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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello friends, and welcome in to Fantasy Pros. This is
the Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh. That is Andrew Erickson,
and today it's wide receiver by sell Hold. Yes, the
trade deadlines are almost here. We are going to identify
some players that you might want to trade for, some
of you might want to get off of your team,
and just kind of be aware of what might be
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circulating in the market. Trade deadline comes lots of ridiculous trades,
lots of crazy ones. Hey, ericson, did you know that
these five players that have been on my bench all
year would really help your team for your number one
wide receiver? How does that sound to you? It makes
a team better? I'm giving up a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It just makes me angry when I get those trades.
I know, I just know, I I just want to
almost send them back. The trade analyzer tool and what
the trade allizer says about that said trade and how
it doesn't benefit me in any way, shape or form,
be like, I will also follow up, would you recommend
someone else take this? Would you if someone else asks
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you about this trade, would you tell them, hey.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Make the deal?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And when they say no, You're like, well, yeah, I'm
gonna also not make this trade.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What makes you more mad when you see the five
bench players that are garbage for one, or the dissertation
about why this is good for you not really great
for me? Which one? Because I don't like when someone
breaks down why it's good instantly, I'm like nope, Like
if I see a breakdown, I'm like, worst trade of
all time. If there's anything written whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I guess the dissertation to me at least expresses
that they are trying to at least show some effort
where it doesn't take a lot of effort to just
throw out really bad trade offers, just left and right,
low balls that you are never gonna be accepted. Maybe
this guy just doesn't know what he's doing. He's just
not paying attention, he forgot about he doesn't know X
players injured. So I will give credit to people that
do have dissertation. And again I'm not guilty of I've
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sent out low ball trade offers before that. Maybe I
was like, oh, maybe he'll accept it, or maybe he
or she'll accept it, and they usually don't. So I
am trying to be better about that. We all can
probably be a little bit better you know, try to
make fair trades. Don't always lowball people, but sometimes the
people that take low ball offers, and those are ones
that you Those are trades you want to make. But
I don't hate the dissertation, to be totally honest, I
don't do it personally, but I'm like the effort at.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Least as do it. I hate I hate hate, hate,
hate hate that, you know what. I hate it so much.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm gonna send you some trade dissertation today and.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm gonna save all of them on a screenshot them
and I'm going to publicly put them out there. Make
them good. So make them really good. To make a
book out of them. We should. We should make a
fantasy pros book the worst trade reasons.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
To throw them in the comments. I want to hear
some of these, Hey, this is why this trade is
good for you.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I want to hear them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's one hundred percent. That's the fun. I want to
have two things in the comments below for this show,
the worst reasoning behind the trade or the best if
you know what I mean. And what's the worst trade
offer you've seen? This week? It's trade deadline week for
most I know, maybe not for every single person Dynasty
might extend it a little bit, so we got a
lot to hit. Of course, you guys can check out
the running Back episode that we did, and we've got
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wide receivers that we're jumping into. So let's get right
into it. Ericson by Sell, who do you have for
your bye wide receiver? That's we're going to kick it off.
Get it, make a good, make a good, and sell
me on it. Give me your dissertation.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I know, because this is a very polarizing players.
Marvin Harrison Junior, he is going to be my bye
among the wide receivers. And kind of how similar to
the running Back show where we want to get rid
of all the Bears. We don't want Bears. I want
all the Cardinals. I want every Arizona Cardinal I can
possibly get on my roster. They are on a bye
week in week eleven, and it's because I love their
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schedule and I just love what this team is doing.
This team is in first place in their division. They
just destroyed the New York Jets. They are on a
three game winning streak and that's well. Kyler Murray's been
playing call of duty. This team is on a new
level right now, and I think that the days of
Starve and Marvin are gone. It's back to maserati Marvin
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Harrison Junior. Because you look at the schedule after the
bye week at Seattle, Uh what's oh my God's trade
of thought here at Seattle at Minnesota not great? But
Seattle again against the Patriots Fantasy playoffs Panthers rams forty
nine ers. I think that this is a spot where
Marvin Harrison has been so inconsistent, so hard to trust,
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but he still flashed those points of hey, this is
why this guy was such a highly drafted player. You're
starting to see them jeil a little bit more with
Kyler Murray. And now they have the bye week. What
do we talk about all the times the rookies after
the bye week they improve, And who's a player that
has room to grow in their offense. It's Marvin Harrison Junior.
So I think, for me again, by all Cardinals, whether
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it's James Connor, Trey Benson, Tredy McBride, Trey ba Bay
at any of these trays and Marvin Harrison Junior, I
want to buy the Cardinals. So give me Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You were getting hyped up you were like Marvin Harrison
limousine riding, jed flying, deep ball catching son.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Of a gun.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Whoo Marvin Harrison. I mean he doesn't know how to separate,
but that's fine. Just zone defenses just kind of sit
there and cause he ate. Well, it's pretty easy. Does
that rate against the Rams? I mean, Jayleen Waddell did
it for one play at least or to play one drive.
He did it really well. But Marvin Ricks he can
do that. Ultimately. My only problem is like they haven't
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hit him with like a mass amount of targets and
like he's creating a great floor because the floor has
been pretty bottom. But you know what, like to your point,
they're on by they can kind of work through a
few things. The offense seems to be clicking a little
bit more. There's more of a connection with Kyler Murray.
We're seeing big plays. That offense is clicking in general,
and there's a favorable schedule. I think this is pretty
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slick because there's not a lot of positive feelings that
have been surrounded on Marvin Harrison. We'll call him the
nature boy. Now he's our nature boy. Marvin Harrison. Do
you get the reference? No? There it goes so disappointed.
I mean, Erickson, you are a beloved, beloved character on
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Fantasy Pros. That might be the worst. That one's gonna hurt.
That one's gonna hurt you a little bit. I'm just
telling you, you not knowing that reference, that's gonna sting
and hurt you a little bit. We'll recover next week.
I love the Marvin Harrison one. I love the bye week.
That's something that you and I have been kind of
tiptoeing around, especially with like the trade deadline. There's a
panic people, you know, teams, It's like I'm hovering around
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or I got to get a little bit higher. The
panic mode of what people need to do this week
really does benefit some trades, specifically those guys that are
like on a buy. So I like this, Marvin Harrison
won a lot. What do you where do you have
Marvin Harrison rest of season? Do you think he's a
top fifteen wide receiver? Is that too dramatic?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I got him right in that fringe wide receiver seventeen,
So he's right in that in that ballpark. Because I
just think that you're gonna trying to buy the ascension
of Marvin Harrison n You're been up and down, inconsistent.
But that's the reason why people can trade him, because
people are afraid that, oh, you're gonna get more of
these down games. And look, he's got a couple of
tough matchups the Jets and Chargers, and he's shown up
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in those games, and he's had decent outings. So I
think the target's gonna come. I think jail with Kyler Murray,
a couple late night Call of Duty sessions with Marvin
Harrison Junior, Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Chemistry's coming.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Shout out to Call of Duty, by the way, Shout
out to the games I've been playing one more time
though nothing no nature boy, Nope. Okay, all right, well
you guys you know what to do in comment. Sorry,
all right, I'm in a homer at It's gonna feel
like a homer by the way. But my wide receiver
to buy is Juwan Jennings. Though I do feel like
one thing, some Niner things can get right and wrong.
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I feel like I have been on the Juwan Jennings
you know, the path, the ethos of Juwan Jennings throughout
the season when it's been important and you know, one
of the biggest things that happened early on was when
he filled in for Brandon Nyuk, when we saw him
getting massive amounts of targets. He had this big explosive week.
Things have kind of centered out. He's been hurt a
little bit, but this week he got to play the
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X receiver spot finally for the first time. And what
did that amount to? Eleven targets, seven catches, ninety three yards.
We've also already seen throughout the season he has shown
points of being an elite separator. He has been the
elite middle of the field wide receiver. They don't put
Deebo in that situation anymore. They haven't putting Ricky Pirosol
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in there, which we'll talk about him, I think a
little bit later you see Kittle in there. But he
has taken over that Brandon Ayuk role. And one of
the biggest awesome things that we saw early on in
the season when he had filled in for Ayuk was
that first read percentage. Because Deebo can dominate that well.
In Week ten in that X spot, thirty eight percent
for first read percentage. It's elite. It's huge for one
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of the top passing teams in the NFL. Yes, Christian
McCaffrey's back. They used him even more in the receiving game.
Their offense has been inefficient enough that they are playing
the super close games or playing from behind. They love
to give leeds away in the third and fourth quarter,
which is going to lead to them on the ball more.
What I love about Juwan Jennings, and I'm gonna go
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back to what I said when Brandon Nayuk got hurt,
Deebo Samuel the opportunity to be a wide receiver one.
I think Juwan Jennings can literally take over for what
Brandon Ayuk's value was. I said, he is a wide
receiver two, and that's how we were kind of valuing
Brandon Ayuk at that time. And then Ricky Piersol floats
between maybe not flex to flex wide receiver slash three
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somewhere in that territory. And I think the only thing
that's not right right now is Deebo Samuel playing at
a wide receiver one level. Juwan Jennings is going to
see targets. He is the deep play option. Even if
he gets four or five catches in a game, it's
gonna amount to something worthwhile. I think his low window
is a wide receiver three. His high is in a
good wide receiver two range, and I'm just not sure
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he costs anything to some dramatic v I think he
belongs closer to Darnell Mooney, and I don't think people
look at him in the Darnell Mooney value range. So
that first read percentage what he can do as a
separator where he gets the ball deep and this offense
passing pretty heavily. I think Juwan Jennings is a really
great not just depth positional buy right now, but someone
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you can put in hopefully buying at wide receiver three value.
And I think, from a shout out to our boy
Joe Pizepia, from an RPV perspective, someone overvalued at wide
receiver three. But what say you, I'm the forty nine
er fan, so I can get a little bit homer
on that side sometimes. But what say you, ericson what
do you think about Jwan Jennings.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Well, you are the Juwan Jennings oracle. You've been again.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You've been on the pulse of this player all season
long about when to buy him, when to add him
off of waivers, and when to have confidence. I bet
you were above consensus on where he was in ECR
last week. I think it came down to just he's
a player where the name brand is almost holding him
back from We'll just look at the numbers, like, look
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at his production this year. He's been super productive. He's
had monster games, whether there guys have been missing or not.
But he has a full time role in this offense.
And it's funny because we were we were drafting so
many of these Bears wide receivers. Three Bears receivers, touch
your rookie quarterback. Oh, this'll be fine, this will work out.
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But would you rather have I mean, you rather have
any forty nine Ers receiver over any Bears receiver rest.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Of the season.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I love that question.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So because you have again it's crowded, and you obviously
have a tight end in the fold as well. But
the highs between when it's a Jennings week, when he
does get the targets, you know he's going to be
having a monster game with a touchdown, with one hundred
receiving yards. Even last week, none of the forty nine
Ers receivers found the end zone or excuse me, in
the red zone specifically, but he was still a focal
point in the red zone, and he's been Brock Purdy's
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guy all year long when he's had opportunities to play,
dating back to the Super Bowl. So I think that
going after Jennings is a really sharp play. I think
that you just kind of have to hold your nose
and not look at the name that you're trading away
to get Juwan Jennings, because when you mentioned Darnell Mooney,
I think that was a really interesting comparison because I
have them the gap in their ranking and rest of
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the season very large. But when you just looked at
the numbers, especially out a point or a receiving arts
per game basis, I bets really not that far off
between the two players. But the value in the market
is going to say, well, now Jennings is worth way
less when there is a whole conglomerate of receivers that
are ranked ahead of Jennings that you can just trade
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to get Juwan Jennings because oh he's a waiver wireing guy.
He's a number three receiver on his team, which, like
you point out, isn't really the case in reality.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
One hundred percent. And you guys can take it to
the test, see what it would take to get Juwan
Jennings in your league by using the trade analyzer on
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the trade analyzer to tell you what trades make sense.
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You can also instead of the dissertation of by the WORRI,
you can use what trade analyzer says trade work as
your reasoning behind the trade instead of trying to come
up with some kakameimi tie reason of why these seven
players for year one makes sense. Please don't do that
in general, but why you can make that trade for
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Just easily sink your league. Get it going today. All right,
let's talk about wide receivers. We are moving off of.
We bought Marvin Harrison Junior, we bought Juwan Jennings. Who
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are we selling mister Andrew Erickson.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, we have a theme with our wide receivers to
sell this week wide receivers that no longer have their
starting quarterbacks, and that's the case here with CD Lamb.
I kind of entertain the idea of buying Lamb last
week talking about, hey, let's split with Cooper Rush. Really
weren't that bad back in twenty twenty two. But I
just think that Dallas right now is despiraling. Right now,
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I don't think there's a light at the end of
the tunnel for this team. We just got news earlier
today on Tuesday that Dak Prescott is going to go
season ending hamstring surgery, So he is done. He is
not coming back. And yes, Lamb was good with Cooper
Rush out a time in twenty twenty two. We can't
confirm that Cooper Rush is gonna continue to be the
quarterback because they have an incentive to why don't we
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just see what we have in Trey Lance And that
could be when the wheels really fall off of the
Dallas Cowboys offense. If you have Trey Lance back there
and he's just running around. This offense has been dysfunctional
all season. That was with Dak Prescott as the quarterback.
So as hot as Lamb run ran last year out
of the bye week, it's just the total opposite for him.
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This season just hasn't been his year. I mean last
week what he has twelve thirteen targets and still finished
outside the top fifty receivers. Now, I know he dropped
the touchdown, and I kind of wish you caught the
touchdown because I think you maybe get a little bit
more for him in the trade if he had just scored.
But the vibes around this team are just so bad.
And I get that the schedule for the Dallas Cowboys
is pretty good in the playoffs, you have the Bengals, Panthers, Buccaneers,
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and Eagles, But without Dak Prescott, Lamb is just a
volume based wide receiver, and I feel like you can
get volume based wide receivers for him that have more
upside in the offenses that they play in. So as
good as a player is is Lamb, I I just
don't want to attach myself to Lamb and my fantasy
football playoffs matchups where he has coup rush as a
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quarterback or Trey Lance. And that's why I'm going to
face the best team in my league with Lamb and
he doesn't even have his main quarterbacks, so I feel
like his upside's going to be capped potentially. And at
this point, well, he's a expendable wide receiver that still
has the name brand, where I think you still get
maybe a little bit more than you should based on
what his actual production will.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Be rest of seasons.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I thought about this one for a lot, and
again this kind of goes against my process where you're
selling low. But given that we're approaching these trade deadlines,
I don't want to go into my fantasy postseason with
Lamb as an integral part where you have to because
if you have him, you're starting him. You're not going
to keep him on your bench. So for me, Ceedee
Lamb is going to be my wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Sell, okay, let me ask you some who's higher, and
then I've got a trade offer for you. It's going
to really help your team, by the way, it's really
gonna help you, I hope. So who would you rather
have rest of season? Ceedee Lamb or Nico Collins? That
one's easy, Okay, that was all right? DK Metcalf or
Ceedee Lamb Metcalf? Uh Terry McLaurin or Cede Lamb Terry.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Are you giving? So you're giving? I mean the I
don't think these are close. So I feel I feel
great about all these trades.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, then let's put Drake London or Ceede Lamb London.
How low can we go? All right? Let me let
me give you this trade.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, I mean, if these can get it done, then
I'm trading. I'm trading Lamb. Bye.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I already know this trade offer is going to be
a smash. You give I, You give me Lamb and
I give you George Pickens and Tyrone Tracy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Oh man, I'm breaking my phone to accept that.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I know you're breaking your phone. But if we think
it is still Ceedee Lamb top five wide receiver in
theory in a lot of people's brains, irone, Tracy not
seen as a top fifteen RB. Pickens might make it difficult.
I don't think that's an outland just move that you
could ask if you had Lamb to go get and
that person would have to have Tracy and Pickens. But like,
I think that's a general space of where you could
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do it. If I downgraded it to Tyrone Tracy and
Josh Downs, Are you moving off of Lamb for that?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I think so, yeah, I think that's kind of where
I'm reaching. I'm not smashing my phone.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I look at that deal and think, hey, what's the
I mean, look, I get at Ceedee Lamb, but he's
just a volume receiver at this point, and what is
Josh Downs a volume receiver?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And then what do you get?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What's the difference? Oh well he also get Tyrone Tracy
throw into the mix. So that would be enough the
two for one to kind of push me over over
the top. So yeah, maybe I'm being too low on Lamb,
but the deals that you're giving me, I feel great
about taking it. I mean I would take Pickens for
Lamb straight up. Pickens averaging almost one hundred receiving arts
per game with Russ as his quarterback and he stays
in the Ravens this week.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I yeah. I mean if you can flip Lamb for
Pickens straight up, I'm doing that nine times out of ten.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think you probably get a little bit more just
for everybody out there if you're moving off of Lamb.
But there you go, that's a big sell. Mine's not
as big though it has been a very popular name
on this show throughout the season. My cell is moving
off of Brian Thomas. Oh my gosh. I love Brian
Thomas in the year. You know what, I don't love
Brian Thomas with Mac Jones because that's what it looks
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like we are heading to this week with Mac Jones.
I gotta be honest with you, because I wasn't paying
attention to this game a whole time. I thought was
I was like, do Brian Thomas just get scratched from
the game pre and I didn't hear about it. No,
I just didn't get a catch until the fourth quarter
with Mac Jones. Mac Jones does not look good in
this offense. Twelve percent first read percentage was given to
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Brian Thomas because Mac Jones doesn't know what he's doing
out there. It's just going to go to safety net
running backs and tight ends stuff down the middle. The
thing that makes Brian Thomas great is being able to
stretch the field and make these big plays. I think
those are gone. Also to throw on top of it,
you know, pinpointing the where we can strength of schedule,
rest of season strength of schedule. You can check over
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on Fantasy Pros for wide receivers the worst of all
wide receivers rest of season for Brian Thomas. So you
give me Mac Jones is his quarterback with the worst,
worst strength of schedule and Mac Jones not being is
if it was like Jameis Winston. You know, hey, James
Winson is gonna throw the ball seventy yards and Brian
Thomas is gonna have a player too. I don't feel
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comfortable with that with Mac Jones. Mac had like a
first good drive and then it just became what we
knew for that to be. And it does not look
like we were getting Trevor Lawrence back. So I think
things are trending in a really bad direction. Just overall
for the Jaguars. We're kind of getting a few teams
here where we talked about in the RV Trade Show
about like, hey, Dolphins might want to move off, Hey
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Bears might want to move off. Jags are in this
same territory maybe if it's for dirt nothing. And here's
the problem with Brian Thomas. What can you ultimately get
since it's been quiet here for a tiny bit. Yeah,
that might be the point. But the stronger side of
me selling here is I don't really want Brian Thomas
on my team rest of season. We had talked about
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this on the Monday Out of Bounds podcast DeAndre Hopkins
versus Brian Thomas. Bogman didn't want to give up and
Brian Thomas, Joe and I easy DeAndre Hopkins rest of season.
And I think that continues to get pushed even further.
Let me ask you this, who would you rather have
rest of season? Brian Thomas or Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh Man got it. Of course you're gonna put me
on the spot as the.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Brian Brian Thomas if that's your game.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
But I know, but he is my guy. But he's
not the right answer.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's not the right answer.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't think that's and that's why this one I
struggle with someone. I'm glad you put him on the
sheet because I wouldn't have it in me to about
Brian Thomas Junior SSL because I've been scooping him up everywhere.
And again, I was talking about this when I did
my redditt Ama earlier last week or later last week,
excuse me, and somebody asked me about, yo, what do
you think about Brian Thomas Junior with Mac Jones, And
I said, well, every blurb next year is going to
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be well. Before Mac Jones took over, Brian Thomas Junior
was was so great at wide receiver and playing wide
receiver at his rookies.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm a love him next year.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I love him in Dynasty, Great Dynasty by Brian Thomas
right now, Dynasty.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I think that's the case here and again I
probably have to move down to my rest season rankings.
Is because I'm holding on because it's just such a
buyer of the talent. But the situation really looks like
it's gonna be tough for him to overcome. And he's
also dealing with his own injury as well. Right he's
had a chest injury.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Again.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Sometimes it's weird when we get reports that say this
guy's going to be out two to four weeks and
then he suddenly is playing. Well, is he playing at
one hundred percent? Similar to what happened with Michael Pittman. Oh,
this back injury, he's gonna be put on IR and
then he's playing and then you look up at his
box score and it's terrible because clearly the guy isn't
at one hundred percent. I can't confirm whether Thomas is
playing hurt or not, but just yeah, you laid out
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the perfect case of why Brian Thomas Junior is not
a player you want to be holding the rest of
the season. And I really have nothing else to argue
except well, he's a really good player. But we've seen
that the last couple of weeks and it really hasn't mattered.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, I mean, and you do have to look at
it from the lens of like, all right, if you're like, okay, guys,
I got to sell off and what can I get? Yeah,
if you could only get Keenan Allen for him, I
go down with that ship. And it's also kind of
dependent on like what your wide receiver corps look like.
I can stomach Brian Thomas for the rest of the
season if I'm not starting him and I'm waiting to
see if things bounce back if he's a wide receiver
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three in my lineup every single week. I don't know.
You might want to see if you can consolidate, you know,
you might want to buy low where you can in
any other area because I just don't think it's going
to look good, you know, Or maybe you're going to
have to have some twofer trades in there, so it's
a tough one in general. I do Brian Thomas, I
do want to add one point.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
When it comes to selling these kind of depreciated assets,
I think that it's a much better way to treat
and negotiate if you package them, because when they're the
focal point of the deal, all you think about is
the negativity that, oh, Lam's quarterbacks so bad. Oh Brian
Thomas is hurt and he's got Mac Johns. That's all
you think about. Whereas it's much easier for you to
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move that player when there's an actual piece of that
deal that has positive vibes attached to it. And then
the conversation be goes, well, when you send that trade offer,
the other manager kind of looks back and thinks, Okay,
well I really like this piece the lamb Brian Thomas
I'm not so sure about. But then they start to
convince themselves, well maybe it won't be that bad because
I want that other player too. So I think that's
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really the best way to approach when you're quote unquote
selling low is package that player. Make it kind of
the sweetener of the deal, don't make it the focal point.
Necessarily selling a you know a JK. Dobbins plus one
of these receivers to really upgrade at running back or
upgrade at wide receiver. I think that's probably your best
bet versus well, this guy's just been all negativity.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm going to try to trade him straight up. That's
probably not going to work.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So really think about packaging these players with players that
maybe have a little bit more optimism around them to
really upgrade overall.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I want to add I think that might be
the most astute thing we've talked about on this show.
We also did the RB trade show across the board
even more than just the players, is that you know,
these depreciating guys their singular value it I don't. I
don't think it's like even fifty percent of what you
can do when packaging and trading a Brian tom Ceede
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Lambs a little bit different. Like I think you can
singularly trade him and you could maybe get like a
Tracy in another piece. But I got like Brian thom Is,
there really isn't any great inherent value in trading him
just alone, because it's gonna look gross, it's gonna look dumb.
But if you can package to where something else somebody
wants and then you're moving Brian Thomas. You can almost
upgrade his value as part of it. That's probably a really,
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receiver debates I've got I think these are some good
ones here? Are you ready for? Tank Dell, Jalen Waddle,
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DJ Moore Buy sell hold these three wide.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Receivers, selling Dj Moore. I don't want any Bears anywhere
near my fantasy team this season.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Even though they're going to have an uptick after the
Shane Waldron firing, it's not gonna last. So I'm not
going to be fooled by one week of boosted production.
I'm gonna sell Dj Moore, Jalen Wattle, and Tank Dell
is interesting. I think that Waddle for me is still
going to just be a hold, just in case we
see this Tyreek Hill thing not really pan out if
he's more of a decoy. Do you see Wadle continue
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to get more and more involved in the passing game
against disappointing gave him after the first drive, But I
think the talent's still there. He's got a couple good
matchups coming up. So I'll just hold Wattle and you
just I mean, you can't trade him for I mean,
unless you're trading it to me or Welsh, You're not
going to get much of anything for Jalen Waddles. He'll
hold him, and then I think Tank Tell's the buye.
And this one's weird for me because you think, well,
Nico Collins is coming back you know, why would you
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buy Tank Dell. Well, in the back of my mind,
it's still this Tank Dell overcoming this leg injury from
last year where I still don't think maybe he's out
one hundred percent, but the week that things kind of
start to click for him. I know last year with
Tony Power, it took him out halfway through the season
before he said he felt back to where he was
after that broken leg injury, and maybe we still haven't
seen the best from Tank Dell. I again, I don't
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feel I don't feel dumb betting on the Houston Texans
offense turning things around potentially with c. J. Shroud as
a quarterback and maybe you see things. Hey, Nico Collins
is back in the lineup. This opens things up a
little bit more for Tank Dell against Stefan Diggs is
never coming back because he's uneyed reserves. So I will
hold a light up for Tank Dell, and I think
coming off a bad game, this is usually when you
want to buy receivers that we know have upside. Tank
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Dell showed as a rookie, he has upside. This year,
he's shown upside, so I would be a buyer of
Tank Dell.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, sometimes there's wide receivers or running backs whoever that
are good when everybody else has gone around them. And
sometimes there are guys that become better when those better
pieces are alive and out there and taking different coverages.
And that's something I think that Tank Dell is. I
was curious if you were going to be able to
contain yourself. I almost can't contain myself and wanting to say, like,
I kind of want to buy Jalen Waddle because you
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did see like the success of the Dolphins offense in
that Monday Night game was centered around when Jalen Waddle
was getting the ball. But then they tried to start
forcing it and then they moved away. It was like
once a scripted drive went away. And by the way,
I just want to point out, what are what is
that first drive usually the scripted drive? What did they
do on the script to drive went to Jalen Waddle
almost exclusively, So I think that's a positive. But then
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when they were just you know, they were just winging
it and going it was just a disaster. Bad running plays,
just bad decision making. So I kind of want to
say Wattle's on the uptick. But we'll hold. I think
tank Tell is a better buy right now at his
value is probably at the same level of Wattle, and
I think he has more upside when Nico gets back
and they can have more efficiency in the passing game.
DJ Moore is a hard sell, and guess what, maybe
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it'll bounce back. Maybe, you know, with Waldron Gone, maybe
they're going to just do the thing nothing but DJ
Moore and they try to force feed him targets and
stuff like that. I don't know that that's the case.
I think it seems like there's a better connection with
the Dounesa and Caleb Williams. I feel like he might
be a beneficiary. I don't feel good about Dj Moore
anymore in that offense, and I don't think firing the
offensive coordinator is going to fix it. So I'm out
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on him. So I'm going to co sign this one.
Let's go to the second one on the list here.
This is a little bit deeper and there's a little
bit of a of a waiver slant to this, So
buy sell hold Ricky Piersall, Xavier Worthy, Marquez Valdez Scantling.
Two of those guys, Pearsal and MBS probably gonna be
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the tippy top of waivers this week, throwing in Xavier Worthy,
who we know his big play potential but has been
a disappointment. Who are you buying, who you selling, and
who are you holding.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I'm gonna buy Ricky Piersoll because I just want pieces
of the forty nine ers offense, and I don't care
how I get them. I think that just having guys
in this on this offense is a smart move to make.
It's gonna buy the rookie first round pick. I can't
believe you put Xavier Worthy in NBS here together. I
can't believe you're making we could bear these two players
got excited.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm just about to be I mean, I'm I'm holding
Xavier Worthy. Of course I'm gonna hold Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm gonna sell Marquez Valdez Scanling, even though I think
as fugazi as his performance was last week, because he
had it all in the second quarter and then he
did nothing the rest of the three quarters of the game.
I will say for those that pick up NBS and
are probably gonna be ridiculed because oh my god, we've
seen this MVS like he couldn't do it with Josh
Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers. He's playing the
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Browns this week, and there is no defense that blows
more coverages downfield than the Cleveland Browns. So if you
have the ability to flex MVS this week, I think
it's gonna pay off. Rest of season, I don't think
it's gonna work. But if you pick up MVS and
you start him, kudos to you, because I think he's
gonna have another big catch, big play against the Cleveland Browns.
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But rest of season, I'm still gonna roll with Xavier Worthy.
He's shown enough upside this this year, even though it's
been bad the last couple of weeks that I'm not
going to just totally give up on him, especially if
it's for NBS.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Has he has he been started in the start of
the year. Yeah, you know, Xavier Worthy looks like don't
say it, he looks like Walgreens MVS.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That's what he looks. You're gonna say, Marvin Mims from
last year.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
There you go, another variant of it. He's into the
variable group. If you're Worthy looks like Marcus Valdez scaling,
by the way, doing about the same thing that MVS.
Did in the Chiefs offense as well. So listen, if
you want to talk about upside, it's worthy. But we've
gone ten weeks and worthy is just not established. They
had to go and get another wide receiver. I think
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there's enough of a scenario. I'm not trying to advocate
for MVS because, like I got in a big argument
with Bogman about this, where it's like I want Pearsaw
heavily over MVS. Now, MVS is probably going to be
the biggest disappointment. But here's the only thing. There's no
one else there. A lot OF's gonna be gone. Shaheed's gone,
tipps In is nothing. They don't have anybody except Valdez Kantling.
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So what I rather the number one on the Saints
who can get two targets a game, or Xavier Worthy,
the number four or five wide receiver on the Chiefs
to get two targets.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I get.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I know where you could go with this. I'll actually
hold MVS by Ricky Pearsall. He's the biggest buy, He's
the flex. He's the only guy here that's probably gonna
be more consistently a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Three.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm just gonna kind of sell off of Xavier Worthy
because I don't think that's a player I want on
my team. I can comfortably sit MVS. I don't want
to talk myself into putting Xavier Worthy in a lineup
because he's only going to disappoint maybe a little change.
Xavier Worthy is probably the most talented of this list,
but I'll take the real MVS and not the variant
of MVS known as Exavier.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So if you had, okay, I'm in this scenario in
a bunch of leagues, I got I Xavier Worthy on
the bench. So this week in waivers, you would drop
Xavierworthy to pick up so MVS man, I.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Think I would. I think I would. Just MVS is
like a disaster. I completely agree. But he's the number
one on the disastrous Saints. He might get zero catches
this coming week, very possible. How much worse is that
going to be than what Xavier Worthy does with the Chiefs?
How much I'm one catch?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Look, I am much more open to this than I
ever thought that I would be coming into this conversation.
When I saw that I saw MVS on the show Shet,
I'm like, well, this is an easy, easy player to sell,
But do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You think I want to pick up Marcuzveli scaling. Do
you think I want to make a case for marquezvel this?
I don't want any of that to exist. But all
I know is Tipton was like the number one in snaps.
He didn't have a single catch this past week. They
didn't want to get him involved in it. They're not
going to get a bunch of wide receivers involved. Marcus
Veldez Scantling is a guy that's going to stretch the field,
and car seems to like him a little bit, just
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a tiny tiny it'sy bit. Don't want to start any
of them. Ricky Pearsall is the real winner here. It's
a gross conversation, and I hate myself just a little
bit more for even being you know, involved with mvs.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, you know, I mean the one thing is I
mean because he's in that Rashi sha head roll. That's
the thing where you think about her, Well, he's in
that Rashija head role. And I just can't, for some
reason get this matchup against the Browns out of my head.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Because although scores more points to this coming.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Wait, see that's the thing now, because I could definitely vs.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The guy that outscores him, and then you're gonna just
be Victory Lap Victory lapping over my grave and mes
holding Exavier worthy.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I promise you I will not ever victory lap an
MVS take. I don't want to be my feet under
the fire, and I will know.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
So we're not ladder betting FVS when his prop opens
up at thirty and a half receiving it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
If it opens up at twenty four point five, we're
ladder betting it to fifty. We're doing long we are
get a ladder bet.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, so we're clearly very confident.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Man, we're gonna go twenty five, thirty, forty fifty. That's
what the ladder bet looks like. So you guys can
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