November 21, 2024 • 24 mins
In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, we catch up with Kevin "Konkrete" Davis to learn about his journey since leaving Shekinah Church and 7M Films. He shares how “Krumping” led him to the church, reflects on his challenging experiences there, and explains why it ultimately wasn’t the right fit. Kevin also discusses his growing relationship with his wife, Kailea, and his current pursuits in life, art and dance.
Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
If I have to walk in faith and not hear
a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have that
type of faith in like when it's a trust No man,
I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my forehead.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. I'm Jessicasavetto,
executive producer of the Netflix series Dancing for the Devil
The Seven M TikTok Cult. This documentary series explored the
story of Robert Shin, the La based Chakaina Church and
Seven M Films. Shin founded Chakaina Church over two decades
ago before establishing Seven M Films and is named in
(00:45):
a civil lawsuit alleging abuse and cult like behavior.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And I'm Kalia Gray, former member of Chicina Church and
Seven M Films. In this episode, we are speaking with
former Chakaina member and seven M Films dancer Kevin Concrete
Davis my husband to find out what he's been doing
since leaving Chicina Church and Seven M Films.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Kevin will share how.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
His involvement in crumping led him to the church, recount
some of his most distressing experiences as a member, and
explain how he realized it wasn't the right place for him.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He'll also be discussing his growing connection with his now
wife Kalia my co host Whoop Woop. Finally, Kevin will
talk about his current endeavors and how he's advancing his
life and dance career.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Justa heads up, we had so much that we covered
in our Conversation with Kevin, we split it up into
two episodes, So now this is part one of our
Conversation with my husband Kevin. We're here with my husband,
(01:52):
Kevin Concrete Davis.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Really appreciate you taking time out of your very busy schedule.
You travel all around the world, so it's nice to
at least get to travel somewhere together this time.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
We're excited to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Have you, so thank you for coming.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I haven't seen you since the doc came out. We've
spoken a few times. But how are things going?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know, I'm well. You know I have been checking
on my health. I know that's something that me and
wife You've been like really focusing on. As far as
dance and stuff has been lining up. You know where
I want to go at it? You know, I don't
want to necessarily stop Crump, but I want to do
something that's going to provide opportunities for others, of course,
and just getting that lined up.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
At the end of the dock we saw obviously you
went on tour with Beyonce. You were also starting Wildlife.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my personal brand. That explains my
involvement with Crump. You know, in case people see how
I dance, I have a world for them where they
could just learn from even from people that are under
me as well as far as a concrete fam Can.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You tell us a little bit about how you first
got into dance and what th you to Crump specifically?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh? Man, At first I was playing basketball, you know,
street ball and aau and then high school came that
was getting serious. But during that time, I have dancers
in my family, so I would always follow one of
my cousins. His name was Gregor. He was a clown
dancer and I will watch him secretly, like what the
heck is that? So the movies came out like You
(03:24):
Got Served, and when Riots came.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Out, I was already kind of crumping, you know. I
thought I was hot stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
At high school where the big old shirts with the
spray pain and the do rag.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Looking likes and the do rag I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Mean tall teas to the ankles.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So I think that time I grew up, you know,
art was at an all time high in creativity.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
That's when like boys and.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Girls clubs was happening and all those dope activities.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So dance just took over.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you see that there's like a younger Crump community
coming up or there young people that are still finding
the dance style.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Oh yeah, it's around the world now, Like I know
Japan got pla kids, and I know France has been
picking up with the youth.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Canada has a lot of when he says Crump is
around the world, Like that was one of the things
when like after getting to know Kevin getting more into
the Crump scene and like getting to know the Crump scene,
I was so blown away about how he'll be in
these remote places and be like, oh yeah, one of
my little homies is gonna come pick me up and
we're going to go session. And I'm like, you're in Switzerland,
Like you're in like no, like you know well to us,
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like almost like the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, you're in Germany.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're in Belgium and there's someone there that knows where
the sessions are.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And that was concrete.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
How do you know these people? Man? This is my world?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Which was really cool to see because we were still
filming when you started a tour, and so just to
see you're doing this big tour and you're posting on
this like global stage with Beyonce and then you're just
with your crew and the streets of Belgium or Germany
or wherever you were. So it was really cool to
see both of those worlds collde for sure. Well, speaking
(05:02):
of the documentary.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Let me get my drink. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
How has it been since the documentary dropped? What was
that like for you?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That experience when I pulled back to look at the
bigger picture, I learned a lot. I learned how many
people have been involved and how many people don't understand it.
So I don't want to necessarily talk some trash about it,
but they just didn't understand what was going on, and
it actually allowed me to learn how much I didn't understand.
(05:32):
It was a lot of like I won't say hate,
but I found out a lot about how dancers felt,
you know, the kind of like people who just pull
back and I was like, dang, I wouldn't even think
it would be this person, or I thought we were
like really cool like.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
That, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was it was literally some dance drama. Yeah, it
was like what I thought. You know, I'm thinking we're grown.
But a lot of people took the high school route.
Unfortunately we got to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, it was a really big learning process. I will
say too, I don't know, I think even like how
you had mentioned how like when the situation had first
been brought about and then like the documentary coming out,
it was like an opportunity for people to essentially shit
on you. So like when you're saying, like they said
what they really felt in their heart, it's like just
because they saw some dramas, like oh, I could say
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how I feel about this person. But then as the
documentary came out, you get to realize what the situation
was about, and then a lot of them had to
pull back, like oop, I just kind of said how
I felt on the inside, actually this situation is crazy.
You're a victim? Why am I bashing the victims? Which
was really wild to see like happen in real time.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know, when you're only getting information fed to you
from social media and you're getting one side of the story.
That was why the documentary was so important, because you know,
we were hearing things about even with Kylie's experience with
her dance group and her kids, and like the potential
dangers that could provide given what we know about Robert
(06:59):
and the church, and you know, there's speculation there, and
you know, we were exploring that route at one point
to be like what is this and then to later
learn how much she loves those kids. You know, I
hope that majority of the people really did see that.
You guys were going through some shit.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, we did have some people that were like, all right, yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Bro, I didn't even know. Man.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know, I'll apologize or just send some you know,
energy our way and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
After the break, we continue our conversation with Kevin. This
is forgive me for I have followed.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We'll be right back. Welcome back to.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Forgive me for I have followed. Now back to our
conversation with Kevin.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Let's take it back a little bit to the beginning
and how we first got involved with Chakaina.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So what led you to Chakina Church.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I'm gonna go to a moment where it involves
me and my interest in Crump.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So you know, what led me to the dance is
the fam aspect.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And then what led me to the fam aspect was
the fact that I did go to church since I
was thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So when you say the fam aspect of Crump, can
you explain that a little bit for people that don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I like the brotherhood and the sisterhood of the
hype ups. If you look at Crump and you look
at how the circle gives you energy, I didn't even
see that in other styles, So I was like, wait,
why they jumping like that? Like wait, why they all
wearing timberlands? Wait, what's going on in there?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Ripping? God? Oh that's dope. You know. That led me
to wanting to stick with Crump, and.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Then I ended up meeting the tight Eyes, the beat
Ashes and all these people that were actually on Rise
as well. You know, So with that understanding, you know,
my passion for Crump, beat Ash, you know, just gave
me a call, which is a normal thing. If I
ever moved back to Sacramento, he would be like, yo,
you know, we should do some work or you know,
(09:01):
we'll both find out that somebody wants to work with us.
So I would come back down to La probably end
up getting apartment here, stay for a year, and then
I'll take my head right back to Sacramento. So one
of those times I moved back to Sack, I met Khalia.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
You know, we hit it off, and.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Beat Ash contact me like, Yo, we got some people
that want to film, and you know, I've been filming
with Isaiah, which I already knew because I've done work
with Isaiah before, even before Chkaana and I.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Took a trip.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And despite the other stuff that happened at the other church,
I still wanted to be involved with a place I
can go to for spiritual guidance, which is common for
a lot of us, you know what I mean, especially men.
You know, we want to be the mentors. I was
brought up in that in that time. Like my mom
she gave me a mentor when I was younger with
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the boys and girls clubs. So I'm kind of like
used to it to where I had to be a mentor,
you know in boys and girls clubs.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So and there really is strength in community.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, definitely strengthened community. So we were invited to the
Bible studies. I asked.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I was like, a Khalia come, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
To Daniel, he was like, yeah, for sure, she could come,
and I think he explained that it was women's and
men's so she kept saying all men's Bible studies.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But I'm like, well, it's a Bible study, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So I'm gonna go ahead and bring my wife, you know,
So we would have these Bible studies. Then I'm seeing
all the people that I knew, like, okay, Rain, no,
you got Slavic. They even told me Chez was there.
And around that time, I wasn't talking to Chiz. We
didn't have Beef, We just didn't associate in that way
like we used to. But when I saw him there,
(10:38):
I'm like, dang, this is a good time because me,
Chez and Beefs just did a video and you know,
maybe something stirring up again where we could come back strong.
And like I know, tight Iy's brother passed and it
was a big hit for Crump and I'm thinking, like, man,
we gotta put the energy behind this movement in our
big homie, you know, tight eyes.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I'm like, all right, er died, bro, whatever beef we had.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We throwing that out because now we got a second
chance to like go crazy and we got people of
God to help us.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Man, this is one hundred percent fire.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And ended up coming back, and you know, Kalia saw
me all hyped.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I was like, man, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm gonna take my talents to Los Angeles again again.
But it was something I had to risk with Kalia
because I just met her. And then I'm like, even
though I don't want to move back, I feel like
I have to for some reason.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And I know you got the.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Baby and I'm considering her, you know what I mean?
And she said, you know what, I'm a slide with you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Was the distance between you and Chez and you and
Beatash at the time because of the previous church. Were
you a part of the previous church or not at all?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I was, but I don't want to say I joined
that church.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I kind of wasn't paying attention because I was young
and I'm in Long Beach and I'm crumping and.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I've been on TV bro, like I know, God, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I was still going back and going back or if
my son, you know what I mean. I knew my flow,
but when I came to La, I'm like, bro, I
would notice stuff, but I wasn't paying attention to it.
So kinda was the first time I joined the church
and like wanted to become something further in my spiritual walk.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
What was that journey like for you in Chakaina, like
your faith journey, how it evolve while you were there?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I don't know, man, I feel like I was getting
taught to be an opportunist or a scared Christian and
I already had a problem with that in the first place,
which was something in that first church that I learned
after we left, like oh that's what he was teaching.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It made me closer to God though, for real, for real,
Like if I have to walk in faith and not
hear a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have
that type of faith in like when it's say trust no, man,
I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Forehead, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And then the word I did learn there's people who
do his works that Jesus don't even know. So you
could be doing his works, but you could put that
ear right back on his head. I can't even trust you,
you know, and say it in a word. So it
made me literally get back in a prayer on my
own time, you know, and it knocked it off a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Of course. I feel like God.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Knew that you're gonna be mad Son, but you got it.
Until this day, I'm still like, I'm cool. I'll hear
a sermon, but I'm not joining the church, and I'm
peaceful with that. But it's still a journey, you know.
I don't think that's ever going to be an endpoint.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We'll be back with part one of our conversation with Kevin.
This is forgive me for I have followed. Welcome back
to forgive me for I have followed now the conclusion
of part one of our conversation with Kevin.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you get brought into Chakaina from beat Ash James
and get invited to the Bible studies. Pulliah shared with
us that you then go to the dinner and you know,
go deeper into that community. I guess, for lack of
better words, yeah, when did you meet Daniel and all
(14:15):
of this? Who ended up being your mentor. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I met Daniel at the first Bible study.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know, he kind of made everything like comfortable, like yo,
you know, you can see the bros is here heard
a lot about you.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He was a no problem guy, like yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like you know, he was cool and I won't necessarily
say childlike, but he was really quiet, like his quietness
was felt.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
But he was really cool. Man.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I have nothing bad to say about Daniel. I am
kind of upset he ain't say nothing like brouh. You
can't just be leaving your phone, your clothes, your wallet
and not saying thathing.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But I had to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
This is the understanding that I learned. I was like,
you know what, he did go through way more than
I did in this.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So he didn't have a conversation with you guys at all.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
He just did he did, and I was mad about
that because now my intenas is up.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It's like, why you leave? And that's all I want
to know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Now, how long were you in Chicaina before he had left?
Like about a year.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Maybe a little less. I would say about a year.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
With that, the mentorship of it all, what is required
of you because some people have talked about checking them
with your mentor to do anything. What was that like
for you to have to report that?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It was hard for me to do that. I don't
tell nobody nothing unless my close one. I'm not hiding anything,
but there's no reason to talk about it type guy,
you know what I mean. I started it, I tried,
I'll do it for like two days, and then I'll
be going for like six and hit him up like yeah, man,
this is what happened. Or and then when I did
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tell him, it wouldn't even be like crazy, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So I think even hearing from like people who had
different types of mentors, because I talk about like matching
you up with someone that you'll work well with, they knew,
Like for me, it's more known that Hannah's a little
more strict.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I wouldn't have done well with strict.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I would have been more like, no, she's talking to
me crazy, this isn't gonna work. So I was partnered
up with Shirley, and Shirley and I had more of
like a like let's go get boba, like let's go
chit chat, let's go yep yap.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
But I loved the yap. I'm a yapper.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I didn't realize that it was reporting. It was I
was saying things that were going to be held against
me or used against me or tried.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
To which I heard in there and one of them.
I almost socked that man on the pool pit. I
really did, because I knew how private that was.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
He went on the pullpen was talking about you, saying
something about it was like your guys's.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Not it was mine.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, it was something that I had told Shirley in
confidence or even not even necessarily inconfidence. So before going
into Chicaina, I had built like a following on TikTok,
and a lot of times on TikTok I would talk
about I had gone through like a sexual assault, and
so I was really a big advocate for victims of
sexual assault, and for me, it was child to sexual assault.
So I would talk about that a lot on my platform.
(17:04):
And like I had told, surely confide in her, let
her know the whole story. And I think like a
week or two later on the pulpit, Robert was talking
about how like it's so crazy when you just meet
somebody and they start talking about their sexual assault and
basically just like shit talking people who would be brave
enough to share their story and come out and like
tell their truth and like things that have happened to them.
(17:26):
And so you know, in hindsight it's realizing because he
is it could be because I know there's like a lawsuit,
so there's certain things we have tiptoe around, but there
is a current you lost me, bro, and so you know,
we do know a lot of times people who commit
these crimes, they try to cover it up or make
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the victims sound crazier, make it sound odd for someone
to speak about it, so they'll be less likely to
come out and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Especially in a place where you're supposed to let that go.
It's supposed to help them heal from that.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
But I knew it off back because we talked about
it that night.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, I was yelling at the top of my lungs.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And it also makes sense to know why they heavily
suggested that, like I don't need to be on TikTok
and I should delete my accounts. Yeah, that's why that
first account that I built I had I had deleted.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Kalia was cracking on takes, Yeah, cracking.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know, I need to I really want to start
over and get back into like my social media bag
for myself because I do it for other people, but
just for me personally.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's not easy to build a social platform. And I
think for me being in the industry and understanding like
what goes into content creation, it's a lot of work.
And I know in the documentary you talked about why
seven M was so appealing because you got to think creatively, music, editing,
filming crew, wardrobe. It's a lot. And so to build
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something and have a following for it to just be
taken away or manipulated into deleting it, that breaks my heart.
When you said that, I was like, that's awful.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So in my mind at the time, it's something I
felt like I was giving up to pursue a spiritual journey.
I'm being told like, this is the way that you
could reach salvation. If I knew X Y and Z,
I would have never deleted the account. Like that is
crazy because she is a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And I was like, you just don't see it because
maybe her skin is a little you know, not sure
of interest, but I see it, like she talks better
than all the women dancers there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
She didn't need to dance and she was already a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
In her world, you know, and what we would call
it micro influencing, like yeah, micro, yeah, that's still that's
still a thing. I learned that from from Korea. So
it was weird you just want dancers, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, it's probably because you didn't know what to do
with you for them. It was like, this is what
we need, so we're going to put you here behind
the camera. And kind of talking about that too, like
the time and the effort that we put into ch
kinda because we're talking about like everything that goes into
building a social media platform, and because when things started
to come out, people felt like, oh my gosh, like
they're making them work so hard and do so much.
And on one hand, it's kind of normal because people
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don't see like the type of nine to five work
that content creators put on.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, they go crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And I know the last time one of the earlier
episodes we had Aubrey on and Aubrey talked a little
bit about daily life in seven M.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, so what was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What was like your daily workflow being a member of
seven M Films.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well, Aubrey shout out to Aubrey. He was getting all
the jobs.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
My experience was different, but I still had to get
up to make myself busy, including the tons of dancing
we had to do when it was content days. But
we would just get up and create, especially Slavic, that's
my little big bro. Slavic actually kept me going because
I was over it, and Slavic be like, bro, let's just.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Go work out, come back, do some videos. We'll be done.
So shout out to Slavic. Bro. I still let that, dude,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So you know, we would just wake up and create
and then try to go get a little coffee from
that going to church or going to the meeting or
you know, or going to beat ash house, and you know,
we would work out, so we would spend time with
each other. Mostly we wouldn't spend time with a lot
of people outside me and Kalia kind of word.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
We were doing that more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Especially after we were like disinvited from Monday. That would
be the one day that we had gotten disinvited from.
It was like one day a week that we wouldn't go.
So on that day we would go out and about
in La or hang out with other people that you
knew in La that we hadn't seen her talk to.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, So for me, we didn't necessarily put pressure on
ourselves to try to be around. And it was that
was from an argument me and Khalia had that caused
us to not be invited, But that was like an
argument that needed to happen. Yeah, because I was like,
you can go, I'm staying here. I don't want to
go anywhere. Let me roll my little I don't care
(21:54):
about none of that. I was like when she's coming back,
like yeah, you know, because you know, I'm really protective
of my wife, so I'm location.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I'm like, man, you know, if something happened, I am jetting.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know. Even there's times where I said I would
go to this little coffee shop and because she would
work at the house by herself, but I'll be lurking
like I had to, especially at that time where the
allegations was coming out, and I was like, okay, you know,
if she going to that house, I'm gonna be close by.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So you were seeing these allegations coming out on social media,
the pulpit call out already happened, So your blood's already boiling.
You're already on alert at this point. What was that
moment for you that was done? Ooh, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
There was many moments I just didn't know when to
say anything because I knew how vibrant relationships were with
the pastor so some people that I was even closer to,
I couldn't say anything yet.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thanks for listening to part one of our conversation with
Kevin Concrete Davis, but don't go Anywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Part two was packed with even more.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
In this next episode, Kevin will open up about his
ongoing frustrations with Chicina Church and seven M Films, the
key moments and tough conversations that led him to walk away,
in the fallout from his decision, and how it shaped
his current outlook on life and spirituality. Trust me, you
don't want to miss the conclusion to our conversation with
Concrete next week.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
This is Forgive Me For I Have Followed. We'll be
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hosted by me Kalia Gray and me Jess Cosabetto Forgive
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See you next week,
If I have to walk in faith and not hear
a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have that
type of faith in like when it's a trust No man,
I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my forehead.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. I'm Jessicasavetto,
executive producer of the Netflix series Dancing for the Devil
The Seven M TikTok Cult. This documentary series explored the
story of Robert Shin, the La based Chakaina Church and
Seven M Films. Shin founded Chakaina Church over two decades
ago before establishing Seven M Films and is named in
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a civil lawsuit alleging abuse and cult like behavior.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And I'm Kalia Gray, former member of Chicina Church and
Seven M Films. In this episode, we are speaking with
former Chakaina member and seven M Films dancer Kevin Concrete
Davis my husband to find out what he's been doing
since leaving Chicina Church and Seven M Films.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Kevin will share how.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
His involvement in crumping led him to the church, recount
some of his most distressing experiences as a member, and
explain how he realized it wasn't the right place for him.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He'll also be discussing his growing connection with his now
wife Kalia my co host Whoop Woop. Finally, Kevin will
talk about his current endeavors and how he's advancing his
life and dance career.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Justa heads up, we had so much that we covered
in our Conversation with Kevin, we split it up into
two episodes, So now this is part one of our
Conversation with my husband Kevin. We're here with my husband,
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Kevin Concrete Davis.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Really appreciate you taking time out of your very busy schedule.
You travel all around the world, so it's nice to
at least get to travel somewhere together this time.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
We're excited to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Have you, so thank you for coming.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I haven't seen you since the doc came out. We've
spoken a few times. But how are things going?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know, I'm well. You know I have been checking
on my health. I know that's something that me and
wife You've been like really focusing on. As far as
dance and stuff has been lining up. You know where
I want to go at it? You know, I don't
want to necessarily stop Crump, but I want to do
something that's going to provide opportunities for others, of course,
and just getting that lined up.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
At the end of the dock we saw obviously you
went on tour with Beyonce. You were also starting Wildlife.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my personal brand. That explains my
involvement with Crump. You know, in case people see how
I dance, I have a world for them where they
could just learn from even from people that are under
me as well as far as a concrete fam Can.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You tell us a little bit about how you first
got into dance and what th you to Crump specifically?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh? Man, At first I was playing basketball, you know,
street ball and aau and then high school came that
was getting serious. But during that time, I have dancers
in my family, so I would always follow one of
my cousins. His name was Gregor. He was a clown
dancer and I will watch him secretly, like what the
heck is that? So the movies came out like You
(03:24):
Got Served, and when Riots came.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Out, I was already kind of crumping, you know. I
thought I was hot stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
At high school where the big old shirts with the
spray pain and the do rag.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Looking likes and the do rag I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Mean tall teas to the ankles.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So I think that time I grew up, you know,
art was at an all time high in creativity.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
That's when like boys and.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Girls clubs was happening and all those dope activities.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So dance just took over.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you see that there's like a younger Crump community
coming up or there young people that are still finding
the dance style.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Oh yeah, it's around the world now, Like I know
Japan got pla kids, and I know France has been
picking up with the youth.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Canada has a lot of when he says Crump is
around the world, Like that was one of the things
when like after getting to know Kevin getting more into
the Crump scene and like getting to know the Crump scene,
I was so blown away about how he'll be in
these remote places and be like, oh yeah, one of
my little homies is gonna come pick me up and
we're going to go session. And I'm like, you're in Switzerland,
Like you're in like no, like you know well to us,
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like almost like the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, you're in Germany.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're in Belgium and there's someone there that knows where
the sessions are.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And that was concrete.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
How do you know these people? Man? This is my world?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Which was really cool to see because we were still
filming when you started a tour, and so just to
see you're doing this big tour and you're posting on
this like global stage with Beyonce and then you're just
with your crew and the streets of Belgium or Germany
or wherever you were. So it was really cool to
see both of those worlds collde for sure. Well, speaking
(05:02):
of the documentary.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Let me get my drink. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
How has it been since the documentary dropped? What was
that like for you?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That experience when I pulled back to look at the
bigger picture, I learned a lot. I learned how many
people have been involved and how many people don't understand it.
So I don't want to necessarily talk some trash about it,
but they just didn't understand what was going on, and
it actually allowed me to learn how much I didn't understand.
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It was a lot of like I won't say hate,
but I found out a lot about how dancers felt,
you know, the kind of like people who just pull
back and I was like, dang, I wouldn't even think
it would be this person, or I thought we were
like really cool like.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
That, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was it was literally some dance drama. Yeah, it
was like what I thought. You know, I'm thinking we're grown.
But a lot of people took the high school route.
Unfortunately we got to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, it was a really big learning process. I will
say too, I don't know, I think even like how
you had mentioned how like when the situation had first
been brought about and then like the documentary coming out,
it was like an opportunity for people to essentially shit
on you. So like when you're saying, like they said
what they really felt in their heart, it's like just
because they saw some dramas, like oh, I could say
(06:20):
how I feel about this person. But then as the
documentary came out, you get to realize what the situation
was about, and then a lot of them had to
pull back, like oop, I just kind of said how
I felt on the inside, actually this situation is crazy.
You're a victim? Why am I bashing the victims? Which
was really wild to see like happen in real time.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know, when you're only getting information fed to you
from social media and you're getting one side of the story.
That was why the documentary was so important, because you know,
we were hearing things about even with Kylie's experience with
her dance group and her kids, and like the potential
dangers that could provide given what we know about Robert
(06:59):
and the church, and you know, there's speculation there, and
you know, we were exploring that route at one point
to be like what is this and then to later
learn how much she loves those kids. You know, I
hope that majority of the people really did see that.
You guys were going through some shit.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, we did have some people that were like, all right, yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Bro, I didn't even know. Man.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know, I'll apologize or just send some you know,
energy our way and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
After the break, we continue our conversation with Kevin. This
is forgive me for I have followed.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We'll be right back. Welcome back to.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Forgive me for I have followed. Now back to our
conversation with Kevin.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Let's take it back a little bit to the beginning
and how we first got involved with Chakaina.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So what led you to Chakina Church.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I'm gonna go to a moment where it involves
me and my interest in Crump.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So you know, what led me to the dance is
the fam aspect.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And then what led me to the fam aspect was
the fact that I did go to church since I
was thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So when you say the fam aspect of Crump, can
you explain that a little bit for people that don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I like the brotherhood and the sisterhood of the
hype ups. If you look at Crump and you look
at how the circle gives you energy, I didn't even
see that in other styles, So I was like, wait,
why they jumping like that? Like wait, why they all
wearing timberlands? Wait, what's going on in there?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Ripping? God? Oh that's dope. You know. That led me
to wanting to stick with Crump, and.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Then I ended up meeting the tight Eyes, the beat
Ashes and all these people that were actually on Rise
as well. You know, So with that understanding, you know,
my passion for Crump, beat Ash, you know, just gave
me a call, which is a normal thing. If I
ever moved back to Sacramento, he would be like, yo,
you know, we should do some work or you know,
(09:01):
we'll both find out that somebody wants to work with us.
So I would come back down to La probably end
up getting apartment here, stay for a year, and then
I'll take my head right back to Sacramento. So one
of those times I moved back to Sack, I met Khalia.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
You know, we hit it off, and.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Beat Ash contact me like, Yo, we got some people
that want to film, and you know, I've been filming
with Isaiah, which I already knew because I've done work
with Isaiah before, even before Chkaana and I.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Took a trip.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And despite the other stuff that happened at the other church,
I still wanted to be involved with a place I
can go to for spiritual guidance, which is common for
a lot of us, you know what I mean, especially men.
You know, we want to be the mentors. I was
brought up in that in that time. Like my mom
she gave me a mentor when I was younger with
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the boys and girls clubs. So I'm kind of like
used to it to where I had to be a mentor,
you know in boys and girls clubs.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So and there really is strength in community.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, definitely strengthened community. So we were invited to the
Bible studies. I asked.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I was like, a Khalia come, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
To Daniel, he was like, yeah, for sure, she could come,
and I think he explained that it was women's and
men's so she kept saying all men's Bible studies.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But I'm like, well, it's a Bible study, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So I'm gonna go ahead and bring my wife, you know,
So we would have these Bible studies. Then I'm seeing
all the people that I knew, like, okay, Rain, no,
you got Slavic. They even told me Chez was there.
And around that time, I wasn't talking to Chiz. We
didn't have Beef, We just didn't associate in that way
like we used to. But when I saw him there,
(10:38):
I'm like, dang, this is a good time because me,
Chez and Beefs just did a video and you know,
maybe something stirring up again where we could come back strong.
And like I know, tight Iy's brother passed and it
was a big hit for Crump and I'm thinking, like, man,
we gotta put the energy behind this movement in our
big homie, you know, tight eyes.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I'm like, all right, er died, bro, whatever beef we had.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We throwing that out because now we got a second
chance to like go crazy and we got people of
God to help us.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Man, this is one hundred percent fire.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And ended up coming back, and you know, Kalia saw
me all hyped.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I was like, man, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm gonna take my talents to Los Angeles again again.
But it was something I had to risk with Kalia
because I just met her. And then I'm like, even
though I don't want to move back, I feel like
I have to for some reason.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And I know you got the.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Baby and I'm considering her, you know what I mean?
And she said, you know what, I'm a slide with you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Was the distance between you and Chez and you and
Beatash at the time because of the previous church. Were
you a part of the previous church or not at all?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I was, but I don't want to say I joined
that church.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I kind of wasn't paying attention because I was young
and I'm in Long Beach and I'm crumping and.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I've been on TV bro, like I know, God, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I was still going back and going back or if
my son, you know what I mean. I knew my flow,
but when I came to La, I'm like, bro, I
would notice stuff, but I wasn't paying attention to it.
So kinda was the first time I joined the church
and like wanted to become something further in my spiritual walk.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
What was that journey like for you in Chakaina, like
your faith journey, how it evolve while you were there?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I don't know, man, I feel like I was getting
taught to be an opportunist or a scared Christian and
I already had a problem with that in the first place,
which was something in that first church that I learned
after we left, like oh that's what he was teaching.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It made me closer to God though, for real, for real,
Like if I have to walk in faith and not
hear a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have
that type of faith in like when it's say trust no, man,
I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Forehead, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And then the word I did learn there's people who
do his works that Jesus don't even know. So you
could be doing his works, but you could put that
ear right back on his head. I can't even trust you,
you know, and say it in a word. So it
made me literally get back in a prayer on my
own time, you know, and it knocked it off a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Of course. I feel like God.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Knew that you're gonna be mad Son, but you got it.
Until this day, I'm still like, I'm cool. I'll hear
a sermon, but I'm not joining the church, and I'm
peaceful with that. But it's still a journey, you know.
I don't think that's ever going to be an endpoint.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We'll be back with part one of our conversation with Kevin.
This is forgive me for I have followed. Welcome back
to forgive me for I have followed now the conclusion
of part one of our conversation with Kevin.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you get brought into Chakaina from beat Ash James
and get invited to the Bible studies. Pulliah shared with
us that you then go to the dinner and you know,
go deeper into that community. I guess, for lack of
better words, yeah, when did you meet Daniel and all
(14:15):
of this? Who ended up being your mentor. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I met Daniel at the first Bible study.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know, he kind of made everything like comfortable, like yo,
you know, you can see the bros is here heard
a lot about you.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He was a no problem guy, like yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like you know, he was cool and I won't necessarily
say childlike, but he was really quiet, like his quietness
was felt.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
But he was really cool. Man.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I have nothing bad to say about Daniel. I am
kind of upset he ain't say nothing like brouh. You
can't just be leaving your phone, your clothes, your wallet
and not saying thathing.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But I had to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
This is the understanding that I learned. I was like,
you know what, he did go through way more than
I did in this.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So he didn't have a conversation with you guys at all.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
He just did he did, and I was mad about
that because now my intenas is up.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It's like, why you leave? And that's all I want
to know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Now, how long were you in Chicaina before he had left?
Like about a year.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Maybe a little less. I would say about a year.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
With that, the mentorship of it all, what is required
of you because some people have talked about checking them
with your mentor to do anything. What was that like
for you to have to report that?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It was hard for me to do that. I don't
tell nobody nothing unless my close one. I'm not hiding anything,
but there's no reason to talk about it type guy,
you know what I mean. I started it, I tried,
I'll do it for like two days, and then I'll
be going for like six and hit him up like yeah, man,
this is what happened. Or and then when I did
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tell him, it wouldn't even be like crazy, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So I think even hearing from like people who had
different types of mentors, because I talk about like matching
you up with someone that you'll work well with, they knew,
Like for me, it's more known that Hannah's a little
more strict.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I wouldn't have done well with strict.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I would have been more like, no, she's talking to
me crazy, this isn't gonna work. So I was partnered
up with Shirley, and Shirley and I had more of
like a like let's go get boba, like let's go
chit chat, let's go yep yap.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
But I loved the yap. I'm a yapper.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I didn't realize that it was reporting. It was I
was saying things that were going to be held against
me or used against me or tried.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
To which I heard in there and one of them.
I almost socked that man on the pool pit. I
really did, because I knew how private that was.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
He went on the pullpen was talking about you, saying
something about it was like your guys's.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Not it was mine.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, it was something that I had told Shirley in
confidence or even not even necessarily inconfidence. So before going
into Chicaina, I had built like a following on TikTok,
and a lot of times on TikTok I would talk
about I had gone through like a sexual assault, and
so I was really a big advocate for victims of
sexual assault, and for me, it was child to sexual assault.
So I would talk about that a lot on my platform.
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And like I had told, surely confide in her, let
her know the whole story. And I think like a
week or two later on the pulpit, Robert was talking
about how like it's so crazy when you just meet
somebody and they start talking about their sexual assault and
basically just like shit talking people who would be brave
enough to share their story and come out and like
tell their truth and like things that have happened to them.
(17:26):
And so you know, in hindsight it's realizing because he
is it could be because I know there's like a lawsuit,
so there's certain things we have tiptoe around, but there
is a current you lost me, bro, and so you know,
we do know a lot of times people who commit
these crimes, they try to cover it up or make
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the victims sound crazier, make it sound odd for someone
to speak about it, so they'll be less likely to
come out and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Especially in a place where you're supposed to let that go.
It's supposed to help them heal from that.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
But I knew it off back because we talked about
it that night.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, I was yelling at the top of my lungs.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And it also makes sense to know why they heavily
suggested that, like I don't need to be on TikTok
and I should delete my accounts. Yeah, that's why that
first account that I built I had I had deleted.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Kalia was cracking on takes, Yeah, cracking.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know, I need to I really want to start
over and get back into like my social media bag
for myself because I do it for other people, but
just for me personally.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's not easy to build a social platform. And I
think for me being in the industry and understanding like
what goes into content creation, it's a lot of work.
And I know in the documentary you talked about why
seven M was so appealing because you got to think creatively, music, editing,
filming crew, wardrobe. It's a lot. And so to build
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something and have a following for it to just be
taken away or manipulated into deleting it, that breaks my heart.
When you said that, I was like, that's awful.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So in my mind at the time, it's something I
felt like I was giving up to pursue a spiritual journey.
I'm being told like, this is the way that you
could reach salvation. If I knew X Y and Z,
I would have never deleted the account. Like that is
crazy because she is a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And I was like, you just don't see it because
maybe her skin is a little you know, not sure
of interest, but I see it, like she talks better
than all the women dancers there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
She didn't need to dance and she was already a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
In her world, you know, and what we would call
it micro influencing, like yeah, micro, yeah, that's still that's
still a thing. I learned that from from Korea. So
it was weird you just want dancers, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, it's probably because you didn't know what to do
with you for them. It was like, this is what
we need, so we're going to put you here behind
the camera. And kind of talking about that too, like
the time and the effort that we put into ch
kinda because we're talking about like everything that goes into
building a social media platform, and because when things started
to come out, people felt like, oh my gosh, like
they're making them work so hard and do so much.
And on one hand, it's kind of normal because people
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don't see like the type of nine to five work
that content creators put on.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, they go crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And I know the last time one of the earlier
episodes we had Aubrey on and Aubrey talked a little
bit about daily life in seven M.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, so what was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What was like your daily workflow being a member of
seven M Films.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well, Aubrey shout out to Aubrey. He was getting all
the jobs.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
My experience was different, but I still had to get
up to make myself busy, including the tons of dancing
we had to do when it was content days. But
we would just get up and create, especially Slavic, that's
my little big bro. Slavic actually kept me going because
I was over it, and Slavic be like, bro, let's just.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Go work out, come back, do some videos. We'll be done.
So shout out to Slavic. Bro. I still let that, dude,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So you know, we would just wake up and create
and then try to go get a little coffee from
that going to church or going to the meeting or
you know, or going to beat ash house, and you know,
we would work out, so we would spend time with
each other. Mostly we wouldn't spend time with a lot
of people outside me and Kalia kind of word.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
We were doing that more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Especially after we were like disinvited from Monday. That would
be the one day that we had gotten disinvited from.
It was like one day a week that we wouldn't go.
So on that day we would go out and about
in La or hang out with other people that you
knew in La that we hadn't seen her talk to.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, So for me, we didn't necessarily put pressure on
ourselves to try to be around. And it was that
was from an argument me and Khalia had that caused
us to not be invited, But that was like an
argument that needed to happen. Yeah, because I was like,
you can go, I'm staying here. I don't want to
go anywhere. Let me roll my little I don't care
(21:54):
about none of that. I was like when she's coming back,
like yeah, you know, because you know, I'm really protective
of my wife, so I'm location.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I'm like, man, you know, if something happened, I am jetting.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know. Even there's times where I said I would
go to this little coffee shop and because she would
work at the house by herself, but I'll be lurking
like I had to, especially at that time where the
allegations was coming out, and I was like, okay, you know,
if she going to that house, I'm gonna be close by.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So you were seeing these allegations coming out on social media,
the pulpit call out already happened, So your blood's already boiling.
You're already on alert at this point. What was that
moment for you that was done? Ooh, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
There was many moments I just didn't know when to
say anything because I knew how vibrant relationships were with
the pastor so some people that I was even closer to,
I couldn't say anything yet.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thanks for listening to part one of our conversation with
Kevin Concrete Davis, but don't go Anywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Part two was packed with even more.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
In this next episode, Kevin will open up about his
ongoing frustrations with Chicina Church and seven M Films, the
key moments and tough conversations that led him to walk away,
in the fallout from his decision, and how it shaped
his current outlook on life and spirituality. Trust me, you
don't want to miss the conclusion to our conversation with
Concrete next week.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
This is Forgive Me For I Have Followed. We'll be
back soon.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from
WV Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's My kol Tora podcast network,
hosted by me Kalia Gray and me Jess Cosabetto Forgive
Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Burlson
and Sophie Spencer zabos. Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, myself,
Walmar Balderama, Leo Klam and Aaron Burlison at WV Sound.
(23:58):
This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original
music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. For more podcasts
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