Week 10 Rapid Reaction + Eric Ebron Explodes (Ep. 288)

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey there everyone. Welcome back to another Sunday night edition
of the Fantasy Post Football Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Harris.
With me, as always is Mike Taglier. You can find
us on Twitter at Dan Harris Adi and at Mike
Taglier NFL tags. How you doing, buddy, I'm doing good. Um,
I think I'm doing better than you obviously. You know
you're trucking through this show. You don't feel so well.
It's it's it's that time of the year where I
think I've been sick like the last two weeks, but

(00:37):
I don't think anybody wants to hear me complain about
it anymore. So I just stopped and uh, I pushed through,
and uh, it's a good day for me because the
Bear's obviously one in uh In you know, Big Fashion
and your Jets were Wow. I don't I really don't
know what to say here. The Jets were just not
very good a football today. Yeah. You know, when I
thought about coming into that game, when I looked at
what the games would be this weekend, I basically assumed

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we essentially would probably skip over that game in highly
because there really wouldn't be many fantasy takeaways from it.
But we're gonna have to talk about it at some point, unfortunately,
very briefly. I'll probably limit you in ninety seconds, but
essentially I probably will ask you. In fact, i'll just
ask it right now. Last week, after the Oakland game
against the forty nine ers, I asked you whether or
not you'd ever seen a team mallet in as badly

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as the Raiders did, and you said, yes, you think
you had seen other teams meltin. So I'll ask it again.
Have you ever seen a team totally mallet in the
way the Jets did today? Oh? Man, that game was bad.
I didn't watch the whole game though, granted I didn't.
That was a game that I didn't prioritize in the
tag layer household today because there's only limited TVs. I
don't have, you know, ten different TVs. I have four
to go off of, so I didn't choose that game

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to watch the majority of the day. So I did
see parts of it. They looked terrible. I mean, I
think I felt like it was a game that was
just overlooked. It kind of reminded me of the Bears
actually against the Dolphins, where it was like a team
that they kind of just overlooked. I don't think they
were able to game plan for the quarterback situation. They
didn't know who they were going to play. I mean,
not that Matt Barkley should have mattered very much, but
Jesus forty one points to the Bills, like, what are

(02:03):
you doing? All right? So we've basically maxed at our
discussion of the Jets for this podcast so that we
don't annoy to many people. But I will say one thing.
We are recording this on Sunday night, and I'm asking
you most people are probably going to listen to it.
Let's be generous and say, oh, you know, maybe on
their ride to work or something, but let's say most
of them listen to it on their ride home. Will
Todd Bowles still be the coach of the Jets when
most people are listening to this podcast. No. I think

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there's gonna be multiple firings in the NFL this week. Actually,
I think that Bowls is gone. And I also think
that Dirk Cutter is gonna get fired as well. Look, man,
he took over the play calling Cutter did, and they
gained like five hundred yards. Yeah, that was because the
offense has been the problem. Dirk right, it was that
was an embarrassment. Well, frankly, I felt like today was
there were a lot of games that just surprised me.
I really feel like I did not have a good

(02:47):
sense of it, not even from a fantasy perspective, just generally.
I certainly didn't expect the Jets to do what they did.
I did not expect the Patriots to do what they did.
I did not expect the Falcons to do what they did.
So we're going to talk about all of it, but
why don't we start with your biggest general takeaway of
the day. My general takeaway the day is that the
fantasy community is still results oriented and it will continue
to hurt many of them in the long run. I

(03:09):
was triggered. I think that's the word I'm supposed to use.
I don't know. My daughter teach tries to teach me
these words at times, and I really don't know how
to use them. But I think I was triggered is
the word she would use. And the fact that like
when we see Eric Ebron score three touchdowns, okay, he
saw three targets in the game, Guys, Jack Doyle has
played like legitimately three times, the snaps that he has,

(03:29):
he's seen more targets. So over the last two weeks,
Eric Ebron has seen six targets. Okay, so over a
span of sixteen games, let's do the math here, three
targets a game time sixteen equals forty eight targets. I'm
gonna ask you a question here. We didn't talk about
this before the show. We don't talk about anything before
the show, all right, So, over the last five years,
there's been sixty tight ends obviously who have finished top twelve.

(03:51):
How many of those tight ends do you think have
had forty eight or less targets in the season? Zero?
Absolutely zero, And as our fact, there's only four of
them who finished with fewer than seventy three targets. That's
so I'm trying to tell people's like, like, look, the
efficiency from that standpoint can't keep up. If he's only playing, like,
you know, eighteen to twenty five snaps a game, his

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efficiency can't keep up. If he's only see in three targets,
it can't keep up. I don't care if Andrew luck
is playing the best football of his life, and he is,
but it can't keep up, sell Eric Ebron. So I'm
just today I got a little upset a follower that
mentioned me. He's like, oh, you told me to drop Ebron,
And first off, I never said to drop Ebron. What
I said was that Doyle was the tight end to
own in Indianapolis, and I still stand by that take.

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But again, I'm just not a results over process person.
I'm a process over results, and obviously the results just
one today. Listen, man, if you're not expecting a jet
sweep to Eric Ebron down at the one yard line,
then I don't know what you're doing. Yeah, in case
you missed that, Ebron had two touchdown catches as well
as the touchdown run, which I think he might have

(04:53):
done once before if I remember, because I'm ninety percent
sure it costs me a fantasy matchup. Yeah, look, I'm
inclined to agree with you. I actually be fair. Rest
of season, coming into this week, I Hadebron lower than
you did. You had him as a low end tight
end one. I had him just off the radar. I
think I had him thirteenth, maybe fourteenth or something like that.
So I do agree with you. I know it's frustrating
these things happen, but tags I mean, look, you've been

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a fantasy analyst long enough, you should know when things
like this happened, it is your fault. Okay, that's just
how it works. I mean, I don't know whatever your
daughter wants to say about it. That's just how it works. Buddy,
it is your fault. And frankly, I'm a little annoyed
that you didn't see this one coming. So look that.
I mean, look, I'm totally inclined to agree with you.
Ebron has value, He's a startable tight end, but I
also would still prefer to own jacked oil rest of season.

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If you saw I mean, one of the just look
like a total broken coverage there was no receiver within
fifteen yards of him, but and another was a jet sweep.
So again, I agree with you. But you know, part
of being a fantasy analyst is dealing with people's frustration.
So sure, no, I get that, but I was just
mad that I never said it. Drop Ebron first off,
and second off, you can't continue to project things like
this with three targets. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you.

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let's get into it. Who is your biggest winner of
the day, biggest one of the day, Miss Trubisky. He
played the best football game of his career, and it
kind of stems off of last week. You know, I
mentioned it last week. The stats didn't match it, but
Trubisky played actually really well against Buffalo. This game, his
stock went through the roof. And one thing I was
looking at when doing my rest of season rankings, it's

(07:23):
like I asked my wife. I was like, why don't
we can, like I start talking these things through because
it helps me like bounce ideas off her, and like
she'll tell me if I'm crazy, She like legitimately will
tell me I'm nuts. And I said, Trubisky, why hasn't
he looked at like a Cam Newton, Like we view
Cam Newton as an elite fantasy quarterback even though he
has bad games from time to time. Trubisky side by
side has two thousand, three hundred and four passing yards

(07:43):
Newton two thousand and eighty six. Trubisky has nineteen passing touchdowns,
Newton has seventeen. Trubisky has three hundred and twenty rushing
yards and three touchdowns. Newton has three fifty two and four.
So Trubisky has been every bit the fantasy quarterback then
Cam Newton has, and he looked better than ever With
Alan Robinson back in the line up, Anthony Miller's gotten involved,
Taylor Gabriel hasn't gotten a deep ball in a couple
of weeks. They're getting Adam Sheen back soon. The only

(08:05):
tough matchup I saw on the remainder of the schedule
is next week actually against Minnesota. That's gonna be a
brutal game for Trubisky. Fortunately he doesn't have to play
them again until Week seventeen, when the fantasy season is over.
But looking at the schedule, I think Trubisky's pans out
as a top twelve quarterback, and honestly, you can make
the argument that he's top eight for the remainder of
the season. Yeah, so, I'm sure I didn't watch this
game quite as closely as you did. But and you've

(08:26):
said it regardless of the numbers, which were incredibly impressive
twenty three completions out of thirty pass attempts, three hundred
and fifty five yards, and three touchdowns. I mean, this
is by far the best I've ever seen him look
in his career, and I think he's just been getting
better and better. Now. Look, I don't want to, you know,
pour any cold water on it or anything, but this
is a fairly good matchup in light of the fact
that Darius Slay was out right, especially that the secondary

(08:48):
for Detroit is not good and Robinson played great. I'm
really excited to see Anthony Miller play great. I'll ask
you a little bit more specifically about him when we
get to that game in our game recaps. But yeah, look,
I agree, there's Trubisky has done very little to make
you think he's not a strong QB one at this
point going forward, and he again, even in a game
where they controlled all time, he still throws in eighteen

(09:10):
yards rushing. I mean, that's basically the equivalent of how
your scoring system is. It's like an extra fifty yards
passing sixty yards passing. You know, that's not nothing at all,
so I agree he is a pretty big winner today.
And he really really, I mean you've basically said it,
but it's correct. This is as good as I've ever
seen him. Look for me, my biggest winner was Carrie
on Johnson. I mean, look, last week I got a

(09:31):
little worried, I'll be honest. I mean, he saw the
same snap count as theo Ritic, just fifty six percent.
And here, despite being down all game, he dominates the
running back touches fourteen for fifty one in a touchdown
on the ground. He gets six catches for thirty eight
yards and a touchdown through the air. I'm wondering, does
this change your rest of season outlook on Kerry on
Johnson given how involved he was in a game where
the lines were behind pretty much the entire game. I mean,

(09:53):
it doesn't hurt. And knowing that theo Ritic last week
got eight targets and he got five, obviously he's gonna
be involved there. But the question is he got banged up.
Towards the end of this game. He took a hit,
they kept riding him out like the thing is, the
Bears defense was all over this run game like there
was nothing to be found. Carrie on Johnson had a
couple of splash plays, and you know, he looks like
a good running back. But the thing is is he's
still going to be involved in a time share. They're

(10:13):
still gonna give Lagarrett blown a lot of goal line opportunities.
THEO ritic is still going to be the primary pass catcher,
so he's in the mix for sure. I still have
him as a like a right around that RB fifteen
RB sixteen range. I do want to see if that
injury was aggravated because he came into this injury this
game with an ankle injury that he was nursing, So
I don't know if he reaggravated that towards the end
of the game, but it's something we'll definitely pay attention to. Yeah,

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and frankly, for me, he was lower item low. I
think you had him seventeen coming into the week, item
about twenty two, So I think probably for me, the
impact of his performance is a little greater than it
is for you. How about your biggest loser today, tax
becas loser has to be. I was gonna say Ryan
Fitzpatrick because I believe that not only is he gonna
lose that starting job, I think I mean, I think
Dirk Cutter is gonna get fired. I think that whoever
they put in charge is gonna say, you know what,

(10:56):
let's go with the kid, because we have to find
out what we have here. Because Ryan Fitzpatricks a journeyman,
he's a veteran, He's moved around from team to team
for a reason. Dirk Cutter was trying to save his job.
If he's getting fired, I don't think if Fitzpatrick hangs
onto that job. But my biggest loser is Adrian Peterson.
In a game that they led throughout, In a game
against the Bucks that have been allowing tons and tons
and tons of production to to you know, to opposing

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run games, petersonetta lackluster game, and it comes down to
missing those three offensive linemen. There's no threats in the
passing game. It's just it's an ugly situation. And at
this point in his career, he's not going to be
able to overcome some of those offensive line injuries. So,
you know, looking at his upcoming schedule, it's it's not
that good, and especially knowing he had probably one of
his the best matchups you know, over the rest of
the season today against the Bucks. And didn't perform. It's

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a little worrisome in a game that, you know, that
game script really fit his role like they were in
they were in the league. That entire game he got
the work. I mean, that's the thing, and you know,
what are you supposed to do there? They have one
healthy offensive lineman. You know, it's just really impossible. Due
now they will keep beating him the ball. They do
not want to throw the ball down the field. That
is readily apparent from every single game that they played.

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But you know, I agree, this is one time where
I think the volume probably is not going to equal production.
And it's a shame because he really has been running
well this year. We've talked about it many times, but
that offensive line is just so decimated. I don't see
how he's going to overcome it. For me, and this
is I really want to ask you about this tax
because we've talked about this guy a lot. It's Jarvis Landry.
I mean, five targets, two catches, twenty two yards. We

(12:21):
can throw David and Joku in there too, but Landry
is sort of a bigger name. This is a great
matchup for slot receivers. You know, Atlanta struggles against them.
He's had more than sixty nine yards receiving just once
in his last seven games. I mean, we have sort
of steadfastly kind of maintained that that breakout's going to come.
The breakout's gonna come. I mean, what are you doing
at this point with the guy? Yeah? Yeah, I mean
that's the thing is we often follow targets, and that's

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the thing. Targets typically equal production. But it's clear, you know,
kind of looking at his production this season, it's been declining,
and especially with good matchups as of late. You know,
they had Pittsburgh, they had Tampa Bay, they had Atlanta.
These were all good matchups. These were games where he
was supposed to dominate, and he had a good game
against Tampa. But outside of that, he's been and I mean,
once you get outside the top you know, fifteen wide receivers,

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a lot of them are pretty volatile. So you can
make the case that, you know, Jeffer's Landry is still
arguably a top twenty fantasy wide receiver. I think he's
actually the number nineteen wide receiver right now in Fantasy
football on the season. So, I mean, even though he
has been up and down, it just kind of goes
to show that a lot of wide receivers are kind
of this way. I mean, the schedule is going to

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get a bit tougher, so I mean, I can't say
that I love him, but I also can't say that
I hate him too much just because the options that
are around him. When you I mean, like when you
go to it, like, would you rather have someone like
I don't know, Cooper cup got hurt today, so that's
a bad one, But would you rather have someone like
Julian Edelman, Amari Cooper, you know, AJ Green? Like these
are wide receivers that I'd probably still take Landry over,
but it's really close, Yeah, I think. I mean Edelman

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left today's game as well. It did not look serious,
and they have a buye next week. It looked like
his ankle, so I'm just gonna assume he's going to
be all right. So I would take Edelman over him
the rest of the season. But I agree, I would
probably take Landry, you know, at this point, over aj Green,
who you know, Adam Schefter tweeted out is probably out
until December, which isn't that surprising. You and I've talked
about it, and certainly over Cooper, who had a really
nice debut with the Cowboys, but I don't think he's

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at that level. But for me, you know, it's just
it's troubling to see, you know, Landry just consistently put
up these quiet numbers. I agree the targets are there,
not today, only five, but it's it's troubling to me.
But I agree, we say this all the time. When
you get to that range, there isn't that much of
a difference between receiver A and receiver B. They're all
kind of lumped in there, so you do generally follow

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the targets. But for me, again, this is a game
I really thought that this was the breakout. This is
when it was going to come, and the fact that
it didn't kind of makes me sad. Let's get into
the game recaps now. Obviously we'll start with the Thursday
night game, Steelers fifty two Panthers twenty one. And if
you watch the first drive of that game where the
Panthers marched right down the field, that outcome seems a
little crazy. Let's talk briefly about Big Ben for a second.

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He had he had a Drew Brees esque game right
twenty two of twenty five three twenty eight yards touchdowns. Now,
we all know about home road splits. For Ben right,
that's always been a big deal in his career. Two
hundred three touchdowns coming in at home, one hundred forty
seven on the road. Four of his remaining six games
are on the road, including next to at Jacksonville, which
isn't quite as scary as it used to be, and
at Denver. How do you feel about him generally speaking

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going forward as a QB one Roethlisberger. I mean, I
had been worried about him, Like I'm not gonna lie,
because if you watched his games, even though the fantasy
production was there, if you watched them over the first
half of the season, Ben Roethlisberger was not playing good football.
But he arguably played the best football I've ever seen
him play on Thursday Night, Like he was lights out fantastic.
His deep ball was on point, because like over the

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first eight games, he had been one of the least
accurate passers on deep balls in the NFL. And that's
something that you know him and Antonio Brown usually connected on,
and they're starting to connect again. Juju Smith Schuster obviously
looks good. James Connor is you know his replaced levy
On Bell, and I think that we don't really need
to see say anything more about that. It's been pounded
to death. So are you sure you don't want to
spend twenty minutes talking about the Levyon Bell James Connor situation.

(15:59):
Don't want to do that. But yeah, know, Ben Roethlisberger,
I definitely have a lot more confidence after watching the
way he played on Thursday. It's obviously just one game,
but it's a step in the right direction. So I
do have him in my KEB one rankings for the
rest of the year, Yeah, for sure. And his playoff
schedule for the Fantasy playoffs, I believe is at Oakland
home against New England and at the Saints. Not necessarily
his two road matchups aren't that prohibitive, so and he'll

(16:20):
need points against the Saints despite the fact that their
defense is playing well. So I agree. I'm pretty bullish.
He was amazing in this game against a fairly decent defense.
And let's talk about the Panthers for a second. And
you know, I don't know if you've got any heat
for this, but you know we have pooh pooed you
more than me. To be fair A little bit Christian McCaffrey,
and he had a monstrous game, three touchdowns and I
don't know why he was in the game as long

(16:40):
as he was, but whatever. Now, look, it was a
tough matchup. Steelers have been tough against the run. They
allowed the second fewest fantasy points to running backs, the
third fewest reception. So, you know, talk to me about
your outlook on Christian McCaffrey going forward. Well, what's funny
is that I made a bet with Bobby at the
beginning of the season in regards to Joe Mixon versus
Christian McCaffrey. And I've always said that mcaffre wasn't someone

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that was going to lose your fantasy league, but he
said I also said that he wasn't someone that was
going to win your fantasy league because I don't think
he's ever going to score more than like eight touchdowns
in a season. So we made that bet, and I
talked to Bobby after that game and I said, I
still think McCaffrey's overrated, and he's like, I actually agree
with you. He's like the holes that he was running through,
it's like Pittsburgh didn't care about him running the ball

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and Obviously it didn't have a major impact in the
game because they got stomped. But seriously, he was running
through holes and I put out a tweet saying that
Peyton Barber could have ran through some of those holes
that they were creating on the offensive line, and you know,
it was a tough matchup. Pittsburgh has been one of
the best run defenses in the NFL. So I don't
know what really happened to Pittsburgh. If they just said,
you know what, we're going to basically just stick in

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his zone and sit back and just basically play a
prevent defense and not allow these big plays to him,
I don't know what they were doing. But either way,
McCaffrey produced, and that's all you can ask for as
a fantasy owner. So I did have him ranked as
my number I think I still had him in my
top twelve running backs this week, just because the running
back position is so ugly. But I was obviously wrong
on this one. What about rest of State, let's put

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a number on the rest of the season. I think
you had him twelve coming into the game. So it's
not as if you're like, no, I hate Christian McCaffrey,
avoid him or anything. You've had him, I think as
an RB one even in standard leagues. Where do you
have him going forward? I have, and I actually moved
him ahead of Joe Mixon going forward because Joe Mixon
is still not being used in the passing game, even
coming out of the bye. It's disappointing to see the
way like the Bengals are blundering the situation that they're

(18:23):
not playing it right. So I did move mccaffreyhad to Mixon.
I have McCaffrey currently as my number ten running back
in standard formats, I would still rather have someone like
Leonard Fournette than him, just because I think Fournett's gonna
have more scoring opportunities and like over the course of
the season, four Nett's gonna be a little I think
he's gonna score more and he offers more breakout potential,
whereas McCaffrey is a safer option than four Nette. But again,

(18:44):
if we're talking about players like up here, I'm looking
for someone that's gonna like win me my fantasy league,
and Christian McCaffrey as much as as good as his
fat last couple of weeks have been, if you look
before that, he was just kind of like a game
manager fantasy running back. That's basically how I could best
describe it. Yeah, I mean it's tough for me. I've
been more bullish on them than you, and I haven't
been crazy. I had him at seven even in standard
coming in, you know, I bounced. He's a guy who

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I find myself constantly reevaluating every week. I feel like
he has the most delta between where he was and
where he goes, because it's hard to get a good
read on him because again, there are times where he's
kind of completely irrelevant, he's just not given the work.
There are other times where he totally dominates the game,
I think, regardless of anything. You know, if we're down
on him, if we're high and him, we both have
him as a solid RB one going forward at this point.

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So to the event you want to yell at us,
just you know, let yell about Erki Broughton or something else, something,
something that's way more fun. All right, we touched on
it briefly, but let us talk about your boys. Bears
thirty four lines twenty two. It was not that close,
you know, Line scored a couple of touchdowns or the
end totally dominant performance. We talked about Drubisky. We can
talk about the passing game if you want, because there's
you know, Alan Robinson and Anthony Miller of huge games.

(19:48):
But I do want to know you look at the
score and you would have sort of without looking at
the box, or you would have expected Jordan Howard got
a ton of work, but just eleven carries for twenty
one yards. Three Cohen gets a touchdown. What are your
thoughts on Jordan Howard going forward in a game with
a you know, a positive game script. This is where
he really should eat. I've been saying for a long
time to sell Jordan Howard, he looks like crap, Like

(20:10):
that's that's that's like speaking as real as I can get.
He looks like he's running through mud. M He hasn't
looked good in this offense. He's not running well out
of the shotgun. He's not running well without a fullback
in front of him. And it's weird because Matt Naggie
has been relatively consistent in his like doing things outside
the box, but with Jordan Howard, he doesn't like they
run him up the gut. I think James co An,
NFL Next Gen's stats said it was like seventy percent

(20:32):
of the time he's running in between the tackles, and
that's he's not succeeding. Like again, he just looks like crap.
I have like a thread with my friends, like we
go through and we talk about the Bears and they complain,
you know, play to play me. I'm not like overreactive
of one game or two games here and there, or
a play here and there, I should say, But we
were talking about this and like Jordan Howard just like

(20:52):
they were like, why wouldn't we have traded him? And
I'm like, well, he's on a rookie contract. He was
drafted in the fifth round, Like he's just too cheap,
and he's he's a clock killer, that's what he is.
If the Bears gonna lead, lead, they're gonna use him
in a clock killing mode and that's basically what they do.
But what about today? They had the lead the whole day.
But I don't think the Bears ran a whole lot
of plays in this game. That's basically what it comes
down to. Because three Coon only had seven carries, Like

(21:13):
I'd be interested to see the total play count. I
haven't looked at that that's something i'd take a look at,
like the last thing I'll look at when I'm doing
my primer, like right ups. But I don't think they
ran very many plays in this game. They didn't need
the ball on offense. They were pretty efficient in terms
of that. But this game wasn't even as close as
you thought. Like Cody Parkey, he missed two field goals,
he missed two extra points. He had like Mason Crosby
type day, So you know he might be out of

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talent after this game because like he cost them a
lot of points. But either way, the Bears passing him
it's gonna be frustrating because they have so many options.
And I always knew that it was going to be
somewhat of an issue for Detroit because the Bears don't
have one guy in the offense that they traditionally go to,
like Alan Robinson is clearly the best wide receiver of
the bunch, but they have so many other options in

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the offense and the Detroit Lions defense, they tend to
try and take away the opposing number one player. This
week without Darius Slay, it was always gonna be tough
to do that with Alan Robinson, who he's just awesome.
He's so and people continually underrate this guy. But either way,
it was a great show by the Bears offense. In
regards to Detroit, not so much. Matthew Stafford was off.

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His overall numbers aren't terrible. In terms of two seventy
four and two. He threw two picks. He took six sacks,
so it's now sixteen sacks over the last two weeks
without Golden Tate. He's missing him over the middle of
the field. He missed some easy throws to Galladay, to
Marvin Jones. It just doesn't look good man, and he's
someone that honestly, I was going through the rest of
the season schedule and he's almost borderline droppable at this point.
If you look at the Lions schedule going forward, after

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the Bears, they're gonna play Carolina, that's okay, but then
they played the Bears again the Rams. But here's the
fantasy playoffs for Matthew Stafford at Arizona, the number two
defense against fantasy quarterbacks, at Buffalo, the number three fantasy
defense against quarterbacks, and then Week sixteen Minnesota. You're not
gonna want to play him at any of those matchups.
So I mean, if you have Matthew Stafford, you can
get anything for him in a trade. I would do. So,

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I mean, look, I'm gonna I'm gonna take off the borderline.
I don't think Matthew Stafford needs to be owned, I
you know, especially not now. I think I have him
maybe a QB sixteen seventeen going forward. I mean, he's
a by week filler, that's all that he is, especially
without Tate. It was just a terrible game really all
around for the line's offense. And frankly, I had Stafford
as my bust this week, so it was a little

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annoying to see just the late because he was terrible
for the whole game, and then he got a couple
of late touchdowns, but he really didn't play well. I
will note that Marvin Jones tags, I'm sure you're watching
this coastly. Apparently he left with a knee injury. I
don't know if it was serious or he was being
examined on the side. They didn't really say too much
about it because, like I started to fade, I started
to move into other games because that game was completely
out of hand. But he was being examined on the
trainer's table. I don't know how serious it was, but

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Kenny Galladay led the way with thirteen targets, so he's
obviously back in the conversation. Yeah, out of curiosity were
most of those targets. I don't know when Jones left
this game, because third it was late in the game.
It was the fourth quarter. Oh okay, that's great then,
because Galladay seeing thirteen, I mean I believe he had
seen just seven targets combined over his last three games
or something like that. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it
was just five targets over the last two weeks. Yeah. Yeah,
So that's great, Frankly to see that he got thirteen targets,

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six receptions, seventy eight yards and a touchdown. And again
you mentioned Stafford missed him a few times with just
pour throws. So encouraging for Kenny galle and monitor Marvin
Jones's injury. The Lines are hosting the Panthers next week,
Saints fifty one Bengals fourteen. I mean the game was
over by halftime. It was over like after the first snap.
Club It was just ridiculous. I don't really think there's

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that much of a takeaway on either side. But let
us try the Saints. They're just an unstoppable for us man.
Drew Brees is usually slightly worse on the road, but again,
he and Ben both twenty two of twenty five two
hundred and sixty five yards and three passing touchdowns. He
also ran for a touchdown. The Bengals defense is terrible
and they are down Vant's perfect and Nick Mitgill they're
just terrible. Let's talk about mark Ingram because you, I believe,

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have been kind of high on him, and I think
you talked about him earlier this week. Big game here,
thirteen carries hundred four yards, three catches for fifty eight yards,
and the touchdown that came relatively early. It was not
clock killing time or they were going to him or
anything like that. You're bullish on him going forward or what? Yeah,
I am. I'm not going to go over the top.
Like I have him as my number fifteen running back
for the rest of the season. He's clearly in a
timeshare in Alvin Kamara. Like every time Kimara gets the ball,

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like the dude just makes it look so easy. Like
when he scores his touchdown, it's like he's usually walking
into the end zone and that's something that doesn't happen
in the NFL very often. But yeah, it's a very
concentrated offense in terms of like who the ball goes to.
You should know that tray Kwon Smith. I think my
biggest takeaway here is that Trayquon Smith is probably droppable.
And that's crazy because he actually played the most snaps
of any Saints wide receiver in this game. He's just

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not getting the targets, Like he didn't see a single
target today. That's not going to work. He played fifty snaps,
but still, Michael Thomas, Alvin Kimara, mark Ingram, this is
the offense right there. Every now and then you'll get
Ben Watson mixed in mark Ingram happy to see a
big game out of him. I actually thought it could
have been even bigger, be just because like when you
looked at the carries that could have amounted for the
Saints and they did. They actually ran the ball forty

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seven times. I thought we could have gotten your thirty
five carries between Kimara and Ingram, so I thought GM
could have approached twenty carries in this game. But they
took their foot off the throttle with the starters. They
put in Dwayne Washington for eleven carries against the Bengals.
They're just a bad football team right now, and without
AJ Green, Andy Dalton's not going to be able to
do much. Tyler Boyd was contained. And it was something
I worried about too, because like the Saints the way

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they handled Adam Dealon a couple of weeks ago, they
actually brought a safety down and they were double teaming him. Like,
I haven't gone back to watch how they handled Boyd,
unlike the All twenty two film that'll be up tomorrow,
but I'll go back and watch that game to see
how they did it. Because if the Saints are like adapting,
you know, to opposing offenses, it's really smart and it's
a defense that you could probably trust going forward. Yeah,
I do want to know, because I was wondering about this,

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whether or not it was Saint specific or whether or
not you just think absent Aj Green, every single skill
player for fantasy purposes on the Bengals needs to be downgraded. Yeah,
that's what I was That's what I was saying. I said,
I would have liked Tyler Boyd in this game more
if AJ Green was on the field. Yeah, and I
think that you can think about that going forward. Frankly,
I mean, you know, Mixon played well, to be fair,
it's a tough run defense. He at eleven carries for

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sixty one yards, two catches for twenty four yeards. But
you talked about him. They should be using him a lot,
especially in the passing game, and they don't. And frankly,
they were just out of this game so early that
he never got the work, which was disappointing. And again, yeah,
disappointing effort from Tyler Boyd John Ross does you know
get the touchdown? But I assume he's far from relevancy
in your mind kind of. I mean, this was always
this was gonna be a tougher matchup without aj Green

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against the Saints defense that has speed, like Marshawn Lattimore
was out there. He doesn't travel into the slot, so
I figured he'd see a lot of Lattimore. They put
a safety shade of safety his way. It's so stupid,
Like I could go on a long rant about why
Cincinnati is the like legitimately one of the dumbest teams
in the NFL in terms of like what they have
and what they don't know they have in Joe Mixon.
They only ran forty three plays in this game because

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they just lost the time of possession, like over and over,
and that was a concern of mine. But Mixon played
twenty nine snaps. He was targeted twice. They did use
him on one design pass play to him. It was
like a screen and it worked. But again, we're not
going to do that. You know, we're down aj Green,
we have John Ross, we have cj Uzama, we have
Cody Core. Let's let's target these guys instead. Look, buddy,

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I know you've got a girl rant in you on
the Bengals, but why don't you save it for like
ten years from now when Marvin Lewis is still screwing
and still has no playoff win. I mean, it still
has no plaid. But you know what, every year, you're like, oh,
this is the year, this is the year, and then
it comes out we've signed Marvin Lewis to do. Yeah,
it's just it's awful. I would feel bad for Bengals fans,
but as a Jets fan, I'm kind of on the

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Let's move on Browns twenty eight, Falcons sixteen. I mentioned
it at the top of the show. Pretty shocked by
this when Matt Ryan has been playing great lately. You've
noticed that, You've talked about it. The Browns were down EJ. Gaines,

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they were down Christian Kirksey, and Denz Award was questionable
coming in. He did play with his hip entry. But
let's start with the Falcons. What are you generally, what
are your takeaways from the team. It's it's just a game.
I think they overlooked. I think this happens with NFL
teams from time to time, and that's why they say
any given Sunday, just because there's there's just you know,
Atlanta coming off a big road win against Washington last week.

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You know, I think people expected a lot from Atlanta.
I'm just thinking, like, oh, they overcame the road woes
and this and that again. I just think it was
a game that started off weird, you know, uck Cleveland
jumped out to an early lead, and Atlanta's game plan
just didn't work out the way they wanted it too.
It's hard to explain how Atlanta lost this game because
like it seems like they're superior and almost every way.
But Nick Chubb kind of took over the game. He

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was awesome. Twenty carries, hundreds of them in these sixty
yards and a touchdown and ninety two yard touchdown run
sets a franchise record. I believe three catches for thirty
three yards and a touchdown. How let's talk about Hub briefly.
I do want to touch on something on the Falcons,
but let's talk about Chub. I mean, where is he
at this point? How are you feeling about him going forward?
I mean he's approaching RB one status. He was a
guy that even when Carlos Hide left, I remember talking

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about the waiver wire and I said I'd spent all
my fab budget on him, just because it's it's rare
to find a running back who's going to receive, you know,
fifteen plus touches a game on the waiver wire, and
you know under Mayfield, it's been a competent offense. They
haven't been elite by any means, but I think a
lot of that comes down to the play calling, some
of the injuries they've dealt with, and the offensive line
not blocking, whatever whatever the case is. But Nick Chubb
has been every bit the workhorse that you thought he'd be.

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Ever since coming into that starting role. He hasn't totaled
I think less than eighteen carries in a game. He
saw three targets in this game, compared to four for
Duke Johnson. So I mean, Duke Johnson looks like he's
still in the same role that he was even with
Hugh Jackson. I know so many people were excited about
last week's performance, and I said, don't get over the
top excited about that. It seems like this is Chubb's backfield.
They want him to be used. He is the clear

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cut workhorse. He's going to be on the field a ton,
and we haven't seen him in like a really really
really negative game script just yet. But at the same time,
is that the Browns defense are they good enough to
keep them from that happening? So yeah, Nick Chubb Man
approaching RB one's status. Yeah, absolutely, You and I both
had him at fifteenth coming in. We're both going to
be moving him up for the very reasons that you said.

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And that's a good mention about Duke Johnson. He does
score the touchdown here, but again just seven touches. It's
just it's not easy to be a consistent fantasy asset
in any type of league when your usage is that little.
You know. I think we were all getting a little
excited about him last week, but we threw a little
bit of cold water on it on Sunday because it
really wasn't It wasn't the usage, it was just the production,

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and really usage is what we want to see. We
did talk about Jarvis slander already, so let's briefly. I
do want to touch on one more thing with the Falcons,
well maybe two. One is that I'm really not that
you're ever worried about Julio Jones for crying out loud,
but not only was it great to see him get
a one yard touchdown, but also several targets near the
goal line. I definitely saw at least one other one
from at the one or two yard line. So it's

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really good that that's kind of a focus when they
get down there, and hopefully we will never have to
worry about him scoring touchdowns. But I do want to
ask you about Calvin Ridley. Five targets, three catches, thirty
seven yards. Most of that came on a thirty one
yard catch. He's got fifty four yards or less and
five of his last six games. Is this just an
example of Yeah, he's just another guy you kind of
throw in the wide receiver three bucket and there's not
much difference between them. Yes, that's exactly what he is,

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and that's the thing he's going to benefit from Julio.
Like if Julio has a down week, or if he's
shadowed by a top tier cornerback that like can at
least limit his production, maybe someone like Marshawn ladder More,
maybe someone like Casey Hayward. These are guys that typically
you know, they may not shut Julio down, but they
might limit Julio. And that's when you want to look
at Calvin Ridley because he's the like the Falcons have
been really good about exploiting a team's weakness this year, Like,

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they've been really really good about it. Austin Hooper has
had really good games in games against teams that have
really struggled against tight ends. It's almost like they're actually adapting,
which is something I always wait for for coaching staffs
to do, and the Falcons have done a really good
job of that this year. So for Calvin Ridley, I
think better days will come. It's just Julio Jones has
had a pretty good schedule here recently, and he's been
able to beat the cornerbacks he's matched up against. He

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always can. But the fact that they lost this game,
Like when you talk about Julio getting more goal line opportunities, yes,
it's good for fantasy football, But if they lose this game,
does it does it cause them to look to go
back to the way that they were doing things because
obviously the other way was working. So I don't know, man,
this like I said, this game, I don't want to
take away too much from it just because I feel
I just feel like it was a game that Atlantap

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kind of overlooked their opponent. Yeah, I think that that's fair,
and I think that might have had with our next
game two with the Titans thirty four and the Patriots ten.
I mean, again, another game that just didn't seem to
make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not
sure if it was because Mike Rabel is the Titans
coach and he played, so maybe he knew, or whether
or not they were just looking a head toward thereby.
But let's talk about a little bit. Let's start with

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the Patriots side because it's a little more interesting. Gronkowski
misses another game. I really don't know what you can
expect from him going forward, but we can talk about
that if you want. Sony Michelle. That is very late.
He does return, but he does very little in the
game that the Patriots pretty much trailed right from the
get go, so he was game scripted out and the
Titans allowed the fourth views fantasy points to running backs.
We talked about Julian Edeman. I do want to ask
you about Brady. When we did our half season awards,

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I mentioned Brady was the most overrated fantasy asset this year,
and he really continued that trend. He has struggled on
the road. He's averaging before this game just two hundred
forty two yards one and a half touchdowns per game.
Coming in here just twenty one of forty one for
two hundred and fifty four yards in this game, no touchdowns.
I mean, what do you think about Brady going forward?
I moved him down to my QB fourteen for the

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rest of the season. I've moved him down quite a bit.
I'm done with Town Brady in fantasy football coming into
this week. So there had been this is something I
put in the primer. There had been seventy five quarterback
performances of twenty two plus points this year. Brady has
one of them. So he's not even offering you the
upside that you want, Like I mean, I understand that
maybe like okay, well he's not delivering the upside. Then

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you want him to deliver consistency. He hasn't even really
been doing that, and traditionally Brady has really struggled in
the month of December when it comes to I don't
know if it's the Patriots just taking it easy, not
having him throw a whole bunch, maybe it's him, it's
divisional games. Whatever the case may be, Brady has just
not been around in December as of late in any
kind of turns it on the playoffs. So I'm moving
on from Brady like I would rather own Mitch Trubisky

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going forward. Yeah, that's actually the name I was going
to throw out for you right there, and I think
I agree with you. I'm not sure. I'm fourteen just
sounds so love. I'm trying just in my mind, let's
talk about it, like Ben Roethlisberger, would you rather own Brady? Yeah,
I know roethlis all right, Breeze, oh, breeze for sure. Drubisky.
I honestly, it's the name that's stuck out to me.

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I think truebisk. I think I'd probably rather own Trubisky. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. Like you go to Russell Wilson,
Jared Goff, to Shaun Watson, Carson Wentz, all these guys,
and that's what I'm saying. Brady ends up at fourteen
for me. He's right in front of Philip Rivers, and
I honestly should probably put Rivers ahead of Brady. Yeah.
I can't argue with that analysis. Frankly, it's just the
number kind of jumps out to me right coming into
this week. Before he flopped this week, Tom Brady was

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the number sixteen quarterback in points per game. And it's
not like he's had a terrible season. It's just the
NFL has become more of it's like there's a lot
bigger games coming and it's like you need the upside
of some of these quarterbacks, and Brady just hasn't been
there without Gronk. Now, as for Gronk, I still think
that he's a bye I still think if you can
get him for like a wide receiver three on your team,
Like let's say that someone would take Calvin Ridley for

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Rob Gronkowski. At this point, I would do that trade.
And the reason I would is because you look at
the tight end position and like, outside of Travis Kelsey
zach Ertz, I guess we could throw George Kittle in there.
Outside of them, there is nobody like legit zero players
you could say like one hundred percent confidence you start
every single week. So knowing that Gronk he has the

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bye week coming up, knowing that he's had not a
couple of weeks to rest up, I think that they
kind of did think that they could beat the Titans
without him, and the Titans were a really good defense
against tight ends anyways, But I would buy knowing that
the potential upside you get there, that's game, that's league
winning potential upside. Well, I mean, I do want to
make it clear. When you said Gronkowski was a buy,

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I kind of cringed a little bit because of the injury.
But frankly, if you're telling me that the price that
you could pay for Gronkowski is a wide receiver three,
then short people are dropping him. People are dropping him. Well,
that's insane. Frankly, I mean, I get it a little bit,
but at some point, you know, fantasy owners need to
just take a chill pill. I mean, I get it,
I get it, but you know, relax, everybody. You know
it's been frustrating. He's usually frustrating. Tone this is the

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first year where he's both been injured and not performed
when he's been healthy. But if you can get Gronkowski
for a wide receiver three in that range, yeah, I
would feel fine about doing it. But if you have
to pay anything close to more than that, I would avoid,
just because I really don't know what they're going to
do at this point. On the other side of the
ball at Derrick Henry does score the two touchdowns, but
it seemed more like the game script just favored him.

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Towards the end. He still only saw levin carries as
opposed to Dean Lewis, who saw twenty. I assume you're
willing to just kind of write this one off to
the game script and Lewis is still your guy to
own in the backfield going forward, Sell Sell, Sell Derrick Henry.
He has four touchdowns in the last three games, but
the touches, it's a it's a seventy thirty split, is
what it is, and it's not on Derrick Henry side.
So over the last three weeks, Dean Lewis has sixty

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four touches to just thirty three for Derrick Henry. Now,
granted he's gonna get some goal line work in there.
They're gonna mix in the two, with Henry getting most
of the goal line work. But I don't want to
rely on a touchdown dependent running back in the fantasy playoffs.
It's like going back to the DeMarco days, Like when
you had DeMarco and Derrick Henry. Could you start that
guy every every week? No? You couldn't. No, No, absolutely,
and an outlook to be as far as possible. He

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ran well in this game. I mean eleven for fifty eight,
that's not bad. And Lewis didn't really, you know, do
much with his carries twenty for fifty I want to
acknowledge that. But yeah, I mean this morning, frankly, I
dropped Derrick Henry in a league just because I think
that's where he is. He's I don't see him. If
you can trade him for something, I would be more
than happy to do that, But I don't really I agree.
He's just sort of a touchdown dependent guy. At this point,

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it is Lewis's backfield, and I expect that to continue
going forward. Before we leave the game, Corey Davis finally
breaks out ten targets, seven catches, one hundred twenty five yards,
and a touchdown. He had been held to sixty five
yards or less than seven of eight games. I figured
Stefan Gilmore would be on him, but I mean, look,
you had him at thirty fifth coming in. Does this
move the needle? Now? Are you like, oh, yeah, Corey
Davis breakout game? Yeah? I like Davis. I had him
in thirty five because I felt like I was gonna

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wait until after this week, and then I was going
to move him up because the schedule does lighten up
a little bit. Because no wide receiver had performed against
the Patriots recently, like Stefan Gilmore had been shut down,
and they did have him on Corey Davis. And after
the game, Stefan Gilmore came out and said, he's like,
Davis just beat me, like he was he ran great routes,
like there was a lot of things he did for
a young guy that he was surprised with and that
he just got open. And he's like, I'll take blame

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for that. So Corey Davis just schooled fun gilm or
that's what happened. And Corey Davis has always been a
good receiver and that's the part where when he doesn't perform,
that's where it's really really frustrating, because, like Mike, you know,
good players perform no matter what, and that's not always
the case in fantasy football. It's the same thing with
a Marie Cooper. These are two very good players and
it's like, you know, Corey Davis was at least getting targets,

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but they weren't very catchable targets in this game. Mariota's
touched down to him was a beautiful pass like it
was a great touch throw, floated it right over the defender.
Corey Davis made a great basket catch over his shoulder.
It was a great play, and Mark Mariota has been
playing a lot better the last couple weeks. I'm not
willing to say that all of a sudden he's an
every week's starter or anything like that, because I mean,
over the past two years we have a pretty big

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sample size of him not being very a very great passer.
We're relying a lot more on his on his legs
for production. But Corey Davis, he's always been the kind
of guy that I wanted to buy because, just like
Jarvis Landry, the targets are there and the production typically
follows those targets. Yeah, I mean first with Mariota, it
does make a huge difference when you can apparently feel
your hands, which Mariona couldn't earlier in the season. So
he's looking a lot better lately. With Davis, I've said

(41:02):
it repeatedly. I wanted to see it first. This was great.
He looked good in this game. I was very impressed.
I still think he's going to be certainly in that
wide receiver three range. I don't think I'm willing to
move him above that, which again it's kind of interchangeable.
If he does it again, I'll be excited because he
does have a good closing schedule, but for me or
something where I had really just counted him for much
of the season and at this point it sort of

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piques my interest, but I'm not really all that excited
about him just yet. I want to see it one
more time. I believe they played the Colts next week,
so hopefully that's a big game. And speaking of the
Colts twenty nine Jaguars twenty six, we have you know,
I was a little surprised here. I kind of thought
the Jaguars defense, Again every game, I've been surprised about it.
I kind of thought the Jaguars defense would get it
together on the buy, they'd regroup and they'd come out

(41:45):
and they'd fire, and they really didn't. They did not
look good. We talked already about how you know, I
can't believe you don't love Eric Ebron. What's wrong with you?
Let's talk instead about the running game. Really disappointing effort
from Marlon Mack just twelve carries for twenty nine yards
on the ground. The Jags struggled on defense lately, particularly
against the run. It's not the best schedule coming up.
They get the Titans, the Dolphins are fine, but then

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the Jaguars again, the Texans, the Cowboys. He had him
at eighteen rest of season coming into this game. Are
you moving him down? Are you keeping him where he is? Yeah? Max,
close to where he is. I mean, I wasn't expecting
much out of him this game, to be honest with you.
I mean, like I think people started overrate Mac a
little bit. He was coming off games against the Jets,
the Bills, and the Raiders, so it's not like it
was a very tough schedule for him. That's the one

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thing I always wanted to keep in mind. I don't
think Marlon Mack is a type running back where you're
going to consistently get, you know, five yards per carry,
like a Jamal Charles or something like that. He does
play for in a great offense, so he's gonna get
plenty of scoring opportunities, and that's always appealing. I did think.
I also did think that the Jags defense would play
better than they did this week. I think that part
of it, though we should give credit to Frank Reich
for the offensive game plan. It was a lot of

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creative stuff that they were doing, including you know, getting
Erky run the handoff, using him in like a slot
receiver role. And it's probably something that we I probably overlooked,
to be honest with you, because like Chester Rogers, he's
been slipping down the depth chart. He hasn't playing very
many snaps. So when you look at the team, it's
like Dontrell Inman, t Y Hilton and Ryan Grant out there. Okay,
maybe they mix an Ebron the slot a little bit,

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and that's like a mismatch for the Jags roster, like
they've struggled with receivers in the slot, so we should
I probably should have looked at that a little closer.
That's probably on me, But if I had known that
Ebron was gonna get three targets, I wouldn't have played them.
But at the same time, that's what I'm saying, Like
the Jags defense, part of it's on play calling we had.
They were playing a similar offense actually to the one
that they just played in London against Doug Peterson and
the Eagles, and I wonder. I wondered about that if

(43:29):
like Frank Wright, like contacted Doug Peterson during their bye
week and was like, Hey, could you give me anything
on the Jags defense, like you know how to attack them?
Like did you see any weaknesses? Or like would you
do that? If like you had coached for someone, let's
say you developed a friendship, would you reach out to
that coach and ask him? I would? Why the heck?
Why the heck wouldn't you? I mean, I don't know
if that's like a thing a big no no in
the NFL where it's like you don't ask another coach

(43:50):
to help you out? But why not? Yeah? Absolutely? I
mean and again, I do want to say this because
I feel like generally fantasy analysts, I don't really think
you do it quite as much or I, but I
think generally fantasy analysts we're tough on coaches, right because
there's a lot of things that we don't get and
we don't understand, and we feel like they ignore data
that is right in front of their face. Frank Reich
is an awesome coach. I've been totally impressed with him

(44:13):
the entire season. I think he's great. I think he's
one of a handful of elite coaches in the NFL
on the other side of the ball. I mean, you
had this Fournette situation completely nailed right from the get go.
You basically said, he's going to step in, he's going
to have the massive workload, he's going to dominate the game.
And he did. Twenty nine touches, one hundred nine yards,
two touchdown, surefire, rock solid, RB one going forward. Correct. Yeah,
that was my take. And the fact that I don't

(44:33):
know what changed from Leonard Fournette, like from when people
were drafting him in the first round this year, I
don't know what changed from when he was coming back.
Was it Carlos hide because that was that should have
never been a concern. Carloshie is not going to be
able to run behind this offensive line. Yeah, I mean
I think frankly, I think people were just you know,
you want to see it. You want to see that
the guy is healthy. But especially since he came back
already from the hamstring injury and didn't perform anywhere close

(44:54):
to what he was capable of doing so now, and
that's the thing. So I had Fournett ranked lower than
I usually would have, So I do know that there
was some risk in saying that, I think I had
him ranked as like my number thirteen running back, fourteen
running back this week. Had I known, like if there
was absolutely no risk at all, like zero, then I
probably would have had him ranked as like the number
eight running back this week. But I knew that there

(45:16):
was some risk. But again, like the whole hamstring thing,
I think it was overblown just because the Jags knew
what they were doing and knew that they couldn't bring
him back before he was like legitimately one hundred percent. Yep, No,
I think that that's a good idea. Dante Moncrief gets
the revenge game. Four targets, only three catches. Yeah it
was one catch, yeah, ninety eight yards in touchdown. But
good for him. I like him. I hope you played
him in DFS just because of the whole revenge game narrative.

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Let's look at the next game kind of quickly here,
Chiefs twenty six Cardinals fourteen. Really not a huge game
for the Chiefs for anyone other than Tyreek Hill, who
had a monstrous day one hundred and seventeen yards receiving
and two touchdowns with Sammy Watkins inactive with the foot injury.
We kind of thought maybe Chris Connelly would be a
deep sleeper, but he just had two targets one catch
for twenty yards. Is it fair to say that this
is essentially the way I would sum up the game

(45:59):
for the chief They were just never really in danger
of losing it, so they just kept it relatively conservative
for them. And there's nothing to read into anything from
this game. It was like an Alex Smith game from
last year, right, And the thing is you take away
Sammy Watkins and it's the same team. Yeah, I mean
that's the thing. And I really think frankly, they just
I think they could have done whatever they wanted to
do at this point if they really needed to. But

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I just think, frankly they kept it pretty conservative. Travis
Kelsey is still good, Cream Hunt is still good. Patrick
Mahomes is still good on the cardinal side of the ball. Look,
I know this is hot, hot take you, buddy, but
I think you should start your running backs against the Chiefs. Okay,
going forward, I think obviously the Chiefs are they allowed
the most fantasy points to opposing running backs. Staved Johnson
huge game twenty one, carries ninety eight yards and a

(46:40):
touchdown on the ground. Plus and this is really what
we're excited to see. Nine targets, seven receptions, eighty five
yards and one touchdown through the air. I told you
know the Byron left which Chage vafedsive coordinator. That's all
we needed. I match beside. You're related right as a
Johnson owner? Correct? Oh, absolutely, yeah, this I mean this,
Keep in mind, this was a match up where it
really needed to be exploited and they did. I mean,

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Josh Rosen wasn't very good, Like he's he's not mobile
at all, Like his pocket awareness isn't great right now.
So he's taking a lot of unnecessary sacks, he's throwing
some interceptions. That offensive line's not great. But I like
the way that they used him here. But it's still
there's still some game planning issues in terms of what
they're doing with Josh Rosen. But David Johnson, it's it's
definitely nice. But the thing is to know that the Chiefs.
This is like just how bad the Chiefs have been

(47:25):
against running backs. They have allowed fifteen running backs to
score twelve or more PPR points against them. That was
coming in to today, so now it's sixteen, all right,
and that's through ten games because they haven't had their
by yet. Okay, no other team in the NFL had
allowed more than ten running backs to achieve such feat.
So it's it's a matchup that you just like legitimately
pound your running backs against. And I figured what the

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bye week Arizona could like clearly watch film and see
that Kansas City has done great with receivers, they struggled
with running backs. So to see him have a big game,
it's not really surprising, but it's definitely reassuring to know
that they're willing to use him in the passing game
this much. So let me ask you, in light of
all that, you start in Todd Gurley next week against
the Chiefs, sir, I think you might want to benjam. Actually,

(48:07):
what's funny about that is that that game has taken
place on Monday night, So all of us that you know,
play the main slate in DFS, you're you're gonna be
left without the Rams and the Chiefs for the next
two weeks because they're playing on Monday night and then
they have their buy in week twelve. So it's gonna
be just like legit depressing tags the bearer of bad news.
Um yea, and now I agree anyway everything you've said. Basically,

(48:28):
I second, let's move on very quickly to the bills
forty one jets ten. We talked about the slot. So
here's what I'm gonna do. Tax I've got a stop
watch right now. You have ninety seconds to discuss whatever
you want to discuss from this game, if even you
need that long, and you can start right now. I
don't need to say anything like this is a game
where I'd be more interested in your takes, to be

(48:48):
honest with you, just because I'm frustrated with the way
quincy An has been used. He's playing on the perimeter,
which is just bad. Germaine curse is not very good.
I don't know why he's out there Isaiah Crowell, you
know in touchdown or bust. Basically, what can you take
away from this game? Is it that you watch this
entire game? What? What? What did you take away from it? Okay,
first of all, I appreciate that you think that much

(49:09):
for my fandom, but even I did not watch all
of this game because I really wanted to focus on
other games that actually mattered. I'm look, what do you
want man, My takeaway is that this coaching staff is
terrible and the team is completely dysfunctional, and I assume
that they're going to have a new coach by the
time they get off their bye week in week eleven.
It's just it's it's absolutely going to where you mentioned it.
The En with thing makes me want to rip my

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hair out because he's been incredibly successful in the slot.
So when curse comes in, he plays a slot. So
what do you do want it? You just moving and
went to the outside. That makes no sense whatsoever. It
is maddening. But frankly, I mean I feel like, you know,
my therapist will hear a lot about it um this week,
And by my therapist, I mean my wife. But still whatever, um,
you know on the bill side that I can't even
talk about the Jets on the bill side, the ball,

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you know, Las Ramaccay is a huge game. But you know,
Matt Barkley, I Josh Allen is going to be back
after the bye. I assume that they will make him
the starter again unless they are somehow by this Matt
Barkley game. But other than Lea Shaw McCoy, you were
not starting anyone on the Bills, correct, correct apps of fregolutely.
I did think that Zay Jones was like an interesting
play this week. I will say that because the Jets

(50:11):
have been just pounded. Buster screen is terrible, and Zay
Jones love and targets eight catches for ninety three yards
in a touchdown. I didn't have the cohonas to play
him in DFS, but I did like the matchup. Yeah, well,
with Matt Barkley at the helm, it didn't look like
it was going to go quite as good as it did.
But that was really just disgusting. We're going to move
on at this point to the Redskins sixteen bucks three.

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You know, almost equally unwatchable game, but for very different reasons.
I mean, look, if you started anyone on either of
these teams other than maybe Josh Dockson or Chris Godwin,
who had seven targets, seven catches for a hundred of yards,
yeah Dockson, four catches on, four targets for forty six
yards with a touchdown, You're probably pretty mad unless you
started one of those two guys. So I talk, what

(50:52):
do you want to say about the scam tags other
than oh boy, it was unwatchable, It was actually one
of the worst games of twenty eighteen, though, I think
I've watched, Yeah, and I watched quite a bit deal
this one. Ryan Fitzpatrick continually made bad decisions, bad throws.
There was one of four lateral pass like he was
like five yards beyond the line of scrimmage and then
he just decided to throw the ball like he was
straight d gaffing it out there. And that's the that's

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the thing is like, if you watched that game, it
was Ryan Fitzpatrick, Like I don't. The whole Fitzmagrick thing
is cute and it was a fun story to follow.
And even though he threw for four hundred yards, he
had a bad game. He had a terrible game, and
the offense was never really the problem. So I have
no idea why Dirk Cutter took away the offensive play
calling duties for Muncan. But yeah, Ryan Fitzpatrick, there's a
reason he's been passed from the team to team. There's
a reason he hasn't. He's not going to just develop

(51:34):
into a franchise quarterback. I mean, what season was he in,
Like he has to be closing in on ten seasons, right, Yeah,
I think so. Even more than that, Frank I don't
know how many teams he's played for seven, I don't
even know. Whatever. Got kudos to the guy who's had
a nice career. But yeah, if you're relying you know
tags idea the trade chart every week and one of
the guys, you know, people interact with me about it,

(51:55):
which I love, by the way, And one of the
things a guy asked, he was like, well, you know,
why isn't fits on the trade chart? And I basically
I was sort of taken a back a little bit.
I was like, Number one, don't trade for a quarterback,
which I basically say every single time. You know, you
can stream your way to a championship without question. But
number two, this is why fitz is not on the
trade chart. I mean, I don't know if he's going

(52:15):
to start next week necessarily, but regardless, this is always
a possibility coming in. So if you're relying on Ryan Fitzpatrick,
it just just don't you know, really, don't you basically
have to have no other You might not have a
starter the next time they play. Yes, that is also true.
Chargers twenty Raiders six. This game just ended right as
we started going, um, look for the charters kind of
I don't really think there's all that much to discuss.

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Kind of a pedestrian game from Rivers. He just didn't
need to do much. He does throw two touchdown passes,
but just two hundred twenty three yards touching. Melvin Gordon,
in case you didn't know, is a complete stud. He
does have the touchdown through the air. Keenan Allen our
boy start again, continues his second half surge right now.
Nine targets, six catches, fifty seven yards in touchdown anything
from the Charger side of the ball. No, not really. Um,

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I mean this was divisional game, and that's the thing
is like Rivers I never really I didn't know how
to trust Rivers this week, just because it's like there
are so many things that you could do against the
Raiders defense, you know, with the with the wildfires out
there in California. They said the air was like not
very good. The Raiders couldn't practice outside. There were a
lot of X factors in this game. So I mean
to see Rivers not have like the greatest game in
a divisional showdown, it doesn't surprise me. It seems like

(53:21):
the Chargers always have difficulty in division and the Chargers
have these games from time to time anyway, Like I
talked about that, like, do you know, do you remember
the game? Like I think it was two years ago
when the Browns hadn't had a win all season and
then they ended up winning the Was it a week
seventeen game against the Chargers? A week sixteen were they won?
The Chargers lost that game to the Browns and gave
Hugh Jackson a win that was like one of his

(53:41):
two wins, and I think the Browns and kept his
job for another a year and a half exactly. But yeah,
the Chargers are just known to do this from time
to time. I don't want to take away too much,
is honestly. I think if they needed to, he could
have had a much bigger day that that's really in
the end what I think it was. I mean, they
didn't pull away really till in the second half, but
I do think that push comes the shot. They could

(54:03):
have done a lot more on the other side of
the ball, just black. I mean, if that's what you
want to say about the Raiders, is there anything are
you starting anybody on the Raiders going forward? I mean,
Doug Martin is like a better version of Peyton Barber.
I think I mean, like they're both guys that are
going to receive fifteen carries per game or fifteen touches
per game. However, what you want to look at it,
and Doug Martin has been somewhat okay on the touches

(54:24):
that he's received as the starter. Jalen Richard is okay
PPR option. He saw another six targets today, caught five
balls for fifty two yards. So it just really depends
on what you're looking for. There's nobody that's gonna win
you a league here, that's for sure, including Jared Cook.
Like people want to continue to rank Jared Cook. I
think he was the number four tight end in the
rankings this week, and I didn't understand it. I don't
understand why people continue to play him. It's like, it's like,

(54:45):
we have we not watched this guy for his entire career.
Do we not know that he's going to have big
games from time to time. He's a big freak athletically,
but he's not a great football player. And Derek Carr
is just Derek Carr. He actually threw the ball into
the ground on fourth down. Oh I saw that. I
know it was legitimately. I thought I was, you know,
because I had it on mute because we were preparing
for the podcast, and I thought that I was mistaken

(55:06):
that it must have been third down or something. I
look back to the screen, I was like, wait a minute,
did they just change the graphic to go to fourth
down now or did he just do that on fourthdown?
And uh, sure enough he did that on fourthdown. Yeah. No,
he's playing terribly. The entire offense is playing terribly. I look,
if you want fifteen carries for sixty yards, Doug Martin's
your guy. Other than that, I would be avoiding Packers
thirty one Dolphins twelve. Um. You know, not a huge

(55:29):
fantasy day from Aaron Rodgers. But he definitely looked healthier
than I've seen him look in a long time. I
think he may have shed the knee brace. I think
ever since they're by he ditched it. So again against
the Rams, I think he ditched the brace. Yeah, he
looked great, And I mean, Aaron Jones, this is it.
It's done. Fifteen carries, one hundred and forty five yards,
two touchdowns. I mean, where is the rest of season

(55:49):
for you? He's He's someone that I should that I
debated putting ahead at Trubisky for the biggest winner of
the week just because Aaron Jones was after him fumbling
on the potential go ahead drive for the Packers. Again
it's the Patriots. I was worried because Mike McCarthy has
done dumber things. Let's be honest. He's done dumber things
than leave Aaron Jones on the bench for Jamal Williams,
who's plotting along. But it was reassuring to see him

(56:11):
come out and get fifteen carries to three carries for
Jamal Williams. Jones got all five targets. Williams didn't see
any targets in the passing game, so it's clear this
is Aaron Jones backfield. And we saw Eddie Lacey, Eddie
Friggan Lacy, who's out of the NFL right now, finishes
a top five running back multiple times in this offense.
So regardless of Mike McCarthy's ineptitude as a coach, I

(56:31):
do think he's fired at the end of this year,
by the way, if not before then, if they if
they get eliminated from the playoff race, I think he
gets fired. But Aaron Jones is he's writing that Nick
Chubb territory, like he plays in a better offense. He
may not see the guaranteed work that Chubb does in
terms of that much volume, but Aaron Jones is definitely
up there. Like I would, I'd probably put him as
my number fifteen or sixteen running back the rest of season. Yeah,

(56:53):
I'll have him right around there. It was really really
encouraging that in any game that they largely controlled, Jamal
Williams saw just three carries. I mean that it's it's
Jones's backfield. He completely has trussed. And you know, I
think all fantasy owners and Aaron Rodgers are hoping that
Mike McCarthy gets fired. Everybody except for Terry Bradshaw, who
I don't know if you ever saw that one, but yeah,
Terry Bradshaw, on case you didn't never see that clip,

(57:13):
he basically essentially said that if he had to choose
between Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, he would choose Mike McCarthy.
Terry Bradshaw was just mad that Aaron Rodgers is better,
like ten times better than the quarterback he was. Terry
Bradshaw wasn't even that good. I think in the end,
no matter who you root for and I take solace
in this. As a Jets man, you can just at
least feel happy about the fact that Terry Bradshaw is
not your GM. He could work. That's true. Yeah, that's fair.

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On the other side of the ball, I mean, the
Dolphins continue their trend of not scoring an offensive touchdown
since the Nixon administration. Essentially at this point, they scored
twelve points all field goals. Kenyan Drake I believe left
the game with a shoulder injury, but I think he
came back in towards the end, but he doesn't get
much work. Frank Ord Dominus carries, what do you want
to say about this dumpster fire of a situation? Yeah,
it's really bad. It's it's really bad that you could

(58:01):
stop there tags. I mean, I'm not kidding there. You know,
if you want to take away anything, go ahead. But
Devantae Parker, I mean, like, so brock Aswa missed him
on a couple of throws, DeVante Parker dropped another one
or two. Like he didn't look very good this game.
Kenny Stills is not being utilized in the offense down
the field, which is kind of crazy because the Packers
secondary is hurting right now. I thought they could have
used him there. Kenyan Drake saw one less target than

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Frank Gore. Yes, he left the game for a little bit,
but if he returned, I'm so tired of it. Like
Frank Gore had a thirty nine yard run, which is
the reason he wound up with ninety yards in the ground.
But and that was like right off the bat, right,
wasn't that his first carry or something like that. He
had some huge carry. Yeah, it was. It was the
start of the game. It was in the first quarter.
It was an ugly game by this offense. I think
they have to go back to Ryan Tannehill because it's

(58:42):
just kind of like Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, like Oswaller
came out of the gate, played well against the Bears
and the Lions. I won't take that away from him.
He played, and then he's really struggled the last three weeks,
like he hasn't played well at all. Oh, I mean tags,
I'll be honest, that is the grossest understatement I've ever heard.
He misses guys wide open, guy buy a ridiculous amount.
And sometimes you watch, just as a casual fan, You're like,

(59:03):
I don't understand your whole life has been about growing football.
How is it possible that you can overthrow a guy
by twenty feet when he's right there. But you know,
the one thing I will say to the extent you're
trying to maintain any optimism on the Dolphins. I mean,
there's a lot of conflicting reports about Tennell. I know
he said that he's aiming to come back after the
week eleven by I think it's against the Colts, but
I have heard a lot of things that suggest that

(59:25):
that is not going to happen, and it may be
Brockos while or for you know, whether it's the rest
of the season or for the foreseeable future. So it's
not a good situation. Unfortunately. I hope Tennel comes back,
which could make certain players on that team useful, but
I would not expect it a final game. And this
was still going on as we started recording Rams thirty
six Seahawks thirty one. Pretty exciting game. Actually, you mentioned

(59:46):
Cooper Cup. I don't know if there has been anywhere.
You'll probably have worded by tomorrow. It did not look good.
I mean it looked like a non contact injury. You know,
Brandon Cooks has the big game. He has one hundred
yards receiving. He also scores on the rushing touchdown. What
do you want to take away here from the Rams,
oh Man, that they overcame a really tough matchup. The
Seahawks have been playing phenomenal football this year, their defense especially,
you know, talking about the defenses. I really can't get

(01:00:07):
over what they've overcome this year with all the losses
they've had on defense. They don't have the big name
brands anymore, but they've been playing phenomenal. So to see them,
you know somewhat, I mean, I don't want to say that,
like they held them in check this week, but that's
what I'm saying. It's like Sean McVeagh kind of overcomes
this and like he can play against any defense in
the world. It's gotten to the point where it's like
when I go through the matchups for the week and
I look at things, it's like you almost want to

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take out what the Rams have done against a defense
because they do it against everyone. And you know, like
when I have to say something like this team has
allowed seven wide receiver one performances, but three of them
came to the Rams, so they're actually technically probably a
pretty good defense. It's really tough, Like Sean mcvayh is
making my life harder. I just want to say that.
But he's such a good play caller. I think Tony

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Romo said it best. And that's why Tony Romo I
really wonder if he would be a phenomenal coach. I
think he's a great booth analyst. And he was talking
about it during that game. I always try and listen
to Romo when I can, but he is so he
was saying that he only runs so many plays. He's like, honestly,
I think you can cut down his playbook to like
seven plays that he'll run. And what he does is
he has different variations of who the ball is going

(01:01:09):
to go to. And it's just like if you if
you run the same thing over and over, the defense
is going to trend towards that and they're just going
to flip the play to someone else. And like, they
do it so well and they keep you guessing. And
even though this offense is so concentrated in the fact
that Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods, and Cooper Cup produce every
single week and Todd Gurley defenses still can't stop them,
Like they legitimately can't do it, and it's it's a

(01:01:31):
miracle to watch. Sean McVay is kind of like a
he's a genius in the NFL. And I don't think
you should be scared to play these guys against any
defense in the NFL. No, certainly not. And I mean
the Monday night game next week. You mentioned it against
the Chiefs. That's gonna be so when there are a
lot of exciting offenses. Frankly, I mean McVay is great.
Sean Payton, of course, continues to I mean, this is
the best the Saints offenses look that in forever, basically

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from when I can recall. The Chiefs offense is phenomenal.
So yet it's a pretty exciting time, frankly, on the
offensive side of the ball. On the other side, you know,
the Seahawks. You know, it's a pretty nice game from
the play callers. But I you know, the thing will
focus on is you mentioned it. I believe in your
Waiver Wire column your early pickups was Rashad Penny. Chris
Carson was out on this one. Mike Davis got eleven carries,
but Rashad Penny looked awesome. Twelve carries, one hundred and

(01:02:15):
eight yards and a touchdown. Is Rashad Penny the back
to own in Seattle going forward? I don't know. I
really don't know. I wish I could tell you that.
I really wish I could, because the Seahawks, they are
going to be playing on Thursday Night football this week
against the Packers, so you kind of I mean, I
wish we knew. It'd be nice if if Chris Carson
remained out with that himp injury, and I tend to
think that he is going to be out. He didn't

(01:02:36):
practice this past week. I know he was a game
time decision, but I don't think he was ever going
to play, And knowing that the game's on Thursday, I
don't know if he does this week, but it's you
have you run the risk of him leaving again with
another injury. This is a backfield that I hate being
a part of, Like I hate having any stock in
this backfield because you never know what they're going to do.
But knowing that Rashad Penny looked so good, it's difficult
to keep them off the field. Like he was the

(01:02:59):
first round pick. I mean, if they continue to leave
him on the bench, they just look dumber as a franchise,
so it's like you might as well put him out
there and let him play. Well. Management obviously wants him
to play. That's why they drafted him necessarily, and I agree.
I really didn't think Chris Carson had much of a
chance to play. I know they kept it kind of
close to the vest, but I kind of, you know,
I probably want to Penny ranked the highest of the

(01:03:19):
Seattle Backs, but I really would not be shocked if
he is the most valuable going forward. The only other
thing I'll mentioned about this game, Russell Wilson continues to
be incredibly efficient, which it's touchdown rate, but the great
thing about it was nine carries for ninety two yards,
and that really is what you want to see. For me,
what's been holding me back from pushing Wilson up to
that back, up to that upper echelon is the fact
that he hasn't run. And last week I think he

(01:03:40):
ran for something like forty one forty two yards or something,
and this week he put it on even more. So
that's a really good sign if you're a Russell Wilson owner.
I'm pretty mad about Russell Wilson what he did today
because I had him ranked outside my top twelve quarterbacks,
and I said that there was a lot of quarterbacks
I'd play over him because in division over the last
two years and now it's actually we could extend this
to ten games in the division over the last two years,

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he has not thrown for more than two hundred and
thirty eight yards. Touchdowns were always going to regress for him,
but the ninety two rushing yards that's what did me in.
I'm gonna be screwed. And then the expert accuracy competition
because he put up twenty eight Fantasy points. That hurts. Well,
you were number one last week, I believe, so you
can afford the little hit. And Frankly Russell Wilson, if
you're listening, you are on Mike Teaglier's bad list, so

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you know, get get ahold of yourself. But he's on
a lot of my teams though, and I benched him,
so I'm sorry. Well it's mixed emotions of everybody. So well,
I'll have to say, well that's it for today's show.
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