Week 11 Lineup Advice: Starts, Sits, Player Debates, and TD Calls (Ep. 1840)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joined as i am every Thursday, by Jake
Seeley from The Athletic and by Pat fitz Morris. We're
talking must starts, must sits, waiver ads, are we starting
our sitting them, and of course doing our touchdown calls
at the end of the show. As always reminder for everybody,
all of our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tears

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can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. Those
week eleven rankings are up with the games starting tonight,
though hopefully you're not starting too many players in tonight's
game if you're watching this before that game kicks off.
We're gonna start as we always do, guys, with the
popular waiver ads. But first we have to address the

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lovely hat that Jake.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Has shown up to this show with.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, I tried it three different ways so like I
wrote it, and it went too high up here where
it didn't even show, and then it was just above
the bram, and because of the bram, like I realized
it wasn't gonna show well on camera. So not only
can you see a little bit better, that says Vidal rules,
Jake drools, but also having to wear it like this
makes it even worse. So I mean that's just a
role of it is because Vandal was not an RB

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three by any stretch that he was. I will say
that he was an RB three until that touchdown at
the end of the game. Actually I think he was
a borderline RB two. But he got there. He got
there by the volume. That fits it, like the big
difference fits. Like we were talking about before the show,
it was volume.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
It was volume.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It was like he was one of the worst EPA
running backs last week. But Fitz's argument was the volume
was going to get there there. I was concerned that
he wasn't good enough to get the volume. Again, Fitz
wins that one. Yeah, Vidal was an RB one, he rules.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I dule.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
We uh a lot of that conference. By the way,
just in case anybody missed it. Last week, there was
a very heated, just emphatic back and forth between Jake
and Fitz.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
We both ended up each other.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, so is Videl
versus Breist Hall and they were both good. Hall technically
did get was a little better by like I think
fitz He said, is what one point seven points or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Leave so but both guys actually yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
I mean maya culpa. Like I argued the case that
Videll was a better start than Breis Hall, and you know,
they both hit. They both got over one hundred scrimmage
yards and a touchdown, but I think Breshall did have
one point seven more.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it was one point fantasy points.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
So I mean to the hundreds of viewers and listeners
out there who were trying to decide between Bresaw and
Kamani Videll, uh listened to my well reasoned arguments and
started by Dell over Bresall and lost by less than
two points.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Group of people, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
So it should be me issuing the maya culpa. Not so.
I mean I cost hundreds of people wins in fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Obviously, you maybe cost dozens.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I was dozens. I was gonna say single digits. But
the reason I had this green hats was my costume
from last year for Halloween was that breakdancer from the Olympics.
So I actually had the hat already. So yeah, yeah,
I had I had to get rid of basically, but
I don't know how long it's gonna last. Is itchy
as hell in this direction, so I don't think I'm
gonna make it. I'll leave it on, but I might

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have to turn it forward.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So, Jake, for as as strong as you were arguing
about Jarrett Patterson last week, where is he ranked for
you this?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I wasn't arguing for Jared Patterson.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I just arguing just that he was eating.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
I wonder where it likes we're gonna talk about by
now later. But Jared Patterson, I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling
his way. He's outside the top forty. So there.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I did have to include a this year, so we
had to run it back, okay, Alter, Yeah, all right,
let's get into those waiver ads here and decide if
we're starting or sitting these folks. Not a ton of
like very obvious big names on the waiver wire. In fact,
I cut out some of the names that were higher

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up on the priority list because we just talked about
them last week. One of them actually is Alec Pierce,
even though he's on by this week, so of course
we're not starting him this week. I didn't include him either,
so I tried to throw in you know a few
newer names that were still high on the list of
our waiver priorities consensus rankings this week.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
But maybe not quite as high.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'll start with Malik Washington with the Dolphins obviously has
gotten more of an opportunity ever since Tarry Kill went down.
This is a good player, Like Fitz, you and I
thought this was a good player coming out of college.
We really liked him at Virginia when we were doing
the Dynasty Show. It's kind of like a you know,
a rookie dart throw, and he's now kind of moving
up these It's slowly but surely. I think, you know,

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going into this week of waiver ads, he was still
under twenty percent rostered, but slowly but surely getting a.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Little bit higher. With some more opportunity here.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think we have to say he's been kind of
a disappointment since the Tyreek Hill injury. So I don't know,
maybe you could start him in a full point PPR league.
I understand the d stink to take advantage of the
matchup and target the commander's pass defense with a wide
receiver this week, but Malik Washington is just such an
unconventional wide receiver since Tyreek Hill went down, Washington is

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averaging three point seven catches and twenty four point two
receiving yards. His highest single game yardage total of the
season is forty eight yards. Second highest thirty six yards.
He's had a touchdown in two of his last three games,
but those are his only two touchdowns of the season.
He does add a little bit of rushing value thirteen
carries for seventy eight yards on the season, but that's
not really something to hang or had on. Again. I

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want to love the matchup with the Commanders, but with
Malik Washington averaging six point four yards per catch this
season and having an averaged up to the target of
four point four yards, I'm just not sure he's the
guy who can capitalize on a bad secondary, Jake.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean bad secondary might be putting it kindly for
the Commander's the way they've been playing the last couple
of weeks. Does the matchup make you want to consider
starting washing at all?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And nothing? I agree with everything Fitz said. I was
going to say he's floor if that I mean he
brought up all the numbers. So you want to talk
about airy rs per target to four point one per
targets since Tyrrek Hill left to do what Fitz was
talking about, if on the full season, I can't imagine
it's much better man even be worse than that. And
you had the touchdown helped a little bit. But if
it was he was getting nine targets a game. Sure,

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But as we just saw last week, if you want
a super I want to spoil it. I don't think
you have him on the list. Let me just double check. Now,
if you're super deep sleeper Greg dultchit at tight tight end.
I mean they're they're going to fill in the Darren
Waller role apparently. And that's the point here, is what
Fitz said, is we wanted more for Washington. We thought
there would be more. He is a dynamic player. But
they're just not using him any way that differently than

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he should be or differently and they should be. To
make that clear, is what I was trying to say.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, let's let's go to a running back Tyler Al's
year and this is somebody that has been discussed before.
Obviously there's a significant upside if Bijon were to ever
go down, But even with Bijon healthy, Algier has continued
to score lots of fantasy points, largely on the back
of touchdowns. I have him in a few different leagues
and have never once gotten it right predicting the week

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he gets in the end zone in the weeks he doesn't,
So that's been a frustration. Jake, I'll start with you
on Al's year. Is he somebody that like, if you're
in a pinch at running back? I mean, he's RB
thirty five in the consensus rankings, which is kind of
in that borderline area of you know, if you're in
a really deep league or need a flex, is he
somebody that you're interested in starting potentially?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I mean I have him in RB thirty and I
know the last time they faced the Panthers is everybody
was like, Oh, they're gonna wax the Panthers. This is
why we want them, because they'll probably get ten touches
and then that one and as sideways as it could,
this is just sports or sports, they lost thirty to
nothing and then we barely I think he had one
touch in that game. The interesting thing about Al Yeer
is not even so much Algier in his own right
Bijeon Robinson, including snaps out wide, not just in the slot,

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out wide is now running the second most routes in
front of Darnell Mooney over the last three weeks, like
they're using him as a wide receiver. And I bring
that up to say, is like I'm not concerned about
Bjon Robinson, but this is like Tyler Algier can now
be coming to the conversation of a David Montgomery and
you say, like, you don't know, we get the weeks right, Well,
that's kind of the David Montgomery game that we have

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to play. That's why you put him in your flex
and you just kind of take the lumps because you
know there's weekly RB one upside. Probably most weeks you're
going to get RB two value because they'll have enough
touches to produce like back end RB two, but the
lumps will come. Well, there'll be weeks whereas three touches,
five touches, there was nothing there. So I think that's
the comparison I would make is going forward to put
Algier in like the Korum David Montgomery, those kind of

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running backs where they're your flex option and you're gonna
get volatility, but you can play them there.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Fitz, do you feel like so when you look at
his you know season stats from previous years. This is
the most touchdowns of Tyler Al'sier's career in half the
carries that he's had in any other you know, full season.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So do you feel like.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
There's a concentrated effort by the Falcons to use him
more there or do you just feel like this has
always kind of been He's like eating a little bit
into Bijon's role and they're just getting more of these
opportunities in previous years because it's a pretty big jump.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Up concentrated effort. I think carries inside the ten yard
line this year it's Algier thirteen and Bjon Robinson five,
So they do prefer I don't know, I just something
where I think the Falcons prefer to get Bijon Robinson
in space. And this sort of goes to what Jake
is talking about with Bijon and his route running, Like

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they feel great about Bijon until they get close to
the goal line and then I think they feel like
they just want to kind of bang it in with
Tyler Algier. So on one hand, I don't want to
chase touchdowns. And Algier scored twice last week, giving him
six touchdowns on the year. Makes them more appealing this week,
of course, But on the other hand, like there is
a usage baseline here. Algier has gotten ten or more

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carries in three of the four Falcons home games, and
the only home game where he didn't get double digit carries.
Oddly enough, Jake was talking about that spot where we
thought Algier might crosh against the Panthers. The Falcons unexpectedly
got their doors blown off at home by the Dolphins
a few weeks ago, and that was the one time
Algier didn't get double digit carries in a home game.

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So if you're a Jonathan Taylor investor trying to figure
out what to do in JT's bye week, you could
definitely do worse than Tyler Algier.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So you think fits that they're going to do better
than losing thirty to nothing against the Panthers this time around,
you would hope.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
So so yeah, I mean, like, I don't think he's
quite on the David Montgomery tier. I would put Tyler
Alger a tier below that, but I think he's certainly there.
With the Titans two running backs Pollard and Spears, I
think he's you know, I think he's a better play
than Jordan Mason this week.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
One more player here in the waiver wire section, Tes Johnson,
who is why if you were thirty five? Very similar
range on the wide receiver side as els Year is
on the running back side. Fits, is Johnson somebody against
the Bills that you're interested in potentially starting.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
I'm on board with Tes. He is wide receiver eighteen
and fantasy points per game over his last four games.
I do think we need to be wary of touchdown
dependent production. And Tees has scored four touchdowns in his
last four games, but Test has averaged forty seven yards
over that stretch. That's pretty respectable. At least forty two
yards in all four of those games. So there is

(11:30):
a reasonably sturdy floor here. And Tes has tied to
a good quarterback with Baker Mayfield Buccaneers. Bill says, some
shoot up potential. Yeah, I think Tes is very startable.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
This week, Jake, you clearly think Tess is very startable
because and this is why I did him last, because.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
He is in your plant, your flag player this week.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, that's two weeks and already did that for me.
I appreciate that. So what Fitz was just saying that
since he's been the starter the last four games, it's
Tess Johnson's usage. Like I know the first game was
that one big cash in the touchdown, but I'm also
looking at the last three games, especially the last two,
is that the rapport with Baker Mayfield is starting to develop.
And that's what we really like to see is kind
of like I drew the comparison when this first start

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at the Troy Franklin, everybody's still talking about Ohn. Troy
Flanklin is like fifty to fifty catching those balls from
bon Nicks downfield, Like they can't gait that chemistry going downfield,
which is crazy to think about, but Tess and Baker
are And the bigger thing is I agree with it's
always risky to rely on touchdowns and we were talking
about Tes Johnson hasn't hit one hundred yards yet in
his four games as the starter, but he is seeing

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a good target share. He's seeing over twelve yards per target.
And the biggest thing, to go back to the touchdowns,
he has four end zone targets in those four games.
Like the fact that is Baker is looking for him,
and that's what makes it advantageous as the number two
is that he has that report that's developed with Baker.
And then I pulled this stat It was in my
column this week. I thought it was crazy to think
about Baker Mayfield actually averages more first downs and touchdowns

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per attempt when under pressure than when not. And the
Bills have the second highest pressure rate on quarterbacks this year.
So that's another good thing is Baker Mayfield did in
this opportunity. Might even see a better game than we
normally see him because he's like, as somebody said in
the discord chat, pressure cooker make Mayfield, and I like, like,
are wait say pressure Yeah, pressure cooker Mayfield. I think

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I'll go with that one. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I like that too. Sorry, did you say, Jake, where
do you have tes Ryn?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I didn't say, but I have him at twenty eight
twenty eight? Okay son seven over consensus?

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah I might be. Oh you said twenty eighth.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Or twenty ninety nine and I was.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Off by ECRs wide receiver thirty five.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
No, I do have a twenty eight yet seven ahead?
Yeah all right.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I'm also above consensus wide receiver thirty three. Oh you
hate him though?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
This is this is the new fight.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Next week, Fit's will be wearing the hat that says
TZ rules fits rules.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's harder to run on a hat that you think
I'm just saying I believe it.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I believe it, all right.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
So that was Jake's plant your flag player for the
week that he really has conviction fits.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Let's go to your play your flag player.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
It's t Higgins And I'm not going out on a
huge limb here, but in four games with Joe Flacco,
T Higgins has scored four touchdowns and averaged eighty point
eight receiving yards. He's had five or more catches in
all but one of those games. And one of the
four games T Higgins has played with Joe Flacco was
against the Steelers, which is who the Bengals are playing
this week. Higgins had six catches for ninety six yards

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in a touchdown. And by the way, the Steelers have
been getting barbecued by outside receivers pretty much on a
weekly basis. Alec Pearson Michael Pittman combined for two hundred
and thirty yards against them a couple weeks ago. Chasin
Higgins two hundred and fifty seven yards and two touchdowns
combined against Pittsburgh. Christian Watson more than eighty yards unlimited snaps.

(14:46):
I think t Higgins is going off this week. I'm
not sure why he's ranked as like a mid range
wide receiver two. I think he's a wide receiver one
this week. Or do you have him Jay twelve?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm at twelve two, so run the same page.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
He's fifteenth in ECR, so part to go back.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
To this by Dell thing too. Part of the reason
I was also off of them last week is because
the Steelers have just been destroyed in the passing game,
and the Chargers are one of the higher passover expectancy
and neutral game scripts and all that type of stuff,
so I was expecting more passing, but they were just
that was the other part about it. I will give
the Chargers credit on that offensive line. I don't know
what they figured out during that game, and of course
they lost another piece, but they were opening lanes against

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that Steelers defensive front, and maybe that was the Steelers
game plan. Is they knew that about the Chargers and
they decided to play back more, which is if you
watch the game they did, I didn't expect it to
be that bad. But that's the thing, is I like
attacking the same thing fits is is the passing defense
which is almost non existent for the Steelers, and Joe
Flacco has been on fire. I have Higgins at spoiler.
We're talking about him later, but I do have Higgins

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in front of Justin Jefferson, George Pickens, AJ Brown and
others at twelve. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
The game against the Steelers, he was wide receiver twelve.
It's only the one of only two games this season
that he's been inside the top twenty five. The other
one was, of course, against Chicago when he was wide
receiver two. That's in half PPR score.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Oh, he wasn't clicking with Jake Browning at quarterback. Who
the thought'll figure?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
All right?

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Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, guys, let's getting to the player debates here.
Starting off at running back, I'll start with you fits,
DeAndre Swift or Aaron Jones. A couple of running backs
facing each other in a divisional matchup.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
DeAndre Swift or Aaron Jones? Who do you like better?

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah? This was a good one. Worm. Got to give
you credit for coming up with sort of guys with
parallel usage. Maybe both of these guys are are kind
of sort of sharing work with other backs. Swift shares
with Comana guy, Jones shares with Jordan Mason, and both
Swift and Shall sort of asserted their alpha status and
their respective backfields last week with big snap and touch majorities.

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These guys face each other. Jones does have the slightly
easier matchup he's at home and the Bears are giving
up about two more fantasy points per game than the
Vikings are, but Swift as a far better offensive line
in front of him. The Bears offensive line ranks third
in adjusted lineyards and they're graded fifth best and run
blocking by PFF. I think the Vikings are tenth and

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adjusted lineyards nineteenth and PFF grade for run blocking. I
just I think the Bears have a better overall offense
than the Vikings, and I certainly think the Bears have
a better quarterback than the Vikings. So give me the
running back with a better ecosystem, and in that case,
this case, I think it's Deandro Swift.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Jake, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I have him back to back and everything fits aid.
I mean, I can't disagree with, but I'll disagree on
one thing. I'm just going to attack the defense. And
I think that if one thing is the Bears defense
is more vulnerable than the Vikings. So I go Aaron
Jones legitimately one spot in front of DeAndre Swift. If
you want to argue the other direction, I have no problem.
I think the biggest takeaway here is that let's not

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get too hung up in the running back versus running back.
And I'm not coming for you by having this toss
up worm. But what fits said is like what it
was going to be My point if I went first,
is that you know, we had Aaron Jones get hurt
in the previous game and then get seventy percent of
the workload, which was his biggest of the year, and
that he is clearly the lead. DeAndre Swift is clearly
the lead manan guy saved his day with the touchdown
but got essentially kicked back to his old role. And

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that's the biggest takeaways. Both of these guys are the
lead options, no questions asked, So if you want to
go either direction, hopefully you're able to start both of them,
especially with a lot of questions at running back this week,
including no Benson.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Still, I was I was going to ask you that, Jake.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
So like they are back to back in ECR as
well to RB nineteen and RB twenty. Does that feel
so obviously you agree with them being back to back?
Does that feel like the right range for them to be?
Would you bump the two of them together up or
down at all? Or is nineteen and twenty sound right?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It sounds actually it's right because I have them the
opposite direction at nineteen and twenty, and I would off
the names that they're in front of. But we're pretty
much talking about three to the next four names. I
have them in front of I'll give you the one
that we're not talking about. I have Kareem Hunt at
twenty three with no but Checko. But like, i'd even
start both of them in front of Hunt.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, do you agree with that?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Fits both of them in front of five, and also
that nineteen twenty is kind of the right range there.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, I mean I've got Swift eighteen and Jones twenty four.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Ooh, that's a pretty decent gap.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not one hundred percent convinced that
the big split we saw last week between Jones and
Jordan Mason is sticky. We'll see. It could be like,
it wouldn't shock me if they just decided Jones is better,
you know, all along in preseason rankings. I know a
lot of people love Mason. I still thought Jones was

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the better player and had him ranked higher pre draft,
But I don't know. We'll see. It wouldn't surprise me
if it worked out more like fifty five, forty five,
sixty forty than the you know seven.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
So you're gonna tell me I need another hat because
I'm actual about the disagree because the first game they
bring back Jones is he had the first two touches
in that game before that game went completely sideways. That
was the one where they barely touched the ball at
all because it got decimated. But then the week that
he got hurt two weeks ago, he was the lead.
Like he actually before he got hurt in that game
was at eighty percent ish in that range. So I

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actually I think fits they're telling us clearly that he is.
And again, maybe I'm prepared to be wrong, but I
think they at least from the last three games that
Jones has been on the field, they have clearly, in
my opinion, told us that he is the lead. Yeah, no,
you could be right, it's just earlier in the season.
Remember you're right, earlier in the season it was shifting towards.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
And it felt like things were kind of shifting toward
Mason a little bit at one point. So it's been
a really hard backfield to read. Quite honestly, I.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Want to ask you guys just quickly.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
We're going to talk about comment on guy more later
in our rapid Fire segment, but I just want to
quickly ask, like, because you're talking about the split on
the Minnesota side. I got so many questions last week
from people asking like what, like, should I start Kamanannguy
this week? And you know, I was like, well, I mean,
I'm not sure why he's going to completely overtake Swift.
You know, obviously he was amazing, but that was with
Swift out and it was against a terrible defense, and

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we had DeAndre Swift getting thirteen carries, kyleman On Guy
getting seven.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Manan Guy, of course is the one who got the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You know, Swift also had eight targets in this game
and on Guy just won. Do you think that that
is the type of ratio we're going to see most
weeks going forward between Swift and Mananguy, something like thirteen
carries to seven with Swift getting more targets fits or
do you think that that will even out or that
gap will widen?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
I think Ben Johnson is much more comfortable with DeAndre
Swift pass blocking these with Kyle mana Guy. Swift is
a good pass blocker. Manangui tries, but I don't think
he's a very good pass blocker, and I think that
kind of matters to Ben Johnson, and I know fantasy
managers don't want to hear about running backs pass blocking,
but it does affect how much you're on the field.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, Jake, we'll get Moretimanogai later, so just quickly, you
can't see it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Similarly, I do I think that if we averaged out
the numbers, because there'll be volatility to depending on game scripts.
But I would say both backfields, in my opinion, I
think are going to be pretty much sixty five thirty
five the rest of the way. With that being Jones
and Swift, let's.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Go to a couple of rookies here, Jake, Woody Marx
or R J. Harvey.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Obviously JK Dobbins getting hurt in the last game. You
know Marx has been a little up and down at
times this season. Obviously, you know that offense is playing
with the backup quarterback at the moment. So when you
look at these two, they're both ranked in the twenties
in ECR. It is currently RB twenty three and RB
twenty five. Who do you like better between those two.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm gonna make my X files reference you don't get again,
but I want to believe.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Woody Marx RB touch percentage when down by seven or
more points is seventy one percent. Anything else any other
time in the game is thirty six percent. The Texas
were down by ten before running Back touched the ball
in that game, so I'm not saying, like, hey, Woody Marks,
he got the start, so you know they put that
out there. But I don't trust this team, especially when
they're talking about like, oh, that wasn't the workload we

(24:05):
expected that. I'm confused, like do you not expect what
you call? Like you are the person in charge, Like
how do we not know what you plan to do
in the game. So I want to believe in Marx
because I believe in Marx the talent. I believe that
he's the better talent than Nick Chubb at this point
of their careers. But I don't believe and that Nick
Chubb is going to get the workload that he did
last week and not potentially lead again, especially the goal

(24:26):
line opportunities. I don't believe in the Texans, and as
a whole that being said, I also don't believe in
Sean Payton, but his hand is kind of forced here,
and I do think when you look at RJ. Harvey
versus Bidet versus Julia McLaughlin, who's been an actor for
most of the season. I do think Harvey will be
the lead. That all being said is, I do have
Harvey with a decent gap over Marx, but I don't

(24:47):
have Harvey as a top fifteen running back because I
think he still might settle only in that thirteen to
fifteen touch range, which I trust more than Marx, and
given both getting thirteen to fifteen touches, I'm going to
trust the Broncos offense more than just a Texas offense.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's funny fits.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was messaging ericson earlier and I was asking him
just as a quick opinion on a start sit decision
that I was trying to make, And as a part
of that conversation, one of the names that I threw
out there was R J. Harvey, and Erickson was like, worm,
come on, it's a Sean Payton offense. Don't trust it, Like,
why are you asking me this question? So he was

(25:23):
definitely fading Harvey despite the Dobbins injury.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Do you see it that way too?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I do see it that way too, And I mean,
listening to Jake talk about this, I think Jake and
I kind of see this the same way. I think
we might just be weighing the inputs a little differently.
So I've Marx ranked either one or two spots higher.
Both of these guys are low end running back. Two
is for me. Here's the thing about R J. Harvey.
In the absence of JK. Dobbins, who has a foot

(25:50):
injury that's gonna put him on the shelf for a while.
Sean Payton is never going to be a monogamous running
back hugheser like he is going to play all of
his running backs. He's never giving one guy all the
snaps and touches. That's just not how Sean Payton rolls.
Ask New Orleans Saints fans about that. Peyton has been
doing the backfield but by committee thing for years, and

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it's not like Sean Payton has been super eager to
give RJ. Harvey a lot of responsibility this season. There's
only been one game this year where Harvey has played
more than one third of the Broncos offensive snaps. So
it's not just going to be the RJ. Harvey show
this week. Tyler Biday is going to get some work.
Julia McLoughlin is going to get some work. It's just
I worry that anyone expecting fifteen to twenty touches for RJ.

(26:35):
Harvey is going to be disappointed. And also he's going
against the Chiefs. The Chiefs run defense not quite as
nasty this year as it's been in recent years, but
it's still pretty good. Marx gets a far better matchup
against the Titans, who've allowed the second most fantasy points
to running backs. I know Mark's usage last week was
largely driven by game scrap. The Texans fell into this

(26:58):
big hole and had to play catch up in the
second half, and that that sort of game script just
favors Marx because he's a better pass catcher than Nick Chubb.
But still, I do think the shift away from Chubb
and toward Marx could stick to some degree, just because
you know, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen
a team ramp up the usage of its rookie running

(27:18):
back in the second half of the season. So I
think Marx is a slightly better play than Harvey this week,
even though I will say the disparity between the offensive
lines here, I mean, Bronco is one of the best
in the league, Texans one of the worst. That's what
kind of brings things closer for me, but mostly because
of the defensive matchup. I'm going with Marx here.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I will say one counterpoint to the game script is
at the last time so Marks had hold on it
was twenty twenty one touches against the Titans. Like that's
you so to your point fast if you wanted to
argue for that. But the very next week when they
sorry weren't but they destroyed the Ravens and explicably he
had seven because they went to Nick Chubb.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
It was explicable. Ravens entire defense was on Io.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So I get, like, that's my concern is like, and
that's where I come down to predictability, like I want
like I actually this is where like say, like, I
hope I'm wrong because I want Marks to be a
thing and I want Marks to be an RB two
the rest of the way. It's just if they go
back to crushing the team and being in the lead
ast the Titans, like and again this guy goes sideways.
We talked about the Panthers and Falcons already, but if

(28:26):
they're out and they're at the goal line and they're
you know, controlling this game by two three scores, like
they're just gonna see stupid Nick Chubb. Sorry love Nick
Chubb at the prime of his career, but at this
point goalway, dude.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
No, I was going to mention actual j That's what
I was gonna say is that, you know, we've seen
the Texans face the Titans before and get out to
a big lead before. And you know, Woody Marx did
have seventeen carries sixty nine yards and a touchdown, and
he had four catches for fifty yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
So everybody thought the next week would be exactly the
same against the Ravens and then nothing.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, uh, that's got some wide receivers here. Speaking of
the Ravens, how about Zay Flowers or DK Metcalf fits
two players that I largely have not liked in a
lot of these debates. Whenever they've come up this year,
I've typically been going on the other side, So I
wanted to put them against each other. They're ranked close
together in ECR Flowers or Metcalf.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Who do you like better?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, I've got Flowers ranked wide receiver eighteen, Metcalf Wide
receiver twenty, and where I know you are probably incredulous
about how Flowers keeps getting ranked so highly. Whether it's
pre draft rankings or in season rankings, flowers ranking always
seems to outpace his actual value. Maybe it's the name, say,
Flowers is a pretty cool name. I don't know, but

(29:38):
I do know. Flowers not having a very impactful season
so far. He's wide receiver twenty nine and a half
point PPR Fantasy points per game. Hasn't really had a
big day since Week one. But Metcalf hasn't been all
that impactful lately either. He's had less than seven half
point PPR fantasy points and three of his last four games.
Hasn't had more than fifty five yards any game during

(30:00):
that four game stretch. But I gotta I mean warrem
Let me ask you whose offense do you like more?
The Ravens are the Steelers? Do you prefer prime age
Lamar Jackson or decrepitt Aaron Rodgers? Do you prefer Todd
Munkin as a play caller or Arthur Smith?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I mean Ravens? Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Lou't know if this is a rhetorical question he actually
wants me to answer, but yes, clearly they're.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
All of these. Seeing the favors A Flowers over DK Metcalf,
I would.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Think outside of Week one, where he was wide receiver
one on the week that big game against the Bills.
Outside of that, Za flowers best finish in half PPR
scoring this season is wide receiver twenty six. He has
not even been a wide receiver two in any other
week since Week one. And again, I mean, I'm not
even gonna waste our times, you know, giving this whole
minute long spiel. Again, I've said it every week. I

(30:50):
feel like he doesn't catch touchdowns. They do not use
him in a way that is producer to catching touchdowns.
Maybe he breaks a long one and you're happy, but
if not, you like are solely relying on yardage and catches.
And he hasn't had eighty yards into games since week
he won. So if you're relying on yard as he catches,
you're not even getting that love the player in real life. Again,
I've been screaming from the mountain tops all year, like,

(31:10):
I just I don't understand how keeps getting ranked as
hig as he is.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I hear you, But we're not getting like deep shot,
high value target DK Metcalf anymore. He's like the wide
receiver screen guy.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Now. Yeah, and That's why I put these two together
because I thought it was a kind of a fitting conversation.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Jake, what do you think Flowers are Metcalf?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, let's talk about our preseason that you and I
brought up in constantly with Za Flowers. Last year, with
forty one touchdowns from Lamar, he wasn't even a top
thirty wide receiver in points per game. Guess what he's
done it this year. He's wide receiver thirty and fantasy
points per game even with and I know Lamar hasn't
been out there the entire time, but as you mentioned,
Zay Flowers one touchdown week one, he was the number

(31:47):
one wide receiver in Week one. Since then, zero fat touchdowns.
You brought it up thirty one, eighty eight, twenty six,
thirty two, forty seven, twenty eight, thirty thirty three, he's
wide receiver thirty. So I'm gonna say all this, I
have DK Metcalf one spot in front of them. This
really comes down to something I talk about a lot.
Do you want the ceiling or do you want the floor?
Zave Flowers is going to give you at least fringe

(32:08):
wide receiver two value right around those twenty five to
thirty range and then maybe he scores a touchdown for
the first time since Week one and hits that. But
like he's more of the floor play because he has
the volume. Look, I mean, look at the targets. Every
single game he has one without five. The difference is
fifth said, everything is one hundred percent right about DK Metcalf.
It's boom or bust, and all of his booms come
with touchdowns because the yards haven't been there. Well, the

(32:30):
boom against the Cincinnati defense, That's what I'm gonna say,
Cincinnati defense at home versus or Ravens going on the
road against the Browns. I'm just going to take that
matchup for the ceiling if you want the floor. Absolutely
agree with Flowers. That's why they're back to.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Back for me. DJ Turner is a pretty tough individual
matchup though, and he covered. He was on DK Metcalf
like eighty percent of DK snaps in the first Bengals
Steelers game, and I think dkd two catches for forty
five yards in that game three for fifty.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
You're very close, very close.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
So yeah, I mean it's just like you see Bengals
and you think it's a great matchup. But it might
not be as great a matchup as it looks like
on paper.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Sure, so I originally when I was putting the show
sheet together, I actually had it as Za Flowers vers
Stefon Diggs, and I remember Diggs is playing Thursday Night.
We try to avoid those players for when this show
comes out. Giggs is actually ranked in ECR between Zay
and DC. I have Digs over then Digs then DK. Okay,
I was gonna ask, so you have digs over both there.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm checking the weather by the way, while
we're talking about this, before I'm looking down, I'm looking
at the weather for both these games because that could
be the determined factor as well. Cleveland is clear forty
four and clear. So you got there's one, and then
what's Pittsburgh because that could be the well, they're both
they're both mid forties clear. There you go, forget the weather,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Fits. What do you think about Diggs compared to these too? Quickly?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
I actually got digs just below both of them. I mean,
I just Diggs is playing like below sixty percent of
the snaps every game, and maybe that shouldn't bother me
as much as it does. But it bothers me.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, one more wide receiver debate here before we get
to the rapid fire section. How about Jamison Williams or
Juwan Jennings. Obviously Williams coming off of a very good
game here, Jake, and you know the big difference, well, hey,
they're facing the Commander's defense, which, as we've mentioned, is
you know, absolutely heinous. But also Dan Campbell calling plays.
And we know Dan Campbell has been a huge fan.

(34:25):
He has talked up Jameson Williams over and over again.
He gets a chance to call plays, Jameson Williams has
this big day. Are you putting stock in that in
terms of going forward or are you saying maybe that
was more of just this great matchup against the Commanders?
How do you like him against Juwan Jennings this week?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
So I want to start both of them. Let me
make that clear. And sorry if I'm repeating myself, because
do so many podcasts and shows, even my own. I
don't remember if I said this on here, But the
Morton effect wasn't affecting the offense too much except for
one specific person. It was Jamison Williams. He kept sending
them on go routes and posts and outs and everything
was just downfield. He turned Jamison willim Is back into

(35:00):
twenty and twenty three Jamison Williams, which is very frustrating,
and we weren't getting the breakout, and Dan Campbell took
over what he'd immediately do. Oh, let's use him over
the middle field. Let's get some yards after the catch.
Let's get him into space, just because you can't do
anything when Jameson Williams gets into space, that being the defense,
so I want to start both. I actually put Jameson
Williams as a buy, even coming off a big game

(35:22):
on my podcast looking for Boys and Sells for the
rest of the season. All that being said, I do
have Juwan Jennings slightly in front of him with the
assumption that Ricky Pearsoll is not returning. If Ricky Piersall
comes back, I would actually jump Jamison Williams just because
it adds another aspect to that offense that Mac Jones
maybe brock Party goes to. I do think brock Party
would use Jennings still quite a bit as the lead

(35:44):
option with Pearsol's first game back, but it just adds
a little bit of risk. So they're close enough now
that as of today that assuming we don't know the quarterback,
put the quarterback aside. But no, Ricky Pearsall, I have Jennings.
If Piersill plays, I would put Jamison in front of him.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Do you see it similarly fits or do you would
you would your decision be made irrespective of Pearsaw.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I think I'm going Jmo no matter what. It would
be closer for sure. It does sound like Pearsaw's coming back.
I don't want to just paraphrasing Kyle Shanahan. He said
something like, oh, I'm told he's completely healthy. Now we'll
see in practice this week, but it sounds like he's
ready to go. So I am getting the impression that

(36:24):
Ricky Pierson.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
He also said his intent as the game, are you
back on the field this year?

Speaker 4 (36:28):
So yeah, Kyle, Kyle Shanahan take everything with you know,
a grain of salt and a lemon wedge like it's
It's definitely not all honesty all the time from him,
Jake said everything you need to say about Jameson Williams,
the usage with Dan Campbell better, and really just the
usage in the two games since the bye, JMO has

(36:50):
ten catches for one hundred and eighty five yards too touchdown.
So yeah, I think we're feeling good about his trajectory.
I do not know what to make of Juwan, Like
I think Juwan Jennings is the hardest player to assess,
really of anyone in fantasy right now. Like I've got
him ranked wide receiver twenty five this week, and that's
three spots below ECR. But I think I still might

(37:12):
be too high on him, Like the peercell factor is
one thing. Jennings is averaging one point three one yards
per route run and six point five yards per target
this season. Those are those are bad numbers. And I
know Jennings has been banged up. It's admirable that he's
been playing hurts. But you know, before Jennings started to

(37:32):
play much bigger role in the offense last season, his
yards per route run numbers for his career were pretty
similar to the one point three to one number he's
put up this year, and then last year at age
twenty seven, all of a sudden, he pops off and
has this big year. And I'm starting to wonder if
the twenty twenty four season was an outlier for Juwan Jennings,
who'd basically been a special teamer before twenty twenty four. Well,

(37:55):
I just I don't know if he's good, is what
it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So I was gonna say, I don't think those things
are necessarily and mutually exclusive. And I can agree with
you that like last year was a factor of no Debo,
no Ayuk or and like so. But the thing that
I go to is that where I agree with everything
you said. You look at the yards for route run,
look at Jenny's the player. Whatever the reason is is
once Debo and Ayuk are gone until and they haven't

(38:20):
found anybody since we all thought it might be piercel Is,
he's the number one. He's just he's treated as the
number one. So I will say, like the biggest concern
is why I bring in piercel Is, why I would
drop him down fits is because if he's not getting seven, eight,
nine targets, because he's not huge in yards for route young,
yards per catch and everything like that, it's the volume
that he's trusted as the number one. And I say

(38:41):
trusted very strongly that if it was only four targets,
then I would have him as a wide receiver four.
Like the volume definitively helped. Put it this way, how
much different is he than Wandell Robinson. He's essentially Wondell
Robinson on the forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, I mean Wandell I think is the more consistent
target earner. I think they're different types of receivers.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Oh no, absolutely, I'm at from a usage standpoint, like
they're both you know, in that five, six, seven, eight
target range over the last couple of games and fits.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Am I misremembering?

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Haven't you talked about feeling like Jennings had a better
chemistry with Brock Purdy and just like once Purdy is back,
thinking that there would be a step up for him.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
I'm optimistic that's going to be the case, because you know,
we had that stretch where Kendrick Bourne turned into a
superstar with mac Jones and Jennings kind of fell by
the wayside. But that was also probably at the height
of Jennings being banged up with the thirteen broken ridge
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
He was got healed in one week.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
So yeah, two sprained ankles.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I believe it was like a high end a low
ankle sprain.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, yeah, But so I don't know, like I just
I feel like there's still a lot of unanswered questions
about Juwan Jennings. And you know, here the guys like
twenty eight and we still don't know what we have
with the guy.

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(41:09):
start sitting decisions here and move quickly through these first
one Zach Sharbona versus Jacorey, Krossky, Merrit and guys like
I'm only asking about Rossky Merrit because he keeps getting
ranked in ECR in an area where I feel like
he can go and be compared to some of these names.
I am tired of bringing him up. I don't want
to talk about Bill on this show anymore. I've been
fading him for weeks. I've just like done thinking about him.

(41:30):
But like I said, he is ranked in an area
where you could make the case for it. And also Miami,
like I know lately they've been playing better, but have
been a very enticing matchup at times in the past.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So for one last week at least.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
For now, I'm including Bill Merritt here in this conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I fits.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I'll start with you, who do you like better, Sharbone
or Crossky, Merrit.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
I had Crossky Merrit ranked higher when I thought Chris
Rodriguez might not play due to his shoulder injury. But
Rodriguez practice on Wednesday looks like he's playing. So I'll
take Sharbone here, Like give me the committee back in
a good versus the committee back and a not so
good offense.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Je Charboney has five top thirty performances and three outside
and one of them was like thirty five six or
somewhere around there. It's frustrating and annoying as this backfield
is the split. One thing that always continues to be
the case with the split is that Sharboney when they
get to the goal line, it's his job. So you know,
I know there's some touchdown variants there, but I mean

(42:24):
that's why it's a fringe RB two to three. But yeah,
I'm with you. I have a huge gap over this,
which probably just means for everybody out there, it's gonna
be a bill week, just like Week one against the Giants,
Like this is what we're gonna say all of a sudden,
and everybody's gonna go nuts and we're gonna have to
talk about him for seven more.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Weeks unless he does have a bill week.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm instituting a moratorium. We're not gonna mention it next week.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
At least, let's go to a wider so we'll leave
the show next week.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, you guys could force my hand actually if you
make your flag plant or something next week. All right,
Wide Receiver A couple of teammates, Troy Franklin versus Courtland Sutton. Obviously,
Sutton has been ranked higher from A the year. Franklin
has been playing really well lately, has the connection with
bow Nicks. So Jake, I'll start with you here, Franklin
or Sutton this week.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I'm going with Troy Franklin, and I know Sutton's gonna
come around, and I will buy low on Sutton. I
actually don't love the Broncos schedule as a whole. Life
had that entire team as a sell looking forward for this.
But if you look at Troy Franklin past three games,
almost thirty one percent of the team target share, Courland
Sunn's eighteen almost fifty percent of the team's air yards
to twenty six for Courtland Sutton. And I know the

(43:27):
pushback is going to be well. It catches only about
half of those receptions well, even so, he still has
almost twice as many receptions and three touchdowns to one
for Sutton. So it's not like I have a huge gap.
They're actually both in the same tier. But at this point,
with how many opportunities, Franklin is at least getting downfield
and they continue to bon Nix continues to throw to them.
I'm going to give Franklin the slightest of edges over Sutton. Again,

(43:50):
that's what's saying. I want to buy low on Sutton.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Sudon is wide receiver thirty one, Troy Franklin, wide receiver
thirty four.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
In ECR fits, who do you like better this week?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
The better player Courtland Sutton, Like, and I'm not the
short term usage thing, Like I'm not going for that.
I know Sutton's head. Or Franklin is on this little
touchdown heater with four touchdowns in his last four games, Like,
if anyone wants to chase touchdowns, fine, I'm just gonna
stick with the better player, Like Troy Franklin is starting

(44:22):
to build a body of work. Courtland Sutton already has
an impressive body of work in his career. Like Courtland
Sutton passes the eye test with flying colors. Troy Franklin
has not yet completed the eye test. Sutton has one
hundred and sixty five more yards this year than Troy Franklin.
Sutton is averaging eight point nine yards per target. Franklin,

(44:42):
I think five point six yards per target or five
point eight like Ston's.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
So the serious question, because I'm not trying to like,
but serious question, like at what point does the eye
test stop? He has one top thirty performance in the
last five games, including the one touchdown, So like, at
what point do we say, like, maybe it's just not
happening for Sutton now that they have other options that
are starting to click.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna take more than five games, Jake,
Like it's going to take closer to more than half
a season for me before. But like Sutton is the
best receiver on the Bronco I.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Don't disagree with that. I just again sometimes goes to
the chemistry building in my opinion, like this said, I
like both I want to buylow on Sutton. I just
think at this point, the opportunities for Franklin, so I
gotta wear two hats next week? What is it Courtland,
Sutton and somebody else? I got two well.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Speaking of the next next debate I have here is
Commandi videl versus DeVante Smith, and I specifically like, I
wasn't sure what the right name was, but I was like,
I have to include one with Fidell again this week.
There are two spots apart in ECR. They're both ranked
in an area where you'd want to be starting them.
But you know, Idell's the type of guy that you
picked up later, so you might not really have the room.

(45:53):
You might have to actually make a tough decision him
versus a good receiver in your flex spot.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So Fidell or Smith start with you on this one?
Fits Who do you like better?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah? If you're trying to get me to champion Kamani
Videll again, Warm, it's it's not gonna work in this case.
I'm going with Vante. Yeah. Since since week five, Davante
Smith is tied with t Higgins for wide receiver six
in half point PPR Fantasy points per game, like the
Slim Reaper is just a fantastic player, like Smith is
one of the best route runners in the league. And

(46:24):
I basically agreed with Jake last week that Breese Hall
is a much better player than Kamani Videll, But fantasy
value at running back is as much about opportunity as
it is about talent. But El certainly has opportunity with
Amaron Hampton still out, But I'm taking Davante Smith over
Kamani bydell Gee.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So funny thing that my flex rankings I have Idel
at forty with Smith at forty two. So coin flip
there for you. So probably means Videll is going to
do what I thought he was going to do last week.
And I have like ten carries for thirty yards, and
so I just came to be I could be wrong
two weeks in a row on Vindell, which would just
be awesome.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Jake, just ship me your hat so I can wear
it or next week on the show.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I will tell you it has been an alternating He's
he's got RB eight, RB thirty three, has seven RB
forty four RB eight. It has been so like he's
on pace for another bad.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
It is like if he's following like this is basically
the San Francisco Giants World Series runs when they were
doing it every other year. This is what we're going
for here. I will say this. It really like all
jokes aside. It comes down to I'd said it earlier
in this show, and I'll preach it again if you
want to. If you're looking at your team and you're
looking at your opponent, you're like, man, I just need
some guaranteed points. I'm in a good spot. I don't
need to, you know, be bonkers with my lineup. Then

(47:33):
it's videl if I need the higher ceiling. There's no
questions with Devonte Smith in the way it's been going.
But I do think there's still some more risk with
DeVante Smith because it's the Eagles and it's about this
time every single year that they start to figure things out.
And yes, that could include DeVante Smith. But we've got
Squeaky Wheel playing Madden Games talking about how don't even
start me in fantasy. Would it be any shock to
anybody that aj Brown goes out puts a one hundred

(47:55):
and fifty and two on the board and they don't
even need Devonte Smith this week?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
And it is? It's true to Jake's point that before
this year it was sort of if AJ Brown and
Dallas Scoddar were healthy, DeVante Smith was like a lot
wide receiver too high end wide receiver. Three and this
year has been kind of the exception.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Wandale Robinson or David Montgomery, Jake, who do you like better?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I know he did it so he can talk about
eating W's ah, yeah, let's get Jamis. Like here's the thing, though,
Jamis is going to chuck it down field too, So
throw Darius slaytonto this group, you know what? I think,
Wandel Robinson has a good chance to vastly outscore David Montgomery.
But this is kind of like the safer play too.
But that's where we go back to their earlier conversation again.

(48:40):
Another one, Davi Montgomery hasn't exactly been safe this year.
It's been up and down because of the inconsistency has
been even worse than it was last year. He only
had a few single digit performances last year. Now this
year it's been more fifty to fifty. So I'm gonna
go Wandal Robinson with Jamis because we know, even if
he throws three interceptions, he's still going to be throwing
for three hundred and fifty yards and forty five passed
ten even with the Giants and Mike Kafka. So I

(49:02):
think that I'm taking one little Robinson even though it's close.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, I was curious fits, like obviously want Robinson has
been getting, you know, lots of targets. Through the last
four games, he has at least eleven targets. I wonder
what you think about the fit with him with a
guy like Jamis Winston. He does like to go deep,
like JA colluded to.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
So where do you have day earlier this season? Sorry
to jump back in, like.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Right, yes, No, I was just gonna say, like he
was the lid lift when it was Russell Wilson early
in the season. They were using him as a vertical receiver.
Maybe we see a little bit more of that. But
regardless of how Wandell has used like the number one
receiver on a team that's going to be starting Jamis
at quarterback, I want that and nothing against Monty is
a good player, and I think it might actually help

(49:43):
Monty that Dan Campbell has taken over the play calling.
I just think Campbell really wants closer to that fifty
to fifty warkload split between Gibbs and Montgomery. But you know,
at Philadelphia, not an easy matchup for David Montgomery. So
I'm taking Wandell here.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I'm counting on to help get me into the scott
Fish Wild playoffs this week, so we'll need a big
game out of him.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Hopefully Jamis pulls through with him.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
How about Tyler Algyear, who we talked about a little
bit in the waivers segment, or Xavier Worthy fits?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Oh man, this was what I struggled with. I feel
like Algier is the it's hard to say a backup
running back is like the safer call. It feels like
he's safer and I know Worthy is having a quiet season.
I'm still taking Xavier Worthy in the tough matchup against
Denver over Algier.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, I'm going with Algier again from the earlier conversation,
like this is another one not to be like, oh,
I want to believe joke again. But the truth is
like we're going to talk about during the bye They're
like going to focus on getting Xavior Worthy involved more downfield,
and like, okay, that's cool. I mean we've been talking
about the entire year. Zavier Worthy has been hovering in
the forties for wide receiver before and after Rice's return.
Like I want it to happen. I have a lot

(50:58):
of shares of Xavier Worthy as my fourth and third
one receiver in some leagues, so I'm hoping it clicks.
But at this point, this is one of those ones
where like I need to see it first. Hopefully it's
this week, and that would suck for it to be
on my bench. But I think Algiers in a great spot.
I do think this is not going to be like
the first game that we saw for the Panthers. I
think this is going to be one where Algier potentially
gets in the end zone, which is that's the one
thing that is everyworthy's not doing anyway, either.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Keenan Allen Jake, or Kylemanung Guy it's ann Guy, because
I tweeted this and this is what the assumption.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Because Gadson was practicing on Wednesday, which Wednesday practices we've
talked about on this show don't mean a lot for
people missing practices. This means kind of it does. When
people are practicing, especially with injury relations like Brian Thomas Gadson,
those are positive signs. So I'm saying that to say
is like Gadson was already practicing on Wednesday, sounds like
he's gonna be okay and good to go. Because Gadson,

(51:49):
for all our talk about like which it has affected
Quentin Johnson's touchdown department. It has destroyed Keenan Allen. Keenan
Allen fifty percent route run the last three games with
Gason being a thing. Before Gaston's breakout, it was eighty percent.
So if Gason were out, Keenan Allen bump him way up.
But with Gadson out there, Keenan Allen is the one
that has been just destroyed by the breakout fits.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Jake nails it on Keenan Allen like the Gadsden breakout
is really kind of just kneecapps. Keenan Allen, he his
production is really tapered off. But man, like the Jaguars
pass defense has been really bad, like Washington Commander's level
bad lately, and I just I don't know how many
touches we can count on from Manongai. You know I

(52:37):
mentioned before, I think Ben Johnson just wants to play
DeAndre Swift because he's a better pass blocker. And yeah,
I'm playing Keenan Allen here in the good matchup. Even
with the fifty percent route participation, I think fifty percent
can work against the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
At quarterback, we have Joe Flacco or Matthew Stafford, a
couple of old their quarterbacks here and Fitz. The'll start
with you, Flaco. Stafford's been on a real heater. Obviously,
Flacco has been playing great too. Who do you like
better this week?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yes, Stafford has been awesome. Twenty five touchdowns, only two interceptions,
currently the second best MVP odds, behind only Drake May.
But Seattle's a tough matchup, like the Seahawks can crank
up the heat with the pass rush, and they've got
a really good group of cover guys on the back end.
Flacco's quarterback one and fantasy points per game since taking

(53:28):
over for Joe Burrow and excuse me for Jake Browning.
And when Flacco played the Steelers a few weeks ago,
three hundred and forty two passing yards, three touchdowns. He's
averaging forty three point three pass attempts per game. With
the Bengals, he's had forty five or more pass attempts
and three of those four starts. Steelers are giving up

(53:49):
three more fantasy points per game to quarterbacks than see
Seattle is and I'm kind of surprised the gap isn't
wider than that. I'm I'm going with Flacco here.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I kind of like a bet on Stafford for MVP
because I think if they win this game, because so
many people are talking about Seattle as like maybe the
best team in football, this game's at home, like the
Rams have a good chance to win.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
They're really good too.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
If they win, I think he's going to be the
MVP favorite, regardless of what Drake May does against the Jets.
So I like Stafford as that MVP bet. But as
far as Fantasy Jake, who do you like better, Stafford
or Flacco?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I'm rolling with the quarterback and the offense I trust more.
And that's just not Joe Flacco. It's Matthew Stafford. And
I know what Fits is saying about the Seahawks defense,
and you know they are tough. They are tougher between
these two matchups Lash last week's game, and I know
a lot of it was catch up, but they impressed
me a lot with Jacoby Brissett. And I don't expect
Jacoby Brissett to be able to throw two hundred and
fifty yards and two touchdowns with no picks against that.

(54:42):
I actually expected better, Like I expected him to basically
rough up per set that entire game, and again, I
know some of it was a lot of like the
catch up situation when they were out to a thirty
five nothing lead before we even blinked, But I would
still give them more credit to that the fact that like,
let's not let it happen so again worrisome defense. I
don't think they're denver with certain level. That might be

(55:03):
where the little bit of disagreement comes in, But the
way that Stafford's playing, I just trust Stafford and I
always will really, But the only difference would be if
Devontae Adams isn't that would be It's so close for
me that if Devontae Adams is limited practice all the
way through Friday and a questionable tag but playing through it,
that would be enough for me to change it and
just flip them. I have them back to back right now.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
At tight end.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Last one here Jake, Kate Otten or Travis Kelcey this week.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Kate Oughton the volume as long as Chris Godwin is
not on the field, it's Kate Aughten. The volume is
enviable for what we want to see at tight End.
And I know Travis Kelcey saw a little bit of
a resurgence kind of in the middle of the season,
and maybe with a little bit with Rashid Rice back,
but against Denver on the road, and I know they
have two weeks to prepare and Andy Reid after a
bye and blah blah blah blah, But I'm just going

(55:52):
to trust the volume that Oughton has been getting and
what we hope to be one of the biggest shootouts
of the week.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Fit's I mean, since Week five, Kelsey has averaged five
point two catches and seventy one point six yards a
game use tight end five and fantasy points per game
over that stretch. And we know how good the Denver
cornerbacks are, so maybe the path of least resistance for
Patrick Mahomes is just to throw to his tight end
this week. You know, and Otten has been more heavily

(56:19):
involved lately. But the Bills have a really tough matchup
for tight ends, or excuse me, the Bills are a
really tough matchup for tight ends. They have a lot
of the fewest receptions, fewest receiving yards, fewest fantasy points
to the tight end position. So I, like Kelsey weird
to think that Denver might actually be the easier matchup,
But I think that might be the case.

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Speaker 2 (57:23):
I am on running back this week.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I will take Javonte Williams has scored a bunch of
touchdowns this year gets the Raiders coming off a buye.
I like Javonte Jake, you are on wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with my favorite by low right now.
The last four weeks of the season, it doesn't get
any better for the Vikings wide receivers. And I did
in depth dive in the waiver column talking about the
worry level for Justin Jefferson, and it's not that high
because all the numbers across the board are essentially the
same with Wentz and JJ McCarthy. The biggest difference being
he's only catching fifty percent of the passes from McCarthy

(57:52):
versus almost seventy percent with Carson Wentz because McCarthy is
off target a lot. But that rapport is going to build,
at least I believe, and that's coming from someone that
wasn't a huge McCarthy guy for this season. I do
think Kevin O'Connor will continue to coach him up. How
much time have they had to play together. So I'm
going to take Jefferson against the Bears defense just gives
up passing touchdowns to wide receivers and tight ends and
everybody every single week. So Justin Jefferson to get into

(58:14):
the end zone.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Fits. Who do you like at tight end or who
are you tolerating at tight ends?

Speaker 4 (58:20):
I'm tolerating Theo Johnson and I think I hit him
my last tight end call, so we'll get two for two.
Theo Johnson has five touchdowns in his last seven games,
and now he gets the ultimate rain maker at quarterback,
Jamis Winston.

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