate you any other patriots?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Noble has already given Javon Baker an ear full in
ot as, and he's got.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Williams Now, he's got Stefan Diggs. Right, So these guys
are passes for you, right man? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Probably pass all right?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Last two Malachi Corley, Jacob Cowing, Stasher pass. Any of
those two guys pass, So pass past forever passing on
those two guys. So this is great. So we got
a good idea of the wide receiver twos that have
some opportunity here, and surprisingly the Carol A Panthers guys
also got some love here on the show, which I like.
I'm with you, guys, man. I believe in the coach.

(50:06):
Everywhere he goes, he fixes what's wrong with a quarterback
and eventually, you know, I feel like fantasy managers should
kind of catch on to that great stuff. As always, gentlemen,
before we say goodbye today, I just want to acknowledge
a loss in our community of fantasy football. We are
a community here of analysts of football players who you know,
just love the game of fantasy football, love football. And

(50:29):
Anthony Servino who worked here at Fantasy Pros on the
news desk for a while and was one of the
fun independent voices out there doing his podcasting going out
there working for many different companies over the years as well.
Unfortunately untimely passing for Anthony just the other day. If
you'd like to contribute to the go fundme, you can
go hit up my Twitter feed or d Bros. We

(50:52):
both have the go fund me up there. You can
find it on our timeline. So a sad situation, I know,
I did Anthony show many times, Matt, I assume he
got you on there as well all of us. I
think knew Anthony in some fashion, but Deebro, I know
you knew him just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Better I will. I reached out and texted with his
wife yesterday to kind of share these same thoughts. So
nothing that I haven't already shared with his family. But
I wouldn't be sitting here, guys, writing if it wasn't
for Anthony Servino and Michael Hoff. Years ago, I bought
a cheap chromebook from best Buy and had the idea
that I wanted to write, or at least try to

(51:27):
get into fantasy football writing. I sent him a DM
on Twitter and he responded to me immediately, opened doors,
sent my name to places, got me into places and writing.
And I can honestly tell people that I would not
be sitting or doing this show. I would not be
writing for Fantasy Pros if it wasn't the kindness and

(51:48):
the friendship that Savina showed me over multiple years.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
And I didn't realize this. Also, somebody of very instrumental
and Andrew's career as well, so Drew Erickson here, so
again it's a huge loss for his family. More than anything.
Loss for the community also, so I just wanted to
take a moment to acknowledge that. And of course, again
it's the beautiful things about what we do is you
get to meet a lot of amazing people. And I
know Anthony loved football almost as much as he loved

(52:15):
his family. So again, our condolences to him and his family.
And it's a huge loss for our community. And I
just want to thank everybody just for tune into the
show today, and I hope everybody goes out there, hug
your kids and you know, have a good day and
take things in stride because again it's fantasy football. It's
important to all of us. But you know, just take
a moment to appreciate the things you've got because you

(52:36):
don't know how long you have them for. So that'll
do it for us. But the story of the game
goes on. Matt Harmon, amazing stuff is always. Thank you
so much for coming on for Matt Harmon and Derek
Brown Debro the King of Bros. I'm Joey p. We'll
see you next time. Kids.

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