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September 4, 2023 55 mins

Can I Get Your Number. . . so we can chat all about Ricky Rebel! 

The pop hitmaker joins Lance on the pod to talk about going from an aspiring gymnast in the Inland Empire to being in a boy band signed to Michael Jackson's label to becoming a solo artist! 

Plus, Lance and Ricky share their experiences of being closeted in a boy band, the story behind Ricky's headline-grabbing outfit to the Grammys, and the explosive clash that ended No Authority. 

Is a reunion even possible? You'll have to listen to find out! 

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my Heart
Radio podcast. Hello, my little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and
my lovely, gorgeous, very very intelligent husband. What do you want?
Michael Turkey Churchin? I don't trust him. So there's this
watch I've been really looking at. Yeah, and Christmas is

just right around the corner. Okay, well, does give me
a credit card and I'll buy it for you. I
mean to me, Christmas is right around the corner. This
is this is the start of my favorite season. I'm sorry.
If you go to CVS, what are you going to see?
Halloween stuff? That Christmas? But that's the holiday season starting. Okay,
that's just the lead up, just the lead up. We

got Thanksgiving it between that, but it ultimately leads can
we just enjoy the summer while we're in it? We exactly,
So why are you throwing it away for pumpkins? Okay?
The man wants his pumpkins, all right. So Halloween right
around the corner, which is also another major holiday, our
kid's birthday Friday thirteenth this year. Okay, it's gonna be good.
Only we gotta do a really scary party. Yeah, but

like kid friendly scary. Yeah, I can. I can work
with that. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm excited once the stores
have any kind of Halloween candy going up, it's it's
it's time, it's time. So we're going to start decorating
next week. God, when we were back from Labor Day.
Happy Labor Day weekend everyone, we are heading to Mexico

for friends kind of slash engagement party. Is that what
this is? I mean, I don't know what it is.
It's just Labor Day weekend stuff. Yeah, but but they
are engaged, so I think we're going to make that
the celebration. And I'm sure there's a birthday of someone
staying at the house. I'm sure we're going to say
it sometime. But really it's just for us to go

get a little sun for the first time. Yeah. Man,
very excited, very excited. So everyone have a very safe, safe,
safe Labor Day weekend and uh and back to work everyone.
I mean, poor kids, they've been in school for a
month already. Oh yeah yeah. But I would get out
end of May sometimes like May eighteenth, yes, and then
we wouldn't get to go to school until right after

lay it was like September. All right, So let's get
to this interview right now. I'm excited. It's Ricky Agundinez
is going to be on the show. No authority. You
might remember them from the nineties. He has gone solo.
He has made a name for himself as Ricky Rebel.
All right, and yeah, there's I mean that he is
a direct charms, a character and he made you know,

recent headlines which are not going to talk about nap,
but we're gonna dive into it at some point in
this interview. Love when people making headlines. Yeah, we're gonna
we're gonna learn some interesting stuff about this guy's wait.
All right, well, when we come back, we're gonna have
the one and only Ricky Rebel. Just getting just Ricky Rebel.

Welcome back to Frosted Tips. All right, guys, he's here. Ricky,
known by a stage named Ricky Rebel, is an American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician,
recording artist from Upland, California. He began training as a
gymnast at the age of seven and ranked fifteen in
the state of California at the age of eleven. Rebel
began training in classical ballet and jazz dance styles. Around

the age of eleven, he immediately entered dance competitions at
the regional and national level, which I think he met
his boys from No Authority at We're gonna get to that.
After some years of competed competitive dancing, Rebel began acting
performing the music was like Annie, Oliver, Phantom and ninety six.
Rebel started working with the band No Authority as their
lead vocalist. No Authority was discovered by an A and

R represented from Sony Records, and was signed to Michael
Jackson's label MJJ Music, a custom label at Sony. Ricky Rebel.
Welcome to Frosted Tips. Wow, that all correct? Correct? Yes,
that was perfect. Yeah. How much dancing do you do
these days? Because I mean that's crazy background. That was
dizzy to hear that. Yeah, it made me have all

these memories. DEARR knees hurt? Just listen, Yes, yes, especially
the freaking right knee. Right, it's my leftnee. Are you
a left eye? It's everything on my left side, my
left knee and my left back. For me, it's the
right everything on the right, the right hand is that
are you right handed? Left handed? I'm right handed. See
I have too. It's weird. You got to figure this out, Turkey. Yeah,

I'll get down to it, all right, You get down
with that, all right? All right, Ricky, let's take it
from the beginning. All right, that's a good place to
It's always a good upland, California. You were born, right,
What was it like growing up in that town? And
did you always know that you loved entertainment? Uh? Yeah,
it was a small town. I great, it was great,

you know the kind of thing basically I am. I
knew at a young age what I wanted to be
and I wanted to I saw Madonna perform. She did
like a virgin, and I was like, oh, shoot, that's
like that's what I need. Yeah, I need that in
my life. And my parents were very supportive of me,
and so they put me into classes and I started

dancing and doing gymnastics and and things kind of just
happened from there. Yeah. Was it easy? Uh? You know,
as a boy growing up, especially at our generation, dancing
is hard because you're going to get bullied a lot
by some people. Yeah. I was lucky in my school
that it was all about the arts and entertainment, So
I didn't have to go through that. But did you

have to deal with that type of situation with like, oh,
boys don't dance. Oh yeah, from the beginning of my life,
I'm sure it's been that way. And you have you
always known you were gay at a little No, no, really, no,
I'm technically by I'm like, I call myself two percent bisexual.
She said straight. I wish I said straight so much. Yeah,

you wish what you were was bisexual. I think, oh, yeah,
amazing thing it is. It is. It's really cool just
to be able to, you know, love and be attracted
to so many people. You have to try it sometime.
I mean I tried it for sure, said our generation
kind of had to go through that. But you know

it was I forced myself, so you know, it wasn't
it wasn't pleasant for me. Well that's what made it
so difficult for me to come out because to my parents,
because I didn't really know exactly what was true or false,
because I did, like I do like girls, or I
was in relationship with women at the time, so I
was like, well, I don't really know what's true yet
I was attracted to the girls. I wanted to kiss

the girls. Hold their hands, and the thought of being
with the guy was kind of gross to me at
the time growing up. But I think a lot of
a lot of that too might have come from systemic
you know, from what the universe is telling you. Yeah,
especially in the nineties. Growing up in the eighties and nineties,
it just wasn't it wasn't allowed, especially in the industry,

and you didn't really see it, you know, especially in
entertainment as much. I mean you had, like, you know,
smatterings here in the air, but it's usually a cartoonist depiction,
so like of like, you know, a gay person, they're
always kind of like the clownest person, especially during that time,
so you're like, it was all stereotypical. You don't want
to be pigeon holding to that just because Yeah, I
tell people, you know, you're like, why didn't you come
out early? I was like, well, I was never allowed

to come out, Like I felt like the world didn't
want me to, so no, I stayed in the closet.
It's been a lot of pressure for you that, yeah,
I mean it was and incredibly big and yeah, well
that added a different layer to it, for sure, But
in some ways it was I hate to say easier,

because you were, you know, in this huge thing that
was happening that you had an excuse. You always had
an excuse not to have a girlfriend or not to
you know, I don't something. You know, it's like, oh,
too busy, Ope, too busy. You were so busy you
can kind of people would believe that, Well, he's never
in the same town everybody. Yeah, so you could just
you could get away with a lot easier if I
would have gone to college with my friends and I'm

stuck at that college every day and going to the
same part. Then you're like, well, I guess I'm supposed
to date someone, right, and now I got took up
with this person. Yeah, everyone's gonna notice after a few months, right, right,
But now today it's nice. Kids can be themselves a
lot easier. Purple hair, Yeah, but you got purple hair. Yeah.

So as a kid, you began as a gymnast. You
ended up ranking fifteenth in the state of California when
you were just eleven years old. What was that like
a lot of pressure? Yeah, I remember being in gymnastics.
To be perfect was the thing. I mean, you're trying
to get a perfect ten. We have all these people
judging you from the moment you step on on the mat,

like it's it's pretty I used to like throw up
before events are for meat meats and stuff because it's
just so much pressure. That's why I started dancing and singing,
because it was like, finally I could just express myself
without like somebody with a scorecard judging you, judging you constantly.
It was just such a freeing experience for me. Yeah,

I really loved it. And then plus I had this
advantage of like going into commercials auditions or any type
of audition and throwing in some backlips and things like that,
Oh that'll always stand out. Yeah. Yeah, And immediately I
got like looked for a lot of things because I
could do stuffing. It's the special skills you get you
list on your resume that most people don't actually have.
I remember, yeah, and I was like first acting and

I first moved to LA. I just think, yeah, sure
I can do. I'm gonna question. I'm gonna question for
a job. And it's like, oh, I actually don't everyone
the question. Everyone everyone knows how to ride horses, Like
I can sit on a horse, give us a frost
the tip on you know, being a gymnast at such
a young age one thing that we want to get
our kids into. And they're almost two now, I want

to get them into gymnastics. I think it's gonna be
so good for them. Don't do it, Yeah, but just
for movement, Like I don't. I don't want them to competitive. Yeah,
I get it because my I had. My first cousin
is A was a huge competitive gymnast. She was in
the what was her thousand Olympics like she was like
and Alyssa Beckerman and it basically they ruined her role. No,

I agree, I don't want to get competitive, had such
she developed the biggest eating disorder, had so many PTSD
moments from back then she I mean her body, I
mean screwsing her ankles, screwsing her shoulders, knees, and just
the trauma of the abuse. Basically she had to go
through through all these years, but her body and her
mind through and then once you're done, you kind of

you peek out of it once you're once you hit
the Olympics, but you have to be so young and
basically they hit it anyway, and then you don't just
not really many opportunities to go from there. I don't
wish that upon our kids, that's for sure. I mean,
if they want to get sure. But my thing is like,
how how young is too young to start doing some
gymnastic type stuff. Well, I started when I was like,
I think five years old or seven years old, and listen,

it was incredibly traumatizing when I think about it now.
I had a really strong or really aggressive coach. He's
from China. His name is Roka, and he would literally
push us and you know, stand on our toes and push,
like stand on top of us when we're in the
splits to get us all the way down and scream
at us, yell at us. So it was like a
very I didn't realize how traumatic it was at the time,

but I don't I don't necessarily recommend that for children
to do highly competitive sports, especially when they're competing on
their own. I mean, like they're they're competing for themselves.
They're in a team, right, but they're they want to
win the best in the floor for the competing against
all of their teammates, right. So it makes you like
kind of in my life, like a very competitive person

but not able to work well with teams. So I
think that it's better to put a child in something
where you're kind of like, Okay, you have to work
in the team. I've had to really learn how to
be collaborative with people, open my heart to people, and
like trust people. They're not my competitors that were like
working as a team together. Well, how hard was that

I do all of that learning? How hard was it
for you to join? No authority there? Because I mean
you're still I hated them. I hated those bitches. No, really,
it was very difficult. I'm very very they I love Okay,
first of all, I love them so much. I'm going
to shout them out. Eric Tommy, I love you guys

very much. Danny Zavatsky and and the one member you know,
do we not name him whatever? We want to talk
about him. But you know, we worked really hard and
I kind of crack the whip because it is all
that training, right, all of that gymnastics and ballet and

dance and everything. I would come in and be like, hey, guys,
we gotta be better, we gotta rehearse more. Band is
like training for the Olympics. Yeah, it really, I mean
it needs to be like that. And I'm sure you
had people well yeah, you included and other people who
really cared and you want to be the best. Where
I felt and they're gonna get upset with me. But
I felt like there was more of an emphasis on

being popular with my Bamians and partying how many phone
with girls and drinking and things like that, which I'm
not interested in, you know, which is a typical teenager.
You know. Yeah, I was always like, why are you partying?
You're not You're not at the level that you that
we need. We need to be at this level and
then you're going to really know what a party is. Okay,

I want those kind of rays. I want the big orgies,
you know what I'm saying. I don't want with like celebrities,
you know. I don't want to Illuminati parties, That's what
I know. But I'm like, I don't want like this
like low level thing. You know. We gotta work hard
to achieve real part already stats like real things, you know.

And I think that they resented me a little bit
for that, But they also loved me for it too,
you know, because I really did. How did you guys meet?
We met an audition and this man named Richard Walters
put us together, and it's so funny that Richard Walters
is back in my life. He's coming to all of
my shows now. I performed the Viper Room, I performed
recently the Whiskey a Go Go. He's like back in

my life and like really like loving my new vibe,
my new look, my new show. It's just funny, like
it's like come full circle. He's giving me advice and
try this maybe, and you know it's so crazy, but yeah,
we auditioned for him, and he put us together and
started getting like cool producers to work with us. You

know what kind of producers did y'all start with? Do
you remember like the first songs that you started recording
our demos? Vincent Brantley was our first man. Vincent Brandley,
he had done a couple of He's got a couple
of good hit songs. But really our first real producer
for the album was Ronnie Jerkins. Oh yeah, we know Rodney.
You know Ronnie nineteen year old. When we got signed

to Michael Jackson's label, Jerry Greenberg was like, oh, you
have to work with this guy. Or maybe it was
maybe it was Richard Walters who brought him in. I
think it was Richard nineteen year old prodigy named Ronnie Jerkins,
and he did the whole album was so awesome and
very R and B pop. R and B so talk

about abuse, I mean and trauma. For me, I'm a
pop singer. I grew up with Madonna, you know, Prince
and Michael and he gets in the room and it's
like they want like yeah, so I had to really
step up. Listen to Mary J. Blie like all these Well,

I mean, as a professional, what did you do knowing
that you had to go from this pop love to now,
you know, getting educated about R and B music? Did
you just dive into it? Did you do anything special?
I dived into it, of course because I wanted the
lead parts. You know, I listened to a lot of
R and B at the time, and I love R

and B. I mean, TLC is one of my favorite
girl bands of all time. I can go on and on.
You know, Whitney. The Way to Excel soundtrack is like
something I listened to when I want to cry because
it has every single diva on the planet. Yeah, I
just dived into it, and I think, at my heart,

I think I might be a soul singer at the
heart of who I am probably R and B. But
I don't like like to talk about that or are
you tally me? I like to like to say that
because it's such a big honor to you know, just
sing like that, like it's like like out of this world,
you know, quite a talent. It's yeah, it is. So

you signed with Michael Jackson's label. Someone sent a demo
tape to him. What was on the tape? First off,
do you remember what that demo was? I'm inside being
a song called I'm Going Crazy, So it was it
was an original. Wasn't just a cover? Oh yeah, yeah,
I no, we didn't. We didn't do cover. It's a

popular I'm not gonna say cut father and Joe Gosh,
I can't even recall the names, but there they were.
They were prominent. They were prominent people. Did you ever
get to meet Michael Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He he
invited us to Neverland Ranch for the release of our
our album, and he invited like the radio station to

come in, like like winners from on the radio station,
so they would watch us perform and do like five songs.
And we're at Neverland. We got to meet Michael. That's great.
How does he involved with any of the producing the
records or telling you, guys, yeah, you need to do
this song. Like, how involved was he? He was pretty involved.
He's an executive producer, so he's putting the money out

for it. I'm sure that's what executive producers do. And
and he did curate a lot of I think he
was the one who wanted us to work with Ronnie
and approved of that, and we would do songs and
sometimes it would be like, well, he's not really feeling that,
or he is feeling that, So he had a little
bit of a hand in it. That's great. Yeah, you know,
we got to know Michael a good bit and he
you know what an influence he had on pretty much

every single artist you got to perform with him. Did
hello Yeah, many people can say that on the planet.
I mean, it's definitely a pinch me moment for sure.
I remember that moment. Yeah. Just yeah, I'll someone else,
you know, tag me in like a video or something
with that, and I'm like, wait a minute, it did happen.
Oh my gosh, whole performance with everybody involved. Yeah, that

was incredible. What did the days the early days light
for the group. So you get together. How did y'all
officially get together? So you audition for your manager? Right?
Was it like a long process or was this kind
of like, yeah, you five guys are great, let's do this. Well,
it was weird because we got we got booked right away,
and our bandmates to Danny, Eric and well, Danny and

Eric and I used to compete with each other in dance,
so we kind of knew each other already because we
were kind of friends already to begin with. And at
first we were supposed to be backup singers for somebody else.
His name was JD. He was like, you know, a
good singer, and anyway, I came in the studio and
I would end up like doing some of the leads,

and I would piss totally piss him off. And you know,
I was supposed to be the dancer who could kind
of sing or whatever. But the but the producers realized
that I was pretty fast on so they had me
do a lot of the vocals. And so he gets jealous.
It's a common thing. I swear, there's like a I'm
not trying to be like praise myself or whatever. But

these boys would get like the lead boys would get
really competitive with me and me vice versa. Okay, gymnasts
coming out, but they would be like I'm out. So
JD was out. So we had to find another guy
a rotating door. And then we found another guy. His
name is Josh. I'll give him okay, Josh. He's actually

a beautiful singer, I must say so. We he when
he came in the band. He had this very R
and B voice and I have a very pop voice.
So I had to learn how to like really like,
you know, I better if I want to get those leads,
I have to blend in with it. Be better. Yeah,
become a better singer. So I do give him props
for that, like made me want to become a better singer.

And I did do that. And then he decided one
moment that he wanted to go solo during like one
of the biggest shows. We're gonna do a big show
in Canada. And on the in the actual you know,
to get on the plane, we get the call he's
not coming. As you're going to the airport. As we're
going the airport actually checking in our bags, Josh is

late because he's he's going solo, like literally and to
do one of our biggest shows that we've ever done.
It was for y TV. I don't know if you
remember that, Yes, yeah, y TV, and we'd like this
big concert, like Y two K type thing concert and
this guy just decided I wanted to decide to leave
because he thought he was really great, so he just

wanted solo and just was over it. And up to
that point, we're all not getting along. No, I mean
we weren't. I mean being in the boy band was
kind of miserable for me, but also really exciting, right
because you're accomplishing things. You're going on towards Britney Spears,
you're doing all these great interviews, you're traveling, you're a
tour bus and everything. But for me, I didn't. We didn't.

I didn't feel like we always meshed twelve or it
got along well. Some people just don't click, which I did.
Y'all ever live together at the beginning of the group.
Did you ever live in the same house? No? Okay,
because I think that's so important because we had to
do that. We lived together for a year before we
got a record deal. So wow, you knew by a

month two if you liked the person. You don't get
me wrong. I love them. They love me straight up.
They know I love Danny Zabatski all my heart, Eric,
Tommy forever, Okay, Josh, I don't because he abandoned he
jumped ship when we needed him. But don't get me wrong,

they love me. I love them and it's like a
brother again. Would you just need like an apology? I'm friends,
I have not I I love them and they they
might have some ideas about me that they might want
to talk to me about, or they probably they probably
have talked to me about it. And one of them, Tommy,
has talked to me about feelings he's had about me,

some a few resentments, but Eric refuses. I've been like, Eric,
why is Eric not allow? He has a podcast? They
had a pody like why have you guys invited me
on the show? I'd love to be on and Dad
and He's like, well Eric doesn't want you. Yeah, And
I'm like, what the hell? What did I do to Eric?
Stretch affection? We call Eric up right now, Yes, we

have on the phone right now. Eric, come to the
door right now. And you know what, if he did
come in the door, we would like love each other.
And you have the biggest hug in the world. They
just know him a bitch. I can't be a bitch.
You could be honest about that, I am. I can't
be I cracked that way. I mean, listen, a lot
of personalities class you may you can still love someone
and not like me even with you guys, and then

saying personalities class a lotus best friends, all of you
talking about a single day. But like I always say,
you love these guys, you hate these guys. Every emotion
comes out. People don't understand, like there, it's it's family.
It's it's literally family. It's with anybody. If you're around someone,
no matter what, whether you're married or your roommates, you're
always gonna start looking at the negative thing. Of course,

little things will bother you and they build up until
you want to murder the Yeah you started hopping on
the two negative things against the five hundred amazing. It's
like being in rel It's the same as it's like
being in a relationship with somebody. And sometimes you know, fisticuffs,
We have fisticuffs. If you guys have a fisticuffs, Oh yeah,
I don't. Oh we have fisticuffs. Can we talk? Let me,

can we talk? I mean go for it. There was
one time when Josh he We're at Tommy Mottola's office
and Sony in New York. I'll never forget this. We're
gonna go meet Tommy. Tommy wants to meet us. We're
in the waiting room like like here, you know, we're
in the waiting room and he decides to like lose
his shit about something. I don't know what it was,

and he literally like punched, like punched me. It was crazy,
and I looked at him. I was like, I was
so mad. I was so curious. It was something something happened.
But he put his hands on me at Temmy Matola's
office and then they got the call. They're like, Tommy
doesn't want to see you guys anymore because he saw,

you know, he could see that we were like fighting. Yeah,
that that'd be hard to bang. I got so mad
because I wanted to work with Tommy Mattola. So he
turned us down, Okay, But I was like yeah, and
we and we went up into the hotel room afterward,
and I knocked on his door and I'm like, let's go,

like literally I walked in this close to him. He
starts crying because he broke up with his girlfriend was
some bullshit. I didn't care. That's me. I don't care
about your feelings. I don't care about any of that. Like,
we had a job to do. If you want to
fight right now, let's fight right now. I'm ready to go.

And he didn't do it. But the thing is, like,
I can't believe I'm talking about this. I probably has
to see a therapist of at all this stuff, but
you really have to go through this. But yeah, it
was just a real moment. And I looked into his
eyes and I saw the vulnerability there. But I didn't care.

I don't we have. When you're trying to succeed, your
emotions have to like take a way way back seat, compartmentalized, compartmentalized.
It was so unprofessional, you know. Yeah, some people that
are that emotional and they just can't you know, they
don't understand that at all. Well we're artists. So well

now you switched to Maverick, which is Madonna's record label.
So you go from Michael Jackson's label to Madonna's label.
Why the switch? Why or how are both? Both? Yeah,
it's a pretty big deal. The why was at the time, Sony,
you know, it's called being shelved, right, they shelved our

records and they were like, oh, we have to put
Mandy's out, we have to put this record out, we
have to put this record out before you guys. And
apparently Madonna's record label found out that that was happening,
and they're like, okay, well we'll buy you out of
that contract and put you onto our label and then
put you on toward Britney Spears at the same time,
you know, on top of it. And we were like,

and when I got that call, I think it was
a publicist who called me, is that you know Madonna
is considering buying you guys out and signing her to
I was like, because that's my hero. Oh I can
imagine that. I mean, yeah, Michael is like definitely something
really honor and everything, but Madonna was like a big,

really big deal. And then yeah, we went we went
into the Maverick offices. We met with Guyos Siri and
the president of the label and they were just so excited. Yeah,
that's awesome. So you mentioned you went on to our
Britney Spears. You've also been on to A ninety degrees.
Deshny's child Aaron Carter, which was your favorite tour? My

favorite tour, well, of course Brittany, because there's another one
that I really love, love Brittany. I literally I literally
had my tour bus. I had pictures of Britney, you know,
against like the you know, the little bunk Britney, photos
of her, super crush on her. Pretty and it's such

a great dancer and performer. Yeah, I was definitely Brittany. Yeah,
she's a sweetheart. So this was the end of the nineties. Uh,
in the beginning of the two thousands. Let's talk fashion
a little bit, because you are a fashionable man. We
were not at all in our group. I mean well,

according to twenty twenty three, we were fashionable time. No
listen to everyone fun of us. You guys look ridiculous, Yes,
oh my gosh. Everyone made fun of what we wore. Yeah,
but there were like the older people making fun of
or maybe we were just so it was like the
Jan Rivers of the forward. Maybe we were because like

Abercami Fitches come back out and all my stuff is
that nineties look and vibe. That's that's what we would wear. Yeah,
and I always thought it was horrendous. Well, yeah, it
was a little cookie. But that's but you were like
pop stars all the time. So with you guys, who
was the more fashionable one? Who got to decide, Okay,
this is what our looks gonna be. I could have

answered that for you. That's the question. I just met you,
But I have a feeling you would not let any
of the other guys lead the look Were you happy
with the looks? Like? Were you happy with the image
that y'all had? When we first started, it was all
about like, oh, individuality, We're doing this kind of spicecroll
thing where it's like you're this thing, you're that thing.

And so Danny had like the skater vibe, which is
totally him, which is great, and then you know, Eric
had his vibe, and then I had my vibe. But
as things kind of progressed and that one person I
talked about like left, I started to take a little
bit more of the leading role and like kind of

like maybe we should have like a vibe that we
just kind of share with each other, and and then
we started kind of dressing a little more similarly. Nice.
What would you say your fashion was back then? Like
was there a style you were going for? I'm like you.
I think it was horrible. I think you didn't have
to work with back in the late nineties. Okay, it

was just about flashy. It was about kind of like
what you have like now, like kind of like we
wanted things like sparkle. We want to remember what do
you call it when you like Ryan Stones. Yeah, I'm
literally wearing a dazzled shirt right now. Yeah, the dazzle
combining like like hard rock things like ironic hard rock

t shirts. Oh yeah, in the planet Hollywood hard rock
t shirts. Yeah, like like things that you would probably
not be listening hard rock, not the hotel. Oh I
think I was like, well, because people hard rock cafe
shirts were so huge in the nineties, like they were
opening up one in every city around the world. Can't
playing in Hollywood. It's just like nineties douche. Yeah, but

that was it was the look. It was cute. Yeah,
that was the look. It was just douche like. That
was that was the style. Now it's super hot. I
love it. Uh. Now, you and I have similar, you know,
experiences being closeted while performing in a boy band and
and a time where it just wasn't accepted. What was

your experience like and what what's your advice that the
label was given you. Were you ever told like let's
not talk about our sex life at all or that
that just doesn't exist. Yeah, it doesn't exist. We were
told to We had to go through media training. Yeah,
so basically the things that we should could talk or
they want us to talk about and not talk about.

And I just one time, Oh gosh, am I going
to talk about this on Yes you are of course?
All right? We did this show in Jersey and it
was a big show and I was so excited and
the Label was there, Maverick was there, and I wore
this really cool I thought it was really cool. It
was like a kind of Elvis inspired black jumpsuit and

it was like like like leather but pleather and kind
of shined and and I just felt so hot in
this thing. It's like so cool, and I'm dancing around.
I have it like halfway or halfway undone. I'm dancing
to the girls, growing crazy everything. And then I got
a call from management and they're like, Ricky, you know,
we have to have a talk with you. The label

is concerned that you are coming across as too feminine,
and it broke my heart. I was like, of all
the people that I want to upset, yea, of all
the people that I want to offend or whatever the
label how's a problem? Which now makes you even deeper

into that closet. Yeah, well it just makes me feel
so ashamed. And then there was another moment when we
were having a press conference and it was it was
a show for all for school kids, like junior high.
I think justinember Lake was actually there like like at

some sort of like a speech or whatever, and there
were like thousands of kids from all over the country
coming in junior high high school kids, and I was nervous.
I was so nervous because I didn't go to high
school and all this stuff. So I'm like, well, all
these school shows we did, I was always like, oh
my gosh, how is this going to go? But we

did this whole thing, and then we had like a
media event after where like this the school newspaper people
would come and like all the interview us, and one
of the girls was like, Ricky, you know you walk
a certain way and you talk a certain way. Are
you gay? Straight up? You were outed by the kid's newspaper.

That's where all the hard journalists are Turkey. I really
it was Chris whatever got you? She caught me this
girl and the Ironnie thing is I had a girlfriend
at the time, and I wasn't like out like that
or whatever. And I was like, all the people, I mean,

Eric is actually gay. Why don't you ask him him
that question? Why are you asking me? Was Eric out
of that time or you just you knew he was?
He was like, I don't really care if they know
or if they don't. It's just so he was out
to you guys. He was out to me and to us.
Was at least he had someone that's nice. I did, yeah,
because when Lance was in the group, nobody didn't tell him,
none of anyone bisexual boys, and that didn't you know

in the groups. I wish I know, honestly that's not
what I heard. But oh, we need to talk about
Nicky mouse Club era. But we'll talk to that privately. Privately.
Well one, I could never look at them in that way,

so like I've you know, but I feel like I
would know that just so oh god, I justin oh,
I did, especially like when you had the first looks
girls to brain here yea, I was that, Yeah, you

it's cute, But where were we I digressed about trauma
when we're talking about how you know, statistically in groups,
you know, there should be a gay one or at
least a bisexual one, and there's many that don't have any.
But again, who knows, We don't know. There's true story,
they're deep down. Yeah, they got to be two percent

by like I'm two percent straight? Yeah, I mean yeah,
I would say I'm maybe one percent straight because I
did date girls. Yeah, I was girls. Yeah, Okay, then
I might be five percent then yeah, because I had fun,
yeah and I still do. Yeah. No, I don't know. Yeah,
it wasn't my thing. We haven't had fun like that. No, No,
it's been a while. It's been a while, all right.

So two thousand and one, unfortunately no authority disbands. So
what ultimately led to this decision? So Josh was out
for the Canadian show? Do y'all y'all just went as
a four for a while or did y'all want to
replace We always had four? Only oh shoot, okay, three
the fourth? Yeah, we had to find a new a
new member. And that's when Tommy came in, okay, and

he was such a breath of fresh air. Because he
was so excited. He wasn't jaded at all. He was
a team player, and so we got along very well
and we just started collaborating with each other and because
he was cool with me, the two other boys used
to kind of do whatever that other leading person wanted.
I'm sorry, guys, it was like basically whatever he wanted.

They kind of like this, And if I said laught,
they were like, oh, we're gonna go we want to
go right. So I would literally do the opposite. I'm saying, Okay,
I want to go right, and they do, No, We're
going left, and like that's what I want. I'd have
to play games that, so many mental games. But this
guy came in Tommy, and he didn't play any games
with me. He was just like I love this, and

I went out, bun, let's let's do this. And so
the whole vibe of the band changed and became more
of a fun experience for all of us. And that's
we had our biggest success. We had Can I Get
Your Number on the radio and all of that. So
that was the most fun I had was with that
the four Yeah, and I mean it's going great. Like
you said, can I get your number huge hit. What

made you all decide not to do music anymore? Well,
we were going to do another album with the label
with Maverick. There was that that phone call that said,
you know, basically that Richard wants to have his producers

to do the record, not the producers that Maverick wanted
us to work with. And so apparently there's like a
big blow up. I got the call, you know, a
and R guy yelling with Richard and Richard yelling, and
basically I knew, oh god, I think that's the end
because it's this big clash. And sure enough they were like, yeah,

we're gonna they dropped us from the label. Well that
sucks at it all kind of landed on your management,
you know, to make that decision. Really was there no
going straight to label? But I'm like, okay, let's talk
about this, let's let's figure this producer shit out. Well yeah,
but they were he was our We had like a
contract with him, so basically he was your Lou Proman.

But did he Lou Proman? Yeah? Did you did you
actually get a good deal? I wish you would have
Lou Proman me. Wait, what does that mean? God? He
made you guys start, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, he
made you guys super like you guys had a maximum talent.

I mean, no doubt. But I'm saying like without that money,
without that I mean, I know, it's a really horrible contract.
Oh I'm sure, and I'm sure he puts you through
a lot, but but our guy put us through, sorry,
put us through what he put us through, and didn't
necessarily accomplish what the goal. Goal ultimately was to have

a hit record, And so I would have preferred that
we worked with Maverick and let them have a shot.
Of course, Well it's a different time. I mean, if
you think two thousand and one, that was you know,
nine to eleven happens, and I think that kills pop
music for a long time, Like it just entertainment just
fizzled for a bit right there. It killed that. So
you're you're right at that, You're right at the tail

end of the boy band Eric kind of you know,
fizzling out a little bit, which again eleven kind of
put the nail in that coffin. So yeah, you're at
a situation where like, well, crap, are we too late?
And I wonder if that was the label being like, yeah,
We're not even gonna have bet on this anymore. We're
we've moved on to something different, Different genres are taken over. Well,
they didn't mention any of that. They just mentioned yeah,

they of course not, but they did mention the clash.
I mean I heard about the big clash, and it
was really difficult for me, so crazy difficult because I
had to go back to my girlfriend and I were
living in a certain place in Suyo City. Then we
had to go back to my parents, and I just
felt like, oh my god, after living off this like

crazy high and traveling and everything and coming back to
Upland yea, and living with my girlfriend in Upland when
my parents, I was just like whoa, Yeah, how was that? Yeah?
How was that transition? Then? Yeah? Then how do you
transition then into your Yeah? Like what does what does
life look like? Now? Like you're back in upland you're
living your girlfriend, Like what like where where do you

think you're going from there? I was depressed. Yeah, of course,
I feel like anyone would be approve yeah, yeah, But
I started I started picking up pro tools, started producing
my own music and you know, playing the guitar and
and started creating this music that was kind of like
my way of coping with that. And then I had
like other people that I would meet along the way,

like a dance classes. I met a boy band that
wanted to produce them to be produced, a Latino boy band,
and so oh, it's so hot even thinking about them. Now, Yeah,
a type, many types I have many times. This is
one of them. And they came over, and yeah, I

produced them, and and I just started producing more and
writing and trying to find my sound and and I
went through a lot of, you know, reinventions because people
in the industry, we're like, well, you should do this,
you should you should do rock and were dickies and yeah,
be straight and make sure that people know that they

have a chance with you. Even now, everybody's like, you
should project yourself with certain ways. So you think women
have a chance. But the ironic thing is they do
have a chance. It's just I'm a little more comfortable
with who how I am. Anyway, I like this little more.
But bottom line, it was difficult, But I did, you know,

learn I learned a lot. Now, where did Ricky Rebel
come from? Ricky Rebel? One day I was like, okay,
I'm going to create a persona and I'm gonna just
open up this dictionary and the name's gonna pop out.
And I literally opened up the dictionary and I was like,
r is it rebel? I was like, Oh, that's so
my personality. I'm quite rebellious. When the industry told me

that you couldn't be gay or whatever, I said, No,
I'm gonna be who I am. I'm gonna be whoever.
I am going to write a song. I wrote a
song about it called Boys and Sometimes Girls And at
a time when it wasn't right to do that, and
I'm gonna go with who I am going to rebel
against an industry that tells me that I can never
succeed being open like that. And I decided to do that.

And that was like my biggest song so far. It
was a Billboard top forty record. I'm really proud of
that because it was something that I produced in my
own hands. I didn't have Ronnie do it. I didn't
have some other you know what I mean. It's something
that I am manufactured and made and I believed in
and people have fun when they hear it, a smile
and so I'm proud of that record. I think a

lot of people would say you're rebellious by supporting our
former president, which is a big news that you did
the Grammys and you do a very big fashion statement.
Was that the one where you bent over and your
cheeks said impeach this? Yeah? I did that. Okay, when
you're going through your mind like, Okay, what am I
to wear it to the Grammys right now, I'm gonna
make a statement, I'm going to take my butt cheeks

out and write impeach this? Yes? Was that just the
thought process? Well? Yeah, I mean I wanted to do
something that was funny because I felt like people were
trying to be too serious about all of this stuff,
which they're now. They're on maximum seriousness when it comes
to politics, which I hate that word. By the way,
I know we don't tell politics on the show. Thank

you so much, because I'm I've I denounced politics now
because I did that and I realize that it's very divisive.
Oh my gosh, you're never gonna win anyone over anywhere
you go. You don't win, and it's like that's not
who I am. Like, but personally, are you still political
in your own personal life? Like you still believe in
like the conservative values and you know all that part.

I mean, there are things that I disagree with, of course,
and i've and I think they're going too far a
lot of times. And why do you think as a
gay man, Yeah, as a gay man, why do you
think it's so controversial to support someone like our former president? Like,
Oh my god, they will think it's so controversial. I
got death threats. Oh my god, it was. It was

very traumatizing for me to be because that that's the
most quote famous I've ever been, was when I went
to the Grammys and I wore that suit and there
were people yelling out the paparazzi, I hope your babies die.
He hates your kind things like that. Gosh, I don't

even know. I don't even know what to say about
the whole thing that The bottom line is, yes, I
do think the way that I think. But at the
same time, I know that my heart that I'm here
to make people happy through music, art, dance, and fashion
and things that I kind of view as superficial, but

in reality they're not. Art is a very important thing
for society, and so many people are trying to take
art away, which just kills and I understand why a
lot some people have the reasoning to take art away
because it expands people's minds. It makes you see other,
you know, sides of situations. So taking arts out of schools,

I mean just limiting what books we can put in libraries.
What do you think about all this art just being
destroyed right now? That's a no no for me. Free
speech is a very important thing to me, and it
goes both ways for everybody. Yeah, I feel like if
you're into if that's what you support, you support it.
You can't pick and choose free speeds, if that's right.

It has to be things that you're uncomfortable with on
both sides. And that's why when when people try to stop,
that's why at the time, I felt like my voice
was being silenced and I kind of felt like I
was back in the closet, you know, and I felt
like like in the boy band, when I couldn't say

who I really was. I felt like another moment like this,
I'm like I just had to fight to like be
who I really am, you know, in this degree, and
now I have to do it again, or I felt
like I need to do it again. But in reality,
you don't. This is like, this is like wisdom coming
from after going through the fire. The wisdom, the wisdom

is from all of this is that you don't have
to have an opinion. You could be a stoic, yeah, exactly,
and you don't. I don't have to have an opinion
on that. I don't have to indulge in this. I
don't have to talk about it. I don't have to
be a part of it, yea. And I want to
talk about my art now. And so I think that
I went really far. Well, people think I'm far right,

but I'm really not. I'm like center right. But but
to people who are center right, it's like to the
to a somebody who's like far left, or they might
they they're going to say it. I think the majority
of us are center like. I mean, I'm center stream
ust you know, of course, now, I mean in terms
of politics. Right. So what I did was I you know,

I said what I said. I did what I did.
I believed, you know, I didn't like the delivery. I'll
say this, I don't like a lot of the way
I did, said certain things or different things and alienated
my audience. That's not cool, and that's not something I
want to do, but I have fun. I mean writing
a peach this and you know, peach my ass, like,

you know, like this is so stupid. It's just too
much fighting. It was a total moment. I flipped that
chapter way over and now I'm like in this really
cool space where I'm like, okay, I did something that way.
Now I want to show you that I'm actually very liberal.
I'm actually very like especially when it comes to like
who you choose to love and and expression of who

you are and be yourself. I am all about that.
And so I wrote a song called Booty Eater. I
love how you use your art. I mean really, okay,
that upset that really upsets that whatever that you know,
that audience that you know, they're like, you're a trader,

you know. I mean, it doesn't matter what. Even on
this podcast me saying the word shit is, there's gonna
be probably a thousand people out there and be like, no,
you know, they're over you. It's for that, but it's
we're a humans, you know, and I want I wanted
to show people that, Look, I'm also very yeah, you know,

expressive in a lot of ways and very liberal. So
this is part of me too. Yeah, well you're not
in a box all right. Before we let you go,
we have some fan questions for you. This one is
party go Pez. What's your favorite No Authority memory? The
plane ride of Canada. My favorite memory was being on

tour and then on a tour bus. I'll never forget.
We're about to perform in front of thousands of people
with Britney spears. And there was this magazine, Billboard magazine.
And I opened the Billboard magazine and there was a
big write up of No Authority and it said that
we were the second most added record in the country
behind Janet Jackson. It's like Jane Jackson and then No Authority.

That's a framer. It was a framer moment. It's like
here i am on a tour bus with all these
people and I'm about to perform, and here it is
that we made this record and you know, the second
most added behind Janet. That was my That's great. Aaron
Augusta would like to know would there be a possible
No Authority reunion? And before you answer this, we do

make miracles happen on this show. We have put bands together. Really,
we have fixed relationships. So I'm just saying we probably
could get the band back together and you and Josh
back as best friends. I'm just just put that out there.
But would there ever be a possibility without the help
of Frost to tips? Oh yes, I've told them. I

told the boys, I'm like, whenever you're ready, like, but
they all have to be on board, not just like two, well, yeah,
you gotta put in the work and all three. Yeah,
I want the whole thing. They all have to want it.
But Dannie will never ever ever, Why do you think
Danny because he's like in dad life, He's in daddy.
He's such a daddy. I get it though, Like with

these kids, I'm so glad that I have this radio
show because I wouldn't have been able to do the
schedule I did with these kids. Like I wouldn't be
able to be on a plane four times a week.
I would be able to do this, you know, film
over here. I'm so happy that I was able to
have this little break with these kids, at least, yeah,
the first couple. Now it's it'll go a little easier

now that they get in school and all that. Then
I can, you know, do the things I used to do.
But yeah, with newborns. It's it's hard. It's hard to
go back to work because you don't want to go
back to work. I just want to stay here with
these kids. You love them the best. You ever want
to have kids? Well, I have two kids now, No

you do not. Yeah, no, I didn't know you had
kids once a rag dog. I was about to say,
I knew it, like I missed. Oh my god. Oh
Mancun's the best cats my husband loves. Yeah, yeah, if
he's definitely a lursure to cats. But if I had
a cat, it would get Yeah, but the biggest one

I could find, oh yeah, big hair, that's like a woman,
like the gray one. It's a majestic animal. And they
just look scary in the face sometimes, like are you
gonna rip my face off? Yeah? They have this kind
of tighter thing. Love it, Love it, babe. You need
to get a shot. We need to get cat and
get you a shot. Okay, all right, do they make
shot for cats? Yeah? They do? Okay? Actually, and what

music are you listening to right now? Can you give
us some suggestions? Even if it's older music now? Whatever?
Oh wow, anybody you're liking I just stick with the classics.
Like I love the Weekend. I like the cloud you
did with Madonna. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

just the Weekend. Right now, I'm pretty obsessed with I'm
writing my own record right now. It's kind of it's
like a sex album. Okay, it's called Fantasy Control. So
when will we hear that it's coming out, like by
the end of the month. It's the new single. It's
kind of depeche Mode rock. Yeah, the whole record is
just exploring I'm doing, like my sex album, like getting

it out of the way, like I promise mom once
I get this out. Can I like about unicorns your
pop music? Forever and ever and ever till the day
I die? All right, thank you so much for being
on the show. Rick It was so great to get
to know you. How can everyone stay in touch with
you out there? Everybody you can find me Ricky Rubbell
Rocks dot com and I'm Ricky Rubble Rocks on all

the platforms wait because rip about rocks gays. All right,
thank you so much for being here. Thank you for
having me. It's so much fun. Well, I mean that
is all the show we have. I think, so Turkey.
Thank you so much for being here as always, and
everyone be good to each other out there, don't drink
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