August 6, 2025 • 59 mins
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Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with wonderful actor and improviser TONY HALE!
Dearest Films To Be Buried With crew!
You've just seen the recent season of Rewind episodes come your way, with freshly polished and thoroughly rinsed iterations of past classics to revisit or catch up on if you missed them first time around. We are currently in the season of new episodes as you will have also seen, however this week there was a very sudden schedule conflict. We've been able to navigate them relatively easily in the past but this one was one of those unavoidable types. We would never leave you with nothing of course, and this is a good week to revisit the delightful episode with Tony Hale. It was a really joyful and at times laugh out loud episode, and certainly one worth picking back up if you heard it once already. Tony's hilarious and very good for a story or two, and the ongoing fun about Brett's supernatural gift keeps getting funnier. A really lovely one right here.
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It is likely that you know Tony from his stellar turn in Arrested Development as Buster Bluth, but if not, a cursory glance at his IMDB will reveal a TON of works that you will certainly be familiar with. Tony's a joy here as he and Brett check in and catch up on so much, including Veep, shakey hands in Sopranos, bad acting teachers, unity via Taylor Swift, being in Inside Out and the second one, spirituality and altogether so much more. It's such a good one. You WILL enjoy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look how there's only Films to be Buried With a
rewind classic. Hello, everyone, it's me Break Colon's Team. I'm
(00:50):
afraid due to a scheduling issue, I don't have a
new episode for you this week, but I do have
an old classic for you with the Brilliant and the
wonderful and the amazing mister Tony Hale. I really you're
going to enjoy this one. I hope you're all well.
Thanks for listening. Love to you all all right, goodbye, Hello,
(01:13):
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
me Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
a comedian, a legend, a folky, an angry bird, a
blues brother, a soprano, a a inside out, an emotion,
(01:33):
a feeling, a vibe, a genius, a hero, and a legend.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Again.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We can't believe he's here, but he really is. He's
a multi award winner, he's an Emmy Award winner, married
to an Emmy Award winner. They call himself the Emmys.
Please welcome. He's here, and he's alive, and he's an
everything you love, and he's really here. Please welme to
the show. It's the brilliant. It's tiny hail.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Ah, Thank you man. That was so nice. I need
that to play over and over in my house. You
could have of that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can loop it for you, tiny hail I'm a
fucking huge fan. Let's get that way. You're brilliant. You are,
You're absolutely brilliant. We've never met. I've seen you across
the crowded room, and I've looked longingly in your direction,
and I've thought, don't say I thought, don't ruin it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I I do have the reputation of being like,
get away from me.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I've said, is he approachable? People say he's very inaccessible,
He's notoriously difficult. I was looking at your just to
you know, just to check. I was looking at your CV.
Either you're very lucky or you've got very very good taste,
because every everything you've done is a banger, and it's
sort of like you're a hit machine.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Tony Haw. That's very kind. I wish I could say
that it was it had anything to do with me.
I mean, they probably saw the brokenness me, but I
wasn't in a place to be like, oh, I think
I'd like to do this, and I think i'd like
to do. I mean, I was just so and continued
(03:10):
being so thankful for a gig. Back then, I didn't
have that kind of choice. I'm just I feel very
fortunate to be a part of those you know.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
One thing I can't find and you must forgive me.
Do you ever do stand up?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No? Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Were you a sketch guy or nothing? Sketch guy? Sketch guy?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Okay, did you study that? Did you train in that? No?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mainly studied theater. I studied this place called the
Barrow Group in New York, and it was well, at
first I went to this one place I won't say
their name, but it was just like the guy was
just a douchebag and he was super arrogant and all
the students were walking on eggshells around him, and we
were doing Meisner and you know Meiser needs you need
like a safe place, which is a type of acting theory,
(03:47):
and everybody was just like wanting to please him and
be like did you like that? Was that real enough?
And all this kind of stuff and it was so
fear based. And then I went to this other place
called the Barrow Group, and he this guy named Seth
Barris just like brought play back into acting for me
and kind of like took away the work aspect of it,
Like there's other place they'd be like Tony, great work, man,
(04:08):
really really great work, and I'm like, what's happening and
just kind of like he brought the playback and and
then I got back into sketch comedy and it was
just it was a real gift that that place. Big
gift was.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That first place A very fancy.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it was kind of like it was a two
year program and it's like you have to have an
interview with him and he's like he like he like
gives you the Godfather blessing, like do you go forward?
Do you not? And it was just like a ego
worship place and everybody was like you got in, you
got it. And by the way, looking back, it's like
he let you in because you paid for it. I
mean he just wanted a check. But then you know,
(04:43):
you it makes you appreciate the good ones, and I
thankfully found the good one.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, I've never been a fan of they knocked
them down to build them up school of it seems
to me absolutely mad that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, I'll tell you why I'm not a fan of
it too, is because we already do that to ourselves.
You know. It's like, already I'm already the master of that,
another master telling me, you know I got that voice
loud and clear.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, so true. And it's also like that. I was
once in I went to a class and there was
like a girl on her own on stage and the
teacher basically sort of bullied her until she cried. And
then when she cried, she said, remember that, Remember that,
that's it, that's it, And I'm like, I don't know
if that's it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's not. And it's also like, what is she going
to remember the terror of standing in front of you
trying to cry? That's that's not going to bring it
next time. I don't know. It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I'm glad you found your you found your face.
And when you did, what was your first thing you did?
Was it surprise as you did?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
First? I was an oncology nurse and I put chemotherapy
in Uncle Junior's arm because he had cancer, and that
was it. And I remember that day. I was because
back then, this is in the late nineties, Sex and
the City and the Sopranos were like the gigs to
(06:07):
get the jobs to get in New York, and I
was mainly doing commercials. I was always kind of like
the you know, the quirky guy who's not all there,
and I was those were the my commercials, very having
a good time, and I got that soprano's job and
I was like, oh, this is it, and I was
so nervous. When I get really nervous, my hands will shake.
That's kind of the way I have, you know, that's
kind of how they manifest sometimes. Yeah, and some like
(06:29):
even if I'm on stage, I have to put kind
of weights in cups to kind of keep them from shaking. Sometimes,
like I'll be totally calm, but then my hands will shake.
So which, by the way, that douchebad teacher pointed out
a lot and I was like, yeah, that's gonna help man,
Thanks dude. But uh So, anyway, I was doing sopranos
and I was giving chemo and that my answer were
(06:50):
shaking because I was just so nervous. I'm surrounded by
like all these like hyper masculine, you know, gangster types,
and I'm just like it was a disaster, but I
was in heaven. I was still like, this is the
best day of my life. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm such a huge, huge, huge arrested development vent when
you started that, did you know day one? This is
fucking special with this one? Oh well, like this might
not work? Are nice?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, we never really knew for we're going to be
around because the critics loved us, but the ratings were
really bad, and so we just never knew if we're
going to be around it. I was so thankful to
get a job, Brett. I was just like, that's all
I wanted was a sitcom. And I was around like
Jeffrey Tamborne, Jason Bateman and Will Arnett and all these
just like Alia Shocket, all these great actress and actresses,
(07:34):
and I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
So I was kind of not really present a lot
of it. But what I did realize later is that
people were not used to comedy being dense. They were
very much used to drama being dense. So it's like
they you know, paid attention in crime stories and like
what does that mean was but in terms of layers
of comedy, they weren't. It was like they were used
(07:55):
to like a one two punch. It was like you
just they just kind of want to be fed the
comedy and arrest you really had to pay attention, like
this meant that, and you know, he's like he went
into the Blue Man group because he thought it was
a support group for depressed men, you know, and then
like his blue hand, his blue hand shows up somewhere else,
and that meant that, and that meant that, and like
(08:16):
it took time. That's why it became popular on Netflix
because people could go back and really study it, you know,
in the DVDs, Like that gave him time to do it.
And so at the time, it just wasn't People just
didn't really understand what to do with it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Was that a fun job?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was uh.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Veep was really fun for me because I was older
and I was a little more relaxed. I felt like
I had a little more experience under my belt. Arrested,
I was so overwhelmed and I was so like, what's happening?
Like I just and I never knew if I was
doing something right. And thankfully I was playing like a
batshit manic character, so I could just you know, act
(08:56):
that way that I was acting in my life. But
I was so I'm not kidding. I think I gained
fifteen pounds in the first season because I would eat
everything and like they would you know, I mean you
knew have been on set, like you'll have before lunch,
They'll pass around like an entire lunch. And I was
just like I'd come from New York where I was
living in an apartment in Harlem, and I was like,
(09:17):
you never say no to food, and so I just
started consuming food. And I was just so I don't
know if I was having a good good I was
just overwhelmed that first that first time, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And then by vape, You're like, okay, I know, by Veep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And and I was more real. I mean I was
more relaxed. So like I think I was probably a
little more easier of a hang, you know, like I
was having I was having a good time and so
and then actually when Netflix brought Arrested back, then I
was a little more relaxed, like you know, it's just
with that with time, I got.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
A little bit uncomfortable. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let me say this though, because with the me as
a person, maybe not, but like the material was so
bad shit Unarrested it was just like an actor playground,
like it was you. The storylines were so nuts. And
my favorite thing was when I would get a new
script because back then it wasn't emailed. You know, you
would you would get it, someone would bring it to you. Yeah,
(10:10):
and I would just be turning the pages like you
are kidding me, like my hands eaten off by a
seal and you know I have a relationship with Liza
Macnelli and like I'm just like what, like this is
crazy like that. That was a lot of joy of
like this is so cool. You know what am I
up to you this week?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I get it hook? Yeah, yeah, I get a hook
and is improvised sometimes some bite did they have improv
in Bite Size.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No arrested, There was no improv It was always mainly
on the page. And then veep, I'm sure you've heard
Amanda you New Cheese kind of process. But he'll he'll
have a script and then he'll he'll want us to
kind of put it on its feet just for a rehearsal,
and then we'll just see, you see if it gels,
and then out of that funny bits will come up
and all that kind of stuff. And then if many
(10:59):
times are brought in to the script, but on the day.
It's totally cemented. It's totally sad. I did not know
that that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So there's rehearsal in the middle of the writing process,
not onset.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Totally and it was all these writers in the UK.
We be rehearsing, just standing around with their notebooks just
like you know, jotting things down. And when I first
got there, I was like, oh, I'm I'm going to
be fired because I didn't know if I was supposed
to come up with bits. Yeah, but he was more
just wanting to see if it geld and a fun
stuff came out than great, But it was we would have,
(11:29):
you know, two weeks of rehearsal before we would shoot
two episodes, which is a real rarity, you know, as
you know in television. Yeah, yeah, you don't really have
rehearsal cut.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And right now you are currently in now. You may
not know this time. You may never listened to my
podcast before, but in the middle of the year, I
do an end of the year Films of the Year
special from the year before because I like to wait
until I've really seen all the films from last year,
so I don't do it December. I did use and
do it like to you, really, Yeah, that's fun. We
(12:00):
did the Films of the Decade when it was twenty twenty.
My film of the decade, greatest film in the decade
was Inside Out. I think it is a very profound
and it's a film that I don't ever want to
watch to get because it made me so sad. Like
it might be ques some but I think it's like
genuinely such a profound sort of way of illustrating the
(12:21):
mind and the message of you need the sadness for
the happiness. Like it's just I think it's an incredible film,
and you are now in Inside Out too, which I
am scared of watching because I'm right it will destroy
me further. Yeah, have you seen it? How do you
feel about it?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No? I have not seen it. I'm seeing it next week.
But to your point, I had the same reaction to
the first one, and I really appreciate you saying that
I don't want to see it again because I feel
that way with most films. I don't like watching it
again because I don't know if I'm not going to
have the same magical experience what that I did the
first time, So I kind of don't even try because
I kind of want to. It's like a sacred space. Yeah,
(12:58):
but inside out. I've seen portions of it since I
was doing this one. And you know, when Joy says
realizes that she has to involve sadness in order to
help Riley, and sadness touches the ball and it turns
blue and she sends it up and Riley, you know,
feels sad for this time. I'm like, well, you know,
(13:19):
it's just every every emotion in me just shuts down,
like it's just it's it so resonates. And I don't
know if you know the whole story behind that, but
it used to be fear and joy. So when they
were when they were yeah, when they were first doing
the whole concept, it was supposed to be kind of
the partnership was fear and joy, and it wasn't working.
And that's when they realize, oh, this needs to be
(13:40):
sadness and joy, and sadness is what is used in
the very end to bring healing or just to kind
of help Riley grow in that process.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's really something picks l I think it's well, no
one underwrites them. Everyone knows Picks. That's very good. But
in terms of the writing that they seem to do
in the rewriting and fucking. There's probably not much better
going on in cinema. And I'm very worried about inside
out destroyment.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, the thing that's beautiful about inside out too, which
I'm sure you've heard, like there's the four new emotions
of anxiety and on we embarrassment, and envy. And my
daughter's now eighteen, but having walked through those teenage years
with her and seeing how those four kind of overtake,
you know, things, and I just wish I had that
(14:31):
as a tool when I was in those years because
I remember when my daughter's name is Loy, and when
she was on Wes kind of bored them and she's
French and she's on her phone. She's like she's really
you know, always tired. And I remember when my daughter
was you know, kind of like that, and I was
always like, Loy, come on, let's do something like get up.
But just having the affirmation that that's a part of
(14:53):
the process, you know, like that's to kind of like
give her that break and also not just me, but
for her to have felt seen you know, Yeah, I
feel like my life is spinning around and embarrassed all
that kind of stuff like you see me in that.
I mean, it's it's gonna be an incredible tool I
think for parents.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Is it a continuation for the director because it's further
understood inside Out came from his own daughter, from wanting
to understand why she'd been such a happy kid and
then she suddenly wasn't and he couldn't understand some of
the changes that she was going through, and that was
the inspiration for it. And I'm assuming inside Out too,
is that once she became a teenager.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I know that Kelsey Man, who's directing it, it
came from it, like a he was pitching the second one,
and it came from that personal experience. So I know
there's a lot to do with it, and just that,
I mean, just the overhaul that happens, I mean, and
not just with my daughter, just I remember with me,
just that kind of like you don't even know what's
happening in your body and you're starting to live in
(15:48):
narratives in your head that are just feel so real
of what are they thinking about me? And I wish
I could be that. I mean, it's just all this
kind of like douche take over.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You know, well, all right, I guess I'm gonna have
wat you.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I think you're going to really like it. Man,
I think you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, Well I will see it, but I'm gonna have
to go and see it on my eye with a
hoodie because I'll be a wreck.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And I don't want to know. I want you to.
I want you to openly cry, and I want you
to be proud of it.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Shut up, Tony.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, I'd like to tape it, so I'll come with
you a video the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Tiny, I've I've forgotten to tell you something and I
should have told you at the beginning, and it's fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What I want is the two hundred times you've had
to say this. I want that on loop. I want
that transition over and over and over and over and
over and over. That's let's hard news sharing with somebody
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And what's weird about it is you think I'd have
learned something from how difficult it is. And yet maybe
this is something you learned from, like a film that Pixar.
Is that something that difficult to tell? You just block
it out? And I'm just surprised how you know this?
How you know this, Brett? Like, how are you able
to share this with people? Is this a gift you've
been given? Well you've died, just to bring you out
(17:08):
to speak?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah? Oh yeah I assumed that. Yeah yeah, how do
you know that? How do you do I know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh because I am at the door. Oh you're at
the door.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah? Oh what? Okay? Is this? Like? Is is this
a gift you've used often in people's lives?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like just shows it about two hundred and ninety.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I just feel like there's other ways you can use
this gift, Like you could help a lot of people, maybe.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
By saying it before my heads.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Up, yeah, some something like the police could use you somehow,
Like I think this is a gift. I mean, if
you want to sell it's just use it for podcast reasons. Man,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The thing is I could use it to help the police.
But I'm busy.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Oh I see, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'm busy, okay, and I'm not sure what good is
it doing. Well, I'm going to the police. Don't they died,
they died, they died. They'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They get it. That's true. But you could at least
talk to it. I mean you're talking to me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, you could talk to the who killed you? Who
killed you?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, you've been kid.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I was gonna ask how you died?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Tedy have you been? I was not killed. I was
not killed. Okay, did I share with you how I died? Please?
I'd love you to. I was thinking about this and
I died eating my favorite meal. It was a quarter
pounded with cheese fries and then mcflurry from McDonald's. That's
(18:34):
actually true. That is my favorite meal. And then I
went to sleep and just didn't wake up. That's that
sounds like a great time for me.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So how old were you when this happened. What's your
dream death age?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh, i'd say my dream death age. Well, it's not
a dream bread because it happened. So I guess, I
guess I'm I guess I'm about eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, yeah, yeah, But have you ever had a mcflurry?
I have had a mcflurry. It's a good last meal.
That's really it's just what you're having in it eminem's okay. Yeah, yeah,
but I just didn't wake up, and that just sounds great.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You had a massive corner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't know. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm just like you.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh oh, okay, damn, this is a gift, Brett. This
is a gift you really need to like tap into.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Man. I'm basic told you I'm busy.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You're busy making money? Man?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh how much money there is in telling people how
they died once they've died?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Not really? All right? I just okay. Hopefully maybe after
this you'll be inspired to use it for good. It's
a good idea. I'm not saying. I'm not saying this
isn't good, but okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But there are better uses for it. Tell me, really,
do you worry about deaf I don't know, Okay, I don't.
I will say not dying per se.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The maybe the how I die is something I wonder about. It.
I hope I have a mcflurry and die in my sleep,
you know. But it's that's something I do think about.
Do you think that's an after life? I do?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Can you tell me what you think it is for me?
I'll tell you if you're.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Right, exactly. Man, this gift. I can't wait to see
what other layers it has. My faith is a large
part of my life. It's very important to me, and
when I die, I'm probably not. Probably. I'm excited to
meet and hug and see the being that has strengthened
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me and loved me and walked with me throughout my life.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I like that very much. And I'll tell you what
you could have it.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Oh really, oh, Brett, I have been I have been
waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh damn, man, I never had someone wanting to hug it.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think it's gonna I think. I think. I think
he's gonna hug me much harder than I'm gonna hug him.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, yeah, he's a bit stronger. Yeah, he's out.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean, look at me.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Pretty powerful. Luckily you're in heaven's a going to cross
your binds. But could day anywhere else, anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's true. And I also think the whole idea of heaven,
I mean, it's been a kind of a interesting I
don't know if there is a separate heaven, if there's
kind of a if our earth will be restored and
redeemed almost one day. This is it's almost a what
was broken is now healed, so cleaned up. Yeah, because
(21:38):
in kind of the faith community, a lot of it,
it looks kind of like a new Earth or just
restoration more and just healing. So we live, obviously, as
you know, in a very broken world that can get
really dark and that will be restored kind of a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well you can have it, Oh, Brett, please do it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
This is just my lucky day. Man. I oh, I
have been waiting for this. I didn't know it was
going to come in the version of you. But man,
that's the real twist. That's a real twist for me. Yeah.
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
People get here and they go who's that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And you say, hello, you know who I am? Yeah,
and they go I don't, I don't and I go
can you just do well? And then you go, well,
you might want to spend some time getting.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To know maybe, yeah, you might want to listen to
some previous books.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What number am I? By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Can't tell you exactly, but you're probably around the very
early three hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Dude, you are really putting money over helping others with
this gift you've been I know, I know. Well that's okay,
that's why I'm here. God sent me to tell you
that your gift is bigger than this.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'm like, shop God, just keep hugging him. This isn't
your business. This is about tiny give him the hug. Right,
So you get to heaven, which is like but nice,
and God gives you a big hug and everyone's very
excited to see you. And it's filmed with your favorite thing.
What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Laughing a lot?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh my god, it's it's like a madhouse.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Everyone like the kind of laughing. My buddy Greg Bradman
and my other buddy, Dusty Brown, when we get together,
it's like painful laughing. It's the kind of where you're you.
You have moments where you like, I think I'm gonna
hurt myself if you guys keep saying stuff. And that's
that's just heaven to me. That's it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's all over heaven, maniaco, laughing everywhere you go, and
everyone's very excited to see you. But they want to
talk about your life. But they want to talk about
your life through film. Can you imagine? Why did you
bring film into it?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I like talking about death, right, come on, we can
talk about Is this about film?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I never have enough talking about death.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Oh you have a gift, man, don't transfer to film.
It's a gift, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, but I'm interesting that you're not worried about death.
You're one of the few people don't worry about death.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Now, well, to be to be clear, to be clear,
I think again, the act of dying is not something
that I get exactly. I mean, I don't know how
that's going to happen, because yeah, because that's obviously can
be very very scary. And also my loved ones that
really scares me. But but dying and that what the
act of leaving their theraft does not, It is not
scare me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you think that that is in part to your
faith or have you Have you always been that way?
Was there a time where you used to be anxious
about death and that gone? Like I'm I'm asking this
because it's unusual. Most people tend to say, oh, yeah,
I worry about dying now you know, I worry about death.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I used to think about death a lot growing up.
And then I mean, I just there's this sounds very
maybe cheesy, but my relationship with God is so so personal,
and knowing that there's a there's a power that's much
higher and much bigger than me that is guiding me
and over this is so assuring to me that I
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just know there's a bigger there's a bigger reason that
I'm going to be then, just it's like another It's
like it to me, it's like when you fall asleep
and you just kind of go to it place, maybe
on a dream. You know. It's just that kind of
a transfer. It doesn't have the sting of fear to me. Now,
keep in mind, plenty of plenty of things have I mean,
I've done with anxiety and fear right in my life
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and plenty of things, and that's not that's not necessarily
what I'm not there.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I'm afraid we're gonna have to talk about films.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, I've just haded. They've just said, They've just said
everyone in heavens like, yeah, but we do we do
like films here Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean you're going from like majors to minors. But
all right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I don't know, it depends on the films. The first
thing they want to know is what is the first
film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Is that the first question they're asking Brett? Yeah, is
that what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I'm just please, please.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Share this gift with the world. Please share this gift.
I do I do. In ninety minute best. Okay, okay, okay.
So the first film I no, no, my memory is
not great, and total fairness, my memory is not good.
But the first film I remember seeing was Breakfast Club.
That was that was the because I was a kid
of the eighties and that was the first film I
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remember seeing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Do you see the cinema?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yes? Do you have siblings? I do have siblings. I
have a I have a brother who's a lawyer in
Atlanta and a sister who's a social worker. And I'm
North Carolina. Where are you in the order? I'm youngest Anthon.
They call me aunt just they actually they call me aunt.
It's not even Anthony, it's aunt Aunt. I was like, well,
that's that's going to help the shame that I mentioned earlier.
(26:32):
So yeah, I did not. I don't know who I
went with, but I remember seeing it and it just resonating.
I thought it was the coolest because it represented every
group in high school. To me, it was kind of like,
obviously the really popular girl, and then the jock, and
then the goth girl, and then the the nerdy kid.
And I was definitely in kind of the nerdy the
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nerdy group, but I just i'd never seen anything like
it before you did it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Make you onto act? Do you remember that now?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Just how would always do theater in high school?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And it was like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
When of course I'm just blanking on his name, Judd Nelson,
when he started dancing on the when they were all
kind of rocking out, and just that sense of that
I can speak for myself, but watching these groups which
are so separate come together in a time of crisis
and like thinking like, oh, that would be cool, because
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in my head I'm thinking, well, that would be cool
if she actually thought I was cool, and then you
know if oh man, they're so kind to like the
dark goth girl, but then she kind of put him
to shame. Like you just kind of saw these power
dynamics going on. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I watched it again recently on the plane because I'd
gone through a phase. I I loved it when I
was young, and then I watched it and I thought
it was shit. And then I watched it again and
I was like, oh, it's it isn't shit, And there's
a bit in it that's really interesting which I'd forgotten,
which is like towards the end where I think it's
Anthony Michaelho says will we all hang out on Monday
when we're in front of everyone at school and she's
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like no, And that doesn't change, it doesn't get resolved.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
No. But also like what a powerful thing to do
for a filmmaker to do, just to be like, no,
let's stick to the truth that they're not going to
hang out. Yeah, And what pisses me off? It was
her that said it. You know, it was just like
because he probably been like can we you.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Know, and she's like that in front about it?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Which click? Were you and were you a jack?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
We don't sort of have that in England the way
that they are in American films.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What group were you in? Would you say I was
like a chameleon? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, I think yeah, it's just sort of I was a.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Little bit of that. I was a little bit kind
of like I'll be whatever you want me to be
if you like me kind of thing I was. I
was very much that, like you want me to wear
black and be god, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know, what is the film that made you cry
the most? You a crier?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I am a crier. I like to cry a lot. Actually,
you're not ashamed of it like me. I don't think
you're ashamed of it. Shut up. Oh I'm gonna get
those tears, dang it. In this ninety minutes, there was
a lot and Inside Out is one of them. And
I'm not kidding, it's right, it's right here because I said,
they realize the sadness is a part of the equation.
(29:15):
But the other one that made me really cry was
this sounds dark, but the Hours? Did you see the Hour?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And it was late yep, it was like the nineties
in New York, and I was in a real I
was going through a really hard time and that movie
there's just so much despair and so much existential thought,
and I was just feeling really low and seeing in
film just the questions they were asking and then the
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way that I don't know, it just it showed the
power of just just being seen and not giving answers
for me, because I remember just crying in the theater,
being like I'm I wasn't like suicidal, but I was
just really suffering and really sad. And I was like,
that's how That's how I'm feeling. You know it just
because a lot of times and you know this, it's
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like people when you're in heavy places they're just like,
you know, it keep going and that's it's going to
get better, and which is great, but just it was
like it was like the movie was sitting with me
and just being sad with me. That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And do you think that sort of made you feel better?
Because it was like, yeah, yeah, just feel this depressed.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It did. It was heavy, but it was kind of
like yeah, and it's actually, yeah, something else, but that's yeah,
that's I think there was just a lot of power
to kind of like when I was saying about inside
out too, of like these teenagers, seeing them these versions
of their emotions and not even giving answers, but just like, yeah,
I feel that I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy for
feeling that. Yeah, but I cry a lot, like I
(30:44):
cry at commercials, YouTube video and mainly cry. If somebody
sends me a YouTube videos of like soldiers coming home,
I'm like, bye bye bye bye. Uh I can't, I can't,
and I'll I'll write back, my wife will send it
to me and I'll just write no, nope, I'm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Not doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You've really justified the hours. That's really interesting. I think
that I film that the hours I struggled with because
I kind of was like, what's the point of this.
It's so depressing that I feel like, what are you
telling me other than life is really really depressing. But
I had never considered it as your side of it,
a feeling seen and it making you feel less alive.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So you've changed, You've changed my life. You're welcome to
add to that. I think maybe because those people in
the movie, you know, the Nicole Kidman character and the
Ed Harris character, they really the balance was going so
much into the depression that they just couldn't. And I
still I did have hope, and I did have another
side working with me, and so it wasn't as dark
(31:50):
as them, but it was at least I felt seen
for that side. But back then maybe it might have been.
Back then when I was in this faith community, there
wasn't a lot of allowance for or you know, just
feeling sad. It was just like hope, hope, hope, and
it's like, you know, God, all emotions are valid, you know,
and you're and this this life is shitty and you
got to walk through it. You know?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
What about Being Scared? Was the film that scared you
the most? Do you not being scared.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, I don't. I don't like being scared, and I'm
playing fear inside out too. Nightmare and Elm Street was
definitely the worst because that and actually that's the last
horror movie I've seen, no way, Yeah, that's the last
one I've seen. Because here's the thing, like I get
why people I don't get why, but I can somewhat
see that people get a kick out of seeing scary things.
(32:39):
I was so petrified because you know, Freddy could get
into your dreams and he could like you weren't escaping
from him. That was the whole kind of brilliance of
that film. You could not escape. And my brother came
in with one of those gloves with like the nails
on the or the knives on the fingers and just heat.
To this day feels bad about it. But I was
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so trying, I was so terrified, and to that I
just never I can't separate. There's also this there is
so much fear in the world. I'm like, why are
we sitting in a room and being scared together? And
maybe some people, I know it makes them feel alive
or they like they feel safe in the fear. Maybe
that's a component of it, but I'm like, I never
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saw it. But there's one film where someone's like in
the basement and they're like, have you checked I'm inside
the house. That whole thing. I just heard that line.
I never even saw the movie and I just heard
that line, and I will I remember as a kid
or like being in a house and being like, well,
they're in the basement. I mean it's like I have
enough of it. I have enough of a creative imagination
to be like some people can see this stuff and go, oh,
(33:43):
that's fun. I see it, and I'm like, someone's after me,
Like I gotta I gotta protect me and my family
from what I just saw.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, well, I believe that the point of them that
it's like from what I understand that it's like a
roller coaster, that there's a safe way of cathartically exercising
your fears. So your body goes through this like adrenaline
of rash. There's someone that has all that, but at
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the end of the day, it's just a film and
it ends and you're perched of those terrorists supposedly, And
I think that in my experience, and I like horror films,
that's true until occasionally you go too far, and then
you watch one that fucks you up forever, and you go,
I regret that one. Yeah, like that one didn't end
when the film ended. They're now in my.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, and I would I would say that times a
hundred for me, like I can't. There's no one that
I want to walk away and go close the chapter
on that I'm walking into my house and convinced that,
you know, Jason's in my home? Am I going to
lock up all the doors? Ever since I was a kid.
I don't know if it's because the night man on
street or I saw something, but I had this irrational
(34:55):
fear of looking out the window and just seeing a
guy staring back at me, or like closing a shade
and just having a guy right there staring at me.
Forget it, just forget, like I'm already I'm already freaked out.
I don't need to pay money. I'll watch CNN and
be justice freaked out. You know, it's like I can't.
I just have a art. And my wife is fascinated
(35:17):
by it because she's like, you are an actor, like
you know this is not real, and like she'll watch
the heavy shows like Hamdmaid's Tail, or just heavy stuff
and I just can't. It's too much for me. And
she's like, you're an actor, how do you not And
I'm like, yes, it's different when you're performing it then
when for me when I'm watching it, because there's something
in my head that's like, yeah, that might not be real,
(35:40):
but that happened to someone in the world unless it's
like unless it's like fantasy or something, which I like,
like Lord of the Rings and all that kind of stuff,
but if it like really could happen, I'm like, that
happened to somebody, So why am I wanting to watch
a representation of that unscreen? You know, I don't know.
I did interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You're a sensitive so.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Too way too sensitive?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, I get it. What is the film that you love?
People don't like it, it is not critically acclaimed, but
you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Unconditionally is a stretch.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But with conditions, with condition.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But probably one that I grew to love is I
had to see the Taylor swift Eras tour film with
my daughter I think four times, and I was like,
I need medication after each time, but like, because it
was this bonding time with my daughter, I grew to
(36:39):
love it, and we would sing the songs together. And
then I might every now and then find myself playing
her songs in my car because it like I remember
that connection we had watching you know the movie together
because she went to the concert. I didn't go to
the concert, but we would. She would want me to
see the movie and we would go and and even
one time she was having a hard time and I said, well,
(36:59):
and I said, well, let's go to the Aerostour. Let's
go to the movie and watch Aerostour.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I love it becoming a thing where you're like, you're sad, right,
you seem sad. We should be going. Let's other night,
we need to go watch.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The other high school musical. I remember watching that with
her as a kid, and it was like a nice
like she loved it and it was a nice like
bonding experience. That's very sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Well those are Tyler Swift saved cinema, So we are grateful.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I mean, she is just printing cash.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
She used to path for good. She saved cinema.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
She did see. Now that's an example how you can
use your gift for good. Brett, you might want to
take notes. I'm so glad. I'm so glad God brought
me here to share this with you. I think this,
this three hundredth episode is a moment for you.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So you're saying a wrap up, wrap up the podcast
and just go to the police station and just tell
them where all the bodies are and.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Listen, if you can have a conversation with me, a
dead person you can have. I mean think we're talking
thousands of people you can have a conversation with. I
mean you have to be on a podcast might to
have these conversations. You could have them, and then you
could say I talked to them, and this is the
person that came at him with a knife.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'll say I told him this is the person that
came out with and their favorite film is Eat.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And then the police will go, okay, I don't don't
about them. Can you can you go to jails you like? No,
I hear you. But the one that they're really embarrassed
about that they saw was high school musical.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah there are swifty, Now there are swifty.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, Hey, hey Brett, I don't really care about tails.
I want to know exactly the details of the murder. No, no,
I totally hear you. But the thing that really pricked.
Their heart was inside out too.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
What is a film that you used to have? Oh
you loved it, Tony, you loved it, but you recently
and you've got I don't like this anymore because you
might have changed.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Not the film. I might get a lot of flat
but big chills, the big chill go on. I know, okay, many, Yeah,
this is a class film and I recently saw it.
And there's there's a scene where there's a woman that
there's a character in the film who's having a hard
time getting pregnant. She she wants to get pregnant, and
Glenn closes, character tells her husband, Kevin kleined, you know what,
(39:16):
I want you to sleep with her tonight and I'm
gonna set up the room and you guys, you guys
have fun. And then the next morning they're just glowing
and everything is like isn't that great? And I'm like
what what? I was watching it because I hadn't seen
it a long time, and I was.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Like, yeah, ah, what just happened?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And it was I mean, I've been married for twenty
one years. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they're
out there, but someone being like, you know what, here's
my husband. Just go up to my room. I'm gonna
make the bed really nice. You guys have sex, have
a bit. Are you gonna tell me something I don't.
It's time for me to reciprocate. You could use your gifts.
(39:57):
You tell a gift of marriage tont other people. Oh
but God, God is really using both of us today.
I did not know that until today. Something I was
like jarred by in the movie is true?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Is your test today? But they say wonderful gift?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh my gosh. I can't wait to tell all my friend.
I can't wait tell my wife this. Actually, she's gonna
be delighted. I think I think she's gonna be really receptive. Man.
I am so glad. I came today to thank you.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
What is the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the
experience you had seeing the film will always make it
meaningful to you to.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh, goonies, go on, Because that's that's another thing. I
want my ringtone on my phone to be Brett going
go on, go on. Hello.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
That could be your text message, go on go on.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, goonies, because I remember seeing that and I was
a kid who had pretty bad asthma, and the main
character carried around his inhaler and I always had. I
was always so embarrassed to carry on min inhaler and
I had. I was in and out of like I
had asthma attacks all the time, and my mom would
like attach three of them to me on the during
the day. And when I saw that movie and the
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lead character had asthma and used his inhaler, I was
like whoa, And it was just I was just not
expecting it, and it was really like, Okay, okay, maybe
maybe I'm not what I think. Maybe it's not cool
to have asthma, but like if he can have asthma,
then maybe I'm not such a freak. Maybe I could
be a lead Maybe I could be a lead character.
(41:50):
Just the adventure of that movie, I mean it to me,
it was every fantasy. I mean it was the film
is one big escape room almost like they go through
all these things and then they I mean, I remember
playing the bones on the piano and just thinking, oh
my god, don't hit the wrong note to the stone's
gonna fall and they're gonna fall down, or I mean
(42:11):
just all this like going down the slide and all
the surprises. It was just, man, it was just it
was every fantasy you want, you know, you're just like
and then kind of thinking like is that going to happen?
And then not just that there's treasure at the end,
which is like obviously every kid's dream, and then who
is the big guy? Yeah, that guy with like the
strand of hair, and just how the kid loved him
(42:33):
and I'm forgetting their names now, but it was just
it was really a great, great package.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's a lovely that is a lovely answer.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And Richard Donner directed it. I mean a lot of
people think Spielberg directed it, but Richard Donner directed it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Richard Donner is in the Rob Ryan the category of
like he's one of the greats, made so many classics
and they're all completely different, different.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
He's amazing Spielberg producer. But yeah, you directed it.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, what's the film you might relate to?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I would say, maybe not related to, but I the
one that I had Probably maybe this might be the
last question too, that I might be mixing these, but
Punch Drunk Love was one that I just I don't know.
There was something about his awakening, like Adam Sandler's awakening
in the end when Phillips sumer Hoffmann, he just lets
Philip Seymour Hoffman have it. And just that kind of
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growth pattern of just getting out of yourself and working
on yourself, and in the way Paul Thomas Anderson did it.
I remember, there's so many that's really hard to put
into words because there's so many things that happened in
that watching that film for me of down to like
the transitions, those those color bars. It was the magical
realism of it all and how it was done so authentically,
(43:42):
and him bashing the window and all the sisters and
and the piano like was like, where the what the
was a piano? Me? You know, it's just what's going on?
But leaving that question up there and not answered, you know,
and just like and everybody kind of interpreting it and
him him making a mistake and then it just blow
up and then just like go in and just facing
(44:02):
it off. And in that time when he's in the
car with a is it Emily Watson I think, And
he's in the car and and someone he bashes him
or something, but he just steps out of the car
with the bat and it's just like just you're just
like damn straight man, just like yeah, yeah, I mean
he just let them have it, let them have it,
(44:24):
let Philip Seymour Hoffman have it. And at the same
time balanced breaking down with his brother in law in
that room where he started crying. So it was just
this like all levels of humanity. I just I love
that movie. That might have been the last question. Actually
instead of Gooni's Goonies might be the one that I
(44:46):
related to the most because the asthma, I.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Mean, listen, it works, it works at both Do you
know that punstrung love? Do you know the theory that
it's about Superman, that he's Superman?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Do you know that? I don't know, but I know
what my Google search is going to be tonight.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, A look, wow Superman. Anyway, I have a look.
I have a think about it later.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And also also just like the surprise that Paul tammis saying,
I mean a magnolia when the frogs come out of
the sky, and it's just like he's fucking amazing, amazing
and just but able trusting the process enough to just
leave it with the question, you know, just leave it
with a question and not feel the need to answer
it or put a bow on it, just like leave it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You know, it's just you know the thing with Magneiliad
with the frogs. I once read this thing. Magneli is
one of my top ten films, and the film is
about death. And he written it and made it after
his dad died. And I believe he said that the
feeling when his dad died was so unfathomable. He was like,
frogs may as well rain from the sky. Wow, And
(45:51):
that was kind of the That's where Magnanelia came from.
It's like that amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
And what I love about it is even seeing Punch
Drug Glove for the first time his work, the process.
I so was in it, and I was so trusting
it that when frogs came or I just was, I
just went along with it, you know, I did it
because he just carried it in such a masterful way.
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
The best well is the sexiest film I've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Tiny? What films have you been in? Bregg? That's the
answer from me.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
No, Uh, the sexiest film I thought mine was Mulan
Rouge because because when I grew up, it was like
the sexiest was like poor Keys and about last all
these kind of things, and even today it's like how
far can we push sex?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Like how far? And then it's just pretty much sophocore porn,
you know. But mulan Rouge was damn dude. Like I
remember being in the car and hearing you McGregor's voice
and being like pretending I was him singing, singing that song.
And then when Setine comes down from the sky in
that club and psych it's the one of the most
(47:01):
romantic movies. And boz Leerman what he it was just
it's eye candy and it's so beautiful and just when
they meet on the roof, and I mean it's I
just think it's really sexy.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's a great movie. That that's my favorite of his.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I love it. There are so many Brett clips I
want on my phone. I got it. I gotta get
I gotta, I gotta record this stuff. Oh we are
recording it perfect. I got you.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Now, what is objectively objective? Objectively the greatest film of
all time might not be your favorite, but it's there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's that's a little catch I would say for me.
For me, Lars and the Real Girl is my one.
I think one of the one of the best movies by.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You are fucking shitmy do you know you will not notice?
The first thing that I did was the first big
film that I I write enacted in is a film
called Superbob. You won't know this until but in the
making of.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
It, I think you're about to say, I was in Lars.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
And but Las Nilga was our like template, was our
like thing we watched for tone and mode. We were
obsessed with that film.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I mean, brilliant, brilliant film. I mean, I could talk
so much about it. But when obviously Ryan Gosling has
our blow up doll, and you know it's he's isolated
and he connects to the blow up doll and all
this kind of stuff. But the scene, so many scenes,
but the scene that I just fall a pardon is
when he's putting the doll to death. And it's not
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just that, it's when the community comes together and sits
in the living room and just sits with him and
doesn't say anything. And I'm like, that to me is
like a version of the hours sitting with somebody and
just being sad with them, you know, Like it's a
picture of what I believe God has given community for
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to see each other to walk with each other when
I think God does without like it's it's stunning. It's
really stunning. And I think the acting is obviously great,
and I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I love that you've said that has not come up enough.
It's a fucking great film. And also I think it
was like not successful enough because I think because the idea,
the premise of it sounds like a gike. It's absolutely
not what the film is a man with a sex style.
You're sort of like, it is not that film, and
it is that film but beautiful.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
But and just and it's not even it's not even
the grief process. But it's how that community accepted that doll.
Yeah you know. And I mean obviously they're probably walking
around going that doesn't that's a doll, right, But they
were like, you know what, for him to heal, we
need to come alongside him and be like, introduce this
doll into the community. It's just like, come on, man,
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it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It is what is the film that you could or
have Wat's de Mice to over and over again.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think Breakfast Club I could watch over and over
really because and I don't say that about Lara's and
the real girl, because Lara's and the real is so
emotional to me that I don't want to. I don't
want to, like, what's the word, dissipate it or just
to kind of fin it out. I want to keep
the power of it. But Breakfast Club has a real
nostalgia to it for me, and it's not just a nostalgia.
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It reminds me this is this is getting I don't
want to get dark, but it reminds me how fleeting
this business is and how fleeting life is. It's like
when I every now and then you pass by a
graveyard and you're like, yep, yep, that's going to happen.
That's going to happen. And you know, you look at
Breakfast Club and obviously those people are you know, still alive,
but you know older, and they used to be the
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ship and they're you know, you know, somebody else is
the ship. And it's super cyclical. And it reminds me
of do not give power to something that can't hold
it because it's fleeting, you know, And we can make
good stuff and we can try our hardest and we
can love, you know, but it's not about that. It's
about so much more and it's just it's always a
(50:58):
good reminder. So I go back to that be like, yeah,
I'm giving a lot of power to this business. That is,
it's cyclical and it's fleeting, and I need to kind
of shift myself a little bit. Really good, really good,
You're really good at this. I don't know, man, I'm
telling you, you're the one with the gift that is
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not is not sharing it.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I'm just here. I'm just here to to to share
serve you.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I just don't think this is the place you have
to stop sharing it. I think you need to use
it for a greater gooft. You can talk to dead.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Very busy tiny. God's fleeting, man.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
It's fleeting, and it's cyclical, but you can do like
eternal ships, like you can really speak into dead people's
lives and like kill them from the inside out. Anyways,
if you ever't want to talk, I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I have a feeling money is going to take precedence,
But okay.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You're in. You're very funny. What's the film that made
you laugh about? That's what they want to do?
Speaker 2 (52:04):
What do they they want to know? It? All right?
I have several not several out of a few Bridesmaids
made me laugh really hard, hilarious, and all of the
Christopher Guest movies making me laugh really hard, especially Waiting
for Guffman. Waiting for Guffman. It's so well done and
at the time it was so new and it just
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was I mean, Catherine, Katherine O'Hara, I want, I want
to say Katain Hahn, but I get Katherine O'Hara. I
met her once and I just uh, I mean, obviously
because of ship's creak and stuff, but it's like she
you know, you we hear the like genius words thrown
around a lot. It's like genius, genius, and it's like
it can kind of get watered down, but she really
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has a touch of the genius where I'm like, what
she does with character is it's so special and so
specific and funny to me. I just I love her
so much. And then Meliss McCarthy and Bridesmaids that scene
where she's you know, pooping in the and just has
all the puppy takes all the puppies from the bridle
(53:05):
shower and she's like, listen, man, they gave them to me,
so I took him. And I think Rose Burn and
that is so funny. I mean it's just a really
good obviously. Kristen Wegg oh oh, I will say this
what I enjoy watching. I don't know if they do
it for Christopher guests, but my favorite thing to watch
is the Bridesmaid bloopers on YouTube because watching them watching
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them crack themselves up is so so funny. I will
look for that.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, Tony Haile, you have been an absolute fucking delight.
Beyond the delight. I've loved this. However, when you were
eighty seven years old, you had a quarter pounder with
cheese with flies and it flurry and eminem at flurry,
and you went home to bed. You got in your
bed and you peacefully closed your eyes, and then in
(53:53):
your sleep you had a massive coronary and you're explained,
oh huge, huge, like huge, oh you know, like horror
your your chest, sort of like ACTU.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Sleep first first. I know what my family to see that.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I know, but that's luckily lucky for you. I'm walking
past River coffin, you know what. I'm like, It's late
at night and I'm like this Tinese place. I don't
want his family to see it. So I come in
the room and by his chest, explained this sleep. We
didn't feel anybody. It was grass. There's everywhere, and your
wife's asleep, so I'm sort of having to clean.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
You're bigger than I was expecting, so I'm having to
like quietly.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Just like we don't need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Okay, put you in the coffin, but jam you in, right,
But it's absolutely jammed in there. There's there's jam. There's
no room in it. There's only enough room for me
to slip one DVD into the side, all right, man,
and on the other side, O fat movie now yeah, okay, okay, great, well,
it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
We're out of the right size coffin. It's actually just
very small coffee.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
It's having to do with you. It's decided to confine,
all right, okay, is only enough for me to put
one DVD in the side, if you just take your
cross to the other side. And on the other side,
which is also here, it's Maybe night every night. Everyone's laughing.
What is the film you are taking to show the
people of heaven and f when it is your Maybe night?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
First of all, great job, all right, great job, great job. Bratt.
My answer to that is, for twelve years, every summer,
my family gets together and I do a little iMovie
clip with music, and I put all videos together and
I do the side movie and they're like twelve minutes long.
I would combine all those into a DVD and I
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would lay those on me. That's what I'd want to take.
That's a really nice sentence. Do you walk into people's
Do you just really walk into people's homes in addition
to speaking into their lives?
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, but always with a coffin, like as in it
ain't great for the people in the house who aren't dead.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
It is always like oh, and they also don't make
it up, so it's like.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Sometimes they just in your case, you were like it
because sometimes I make a noise because they're banging the
coffee up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Like a large cop because I'm a pretty big dude.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
This is also it's on me a bit because it's
probably more efficient. We can bring the body downstairs, but
I bring the coffee up.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
But man, I exploded like full on, like yeah, you
were some kind of popcorn. So that was it was
a mess. Well thank you for doing that, man.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
That mental wife to say, oh, yeah, yeah, they didn't
see any of this.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Casual that no work, no worse.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Tell me, is there anything people should be listening to,
watching looking out for in the coming weeks and months?
Inside Out too? I believe it's the main one. Is
there anything else?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Inside Out two? And then that series I did Italy
is coming out. It's called The The Camera and it's
on Netflix on have you heard of the Netflix?
Speaker 1 (56:53):
The Netflix?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
No? Is that? Yeah, it's nice to support a startup company.
So we're we just as we go with them.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Is it a comedy drum?
Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's a very dark, dark comedy. It takes place during
the Black Plague and it's really fun. This woman, this
incredibly talented woman named Kathleen Jordan, was the showrunner and
a lot of a lot of your people, a lot
of ukres.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, Toney, thank you for the inspiration. And I and
I've really enjoyed our time together. And perhaps I will
use this gift for for better that'd be nice. And
I hope that you use your gift of of marriage
that we've now worked out the what it was for.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I just cannot wait to tell my wife. I really
think she's good to love it. Can I tell her
that you approved that all right?
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
I mean cut to you going like coming over and
be like, well, your husband died, so I'm Brett. I'm Brett.
That's dark all right, dude. It's so nice meeting you man,
so nice.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
I've loved this. Have a wonderful death. I will stop
the recording. Good day to you, sir. Thank you so
much to Tony for being so open giving me his time,
being so brilliant. Thanks to Scruby's PIP and the Distraction
Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks
to iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network for
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hosting it. Thanks to Adam Ridgson for the graphics and
Lisa Ladam for the photography. Come and join me next
week for another excellent guest. But that is it for now.
In the meantime, have a lovely week, and please be
excellent to each other.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
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rewind classic. Hello, everyone, it's me Break Colon's Team. I'm
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afraid due to a scheduling issue, I don't have a
new episode for you this week, but I do have
an old classic for you with the Brilliant and the
wonderful and the amazing mister Tony Hale. I really you're
going to enjoy this one. I hope you're all well.
Thanks for listening. Love to you all all right, goodbye, Hello,
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and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
me Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
a comedian, a legend, a folky, an angry bird, a
blues brother, a soprano, a a inside out, an emotion,
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a feeling, a vibe, a genius, a hero, and a legend.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Again.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We can't believe he's here, but he really is. He's
a multi award winner, he's an Emmy Award winner, married
to an Emmy Award winner. They call himself the Emmys.
Please welcome. He's here, and he's alive, and he's an
everything you love, and he's really here. Please welme to
the show. It's the brilliant. It's tiny hail.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Ah, Thank you man. That was so nice. I need
that to play over and over in my house. You
could have of that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can loop it for you, tiny hail I'm a
fucking huge fan. Let's get that way. You're brilliant. You are,
You're absolutely brilliant. We've never met. I've seen you across
the crowded room, and I've looked longingly in your direction,
and I've thought, don't say I thought, don't ruin it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I I do have the reputation of being like,
get away from me.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I've said, is he approachable? People say he's very inaccessible,
He's notoriously difficult. I was looking at your just to
you know, just to check. I was looking at your CV.
Either you're very lucky or you've got very very good taste,
because every everything you've done is a banger, and it's
sort of like you're a hit machine.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Tony Haw. That's very kind. I wish I could say
that it was it had anything to do with me.
I mean, they probably saw the brokenness me, but I
wasn't in a place to be like, oh, I think
I'd like to do this, and I think i'd like
to do. I mean, I was just so and continued
(03:10):
being so thankful for a gig. Back then, I didn't
have that kind of choice. I'm just I feel very
fortunate to be a part of those you know.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
One thing I can't find and you must forgive me.
Do you ever do stand up?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No? Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Were you a sketch guy or nothing? Sketch guy? Sketch guy?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Okay, did you study that? Did you train in that? No?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mainly studied theater. I studied this place called the
Barrow Group in New York, and it was well, at
first I went to this one place I won't say
their name, but it was just like the guy was
just a douchebag and he was super arrogant and all
the students were walking on eggshells around him, and we
were doing Meisner and you know Meiser needs you need
like a safe place, which is a type of acting theory,
(03:47):
and everybody was just like wanting to please him and
be like did you like that? Was that real enough?
And all this kind of stuff and it was so
fear based. And then I went to this other place
called the Barrow Group, and he this guy named Seth
Barris just like brought play back into acting for me
and kind of like took away the work aspect of it,
Like there's other place they'd be like Tony, great work, man,
(04:08):
really really great work, and I'm like, what's happening and
just kind of like he brought the playback and and
then I got back into sketch comedy and it was
just it was a real gift that that place. Big
gift was.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That first place A very fancy.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it was kind of like it was a two
year program and it's like you have to have an
interview with him and he's like he like he like
gives you the Godfather blessing, like do you go forward?
Do you not? And it was just like a ego
worship place and everybody was like you got in, you
got it. And by the way, looking back, it's like
he let you in because you paid for it. I
mean he just wanted a check. But then you know,
(04:43):
you it makes you appreciate the good ones, and I
thankfully found the good one.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, I've never been a fan of they knocked
them down to build them up school of it seems
to me absolutely mad that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, I'll tell you why I'm not a fan of
it too, is because we already do that to ourselves.
You know. It's like, already I'm already the master of that,
another master telling me, you know I got that voice
loud and clear.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, so true. And it's also like that. I was
once in I went to a class and there was
like a girl on her own on stage and the
teacher basically sort of bullied her until she cried. And
then when she cried, she said, remember that, Remember that,
that's it, that's it, And I'm like, I don't know
if that's it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's not. And it's also like, what is she going
to remember the terror of standing in front of you
trying to cry? That's that's not going to bring it
next time. I don't know. It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I'm glad you found your you found your face.
And when you did, what was your first thing you did?
Was it surprise as you did?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
First? I was an oncology nurse and I put chemotherapy
in Uncle Junior's arm because he had cancer, and that
was it. And I remember that day. I was because
back then, this is in the late nineties, Sex and
the City and the Sopranos were like the gigs to
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get the jobs to get in New York, and I
was mainly doing commercials. I was always kind of like
the you know, the quirky guy who's not all there,
and I was those were the my commercials, very having
a good time, and I got that soprano's job and
I was like, oh, this is it, and I was
so nervous. When I get really nervous, my hands will shake.
That's kind of the way I have, you know, that's
kind of how they manifest sometimes. Yeah, and some like
(06:29):
even if I'm on stage, I have to put kind
of weights in cups to kind of keep them from shaking. Sometimes,
like I'll be totally calm, but then my hands will shake.
So which, by the way, that douchebad teacher pointed out
a lot and I was like, yeah, that's gonna help man,
Thanks dude. But uh So, anyway, I was doing sopranos
and I was giving chemo and that my answer were
(06:50):
shaking because I was just so nervous. I'm surrounded by
like all these like hyper masculine, you know, gangster types,
and I'm just like it was a disaster, but I
was in heaven. I was still like, this is the
best day of my life. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm such a huge, huge, huge arrested development vent when
you started that, did you know day one? This is
fucking special with this one? Oh well, like this might
not work? Are nice?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, we never really knew for we're going to be
around because the critics loved us, but the ratings were
really bad, and so we just never knew if we're
going to be around it. I was so thankful to
get a job, Brett. I was just like, that's all
I wanted was a sitcom. And I was around like
Jeffrey Tamborne, Jason Bateman and Will Arnett and all these
just like Alia Shocket, all these great actress and actresses,
(07:34):
and I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
So I was kind of not really present a lot
of it. But what I did realize later is that
people were not used to comedy being dense. They were
very much used to drama being dense. So it's like
they you know, paid attention in crime stories and like
what does that mean was but in terms of layers
of comedy, they weren't. It was like they were used
(07:55):
to like a one two punch. It was like you
just they just kind of want to be fed the
comedy and arrest you really had to pay attention, like
this meant that, and you know, he's like he went
into the Blue Man group because he thought it was
a support group for depressed men, you know, and then
like his blue hand, his blue hand shows up somewhere else,
and that meant that, and that meant that, and like
(08:16):
it took time. That's why it became popular on Netflix
because people could go back and really study it, you know,
in the DVDs, Like that gave him time to do it.
And so at the time, it just wasn't People just
didn't really understand what to do with it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Was that a fun job?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was uh.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Veep was really fun for me because I was older
and I was a little more relaxed. I felt like
I had a little more experience under my belt. Arrested,
I was so overwhelmed and I was so like, what's happening?
Like I just and I never knew if I was
doing something right. And thankfully I was playing like a
batshit manic character, so I could just you know, act
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that way that I was acting in my life. But
I was so I'm not kidding. I think I gained
fifteen pounds in the first season because I would eat
everything and like they would you know, I mean you
knew have been on set, like you'll have before lunch,
They'll pass around like an entire lunch. And I was
just like I'd come from New York where I was
living in an apartment in Harlem, and I was like,
(09:17):
you never say no to food, and so I just
started consuming food. And I was just so I don't
know if I was having a good good I was
just overwhelmed that first that first time, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And then by vape, You're like, okay, I know, by Veep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And and I was more real. I mean I was
more relaxed. So like I think I was probably a
little more easier of a hang, you know, like I
was having I was having a good time and so
and then actually when Netflix brought Arrested back, then I
was a little more relaxed, like you know, it's just
with that with time, I got.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
A little bit uncomfortable. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let me say this though, because with the me as
a person, maybe not, but like the material was so
bad shit Unarrested it was just like an actor playground,
like it was you. The storylines were so nuts. And
my favorite thing was when I would get a new
script because back then it wasn't emailed. You know, you
would you would get it, someone would bring it to you. Yeah,
(10:10):
and I would just be turning the pages like you
are kidding me, like my hands eaten off by a
seal and you know I have a relationship with Liza
Macnelli and like I'm just like what, like this is
crazy like that. That was a lot of joy of
like this is so cool. You know what am I
up to you this week?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I get it hook? Yeah, yeah, I get a hook
and is improvised sometimes some bite did they have improv
in Bite Size.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No arrested, There was no improv It was always mainly
on the page. And then veep, I'm sure you've heard
Amanda you New Cheese kind of process. But he'll he'll
have a script and then he'll he'll want us to
kind of put it on its feet just for a rehearsal,
and then we'll just see, you see if it gels,
and then out of that funny bits will come up
and all that kind of stuff. And then if many
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times are brought in to the script, but on the day.
It's totally cemented. It's totally sad. I did not know
that that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So there's rehearsal in the middle of the writing process,
not onset.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Totally and it was all these writers in the UK.
We be rehearsing, just standing around with their notebooks just
like you know, jotting things down. And when I first
got there, I was like, oh, I'm I'm going to
be fired because I didn't know if I was supposed
to come up with bits. Yeah, but he was more
just wanting to see if it geld and a fun
stuff came out than great, But it was we would have,
(11:29):
you know, two weeks of rehearsal before we would shoot
two episodes, which is a real rarity, you know, as
you know in television. Yeah, yeah, you don't really have
rehearsal cut.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And right now you are currently in now. You may
not know this time. You may never listened to my
podcast before, but in the middle of the year, I
do an end of the year Films of the Year
special from the year before because I like to wait
until I've really seen all the films from last year,
so I don't do it December. I did use and
do it like to you, really, Yeah, that's fun. We
(12:00):
did the Films of the Decade when it was twenty twenty.
My film of the decade, greatest film in the decade
was Inside Out. I think it is a very profound
and it's a film that I don't ever want to
watch to get because it made me so sad. Like
it might be ques some but I think it's like
genuinely such a profound sort of way of illustrating the
(12:21):
mind and the message of you need the sadness for
the happiness. Like it's just I think it's an incredible film,
and you are now in Inside Out too, which I
am scared of watching because I'm right it will destroy
me further. Yeah, have you seen it? How do you
feel about it?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No? I have not seen it. I'm seeing it next week.
But to your point, I had the same reaction to
the first one, and I really appreciate you saying that
I don't want to see it again because I feel
that way with most films. I don't like watching it
again because I don't know if I'm not going to
have the same magical experience what that I did the
first time, So I kind of don't even try because
I kind of want to. It's like a sacred space. Yeah,
(12:58):
but inside out. I've seen portions of it since I
was doing this one. And you know, when Joy says
realizes that she has to involve sadness in order to
help Riley, and sadness touches the ball and it turns
blue and she sends it up and Riley, you know,
feels sad for this time. I'm like, well, you know,
(13:19):
it's just every every emotion in me just shuts down,
like it's just it's it so resonates. And I don't
know if you know the whole story behind that, but
it used to be fear and joy. So when they
were when they were yeah, when they were first doing
the whole concept, it was supposed to be kind of
the partnership was fear and joy, and it wasn't working.
And that's when they realize, oh, this needs to be
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sadness and joy, and sadness is what is used in
the very end to bring healing or just to kind
of help Riley grow in that process.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's really something picks l I think it's well, no
one underwrites them. Everyone knows Picks. That's very good. But
in terms of the writing that they seem to do
in the rewriting and fucking. There's probably not much better
going on in cinema. And I'm very worried about inside
out destroyment.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, the thing that's beautiful about inside out too, which
I'm sure you've heard, like there's the four new emotions
of anxiety and on we embarrassment, and envy. And my
daughter's now eighteen, but having walked through those teenage years
with her and seeing how those four kind of overtake,
you know, things, and I just wish I had that
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as a tool when I was in those years because
I remember when my daughter's name is Loy, and when
she was on Wes kind of bored them and she's
French and she's on her phone. She's like she's really
you know, always tired. And I remember when my daughter
was you know, kind of like that, and I was
always like, Loy, come on, let's do something like get up.
But just having the affirmation that that's a part of
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the process, you know, like that's to kind of like
give her that break and also not just me, but
for her to have felt seen you know, Yeah, I
feel like my life is spinning around and embarrassed all
that kind of stuff like you see me in that.
I mean, it's it's gonna be an incredible tool I
think for parents.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Is it a continuation for the director because it's further
understood inside Out came from his own daughter, from wanting
to understand why she'd been such a happy kid and
then she suddenly wasn't and he couldn't understand some of
the changes that she was going through, and that was
the inspiration for it. And I'm assuming inside Out too,
is that once she became a teenager.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I know that Kelsey Man, who's directing it, it
came from it, like a he was pitching the second one,
and it came from that personal experience. So I know
there's a lot to do with it, and just that,
I mean, just the overhaul that happens, I mean, and
not just with my daughter, just I remember with me,
just that kind of like you don't even know what's
happening in your body and you're starting to live in
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narratives in your head that are just feel so real
of what are they thinking about me? And I wish
I could be that. I mean, it's just all this
kind of like douche take over.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You know, well, all right, I guess I'm gonna have
wat you.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I think you're going to really like it. Man,
I think you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, Well I will see it, but I'm gonna have
to go and see it on my eye with a
hoodie because I'll be a wreck.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And I don't want to know. I want you to.
I want you to openly cry, and I want you
to be proud of it.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Shut up, Tony.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, I'd like to tape it, so I'll come with
you a video the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Tiny, I've I've forgotten to tell you something and I
should have told you at the beginning, and it's fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What I want is the two hundred times you've had
to say this. I want that on loop. I want
that transition over and over and over and over and
over and over. That's let's hard news sharing with somebody
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And what's weird about it is you think I'd have
learned something from how difficult it is. And yet maybe
this is something you learned from, like a film that Pixar.
Is that something that difficult to tell? You just block
it out? And I'm just surprised how you know this?
How you know this, Brett? Like, how are you able
to share this with people? Is this a gift you've
been given? Well you've died, just to bring you out
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to speak?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah? Oh yeah I assumed that. Yeah yeah, how do
you know that? How do you do I know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh because I am at the door. Oh you're at
the door.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah? Oh what? Okay? Is this? Like? Is is this
a gift you've used often in people's lives?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like just shows it about two hundred and ninety.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I just feel like there's other ways you can use
this gift, Like you could help a lot of people, maybe.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
By saying it before my heads.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Up, yeah, some something like the police could use you somehow,
Like I think this is a gift. I mean, if
you want to sell it's just use it for podcast reasons. Man,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The thing is I could use it to help the police.
But I'm busy.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Oh I see, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'm busy, okay, and I'm not sure what good is
it doing. Well, I'm going to the police. Don't they died,
they died, they died. They'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They get it. That's true. But you could at least
talk to it. I mean you're talking to me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, you could talk to the who killed you? Who
killed you?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, you've been kid.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I was gonna ask how you died?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Tedy have you been? I was not killed. I was
not killed. Okay, did I share with you how I died? Please?
I'd love you to. I was thinking about this and
I died eating my favorite meal. It was a quarter
pounded with cheese fries and then mcflurry from McDonald's. That's
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actually true. That is my favorite meal. And then I
went to sleep and just didn't wake up. That's that
sounds like a great time for me.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So how old were you when this happened. What's your
dream death age?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh, i'd say my dream death age. Well, it's not
a dream bread because it happened. So I guess, I
guess I'm I guess I'm about eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, yeah, yeah, But have you ever had a mcflurry?
I have had a mcflurry. It's a good last meal.
That's really it's just what you're having in it eminem's okay. Yeah, yeah,
but I just didn't wake up, and that just sounds great.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You had a massive corner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't know. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm just like you.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh oh, okay, damn, this is a gift, Brett. This
is a gift you really need to like tap into.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Man. I'm basic told you I'm busy.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You're busy making money? Man?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh how much money there is in telling people how
they died once they've died?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Not really? All right? I just okay. Hopefully maybe after
this you'll be inspired to use it for good. It's
a good idea. I'm not saying. I'm not saying this
isn't good, but okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But there are better uses for it. Tell me, really,
do you worry about deaf I don't know, Okay, I don't.
I will say not dying per se.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The maybe the how I die is something I wonder about. It.
I hope I have a mcflurry and die in my sleep,
you know. But it's that's something I do think about.
Do you think that's an after life? I do?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Can you tell me what you think it is for me?
I'll tell you if you're.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Right, exactly. Man, this gift. I can't wait to see
what other layers it has. My faith is a large
part of my life. It's very important to me, and
when I die, I'm probably not. Probably. I'm excited to
meet and hug and see the being that has strengthened
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me and loved me and walked with me throughout my life.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I like that very much. And I'll tell you what
you could have it.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Oh really, oh, Brett, I have been I have been
waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh damn, man, I never had someone wanting to hug it.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think it's gonna I think. I think. I think
he's gonna hug me much harder than I'm gonna hug him.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, yeah, he's a bit stronger. Yeah, he's out.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean, look at me.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Pretty powerful. Luckily you're in heaven's a going to cross
your binds. But could day anywhere else, anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's true. And I also think the whole idea of heaven,
I mean, it's been a kind of a interesting I
don't know if there is a separate heaven, if there's
kind of a if our earth will be restored and
redeemed almost one day. This is it's almost a what
was broken is now healed, so cleaned up. Yeah, because
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in kind of the faith community, a lot of it,
it looks kind of like a new Earth or just
restoration more and just healing. So we live, obviously, as
you know, in a very broken world that can get
really dark and that will be restored kind of a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well you can have it, Oh, Brett, please do it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
This is just my lucky day. Man. I oh, I
have been waiting for this. I didn't know it was
going to come in the version of you. But man,
that's the real twist. That's a real twist for me. Yeah.
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
People get here and they go who's that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And you say, hello, you know who I am? Yeah,
and they go I don't, I don't and I go
can you just do well? And then you go, well,
you might want to spend some time getting.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To know maybe, yeah, you might want to listen to
some previous books.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What number am I? By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Can't tell you exactly, but you're probably around the very
early three hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Dude, you are really putting money over helping others with
this gift you've been I know, I know. Well that's okay,
that's why I'm here. God sent me to tell you
that your gift is bigger than this.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'm like, shop God, just keep hugging him. This isn't
your business. This is about tiny give him the hug. Right,
So you get to heaven, which is like but nice,
and God gives you a big hug and everyone's very
excited to see you. And it's filmed with your favorite thing.
What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Laughing a lot?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh my god, it's it's like a madhouse.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Everyone like the kind of laughing. My buddy Greg Bradman
and my other buddy, Dusty Brown, when we get together,
it's like painful laughing. It's the kind of where you're you.
You have moments where you like, I think I'm gonna
hurt myself if you guys keep saying stuff. And that's
that's just heaven to me. That's it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's all over heaven, maniaco, laughing everywhere you go, and
everyone's very excited to see you. But they want to
talk about your life. But they want to talk about
your life through film. Can you imagine? Why did you
bring film into it?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I like talking about death, right, come on, we can
talk about Is this about film?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I never have enough talking about death.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Oh you have a gift, man, don't transfer to film.
It's a gift, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, but I'm interesting that you're not worried about death.
You're one of the few people don't worry about death.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Now, well, to be to be clear, to be clear,
I think again, the act of dying is not something
that I get exactly. I mean, I don't know how
that's going to happen, because yeah, because that's obviously can
be very very scary. And also my loved ones that
really scares me. But but dying and that what the
act of leaving their theraft does not, It is not
scare me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you think that that is in part to your
faith or have you Have you always been that way?
Was there a time where you used to be anxious
about death and that gone? Like I'm I'm asking this
because it's unusual. Most people tend to say, oh, yeah,
I worry about dying now you know, I worry about death.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I used to think about death a lot growing up.
And then I mean, I just there's this sounds very
maybe cheesy, but my relationship with God is so so personal,
and knowing that there's a there's a power that's much
higher and much bigger than me that is guiding me
and over this is so assuring to me that I
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just know there's a bigger there's a bigger reason that
I'm going to be then, just it's like another It's
like it to me, it's like when you fall asleep
and you just kind of go to it place, maybe
on a dream. You know. It's just that kind of
a transfer. It doesn't have the sting of fear to me. Now,
keep in mind, plenty of plenty of things have I mean,
I've done with anxiety and fear right in my life
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and plenty of things, and that's not that's not necessarily
what I'm not there.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I'm afraid we're gonna have to talk about films.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, I've just haded. They've just said, They've just said
everyone in heavens like, yeah, but we do we do
like films here Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean you're going from like majors to minors. But
all right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I don't know, it depends on the films. The first
thing they want to know is what is the first
film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Is that the first question they're asking Brett? Yeah, is
that what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I'm just please, please.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Share this gift with the world. Please share this gift.
I do I do. In ninety minute best. Okay, okay, okay.
So the first film I no, no, my memory is
not great, and total fairness, my memory is not good.
But the first film I remember seeing was Breakfast Club.
That was that was the because I was a kid
of the eighties and that was the first film I
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remember seeing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Do you see the cinema?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yes? Do you have siblings? I do have siblings. I
have a I have a brother who's a lawyer in
Atlanta and a sister who's a social worker. And I'm
North Carolina. Where are you in the order? I'm youngest Anthon.
They call me aunt just they actually they call me aunt.
It's not even Anthony, it's aunt Aunt. I was like, well,
that's that's going to help the shame that I mentioned earlier.
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So yeah, I did not. I don't know who I
went with, but I remember seeing it and it just resonating.
I thought it was the coolest because it represented every
group in high school. To me, it was kind of like,
obviously the really popular girl, and then the jock, and
then the goth girl, and then the the nerdy kid.
And I was definitely in kind of the nerdy the
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nerdy group, but I just i'd never seen anything like
it before you did it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Make you onto act? Do you remember that now?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Just how would always do theater in high school?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And it was like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
When of course I'm just blanking on his name, Judd Nelson,
when he started dancing on the when they were all
kind of rocking out, and just that sense of that
I can speak for myself, but watching these groups which
are so separate come together in a time of crisis
and like thinking like, oh, that would be cool, because
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in my head I'm thinking, well, that would be cool
if she actually thought I was cool, and then you
know if oh man, they're so kind to like the
dark goth girl, but then she kind of put him
to shame. Like you just kind of saw these power
dynamics going on. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I watched it again recently on the plane because I'd
gone through a phase. I I loved it when I
was young, and then I watched it and I thought
it was shit. And then I watched it again and
I was like, oh, it's it isn't shit, And there's
a bit in it that's really interesting which I'd forgotten,
which is like towards the end where I think it's
Anthony Michaelho says will we all hang out on Monday
when we're in front of everyone at school and she's
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like no, And that doesn't change, it doesn't get resolved.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
No. But also like what a powerful thing to do
for a filmmaker to do, just to be like, no,
let's stick to the truth that they're not going to
hang out. Yeah, And what pisses me off? It was
her that said it. You know, it was just like
because he probably been like can we you.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Know, and she's like that in front about it?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Which click? Were you and were you a jack?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
We don't sort of have that in England the way
that they are in American films.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What group were you in? Would you say I was
like a chameleon? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, I think yeah, it's just sort of I was a.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Little bit of that. I was a little bit kind
of like I'll be whatever you want me to be
if you like me kind of thing I was. I
was very much that, like you want me to wear
black and be god, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know, what is the film that made you cry
the most? You a crier?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I am a crier. I like to cry a lot. Actually,
you're not ashamed of it like me. I don't think
you're ashamed of it. Shut up. Oh I'm gonna get
those tears, dang it. In this ninety minutes, there was
a lot and Inside Out is one of them. And
I'm not kidding, it's right, it's right here because I said,
they realize the sadness is a part of the equation.
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But the other one that made me really cry was
this sounds dark, but the Hours? Did you see the Hour?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And it was late yep, it was like the nineties
in New York, and I was in a real I
was going through a really hard time and that movie
there's just so much despair and so much existential thought,
and I was just feeling really low and seeing in
film just the questions they were asking and then the
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way that I don't know, it just it showed the
power of just just being seen and not giving answers
for me, because I remember just crying in the theater,
being like I'm I wasn't like suicidal, but I was
just really suffering and really sad. And I was like,
that's how That's how I'm feeling. You know it just
because a lot of times and you know this, it's
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like people when you're in heavy places they're just like,
you know, it keep going and that's it's going to
get better, and which is great, but just it was
like it was like the movie was sitting with me
and just being sad with me. That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And do you think that sort of made you feel better?
Because it was like, yeah, yeah, just feel this depressed.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It did. It was heavy, but it was kind of
like yeah, and it's actually, yeah, something else, but that's yeah,
that's I think there was just a lot of power
to kind of like when I was saying about inside
out too, of like these teenagers, seeing them these versions
of their emotions and not even giving answers, but just like, yeah,
I feel that I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy for
feeling that. Yeah, but I cry a lot, like I
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cry at commercials, YouTube video and mainly cry. If somebody
sends me a YouTube videos of like soldiers coming home,
I'm like, bye bye bye bye. Uh I can't, I can't,
and I'll I'll write back, my wife will send it
to me and I'll just write no, nope, I'm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Not doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You've really justified the hours. That's really interesting. I think
that I film that the hours I struggled with because
I kind of was like, what's the point of this.
It's so depressing that I feel like, what are you
telling me other than life is really really depressing. But
I had never considered it as your side of it,
a feeling seen and it making you feel less alive.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So you've changed, You've changed my life. You're welcome to
add to that. I think maybe because those people in
the movie, you know, the Nicole Kidman character and the
Ed Harris character, they really the balance was going so
much into the depression that they just couldn't. And I
still I did have hope, and I did have another
side working with me, and so it wasn't as dark
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as them, but it was at least I felt seen
for that side. But back then maybe it might have been.
Back then when I was in this faith community, there
wasn't a lot of allowance for or you know, just
feeling sad. It was just like hope, hope, hope, and
it's like, you know, God, all emotions are valid, you know,
and you're and this this life is shitty and you
got to walk through it. You know?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
What about Being Scared? Was the film that scared you
the most? Do you not being scared.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, I don't. I don't like being scared, and I'm
playing fear inside out too. Nightmare and Elm Street was
definitely the worst because that and actually that's the last
horror movie I've seen, no way, Yeah, that's the last
one I've seen. Because here's the thing, like I get
why people I don't get why, but I can somewhat
see that people get a kick out of seeing scary things.
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I was so petrified because you know, Freddy could get
into your dreams and he could like you weren't escaping
from him. That was the whole kind of brilliance of
that film. You could not escape. And my brother came
in with one of those gloves with like the nails
on the or the knives on the fingers and just heat.
To this day feels bad about it. But I was
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so trying, I was so terrified, and to that I
just never I can't separate. There's also this there is
so much fear in the world. I'm like, why are
we sitting in a room and being scared together? And
maybe some people, I know it makes them feel alive
or they like they feel safe in the fear. Maybe
that's a component of it, but I'm like, I never
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saw it. But there's one film where someone's like in
the basement and they're like, have you checked I'm inside
the house. That whole thing. I just heard that line.
I never even saw the movie and I just heard
that line, and I will I remember as a kid
or like being in a house and being like, well,
they're in the basement. I mean it's like I have
enough of it. I have enough of a creative imagination
to be like some people can see this stuff and go, oh,
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that's fun. I see it, and I'm like, someone's after me,
Like I gotta I gotta protect me and my family
from what I just saw.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, well, I believe that the point of them that
it's like from what I understand that it's like a
roller coaster, that there's a safe way of cathartically exercising
your fears. So your body goes through this like adrenaline
of rash. There's someone that has all that, but at
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the end of the day, it's just a film and
it ends and you're perched of those terrorists supposedly, And
I think that in my experience, and I like horror films,
that's true until occasionally you go too far, and then
you watch one that fucks you up forever, and you go,
I regret that one. Yeah, like that one didn't end
when the film ended. They're now in my.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, and I would I would say that times a
hundred for me, like I can't. There's no one that
I want to walk away and go close the chapter
on that I'm walking into my house and convinced that,
you know, Jason's in my home? Am I going to
lock up all the doors? Ever since I was a kid.
I don't know if it's because the night man on
street or I saw something, but I had this irrational
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fear of looking out the window and just seeing a
guy staring back at me, or like closing a shade
and just having a guy right there staring at me.
Forget it, just forget, like I'm already I'm already freaked out.
I don't need to pay money. I'll watch CNN and
be justice freaked out. You know, it's like I can't.
I just have a art. And my wife is fascinated
(35:17):
by it because she's like, you are an actor, like
you know this is not real, and like she'll watch
the heavy shows like Hamdmaid's Tail, or just heavy stuff
and I just can't. It's too much for me. And
she's like, you're an actor, how do you not And
I'm like, yes, it's different when you're performing it then
when for me when I'm watching it, because there's something
in my head that's like, yeah, that might not be real,
(35:40):
but that happened to someone in the world unless it's
like unless it's like fantasy or something, which I like,
like Lord of the Rings and all that kind of stuff,
but if it like really could happen, I'm like, that
happened to somebody, So why am I wanting to watch
a representation of that unscreen? You know, I don't know.
I did interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You're a sensitive so.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Too way too sensitive?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, I get it. What is the film that you love?
People don't like it, it is not critically acclaimed, but
you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Unconditionally is a stretch.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But with conditions, with condition.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But probably one that I grew to love is I
had to see the Taylor swift Eras tour film with
my daughter I think four times, and I was like,
I need medication after each time, but like, because it
was this bonding time with my daughter, I grew to
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love it, and we would sing the songs together. And
then I might every now and then find myself playing
her songs in my car because it like I remember
that connection we had watching you know the movie together
because she went to the concert. I didn't go to
the concert, but we would. She would want me to
see the movie and we would go and and even
one time she was having a hard time and I said, well,
(36:59):
and I said, well, let's go to the Aerostour. Let's
go to the movie and watch Aerostour.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I love it becoming a thing where you're like, you're sad, right,
you seem sad. We should be going. Let's other night,
we need to go watch.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The other high school musical. I remember watching that with
her as a kid, and it was like a nice
like she loved it and it was a nice like
bonding experience. That's very sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Well those are Tyler Swift saved cinema, So we are grateful.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I mean, she is just printing cash.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
She used to path for good. She saved cinema.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
She did see. Now that's an example how you can
use your gift for good. Brett, you might want to
take notes. I'm so glad. I'm so glad God brought
me here to share this with you. I think this,
this three hundredth episode is a moment for you.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So you're saying a wrap up, wrap up the podcast
and just go to the police station and just tell
them where all the bodies are and.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Listen, if you can have a conversation with me, a
dead person you can have. I mean think we're talking
thousands of people you can have a conversation with. I
mean you have to be on a podcast might to
have these conversations. You could have them, and then you
could say I talked to them, and this is the
person that came at him with a knife.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'll say I told him this is the person that
came out with and their favorite film is Eat.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And then the police will go, okay, I don't don't
about them. Can you can you go to jails you like? No,
I hear you. But the one that they're really embarrassed
about that they saw was high school musical.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah there are swifty, Now there are swifty.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, Hey, hey Brett, I don't really care about tails.
I want to know exactly the details of the murder. No, no,
I totally hear you. But the thing that really pricked.
Their heart was inside out too.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
What is a film that you used to have? Oh
you loved it, Tony, you loved it, but you recently
and you've got I don't like this anymore because you
might have changed.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Not the film. I might get a lot of flat
but big chills, the big chill go on. I know, okay, many, Yeah,
this is a class film and I recently saw it.
And there's there's a scene where there's a woman that
there's a character in the film who's having a hard
time getting pregnant. She she wants to get pregnant, and
Glenn closes, character tells her husband, Kevin kleined, you know what,
(39:16):
I want you to sleep with her tonight and I'm
gonna set up the room and you guys, you guys
have fun. And then the next morning they're just glowing
and everything is like isn't that great? And I'm like
what what? I was watching it because I hadn't seen
it a long time, and I was.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Like, yeah, ah, what just happened?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And it was I mean, I've been married for twenty
one years. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they're
out there, but someone being like, you know what, here's
my husband. Just go up to my room. I'm gonna
make the bed really nice. You guys have sex, have
a bit. Are you gonna tell me something I don't.
It's time for me to reciprocate. You could use your gifts.
(39:57):
You tell a gift of marriage tont other people. Oh
but God, God is really using both of us today.
I did not know that until today. Something I was
like jarred by in the movie is true?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Is your test today? But they say wonderful gift?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh my gosh. I can't wait to tell all my friend.
I can't wait tell my wife this. Actually, she's gonna
be delighted. I think I think she's gonna be really receptive. Man.
I am so glad. I came today to thank you.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
What is the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the
experience you had seeing the film will always make it
meaningful to you to.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh, goonies, go on, Because that's that's another thing. I
want my ringtone on my phone to be Brett going
go on, go on. Hello.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
That could be your text message, go on go on.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, goonies, because I remember seeing that and I was
a kid who had pretty bad asthma, and the main
character carried around his inhaler and I always had. I
was always so embarrassed to carry on min inhaler and
I had. I was in and out of like I
had asthma attacks all the time, and my mom would
like attach three of them to me on the during
the day. And when I saw that movie and the
(41:27):
lead character had asthma and used his inhaler, I was
like whoa, And it was just I was just not
expecting it, and it was really like, Okay, okay, maybe
maybe I'm not what I think. Maybe it's not cool
to have asthma, but like if he can have asthma,
then maybe I'm not such a freak. Maybe I could
be a lead Maybe I could be a lead character.
(41:50):
Just the adventure of that movie, I mean it to me,
it was every fantasy. I mean it was the film
is one big escape room almost like they go through
all these things and then they I mean, I remember
playing the bones on the piano and just thinking, oh
my god, don't hit the wrong note to the stone's
gonna fall and they're gonna fall down, or I mean
(42:11):
just all this like going down the slide and all
the surprises. It was just, man, it was just it
was every fantasy you want, you know, you're just like
and then kind of thinking like is that going to happen?
And then not just that there's treasure at the end,
which is like obviously every kid's dream, and then who
is the big guy? Yeah, that guy with like the
strand of hair, and just how the kid loved him
(42:33):
and I'm forgetting their names now, but it was just
it was really a great, great package.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's a lovely that is a lovely answer.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And Richard Donner directed it. I mean a lot of
people think Spielberg directed it, but Richard Donner directed it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Richard Donner is in the Rob Ryan the category of
like he's one of the greats, made so many classics
and they're all completely different, different.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
He's amazing Spielberg producer. But yeah, you directed it.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, what's the film you might relate to?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I would say, maybe not related to, but I the
one that I had Probably maybe this might be the
last question too, that I might be mixing these, but
Punch Drunk Love was one that I just I don't know.
There was something about his awakening, like Adam Sandler's awakening
in the end when Phillips sumer Hoffmann, he just lets
Philip Seymour Hoffman have it. And just that kind of
(43:21):
growth pattern of just getting out of yourself and working
on yourself, and in the way Paul Thomas Anderson did it.
I remember, there's so many that's really hard to put
into words because there's so many things that happened in
that watching that film for me of down to like
the transitions, those those color bars. It was the magical
realism of it all and how it was done so authentically,
(43:42):
and him bashing the window and all the sisters and
and the piano like was like, where the what the
was a piano? Me? You know, it's just what's going on?
But leaving that question up there and not answered, you know,
and just like and everybody kind of interpreting it and
him him making a mistake and then it just blow
up and then just like go in and just facing
(44:02):
it off. And in that time when he's in the
car with a is it Emily Watson I think, And
he's in the car and and someone he bashes him
or something, but he just steps out of the car
with the bat and it's just like just you're just
like damn straight man, just like yeah, yeah, I mean
he just let them have it, let them have it,
(44:24):
let Philip Seymour Hoffman have it. And at the same
time balanced breaking down with his brother in law in
that room where he started crying. So it was just
this like all levels of humanity. I just I love
that movie. That might have been the last question. Actually
instead of Gooni's Goonies might be the one that I
(44:46):
related to the most because the asthma, I.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Mean, listen, it works, it works at both Do you
know that punstrung love? Do you know the theory that
it's about Superman, that he's Superman?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Do you know that? I don't know, but I know
what my Google search is going to be tonight.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, A look, wow Superman. Anyway, I have a look.
I have a think about it later.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And also also just like the surprise that Paul tammis saying,
I mean a magnolia when the frogs come out of
the sky, and it's just like he's fucking amazing, amazing
and just but able trusting the process enough to just
leave it with the question, you know, just leave it
with a question and not feel the need to answer
it or put a bow on it, just like leave it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You know, it's just you know the thing with Magneiliad
with the frogs. I once read this thing. Magneli is
one of my top ten films, and the film is
about death. And he written it and made it after
his dad died. And I believe he said that the
feeling when his dad died was so unfathomable. He was like,
frogs may as well rain from the sky. Wow, And
(45:51):
that was kind of the That's where Magnanelia came from.
It's like that amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
And what I love about it is even seeing Punch
Drug Glove for the first time his work, the process.
I so was in it, and I was so trusting
it that when frogs came or I just was, I
just went along with it, you know, I did it
because he just carried it in such a masterful way.
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
The best well is the sexiest film I've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Tiny? What films have you been in? Bregg? That's the
answer from me.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
No, Uh, the sexiest film I thought mine was Mulan
Rouge because because when I grew up, it was like
the sexiest was like poor Keys and about last all
these kind of things, and even today it's like how
far can we push sex?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Like how far? And then it's just pretty much sophocore porn,
you know. But mulan Rouge was damn dude. Like I
remember being in the car and hearing you McGregor's voice
and being like pretending I was him singing, singing that song.
And then when Setine comes down from the sky in
that club and psych it's the one of the most
(47:01):
romantic movies. And boz Leerman what he it was just
it's eye candy and it's so beautiful and just when
they meet on the roof, and I mean it's I
just think it's really sexy.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's a great movie. That that's my favorite of his.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I love it. There are so many Brett clips I
want on my phone. I got it. I gotta get
I gotta, I gotta record this stuff. Oh we are
recording it perfect. I got you.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Now, what is objectively objective? Objectively the greatest film of
all time might not be your favorite, but it's there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's that's a little catch I would say for me.
For me, Lars and the Real Girl is my one.
I think one of the one of the best movies by.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You are fucking shitmy do you know you will not notice?
The first thing that I did was the first big
film that I I write enacted in is a film
called Superbob. You won't know this until but in the
making of.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
It, I think you're about to say, I was in Lars.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
And but Las Nilga was our like template, was our
like thing we watched for tone and mode. We were
obsessed with that film.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I mean, brilliant, brilliant film. I mean, I could talk
so much about it. But when obviously Ryan Gosling has
our blow up doll, and you know it's he's isolated
and he connects to the blow up doll and all
this kind of stuff. But the scene, so many scenes,
but the scene that I just fall a pardon is
when he's putting the doll to death. And it's not
(48:36):
just that, it's when the community comes together and sits
in the living room and just sits with him and
doesn't say anything. And I'm like, that to me is
like a version of the hours sitting with somebody and
just being sad with them, you know, Like it's a
picture of what I believe God has given community for
(48:56):
to see each other to walk with each other when
I think God does without like it's it's stunning. It's
really stunning. And I think the acting is obviously great,
and I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I love that you've said that has not come up enough.
It's a fucking great film. And also I think it
was like not successful enough because I think because the idea,
the premise of it sounds like a gike. It's absolutely
not what the film is a man with a sex style.
You're sort of like, it is not that film, and
it is that film but beautiful.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
But and just and it's not even it's not even
the grief process. But it's how that community accepted that doll.
Yeah you know. And I mean obviously they're probably walking
around going that doesn't that's a doll, right, But they
were like, you know what, for him to heal, we
need to come alongside him and be like, introduce this
doll into the community. It's just like, come on, man,
(49:46):
it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It is what is the film that you could or
have Wat's de Mice to over and over again.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think Breakfast Club I could watch over and over
really because and I don't say that about Lara's and
the real girl, because Lara's and the real is so
emotional to me that I don't want to. I don't
want to, like, what's the word, dissipate it or just
to kind of fin it out. I want to keep
the power of it. But Breakfast Club has a real
nostalgia to it for me, and it's not just a nostalgia.
(50:14):
It reminds me this is this is getting I don't
want to get dark, but it reminds me how fleeting
this business is and how fleeting life is. It's like
when I every now and then you pass by a
graveyard and you're like, yep, yep, that's going to happen.
That's going to happen. And you know, you look at
Breakfast Club and obviously those people are you know, still alive,
but you know older, and they used to be the
(50:37):
ship and they're you know, you know, somebody else is
the ship. And it's super cyclical. And it reminds me
of do not give power to something that can't hold
it because it's fleeting, you know, And we can make
good stuff and we can try our hardest and we
can love, you know, but it's not about that. It's
about so much more and it's just it's always a
(50:58):
good reminder. So I go back to that be like, yeah,
I'm giving a lot of power to this business. That is,
it's cyclical and it's fleeting, and I need to kind
of shift myself a little bit. Really good, really good,
You're really good at this. I don't know, man, I'm
telling you, you're the one with the gift that is
(51:20):
not is not sharing it.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I'm just here. I'm just here to to to share
serve you.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I just don't think this is the place you have
to stop sharing it. I think you need to use
it for a greater gooft. You can talk to dead.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Very busy tiny. God's fleeting, man.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
It's fleeting, and it's cyclical, but you can do like
eternal ships, like you can really speak into dead people's
lives and like kill them from the inside out. Anyways,
if you ever't want to talk, I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I have a feeling money is going to take precedence,
But okay.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You're in. You're very funny. What's the film that made
you laugh about? That's what they want to do?
Speaker 2 (52:04):
What do they they want to know? It? All right?
I have several not several out of a few Bridesmaids
made me laugh really hard, hilarious, and all of the
Christopher Guest movies making me laugh really hard, especially Waiting
for Guffman. Waiting for Guffman. It's so well done and
at the time it was so new and it just
(52:24):
was I mean, Catherine, Katherine O'Hara, I want, I want
to say Katain Hahn, but I get Katherine O'Hara. I
met her once and I just uh, I mean, obviously
because of ship's creak and stuff, but it's like she
you know, you we hear the like genius words thrown
around a lot. It's like genius, genius, and it's like
it can kind of get watered down, but she really
(52:45):
has a touch of the genius where I'm like, what
she does with character is it's so special and so
specific and funny to me. I just I love her
so much. And then Meliss McCarthy and Bridesmaids that scene
where she's you know, pooping in the and just has
all the puppy takes all the puppies from the bridle
(53:05):
shower and she's like, listen, man, they gave them to me,
so I took him. And I think Rose Burn and
that is so funny. I mean it's just a really
good obviously. Kristen Wegg oh oh, I will say this
what I enjoy watching. I don't know if they do
it for Christopher guests, but my favorite thing to watch
is the Bridesmaid bloopers on YouTube because watching them watching
(53:27):
them crack themselves up is so so funny. I will
look for that.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, Tony Haile, you have been an absolute fucking delight.
Beyond the delight. I've loved this. However, when you were
eighty seven years old, you had a quarter pounder with
cheese with flies and it flurry and eminem at flurry,
and you went home to bed. You got in your
bed and you peacefully closed your eyes, and then in
(53:53):
your sleep you had a massive coronary and you're explained,
oh huge, huge, like huge, oh you know, like horror
your your chest, sort of like ACTU.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Sleep first first. I know what my family to see that.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I know, but that's luckily lucky for you. I'm walking
past River coffin, you know what. I'm like, It's late
at night and I'm like this Tinese place. I don't
want his family to see it. So I come in
the room and by his chest, explained this sleep. We
didn't feel anybody. It was grass. There's everywhere, and your
wife's asleep, so I'm sort of having to clean.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
You're bigger than I was expecting, so I'm having to
like quietly.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Just like we don't need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Okay, put you in the coffin, but jam you in, right,
But it's absolutely jammed in there. There's there's jam. There's
no room in it. There's only enough room for me
to slip one DVD into the side, all right, man,
and on the other side, O fat movie now yeah, okay, okay, great, well,
it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
We're out of the right size coffin. It's actually just
very small coffee.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
It's having to do with you. It's decided to confine,
all right, okay, is only enough for me to put
one DVD in the side, if you just take your
cross to the other side. And on the other side,
which is also here, it's Maybe night every night. Everyone's laughing.
What is the film you are taking to show the
people of heaven and f when it is your Maybe night?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
First of all, great job, all right, great job, great job. Bratt.
My answer to that is, for twelve years, every summer,
my family gets together and I do a little iMovie
clip with music, and I put all videos together and
I do the side movie and they're like twelve minutes long.
I would combine all those into a DVD and I
(55:44):
would lay those on me. That's what I'd want to take.
That's a really nice sentence. Do you walk into people's
Do you just really walk into people's homes in addition
to speaking into their lives?
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, but always with a coffin, like as in it
ain't great for the people in the house who aren't dead.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
It is always like oh, and they also don't make
it up, so it's like.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Sometimes they just in your case, you were like it
because sometimes I make a noise because they're banging the
coffee up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Like a large cop because I'm a pretty big dude.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
This is also it's on me a bit because it's
probably more efficient. We can bring the body downstairs, but
I bring the coffee up.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
But man, I exploded like full on, like yeah, you
were some kind of popcorn. So that was it was
a mess. Well thank you for doing that, man.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
That mental wife to say, oh, yeah, yeah, they didn't
see any of this.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Casual that no work, no worse.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Tell me, is there anything people should be listening to,
watching looking out for in the coming weeks and months?
Inside Out too? I believe it's the main one. Is
there anything else?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Inside Out two? And then that series I did Italy
is coming out. It's called The The Camera and it's
on Netflix on have you heard of the Netflix?
Speaker 1 (56:53):
The Netflix?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
No? Is that? Yeah, it's nice to support a startup company.
So we're we just as we go with them.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Is it a comedy drum?
Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's a very dark, dark comedy. It takes place during
the Black Plague and it's really fun. This woman, this
incredibly talented woman named Kathleen Jordan, was the showrunner and
a lot of a lot of your people, a lot
of ukres.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, Toney, thank you for the inspiration. And I and
I've really enjoyed our time together. And perhaps I will
use this gift for for better that'd be nice. And
I hope that you use your gift of of marriage
that we've now worked out the what it was for.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I just cannot wait to tell my wife. I really
think she's good to love it. Can I tell her
that you approved that all right?
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
I mean cut to you going like coming over and
be like, well, your husband died, so I'm Brett. I'm Brett.
That's dark all right, dude. It's so nice meeting you man,
so nice.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
I've loved this. Have a wonderful death. I will stop
the recording. Good day to you, sir. Thank you so
much to Tony for being so open giving me his time,
being so brilliant. Thanks to Scruby's PIP and the Distraction
Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks
to iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network for
(58:21):
hosting it. Thanks to Adam Ridgson for the graphics and
Lisa Ladam for the photography. Come and join me next
week for another excellent guest. But that is it for now.
In the meantime, have a lovely week, and please be
excellent to each other.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
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