September 4, 2023 • 55 mins
Can I Get Your Number. . . so we can chat all about Ricky Rebel!
The pop hitmaker joins Lance on the pod to talk about going from an aspiring gymnast in the Inland Empire to being in a boy band signed to Michael Jackson's label to becoming a solo artist!
Plus, Lance and Ricky share their experiences of being closeted in a boy band, the story behind Ricky's headline-grabbing outfit to the Grammys, and the explosive clash that ended No Authority.
Is a reunion even possible? You'll have to listen to find out!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,
my little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my lovely, gorgeous,
very very intelligent husband.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Michael Turkey Tchurchen?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't trust him.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So there's this watch I've been really looking at. Yeah,
and Christmas is just right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, we'll just give me your credit card. I'll buy
it for you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I mean to me, Christmas is right around the corner.
This is this is the start of my favorite season.
I'm sorry. If you go to CVS, what are you
going to see? Halloween stuff?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That's Christmas?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But that's the holiday season starting. Okay, that's just the
lead up, just the lead up. We got Thanksgiving it
between that, but it ultimately leads here.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We just enjoy summer while we're in it. You're bare
leading exactly. So why are you throwing it away?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
For want pumpkins?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, the man wants his pumpkins.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right. So Halloween right around the corner, which is
also another major holiday. Our kid's birthday Friday the thirteenth
this year.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We got to do a really scary party, but like
kid friendly scary.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean two year scary.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah I can.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I can work with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, so I'm excited. Once the stores have any kind
of Halloween candy going up, it's it's it's time, it's time.
So we're gonna start decorating next week. God, when we
were back from Labor Day. Yes, happy Labor Day weekend everyone,
we are heading to Mexican code for friends kind of
(01:35):
slash engagement parties.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is that what this is?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I mean, I don't know what it is. It's just
Labor Day weekend stuff, but they are engaged, So I
think we're going to make that the celebration. And I'm
sure there's a birthday of someone staying at the house.
I'm sure we're going to say it's born sometime, but
really it's just for us to go get a little
sun for the first time. Yeah. Man, very excited, very excited.
(01:59):
So everyone have a very safe, safe, safe Labor Day weekend.
And uh and back to work everyone. I mean, poor kids,
I've been in school for a month already. Oh yeah yeah,
but I would get out end of May sometimes like
May eighteenth, yes, and then we wouldn't get to go
to school until right after Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It was like September.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
All right, So, uh, let's get to this interview right now.
I'm excited. It's Ricky Agandinez is going to be on
the show. No authority. You might remember them from the nineties.
He has gone solo. He has made a name for
himself as Ricky Rebel. All right, and yeah, there's I
mean that he is a direct charge.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
As a character.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And he made you know, recent headlines which we're not
gonna talk about nap, but we're gonna dive into it
at some point in this interview.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Them people make it headlines.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna learn some interesting stuff about
this guys.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Wait, all right, well, when we come back, we're gonna
have the one and only Ricky Rebel. Just getting this
Ricky Rebel, Welcome back to Frosted Tips. All right, guys,
(03:09):
he's here. Ricky, known by a stage named Ricky Rebel,
is an American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician, recording artist from Upland, California.
He began training as a gymnast at the age of
seven and ranked fifteen in the state of California at
the age of eleven. Rebel began training in classical, ballet
and jazz dance styles. Around the age of eleven, he
immediately entered dance competitions at the regional and national level,
(03:31):
which I think he met his voice from No Authority
at We're going to get to that. After some years
of competed competitive dancing, Rebel began acting before the music
was like Annie Oliver Phantom. In ninety six, Rebel started
working with the band No Authority as their lead vocalist.
No Authority was discovered by an A and R represented
from Sony Records, and was signed to Michael Jackson's label
(03:52):
MJJ Music, a custom label at Sony Ricky Rebel. Welcome
to frosted Tips. Wow, was that all correct?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That correct? Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That was perfect?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How much dancing do you do these days? Because I
mean that's a crazy background.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That was dizzy to hear that. Yeah, it made me
have all these memories.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Do your knees hurt just listen?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, yes, especially the freaking right knee, right or right?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's my leftnee.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Are you a lefty?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah? It's everything on my left side, my left knee
and my left my bag.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
For me, it's the right everything on the right. The
right hand is that?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Are you right handed? Left handed?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm right handed?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
See I am too.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You got to figure this out, Turkey. Yeah, I'll get
down to it, alright, You get down that Google. All right,
all right, Ricky, let's take it from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
All right, that's a good place.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's always a good Upland, California. You were born, right,
What was it like growing up in that town? And
did you always know that you loved entertainment? Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, it was a small town. I great, it was great,
you know, the kind of thing. Basically, I I knew
at a young age what I wanted to be and
I wanted to I saw Madonna perform. She did like
a virgin, and I was like, oh, shoot.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's like that's what I need.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, I need that in my life. And my parents
are very supportive of me, and so they put me
into classes and I started dancing and doing gymnastics and
and things kind of just happened from there.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah. Was it easy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You know, as a boy growing up, especially in our generation,
dancing is hard because you're gonna get bullied a lot
by some people.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was lucky in my school that it was all
about the arts and entertainment, so I didn't have to
go through that. But did you have to deal with
that type of situation with like, oh, boys don't dance?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Oh yeah, at the beginning of my life. Yeah, I'm
sure it's been that way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And you have you always known you were gay at
a little No?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, really, no, I'm technically by I'm like, I call
myself two percent bisexual.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I said straight, I said straight by me so much
you wish what you were was bisexual?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I think, oh, yeah, it is. It is. It's really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Just to be able to, you know, love and be
attracted to so many.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
People when you have to try it sometime.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean, trust me, I tried it for sure. Like
I said, our generation kind of had to go through that.
But you know it was I forced myself, so you
know it wasn't it wasn't pleasant for me.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, that's what made it so difficult for me to
come out because to my parents, because I didn't really
know exactly what was true or false, because I did,
like I do like girls, or I was in relationship
with women at the time, so I was like, well,
I don't really know what's true yet. I was attracted
to the girls and wanted to kiss the girls, hold
their hands, and the thought of being with the guy
was kind of gross to me at the time growing up.
(06:50):
But I think a lot of a lot of that
too might have come from systemic.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You know, from what the universe is telling you.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, especially the nineties. Growing up in the eighties and nineties,
it just wasn't it wasn't allowed, no, especially in the industry.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And you just didn't really see it, you know, especially
in entertainment as much. I mean you had, like, you know,
smatterings here in the air, but it's usually a cartoonist depiction,
so like of like, you know, a gay person, they're
always kind of like the clowdest person, especially during that time,
So you're like, it was all stereotypical. Yeah, you don't
want to be kitcheon holed into that just because.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, I tell people, you know, you're like, why didn't
you come out early? I was like, well, I was
never allowed to come out, Like I felt like the
world didn't want me to, so no, I stayed in
the closet.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
There's been a lot of pressure for you knowing that. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it was incredibly big.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And yeah, well that added a different layer to it
for sure. But in some ways it was I hate
to say easier, because you were, you know, in this
huge thing that was happening that you had an excuse.
You always had an excuse not to have a girlfriend
or not to you know, I don't you know. It's
oh too busy, Oh too busy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You were so busy you can kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, people would believe that, well, he's never in the
same town. Yeah, so you could just you could get
away with a lot easier if I would have gone
to college with my friends and I'm stuck at that
college every day and going to the same part. Then
you're like, well, I guess I'm supposed to date someone, right, Yeah,
now I got to pick up with this person. Yeah,
everyone's going to notice after a few months, right, right,
(08:24):
But now today it's nice. Kids can be themselves a
lot easier. Purple hair, Yeah, but you got purple hair. Yeah.
So as a kid, you began as a gymnast. You
ended up ranking fifteenth in the state of California when
you were just eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, what was that like a lot of pressure? Yeah,
I remember being in gymnastics to be perfect was the thing.
I mean, you're trying to get a perfect ten. We
have all these people judging you from the moment you
step on on the mat, like it's it's pretty I
used to like throw up before events or for meat
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meats and stuff because there's just so much pressure. That's
why I started dancing and singing because it was like,
finally I could just express myself without like somebody with
a scorecard judging you, judging you constantly. It was just
such a freeing experience for me. Yeah, I really loved it.
And then plus I had this advantage of like going
into commercials auditions or any type of audition throwing in
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some backflips and things.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like that, Oh that'll always stand out.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, And immediately I got like looked for a lot
of things because I could do stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's the special skills you you list on your resume
that most people don't actually have.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I remember, yeah, when I was like first acting, when
I first moved to LA, I just think, yeah, sure
I can do I'm going to question. I'm going to
question look for a job. And it's like, oh, I
don't the question.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Everyone everyone knows how to ride horses.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I can sit on a horse.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Give us a frosted tip on you know. Being a
gymnast at such a young age one thing that we
want to get our kids into. And they're almost two now,
I want to get them into gymnastics. I think it's
going to be so good for them. Don't do it, Yeah,
but just for movement, Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't want them to competitive. I get it because
my I had. My first cousin is was a huge
competitive gymnast. She was in the what was her now
was an Olympics like she was like and Alyssa Beckerman
and it basically they ruined her whole life.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
No, I agree, I don't think competitive had such She
developed the biggest eating disorder, had so many PTSD moments
from back then she I mean her body, I mean screws.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
In her ankles, screws on her shoulders, knees, and just
the trauma of the abuse. Basically she had to go
through all these years she put her body and her
mind through and then once you're done, you kind of
you peek out of it once you're once you hit
the Olympics. But you have to be so young basically
to hit it anyway, and then you don't just not
really many opportunities to go from there.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't wish that upon our kids, that's for sure.
I mean, if they want to get sure. But my
thing is like, how how young is too young to
start doing some gymnastic type stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Well, I started when I was like, I think five
years old or seven years old, and listen, it was
incredibly traumatizing when I think about it now. I had
a really strong or really aggressive coach. He's from China.
His name is Rocca, and he would literally push us
and you know, stand on our toes and push, like
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stand on top of us when we're in the splits
to get us all the way down, scream at us,
yell at us. So it was like a very I
didn't realize how traumatic it was at the time, but
I don't I don't necessarily recommend that for children to
do highly competitive sports, especially when they're competing on their own,
meaning like they're they're competing for themselves. They're in a team, right,
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but they want to win the best in the floor,
so the competing against all of their teammates. So it
makes you like kind of in my life, like a
very competitive person but not able to work well with teams.
So I think that it's better to put a child
in something where you're kind of like, Okay, you have
to work in the team. I've had to really learn
(12:04):
how to be collaborative with people, open my heart to people,
and like trust people. They're not my competitors that were
like working as a team together, undo all of that learning.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
How hard was it for you to join No Authority then,
because I mean, you're still.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I hated them. I hate those bitches. No, really, it
was very difficult. I'm sure very they I love Okay,
first of all, I love them so much. I'm going
to shout them out. Eric Tommy, I love you guys
very much. Danny Zavatski and and the one member you know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Do we not name him whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
We want to talk about him. But you know, we
worked really hard and I kind of crack the whip
because it is all that training, right, all of that
gymnastics and ballet and dance and everything. I would come
in and be like, hey, guys, we got to be better.
We got to rehearse more, tell.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
People all the time. Being in a boy band is
like training for the Olympics. Yeah, really, I mean it
needs to be like that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And I'm sure you had people well yeah, you included
and other people who really cared and you want to
be the best. Where I felt and they're gonna get
upset with me, But I felt like there was more
of an emphasis on being popular with my bandmates and partying.
How many pune with girls and drinking and things like that,
which I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
In you, which is typical teenager.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, I was always like, why are you partying? You're
not You're not at the level that you we need,
we need to be at this level and then you're
going to really know what a party is. Okay, I
want those kind of parties. I want the big orgies,
you know what I'm saying. I don't want with like celebrities,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Want the parties. I never got.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Illuminati parties. That's why I know. But I was like,
I don't want like this like low level thing. You know,
we got to work hard to achieve real part already.
Stat is like real things, you know. And I think
that they resent to me a little bit for that,
but they also loved me for it too, you know,
because I really.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Did how did you guys meet We.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Met an audition, okay, and this man named Richard Walters
put us together. And it's so funny that Richard Walters
is back in my life. He's coming to all of
my shows now. I performed the Viper Room, I performed recently,
the Whiskey of Go Go. He's like back in my
life and like really like loving my new vibe, my
new look, my new show. It's just funny, like it's
(14:30):
like come full circle. He's giving me advice and try
this maybe, and you know it's so crazy, but yeah,
we auditioned for him, and he put us together and
started getting like cool producers to work with us.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know what kind of producers did y'all start with?
Do you remember like the first songs that you started
recording our demos?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Vincent Brantley was our first man. Vincent Brandley, he'd done
a couple of he's got a couple of good hit songs.
But really our first real producer for the album was
Ronnie Jerkins.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh yeah, we know Rodney.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Do you know Ronnie? Nineteen year old? When we got
signed to Michael Jackson's label, Jerry Greenberg was like, oh,
you have to work with this guy, or maybe it
was maybe it was Richard Walters who brought him in.
I think it was Richard. A nineteen year old prodigy
named Ronnie Jerkins, and he did the whole album was
(15:24):
so awesome and very R and B. Yeah, pop R
and B so talk about abuse, I mean and trauma.
For me, I'm a pop singer. I grew up with Madonna,
you know, Prince and Michael and he gets in the
room and it's like they want so I had to
really step up my.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm Mary j Bly like all these well, I mean,
as a professional, what did you do knowing that you
had to go from this pop love to now, you know,
getting educated about R and B music? Did you just
dive into it? Did you do anything special?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I dived into it, of course, because I wanted the
lead parts. You know, I listened to a lot of
R and B at the time, and I love R
and B. I mean, TLC is one of my favorite
girl bands of all time. I can go on and on.
You know, Whitney. The Way to Excel soundtrack is like
(16:23):
something I listened to when I want to cry because
it has every single diva on the planet. Yeah, I
just dived into it, and I think at my heart,
I think I might be a soul singer at the
heart of who I am probably R and B. But
I don't like like to talk about that, or are
you do you know what I mean? I would like
(16:43):
to like to say that because it's such a big
honor too, you know, just sing like that, like it's
like like out of this world, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
A talent it is. So you signed with Michael Jackson's label.
Someone sent a demo tape to him. What was on
the tape? First off, do you remember what that demo was?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I'm being a song called I'm Going Crazy, So.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was it was an original. It wasn't just a cover.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, we didn't. We didn't do cover.
It's a popular I'm not gonna say cut father and
Joe Gosh. I can't even recall the names, but there
they were. They were prominent. They were prominent people.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Did you ever get to meet Michael Oh.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, oh yeah. He he invited us to Neverland Ranch
for the release of our our album, and he invited
like the radio station to come in, like people like
winners from on the radio station, so they would watch
us perform and do like five songs and we're at Neverland.
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We got to meet Michael.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
How was he involved with any of the producing the
records or telling you, guys, yeah, you need to do
this song? Like, how involved was he?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He was pretty involved. He's executive producer, so he's putting
the money out for it. I'm sure that's what executive
producers do. And and he did curate a lot of
I think he was the one who wanted to work
with Ronney and approved of that, and we would do
songs and sometimes it would be like, well, he's not
really feeling that, or he is feeling that, So he
had a little bit of a hand in it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That's great. Yeah, you know, we got to know Michael
a good bit and he you know what an influence
he had on pretty much every single artist you got.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To perform with him. Did Hello many people can say
that on the planet.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I mean, it's definitely a pinch me moment for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I remember that moment.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, just yeah, I'll someone will you know, tag me
in like a video or something of that and I'm like,
wait a minute, that did happen? Oh my god, to.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Whole performance with everybody involved, Yeah, that was incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What did the days, the early days look like for
the group, so you get together? How did y'all officially
get together? So you audition for your manager?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Was it like a long process or was it kind
of like, yeah, you five guys are great, let's do this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, it was weird because we got we got booked
right away, and our bandmates to Danny, Eric and well,
Danny and Eric and I used to compete with each
other in dance, so we kind of knew each other already,
so we were kind of friends already to begin with.
And at first we were supposed to be backup singers
for somebody else. His name was j D. He was like,
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you know, a good singer, and anyway, I came to
the studio and I would end up like doing some
of the leads, and I would piss totally piss him off.
And you know, I was supposed to be the dancer
who could kind of sing or whatever. But the but
the producers like realized that I was pretty fast on
so they had me do a lot of the vocals.
(19:50):
And so he gets jealous. It's a common theme. I swear,
It's like a I'm not trying to be like praise
myself or whatever. But these boys would get like the
lead boys would get really competitive with me and me
and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, gymnasts coming out, but they would be.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Like, I'm out. So Jadi was out. So we had
to find another guy, a rotating door. And then we
found another guy. His name is Josh. I'll give him okay, Josh.
He's actually a beautiful singer, I must say so. We
he when he came in the band. He had this
very R and B voice and I have a very
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pop voice. So I had to learn how to like
really like, you know, I better. If I want to
get those leads.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I have to blend in with it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Be better. Yeah, become a better singer. So I do
give him props for that, like made me want to
become a better singer. And I did do that. And
then he decided one moment that he wanted to go
solo during like one of the biggest shows. We're gonna
do a big show in Canada. And on the in
the actual you know, to get on the plane, we
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get the call he's not coming.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
As you're going to the airport.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
As we're going to the airport, like actually checking in
our bags. Josh is late because he's he's going solo,
like literally, and to do one of our biggest shows
that we've ever done. It was for White TV. I
don't know if you remember that, Yes, ye hye TV.
And we had like this big concert, like Y two
K type thing concert and this guy just decided.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why did he decide to leave?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Because he thought he was really great, so.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He just wanted to solo and just was over it.
And up to that point where y'all not getting along.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
No, I mean we weren't. I mean being in the
boy band was kind of miserable for me, but also
really exciting, right because you're accomplishing things. You're going on
tour with Britney Spears, you're doing all these great interviews,
you're traveling, you're a tour bus and everything. But for me,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I didn't feel like we always meshed well or it
got along well.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Some people just don't click, which I think. Did y'all
ever live together at the beginning of the group. Did
you ever live in the same house? No, okay, because
I think that's so important. We had to do that.
I live a bunch of you know, we lived together
for a year before we got a record deal, so
you knew by a month too if you liked the person.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You don't get me wrong, I love them. They love
me straight up. They know I love Danny Zabatski all
my heart, Eric, Tommy forever, Okay, Josh. I don't because
he he abandoned, he jumped ship when we needed him.
But don't get me wrong, they love me. I love them.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And it's like, as again, would you just need like
an apology?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I'm friends, I have not that. I love them, and
they they might have some ideas about me that they
might want to talk to me about, or they probably
they probably have talked to me about it. And one
of them, Tommy, has talked to me about feelings he's
had about me, some a few resentments. But Eric refuses.
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I've been like, Eric, why is Eric not allowed? He
has a podcast? They had a Podcy like, why have
you guys invited me on the show? I'd love to
be on and and He's like, well Eric doesn't want you. Yeah,
And I'm like, what the hell what did I do
to Eric? Stretch?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
We call Eric up right now, Yes, we have on
the phone right now. Eric.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
He comes to the door right now. You know what,
if he did come in the door, we would like
love each other and have the biggest hug in the world.
They just know him a bitch. I can't be a bitch.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You could be honest about that.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I am. I can be I cracked that way.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I mean, there's a lot of personalities class You may
you can still love someone and not like even with
you guys, and then saying personalities class a lot best friends,
all of you talk every single day.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But like I always say, you love these guys, you
hate these guys. Every emotion comes out.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
People don't understand.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's family, literally family.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's with anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
If you're around someone, no matter what, whether you're married
or your roommates.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're always gonna start looking at the negative things.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Of course, little things will bother you, and they build up,
and so you want to murder the.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, you start harping on the two negative things against
the five hundred amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's like being in a relation. It's the same as
it's like being in a relationship with somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Sometimes you know, oh, really, y'all got fisticuffs.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
We have fisticuffs. Have you guys ever have fisticuffs. Oh yeah,
oh we have fisticuffs.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Can we talk?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I mean, can we talk?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mean for it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There was one time when Josh he We're at Tommy
Motola's office in Sony in New York. I'll never forget this.
We're gonna go meet Tommy. Tommy wants to meet us.
We're in the waiting room, like like here, you know,
we're in the waiting room and he decides to like
lose his ship about something. I don't know what it was,
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and he literally like punched, like punched me. It was crazy,
And I looked at him. I was like, I was
so mad.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was so curious.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It was something something happened, but you put his hands
on me at Tommy Mottola's office and then they got
the call. They're like, Tommy doesn't want to see you
guys anymore because he saw, you know, he could see
that we were like fighting.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, that'd be hard to bank.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Like got so mad because I wanted to work with
Tommy Mottola.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
So he turned us down, Okay, But I was.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Like and we and we went up into the hotel
room afterward, and I knocked on his door and I'm like,
let's go like literally, I walked in this close to him.
He starts crying because he broke up with his girlfriend
with some bullshit, and I didn't care. That's me. I
don't care about your feelings. I don't care about any
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of that. Like, we had a job to do. If
you want to fight right now, let's fight right now.
I'm ready to go. And he didn't do it. But
the thing is, like, I can't believe I'm talking about this.
I probably have to see a therapist about all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But we all need to see you really, I mean,
I have to go through this.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
But yeah, it was just a real moment. And I
looked into his eyes and I saw the vulnerability there.
But I didn't care. I don't we have. When you're
trying to succeed, your emotions have to like take a
way way back seat, apartmentalized. It was so unprofessional, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, some people that are that emotional, they just can't
you know, they don't understand that at all.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Well for artists.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I mean, uh, well, now you switched to Maverick,
which is Madonna's record label. So you go from Michael
Jackson's label to Madonna's label. Why the switch?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Why or how or both both. Yeah, it's a pretty
big deal. The why was at the time, Sony, you know,
it's called being shelved, right, they shelved our record, Yes,
and they were like, oh, we have to put Mandy's out,
we have to put this record out, we have to
put this record out before you guys. And apparently Madonna's
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record label found out that that was happening, and they're like, okay,
well we'll buy you out of that contract and put
you onto our label and then put you on toward
Britney Spears at the same time, you know, on top
of it. And we were like and when I got
that call, I think it was a publicist who called me,
is that you know, Madonna is considering buying you guys
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out and signing her to the I was like, what
because that's my hero.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh I can I can imagine that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I mean, yeah, Michael is like definitely something really honor
and everything. But Madonna was like a big, really big deal.
And then yeah, we went, you know, went to the
Maverick offices. We met with Guy Siri and the president
of the label and they were just so excited.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, that's awesome. So you mentioned you went onto a
Britney Spears. You've also been on to A ninety degrees
Destiny's Child Aaron Carter, which was your favorite tour?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
My favorite tour, well, of course Brittany, because there's another
one that I really love, love Brittany. Literally, I literally
had my tour bus. I had pictures of Brittany, you know,
against like the little bunk Brittany, photos of her, super
crush on her, so pretty and such a great dancer
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and performer. Yeah, it was definitely Brittany.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, she's a sweetheart. So this was the end of
the nineties in the beginning of the two thousands. Let's
talk fashion a little bit, because you are a fashionable man.
You we were not at all in our group. I
mean well, according to twenty twenty three, we were fashionable.
Apparently all those.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Things time no listen fun of us. You guys look ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes, oh my gosh, everyone made fun of what we wore.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, but there were like the older people making fun
of it, or maybe we were just so it was
like the rivers of.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Maybe we were, because like Abercamie Fitch has come back
out and all my stuff is that nineties look, and
I'm like vibe, that's that's what we would wear. Yeah,
and I always thought it was horrendous.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well yeah it was a little cookie, but that's but
you were like pop stars at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So with you guys, who was the more fashionable one
who got to decide, Okay, this is what our look's
going to be. Let's I could have answered that for you.
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I just met you.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But I have a feeling you would not let any
of the other guys lead the look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Were you happy with the looks?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Were you happy with the image that y'all had?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
When we first started, it was all about like, oh, individuality,
We're doing this kind of spice girl thing where it's
like you're this thing, you're that thing. And and so
Danny had like the skater vibe, which is totally him,
which is great, and then you know, Eric had his vibe,
and then I had my vibe. But as things kind
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of progressed and that one person I talked about like left,
I started to take a little bit more of the
leading role and like kind of like maybe we should
have like a vibe that we just kind of shared
with each other. And and then we started kind of
dressing a little more similarly nice.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
What would you say your fashion was back then, Like,
is there a style you were going for?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I'm like you, I think it was horrible. I think
you didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Have to work with back in the late nineties. Okay,
it was just about flashy.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It was about kind of like what you have like now,
like kind of like we wanted things like sparkle. We
want to I remember what do you call it when
you like rhinestones?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, dazzling everything machine And I'm literally wearing a dazzled
shirt right now.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, the dazzle combining like like hard rock things like
ironic hard rock t shirts.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Planet Hollywood hard rock t shirts.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, like like things that you wouldn't probably not be
listening to hard rock.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Not the hotel.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think it was like because the hard rock cafe
shirts were so huge in the nineties, like they were
opening up one in every city around the world.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
It's just nineties.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, but that was the look.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It was cute. Yeah, that was the lookies. Nineties two
thousands was just douche like that was that was the style.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Now it's super hot.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Uh, Now you and I have similar you know, experiences
being closeted while performing in a boy band and and
a time where it just wasn't accepted. What was your
experience like and what was what's your advice that the
label was giving you. Were you ever told like let's
not talk about our sex life at all or that
that just doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, it doesn't exist. We were told to. We had
to go through media training. Yeah, so basically the things
that we should could talk or they want us to
talk about and not talk about. And I just one time,
Oh gosh, am I going to talk about this on
gues you are all right? We did this show in
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Jersey and it was a big show and I was
so excited and the label was there, Maverick was there,
and I wore this really cool I thought it was
really cool. It was like a kind of Elvis inspired
black jumpsuit and it was like like like leather but
pleather and kind of shined and and I just felt
so hot in this thing. It's like so cool, and
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I'm dancing around. I have it like halfway or halfway undone.
I'm dancing the girls, going crazy everything, And then I
got a call from management and then like Ricky, you know,
we have to have a talk with you. The label
is concerned that you are coming across as two feminine,
and it broke my heart. I was like, of all
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the people that I want to upset. Yeah, yeah, of
all the people that I want to offend or whatever,
the label has a problem.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Which now makes you even deeper into that closet.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, well, it just makes me feel so ashamed. And
then there was another moment when we were having a
press conference and it was it was a show for
all for school kids, like junior high I think justin
Timberlake was actually there like doing like it's some sort
of like a speech or whatever, and there were like
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thousands of kids from all over the country coming in
junior high high school kids, and I was nervous. I
was so nervous because I didn't go to high school
and all this stuff. So I'm like, well, all these
school shows we did, I was always like, Oh my gosh,
how is this going to go?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
We did this whole thing, and then we had like
a media event after where like this the school knew
newspaper people would come and like all the interview us
and one of the girls was like, Ricky, you know,
you walk a certain way and you talk a certain way.
Are you gay? Straight up?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You were outed by the kid's newspaper.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's where all the hard journalists are Turkey.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Really it was.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I mean, whatever got you, she got me this girl.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
And the Ronny thing is I had a girlfriend at
the time and I wasn't like out like that or whatever.
And I was like, all the people, I mean, Eric
is actually gay. Why don't you ask him that question?
Why are you asking me?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Was Eric out at that time or you just you
knew he was?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
He was like, I don't really care if they know
or if they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's just so he was out to you guys.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
He was out to me and to us.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, at least he had someone. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I did, yeah, because when Lance was in the group,
nobody didn't none of anyone.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Until he bisexual boys, and that didn't you know in
the groups. I wish somebody I know honestly, that's not
what I heard.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But oh real, we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Mickey Mouse Club era. But we'll talk that about privately. Privately.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, one, I could never look at them in that way,
so like I've you know, but I feel like I
would know that justin, Oh god, justin, Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I did that, especially if like you had the first
look girls to Brahman here. Yeah, I was into that.
He was cute. But where were we I digress.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Trauma when we're talking about how you know, statistically in groups,
you know, there should be a gay one or at
least a bisexual one, and there's many that don't have any.
But again, who knows, We don't know, there's true story,
they're deep down nobody really anyone.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to be two percent by like I'm
two percent straight?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I would say I'm maybe one
percent straight because I did date girls.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, I was a girls.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, okay, then I might be five percent then okay, yeah,
because I had fun and I still do.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I no, I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't my thing.
We haven't had fun like that alone. No, No, it's
been a while, been a while, all right. So two
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thousand and one, unfortunately no authority disbands. Uh so what
ultimately led to this decision? So Joshua was out for
the Canadian show. Do y'all y'all just went as a
four for a while or did y'all want to replace?
We always had four only Oh shoot, okay, three your
ad to the fourth?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, we had to find a new member. And that's
when Tommy came in. And he was such a breath
of fresh air because he was so excited. He wasn't
jaded at all. He was a team player and so
we got along very well and we just started collaborating
with each other. And because he was cool with me,
the two other boys used to kind of do whatever
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that other leading person wanted. I'm sorry, guys, it was
like basically whatever he wanted. They kind of would like this.
And if I said left, they were like, oh, we're
gonna go we want to go right. So I would
literally do the opposite. I'm say, okay, I want to
go right, and they do, No, We're going left, and like,
that's what I want. I'd have to play games like
that with these guys, so many mental games. But this
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guy came in, Tommy, and he didn't play any games
with me. He was just like, I love this, and
I went out fun and let's let's do this. And
so the whole vibe of the band changed and it
became more of a fun experience for all of us.
And that's when we had our biggest success we had
Can I Get Your Number on the radio and all
of that. So that was the most fun I had
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was with that before.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and I mean it's going great, Like you said,
can I Get Your Number? Huge hit. What made y'all
decide not to do music anymore?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Well, we were going to do another album with the
label with Maverick. There was that that phone call that said,
you know, basically that Richard wants to have his producers
to do the record, not the producers that Maverick wanted
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us to work with. And so apparently there's like a
big blow up. I got the call, you know, A
and R guy yelling with Richard and Richard yelling, and
basically I knew, oh god, I think that's the end.
Oh wow, because it's this big clash ensure enough, they
were like, yeah, we're gonna they dropped us from the label.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well that sucks that. It all kind of landed on
your management, you know, to make that decision. Really was
there no going straight to the labor and like, okay,
let's talk about this, let's let's figure this producer out.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Well yeah, but they were he was our you had
like a contract with him.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So basically he was your Lou Proman. But did he
loose Proman yet? Did you did you actually get a
good deal?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I wish you would have lo proman me.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Wait, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (39:27):
God, he made you guys start.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, he made you guys super like. You guys
had maximum talent, I mean, no doubt. But I'm saying, like,
without that money, without that, I mean, I know, it's
a really horrible contract. Oh yeah, I'm sure, and I'm
sure he puts you through a lot. But but our
guy put us through, sorry, put us through what he
put us through, and didn't necessarily accomplish.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
What the goal.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Goal ultimate was to have a hit record, And so
I would have preferred that we worked with Maverick and
let them have a shot at well.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Of course, Well it's a different time. I mean, if
you think two thousand and one, that was you know,
nine to eleven happens, and I think that kills pop
music for a long time, Like it just entertainment just
fizzled for a bit, right there. It killed that. So
you're you're right at that, You're right at the tail
end of the boy band era kind of you know,
fizzling out a little bit, which again nine eleven kind
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of put the nail in that coffin. So, yeah, you're
at a situation where you're like, well, crap, are we
too late? And I wonder if that was the label,
being like, yeah, we're not even gonna bet on this anymore.
We've moved on to something different, different genres are taken over.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Well, they didn't mention any of that. They just mentioned yeah,
they of course not, But they did mention the clash.
I mean I heard about the Big clash and it
was really difficult for me, so crazy difficult because I
had to go back to my girlfriend and I were
living in a certain place in sau City. Then we
had to we to go back my parents. And I
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just felt like, oh my god, after living off this
like crazy high and traveling and everything, and coming back
to Upland and living with my girlfriend in Upland.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
With my parents, I was just like whoa, Yeah, how
was that transition?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Then? Yeah? Then how do you transition then into yours? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Like what does what does life look like now? Like
you're back in Upland, you're living with a girlfriend, Like what,
like where where do you think you're going from there?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I was depressed.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, of course, I feel like anyone would be depressed.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, But I started, I started picking up pro tools,
started producing my own music and you know, playing the
guitar and and started creating just music that was kind
of like my way of coping with that. And I
had like other people that I would meet along the way,
like a dance classes. I met a boy band that
wanted to produce them to be produced, a Latino boy band,
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and so it was so hot even thinking about them.
Now a type, many types. I have many types. This
is one of them. And he came over and yeah,
I produced them, and and I just started producing more
and writing and trying to find my sound and and
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I went through a lot of you know, reinventions because
people in the industry are like, well, you should do this,
and you should you should do rock and were dickies
and you straight and make sure that people know that
they have a chance with you. Even now, everybody's like
you should project yourself a certain way, so you think
women have a chance. But the ironic thing is they
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do have a chance. It's just I'm a little more
comfortable with who how I am. Anyway, I like this more.
But bottom line, It was difficult, but I did, you know,
learn I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Now, where did Ricky Rebel come from?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Ricky Rebel? One day I was like, Okay, I'm going
to create a persona and I'm gonna just open up
this dictionary and the name's gonna pop out. And I
literally opened up the dictionary and it was like, ur
is a rebel. I was like, Oh, that's so my personality.
I'm quite rebellious. When the industry told me that you
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couldn't be gay or whatever, I said, no, I'm gonna
be who I am. I'm going to be whoever. I
am going to write a song. I wrote a song
about it called Boys and Sometimes Girls and at a
time when it wasn't right to do that, and I'm
gonna go with who I am. I'm going to rebel
against an industry that tells me that I can never
succeed being open like that. And I decided to do that.
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And that was like my biggest song so far as
it was a Billboard top forty record, and I'm really
proud of that because it was something that I produced
with my own hands. I didn't have Ronnie do it.
I didn't have some other you know what I mean.
It's something that I manufactured and made and I believed
in and people have fun when they hear it, they smile,
and so I'm proud of that record.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I think a lot of people would say, you're rebellious
by supporting our former president, which is a big news
that you would. You do the Grammys and you do
a very big fashion statement. Was that the one where
you bent over and your cheek said impeach this?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yes, I did that.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Okay, when you're going through your mind like okay, what
am I to wear it to the Grammys right now,
I'm going to make a statement, I am going to
take my butt cheeks out and write impeach this?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Was that just the thought process? Well?
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah, I mean I wanted to do something that was
funny because I felt like people were trying to be
too serious about all of this stuff, which now they're
on maximum seriousness when it comes to politics, which I
hate that word.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
By the way, I know, and we don't tell politics
on the show.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Thank you so much, because I'm I've I denounced politics
now because I did that, and I realize that it's
very divisive.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Oh my gosh, You're never gonna win anyone.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Over anywhere you go, you don't win, and it's like,
that's not who I am.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Like, But personally, are you still political in your own
personal life? You still believe in like the conservative values
and in all that part, I.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Mean there are things that I disagree with, of course,
and I have I think they're going too far a
lot of times.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
And why do you think as a gay man people,
as a man, why do you think it's so controversial
to support someone like our former president? Oh my god,
they think it's so controversial.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I got death threats. Oh my god, it was. It
was very traumatizing for me to be because that that's
the most quote famous I've ever been, was when I
went to the Grammys and I wore that suit and
there were people yelling out the paparazzi, I hope your
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babies die. He hates your kind things like that. Gosh,
I don't even know. I don't even know what to
say about the whole thing that The bottom line is, yes,
I do think the way that I think. But at
the same time, I know in my heart that I'm
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here to make people happy through music, art, dance, and
fashion and things that I kind of view as superficial,
but in reality they're not. Art is a very important
thing for society.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
And so many people are trying to take art away,
which just because and I understand why a lot some
people have the reasoning to take art away because it
expands people's minds. It makes you see other sides of situations.
So taking arts out of schools, I mean, just limiting
what books we can put in libraries. What do you
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think about all this art just being destroyed right now?
Speaker 4 (46:50):
That's a no no for me. Free speech is a
very important thing to me, and it goes both ways
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, I feel like if you're into if that's what
you support, then and you support it. You can't pick
and choose free speeds, right.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
It has to be things that you're uncomfortable with on
both sides. And that's why when when people try to
stop that's what At the time, I felt like my
voice was being silenced and I kind of felt like
I was back in the closet, you know, And I
felt like like in the boy band, when I couldn't
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say who I really was. I felt like another moment
like this, I'm like I just had a fight to
like be who I really am, you know, in this degree,
and now I have to do it again or I
felt like I need to do it again, but in
reality you don't. This is like, this is like wisdom
coming from after going through the fire. The wisdom, the
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wisdom is from all of this is that you don't
have to have an opinion. No, you could be a
stoic and you don't. I don't have to have an
opinion on that. I don't have to indulge in this.
I don't have to talk about it. I don't have
to be a part of it. And I want to
talk about my art now. And so I think that
I went really far. Well, people think I'm far right,
(48:12):
but I'm really not. I'm like center right. But but
to people who are center right, it's like the to
somebody who's like far left, or they might they they're
going to say.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
I think the majority of us are center.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
You know, of course, now I mean in terms of
politics more divide as ever.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
So what I did was I you know, I said
what I said, I did what I did. I believed,
you know, I didn't like the delivery. I'll say this,
I don't like a lot of the way I did
said certain things or did certain things and alienated my audience.
That's not cool and that's not something I want to do.
But I have fun, I mean writing and peach this
(48:55):
and you know, peach my ass, like you know, like
this is so stupid. It's just too much fighting. It
was a total moment. I flipped that chapter way over
and now I'm like in this really cool space where
I'm like, Okay, I did something that way. Now I
want to show you that I'm actually very liberal. I'm
actually very like especially when it comes to like who
(49:16):
you choose to love and and expression of who you
are and be yourself. I am all about that. And
so I wrote a song called Booty Eater. I love
how you use your art. I mean really, Okay, that
upset that really upsets that whatever that you know, that
(49:37):
audience that you know, they're like, you're a trader, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I mean, it don't matter what. Even on this podcast
me saying the word ship is there's going to be
probably a thousand people out there and be like, no, you.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Know, they're over you. It's for that, but it's we're humans,
you know, And I don't want I wanted to show
people that look I'm also very yeah, you know, expressive
in a lot of ways and very liberal. So this
is part of me too.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, well you're not in a box.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah. All right.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Before we let you go, we have some fan questions
for you. This one is Party Gopez. What's your favorite
No Authority memory? The plane ride to Canada.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
My favorite memory was being on tour, on a tour bus.
I'll never forget. We're about to perform in front of
thousands of people with Britney spears. And there was this magazine,
Billboard magazine, And I opened the Billboard magazine and there
was a big write up of No Authority and it
said that we were the second most added record in
(50:42):
the country behind Janet Jackson. So like jan Jackson and
then No Authority, that's a framer. It was a framer moment.
It's like, here i am on a tour bus with
all these people and I'm about to perform, and here
it is that we made this record and you know,
the second most added behind Janet.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
That was my That's great. Aaron Agosta would like to
know would there be a possible No Authority reunion? And
before you answer this, we do make miracles happen. On
this show. We have put bands together. Really, we have
fixed relationships. So I'm just saying we probably could get
the band back together and you and Josh back as
(51:18):
best friends. I'm just just put that out there. But
would there ever be a possibility without the help of
frosted Tips.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Yes, I've told them. I told the boys, I'm like,
whenever you're ready, like, but they all have to be
on board, not just like.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Two, well, yeah, you had to put on the work.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
All three, yeah, all three.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah, I want the whole thing. They all have to
want it. But Danny will never ever ever, He's.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Why do you think Danny, because he's like in dad life.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
He's in daddy. He's such a daddy being so accused.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I get it though, Like with these kids, I'm so
glad that I have this radio show because I wouldn't
have been able to do the schedule I did with
these kids, Like I wouldn't be able to be on
a plane four times a week. I would be able
to do this, you know, film over here. I'm so
happy that I was able to have this little break
with these kids.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
A couple of years.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, the first couple. Now it's it'll go a little
easier now that they get in school and all that,
then I can, you know, do the things I used
to do. But yeah, with newborns, it's it's hard. It's
hard to go back to work a lot because you
don't want to go back to work. I just want
to stay here with these kids.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
You love them.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
The best.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Do you ever want to have kids?
Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, I have two kids now, No you do not.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, no, I didn't know you had kids.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
I went of rag dogs.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I was about to say I knew it, like I missed.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Oh man, coons are the best cats.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
My husband loves the macoon.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, he's definitely allergic to cats. But if I had
a cat, it would.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Get a main coon.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, but the biggest one I could find. Oh yeah,
big hair that like the g one.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
It's a majestic animal.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
And they just look scary in the face sometimes, like
are you gonna rip my face off?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
They have this kind of tighter thing. Love it, love it, babe.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
You need to get a shot. We need to get
cat and get you a shot. Okay, all right, they
make cat yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Okay. Actually, and what music are.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
You listening to right now? Can you give us some suggestions,
even if it's older music now whatever, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Anybody you're liking.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
I just stick with the classics, Like I love the Weekend.
I like the cloud you did with Madonna. I thought
that was pretty cool. Yeah, just the Weekend Right now,
I'm pretty obsessed with I'm writing my own record right now.
It's kind of it's like a sex album. It's called
Fantasy Control. So when will we hear that it's coming out,
(53:52):
like by the end of the month. It's the new single.
It's kind of depeche Mode rock.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
The whole record is just exploring, like I'm doing my
sex album, like getting it out of the way, Like
I promise mom, once I get this out, I can
make like about nicorns your pop music forever and ever
and ever to the day I die.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
All right, thank you so much for being on the show.
Rick It was so great to get to know you.
How can everyone stay in touch with you out there?
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Everybody you can find me Ricky rebbelrocks dot com and
I'm Ricky Rubbel Rocks on all the platforms waat rocks.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
God.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
That's right, all right, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Thank you for having me. That's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, I mean that is all the show we have
I think, so Turkey, Thank you so much for being
here as always, and everyone be good to each other
out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of those animals,
and remember stay frosted. Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us
on Instagram at Frosted Tips with Lance and Michael Turchinart
(54:51):
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Speaker 3 (54:54):
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This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,
my little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my lovely, gorgeous,
very very intelligent husband.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Michael Turkey Tchurchen?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't trust him.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So there's this watch I've been really looking at. Yeah,
and Christmas is just right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, we'll just give me your credit card. I'll buy
it for you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I mean to me, Christmas is right around the corner.
This is this is the start of my favorite season.
I'm sorry. If you go to CVS, what are you
going to see? Halloween stuff?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That's Christmas?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But that's the holiday season starting. Okay, that's just the
lead up, just the lead up. We got Thanksgiving it
between that, but it ultimately leads here.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We just enjoy summer while we're in it. You're bare
leading exactly. So why are you throwing it away?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
For want pumpkins?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, the man wants his pumpkins.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right. So Halloween right around the corner, which is
also another major holiday. Our kid's birthday Friday the thirteenth
this year.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We got to do a really scary party, but like
kid friendly scary.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean two year scary.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah I can.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I can work with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, so I'm excited. Once the stores have any kind
of Halloween candy going up, it's it's it's time, it's time.
So we're gonna start decorating next week. God, when we
were back from Labor Day. Yes, happy Labor Day weekend everyone,
we are heading to Mexican code for friends kind of
(01:35):
slash engagement parties.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is that what this is?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I mean, I don't know what it is. It's just
Labor Day weekend stuff, but they are engaged, So I
think we're going to make that the celebration. And I'm
sure there's a birthday of someone staying at the house.
I'm sure we're going to say it's born sometime, but
really it's just for us to go get a little
sun for the first time. Yeah. Man, very excited, very excited.
(01:59):
So everyone have a very safe, safe, safe Labor Day weekend.
And uh and back to work everyone. I mean, poor kids,
I've been in school for a month already. Oh yeah yeah,
but I would get out end of May sometimes like
May eighteenth, yes, and then we wouldn't get to go
to school until right after Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It was like September.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
All right, So, uh, let's get to this interview right now.
I'm excited. It's Ricky Agandinez is going to be on
the show. No authority. You might remember them from the nineties.
He has gone solo. He has made a name for
himself as Ricky Rebel. All right, and yeah, there's I
mean that he is a direct charge.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
As a character.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And he made you know, recent headlines which we're not
gonna talk about nap, but we're gonna dive into it
at some point in this interview.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Them people make it headlines.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna learn some interesting stuff about
this guys.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Wait, all right, well, when we come back, we're gonna
have the one and only Ricky Rebel. Just getting this
Ricky Rebel, Welcome back to Frosted Tips. All right, guys,
(03:09):
he's here. Ricky, known by a stage named Ricky Rebel,
is an American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician, recording artist from Upland, California.
He began training as a gymnast at the age of
seven and ranked fifteen in the state of California at
the age of eleven. Rebel began training in classical, ballet
and jazz dance styles. Around the age of eleven, he
immediately entered dance competitions at the regional and national level,
(03:31):
which I think he met his voice from No Authority
at We're going to get to that. After some years
of competed competitive dancing, Rebel began acting before the music
was like Annie Oliver Phantom. In ninety six, Rebel started
working with the band No Authority as their lead vocalist.
No Authority was discovered by an A and R represented
from Sony Records, and was signed to Michael Jackson's label
(03:52):
MJJ Music, a custom label at Sony Ricky Rebel. Welcome
to frosted Tips. Wow, was that all correct?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That correct? Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That was perfect?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How much dancing do you do these days? Because I
mean that's a crazy background.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That was dizzy to hear that. Yeah, it made me
have all these memories.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Do your knees hurt just listen?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, yes, especially the freaking right knee, right or right?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's my leftnee.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Are you a lefty?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah? It's everything on my left side, my left knee
and my left my bag.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
For me, it's the right everything on the right. The
right hand is that?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Are you right handed? Left handed?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm right handed?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
See I am too.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You got to figure this out, Turkey. Yeah, I'll get
down to it, alright, You get down that Google. All right,
all right, Ricky, let's take it from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
All right, that's a good place.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's always a good Upland, California. You were born, right,
What was it like growing up in that town? And
did you always know that you loved entertainment? Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, it was a small town. I great, it was great,
you know, the kind of thing. Basically, I I knew
at a young age what I wanted to be and
I wanted to I saw Madonna perform. She did like
a virgin, and I was like, oh, shoot.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's like that's what I need.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, I need that in my life. And my parents
are very supportive of me, and so they put me
into classes and I started dancing and doing gymnastics and
and things kind of just happened from there.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah. Was it easy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You know, as a boy growing up, especially in our generation,
dancing is hard because you're gonna get bullied a lot
by some people.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was lucky in my school that it was all
about the arts and entertainment, so I didn't have to
go through that. But did you have to deal with
that type of situation with like, oh, boys don't dance?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Oh yeah, at the beginning of my life. Yeah, I'm
sure it's been that way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And you have you always known you were gay at
a little No?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, really, no, I'm technically by I'm like, I call
myself two percent bisexual.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I said straight, I said straight by me so much
you wish what you were was bisexual?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I think, oh, yeah, it is. It is. It's really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Just to be able to, you know, love and be
attracted to so many.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
People when you have to try it sometime.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean, trust me, I tried it for sure. Like
I said, our generation kind of had to go through that.
But you know it was I forced myself, so you
know it wasn't it wasn't pleasant for me.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, that's what made it so difficult for me to
come out because to my parents, because I didn't really
know exactly what was true or false, because I did,
like I do like girls, or I was in relationship
with women at the time, so I was like, well,
I don't really know what's true yet. I was attracted
to the girls and wanted to kiss the girls, hold
their hands, and the thought of being with the guy
was kind of gross to me at the time growing up.
(06:50):
But I think a lot of a lot of that
too might have come from systemic.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You know, from what the universe is telling you.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, especially the nineties. Growing up in the eighties and nineties,
it just wasn't it wasn't allowed, no, especially in the industry.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And you just didn't really see it, you know, especially
in entertainment as much. I mean you had, like, you know,
smatterings here in the air, but it's usually a cartoonist depiction,
so like of like, you know, a gay person, they're
always kind of like the clowdest person, especially during that time,
So you're like, it was all stereotypical. Yeah, you don't
want to be kitcheon holed into that just because.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, I tell people, you know, you're like, why didn't
you come out early? I was like, well, I was
never allowed to come out, Like I felt like the
world didn't want me to, so no, I stayed in
the closet.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
There's been a lot of pressure for you knowing that. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it was incredibly big.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And yeah, well that added a different layer to it
for sure. But in some ways it was I hate
to say easier, because you were, you know, in this
huge thing that was happening that you had an excuse.
You always had an excuse not to have a girlfriend
or not to you know, I don't you know. It's
oh too busy, Oh too busy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You were so busy you can kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, people would believe that, well, he's never in the
same town. Yeah, so you could just you could get
away with a lot easier if I would have gone
to college with my friends and I'm stuck at that
college every day and going to the same part. Then
you're like, well, I guess I'm supposed to date someone, right, Yeah,
now I got to pick up with this person. Yeah,
everyone's going to notice after a few months, right, right,
(08:24):
But now today it's nice. Kids can be themselves a
lot easier. Purple hair, Yeah, but you got purple hair. Yeah.
So as a kid, you began as a gymnast. You
ended up ranking fifteenth in the state of California when
you were just eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, what was that like a lot of pressure? Yeah,
I remember being in gymnastics to be perfect was the thing.
I mean, you're trying to get a perfect ten. We
have all these people judging you from the moment you
step on on the mat, like it's it's pretty I
used to like throw up before events or for meat
(09:02):
meats and stuff because there's just so much pressure. That's
why I started dancing and singing because it was like,
finally I could just express myself without like somebody with
a scorecard judging you, judging you constantly. It was just
such a freeing experience for me. Yeah, I really loved it.
And then plus I had this advantage of like going
into commercials auditions or any type of audition throwing in
(09:24):
some backflips and things.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like that, Oh that'll always stand out.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, And immediately I got like looked for a lot
of things because I could do stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's the special skills you you list on your resume
that most people don't actually have.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I remember, yeah, when I was like first acting, when
I first moved to LA, I just think, yeah, sure
I can do I'm going to question. I'm going to
question look for a job. And it's like, oh, I
don't the question.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Everyone everyone knows how to ride horses.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I can sit on a horse.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Give us a frosted tip on you know. Being a
gymnast at such a young age one thing that we
want to get our kids into. And they're almost two now,
I want to get them into gymnastics. I think it's
going to be so good for them. Don't do it, Yeah,
but just for movement, Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't want them to competitive. I get it because
my I had. My first cousin is was a huge
competitive gymnast. She was in the what was her now
was an Olympics like she was like and Alyssa Beckerman
and it basically they ruined her whole life.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
No, I agree, I don't think competitive had such She
developed the biggest eating disorder, had so many PTSD moments
from back then she I mean her body, I mean screws.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
In her ankles, screws on her shoulders, knees, and just
the trauma of the abuse. Basically she had to go
through all these years she put her body and her
mind through and then once you're done, you kind of
you peek out of it once you're once you hit
the Olympics. But you have to be so young basically
to hit it anyway, and then you don't just not
really many opportunities to go from there.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't wish that upon our kids, that's for sure.
I mean, if they want to get sure. But my
thing is like, how how young is too young to
start doing some gymnastic type stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Well, I started when I was like, I think five
years old or seven years old, and listen, it was
incredibly traumatizing when I think about it now. I had
a really strong or really aggressive coach. He's from China.
His name is Rocca, and he would literally push us
and you know, stand on our toes and push, like
(11:23):
stand on top of us when we're in the splits
to get us all the way down, scream at us,
yell at us. So it was like a very I
didn't realize how traumatic it was at the time, but
I don't I don't necessarily recommend that for children to
do highly competitive sports, especially when they're competing on their own,
meaning like they're they're competing for themselves. They're in a team, right,
(11:43):
but they want to win the best in the floor,
so the competing against all of their teammates. So it
makes you like kind of in my life, like a
very competitive person but not able to work well with teams.
So I think that it's better to put a child
in something where you're kind of like, Okay, you have
to work in the team. I've had to really learn
(12:04):
how to be collaborative with people, open my heart to people,
and like trust people. They're not my competitors that were
like working as a team together, undo all of that learning.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
How hard was it for you to join No Authority then,
because I mean, you're still.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I hated them. I hate those bitches. No, really, it
was very difficult. I'm sure very they I love Okay,
first of all, I love them so much. I'm going
to shout them out. Eric Tommy, I love you guys
very much. Danny Zavatski and and the one member you know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Do we not name him whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
We want to talk about him. But you know, we
worked really hard and I kind of crack the whip
because it is all that training, right, all of that
gymnastics and ballet and dance and everything. I would come
in and be like, hey, guys, we got to be better.
We got to rehearse more, tell.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
People all the time. Being in a boy band is
like training for the Olympics. Yeah, really, I mean it
needs to be like that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And I'm sure you had people well yeah, you included
and other people who really cared and you want to
be the best. Where I felt and they're gonna get
upset with me, But I felt like there was more
of an emphasis on being popular with my bandmates and partying.
How many pune with girls and drinking and things like that,
which I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
In you, which is typical teenager.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, I was always like, why are you partying? You're
not You're not at the level that you we need,
we need to be at this level and then you're
going to really know what a party is. Okay, I
want those kind of parties. I want the big orgies,
you know what I'm saying. I don't want with like celebrities,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Want the parties. I never got.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Illuminati parties. That's why I know. But I was like,
I don't want like this like low level thing. You know,
we got to work hard to achieve real part already.
Stat is like real things, you know. And I think
that they resent to me a little bit for that,
but they also loved me for it too, you know,
because I really.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Did how did you guys meet We.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Met an audition, okay, and this man named Richard Walters
put us together. And it's so funny that Richard Walters
is back in my life. He's coming to all of
my shows now. I performed the Viper Room, I performed recently,
the Whiskey of Go Go. He's like back in my
life and like really like loving my new vibe, my
new look, my new show. It's just funny, like it's
(14:30):
like come full circle. He's giving me advice and try
this maybe, and you know it's so crazy, but yeah,
we auditioned for him, and he put us together and
started getting like cool producers to work with us.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know what kind of producers did y'all start with?
Do you remember like the first songs that you started
recording our demos?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Vincent Brantley was our first man. Vincent Brandley, he'd done
a couple of he's got a couple of good hit songs.
But really our first real producer for the album was
Ronnie Jerkins.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh yeah, we know Rodney.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Do you know Ronnie? Nineteen year old? When we got
signed to Michael Jackson's label, Jerry Greenberg was like, oh,
you have to work with this guy, or maybe it
was maybe it was Richard Walters who brought him in.
I think it was Richard. A nineteen year old prodigy
named Ronnie Jerkins, and he did the whole album was
(15:24):
so awesome and very R and B. Yeah, pop R
and B so talk about abuse, I mean and trauma.
For me, I'm a pop singer. I grew up with Madonna,
you know, Prince and Michael and he gets in the
room and it's like they want so I had to
really step up my.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm Mary j Bly like all these well, I mean,
as a professional, what did you do knowing that you
had to go from this pop love to now, you know,
getting educated about R and B music? Did you just
dive into it? Did you do anything special?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I dived into it, of course, because I wanted the
lead parts. You know, I listened to a lot of
R and B at the time, and I love R
and B. I mean, TLC is one of my favorite
girl bands of all time. I can go on and on.
You know, Whitney. The Way to Excel soundtrack is like
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something I listened to when I want to cry because
it has every single diva on the planet. Yeah, I
just dived into it, and I think at my heart,
I think I might be a soul singer at the
heart of who I am probably R and B. But
I don't like like to talk about that, or are
you do you know what I mean? I would like
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to like to say that because it's such a big
honor too, you know, just sing like that, like it's
like like out of this world, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
A talent it is. So you signed with Michael Jackson's label.
Someone sent a demo tape to him. What was on
the tape? First off, do you remember what that demo was?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I'm being a song called I'm Going Crazy, So.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was it was an original. It wasn't just a cover.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, we didn't. We didn't do cover.
It's a popular I'm not gonna say cut father and
Joe Gosh. I can't even recall the names, but there
they were. They were prominent. They were prominent people.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Did you ever get to meet Michael Oh.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, oh yeah. He he invited us to Neverland Ranch
for the release of our our album, and he invited
like the radio station to come in, like people like
winners from on the radio station, so they would watch
us perform and do like five songs and we're at Neverland.
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We got to meet Michael.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
How was he involved with any of the producing the
records or telling you, guys, yeah, you need to do
this song? Like, how involved was he?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He was pretty involved. He's executive producer, so he's putting
the money out for it. I'm sure that's what executive
producers do. And and he did curate a lot of
I think he was the one who wanted to work
with Ronney and approved of that, and we would do
songs and sometimes it would be like, well, he's not
really feeling that, or he is feeling that, So he
had a little bit of a hand in it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That's great. Yeah, you know, we got to know Michael
a good bit and he you know what an influence
he had on pretty much every single artist you got.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To perform with him. Did Hello many people can say
that on the planet.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I mean, it's definitely a pinch me moment for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I remember that moment.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, just yeah, I'll someone will you know, tag me
in like a video or something of that and I'm like,
wait a minute, that did happen? Oh my god, to.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Whole performance with everybody involved, Yeah, that was incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What did the days, the early days look like for
the group, so you get together? How did y'all officially
get together? So you audition for your manager?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Was it like a long process or was it kind
of like, yeah, you five guys are great, let's do this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, it was weird because we got we got booked
right away, and our bandmates to Danny, Eric and well,
Danny and Eric and I used to compete with each
other in dance, so we kind of knew each other already,
so we were kind of friends already to begin with.
And at first we were supposed to be backup singers
for somebody else. His name was j D. He was like,
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you know, a good singer, and anyway, I came to
the studio and I would end up like doing some
of the leads, and I would piss totally piss him off.
And you know, I was supposed to be the dancer
who could kind of sing or whatever. But the but
the producers like realized that I was pretty fast on
so they had me do a lot of the vocals.
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And so he gets jealous. It's a common theme. I swear,
It's like a I'm not trying to be like praise
myself or whatever. But these boys would get like the
lead boys would get really competitive with me and me
and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, gymnasts coming out, but they would be.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Like, I'm out. So Jadi was out. So we had
to find another guy, a rotating door. And then we
found another guy. His name is Josh. I'll give him okay, Josh.
He's actually a beautiful singer, I must say so. We
he when he came in the band. He had this
very R and B voice and I have a very
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pop voice. So I had to learn how to like
really like, you know, I better. If I want to
get those leads.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I have to blend in with it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Be better. Yeah, become a better singer. So I do
give him props for that, like made me want to
become a better singer. And I did do that. And
then he decided one moment that he wanted to go
solo during like one of the biggest shows. We're gonna
do a big show in Canada. And on the in
the actual you know, to get on the plane, we
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get the call he's not coming.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
As you're going to the airport.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
As we're going to the airport, like actually checking in
our bags. Josh is late because he's he's going solo,
like literally, and to do one of our biggest shows
that we've ever done. It was for White TV. I
don't know if you remember that, Yes, ye hye TV.
And we had like this big concert, like Y two
K type thing concert and this guy just decided.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why did he decide to leave?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Because he thought he was really great, so.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He just wanted to solo and just was over it.
And up to that point where y'all not getting along.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
No, I mean we weren't. I mean being in the
boy band was kind of miserable for me, but also
really exciting, right because you're accomplishing things. You're going on
tour with Britney Spears, you're doing all these great interviews,
you're traveling, you're a tour bus and everything. But for me,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I didn't feel like we always meshed well or it
got along well.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Some people just don't click, which I think. Did y'all
ever live together at the beginning of the group. Did
you ever live in the same house? No, okay, because
I think that's so important. We had to do that.
I live a bunch of you know, we lived together
for a year before we got a record deal, so
you knew by a month too if you liked the person.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You don't get me wrong, I love them. They love
me straight up. They know I love Danny Zabatski all
my heart, Eric, Tommy forever, Okay, Josh. I don't because
he he abandoned, he jumped ship when we needed him.
But don't get me wrong, they love me. I love them.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And it's like, as again, would you just need like
an apology?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I'm friends, I have not that. I love them, and
they they might have some ideas about me that they
might want to talk to me about, or they probably
they probably have talked to me about it. And one
of them, Tommy, has talked to me about feelings he's
had about me, some a few resentments. But Eric refuses.
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I've been like, Eric, why is Eric not allowed? He
has a podcast? They had a Podcy like, why have
you guys invited me on the show? I'd love to
be on and and He's like, well Eric doesn't want you. Yeah,
And I'm like, what the hell what did I do
to Eric? Stretch?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
We call Eric up right now, Yes, we have on
the phone right now. Eric.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
He comes to the door right now. You know what,
if he did come in the door, we would like
love each other and have the biggest hug in the world.
They just know him a bitch. I can't be a bitch.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You could be honest about that.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I am. I can be I cracked that way.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I mean, there's a lot of personalities class You may
you can still love someone and not like even with
you guys, and then saying personalities class a lot best friends,
all of you talk every single day.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But like I always say, you love these guys, you
hate these guys. Every emotion comes out.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
People don't understand.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's family, literally family.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's with anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
If you're around someone, no matter what, whether you're married
or your roommates.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're always gonna start looking at the negative things.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Of course, little things will bother you, and they build up,
and so you want to murder the.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, you start harping on the two negative things against
the five hundred amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's like being in a relation. It's the same as
it's like being in a relationship with somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Sometimes you know, oh, really, y'all got fisticuffs.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
We have fisticuffs. Have you guys ever have fisticuffs. Oh yeah,
oh we have fisticuffs.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Can we talk?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I mean, can we talk?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mean for it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There was one time when Josh he We're at Tommy
Motola's office in Sony in New York. I'll never forget this.
We're gonna go meet Tommy. Tommy wants to meet us.
We're in the waiting room, like like here, you know,
we're in the waiting room and he decides to like
lose his ship about something. I don't know what it was,
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and he literally like punched, like punched me. It was crazy,
And I looked at him. I was like, I was
so mad.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was so curious.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It was something something happened, but you put his hands
on me at Tommy Mottola's office and then they got
the call. They're like, Tommy doesn't want to see you
guys anymore because he saw, you know, he could see
that we were like fighting.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, that'd be hard to bank.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Like got so mad because I wanted to work with
Tommy Mottola.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
So he turned us down, Okay, But I was.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Like and we and we went up into the hotel
room afterward, and I knocked on his door and I'm like,
let's go like literally, I walked in this close to him.
He starts crying because he broke up with his girlfriend
with some bullshit, and I didn't care. That's me. I
don't care about your feelings. I don't care about any
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of that. Like, we had a job to do. If
you want to fight right now, let's fight right now.
I'm ready to go. And he didn't do it. But
the thing is, like, I can't believe I'm talking about this.
I probably have to see a therapist about all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But we all need to see you really, I mean,
I have to go through this.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
But yeah, it was just a real moment. And I
looked into his eyes and I saw the vulnerability there.
But I didn't care. I don't we have. When you're
trying to succeed, your emotions have to like take a
way way back seat, apartmentalized. It was so unprofessional, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, some people that are that emotional, they just can't
you know, they don't understand that at all.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Well for artists.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I mean, uh, well, now you switched to Maverick,
which is Madonna's record label. So you go from Michael
Jackson's label to Madonna's label. Why the switch?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Why or how or both both. Yeah, it's a pretty
big deal. The why was at the time, Sony, you know,
it's called being shelved, right, they shelved our record, Yes,
and they were like, oh, we have to put Mandy's out,
we have to put this record out, we have to
put this record out before you guys. And apparently Madonna's
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record label found out that that was happening, and they're like, okay,
well we'll buy you out of that contract and put
you onto our label and then put you on toward
Britney Spears at the same time, you know, on top
of it. And we were like and when I got
that call, I think it was a publicist who called me,
is that you know, Madonna is considering buying you guys
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out and signing her to the I was like, what
because that's my hero.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh I can I can imagine that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I mean, yeah, Michael is like definitely something really honor
and everything. But Madonna was like a big, really big deal.
And then yeah, we went, you know, went to the
Maverick offices. We met with Guy Siri and the president
of the label and they were just so excited.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, that's awesome. So you mentioned you went onto a
Britney Spears. You've also been on to A ninety degrees
Destiny's Child Aaron Carter, which was your favorite tour?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
My favorite tour, well, of course Brittany, because there's another
one that I really love, love Brittany. Literally, I literally
had my tour bus. I had pictures of Brittany, you know,
against like the little bunk Brittany, photos of her, super
crush on her, so pretty and such a great dancer
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and performer. Yeah, it was definitely Brittany.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, she's a sweetheart. So this was the end of
the nineties in the beginning of the two thousands. Let's
talk fashion a little bit, because you are a fashionable man.
You we were not at all in our group. I
mean well, according to twenty twenty three, we were fashionable.
Apparently all those.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Things time no listen fun of us. You guys look ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes, oh my gosh, everyone made fun of what we wore.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, but there were like the older people making fun
of it, or maybe we were just so it was
like the rivers of.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Maybe we were, because like Abercamie Fitch has come back
out and all my stuff is that nineties look, and
I'm like vibe, that's that's what we would wear. Yeah,
and I always thought it was horrendous.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well yeah it was a little cookie, but that's but
you were like pop stars at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So with you guys, who was the more fashionable one
who got to decide, Okay, this is what our look's
going to be. Let's I could have answered that for you.
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I just met you.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But I have a feeling you would not let any
of the other guys lead the look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Were you happy with the looks?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Were you happy with the image that y'all had?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
When we first started, it was all about like, oh, individuality,
We're doing this kind of spice girl thing where it's
like you're this thing, you're that thing. And and so
Danny had like the skater vibe, which is totally him,
which is great, and then you know, Eric had his vibe,
and then I had my vibe. But as things kind
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of progressed and that one person I talked about like left,
I started to take a little bit more of the
leading role and like kind of like maybe we should
have like a vibe that we just kind of shared
with each other. And and then we started kind of
dressing a little more similarly nice.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
What would you say your fashion was back then, Like,
is there a style you were going for?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I'm like you, I think it was horrible. I think
you didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Have to work with back in the late nineties. Okay,
it was just about flashy.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It was about kind of like what you have like now,
like kind of like we wanted things like sparkle. We
want to I remember what do you call it when
you like rhinestones?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, dazzling everything machine And I'm literally wearing a dazzled
shirt right now.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, the dazzle combining like like hard rock things like
ironic hard rock t shirts.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Planet Hollywood hard rock t shirts.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, like like things that you wouldn't probably not be
listening to hard rock.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Not the hotel.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think it was like because the hard rock cafe
shirts were so huge in the nineties, like they were
opening up one in every city around the world.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
It's just nineties.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, but that was the look.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It was cute. Yeah, that was the lookies. Nineties two
thousands was just douche like that was that was the style.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Now it's super hot.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Uh, Now you and I have similar you know, experiences
being closeted while performing in a boy band and and
a time where it just wasn't accepted. What was your
experience like and what was what's your advice that the
label was giving you. Were you ever told like let's
not talk about our sex life at all or that
that just doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, it doesn't exist. We were told to. We had
to go through media training. Yeah, so basically the things
that we should could talk or they want us to
talk about and not talk about. And I just one time,
Oh gosh, am I going to talk about this on
gues you are all right? We did this show in
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Jersey and it was a big show and I was
so excited and the label was there, Maverick was there,
and I wore this really cool I thought it was
really cool. It was like a kind of Elvis inspired
black jumpsuit and it was like like like leather but
pleather and kind of shined and and I just felt
so hot in this thing. It's like so cool, and
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I'm dancing around. I have it like halfway or halfway undone.
I'm dancing the girls, going crazy everything, And then I
got a call from management and then like Ricky, you know,
we have to have a talk with you. The label
is concerned that you are coming across as two feminine,
and it broke my heart. I was like, of all
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the people that I want to upset. Yeah, yeah, of
all the people that I want to offend or whatever,
the label has a problem.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Which now makes you even deeper into that closet.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, well, it just makes me feel so ashamed. And
then there was another moment when we were having a
press conference and it was it was a show for
all for school kids, like junior high I think justin
Timberlake was actually there like doing like it's some sort
of like a speech or whatever, and there were like
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thousands of kids from all over the country coming in
junior high high school kids, and I was nervous. I
was so nervous because I didn't go to high school
and all this stuff. So I'm like, well, all these
school shows we did, I was always like, Oh my gosh,
how is this going to go?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
We did this whole thing, and then we had like
a media event after where like this the school knew
newspaper people would come and like all the interview us
and one of the girls was like, Ricky, you know,
you walk a certain way and you talk a certain way.
Are you gay? Straight up?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You were outed by the kid's newspaper.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's where all the hard journalists are Turkey.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Really it was.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I mean, whatever got you, she got me this girl.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
And the Ronny thing is I had a girlfriend at
the time and I wasn't like out like that or whatever.
And I was like, all the people, I mean, Eric
is actually gay. Why don't you ask him that question?
Why are you asking me?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Was Eric out at that time or you just you
knew he was?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
He was like, I don't really care if they know
or if they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's just so he was out to you guys.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
He was out to me and to us.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, at least he had someone. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I did, yeah, because when Lance was in the group,
nobody didn't none of anyone.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Until he bisexual boys, and that didn't you know in
the groups. I wish somebody I know honestly, that's not
what I heard.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But oh real, we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Mickey Mouse Club era. But we'll talk that about privately. Privately.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, one, I could never look at them in that way,
so like I've you know, but I feel like I
would know that justin, Oh god, justin, Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I did that, especially if like you had the first
look girls to Brahman here. Yeah, I was into that.
He was cute. But where were we I digress.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Trauma when we're talking about how you know, statistically in groups,
you know, there should be a gay one or at
least a bisexual one, and there's many that don't have any.
But again, who knows, We don't know, there's true story,
they're deep down nobody really anyone.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to be two percent by like I'm
two percent straight?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I would say I'm maybe one
percent straight because I did date girls.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, I was a girls.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, okay, then I might be five percent then okay, yeah,
because I had fun and I still do.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I no, I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't my thing.
We haven't had fun like that alone. No, No, it's
been a while, been a while, all right. So two
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thousand and one, unfortunately no authority disbands. Uh so what
ultimately led to this decision? So Joshua was out for
the Canadian show. Do y'all y'all just went as a
four for a while or did y'all want to replace?
We always had four only Oh shoot, okay, three your
ad to the fourth?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, we had to find a new member. And that's
when Tommy came in. And he was such a breath
of fresh air because he was so excited. He wasn't
jaded at all. He was a team player and so
we got along very well and we just started collaborating
with each other. And because he was cool with me,
the two other boys used to kind of do whatever
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that other leading person wanted. I'm sorry, guys, it was
like basically whatever he wanted. They kind of would like this.
And if I said left, they were like, oh, we're
gonna go we want to go right. So I would
literally do the opposite. I'm say, okay, I want to
go right, and they do, No, We're going left, and like,
that's what I want. I'd have to play games like
that with these guys, so many mental games. But this
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guy came in, Tommy, and he didn't play any games
with me. He was just like, I love this, and
I went out fun and let's let's do this. And
so the whole vibe of the band changed and it
became more of a fun experience for all of us.
And that's when we had our biggest success we had
Can I Get Your Number on the radio and all
of that. So that was the most fun I had
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was with that before.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and I mean it's going great, Like you said,
can I Get Your Number? Huge hit. What made y'all
decide not to do music anymore?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Well, we were going to do another album with the
label with Maverick. There was that that phone call that said,
you know, basically that Richard wants to have his producers
to do the record, not the producers that Maverick wanted
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us to work with. And so apparently there's like a
big blow up. I got the call, you know, A
and R guy yelling with Richard and Richard yelling, and
basically I knew, oh god, I think that's the end.
Oh wow, because it's this big clash ensure enough, they
were like, yeah, we're gonna they dropped us from the label.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well that sucks that. It all kind of landed on
your management, you know, to make that decision. Really was
there no going straight to the labor and like, okay,
let's talk about this, let's let's figure this producer out.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Well yeah, but they were he was our you had
like a contract with him.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So basically he was your Lou Proman. But did he
loose Proman yet? Did you did you actually get a
good deal?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I wish you would have lo proman me.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Wait, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (39:27):
God, he made you guys start.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, he made you guys super like. You guys
had maximum talent, I mean, no doubt. But I'm saying, like,
without that money, without that, I mean, I know, it's
a really horrible contract. Oh yeah, I'm sure, and I'm
sure he puts you through a lot. But but our
guy put us through, sorry, put us through what he
put us through, and didn't necessarily accomplish.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
What the goal.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Goal ultimate was to have a hit record, And so
I would have preferred that we worked with Maverick and
let them have a shot at well.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Of course, Well it's a different time. I mean, if
you think two thousand and one, that was you know,
nine to eleven happens, and I think that kills pop
music for a long time, Like it just entertainment just
fizzled for a bit, right there. It killed that. So
you're you're right at that, You're right at the tail
end of the boy band era kind of you know,
fizzling out a little bit, which again nine eleven kind
(40:27):
of put the nail in that coffin. So, yeah, you're
at a situation where you're like, well, crap, are we
too late? And I wonder if that was the label,
being like, yeah, we're not even gonna bet on this anymore.
We've moved on to something different, different genres are taken over.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Well, they didn't mention any of that. They just mentioned yeah,
they of course not, But they did mention the clash.
I mean I heard about the Big clash and it
was really difficult for me, so crazy difficult because I
had to go back to my girlfriend and I were
living in a certain place in sau City. Then we
had to we to go back my parents. And I
(41:01):
just felt like, oh my god, after living off this
like crazy high and traveling and everything, and coming back
to Upland and living with my girlfriend in Upland.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
With my parents, I was just like whoa, Yeah, how
was that transition?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Then? Yeah? Then how do you transition then into yours? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Like what does what does life look like now? Like
you're back in Upland, you're living with a girlfriend, Like what,
like where where do you think you're going from there?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I was depressed.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, of course, I feel like anyone would be depressed.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, But I started, I started picking up pro tools,
started producing my own music and you know, playing the
guitar and and started creating just music that was kind
of like my way of coping with that. And I
had like other people that I would meet along the way,
like a dance classes. I met a boy band that
wanted to produce them to be produced, a Latino boy band,
(41:54):
and so it was so hot even thinking about them.
Now a type, many types. I have many types. This
is one of them. And he came over and yeah,
I produced them, and and I just started producing more
and writing and trying to find my sound and and
(42:16):
I went through a lot of you know, reinventions because
people in the industry are like, well, you should do this,
and you should you should do rock and were dickies
and you straight and make sure that people know that
they have a chance with you. Even now, everybody's like
you should project yourself a certain way, so you think
women have a chance. But the ironic thing is they
(42:37):
do have a chance. It's just I'm a little more
comfortable with who how I am. Anyway, I like this more.
But bottom line, It was difficult, but I did, you know,
learn I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Now, where did Ricky Rebel come from?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Ricky Rebel? One day I was like, Okay, I'm going
to create a persona and I'm gonna just open up
this dictionary and the name's gonna pop out. And I
literally opened up the dictionary and it was like, ur
is a rebel. I was like, Oh, that's so my personality.
I'm quite rebellious. When the industry told me that you
(43:19):
couldn't be gay or whatever, I said, no, I'm gonna
be who I am. I'm going to be whoever. I
am going to write a song. I wrote a song
about it called Boys and Sometimes Girls and at a
time when it wasn't right to do that, and I'm
gonna go with who I am. I'm going to rebel
against an industry that tells me that I can never
succeed being open like that. And I decided to do that.
(43:43):
And that was like my biggest song so far as
it was a Billboard top forty record, and I'm really
proud of that because it was something that I produced
with my own hands. I didn't have Ronnie do it.
I didn't have some other you know what I mean.
It's something that I manufactured and made and I believed
in and people have fun when they hear it, they smile,
and so I'm proud of that record.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I think a lot of people would say, you're rebellious
by supporting our former president, which is a big news
that you would. You do the Grammys and you do
a very big fashion statement. Was that the one where
you bent over and your cheek said impeach this?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yes, I did that.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Okay, when you're going through your mind like okay, what
am I to wear it to the Grammys right now,
I'm going to make a statement, I am going to
take my butt cheeks out and write impeach this?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Was that just the thought process? Well?
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah, I mean I wanted to do something that was
funny because I felt like people were trying to be
too serious about all of this stuff, which now they're
on maximum seriousness when it comes to politics, which I
hate that word.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
By the way, I know, and we don't tell politics
on the show.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Thank you so much, because I'm I've I denounced politics
now because I did that, and I realize that it's
very divisive.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Oh my gosh, You're never gonna win anyone.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Over anywhere you go, you don't win, and it's like,
that's not who I am.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Like, But personally, are you still political in your own
personal life? You still believe in like the conservative values
and in all that part, I.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Mean there are things that I disagree with, of course,
and I have I think they're going too far a
lot of times.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
And why do you think as a gay man people,
as a man, why do you think it's so controversial
to support someone like our former president? Oh my god,
they think it's so controversial.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I got death threats. Oh my god, it was. It
was very traumatizing for me to be because that that's
the most quote famous I've ever been, was when I
went to the Grammys and I wore that suit and
there were people yelling out the paparazzi, I hope your
(45:50):
babies die. He hates your kind things like that. Gosh,
I don't even know. I don't even know what to
say about the whole thing that The bottom line is, yes,
I do think the way that I think. But at
the same time, I know in my heart that I'm
(46:10):
here to make people happy through music, art, dance, and
fashion and things that I kind of view as superficial,
but in reality they're not. Art is a very important
thing for society.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
And so many people are trying to take art away,
which just because and I understand why a lot some
people have the reasoning to take art away because it
expands people's minds. It makes you see other sides of situations.
So taking arts out of schools, I mean, just limiting
what books we can put in libraries. What do you
(46:46):
think about all this art just being destroyed right now?
Speaker 4 (46:50):
That's a no no for me. Free speech is a
very important thing to me, and it goes both ways
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, I feel like if you're into if that's what
you support, then and you support it. You can't pick
and choose free speeds, right.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
It has to be things that you're uncomfortable with on
both sides. And that's why when when people try to
stop that's what At the time, I felt like my
voice was being silenced and I kind of felt like
I was back in the closet, you know, And I
felt like like in the boy band, when I couldn't
(47:26):
say who I really was. I felt like another moment
like this, I'm like I just had a fight to
like be who I really am, you know, in this degree,
and now I have to do it again or I
felt like I need to do it again, but in
reality you don't. This is like, this is like wisdom
coming from after going through the fire. The wisdom, the
(47:49):
wisdom is from all of this is that you don't
have to have an opinion. No, you could be a
stoic and you don't. I don't have to have an
opinion on that. I don't have to indulge in this.
I don't have to talk about it. I don't have
to be a part of it. And I want to
talk about my art now. And so I think that
I went really far. Well, people think I'm far right,
(48:12):
but I'm really not. I'm like center right. But but
to people who are center right, it's like the to
somebody who's like far left, or they might they they're
going to say.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
I think the majority of us are center.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
You know, of course, now I mean in terms of
politics more divide as ever.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
So what I did was I you know, I said
what I said, I did what I did. I believed,
you know, I didn't like the delivery. I'll say this,
I don't like a lot of the way I did
said certain things or did certain things and alienated my audience.
That's not cool and that's not something I want to do.
But I have fun, I mean writing and peach this
(48:55):
and you know, peach my ass, like you know, like
this is so stupid. It's just too much fighting. It
was a total moment. I flipped that chapter way over
and now I'm like in this really cool space where
I'm like, Okay, I did something that way. Now I
want to show you that I'm actually very liberal. I'm
actually very like especially when it comes to like who
(49:16):
you choose to love and and expression of who you
are and be yourself. I am all about that. And
so I wrote a song called Booty Eater. I love
how you use your art. I mean really, Okay, that
upset that really upsets that whatever that you know, that
(49:37):
audience that you know, they're like, you're a trader, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I mean, it don't matter what. Even on this podcast
me saying the word ship is there's going to be
probably a thousand people out there and be like, no, you.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Know, they're over you. It's for that, but it's we're humans,
you know, And I don't want I wanted to show
people that look I'm also very yeah, you know, expressive
in a lot of ways and very liberal. So this
is part of me too.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, well you're not in a box.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah. All right.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Before we let you go, we have some fan questions
for you. This one is Party Gopez. What's your favorite
No Authority memory? The plane ride to Canada.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
My favorite memory was being on tour, on a tour bus.
I'll never forget. We're about to perform in front of
thousands of people with Britney spears. And there was this magazine,
Billboard magazine, And I opened the Billboard magazine and there
was a big write up of No Authority and it
said that we were the second most added record in
(50:42):
the country behind Janet Jackson. So like jan Jackson and
then No Authority, that's a framer. It was a framer moment.
It's like, here i am on a tour bus with
all these people and I'm about to perform, and here
it is that we made this record and you know,
the second most added behind Janet.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
That was my That's great. Aaron Agosta would like to
know would there be a possible No Authority reunion? And
before you answer this, we do make miracles happen. On
this show. We have put bands together. Really, we have
fixed relationships. So I'm just saying we probably could get
the band back together and you and Josh back as
(51:18):
best friends. I'm just just put that out there. But
would there ever be a possibility without the help of
frosted Tips.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Yes, I've told them. I told the boys, I'm like,
whenever you're ready, like, but they all have to be
on board, not just like.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Two, well, yeah, you had to put on the work.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
All three, yeah, all three.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah, I want the whole thing. They all have to
want it. But Danny will never ever ever, He's.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Why do you think Danny, because he's like in dad life.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
He's in daddy. He's such a daddy being so accused.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I get it though, Like with these kids, I'm so
glad that I have this radio show because I wouldn't
have been able to do the schedule I did with
these kids, Like I wouldn't be able to be on
a plane four times a week. I would be able
to do this, you know, film over here. I'm so
happy that I was able to have this little break
with these kids.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
A couple of years.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, the first couple. Now it's it'll go a little
easier now that they get in school and all that,
then I can, you know, do the things I used
to do. But yeah, with newborns, it's it's hard. It's
hard to go back to work a lot because you
don't want to go back to work. I just want
to stay here with these kids.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
You love them.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
The best.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Do you ever want to have kids?
Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, I have two kids now, No you do not.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, no, I didn't know you had kids.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
I went of rag dogs.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I was about to say I knew it, like I missed.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Oh man, coons are the best cats.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
My husband loves the macoon.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, he's definitely allergic to cats. But if I had
a cat, it would.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Get a main coon.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, but the biggest one I could find. Oh yeah,
big hair that like the g one.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
It's a majestic animal.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
And they just look scary in the face sometimes, like
are you gonna rip my face off?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
They have this kind of tighter thing. Love it, love it, babe.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
You need to get a shot. We need to get
cat and get you a shot. Okay, all right, they
make cat yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Okay. Actually, and what music are.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
You listening to right now? Can you give us some suggestions,
even if it's older music now whatever, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Anybody you're liking.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
I just stick with the classics, Like I love the Weekend.
I like the cloud you did with Madonna. I thought
that was pretty cool. Yeah, just the Weekend Right now,
I'm pretty obsessed with I'm writing my own record right now.
It's kind of it's like a sex album. It's called
Fantasy Control. So when will we hear that it's coming out,
(53:52):
like by the end of the month. It's the new single.
It's kind of depeche Mode rock.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
The whole record is just exploring, like I'm doing my
sex album, like getting it out of the way, Like
I promise mom, once I get this out, I can
make like about nicorns your pop music forever and ever
and ever to the day I die.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
All right, thank you so much for being on the show.
Rick It was so great to get to know you.
How can everyone stay in touch with you out there?
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Everybody you can find me Ricky rebbelrocks dot com and
I'm Ricky Rubbel Rocks on all the platforms waat rocks.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
God.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
That's right, all right, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Thank you for having me. That's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, I mean that is all the show we have
I think, so Turkey, Thank you so much for being
here as always, and everyone be good to each other
out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of those animals,
and remember stay frosted. Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us
on Instagram at Frosted Tips with Lance and Michael Turchinart
(54:51):
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