The Bryce Young Game with Bill O'Brien | 2021 SEC Championship: Georgia vs. Alabama - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right after the first Super Bowl I interviewed with Bill.
That was a very interesting interview. How why never forget it?
The very first question he asked.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Me, Welcome to Games and Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're
Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find
the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we're
covering the twenty twenty one Epic SEC Championship game between
Georgia and Alabama Roll Tide, tied with former Patriots offensive

(00:30):
coordinator and former Texans head coach and current BC Boston
College head coach Billy O'Brien. Fun episode, we get into
talking what it's like working with both Nick Saban and
Bill Belichick. Second time we've done that with a coach.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
When Bill would come to see you as an assistant coach,
he would kind of stand in your doorway. You wouldn't
even know that he.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Was there coaching a Heisman winner.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I will never bet against Bryce Young.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And then we drop into the process of drafting a
slight dick quarterback and turning him into a receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'll never forget this because the night it was right
before the drive, basically Bill came down the hallways like hey,
through these beta tapes on my desk, and he say, hey,
watch this kid from Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I've been waiting for so long for someone to answer
this question the way he did.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And then we wrap it up with the old hot line.
You gotta stick around some funny questions.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Let's go go.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Games and Names is a production of iHeartRadio. December fourth,
twenty twenty one. Mercedes Benz Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
A Vonta Georgia defense stands between Alabama and another SEC championship.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
But Billy Oh, in that Bama offense roll time. This
is the TWEBC Championship game.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
An you're the so is this that you live? This
is my house I lived really yeah, I lived here year.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I bought this in fifteen fifteen and then it took
me a year to redo it and then I still
own it, but I rented out. We use it for
this whenever I'm out back East. Most of your time
you're in I'm in La. Lily's out there, she's seven, seventh, seventh.
We just had a tear.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I followed I see you on insta Chat and all that,
like she's in chat.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Don't say insta chat, Billy yoh, you hate Bill with that.
Don't beat you know exactly if you're on it, you
know what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Instagram. There we go, There we go, There we go.
I was saying it as a joke that we both know,
like he was just he's chomping at the bit to
bust my balls.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm not chomping at it anyone's balls. All right, let's
go Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking
at the twenty twenty one SEC Championship game between the
bull Dogs of Georgia and Roll Todd Alabama. And today

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we have a very special guest. We have Billy O'Brien.
Welcome to Games in the name.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I appreciate it, guys, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
We appreciate you coming in. The first question we always
ask our guest is explain in one sentence why you
picked this game underdog.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
We were an underdog in this game, and Georgia had
an unbelievable defense that year they in college football. They
had the best defense in college football. And you know,
offensively we were very good, but they had you know,
a bunch of you know, top draft picks on the
defensive line, linebacker, safety, and so it was it was
a challenging you know, preparation for that game, and to

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come out on top was just a huge accomplishment for
that Alabama team at that time. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Now is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
No? No, no, this is not the greatest game. Well
I'm not gonna go ahead. We just had to good game.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
But no, no, so uh Billy Oh is the head
coach of Boston College now wearing the hat, let's go.
I feel I feel like I should be an altar
boy at Boston College right now with this hat on.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Just they're still talking talking about when you came to
speak to the team, are they. Oh, yeah, it was awesome. Yeah,
it was good.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
What was some of the messaging I forget he spoke about,
you know, just when he played and perseverance and his
routine and then we fired some questions at him and
it was cool.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I try to always emphasize routine to younger guys, no doubt,
because if you get into a good routine and you
watch the guys who've been around and the badass dudes,
they all have a very efficient and productive routine that
and like their time is everything, and those guys are
dealing with families and other shit. You know, when you're

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a young guy, you have more time to do everything else.
So if you find that routine and get it in
a good routine, you get good habits. So enough about
that house camp in Boston College.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Good.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
We've had a good camp. We we just finished camp
a couple of days ago. We started preparation for Florida
State this morning. It's been good. These kids work hard there.
They're good kids. They try to do it the way
we ask them to do it. I enjoy it. I
really love coaching this team. It's it's been a good
bunch of guys that show up. You you would enjoy
them because they show up to work every day. They

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they don't complain, They they they're ready to go. And
you know, look it's a challenging opener down at Florida State,
but uh, these guys will. They're very excited for it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
I went and it got to experience a little bit
of the Boston College team, and I felt that in
the room in the auditorium when I was talking to
the guys. They were hungry to be a part of something,
but to like really learn football, and that's tough for
younger football players especially. I don't even know how it
is nowadays with nil for guys to really put their

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heart into what we're believing as a team instead of,
you know, like we always had on the wall mental toughness,
doing what's best for the team when it may not
necessarily be the best for you.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
And yeah, no, it's a great point. I mean, a
lot of these kids nowadays, not just our guys, I'm
just saying overall, are very you know, results oriented. You know,
you gotta win, you gotta do this, and they as
you would be the and you told our team this,
what's important is the process that that occurs before you win,
the preparation to win. And you know, I think our
guys are are understanding that a lot better than they

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did six months ago. It's a day, it's a it's
a daily process. Though. Yeah, it's it's different.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, you gotta that's that's the time you use
to learn your team, your You got new players, you
got new coaches, you got new everything every year, and
you know that's that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
What was in the decision making process to go to
Boston College?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, you know, I was at the Patriots and there
was a rough year Jeels, you know that I mean,
and uh, you know, we we we could have stayed there,
you know, I felt like it was important for Gerard
to hire his own people. You know, I came there
to work for Bill, and you know, when you're a
new head coach, in my experience, you want you want

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your own guys underneath you. And so Ryan Day called.
I went to Ohio State. Ryan Day's a guy that's
been a great friend of mine for a long time.
Awesome guy and uh from New England, from New Hampshire,
and we've known each other a long time. So I
took that job. And then this job came open a
month into that job, and my wife and I, my
wife Colleen, went to BC. I have two sons. My

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oldest son, you know, I think, you know, was kind
of dealt a bad hand in life, born with a
brain malformation. He's twenty two years old. To move him
again to Columbus, Ohio or do something probably wasn't really
the right thing to do. So this BC job, my
youngest son is at Toughs on the baseball team, Go
Jumbo Baby, and so it was just it was it
was actually a great opportunity. I think for myself, but

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really my family and the whole thing. And I love
the job. I love the people there, and it's I
have a passion for the job. So it's it's been good.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I mean you should have a passion. You grew up
here in Massachusetts. You went to Brown, Yeah, you coached
at the Pats. I mean, it's it's a great I
think it's a match made in heaven. What was it?
What was football like in Massachusetts growing up? For a
kid that's playing football. You loved football? Yeah, you know,
I know what it is in California. Yeah, I have

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no clue what it's like in the South. I saw
how it was in Ohio. What's it like in the
East Coast, especially Upper Eastlake up here?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, it's Look, I think it's very important here when
I was growing up. Like the tradition of the Thanksgiving
Day rivalries, the Super Bowl, right, yeah, the Super Bowls
that used to be played, well still are played in
Gillette Stadium, but used to be played at Boston College
and then Jellette Stadium over the years used to be
Sullivan Stadium. The tradition of high school football in Massachusetts,

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it's huge. Some of these coaches that I really you
know know, well, now they've been at their high schools
for thirty five forty years. You know, they are people
that grew up in the towns. I have one of
my best friends as the head coach at Tewkesbury High School.
His name is Brian Elward. He went to Brown with me,
been there since nineteen ninety two as the head football coach.
It's a small town, tough town, winning football program for

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years and years. His dad was the coach. You know.
So there's a lot of these towns outside of Boston
that are made up like that, made up of you know,
people that really take a lot of pride in their
towns and coach.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, so it's cool fingernail our workers.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, we we And to segue that into BC recruiting
a little bit, we want to make sure that we
do a great job of recruiting this whole area because
there are a lot of kids in this area that
can play at PC, and we we you know, you
take a lot of pride when you're from Boston, you're
playing from BC. So that's a big part of our
recruiting philosophy.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, some of the all time grades of BC
fluti from Natick Natick. You know there's a lot of
those guys around here. A breeze, you know, it's who
was on art? Do we have any Upper Boston guys?
We had a tight end, I think, didn't we have
a tight end?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Had a tight end Patriots. We had a couple Boughs,
Wiggins Wigs from East Boston.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, he's from East Boston.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yea Wiggins is from East Boston. Went to Georgia. I
think he transferred from Marshall to Georgia when Jim Donna
went to Georgia as the head coach. Nico is a
CTN Connecticut. Yeah, he was a great guy in the
locker room. You're probably friends with him, very close. Yeah,
he was awesome, the teams guy.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
We saw him at the Brady Roast, you know what,
I think I saw him at the break Yeah, you know, Nico,
great guy. He was talk about a glue guy. That's
a blue guy right there. He keeps the guy saying
in the locker.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Room he was a glue guy. Oh, I know, maybe
we'll get into some of that. I can't I can't
believe we haven't told him any Moss stories, the Tiger
Wood story.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think that's been on here, show tell him that,
tell him the break.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
So Tiger Woods Bill comes in to a meeting and
basically says, you know, you guys think you know about
hard work and routine and things like that, you don't
know anything. And boom, here comes stuff about Tiger Woods.
Like this guy takes one hundred sand shots a day,
you know, fifty drives a day. He puts a thousand
putts a day. This guy's like early golf, you know,

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early in the morning, golf course, late at night. They
got to use headlights to light up the golf course
for him.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
He's got a presentation. Look, this guy's you guys go
to Vegas. This guy's in the sand traps, just fucking
practicing all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
These other guys are out partying, blah blah blah. This
guy's working. That's what work ethic is. Blah blah blah.
So fast forward like four months to it was winter time,
winter December. Tiger you know, gets in trouble. And so
the way that you used to stretch at the Patriots
was it was kind of like a union meeting. It
was pretty interesting the receivers. If there were two fields,
the coaches would be in the middle kind of going

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over scripts, making sure and the receivers were always always
like the farthest away, they were by the dans, but
Randy was never with the receiver. And Randy was like
he was with v always Will Fork. Yeah, he was
with Will Fork, who was like with the d line. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
It was like that's what I mean. It was like
it wasn't like an organized stretch, and so.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Uh, everybody's walking out and I actually happened to be
standing next to Bill and we're going over like the script,
like hey yeah, Bill, Hey, look we should show him
this or whatever.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
And all a sudden here, hey Bill Belichick, Hey, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
And you look, no one there. This is the middle
of the winter, right, It's just a team and the coaches.
He looks over. What's up, Randy?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
What you think about Tiger Woods right now?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Think about Tiger Woods right now? Wasn't working at hard
last night, was he? Bill Belichick? Not that hard last night?
I mean saying traps he was hitting out of last night? No,
not too many. He kept me going going the whole time.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Everybody was crying like yeah, you know, it's like a
union meeting, but no one's talking to fucking Bill like
that and he goes he's using that. Oh, think about
him right now all the time. Now, you know you

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jumped in and your placed a legend, Joe Paul when
you went to Penn State, and I remember that, you
know when we were going into the super Bowl you
found out and you know you were going in there
and I could see your nerves going getting into that.
Now we're getting a kind of I mean, you're replacing
a legend there. Yeah, And that's kind of what draw

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Mayo is doing with Belichick. Now you met with Drawd.
You know Drod. How do you think he's been handling it?
And what do you expect from Drod this year? I
think he's done a great job. He's himself.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think that's the key, like in any of those situations,
if you try to be you know, somebody that you're not, like,
be true to who you are. Just in the short
little things that I've seen on TV or his interviews
or whatever, like I heard him on the radio the
other day, he's being who he is. You know, he's
up front guy as a former player, as you know,

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as a captain, great player, and uh, you know he
takes that type of approach to the team. You know,
the the player coach relationship is very very important to him,
like let the players take ownership of the team if
they deserve that ownership. And I think he's you know,
instilling that in the players. And you know, that's who
he is. And you know, a lot a lot of

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people try to be maybe who they work for or whatever,
like that's really not the way to go. I think
it's always important to be who you are. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'm excited for him, Yeah, and a great opportunity. I
think everyone just needs to and everyone needs to manage
their expectation and realize what this is was what it's
going to be.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh yeah, it's it's gonna be a long, long haul.
I mean it's, uh, you just drafted a quarterback, Drake
May at number three, and you know, you know this
better than anybody. It take it takes a while to
learn how to play pro football. It doesn't matter where
you play. Yeah, and you know, it's a big, big
jump from college football to pro football and so you
and then there's other roster challenges you know that they're

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probably dealing with. And they got a new coaching staff
that are you know, some of those guys haven't worked
together and all that. So, yeah, you have to give
it time. I always say, Jules, you got to give
it five years. You guy's got to be given.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Five years without a doubt, you do. I Like you
talked about college and pro. We'll get into that, but
grad's he's dealt a crazy situation for his first year.
I mean, and I guess most new head coaches get
in bed with a young quarterback and they have the
decision he's going to have to make here in the
next two weeks, Like how would you handle this decision?

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Would you start Ja Kobe and then you know, be
able to replace him with Drake when he's ready, because
you can't start Drake and then replace Drake because then
you kill the confidence you got it once Drake sent
it'ce Drake's show.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, no doubt. No, that's a great point. I think
you've got to really be sure about who's surrounding Drake.
Who's playing left tackle, right tackle? You got David at center,
who's awesome, right, one of the best Patriots of all time.
You know who's that guard? You know, either guard. You
got to be able to protect a young quarterback because
he might hold a little bit longer. He's not used

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to the covering session. And you know who's playing, you
know receiver, who's playing tight end? You got Hunter there.
I think Hunter might be injured right now, but I'm
sure he's coming back. He's a great player. But you know,
Remondre in the backfield, So who's surrounding Drake? And you know,
how is that going? Because I think that's a big
deal to throw him in there. You know they I've

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I was the head coach of the Texans, and you
know they used to talk about Carr when he was
the rookie quarterback there. He got sack seventy six times,
and you know it was imagine getting sacks seventy six
times in the NFL. It's not like you know, so
you want to try to avoid that. And I'm sure
you know so to me, I would start toa Kobe.
It's kind of like what we did in Houston. We
started Savage. He didn't last very long, but you know,

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we started Savage. We went to de Shaun pretty quickly.
But we felt like DeShawn was ready and he had
a you know, some mobility and ability to make off
schedule plays, get out of trouble, So we started the
veteran and then we went to the rookie.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's it's it's hard to see that. It's all situations
are different, and the guys that are really going to
know are the people that are there watching him day
in and day out in practice. Like everything we're watching
right now on preseason doesn't mean it means great, Like
you want to see execution, but you know they're getting
the most vanilla looks. There's no game plan against the
offense they're playing against two's. You know, you want to

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be able to see him in practice. Can he handle
the huddle, can he call out the protection? Can he
see the disguised safeties? Like that's what you need to
see day in and day out before you throw this
kid into fire, because until that, he's it's it's gonna
be it's gonna be nuts.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And that's the thing. And again, you know this better
than most is the way that the way that we
practiced there, you know, in many ways, well in all ways,
prepared you guys for the games, right, the situation and
the Patriots. Yeah, practicing at the Patriots and the you know,
the different things, the challenges that you had to deal
with every day from going good against good ones. It

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wasn't always against the scout team, right, so you know,
and then all the different situations the men, the mental
process that you had to have to approach practice every
single day, Like you're exactly right, Like they they're the
only ones that know how he's handling that. So we'll
see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So we'll see what he comes up with. Now, let's
you know, we have to ask this. You know, you
you've been a pro coach and then you jump back
into college, Like, how crazy is it doing dealing with this?
Nil the transfer portal? You got to recruit your own
players each you know that there could be a guy
waiting in line for the next year, but then he's
getting How is it handling college football nowadays?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's got to be tough? It is. But I do
think like and I know you would agree with this,
like cause like for example, like your relationship with Chattio, right,
Like you had a great relationship with Chaddio, right, he
was a great coach for you and position coach, And
you know that's we have to do a good job
at BC when it comes to retaining players of showing

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them that we can develop them, that we care about them,
that we want to establish a relationship with them. We're
more about, you know, the whole person than we are
just football. And then money does come into it at BC.
You know, are we gonna be able to pay every
kid on the team. No, is it a pay for
play type system. It's really not supposed to be. So

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at Boston College we try to tier it. We have
three tiers of players. The top tier the oldest guys,
the really good locker room guys, good you know, decent students,
you know, good players, you know, obviously, and then the
middle tier is kind of the same type of guy,
but maybe a junior or sophomore. And then the lower tier,
younger guys that we think have promising futures. So that's

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how we do it. We have a great collective called
the Friends of the Heights and they handle all that
I don't really handle a lot of that. They do that.
And we also have a company that we deal with,
Accenture that a guy named Doug Phillis who really helps
us on a data He's kind of like the middle man.
And so we we we have a process to how

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we do it. And look, it's if you stick to
your criteria of what you're looking for in a player,
and that criteria for the player, that guy sticks to that.
You know, he goes to class, he does what he's
supposed to do. He's good in the weight room, good
in the locker room, gives back to the community. We
do a lot of a lot of that at PC.
Then that's the guy that you want to reward in

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some ways. That PC. That's how we do it. I
get it, I get it. You know what you really
should do?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean, you guys are a Catholic school. Hit
up the old Pope, say hey, Bud fund us a
couple the Pope. Yeah, the Pope, the Catholic Church, get
him involved.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm you know, I knew when I walked in here
that this podcast was going to go down a road
that maybe what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I mean, I don't think I can ask the circumcised
kids in Philippines. You could ask the Pope for ten
million dollars to get your Catholic school very good.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I don't think I can. Yeah, I don't even
know how to respond to that. I have to go
to Father Leahy first, he's the president of the university
then then maybe we can go maybe we can approach archdiocese.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Whatever it is, we'll figure it away. We'll figure it
out away. Now let's jump into the pros. You start
with the Patriots and seven. How did you first off,
get in the trust circle with Bill? Like, how do
you get this opportunity? Because usually Bill home grows his guys.
And you know the reason why I remember Chatty, Oh,
he was kind of an out of towner. Then you

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can tell that at Baltimore Colts his dad was Chattio's
dad was the trainer, and that's where Bill got his thing.
So there was some kind of connection. What's your connection, Bill?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
My connection was I was at Georgia Tech and there
was a guy named Jason Light who was a scout
at the time, a regional scout for the general manager
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now awesome guy. At that time,
he was like a regional scout in the South for
the Patriots. So he covered the a SEC and the SEC.
And I dealt with scouts a lot at Georgia Tech.

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So when an NFL Scott would come in, I was
one of the coaches that would talk to him. And
so we got to know each other and happened to
be that he kind of lived near me too, and
so once in a while we go out for a
beer or whatever and talk about the Patriots. So at
the end of the day, there was a quarterback opening
right after the first Super Bowl, and you know Bill,
Bill called and said, Hey, I'm going to interview for this.

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It could be this job, you know, Bill is might
be for some other job, but I'm going to interview you.
And so I flew up the Providence and I in
two thousand and one, right after the first Super Bowl,
and I interviewed with Bill in a like a law
firm in Rhode Island. A buddy of his had a
law firm in Providence, and that was that was a
very interesting interview at one, I'd say the first the

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first I think the very first question he asked me
we got their shook hands. Hey, how you doing all that?
And then I went right to the interview. It was
in a like a you know, like a big staff
room type setup, glass doors. I'll never forget it. And
he said, all right, teach me the quarterback center exchange.
So right off the bat, I had to get up
and teach how quarterback takes it and we were a

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shotgun offense. So I was just like, okay, Like I
figured it was going to be like, you know, you know,
teach me about this read on this play because he
had all he had all of our tapes. We had
watched a lot of games at Georgia Tech Games, so
it just kind of like boom. So I taught him
the quarterback center exchange to the best of my ability
at that time in my career. Yeah, and then it
was like, okay, empty you know, tell me about your

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empty protection. And then it was like, hey, here's this
situation with the player. How would you deal with it?
You know, players that's giving you some shit or whatever
it is, you know, how would you deal with this?
And then it was hey, how did you evaluate this
player at you know, one of your opponents. I forget
who it was, but you know, so there were some
really good players in the ACC at that time. Hey,
you what'd you think about this player? So it was
like a back and forth of you know, a lot

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of different areas of football. That was one of the
best experiences very early in my career. So it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
So at that time, I I he's hitting you with
so many different situations. We want to see, Hey, can
this kid teach me the most remedial thing? I want
to see how he teaches like a five year old
disc Yeah it was because a lot of these guys
are fucking five year olds when we come into that
locker room. Yeah, he just really athletic five year olds.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
But it was. But I didn't so at that time,
I don't totally remember what happened. But I didn't go there.
I didn't take that job, but I.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
But he didn't get the Center Exchange very well.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, probably. I actually think I interviewed pretty well,
but I whatever, it didn't work out, right, it didn't
work out. But then we kept in touch. We kept
in touch over the years and different jobs would come
open and he would say, like, you don't want this job,
you know, or this isn't a job for you, or whatever.
And then I was at Duke and a quality control
job came up at the end of the two thousand

(24:44):
and sixth season, which thank god, because my two years
at Duke were two of the worst years you could
ever imagine. We were not a very good football team
at Duke. So they Bill had a quality control job.
So I went to the Combine and at that time
I had like three interviews. I had an interview with
the Saints would shown Peyton for a same type of job,
interview with the Texans Gary Kubiak for the same type

(25:04):
of job, and then an interview with Bill and Josh
McDaniels at the Combine that year for that job. And
this won't surprise you at all, but you know, the
Saints were gonna pay me like one hundred and twenty grand,
Texans about one hundred and twenty grand. And Bill was like,
I can pay you fifty five. I was like, I'll
take that job. I was the idiot that took the
job for fifty five thousand dollars at the Patriots or

(25:27):
whatever it was. And my wife looked at me, like
what because we were making better than that at Duke
And I said, this is a great opportunity. We got
to do this, Colleen, and she said, okay, we're doing it.
So we moved to New England. Oh wow, moved to Boston.
Nice wow.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
He doesn't just get to Boston so you get let's
talk about that seven season. Oh man, you said, dealing
with a bunch of the situations are dealing with the player.
What was it like dealing with that receiver room when
you were the receivers coach when you have Wes Welker,
Dante Stalworth, Randy Moss, jab I mean, you guys had

(26:03):
a neglected, crazy cood group of receivers that probably how
did you like psychologically keep them all in? And is
it just that year they were all yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
So seven Nick Cassario coached him and then I then
then Bill Josh stayed as the coordinator in O seven
after he had a couple job opportunities to go, and
he stayed at the Patriots, and Bill moved Nick Cassario
up to upstairs with Scott Pioli and made me the
wide receiver coach in O eight. So that was exactly
what you said. It was Moss, it was Jabbar, Wes obviously,

(26:35):
I mean Dante. It was arguably like one of the
best receiver rooms definitely in the NFL at that time,
maybe of all time, you know what I mean, just
when you think about all those guys. But yes, the
thing that they they were Randy Moss right off the
bat was like awesome, like you know, because quite obviously
at that point in time, you know, this is a
Hall of Fame player. He's seen a lot more than

(26:57):
I'd seen. He knew a lot more obviously, Tom you know,
worked with those guys a lot and they they they
told me one of the greatest early lessons in my
coaching career was walkthroughs. So Randy was like, look, man,
show us some film, show us what you you know,
what you think on film, maybe ten to fifteen minutes,
Let's go walk through. And we would just we did

(27:17):
that every day. I'd show him some tape we'd talked
to him about dbs or coverages or route technique or whatever,
and then we would go and we would go right
outside the doorway to the you know, to the field
was that tunnel tunnel, and we would walk through, you know,
for about an hour, just receivers forty five minutes. So
it was. It was and they loved that because it

(27:38):
tested them and you could test them and.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It gets you out the room.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
That gets you out of the room. We're football play.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You have fun with it, Yeah, you could have fun,
but you also get a mental rep. That's what you
get to do it and you get to walk through it.
So you're transitioning from what you learn on the paper,
to the walk through, to the drill, to the seven
on seven to the team like it's these guys design
it where it all translates to that and it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
That was That was the coolest thing for me because
to this day I use that as an example with
any young wide receiver coach I ever have on like
my staff or that I'm working with, I'm always like, hey, man,
tell them what you need to tell them, make sure
you get their questions answered, and then go walk through
and you know, hey, what are you gonna do? Are
you gonna convert this versus this roll corner? Are you
keeping this on versus you know, all the different things

(28:25):
as you know the leverage, like how you attacking this leverage?
And that was one of the early lessons that I
learned at the Patriots. Coaching the wide receivers was a great,
great experience.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, and it goes also to you can't use your
athleticism or your knowledge of what the other team's doing
until you know where to line up and what you
are in the goddamn formation and a personnel group, right,
Like that's half the battle for a lot of guys, right,
you know, if you can digest that quick. Then you
you get to be able to study what's going on
the other side. That allows you to play faster exactly.

(28:57):
So when you do a lot of walkthroughs, which we
used to walk through for the walk through for the
walk through. By the time you know Billy oh was
you know in Penn State wherever he was in that time,
By the time I was getting up there, it was like.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
We walked through to walk through to walk through. Guys
getting mad.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
But you know, I look back on it and it's
the best thing for you because it's a rep Now.
Any any fun Patriot coach stories. We had Mickey D's
in here last night and he was telling us that, uh,
coach Scar used to you know, what is it narcolepsia
where you fall asleep a little and then it wakes
up doing sit ups in the middle of the coaching staff,

(29:33):
but doing sick like what we already heard ives you know,
he falls asleep a lot. What we got in the
inside fun stories? Any competitions with the coaches.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh, we got a lot of We got a lot
of funny stories with the coaches. We would have like
so our I can remember early on in your your
guy CHATTYO. He loves this story. So we would come
back in from practice in the regular season and we
would basically watch with you guys, and then we would
go immediately when you get we were done with you guys,

(30:05):
we would go watch with Bill and we would watch
both sides. We'd watch everything, special teams, a whole thing.
So by the time that was done, it was probably
seven o'clock. So then we'd go eat dinner. So we'd
go in there and grab dinner, and then we'd come
back into the staff room and we'd listen to or
get ready for a third down or read area, whatever
day it was, right and Ernie, who's whose office? I

(30:26):
know you and Ernie are closed. I love Ernie too.
And he would go into his office which was right
across from the staff room, and he would call his
wife and describe what he just had for dinner. So
every day, every night he would say, they had you know,
they had turkey, they had mashed potatoes, there was some broccoli,
and then we had apple pie a la mode for dessert.
And so we would sit there every every night and

(30:49):
listen to Ernie talk about what he had for dinner.
And we put that and and and Chatty O started
to call our offensive staff room the general Store. So
we put the general Store up on the up on
the door there. And now we had a lot of
there's a lot of good coach stories. I mean I
have many, so I can remember, like the quarterback meetings

(31:10):
when I first got there. So that was Tom Matt Castle,
who you know is one of the funniest human beings
of all time, up there with Matt light who Rich Ornberger,
like those three guys out.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
But you're funny.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
These are very funny, great sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And so we would meet. As you know, Bill would
come in later in the week meet with the quarterbacks,
and early in the week go over the DB's and
I think this was an early of the week meeting
and Bill would take his shoes off and build it.
As you know, Bill didn't wear socks, so and at
that time, before the new you know, offices were set up,
the quarterback meeting room was pretty small. So Bill I

(31:48):
would sit in the corner. I'd be like stuffed in
the corner. Josh was in the back, and Bill was
running the clicker, and Tom was over here, and Matt
was there and Matt Gutierrez remember those Kevin O'Connell and
so I remember this one meeting and Matt Castle was
like what is that smell? Like?

Speaker 4 (32:05):
What is that smell?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
And like nobody says anything, and we're all like Matt
Castle he was the very he was the very funny
guy who didn't care about making anyone uncomfortable, you know
what I mean, Like he looked at it. He loved
making you and so he was like, no, no, seriously,
like what is that?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Bill?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Is that your feet? And Bill, I'll never forget this.
Bill looked at him and goes Castle just shut the
fuck up. I was like, I was like, I was
like it was like my first year there, and I'm like,
I cannot believe I'm witnessing this right now. But as

(32:45):
time went on, you could believe it because you know,
you spend you know, the thing is, I tell everybody
because people love my Patriots stories and I'm sure they
love yours. But you spend so much time together in profo,
especially in New England. Yeah, you're always together.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I mean, there's very it's rare, especially like pre twenty eleven,
you know, before the new CBA, you.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Guys double days, doubled, you know, all those things, training camp,
the seasons long, you're a good team, you're going to
the super Bowl, you're going to the play. You know,
so like you there's it's not all just like hey
on this player doing this. It's it's a lot of
like you've got to have humor. And if you don't
have humor, and you don't you don't have the ability
to laugh at yourself, you'll you've never met I've tried.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I've pitched it around so many times. The community like
an office style show for like the equipment room or
like an NFL football team, you know what I mean,
the equipment room guys, the training room guys, the coaches.
There's these little communities and like he said, we're like
Billy Oh said, we're always together for so long. You
have to find the funny moments to you know, help

(33:46):
you get through the process because it's fucking long. But
there's so many funny things in the camaraderie that you
get to go. And when Brady's retirement, Tom's retirement thing
that you.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Know everybody was at you guys were there. You know
the thing that that I was reminded of there And
I tell this to people at BC all the time
now it was really Look, you know, we had Tom,
we had Julian, we had Moss, we had you know,
Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, all these great players, Will Fort,
you could name them all, right, you know, all these
unbelievable players, but they were they were also like great people.

(34:20):
It's about the people and and the work ethic and
the intelligence and the the the ability to be a
great teammate and the humor and you know, it was
just it was a and that included the video staff
and the training staff, everyone equipment. There was just a
Teddy Jared shout out. And Bill put put all those
people together. He really did. He put all those people

(34:41):
together during those years. And I'm just a firm believer
in that if you can, if you get the right
people together, you got a chance to win. You know.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
That was that That was a fun reminder the Tom event,
you know, just seeing everyone because we you see guys
and you'll see I'll come back and see you know, Teddy, Jared,
Jimmy and all everyone in the building.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
But when to see everyone in the same area, you
haven't done that in.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
A very long time, and it was it felt like
home again, and it felt comfortable and it was all
you know, it was fun to celebrate Tom, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
How was it coaching him? Yeah, no, I I so
basically I went from oh, wait, wide receiver coach, Josh,
Josh got the Denver job, and Bill, I'll never forget it.
We were my wife and I were going out to dinner.
We were we we lived in Midfield and we were
going to the to the mall, to California Pizza Kitchen.

(35:36):
It was like a place we would go and and
my phone rang and it's Bill and he's like, hey, listen,
uh you know, Josh is taking this Denver job. Listen,
I'm gonna make you the quarterback coach. But you know,
look I'm not gonna call you the coordinator, but you're
gonna do all that like you're gonna do like just
so you know, like you're gonna script and you're gonna
do this, and you're and I'm like, okay, great. It

(35:57):
was like a two minute conversation. Look like Clay, Bill,
I appreciate it. All right, see you Monday, see you Monday.
Hang up, boom, just keep going to California. I turned
to my wife and I was like, I think he
just said I'm the quarterback coach. So it was just
a great you know, that was a cool night for
my family and to have the opportunity to coach, you know,

(36:19):
obviously what we believe is the greatest quarterback of all time.
When he when he first he was out on the
West Coast and he came back for OTAs that year nine,
the year, the year. Yeah. He I'll never forget this.
He came in my office, he said, look, I want
to be coached. He's like, look, I don't want don't
waste my time, but I want to be coached. And

(36:40):
he was right about that, and I learned a lot about,
you know, how he wanted to be coached, what he
wanted to know. Like I can remember one of my
first meetings. I was so prepared. I had this like
book of like computer reports, and I gave him this.
I'm like, Tom, look at this book, you know, and
he's like, what is this. I want one sheet. I
want one sheet that me boom, boom, boom, first, second down,

(37:02):
third down, boom, fronts, pressures, red area, backed up to
you know, the whole thing. And I was like, oh
my god. So but from that point I did the
one sheet and I used that one sheet to this
day for quarterbacks because he wanted to be able to
think quickly. He didn't want a big computer report. He
was a guy that if you showed him that you

(37:22):
could work with him like you you could take in
his input and show him that you could work together
to formulate a really good offense like then you were
going to have a great relationship. And I think that's
why he and I got along so well, because we
had our ideas and then he would come in on
Tuesdays with his ideas and we would put those ideas
into with ours, and you know, I would put it

(37:43):
all together and then each night I would have to
email it to him. And so I don't know if Josh.
I think Josh probably do the same thing. But like
you know, he went to bed early. So if it
was like, you know, Tuesday night, for Wednesday morning, here's
the game plan by eight pm, here's the game plan
for third down by eight pm on Wednesday, you know
red area eight pm on Thursday. You know what I mean,

(38:04):
for the next day. But that forced you to work,
get your work done, and be prepared. And then he
would email back with Hey, I love this play. I
love this play. I don't really like this play. Hey,
what do you think about this play? And it was
just that type of relationship, you know, and coaching him
was it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's really cool to hear, you know. And people don't
realize Tom loves being coached. I mean, Billy Oh was
probably so overwhelmed jumping into that thing because when I
got there, they are like, they already had three Super Bowls. Yeah,
they were already the Patriots, and that was like and
I remember seeing him throw for the first day and
I was like, man, this is.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
My fucking throw, you know what I mean? When he
was throwing, he threw.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Through a two hole shot to Randy or something and
Randy light handed like and like didn't even have his button,
chin trap buckle like, and it just they looked like
a They looked like pro A one. And to hear
that he liked to be coached is awesome. I mean,
to the point where you coach where you guys are
damn near fish fighting on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know, Billy Oh, can we get into that what
happened there?

Speaker 6 (39:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Hold on, now, I mean you were at practice, you
know how practices are once again, going back.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
To you're really like brothers. You really are with your
with your assistant coaches. Sometimes you just want to slap
the ship out of your brother exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
So like you know, you can remember practices like I
when when Bill would you know, make us use the
headsets or whatever, or we wanted to use the headsets
to practice for the game, and so you know, I'd
be pressing the button and it wouldn't be like it
would be screwed up, and maybe I'd be yelling at
Donnie Brocher and Tom would be out on a field
like you gotta press the button.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
You're not pressing the button. You're not pressing the button.
I took the whole thing and like remember that day
and threw it at him. I'm like, you've pressed the button.
I'm pressing the button, and thing's broken.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
So these little fights they went to the innerc remember
then they went to the walk. But I mean, these
little things would come up.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
And so in that game, we Dion had gotten hurt,
and like leading up to that game, late in the week,
and we signed Taekwon Underwood, who now is like the
receiver or he works of the receivers now. We signed
him late in the week, and we were driving the
ball and somebody else got hurt. So Taekwon had to
go in and we ran branch and he had the incut.

(40:19):
He was the X and he didn't run a great incut.
He kind of faded and uh, Josh what's his name
in the corner for the Redskins undercut it. Tom kind
of looped it in there. So we come over to
the sideline and Tom's you know, ripping Taekwon and I
can't remember.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wes like all right, man, like let's move on, like
we you know, basically like we we all just got
to move on. Well, we were frustrated because we weren't
moving the ball all that game, Like there's a lot
of shit that goes up on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
So then it just became I don't want to get
into all that was said, but like, hey, Tom, like
basically like you need to shut the f up. We
got to move on now because Grossman's driving the ball,
we're gonna possibly go to overtime. And you remember who
intercepted the pass to end the game was MAO, Yeah,
I was playing defense week. So but anyway, so he

(41:14):
said you want me to shut you shut and then
it was just like to fifteen year olders, like just
yelling shut the f up, back and forth to each other.
Came over.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'll tell you right now that was the brilliance of
Billy Oh because he he liked to fire guys up.
And we all knew Tom liked to be fired up
because we all know Tom plays better pissed off. Like
that's the that's the truth. And you know there's a
lot of those Jedi mind tricks that I think that
happened over there to piss him off because he played

(41:43):
better pissed off.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, you know we it didn't you know? You remember?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And the next day, no one happens. It happens over
game day is like a battle day. And I don't
like making the comparison to the guys that do it,
but you know, shit happens next day, you don't you
You see him at the coffee line?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Eye, how was you? How's the wife? You don't even remember?
I remember? Move on?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Do you remember the Brian You remember our rookie skit,
Me and Hoyer And it was me and Hoyer being
you and and uh Tom, Billy billy Oh loved yelling
at me, and motherfucker loved yelling at I had.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Julian, can I just tell them? So Julian. Basically, Bill
came down the hallway one I'll never forget this. It
was the night, it was right before the draft, and
Bill had three beta tapes in his hand and he
kind of like when Bill would come to see you
as an assistant coach, he would kind of stand in
your doorway. You wouldn't even know that he was there,

(42:42):
and you'd look up and go, oh, there's Bill. You know, hey, Bill,
what's up? And so he's like, hey, through these beta
tapes on my desk and he's like, hey, watch this
kid from Kent State. He's places quarterback in these you
know these these games was Ohio State, it was b
C and it was one other big team, Iowa State,
some other school that he had played while he was there.
And he's like, don't and evaluate him and don't come

(43:05):
back and tell me he's a quarterback. Like he's not
a quarterback. This is you know, just watch this guy.
So we I know you ended up, but anyways, so
you watch him and you know not to you know,
denigrate anybody. But the offensive line wasn't always blocking for him,
and he's breaking five tackles just to gain five yards.
He's got great playing strength, very competitive. So I wrote

(43:28):
up that I thought he could be a safety, you know,
obviously a slot receiver, and uh, I thought he could
play running back too, So then I wrote that up
in Bill and other guys did too. I actually think
Jason Light was the one that kind of like was
pushing it, you know, behind the scenes and so so
so then he sent Ivan out and I think Scotti

(43:49):
o to work you out at different times. Different times. Yeah,
so you know Scotti oh return kicks, you know, you know,
see if he can catch up on all that. I
think he did all. And then I even did running
back drills and.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Little receivers more. It was out of the backfield. I
even put me up on the board.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I thought, I was.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I had my coach come teach me about my scat
protections and stuff, you know, just to give me put
me up there.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I was like, yeah, they ain't coming to get me.
So then then he and this is I tell this
story all the time because I love this guy. I mean,
he's like incredible. So so then we get to the
draft and it's you know, I think it was a
three day draft. Still at that time, and so it's
a late and so Bill's like, you know, we're gonna
draft gentleman. I'm like, oh, and we're gonna make him
a receiver. So we're just gonna keep him at receiver,

(44:34):
teach him receiver. We're gonna teach him how to return punts,
be on special teams. And so he showed up and
it was it was I'll never forget this. And Tom
was hard on rookies, and I was hard on rookies too,
I mean I really was. But like it was Welker
in the like when you did routes on air, it
would be Welker, who was incredible, Julian who was learning,

(44:54):
and then Buddy Farnham. Wasn't it Buddy Farnham or wasn't
he the third guy? Baby? I don't know, but there
was another guy, and Buddies from my hometown. So I
just want to stick his name in there to get
andover mentioned a little bit. And so so West would
run the route, and tom would throw West the ball. Yeah,
and Jewles, I mean you'd step up and run the

(45:15):
route basically the same exact way that West rent the route,
and and Tommy would be like Jewels I mean, didn't
you just see how West did it and you'd say,
I'm doing it the same way. I'm doing it the
same way. But you know what, over time, he's stuck
with it and stuck with it, and he got better
and better and then returned punts and and he was
hurt a lot when I. He had injuries when I

(45:37):
was there, and so he became Julian Edelman kind of
like after I left. But I mean in the two
thousand and nine wild card game, we got we got drilled.
He was the best player on offense. I mean, he
made a bunch of plays in that game. And we
came in after that game and said, like, this guy's
gonna be a great player for us. You know, but
I think you had like broken arm.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Trading camp I played with them, but just a great
story of the resilience and just sticking with it and
one day at a time all that you live that.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know, Yeah, it was it was a it was
a grind, yeah, you know, like like the coaches felt
like we heard from Josh and now Billy.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh, it's tough to coach there.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You know, when you're a young football player and you're
being evaluated everything you do, you don't really know what's
gonna You know, you're playing the numbers game. I remember
Billy O came up to me after I housed a punt.
I house my first preseason game, Billy I had a
pretty good game. I opened the game with the tackle
on kickoff house to punt, and I had Tom's first

(46:38):
catch out of his a c L year.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So there was a lot of nerves.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
There was a lot of nerves going to that game
because you know, it was the first time Tom was
seeing live bullets. You know, there was a little extra
going into it. And the next week, you know, I
feel like I got a little clout I had. I
had a couple of plays, I sprained my ankle and
then I was out for three weeks, and so I

(47:03):
didn't know and I didn't know if I did enough
to make the team. And so it's cut time. Billy
Oh comes up to me. He goes, man, it's cut time,
It's gonna be a tough.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
One or something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
But then but then he would give me a nugget
in like in the in the meeting, he would say.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Now you need to listen up.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
We could have a four ye package in your you
know what he knows. But then after even know you cut,
time's coming, man, just keep your phone on or something.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Don't ever get comfortable as a coach or a player.
But I do, like I do use obviously you as
an example all the time of like staying with it,
whether it's overcoming an injury or you know, learning how
to play a new position or resiliency or you know, no,
never feeling entitled. You know, arguably, you know you have

(47:52):
a shot to be in the Hall of Fame because
of your playoff stats and so like that's a lot
of that you played with a great quarterback, but you know,
all most of that credit has to go to you
and your work ethic and what you did. And I
think that's something that young players. That's what I'm saying
to the BC guys. That's why it was so important
when you came and talked to them, because those guys
are all like, oh my god, that's Julian Edelman. And

(48:13):
and you know, knowing you when you were a rookie
and then what you became is you know, it's a
great story. It was a hell of a rise. Yeah,
no doubt.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
This is a segment where we go back into time
around December fourth, twenty twenty one and go over pop
culture and stuff we see and Kanto.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
You ever seeing Kanto? We don't talk about Brew. I don't.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, you know Bruce Rings, Bruce Springsteing, your Bruce guy,
the Boss, he sells his The Boss.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, you know, I read his biography. I did to
read that. This is a great book. You read that
when you read I know anything about the music back
catalog though, sorry, I apologize it, I mean the Paul
Rudd is.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But like Paul Rudd, he was the sexiest man alive.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Good for him.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
God, Jason Kelsey was at like last year's Wild Right,
it's a widespread we.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Gotta go Kelsey. They just signed did you see today
when they signed one hundred million dollar podcast with Amazon
for three years?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Hunter mel You guys have an awesome podcast, Billy, Oh,
that's do you.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Know anyone on Amazon? You know anyone on Amazon?

Speaker 7 (49:29):
We'll give you a Finders Feet the check fifteen fifteen.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
What was life like for you in twenty twenty one?
First year in Alabama, first year with the young quarterback,
great quarterback.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, so I was at the Texans for about seven
years and then got fired and coach Saban called me
around Christmas time. They were getting ready to play Ohio
State in the national championship game. Max Jones was was
the quarterback of that team and Starkesian Sark was getting
the Texas job, so he said, hey, Sarks getting this
Texas job, would you be interested? So I went there,

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hung around for a couple of days while they got
ready for a house state and I was like, yeah,
this would be a great opportunity. And when you get
fired as a coach, as a head coach, I'm sure
Josh probably alluded to this a little bit. When you
get fired, you think you have like a lot of friends,
you know what I mean, You're and then you get
fired and you're like, you don't really have a lot
of friends, you know what I mean, Like the same
hand and the you and you figure out who your

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true friends are. And coach Coach gave me a shot
to be the coordinator there and that was a great
experience for me and this team and coaching that that
guy Bryce Young was a great, great deal for me.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was awesome, you know, I liked I like to
call it Saban's coaches rehab clinic. Yeah, for like guys
that need to get a little springboard back.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, a little springboard.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yes, yeah, you know former Flash Kent stayed alone. Shout
out yes, Nick Saban. You know it was a big
saving podcast. What's the difference between working for a guy
like Bill and working for a guy like Shaban? Probably
a lot of crossover. But how are they different?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, there definitely is. You know, there's some definite crossover
as you would imagine fundamentals, situation, football, different things that
you would be familiar to you, but very different people.
Very different people. You know. Nick. Nick's very very organized,
almost like I would say, almost like machine like drill
sergeant like like meetings or you know, if this meaning's

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gonna start at seven thirty, it's starting at seven thirty,
you know, and the next meetings starting at ten thirty,
and the next you know, the practice is gonna and
the practices are basically the same, so the players know
what to expect on a Tuesday, on a Wednesday, on
a Thursday, like, there's no, there's not a lot of deviation.
I think that has a lot to do with why
they won there. And then the recruiting philosophy, like was
very like Nick Saban recruited every single day of the year.

(51:46):
He did something in recruiting. Every three hundred and sixty
For Christmas Day, he was doing something in recruiting. Wow.
You know, I think that's how he was brought up.
You know, his dad brought him. He would talk about
his dad a lot owned a gas station in town
and was very organized. And you know, and I think
that that that is something that Nick learned at a
young age and he carried it over to his coaching

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career Bill. You know, working for Bill, you know, things
can change. You gotta you know, a schedule might change,
a meeting time might get bumped. You know, you just
have to You're gonna work. You know you're gonna work.
But you know, maybe not quite as like Boom boom
boom structured all the time as as Nick was. But
there's a lot of a lot of similarities you know too,

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with both those guys. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Now what you're you're coaching the SEC at this time,
in this specific game.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
You're in the A C C.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Now what do you think about all this conference realignment?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah? I think yeah, we're going Yeah, where we're going
five years. Yeah, the SEC and the Big ten are
definitely from a financial standpoint there the top two. There's
no doubt about that. The ACC is still in a
decent position though. Get a shot at the Yeah, the
play teams exactly twelve teams, and we still have an
ESPN contract through like two thousand and thirty I think,
or might even be thirty five, so we have you know,

(53:00):
there's still some good things for the ACC. Those two.
I think eventually, Jules, I really think that there will
be what I would call like four I don't know
if you want to say super conferences, but like four
Division one conferences, you know, based on I think eventually,
you know, b C. Pitt, Syracuse. I would even say,

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like Rutgers. I don't know if this will ever happen,
but like these teams that are kind of regional rivalries,
they should all be in a in the same conference.
You know, if you could come up with twelve teams
Georgia Tech, you know, Duke, like those teams should all
be in the same conference. The SEC would be the SEC.
And because to have like in the a CC.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Now you've got Stanford got Stanford, and cal we got
you know, are you gonna recruit those Cali kids, not
the ACC.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
We we do go out to California. If there's a
b C connection. There's a lot of BC alums out there.
We recruited California big at Alabama. That's you know, Bryce
is from modern day and and uh we recruited there,
you know, recruited California a lot. There man a lot
of talent there, Jackie. This break down. These teams start
with the Georgia Bulldogs.

Speaker 7 (54:04):
Shl we get into the Dogs, all right. This was
this was a heck of a Georgia team. Vaunted defense
as we were watching earlier in the state insane. This
was the sixth year of the Kirby Smart era. We
got Todd Monkin, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens. He
was the OC Dan Lanning who was now the Oregon
head coach. He was running that defense. Uh and the

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defense was allowing just six point nine points per game,
running through their schedule, winning every game by double digits
except for Clemson back in Week one, winners of the
SEC East. And then I mean just a team full
of future NFL players. You got Brock Bowers, George Pickens,
the Kobe Dean, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis. It was like

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the the Eagles Triple A.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Team for a while there. I mean, just insane.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You talked about Alabama being an underdog.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
To Alabama and I haven't. Yeah, no, we you you
definitely knew that Georgia come into that game. They had
a great team. You know, Jackie just read off all
those guys. I mean, you know a lot of those
guys are in the NFL now, and you know, I
felt like going into that game, we had a really
we were at full strength. So we had two really
good receivers, Jamison Williams plays for the Lions now and

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John Mechi who plays for the Texans. You would have
loved Mechi. Mechi was a just a very tough good hands,
could play all over the place. And so we had
good we had and they complimented each other really well.
You know, Jamo was a shot guy and Mechi was
kind of the underneath guy. And we had a good
tight ended play for the forty nine ers now a

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lot too. You know, we have some good We had
some good linemen and then we had Bryce. So Bryce
was you know, obviously not the biggest guy, not you know,
if you looked at measurables and things like that, he
might not be the first pick. But when you watch
him play and you coached him, and you saw how
smart he was and how he could anticipate and made
great decisions and could you know, signal guy because he

(56:01):
saw he had a pro mentality playing the position. Yeah,
and he was a fun, very very fun guy to coach,
and he you know, he was a big obviously a
huge part of why we won that game.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Now we'll jump into Alabama's roster in a second, but
talking about Bryce, we were kind of like what we
were talking about earlier with Drake May. You know, you
can't just put a guy in there that doesn't have
the line, that doesn't have anyone to throw to. And
I felt like that's kind of what he was thrown
into last year with the situation. Is there some hope

(56:33):
for this kid if they get some guys around him.
You still believed he could play in the league.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah. You know me, like I love the players that
I've coached, I will never bet against Bryce Young. He
meant so much to what we did there, and you know,
we won twenty four games there. We lost four games
in two years there with him as the quarterback three
of those four. On the last play of the game. Yeah,
you know this guy, like you know, he threw for
five hundred yards in that game that we're talking about.

(56:58):
I mean, this guy was awesome. And you know, I
think it's exactly what you said. Like for a guy
like Bryce, he's got to have good protection. Look, if
he has to throw hotter, he has to redirect the protection.
He understands how to do that, but he's got to
he's got to have, you know, guys that can protect.
And then he's got to have you know, at least
two guys to throw to ye and a tight end
I think a tight end. And then obviously, like I
always say, for these young quarterbacks, if they can have

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a decent running game, man, that can help you where
you don't have to rely on this guy to throw
fifty times a game, like you know, if you can
balance that off by being able to run the ball
and throw the ball kind of balanced, you know, that's
that's a that would be a huge asset to a
guy like Bryce.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Definitely, And you talked about tight end and they had
the Brock powers on Georgia. He was really good but
they say, they say he's Gronk two point zero until
he really did you see that photo of Gronk next
to him?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, there's no I would never
compare anybody to Gronk. Gronk's best tight end ever played.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Can you can you explain? We heard Gronk's version of
his draft day visit?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Can you give? So we we brought him in and
he had had back issues. So Bill brought him in
basically to get his back looked at. And uh, Stoops
was the head coach at Arizona at the time, and
Bill had a good relationship with him, and Stoops was
really vouging for Kronk, you know, like, hey, this guy.
And so we it was myself and Brian Ferrence. We

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took him into the team meeting room and uh we
were showing him some tape and then we taught him
a couple of plays and then we had him stand
up and he was like, you know, we were teaching
him how to triple block and you know block down
on a six technique and you know single block. I
mean we were teaching them all these bucks. By the
time the thing was over, his shirt was like undone.
His buttons for rip like Patriots draft interviews are pretty

(58:44):
legendary story. So and so then we taught him a
play like I said, brought him back in, Hey, you're
gonna teach us this playback. So we taught him special
you remember, special, special seam, special seam hitch the under
and the incut by the X. Right, So when we
got to the X, which I never should have asked
in this question because you know, obviously he's a tight end,
but I said, all right, the X. Now, if the

(59:06):
will and the weak safety hit it, what's gonna happen
over there? Because we had said, hey, this is gonna
be a sight adjust when we taught it to him,
And so he's looking at the board. I'll never forget this,
he's like, and I'm like, yeah, you're you're getting it, Gronk,
You're getting it.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
It's and he goes sizzle, Sizzle. I'm like, sizzle, what
did you eat at Sizzler last night? Like, no, it's
a sight adjust, Gronk. So but we loved him, you
know what I mean, Like you could just tell he
was like the best guy.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So we so then we had a scout came in
and took him kind of like that, you know, up
to another floor where Nancy Meyer was, Yeah, miss Nancy,
and right across from Nancy Meyer's office when in the
old offices there was a little room with a circle table,
and uh so no one for a while could find Gronk.
So like, where's Gronk? Where's Gronk? Like because Bill wanted

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to see him before he left. Yeah, So finally, like
Nancy's like, he's up here. He's asleep on the table.
So Bronk is six foot sea. You guys know Gronk
better than me. Probably, Cronk is a massive human. He's
curled up on a circle table in this room across
from Nancy Meyer. Robbie g Bill says, Rob Leaves and

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Bill call, hey, how to go with Gronkowski? You know,
I'm like, you know, Bill, this guy's like, you know,
great looking guy, great energy, Like I just you know,
the big thing is he's going to be able to
keep up with Tom, you know, like in a two
minute drive. And you know all that is that is
that you know, do you think you and I'll never
forget this. Bill's like, yep, he'll be able to keep
up with them. Stoops Vouch's for him. I talked to him,

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he'll keep up with Tom very well. And I was like, okay,
then we should, you know, so we drafted him and
Aaron and uh, I mean, you know, those two guys
together were and I know, I don't want to get
into the whole Aaron Hernandez thing, but I mean talking
about football, like two of them that might be the
best tight end tandem in the history of the game,
the history of the game. And they they what we

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did when you were there and ten and eleven, we
did a lot of no huddle and you know, we
could be in twelve personnel and you know, you could
put either one of them out there as a receiver.
And then Josh took it to another level when he
got there, and it was awesome, man. But Gronk Gronk
the best thing about Gronk. And and really I would
say you and a few like Vrabel and the legendary

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Patriot guys Teddy Bruski, Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinnis, all these
guys that that I know, like they had great energy
when they came in the building, like when they when
Rod walked into building, like he would no matter what
might be snowing, raining, hot, didn't matter, same great mood.
He would always like bang into you like Geez gronk

(01:01:44):
or you know, he'd make funny you you know he
bust your chops or you know, like just a great
dude every day, you know what I mean. It was,
it was, it was That's what I'm talking about when
I said about people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, he was like, he's like the golden retriever. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, he's just happy to see him. He's happy to
be there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, ma'am loves Robbie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
G Jackie break down the Crimson Tea.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
Get into this tied real quick, winners of the SEC West,
coming off of Natty the year before, busted Ohio State
in that game. Uh only lost this year was the
Texas A and M got upset out there and then
down the stretch, had a tough stretch, but won those
late close games Arkansas LSU.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Then the legendary four overtime Iron Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, that was great. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Anything can happen in rivalry game ranked An wasn't even
right there forgetting It was like it was ten to
three in that game and we had not done anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Auburn's defense. It was at Auburn which is a tough place.
So we got the ball back on our because Auburn
screwed up the four minute Yeah, kid ran out of bound,
so they had to punt. We got the ball back
on our own two yard line, and Nick, I'll never
forget Nick on the on the headset was like, Bill,
we got to do something here, and I was like, Yep, yes,
we do. It was about a minute and ten left
and we went ninety eight yards for Bryce Young and

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sent it into overtime and then we had a lot.
You would have loved it because in college, after the
first overtime you have to go for two score and
so it was all of those Patriot bunch like Boom
saw that and they were just hit, like three or
four of them. And then it carried over to this game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Well, you guys used a lot of those bunches, the Rams,
the Rifles, the Texas two lane two lane two in
which it makes this legendary Georgia defense have to communicate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I think fast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Is that what were you're doing in the middle. You
were starting fast to try to slow down that d lineman.
You guys were playing with tempo. Was that the game
plan going in this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah? I think I felt for us in this game.
You know, we Nick did a great job of this team,
of his teams being in great condition. We you know,
much like the Patriots. There was a lot of conditioning
in Alabama. I felt like we were in better condition
in that game than we were than Georgia was. You know,
we were able to go fast and Georgia was very
big upfront, very talent too. But maybe we could you know,

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get him huffing and puffing a little bit and be
able to you know, sneak a couple of plays in
there on him. And that was the game plan going in.
Can you can you? We got to give the listener context.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
How how different is it coaching football at Alabama in Alabama?
Like the s I don't know this world.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, so can you explain to me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Like I'm a fifth grade kid from Boston or Situate
or something like Situate South South South.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Sure, Yeah, that's great town. Yeah, I don't know. I
would say yes, I I could be. I would love
to tell you all the story, but like I'll give
you one example for the spring game, which is basically
a glorified scrimmage. Right, we get on Doug Marona and
I Doug was the line coach and I was the coordinator.
So this is our first name Alabama. Yeah, he's wor
he's helping me out of BC. So anyways, he we

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get on the bus to go to the spring game.
We this is our first Alabama spring game. So you know,
we've been head coach in the NFL. We we kind
of seen a lot, you know, we never seen anything
like this. So we get on these buses and we
were on the first bus and we're driving out and
the way you go. Have you ever been to a
game there? You got to You gotta try to go
to a game. We gotta go. You gotta go to
an Alabama.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
It's on the bucket list.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So you just kind of go out and bang a
left and the stadium is probably half a mile, you know,
down on the left.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
But as you're going, it is like probably twenty deep
on each side of the road of people all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
The way to the stadium. And then when you get
to this it's just for the spring game, forget the
game for a regular game. And then there's probably at
least at least for the spring game, twenty thousand people
outside what they call the Champions Walkway, like to greet
you when you get off the bus, to escort you
basically into the locker room. Yeah. I mean that's just
for the spring game. Like they live. You know, it's

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all about football there. It's you know, it's an unbelievable
football school. It's a great football job that Nick and
Bear Bryant made legendary and they do everything there, you know,
to support the football team in many many ways, whether
it's recruiting or even academic or you know, weight room, training,
room nutrition.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I mean, that's an A one program right there, and
it wasn't like that until Saban got there. Since Bear Bryant,
there was a long time where they Bama. Wasn't Bama mediocrity.
The only reason they're Bama now is because I mean,
when Nick got there. I remember when I was a kid,
Alabama was a second thought. It was always Florida State, Miami,

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the U was big, Texas was big, you know, and
it was crazy to see the transformation. Jack, give us
the game.

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
Yeah, just a little context on the lead up of
this game. This was a battle of the two best
teams in college football, the only two teams to have
been ranked number one that season. So this was this
was the game and if Bama didn't win this one,
the playoff was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Probably off the time. It was the one loss we
had to win this game.

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
And another storyline coming into it was was Kirby smart
against the Tide and three in his career. Georgia hadn't
beaten Alabama since seven, like Kirby wanted to get one,
which was another storyline in Atlanta in their backyard.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Early on, it starts out slow, uh, pretty scoreless first quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
Georgia gets on the board first with a field goal,
and then in the second it really opens up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
So it opens up in the second. But when you're
you're you're the offensive coordinator, you put in the game plan,
We're gonna you probably present to Nick, We're probably we
gotta go fast as slow this d line down, make
them communicate with a lot of our formations, our bunches.
When it's a slow first quarter, are you making adjustments
to the game plan or are you just sticking with

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the game plan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You guys are executing better. Yeah, no, we we had
to adjust. It was it actually was ten nothing. They
they went up ten nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
But the second quarter you got there was fireworks.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, fireworks. We did adjust we we we went to
my recollection is we did we were going to struggle
to run the ball. So we put the ball basically
in Bryce's hands and we had, like I said, two
good receivers, good tight end and even the backs out
of the back for were good in the passing game,
so you could check it down to them and they
were gonna make yards. So we we we knew, like, look, man,

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we're gonna have to really throw the football here to
win this game. We hit Taffy for like an eighty
yard touchdown. Yeah, so we had to clear out with
the toggle with the free route, and we hit the
free route I think for eighty yard touchdown to Jamison Williams.
I think it was so. And then we we came
in at halftime. We said, hey, they're sitting on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Something at the bunch. Yeah, yeah, the cross.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Was he the second guy or the first guy? He
was the he was the toggle runner, Okay, he was
the top guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Wow. So then we there's no one near him. They
blew it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
It was a communication thing once again with those bunches.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Motioned to it. Yeah. Yeah. And then in the second
half we knew we could double move him, so we
said if we saw cover four, we were gonna give
Jmo a curl go because the safety was jumping the
hell out of the curl. Yeah, and so Bryce he
pumped him and he ran a curl going. He threw
it and we had like a sixty yard I think
it was a fifty five yard bomb to Ja yeah

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in the third quarter. Yeah, I think that was the
first drive of the of the third of the second
half and that that kind of helped us a big
That was a big time play. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
So how how how are you guys? What's the halftime
like with with the sabing? Are you guys in this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
You know, halftime in the in college is a little
bit longer, you know, in the NFL eight Yeah, it's
probably more like fifteen twenty minutes, whereas in the pros
it's what age twelve twelve, So unless you're in the
super Bowl or twenty yeah, where it's longer, Yeah, then
you can take a nap. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah,
we we definitely came in and you know, he he,

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you know, Nick's very intense, so he was like, look,
what are we doing? How are we going to do this?
And but Nick also sees the game and I can
remember distinctly he's saying, like, hey, look, we're gonna have
to throw the ball to win this game. And so
we just made sure we had our best passes ready
to go. We had a couple new wrinkles we put
in at halftime, like, hey, we're going to run this
this way. And these kids, the kids that were playing
for us, were very very smart football players, you know,

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so they could They're like, no problem, coach, we got that.
And that's kind of what what halftime was like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
And and once you guys go out and score and
have that big play in the third quarter to started off,
that's when that momentum started kicking over there. Now, as
a play caller, how do you are you just like
keep it going because you guys started you know, there
was a pick six. You guys are starting to blow
them out. Now, what was the mentality on the play calling,
like are we trying to run this thing down or
are we trying to fucking score.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
When you got into the fourth quarter of this game
like that pick six? After that pick six, I can't
that was Jordan Battle, Yeah, I took that back. I
think after that when it was thirty eight seventeen, I
think you know, Nick was in control of that. He
would tell us like, hey, let's let's uh, you know,
have the million o'clock and hand the ball off and
see if we can get you know, at least run
it twice and then try to get it on third
down with a pass.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Maybe now was the Heisman wasn't in yet for this? No,
so this is this was probably a statement game for him,
big time Auburn.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
And then you know he followed up the Auburn game
with this kid. That's why he won the Heisman. I maan,
I would say those two games were huge for him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
How's that feel for you to be, you know, your
first year at Bama for what you just came from.
You know, when you get fired. I mean every coach
has been fired in national or in football, any football,
every coach has been fired. But you know, it really
says something to someone to be able to you know,
move move on, turn the page, like Bob Seeker said,
and just get back on the road. And then finds

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this and he's got a Heisman Trophy winner as the
play caller. I mean, how do you feel after That's
that's a big year, that's a big overcoming of something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Regardless. No, I do appreciate that. I look, I think
that coaching is like you know, like you, like I
described you playing, there's a lot of resiliency that has
to take place in coaching coaching. You know, when you
get into coaching, you think everything's going to be you know,
you're gonna win every game and you're gonna That's just
not the case, right, There's good years. Hopefully there's a

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lot more good than bad. In my career. I've actually
had a lot of good years and not that many
bad years, which so it's it's been good for me.
But but there are times where you have to you know,
something you get knocked down, you got to pick yourself
back up. And this was a chance for personally, for
me to do this, and and these guys. It was
just a great team. Like you can see the picture there,
like will Anderson one of the best guys ever and

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a great person, you know, Metchi and then in this
game towards Aco, yeah and so, and then in the
in the National Championship game which we lost, Jamis and
Williams tore his ACL on a pistol, Yeah, on a pistol.
He kind of twisted around and go anywhere trying and
so we you know, we struggled without those two guys,
and Georgia was good. So get on his toes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, until he opens up. That's when you stick. It's
a coaching play, that's really easy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Great route.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Now Jack sum up the game and then we got
to score this bad boy.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Yeah, picked off Stetson Bennett twice there in the second half,
held Georgia scoreless in the third. I ended up winning
this thing. Forty one twenty four, just locked up Bryce
Young's heisman. First Alabama QB to ever win the Heisman.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Uh. And then, as as.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Coach alluded to, Bama would go on to lose the
rematch in the Natty. Uh after those two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Burdals, lot of injuries, win the same team. Yeah, I
mean give Georgia. Georgia had a great team and they
you know, they were ready to go in the next game.
The next the National Championship game, was a good game.
Then we threw a pick six on that in that
game we were guy was supposed to convert, didn't convert
or whatever, and we didn't win the next game. But uh,
but that that team, you know, that's a that's a

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very you know, just a great Alabama team without a doubt.
I mean Matie Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I'm pulling for Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Yeah, he's a great guy him. I've met him a
couple of times at some functions.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah, very nice guys like genuine, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Very like wasn't drinking or anything. You could tell he
had his head on straight. Ye. Great parents, great, great family.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
He was a He was a very fun guy to coach,
and in many ways relative to college I coached him
like like Tom like he he studied a lot of tape.
He was very prepared, so he had his own you know,
thoughts and ideas and things like that. And uh, he
was awesome to coach. Great kid. Now does he owned
the Mount Rushmore of Alabama guys? Oh yeah, yeah yeah

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for quarterback on that? Who else well, Joe Namath, Bart
Starr to h Bryce, Jalen mac One and Natty got
of putting Mac up there. I don't know how many
guys are on Rushmore, but it's a big that's a
big rush. They've had some great quarterbacks there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Kenny Stabler, Sorry Kenny Stabler, the snake can't forget that
joker man. All right, let's score any leftover questions, Jack.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
Man, I got about a million, but I know we
got to get through this. If one quick one in,
can you explain rat poison to the people at home?
Can you explain Nick Saban's rat poison? Yeah, he thinks that,
you know, and and he's right. A lot of these kids,
you know, they're on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
The phones or you know, so they're reading, Hey, Alabama's
Unbelievabley're never gonna lose the blow. They're gonna, you know,
run away with the national title, like you know, just
pumping them up all the time. Don't believe that that's
rat poison. They're put and they're giving your rat poison.
They're making your head big and you're gonna you're not
gonna pay attention to the details, and you're gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
So do you ever use that in a staff meaning
with you guys, I don't. I don't think he ever
les let me use that rat poison?

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
No, No, he never used that. He he was his
staff meetings were very we're good. He every staff meaning
he was very prepared for and he gave you thoughts
and ideas to for that day or that game or whatever.
It was good. His staff means He's a machine. The
same thing with Bill, Bill's staff meanings. You learn something
and think about Bill when I think about Bill and

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staff beans, and that's with that's you as a coach.
You learned the most in the team meetings and the
staff meanings when you watch tape together. So some coaches
will say, why am I watching the defense, like I'm
on offense. Can I go now and meet with it. No,
If you watch the defense and you listen to what
they're talking about, that's how you learned defense, and then
you can go apply that to you with your players.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And I learned I learned that when I went in
team meetings, well when I went to defense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, no doubt, you know, like just like he with
the guys that he grows from the ground, like Josh
McDaniels and Billy Flows and all he crossed coaches him
first before they get to go to the side of
the ball. They want to go to no doubt, which
I learned so much more that year about a defender
and his technique. Now you hear it when coaches are
coaching it to you. But to be taught the technique,

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I mean, I I credit that such a huge part
of how I learned how to run routes. And then
obviously watching guys in front of me, but like that
was like huge, and then like how they were trying
to disguise things. If you learn the nuances of like
what the DB's doing, no doubt you know it helped you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Let's name the game. Is this the roll tied roll game?
The Bulldog beat Down or the Bryce Young show? Billy, Oh,
I gotta go with bry Young show. I got to
go with Bryce.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
I think he threw for four to sixty in this game, four.

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
Sixty hung up, but over five hundred yards on this
on this Georgia defense. Insane on one fifteen the air.
It was what a game Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Christ against one of the most legendary like defenses.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
I mean Jamison Williams alone had one hundred and eighty
four receiving yards. Insane. Yeah, how good did that feel? Afterwards? Coach?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
It was great? That was yeah. My family was there,
My son and my wife came to the game, and
the locker room was that was it? Yeah? Because that
was we were definitely as you guys said, like it
was rare for Alabama to be an underdog and we were,
and a lot of people picked Georgia to win, and
and we we won that game, and that was a
huge game. Wish we could have won the next one,
but we didn't. But that was a great memory of

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that game and that that In the Alabama Indoor facility,
they have the years of the National Championships and they
have the years of the SEC Championships, which is a
big deal with Alabama, and our our year will be
up there, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Uh heank, Yeah, it's a big year. We'll be right
back after this quick break. Is this the greatest game
of all time? Let's score it, Billy Oh? Stakes zero
to ten decimals? Okay, the stakes of this specific SEC championship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Game, well, the stakes at that time were huge for
us because we had to win to be in the playoffs.
So I would say for that time for Alabama, you know,
it's a ten. I mean we had to win it.
We had to win. They had to win to get
into the the playoffs, the four team playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I thought you were a listener, you know, you know
that's a rookie score.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Is that a rookie score? Yeah? Ten's a rookie scorer.
I am a listener. I'm supposed to use a decimal. Yeah,
you can do anything you want to know, I should.
I'm sorry that was definitely a rookie score.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
No, I mean, I mean just hearing how Billy Oh
was talking about how the SEC Championship is, like that's
a big thing. Like they don't just look at the
National Championship. It's a lot of times it's the SEC
Championship because it's such a dominant conference. I'm gonna go
with an eight point nine. It's not the Natty, so
it's not an nine or ten, but it's eight point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Ooh Jack, give it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
An eight point nine as well. Same brain, baby, let's
get an eight point one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
We got star power zero to ten. We do have
a Heisman Trophy winner in this game. We have a
bunch of pros in this game. I mean, I think
Philadelphia's whole team went to the Georgia and we're not
even talking about Alabama. So the stakes of this are
the star power of this game. Billio, I think I
have to I have to not be a rookie anymore.

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I'm gonna go eight point six, eight point six, it's
a good score.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I think it's definitely above eight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna go eight eight eight eight four eight
four seven three.

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
Man too low, Sorry, guys, my goodness, jack seven three
Russian judge over here, man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Geez, still's still college it. They're gonna be stars, yeah,
very they're they're pro guys. They're pro guys. I don't know,
I don't get it, and I kind of look down
there means more than the sec baby, Okay, massive, massive
Patriot fans.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Let's go with the game play. The gameplay of the game,
zero to ten decimals. Okay, this was a close game
in the first quarter. Actually they were losing a huge
swing in that second quarter. Then it was just straight
bombs over Baghdad on the second half.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
So fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, me, I would say eight point eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Eight point eight. It was a blowout. It was a
blow out. I'm gonna go with the seven seven solid lot.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
I have to learn the score, all right, we're in
the same neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Getting at me for all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Are you talking about it a great game to the championship.
I mean, we've had World Cup finalists, we've had World
Series on here, we've had national Championships. I mean, this
is a great conference championship, you know what I mean.
The name of the game the Bright Show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah, I think it's the Bryce Young Show. But you
got to score the name. Oh I'm giving that a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Young for you this year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Brother, I'm gonna go with the I'll go with the
eight point eight. That's a that's a high score. I
don't give fucking there's never been a ten given.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
I rush and judge it again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
With a five point said, you know, do the math, Tyler,
do the magic math calculating.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
We'll get all of our averages. So this is like
Portnoy's pizza score, Like if.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
It is kind of one one nibble, everyone knows a
law seven point seven point eight solid score?

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Does that go? In the games that we have done?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
That puts us just uh the greatest twenty eighth, just
ahead of l Way versus Montana, the nineteen ninety four
Week seven Chiefs versus Broncos's actual the two thousand and
five NBA Finals Game five Spurs versus Pistons. I mean
it's not a bad spot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
The number one game is the two thousands.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Oh, that was a great game, All Timer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
That was freezing cold.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
It wasn't just that, it was just the storylines of it.
Oh my god, the passing of the torch that kind
of was there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Yeah not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, that's what I mean, that's what they thought it
was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
So the Malcolm Butler game. So we had to play
in practice the other day that was basically exactly that play,
but the wait on offense or defense the Seattle offensive
play versus our defense versus the BC defense, and the
guy didn't really because you know, I can't remember the
guy's name. Browner stuffed the point guy, which allowed Malcolm

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to play over the top. Our guy didn't do that,
So you know, the guy, but the back guy got
picked and we ran the option and scored.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And so I showed that play. This is why you
have to This is win Super Bowls. This play right there,
and you should show him. I think it was do
your job. I remember being in Arizona watching Josh Boyce
score five fucking touchdowns on this that same play, and
the whole coaching point was brown you got to blow

(01:22:56):
up the fucking the front guy to make traffic. We
we got burned on that five times in practice on
like the Thursday before the Super Bowl, and then we
kept on practice in it and then you know, they
finally got it, but it was ingrained in their head
and then once the game came in muscle memory, you've.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Been able to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
While we're talking about this, I've got a two part question. Yeah, one,
what's the most or useful Ernie nugget you ever got?
And then second part, what's the most annoying Ernie Card?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Oh god, So, Ernie, you know, some of the smartest
people I've ever met were at the Patriots, coaches and players.
Like that was the other thing too, Like there were
so many there was a lot of you know, intellectual
capacity at the Patriots, which is a huge thing in
football especially. So Ernie had an incredible memory. And I've

(01:23:48):
watched your Guys podcast with him. He's awesome on this.
Like if you could have him once a month, I'm
sure because he could remember. So if you went to
him and you said, hey, Ernie, I'll never forget this.
I went to him and I asked him about what
we call a Toro situation, which which before the jeels
would so it's third down to fourth down, the offense
doesn't have any timeouts. They need a field goal to win,

(01:24:09):
they're in field goal range. Maybe it's like third and
twenty twenty two seconds, it's twenty two. This is the question.
I was like, hey, Ernie, what do you think is
the least amount of time that you would need to
complete a fifteen yard pass be able to get up there,
despite you know, run the field goal team out and
all that, and so he said in nineteen so this

(01:24:30):
is I want to say, I was running the offense,
So it's probably nine or ten. Yeah, two thousand and
nine and twenty ten, so he said. And Brady had
another I have a great Brady memory story too, on
the same lines. But Ernie said, in nineteen seventy eight,
I was working for Chuck Fairbanks in the same situation

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came up. We were playing I forget maybe the Steelers,
I forget, but it was third down going to fourth down,
and we did it with nineteen seconds. And I was like,
did you say nineteen seventy eight? I was nine in
nice seventy eight. This guy, so you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
He remembered the play the hash mark, and it's the
same wind pattern, the wind pattern which direct yeah, exactly
which direction they were the old stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
I mean it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
That's unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
And then the card do you know how the card
stuff came up? So the card So basically we would
meet and then we would go walk through the cards
for practice. So Bill was getting kind of pissed because
the guys would go out and we'd have, you know,
really good practices because they had already walked through the car.
You know, maybe there'd be a screw up here and there,

(01:25:43):
but not many like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
There were a lot of perfect practices when I was
at the Patriots with the good and so no Emmys
things like that. A Bill was like, you know, you
guys like, you know, you walk through the cards and
then they it's the same cards that they see a practice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
I mean, this is ridiculous. So you know what we're
gonna do on Fridays. Me and Ernie got the cards.
So I'm like he started doing it with Josh. Yeah,
he did it in seven or eight and I can't remember.
Josh like, oh my god, it's gonna be brutal. So
Ernie we would go out to practice and Ernie would

(01:26:19):
have some defense on the card that was you know,
if you watched the last two years of the defense
that we were playing you probably you wouldn't have seen that.
So Tom would always go, Ernie, they don't do that, Ernie,
they don't do that, and Ernie would go, they did
it ten years ago against the Giants in regular season
week ten or something like what who did was the court?

(01:26:41):
But they did if you went back and looked it up,
they did some crazy exotic blitz exotic and and in
the end, what it was was it was a lot
about trying to really keep Tom on his toes because
Tom was so you know, Tom was a brilliant player,
so like it forced him to like think about who
he was gonna make the mic and tell this guy

(01:27:02):
to run the you know what I mean. Yeah, that's
a lot of it had to do with challenging.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
They wanted to put you in an uncomfortable situation in practice,
so if it came in it didn't matter if the
play we were practicing was going to be the play
we're gonna do in a game. If that situation came
where we didn't see something, we could still do something
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
And you wouldn't just ship your pants and say like,
oh fuck, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
So it was a lot of that. Like I was
saying that Jedi shit, the.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
Idea of Tom yelling at already like it's not fame.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
I love that, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
But the same thing would happen like if when Rabel
Rabel would be on a scout team. Oh boy, oh yeah,
you gotta get brable on it. I know what, give
me some good Rabe stuff. Ohrab was awesome. Rabel would
be like, uh, he would play safety on the scout team,
and if he ever picked Tom off, he would take
the ball into the backfield and just spike it right

(01:27:54):
next to where Tom's sandy. Nothing pissed Tom off and
they're like best friends, you know, so nothing pissed him
off more than that. And Rabel will just be like,
you know, he would line up down and there we'd
been playing the Steelers, so he would be playing Palamalu,
so he'd get down in there in the a gap
and and Tom would be like like, they don't do
that just and Mike would go, Palamalu does it? Troy's

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gonna do it on Sundays. I promise you that. Like
it would be like thistagonize them. Oh it was awesome, man.
Practice was that was when practice was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Do you remember when you were there when Gronk put
out the easy button on Friday?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
No. I told this story about Gronk the other day.
Gronk was a rookie and Bill would come in on
Wednesdays sometimes and he would go he would test the
team whiz us. He would quiz him and and as
assistant coaches, you had a seven thirty meetings. So you
would alert these guys like, hey man, you better know
your stuff because he's gonna test you today. And these
guys would all be like, oh my god. They'd be
looking at the punters range and averages and stuff, and

(01:28:57):
so Grenk so they come in and I forget it.
We're playing and let's say they're playing the Jets or whatever.
And so he goes, all right, Gronkowski, who's the Mike linebacker,
And Gronk had his scout book like between his feet,
and so he looked at Bill and he looked down
and he was moving the page.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
And Bill goes, Jesus Christ Kronk and the whole team
started laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
But the best quiz story though, that I just remember.
It was my first year there. Vinnie Testa Verdi was
in training again, Vinnie Testaverdi is like one of the
greatest guys ever. Yeah, just an awesome guy. And I
actually spent a lot of time with him because I
was working with the like the backup quarterbacks. So Vinnie Vinnie,
We're in a meeting and we're getting ready for a
preseason game. Vinnie's like forty something years old, big guy,

(01:29:46):
big dude, big, you know, just a big guy and great,
was a great player at the end of his career,
right guy. Yeah, yeah, So so anyways, Castle, So anyways,
he Bill comes in, and Vinnie always had a brief case,
carry a briefcase, like into the meetings and stuff. So
Bill comes in. He's like, all right, Vinni's gonna play
in this preseason game. All right, Vinnie, who's the starting

(01:30:09):
Who are the two starting safeties? Vinnie. Vinnie goes into.

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
His briefcase, takes out his reading glasses, flips to the
Skuy report, and gives Bill the two starting states.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
The whole team is in tears, laughing Bill, Jesus Christ,
I'll never forget that. Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Oh, thank you so much for coming on. Everyone, get
ready for the Boston College football season. Go out to
a game check it out. They're gonna do some special things, Billy.
You know, the BILLYO is gonna be developing these guys
into great young men that can go out and compete
at a tough, high level. You know, that's what I
always expect when I think of guys that are coached
by you. That's what you should me. I love you

(01:30:59):
to death, Thank you, Thank you, guys coaching. Appreciate you, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
That was that was another great show. He's the best
Billy Oh good storyteller.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
Oh great, a guy had been waiting to have on
the show forever since we met him at the Brady and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I love Billy Oh, Billy Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
He loves he watches our show. His favorite episode, he said,
was what baron the Baron Davis love mead.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
He didn't come out with a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Bit of a rookie score, rookie score, but he recovered,
He recovered, He recovered. That's that's that's resilience he was
talking about. You know, that's it's a coachable guy that
listens to the heartbeat of what we need to do,
what's best for the the programmer or the team, which
means BC's in good hands.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Amen.

Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
We're Eagles fans over here, now Eagles. He converted us
him and Doug him in the region. Amen, we should,
we should, we should write a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Letter to the Pope. Get them some more funding.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
Serious, I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Something, at least some of those red shoes something. Come on, man,
a Pope mobile anything, or at least a come visit
the campus, run some rally. You gotta stick together those
the Catholics.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Right, what position would the Pope play? You think?

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Quarterback man, the QB baby, he's leading that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Got a free safety, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
An option QB.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
No, he's he's calling the shots.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Hal Ma, young action baby.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I've seen, I've seen, I've seen angels and demons. He's
calling the shots.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
So what is it?

Speaker 9 (01:32:27):
Da Vinci code? One of those I've seen those. Man,
those shout out Dan Brown, good good movies. Let's hit
the old hot line. Let's hit it again. That number
is four two four two nine one two two nine zero.
Let's hear these ones. These are getting better and better.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
I know how to combat a brush as an offensive lineman. Uh,
I know, showing that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Woman is obviously the best balker in all of the NFL.
So he's probably well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
If I guy to ever ask you a question like that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
All right, bye, good question. Technical question? Now what is
he as an offensive alignment? You know, I'm not alignment,
but I always hear anchor, Anchor, you gotta anchor down
on the bull rush and use your hands, your length.
That's what I always hear scar saying, you gotta hit
them so they can't you know, they can't get up

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under you when they bull rush you pad level, get
your use your length and then anchor. I don't know,
I'm not alignment, but I heard the best line coach
of all time say that a million trillion times.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Scarn.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
We gotta get a scar On to Now what if
they hit you with a Dwight Freeney spin move?

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
That's that's that's different. Then you gotta set, you gotta
you gotta drop set. Okay, those guys, I mean there's
a we gotta get scar On to talk about. You know,
we need we need Jackie Slater. Oh yes, I remember
one night he was telling me Slate, get we need,
we need jack On, We need we need mister Slater.

(01:33:58):
Are you guys drinking that?

Speaker 8 (01:34:00):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I don't know if we're you know so say that,
but I remember Jack was telling me what he used
to do with LT. I mean that he'll teach us
how to pass set.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Got to get them on.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Goat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Let's hear the next one.

Speaker 8 (01:34:12):
Hey, Jewels question, is it true if you don't use
it you lose it?

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
I mean, yeah, it's definitely true. It goes with anything,
your body, anything, your brain, anything, everything. If you don't
use it, you lose it. I learned that like right
when I retired, when I stopped working out, my body's
just started feeling I felt like shit, you know, and
it was you know, I wasn't working out. You know,

(01:34:44):
you get so beaten down and like my body was
hurting even more. And then when I started, you know,
working out, that's how you can mask your pain through strength.
So if you don't use it, you lose it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Muscle memory, penny in the jar every day.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
It adds up. Put it in the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
That's something Bill, you just say all the time when
we go to conditioning the run, Hill just put it
in the bank.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
We gotta have someone to tally all our Bill shit.
So when he gets on this podcast finally, hopefully soon
one day when he's not you know, doing other people's podcasts,
launching his own post. He's launching five podcasts. We just
got to read off his quotes and I want to
I want to ask him to do his can coach,
can you give me like a what the fuck? And

(01:35:34):
he probably look at me like you want to fucking
kill me?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Like what was what I just said? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Put it in the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Put it in the put it in the bank.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
What's the program?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
When huh Like we're not on the program.

Speaker 7 (01:35:52):
We'll make it like that that Simpson's meme, like say
the line, coach, can you just say asshole?

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Fucking asshole? Can you say fucking asshole?

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Like back in the e bombs World days have like
a Bill Belichick soundboard?

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Oh, we need we need to build.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
We need a soundboard.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
We definitely do. Soundboards are a death of a podcast.
We cannot do a soundboard.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
No, I didn't know what soundboard is for Bill. We
could all right, Next question.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
Hey, George, I'm Jake from Easy South, Carolina. My brother
looks up to you TV twelve and Rob drown Khaki
is one of the goats that ever play the game
and his idols so I know it says if you're
seeking sports device, hit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
The hot line but like, I'm gonna hit the hot
line to.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Ask you a question. So one what made you and
TV twelve have such a good connection on and off
the field? And then two why did you save your beard?
It looks so sexy?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Connection is a practice, repetition, you know, we to make
it look good on a Sunday. You got to do
it like a trillion times. I don't even know the number,
but we had to do it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
And then cutting the beard. You know, my mom likes
it cut. Lily kind of likes it cut, not too
can't be too short because the stubble hurts her. So
I don't know, I just get bored with the beard.
It's a lot of work. You can't even drink a
like when my beard gets long, I can't drink a
like slam My morning smoothie. Then it gets in my

(01:37:20):
lip and you got a flax seat in your fucking
stash the flavora you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Like just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Tyler in on this beard people, Okay, I thought it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
The beard's been that sounds about, sounds about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
I remember this question for beard. Don't do anything. That's
the whole point of having a beard. Yeah, I like
line it up and do ship, then just shave your face.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, but when you cut your beard, you don't have
to do ship when you do activity. When you have
a beard, you may not do ship for your face,
but then you have to do a lot of ship
reactively because of your beard. Like what when you eat,
you gotta like you gotta make sure there's no fucking
sauce in your beard when you drink a smoothie, when
you put your chin strap, you know, you the shit's

(01:38:09):
all up in there, you got and then your your
shit's looking weird. You know, you may have a little
gef on there after like a day of work. Like,
there's a lot that goes into a beard. So like
the whole I don't give a nah. Guys that have beards,
they give a fuck. I have never mine Toto Tomato. Well,
that was a great episode and thanks again to Old Billio.

(01:38:33):
That was a fun one.

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The man.

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