Glenn Howerton • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #268 - Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look girl, it's only films to be buried with. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,

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a director, a pink panther, and I love film. As
Frank Herbert once said, there is no real ending. It's
just the place where you stop the story. Hence where
the title of the film Never Ending Story is justified
despite its running time. Fair play Frank Yes smart. Every
week I'm a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
and I get them to discuss their life through the
films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include

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Barry Jenkins, Himmespitel, Sharon Stone and even But this week
it's the brilliant actor, writer, podcaster and producer Star Have
Always Sunny in Philadelphia and the excellent film BlackBerry. It's
mister Glenn Howardon. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an
extra twenty five minutes a chat with Glenn. You get

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a secret from him. We discussed beginnings and endings. You
get the whole episode uncut and ad free, and as
a video check it out over at patreon dot com
Forward slefst Brett Goldstein, So, Glenn Howardton is an excellent
actor and writer, amongst many other things. You're known him
from Always Sunny in Philadelphia and ap Bio, But if
you haven't seen his film BlackBerry, I highly recommend it.

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It's an excellent film. He gives a totally surprising and
brilliant performance in it. I really loved it. You should
check it out. We recorded this on Zoom a few
months ago. We'd never met before, but what a fucking
great time we had. I really think you're going to
love this one. So that is it for now. I
very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and sixty
eight of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome

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to Films to be Buried With. It is I, Brett Goldstein,
and I am joined today. Writer, a creator, an actor,
a podcaster, a live performer, an improviser, a teacher, a doctor,
a businessman, a cranker, and an even more voltage cranker.

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He's here, He's alive. I can't believe he's in front
of me, can you? Well? He is. Let's welcome to
the show. It's the one and only the man the legend.
It's Glenn Happen.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
How you doing man?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
How are you? Thank you for doing this? How's it going?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's gone great. I have a question, is this is
this on video? Are we videoing this? Or is this
just audio? I've only listened to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
There is a video that goes black and white to
the patreons like it's a film. No if you come
to with that, or we get rid of the video.
But you look fucking great.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Thanks man, great.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I got I got a I got a fresh summer cut,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Fresh. Hello. Tell me There's so many things I want
to ask you about. Let's okay, let's start at the
present day. I saw your film BlackBerry. It's fucking excellent.
It is one of the films of the year by
a long shot. It's excellent, You're excellent in it. And
what I really like about it, it's a proper like

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I wonder. My guess would be that you are in
that position of being a very very funny, very funny
comic actor who sometimes wants to be like, hey, look
I'm actually a really good dramatic accer, and then you
do BlackBerry and it is like second second into it,
You're like, holy shit, this guy's a really good dramatic accer.
You're so like from the top, it doesn't take adjustment.

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That's what's interesting about it, knowing that I know you
from so many other things. You bang bang in straight
from the top. It's a great film and you're great.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, I appreciate that. I Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
The weird thing is is I always wanted to be
a dramatic actor. That was what I strove to be
my whole young acting life, but actually kept getting pulled
into comedy. And it's not that I didn't enjoy comedy.
I did enjoy it. I liked it. I loved it actually,
but it was never my ambition to become a comic actor.

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And then you know, next thing, I know, it's like
all I'm doing And.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, but funny is funny. Some people are funny and
you can't help it. And there's a lot of it's
a lot of people who aren't funny. There's a lot
of dramatic people who would love to do the opposite way.
And I mean, you've.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Got the gift, Well, thank you. It's yeah, it's fun
to look. It is very un touched. It's very I
mean comedy is just really fun. It's undeniably fun to
work on comedy. It's undeniably fun to come to work
every day. And the object is to make.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
People laugh, as opposed to to.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Make them feel things, which is great, but not as
much fun as making people laugh. So I think in
some ways I was always destined to do it.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I just was in denial for a long time.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
And now I want to see what it's like to
make people cry.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
You can do it. You can do it ex When
you were making but on BlackBerry. You've also got to
be fair. It's a cast of comic act is actually
in it. So yeah, by definition, who were all very,
very very good. Was it funny on set we having
a right old time between takes? Or was it a
bit more serious?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think because the tone of the movie is not
overtly comic, even though it is funny. Yeah, everyone is
doing their best to turn in a dramatic performance, and
ideally what's funny about it is just sort of the circumstances,
the ridiculousness of the situations, the absurdity of how extreme
their decisions are, and et cetera. The laughing is almost

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more of a release valve so it wasn't the same
as being on the set of a true comedy.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, but it was. But we were having fun for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And then at the other end of the scale and
the other end of your career, you started Always Tunny
in Philadelphia, and forty five years later, you're still making
it and it is now like the Simpsons. Rights as
long as is it longer than the Simpsons? No? Oh,
how long is it? Nineteen eighteen seasons?

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, we've been on the air for eighteen years. The
show is so cool. Yeah, the sixteenth season is airing
right now, and we have been working on the show
in some form or another for almost twenty years.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Basically, wow, yeah, okay, So here's my question on that, right.
I would also guess this is all speculation that there
was probably a point year five where you thought, well,
this is going to come to an end and we're
going to have to There must have been a point
where you thought it would end. Then you made a
decision for it not to end. I imagine that's gone
up and down, and then it's like, oh, do we
get to do this forever? And you've changed and you've

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grown and you're all this, but it's still fucking funny,
and they're all your friends. Why wouldn't you do this forever?
Tell me your version of my speculation.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
That's I know your speculation is almost exactly right. I'd
say about it was about year six, the season six,
I should say that I started to get a little
antsy to move on. I started to feel like it
was preventing me from pursuing other ambitions that I had
as a performer. And then I kind of came out
of that funk for season seven and really hit it

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hard in season seven. Was very excited about it, and
that was the last season that we were contracted to
do at that point.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
And so when we finished.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
When we wrapped season seven, we didn't know if we
were going to get picked up again, and I was
sort of okay with it being over. I was really sad.
I remember thinking like, oh, man, that's really sad if
that was the last time I get to play that
character and last time I get to do those scenes
with these with these guys. And then they picked us
up for like three more seasons, and that was both
incredible and also terrifying at the same time, just that

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the thought of having to do three more at that
point was just you know, and then yeah, I kind
of hit a wall again around season twelve, and I
tried to dip on the show, and I did dip
as a writer and as a producer, and then they
they kept pulling me back in as an actor. And
then finally season fifteen, I gave in and just came
back full time.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I was like, I guess this is just who I am,
this is my life. Yeah, yeah, this is who I am.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
But you're but you're also right, like it's it's very
seductive because it's a really fun show to work on,
and we can we can go to so many crazy
places that I think a lot of shows can't go to,
and and I get to work with my friends. So
it's a it's extraordinary privilege that I try not to
take for granted, and I don't take it for granted,
but there have been definitely times where I felt like,
you know, there it was a golden handcuffs kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Do you think between you, that sort of ebb and
flow of that feeling. Do you take turns with that feeling?
Do you know what I mean? Have you been telling
the other one? No? Hey, hey, come on, it's the
best time of our lives or is it only been
used had that fit?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's only been me? But I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I don't understand why those guys are both so busy
with other things. I'm kind of surprised. I think they
just I think they were just able to have a
little bit better more perspective on it maybe than me,
or at least a different perspective, which is, hey, this
is so fun, this is the dream. We should figure
out a way rather than ending the show, we should
figure out a way to be able to do both

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pursue our other interests and still continue doing the show.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I guess I say this like in terms of like
legacy and stuff. It's amazing that the show is as
good as it always has been, frankly, and it's like
eighteen years. But like, was there a tipping point between like,
oh god, what if we can't keep this level up?
To No, We've got this, We've got this, this can
run forever, do you know what I mean? In the
same way I think with the Simpsons, like at some

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point they must have if it's this thing, if we
have to make this perfect two season thing, or you
know what I mean, Like and it becomes no, I
can just keep going because it's really good, Like, do
you lose faith in that side of it quality? I
guess it.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Definitely becomes more and more difficult each season to come
up with new and interesting things, you know, But that's
just by virtue of the fact that for as loose
as the premise is, it gives us a lot of freedom.
But at the same time that the characters have been
established to have certain characteristics and you can't chang change
those characteristics, so the challenge is less. And you're a writer,

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so maybe you can relate to this too. But it's
the world is constantly providing great stories or things to satirize,
you know, ideas, so it's not difficult coming up with
ideas for stories. What is difficult is coming up with
a point of view that you haven't seen the character
express in a comedic way yet, or a variation of

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what you've seen, because you can't change again. You can't
change the character entirely. But you also don't want to
see the same reactions from the characters over and over
again because it gets old and it feels like you're
just kind of leaning on catchphrases and old jokes that
you've established, you know, and to some degree, I think
that's unavoidable because again, you've established certain characteristics that the

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characters have, but you don't want to lean on that
too much. So you have to come up with new
dimensions to a character that you've been exploring for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
And that's difficult.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, and you also have you can't particularly with your character,
they can't change too much. It is I do think
it's incredible any stickle on that runs for years and
years there, but it because isn't the game. Like, for example,
in this scene, the character is definitely going to be
outraged by what has just happened. So it's like there's
a million different ways of expressing outrage and that's the

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game in this Like, we know his reaction is going
to be in this area, So how do we do
an original way of that?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah? Right, and how do you do that?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Where?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Because one of my favorite things about early any entertainment,
but especially in comedy is I want to be shocked.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I want to be a little shocked.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I mean, you know, initially, I think there was a
lot of talk and always has been a lot of
talk regarding our show about like us pushing boundaries or
you know, the shock value of the show. And it's
never our intention to push boundaries for the sake of
pushing boundaries, but I do think that you have to
kind of shock people a little bit Otherwise, I don't know,
you can't keep people engaged in the way that I

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like for entertainment to be engaging, I want to be
sitting forward in my seat, not sitting back, and I
need a little bit of like, whoa, that's wow, I
can't believe they did that, or or I was not
expecting that or normally you know so, so I think
that's that. But that's also the fun in it, too,
is when you find those variations, being able to present
them in a way that feels like, I don't know,

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surprising or not what the audience expected, even for the
long term fan of the show who's seen every episode.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Amazing and now you do this podcast so you can
hang out even more. I mean, it just seems like
you really like you really like spending time together. And
I do think that's like a secret to my to
my TV shides. I think the secret is if there's
a group of people that genuinely like each other, yeah,
or really that's you want to hang out with them,

(12:37):
that's the deal, right guy?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think that Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I think there's no you can't totally fake chemistry, right,
There needs to be some chemistry, some real chemistry there,
and we do. I think it's that that's an interesting dichotomy,
is that our characters are so awful to each other,
but we as people love each other and support each other.
And and I think that that comes through regardless of

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the awfulness of the characters.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And I do think that's that's kind of the secret
sauce of it.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Do you ask you this question? Maybe it's two personal
and we can cut it. It's given that you kind
of you're an ensemble show that started before any of
you were famous. I imagine now you're all older, Miiser
and Setive. Was there a period where you might be
jealous of each other doing other things, or you know,
someone going off to a film. How are all your
egos managing your success? I suppose over the years.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, that's a very fair question, because I do think
that that's something that can cause a lot of problems
with TV shows. Right, if you have a breakout character,
you have a breakout actor from a show who you
know suddenly is getting all these incredible opportunities because of
the show that you're also on, and you don't get
those same opportunities. It can lead to a lot of
jealousy and weird feelings and sort of like all of

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a sudden, you're not on equal footing and all this
kind of stuff, and it's a little goofy. And you know,
I would say, for sure, initially, you know Charlie, because
he's so incredibly talent and so incredibly funny, he broke
out as was expected. Even when I watched the show,
I'm like, that's the guy that I would want to
see immediately do other things as well. For some reason,

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Rob and I both well all of us really, even Caitlin,
and you know, Danny's already a massive movie star, so
what does he care?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But we're just not.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I guess I'm just I've never been I've never been
the type of person to resent somebody else's success or
or to feel jealous of somebody else's say. I mean,
I've had I've had twinges of it. Certainly, it's not
I'm not impervious. I'm not impervious to it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
But I guess for me.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
You know, look, I love Charlie so much as a
human being, as a person, as a friend, and he's
always been so incredibly supportive of me, and I think
he's genuinely made me a better performer an actor overall.
He's added so much to my life. I've so so
much gratitude for him as a human being that when
I started seeing him break out, because we really came
up together on this show, instead of being jealous, I

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was really like, really proud of him, and I was
really really happy to see him succeed in that way.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean not genuinely.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I mean, I know, it's like, yeah, no, I love
the sense to it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's it's true. I mean, it really is, you know.
And he stayed.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But he also continued to stay loyal to the show
even after he started starring in movies. He didn't go, oh,
now I'm gonna go off and be a movie star
and you know, screw you guys and kind of leave
us behind. He recognized that it was still a great
creative outlet for him, and so maybe maybe I would
have been a little bit more upset if he had
left the show or something. But and then you know,

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with Rob now going off and owning a soccer team,
and you know, becoming best friends with Ryan Reynolds, who's
a massive movie star.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It was kind of the same thing.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I mean, he's I see his talent and his brains
and his intelligence, and I'm like, it's almost more like
I wonder why what took him so long?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, I don't know, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I think it's just some of it is just
I inherently don't really have that thing that makes me
feel that way. So this is the nature of who
who we are as people were. We never take each
other for granted.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now you're gonna make me cry. We're fucking seventeen minutes
in piece of shit?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Who knew you were such a softy? Brett?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Don't tell anyone, right, is there? It is the deal.
I've forgotten to tell you something, and I should have
said it up to No do this. I feel terrible
about it, but what well, I'll just say it. You've died.
You're dead. Dead, You're dead.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
What do you like? Actually dead?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Like I I actually got You're dead? Yeah you did?
How did you die?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I did? Yeah? Wow? Yeah? Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Wait a minute? Mm hmm yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
It's weird that I didn't know that going into this,
because I guess I always thought that if you were dead,
you you knew that you were dead. But now I'm
realizing it's.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Sort of it's my job to intellgion. I forgot to
be fair, so don't. I don't want you being yourself
up about this.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I should have said, Okay, so you were actually charged
with letting me know that I died.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, I think so it self. You know, you make
your own business, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
and I wouldn't. I was hired. I sort of took
the job.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
So now that you've brought it up and yeah, and
now that it's all coming back to me, which is,
I guess what happens when you die and somebody tells
her that you die suddenly, now you you remember.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
All the ways.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
So yeah, yeah, so okay, here it's a little it's
a little crazy. All right, it's going to sound kind
of insane, but okay, here's what happened. So, in an
effort to fulfill what was I would say, a lifelong
childhood dream of mine of becoming Spider Man, right, what
I did was I I purposely got myself bitten by

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a radioactive spider. And and it was first of all,
that was difficult to find a radioactive spider, and it
was difficult to break into the facility and all that
kind of stuff. But anyway, I won't go into that
part of the story, but suffice it to say I
was able to pull off getting bit by reactive radioactive spider.
And I at first it was going great, right, you know,

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I was almost instantly strong and fit. Next thing I
knew I could I could climb walls and you know,
stuff like that. And I even had I even had
the spidy senses.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah I could.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I could sense things sort of before they were about
to happen or and I was also really really fast.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
My speed just shot up. Is extraordinary, Yeah, no, it was.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
And it all kind of happened incrementally over the course
of like I would say, three or four days, just
you know, Okay, suddenly I would notice these new these
new things.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Did your family know we keep an it quiet?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I wanted to keep it quiet because I wanted to
have the option of it just being fully like a
secret identity type situation. I wanted the option on the table.
I figured out a certain point, I would probably have
to tell my wife just because you can't really I
think she would start to notice.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Things if you were on the ceiling when you went
to bed and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, or should catch me, you know, practicing
climbing up the side of the house or.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
The weird thing is that I couldn't I couldn't figure
out how to get webs to shoot out of my
wrists for whatever reason. That that that part of it
wasn't working, and that that's part that's one of the
most fun parts, right is shooting the webs out of
your wrist and then you know, attaching it to buildings
and like being able to swing around and you know,
so that was kind of a bummer, but I kept
I kept, I kept kind of working on it. And
then one day I was, I mean, this is kind

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of gross, but I was. I was taking a ship
and I shipped a spider web and and I found.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Out, yeah, that's where they come from.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, And I was like, well, okay, I guess I
guess that kind of makes sense. Like you can't expect
to get bit by a radioactive spider and have your
powers like be exactly like what you've seen in movies,
because that's a movie and this is real.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
And there's no hole in your wrist, so it makes sense.
What were the webs coming out exactly?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, and I and I realized that in retrospect, I
was like, well, yeah, worse, that makes that actually makes
more sense. Okay, I can work with that, right, So
I'll just figure out I can figure out a way
to work with that, right because training in martial arts
and training to you know, figure out how to get
it to come out of my butt and still be
able to swing by it.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Like I figured that was all workable, right, I could
figure that out.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I just figure you've got to go. But first everywhere,
that's the issue I see, is like you're aiming for
like tops of buildings. You can have to be mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
But right, well, in my mind, I thought like, well, no,
it'll come out of my butt, but then I'll swing
it around and I'll just it'll be like sort of
a thong situation.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
But again, okay, okay, so it'll be almost more like.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm sitting on the spider web because if I'm upright,
you know what I'm saying, and it's like coming this way,
but then I could still kind of grab onto it.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't know, I hadn't like a sort of rollercoaster, see,
like one of those hanging.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah yeah, not unlike that. Yeah yeah, okay, right, yeah,
So I thought this is workable. I'll figure this out eventually.
But I be told that that was that the first sign.
That was really when things started to take a little
bit of a turn.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Jesus. Yeah. So here's what I learned.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
The truth is like when you get bit by a
radioactive spider, and this is true, you do get you
do get the spider Man powers at first, but the
metamorphosis doesn't stop there, do.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You know what I'm saying? Unfortunately. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So soon after that, I started growing a lot of
hairs everywhere, and it was pretty gross, and I was
like trying to wax it and stuff like that, but
it was just coming back so fast.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
And then there was no hiding.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
In anymore because legs started protruding from my body and
I and I oh Jesus yeah, and eyes started appearing
on my back.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Wow, it was pretty gnarly.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
What did your wife say?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well, she said, maybe there's something we can do. And
I said, I don't know. I don't think there's an
antidote for this. But we you know, she was doing
a lot of Internet research and couldn't find any you know,
stores of people who had done what I had done
in real life. Everything was coming from my comic books.
And she was like, well, this is all comic book logic.
It doesn't you know, this is not Yeah, what do

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you do when I I boz a beer on your
husband's back. She's googling and stuff like that. Yeah, And
that was the point at which and by the way,
I still had all the Spider Man powers, so that
was awesome, but at that point, like I was, so,
I was becoming quite gruesome to look at. So it
was like not as much fun because you want to
be you know, sexy and ripped and have Spider Man powers.

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But you know, this is I had to learn the
hard way that that that's just not how it worked.
And I suddenly had an insatiable craving for meat. I
grew fangs and I and I'm not proud of this,
but I started eating folks.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh shit, Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, not good. Not good. And I knew and then
the thing is like I do, you know, not ideal.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And I knew it wasn't good, right, I knew it
was a bad thing to do, but the spider stuff
was really kind of taking over and I had a
difficult time fight it. And I don't want to make excuses,
but you can't really know what that feels like until
you've actually gone through it.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's fair, that's fair. I can empathize, I can, I
can imagine, but I can never really know.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, exactly, But I did, you know, because I still
had a conscience, I did turn myself into the police.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well they shot me on site.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, which is kind of an understandable.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean if if picture what I was becoming walking
into a police station and put yourself in their position,
I totally get it. I think anyone would would have
shot me had they had guns. And they really they
really let me have it. I mean they emptied their
clips and yeah, yeah, yeah, it was gruesome. But but luckily,

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you know, I appeared in the afterlife, I you know,
back to my bite yourself corporeal form.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
As a as a human.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
And you know, I think, honestly, I think it should
be a lesson out there for for everybody, especially kids
like you know, who think that they want to be
Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, I think the lesson is more sort of be
careful turning yourself into the police.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh yeah, maybe right right, I could have right, maybe
that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think that's that's the takeaway that you know, the
Spider part possibly had solutions, but you you sort of
idealistically went to the police hoping for sort of justice.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I guess I just really felt bad about like eating
so many people, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, Well, look, it's not the first time that's that's
come up on this podcast. Many people have died that way,
and it's it's not it's you know, we're very understanding here,
we're very well welcoming to two people like yourself, and
that's so so welcome. And don't don't worry, You're you're

(24:46):
forgiven and it was kind that you do you and
just and I just wish i'd gone to the police,
but happy to have you here. I guess my next
question would be do you worry about death? Was it
something you used to worry about pre Spider read out
to Spider, No, it's.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Not something I really concerned myself with on a daily basis.
There're been a handful of times where it creeps in,
you know, But I don't really, I don't really think
about it that much. How about you? Do you do
you think about death?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh? Sure? Yeah? I mean, and now is I think
about it in as a motivating force for me to
get on with shit because I'll be dead, say, sort
of my answer for everything I do as well, I'll
be dead, saying, so I bet I should do this. Yeah,
get busy, get busy dying right?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do you do you think there's enough to life for
you or everyone? You know? Man?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
This weird thing was like, I don't. I really don't know,
And I mean I guess, like a true agnostic, I
don't know, and but I also don't feel like I
need to know.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think it just kind of is what it is.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
If I had to say I believed something, it would
be that I believe that God, if there is a God,
that he has a sa to humor, and that if
he really is all knowing and all powerful and created
everything and created us.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think he created us exactly the way he wanted
us to be.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And so I don't think he's got a problem with
what we're with what we're doing down here. So you know,
I guess I just kind of trust that if there
is that entity that I'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
And if there isn't, then it's just all darkness and nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well, let me tell you there is a heaven and
you are welcoming it. I tell you for many reasons. One,
everyone's a big fan of work. Also, it's the best death.
It's the best death we've ever had. So you are
really welcome with heaven. Everyone's like it's same, it's same people.
It's legendarly or death Evan. It's filled with your favorite thing.

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What's your favorite thing?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean, I love watching movies.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Oh okay, then you'll you'll fit right in. It's filled
with movies, screening rooms everywhere, perfect cinemas. As far as
I can say. Everyone wants to talk about your life,
but they want to talk about it through films. And
the first thing that they ask you, Glenn, howardon is
what's the first film you remember seeing? How it did?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
This might not have been the first thing that I
ever saw, but it's the first thing I remember seeing, which, really,
I guess is the question. It was right before the
return of the Jedi was coming out and I was
living I was actually living in England at the time.
Little town, Yeah, a little town called Felix Stowe. I
don't know if you're familiar with it and have you? Yeah, yeah,

(27:28):
I was living there and I was probably six or
seven years old, and it was right before Return of
the Jedi came out.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So they did a double feature of Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
And Empire Strikes Back at a at a local movie theater.
And so it feels like the first thing I ever
saw was back to back Star Wars movies, which feels
like a big commitment. But you know, when you're six
years old and you've never seen anything like that, I
mean I was absolutely riveted.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah. Wow, do you have do you have siblings? Were?
Who were you with when you watch this?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean I'm sure, I'm sure or I was. I
don't remember who I was with. Isn't that sad?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
But I do know that I do know that.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I almost immediately afterwards joined the Star Wars fan club.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, what do you get? What did you get as
a as a fan?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I remember I got a patch that you could put
on your that I could put on my jacket just
said Star Wars. That's and I'm sure I got other
stuff too, but that's the only thing I remember getting.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Did do you remember thinking any part of you, as
in thinking, oh I want to be in this, I
want to be part of this, or were you just
like fucking hell? I think it was the latter. I
don't think at that point.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, at that point it was there was nowhere in
my brain that thought that being an actor was a
real thing, or that it was even something.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That I that I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah. Right? What about being scared? What is the film
that scared you the most? Do you like it? Do
you like being scared?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
No? I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I like scary movies and I like things that are
very chilling, but I don't like the feeling. I think
it takes a lot to scare me these days. I
feel like I've seen it all, but I don't like
it when something actually effectively troubles me and scares me.
And I will say that I kind of have two

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things for this. One was The Blair Witch Project, which
genuinely genuinely disturbed me when I saw it, and then
a couple of years later, watching The Ring something about
the idea of harmlessly playing a videotape, getting a phone
call and knowing that you have seven days before some

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unknown entity is going to kill.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
You really really messed me up, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
And I was like, well into my twenties at that point,
but it's still just like, it really got to me
that movie.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's a fucking great idea. It's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, it's pretty great, and it stopped me. I stopped
watching horror movies for a solid twelve thirteen years after that, Like,
it messed me up. So it's like I was like,
I don't want to watch horror movie. I don't want
to feel that way anymore, So I just stopped.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Do you remember what was your return about that in
the horror movie that you watched?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I got you back? I don't remember. I don't remember.
I don't remember what got me back. I like it
when horror movies are are fun. When they're genuinely, genuinely
disturbing and scary, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
There's instances where movies have been genuinely scary, but they're
just such great films that that makes up for it.
In a way, like, you know, like The Exorcist, which
I consider to be just a brilliant film outside of
the fact that it's a horror film.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's just I just love it.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And you know, like Hereditary was just just an incredible,
incredible film but really really disturbing and scared.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
What about crying? What's the film that made you cry?
Do you cry? Are you a crier? I am?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'm a total I'm actually a total softy that doesn't
take that much to make me cry, And yet I
have a really hard time thinking of movies that made
me cry the most.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I do have this very.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Specific memory, though, of being in I don't know, it
was like fifth or sixth grade, and it was the
first time I'd ever been on like a date, and
it's been by date. I mean, there was a girl
that I liked, and we went to the movies together,
and I think we went with another some other friends
and our parents dropped us off at.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
The movies and we went and saw the movie.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Please give me what's what's fifth and sixth grade? How
old are you? And that place? Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I would have been eleven or twelve?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, and we went and saw
the movie Beaches in theaters.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, and I remember.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
This one stands out to me just because like I
couldn't a movie was so sad and I could not
stop myself from crying. It was one of those situations
where I would have normally wanted to stop myself from
crying because I was with a girl, and I think
some of my buddies were there, and I was just
like stop crying, Like I'm just I couldn't stop crying
because it was just so sad.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
It really got me in that movie.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I mean, that's a nightmare. It can't take a
date to Beaches. That is a film you watch on
your own in the basement. Yeah, get it all out
and then you return to the world.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I know, as I recall, I think she was crying too,
so I think I sort of made it through that.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't remember what the end result was of that
happening to me.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
But did you kiss on this date after crying?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I wasn't ready for that yet. I was a late bloomer.
I wasn't ready for all that stuff yet. It's isn't
it sad?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Though?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
That I think so many of us as men, as
little boys were told not to cry and that it
was embarrassing to cry. Yeah, I think we got to
get rid of that shit. I think we got to
be able to cry. I think we'd men. I think
we do.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
And I also was like I always think I wonder
where it came from, because it didn't come from my dad,
you know what I mean. I think about that. It
wasn't my dad wasn't telling me don't cry, you big no.
But it must have been the coach. Well, I definitely
thought your.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, I think it was. I think it was something
it was more. Yeah, because my dad it was the
same way.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
He wasn't telling me not to cry, and nobody in
my family was. But it was one of those things
where I think, you cry enough times at school and
some kid makes fun of you for crying at school,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I think that's where I got the message.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
It was from other kids who had gotten the message.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
From their parents that you're not supposed to cry, and
then they passed it on by you know, making fun
of you for crying.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Or I think that's what happened to me.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Interested Yeah, with your kids, are you like cry cry?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
We certainly don't discourage it.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean they're at an age now where, you know,
I don't think they're quite at that place where they're
trying to stop themselves from crying. Maybe my oldest is
my eleven year old, he's a little more self conscious.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
But yeah, no, they're they're pretty good.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
About expressing their feelings, and we definitely try to be
the kind of parents that allow space for them that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, it's it's challenging. It's challenging.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
God, bet tell me this, what is the film that
you love? Critics don't like it, most people don't like it.
You love it unconsistently.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
This, you know, I'm sure that there is a better
answer to this, but it was the only only thing
I could think of, which is The Exorcist three.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's a great answer.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Do you have you seen that movie?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Answer? That's the one in the Insane As Island.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yes, yes, it's got George C. Scott and Brad Dorief
or Brad Dorif. I'm not sure how you pronounce his name,
but as that recall, yet, it got sort of pretty
ignored and and I wouldn't say it was like panned
by critics, but it was just kind of like seeing
as like it's not as good as the original, right,
and just kind of brushed off. And I know that

(34:50):
The Exorcist two was was widely considered to be a
pretty terrible movie.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I actually never saw it.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, but because The Actressist three was actually direct written
and directed by William Peter Blade, who wrote the original novel,
and it was it was the true sequel to The Exorcist,
I was interested in seeing it as a kid, and
I remember that movie scared shit out of me. Yeah,
and it's a really I think it's a beautifully shot film,
and the performances are phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Brad Dorif is like incredible.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
He's amazing. Yeah, he's always good. He's a really good Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I've never understood why.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, it's just that movie really stands out to me
as being one of those movies that I never understood
why it didn't get more attention. But for the people
who have seen it, everybody remembers some of the scariest moments.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
From that movie.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
And I don't know if you remember some of those moments,
but there's a moment where.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Like one of the great jump scars in it, right.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, one of the best, one of the best if
not the best I've ever ever ever seen. Do we
want to give this away or do we want people
to just watch the movie? But I'll put it this way.
I'll set it up. There's a scene and it's in
the middle the night, and it's just a camera is
not moving, it's just set. We're just looking down a
hospital hallway and it stays like that for a very

(36:09):
very long time, and that it just yeah, I don't
I almost don't want to give it away just because
you know, for people who haven't seen it, just that
it's a great movie, and I recommend that people see
that movie.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And it does and it totally holds up.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Excellent, excellent answer. What about a film that you saw
that you loved, you used to love it, but you've
watched it recently and you've got I don't know this anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Well, to be fair, I saw it again recently. I
saw this movie again recently, but I knew going in.
I was like, I know this is not going to
be a good movie. I know it isn't because even
my memories of it as a kid, I was like,
even though I'm remembering it fondly and remembering how much
I loved this movie. I was like, this, I just
know that this movie is going to be really bad.
But it was a super Girl Oh yeah, is it? Yeah,

(36:55):
which I think came out in the early eighties.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it since I was little,
and I can imagine there's probably some issues.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, it's real bad on almost every level, but very
cool that in the most recent movie, The Flash, they
go into this kind of multiverse type thing where he
encounters different versions of different superheroes, and they used a
lot of the superheroes that you've seen throughout the year,

(37:27):
of the actors that you've seen throughout the years and
age them down, so you actually see Helen Slater as
Supergirl in The Flash, which I was like, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, So Supergirl. It has a special place in my
heart because it was the very first VHS tape that
we ever owned as kids. I remember we finally bought
a VHS when we were living in Korea. We bought
our first VHS. I was probably seven or eight years old,
and my dad said, you can pick out one movie
and you can buy it. And my sister and I

(37:59):
had both seen Supergirl in theaters, and I guess we
loved it. Yeah, And we saw that videotape and as
I recall, it probably wasn't this much, but in my
it was so expensive.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
It was like sixty bucks.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I can believe that for.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
A VHS tape in the eighties. It probably wasn't.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
It was probably twenty dollars, but I seem to remember
it being like sixty dollars, yeah, which is so expensive
for a VHS tape, especially for that time.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
And yet my dad was nice and he bought it
for us.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I don't know anything about your childed, why were you
in so many different countries? May I ask?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Dad was an Air Force pilot, so we Yeah, we
moved around quite a bit my kids.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeazy, what is the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
you had around seeing it always makes it special to you.
Then how it's.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Well, it's got to be Jackass too, and that's good
because it was the I don't know why I thought
this was a good idea. Well, I sort of do,
but like it was the first. I took my now
wife to see that movie on our very first date ever.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
She I'd met her at a party that I had
had at my house.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Rob and I were living together in Venice, and she
was at the house and I met her, and I
could tell she had a really wicked sense of humor,
and I just thought, like, that's a more fun date
movie than something romantic.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I want to go see something and laugh.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
So we went and got sushi and then we went
to Jackass too, and I remember the amount, the degree
to which she was laughing. I just remember thinking, this
girl is awesome that she thinks that funny. Yeah, because
that movie is it's messed up, all those Jackass movies are.
And she just thought it was hilarious, and so did I,
and so it was a real bonding moment for us.

(39:49):
And I'll just never forget that first date.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Man, that's really very lovely. Is it's really it's a problem.
What is the film that you both relate to?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I can't think of anything in that department, if I'm honest. Now,
maybe it's because I think I've had I've just been
such a I felt like as an Air Force brat,
as a as somebody who moved around so much, have
a pretty tenuous grasp on who it is that I am.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Even now to this day interesting.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I think it just was changing so much as
I was growing up, as I moved from different culture
to different culture, that it kind of messed with my identity.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
So I don't really even know who I am now.
So even if I saw.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Myself on screen, I don't know that I would recognize it.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Were you like a chameleon, would you change to whatever
school you were at, the type of vibe, would you
just become what you thought was the right thing there?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I think so, Yeah, I think it was important to
me to fit in and not be the new kid
as quickly as possible. But I do think that's also
where I developed a sense of humor. I think that
was a way of getting people to like me was
making them laugh. So I'd say that that making people
laugh was always a common thread throughout all of that
and acting, Yeah, and I think and I think, yeah,

(41:08):
being an actor having to become or a feeling like
I was feeling the pressure to become something or someone else.
When you move from South Korea, from an Air Force
base in South Korea to Montgomery, Alabama, to a regular
school where not filled with a bunch of other Army
brats and Air Force brats where everybody had been going
to school together since they were in preschool and everybody

(41:30):
already knew each other. It was that was very much
like major culture shock where I thought, I got I
gotta figure out what it is that people like in
this town, yeah, and try to become that.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
What was the longest you were in one place have
your childhood?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
While my dad was still active military England. We were
there for about four years in Felix Stone.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
And what was the shortest if you remember.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
We were in Virginia for six months. The sad thing
is is I remember that was the place that I
liked the most other than England, England, England and Virginia, England.
I was that really destroyed me, honestly looking back on
it now, there's.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Some there's there's some trauma. There's some real trauma there.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
But we we left when I was I lived there
from three till I was I don't know, almost about
to turn eight, I think, And that was like, as
far as I was concerned, that.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Was where I wanted to live for the rest of
my life.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
And I had such good friends there, and that was
that was extremely difficult.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And Virginia I just liked. It was just beautiful. The
house was beautiful that we lived in, the neighborhood was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I liked the school and everything. It was like six
months and we were out of there.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Did it make you when you were making friends and stuff.
Did you have in your head, this is going to
be so short, I have to make the most of
It's like, did it train you I'm going to be leaving.
Did you act in any way different because you knew
time was short?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
It took a while, but eventually yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think by the time I had moved to Alabama
when I was ten, but I had sort of, I think,
to get a little just a little bit like keeping
people at arm's length a little bit. So it was
the kind of the opposite of what you were just saying.
Instead of trying to make friends as quickly as possible,
there was a little bit of like, I don't want

(43:13):
to make too close a friends because I'm just gonna
end up leaving and it's just gonna hurt too much.
I don't think my guard was up that much when
I was in Alabama. So I made some very close
friends and I'm still friends with now. But then when
I left Alabama, when I was eighteen and moved to Miami.
That was like, even then, I was still able to
make a couple some very close friends in Miami. But

(43:34):
then I moved to New York two years after that,
and I was done. At that point, I was like,
I can't, I can't, I can't anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's really sad.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Fascinating. Yeah, yeah, fast saying what is Well, there's no
segue to this, but here we go. What's the sexiest
film I've ever seen?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yes, sexiest film? I don't know. I guess I don't.
I don't know that I've ever seen a film that
I considered sexy. I've seen, I know, I've seen actresses
that I found sexy, But the actual film itself. I
can't even think of an example of a film that would.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Make someone feel that way.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
What are some examples of films that you think are sexy?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I mean I can think of a million.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Okay, let me see if any of them I've seen
and agree with you? Yeah, go ahead, Blue, You ever
seen that? No, I've never even heard of that.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Okay, what about well, I mean, a basic level, basic
instinct I believe is designed for you to think it's
sexy in not sexy.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
You know, definitely see what you mean, definitely would be
considered a sexy film, not necessarily what I was ever into.
So I don't think I thought of it like it
wasn't sexy to me, although I recognize that it is
a sexy film.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, Greace too.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Never saw it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
God never saw it. Yeah, give me the sexy films,
I guess. So, yeah, so you've got zero. You've got
no answer for this.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I got no answer for this, man. I Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
I know, it's it's really disappointing, and I really, I
really am trying to think, but I just can't. I
just can't come up with anything. I mean, yeah, I
don't know. It's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So there's no there's a sub category that you're traveling.
Bone is worrying. Why don't a film you found arousing?
You went, sure you should. It doesn't sound like you've
ever found a film arousing.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I guess I'm not. I'm not really seeking arousal in
my films. Not that not that people who films. Yeah,
that's not.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
That's not something that I'm that I'm looking for.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
It's not something I want as a matter of fact,
I think you have a little bit of a puritanical upbringing,
you know, super Christian parents. Maybe maybe I think like
sex in films makes me more uncomfortable that, you know,
like I don't. I don't really want to see sex
in films. Again, it's very I don't have a problem
with it. I just don't. It's not something I'm seeking

(45:56):
or find sexy. Most of the time I'm watching a
film with other people and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
This is like, I don't know, it's just not so
you're saying I'm a disgusting pervert. Okay, I think that.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, maybe that is the implication, is that the Yeah,
that's the takeaway.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
What is objectively, objectively the greatest film of all time
might not be your favorite, but it is the best
film ever made.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I could only think of things that are films that
I consider to be the greatest films of all time.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Ilo.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Now I realized that that wasn't really the assignment. The
assignment was right to come to think of a film
that I think is objectively So I thought of two,
and am I allowed to do?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Am I allowed to bring up two films?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You can do two and I'll pick one, Okay, I'll
tell you which one's correct.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
One is one is Fargo, which to me is just
the perfect movie top to bottom. It's dark, it's dramatic,
it's tense, it's thrilling, it's super super funny. The dialogue
is incredible, the plotting is credible, the acting is incredible.
It's just top to bottom perfect as far as I'm concerned. Fargo,

(47:12):
and then the other movie, just because it was so
groundbreaking and so mind blowing to so many people, including.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Myself, was two thousand and one of Space.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Honestly, that movie shook me, really really shook me the
first time I saw it, and then continued to shake
me as subsequent times. Anytime I ever saw a theater
that was playing it, I would go see it. Because
you're seeing it in a theater is just obviously that's
where you want to see that movie.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
You don't want to see it on a small screen.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's just when you talk about, like objectively, the greatest
movie of all time that's got to be up.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
There, that is that that's the correct time. Yeah, I
love Fargo, but two thousand and one is the answer
to that question. Correct? Well, okay, okay, all right, what
is the film that you could or have what's the
most over and over again.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
This is probably not a movie that I have. I mean,
I have seen it multiple times. And sometimes I do
this with movies where if it's a movie that I
love so much that I like, I almost don't want
to watch it too many times because I love it
so much. I want there to be a lot of
time between the last time I watched it and the
next time I watch it, so I can be as
excited as I possibly can be to see it again.

(48:19):
So in that sense, I think I've held back on
as many times as I probably would have watched this
had I not had that my personality.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
But Tombstone a great I just love that movie. I
love it.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
It's so it's so fun, it's so fun, and it's
it's exciting. It just it's got some of the greatest performances.
It's such an incredible ensemble cast. I'm admittedly drawn to
sort of little kind of testosterone movies, I have to admit,
you know, for I think just because I'm a dude.

(48:54):
I don't know, maybe I just I kind of like
movies where like dudes are dude in it out, you know,
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But I just love Tombstone. Man, I love it. I
love it. I could watch it. I don't think I'd
ever get tired of that movie.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
So, you know what is interesting Tombstone. A lot of
not a lot of people, but more than three have
answered Tombstone for most watched over and over again, like
really is it it? Really? Yeah? It really? It stuck
with people like I love it. It's great that it's
not a massive film. I mean, it wasn't massive, you
know what I mean, Like, no, I think it was successful,

(49:27):
but it is. And yet it's come up here three
or four times.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Oh, you've got You've got some people on this podcast
that have very good taste in movies. But you know, interestingly,
I don't even I'm not even a fan of the
of Westerns as a genre. I don't know that I
can even think of another Western that I enjoyed on
any level. I'm sure there's there must be one, but
I don't know. I'm just I just am not into westerns.

(49:50):
And yet that movie is one of my favorite all
time movies.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Right now. On the other end of the scale, what's
the worst, what's the worst film you've ever seen?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Well, the obvious answer would I think for most people
probably be Tommy Wiseo's The Room. I'm not gonna say that, though,
because that is one of those movies that hits the
sweet spot of so bad it's so good. So in
some ways I actually consider that movie to be really,
really good because it's super.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Entertaining, super entertaining. However, there is a filmmaker.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I don't know if you're familiar with this guy or
if he's come up in these conversations before, but there's
a filmmaker named Neil Breen.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
He hasn't come up and I haven't seen his films,
but I have seen the trailers for his films, and
I'm aware.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Of you're aware of his existence.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Okay, we'll do yourself a favor and see if you
can get through even forty five.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Minutes of one of his movies.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
And I recommend starting with his I think what was
maybe his first movie. It was called Double Down, and
he's got a few more of the he's made, like
I Am Here Now and Fateful Findings. Buddy, there is
no worse full length feature film on the planet than
everything that Neil Breen has ever made.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I mean, it is extraordinary and on some level, I guess,
kind of fun, but mostly just so fucking boring that
I challenge anybody that will sit through the entire thing. Now,
we've watched almost all, if not all, of the three
movies that I named, with a group of friends of
mine and I that love to watch terrible movies together
just because we enjoy that and like making jokes and

(51:29):
having a laugh. That's where I've seen Neil Breen's movies.
But yeah, really, really really bad?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Is he Okay?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Definitely not because I think he thinks he's making unbelievably
good movies. He clearly has a savior complex as a
as a human being. He is always the hero of
his He acts in his own movies too, He directs them,
rights them and stars in them, and he is always
the hero.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
And he does not.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
He just ain't. God bless them. Yeah, well, is queuing comedy?
You're very funny as much as you want to do drama,
you're also very funny. What's the film that made you
laugh the nice.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
There's a there's a few.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
There's a few, for sure, But I really I was like, Okay,
if I had to boil this down to what is
the movie that made me laugh the hardest ever. Really,
there's two of them and it's kind of a toss up,
but I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Borat. Yes,
I think I might have broken my theater seat. I
was laughing so hard, like I was. I was enjoying

(52:30):
that movie so much that I was I think I
was bouncing on this seat like a little child with ADHD,
you know, a hyperactive child. It was so so so
funny to me. Yeah, it just it absolutely killed me.
It absolutely killed me.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
And what was your second op? Sit?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Close second would be the South Park movie for sure,
fucking love. It's just another movie where where I was
laughing so hard I was almost falling on the ground
in the theater.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm amazing musical. Yeah, yeah, it's
fucking banging. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Those guys are amazing. Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Love it now, Ben Hallerton, you have been an absolute delight.
I'm very grateful for your time and I've really enjoyed this. However,
when you were researching how can I become Spider Man,
something you've been thinking about for years, and you figured
out the radioactive spiders being tested upon in a lab,
but first you had to work out how to break

(53:25):
into that lab, and you spent six months googling, working
out the intricate plans how do you get in this place?
You found out the only way to really do it
was to train to become a scientist who worked in
that lab. So you did years and years researching, and
you became a scientist, and then you got a job
at the very lab where the radioactive spiders were living.
You went in.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Is this one of those weird afterlife things where you
actually know because I didn't tell you that part?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I know? Okay, God, seeing your death flash before your eyes.
You handled this radio spider and what was sweet about it?
Didn't want about you, and you kept being fite minutes
crawling over you and you went to bite me, and
then you hit it. And that was your mistake because
you hit the spider and the spider bit you out
of anger. So when when it bit you, it didn't

(54:11):
bite you with love. It bit you with rage. So
first three to four days great fun, sure, climbing walls,
hanging up stick. Then you realize, oh, I can only
shit cock webs. You're shitting webs, You're swinging around. But
first but then because of the rage, these powers get
stronger and stronger. Suddenly legs shoot out of your rib cage.
You fucking you've got eight eyes on your back. Your

(54:34):
wife walks in, you're seeing ten of her. She's like,
Jesus Christ, what's going on here. You're like, it's a
long story, don't worry about it. And you then you
go to the neighbors. Neighbors go, ah, thet's start screaming,
and you go shut up, and you eat them. You
start eating your neighbors. You eat all your neighbors.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Do.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Your wife's like, listen, I can't live in a street
without any other people in the street. You can't just
eat them all. And you go, I'm sorry, I don't know.
This is probably mindful. I don't really know what's happened,
but I should probably have my off in and she says, well,
maybe take yourself back to the lab and hand yourself
into scientists. And you said, no, no, the police are good.
I should hand myself into the police. And she goes,

(55:08):
I don't know, okay, and you say bye, I see
you later. You shoot web to shoot over to the
police station and you knock on the door with all
your your legs and the police see you and immediately
shoot you. Bang, Bill, it's in all your eyes dead,

(55:29):
you collapse dead. I'm walking past with a coffin. I go, gee,
well I saw this noise. Guys, who are you shooting now?
They said, there's a giant spider turned up at the door,
and it was we were sort of terrified, and actually
maybe we shouldn't have shot as many times as we
did because we don't know him. And I go, that's

(55:49):
not a fucking spider. That's angry spider man. I've he's
been eating all his neighbors. And they go, well, then
maybe it's good be shot. And well, what happened to you?
Do you know? Fair justice? Like he should have had
a trial anyway, right, They say, well, it doesn't matter.
He's dead now. I go, well, let's put him in
the coffin. So much bigger than I thought you'd be
because of all your spiders stuff. So the police handing

(56:10):
me fire axes. We're chopping you out, chopping out, chopping out,
chopping out, chopping out, put bits of you, put all
of you in this coffin. But there's more of you
than I was expecting. Yeah, the coffin is absolutely jammed.
There's only enough room in it for me to slide
one DVD into the side for you to take across
to the other side. And on the other side it's
movie night every night. What film are you taking to
show people in heaven when it's your movie?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Now? Well, first of all, I'm absolutely astonished at the
revelation that the reason it all went bad it was
because because I forced the spider to bite me out
of anger.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
That was that was the that was the thing. So
you man, that sucks, dude.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
So basically, like, if I had just figured out a
way to cajole it into biting me out of love
or excitement or anything other than to.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Trust you, the spider didn't feel safe.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, well that's fair, then, I think that's that's that's fair.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
That's fair. It's just it's not great. It's not great.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
But if I had to yeah, if I had to
take one DVD, maybe The Big Lebowski excellent. I mean,
I I'm worried that too many people have said that,
maybe on the show, but.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I don't think anyone's taking that.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
No one's taking The Big Lebowski. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I'm sure it's come up, but I don't know if
anyone took it.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
That's just so fun.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
That's another movie I could just watch over and over again,
never get sick of it.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
There you go, they're gonna have a lovely time with you. Glenn,
is there anything you would like to tell people to
look out for in the coming months that you are
in or doing or have On the guy.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
We're doing a couple of live Always Sunny podcast shows
in Philadelphia and New York. By the time this goes out,
they may have sold out by then, but maybe they haven't.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
And if they haven't, then you should go check it out.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Go to the Always sunnypod dot com and get your
live tickets to our live show. They're a lot of fun,
and then just the podcast. Other than that, you know,
we're on strike, so we can't we can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Nothing we can do, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
So we just got to talk to each other about
all the wonderful movies we wish we'd been in and
hope that one of these days we can be in
another one.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Well, I don't know when it comes out or anyway,
if you haven't seen BlackBerry, you should see BlackBerry. I'm
telling the audience it's oh really really good.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Of course, that's what I should be promoting more than
anything is. Yeah, BlackBerry is available on vide on demand
now you can, you can rent it. I'm very, very
proud of that movie, So thank you for shouting that out.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
It's really good. You know what else, it does a
really smart with no spoilers. There's a kind of simple
thing that it sets up for a complicated business, you know.
It distills an idea into a very simple thing that
is really like, it's such good storytelling. It's just such
good storytelling in the way that that pays off this
small thing. Brilliant truly.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, it was even in script Forum it was. It
was absolutely incredible. I feel so I'm so grateful that
I was able to do that movie.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
And it's such a pleasure talking to you, man. I
really enjoy your work.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Oh man, I loved it. Thank you. That's very kind
of you. Yeah, A big fan of yours.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, it's really it's really cool seeing you in personally,
talking to the real you. You're such a lovely guy,
not bristly at all. Shut up, it's lovely to see you.
I have a lovely death. All right, Good day to you.
So that was episode two hundred and sixty eight. Head
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(59:29):
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Speaker 1 (59:44):
My neighbor Marien loves it. She always cries there and
she all really appreciate We both really appreciate it. Thank
you so much to Glenn for doing the show and
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So that as if for now, I hope you are

(01:00:06):
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