2016 Olympic Rugby Sevens with Nate Ebner | Team USA vs. The World - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I played in the Olympics and Bill had you
guys stop training camp to watch me and the team
room for him to do that because I was one
of the guys on the team and it was important
and to stop training camp to do that, and to
have everybody wear the Ebner shirts out there, like Stevie
b Made and mister Kraft support just like the Patriots
organization and that brotherhood and support like first class. What

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was that like.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
When he did like one of those movie things. Yeah,
what I mean where he got a bunch of food
and yeah, we all sat in there and we watched it.
No one knew it the for watching. Really Welcome to
Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler,
and we are on a mission to find the greatest
game of all time. And on today's episode, we are

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covering the twenty sixteen Summer Olympics rugby seven's team and
their journey with Patriots special teams, Legend Ohio State Buck Eye,
and stud rugby player Nate Ebner. We get into talking
the time I may have peed my pants.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You spilled it so hard that you collapsed and I
just rumber. You say, I'm kissing my pan Do you
remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
What it's like to have to ask Bill Belichick, Hey,
I gotta go try to play the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was like waiting for his response, and right away though, he.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Was like, which NFL players should play rugby? I think
Patrick Mahon's be a god rugby player.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh, Patrick mahons can't run.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And then we wrap it up by filling out an
Olympic team using what I think bias best athletes in
the world NFL football players sticking around for the very
end of this episode, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Games of Names. The production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
August twenty sixteen, Theodoro Stadium, Rio with De Jennero Grazilli.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
After ninety two long years, rugby is back for the
games of the thirty first Olympiad and.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
The men's Eagles sevens have gold on their mind. This
is the twenty sixteen Summer Olympics rugby sevens. Hell yeah,
welcome to Games with Names. We have a very special

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episode today. You know this is a This is a
podcast where we talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Games, specific games, but on this specific podcast, we're gonna
go deeper, not just into one game, but a bunch
of games of the twenty sixteen Summer Olympics.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
And we're gonna explain the game.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
This is gonna be a this is gonna be a
platform for the game that we're about to talk about
with an unbelievable Studley two sport guy. We're gonna talk
about rugby with Nate Ebner. Welcome to the show, Nate.
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Good man? Thanks for having me?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, in one sentence, why why did you pick these games?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Why did you?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Why did you pick these games of the twenty sixteen
Summer Olympic rugby seven's matchups?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think there was a lot at stake. I'd say
that's pretty much what I'm thinking about when I see
all the games with names that you guys do. We'll
do a lot of football. We to, you know, give
rugby some love and heavy for me this twenty sixteen year,
you know, going off of an AFC Championship lost to
Denver point conversion, you know you remember that, I fucking remember,

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and then just going straight into the summer to try
to make this team on a long shot and go
through that experience to follow that up with the Super
Bowl against the Falcons. That was just twenty sixteen was
the year. So this this was you know, rugby hadn't
been in the Olympics for almost one hundred years. Last
Olympic rugby appearance we saw was in like nineteen twenty four. Wow,

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So for to be back, you know, this was it.
This is what we got to talk about.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Is this the greatest set of games of all time?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
If the outcome was different, maybe I could make that argument.
But it wasn't the outcome we wanted.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Hey, Nate, we asked all our guest, we asked all
our Yes. Now, what's what's life looking like these days?
New dad?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, new dad, that's the mostly what life is looking like?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Congratulations? Got a little baby girl, girl that Nate?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, baby girl. She's beautiful, she's awesome, she's it's pretty
gret But you know, early mornings, oh.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, and a lot of diapers, lots of diapers. Now
are you do?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
You have the diaper situation like master handled right where
you you know you do? You just lift their little
legs up, you put that thing, you open it up
with like a little tea mastered and you drop that
thing ba bap.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Absolutely, I mean I have a self clock going on?
How quick?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
So you're like pit crew in it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I always myself too, got you. Now, what's your pit time?
What's your diaper time?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I'd say under thirty seconds is what I'm shooting for.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's good. It's good. My mom's pretty fucking fast. I'll
tell you that right now, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I'm starting to get a wiggler.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
We get a lot of a lot of fighting, a
lot of kicking, a lot of rolling over, not cooperating. Yeah,
she won't stay on the jack, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
So sometimes you got a hog tire.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah that's what. So. Yeah, I've little legs.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Hey, what are you doing over there?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
You get peed on you?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh? Absolutely? Every time I take her to go get
a bath, oh my god, older, it's like it's time
to pee.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So I'll tell you one quick story about my introduction
to like being a dad.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Daughter Lily comes in.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I have her in Boston, and it's like nap time.
You know, I seen in the movies. You just put
kids in a big T shirt right with a diaper.
You're good, I throw in there. I soon learned that
you should always have pants on the kid, because I
walk in like forty five minutes later and she's shit
everywhere and took her diaper off and was just standing

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up like looking at me at like seven months, eight months,
nine months, like knowing she did something wrong in her
big ass ship T shirt filled with ship everywhere. You
always keep a pant on the diaper so they can't
just rip it off.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's what I'm getting down.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I'm gonna bank that.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It was just.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
She's pulling out those straps. I could see that happening.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh that's why you got to put the little things on.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, that thing. I thought it'd be comfortable for her.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Appreciate that wisdom, you know, that's what that is is.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, yeah, so what you're you're in Ohio right now?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, I'm in Columbus. Try to help my buck eyes
when I can with you know, keeping keeping a distance
where I can too, because I'm not trying to get
into all that too heavy. But it's hard not to
with an organization like that to to, you know, help
where I can. You know, and you love ball and
got a bunch of young, eager guys that have a
chance to do something special. So try to be around that.

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Working out with my boy John's I'm in rolling around
doing jiu jitsu with him. He did a world tournament
in the gag.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Of course John Simon did that.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, he did. He tour try something this match like
in thirty seconds, and he was so pissed. But he uh,
he's pretty good at it.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I bet you he. I mean that's what he did.
He set the edge, he used his arms.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
He says, I can still set the edge. He's waiting
for him to call me. He's like, I'm still ready.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
To say he gets set the edge.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, he loves that. But yeah, doing that, I am
working with a tech company in the private aviation space
center around, you know, empowering brokers to be more efficient
all the way around, giving more options. Yeah. Yeah, it's
called Goodwin and.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
He sells spreadsheets emails.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And I'm working with a broker it's called Fly twelve
hundred as a VP of sales. So I'm working with
them there. If you need a if you need a flight,
give me a shout. Yeah. And then you know, outside of.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That bro huh slot receiver.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
And then you know, working on a little movie script
for you know, the book I wrote in twenty eighteen
or nineteen whatever that was Yeah, that's been a fun project.
Awesome now and I'm doing some broadcasting here soon with
some rugby stuff too, So that's.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Getting into TV, you know a little bit here and there.
So like, did do you have like a key card
at Ohio State? Do you still go workout at that gym?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Fingers this is everyone. Do you have a finger fingerprint?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'm in the system?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Are you in the system? So it's like anyone who's
associated with the ISOs, you can you always go back,
like a J Hawk can go back.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, AJ Hawk can go back, but AJ Hawk is
is hey, you know he's he's one of the ultimate dudes. No,
not really. I mean they're pretty particular about it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But who's one of the Ohio State pros that can't
go back?

Speaker 6 (08:46):
About Cardile Jones? Could Cardile get in there?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, but not the workout. Cardile's in there? You know,
mingling rub and shoulders.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Urban Meyer have the y urb.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah. I mean everybody loves everyone in National Championship and
you know John Simon. You know there's Tim Tebow, but
John Simon is right there on Urban Myers. I mean
John Simon is adored by her.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is John Urban, John Simon Urban.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
He was with him his senior year and Herb loves
John and uh, everybody loves Johnny's good dude. He works
hard and all that. But he was, you know, big
in the culture of that undefeated season when Irban first
came in. But we were suspended from the previous year
so they didn't get to go to a national championship.
But anyways, yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Lot of guys because of the autographs. Yeah, what was
his name? Could he get back in?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't think so. I'm not in control of the
administration on who who's allowed in and up, but I
would say probably not. Yeah, but no, there's you know
not I mean myself and John, Bobby Carpenter, we don't.
There's not a lot of peop there.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
But Bobby Carpenter is a mayor.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, the mayor.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Fucking Bobby Bobby Carpenter. Always remember how much court he
used to just hold in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Dude, he does that now between him and John, I'm like, guys, like,
where can we work out?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean, Bobby cart Man the conversation Jacktice Ginger, you
ever see.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
He would argue he's not a ginger, but he.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Kind of has it in him.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Blonde. He's like forty something and he is.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
He looks young.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
He's ripped up.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, I mean, I mean he works hard. He's always
worked his ass.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't know if he's got any assistance in that,
but he does work hard. He does work hard though.
He's a great dude.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Now, you got to play for Ohio State. You grew
up in Dublin, Ohio. So how how did you get
introduced to rugby? Because Ohio you think Ohio, you think
of football, you think of Ohio, you think of Ohio State. Yep,
you think of Ohio, you don't think rugby.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Where does this rugby background come from?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Nate the junk man himself? My dad, your pops. Yeah,
so my dad, we have a family owned runk yard
in Springfield.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
How long has he been.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
There since the eighteen sixties or even eighteen thirties.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Or early eighteen thirties something like that. Somewhere in there.
It's it's been around for q one hundred and thirty
years something like that.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know what. Edner's Auto Parts Edner and Sons
Auto Parts actually hell yeah, but it's like right downtown
to like in the middle of the city, like there's
just a junkyard it so it doesn't fit. But anyways,
he uh, he found it. He played football in high school,
found his way to rugby in Minnesota. Just became a

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you know eighties seventies, eighties rugby guy, like a culture
guy that you know, they'd play out in the fields.
They didn't care, They had a great time playing. He
just loved you know. His thing about rugby was, you know,
he wanted to get his hits in and he said,
where else can you go? You know, beat the shit
out of somebody and knock out of jail. So that's
why he played rugby. Yeah, and you know he introduced

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me to the game at a young age. I I
played a lot of sports. You know, we really good
squash player at a young age because we just did
so much random stuff. But yeah, squash racket game like
rack a ball, but the ball didn't fly around so
you got to run a little bit. Yeah. But yeah,
we know we did a lot of stuff. But obviously
I gravitated.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
You're probably really good at Batmanton.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, but then you know you just can't really get
that thing moving, like you can't a squash ball. Yeah,
But like now I you know, I gravitated towards rugby.
I was obviously turned out to be a decent athlete.
And you know, any game at the highest level, you
have to have an IQ for it. Yeah, and you know,
I think that's why you see so much struggle with

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a lot of athletes transitioning, whether it be a football
player trying to play rugby or a lot of you know,
rugby guys trying to get into that international program in
the NFL. It's just the IQ is so high at
that level. But you know, I was introduced to this
game at six Most American rugby players start fifteen sixteen
in high school at the earliest. So I played my
whole life, so the i Q was always there. Turned

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out to be a decent athlete very quickly, was on
the junior national team at sixteen, of flying around the
world playing rugby and missing high school for months at
a time, and just became very good at a very
young age. And at that point, you know, I started
to see a path for me, you know, as a
rugby player. And I kind of you know, in high school,

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I didn't play any football, not, you know, not at all.
Last time I played high school or the last time
I played football was in like seventh or eighth grade,
and I just became very serious about it and was
like full time. Yeah, and then I found my way
to Ohio State. How I grew up in Ohio, You
don't want to go anywhere else with the Ohio State,
you know. I thought about going to some other schools

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because there were better schools for rugby, but you know,
I thought I could change the Ohio State landscape of rugby.
But I had one more Junior World Cup I was
in college because they changed it from U nineeen. So
I went to my first Junior World Cup in Dubai
and two thousand and six, I was like the youngest
player in the tournament, was like just turned sixteen and
it's under nineteen. And then I played, you know, the

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next one. It was in twenty and seven in Ireland,
and then they changed to you twenties, and then I
played in Wales in my final one when I was
a freshman in college. And then I kind of found
myself at Ohio State, done playing high level international rugby,
and now I'm here playing club.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Rugby versus, well, why were you done?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Because the age grade stuff had ended, so pros certainly. Yeah,
there were pros and there was the men's side, but
I would have had to leave school and I told
my parents I'd get my degree. So here I am
just kind of done with the international World Cups and stuff.
Just got done playing South Africa. Twenty other twenty six
man roster were already under professional contract. And then I'm

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playing like Indiana and the guys I'm playing with are
more worried about the after party than the game. And
I just got really frustrated really fast, because you know,
I've worked so hard, I'm playing against some of the
best players in the world, and I'm taking it pretty seriously,
and I just felt like I'm not getting any better here,
you know. And so then I started to look around
and it was kind of a perfect storm.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Because the Ohio State team, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah? Who the guys are talking about after parties?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
What was that? The Ohio State rugby.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, the rugby team was the club team was more
worried about what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Structure.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I want a structure. I wanted to I wanted to win,
I wanted to go to nationals, you know, I wanted
all that stuff. And I didn't feel like I had
that coming back to me. You know, it kind of
fell like me versus everyone at times when I would play,
and that's just not how you play that game. So
I'm at Ohio State, I'm in my sophomore year. I'm

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done with the Junior World Cup stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now is there a buzz on the campus about your
World champions stuff? It's not even a cricket, not a cricket.
You're walking down the always and yeah, trestles right there,
you rubbed shoulders and oh hey, sorry.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Son, get out of my way, Get out of my way.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Man the bathrooms that way.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Dude, No, he'd be he'd be the best. He'd be like,
excuse me, young man, Yeah, how you doing? And then
asked me all about myself. But no, you're right, yeah,
not not a cricket. So and I didn't care, you know,
I really didn't. I knew it was kind of a
niche thing, and and I knew what I was going for.
But I started to realize I would have had to
play professionally overseas, and I didn't want to leave the

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United States. You know, I loved America. All the traveling
I did showed me real quickly how great of a
country we have, how much I appreciate it, And I
really didn't want to go to France and learn French
and play over.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
There whatever I would have had to do and hard language.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So matt Ohio State playing club rugby in the fall
my sophomore year, just starting to look around because I
need something else anymore. And you know, like I said,
it was a perfect storm. I'm ot Ohio State. It's
the granddaddy of them all, you know, you know, there's
only a couple other schools football wise that can compete
on that. That yes, big school, and you can't escape it, No,

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you can't.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Kent State and every want leave our games to go
watch the Ohio State game in their dorm.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I know, I understand.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So i'm and i'm I'm surrounded by it. Like you
just had mentioned, I'm one of the better, you know,
rugby players in the country. No one, nobody cares. And
you know, here we are, Ohio State's football is the
greatest thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I thought about playing football my senior year in high school.
My I kind of got talked out of it because
I was really building something for rugby and chose not to.
And you know, we won the Division one state championship
that year, so I missed out on that, and you know,
I just everything was leading me towards fuck it, I'm
gonna walk onto the football team. So like the last
conversation I actually have with my dad, we we used

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to go work out at the a CC. You know,
I was like nervous about telling him. He introduced me
to rugby, I'm gonna be one of the best rugby players,
blah blah blah. And now here I am about to
tell him, you know, hey, I don't want to I
don't want to do this some more. I'm gonna go
walk onto the football team on some pipe dream. And
you know, I broke that to him, kind of told me,
I want to do this because I want to go
to the NFL, and he was very receptive right away.

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He was like, you know, if you're gonna do this,
do it with everything. You have, no distractions. We're not
gonna play rugby half the time, and you know you're
gonna go all in with football and we'll try to
give everything you have and rugby will always be there
if if football doesn't work out. And the next day
he was murdered at the Junkyard. So that was like
the last conversation I had with him, and then obviously

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had had a tough time with that dropped out for
that winter quarter because I was struggling and just I'll
go into it, but my mom was like the most
pivotal moment of my life kind of. I remember I was,
I was sitting on the couch just kind of zombied out,
you know, Dad's gone, and Mom comes in and in tears,

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and she's just like Nate, like you gotta you gotta
get up and go, Like your dad would hate to
see this ruin your life. You gotta live a life
you'd be proud of. And you know, she was crying
saying that to me. And you know, I had some
friends that lost parents and whatnot, and a lot of
parents want to coddle their kids in those situations. But
for her to have the strength to say something to
me that, you know, not necessarily what I wanted to hear,

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what she wanted to say, but what I needed. You know,
she did that and that was the moment where I
kind of woke up and I said, you know, fuck it,
let's go. I need to do this thing out. Like
like we had talked about and then like literally a
month later, I walked onto the football team at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
But I was a man on a mission. It was
not like some I want to put the jersey on
type of deal. You know. Those walk on workouts were
crazy experience.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
There's so many kids. There's like eighty kids there, and
half of them have their favorite players jersey on, like
they had no business being there. And you know here,
I mean, I was playing some of the best athletes
in the world, just a different sports so I could
run and stuff, you know. But I'd say that was
probably one of the most humbling things I ever did
because I was a really good athlete, but I knew
nothing about football cover two, cover one, nickel, base, nothing,

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So that was hard. And for me, I was already
I walked on the winner on my sophomore so I
was going into my junior year. I only had two
or three years of eligibility, so I was like, I
gotta figure this out quick. And the best way for
me to get on the bus with special teams because
it was like just put them on kickoff and let
him eat and I and I ate in college, you know,

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and that's that's kind of what got me on the bus,
I'd say, you know, looking back on it was more
political at Ohio State trying to play defense than it
was in the league because we have such shorter numbers
and you got to do everything in the NFL and
Ohio State here able to walk on, you know, senior
or whatever it is. You know, I'm taking some highly
recruited kid spot. It's like maybe not. So it was tough.

(20:44):
I played three snaps of defense at Ohio State. I
always got to mention I got a sack on one
of those big time high percentage, very high percentage, but
now special teams, you know, was a way that that
got me going. And Vrabel was a defensive coach at
the time my senior year, and you know, I think

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I had that like the look of my tape. And
then my pro day came about and bald and uh
got me drafted, got you drafted, found my way to
the NFL, And that's kind of how.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It got started. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
So so rugby was on pause. I never thought I
would play as long as I did in the NFL.
Should I keep going with how we got back to rugby,
how we got to this?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I'm just sitting here thinking, man, like I didn't realize
you didn't know any football I Cover two, Cover one zero.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I thought you played in high school.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Then you play it down of high school football. I
didn't know any.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Special teams and just came natural, go get balled.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
They're just like kick it off and go tackle the guy.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And I got that, and you understood body leverage.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
And yes, it was a very good tackling because of
because of rugby. I mean when I first got when
I had my first spring ball with Ohio State, I
could not believe the way these kids were tackling, especially
like safety coming up on like a screen and just
flying with his head down. Dude, I couldn't believe it. Yeah,
I couldn't believe the coaches weren't saying anything. I couldn't
believe different, different type of tackling. It's totally different.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, now, when did you learn like so you
came out in a open like it's just a fucking try.
This was not a preferred way like Rudy like ye
put your name on the chest Charlie from yes nd
Business one hundred.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, you basically had to sign up for the water
On workout. They they made the dynamic warm up so
hard that most of the guys where they were like
doing high knees like it was a competition. And you know,
I played at rugby a high leve. I knew it
was the warm up, and I'm like, this is crazy.
So I trying to chill out watching these dudes send
it on some high knees. It was so funny. And
these dudes were tapped before even ran forties, Like people

(22:44):
were pulling muscles in the dynamic. Woman is so funny, dude,
I mean it's not, but when did.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
You So you go through that and you do the forty,
and you do the tryout stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, they clearly see you're goodding you're an athlete.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
They picked fifteen of us.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
They picked fifteen out of how many.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Probably seventy five eighty kids, and then they said, you
guys don't deserve to work out with the team until
you earn it. So we went through two weeks of
walk on workouts. Now, I played in the Olympics in
a very high cardiovascular hard sport. Outside of training for that,

(23:18):
the hardest two weeks of my life was those walk
on workouts. They tried to break. They do one thing
they made us do was walking lunges across the field
to the sideline and back, and no one could drop
a dumbell. And we were doing with like seventy five
pound doubles, sixty five and seventy five. They only had
those two weights, and if somebody dropped dumbell, we had
to start over. Yeah, And I remember I would get

(23:39):
halfway done and somebody dropped it. We had to all
start over. And then we got to the point where
I was like, all right, if you're gonna drop it,
just to like sit on your legs like me and
one other kid could get it done. And then we
ran out and we held the dumbbells to give them
a break, and like that's how we had to get
through it. But I could not walk after that. That
was killer. And we would just do stuff like the
team wild work out at six, so we'd have to

(23:59):
be there at like four forty five five in the morning,
just like it was terrible. So we started with fifteen
of us and by the end of those two weeks
or three of us left.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Who you it was me, this kid.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Named Maxwell.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
And Grant Deziac did they And.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
There was a kidnam Roar too, so maybe four of us.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Now when you three make it.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
There might have been more. But then by the time
we got through springball and actually into camp, there were.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
The first time You're putting on a fucking helmet in
spring so like, did you know how to put on
your jock and stuff? No? I did.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I had trouble with the shoulder pads. Yeah, the shoulder
pads was weird to me. And then getting used to
like running with that was so weird. I just couldn't
believe it, Like people did that.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
And then when was your first moment You're like I
could play with these guys because you probably humbled as
fuck when you first got out there.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, the way, like doing dB drills because I played
safety was like very foreign. You know. We did a
couple of goal line like Texas Oklahoma drills where you
gotta go like it didn't make I didn't understand we
were on the goal line when we were doing the drill,
and my you know, in rugby it's like if you
got to give ground, you give ground until you just
don't let them. Through football, it's like no giving ground,

(25:10):
you got to go stick the guy. And like I
had a couple of times where I got like fucking
teed off on it, like I don't understand this concept.
So I just just changing your mindset and all that.
And I think it was hard at first because I
was treated as a walk on. You know, all the
guys would go, the freshmen that are coming in would go,
and then it'd be my turn to do a rep
and the whistle will blow. The period would change and

(25:31):
I'm ready to go, and everybody would run and leave
me there and I'm in a stance ready to have
the coach throw me the ball and they all just leave.
I'm like, fuck these guys. And then I'd go and
stand on the sideline trying to get reps on scout team,
and you know, I'm getting ready to go off for
the last rap. Period would end, you know, and I
just would stand there holding my helmet. And then I
eventually had a talk with one of the coaches like
get me on here, like so they put me on

(25:53):
special teams and then I could just you know, we
had all these high recruits and I didn't give a shit,
so I would be blowing people up. I was not
the one you wanted to see in practice, because like
I said, I talked to my dad about this. This
was a goal. This, I was on a mission. I
went there to just put the jersey on. So some
of these young kids or guys that you know, wide
receivers or whatever that don't want to play special teams

(26:13):
and then here we're on like a Thursday, which like
a Friday for us. Yeah, and then I'm coming through, dude, like,
hell yeah, you know I was that guy.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Were there any Were there any guys like any of
the fucking scholarship guys studs on the team. Was there
anyone that like put their arm around you and saw
how hard you worked and saw something and kind of
would tock you up. Did you have any like you
know what I mean, like the big name guys, because
like when I got in the league, I was kind
of in that same situation, playing new position everything, and

(26:41):
like Fred Taylor came up to me once when he
saw I was like mentally going crazy just on you know,
not getting reps and one day you'd get one rep
and you'd fuck that rep up maybe or you know
what I mean. So like you're playing math in your
head all day when you're a walk on, probably like
a a late round guy in the NFL. Know, you
know who was the guy that like, was there any

(27:01):
guys like that? Or is this just fucking lone ranger?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You know? Kirk Coleman was someone that I looked up
to and he helped me a lot because that was
that was my first year, was his senior year. You know.
Boom Hearing was someone I became close with. The running
back to your posey, the wide receiver. Those guys were
more my my class. John Simon obviously John Simon, He's

(27:26):
gotting a lot of shout out Tom. But yeah, I
mean I I had to earn it.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think about John Simon though, where was he January sixth?
Or was he he knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
In the weight roomors well, he was rolling around with
some guys doing jiu jitsu, you know, knowing him, but yeah, exactly,
but he there were a lot of good guys there
that that that helped. But I think I had to
earn my stripes in that locker room. And I think
my first year we started too and two and coach
Trussell actually asked me to speak to the team. And

(28:01):
you know, we're two and two. That's not how oh
of State starts and here, I am, my dad just
died like four months ago, and Coach Treustle's asked me,
you know, you can't say no to coach trustle. Ye
still can't find a way to say no to Coach Trustle.
So I got up there and I think I told
my story and guys kind of like, oh, I get
why this dude's so serious. And then you know, I

(28:22):
kind of my place spoke for itself, my intensity, how
hard I worked, and I think I just gained a
lot of respect early on. Like you know, when you're
in college, you have like the weight room, they'll split
you up into two groups and by the end of
the workout they'll be like, pick pick your guy, We're
gonna do like a one on one for the whole team.
And you know, I was like a first year walk on,
and you know, they were picking me to do the

(28:43):
push up contest versus you know, Kirk Coleman the seniors
fives A recruits the big guy, and you know, so
I had earned it through through my workout it because
they knew, like, he's gonna give it all. So and
then as as years went on, I you know, eventually
got put on scholarship. I was, you know, kind of
a leader on the team. Yeah, once it got going.
I mean, you know it came from the bottom. Now

(29:05):
you're here exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
No, seriously, that's so that's a dog.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah. Then then the NFL that first rookie year, you know,
when they give you that playbook, I knew I wasn't
gonna just make it by being another guy that just
came in on special teams. And I was content. We
had some guys that got drafted that way Scottiowa draft,
and then they just refused to like really put the
effort towards learning the defense. And I was like, that's
not gonna make it. And you know, for me, with

(29:31):
the conversation with my dad, I wanted to make it stick.
I didn't want to just go to training camp and
say I played in the NFL, like I wanted to
make it. I wanted to get to a second contracts
or something like that. And so that rookie year, you know,
Matt Patricia was big on helping me learn the defense
as much as he didn't have to. Brian Flores was
a first year safeties coach, so him and I grew
together a lot. Like I had a lot of help Obviously,

(29:53):
Bill was like, we're gonna use this guy. So you know,
Bill gave me more attention than the coaches at Ohio
State did, so I knew I had it there. I
just need to put the effort in to learn, and
you know, I had some moments, but I think by
the time I actually figured it out probably third or
fourth year in the league. Yeah, you're one of our
special teams. Dudes like you and slate like so and
that that's kind of where I was. And then you know,

(30:15):
you also had Devin mccordy and Patrick Chong who were
staples for the longest time, and that was good for
me because I just could back them up and played
played a lot more safety in my first game in
the NFL than my entire college career. So I ended up,
you know, playing a lot, but special teams was the
role that got me there, and that's really where I
defined my career in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, it's the more you can do when you're
a teamer, and you know I was. I was kind
of a teamer for you know, for like three three
four years of my career. Three years of my career,
I wasn't like a core teamer like you guys, you
court teamer plays on everything you're except field goal if
you're a smaller guy. You know, Like I was always
kickoff punt return, and then I had a situation where

(31:00):
I would be PP on punt, you know if someone
went down, and because of that, we drafted Nate because
what's his name got hurt and I was playing PP.
And then two years later we fucking are whatever we
drafted you. You know that you became the PP. But
you know, being a core teamer. Explain that mentality, like
to people they don't understand, Like, explain the life of

(31:23):
a special teamer where your job is maybe sixteen plays
a game, seventeen plays a game, five plays a game
periodically through the game, sudden change, quick out of nowhere
when you have to do it, and then knowing what
you have to do to back up other guys. Like,
explain a life of a special teamer.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, I think the most stressful part is probably you're
on the list of what seems to be the more
replaceable guys on the team, So you have like stress
there because it's like, you know, they could get rid
of me easier. But I think you know the other
stresses I need to know everything on defense as the
free safety and the strong safety and the dime, you know,

(32:09):
because sometimes I actually play dime and then the big
Nickel if we had that in so I need to
know all that because if one person gets hurt, I'm
in on somewhere and all that stuff. And on top
of that, as like a play caller for the special
teams like the PP and stuff like you know, those
are one play series like high stress, one moment, full speed,
and you got to be right every time, every time. Yeah,

(32:31):
and it's uh, the hardest part about playing was it's
not like you go out on defense and I'm the
free safety and it's a run play and I kind
of get my feet wet and you know, I'm backpedaling
back there, or you know, you release out to the
outside and they throw a screen to the other side
of the field like it's on you know, then once
that boss kicked, you got to go full speed. It's

(32:51):
hammered down.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It's controlled chaos.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Controlled chaos. He said, a lot of this crazy, So
you know it was it was the wall and it's
like like anything else in the NFL, it's a production thing.
So you got to not only be accurate, never make
a mistake, because mistakes in the kicking game are like
game changers, you know, like you block the wrong guy
on the punt and it's blocked. Like chance of losing

(33:16):
the game if you give up a block punt. So
you know you have that. But at the same time,
you got to be productive. And it was tough for
me in a position, you know, I had to do
most of my work on kickoff and then you know
pp where I could. But like you're not a gunner
where you get that just go eat the whole time.
You got to sit here and get everybody right. And
I think that's something for me that I you know,

(33:37):
really took ownership on. You know, Bill was big on
you know ownership with you know the leaders on you know,
offense and Tom and you guys making sure everybody knew
what they had and the defense with Dev and High
and all those guys like making sure everybody knew. And
I've kind of felt that same responsibility with the kicking game,
and I think it was easy for me to take

(33:58):
that role. Seriously, when you have a coach that I mean,
remember we'd watch we'd watch games after the game on
you know, Monday, or whatever, and he'd show special teams
clips like more than offense and defensive clips because I
think a lot of times he wanted that buy in
from the team, but a lot of times, you know,
the offense would go do their offensive meetings and if

(34:19):
they didn't see this from him, they weren't gonna see
all the work Slate was doing, Brandon Bolden, Brandon Kings,
some of these guys that were making play. So he
would make it a point to really show that stuff.
And that always made me feel good about it and
made me feel like my job was important and it
doesn't feel like, you know, you have to be humble
to play special teams when you play a Bill Belichick team,

(34:39):
because he shows that same level of urgency and importance
with the kicking game as he does with anything else.
And so, you know, it made me feel like my
role really was important and I kind of became a
leader in that and you know, just obviously grew. But yeah,
that one play series is electric and you just got
to go and it's it's literally every play is like

(35:01):
kind of like a little fight. It is, you know,
and I will say this about you when you were
back there returning though it was just like something about
the like the interior guys were like like Edel's was
back there, like we got a chance. And I know
I'm dead ass because you get guys back there, like
you know they're gonna fair catch it, yeah, or you
know they're kind of like a one cut to the

(35:21):
sideline and they're gonna get their six or eight and
run out of bounds like you were trying to hit
home runs every time. And I remember, dude, I would
just when I knew you were back there, it would
give me something a little more like to to try
to win because I'm like, this is gonna be a clip.
Edels is gonna take it to the crib. I'm gonna
have a sweet block. I remember just blasting somebody got
called for a block in the back, like one time,

(35:42):
just trying so hard because I think I think, no,
that was that U. You didn't you didn't house it
or nothing, but I smoked, buddy. But it was like
I got called for a block in the back. I
had very few of those, so I didn't care.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
But like you can never get see as a return,
you get mad and I would joke, but you can
never get mad at a guy working his ass off
for you, like if a guy's holding or blowing someone up,
Like I know, the two guys that got to my
touchdowns called back Dane Fletcher and Patrick Chunk. Am I mad, no,
because you know that they're working their ass off for
you to get your shit.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you can never
get mad at a guy trying hard.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, but man, like you know you talked about, you
get few opportunities, and I played on field goal block,
so I get about twenty to thirty snaps a game,
but a lot of them, like you know how many
you know, punt returns are r fair catches just because
you know we're either rushing the pun or whatever, and
so a lot of those plays don't come up. So
when you get the opportunity, it's like it's gotta happen,

(36:41):
you know what I mean. So you know you send it.
But we're part of some weird We had some really
good units with with you back there returning, and then
in twenty nineteen we set a franchise record for block
punts in a season. Yeah. I just remember being in
there with Joe Judge. That was the thing. I would
just break down the previous week the team we're gonna play,

(37:02):
and I'd be like, I think this guy's the fish,
and I think we should do this, this and this.
And then on Monday, me, him and Slate would sit
in there and we talk about, you know, what we
want to do, and a little bit on Slate there,
Joe would come up with some of these Joe came
up with some really good stuff, but he also came
up with some crazy shit and he'd ask Matt and
Matt would be like, yeah, I see what I see
what he's saying there. And then I'd have to be

(37:23):
the guy that'd be like, Matt, you don't believe there's
no doing that. And then I had to actually be
the asshole. And then Joe'd be like what and I'd
be like no, Joe, like we can't do that. And
then Slate would be like, yeah, I see what Nate's
saying like and I'm like, it's like, come on, man.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
So that Joe Judge the Special Teams coordinator. So when
are you guys talking?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
This is this is usually on Monday, So Monday before
Monday or Tuesday, I'd come in.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
You guys would come in and have a powwow.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, I and and when I went to New
York with Joe, it just became a habit. And I
would I would have the breakdown ready on Monday, and
I would give, you know, three to four rushes that
I think we should do, and then him and I
would talk the next day and then we'd install it
going afterwards. But we started that in New England. And
but YE had sometimes on some like we would do.

(38:12):
He'd have some kickoff returns. I remember that we're just
like insane. I'm like, man, we can't do this, and
don't sit here and co sign this.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I remember what Bill used to say. And Joe's one
of them, I guess because he'd always look this fucking
special team coordinator is gonna do some triple fucking reverse
this that he's just trying to get his name in
the paper. Like you remember, even say shit like that.
Joe would be trying to design ship to get fucking
ESPN highlights.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean ship franchise record in block punts next year.
He's the head coach of the New York Know, now.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
What's your best Slate story in those meetings or something
or anything?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Because I love Slate, you know, I when I talk
about slaving myself. It's usually the Batman and Robin and
he was he was Batman for sure, but you know,
Slate was always like our spiritual flag bearer, you know,
and and give us the raw raw and the and
the make you feel yeah. And then I was the
guy that's like, hey, that's wrong, like you need to

(39:10):
do it this way, you know. I was that guy,
and we played off of each other very well. He
was the put his arm around you. I was the
you know, you're you're just not gonna make it here
if you can't do this, Like that's the type of
conversations I have. But with Slate, man, I got from
the things that would come out of that guy's mouth
on the field when how good of a you know

(39:30):
person he is. He was capable of some stuff, but
he uh.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
My.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
My favorite stories are definitely in those meeting rooms with
Joe when Joe would come up with some crazy stuff
and I'd look at Matt because I knew he was
gonna just yeah, Joe, yeah, I can see what you're saying.
And then I just have to be like, man, we
aren't doing that, and then like in front of Joe
and yeah, Slate, Slate's so funny, bro. But me and him,

(39:55):
I mean, we went through every play together for the
whole time I was there. We were in every meeting
to together. We went through the coaches together. You know,
we we lean on each other a lot. You know,
I would do everything I can as a play caller
on punt to try to release him as best as
I could. You know that that that pump protection got
very elaborate towards the end of my career because I could.

(40:18):
I knew what was going on so well. And usually
you get a lot of young guys that just send
the snapper right, send the snapper left, you know, six
MANI box or eight man box or whatever, and solid yeah, solid,
solid left and uh san France. But you would get
to the point where I could put put Slater in motion,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
We could bring in a don't make me bring up
the dude. Hey, I know PP calls date. No, I'm
talking about I'm talking easy, easy, Hey, bring him man,
we got corner roll over here. I see that over there.
You ain't getting that corner roll?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Come on, all right now, I'm talking about letting Slate.
I'm talking about letting Slate run. Get him on that
gunner motion, let him run. But no, we just we
did a lot together. The things that stick out in
my mind were those, you know, outside of the field,
you know, other than playing in Miami in September, running
down on the first two kickoffs, sitting on the bench,
well you know, you guys are out there, and we

(41:13):
just look at each other, like, fuck, are you tired?
And he's like, yeah, are you And I'm like yeah,
you know, like with that full tilt in in September, in.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
September in Miami. He's always tough. We lost that game.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
We lost every game in Miami. Dude, I don't know, dude.
I just remember a couple of times they'd have the shades,
they'd have the sprayers, and we just I'd hear Matt breathing,
you know, I had that asthma or whatever, and like,
good dog, and we'd look at each other. Give you
the big eyes he'd give those big guys, you know
he did, and uh, yeah, me too, bro, you're good.

(41:44):
But we just we went through it.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Man.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
He was He was a great player to aspire to be,
to aspire to compete with, and you know, to lean
on each other as leaders as we got older, and
you know, very thankful for him. He's my guy.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, he's He's the best teammate ever. We'll be right
back after this quick break. What's up with Bill fucking
drafting and getting guys that are two sport athletes? You,
Steve Neil fucking Hogan, what's going on? I arsatility.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I can't speak for Bill as he would say.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
What's your best Bill story?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Anything?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh man, even Bill's story? I mean that takes me
to the Olympics, honestly, what is it?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, how does this conversation go?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So obviously, you know, rugby was still in the background
of my mind. I'm on the Patriots. I thought I
would play in the NFL for two or three years
and get booted and I'd go back to playing rugby.
And here I am. Make it at work. Right, we
win the Super Bowl versus Seattle, we come back, you
know two thousand and Rugby got announced into the Olympics

(42:51):
in like two thousand and nine, so it was always
on my radar. Yeah, it's gonna be in the Olympics,
but we never Yeah, but we never you know, we
had to still qualify. I didn't think all that twenty
fifteen rolls around. We just won the Super Bowl, USA
qualifies for the Olympics, and I'm like, oh shit, like

(43:12):
they're going. And at that point I was obsessed. You know,
We'd be in meetings and I'd be daydreaming about you know,
just Dyson, dudes, U Scissors, Caisars, Switch Sweechman. But no,
I just kind of became obsessed with it. And then
in twenty fifteen, we made to the AFC Championship versus Denver.

(43:33):
You know, obviously that game didn't go how we wanted
and within like three days and I was in a
contract year, so I was going into my second contract
after that. I knew Bill would be calling pretty soon,
and you know, eventually he does and we get the

(43:53):
contract stuff figured out, and I'm like, I gotta talk
to him about this Olympic thing. You know, I was
really worried about it because like previously, like when I
was a rookie, Jeff Damps, you remember him, he wanted
to go to the Olympics. And Bill was like, a
He'm playing football if you go to the Olympics. And
he went, and I think he actually was on the
four by one hundred, yeah for one, but he never
played football again after that, and I was like, I

(44:14):
got a good thing going here, like I don't want
to mess this up, and you.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Made play though he never he never Yeah, too young,
he didn't have enough time exactly, but that's what I
had seen from him.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I saw Bill say no, and I'm like, you know,
I'm not so sure, so you know, I'm worried about it.
But I I called Bill. We talked about well, he
called me about the contracts.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Do you have his numbers?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Him saved that as like coach b B. Bill Belichick,
coach coach b B.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, well, you know, whatever works for you anyway. So
he calls about the contract. We get that square and
then like I just remember at the end, I just
avoided it the whole conversation. I was like, so, Bill, like,
there's this other thing I wanted talk to you about. No,
and he was like close, probably didn't even know. And

(45:06):
then I was like he's like, he's like, what what's up?
He's like, what what do you got? And I'm like, so, like,
rugby is in the Olympics and the USA qualified, and
I feel like I gotta go do this. And I
was like waiting for his response, and right away though,
he was like, yeah, go ahead, and it was just

(45:27):
like what, go ahead? And he's like, yeah, I mean
I know how much rugby means you and you'll be
representing the country if you make it, and then you
know that'd be great, go for it. And I was
just like well, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
We hung up, and then like, you like, is the
contract still good?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah? So so we hung up, and then like an
hour or two later, he calls me back and he's like, hey, Ny,
so this rugby thing, it's not like you're going sailing.
I'll ever get it. It's not like you're going sailing.
You know, we got to put something.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's not like you're going fucking sailing exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's better. And and he's like, you know, we got
to put something in your contract if something haven't see
you And I said absolutely. But I was at the
point where I was expecting a no. And then I
was like I'm doing this anyway, and I was gonna
come back as a free agent and to go with
a contract, you know, you know, it just couldn't have been.
I never thought it would work out that way. So

(46:19):
I obviously end up going and then you know, just
a piggyback that while I actually made the team and stuff,
and we can talk about that if you want, But
when when I played in the Olympics and Bill had
you guys stop training camp to watch me in the
team room, I mean, I want to know what your
perspective was on that if you remember it. But for

(46:40):
him to do that because I was one of the
guys on the team and it was important, and to
stop training camp to do that, and to have everybody
wear the Ebner shirts out there like Stevie b made up,
I mean, and and mister craft support just like the
Patriots organization and that like brotherhood and support like first class.
You know. They they didn't have to do that. Bill

(47:01):
didn't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
No, it was not a doubt.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
That was so awesome. I mean, we were so happy
for you.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
So what was that like when he Because I'm obviously
in real so I wasn't you know.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
There, but what you just we just we just had
he we did like one of those movie things, yeah,
I mean where he got a bunch of food and ship. Yeah,
we all sat in there and we watched it. No
one knew what the fuck we were watching. Really have
to dudes, you're everybody what Yeah, you know what I mean.
But it was fucking it was fun. It was a
team and building moment to support one of our guys. Yeah,

(47:31):
and Bill was always really good about that, especially if
it had something to do with support in America.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
You know, Bill loved the America stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, that had to be awesome to have his support though,
Like it had to be a weight off your shoulder
going into transitioning into a mindset of getting into the Olympics.
Now take us through that. How did you? How did
you try out? Someone call you? Did you fucking call them?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
So? I mean, obviously I knew some people because I
was playing at a high level and did your stuff,
and everyone knew I left. You know, Rugby lost a
good one to football, so I knew some contacts. Alex
Magilby's CEO of the MLR Free Jacks, the minority team
that me and Chung are with. You know, he was
a seventh coach before Mike got This is our third

(48:16):
team owner, right baby, Mark Cuban back to back, back
to back MLR champs though, you know, yeah we won
back to back. So but anyways, Mas was a coach
before Mike Friday. Mike Friday was the head coach when
I was there. And you know, Mags put a call
in to Mike saying Nate wants to come. And there

(48:36):
had been a number of NFL guys try to go
play sevens. You just didn't hear about it because they
didn't make it very far. But I the fitness is
I don't think they know what they're getting into. And
the IQ thing I told you about now, for me,
I played my whole life. I knew how to play
the game, and but it had been six years since
I played competitively at Ohio State and the CRC and sevens,

(48:59):
and so I hadn't played for six years.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You're playing sevens, not fifteens. We played fifteens as a kid.
And did you ever play sevens?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah? I played seven So what's the difference fifteen on
fifteen on a soccer field or seven on seven on
a soccer field. Oh, it's that simple, and it's that
much space, and it's a lot of running, a lot
of running, So especially at the international level, it's it's
it's insane. So basically I put a call into Mags.
He talked to Mike Friday, Mike's like, yeah, you know,

(49:26):
we'll see another football guy. And but I had that
rugby background, so I got a little bit more leeway.
And a lot of the guys on the team, you know,
Zach test Danny, Barry met Danny, They've all played against me,
so they knew.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I could play a little bit forgot Testy.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah. So about three or four weeks after the AFC Championship,
got the okay from Bill. I'm in tu la Vista.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You know, I'm over here and staying in the last day.
Are you nervous because you going on a season? You're
kind of bangy?

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I mean, yeah, my thumb was. I did have a
surgery on my thumb. But like it was more like
I knew the fitness and there's no way to get
fit other than just beat yourself down to a pulp
and do it again and again and again until all
of a sudden you're just fits.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
No fucking pill. Yeah, you's no potion. You just gotta
go fucking condition.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah that's it. Yeah, that's exactly. There is no pill,
and that's and it's just it was just at a
whole other level, and I knew what it was going
to be like, but it was even more than I
probably anticipated. So I get there four or five weeks
after the AFC Championship and they just start beating me down,
you know, And I just went through it. And I
was not in shape. You know. We would do some

(50:39):
stuff where I was really strong for six seconds, you know,
ten seconds. Yeah, but they'd be like three minute sessions,
you know, Danny'd have me folded up by the time
we were done. I'd have them at first. Then I
just would run out of gas. And I really had to,
you know, break through that. And that took that took
six eight weeks to really get where I needed to
get to. And for me to play at the level
I wanted to play it, I need to be fit. Yeah,

(50:59):
you can't play that game. Oh you knew how to play,
you're good and all that if you ain't fit, and
none of that happens. So you ain't breaking out, you're
not cutting out of your you know, breaks in a
two minute drill if you're not in.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Shape to do it without a doubt. So explain that
to people that the fitness of football compared to rugby.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
It's not even close. Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I mean it's like dragsters versus Formula one.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
It's it's like, you know, it's like it's like the
one hundred meter dash and it's like a four hundred
meter dash with an up down every ten yards, so
like hurdles or an up down every ten yards. It's
just the hurdles is too close. It's it's a lot
because you're in and you never get a break, and
you're and you're constantly going. We'd have you know, seven

(51:45):
minute a halfs fourty minute games. You'd run over two
and a half miles in that period while you're tackling people. Yeah,
you know, it's just it's a lot. So it was
really about getting in shape. I'm there for two weeks.
They send me to Hong Kong to play in this
vitational tournament where the main team is playing in the
seventh World Series in Hong Kong, and I'm playing in
this you know, invitational international tournament in some random stadium.

(52:10):
I stayed with some random dude from England. They got
me on the back of a plane for fifteen hours,
just like stuck where you used to like first class.
I just got the whole experience, you know. I had
a Yeah, I had a roll with butter on it
for my nutrition. I was like, Ted would love this. Ted. Yeah,
So I do this tournament in Hong Kong and then
you know, someone I got hurt. The next week were

(52:32):
playing Singapore and Singapore was my debut with the with
the with the men's sevens team, and I was and
Singapore was like one hundred and five degrees and I
wasn't fit enough yet. I scored a couple of times,
but I got smoked a couple of times, and I
made a couple of bad decisions, and I think early
on the hardest thing for me was getting out of
that football mindset that Bill Belichick don't turn the ball over,

(52:54):
you know, and you can't play rugby that way like,
And there were a couple of times, like I remember
one time I had act test like I just need
to catch and pass, but I was like, ah, this
might not get through, and I kind of held it
and then Buddy smoked me too, and I'm like, looking
back on the tape, it's like, you gotta let that go.
And there was just too much football in me to
like not mess up that Bill Belichick, don't don't mess up,

(53:15):
don't mess up. And it took me a while first
to get fit, but then to like let that go.
And you know, once I let that go about six weeks.
You know, we had a six week long Olympic training camp.
It took me all summer to kind of get in there.
But you know, we had a tournament in France somewhere.
So I'm traveling all over the world all summer while

(53:37):
you guys are training, and that that tournament in France
was like, you know, I kind of I kind of
let it all hang out because I was kind of
my last one. And you know, then we got to
Olympic camp and I was like, I was fit. My
give a fuck meter was really low because I had
to be and I kind of found myself. And then
on Olympic camp, I really like was starting the ball

(53:58):
and it kind of got to the point where, you know,
there's thirty plus guys and they only picked twelve to
make this roster. Yeah, and you know, I hadn't played
for a while. I really wasn't coming on yet. It
was kind of like, he can play, but.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Are these guys looking at you like, oh, the football guy,
of course, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
And then when I'm come to play football, I was
the rugby guy. You know, I was always somebody else,
but they definitely were like, you know, he's the NFL guy.
I think they were more worried about it than I
was at first, but I was just worried about that conditioning. Yeah.
But anyways, I really came on in that Olympic camp
and was like myself and they were you know, it
was kind of I had to show that I was

(54:33):
more than capable because any question marks they got to
go with the guy who's been there. And I think
I got a lot of flack at first from the
rugby community, like oh, this is a publicity stunt to
have the Super Bowl kid come in. But then once
I started to play and it was like, oh he's
he's actually legit. It was kind of like we silenced
that pretty good in the Olympics. So yeah, man, And

(54:54):
then I'd say the biggest mistake of my life if
I have like one mistake of my life, one regret,
I don't really live with regrets, you know, Like that's
why I walked onto the football team because I didn't
want to wonder. That's why I went to the Olympics,
so I didn't.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Want to wonder what it would have been like, what's
the one regret.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
The one regret is as soon as we were done
in Rio, I stayed one day and I like ran
back the Bill and the Patriots to come to training camp.
And that was the biggest mistake I have in my life.
Oh how did I I should have stayed at least
a week, Like, Oh, we got some team functions. I
got to be a part of, like and enjoy the
Olympic experience. Like I just got on a plane like

(55:29):
a day later, I was at training camp.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
You just want to hang out the Olympic village, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Looking back on it, that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
How was Olympic village?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
It was? It was crazy. I mean eight thousand athletes
from all over the world. The food hall was the
craziest thing because you got countries from everywhere that they
don't all eat cheeseburgers, you know what I'm saying. So
you got American station, you got a Chinese station, you
got like everything for every cuisine because people eat different stuff.
I always thought that was funny. But yeah, man, there

(55:59):
was just the buildings. It all looked good, but man,
nothing worked, Like the beds were ship like, the water
like I heard they poured cement down the water pipes
of like the Australian teams, you know, their water didn't
work there to go to another building, like it was
just it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Now did you walk around the village with like your
USA gear on?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Oh yeah, that's all you had though, was your team like.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
As as Americans? Like, people are looking at you like fuck.
These people are like oh they're.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Some of them were and some of them weren't. You
know how it is?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
What do you mean they said fuck you?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
The French.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
The French don't like you. I don't know, they don't
like us.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Maybe it's a rugby thing. I don't know. But the
thing in the Olympic village is like trading pins. So
you get a bunch of USA Olympic pins. So like
that's how the players interact with each other. Is they
all want you try to collect as many pins as
you can. Should have collected a few more pins, is
what I'm saying. But ran back to training camp with
you guys. Moses Cabrera's like, we know you did a

(56:59):
lot this summer. We're not gonna go too hard on you.
I get back. He says that to me. The next day,
I'm in full pads doing the bout run for time,
and he didn't tell me how far to go because
I hadn't done bout runs before. But he just he
just he just wanted to.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
See where I would get, because where'd you get? I
can't what he was doing, and you wanted to see
what rugby track.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I went well over one hundred yards past what we
were supposed to do. It was close to nine hundred
something like that. I didn't have a pace or nothing.
I was just running. Then I was done, and I
was like, I'm actually breathing a little hard. That was
kind of hard, and he's like, yeah, you're good, you're
no conditioning test. But I ran like one hundred yards
further than we were so outrun. What an asshole, though,
Like why would you maybe do that?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
So usually the bout run you have to run for
three minutes yep, and you have to get seven hundred back.
You just got to keep on running for three minutes,
but you have to get at least seven hundred and
fifty yards and three minutes or something.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, it's like seven forty and it's like it's something
like that, and you gotta like the skilled position had
to get there, and I remember I went well over that, like, yeah,
fifty somethings.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Always tough for us because like Nate said, you know,
we're trained for thirty seconds on, thirty seconds off.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, that was cake for me after what I had done.
I thought that was a joke.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Now, are you a better rugby player or a better
football player?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
That's tough to say. That's a great question. I don't know.
I mean, I've never been asked that. I mean it's
tough because like towards the end of my football career,
like I feel like I knew what I was doing
pretty good. You know, I had a second team All
Pro year. You're a great teamer, played for a little bit,
but I was good at rugby man, and it just

(58:37):
I think if I had played rugby my whole life,
it would have been like, I don't know, I just
leaned towards rugby rugby.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
You know what could an NFL guy learn from rugby?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
All these laterals do you see like Travis Kelcey and
all these guys, it's like, I like, really coming into
the game, I.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Think it's great. I think they could learn a lot
from tackling, especially in space. You know, it's like one
thing when it's third and one and you know it's
two back set or something and the defensive line's got
to take on the guys. But you know, some of
the open field tackling, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Gallup callum.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, we did a lot of really good gallo. We
did a lot of really good stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
From your feet in the ground, fucking guy, you're done.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
We had a lot of good tacklers too, I bet
and no with the Patriots, Oh yeah, because we did
some good tackling stuff. And I just think they could
learn a lot from tackling. I think a lot of
guys would learn what like really being fit is, because
you know, a lot of guys think they're in shape,
but I mean, I guess we are for football. But
it's just like your ability to never get tired is

(59:36):
the greatest feeling in the world, that is.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I mean I felt like that from like twenty six
five to like thirty twenty nine, twenty nine, I started
getting tired, Like I could see in my conditioning. When
off season you start getting tired from injuries or whatever
it is, or you're older, you notice that the older I.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Just start getting bodies, just the wheels fell off at
thirty two, and I held on for another year and
they were just completely off at thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
What's what's the difference between an NFL locker room and
a rugby locker or.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
That's what else what I was gonna say. You asked
what could guys learn from from rugby guys, and I'd say,
just culturally, it's just like, no me guys, Like they're
just nonexistent in the rugby world. Like the guys are
always such good guys, and the culture is so good,
and it's such a team first mentality, and I mean,
we do that. But like you see the Prima Donnas

(01:00:30):
in the NFL, and like, just like the amount of
meanness in the NFL is crazy when I see a
whole other side of it in a in a team
sport like rugby, where there are guys that control the game.
But you know, I think you really understand rugby, like
it takes everybody to make a play. Go yeah, you know,
and we get you know, some waters your position seems

(01:00:53):
to be the Prima Donnas, but like I was, not you,
but your position, and you know, they they forget, they
forget there's an off offensive line blocking for Tom and
you know, or whoever, Tom's throwing the ball and you've
got other guys are running clear out routes and then
people are blocking down field for him, and then they
get in the end zone and it's just like I
did that, Like fuck you, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I know there's a lot of that now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, So that that's probably the biggest thing I take
away from it is how vastly different the cultures are
for two pretty much team sports, you know. And you know,
I would argue though in the NFL, you almost kids
come up in that though. You gotta be noticed, you
gotta you know, you gotta be about you and let
everybody see how good you are. And we build that
culture in American sports because that's what makes it big

(01:01:38):
and makes money. And you know, rugby is not like that.
So yeah, man, it's it's a great sport.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You guys have fun songs you sing or anything you
have a song like, or do you guys drink beers
with the other teams of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Jack's post game like they do like a post game
song after they win, and they these songs. I don't know,
it's that they're kind of hot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's kind of like our Lucker room. And I get
on the mic before practice. It's her flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
You just ruined the vibe for everybody in the We're
all getting ready to go, and then then here comes
Edel's and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
We're like, god, damn it, fake microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, just your pants on, no pads yet, just ready
to go, everybody. Just you made people laugh though I
don't know if they were vibing, but they were laughing. Oh,
you brought the juice, Nate. What's your favorite jewel story? Man? Personally,
my favorite jewel story is my favorite one is I
don't even know if you remember, but it was like
when we had a summer conditioning run and it was

(01:02:42):
like me, you, Slate, Devin and Pat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Oh that's a that's a fast group.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
And it was a fast group. And I just got
off the Olympics. I just got off Olympics and Edel's
and I love the story because it just shows how
fucking competitive he is. But like this is this is April, summer,
in April or May, and like everybody's just We're out
there on like a Wednesday doing conditioning and like Slate
and Devin powder just like yeah, And I was like, okay,

(01:03:10):
you know, I'll chill out, and you just kept like
we did like the first two reps, and you just
kept running in front of me, and I was like,
don't do that. I mean, you had a little beef anywhere.
It was like, don't do that, bro, and you're like, Bro,
I ain't worried about that ship. And then I just
put the pedal down for like another Like remember we
would do like eighty yards, you know, forty yards, like
one hundred and fifty yards. It was like it would change,

(01:03:31):
but it was like two thousand yards. Yeah, so we
only had done like two reps, so we were only
like one hundred and fifty yards in and I was like,
fuck it, I'm gonna bury this dude, because we were
we were going at it, and you were just like, man,
I ain't worried about all that shit. And I pretty
much sprinted the whole thing and you were with me,
but you were done. But you spilled it, bro. You

(01:03:52):
were like so like just the competitiveness and that because
like I really was running too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
You just came off the like this mother, come out here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
And then I just remember we were finishing so much
faster than Devin and Pat. And then in the back
they're like, fuck those guys, they can do that. And
me and you were just at it. And by the
end though, like I really put up, pedal down, but
you spilled it so hard that you collapsed. And I
just just like, I'm pissing my things. I'm not even controlling.

(01:04:21):
I can't even control if I do. Remember that. We're like,
I was so tired.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I went and fucking barked up the tree and the
guy who just played in fucking rugby seven's Olympics, and
I was like, fuck this, dude, Let's see how fast
you are because I used to we used to condition.
We were two of the conditioners. Met him and Slate
would condition fast, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
We were trying to get back at the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
You're always the rabbits, right, and so I'm like fuck that.
And he would run and we'd be running our thing,
and I would get right in front of him at
the very end at the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
End, yeah, everything, and I was like I mad too
because I'm like that too. And then we just both
were like fuck, you know, fuck you. I just took off,
but you were right there. And then at the end
of the respect, at the end, you were done peeing
yourself and I was like, I'm actually tired, like good ship,
but I remember that. That's my favorite story you because

(01:05:15):
you could have tapped, you could have just not been
like that, and you know, Devin patted it back in
the back, but like, nah, you just you can't help it.
That dog's just in there and it's you just can't
contain it if you tried. And I just love that
and uh no, but outside of that, I mean, yeah,
him rapping in the locker room just absolute clown, Just

(01:05:37):
just a clown. Definitely bipolar, emotionally emotionally unstable to say it,
to say the least, but you kind of know what
you're getting into. And when he's like that, you just
are like, ah, he's just having a day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Well sometimes you know what, people don't realize you had
a standard there. Yeah, and if the ship didn't go right,
I was pitt off like if I am a good practice, Fuck, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Mad and he's mad at everybody like it's their fault.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know, and just you just get mad like fuck,
we wasn't a good enough practice because they put that
standard on us. It ruined my fucking cheerios, It ruined
my morning, ruined everything because we didn't. We didn't fucking
do good on two minute drill at the end of
the fucking practice, you know. So, but a lot of
a lot of that was I still work well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I mean, that's the thing about that culture was you
had guys like yourself, and you know, I like to
think I worked hard and Slay and dev and those guys.
But like even like a Tom Brady who's like has
every excuse in the world to take it easy, and
I'm older, I don't feel like it today. Like that
dude was out of practice early warming up. He was

(01:06:47):
always in the facility early, like he worked as hard
as anybody. And it's like, that's him. And if if
he's doing that, I gotta do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
And that was after.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Exactly and he and it's just like when you get
that guy doing that, and even Bill, like Bill did
what he could do. He wasn't a player, but he
was there early. He knew everything about every position, and
you have this you know, he's preaching hard work and
all that. But then you got it walked out from
the leadership. And then guys like yourself who were big
time leaders and myself who grow up in that system.

(01:07:18):
And then then then we just can't help it. We
just work like that, and it's just this trickle down effect.
And then you know, I go to like New York
with Joe and it's just like there's none of that.
And then it's just like you just fracture so much easier.
You're just such a less resilient team because of you know,
just that difference of how hard guys are willing to

(01:07:39):
work on one end, and then you know, I don't
understand why we're working that's hard on the other end,
and it's it's why we were good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Bill broke me once on those bout runs. Remember he
meet us doing out of the blue during the middle
of a practice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Middle of the practice. Yeah, those were paths on. Yeah,
with those hit different in the middle of practice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I don't know why did he make us do that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I don't know we were doing. And then all of
a sudden we had to do a three minute about
in the middle of the right sit here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
We just ran two minutes. Bill, I'm dying. I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
My back was tightened up too, you know sometimes when
you run those because you're not used to running that
much that far.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, that long, Yeah, with the wait yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Know what I mean, I was locking up on it.
It was fucking training camp, so it was hot as fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, and you already probably put in five thousand meters practice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah at least. Well, let's go back. It is the
sports world of twenty sixteen. The Summer Olympics. What was
going on? Michael Phelps won five gold medals, one silver,
and Phelps face hashtag Phelps face swept the internet. What
was oh the Phelps face.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
He was when he was staring down the South African news.
Did you get to see boxing in front of him?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah? Man, he uh cool at that At that point,
he was already he was that guy. And you know
I felt bad for him because he's got to do
lead the opening ceremonies. You know, we get on the
buses as team. You say, it's not like he gets
private bus. He's on the bus with all of us.
But some of these guys are just like, these athletes
are just swarming him, you know, like want a picture

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with him, sign and ship and he's like, these are
my USA teammates. But you know, so he's just getting
swarm Nicest guy ever you know does the opening ceremonies
like the next day, he's got to go swim, like
just the And I remember the opening ceremonies was like
almost a week before the rugby and I was like
after the opening ceremonies, I was like, I'm tired. I'm
thank god. We don't even you know, a game or nothing.

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The next day stand in USA is like the United
States is like last because of the U and it's
we're waiting forever, standing in line to go through. It
amazing experience going through the opening ceremonies, but what he
went through with the team and and and the attention
and and just how long it was and how much
walking to turn around and go swim the next day,

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like like hell, yeah, dude, kudos for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Like, man, it's kind of like that Tom shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, you know, because after a game you got Tom,
every guy wants to take a picture with Tom. Yeah
you know later in his career, fucking guy picked him,
wants to wants them to sign the ball you picked
from him in the game. Like those guys have to
be creazy, Like those super superstars that are the best,
the greats they get, they're such crazy compartmentalizers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, Like they're kind of like psychos.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
My favorite tom one was when we were in Mexico City.
It wasn't like players or nothing, but I just remember
we got off those buses at Mexico City and mister,
you remember that and they were just dude, Steve Goskowski
and Ryan Allen and just do that. The whole we
were dying laughing bus too, Gronk, all of us were
back there, just mister. It was so funny.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
We said that the whole week. We beat the crab
out of Las Vegas too. Yeah. I get they were
Oakland at the time, but I'll never forget that. Like,
we got off those buses and they were just one
and nothing, just just Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
That was so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I would we didn't did a documentary that was That
was a cool experience.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah, really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
So Mombiles won four gold medals and one bronze. She's
a beast. Same bolt completes the triple triple three golds
in three events, one hundred, two hundred and four by one.
We'll see him legend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, he's he was tall then I thought he would be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
He's fucking for a sprinter. Yeah, that's the new rate,
that's the new age sprinter.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It used to be sprinters or a little balls of muscles.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah, no doubt, I mean he yeah, he's special. And
then her, I mean she, Hey, what up?

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Were you there with the Lockley guy who got mugged?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah? How were we got? I was yeah, dude, that
was the like what was going on with that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Give us the load?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I really don't know. I you know, me like, I
don't like not a lot. It's gonna sway my attention.
But that was just like so it sounded like it
was a pretty phony, dramatic attention seeking thing. But I
don't know that what actually happens. I don't want to
like speak on it, but it it sounded pretty weird.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
What did he do he got jumped?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what
you're gonna have to I don't want to speak out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Yeah, we're not gonna speak out of pocket. Bars PK
helped Brazil the gold for Brazil in their hometown. That'd
be cool to watch. Did you watch any of those games? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
No, we went to some volleyball stuff. That's what I'm saying. Dude.
I should I should have stayed for should stayed for
a week and watch some events.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I mean, the little Bible's husbands got to go to
miss training camp. You're fucking playing in the goddamn gave me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I just I told you, biggest get home.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
He wasn't get home.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
It was my little Patriot way. Oh, I'll be right back,
you know, Like, what the fuck was I doing?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
See, that's why we're the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So yeah, but guys like Nate Ebner, the Patriot guy,
I should get back to the team. Screw the most
beautiful place in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
In the Olympics and watching the other events and maybe
going to the beach. Now, I gotta go back to
training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
And this is the year they debuted the rugby seven's
what was the coolest non rugby athlete basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I mean, yeah, we did some stuff with the basketball team,
and I just you know how dav loved Kevin Durant. Yeah,
I love taking a picture of Kevin and those guys.
They are amazingly tall, and it's like obviously, but it
just was weird standing next to him. But like we
were watching them practiceing, Kevin Durant just like kept bricking
it and I was just filming it and sending it
to dev. I like best ever yeah, Oh he was great.

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He was awesome. They were all great guys and they
were throwing the rugby ball around with us. It was
it was. It was pretty cool. The basketball team are dope.
They I don't know if they stayed in the Olympic
village because they couldn't have fit in the bed. It's
like I didn't have fit in the bed. I know
they couldn't have. But I mean, Michael Phelps was that
guy for me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
You had you had a moment with him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I talked to him for briefly. You know. I doubt
he remembers that, but like it was, you know, I
didn't want to be one of those people. But I
just knew after seeing how Tom has to go through it,
watching what he did with the opening ceremonies, how kind
he was to everybody. He could have easily been like nah, like,
but he was so nice to everybody. Great dude, man
and then just a dog when he got in the pool,
like just dominant.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Did you have any buzzby in the NFL guy, though, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Mean a little bit. A lot of guys want to
talk about what's the league? Like, you know, I was
gonna play in the league, you know, everybody told me
how they were gonna play in the league. Yeah, okay, yeah,
so you know, we we had a lot of conversations.
Everybody was really cool though. I mean a lot of
these sports aren't, you know, on the on the stage
that the NFL is. So you know, these guys, you

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got a lot more humble people that you know, just
are are more down to earth. So yeah, a lot
of good people and just so much respect across the
board because the best of what they do, regardless of
what it was, doing anything at an elite level like
that is uh, you know, you gotta tip your hat
to him. So, you know, a lot of a lot
of a lot of dolls out there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Hell yeah, I mean fuck, that's like the the collection.
That's like the dog pound. Yeah, literally the dog that's
the dog pound over there. What was the coolest Olympic perk?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
He got? Got a lot of cool swag, got some
sweet bags perk though.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
See he NFL guy, he got perk.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
You got the Ohio State perk. When you're from Ohio,
you live in Ohio state, and you live in Ohio,
you don't need any other perks. It's like gold baby,
It's gold.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
God's God's country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That's God's country.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
God's country out there, God's country. So no, I mean, yeah,
we got some pretty cool swag, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
So freaking let's go, Jackie break down the USA rugby team.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
I'll say the stage here, but Nate jump in and
love up on these dudes and give us the context.
But we talked about head coach Mike Friday earlier is
a twelve man roster, seven play but twelve traveled correct.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Wait a minute, you remember I used to wear the
rugby shorts to practice.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Yeah, so real quick, I'm I'm gonna tell this. So
after the Olympics, Mike Friday one to come see the
Patriots and how we like operated, you know, as an organization,
see what he could take from it. But you know,
we get into practice and he starts fanboying Jules. But
he didn't know, he didn't know who Jewels is. And
he came up to me. We were doing one on

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one tackling drill and you got a nice little goose
step on you, and Mike's like, who's the eleven, Who's
the who's the eleven? That's how you know he's British.
I can't, you know, do that English accident. But that's
how you talk about Ruby players. You know, your position
is your number and who's the eleven? And he just
kept saying that over and I was like, that's julian An.
He'd be good that that guy. We got to get him.
And I'm like, I don't think so, but he would.

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You would have been a hell of a playmaker, man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
He probably some of the official TV USA things they
went up. Balls would be hanging out. I'd be aring
him at practice and stuff. You know, it was so
funny to couch brother.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
You'd have been an elite player in the middle of
the feel when we needed someone to just make a
switch of direction and get an edge on somebody when
guys are kind of standing still with the ball. Your
your quickness would have been, you know, tough to deal with.
And you would have tackled too. Yeah, you'd have been
a great rugby player.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I would have been a mite.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I know you wouldn't. It would have been a nine
or a hooker, scrum half or fly half probably in sevens.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Wait they can you explain that to the non rugby
fan viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Scrumhouse a guy putting the ball in to the scrum
the the ten is the fly half who's kind of
like the quarterback, the distributor. Oh tight. You know you
got guys on the wing that are four to three
Jonathan Jones, Carl and Isle's just stupid fast light. But
you're more of like, I know, you're gonna tackle in
the middle, and your short area of quickness is you know,

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elite level. I want you in the middle, and and
you're gonna have a high motor. You're gonna work hard.
And the guys in the middle got to run a
lot to keep the spacing from gapping out because you
get tired and you just leave gaps to hitch up
the middle. So you gotta run all out side to side.
So you you definitely would have been and somewhere in
that middle space that Madison Hughes baby or Stevie Thomas
sin you know. But yeah, you'd have been definitely in there,

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you know, chopping it up when we needed somebody to
get a half break. Hell yeah. And then you'd be
doing that out the back someone's tackling you flip it,
you know, hit it, or you give it to me
to crash it up a little bit, or you give
it to one of them fast guys to finish after
you get halfway through. That's kind of what I did, is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I got I had a breakaway.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I know you did, but not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
From behind.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Carlin's like four to two fast.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, like Jeff Dempsey, Like, remember I did fast on Carlin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I played in the NFL for ten years and Carlin
was the fastest athlete I've ever been around. You know,
he's also one hundred and seventy pounds, but like he
he if you give him and like, you give him
a little bit too much space, like like Worthy, you
ain't catching him Worthy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
He's fast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, but imagine that guy. Honestly, that's how big is Xavior.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Worthy is the hunter on on a soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Field with with only seven guys defending, maybe even six
because one's sweeping. Yeah, there's just so much space if
he sits you down and takes you around the outside,
Like it's just their speed's different, bro, Like what about
Tyreek Hill his top ends? I mean, yeah, Tyrek's fast
as hell, So how would he be good? He would
be just fine. Yeah, he would be just fine. But

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I think he's shorter of your quickness too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
He's like that, he's elite.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yeah, he's he's he'd be he'd be good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Off topic. If you were in prime, If we were
in prime and flag football came in, would you try
to go to flag football? I would you would?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, I'm sure you would.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I want to go. I want to be Olympic village.
I want to see I want to see fucking other
countries and opening ceremony.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
That's so cool. It is cool play for Israel. We
can do the Maccabeer games. We could.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
We could do it together, fellow in our forties, in
our forties, Yeah right, you borrow hamstring? Got it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
When we're forty check you get into the team. This
was also we gotta, we gotta acknowledge. This was also
the season that the men's seven's upset New Zealand correct
mate uh fifteen qualifying year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah. So they they played in the last World Series
event leading into the Olympic year and they they they
won the London World Series event. So there's multiple series events,
like I said, Hong Kong I said, Singapore, France, London
was the last one, and the USA had won that

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last that first time we've ever won a tournament. It's
one thing to finish in the top four and go
to the Cup rounds where you're playing to go to gold.
But we had never done that. So for us to
do that leading into what would be the Olympics was
a really big deal.

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Wow, Like can you put that in NFL terms, US
beating New Zealand, Well, it's I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Mean in sevens, US beating New Zealand is not as
big as the deal as like we have yet to
beat them in fifteenth, so fifteen means is the big boy.
But I mean, just for us to win a tournament,
you know, when we've been a part of the series
for you know, twenty years and you you know, we

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finally get into the Olympics and then USA qualifies and
we win a tournament, I mean that momentum was was
really good, and you know, you start to see the
USA really can put it together. And then you get
guys like I'll let you get into this, Oh no,
I appreciate. You get guys like Harry Baker, who he
was two time, which you don't have up here, is

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two time Player of the World. So they pick a
player of the Series in sevens and he was he
was I think it was seventeen and eighteen or nineteen
something like that. But he was two time Player of
the World as an American.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
You know, so that those those things were so big
for rugby. And then obviously we lead into the women
winning a bronze medal this year, Like it's just it's
trend of that, dude. I mean, I don't know if
you watched the end of a little bit, Oh yeah, dude.
So the end of that game, the USA is like
losing in this there's no time left, and this USA
girl gets the ball and she basically stiff arms this

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other girl to her back and runs like eighty meters
to score with no time left.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
And then she had to she had to make the
kick to win it. Yeah, but just a stiffy to try,
stiffy to the back and then everybody chasing her, I
mean in the bronze medal match, like so awesome. But
it was huge because we've been in these Olympics now
this was the third one and we had medaled, and
you know, for the women to get go in there
and get it done, it's just huge for the game.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Who is who is your boy on the team, who's
your who'd you hang out with the most?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I would say probably Danny Barrett who's not up there,
which I mean, if you got thirty seconds, you need
a YouTube Danny Barrett.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
So I've been I've been dming with Danny. Yeah, he
wants me to ask you about the time you bitched out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
See I already told he couldn't wait to say that.
Well if if he wants to do that, so.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Said at the time he bitched out and I physically
dominated him in the wrestling conditioning.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
So we were I was talking about that at the
beginning when I first got there, you know, as actually
had him folded up pretty good for the first five seconds.
But it was like a three minute wrestling match, and
after like thirty seconds, dude, I was done. And this
dude was like ragged all of me around, and I'm
just like, fuck, I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
That is that a drill you guys get Yeah, we
just wrestled.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
So we would do these things called Yaka yards, and
they called him Yaka because guys would yack. Yeah, so
we would. It's forty five minutes of stations like that.
So for three minutes, me and Danny wrestle, and then
for three minutes we do updowns, and then for three
minutes you bear crawl with somebody on your back and
you just for forty five minutes. Oh, it's insane. But
I just remember I blew it out too. I was like,
I'm you know, and I had Danny up locked up,

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and then I'm just like, dude, blow the whistle, bro,
and They're like, you're not even halfway into this thing,
oh dude. And then we did another two rounds of
it and I just was done. Yeah, he got the
best of me there, but I since I got the
mic right now, we did have in those Olympics game
tryout games or whatever we had me and him had
a little one on one tackle session with him and

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the ball when he had the ball, and I'm just
gonna say I got the better of that that tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Who Danny Barrett.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
He also wants to talk about fake Paris in the
time that a coach had to play.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Oh, fake Paris. So when we went to so we
went to Hong Kong and Singapore. We came back and
then the last two events were Paris and then London.
So I went to Paris, played a little bit and
I had a coach with or coach. I had to
talk with coach Mike Friday about like I'm not playing enough,
and I need to get ready for the Olympics. So
they brought what's the B squad, which was the Falcons.

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So the Eagles are the main squad. Those guys went
on to London to play in that final tournament. I
actually went with the Falcons to play in what we
called fake Paris. So they told the whole Falcons team,
so we have like thirty guys on the roster, but
only twelve guys get selected for these big events. But
all these other guys need to play tournaments. So they
tell all these guys that aren't know on the main squad, Hey,

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we're gonna fly you out to Paris and you're gonna
play in the tournament. So we're all going to Paris.
And then we go down like two and a half
three hours south of Paris and this little town called
Tours Tours, France, and so we just all everyone just
started calling, Oh, we're in Paris, fake Paris. So we're
just so that we're in we're in this place, Tours,
and we played in this tournament and so many guys

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got hurt. We didn't have any more people that our
assistant coach had to put his cleats on and play
in the final game, and we was he couldn't run,
he's all, you know, and uh it. But it's just
that's rugby forore. You know, guys, coach puts his cleats
on and comes out with us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Who is the team? Matagine?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Could you imagine like chatty chatty chatty O putting his
cleats on and going out in practice both slate right now?
Huh slate's different.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Get it's different, but I think they can play still. Yeah, absolutely,
he's still hitting twenty one or something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Yeah, he's he's a freak.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
You want to get into these games there a little
bit the Olympics itself, so twelve teams in this thing.
The US is in pool A, Fiji, USA, Argentina, and
Brazil's the auto qualifier because they're the hosts.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
August. This is August, baby.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
You guys are in training camp uh ebbs over here
in Brazil August. First they get there, they got a
let's see here, twelve group play matches, six group play
matches in August ninth, tenth, and eleventh, so three day event.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
So it's for us. We were playing basically two games
a day.

Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
Yeah, that's crazy with sevens, two and a day.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Yeah, well some tournaments we played three a day.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Now, what's he's just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
No, it's just four it's to seven minute halves. Oh,
the whole game is like fourteen minutes, fourteen plus, so
usually extras, some extras. But before that, you had us
going to Florida. So we went down to Florida before
as like an Olympic warm up, and then we met
the All Blacks. Whoa, and it was just like us
in the All Black scrimmage for like two days, and

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I'd say, like, that's the best I've ever played in
my life. Like the Olympics was good and all, but like,
I like, played so good against All Blacks, Like I
thought at that point, I was like I need to
start every game, you know what I mean, Like I
played really well there. But yeah, then you know we
went from there, had had a week or so in
in Rio, and and then it's like you got three

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days tournament in six games. You gotta make it, make
it pop.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Would have been a Disney movie if you guys would
have beat the All Blacks in the final.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah, well they didn't. They didn't make it the they
didn't make it, not to the finals. So you're going
to talk you through this. So we've got this is
our pool, Fiji, USA, obviously, Argentina, and Brazil. Fiji is
the best team in the world in sevens and seven's,
Fiji is the best in the world. They've won because

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they just they grow up playing that game and they've
got this like connection where they'll just throw the ball
in a scenario where you just don't expect it and
the other guy seems to be right on it. Their
gameplay is so unorthodox but just flows so beautifully like
and they're all big and you know, you know, I
gotta show you the guy I was playing marking against

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when we played Fiji. But so we get this terrible draw,
really because Argentina is coming up as one of the
better teams in the world. I think we were ranked
ahead of them, but that's that was kind of skewed.
And then we get Brazil, which is like the home nation,
so you know they're gonna come out and play their
faces off because like they're hosting the olympicat So we
start out with Argentina. You know, they get out on us.

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I think I would say I think like the moment
was a little big. This is the first Olympics. It's
a big moment, and I think it's just like the
moment was a little big for some of the guys. Yeah,
and they get out like ten or fourteen, nothing on us.
And you know, I like to say I came in
at halftime, was an impact player. Got it. We were
winning with no time left, and I remember there was

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there was extra time though, Like so when we scored
the try, there was still a couple of second stuff.
So the ref wanted a kickoff, and so we did
a kickoff. We didn't you know, we didn't kick the
pair of myself like we try to go opposite. It
didn't go ten, which means automatically they get the ball
in the fifty and they quick tap it and we
were just scramble mode. One guy shoots up and like

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no time left, like we had the game one. We
just needed to get out situational ball where the is
our defense exactly. You know, I was a proponent. It's like,
there's no time left, let's kick it ninety and like
let's make it and let's make him go handy because
you know, it's just situational ball. It's just something we
didn't do. Anyways, they scored with no time left. That
that was. That was heartbreaking. So then we go play Brazil.

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I think that was the game the team watched. You
guys watched things Brazil.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
I remember what I remember that game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I scored it and got yellow carded in that game.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
Yeah, he wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
That s why you're so selfish for getting a yellow
card in that game, dude. This guy keeps dumbying. This
guy is running, he's kind of like not passing. I said,
fuck it, I'm laying this dude out. And right when
I made the decision, he let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
And you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
But I had committed to smoking this dude, and you
know I probably should have. He'd let the ball go,
pull off and just give him a shoulder. But I
buried him the quarterback and I broke his ribs out.
It was a good hit, but I got carded. And
he's right. I mean I shouldn't have done it. Was
it was a bad play, but you know we handled
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Can't win until you keep from losing, Yeah, until you
keep from losing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
So another bill is that's like the best one to me.
Can't win until you keep from losing. Didn't make any sense.
Until he started talking about him. Yeah. So then we
got to play Fiji, and we know we lost to Argentina.
So at this point we're like, we we we have
to win this game because they're the best, because we
we lost this one to Argentina and the top two
go through, so we have to beat Fiji and they're

(01:30:47):
you know, they're the best. And I mean you see
that score. We lost by five, like we you know,
we were we were in this game. We had this
game too, and that was a heartbreaker because we knew,
you know, we didn't we didn't get it done. And
then by point differential, the All Blacks actually were third
in their pool, but they had just a slight lesser
point differential or better than us, and they got to

(01:31:08):
go into the cup rounds. And so at that point
we were out of the medal rounds because and we
won the rest of our games, but you know, we
lost to what would be the gold medalist in Fiji.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
And Argentina goes to the semi final match to go
to the gold medal match and they're playing Great Britain
and they go to overtime. Britain won it, right, they went, yeah,
and they want Britain won in overtime against Argentina. Argentina
was gas from that ended up losing the bronze medal
match to South Africa. But they were that close overtime
to go into the gold medal match. So you would

(01:31:42):
have had in our pool both Fiji and Argentina. But
so Argentina doesn't get it done, great Britain ends up
going to the gold medal match Fiji beis some like
forty seven to five just destroys them. But like I
just say that because we had a very strong pool
and we had it with both teams and you know,
I really felt like we had a good team and
we had a chance to medal. It. It just it

(01:32:02):
just at that point got away from us. But uh man,
what a what a great experience, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Now, can you do some rugby for dummies for us? Okay,
what's the score? A score is called a try?

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
A touchdown is it? You gotta cross the angle, but
you have to actually touch the ball to the ground
with control.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Touchdown, Yes, that's where touchdown came from.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
You're brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
And then so it tries? How many points?

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Three?

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Try is five? The conversion no tree try ain't none
of that. Try is five points, lay a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Is trying to understand this?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Would do you want me to explain it? Try is
five points and the conversion is two. So in football,
the touchdown is six points. The extra point is one,
so in total you get seven like you would in football,
but the conversion is harder. So if you score in
the corner, you don't get to kick from the middle
of the field like in an extra point in football
every time, so you have to actually go from the sideline.

(01:32:57):
If you score on the sideline, you have to pull
it straight back and pull as far back as you want,
and then you got to drop kick it in sevens
through the upright.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
From cross the goal line close to the sideline. Yeah,
and I'm like, fuck, I'm not a really good kicker,
so I got.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
To bring this thing to You want to go to
the middle every time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
So I'm going to the middle. But what if I
lose the ball? It's not worth that, you know, So
if I lose the ball, is that is that considered?

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Yeah? No, we'll get it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Losing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Yeah, absolutely, we need those points. Touch it down, but
like sometimes you got to try to get it to
the center to make the kick easier. But at some
point you got to just like trust the kicker to
make the kick, but like, yeah, you got to touch
it down or it's not a try if I picked
you up or knocked the ball out of your hands
and took you out the back of the end zone,
like you know, it's yeah sort of yeah anyway, so

(01:33:46):
you you you basically you pass backwards in later or
no forward, no forward passes. The ball goes backwards and
you run forwards. And basically the reason the game continues
to flow is because of what's all the ruck. And
so when someone gets tackled, they place the ball back
towards their team. There's a ruck, which is a competition

(01:34:06):
over the ball. The defense tries to steal it, but
the offensive guys you know, seals it the support play
and then the ball gets played away and the ball
is the line of scrimmage in that sense. So once
that tackle gets made, we have a new line of scrimmage.
Ball gets passed out, run around, pass past past, tackle
gets made a new line of scrimmage. And so the
defense always has to retreat to that you know, back

(01:34:26):
foot of that ruck every time there's a tackle, and
you just continually flow and you know, that's pretty much
the gist of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Now, it's the most complicated rule, like for like dummies,
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
What's the most complicated. I mean, you know, they just
implemented the fifty to twenty two rule. That's like, if
you kick it from behind the fifty and it rolls
out of bounds behind the twenty two, which is the
red zone, you actually get to keep that line out.
But if the ball goes out on the full, the
other team gets the line up from where you kicked
it from. I'd say, like line out rules or like
rock penalties in front actions where like guy's hands are

(01:35:01):
on the ground or scrummage penalties for me, are stuff
that gets confusing, be like offensive line. You know, technicalities
with cut blocks that people don't understand what's legal and
what's not can get messy. But ultimately you pass backwards,
you run forward, someone gets tackled, you kind of reset
and played away. It's like basketball, man, it's free flowing,

(01:35:22):
you know, it's it's it's fast. It's fast break basketball
to me. Like sometimes in basketball it's five on five.
You get a set piece, you know, we call it
pick and roll, and you know, you could shoot it,
you could pass it, and we call that off of
a scrum. You got a switch, you called that earlier.
Maybe you give that, maybe you dumb it. Maybe somebody
comes on a short line. You kind of have these suggestions,
but you take what the defense gives you. That's what
basketball is. And then you have these like fast break situations,

(01:35:46):
you know, two on ones, three on twos and you
just gotta pass. And what hockey, Yeah, hockey as well,
and you have a lot of that. You try to
find those fast break scenarios and exploit the space.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
But then the corner is like soccer, the corner. Yeah,
if there's balls getting thrown in corner, the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Lineup, if the ball goes out of bounds, it's it's
a it's called the head. Yeah, And that's like a
dump ball. And that's not like a corner kick at all.
That's what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Like, didn't we used to have didn't Joe Judge design
a fucking on site kick where you were gonna after
a safety that you had to fucking drop kick.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Yeah, we did. That was terrible, Like just kick it
over the front line. We did against Philly, Yeah, we
did against Philip Chip Kelly's the oc Ohio State right
now too, and he's like, I remember you when we
played we played against you guys, you did that drop kick.
I'm like, man, the one thing you remember. Come on,
it's like that terrible play. I kicked a drop kick
in that game and it on side kick off the
tee and James and Jamie Collins was supposed to be

(01:36:44):
the jumper and he got hurt in that game. And
I actually like felt like I kicked a really good one,
but like we didn't have that Jamie Collins out there,
and it just was like anti climatic, you know when
we would catch on side kicks and just walk off
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
But yeah, we did a lot in that game. And
we had we had returns where somebody pitch it to
me and I'd rip a rugby pass across the field.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Remember we do some Yeah on the Desperado Desperado or
I'd be in Desperado would be our last play of
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Yeah, So we did at We tried a lot. Never
never came up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
That's bullshit. That coach let Doug Flutie kick one and
you didn't let you get well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Remember I was practicing some extra point. I remember that
he wanted me to do it, and I was. I
was feeling good about myself, but I never got never
got the call.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Come on, coach, Yeah, you know, just foundational pieces our success.
Throw them a bone.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Just hit a draft caick. We're up twenty four to three, Like,
let me hit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
A draft kick, can you before we go? After the
Fiji game, you had to try almost right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I did score a tryo take us through that It
was off a restart. I can't remember. I think they
might have kicked us or I don't. I don't remember
who kicked off. But basically one of our guys caught it.
Made a quick guy miss or low and the guy
was hanging on his jersey and I just came flying
off his hip and he just gave me a little

(01:38:03):
pop and then I just kind of went through and
it was like a sixty meter maybe fifty meters or
something like that. Just run. But we had it. Was
had to have it. So I was like pedal down,
you know what I mean, Like fuck saving my gas.
Like when you play that game, you got to think
about when you expend it, like a full tilt run,
full out everything, Like it's hard to come back right

(01:38:24):
away to go play at a high level. But I
was like we got a score and kind of like
a kind of a freebie, but I finished it, you know,
so I felt good about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
And when you scored that, you think about your pop.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
I think the first one against Brazil, when you guys
watched this play Brazil and the line like there's like
the little details of like rat running that you know
that it's really nice that no one will understand. Yeah,
I had like a setup pre catch that put me
through the hole and then just a little stiffy and
I was through and it was just a great pass
from Madison Hughes and I got through. And you know,

(01:38:58):
I just had scored a try in the Olympics and
that was a first one. And you know that was
the one where I was like hell yeah, Fiji was
like fuck, dude, we need to win, you know, like
hurry up and kick off again. I was too in
the moment, but yeah, that's that's score. It was dope.
You should look up tweetvo so t U I v
O s a Fiji Rugby. Look at this dude's dies

(01:39:18):
bro like whatever you think of Saquon Barkley, Like like
this dude. This is the dude I had to mark
for Fiji. He was playing twelve and I was playing twelve.
Those legs, yeah, whatever whatever you think of of Saquon,
that's like, that's what look like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Me and say were locker roommates when I was in
New York. Yeah, he had some what he looked like.
He looked just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Okay, if you put them short as shorts on, it
looked like that. Yeah, Oh my gosh. Yeah, that dude
he got he got high tower calves too.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
You don't even know where to tackle someone like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Yeah, those knee bones probably hurt. You just gotta let
him slide by and get on the back of it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
That's you know, let him get off the soft sholder
and then you do the hip.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Do they know him dropping fucking rugby? I'm him dropping
them legs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Yeah, that dude was him dropping. But that was the team. Yeah,
guys like that. Then we had some gronk six foot
six dudes that could run. It was crazy, man, they
were they were they were level above everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
But you know what, the United States with a teaspoon
of fucking cement, first time in the goddamn a tourney,
first time recognition of any kind of rugby success. You
know what they do. I say, fuck that shee. That
guy over there with those fucking tree trunk legs. I'm
scared of that. Battle these bastards. That's right, baby, That's

(01:40:37):
what we did. We did. We did battle, battle them
to the very end.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
We did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
They got we We like it was seventeen seventy six.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
We had a line out at the end on July fourth, Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
The bombs were bursting the air.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
But you could see that little flag just hanging up
there in the in the with the bombs burst in
the background, the smoke, the fire in the bombs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
The bombs were bursting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Don't make me start singing it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
Oh oh my god, getting real patriotic in here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
What's it after? A better than Jackie.

Speaker 6 (01:41:08):
Fiji would go on to win the gold as Nate mentioned,
but would win out. They would win out smacking Brazil
in Spain twenty four to twelve. In both of those
Fiji would also go on to win gold in twenty
twenty silver in twenty twenty four, lost to France. Team
USA finished three and two with the Olympics. Carlin Isles

(01:41:32):
we mentioned earlier, finished most tries in the tournament. They
would go back to the NFL, retire in twenty twenty one,
and then Team USA Olympics seven. They'd be back in
twenty twenty and again in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Four, say going back to the NFL after you know,
worrying about should I go play rugby? Am I gonna
have a football contract? And like, am I even gonna
make the team to like making it playing well? Being healthy?
Like my give a fuck meter so low. When I
came back and I was super fit and I could
all I did was tackle all summer. Like I was

(01:42:07):
in such a good place that year. And obviously I
had a really good year led the league, and especially
since tack it was the second team All Pro. And
you know, we won the Super Bowl that year. And
I will say I'm the only person to play in
a team sport in the Olympics ain't won a super
Bowl in the same year. Oh yeah, but I mean
that's a testament to be a part of a good,
good team. So lucky to be a part of the

(01:42:27):
Patriots for ason as we.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Were, we were lucky to have you. We were all
we were lucky to have you. In our locker room,
and and it brings me back to that conversation you
had with your mom. Ye, after all this this year,
did you feel like it you find did you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Did you accomplish what you set out for?

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Yeah? I think like I said after the Olympics, you
know obviously was into a second contract in the NFL,
played in the Olympics. Kind of just you know, even
when you go back to that walk on at Ohio State,
it's just like if you give everything you have to something,
like you're capable of getting it done. You just have
to be willing to sacrifice everything. And you know that's

(01:43:09):
kind of what my mom got out of me, was
like time to fully commit to something and give it
your all. And you know I did that again and again,
whether it be with Ohio State or the NFL or
with the Olympics. And you know that kind of proved
to me like what I or anyone is capable of
if they're really willing to give everything they have to
something that came with a lot of sacrifice. But chasing

(01:43:29):
your dreams is worth it for sure, and living without
regret because you're wondering about what could have been and
should it you know what would that have been, like,
like fuck that. You know, send it, go for it
and see what happens. And you know, at least in
that scenario, you'll be able to put your head down
at night knowing, Hey, I gave it everything I had.
I didn't make it in the league, I didn't make
it on that Olympic team I tried. Didn't work for me.

(01:43:51):
You know, there's a lot of good players out there,
some of the best in the world, and you know,
shit happens.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
So many people could take so much from this, the
cards you're dealt with, your father and the stuff that
you've been through. That was a big fork in the
road of life, and you know it. People need to
hear your story more because a lot of people go
through ship like that, whether it's a different situation of

(01:44:17):
some form of fashion, of some kind of adversity in
their life, and it's people like you that give people hope. Man,
that I remember I learned that story, man, because not
everyone knew that story about you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
When we were fucking playing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Like you opened up to me and it was like, man,
now I understand because you always did have that look
in your eye.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Like it's this or nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I'm willing to die for this ship and willing to
die for this ship and that that that can go be,
that could be said, that could be seen by a
lot of people. Man, and it was so inspirational.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
I appreciate that. I mean, you're right, that fork in
the road was real. I mean I was close to
going the other way, and my mom was probably the
big reason why I didn't. I mean I contemplated, you know,
going back to the Junkyard, just beating up Robbers. That's
what we did when I was young. It was just
chase Robbers. I was gonna do it by myself, just
I was. I was on the edge and that you know,

(01:45:10):
she brought the best out of me. And I'm always
going to be thankful for that moment. That was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I'm gonna call my mom after this. It's like, it's
like Billy Madison, I love you Dad, you know what
I mean? I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Momon know what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I mean, I don't remember that part in Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Maybe have way off, just go with it, though, I'm
with you. Call your mom, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I got a quick one. Would you give up one
Super Bowl trophy for a gold medal?

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Yep. I've never been asked that, but that was a
quick yes in my mind. I wanted that so bad, Bro,
and I thought we had the team to do it
and that we we we did, and we just didn't
get it done. And you know, those opportunities don't come
up a lot. We were so lucky to I mean,
how many Super Bowls do we go to? You know,
you know, and it's like for just the opportunity to

(01:46:03):
go let alone to win the ones that we we
did win, but you know, I didn't get another opportunity
to do that. I wanted. I actually want to go
to the Olympics in twenty twenty to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Now with those knees.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
No, I was good in twenty twenty with those I
was good in twenty twenties. They canceled. They canceled the
Olympics because of COVID. They pushed twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Then the knee canceled those knees years ago. Then the
knees were shot that you ain't hitting it, you ain't
planned to a young man's sport.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Yeah, twenty twenty, we were hurting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I believed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Gotta believe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
I believe, I gotta believe they're like get out of here. Bro,
you're old. Didn't even bend over?

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah, out of here now, Nate. People don't well, also,
people don't know Nate's Jewish athlete is right, And we
always had a we kind of clicked up. It's kind
of like if we were in prison or something, we
would be the only two Jews locked up together.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
So like on the low we would always kind of like, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
There's not a lot of a but we got to
defend each other fast this year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
No, we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Remind me to call my grandmother.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Who's your old time? Who's the Jewish athlete't Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
I mean that's for me. Like just with my dad
and and he loved the Olympics and stuff, I automatically
go Mark Spitz just because he loves swimming. My dad swam.
He looked kind of like my dad. And it just
Mark Smith was a g back in the day. He
was the Phelps of it. And that guy I gotta

(01:47:35):
go with for sure, you know the other one, Yeah,
I mean you gotta go.

Speaker 7 (01:47:39):
I mean that's just where's our guy? I think was
Sue Bird? I think she's here, She's she I mean,
she's on the tribe.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Yeah, she's a tribe member. I mean, oh my god,
So those two I mean cofacts and honestly, I don't
know that we're allowed to do this, but like, well, yeah,
fuck it. I mean you gotta be on there for me.
I mean you're super Bowl MVP, super Bowl wins, I
mean elite, my dog.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
You're on mind. Thanks, you're too sport fucking you're olympian nfler.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
See how see how juice? You know we got each
other's back.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
And scratch my back.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
I'll scratch your back.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
The funny thing about my back is it's located on
my cock. I thought that was rhetorical. I don't know
we actually had to say it. I was gonna say
my back is sore. I lifted yesterday. No, what are
you say?

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
Jack got to get reprimanded for Deshaun watching joke on that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Oh hr, How do you think Bill could coach rugby?

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
I think Bill could coach taking a ship like he
the way he would analyze and you know, he's very
you know, type A or whatever you want to call that,
where he's just like kind of introverted but like super
obsessive and meticulous and yeah, you know he could tell
you how to take a ship while being a fish

(01:49:00):
but saving the most TV at the same time. Yeah,
he could teach Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
For Look, they're situational shitting, like, yeah, you got ten
minutes of shit, like I can understand, but like if
we have thirty seconds of shit, you gotta get it
out in white. Yeah, I can't beat yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Your pants gotta be undone before you sit down, before
you walk in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
How are you are you watching them on TV?

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Yeah? A little bit. I mean, you know, he's he's Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
He's been getting the letter. He's better each week when
he starts talking about certain things, like you could tell.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
I texted him. Actually, I was like I never thought
i'd see the day. Yeah, he's like me, neither man,
you know, but he's doing a great job. And yeah,
I learned so much from that guy, you know, Like
I said, that rookie year was so big for me
with not only like b Flow and Maddy p and
them and Scottio, but like Bill Man. Bill taught football

(01:49:55):
all day every day and absolutely he could teach Rugby.
He could teach anything. I said, So he was the best.
You know. I think to go through my story, I think,
you know, I don't like to give credit to luck
for much of anything in life. I think you earn
it and you work for it, and I definitely did.
But some things were lucky. You know. I was lucky

(01:50:16):
to be pretty healthy throughout my whole career, and a
lot of guys aren't. That was one. And I was
lucky to have the men in my life that I had,
not only a father figure like I had that was
a very special human that taught me how to be
a man. But you know, I went to a house
date with Jim Tressel, highest character human being ever, you
know him and Slater am I too, on my Mount Rushmore.

(01:50:39):
And then I go to the Patriots with ownership like
mister Crafton and a coach like Bill Belichick. You know,
look at how many guys go to teams with new
new head coaches and it's just they're in such a
bad situation. And that was something I was very fortunate
to have the coaches and the men in my life
that I had. So yeah, I love Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
I love Bill too.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
I got I have nothing. Bill is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
I wouldn't say he's the best. He's definitely a goddamn
asshole who caressholes are great. And I mean I always say.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
You're an asshole. I'm an asshole the times. So you're
just a bad person because you know, you're a little
tough love. I'm not saying that is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
I've been like one of the few to have his
back through the whole kitten kaboodle of everything. That's why
I wasn't on the goddamn documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
I didn't talk enough.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Ship.

Speaker 5 (01:51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
I mean, he he had the team, you know, his
best interest. He put everything into it. He looked out
for everybody. He held everybody to the same accountability. I mean,
exactly what you would want from a leader if I
had to go back. And I mean it's just he
was first class.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
What about Ernie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
I mean, Ernie's just special. Ernie's just special.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
You have any Ernie memories?

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Nothing funny, I mean, just the just the Malcolm Butler
play we ran in practice that he drew up. He
drew that play up, and then we they then it
comes in Malcolm got smoked in practice every time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Josh Boyce pissed off watching it in Arizona. And then
we're gonna if they see this play, we're gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
And then he picks it off and the biggest play
of his life, like and that's all. Ernie drew that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
I remember, Yeah, so Ernie felt out his head.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Yes, yes, that was then he fell down and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Practice with stitches. Erdie came out and he finished the
fucking practice coached her.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Yeah, he looked like if I got the a mummy
he had, Remember, he.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Was like yeah, yeah, he was hilarious man, jaguine missity thing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
We had a great we had a great episode, but
we got to give a little shy to Alex Cedric
of the women's sevens, scored that last minute try against
Australia and the bronze medal match.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Shout out to her, Alana mar all those isn't there
a rugby girl and dancing with the stars killing it.
She's been killed.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
I've seen her everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Her highlights actually rivaled Danny's. She she puts the boomstick
down on everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Hit stick.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Yeah, this.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Hit stick.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
We got to get her in the nutthouse man right here.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
She's e leade. She plays the game violently and it's
you know, it's a violent game. You'd like to see
people remember it's a violent game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Does that our girls going to be able to compete
for the gold.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
I think so. I think when you start talking about
that top three, you're you're in it. You know, like
seven's is anybody could win on any day. France won
the gold and the men's this year. I mean they
were favorited because it was in France, but they weren't really.
I don't know that they were in it. I mean
I guess they had du Pont come in, so they
were better than they usually are. But they want it. Yeah.

(01:53:40):
I think the women are absolutely in contention to not
only repeat medaling, but you know, we want more. We
want the men to, you know, keep up with them
and get one too. But we want somebody to get
a goal. We don't care who it comes from. You
want Rugby to keep going forward. And people like Perry Baker,
Danny Barrett, all the ones before, you know, all them

(01:54:01):
and Alona and all them. You know they're they're pushing
the game forward and and you know, hopefully the game's
in a better place, you know, because of them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Nate Ebner, at thirteen years old, walked, So what's your name?
Alana Mark Alta mar could fly.

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Let's go baby, Nate. Thanks for teaching us same the game.
I appreciate you educating us today. Man, Seriously, we'll be
right back after this quick break. We got to name
this game, and then we're going to score the game.
The game, Okay, name the game.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Rugby is back, the return of rugby seven's and sixteen
or do you have a name for this specific Olympics
that you want to call it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
I mean rugby and rio, Rugby and rio perfect. I'm
not I'm not really like a I think Darth Vader.
So the Rugby and Rio or the return of rugby
is not going to hit from me. But yeah, I'll
do rugby and rio because.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
I love it. Rugby and Rio. Score the game. Is
this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it stakes?
Zero to ten, one to ten decimals, Okay, the steaks,
I mean these rugbys. This is the Olympics Rugby games.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
This is the Olympics. It's the highest stikes. There isn't
rugby right there, and then not to mention, rugby hadn't
been in the Olympics for almost one hundred years. This
is as highest stakes as it gets. We just talked
about all the people that did it before us. I
mean the stakes gotta be nine to eight for me,
a nine to five somewhere high for me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
If it was gold medal match, the stakes would be.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
That's why it's not a ten. You know, if I guess,
I'm I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
This is not a judging.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
I think we've done the American team in the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
That's kind of how I was taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Yeah, like, I'm gonna go with an eight point one,
which is a very integrity type score six seven Olympics
Olympics seven three seven.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Three star power zero ten.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Are we talking? Okay, we're just talking in the world
of rugby or all sports of all. I mean, because
when you guys say steaks and we're talking about rugby,
I mean a six seven, like you might get slapped
for that.

Speaker 6 (01:56:13):
Yeah, I think my ignorance is showing here with you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
But if we're talking about Super Bowls and Stanley Cups
and everything else, then okay, you can make an argument
still the Olympics, but you know, people wait four years
to do that. You don't get it every year without
I just want to know what we're talking about. That's fair,
that's fair star power for me. I mean, I'm I'm
living in the rugby world.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
There's a lot of stars there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
There are a lot of stars, a lot of stars
in the Olympics. I'm gonna go with a point three.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Eight point three the Welker score, I'm gonna go with
a stars they're an eight flat.

Speaker 6 (01:56:55):
I'm watching the score, guys. I'm just gonna judge Russian judge.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Want to fight? Eabs is mad? I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
I'm not mad. I feel disrespected and that that's the
whole difference.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
I hate that. I hate that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Yeah you should. I hope you're you know, kicking a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Gameplay of this, shaking in his boots.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Gameplay as an excitement.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
What excitement?

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Back and forth games?

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Yeah, we had some we had. I mean we're talking
about us specifically, we're talking about phelves. Are we talking
about We're talking rugby?

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Okay, I you know sevens.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
I'm gonna go with seven seven point five. I've seen
better game play.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
I was just so excited when watching this. I'm gonna
give it a seven point eight. Nice. What about you, guys? Uh?
Six point five again?

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
I'm sorry, guys, I had some point seven rugby seven's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
I like that. I think the whole rugby d Why
didn't I think of that? You can change it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
No, the name you have to score the name rugby
rugby in Rio, which is comes off the tongue real,
the literation comes also the cultural and cultural impact Rugby
is back in Rio one hundred years zero to ten decimal. Okay,
I mean I came up with it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
I gotta think highly of myself here. Five five Is
that a good name?

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
I don't even know Disney Disney movie. I'm gonna go
with that. Eight point two okay it do oh man again?
Three point oh? I'm sorry, guys, get off the I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
What is it? What did they score that before we
even came up?

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
They're cowards? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:58:43):
No, I stand by it there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
I'm such a coward. I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (01:58:47):
It's a seven, six point eight eight that puts us
Where is it go in the games that we've puts
us just above the legion of Boom game, Super Bowl God,
I don't know, Seahawks versus Broncos, and just below the
twenty eleven A the divisual Round game Broncos versus Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
What was that game?

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
That was the t Bow who had six touchdowns with Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Yeah, okay, Rob wanted to talk about t BO. I
forgot about that. We gotta think who played t BO, Like, yeah,
he's like, let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Remember when he was on our team.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Yeah, I remember when Nico Kudos went up to him
right away asked him like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Hey, yeah you actually like, man, I love that, Nate.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
Did we miss anything?

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
Man, that was fun you taught us.

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
This this is gonna be great because this is gonna
educate our listener, which is probably notoriously the Big three football, baseball, basketball,
and hockey actually Big four and soccer. Actually we got
soccer in there, and wrestling wrestling Rod in the horizon
w w F. Of course, we're gonna broaden the horizon
of rugby more because it's it's I see it a

(01:59:59):
lot more then when we watched you, because I mean
when you came on our team, we all got real
comfortable and familiar ish with it, and then when you
played in it, we then you grab it naturally. Like
I don't know if the algorithm in my fucking TV
or something. I just feel like I saw it more
or it's been being showed more. And with the success

(02:00:20):
that we've been going to the Olympics and having it's
been awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Man, take a little bit of everything. If there's anything
we missed, I would say, you know, I get asked
a lot of times, you know, football players play, and
we talked about some guys that would be great. You know,
Travis Kelsey seems to think, like, you know, ruggie guys
couldn't play football, which might be the case, or rugby
is easy. I think I don't know, something came out

(02:00:43):
with some negativity tours. But like I'm just saying, he's
a good athlete and all, but he would get circles
ran around him very quickly out there, and now he'd
be good and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
You know, young Kelsey.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
I just that gas tank ain't gonna last in that one,
and maybe he'd have to, he'd have to earn it.
I don't know. I just think to just make a
blanket statement.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
What did he say about rugby?

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
I just I don't remember, and I'm not gonna quote him.

Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
But if you're calling out Travis, Andy Reid could scheme
him open out on the rugby field.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
You can scheme open.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
So now you know, and now Andy Reid knows how
to coach rugby. God Damn.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
I think Patrick Mahons be a good rugby player.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Bro, Patrick Mahons can't run with these dudes, Carlin Isles.
You think Patrick Mahomes is gonna tackle Carlin Isles? Are
you kidding me? I think my point being is the
the IQ of the game that we talked about earlier,
like the fact that Travis things he would just go
out there or whatever like that. Football players would just
go out there, and just like, there's too high of

(02:01:45):
an IQ to do that. A lot of football players
have tried and it just doesn't work like that. Not
to say they couldn't eventually get there. You ain't walking
out there and fucking with those dudes. You know they're
at a high level. I'm with you and a football
you are, but I just don't you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
This reminds me of a Meryl Streep when some award
one night and I'm watching it. I'm a huge Meryl
Streep fan, and she called out football and fighting and
athletes that were not real art.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
I kind of feel where you're a little hurt right now.

Speaker 9 (02:02:13):
I just I just know, after playing both at a
high heart, I felt I one of my favorite actresses
calling she like lumped us up like UFC and dumb
football people that like football or this that they.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
Don't know the real integrity of art.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
I'm like, how is this not art? When I'm doing
my body the way I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
Doing Yeah, absolutely, And some of the stuff these guys do.
And after playing in the NFL and playing at the
highest level, it's just like, you got to give your respect.
Does that throw darts at the highest level? I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
We can't throw darts with I think I could throw darts.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
Well, see there we go. Man. We just got guys
that think they can do it. I love that you
think you can do that. But those dudes are special,
and anyone who does anything at the highest level, you
gotta give them a little Definitely.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
I don't think there's a tongue in cheek by.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Try probably, and I'm giving him a hard time, you know, maybe,
But are you a little sensitive right now? Rugby's my baby.
I gotta protect you, I mean, so, you know. I
just but those guys are special. I've been with them.
I've seen them, and i know how good they are
and how hard they work. And I've seen both sides
of it, the NFL and that, and like these dudes
aren't slaps like these dudes are. Truth. Now, if Tyreek

(02:03:23):
Hill grew up playing rugby, yes, he would be eating
I mean, I can't argue that so with travils, you know,
but like you didn't so don't say you'd walk out
there and you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Know, I get it. It's it's kind of like it's
the conversation of our best athletes don't play soccer.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
Lebron James playing football.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
You'd have a hell of a red area package.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
You just wonder, is he gonna play sixteen games?

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
You don't need them.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
Fifteen plays a game, they may be three touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (02:03:48):
What's the point being that's the conversation. How's Travis Kelsey's
lateral technique because he I.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Mean he throws it. He does. I mean he's nice
with all that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
It's don't get me going.

Speaker 5 (02:04:05):
About his teammate Lewis ree samm It isn't either a
rugby player.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Was he good?

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
Dude? Is he electric? Dude? Is one of the best
rugby players in the world. He can't run routes like
you can yet. I mean, he has to learn how
to play the game and maybe he will get there.
I don't want to I don't want to say he
can't because he's he's electric, he's super athletic. But like
I talk about, people talk about him all the time
with me, and I talk about you. The IQ of knowing?

(02:04:31):
Is it man or zone? Where am I gonna sit?
Tom's gonna know what I'm thinking? Like that level before
you even talk about anything physical in your ability to
like sit a receiver down or play against his leverage
and really create distance, Like what are you thinking? You know?
Do you even recognize? There's so much into it before
you even get to that point. That's where he needs
to get. And he's one of the best in the

(02:04:53):
world at rugby. So to sit there and say you
think you can just walk out there and think like
him on a rugby field, Come on.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
Dog, I'm I'm with you, except if the SWIFTI fans.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Get mad at me.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
I'm not in this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
You want to plug anything what we got? You're so
you're in town, You're gonna talk some rugby at some
rugby on NBC NBC. That'll be fun. I'm not gonna
know about it because it's time delayed, but it's still
part of your job and you're building your resume TV.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
You know, Finish Strong a Father's Code in the Son's Path.
If you want to Amazon whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
And you're you're you're trying to make it a movie.
It's your story.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Got people, yeah, I mean their script writing as we speak.
So Who's I'm really excited about that. You got, dude.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
I don't even think I'm gonna play you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
Yeah, who's gonna play you?

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
I don't know if I'll be in the movie, but
I'm gonna play you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
We're gonna have somebody super emotional in the locker room
at some point, throwing their helmet, cussing at themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
I mean, Lisa's not at you that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
You're always yelling at yourself, but yeah, I know that.
And if you need to, you need a jet, I will.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Man. Thank you coming on, man, that's this was such
a fun episode. So many inspirational stories from you and
life experiences, and you know, I'm so happy for you,
not just as you know one of my my former
bros still bro, but new new father girl dad.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
So excited for you. I love you, man, Thanks for
coming on.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Appreciate you man, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:06:26):
Had a good time, man, Nate's very inspirational man.

Speaker 6 (02:06:31):
Captain America. Man really is full of little bullshit. Though,
what are we going to get way?

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
My guy thinks he could go out and compete for
Olympics through for knee surgeries.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
Deep.

Speaker 2 (02:06:45):
Oh yeah, you ain't getting up on that pitch.

Speaker 3 (02:06:49):
Whatever, you ain't getting on the field.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
You can't do it. Ain't no flag football. Seven.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
You're gonna try to prove me wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
I just try to prove me wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:06:57):
I want you and Nate to join the Israeli flag
football and see if he can make it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
Yeah, but him saying that we could do that, like
his knees aren't even good enough for that. Josh Rosen
leading the quarterback room.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
There something I'm both.

Speaker 3 (02:07:10):
We'll bringing b Y j Yes, we'll bring.

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
He's tearing up.

Speaker 3 (02:07:16):
Hold on, let me bringing in by Jew.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
That's my guy bridging the Mormons and the Jews.

Speaker 6 (02:07:21):
Jake Reetzlov Yeah, Jake Retzlaff, Yeah, Bro, he's he's having
himself a year baby.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
They still and they still defeated when yes, they squeaked
by Utah. That'll be sweet man. B Yu has always
been just they've always been good. Like taking a lot
of Juco guys, because a lot of the you know,
a lot of the Mormons they got to go on mission,
so they sometimes you have to go back to Juco
or something, and these kids can come back at twenty five.
But I played with a lot of guys that like

(02:07:48):
went to BYU or like a lot of by used
to come to my Juco College of Mateo and pick
guys up all the time.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
Really yeah, wow, they were trying to convert you or now.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
They didn't pick me up. I feel I didn't pick
me up. I feel that they didn't try to convert
me yet.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
All right, jump on the other end of the bed
for you, man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
Awesome story. We gotta go check out.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
What Sorry, just more soaking.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Good job, good form.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
Hey, you gotta have that guy bro in the l
d S community. We need you.

Speaker 6 (02:08:25):
Gotta have that guy. It's like a wingman two point oh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:30):
Keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, Jack, explain this segment to us.

Speaker 6 (02:08:33):
All right, wait, Jules, were you talking about by though?
So alright, alright, sorry, alright, thanks, thanks, we love you,
We love Jake bretzlfy.

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
Come on, baby playoffs.

Speaker 6 (02:08:47):
Since we're talking about the Olympics. It's our first Olympic episode,
by the way, pretty sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
I think we got a couple moore coming, we got
more coming.

Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
We are, we got one in the bank.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
Because the New Olympic podcast. Baby, yeah, we got, we got,
we got, we got a special special. We got a
couple of specials.

Speaker 6 (02:09:04):
So shout out, shout out to the IOC, baby, shout
out FIFA, upstanding organization.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
We can we can start. You can start planning games
with names at the Olympics in twenty two.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
Where's it at here? Oh shit, traffic's gonna be a
bit Oh shoot, oh my god. Just hang out in
the village. Just post up in the village. Bro, how's
that cardboard bed like? Hanging out? Man? All right, all right,
all right.

Speaker 6 (02:09:36):
So the episode here was an Olympic episode, so it
felt fitting that we try to build an ideal US
Olympic team using only NFL players. Okay, so you might have,
Oh we need someone for one hundred meter dash, Terry
Tyreek Hill. Oh my god, we gotta fill out an
equestrian team. Who's gonna be dressage?

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
I don't know if that is. We'll learn, we'll learn,
we'll learn that kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (02:10:01):
So our pool to choose from is only NFL players past,
some current or some present, a present, some past.

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
I mean, you got Tyreek, I get so my my,
my broadcast coach, Joe Montgomery.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
She gets mad at me even well she gets she
gets mad at any NFL guy. She comes from track
track background. I didn't know that, or like any analyst
that says, like this guy's got track speed. She looks
and she goes, no, they don't. Track speed is different speeds,
like Tyreek Hill's got track speed.

Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
Yes, yeah, he's like, she gets mad and flat hundred. Huh,
he's running like a ten flat hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
Jeff, what about Demps who played on our team.

Speaker 5 (02:10:48):
He's also in the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Best was in the Olympics. Yeah, from cal Chris Johnson
was fucking lightning.

Speaker 6 (02:10:55):
Oh my gosh, fastest forty times for a minute there.

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
What about Bob Hayes right from the what about?

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
What about?

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
I believe a sub ten to five high school guy
here in the state of California that I played with.

Speaker 6 (02:11:08):
He was later later cooker, what's the guy the Eagles do?
The guy on the Eagles was, uh, we're in an Oregon.

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
What about oh uh the white boy?

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
Yeah, the white guy.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
Yeah, he's the hurdler. Yeah, they have another the Jeams
probably on this too little. Yeah, it's uh oh yeah,
Devin Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:11:31):
That's him, Devin Allen. He does the.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Wait what is he? Wow, that's crazy. We'd have a
hell of a four by one. We'd be fire, bro,
we'd have hell of a four by one.

Speaker 6 (02:11:42):
He's a hurdles he's one hundred and ten meters hurdles.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
Dude. Jeff Demps was fast, bro, remember him, We had
him in pre season. He like, I don't think coach
let him go or something. I was gonna speaks. I
never saw him. I saw him in the Olympics. So yeah,
he was fast, bro. But it is different like.

Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
When you're just fast.

Speaker 5 (02:12:04):
Yeah, gotta train for you.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
You gotta put your foot in the ground and you can't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Oh, you don't always get to open up youah'd be
more of like an indie car or like a Formula
one car, not a dragster. You gotta have that good suspension.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
Jack, tell us about this all right.

Speaker 6 (02:12:20):
Next we have the decathlon. This was what many considered
the greatest athlete in the world. You know, Bruce Jenner,
all those guys. But now it's not gets a little
bit overlooked now as far as so what is the decathlon?

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Jack?

Speaker 6 (02:12:31):
So it's one hundred meters, a long jump, the shot put,
the high jump, four hundred meters, one hundred and ten meters, hurdles,
discuss pull, vault, javelin in fifteen hundred meters.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
So it's like all these contestants all have to do
all of those. Yes, Wow, what was Bruce Jenner's forty
or one hundred? Let me look, that's insane. That's what
I think my coach was. She was a decathlete. I
didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (02:12:56):
Yeah, in the meantime, who were some NFL players you
think could be all around.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
All around athlete?

Speaker 5 (02:13:01):
Throwing helps here, he had a ten point nine hundred
ten nine slower than Tyreek.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Yeah, but Tyreek long jump, I don't know, dude, Tyreek
could probably do a lot of this. Ship fucking great.

Speaker 3 (02:13:14):
This is like a gives just a little ball muscle.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
He would be like like for every one of these events.

Speaker 6 (02:13:19):
So I got Tyrek. They're Tyrek in there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:22):
Yeah, you think of brown all around athlete?

Speaker 5 (02:13:27):
How would Deon Sanders do here?

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
I bet Dian would be nice. Dion would kill everything
that was running but he he. I don't think he
could shock put.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:13:36):
I don't know. Maybe he could discuss.

Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:13:41):
Prime.

Speaker 1 (02:13:43):
Everyone gets to do the everyone gets to be their prime.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
Makecalf d k specimen.

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
He looks like the new sprinter man.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
He does.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
He tried.

Speaker 5 (02:13:52):
He was in the Olympic trials too. He's fast, Yeah,
you can't make half fast. Yeah, and he's strong.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
I'm kind of leaning DK in this one.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
You going DK weird way?

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
He just him brown.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
That's tough though.

Speaker 2 (02:14:04):
Jackson bo Jackson bow nos baby, I think bo let's
go Boos. Does he can do it all? Baby?

Speaker 1 (02:14:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
Multi sports, I think gotta go wrestling, Oh Steven Neil
bro oh easy. He was the he'd beat brock Lessner.

Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
I don't think they had an Olympics when he was
there doing it?

Speaker 8 (02:14:22):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
Maybe he wasn't an Olympics.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Like wrestling there's I don't think it ever officially left.

Speaker 2 (02:14:28):
Aaron Donold was a fucking badass wrestler. Ray Lewis ray
Lewis is he he? I think he wrestled in high
school and ship. I think he's all state.

Speaker 5 (02:14:36):
Yeah, he's lightning fast and big man.

Speaker 6 (02:14:39):
Like, how could you ever remove wrestling, Like, how is
it even on the chopping block wrestling sport?

Speaker 5 (02:14:45):
Wait, so it is when the Olympics or not it is,
but they've been like trying to get rid of it
when Steve Neil was there, I believe.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
So how come he was an Olympic team?

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
Let me look because he was probably playing football now.

Speaker 3 (02:14:55):
No, Steve Neil was the best.

Speaker 2 (02:14:58):
I remember before Locals got shut down, he bought a
pal out of it in like New Hampshire because Massachusetts
shut it down. So he went to New Hampshire and
got a Pallette a fucking old school for Locals. When
people were dying, this guy would take. This guy would
drink it like it was like a wine. He was
a badass. He couldn't even move his shoulders for the

(02:15:20):
last like the any year I met him, his last
couple of years of his career, his shoulders were like
they'd have to like put his shoulders in place before
a game and he would go manhandle people, Like how
fuck is he grabbing people? He can't even moving his shoulder. Literally,
he had these braces where they had like it was
like like one of those old school beret things.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
What are those where they pull the girls.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
Oh of course, yeah, of course he shoulder like they
would pull it back and it would like and then
I was like, how the what the hell?

Speaker 3 (02:15:51):
And then you'd see him grabbing a man handling.

Speaker 5 (02:15:54):
It sounds like we've got our resting.

Speaker 6 (02:15:57):
Cow State Bakersfield two times and C Double A Division
one champion, ninety ninety nine World champ.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Yeah no, n C Double A.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
No, I don't think he's at that level, but they
they beat at that level.

Speaker 6 (02:16:12):
He was in the national championship, national champions different championships.

Speaker 2 (02:16:16):
Yeah, he beat him. Bro still Yeah, they dropped him, dude,
I don't know. Man. Aaron Donald he was a wrestling
champ too, isn't he. He's got like the body type
for it too, where he's like big but he's lean.
So if you can get the weight up and still be.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Short, but that's a disadvantage to be shorter.

Speaker 3 (02:16:33):
Now you got built in pad level bring you in
to him.

Speaker 5 (02:16:35):
But then they sometimes you can't. If you get a
lanky guy dude.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
So quick and he just like make you do your
move and then like crab around you and get you
just fast.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
I'm going to Steve Neil though, me to gotta go
with Steve Archery. Archer gotta be accurate, you gotta have
good aim, gonna be poised. I mean that light is
like if there is any kind of turkey being kind
of specimenum our properties, that thing would probably be gone.
With Matt Light's bone arrow.

Speaker 5 (02:17:04):
Oh my god, I feel like all the kickers would
do well here, Kickers, Brandon cook.

Speaker 2 (02:17:09):
Cooks, Brandon Cooks, they pulls it out.

Speaker 3 (02:17:12):
I don't think he can.

Speaker 2 (02:17:13):
So what's the what's the deal with that? You can
pull out a bone arrow, but you can't shoot a
gun in the league celebration and they change it around.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
We were just talking about we were just talking about that. Yeah,
it was archery was illegal in celebration, but now I
think it's back.

Speaker 2 (02:17:25):
No, archery's back, Yeah, Robin Hood, it's in season. Aaron Rodgers,
he'd probably be I bet you he'd be really He's
probably really good at like all that ship shooting darts,
any kind of accuracy you have, Aaron Rodgers got he
probably got a right eye dominant that just fucking I
bet you he could be really good with a pistol.

Speaker 5 (02:17:43):
Aren't like.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Aaron Rodgers probably be a great West Wall Wall West drawer.
I bet you'd have a quick because he kind of
does that when he's like when he does something good,
he kind of puts his arms into like a fucking I.

Speaker 5 (02:18:00):
Feel like he took that from Brett Favre though, like
learn that from Brett fire watching.

Speaker 2 (02:18:04):
Them, Nah, maybe maybe I'm time time bias or what
is it called renas recency bias?

Speaker 5 (02:18:12):
Breakdancing?

Speaker 2 (02:18:13):
Breakdancing? Oh my god, got y gun?

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
So what's up with I don't remember this? What happened
with this girl? How it's people?

Speaker 2 (02:18:23):
You got people training their lives to get into the Olympics,
and what was this? I want to know.

Speaker 3 (02:18:29):
I want to know the breakdown. I don't know the story,
but I saw some stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:18:33):
So she I'm probably gonna leave some stuff out here.
She's like a professor in Australia of like some kind
of cultural studies or whatever of like breakdance. Yeah, like
break like which encompasses that she like does breaking competed
in I think like maybe the most world events in
like the qualifications she's working, but she's done them.

Speaker 5 (02:18:55):
Yes, it's a new sport and this is the only
time it'll be in the Olympics, So there's a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:18:59):
But then there was some controversy among why Australia chose
her as their representative out of like like to send
to the Olympics and not some of the other people
that were trying to trying to qualify, like and there
was some they accused just like some shady stuff. Then
she got to the Olympics and her bee boy routine,

(02:19:19):
breakdance routine was not on the level of like it
was like she got like she became like the meme
of the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:19:27):
I mean it was kind of fire, I thought, but
like she everyone else situation. I think that's what they were.

Speaker 6 (02:19:32):
They were claiming like some some backdoor dealings, like she
knew the the lady that was running the IOCN qualifications.

Speaker 2 (02:19:41):
Point. That's all there in FIFA Olympics.

Speaker 6 (02:19:46):
They're fucking it's it's I don't know, there's who knows
what's going on behind it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:50):
There's something behind those doors.

Speaker 5 (02:19:54):
Someone this guy though, I mean, I don't eve want
to get into bad before we before we break dancing,
I was going to.

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
Talk about this guy. That guy is my hero of
the Olympics.

Speaker 5 (02:20:02):
Shooter.

Speaker 3 (02:20:03):
Yeah, where is he from East Eastern Europe?

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:20:06):
Turkey.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
Yeah, he just rolls up Turkey, no ear muffs?

Speaker 3 (02:20:10):
Did he any places?

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
Didn't he? Yeah? Yusef yusef check that dude. Is that
dude should be casted as like the next John Wick? Yeah, bro,
he doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
Do we know what his day job isn't Turkey? He's
probably already John Wick?

Speaker 6 (02:20:26):
What does he just rolled out of bed, threw on
the glasses, hand in pocket? What else can you win
an Olympic medal in with your hand in your pocket?
I want to He's got some cool gray ass hair,
got a little swoop, dude. I also like about this.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
There was like a Korean Wait does everyone else use
two hands on this thing?

Speaker 8 (02:20:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:20:45):
I think they all do one, but all of them
have like weird like glasses and scopes and ship.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
Like there's yeah. So like there's like a Korean woman
who has like he's cool in the opposite direction, like
the gears wagon yeah quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
Here.

Speaker 2 (02:21:03):
So then there's this lady.

Speaker 6 (02:21:05):
She goes the opposite way with like the blacked down
eye and she's got the that can't be legal. It
looked like the glasses you were catching punts with, bro, bro,
so that's legal.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
I think like ye, how boundary?

Speaker 3 (02:21:18):
How long has this event been in the Olympics for
a while?

Speaker 5 (02:21:22):
Ante, do you mean to tell me.

Speaker 2 (02:21:24):
People in nineteen nineteen hundred or when they first invented
this this thing? They had fucking evolves cyclops visions? Also,
fucking you can't have a cyclop vision.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
We got to write a letter to the IOC.

Speaker 2 (02:21:40):
You remember those Google glasses. This lady's got those Google glasses.

Speaker 3 (02:21:44):
I wore those things.

Speaker 2 (02:21:47):
What are we doing, bro? This guy's this guy has been.

Speaker 1 (02:21:50):
That was our first shooting.

Speaker 2 (02:21:54):
Done shot put Vince Wilfork, James Harrison's probably a fucking
load on that. I bet you he knows how to
do it too. I think he definitely. I think he
did it rhythmic gymnastics. Who was in the rhythmic gymnastics
that remember, I'm just thinking bad Dola, Bro, gotta put
Dola in there.

Speaker 6 (02:22:10):
Hey, Dola got that rhythm? Who they put in there
in old school? Whod they make?

Speaker 2 (02:22:13):
When that it was? And then when he did the
he did the horse or no, oh, no, know how
to dance? Oh can shake a baby? I bet you
he he looked pretty. He killed that thing, Bro, I
drove by. I think Baker would do it just had
a fun I can see Baker doing like a like
an s n L skit doing that and like.

Speaker 1 (02:22:36):
Like synchronized swimming now called artistics swimming.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
Yes, this is a unit based I think.

Speaker 3 (02:22:45):
Artistic.

Speaker 5 (02:22:46):
Yeah, maybe it's just not about just being in order.
Maybe it's just being creative.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (02:22:51):
I likes Jack Angle on this. It's gotta be a
unit like the Legion of Boom or the Big Blue
Wrecking Crew or the.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
Steel and the Steel, the Purple. Something tells me they
could do it. The twenty twenty four receiving Corps for
the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 6 (02:23:09):
Those guys seem kind of I don't know, they seem
a little bit of sinc They seem very sync and
good body control. I think I'm just reading into it.
Maybe Dan Campbell will coach him up to Dan Cambell
coaching sinking. Could you see him cut the commercial?

Speaker 2 (02:23:22):
Now? Oh good? If we don't get those spirit ankles,
we'll be here all goddamn night.

Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
Ping pong ping.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
Oh this is you, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
Nah, I wouldn't be that good. What Dola would be
the king at like from my groups. But there's there's
like some probably really good ping pong players in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (02:23:43):
Dola would be shirtless too.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
I think Olympic. Who's good.

Speaker 3 (02:23:48):
Who's probably met you the court? I bet you like
Burrows pretty good?

Speaker 2 (02:23:52):
I bet you.

Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
I bet you My homes is good.

Speaker 2 (02:23:54):
Good.

Speaker 6 (02:23:56):
They were saying, Saquan is supposed to be good.

Speaker 3 (02:23:59):
Yeah, take, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 6 (02:24:02):
What's your opinion on ping pong table in locker room?

Speaker 2 (02:24:07):
It depends on the season and the team. Yeah, I
can see that depends on the season of the team.
If you have a team that can can handle it. Yeah,
it's whatever. We a couple of seasons we'd have it
like you had to go through the equipment room to
the back laundry room and it would be like right
by the the fucking dryers and we'd be playing ping
pong next dryers and ship speak five minutes, get like

(02:24:27):
a quick game to eight or seven?

Speaker 5 (02:24:30):
When do we get in a ping pong table here?

Speaker 2 (02:24:32):
I know, it's just it gets too wild, going everywhere,
chasing the amidity and the nuthouse up sweat. They'd be
sweat everywhere. I'd be dripping puddle, like we we sweat
when we play. This isn't this isn't fucking the floor's
got to be unfinished. Bro Sunshine of Rainbows man, Me
and Dolo used to play that stuff for hours, bro

(02:24:52):
jating on the ground, fucking shirts off.

Speaker 5 (02:24:56):
Team spin in the garage, like wheeled it onto the
cul de.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
Sac, hmmm under the lights, fun for the whole neighborhood,
or yeah, we gotta we could do it in the
backyard somewhere. But I don't like wind. Dated outdoors. Dated
You get these, you get these, you know, marine layers
that come in over here in the west Side. You
know you're dealing with the fucking wind. And I'm playing
that what is this? I'm playing a lambeau Field for
fucking ping pong.

Speaker 5 (02:25:22):
That would be kind of cool elements.

Speaker 2 (02:25:26):
So the fucking coin flip is so huge, I don't
take the ball. I take this direction, pulling a Bellichick
in ping pong.

Speaker 10 (02:25:36):
We might have been playing the driveway in the rain.
Sometimes that's dedication in the rain. It didn't work very well.
Could you imagine Bill, if that was real? You just
spraying the ping pong ball with fucking water.

Speaker 2 (02:25:47):
Play It's got the hose just hosing the table wet
ball drill.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Should we go?

Speaker 6 (02:25:55):
You gotta all right, we gotta do drisage and then
we'll wrap it up with so dreusage. Horse is a
questrian event that is often described as horse dancing. The
horse now you prance. It's like, there's a lot of prance.
There's a lot of prancing. It's you gotta be in
sync rider and horse. It's it's something else. You gotta
see it to believe it. Snoop went viral for uh

(02:26:18):
he and Kevin Hart did like a breakdown of it
two Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
Yeah, I went viral horse. I just think of Terry
Bradshaw me too. I think he shows a bunch of horses.

Speaker 3 (02:26:28):
He's in that world.

Speaker 2 (02:26:29):
Yeah, he like once in a while he's like yeah,
he calls me, hey, son, I just got a new
stud I'm like, awesome. So this one, this one's from
over here there. They're telling me all this terminology. I
took this one and I'm like, awesome. My daughter loves horses,
Terry Terry breeding and I love it. He's like, wyant

(02:26:50):
you bring her down, bring it one of the things,
Like I don't want to because then she asked for
a horse. Here Terry Uncle, Terry bro around racewalking race.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
There's a lot of controversy about racewalk Olympics.

Speaker 6 (02:27:08):
Both feet have to be on the ground, So yeah,
what the hell I want?

Speaker 5 (02:27:12):
So what I've I've also, because I did some reading
on before this, is that it's not just that you
have to have one foot on the ground. Technically, it's
supposed to you. It's supposed to look like you're walking.
Like the look matters just as much as the like
actual foot on ground.

Speaker 3 (02:27:28):
So like that one, who won this one, I don't
know it was.

Speaker 2 (02:27:31):
Hey, Patrick mahoon been doing the speedwalking when he yes,
that's what he'd be doing the speedwalk when he goes
over are he's speed walking in the huddle. He's funny.

Speaker 3 (02:27:42):
I love his mannerisms.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
He's so genuine on that field with his whenever the
fucking rep or something I hate when other guys do it.
I okay with Patrick Mahomes because it's it's him, but
it's genuine like some of these dudes out here. I
saw I saw a quarterback and I won't put him
on blast. Who it was. His face mask got touched
in mid sack. He's looking at the goddamn referee asking

(02:28:06):
it just got touched. It just got touched. This is
fucking football. He's he's I think he fumbled the ball.
I was like, what the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 5 (02:28:14):
I hate that. I hate Even more than that is
the wide receiver who like is looking for a call
off a ticket tack you think make a fucking catch.

Speaker 6 (02:28:23):
Last one shout out to Brian Pintado, though our reigning
gold medalist from Ecuador, Ecuador, he won the Golden Paris Modern.

Speaker 2 (02:28:31):
Are last one of these goddamn events.

Speaker 6 (02:28:33):
One last one the modern pentathlon, another one where you
got to do a bunch of stuff. Penta being five
watched the five events fencing, freestyle, swimming, a crestrian, show jumping,
pistol shooting, and cross country running. Next Olympics, they're taking
the horse element out and they're adding some sort of
an obstacle course like a American Ninja warrior thing. Kind

(02:28:56):
of lame, but what's the the origin of this is, Yes,
this is what a nineteen like a nineteenth century cavalry
soldier would have to do.

Speaker 2 (02:29:07):
So you gotta like, you know, you're carrying a mess.
They didn't have to run in nineteenth century today.

Speaker 3 (02:29:11):
Yeah, yeah, nineteenth.

Speaker 6 (02:29:13):
Century had to swim over a river you gotta like
run across a v you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
You gotta fight a guy with the fight a guy.

Speaker 3 (02:29:20):
Yeah, Swiss army knife.

Speaker 6 (02:29:22):
Yeah, this guy's gotta be kind of like a McCaffrey vet.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
Yeah, a guy that can do it all free. He's
a beast. How do you think he's with the Lamar?

Speaker 3 (02:29:29):
Lamar will probably be really good at all this stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:29:31):
I could see that I took Lamar in my army.
Baker Mayfield, I think Baker, Baker, Baker, the touchdown maker
would be great.

Speaker 2 (02:29:39):
Bake man, Bake, what can he do? How about that
stiff are Yeah, that was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:29:47):
That was wild, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
I was watching that.

Speaker 3 (02:29:50):
Did Nick not want to hit him?

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
That's so weird? It was like a did he not
want to throw him down because he didn't want to
get penalized? Was he trying to be too smart of
a football player? That's what it felt like. I don't know,
because he had Adam locked up to be able to
keep the focus when you're getting When you got that
big ass Nick Bosa hand, I've shaken that hand. That
hand is fucking huge, wrapped over my goddamn my wrist
made me feel.

Speaker 3 (02:30:10):
Like a little baby.

Speaker 2 (02:30:11):
Yeah, both of them balls on bake, didn't he that's
a big play by bake. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:30:14):
Love, what a what an Olympic episode.

Speaker 2 (02:30:18):
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Go check out the Rugby Seven's check out Nate on everything.

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to have the will to be able to you know,
we have that special relationship with your father's and then
you know, to be able to carry on and achieve
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Speaker 3 (02:30:58):
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