Players You'll Regret Drafting (Ep. 243)

Football Diehards' Bob Harris is with us as we shed some light on which players you will surely regret drafting. However, before we jump into that, we just can't understand why the Broncos have decided not to start Royce Freeman (8:13). It's hard to trust Devonta Freeman (25:29) with how much work he cedes to Tevin Coleman, Derrick Henry's (36:04) current situation is very similar to what he experienced last year, and Alshon Jeffery (47:41) is unjustly being taken as a top 30 WR.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Everyone, Welcome back to the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Bobby Sylvester with Mike Taglier as always, and we're on
Twitter at Bobby Fantasy pro and at Mike Taglier NFL tags.
What's going on, man, Oh nothing, man, it's it's it's
we're now like we're just talking before the show and
we're now officially like a week in two days away
from the first game of the NFL season. So I'm

(00:37):
pretty sych, man. I know some people are like dread
this part of the year because it's like it's about
to become really busy. And granted we're gonna be busy, obviously,
but we're gonna be busy having fun. Yeah. And that's
the thing is just like we've been waiting all year
for this to happen, and it's like, I can't wait
to see football on my screen again. I like real
football being played. Accounts preseason's fun, I mean, but it's
just not the same, You're right. So our guest today

(00:57):
is Bob Harris, so Football Diehards dot Com and he's
a member of the Fantasy Sports Writers Association Hall of Fame. Bob,
thanks for taking the time to join today's show. Hey,
thanks for having me on guys. Good to talk to
again Mike, and good to meet you, Bobby. And yeah,
work is play, guys. This could be much worse. Digging
ditches is the other thing I'm qualified to do, and
it's not as appealing as this. By the way, guys,

(01:19):
Bob is found on Twitter at Football Diehard and his
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I was looking over the listener mail bag, and you know,
we've got a ton of questions. We should probably get
to those sometime on a show here tags, but one
stood out to me that I want to ask you
too about to start today's show from Scott in Chicago.

(03:07):
He's a Bears fan. He says, it's been a while
I need some Mike Evans talk. He absolutely busted from
my team last year seemingly due to inconsistent quarterback situation.
The offense spread the ball around because of all their
you know, effective targets. I don't see anything different going
to the season. Yet every expert around the league has
him locked in as wide receiver. One am I crazy
one to put him behind guys like Hilton Digs, Thelan Fitzgerald,

(03:29):
even Tyreek Hill. Bob, what's your take on Mike Evans
going into the season. I look, I share in some
of those concerns. I you know, there's I'm pretty much
more confident in the other those you know, the other
raft of guys that AJ Greens, but they're in a
similar vein and I think you know you're hoping for
the targets with him because obviously the catch percentage is
not what you're banking on. You're counting on the on
the heavy volume in the big catch radius and you know,

(03:52):
the thousand yards seasons. But I am a little worried,
you know, with Oj Howard coming on maybe being a
little more prominent role, and more importantly, Chris Godwin, who
looks like he actually catches the ball when it's thrown
to him in the end zone. He's good, isn't he. Yeah,
he looks it looks very good. So yeah, those are concerns. Look,
I think you're still drafting him based on opportunities. A

(04:12):
lot of the way I draft is based on opportunities.
He's gonna get a ton of those. I know, if
you're worried about say Ryan Fitzpatrick starts, so you look
back last year. I think Fitzpatrick in the three games
they played together to target him Evans six, ten and
twelve times, if I'm not mistaken. So I mean, I
think you know the volume is going to be there
because he's such a big target, and you know, Jamis

(04:33):
Winston clearly not afraid to go to him. It's just
he's got to be more efficient with the work and
he's got to improve a little bit still. I mean,
you know, it's a solid floor you think with him, right,
I mean, maybe he doesn't hit his ceiling, but he
seems like safe bet to hit that floor. That's my
thing too. And you know, this is why I want
to talk about Mike Evans because he's one of these
players you just can't figure out. He's been the league

(04:54):
four years, He's got a thousand plus yards in every season.
He's he's a lot to get one hundred and thirty
five targets tags, I would believe. So. I mean, even
with the talent surrounding him, if Chris Godwin makes it
into the starting line up over DeShawn Jackson and DeShawn
Jackson's only on the field for three wide receiver sets,
that would be somewhat shocking. But that would be detrimental
to Mike Evans because Chris Godwin is more of a
possession style receiver than Deshaan Jackson and he will take

(05:17):
away some of those targets and that's where Evans makes
his money. Yeah, but I think it's fair to say
that Evans he like I think last year may have
been his floor in terms of production wise, Like he
had a thousand yards, he had five touchdowns. He's going
to score more than five touchdowns when you're six five,
you know, two hundred and thirty two hundred thirty five pounds,
You're going to score touchdowns. Like. He's been really up
and down, and I think that says a lot about
the quarterback connection with him and Jamis Winston being a

(05:38):
little bit on and off. I also think it says
a little bit about Mike Evans is and that I
just don't think Mike Evans is like an elite wide receiver.
I think that he's an above average NFL wide receiver
who just happens to have one of the biggest bodies
in the NFL, so he's going to get targeted. I
always struggle, Bob to picking between Mike Evans and Doug Baldwin.
Those are two players who I often look at at
the start of the third round. And I mean, I

(06:01):
think Doug Baldwin might be a little bit safer, but
he's been up and down a little bit throughout his
career too. It's just I got Baldwin. I think he's
safer not as much upside. I mean, right, we talked
about league winners yesterday, and Mike Evans is a league winner.
He was the wide receiver one in twenty sixteen. Now
the other two recent years wide receiver twenty seven, wide
receiver twenties. So it's a little scary. Yeah, I think.

(06:22):
I think we're trying, you know, we're drafting on Mike Evens,
hoping for that rookie year. I think with Baldwin it's
it's been a little more even production, just you know,
both short, just short of the thirty thousand yards season
last year, like by nine yards. I don't see a
lot of a talent competing with Baldwin for that, you know,
for touch, for looks at it, and certainly no one
with a proven connection with Russell Wilson. Yeah, I mean

(06:44):
I'm looking at the guys that he mentioned, you know,
t Y Hilton's to find digs, Tyreek Hill, Larry Fitzgerald.
I think that there are question marks about all those guys,
especially t Y Hilton. I think Mike Evans, like you said,
tags that is his floor, like wide receiver twenty five.
So that's that's not bad. That's not gonna kill you
Tyreek Hill, t Y Hilton, I think they could kill you.

(07:04):
Hill's not gonna get the targets, Hilton. If Andrew Lucketts hurt,
we've seen him just be a dud. So I'm not
worried about Mike Evans. Yeah, I think. I think the
thing you can know with Baldwin is he's gonna catch
the football. You know, I think he had one drop
out of seventy six catchable passes thrown. You know, Hilton
a little boomy, busty. You think Tyreek Hill is going
to be that, although you know, I get if you're
you know, we talk a lot about balanced rosters. We

(07:25):
should talk about the balance, you know, within the position.
So you know, if you get one of those guys
that you're looking for big upside like Tyreek Hill or
t Y Hilton, the boomy, busky guys, maybe you have
to come around and get one of the steadier performers,
kind of a high catch guy, especially in PPR leagues.
You know, a safer play, so you know, you mix
that volatility with a little safe type talent. So here's

(07:47):
what we've got planned for today's show. Guys. We're gonna
talk about players to avoid rounds. One through ten that
we just think going in that range are just too high.
Like obviously, if somebody drops far enough, even if Jimmy
Graham dropped far enough, I would take him. And that's
probably my biggest player to avoid. But we're gonna be
talking about those guys just so you don't go into
your drafts this weekend and and make the mistake of

(08:07):
grabbing it. Deshaun Watson will explain why later. I don't know,
maybe Bob will disagree with us, but we've got a
little bit of news to talk about in tags. I
think it has to start with Royce Freeman, who is
not starting for the Denver Broncos. What yep, Van's Joseph,
you know, he came out and said that Race Freeman's
actually gonna play in the fourth preseason game, and that's
kind of a joke. He has outplayed DeVante Booker. DeVante

(08:30):
Booker has had a shot to start with this running
back gig. I don't know what's happening here, but it's incompetent.
It's incompetent coaching. It's you know, it's not rational coaching,
as our friend Sigmund Bloom says. So yeah, I think
this should concern you with every single player on the
Broncos roster, because it just means that the best players
aren't on the field and they're not scheming around the
best players. That's that's how I take this, Like, are

(08:51):
they trying to lose what's going on here? Bob? It
is quite odd when I saw that I was on
the air last night, I'm serious, and look, I'm I
have there's not a rookie running back. I'm more confident
in what his workload or what his role will be
going into the season. Until I'm watching NFL Network and
Broncos darters will not play for other this week, Royce

(09:11):
Freeman will start. Why so, how long are we going
to have to watch the Broncos try and pound the
Booker's size peg into the feature back size hole without success?
I mean, I find it hard to believe that they
don't see the same thing we see eyeball test alone.
And granted, you know there's a lot of things we
you know, we see its fantasy owners. We see a

(09:32):
very narrow band of information. The coaches are there every day,
all day, they're around these guys. I just I just
wonder if this isn't taking that whole, you know, veteran
respect thing to a ridiculous level where you know, all
the rookies coming in have to earn every second of
everything they get. And and look, Freeman is by far
the better back. We've seen it in the games. We

(09:55):
have a body of evidence dating back, you know, previous
seasons with DeVante Booker. I think he's a great ancillary player.
He comes in and he can play a role, but
every time they try and thrust him into the primary role,
it hasn't been that successful for him. I'm hoping they've
learned their lesson and this is all just a horrible dream,
I hope. So if I had to bet before the
preseason started, I would have guessed that Tavante Booker would

(10:18):
have been cut, right because Philip Lindsay is there, Royce
Freeman's running great. I just the deal de'angel and Henderson's
a better running back than DeVante Booker. And Booker's just
been a dud. And now we's starting. Now I've got
my shares of Booker because NFL teams do stupid things.
There was a chance he was going to start, and
it looks like he's starting. So I don't know what
to tell you, like, obviously, don't drop Royce Freeman. Where

(10:40):
are you taking him? Tags he's still a fifth sixth
round pick. Yeah, he's falling for sure. I mean I
tweeted this on the twenty fourth, so it was four
days ago, and it was before this all this even happened.
I said, if the Broncos continue to strut DeVante Booker out,
there is the starter, quit on their competency. Booker should
be closer to getting cut than he is starting. I
tweeted that four days ago, so that he's starting quit

(11:01):
on their competency. That's basically what it comes down to.
Royce Freeman is going to end up having value, but
if you draft him in the fifth round, you're going
to be disappointed because he's obviously stuck in some sort
of time share. I don't like it, kind of like
a Joe Mixon last year. It's so ugly man, and
it's like, like I said, they like Philip Lindsay. He's
like he's earned a role. He played with some first
team snaps this past week in the third preseason game,
So I think it is somewhat close to Joe Mixon. Obviously,

(11:23):
we know who the most talented one is, but he's
not on the field. So if he's not starting over
Devontae Booker, I can't spend a fifth round pick. If
you get down into that, you know that Ronald Jones
area where it's like, you know, they're not starting the season,
but eventually they'll get there. I'm okay with that. I
think Freeman will eventually get there too. I think it
is interesting that Ryan o'hallan from the Denver Post had
a little blurb where he thinks Henderson is not going

(11:45):
to make the final cuts and he's already getting nibbles,
which should tell you something. If a guy it isn't
cut yets already getting nibbles or drawing interest from other team. Yep,
you're exactly right, man. This is just crazy. I'm still
taking Freeman in the early six. I think it's it's
gonna be quick. I don't think it's like a matter
of time like Ronald Jones. I think this is going
to happen quick, maybe even by week two, maybe even

(12:06):
sooner than that. He's just he's too good. I can't
I can't see it going in another way. That doesn't
mean it won't happen, but it just blows my mind, guys,
another running back, and this is some interesting news. Mike
McCarthy thinks Jamal Williams is going to have a big season.
Is this just coach big tags? I don't know if
his coach speak. I mean he's been he said earlier
this offseason that it's gonna be a three headed monster.

(12:26):
Now he's saying that Jamal Williams is going to have
like a monster year. And I think people gave up
on Jamal Williams a little bit too soon. Playing alongside
Brett Hunley, it's not going to do you any favors.
The offensive line was dealing with some injuries down the
stretch as well. He was a workhorse. He was a
top twelve running back over the last half of the season.
He was top ten from week ten on. From Week
ten through week seventeen, he was a top ten running back.
So I mean, I do believe that you want the

(12:47):
running back attached to Aaron Rodgers offense. I mean, we
saw Eddie Lacey finishes the top six running back multiple times,
and obviously we saw what Eddie looked like outside of
the Green Bay offense. So I think Jamal Williams could
turn out to be a fantastic pick. The best part
about it is, though, Bobby, you could actually land both
Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones and your fantasy team while
not spending a top six pick on either of them.
That's basically what it comes down to. I just don't

(13:08):
think either is going to be a workhorse unless injuries happen,
and if that guy's not if that's not happening, sure
they'll be okay. But I don't think they're really going
to outperform their ADP. That's my problem with Williams. My
concern with both of them is and it's kind of
something that I've been doing in all these cases. Let's say,
you know, I mean it's more obvious with Carlos Heidendick Chubb,
although you know hides growing on me. But I would

(13:28):
say the same for you know, anytime the early down
role is getting chopped up by two guys or has
that chance, I'm maybe looking for the guy with the
more certain role in green base case, maybe Tie Montgomery
a few rounds later at least, I know, maybe a
solid PPR floor or those other two. Look, I'm glad
that Mike McCarthy thinks Jamal Williams is looking good, but

(13:51):
that's flying right up until a minute. Aaron Jones is
looking good, right, and it all it takes is one series.
You know, the hot hand theory will prevail. And that's
always my concern when you're chopping up that early down
role between two guys. Maybe one guy gets a start,
that doesn't mean he'll get the finish, and sometimes that
third guy, the satellite guy, has the more certain role. Yeah,
you're definitely right. Tags Why don't we talk about Alshon

(14:13):
Jeffrey and Carson Wentz who we're still not playing. Yeah, no,
that's that's a worrisome thing, right. Some people are saying
that Carson Wentz they're expecting him not to play until
week three, So I mean this is concerning which could
mean week six or could mean the entire season. Like
Andrew Locke, who knows well it's an ac Also, I'm
not going to think that like Andrew, lux was a
little different being the shoulder. But like Alshon, Jeffrey is
another one who they're saying that might not start the

(14:35):
season on the pup, but that doesn't mean he's not
going to miss a couple of games that they can
get him back before week six. I'm worried about Carson Wentz.
Like Alshon Jeffrey, he'll come back at some point whatever.
But I'm worried about Carson Wentz because his injury wasn't
too long after Deshaun Watson's, and Deshaun Watson has been playing.
He's been there throughout the entire training camp. He's been fine.
Everybody said he looks great. To know that Carson Wentz

(14:55):
still hasn't been cleared for contact is worrisome to me.
And I don't know if it comes just a few
days before the season. So I think that Eagles fans,
I think fantasy fans should breeze for Carson Wentz to
miss week one, if not week two, from what I'm hearing,
And it's worrisome. I mean, all Joan Jeffrey has dropped
on the draft board where it's like, you know he's
going in that wide receiver thirty range. If you want
to pull the trigger, you know the risk involved with him,

(15:17):
you know what the potential is. So but Wentz is
the one who is like, if you don't have a
quarterback for the first couple of weeks, I mean, it's
argue you can argue that he shouldn't even be drafted.
I don't, Yeah, I mean I have Carson Wentz extremely low,
like extraordinarily low that when people see it, I get
all kinds of tweets about it. I'm not going to
change my rankings because of what people think. I wouldn't
draft Carson Wentz. Even when he comes back the touchdown, right,

(15:39):
it's going to be regressed so far. Who knows if
he'll be the same after the surgery. We've seen this
happen time and again where these quarterbacks come back from
a big surgery like this and they're just not the
same player. Whatever. It is, something mental going on. I
don't want Carson Wentz. But if you have Carson Wentz,
who are you picking up Bob in the first two
or three weeks to cover him? I think, you know,

(15:59):
that's a lot of a lot of doing that a
lot with running backs as well, you know, with all
the talk of the guys getting off the slow starts.
So it's kind of a nice, kind of a nice
way to do it. Look, I'm pretty comfortable. Maybe I
reach a little bit for Wentz and hope that he
rounds into form and I draft him. Maybe it is
ADP and then I come back around and I'll grab
you know, the Philip Rivers or the Matt Ryan or

(16:20):
the you know, the guy the ideally Matthew Stafford. And
you know, the drafts were in the dusty drafts. You know,
guys are waiting on quarterbacks, So double digits for Stafford
is not like a totally unusual thing. And maybe you
reach around and you don't feel that bad, But either
of those guys, I would do the same. You know,
if I think Luck is going to turn back into
Andrew Luck, which I'm not completely sold on by the way,

(16:41):
you know, but if you really want them, you draft
him at his ADP and secure the services that I
would do the same with Wentz. And I've seen the
price has dropped crazy, and it's almost to the point
where I'm you know, I'm such a value addict that
I see I see him down to you know, way
way outside where he had been going, and it's almost
like I can't resist, And but you can. There are

(17:02):
so many quarterbacks you can target that are you know,
what I would call the steady eddies, the guy you
know is going to be on the field at some point.
You know, if you wait forever, I mean, you know,
we all know Blake Bortles finishes the last three years.
I mean, you know, no worse than thirteen. I mean
there's guys you can get if you're waiting till the
very end and have some hope that they can carry

(17:22):
you through. Look, Odell Beckham is going to be the
best thing since sliced bread. Sterling Shepherd is solid. Evan
Ingram's a great tight end. Sa Quon Barkley is going
to catch a ton of passes at some point. The
guy who's getting them all the ball is going to
have some reasonably productive games if all those guys are
all in our top tens, right, So, yes, So you
know waiting on these guys is not is not. Waiting

(17:43):
on quarterback is not an issue for me. Agree. Okay, guys,
we're gonna get into our players to avoid here in
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to avoid, and I'm not really sure there is anyone
to exactly avoid. In round one, there are two players
that I deafly won't be getting because I have them
behind another five guys who are going after them. It's
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt. I've given my reasons for
them earlier. Bob, how do you feel about Kimara and

(19:09):
Kareem Hunt? Do you want them where they're going? I'm
kind of with you, especially on Hunt looking one of
the things we should I should stipulate at least I'm
in a lot of drafts right, like close to one
hundred drafts, including best Balls, and so I have the
luxury of diversifying a little bit. So if I face
a decision where I'm deciding between a Kimara, maybe a
Segue Barkley or whoever, I have the luxury of diversifying

(19:32):
a little bit. So I do have some shares of Kamara.
If I'm playing in one league, I want to try
to limit potential downside, right, And so you look at
Kamara and you see that efficiency last year. Look, I
think his workload will increase a little bit early. I
think when mark Ingram's back, it's going to go back
to the same thing. In fact, maybe they have reason,
you know, assuming they think Ingram isn't going to be
around beyond this year to go all Mike Tomlin on

(19:54):
him and run the wheels off him, and so, you know,
those things are concerns. Look, somehow America can repeat that
to duplicate the efficiency from last year, that would be grand.
I think betting on it with that kind of draft
capital seems like a bit of a risk, right, So
there are maybe other guys I'm looking at. They're more solid,
And I kind of feel the same about Cream Hunt
as you do. And one of the things that has

(20:15):
me even more worried is watching the Chicago Bears' second
team offense literally eat that starting defense alive. How much
there is Kansas City gonna be playing from behind, which
obviously plays into the hands of the narrative that, wow,
this is going to be a passing team. They made
the change to Patrick Mahomes, they bring in another big target, uh,

(20:35):
you know, and Hunt can you know, contribute as a receiver.
I just worry if the game script's going to work
his way. And then there's the looming specter of Spencer
wear which is easily forgotten, but he was the guy
last year until he got hurt and now he's back.
So those are all reasonable concerns. I think if you're
for both of those guys, text, how do you feel
about Kamara. I'm getting so much heat on Twitter for

(20:56):
saying I don't have Kimara in my first round. I
think that's I think that it's a bold move to
put him out of the first round. I do believe
that he belongs in the first round. My pig, actually
you guysn't even talk about, is DeAndre Hopkins. I don't
think that. I think people regret taking him over Julio Jones,
Odell Beckham, and Michael Thomas like those are Those are
receivers that I just feel like they're going to offer
you a little bit more consistency. And granted DeAndre Hopkins

(21:18):
the target totals that he's been seeing, it's hard to
find those. But at the same time, we know there's
gonna be some regression. DeAndre Hopkins finishes the number one
wide receiver last year, sure, but if you look at
the seasons before twenty seventeen, his numbers were not great.
They were not like over the top. Considering how good
Deshaun Watson was, they should have been better. That's basically
what I'm saying in terms of his target share. So

(21:38):
it's will Fuller there with Kiki Qt coming into the offense,
with Bruce Ellington actually looking really good this preseason, actually
showing rapport with Deshaun Watson. I just feel like DeAndre
Hopkins his targets are going to come down a little bit.
And I'm not saying he's be a bad player. I'm
not gonna see your hate having him on your team.
I'm just saying you're probably gonna regret taking him over
the O these other elite wide receivers. I agree. I've
got DeAndre Hopkins is my number six wide receiver. A

(22:01):
lot of this goes to Watson. You know how I
feel about Watson. We're going to talk about him later,
so I won't spoil it. Bob, how do you feel
about DeAndre Hopkins? And is there anybody else in the
first round that you just don't like it? They're ADP.
I'm okay with everyone you know that's in the first round.
Going in the first round. There are guys that I
would rather not take, or I'm not as eager to take.
I'm looking more for a running back in the first round.
Maybe that forces me to take Kamara. Maybe when I

(22:23):
would prefer to take somebody else, and I still think
he's a first round pick. But I think your concerns
are legitimate worries. But I mean, look, we know the
turnover rate in the top ten for running backs. You
know it's it's it's a it's a big deal, and
it's a it's a similar for a wide receiver, So
it's a high turnover rate either way. There there are
receivers I feel more comfortable drafting, and I prefer to

(22:45):
draft later. I'm not avoiding Hopkins if it's like really
late in the first round and I see one of
the running backs I want on the turnaround, but it
would have to be late in the first round to
draft for me to draft any of them not named
Antonio Brown. And really I'm not that I don't have
as many shares of as I have in past seasons
because if I'm drafting in that top five or six,
I'm just more comfortable with the running backs on sea.
So what running back are you taking at number five?

(23:08):
I'll go ahead and take Barkley. Okay, it's Barkley Kimara
is you know the five six? Right? So I'll take
I'll generally take either of them ahead of the wide
receiver this year. Yeah, yeah for me. I mean I've
come down on Barkley a little bit because of the
hammy and everything. The schedule coming up front is is
a lot more difficult now He's an absolute workhorse. But
Melvin Gordon has just been so safe week to week

(23:29):
to week. Leonard Fournette, I think he's a league winner
if he stays healthy all sixteen games. So I've got
those two ahead. And it's not that I don't like
Alvin Kamara. It's not that I don't like Kareem Hunt.
I would just rather have, you know, Gordon and Fournette
who are going after them. Gordon's going number eleven right now,
and Kimara's going number six. Kareem Hunt's going number nine.
And when I say ADP, that's average draft position. And

(23:50):
same with Hopkins. He's ten, and I've got Beckham number
twelve and Julio Jones fourteen both ahead of him. So
you know, it's not that I don't like Hopkins. I'd
love to get him, but he's not gonna fall him
because I'm taking those guys first. One of the things
that I've been looking at a little more closely is
something that one of my serious co hosts, Jeff Manz,
talks about a lot in terms of his DFS lineups,

(24:10):
but it kind of pays. It kind of works as well.
You know, he'll set his you know, cash game lineups
early in the week on Tuesday, then he spends the
whole week, you know, looking at the potential downside of
each guy and trying to eliminate all the downside. I
think that's a good way to approach, at least the
first round of your draft is look, I want this,
you know, I mean, there's pitfalls with everybody, but you'd

(24:32):
look at all the potential downside for these people and
you try and eliminate those guys. And I think for
fantasy purposes. I mentioned it before, but I'm stressing opportunities.
So that's the thing for me with Barkley, not just
you know, the draft capital invested in him, but also
you look at what past Hermer was doing last year
with Dalvin Cook in Minnesota as the coordinator, is the

(24:53):
play caller there the usage that we saw, I mean,
I think, you know, I think we were all maybe
a little surprised that, I mean not that Cook came
in and was doing well, but at the heavy usage,
and I think Barkley can expect the same kind of thing.
So opportunities are what I'm trying to draft here, and
I think the receivers it's maybe a little more ball
a top now tags As we're moving into the second round,
I see a few names that are just going way

(25:15):
too high in my opinion. Are there several names like
that for you or does everyone look about right? Um?
You know, when you get the first two rounds are
pretty difficult sometimes to find guys that you know you're
you would actually regret because those are usually the ones
that it's like we can guarantee workloads for. And so
the reason that the name that I put down in
this range actually people probably be shocked listening as DeVonta Freeman.
You know, I started work on the primer actually yesterday,

(25:37):
so it's pretty exciting. This is like the start of
the fantasy season for me. So I started work on
that and DeVonta Freeman. Did you know that he totaled
more than twelve carries just two times after Week four
last year? Yes? Yeah, they wanted to get Coleman involved.
That's scary. And one of those games was when Tevin
Coleman was out scary man. Yeah, I just taking a
running back in the second round. That's getting that's involved

(25:59):
that much in its time share. And even if you
go to the playoff game against the Eagles, they split
ten ten Well, I mean Kimara was even worse. So like,
what's your problem with Why don't you have a problem
with Kimara? Well, he's not catching as many passes Kimara Okay, Yeah,
Like that's the thing is Kimara is like a wide receiver,
like when you think about Alvin Kamara don't work. Yes,
you're not getting that many carries, but he legitimately I
think there was only eight wide receivers last year who
caught more passes than he did. So you're getting essentially

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a wide receiver and running back in one DeVonta Freeman
wasn't used in the passing game a whole lot last
year and that's why you saw him finish outside the
top ten running backs again drafting him there, I understand
people have seen it before with him and like he's
got a track record of production. But adding Calvin Ridley
to that offense, Julio Jones getting positive aggression in the touchdowns,
Tevin Coleman being a free agent at the end of
the year. I can I see this too continue being

(26:43):
a time share, and I find myself wanting to draft
Joe Mixon over DeVonta Freeman. A really good offensive line
for the Falcons. But that's about as good as get
I agree in there. You know, the series of concussions,
the multiple concussions, is a concern for me. You know. Look,
this is something where we should all be paying attention to.
And look, it's hard for me to draft you either

(27:04):
enthusiastically draft either Freeman or Coleman right because they are splitting.
And so if I'm in that range, you know, I'm
I'm just as happy waiting a few picks. And I'm
all about Jordan Howard right there. Again opportunities, and you know,
we've heard what Matt Nagy said about him being a
three down back, you know, and I'm sure they'll get
Tree Cohen in there. But I think Howard's a guy

(27:24):
that maybe people are overlooking. And you mentioned the other
thing that that's growing on me is that whole idea
of drafting a wide receiver who's also going to get
a hundred plus carries, and that's guy's named Christian McCaffrey.
So there are guys in that range I'm a little
more comfortable with right now Dalvin Cook if he falls down,
even coming off the ACL and with a change of coordinator.
I liked what I saw from him last year, and

(27:45):
you know, we'll see how it pans out. Maybe you
don't get everything you're gonna get. Look, we need to
win the early games, but it's down the stretch when
I want these guys contributing the most. So there are
ways to draft where I can have solid starters early
if I'm worried about Dalvin Cook. But I'm not really
worried about him. Yeah, so DeVante Freeman's kind of low
on my list. I'll get to another couple names here
in a second, But first, Bob, who do you have
in mind in this round that's just a little bit

(28:07):
too high for you? T Y Hilton is probably a
guy who's baby at the bottom end of that range
that you know. Look, he's not a ten footpoll player
for me, meaning I wouldn't touch him with yours because
I might touch him with yours, but my ten footpoll
is poking him. He's a little boom bust anyway, Look,
It's been really good production with Andrew Luck. I'm not
denying that. I'm just still not sure that Andrew Luck

(28:28):
is Andrew Luck. And so I think in this range,
he's the guy that makes me the most nervous. Yeah,
I mean, I'm definitely worried about t Y Hilton as well.
I think there's a pretty big drop off once you
get past you know, Baldwin, t Y Hilton's Define Diggs
and Larry Fitzgerald. So I'm okay with taking Hilton if
he falls far enough, but right now is ADPs thirty.

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I'm not doing that because Doug Baldwin is still gonna
be on the board. Right If Doug Baldwin is still
on the board, Like, that's the thing is, Like, there's
been some drafts. I've been getting a lot of screenshots
on Twitter, and I'm sorry, guys if I have not
rated your draft. I cannot rate drafts. Believe me, I
can't do it. The best thing to do is import
him into into the Draft Wizard and you're able to
see the grade that experts would give you. You You all
get a CE ahead and put him on my Twitter

(29:09):
and I would give you I would get C plus
C minus I'm sure, and most of my drafts so,
but no, Doug Baldwin has been falling into the fourth
round and a lot of them that I've seen, and
that's just madness. If you can get Doug Baldwin in
the fourth round, I would expect you to go running
back heavy in your draft in the first couple rounds
because I'm okay with Doug Baldman is my wide receiver one.
He's like the last one though, and I would take
him over t Why Hilton every single day of the week.

(29:31):
Oh yeah, definitely. I've got Doug Baldwin up there ahead
of Mike Evans, who, like we said, he's going twenty
fifth overall wide receiver nine. Now I want to take
him over like you know, Jordan Howard, Joe Mixon, if
if one of those guys are there, even Freeman, if
Freeman was to fall, And I agree tags Freeman is
someone that people are a little bit too high and
in my opinion, and that's because Joe Mixon is going
to be a three down workhorse. DeVante Freeman is not that. Yeah,

(29:53):
he was great two years ago, he was pretty good
last year, but he's trending backward and I think Coleman's
going to continue to be more more involved. I'm just
not excited about him at seventeenth overall, especially when he's
still got Davanta Adams, Keenan Allen, AJ Green, Rob Gronkowski
all on the board. If I had to pick between
those guys at this point, I'm probably going Keenan Allen

(30:13):
just because of how dynamite he was at the end
of the year. Maybe Davante Adams because of the touchdowns,
but definitely not going three minute seventeen. The other guy
in this range that I'm not taking is Dalvin Cook.
I've got Dalvin Cook at number nineteen overall. He's going
thirteenth overall. Hater, Are you a Dalvin Cook guy? You
know I was a big Dalvin Cook guy. I had
Dalvin Cook number nine overall about four weeks ago, and

(30:37):
then I just can't get over the fact that, yeah,
he was a workhorse, but that's because Latavius Murray was
hurt those first four weeks of the season. He was
recovering from his ankle, and I could see him returning
to being a workhorse. I just feel like it's too
much risk there at the one two turn. I'm a
little concerned about the change of coordinator, not so concerned
about the knee. Turns out the Vikings know a little
bit about the recoveries from ACL, said Adrian Peterson of

(30:59):
twenty welve or whatever. So uh, and it's the same
training crew, by the way, Eric Sugarman has been doing
a great job there for many years. Say, and so
the knee is not a huge concern for me. The
fact that he's already running and he's not wearing a
sleeve and all that good news. He looks quick too,
he really does. He looks sharp. I'm just worried about
the work living right and that. I mean, that's legitimate,

(31:20):
and I'm I am maybe a little concerned that early
on we see more Lettavius Murray, But I think in
the end the talent wins out. You know, you're gonna
hear me say, if you listen to me on serious
or or catch them out of their pods, you're gonna
hear me say a lot. You know, September is the
new August, and there's gonna be a lot of volatility anyhow,
And it's something we hit We're gonna and this is
not getting better going forward. People, you know, as we

(31:43):
see more teams not using the full dress rehearsal Week
three preseason games. Uh, you know, they're just everyone's gonna
be bubble wrapped until September and then they're gonna sort
things out in by October, we're gonna know what offenses
actually are. And I think we may get a little
of that with you know, the Dalvin Cook Lottavius Murray,
but I think in the end the talable went out.
All right, guys, we're gonna move on over to the
third round here in just a second. But first I

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to the third round, and Bob, we're gonna let you
go first here on this one for a couple of
players that you're wanting to avoid at their adp oh,
you know, looking at the current you know, half point
PPR on Fantasy Pros, Lashaw McCoy leaps out right. I mean,
I guess it's at the conundrum of value is hard
to overlook, and all things be equal, we see Lashawn

(34:12):
McCoy and I'm drafting opportunities. I don't know if anyone's
gonna get more than him. I don't know if anyone
will do less with them. You know, it's a concern.
You've lost three offensive linemen, you know, Corty Glenn, Eric Wood,
Richie Incognito gone from that offensive line. You don't have.
You know, every year we get guests from around the
NFL for the Serious Show, and every time we talk
to Mike Rodack of ESPN, I know what he's gonna say.

(34:34):
He's gonna tell me that Buffalo has the worst receiving
corps in the NFL, hands down. And he's not wrong.
So you have, like you know, you have a rookie,
either a rookie or a certainly an unproven starter at quarterback,
no matter who it is. I just think this is
one that I'm wanting to avoid, right, Yeah, I'm fine
with that one as well. I mean, I wouldn't mind

(34:55):
get Lesha McCoy if I'm really in a need for
a running back, because he's gonna get the opportunities. I
think he's pretty safe. I don't think the legal stuff
is going to happen this year at least. Yeah, I
think that's I think that's down the road. Thing as
we've seen in recent years how these things play out.
And look, the commissioner can come in and you know,
put the slam the hammer down at any time. But
I don't think that's going to happen. But look, if

(35:16):
I'm waiting that long, maybe I'd work a little bit
of wide receiver. Maybe I hope Alex Collins slipped into
the next round, or maybe i'd take Alex Collins at
that point, just someone I'm more confident in in terms of,
you know, the supporting cast and what's going on around him.
I just don't. I don't have a great deal confidence
in Buffalo in general. I would much rather have Jack McKinnon.
I'd rather wait and take Marshawn Land Carlos Hide, I agree,

(35:37):
I'm accoy Now. The guy for me is Adam Feelin.
Actually there's two of them in this round, Adam Feelin
and Derrick Henry. Adam Feeland does not have Pat Schremer anymore,
who loves the slot. Adam feelind was mediocre before Pat Schremer.
I think he's going to be mediocre after Pat Schremer.
Kyle Rudolph's there, and Kirk Cousins loves to throw it
to the tight ends to find Diggs is becoming a star,
Dalvin Cook is back. I just not interested in that

(36:00):
feeling at thirty two. I've actually got him outside my
top twenty wide receivers right now. And then Derrick Henry
Dean Lewis is there. I think it's going to be
a very similar season for Derrick Henry, maybe a little
bit more, but even so, like he's going thirty fifth
overall and last year, what was he being drafted eightieth?
Same situation, right tags, Yeah, it's pretty similar. I mean
it's a different offense and we don't really know how
it's gonna work in year one. The thing is is

(36:22):
Derrick Henry. He's the one who I had a my
list as well, him and Theeland. I had a Thelan
as a backup one in case you guys used Henry.
So you and I are in the same page here.
Derrick Henry is going to be extremely game script proof,
like a game script dependent, and if the Titans are
losing a game, Derrick Henry is going to let you
down in fantasy football, and that's not really what you
wanted a third round pick. If you're taking a running
back there, you should have a running back who's gonna

(36:42):
be on the field for all three downs, And it
really doesn't matter the script that you have. That's why
seeing him drafted over Lamar Miller is kind of puzzling
to me. So yeah, I definitely think people will regret
drafting Derrick Henry in the third round when you can
get Lamar Miller over a full round later. Yeah, and
Lamar Miller is going to be a work of course.
They have no other, no one else to run the ball, right,
So I think, you know, the guy that you mentioned

(37:04):
is guy that I have so much of this year
that I mean, Marshawn Lynch. I think it's easy to
forget what he did down the stretch last year, you know,
the final five games of the season. It seemed like
more of a effort to preserve him for his early
season kind of you know, low production, but down the
stretch when they were really using him. Then you see that,
you know, sixty yard sideline sprint in the preseason opener.

(37:26):
And there are other guys I like later as well.
I think you know, some of those guys that will
cover you early, you know, if we're talking about like
Peyton Barb or Chris Carson, that maybe can carry you
for a month, maybe longer if you get lucky. But yeah,
it's just not a lot of interest in overspending on
a guy like Henry that any game it could be
the Dion Lewis Show. They paid him. And remember everyone
there is from New England, right, Mike Bravel played in

(37:48):
New England, the GM John Robinson from New England. I
think they might take a New England ask backfield approach,
so we have another Gordian knot to untie every week
as we try to set our line ups. Bab, I
wanted to ask you really quick, Marshawn Lynch is my
number one, like must have guy with where he's going
in the drafts? Is he your guy? Is there somebody
else that you just gotta have? He's my guy? And look,

(38:11):
I'll tell you that my backup Marshawn Lynch has kind
of got me a little worried. It's Isaiah Crowell. Oh no, oh, no,
it had been right, So a little concerned that I'm
seeing so all of a sudden balal pal goes from
a guy this coaching staff apparently had no faith in
last year to a guy that they have all the
faith in the world and this year so far an
exhibition play. We'll see if that's how it plays out.

(38:33):
But the price is still not, you know, crazy bad
for Crowell. It's not where I was getting him when
I was really heavily invested. You know, ninth tenth round
was not unusually get him in best Balls over about
a month ago. But Lynch is that guy for me,
and his ADP has been rising crazy too. I think
I've liked every single thing you've said on the show
until you said Crowell's name. And I don't know now,

(38:53):
I don't know what to think about it. I'm just kidding. Hey,
you know, I think the thing that people overlook about
Crowell is is, you know, he can catch the ball.
He's not like a one dimensional guy. He's been targeted
over the last four years every bit as much. I
think he has more targets than bilal Powl over the
last four years. So and maybe this is part of it,
is I was all in on billau Powell last year,

(39:16):
you know, at his price, thinking wow, here's a guy
that's in nothing. So me too, Maybe I'm confused by
all that tangs. You have a round three guy or two,
and then we'll move on you and we can go
to we can go to round four. You once you
start us with round four. Well, the round four is
obvious right now. It's Ryce Freeman. You don't draft him
in round four. His current ADP sits in round four.

(39:37):
Don't do it. As much as we want to believe
in the talent, and I do, his coach obviously doesn't
quite yet. And what's crazy about this is DeVante Booker
hasn't done anything in the preseason yet. Royce Freeman's gone
out there and scored every single game. So there's legitimately
nothing that Freeman could have done to win that job.
Don't waste to pick on him in the fourth round.
But another one obviously, I know Bobby's going to talk
about him as Deshaun Watson, like, don't don't steal my

(39:58):
thunder seeing his ADP and fourth round, I don't even
need to talk about it. Just to tell you guys
it's bad. I've told you guys on the show multiple times.
The only quarterbacks that you should be even considering before
the seventh round are Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. YEP,
I agree. What do you think, Bob? I think if
Chris Hogan is going in that range. I'm wondering why
for a guy with a career best forty one catches

(40:22):
forty one? Oh man, look seven eleven. He's always open,
he's playing with Tom Brady, there's no Julian Edelman. All
these things seem to work in his favor. And look,
I get it, he does. He does have the you know,
the attraction that in New England if you're if you're
going to be you know, a productive member that passing attack.

(40:43):
Tom Brady has to trust you, and he seems to
have that trust. I just don't know that Hogan's delivered
on it. And maybe the opportunities will increase, but I
just can't justify spending that kind of pick on him.
If I want a guy to pick a guy who
doesn't have, you know, a body of work to stand on,
I rather take Corey Davis at that point. Oh wow,
I like that. I've got Corey Davis in my top

(41:04):
twenty right now too. I think he's going to get
a huge workload. And I like Chris Hogan, but his
ADPs got a little too high for me. Now, tax
I know you love Chris Hogan. At what point will
you stop picking him. I'm picking him at the end
of the fourth round, man, and of the fourth Okay,
I'm on board with Chris Hogan. So Bob, I would
have agreed with you on this one until I start
thinking about it logically, and like, you go back to
last year, right in the New England offense is a

(41:25):
lot different than it was in Chris Hogan's first year there.
Obviously Edelman was on the field, there were things that
were different, right, And you go to twenty seventeen with
Brandon Cooks alongside of him, and you know, he through
the first eight games, which is essentially all he had
a chance to play before he got hurt, he was
the number seven Fantasy wide receiver. He had received more
red zone targets than Brandon Cooks. But Brandon Cooks was

(41:46):
still producing as well because Cooks I think at that
time when he was hurt, I think Cooks was the
number five fantasy receiver, so there was room for both
of them to produce. But when you look at this
entire roster, it's like, are we gonna ding and dunk
the entire way down the field? Is that what the
Patriots are really going to do? I don't think so.
I mean, you'd have to change the offense entirely. Now,
they've always historically targeted the running back position heavily. But

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Chris Hogan is the only one who has experienced in
this offense. He's obviously shown chemistry with Tom Brady, especially
in the red zone. So when you have Tom Brady's
number one option outside of Rob Gronkowski and the red zone,
I mean, I think if he plays all sixteen games,
that is we're looking at least eight touchdowns, we're going
to see him break one hundred targets, and that to
me is at worst a wide receiver too. But would

(42:28):
you rather have him than liked Marius Thomas. Oh, I
would take him over Larry Fitzgerald. I told you I
lost all faith in the Broncos coaching staff to do
it's right. I will agree I have no faith into
Mary's Thomas or and very little the Broncos. That's said,
I mean, I kind of agree with you that you
think about the chemists, agree with Brady, but I think
you're overlooking the most trusted target in the red zone

(42:49):
not named Bronk and as James White, a guy that
is being widely overlooked in drafts. Oh yeah, he's one
of my favorite guys to have on the bench. Or
we can just sign Gronkoup for twenty touchdowns. Ronk is
like such a great pick if you if you could
hit on running backs later in your draft, Like, Gronk
is an awesome pick, but you sold me on him
so hard yesterday, Tags, I did a best Balls draft
and I took Gronk at sixteen. I felt so good

(43:10):
about it. So and by the way, Hogan's forty one
catch season came with Buffalo. He hasn't broken four he's
been in New England. Wow. Man, Okay, I've got two
names here. One of them, as Tags mentioned, is Deshaun Watson.
Here's the reason why. Okay, you take his nine point
six percent touchdown right, and you regress that back to
five point five percent. But Bobby, he's the best of
all time. He's the best of all time, dude. Okay.

(43:34):
You know everyone's like, well, why are you regressing it?
Like you can just regress anyone's stats. Then you're regressing
it because the historical average for the greatest quarterbacks Tom
Brady five point five, Kurt Warrener five point one, John
Elway five point three, all these guys. You think Deshaun
Watson is going to break that trend. He's not Aaron Rodgers. Okay,
I'm sorry, he's not Aaron Rodgers. Gonna get six point out.

(43:54):
Even six point zero would have shaved like six touchdowns
off his eighteen touchdown in five games last season. If
you do that, if you bring him back to five
point five, Deshaun Watson would have been the QB seven
in that time. He's coming off a major surgery, He's
got the worst offensive line in football. He is super scary,
super scary. I don't have him as a top six quarterback.

(44:17):
Please do not draft him in the third or fourth round. People, Bob,
everybody knows my take on this. Are you in sync
with us here on this one? I believe I would
be in sync with you there on this one. Good
I would rather have Philip Rivers, a guy who finishes
annually in the top ten at the price he goes
all day long. The other guy is Tom Brady and

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Tags has a boom bust and everything in between. Article
series that is it's the best series that we have
besides your weekly primer that you do. Tags. It's the
best one we have on our site, so check it out,
boom bust and everything in between. But it tells us
that Tom Brady was only a quarterback one fifty percent
at the time. Tags asked me this question, do you
feel like you could pick up a streamer from the

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waiver wire every week and more than fifty percent of
the time get a quarterback one? Yes, yes you can.
Tom Brady is not better than the top streamer every
week and you're drafting him the fourth round if you're
drafting anyone besides Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson as far
as I'm maybe Drew Brees as far as I'm concerned
to stream. On top of that, Tom Brady lost two
starting tackles this offseason. He also lost his first round pick,

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Isaiah win starting guard, lost him in the preseason, he
lost him for the season. So yeah, Tom Brady, man,
I mean, he's someone that I'm definitely staying away from
this year. Well, first of all, you know, in addition
to supporting fellow old people, no, I'm kind of you.
My issue with Brady has been the late season fades.

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New England has that tendency to get a little more
conservative late in the year, and and he just the
fantasy points aren't there down the stretch and usually in
fantasy playoffs. He is not a winning quarterback. Yep, poor fantasy. Okay, guys,
let's move on into round five, and we were kind
of running out of time, so we're gonna move quite
a bit faster here. Bob, why don't you give us

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one or two names and then Tags will do the
same with you. Vin Ingram kind of in that range. Look,
he is a very good player, a superior talent at
the position. Obviously we saw that last year because why opportunities.
Where did those opportunities come from? They came from no
Odell Beckham. They came from a slew of injuries to
other receivers, including Sterling Shepard who was playing through an

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ankle injury. I think this year, with a full compliment
of weapons, were kind of drafting Ingram as to be
last year's Ingram. And I think the goal is drafting
this year's best team, not last year's best team. I'm
with you on Evan Ingram. For sure. He's not gonna
get the targets. He dropped more passes than anyone else
in football. Jimmy Graham, same thing. Tags. I know you
are down on Jimmy Graham. He's going fifty first overall.

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How do you feel about that? Ye know, I'm not
with that kind of thing. Is people can tell me
that Jimmy Graham is gonna score touchdowns with Aaron Rodgers,
that's fine, guys, if he stays healthy. You are essentially
paying for ten touchdowns, is what you're doing when you
draft Jimmy Graham there, because he's not going to wrack
up the yardage like with Gronk. People are like, well,
if drunk scores ten touchdowns, Gronk is gonna have over
a thousand yards. Jimmy Graham might have like six hundred yards.
I was gonna say over under five fifty on Jimmy Graham.

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I don't know which side I'm taking that. That's why.
And he's going to be boom or bust if he
doesn't score a touchdown, he's gonna let you down, which
means he's essentially a very very strong streamer with some
upside to him. I don't see him getting eight targets
a game where Rob Gronkowski's gonna fall into that category.
So I am definitely on board with that. I'm okay
with getting Graham if it is like the seventh or
eighth tight enough the board, so you have some room

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for equity in there, but drafting him there, you're doing
it at his ceiling. You can get guys in the
eighth or ninth round, like you know, Trey Burton, like
Jordan Reid, who are going to probably deliver better numbers
for you. So and it just quickly, how do we
feel about drafting Alson Jeffrey a guy currently on pup
who may open the season on in this same range?
You know, look, I'm I mean, I kind of like

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Jeffrey if he's really fully healthy, but that doesn't happen
that often. I just I'm having a hard time drafting
him anymore. And I'm finding it harder to rationalize why
his price is so high. Still. I forgot he was
still going into top thirty wide receivers. I've got him
wide receiver for forty five tags. No, seriously, he was
the one on my sheet, Graham and al Shan. I
always had. I had two guys for most of the rounds,

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just in case I had to give another one. But Alshan.
By the way, guys, here's a list of some players
who had more yardage than Alshon Jeffrey last year, Richard Matthews,
Jermaine Curse, Dez Bryant who currently doesn't have a job,
Devin Funchius, Kenny Still's, Cooper Cup. These guys all had
more yardage than al Sshan Jeffrey last year. His nine
touchdowns saved him. His forty seven point five percent catch
rate is not very good. He's gonna miss six weeks.

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If we think that Carson Wentz is going to regress
in the touchdown department, which like looking at his percentage
in historically, he's going to That would trickle down to
Alshon Jeffrey. He's absolutely someone that you should not draft
in the fifth if he follows again. You know the
risk reward there. Alshan has shown that he could finish
the top twenty receiver before, but don't pay for it. Yep,
definitely not again. With the quarterbacks, I'm not taking Cam

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Newton here, even Russell Wilson at forty ninth over all,
I'm not doing that. I'll take him if he falls
to the seventh, maybe late six, depending on, you know
how the rest of my team looks. The only other
guy in this range that I've got his Dion Lewis again,
the time share, he's going running back twenty five. He's
also not very durable. I don't think there's a ton
of upside. Yeah, he was an RB one last year,
but he's playing with Derrick Henry now, so I'm just

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not really interesting the Titans backfield. You have to understand
that it's going to be very game script dependent. And
if the Titans are gonna be playing a team like
the Patriots, I'm playing Dion Lewis. If they're playing a
team like the Colts, I'm playing Derrick Henry. So it's like,
you know, you like this is a better backfield targeted
in DFS. All right, let's keep moving on and I'll
start us off this round. It is carry On Johnson.
I know you don't feel that great about me saying this, tags,

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but I'm not drafting Kerry On Johnson. This is from
Graham Barfield, who's he's one of my favorite follows on
Twitter for fantasy football. He broke down the backfield first
team rotation for the Lions in terms of snap count.
You've got theoretic thirty percent, Ameer Abdulla twenty six, Garrett
Blunt twenty four, Kerryon Johnson twenty percent. It is a
full blown time share. I think it's gonna stay that way.

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I haven't been all that impressed by Carrie on Johnson.
I think he's fine, but I'm not drafting him this high. Yeah,
I'm I'm one hundred percent on board with that. Yeah,
I'm probably. Look, I'm also not so. I know Trey
Burton's a very popular guy right now, right and this
has kind of been his range or maybe a little later.
Maybe I'm jumping the gun on a little bit, but

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I'm not sure he's actually Travis Kelsey. Oh no, it's
just in. He's Travis Kelly. You know, we all see it,
and look you I am rafting opportunities, but at tight end,
I don't know. You know, there's there's other bodies there.
I don't know that doll cut in. But until I
see Trey Burton actually play like Travis Kelsey, I'm not
paying him like he's half at Travis Kelsey. Bob and

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I used to be friends. Oh oh, this is so
sad for me. I've got I've got Burton in my
top six tight ends. I love the guy. I love him,
so I look, I don't I can I can justify that,
But there are guys going later that are riskier. I
realized that I would just rather have that are more
proven if they stay on the field. I'm talking to
you Jordan Read and Tyler Eifert. And look, I realize

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those are both risky plays, but I mean you look
at Jordan Read going how many rounds later, a guy
that can, you know, absolutely be a top three producer
at the position, maybe even a top maybe even a
top producer number one. Yeah. Sure so. Look, and I
try to be injury agnostic, and that often works against me.
Said every roster with Jordan Read and Tyler Reifer. I'm

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fine with Burton going where he's going if he you know,
I'm just taking whichever of the top ten quarterbacks is
still there. Jack Doyle, Trey Burton, Jordan Read, Kyle Rudolph
Delanny Walker. I'll wait until that starts to run, and
then I'll grab whichever one. I like Trey Burton the
most out of those guys. I really love Jack Doyle,
but I'm fine with where he's going. Man, there's so

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many other guys in this range. I just cannot believe
they're being taken here. Tags Why don't you scoop up
a few. Oh, I feel the need to defend Trey
Burton for a second tray over the last two years.
Obviously played for Doug Peterson, which runs the same style
offense that Matt Naggie's gonna run. Matt Naggie I went
out and got Trey Burton on the second day of
free agency, so it was obviously a high priority signing.
He was a hot ticket on the free agent market.

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There were seven games where Trey Burton played more than
thirty snaps under Doug Peterson. In those seven games, he
totaled three hundred and thirty seven yards and four touchdowns.
All right, So if you do if you extrapolate those numbers,
which seven games, it's almost half of a season. But
if you extrapolate him over a sixteen game season, they
would have amounted to seventy one receptions, seven hundred and
seventy yards, and nine touchdowns, which, by the way, would

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have been the exact amount of PPR points that zach
Ertz scored in twenty seventeen when he finished as the
number three Fantasy tight end. So Trey Burton stepping into
that role did like when he had more than thirty snaps.
He played just like zach Ertz did. So you don't
know Mitchell Trobiski is without a doubt, everybody as good
as Carson Las Yes, Bob, yes, tight ends. All comes

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down to the offense. Do you think would people have
said that Al Smith was as good as Tom Brady
when Travis Kelsey was matching Rob Bronkowski and stats. I
agree with everything you said there, and all I'm saying
is it's just a steep price to pay for a
guy that has not demonstrated it over the course of
handling the full role and and and so. Look, I mean,
I have my shares of him, so it's not like

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I'm anti. I'm just wondering if the price is worth
it when I see guys later. And remember again, I'm
old and very cheap. Bob is very very cheap. Ib
is very meaning. Yes. Okay, here's my other guys in
this range. Julian Edelman. He's never been a top twenty
four wide receiver. I mean I think it was twenty
one once. He's been drafted thirtieth overall, and he's gonna

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miss four games. No, thank you, Will Fuller again with
the touchdown, right, do you guys know what Will Fuller
did after he came back from his injury. He was
just terrible. I understand he didn't have Deshaun Watson. Yeah,
Deshaun Watson. He's gonna throw sixty five touchdown passes this year.
It's not gonna happen. I would bet anyone he doesn't
throw thirty. Okay, Will Fuller is gonna get a handful

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of touchdowns. He'll be all right. But he's being draft
as the wide receiver thirty one. You've got Sammy Watkins
at wide receiver thirty two with a ton of upside,
all kinds of guy's going behind him. Sterling Shepherd is
one of them that I love. Jamison Crowder at wide
receiver forty one. No interest whatsoever in Edelman, and then
hill Man, and then we've got Rashad Penny, who last

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time I checked was two hundred and forty pounds. He's
probably two fifty now because he's already gained sixteen pounds
this preseason. Oh man, I don't think he's getting this
job back in a year when all the news is
about like second year guys or guys going into seasons,
you know, slim down. They've all learned the lesson of
being you know, less explosive rookies. Here comes Rashad Penny

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give me another play to Macaroni. It's something about Seattle.
Eddie Lacy goes there too. Do you think that he's
gonna I almost said, do you think he's gonna eat
this job? To you? Do you think he's going to
win this job back from Chris Carson? I'm I'm not convinced. Look,
Chris Carson would tell you absolutely not. I believe he
used other language. He looks great, right, and he was

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pretty great early last year. And I think on this
team you always pay attention to the draft capital invested.
I mean that does say something. But again, I think
they're pretty even handed in terms of, you know, being
realistic about what they're getting on the field. And if
if Carson keeps Carson gets the first opportunity that's worth
something to me. And if he can continue to perform

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as he did early last year and stay healthy, it's
hard to imagine him giving up that job and its entirety. Yeah, Okay,
let's keep moving tags. Who are a couple more names
that come up on the list here soon? I had
Edelman Fuller on mine h Fuller. It's it's kind of
a joke. I have no idea why he's being drafted
as a top thirty wide receiver, guys um. And that's
the thing, is like if I'd rather draft de Andrew

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Hopkins in the first round than take Will Fuller, and
it's a top thirty wide receiver because at least with Hopkins,
you know you're getting production. I just don't know if
you're going to get the return on your first run investment.
Whereas Fuller, you're drafting him at his ceiling, like legitimately
at his ceiling. He caught a touchdown every seven point
one targets in twenty seventeen. Going over the last five years,
there's only been one player who has caught one more

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often than that, and it was Martavis Bryant in his
twenty fourteen rookie season when he caught eight touchdowns in
ten games. The following year, he caught one every six
targets that year. The following year every fifteen point three.
It almost tripled. And I actually went down in a
player profile that went up on him yesterday, I went
through the players who have had a touchdown less than
eight point five targets in a season there were like

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ten guys in that list. Almost every single guy at
least tripled his number the next year. So if will
Fuller goes from one every seven point one targets, you're
probably looking closer to every twenty to twenty five targets
this year. So that's three five touchdowns. Yeah, and if
that happens, you're like legitimately crushing his upside. So basically,
stay away from will Fuller. He's like way too expensive.

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But the last guy I wanted to mention is obviously
it used to be Bob's guy, but he's coming around.
And that Isaiah Krewell being drafted in the ninth there's
just other guys in that range being drafted who presents
so much more potential like Isaiah Krewell. Will when like
even if he gets the starting job, which right now
it doesn't seem like he's going to have because Baal
Paul is just better. But even if he did get

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that starting job, it's bad volume. And the reason I
say that is because he's good enough to win you
fourth place, he's not going to win you a Fantasy championship. Meanwhile,
there's guys being taken in that ninth round like like
like a Jamison Crowder who can give you consistent production
but shows some upside. Trey Burton again, he's being taken
in that range of Isaiah Krowell. I would much rather
do that. I would rather take Marlon Mack At least
I know Mac gives you potential, like RB one potential.

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The fact that Isaiah Krewell is away from Hugh Jackson,
He's away from his safety net. So no longer do
we have to live with Isaiah Krowell being bad while
there's a better talent on the roster. I hope not. Anyways, tags,
you were taking every point I had to say, so
I'm going to need to collect myself. Bob will go
to you next. Quit making me cry for starters. I
wish you would not do that. And by the way,

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I was going to sight will fall here and use
your very stat tags that I actually got from you. Yes,
this just in he won't be catching a touchdown every
time in case there was still any question about that.
Rex Burkhead, I don't know. I just can't. I'm not
gonna I get that people love him. I get that
he's kind of been productive and in best ball, sure,

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but in season long again I mentioned the Gordian not
that is New England's backfield. If I want a piece
of that, I'm gonna get the piece that has the
more defined role, and that to me seems like James White,
and I'm getting him at a much better price. So
I think I'm just I don't have I have zero
Rex Burkhead this year's I'm just so pro Sony Michelle
that I can't possibly see Rex Burkhead being that good. Yeah,

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and Michelle's kind of growing on me given the the
ADP dropping. And I would say, you know, in terms
of Marlin Mac, I wish you good luck with him
as I draft Jordan Wilkins about that, You know what
I'm saying. I don't. I don't have very much Mac,
but I would rather draft Mac than than Crowell. Stop that.
I like Mac as the RB thirty seven, and then
I like Jordan Wilkins is the RB fifty four. Give

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me him both. Where do you have Crowel? Bobby, I've
got Crowell? Why are you doing this to me? Running
back forty eight? Sorry? Ben, he's falling down my list
as well. This was an earlier season thing, I swear, Yeah, Okay,
the other names I've got here, Ronald Jones, I think
Peyton Barber's actually got this job. Jones hasn't looked good.

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Barbera has looked quite good. I don't know how long
it's gonna last, but take him in seventy seventh overall
for a guy who might not start until like week six,
I'm not very interested in that. And then Devin Funch
just is the other name I want to talk about.
First of all, Kim Newton doesn't how to pass. Second
of all, they've got Greg Olson, Christian McCaffrey, they just
got DJ Moore. Apparently Tory Smith is gonna start. I

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don't know if that's real, but you know, they've got
all these weapons and nobody to pass in the ball.
Kim Newton's great with his legs, but he's just not
a passer. So Devin Funch just going way backward this year.
He's at wide receiver thirty six. I've got him at
wide receiver forty seven. Yeah, and that about wraps it
up for me. Tags, Bob, did either of you have
any other names you wanted to share? No, I think
I'm gonna just sit here and hold my ideah Croyld

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Teddy Bear my boob and weave softly. Honestly, I'm, you know,
more in agreement with you on Crowell now than I was,
you know, when I was drafting early on, just based
on the expectations. I still hold out hopes in those
best ball leagues that he gets some goal one carries,
but probably not drafting as much of him in the
last two weeks as I was prior to that. See,

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Bob's a smart man. I learned from my mistakes. I've
changed my mind on more than a handful of players
this year, and he just gotta admit, you know, if
you messed up. I messed up on plenty of them,
but hopefully I corrected in time for everyone's drafts. So
oh hey, by the way, Bobby, can we like before
the show ends, we admit our mistake together on Tyreek Hill.
I'm not ready to do that yet. No, no, So,
did you know? Like he's played sixty four snaps in

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the preseason, he's been targeted fourteen times. He's caught all
fourteen passes for one hundred and eighty two yards in touchdown.
I mean he's good, he's good, but he's seeing more
targets like Pat Mahomes is not good. Pat Mahomes is
actually bad. That's like a target every four snaps. Like
that's that's I mean, obviously that's not going to continue.
He's better than I had him. I moved him up
from wide receiver twenty to wide receiver fourteen. But I'm

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not drafting in the top ten. Yeah that's fair. We're
fair then, because I haven't met wide receiver twelve. No.
Oh okay, yeah, so I guess we can admit together.
Wide receiver twenty was way too low. Sammy Watkins is
not going to pass Tyreek Hill. It could happen. Travis
Kelsey's gonna get some targets cream Han, of course. But yeah,
I was too low on Tyreek Hill. I'll admit that.
There we go. That's this is see if we have
a therapy session here at the end, Bob, I feel

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much better. I'm gonna finish this off with dat of
the day tags. I don't know if you had something prepared,
but I do, so I'm going for it. Guys, do
you know who the number four? Let me tell you this,
Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins. Those are the top
three Fantasy wide receivers over the past three seasons. Who's
number four, Doug Baldwin, Adams, Larry Fitzgerald. Guys, Oh yeah,

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three straight to catch seasons, hundred and seven or more
receptions in the past three seasons, and they just lost
forty seven percent of their target share. Well, they gained
back David Johnson, so that yeah they did. Yeah, you're right,
I think a game back David Johnson. They added Christian
Kirk Ricky Seals Jos He's the starter now, so you know,
I think that that cancels it out. But Laray Fitzgerald,

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he's the wide receiver seventeen and adp right now after
Juju Smith Schuster in between Juju Smith Schuster and Brandon Cooks. No,
I have him a fifteen, so like I have him
right behind Amari Cooper. Like, I think that's a good territory.
And they as if he's your wide receiver too, be
happy about it, but don't draft him as a wide
receiver one. I've got him twelve. Man, I think you

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might regret that one. I think that I won't. I
think that he's been a top twelve wide receiver each
the best three seasons. I think The one question is
does he have the same role. You know, Aaron's use
him as a big slock eye as well. Mike McCoy
used them the same. But I don't think it matters.
There's two guys on that team you can draft right now,
and he's one. Yeah, the Mighty David Johnson. Oh. I
thought you're gonna say, Sam Bradford. I'm just kidding. Okay, guys,

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that's all for today's show, Bob. This was a lot
of fun. We're gonna have to do this again. Appreciate
you guys having me on. It was seeing you in
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