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July 25, 2023 56 mins

Donnie Klang will Take You There!

You know him from Making the Band 4, where he was awarded his own solo contract by Diddy… but what has he been up to since? Does he still keep in touch with Diddy today?

Lance and Donnie reminisce about boyband training and what life was like in the 2000s.

Plus, Playa Deception is back together after 15 years and Donnie is giving us all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my Heart
Radio podcast. Hello, my Little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with Me and my
lovely co host Michael Urchin. Well, hello there everyone. Okay,
we do need to talk about a few things before
we bring on our guests. Um, all right, one, I mean,

(00:25):
Barbie is the talk of the world right now, and
I want to remind everyone that there is an instinct Barbie. Yeah,
did you forget about this? Did you have them? I
never knew about it to forget about it? Yeah, I
kind of forgot about it too until I saw someone
post about it. I'm like, oh, yeah, we had because
it was Barbie instinct number one fan, Barbie. Did y'all
know that Barbie is instincts number one fan? Yeah? Oh damn,

(00:49):
it's a thing. It's a thing. They had three. They
had Barbie which came with the Bye Bye Bye CD
obviously CD Teresa Teresa, So was this I Promise you
this one? And she had this I Promise you and
then Christie had its Gunna Bay Mac. So there were
three in synct dolls and I'm sure now that it's

(01:12):
the new thing, they're gonna come back out and they're
gonna release new CDs oft us. Oh yeah, CDs only,
CDs only, Yeah, with the bucket hats and all that.
So yes, excited. So if you still have your insynct Barbie's,
they're probably worth at least ten dollars at least at
least something that I wouldn't want to talk about on
the show. What uh you know, there's weird things happening

(01:36):
at concerts these days. The one, people are starting to
throw cell phones and water bottles at artists. It's just like, like,
why are people throwing hard things at artists on the
On the It's like, this cannot become a trend. This
is I mean, if it becomes a trend, guess what
they're gonna be taking your phones away at the door.
That's gonna be fine. And also so they're gonna start
resting you. I mean yeah, I mean it is. You

(01:58):
can do it someone on the street. What's her? Who's
the one? Who? I mean? Cut her face? U baby up? Yeah,
I mean it's that's nuts. So let's not make this
a trend. But another thing that happened that was kind
of a little off was Miranda Lambert I'm sure you've heard.
Um kind of stopped her concert and scolded some fans
were taking a selfie. You know, an influencer. Obviously you

(02:21):
know it was an influencer. It was a group of
middle aged women just having a girl's night. They've got
a vi ib fable at the Vegas show. Oh so
it's Vegas. It was a group tables. They were taking
a group out. So did they go to the front
of the stage and they were in their booth just
taking a selfie of themselves and like had an opening
so we could see her own stage exactly. She wasn't

(02:44):
they were like in the distance. Um, okay, that's even worse. Yeah,
And so Miranda then because stops the show, says, I mean, while,
why are you taking saalfie during mashall? This is my
president of Miranda Lambert because you didn't know, and just
like it was and then like when they finalced that
haven't we listened to them cancy music? And then before

(03:06):
she started, she like looks at the fantasy go and
motions with her hands and then says like, sit down,
I was inna sit down. I'm sorry if I would
have thrown my phone at her head, I would have
thrown the bottle. Um. Yeah, that's a little I mean,
maybe she was having a bad but I saw videos
come up she did it two other videos. I saw

(03:26):
two other conscients. One man was just turned around talking
to a friend and she stopped the whole thing. And
it's like, I think that's mighty rude. You're turning your
back to me, sir. Oh my god. It's like, get
over yourself, woman. They paid what how much money to
go see you? See you uhould be grateful that they're
paying money to see your butt. And number two, they
paid it. They could take as many selfies as they want. Like, who,

(03:48):
you don't own them? They paid you, You don't, you
don't That's I can say to you, Miranda Lambert, this
is uh. I'm so ruffled. I can't even articulated ruffled
fellows with a turkey, but can you. It's like, can
you imagine Taylor Swift being like, oh, you're taking the
Sophia concert, let's shut down the whole show. Well, understand
if they're really interrupting a show, but that's not interrupting

(04:09):
a show, like if you had like lasers, like trying
to blind understand if you're heckling, you're screaming. Of course
you're taking a photo and you're in you're a Vegas
act where you're doing this every night. You know, for
it'd be happy that you have I think in Vegas
and people want to take photos of you, Miranda Lambert. Yeah,
well if you ever see me performing, you can take
as many self as you want. Yeah, just gonna put

(04:31):
that out. Just don't throw phones, Just don't throw not
on my face. But you could throw cookies. No, not
even cookies, they're so cookies. What would I like throwing
at me on stage? I mean, I do like a
plush you just because you know my kids will take
all of them. Yeah. So this this secret stage that
I perform on, I guess I know that so many performances.
I know when I perform. Please well, next time Lance

(04:54):
performs at your look, remember don't from Okay, let's get
to Johnny and Matt right now. So let's take a
little break when we come back right out of the
boys I and T. Now this is gonna be something
new for most of y'all. I think, uh, this guy
was in a couple of boy bands play. I'm sure

(05:14):
we all remember from making the band for I remember,
I remember watch I never got to watch the making
the bands. Yeah, you were busy being in the band. Well,
I think Ohtown ruined it for me. I'm like, I'm
not going to support another boy band, dare you? But
I do remember Danny Kane a lot like that that
stood out. Well, they were like the big success like

(05:35):
making the band. Yeah did He canceled them on one
of the seasons because they were in an argument and
he was like, oh, his ego is so bad, Like,
don't talk back to me. We'll guess what the group's
over hin and all at this end of the group
right there, because they talked back to me. Well, Diddy
doesn't have the most popular opinions. I have to say.

(05:57):
Maybe I'll tell that story later on the show. But
until then, let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Let's just get right into it. Guys. Here we go,
all right. Donald Joseph, playing as an American singer from Brooklyn,

(06:19):
New York, started his career as a baby modeling and
then a young age getting minor roles and shows like
Nanny and My PD Blue. But ultimately, you know Donnie
from making the band for where he was awarded his
own solo contract by Diddy. Welcome to the show, my man,
Thank you guys, Thank you guys for having me to
It's a pleasure to meet you, Lance and introduce your

(06:40):
friend here. Yeah, so this is Matt. This is Matthew Report.
He is my business partner here at our recording studio
in New York, the Loft Sound Studio. Yeah so Loft Sound.
Tell us about Loft Sound Recording Studio, y'all finding new
artists and all that. Yes, So we we opened in
twenty eleven. This is like at the end of when
I was doing my artist stuff and the transition from

(07:06):
being in the spotlight to not being in the spotlight.
This was like home. This was like we opened up
this spot to try to like kind of still do
what we love, but then also share our knowledge and
our network and everybody that I met in the business
through the years, share that experience and share that knowledge,
and then also continue artist development because we came from that.

(07:28):
I know, you came from that. That was like something
that was missing for a while in the business was development.
So we kind of filled that hole and it turned
into a business for us. I mean, it's so true.
I always say that. You know, when we were kind
of going up in the business, it was all about
you know, really that a ring of anything. Now you

(07:50):
have to have a full album to get signed to
a label. These days, like no one puts any work
behind the artist and tries to develop them anymore. There's like, listen,
you got to bring me a full album, will release
it and basically be pr this time. What are some
of the lessons you learned from being in the business
that you want to kind of pass forward to the
new generation of artists. Yeah, I mean, like the work

(08:12):
ethic and then also understanding that getting signed to a
label isn't the holy grail. It's like and I think
that's why we've even stood the test of time. I
know when we first opened our studio, studios were kind
of failing. People are able to do this more and
more at home, but having people that actually care and
have genuinely experienced stuff, and we're here to not only

(08:34):
share like what we do here as producers and songwriters
helping people make their music, we're also here to like
warn them about certain things in the business, especially now
with Instagram and these sharks that come in their dms
and what kind of playlists should they get on? And
how do you get on? And what's this fake? And
what are bots? It's like, it's insane, But we've we've
had to grow and evolve with social media and just

(08:57):
stay kind of ahead of the trends, ahead of the time.
It's kept us as young as possible. It's true, you
do have to evolve. Matt How did you get involved
in music? When did you start? So? I met Donnie
actually in high school. We went to a private Catholic school.
We were about thirteen years old. This was in nineteen
ninety nine, and we just had a love for singing.

(09:19):
I know in sync started emerging around that time Bactory boys,
so we were like, we can do this. So we
actually put together a boy band and taught ourselves how
to do everything, record right, produce. We used to go
to malls and just sing acapella to gain fans. Then
we would go to concerts and we would steal other

(09:40):
people's fans in the audience. One of the concerts was
this girl group called Play and they were managed by
Deonce Knowle's dad, Matthew. Yeah, he called us backstage and
he started managing us from that day forward. He brought
us to Sony. We got a deal with David Massey.

(10:00):
We were like sixteen, seventeen years old and the man.
Then the stories start happening. What's so crazy is like
when we do interviews or whatever, we usually we always
reference in Sync. We're like, because that's what it was.
We're like, this is back in the in Sync days.
So of course we had our own boy band, and
it's like that's what we say in interviews, which is

(10:22):
crazier now. We also we wanted to bring this up quick. Yeah,
we both have stories of when we met you. Oh god,
what happened. I actually met both of you about two
summers ago in Petown. Yeah. I was there with my
wife and outside of one of the restaurants, and I
didn't really want to bother you, but I was like,

(10:42):
what's up, man, I'm a big fan. I took a
picture with you. But yeah, that was the last time
we were in Pettown. That was a that was we
call that the super Spreader because that was during like
COVID Yeah yeah, yeah. And after that trip because it
was fourth of July, it just blew up on the
like I think that was our trip. It was, Yeah,

(11:03):
I go there every summer. I would take my I've
been taking my kids there since they were born and
loved amazing, such a great town. So I NT is
the boy band we're talking about, right, So how many
guys were in this group? So? Yeah, we we had
two different groups at this time, and there were two
different high schools, right we Uh So I went to
Catholic school for two years and then I switched back

(11:25):
to public school. So there was like we were two
different groups at two different points, but it was basically
the same group of guys. We were playing Deception first.
That was our name player. Because we were said that
it's super embarrassing. We said, looked like deception because we're
nice guys. But if it wasn't embarrassing, it wasn't in
the boy band cab category then it was in nineteen

(11:47):
ninety nine. So but yeah, we we lived it though.
It was like that's something I tell everybody too. It's
like even the making the band days, the development part
of it, and like that first season of the show,
and then like what I did with Matt and our
group members. We still have our group chat to this day.
It's like, uh, to me, was the best part of

(12:08):
the experience of anything I did. It's better than getting signed,
It's better than like doing music videos. It's like those
times in the group, like and I know you know this,
It's like you can't replicate that, just that feeling of
just being able to blend and the harmonies, and it's
just like you can't you can't even explain that. It's magic.

(12:29):
It's magic and the bonds that you have for the
rest of your life is just incredible. It's a family,
you know that you just you know, they don't have
to be blood, but they are family for sure. Right. Um,
So let's talk about making the band, because I was
definitely at the age where I didn't I didn't get
to see any of the making the bands. One when
it started, we were kind of on tour and so
I couldn't watch any TV. And then when Diddy took over,

(12:52):
like I'm just never really you know, a new Danity
Kane was formed there. So tell us the experience on
how you got on this show. What was the audition process?
Like this is February two thousand and seven. They did.
It's very similar to like American Idol. They go to
a bunch of big cities and you wait in line. Actually,

(13:13):
at this point, my space was huge and I want
this MySpace contest. That gave me an opportunity to cut
the line. The first day I cut the line. I
went in. I saw Mike Bivens from New Addition. He
was the first judge. It's super super similar to American Idol.
You go in, you sing something, they either say yes,
you're coming back or no, and then that's it. So

(13:35):
I went in, I sang like two lines from Mike Bivens,
and he's like, dude, dude, you're good, come back tomorrow.
So I didn't really get to experience like the scariness
and the cutthroat nous that first day. But when I
came back the second day, the fifty thousand people was
trimmed down to like two hundred of New York's top talent.
And I'm this like skinny white kid going up against

(13:57):
these incredible singers, Like these guys could way out seeing me.
It wasn't even like I'm like what am I doing here?
There was like a moment where in my head I'm
like I either need to go home or But back
then I was just young. I was so hungry, and
I just flipped the switch where I just became a
sponge to everybody around me, and instead of it being
like like a competition, I was more of like just

(14:20):
trying to learn anything I could from anybody that I
was getting a chance to meet and go up against.
And that was it. I made it through that day
and then then it got even more real than you
meet Diddy and they flew in the best of the
best from around the country. But the development part of
that process, we always say it me and the guys
for making the band. We feel like that was the

(14:40):
last of it. When they they were still developing artists
and putting you through those boot camps and the rigorous
like dance classes, vocal coaching, making sure you're working out
and staying on top. We had this this vocal coach
that made sure we were eating the right things and
the throat coat teas and like, I feel like that

(15:00):
doesn't really exist as much anymore in the business. I
don't think it does. And that was something you know,
I started when I was sixteen, and we immediately started
doing all that. I mean, it was a boot camp,
you know, it was about what you aide. You had
to you know, exercise, you had to rehearse every single
day in a crazy warehouse, one hundred and ten degrees
to learn how to sing and dance at the same time.

(15:21):
But yeah, I mean it's it's it's crazy that we
don't have those I don't know that bootcap situation with
these new artists to day, because I think they would
learn a lot more and then then it would take
care of their voice a lot. Because I know all
these singers now I look at them, the ones that
are especially you know really, I'm like, I hope they're
really taking care of themselves, because that's going to go
out when they're like thirty five years old. You see

(15:44):
it too with a bunch of these artists that come
off these shows. It's like you're going from being a
nobody to being somebody overnight and then capitalizing on that
fifteen minutes of fame. The labels are just sending you
right out towards Like Kelly Clarkson. I feel like I
remember the stories blew out her voice something right after
that first season. Oh yeah, you don't have the proper training.

(16:05):
I think it happened with Adele. It's a perfect example,
Like Kelly's a perfect example. Someone with a voice like
that that can just will like a Selene Dion a
Whitney Houston. Like Selene from she was thirteen years old,
she was always training her vocal called me she I
mean even to this day she's you know, always so
great about that. Um but yeah, I mean it's it's

(16:26):
part of the game. You gotta keep up with Diddy.
Are you still in touch with Diddy these days? Like
what's your relationship with your very loosely it uh, it
just like decreased slowly over the years, and then something
would happen we'd be back in touch. A handful of
times pitched him artists over the years. Um So. Actually
with our studio, one of our biggest successes is this girl,

(16:47):
Madison Beer. She came to us. This is like a
perfect example of us getting a chance to do what
we do. She came to us when she was twelve
years old. She was going to school of rock and
her dad was like, they kind of do more rock stuff.
We're looking for a place that does more like contemporary.
We're like, yeah, well we do this is what we

(17:08):
do pop R and B stuff, And she came to us.
We've developed her for about eight months and this is
also on those early days of YouTube, and her videos
were just organically going viral. Yeah, year she got discovered
by Scooter and Justin and she got picked up by
the management team. But even her story it's it's not

(17:28):
a fairy tale. It's like she got signed, but she
got signed to Scooter the same year Scooter was signing everything. Yeah, yeah,
she got signed, I think in the same couple months
that Arianna Grande got signed. And then he was just
signing like Martin Garrick's side, Gangham side, whatever was hot
right at that moment, he was signing it, and she
kind of got shelf too, And that's that's what happened

(17:50):
with us. Yeah, Matthew knows we're sitting here thinking, fifteen
sixty year old kids, like we just got signed with
the biggest manager in the business. But they're the biggest
manager because of the artists that made them the biggest manager.
And that's where the focus goes, the energy goes. And
he sat here his home bases in Houston, and we
sat here in New York just kind of like getting

(18:10):
lost in the shuffle. And then we'd get excited when
he'd send us out for a month and then back
to school and our friends are like, what are you
guys doing? Yeah, it's always better to be the big
fish in the small pond. Going back to Madison, I
one of my favorite things that she did was that
Kadia group. Yeah, the k pop you know, cartoon Gamer

(18:32):
or whatever. I thought that was so dope. Kimpetris, like
all these girls came together and created this fake kind
of girl band, and I wish they would have continued
that because that was that was some really good music.
She's so talented. She was always very talented, and then
especially like once she got a chance to catch up

(18:53):
her image with her age. I think that was one
thing for her was she was thirteen, but she was nineteen,
and then the label wanted her to sing these kiddie songs,
but then it didn't match her image. And then she
wanted to sing these songs that she couldn't sing about
yet because she's seeing young. So she she needed that
time of like just like her image catching up to
her age. And she was always her musicality was always crazy.

(19:14):
She loves like old school, like those Amy Winehouse types
of chord progressions, and now she's getting a chance to
do that, and it's finally like all adding up for her.
Um says, there, you know, you did an episode of
The Nanny, And of course fran Dresher is hot topic
these days. Were you able to work with her? Did
you get to know her when you did that show?

(19:35):
I did? This is also another super embarrassing party. We
love embarrassing first things. Yeah, this is I must have
been like nine or ten years old. I had the
typical nineties bowl cut. Yeah, and my mom had me
doing like extra work back then. I was in the
Screen Actors Guild. We lived in Brooklyn, so we would

(19:56):
run back and forth to the city all the time.
So The Nanny was one of the shows and this
was my first speaking part that I ever had on
a show. And so the episode is Franz Drescher goes
on the Rosy O'donald Show and all of a sudden
she leaves the Rosy O'donald Show and she's super famous
because whatever happened on the show. So I am her

(20:17):
biggest fan waiting outside for her, and my line is,
oh my god, Nanny, can I have your autograph? And
then she says no, And I turned directly to the
camera with this embarrassing bowl cut and I don't know
how they edited this in, but my face is like
so close to the camera and I had to be like,

(20:38):
She's like, all right, all right, one more autograph, kid,
one more autograph. Oh my gosh, it's so funny. We
I like getting a group of people together, especially that
are in the entertainment industry, and we like to say, Okay,
bring your most embarrassing or your first thing you've ever done,
and we all have to watch it together. And at

(20:58):
first you think, oh, this is gonna be funny, you know,
but then it kind of just gets even too embarrassing
to watch, like, oh my god, we should not have
seen this. Oh it's so it's so bad. But I
mean you you were doing things before that, because you
also started modeling as a baby. Yeah I did. I did.
And we need to talk because I'm telling you we

(21:20):
were scrolling through your Instagram today and your daughter Tatum, yeah,
like our daughter's twin, Like I know their faces. It's
so I'm like, oh my gosh, that is Violet. But
it's so great because our our daughter doesn't have a
hair yet, so now we can see what she's gonna
look like she has today. I'm like, how how old

(21:43):
is she she'll be two in October. Yeah, so Tatum
just turned two in June. The same thing too. For
a long time, it took forever for her hair to
sprout out, and now it's sprouting in and it's curly.
She like Tatum in London. That's my two daughters. They're
three and two. They look like exact opposites people are.
People don't think that they're siblings. Yeah, it's like our

(22:05):
kids too. Yeah, we both look they don't even look
like the same ethnicity, to be honest, She's like she
looks like a Russian doll and Argentine, just like they're
complete opposite and opposite personalities. Being a dad a new dad, Um,
is it hard for you to balance the work family life,

(22:28):
because I mean what I see on Instagram you are
a very present and fun dad. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough.
It's like even leaving this morning, I'm like pulling out
of the driveway and they're like running down and I
like stopped the car and run back to give them hugs.
It's like, I know, once they start crying when you leave,
it's the war, Oh wars mad? Do you have any kids?

(22:51):
I do? I started a little earlier. I have a
twelve and a thirteen year old boy and girl. Oh wait,
so how's that? How's the teenage years? God, I'm aging
very quickly. It's hard. Middle school is tough. Man. I
remember when I was in middle school too. It wasn't easy.
But man, just kids are not nice and kids are assholes.

(23:15):
You can't escape. When we were in school, whatever happened
at school, you go home, you kind of escape it.
But now kids go home and they're getting messages on
Instagram or social media. You can't escape. Is there's no
escape anymore? So true? I know it excuse me to
to think about what kind of world they're gonna be
living in when they are in school, Like, what is
the next thing like social media that's going to just

(23:38):
give them complexes? Ever in ten years time, lord u yeah,
it'll be zero privacy at all. It's crazy. So now
you also audition for American Idol a couple of times,
and I know that process because I have so many
friends that went through that and the most talented people
I know, like the most gorgeous voices I know never

(23:59):
made it past the first It's like you had to
have that luck of Like yeah, you'll do, you'll do it,
you'll do and you didn't make it past those first rounds.
And I think that's what made you kind of have
a little bad taste your mouth for the music industry.
Is that what made you take a little a break
for a while. Yeah, that was so that was like
that was just coming off a bad string of stuff.
It was like our group broke up. And then it

(24:20):
was then I'm at the point now where like I
took the time off from college and I'm seeing all
my college friends like either living it up at Upstate
or Miami wherever they went, or they're graduating and they're
like starting their lives now. Yeah, I was just trying
to figure out what to do then. So then it
was like American Idol. I'm like, let me just try
out for the show, like hopefully I get through, maybe

(24:41):
this will spark a little something. And then when I
got cut from that, that was a moment in my
life where I was like I was working at a warehouse.
I didn't even know what I was doing with my life.
It was like music was the only thing I know.
And then that's that set up me for like just
that extreme fire because then that next like eight months.
I was really just honing in in my room, trying

(25:03):
to like write songs and put stuff out. I was
building a little following on MySpace, and and then when
making the band came around, that was like if I
didn't have that fire set from that, I probably wouldn't
have even fully got through the show, because, like I said,
it was so intimidating these people that were there, and
it was crazy, what what songs did you have on

(25:25):
your MySpace? I missed my space? Oh man, yeah, Tom
was in my top eight. I think he was in
everybody's top my first friend. I think everyone's first. Yes.
I sold Tom because you know, like the Threads thing
blew up for a day and he was the first
person I saw him Threads. He's like, all right, guys,

(25:47):
are we doing this? It's still the same picture from
my MySpace. Yea. Even that though, I remember thinking back
like that was one of the things. So when Facebook
first came out, you needed a dot edu email to
sign up for it. And then I had this girlfriend
that we broke up, and then American Idol, and then

(26:07):
she was on Facebook and I couldn't see what she
was doing. So I was using friends facebooks to try
to stalk her and see what she was doing. That
just like lit that fire in me that I was like,
I'm gonna show, I'm gonna get famous and just rubbing
in this girl's face. Motivation so kind of always the
best motivation. Yeah, revenge on the end making the band.

(26:32):
You know, at the end of season four, Um, you
end up not making the band because did he wanted
to bring you solo? He thought that you had what
it takes to be you know, I'm sure he was
thinking like justin Timberlake. You know, so what did you
what did you envision your solo career would look like
after doing a show like making the band? Yeah? And
then and then this is where some of the politics

(26:55):
get tough, like when you sign as a new artist, UM,
creative control like goes to the heads of the labels
and especially Diddy. So for me, I was I was
probably more of like doing like neo type of stuff
that I think resonated better with people rather than when
they put me in the studio. I think they were

(27:16):
really trying to pin me as like another justin Timberlake.
And I don't think that reads right to people that
because I mean as much as we danced in our groups,
I was never like a dancer first. I was that
was always that was more forced than I could make
choreography look good, but it was never that wasn't my
strong point. So that was that was definitely And that's

(27:41):
like what I try to teach people now is like
it gets real when you get signed and that you
you kind of want to have as much leverage as
possible going into your deal, because then if you blow
up off of something that you did, that you believe
in and just works with you, the label is going
to have to continue pushing that you get signed too
quick and you just get signed off your talent or

(28:02):
your look or whatever. It's like they're gonna try to
muld you into what they think is going to work,
and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We're having a
common opening up for Janet Jackson, which for me was

(28:27):
just that was one of my top highlights of my life.
We got to do the velvel Rope Tour. Incredible. What
was it like for you to open up for pretty
It's pretty opposite. Actually, um really didn't end up opening
that tour, but somehow lives on in Wikipedia and all
that because you know what, you just just go with it.

(28:50):
I find that no one, no one cares. It was
so cool. We're in a fact free world, so if
you say it over and over again, people are just
gonna believe it. So there was a point where I
just got so to the point where I was like, yeah,
it was amazing. She's so yeah now too, like the
I hear things over and over about me that's just
not true, and I just now I'm just I go

(29:11):
with it. I'm like, okay, I'm not even gonna try
to I'm of the stuff. Like it's been so long
and I've just become such a regular human being that
I don't remember what actually happened and what didn't happen.
I mean, I better see, probably's like a dream. Yeah,
so what are we working for? The Backs Boys though?
Talking with the enemy? Oh gos, I know, I'll just

(29:36):
throw this out there. As much as I love both groups,
I was definitely more of an in Sync fan, but
for them, this was when Kevin wasn't in the group. Okay, yeah, yeah,
So this is like two thousand and eight, and then
he left a little bit because he wanted to do acting.
I think he was trying to do the acting for
them for a few years, but it was awesome. It

(29:57):
was like, so for me, it's like I got thrown
in to this world as a solo artist where I
was so used to singing in my groups. So that
tour was cool for me because it was like I
was hanging out with the boys, throwing a football around
before the shows, like going into sound check and just
like that camaraderie feeling. I got a chance to kind
of like have that again, and then especially with the

(30:19):
group like that, Like it's like I grew up, I
was inspired by you guys, so to have a chance
to do that was super cool. It's funny because you know,
back in the day, guys really didn't admit that they
liked in Sync. You know. It's like it was sometimes
just not cool to say that you liked a group
like that. But I've noticed now that we're older and like,

(30:40):
you know, the fans are talking just like the guys.
For some reason, guys really went to our group. So
I don't know, what, what is that? Why as a
guy did you like in Sync over back? You know what?
I think it's because because every guy's equally wanted to
be in a being want to be like one of
them exactly, like they're up really loving it because they

(31:02):
want to be in a good I mean I did.
I for sure was. Oh I wish I was. Who
would turn that down? Yeah, it's like here, here's the
world and here's five over the world. For us, we're
probably the wrong people to ask because what we love
and what we grew up on, but it's like for
us to me that that was the exact dream, like

(31:25):
the I guess back then it might have even been
VHS tapes, but maybe it was DVDs, but like the
documentaries on you guys, and then seeing the europe tour
and looking out those windows and the thousands of people,
just that sea of the crowd. And then even like
like we were saying, the artist development part of it,
like we getting a chance to peek in and see
a lot of what you guys went through. That to

(31:46):
me was the dream. That was like what I envisioned
was that was the dream, like going through that process
getting molded and shaped and getting your talents to the
best their abilities and then getting this hit song, Like
going into the studio and working on the bunch of
songs until you know you found the head and then
that hit song and then you have radio stations playing
at NonStop back then with the VMA's and everything. So

(32:10):
that to me is one of the most iconic moments
in pop culture history that I still reference and I
still use to motivate a lot of the artists that
we coach today. I use three different things. I use
Whitney's National Anthem, I think at the super Bowl, I
use Beyonce super Bowl halftime show, and then I use
in syncs VMA's two thousands. That performance that's just like

(32:35):
it was so ahead of its time. And then like
you're dancing and really singing live and they had your
mic on too loud for that split second and then
they lower it and it's like just that those moments,
to me, that's iconic because it shows like you guys
were really singing and really moving and running and dancing
and like it's insane. That's like that to me, that's

(32:57):
what I use to show people like this is the
level you need to aspire to get to. I mean,
it is great, and it's really about your team. I mean,
it's really linking up with those those people that can
make you who you're supposed to be. And that you know,
for us, Wade Robson is the one who created that
amazing performance. You know, if it was just put up
to us five guys, it wouldn't have looked like that. So,

(33:18):
you know, the right vocal coach, the right choreographer, the
right manager, the team is what really takes your talent
to the next level. Were you could y'all easily find
that group of people for your career, Like did you
have that person you could always like create and get with, Like, Okay,
this is what we're doing. Tough we were we were
doing a lot of it ourselves and five boys trying

(33:40):
to do it themselves. It's a nightmare, you know, five
different personalities. It's hard to always say. It's like wrangling cats.
It's a union in twenty three years. Yeah, it's insane.
I think that actually was like the downfall of us.
We never had that like real team. None of our
families came from music. Yeah, you know, we got involved

(34:04):
with Matthew Knowles. I don't know if that was the
greatest thing for us. So yeah, that's what I mean,
that's what we do now in our studio. We put
together teams for people. That's great, especially in a world
where everyone gets so taken advantage of right now, especially
an artist. It's it's like, how how have we not
learned our lesson guys? Like I even did a documentary

(34:24):
on how Lou prom and screwed us all, but like
people still will sign that contract and steen years old. Yeah, well,
when it's presented to you, you know, it's like, well
it's this or nothing. So most of the time like
you're just gonna take whatever, and everyone thinks, oh, first
contracts bad. I can renegotiate. You can't renegotiate. Yeah, that's
where that's where I was at. Actually, I was We

(34:45):
signed our deals just to audition for the show. So
that's like almost even worse off. And you win and
you basically sit with a lawyer that shows you what
you signed. There's no room for negotiation or anything. It's
just like, so here it is. This is what it is.
And for years I was stuck in that contract. I
didn't get out of that until like twenty thirteen, and

(35:08):
then twenty ten I had def jam flew me out.
They were trying to like get me out of my contract.
They flew me down to Atlanta, they they put me up.
I worked with producers. I made like eight or nine
songs and then I got back and it just took
too long to get out of the deal. So it's tough.
You gotta really be careful what you what you signed do. Um,

(35:30):
who was the most exciting person that you've met through
this business? Yeah? Oh, actually never read story of how
I met you yet, So the most exciting person that
was me? Okay, but this was justin Timberlake was having
a grand opening for the restaurant Southern Hospitality I think

(35:52):
it was called, was a barbecue place in the city.
And this was when I was just starting by making
the band stuff and the first couple of shows had aired,
so the pr team had me going to stuff like this,
so I ended up going. I hung out with you guys.
We were playing beer pong in like the back downstairs area,
and me and you were on the same team. Actually played, Yeah,

(36:14):
but JT was knocking our shots out when we didn't
bounce it, so he was playing a little bit ela.
Of course, of course we would have Yeah, well, if
we would have on flip cup, I really would have
kicked his ass, all right. So that's that's my game.
That's my game. Still going to them. Oh yeah, I

(36:34):
think right. No, maybe it's not open, No, never mind,
it close. But it was really good. It was good
Southern food. While it lasting. I had a lot of
his grandmother's recipes in there. It's really cute, it's really
got um. When you've been on stage, you know, the
big thing right now is uh assholes throwing things at
artists on stage. Um. And then of course Miranda Lambert
scolding someone taking a selfie. So have you ever had

(36:57):
a moment on stage where you've been hit And what
do you think about this new trend of artists trying
to be nailed by things? Yeah, that's that's ridiculous. I
saw it got nailed with like a thirty six get
bra or something just happened. Well, at least that wouldn't
hurt as much as a freaking beer bottle. I do remember,
because a lot of I mean, the level that we

(37:17):
got to on the show was never really that big.
We did a couple like five thousand seat places. Maybe
that was the biggest we really got to. But a
lot of our bread and butter was doing the after
club performances after and of course those will get roundy.
Everybody's drinking so that used to happen to us very frequently,
with like beer bottles or water bottles or anything like that.

(37:40):
It was it was insane. Yeah, yeah, I remember it
only happened to us in Europe when we started over
because we lived in Germany the first couple of years.
And yeah, that we'd get a lot of beer bottles
done at us because you do those festivals right where
those people aren't your fans and it's you know, and
some festivals go to like three in the morning, and
you'd go on at three and just everyone's wasted and

(38:00):
you're just dodging beer bottles as you're dancing on stage.
I missed the days when they just would throw plushies
on stage. It's just soft teddy bears whatever that. Yeah,
that's up, all right, we have a frosted tip we'd
like to get from you guys. So you're someone who
has heard no from this industry a couple of times before,

(38:23):
and you know, before you got your big break. What's
the advice you can give people who keep hearing no
over and over and over again and whatever their career
path is, what makes you keep going? Yeah, I mean
it's it's definitely like what you do with that. No,
like I said, there was I could have like turned
away after the whole American Idol situation and even after

(38:44):
our group. I can't even tell you, like the Matthew
Knowles is just one of a hundred things that happen
with our group and the entertainment business specifically. It's like
whenever you're put pouring your heart into something, it's very
easy to get let down that much harder and get
your heartbroken over it because here you are. And that's
why people probably sign those crazy deals because it's like

(39:05):
this is all you want, This is going to change
your parents' life, or this is like you've jumped about
this since you were a little kid, or it didn't
happen for my parents, so now I'm gonna make it
happen like whatever happened with our groups we had and
people take advantage of that. So it's just about being
very careful and just continuing to always make it about

(39:26):
why you first started doing it, and just when you're
writing your music, don't try to conform to like what
people are doing now. If Olivia Rodrigo put hot punk
into the music world now and everybody's trying to now
make stuff pop punk again, don't let that change what
you were doing. Still continue to be you and then
take every single note and just use it as fuel,

(39:48):
use it as motivation and get to your next note.
The more knows you get to, the closer you're getting
into that. Yes, it does make you stronger, but it
still hurts. It's the business. Um. We have some fan
questions for y'all. So this is from Tip Ryan. Go ahead, okay,

(40:10):
fan questions. We have to Fryan, what is your favorite
memory touring with the Day twenty six and dannyy Gaine?
Oh wowies yeah, so yeah, from what I can remember, Um,
so I do remember there was the so Danny Kane

(40:32):
was back then, similar to they had the presence of
like an in sync where five of them that like
Powerhouse and like us coming into the show. They were
famous already and we were like, I was a fan
of them. So when we did an hour tour together,
it was so much fun. This was like finally my

(40:54):
chance to tour bust the bunk beds, the stopping in
every state and then running into hotels, leaving at four
am for the radio shows. And we were all doing
that together. We got super close. Um and then the
LA Show ended our tour and I got pulled out
as a surprise and got a lap dance on stage
from all five members of Danny Kane, and it was

(41:18):
that's nice. We do we see Aubrey like every once
in a while, every once in a while, so I
stay in touch with her, Actually everybody, I probably talked
to her most frequently. Y. No, she's just great. Uh
she was. Some just came out with her right with
Donald Trump JUNR Like something like, well, she's a relationship.

(41:38):
She's been speaking about it again. Oh yeah, because they
dated for a day or so. No, no more than
I did remember years ago. Yeah, I remember her telling
us that. But I was like, I don't feel like
it's comprehending that she was really talking. Well, is finally
talking about it a bunch of podcasts again? Scandal. The

(42:01):
Aubrey story is when they first took me day twenty
six and put us with Dannity, came that we were
now filming this making the band was kind of turning
into the real world, and we were all moving into
a house together. We sat behind cameras and we were like,
let's fake a relationship. Let's make this like even crazier
and then we actually kind of did get close, and

(42:22):
then just things about what happened was, um, they flew
us all to Miami. We were living in Miami. We
were working with different producers and one of the producers
names was Donnie, and Aubrey messed around with this Donnie,
and then the word was getting around and then the
cameras spun this that Aubrey and Donnie last night, and

(42:46):
then it just turned into this big thing and yeah,
it's good. Any prince is good. Pressure. Yeah, there's another
fan question from Tracy Wheelee twenty four or do you
do people ever refer to this question? Do people ever
refer to you as doctor Love? Like? Um, yes, so,

(43:14):
I mean it happens, It happens. It happens very infrequently now.
It's so it's like I'm at a random place and
it'll happen, Like I'm sending that apple piece with my
wife and kids, and it's like the waitress comes up
and she's like, you doctor Love, so you don't introduce you.
I was like, I'm damn, I'm Donnie, but you can
call me doctor Love. I definitely used to slay it

(43:37):
into that role a little, uh, too seriously back in
the day. Yeah, this is from Irish the Pen. Do
you have any unreleased songs from Just a Rolling Stone
you think could have potentially been a hit? So, I mean, yeah,
that was that was a that was a huge problem.
So I know so Irish the Pen he was on
a show back in the day too. I follow him

(43:58):
on social media. He's a cool dude. What's up? But
we we had a whole album made that so I
vibed really well with this producer named seven. He was big.
He did a lot of Ashanti stuff in the two
thousands and then me and him, he just I give
him the credit of what you were saying, like what
Wade Robson kind of did for you guys live with

(44:21):
your tour and stuff. He's the guy that kind of
helped me find that just like person that I was
becoming that brand, the sound changing my tone, Like back
then here I was going through vocal coaches and like
singing trying to sing perfectly. He was the guy that
came in and he was like, no, we got to
rough that up. And he's he just like took my

(44:42):
whole studio experience to another level where it was like
so he came from like Prince's camp, and he would
have doves in the room and he would have a
fig machine going and we would have candles and burn
sage and like he just Laura, Yeah, we don't want
to do this for a podcast. Yeah, this is pretty great,
great idea back there. So still to this day, that's

(45:06):
like we do it when we get into our real
creative sessions. That's what we're doing here. And he's like
he kind of gave us that whole like tone and
mood just to create an experience in an environment that
you get into and you just like like disconnect from reality. Nice.
So who should we be looking forward to? Do you
do you know what new artists are about to come out?

(45:27):
Anyone you're working with right now that you need to
let us know about. Yeah, I mean we have a few.
So there's one I definitely want to mention, especially to
the followers of your podcast, that I feel like would
love this dude, Dougie. Yeah. So if if you follow
at it, Dougie, right, this kid is extremely talented and

(45:53):
he's he's just he has the whole entire package. So
when you guys, when you guys check him out and
everybody that's on here. Follow him, You'll see what I'm
talking about. He could dance, he could sing, he has
the look. We also have an artist that we've been
kind of taken under our wing that we worked with
for a long time. She goes by Sammy sv MMI.
You can find her like a little jake. Actually, yeah,

(46:17):
I love that. You know what happens here, It's like
we work with a lot of extremely talented people and
it's like, exactly what you said. You hear these people
with these golden voices, and it's like, how did they
get cut from Round one of American Idol where they
could probably outsing everybody that made it onto the show.
In the twelve years we've had this studio, it's like

(46:37):
there's been a couple of people that I've been like,
this person is definitely gonna make it, but they just
never got that big break or they gave up too soon.
I mean, especially these days. You know, when I grew up,
you know, in the eighties and nineties, there were no
competition shows, there were no making the bands. There wasn't
any kind of thing you could watch on TV and

(46:57):
be like, oh, I could do that. Well, then the
American idols and making the band started. So all these
kids that are born, you know, at two years old,
and they're watching these shows, they start dreaming of it
right then, so they got such they got more of
a head start than all of us did. They started
training since they were so young. So now the tropic
talent out there is insane. I mean, I mean, look

(47:19):
at the voice. All those incredible, incredible talented people and
you don't even know one of their names, Like the
best singers in the world, and not one of them
has really hit just right there. How much talent. Yeah,
it's so oversaturated. I mean, that's even everything in general.
It's like social media, YouTube, these TV shows. We warn
a lot of artists about that getting onto these shows.

(47:40):
That's still not the holy grail. It's like the shows
are almost more about the judges now and their stories
and the stuff that's happening between them. And then they
put music out after the season ends, and their albums
and single releases do very good, and then the people
on the shows get forgotten about. They're afraid to do anything.
That's one of the big pieces of advice we give
to was, like, you're signing these crazy contracts non disclosures.

(48:03):
They tell you don't post on social media. We're like,
just do it. You get this fifteen minutes of fame,
that people are looking for your account while you're one
or two episodes aired. Post some stuff and that we do.
We get people ready, we like pre film content and
tell them like, don't be afraid. Don't let the contracts

(48:23):
scare you into wasting your chance to capitalize on the
people coming to see your page. Yeah, I mean, like
I always say, you know, it's when that opportunity, you know,
success is what's the calculation of success, it's uh, opportunity
plus uh uh. It's one of those things, one of

(48:44):
those success. We're so good, we're so good at giving
great advice on the show preparation. Yeah, it's opportunity able success.
So yeah, you got to take advantage of that. Um.
All right, Matt and Donnie, I need to hear what
y'all are watching right now. We like to give our
listeners some good recommendations of what we're binging, what movies

(49:07):
we're seeing. So what are we what are we watching?
Good question? Any TV shows? It's so a ton of
Doc McStuffins Spiding and his amazing friends. Are you are
y'all into Bluie yet? Bluie? Yeah, a little tough to

(49:31):
uh get into any shows for me right now. With
the babies, it's just been like baby Land. What about you, Matt?
With teenagers? Do you get to watch The Bachelor a
little bit? Maybe like Outer Banks? I think that was
I love Outer Banks. I know we need to. I
saw the first season, loved it, and then I just
found out a couple of weeks ago there's now five

(49:52):
seasons and I've listed it all. Pretty cool, pretty cool. Well,
we had them on. We had them on my old
radio show, first premiere first came, and man, those those
fans are crazy guys. Back on they were great. Um,
all right, guys, well this has been awesome getting to
know you guys. Um, we definitely want to stay in

(50:13):
touch with you, So tell everyone how everyone can stay
in touch with the old social media. Yes, you could
follow our studio account. It's at Loft Sound Studio. It's
Lft probably see it all behind us here, and then
my accounts at Donnie Klang, my TikTok pretty much just
started blowing up. After our group got back together. We

(50:34):
posted we so our group moved all over the country.
One guy's in Arizona and one guy's in Maryland. We
finally got together for the first time in fifteen years.
We posted a singing clip and it got like over
a million overnight. Wait, so you were burying the lead.
So the band's back together? What else? Or so what's
happening after this? Now? Well, everybody's back. We started thinking

(50:55):
some originals again. Nice. It's very hard with you know,
adult life and kids, and especially the fact that that
half of everybody is living out of state. Yeah, that's hard.
You know, I would you know, I'm friends with Oteln
guys and Backstory boys, and you know what, they just
make it work, and especially with OTEWN because they are
just in every city. Um, some have little kids. Um.

(51:19):
But you know, it's just all about communication and saying, Okay,
look guys, like obviously being dad is number one, but
let's figure out how like this is the amount of
time I need off, this is what I can do,
Just so as long as everyone's on the same page.
We sang. We sang all or nothing by own. We
just sang quick and the video we just kept refreshing

(51:41):
it. It It was like one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
we were like, that was a great day. First, the
first time we get back together in fifteen years, and
the first thing we post and give the people what
they want. They'll tell you what about you? Yeah, what
about you? Guys? About a reunion? You guys have to
get back together. Well, we'll work on that. We'll work
all that. So guys, thank you so much for joining us.

(52:02):
Don't want to stay in touch. Now we're gonna follow
you on our tiptop helps blow your step up because
we give you know, we give people the frosted tips.
Oh yeah, oh, the frosted tips. The frosted tips. I
used to be the dirty pop bomp. Yeah that's upgrade. Yeah, yeah,
we've I mean we started to do a leap up.
I mean, prove me wrong, prove me wrong. I can't
tell you how long we both had frosted tips. I

(52:22):
think you're still frost tips right. No, I'm just going
to like purple now, so this will eventually purple tipped.
Yeah all right, guys, so good to meet you, meet
you again and uh we'll talk to you again very soon.
Congratulations on everything. Yeah, thanks guys, a good one. What

(52:56):
lovely guys. I like getting to know people me too.
This is what I love about the show, and most
of the people we've had on already have known and
it's hard, you know, It's like I'm asking the question
that I already know you know the answer. With interviews
like this where I don't really know anything about them,
it's just so it's so interesting to me because I
don't know what's happened. I think it's better interviews in
a lot of the ways because like you're really actively

(53:18):
listening to me. Before, when you know the answers, you're
gonna half listening because you've heard the story so many times.
Now you're like actually like hanging on to everywhere. Yeah. Yeah,
really good guys. I'll be following them and now following
them on TikTok. The bands back together, Getting the band
back together. You wish they would have done that after
for us to tips, because then we could have claimed
that we got two groups back together. Yeah, because that's

(53:39):
we're doing the awards work here you are, Yeah, getting
the bands back together? Guy? Amen? Um, all right, guys,
we are off to playgroup right now. So our kids. Yeah,
they're in this like summer camp they call it, but
it's an hour out of basically a playground. Um, they
do it twice a week, and it's so funny because
our kids, so we go, it's gonna be our preschool

(54:00):
and uh, and it's just it's the most incredible little
play area. I mean, I want to live in this playground.
You too. But you know, they sit in circles and
read books and they sing songs. They did use a
little you know, little activities. Except our kids. Oh yeah,
ours are the only ones that will not send a circle.

(54:21):
And our kids don't even play with each other. Violence
in the treehouse over here and he's pushing buttons over here,
and he's pouring water on things, just doing his own
little thing all by himself, like total loaners as everyone's
being perfect and little sitting in their parents' lap. So yeah,
we have very independent children. They are very natives. We're

(54:42):
going to do it, but this is second week, so
I'm excited to let them go have fun and they're
meeting all these little friends. I'm having the best time
there too. Oh yeah, it's a good time. I'm sebviously
going from myself, we have to we need to bring
a backup of clothes because I didn't know that there
would be water can and they met go to the
water and dump it on each other's heads. I mean

(55:02):
Alexander just takes the water and just pars it on
himself like an Oh, we've got to tell our big milestone,
all right, So, oh my god, we should have discussed this.
We are now getting into the potty training, which I
didn't think we would get into so early. Um, but
they started, you know, hadn't you know, looking at their
being like, oh, pepe, maybe they're saying aware now. H

(55:25):
So Alexander sat on his little toilet twice twice now
and did a pooh m hm. We have a pooh, folks,
and we have it on and we have a nice
photo which we're not going to start going to share
because he will kill us in the future. Yeah, let's not.
Let's not show our children's poop. No no, but we're
very proud of it. Could have been an accident, but
it was. It happened twice and then I made him

(55:47):
sit on the toilet another time and I can see
him try to squeezing an little two came out instead,
or you we have to teach him don't squeeze, you'll
get tamoids or his Bluey says, A fluffy, A fluff
at all. Right, guys, that's all the show we have
for you. Be good to each other. I don't drink
and drive to take care of those animals. We'll see
you next time on frost to test, but until then

(56:09):
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