The Goal Line Stand Game with Willie McGinest | Patriots vs. Colts (2003) - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You went to school with Snoop.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Snoop was there, Cameron Diaz was there.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Did you guys all know each other?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Of course? Cameron used to cheer, Yeah, cheer for a boy.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Willie Matt In twenty seventeen. I'm walking down com av
in the park. I swear to God, it's Cameron Diaz.
She walks randomly right by me.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Did you say hello?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Didn't say hello?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Great story?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
You should have told you know, Willy, It's a great story.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I know I should have said, hey, my friend's Willie back.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
They called me squirrel. I'm kind of a big deal
out here in Boston.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Gentleman. They're Jack
and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the
greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are
covering Patriots versus Colts Week thirteen, two thousand and three
with Patriots Hall of Famer, three times super Bowl champ
and Long Beach legend Willie McGinnis. And we're talking Colts

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versus Patriot. It's rivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
One of the best teams ever.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I would say, offensively, how to trick Peyton Manning?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
You cannot let him see what you're in coverages are nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
And Willie's thoughts on coach Vrabel he doesn't want to
be Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
And then we had the hotline with this week's Chisen
presented by Corp's Light. You gotta stick around to the
very end.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Games of Name is the production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
November thirty, two thousand and three, the RCA Dome, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
It all comes down to one yard, but.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Willie Mack said, not today.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
This is not today in the RCA.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at
Patriots versus Colts early on in the Rivalry, Week thirteen
of the two thousand and three season, with Willie Mack
in one sentence, Willie, why did you pick this game?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh? It's one of the games I think a lot
of fans from Indianapolis hate me for just because of
what came of that game. You know what we got
out of it. After the game, we got home filled
throughout and the infamous they called the fake injury, the
fake injury, the fake injury.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's one of I wouldn't say it's the greatest because
it's it's you know it's a regular season game, but
it had a lot of emphasis on where we went
that year. But it's one of you know, you can't
ever you played in super Bowls and played in big games,
you can't ever like put certain stack certain super Bowls
over regular AFC championships or games that had a lot
of implications on where you landed. But foundation, it's a

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foundational It's a memorable game. It's an important game in
my career, of course, because a lot of people remember.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That, Yeah, this is an insane game. What is the
greatest game of all time?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Probably? The first Super Bowl for me was in two
thousand and one when we played the Rams Greatest Show
on turf, because nobody really gave us a chance. Nobody
thought we could win that game, just because how talented
they were, not only offensively, but they had a top
three defense as well. They just had they just had
so many weapons on both sides of the ball. And

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I just remember the stories of them getting fitted for
their ring, the next ring that they were going to get.
Everybody had that nobody gave us a chance. Nobody except
for I think like maybe Barkley and Chuck Chuck gave
us a chance, and I think Mayweather, believe it or not,
in the fight he was in the actual fight and

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somebody yelled out who you have in the Super Bowl
and he yelled out Patriots during a fight.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
He gambles on it, I think.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
A lot. And it was only like two or three
people that picked us to win that game. Like of
all the.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Talking heads, we had Ernie Adams, Ernie and we talked
on that that that game and the famous Ernie he
I mean, he was so acstatic about the defense, how
you got because that was like the highest scoring offense
in history at the time, like that was, and that
pretty much.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
To change everything because of their offense, of how electric
and explosive they were and all the weapons that they had,
all the Hall of Famers that they have. Offensively, we
had to change pretty much everything. If we if we
tried to play the way they played, it wouldn't have
been closed. Now.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, And then you know a rule was changed after
that game too, I think right, or was that after
this one as well?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
After this we had a couple of rule changes after
always rule changes when the Patriots when man, it was
good to see you at the Hall of Fame, Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was man. Congratulations to a well deserving man. A
guy who was always scrappy, came up with the big plays,
played hard, played through injury, tough, toughest nails. And I
told a lot of guys, they you resemble like a
true patriot like that. You mentioned it, the blue collar,
the hard work, they never giving up, just constantly going

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after it. And it was when your number was always called,
you always make the big play man.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
That means a lot. What people don't realize. The lore
of Willie Mack in our locker room was like the
Patriot way. He was the Patriot sheriff in the locker room.
And to hear that from him means a lot because
we we we idolized you guys, because we were dry

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for ten years before, you know, for that whole thing,
and you guys were the standard. And we kept on
hearing about the stories and and Bill would bring you
up as examples, and you know, to hear that from
the guys that we I looked up to, quick.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Question, was that did that bother you guys? Because it
bothered me. I heard different stories like damn, I'm just
I'm tired of hearing about the other guys. But it wasn't.
It wasn't like a comparison was It wasn't. More like,
this is the blueprint to winning.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know how Bill is when he puts up other tape.
I guarantee he was putting up that Lawrence Taylor tape
on that fucking on the tech, the tackle guard, the pull,
you know, the toss gater draft that everyone runs. I
guarant like he would bring up you guys and in
crucial situations yearly. And at first you know, it was awesome,

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but then afterwards it was motivating because after we won one,
we're like, all right, we want to I want to go.
We want to be in that category. And then you
win another one and then you know in like, oh
we got it. We could we could make mad.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Just the formula though, And I think he did it
to say this is the formula exactly, like it's the preparation,
it's the hard work. It's trust me, Like, if you
do it, do things a certain way. You guys are
all different, right, but if you do things a certain way,
this is the end result one.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And it was that I tell people that's an advantage
also for when you have a staff that sticks together
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's hard to do.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's hard to do. And also having the same systems
in place for a decade before you, so when you're
installing what your template is for offense, defense, special teams,
you have countless examples of how it's done right. And
that's a huge thing for teaching it. And that's why,

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like the Chiefs are in this pocket where all they
got to focus on is situational football because all these
motherfuckers come in and they know how to win. Because
of the number one guys on that team winning, you know,
they know how to do it.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
The system has been in place, and if you can
walk through it, we can show it. Like you said,
we can show ten years of it. We can show
players like you doing it. We could show you whatever
example you need. You can go to the tape and
show it as well as like, here's what we're doing,
here's the install here's what I need you to do.
Blah blah blah, I don't really understand. Okay, well we're

(08:22):
gonna we're gonna go walk through it. And then by
the way, here's like ten guys doing it.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Look, nik, Look you can't get past the quarterback. Look,
Look how Willie Matt does it. You get to the
depth of the quarterback and then you like you got
motherfuckers in our head.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I can still hear hear his voice doing that time.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
But the crazy thing is, you played for Parcels and
Belichick and Peak, Carroll and pekare in the middle. Did
you see some of the Parcels and Bill Bill's approach
to things with his own? What was his wrinkle that
was different? What were some of the similarities I.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Think with with with Parcels like Belichick coaches under Parcels,
that he's part of that. And then I think Parcels
like had his way of communicating, he had his way
of doing things. It was that era. And I think
once we got with Belichick, he had already been another
head coach with Cleveland. He had left it his own thing.

(09:17):
Then he came back and I think he understood that
there's certain principles and things, the foundational things like you
mentioned that I need to keep in place, and if
I want to run a certain style of system, I
got to have certain type of guys. That was the
other thing. It was always the DNA, the makeup with
type of guys and to fulfill those roles in what

(09:41):
I wanted to do. And I think what was similar
between both coaches, what was super important is they knew
how to put guys in position. They wouldn't put you
in a position where you're going to fail or you
know it was going to hurt the team. They were
always put you in position of strength where they knew
that you can do X, Y and Z. And they

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wanted a certain type of guy, a certain type of team. Smart,
you sit on the wall, tough, physical preparation, all those
things that those are the kind of guys that when
you were with Parcels going into the Patriots Hall of Fame,
he said he had a template of what type of
guy he wanted to draft and to fit with system.
It just trickled down to Bill and then Bill put

(10:24):
his twist on it. He's the mass scientist, and he
took everything to a whole other level. Because the player changes,
the rules changes, the game changes, but the game, as
far as the actual football, never changes. It's just how
you tweak it in the wrinkles you put in one.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
And it's and it's really cool to see the current Patriots. Yes,
it looks like they're going back to that getting the
right guy in the locker room, who played in that
who's played in that system. Now you play with Rabes.
How you think he's doing out here.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think he's doing well. I think what Rabe understands
is he doesn't want to be Bill, and I think
that's important for a lot of coaches who coach under
really great coaches that have a long tenure anywhere. He
doesn't want to be Bill. And he also played in
Pittsburgh under Kyleer right, he doesn't want to be those coaches.
But he takes everything he learned from those coaches and

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he applies it and he's verable. He's himself. You know,
he has fun. He wants the players to have fun,
but when it's time to work, it's time to work.
He gets after you. Everybody's held accountable. Doesn't matter who
you are, your name's going to go up on the
team meeting room if you make mistakes or whatever the
case may be. So I think he's found a sweet

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spot between all the coaches he's played for and how
he wants the coach, but taking all the information he's
learned over the years from some of the best. And
I think you always have to do that you don't
have to be them now, but take the information and
use it because it works.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You could tell he's delivering the information. The difference is
how he's delivering it, right, and you know what I mean.
And that's the evolvement of the guy.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Guys need to be delivered information in different ways each
new generation. Right, That's just how it is, right, And
it's been really cool. And I think working at the
college level for him with the Ohio State and the
young kids and then bouncing around going you know what
I mean, I think that helps him different. It's different now.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's different, it's different. I remember going to Georgia and
talking to the linebackers and the d ns, and I
was interested in how Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart taught some
of the players, and it was it was funny. They
would send to their phones, right, they would send first
of all, they're send the play and then they would
sending a picture of like the name of the play.

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Then they would they would show the play, but they
would have the music going on with the play. So
because the players are always in their phone, right, so
they always got their phone. So if they got the
music and they got and then they showed the coach
given a signal, and it was just like four or
five different ways to digest that one play along with
music going on, and I was just like, that's pretty interesting,

(13:16):
that's pretty cool. It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
In the middle of my career, when we started doing
the NASCAR, it was the muddle huddle fast you know,
the fast tempo offense, no huddle.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I know, well the Bills used to do.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Bills used to do it a lot, and every generation
they have it. But I saw the transformation to the
new generation when they started giving out we had to
The play call used to be all right, zero out,
slot finger right one thirty four fo ice. Now it
was like, all right, this is now, we're gonna do
empty rite this it's just Jordan. Jordan tells everyone what

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to do, really and we did. Yeah. So then there
was one word that told everyone what to do, and
that was because that's what they were doing in college. Wow,
And so I had to learn.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
How they were doing it.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
It was nuts. So like we had all these play
calls that had names and the whole play call of formation, protection,
route concept, and we we transformed it to one words
so we could just shout it out and everyone knew
what to do and that's what they were doing. In
the college.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Is that there's still some play callers that have that
long verbiage of play calling. It takes forever to get
to play and you see sometimes the delay games and
the plays coming in late. Is that where Johnson is
that it? Right? Is that where the game is kind
of going to now? Or do you have to or
some of those whether it's the West Coast, you know,

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te style coaches or whatever the case may be. Is
it going to stay there or is it do you
have to go to like what you just said, like
Jordan or this or that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think it'll always be both. It'll probably be both, Yeah,
just because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
It depends.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Actually, you watch college, they all look to the side,
they clap, and then the whole team looks to the side.
You see signs and every five people doing different things
and then they go back to the play.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, but I think that's because a lot of colleges
still spread them and shred them and everyone could still
look and you have like two protections for the you know,
the offensive line. In the NFL, you're under center a
lot more, right, So when you're under center a lot more.
There's probably different things. You know, let's grouper. I mean,
we did have those kind of plays, But when you
get under center, I don't know. That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
A lot of those kids don't know how to get
under center either.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Trevor Lawrence said the first time he ever got under
center was in the league.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Jared Golf had issues with that when he was drafted. Yeah,
from cal he never got under center, and he struggled
with the rams and McVeigh had to pretty much feed
him everything with a protection. He was trying to get
everything in before they cut off the fifteen seconds because
he wasn't used to reading the protection, doing you know,

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the disguise is and doing all that and getting under center.
So when you had to do it now, teams were
moving around and that's why it just to.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
That's why maybe the one word does because we always
like to get to the ball quick. So Josh and
Tom had communication because it cuts at fifteen, right, and
so the faster you like, you know, if you don't
do the celebration the first down, this everyone's doing fucking something.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
If everyone gets to the line, you got forty seconds,
and if you have ten seconds to get there and
see what the defense is doing. It gives you more
an advantage.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So well that I mean, how many how many quarterbacks though,
like Peyton is, like Tom is, like some of the
other quarterbacks that looks and then okay, oh you're gonna
give me your mail. You're gonna I'm gonna regions. Now
I'm gonna change everything. I think that's might switch it
all up. I think there's probably like six that can
do it. That's tough, but that's how.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's always been, right, there's only six that could do
when you were playing through. I mean we all saw
the other guys, Jake Plumbers and all the you know
what I mean, there's some guys I've love, but uh,
it was crazy. Also, Rabes brought in the introductions. You
see that everyone the single player introductions.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, that now that was that was a little that was.
I didn't understand that one because you know where that
came from, right, us come run out at Super Bowl one?
Super Bowl but oh one, but you know the reason
nine to eleven when Joe and Drewsey, I remember his brothers.
He had like three firefighters that were in New York
were firefighters at the time, and we wanted to show

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unity with the nation and everybody, so we didn't want
to be individuals and all run out. We wanted to say, hey,
we're a team, We're all one. I think that was
a theme. We're all one at the time, the nation
and everybody coming together. So that was our gesture of
showing solidarity and everything as a team. And we got

(17:50):
fined for it. They find us for it. I mean,
believe when the super Bowl, because we threw off whatever
the schedule was with the you know, the shows and everything.
Forget the message, forget the message come first.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
No, it was a don't it doesn't matter. They got
they always fly by.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
The message was great though, our nation, one team, one one,
you know, one nation, whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
And we got fined for it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I guess entertainment was a little more important at the time.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Going back to your point though, maybe Ravee just doesn't
want to he wants to kind of write his new chapter,
a new chapter of the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I get it. But he won under that, he won
under that, remember that umbrella, let's run it out together.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
We want he won under that. He won big. Under that,
he won very big, right, We won't too.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
You think this team has a shot to actually do
some damage.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think so. I think they're still developing, especially you
know the one, the one common denominated with all these teams.
If you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance. Right.
So now that Drake is starting to you know, develop
and get better every single week, the defense is going
to get better to run game, Ray, believe it or not,
is really really big and special teams. He was a

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special team guy. Yeah, so he puts a lot of
emphasis on the special team. So a coach that understand
that every phase of the game, not just saying that
because it's cliche, but every phase of the game, especially
feel positioned in special teams is important. And then you
know he's teaching the guys how to practice, how to win,

(19:26):
how to prepare. I think that was lost. You know,
I think your guys was pretty much the last group
that was really like going through it, and it started
more guys.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
There's no more guys, and Raves has got a hybrid
player guy. He's a coach that been through it.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, and it's hard to get people to understand, like
this is what you have to do a lot of
times and I tell young kids, college kids, pros. I said,
a lot of times, the games are won in practice
and before the game. The game is the dessert, right,
You're going to the game. That's our fun part. All
the hard work we did during the week that was

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like grueling, like that was that was the work. The
game was like the fun time. So I think he's
teaching some of that stuff and he's taking what he's
learned and he's applying it and they're starting to really
understand it. And only way you understand it is when
you start winning and have success and you see it
when you see it work. So I think it's I

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think they're going to be good. I'm not. I'm not.
I'm not writing them in a super Bowl this year
or anything like that. But I think give them some time,
give them some more talent to come in, give them,
give them a chance to bring more players, and they'll
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I think it's a little early to just write them
to the super Bowl, but these are things you want
to see from your young team that's developing. Yep, each week,
get punched in the phase, thrown an interception against the Browns.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
You know, the receiver saying, getting punched in the face.
I love it. But that's his DNA. That's why it
was so good. That's true that that was his mentality.
But you don't hear receivers talk like that.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But I'm just saying, like they get punched in the face.
Miles Garrett has five sacks, throws interception early, they go down,
and they had the composure of mental toughness to really
still put it on them and not let that ruin
your day. That that is growth. It is for a
quarterback and for an offense and for a team. And
I see this booty guy out here making plays all

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the time, like he gets his number called six, five,
seven times, right, he's making a big play Like that's
how that's the road, that's the formula right there. It's
just they got to keep doing it. We haven't seen
him doing weather, we haven't seen him doing against Like
premier teams are gonna start playing tougher teams as the
year goes on. And these are all checks off the

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box that you have to have.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's you know, and being they gotta make sure it
should be it should be, it should be.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And I know Ray's gonna make him practice outside. Probably
he got it right.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Of course, if you're gonna punch a receiver in the face,
do it within the first five yards.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Not right, Jeels, they could get away with it. Another rule,
another rule was in place because of us. I think
that rule against the Colts.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Colts are Colts and Coats and Ravens. You had some
games against the Raids. Those are the two teams. While
a lot of these rules exist now because of the complaining.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
All I know is them Colts. They were the ones
over here on that deflate gate. Oh this balls on flat?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh man bro I was about to say, does everybody
know what happened with the study that they supposedly had done?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, study, it was supposed to be we won.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, every everything came back inconsistent with every team. Some
balls were deflated, some balls were a little over deflated,
some balls were this. You had no consistent evidence that
those balls were different than any other team in the league.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
And and and guess what.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Instead of coming out with all the information they found,
they just didn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
I didn't talk about it.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
Remember that there was that playoff game It was like
ten to ten below degrees against the Vikings, And I
think I forget who and they're like, oh, we're keeping
track of all the like air pressures of balls, and
there was absolutely zero dot that came out of that
game because it was probably like nine psi.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
And then the funny thing is because I watched that game,
you guys, no, you know, threw up. But here's the
other thing. Here's the other caveat the game was super
close to the first half.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
After they took the.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Balls and gave you the balls, they wanted you to
have you blew them out.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
In the second half. It wasn't even I think little
Garrett still running, it wasn't even close, still run. It
wasn't even close. So I was like, what's the difference.
What was the difference in the balls.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's so funny you said the Baltimore Ravens and Indy
because the I think it was Baltimore tipped off Indy. Yes,
because we played Baltimore first round and then we blew
out in the second round.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
Harbor was pissed about the Baltimore formations.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Baltimore and Alabama.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, who man, that was because we write that
from Alabama.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yes, he wasn't ready. I gotta have you got it.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
He That's the one thing about Bill he knew or
Ernie or whoever, they knew that rule book inside out,
backwards and things that probably wasn't even put in that
they could do one thousand percent. I mean that's another
advantage of preparation.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
And also Rabel knows it because when we played him
in fucking nineteen, remember that on you guy the clock
run out. That motherfucker You're sitting on.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
The sideline just smirking, sing.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
His head like he knew exactly what I he.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Smart, smart guy. There's so many football stories within these stories.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
What about some Matt Light stories? How was a young
man like? Because I got an old Light man, I
got old Matt.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
L Like you got trickery running all the games and
every all the pranks and one he was still that
was always him though his personality was always above board.
He was always funny. He always worked hard. I mean
he was always I think, like that prankster and had
those jokes you know in his back pocket. He was

(25:23):
he he was one of the guys. He was. He's
hilarious and we had him on here.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
He he brought out an email that Bill sent him
after when he shocked up.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And ship were you on mouse? Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Were you on those teams? There were there were things
that we didn't even know. He was like he was
like he had he had anything to do with he
had like he.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Had so many things going on.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I was like, how do you find time to work
out to like to prepare a watch tape? Because he
was always scheming a prank or doing some type of
ship to somebody.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Oh yeah, this old line things my side job. Was
there anyone he.

Speaker 9 (26:00):
Like wouldn't funk with you? Oh he knew if I
did it to Will fork out.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
He fucked with Hernandez. Let's just put in that.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yes, Oh god, oh man, he didn't care. I mean
he got Bill.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
If you're taking the Bill's office and get Bill, then
everybody everybody's.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Like that is that is wild to me because you
gotta get You gotta have some serious planning because you've
got little bears right up there.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
You gotta get past bears to get into Bill's office.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
There's some All right, we will get it.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
We'll get it there.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Let's uh, let's talk about you grown up in Long
Beach football. I mean, you lived the stereotypical Southern California
athlete life. Long Beach Paul USC talk to us about
the l A football culture, l A sports culture. As
with the youths, I'm a Bay Area guy. I thought

(26:53):
we were better.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
You know. We always we always played at the Bay.
We would always come up there, you know, and we.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Never played you guys, we were't getting to play.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
But who played for the forgot de Las so we
always played that, you know, the North always plays the South.
But anyway, yeah, football is big, man. And actually I
was signed up by my mom. She took me to
sign up for football to kind of keep me out
of way. Shout out moms, thank you, love you. And
uh my first sport was t ball, t ball, t ball,

(27:24):
because that's the youngest sport you can get in. Yep,
you can get in at five. Well now we have
five and six in the youth and the sloop you
football leagues, we have five and six tackle football. Bro.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
It's crazy, man, when I see those videos on TikTok,
those kids.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
But it's good.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's protective because a lot of people are concerned, right
and it's like, oh, you're putting five and six, five
and six year olds in pads, but when you put
them in flag, the kids run out of control and
they don't really have control yet, and their heads are
down because they're just trying to grab flags and stuff, right,
So they're out of control and there's no protection. These

(28:03):
kids aren't running fast enough for doing a bunch of
When you put the pads on them, it's they can
barely hold you know, the football, and they're running.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's basically strengthening their little next.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It is, but it's getting them the core, the core
techniques and stuff at a young age. So they how
to get in the stance, how to hold the ball,
how to use the shoulder pad versus their head, you know,
how how to tackle, how to wrap up, how to
put your face across the ball. Receiver, if I or
or a D lineman or whatever O line get into

(28:33):
two point, get into three point, you know what I mean.
If I'm telling the receiver, you know, you know, get
in the receiver. You know you're get in the slot
versus outside or whatever. You know, the simple things. It's
it's football, literally, one on one, grassroots. And I started there,
and of course youth is big out here. And then

(28:55):
of course I went to Long Beach poly because when
I was coming up, if you didn't go to Long
Beach Polly, which was the mecca. I think we're still
in the top five for most NFL guys in the league.
If you didn't go to Long Beach Polly, you just
you wasn't you were scared or you wasn't that good
and you were scared of competition because they had a
rich history of all the top players in the city

(29:17):
that wanted to go there and compete, and that was
the place to go. And then s C. It was
between SC and Colorado. Actually Colorado was winning Natties back
the Yeah, they were Cane and all those guys, all
those guys for all those guys, they were winning, And

(29:38):
I was close, but I wanted to go to a
place that I can get a great education, that my
parents can drive. We couldn't afford to fly all around
the country and see me play, that they can go
to home games. And I think they had just won
the Rose Boy to beat Michigan Bo schim Bler. How
you said his name, shim Blacker. They had just beat

(30:02):
Bow and the rose Bow, and I was like, I'm
gonna go to sc got it, I'm gonna go to
I stayed home.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Who were some of the big names on your teams?

Speaker 3 (30:14):
The big name who handed me that number.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Rest in peace junior and that's that's when fifty five
became fifty five for SC. You know, I like you
have number eleven at Penn State. He's the sole reason
why fifty five was the number and still the number
at USC. He played one year. He played one year
at USC. I think he was ineligible the first year.

(30:38):
Something happened. The next year he played his junior year,
had over twenty two twenty three sacks, just dominated, came
out top five pick, and he handed the number down
to me. I was next in line, and then that's
how it started. So he was another reason why I
wanted to go to USC. You know, he's an ocean

(31:00):
kid from you know, from the San Diego area. And
just seeing a lot of guys from where I was
from go to SC and across town u c l
a stay at home and that that battle and everything.
I was just like, they have everything I want at
the school.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So yeah, at USC at that time, yeah, powerhouse was
that was the West Coast. If you were the baddest
players in California, you went to USC. I didn't even
think about USC because I didn't ever thought I was
that good like I was looking at like coal and ship,
you know what I mean. USC that's where I mean

(31:36):
some of the most epic teams, epic names, Heisman trophies,
National champions always in the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And that was that was the bowl at the time.
Right still, I still think it is well it is.
It just now is different. They shift the national championship
according to whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
But you went, you went to school with Snoop he
was at Long Beach poly.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Snoop was there, Cameron Diaz was there.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Did you know of these did you guys all know
each other?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Of course that's so dope. Is it a big school?
I mean kids at the school.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's a big school because they have a college prep
magnet program as well. So like it's it's called Polytechnic actually,
so we are into it's the home of scholars in
chapter Polynesian bro Yeah, I know, I mean we did
have a lot of Polynesians there. We do have a
lot of Polynesians. Don't don't trip. That's Long Beach right there.

(32:27):
You know, we got a good mix of everything. But yeah,
there's a lot of I think like five thousand students.
It's big.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You see, it was public school.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeh, it's huge, huge wrapping in the hallways.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, I mean it was he was doing his thing.
Was like more like two to one three at the time.
They had a little a little crew called two one three.
Cameron used to cheer in the football team. She's a cheerleader. Yeah,
you can pull up the footage and all that. We had.
I mean we she was like, I think, did the
cover of seventeen magazine at the time. So we had

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we had some people. Warren g had came through there
for a year I think, and then went back up
north to North Long Beach. But we had, you know,
a lot of a lot of names. That's awesome. It's
a pretty pretty familiar school there. It is.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Cheering for a boy like man, look at him out
there balling.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So I think in twenty seventeen, I mean, I I'm
in the back bay and I used to just take
night walks, you know, like just go walk out to
night knowing no one can see you anything. I'm walking
down calm av in the park, I could have I
swear to God, it's Cameron Dia. She walks randomly right
by me. It's like, what the fuck was that? Cameron Diaz.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Did you say hello?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Didn't say hello?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Great, great story. It's a great story.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I should have said hey.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
My friends Ulie back they called me squirrel. I'm kind
of a big deal out here in Boston. You might
want to know.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was like it was like it was like a movie.
Though it was like a movie.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
It was like that was does bro Maybe she was practicing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I think I think she was shooting a movie in Boston.
Thinks you shooting a movie in Boston. A lot of
them did Snow play ball or anything?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
He played football? You football for a little while, But
I think I think he found something. He was a
little bit better.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
He was pretty good at that. He was he was
pretty good at that. We'll be right back after this
quick break. All right, let's go back in the time
and look at where the game took place and go
over some pop culture. This game took place November thirtieth,
two thousand and three. Number one movie Cat in the
Hat and that's Mike Myers.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Didn't see it. My kid likes it though.

Speaker 9 (34:38):
Talk to Sits from Springfild, Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Right is he is?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Theodore Guys Stand up by Ludacris classic that was huge
for everyone Elf Bad, Santa Love. Actually we were all
popping in the boss at the box office. Chappelle's Show,
Oh my god, that was the best.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
That was the best.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
That was when that came out because that was the
first time you could buy DV. These seasons, I think.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
All of them, all of them classic.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh my, what was your favorite?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
When he did uh Rick James, I would say that
was one of the funniest.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
When he played the Crackhead. Was like.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Biggins when he played Prince and he gets.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Basketball pancakes game. What's his Day? Was great on that too.
Charlie will Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy, biber was it those.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Bro like It's many you could? I mean, I think
that was the what was it?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
The wife swap?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
What is?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
He came home and said, don't give me no back talk,
get up there. And I think that was the first
time where you really saw the edgy outside of like
Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and some of them, you
saw a comedian on skits go like outside, really really outside.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
HBO because Comedy Central, because the lemon color was right
there too.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, but they didn't they would get in there. They
would straddle. Yeah, they wouldn't go that.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
They went.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
He went, he went all the way over, he crossed.
I mean he he's like I just watched the skit
up of Jim Carrey doing Pee Wee Herman.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Though color they started it, they kind of started as
far as skits.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh my god, they were hilarious.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Men on film, all that kind of ship the uh
the guy in jail like they they had a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Humpty the clown for Marlow. Don't play that.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We don't play that.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh my god, we all used to. I used to
beat my little sister with the sock and the you
know what I mean, if you have the sock. Oh
what was Willie Mack like in two thousand and three, man,
I think we were.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
We were, like you said, I'm looking at this culture
and all this stuff right here. I was. I was
into the and of the Chappelle, the music, and we
were just I guess creating or are coming into this whole.
We we couldn't call it dynasty. We wasn't allowed because

(37:07):
that's not the mentality or what you know we were
able to do in that locker room. But just understanding
how good we were, and I remember, you know guys
playing like against Peyton Manny playing against Steve McNair playing, Yeah,
call MVPs like crazy. Some of the best, some of
the best players in football. Just so competitive. It was.

(37:30):
It was a real balance league. It was a lot
of competitive, tough football teams. It wasn't just like eight
really really good teams. It was like every week it
was a fight.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, see that, That just tells me he was in
the pocket. A lot of people would come in here
and they say, oh, you know I was doing he
was worried about like they were. Literally I try to
tell people when I was in it, in the whole
Patriot and when we were in that, that we're in
a pocket, like you didn't enjoy anything.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
You were so.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Worried about, Like, yeah, I was there, you know what
I mean, We're so worried about the process of winning
and going out and like you enjoyed afterwards, but you
enjoyed for a day, but like, you know, you had
a lot of shit going on, but you know what
I mean, you'd watch something here, but you're in a
pocket of like, all right, can we keep it going?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
The teams were too good.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Teams are too good, too good, So even.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
Here after one super Bowl, you were feeling that this
team is special over the course.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
So after the first super Bowl we won, we didn't
even make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
The next year. But then this year we.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Didn't make the playoffs because we we had that feeling,
like you said, we got comfortable.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
We were like, oh, we won a super Bowl, this
is how it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
We got the same team, we're gonna get more players
come in, we'll be back. And we end up missing
the playoff because we needed I think the Jets to
beat Green Bay or somebody to beat the Jets what
they should have and we were sitting around waiting on
the team to beat another team to get in, and
we didn't handle our own business, and we got complacent

(39:01):
and we thought because we won the way we won,
we beat the best team, one of the best teams ever,
Oh we'll be back easily. We even make the playoffs
the next year. So that was the eye opening and
that was something to tell us, hey, this isn't promised like.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
We won it into two thousand and two. But the
Bucks was the Bucks? Yeah played the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
No, it was the Rams, wasn't it. They won ninety
nine and yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
It was the Bucks seasons. Yeah it's Warren and then Brooks.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, the Bucks when Gruden went over in the trade
first year from Raider.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Like from that was not who we played against.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I know in the snowballs.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
In snowball we played against. That's what I'm saying that
so much. A couple of days ago, Heat.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Wanted still fumble, not a fumble.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Bro. Now when you see that play happens, it's like
I never heard of the rule until they called it.
But after that I saw like almost every other week
then you saw the same call.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
It was the right call. It's a stupid rule, but
that was the rule.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Hey, I was grabbing my helmet on my way out
to the field, that's all I know. I thought it
was a fumble. I didn't see.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's kind of like in against in eighteen when we
had the we threw the pick, but there was off sides.
I didn't see the flag. Guy came up to me
and say, you have good off She's up sitting there
throwing my helmet and then I saw that the flag.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I'm like, we're back. It's like hey, it's like fuck you.

Speaker 9 (40:33):
So this is Nick Saban National Championship l SU this year.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Is he going back? Is he going back?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't know, not going back. Some of the rumors
are out there. He don't want to kids.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
There's a lot of good jobs. It's a wild time
in college football. Is he still on the board the college? Oh,
let me look, he might be, because I know he
was on the board. That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I would say if they changed the rules, some of
the rules as far as it's transfer portal, and they
already tried, I think to.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Put like only one time you could do it now.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah. But but also the money. They also put like
a limit on the money per school right for that
you can offer for nil. So I think if there's
some type of balance amongst all the schools where you
can't outbid or say oh I got more money, I
can get more players, or whatever the case may be,

(41:25):
I think what he would consider it. I just think
he got out of control and he got tired of
dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Like you guys said, no, I can see that. And
the jobs open this year are crazy penn stand and paying.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
You see what they're paying. These coaches are getting seventy million,
fifty six million.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Dollars buyouts you don't have to coach anymore. Well, I
think coaches bio. It's only a million. I saw that.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
What's up with our guy? A million?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's it?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, it's he got to he put it in there.
If he takes a job or something, he can there's that.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Does he have to go to Steven?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I think that was yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I mean it's kind of like how it was set
up in the contract kind of it's like I might
not be I might not want to be here, yeah,
and then if I don't, it goes to Steven right, Yeah,
and they got to buy him out.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
They're just buying people out.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's insane. Brian Kelly fifty two to fifty four whatever
it was, Florida State. If they move on for him,
it's one hundred mines.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Oh are they going to move on from Florida?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Man?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
One hundred million?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Crazy? They can't move on the guys that are opened.

Speaker 9 (42:32):
This your absolutely premiere man, premire.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I mean it's premier jobs. It's premiere jobs. You Florida,
Florida State, be good in state.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Florida ain't been gooding fifteen years in a premier job.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
No more. But I'm saying it's it is a premiere
because players want to go there and play.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
The facilities, the this, the that.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like players don't care about this, so they care about money.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
But they have money. You just gotta have. You got
to win. You got to get back to winning all
those schools.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
What's up with that?

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Sea like crazy?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
We get we don't have no fifty five.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
They're trying to figure it out. And it's a reason.
You gotta earn it. You can't just give it to anybody.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
No, I know, but like they don't even they gotta
get all right, they got they We got to go
to fifty five.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
We have to get some some def consistent wins.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Defense Rob Bryant, Rob is there?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, Rob is trying. They're trying. Lynn is there. Got it?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
They you know, we.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Have the number one recruiting class or top top two
recruiting class in the country, so they are getting players.
So now it's starting to it's starting to turn. But
before we couldn't win the trenches.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Do you think it's the taxes?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
No, I think I think they're like, man, I pay
the that's a take.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't even think about that.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I don't even think these kids have entity set up
to know that they have to pay the taxes.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Are we going to have high school symposiums? We need
we need to start educating. We need to have his
school classes on these kids in high school.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Because these agents slash N I L. I have an
N I L division which is ran by the agents.
Should be teaching them that and and and they should
be understanding because I think when the parents or family
members get the money, they start spending and they don't
know you got to pay taxes on that money. And

(44:23):
depending on where you are, you gotta you know, it's
it's it's it's different.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
You have to do like the different states.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
If you're see they're not getting paid pery, I think
they're whatever they're They're probably getting the majority of their
money in the state that they're.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
But but you travel, We had to play every on
the road.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
We had to pay tax, Yeah, because we were getting
paid per game. You know, I don't think they're getting
paid per game. I don't know how they I think
there is the all are off the field stuff was
always wherever your business was, and their business is all
going to be they're not. I mean, if you got
some smart little jokers they got a little escort and stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I was gonna say, what if they have a house
and their families still have a house, like in Texas
or Vegas where there is no state tax or whatever,
you run everything through there. I know. I mean, that's
a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
But that's a whole lot. Blue hens become players.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Are getting paid.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
They're getting paid.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
High school, college, everybody's getting paid.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So I just think there's there's got to be a certain.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I think that's why whatever. Our sports are kind of
losing a lot of the culture. The American it's ok man.
Looking at basketball, we hadn't had American b MVP in
like eight years since Harden. You know, it was over
ten ten. You know, Baseball ain't none of I mean,

(45:44):
we have a couple of sprints. The black communities not
even represented in baseball anymore. It's all it's all like
the Latinos in the Japanese. There's like, no there's a couple,
there's no like the American player in football. Wait until
they start bringing in these Germans. They start bringing these Germans.
We played with a couple of them.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
They're starting to come in.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I don't know, I don't know, man, I think I
think you're reaching.

Speaker 8 (46:11):
Yeah, twelve and four Colts, Tony Dungee. This was the
second year the Tony Dungee era. Tom Moore was the OC.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Tom Moore, that.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
Guy's still doing it often some consultant for the Bucks insane.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And they're doing well.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, they're balling his eighty six and still showing up.
I love that we had.

Speaker 8 (46:36):
Dallas Clark was a rookie this year. Robert Mathis was
a ballers man. Oh my god. Second ranked offense, we
remember that, almost twenty eight points a game. Defense not
so hot, ranked twentieth, letting up almost twenty one a game.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Peyton Maning this was his com VP year. We talked
about that earlier.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
A lot of Hall of famers on this team, and
Manning Edge, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Free and Tony Dungee and
Bill Pulley off should be on that lin.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
That's a good team.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
They had players they just wasn't they were defense was
really really good when they were ahead, which they were
a majority of the time, because they get after you.
It wasn't really physical, but they would get after you.
They're great pass rushers and they have some good dbs
and secondary guys.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Was it always a little different when you had to
prepare for this team.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, always, just because we talk about adjustments in game, halftime, sideline,
whatever it is. The sheriff Peyton Manning was probably one
of the best to ever do it. And he was
smart his He did his research, he did his preparation.
He knew he like you look at our side all
like decordinators and defensive he knew everybody. He knew what

(47:43):
they liked to run, he knew their tennessees, he knew
where they were good at, where they were weak at,
Like that's a true story. He would study coordinators and
defensive personnel guys just to understand, like what they liked
to do in certain situations, and it always came down
with them to the situational side of football. There's always adjustment.

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So this is one of the teams that we couldn't
do the exact same thing every time.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
We played in the dial every third down.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
You had to switch it up, even we always had
And you can appreciate this because I know you guys
did like two half, two halves, first half, second half
of adjustments in different plays, because I remember when you
guys played Atlanta in the Super Bowl, you had no
I'm sorry. When you guys played the Rams, you had

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a whole first half, first half, and then you had
a second a second half. But you didn't need to
switch it because they couldn't stop the first half. But
that that was them first quarter. If you was doing something,
he was going right to the side and switching it up.
When you came back out, you may see the same
formation or this or that, but it was like two
or three different plays. Off of that debate you in.

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It was always a chess match with them.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Would you what was the best thing to confuse him?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Well, Peyton used to always wait till like maybe six
seconds before he snapped the ball because he wanted to
see everything he wanted you. So that's when we really
start disguising. So later you saw Baltimore doing it a lot.
Remember when Ed Reid used to run down and they
used to do all the movement. Well, it was because
we started that with him, because we knew if we

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got in position and lined up with more than whatever
seconds on the clock, he would change the play and
then snap the ball and attack. You know our weakness,
so we would always wait and hold off, which is
going to play a factor until later. Why this is
one of my favorite games because we used the play

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clock against them and it ended up going against him.
It went you know, we kind of burned them with
something he liked to do.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Let's let's jump on to the Patriots. That's a good
segue like that.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Stick around for that, folks.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
These are the fourteen and two New England Patriots, as
we mentioned earlier, coming off a year where he missed
the playoffs, won the Super Bowl the year before that
be the greatest show turf, undefeated at home this year
and notably starting the year Lawyer malloy released five days
before the season started. That was a big story early on.
And then brought in Rodney Harrison, which was huge. Started
two and two and then one twelve straight eight to

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zero at home defense unreal, letting up fourteen point nine
points a game league low. And then a couple Hall
of famers on this roster, Richard seymour Ty. Law should
be a lot more. But those are the two as
of now.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, the crazy system guys. System win. I mean I'd
rather win and be called a system guy.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Amen, It's all good. Amen, Kiss the rings.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
How did how did the team react to Lawyer malloy.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
It was tough. It was tough, captain, right, yeah, and
he was our guy, and you know, I was especially
close to Lawyer, and it was just like some things
you don't understand. And Bill gave one of those famous
speeches that you know, I'm gonna always do I'm not
gonna always do what's best for end of visuals, but
I'm going to always do what's best for the team.

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And Lawyer was pretty much still in his right at
his prime, so I don't you know, we didn't really
see it coming until Rodney came in, and it was like, oh,
it's kind of like a swap like a swapout, you
know what I mean. And maybe he felt that Rodney
brought a little bit more than Lawyer, but at the

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time we didn't see it. Lawyer was physical. Lawyer was
all over the place. Lawyer played aggressive, you know, he
played the run, he was he was good in the past,
great communicated, great teammate, super physical. You know, he was
a linebacker playing safety kind of like Rodney. But we
didn't get it, you know. Yeah, But it ended up,

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of course working out, It worked out, It worked out.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
That was when that year started with Lawyer winning thirty
one nothing.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Against us, we went a craze blow and they kicked
our ass and he was celebrating, yeah, with bloods as well.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
We got rid of blood so and he was doing.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
His Patriots celebration to us against us, and we were
sitting over there like and then that's when a lot
of heat came from the media and all that because
we lost to the Bills, to the two guys we
traded away crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Whatever the way to start, it worked out, it worked.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
Out, I think, so, oh my gosh, should hit this
lead up real quick, all right. Coming into this was
a Week thirteen matchup. Both teams entered nine and two.
Pats were looking to get to ten and two for
the first time in franchise history. Wild to think, and
then coming into this one, Vander jek was hot.

Speaker 10 (52:32):
The kicker on the Colts did make thirty straight field goals,
was on fire. And the Colts previously, if you'll remember,
had been an AFC East team up until the two
season believe Man went to the south right and went
to the south when the Texans came in, So they
were looking to sweep the AFC East this year.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
The culture kind of runing through our division, and uh.

Speaker 8 (52:52):
Notably with the Pats won four to five games leading
up to this one. All five before the five had
been one score game. So really a good team and
learned how win those close games. Kind of we'll see
what the Chiefs these days, you know when these overtime games,
these close ones.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
How come you think we always did well in close games.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Because we prepared for every situation, and I think guys
didn't panic. We knew what to expect, and a lot
of times when you see teams or players panic, it's
because they didn't practice or they've never seen a situation
that comes up in the game. With us, we've seen everything,
and sometimes they practice be like man, we're doing all
this and we're doing all this extra stuff. But it

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was always a rhyme and a reason why, and a
lot of times those situations came up and we were like, oh,
we practiced that like ten times. We're good, let's go yeah, right,
like the Malcolm Butler thing and Seattle and they practiced
that play so many times, and I'm sure there's like
fit the other plays like that.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Well, I mean the next Super Bowl in Atlanta, were
we installed like six two point plays and we needed
like three and what happened usually yeah, you know you
have two maybe three. We had like six and we
needed to.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Have two of them right and got them.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, any Ernie stories for those nuggets you guys ever get?
Do you have any Ernie because we didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
We didn't know who the hell Ernie was for the longest.
We didn't and we used to just see him, and
you know, it's like, we didn't know who Ernie was
until like later it was like, oh, because Ernie never talked.
He just come around and just hang out. He sit
at practice, he observed, he watched. And then they started
handing out like sheets like, hey, here's some TV copies

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of the calls that we heard or this or that
Ernie got this. So we start hearing the name. It
was like, all right, who's Ernie? We still didn't know
who he was. We knew the name, we couldn't put
the face with the name and then figure out who
Ernie was.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Ernie cards and the freaking Ernie cards.

Speaker 8 (54:55):
Willie, we love getting as many of the brain Trust
guys on here to break it all down. You have
any good room Cornel stories? We hadn't had Romeo on yet.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
But Romeo, Man, Romeo is my guy. Romeo. Interesting enough,
Romeo used to be the coach that would catch the
punts that would give us the night off. You know
when you know, when the coaches make a coach, you
get to elect the coach to catch a punt and
that will determine if you got the night off or

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whatever the case may be in camp or whatever. Romeo
manile mobile, and you would always come through and catch
that punt.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
You'll never see a team jump with more joy than
after one of those kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Oh my gosh, because it's always a lineman or somebody.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Right, coach, coach that's usually not mobile.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Right, Hey, man, Romeo's my guy. Romeo was on the
Bill Parcells staff when I came in. He was the
D line coach. So Romeo along with Scar. You know,
there's a couple. There's a couple of coaches that was
there from before before ninety four all the way through.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
So I think Scar was there from eighty six.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oh yeah, Scar was there, Scar has been, Scar was
I think Scar has the longest tenure out of all
the coaches.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Oh yeah, but the coaches except for Nazi Nance Nancy's
it was a Scar and then Nazi Scar.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
Yeah, Scar was there when we got beat down by
the Fridge the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
He was that uop.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
And then he left the Colts and then he came back,
came back in ninety one and then all the way.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Scar has the most wins, probably than any any coach
that's been there.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Like, Scar is the best.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Scar.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I was stars Truck seeing him at your whole Fame
thing in person.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
That was big because I hadn't seen him in a while.
Scar is the man legends.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I loved Coach Scarr. I told that story. Scar would
always lift you up. Like I always tell everyone, you're
always cool with other position coaches and even the if
the position hates that coach, you know what I mean.
But the coaches, there's a politic thing there is. But Scar.
He also used to pump like he was like if
he said something to you, it was like a big deal.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Nobody and nobody fuck with Scar like. Scar was like
the o G. Everybody knows like his resume.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Except like.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
And Light used to drive him crazy crazy. He used
to drive them crazy, but that's Light. He drove everybody crazy.
I think he kept Scar young because Scar had to
laugh at times about certain things. He used to have
to you know, like hey, this.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Fucking guy, I don't know. The coach stories are the best.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
He had like a demeanor about him, like a calmness
about him. But when he coached, when he coached, and
when he when he went in, he went in.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
And it's the same cars, different license plates. He used
to say that a lot. But we were doing short yardage,
same cars, different license places. Week.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Boys, everybody just looking. It's like, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 9 (58:02):
So it's like your position coaches like your dad, and
then the other person coaches like uncles.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah yeah, unless you got a young coach, then they're
like or brother, yeah, like or it could be little bro.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
It could be little brother. Nowadays these young coaches little brother.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Well Mike, Yeah, when when when Josh and those guys
came in, Man, they were holding the cards and scout team,
they were holding up this card yeah, and day ball
and running and running and running, you know, running the
tape you know at the front. I mean I saw
flow like that. Yeah, you saw I saw flow like
that and stuff taking us to certain Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
They make those guys work.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
They work, but they know every cross freedom and they
could yeah, because because Matt Patricia and and like uh
Josh and Mangeenie, like all those guys were all coached
on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Across Creed.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
What was the rivalry to this point with the Colts?
Was it there yet?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah? It was there when I think when Peyton came
in as a rookie. I mean, you know, he didn't
have a great rookie season, but that's when the Colts
started just adding talent and it became like, hey, this
is a this is a good team. Harball was there
at first, and then they bought in. They bought in Peyton,

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they bought in Harrison, Marshall, Falk was there, you know,
Pollard was there, Reggie Wayne like, they had talent. Bro Like,
on paper, one of the best teams ever, I would
say offensively we've ever played against. It was just tough.
And then when you got a quarterback like that that's
super smart. Yeah, and he's a student of the game.

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It's it became our instant rivalry in a division. And
then you said they switched, but they were still it
seemed like we still played him every year regardless.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
The top of the division.

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
Just a little context to that played him twice in
O one, Brady won both of them, so this was
the first meeting since O one. So Brady's against Payton
at this point of the game, we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Billy Mack might get mad at you for saying Brady
between the Pats.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
We played that it was Peyton versus Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
You know I was in the last one. Yeah, I
was in the fourth and two game. Remember when cave
fez that was the first down. I don't know, I
don't think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Do you know why you went for it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Because we weren't stopping him? There you go, and that
would have been the game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And Bill said that he had to put the ball
on the side of the ball that was that that
gave him the best chance to win.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
And it was pre analytics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yep, it was you guys, because they had drove down.
I was watching. I was in Cleveland at the time.
I can't say I was rooted for you guys, but
I was hot because you know I should have been there.
But anyway, Peyton had two minute drives and went down
to score back to back, I think, and Bill was like, shit,
we can't stop him, so I'm not goinna give him
the ball again. I believe in you guys. It was close,

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man like, talk about a game of benches.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Of course win scored right when they got it. Well
we lost. I think it was three scores in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Yeah, that was like the but that would have been
that was the third one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, it was the third one. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Shout out k falk though with a beast k THz.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
Yes, we pop in this game real quick, starting this
thing off. Patriots get out hot, seventeen point lead, forty
one yard Vinitary for field goal, manning strip sack fummal
Vrabel with the strip sack leads to a Mike Cloud TD.
Then you had a Ward touchdown up seventeen to nothing.
Then he get a Vrabel running into the punter, extends
that drive a little bit. Let's Indy get on the board.

(01:01:55):
Let's sem to get on the board. Then they chip
it away at it a little bit, get it up
to fourteen to ten. But right before the half, Bethel
freaking Johnson, Brothel, what a play in.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
The half that was like a last That was a
touchdown with like ten seconds yea in the second.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Hal Yeah, he ran me in zone with no time
on m'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, I think that's when we were like, oh, we're.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
Good with the ninety two yard kick return, not so good, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
You know, you get a lead like that, and because
of our defense, we just was like, oh, we're straight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So you went into halftime confident.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Feeling good at least, not comfortable. Yeah, Bill never let
you feel comfortable. Never, And as a team, we were
never allowed to just oh, the game is over because
we knew who was on the other side of the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
And then uh, we come out of come out of
the half, eleven plays, sixty one yard drive, eat up
some clock, move down the field nicely, extend that thing
to thirty one to ten, another Mike Cloud TD, and
then uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Now I'm feeling a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
Yeah, We're like, oh, twenty one points, we're good, we're
good money here, and then we start trading picks. Brady
pick leads right to a touchdown. We're thirty one seventeen.
I was a Reggie Wainter. Then another Brady pick Man
right at the end of the half. Sudden change, big
sudden sudden change, right away TD to Marvin Harrison. Now

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it was certainly come what this thing is thirty one
twenty four. I don't love that. And then early in
the fourth uh, and he puts together a nice little
ten play drive ties this thing upward thirty one thirty
one right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
What twenty one points in like six minutes? Yes, insane?
So what are you thinking after that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I'm thinking, this is what type of game we thought
it would be. We didn't, you know, like I said,
that was like a mirage going in a halftime or
going up, like I remember everybody saying it ain't over,
there's two halves the game, zero zero, all those different
things that we always say when we're we're in the hut,
we're in the locker room. And when they started to

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make this push, we were like, Okay, this is what
we figured the game would be. You know, our expectations
that it was going to be a close game anyway
when we started. So you know, our our conversations were,
we got it, We're gonna have to win this thing
in the fourth quarter, are not gonna stop, whatever the
case may be. So us being up like we were
was a little we were a little surprised, but we

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wasn't like content and knew that, hey, it's a rap no,
we knew it was far from over.

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
Thankfully, after that we got a huge another one Bethel
Johnson again, that sixty seven yack did starts us off
of the nd thirty uh quick score. Tom finds Deon
branch for thirteen yards only scored like eight and a
half minutes left, so a lot of time left. We
took the lead thirty at thirty one. Deon whips that
one of the greatest TV celebrations you'll see in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
A long time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Underrated people. I think Dion, I think dis Dance back
in yeaar was that trilogy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
You know, a little.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Nerdy, a little dirty, you know nerdy, you got a couple,
he got a couple of nicknames. So it kind of
lootes that he that he used to do some extra
curriculum for a little bit of change.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I like that. I don't want to put him out there.
We talk about it. Lady dirty Phil Simms on the teleguys.
Oh that was God. The dance was getting dirty on
the shutout right, Oh man, always call everyone dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
We were dirty dirty.

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
Peyton and them come back second to last drive that
they'd have it. Big Sack by Willie Mack and ravees
on that drive, but they convert end up getting a
field goal out of this thirty eight to thirty four.
That leads us to what would be the final score
of the game.

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
Holding to it, holding them to a field goal at
that point, with that probably a winyah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, yeah, because we couldn't stop them. Obviously if you
look at you know, the drives they had and how
they were moving the ball. We were struggling. Why they
made adjustments and you know it's just a lot of
times when we played them it was going to be
close like this. But remember I said earlier, like with Peyton,

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there was like sideline after plays, there were quarter adjustments.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
That's halftime adjustments, you see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You see the halftime adjustments, and you know we were
making adjustments. They just had an answer and they were
just making plays. And then when you turn the football over,
you know which we turned the football over. You can't
give like a hot hand the ball right back. And
you know they capitalized. They played well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
So the Pats go down, they score, they need a touchdown.
Twin's what's on the clock. Two fifty seven left. Tom
almost threw another pick there, Yeah, Ken Walter points it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Away didn't burn a lot of clock.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
With three minutes off, they take over the New England
forty eight after the punt two fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Oh they punted, Yeah, yeah, so two fifty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Get it down with forty seconds left and they're down
in New England too. They're moving moving the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Are we at there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
All right, guys, we're gonna bend. We're not gonna break,
no big plays. Let's get them down in the red area.
Try to get off the field.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
We didn't want to give them down in the red area.
They were just moving the ball and a little caveat
before we get into them moving the ball into the
red zone. All week, you know how Bill has these
situational footballs and these nuggets. All week we watched tape.
We would show that that if a player was hurt
or down that Peyton would and you try to run

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a player on or player off. He had a call
where he get to the line, quick snap, get you
a twelve minute on the field, get the penalty, get
the extra yards. So we knew that, and you could
hear Bill all week long telling the defense, listen, if
you have an injury or if there's something wrong, don't
try to run off the field because he's going to

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run up to the line. He's gonna either catch you
trying to run off, and I's trying to run a
guy on and we're not gonna be set and ready
to go, and we're gonna get hit with a big play.
At the time, here's maybe responsible for another rule change.
At the time, they didn't have that you lose a
time out or you had to lose a timeout or

(01:07:51):
the rule the rule that they have in place now.
So an injury was an injury timeout, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
They didn't have that you get four feitted time out
if you get hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah, don't. They didn't have that at the time. So
of course we knew that. So playing against him, we
watched I don't know how many times there he goes again.
You can hear bill. There he is again, look at him. Boom,
penaly penaly. So in my head when I got when

(01:08:19):
I had the injury, I started to try to limp
off and I heard his I heard his voice saying,
don't try to run off, just get down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
So you get down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Where were you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Where are you guys right now?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Where were minute nine left?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
So they had just got a first down, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Yeah, I think they're on the eighteen. It looks like
they just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Got a first down and I tried to do some
type of moving my my leg. My leg got caught.
Wasn't bad, but my leg got caught, and I was like, geez,
so I did. I did. I was going to try
to go off, but I went down because I remember
Bill saying it. So for all those who always say
he faked the injury. One thing about players that had injuries,

(01:09:04):
you never want to fake an injury because it's bad luck,
especially if you've dealt with injuries, back surgeries like we've had,
whatever it is, whatever type of injuries it is, you
don't ever want to fake it, but it happens. But
on this particular one, I didn't because when I went off,
it was first down. I don't think I came back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
On until until the last till last player.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Fourth down or third down. I believe it was fourth
fourth down. So if I was faking injury, I would
have came right back in the next play. There was
no penalty towards it, Like they didn't say you had
to stay out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
So then you guys, we called time out. We were
able to get our substitutions in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Well, the injury, they called time out automatic. Yeah, so
we didn't have to call we didn't have to waste one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
We didn't have to waste one. But we also we
got you get time to adjust readjust.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
And they were on the move like he was moving
the ball and you know him, he likes minimum down
to the nine, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Willy.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
One's one thing about that with with an injury and
playing on that were you playing in basketball shoes?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Like was it like playing on that oil?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah? That old turf was terrible. It was like we
just had the small nubs on the turf shoe, so
it was like a tennis shoe with the small nubs.
Remember sometimes like that those nubs will get sticky, Yeah,
on their turf, real sticky.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah, that wasn't I don't think itched up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I don't think that was the new field.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
That was the old one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So yeah, it was bad carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I feel like get jumps though, probably get a great jump.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Yeah, but man, it was it was tough. Old You
get stopping, the stopping and the sometime it would grab. Yeah,
you know it was good. You know it was a
fast turf, but it so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
When I was young, I used to like turf because
you could cheat cuts, you know what I mean. You
didn't have to like for receivers. You could like run
and like you could cut off the inside foot. Remember,
Bill was like it's raining cut off the outside side party,
you know what I mean. So like you, you have
to be fundamentally sound on long guyness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Yeah, you gotta get you gotta you gotta think about it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
So that takes us to the final goal line stand,
the absolute piece. There resist thoughts of this game. We're
at the two forty seconds left, first and goal. Edgard
and James right tackle one yard Teddy Brusky Mike rib
will make the tackle. Edgard and James up the middle
for no game, Bruski and Rodney in the middle. Then
he calls the time out. Next Peyton goes for the

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back corner. Fade to who is the guy Aaron Moorehead,
we're going air, We're going morehead for a guy to have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
It play matchups. It was all about that. He was
all about who he thought was the matchup. Marvin Harrison
though he's freaking I know, but he with Peyton, he
made everybody fucking good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:11:50):
And then fourth and goal from the one fourteen seconds left.
This is the game right here? Will he second?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It was just a normal like goal line, o line,
whatever to call whatever the coverage was. But remember I
talked earlier about adjustments, and Peyton liked to wake till
the clock runs all the way down before he switches
to play. So I was always the end guy, the linebacker.
The linebacker, as you know, is never in coverage on

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our defense. We would never be in coverage or drop.
We was always the end guy, contain guy coming off
the edge to rush. So they had, I think a
slot over to me on my side. So I stood
up and I turned my back like I was in
coverage to Peyton, and he saw me, and you see

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him right away. It's like, I don't know, twelve seconds,
whatever the case may be. He does the audible, he
does the he does what we know Peyton does, and
he moves Edgrin from this side to my side. Because
it's a soft edge. The the tackle is inside. I
was the outside guy. So what they were going to

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do is they was going to crash down on the
end and they have a soft edge and Edron was
just going to run it in. They were gonna run
me off with the receiver. But I was never in coverage.
I was disguising. So I waited all the way until
the clock got down in like three or four seconds
where he couldn't change the play back, and I turned
back in. If you see it on tape or you

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see the game, I turned back in and I just
hauled ass off the edge because I was I was
never dropping. I was just disguising. But it forced him
to see that. It's like, oh, I got him, there's
nobody on the edge. We'll seal the edge, easy walk
in touchdown for Edron with me and Ted. Washington made
the play.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
He saw man, got in, He.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Swimmed and got in. He saw me. He tried to
go more inside, but he couldn't because big Ted was
in there. And we pretty much tricked, like one of
the best ever to make those adjustments and audibles into
calling a play that we wanted him to call.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Where did this guy's come from? Was that just gaming
in the moment?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
We always did. It's always about the sky in the
game and just moving around. We were always about disguising,
especially when we played Peyton, because you could not let
him see what you're in. Coverages are nothing. You couldn't
just line up in what you're in and give him
the whole entire play clock to look, because he would

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change the play and he would go at you know
where he needed to be. Like you said, why morehead, Well,
at that time that was probably that was probably where
the advantage was for him. So we when we played them,
and we were like the first to start doing this
against them, and like I was telling Jewels, like later
you started to see Baltimore how ed Ree would come

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all into the formation and run out last second. All
that was because of the we did it, because we
knew we couldn't let him see what we were in.

Speaker 9 (01:14:54):
So you're in that moment you do that little disguise,
he moves Edwin James over, You're.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Like, I fucking got him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I was like, we got him. See like right here,
you think I'm in coverage, but you see the cornerback
up there right there. So if you see an outside
guy like me standing up and I'm pretty much walked
out to the slot because we played a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Cover two, cover seven right there, Yeah, you double the slot.
He gets inside, you get downside.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Like we would funnel him right, I'll take inside. He
take outside what we call a funnel one one funnel
or whatever the case may be. But I would never
The thing is, I would never cover a Reggie Wayne
or Marvin Harrison one on one. Ever, we would do
that with tight end and back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
So he was thinking, he's thinking, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
He's thinking by my stance and how I'm up, that
we're funneling. Probably that receiver I got inside and who
was a tie. Maybe he's got outside of whoever that
is on the slot. He's got outside. But I never
had coverage. It's just little things like that. You had
to do against Peyton because you have to because if

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you don't, the scores like it is and he can
run off thirty points, twenty eight points like that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
Is there anything better as like a collective defensive unit
than a goal line stand like that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Four downs?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, I mean, you don't want to be it's not ideal.
It's I'm not gonna lie, it's not ideal to be
down there. You want a good team, offensive team, you
know you if you're keeping teams out of the red zone,
that's probably the best because it's it's it's it shrinks everything.

(01:16:33):
It's tough down there. Team scheme really well. I'll watched
these guys scheme, these rub routes and all the stuff
that you can do down there. It's just tough. It's
tough for defense. It's so much. You gotta prepare, you
gotta think quick, you gotta think quick, and you gotta
for goal line. You're taking more of your skill guys
out and you're putting bigger guys in for the run
and the physical part of it. You know. So if

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you got guys on offense that are versatile tight ends
that can run routes, you put big guys in, now
you got them covering them. You got smaller guys covering them.
And then if you bring the big guys in, now
you got a mismatch because you got athletic guys against
big guys. You bring little guys in, you bring them
in the block, and now you can run the ball

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at them. So it just it's always a game of
you know, like like like chess and like adjustments and personnel,
and when you got guys that can do so much,
it's it's hard to sub and think you're going to
get one particular play because there's so much that can
come off of it. But nah, goal line four plays

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in the goal line. That's not idea, not at all.
Nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:43):
Yeah, but afterwards it's got to feel Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Mean yeah, when you come out on top. But how
many times does that happen?

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
Hey' super Bowl fifty forty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah, but you got to be on the right end
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
You got to be on the right end of it. Yeah. Yeah,
and you get that victory celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah, the defense against them wasn't happy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
They wasn't celebrating running up and down fil Man. They
should have done ran the touch push here. Oh God,
really would have stopped that too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I don't I don't have a problem with it, man,
Like I think when you have where you designed something,
and you create something, team's got to figure out how
to stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
She would be floated and put the guy lying down?
What are we doing the doorstopper.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I didn't get that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Hey, buddy, you got a great job. This week, we're
gonna lie you down there. There's gonna be these guys
trying to probably break your ribs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Just like, yeah, I don't have a problem with it.
You know, everybody's crying about it. How do you appreciate it?
How do you do this?

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
They got asiate it better. They they can't call it
if you're gonna let them that forward progress one what
they call the push pulled it from them right that
that was a fumble, And then there's been a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
That's a fumble, right you gotta and there's been a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Off side by the guards that they haven't been able
to see. So this is looking like the league's probably
gonna they're gonna come into it because it's too hard
to officiate.

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
A legal formation too. Guys are too high up false starts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
You probably won't be able to touch the guy from
the back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
But now now, now is it? Now? Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
You like that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Only right? You like touching guys from the back. But
I mean, I don't know, like if it's been stopped,
it's not like it's it's a it's one hundred percent
teams have stopped it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
It's probably like ninety percent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Though it's close.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Like you said, get in that position, don't get I
mean like, don't get like I got to win first
and second down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
You gotta win first and second down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
And that's what I said that like two years ago
on one of the shows, they were like, what do
you need. It was like, don't get in third and short.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Or fourth and super short. Yeah, because they're going to
run it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yeah, he was about this.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
Patris won this thing thirty eight thirty four. They would
not lose again the rest of the season. Really, they
would go on to win.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
I finished fourteen to two, then ran through the playoffs,
met Indy again in the AFC Championship game. We remember
that one. Tyler picked off Peyton Manning about thirty times. Yeh,
twenty four to fourteen. We win that one.

Speaker 9 (01:20:17):
Going to the Super Bowl because of this game.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Because of this game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
That was the big implication that we mentioned. The winner
of that game would have had home field throughout because
we both had the same record, and we went on
to keep winning. They didn't win as many games as
we did at the end, but this gave us home
field throughout, which.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Is huge, which is huge massive.

Speaker 8 (01:20:39):
Going to beat the Panthers in Super Bowl thirty eight,
thirty two to twenty nine, second Super Bowl in three years,
then they go on again repeat back to back. Baby
cover a lethal weapon type stuff. Super Bowl thirty nine
versus Philly twenty one, twenty four to twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Pardon me.

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
Then six Peyton Manning would finally get over the hump,
and I remember they would beat Resis.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Crossman in the Bear NFC championship game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
That was they were down. You guys were up like
twenty one, six or seven.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
That was crazy in Miami, right, rainy game?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yep, down there. Dongee Vers called, well, yeah, the championship
game was the super Bowl. Then Rex Christman the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I was going to say, like, I don't, I don't
know who who picked Rex for that to win the
super Bowl. They had a good deep great yeah, but
I don't I don't know who picked Rex. Like I
was watching, I was just like, I don't think he
has a shot. No, you gotta no.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
That was exciting. That was it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
That was it right right off the kickoff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
That could have been another one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
We always you always have those. I think I think
about the losses where you think about the wins.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
You do, but you have to win a lot in
order for that. In order for that, you have to
win a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Wow, should we score this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Let's let's score it. Name it we We came up
with some names. Willie if you have a name that
you call it by, we can go by that. But
this is what we came up with. The goal line
stand game, the Longest Yard, which is kind of maybe
taken by that Super Bowl in the movie, and then
in the movie the One Short Game, the Willie McGinnis game.

(01:22:18):
Not today in the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
R c A, I like, not today in the RCA.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
Not today in the r They were pumping that noise
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
They say that. I didn't even think about it until
they started telling us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
That it's always loud in domes, though not all I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Remember playing De Troit wasn't loud. They were never Thanksgiving.
When you're playing their Thanksgiving is festive as loud. It
was never like really loud.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
We're like, it wasn't Indie versus Patriots. I remember we
went down to New Orleans once in that place got
play rocking and they had like the Brothers and ship
in there. It was fucking on. They beat the funk
out of us too. They won Super Bowl. You said,
some dude, it was. It was some of the coolest

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shit I've never been down there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
At the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
All right, let's score the game. Is this the greatest
game of all time? Let's score it. Just remember decimals
are encouraged in the scoring stakes, Willie Mack zero to
ten decimals encouraged the stakes of this regular season game
that had a lot of playoff implication game, but regular
season game.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Yeah, I'll give it a seven.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
It's a good integrity score.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah, because I didn't. I didn't. We didn't really know
until we actually got, you know, to that point where
it made all the difference. We still had a lot
of football left.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with a six point eight.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I got a six point one one, same region that
six point five.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Nice, We're all close.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Star power of this game, a lot of stars in
this game. There's some Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Yea they have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
They got a lot more Hall of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Famers, a lot to be fair.

Speaker 9 (01:23:55):
Bill and Tom will be in soon, so add two
more of the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
But then Rodney could possibly we got some guys that
could possibly Adam vin Ry he should get.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Yeah, we'll be close. I'll give that a ten. Hell
if you got five and five on each side.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
And coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Two off in quarterbacks and owner, yeah crafty, Yeah, I
mean it's a nine to two.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
There's a lot of like I mean I grew up
watching these. This was like, this was the cream of
the crop. This was two point nine, always the biggest
regular season measuring stick game of who was going to
be the AFC that year. That's what I always think.
The gameplay of the game, great game. Oh fun to watch, defense,

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goal line, stan let's turnovers, special teams. Everyone fucking had
a contribution in this game. Yeah, what's the game playzer
a tenestimal, give it a nine nine. I'll go with
the eight point seven for Gronk. He hates the go
at an eight point four. Know why because you guys
like there was a hatred for the Colts. It was,

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and we didn't even play him like that as much
when Peyton left, No, not as much. But they had
Andrew Luck and they were still good football.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
They still were good. He took over the head, they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Were really good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
They rob might hate him more than anybody. Yeah, they really.

Speaker 9 (01:25:18):
They don't think they ever lost to him either, I
don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:20):
Yeah, I at eight point one, nice at eight point four.
So we're all in the same region. Look, we're scoring
like pros today.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
The name of the game, we grade the name of
the game. The not today in the RCA game like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
It's a good name. What is the name of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I'll get out of eight point seven?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Eight point seven, I'll go with cross shout out, Rob,
I'm going.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
To go with a eight point five shout out too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
There it is at eight point zero. I had a
shout out you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Oh what is it? What does it all come out to?

Speaker 9 (01:25:57):
It's an eight point zero one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
That's a big that's a great score for regular season,
regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
So that puts us.

Speaker 9 (01:26:04):
At our brand new It's tied for fifty first with
the twenty twelve AFC Championship game Ravens versus Patriots. It's
just ahead of VERITEC versus a Rod Red Sox Yankees
Brawl two thousand and four, and just below Super Bowl
fifty three Patriots versus Rams. So it's a little tweeter game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
For a lot. Man, it's a lot going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Go Yeah, what else do we have? What's you want
to see?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
The top? Oh? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
The miracle in Miami? Is that the flutie? Yeahlte hail
Mary four? Yeah that was a flute, right, we have
flute on that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Yeah? Yeah, flute's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I remember I remember being in I remember being in
the training room and then we had like a huge rainstorm,
and like it's in the off season and there was
a flood in like one of the areas in Boston
and the people in the news are covering it, and
all of a sudden, Flutie just starts floating buying a
canoe on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
He's like, what's up guy?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
We're all the like, is that fluty a.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Canoeing? Fucking as wild?

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Ma'am all right? That was great? Our last question. We
always ask our guest our last question.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
What does football mean? Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Willie mack uh football? From the time I started plaanning
now it means a lot. It's life, it's foundation. I
think it teaches life skills. A lot of people use
football as a carrot we do with the youth to
be accountable, to be responsible, to put team over individualism,

(01:27:42):
to teach you how that everybody serves a role in
life or in a position, whether it's business, sports, or
whatever the case may be. Unless you're playing an individual sport,
it also teaches you that you know, sometimes you're going
to win, sometimes you're going to lose. I don't know
anyone that's undefeated ever and you have to sacrifice. I

(01:28:06):
got daughters playing sports. I teach them now. Sometimes you
can't go hang out and do this. You can't go
do this. Those girls aren't They don't have to get
ready for a playoff game. They don't have to get
ready for a big time game. You need your rest,
You got to eat better, you got to get your fluids.
There's so many things that goes into sports. It brings
a lot of backgrounds together, a lot of different cultes together.

(01:28:30):
People you may meet and interact and play with and
sweat with and work hard with that come from so
many different places. You learn about that you probably would
have never have in life if you didn't play a sport.
To be in the same locker room together and to
be around them. You spend more time with athletes more

(01:28:51):
than you do sometimes your family. When you're in the
thick of it, and you learn a lot. You learn
about yourself, you learn about other people. I think sports
football brings the world together.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
I love that. That's the answer we've gotten. That's the
best answer we've gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
There's a lot, man, there's a lot. It's deep, you know,
I think it's super deep.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Well, you're super deep. Willie Mack. I got one more
question real quick.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
We interviewed Snoop Dogg years ago for his documentary and
he said, you know how he does all the Super
Bowl like celebration parties. He said that you were integral
to getting him to like play the Super Bowl parties.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
I was. We started that. So I had an entertainment company.
I still have it where it was a one. I
was the one who got Snoop to come out and
perform because mister Kraft is known for bringing in the
big time artists. But we bought in let me tell
you what we bought in. We bought in Snoop and

(01:29:49):
from that time, Snoop was always performed at our Super
Bowl after parties. But we also bought in Kanye when
he had the single The Wire, and you know who
his hype man was, John Legend.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Wow, so you had those three.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
This hype man was John Legend, bron and Kanye performed
that single, uh the Wire because I was friends with
some people at the label, so they got him to
come in. We got him, and then Snoop was my boy.
And Snoop has started the s y f L and
the youth football and I was just like mister Craft,
he should come in and perform if we win. Snoop

(01:30:25):
Dogg was gonna come and perform, and Da da da
da dah. They worked out the business and from then on,
Snoop has been like family with the Patriots and performing
at the at the post game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
How was Young Kanye West back then? Awesome?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Ye Young that's no matter what, however crazy he is.
That dude is so genius.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
He is, and it was I think this is his
single was the Wire at the time he had was
the hype man. We didn't even know it then, Like
we didn't know he was coming up. We're just like,
he's the hype man. He's the So the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Patriots early Patriots are basically like Saturday Night Live. They
give all the early I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Mean, we had We've had a Kid Rock, we had
Rick Ross, you know, we have We've had everybody but.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Earth went and fire. We lost Damn that sitting there
licking your wounds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
But you know what, to have all those performances means
you got to be going to super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
That's that's the caveat to all that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Now, if you're not going to super Bowls, nobody's trying
to plan a Super Bowl after party were.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
We were unbelievably blessed and fortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
The longer you're out, the more you realize that because
you meet so many other athletes, they put in the
same work as you, and I don't know about the same.
But there's some guys that worked their ass off and
they just didn't get caught up on a good team
that a break didn't go there, you know what I mean.
A lot of things got to go right for you
to win a super Bowl. And the fact that we

(01:32:04):
were able to get to the super Bowl. You got
to get to the super Bowl, let alone win it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:08):
Willie Mack. We gotta plug anything. What do we got nothing? Man,
We want our Trojans to do well. My daughter's playing
in the playoffs. I got three daughters playing, Howard sc
and Sarah Canyon. And I appreciate you guys. Man, you
guys are I'll watch you guys. You guys do a
phenomenal job. Great job, keep it going and uh continued success.

(01:32:31):
Thanks Broe absolutely my dog.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Always, We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:32:40):
He's like a big brother, big bro. It's like the
big bro will He's a man. He came in here
and brought the heat everything and then some.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
What a guy. Yeah, great game selections.

Speaker 8 (01:32:50):
Great games, great score, great score, integrity score, integrity score, awesome,
memory took us right down Memory Lane.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Knew that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Clark McGuinness, hmmm, when the game is aline.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
I always love the chess match between just like games, and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Especially that chess match that was an elite chess match,
Patriots versus Peyton.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
Do you ever see the clip where, like I think
Bill or Peyton talks about how Ed Reid would like
do stuff like that to fool Peyton.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yeah, read Troy was like that a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
Paul Moller, Yeah, that play is a little bit Roman
empiry for me. I think about that goal is in
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
That Yes, yes, I mean you were a real hype.

Speaker 8 (01:33:28):
I loh my god. When Willie said this is the
game you want to do, I was over the moon.
I think it was him a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
I don't know why Willy Knax like so connected.

Speaker 7 (01:33:36):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
This guy's this guy's he's more plugged in the record
than it looks like Jones. He looks like he can
set They looked amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
He still looks just for everyone out there definitely looks
like he got he's got five ten plays in.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Him, at least peak physical shape.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
I mean, you gotta stop that touchboys, Willie Max.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
I mean he wasn't the fourth overall pick for no reason,
no bro specimen. Well, it's time to chill out, and
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Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
So what are we doing here, Jackie oh Man?

Speaker 8 (01:34:19):
We got some hotline questions and we got another little
little writing discord question if we had time, but we're
in the hotline.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
We haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
We have nearly hit it in a while. We have
the phone number.

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
We got the phone number that is four two four
two nine one two two nine zero. Next time I
get a little jammed up in some legal trouble, that's
my first call from the from the precinct.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
I know that number by heart, the only number I
know by heart, the only one that checks it. Oh fuck,
it looks like that Bayline getting paid. Hey we're jacko
shit what we got?

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Hey, Julian Edelman, this is the best podcast going And
I think you should get Tim Tebow on to cover
the playoff win against the Feelers at Mile High Electric.
That was an electric that was electric. I've seen some
some like conspiracy stuff on that, or not conspiracy, but
like like weird like numbers like thirty three seconds or something.

(01:35:16):
There's a bunch of like Tim Tebow numerology, like numerology.
There's some like cool stuff about that game.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Tebowing. We should do his time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
He was so like I mean, like Lynn Sanity Tabou
literally took over the wit. They took over the world.
That was unbelievable. People don't realize he was. And I
saw that he was really famous when he came to
our our team. Like this guy, he's got the Tebow effect.
He had like three books before he was twenty eight.

(01:35:45):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I mean, the aura, the aura around that guy.

Speaker 8 (01:35:49):
Here's my question, though, do you think Tebow are we
on his radar doll?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Has he heard some of the things we say about h.

Speaker 9 (01:35:56):
One has said someone has sent him a clip of
the circumstances guarante.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Arry's gonna try to not go to that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
I know. I'm just curious since we did.

Speaker 12 (01:36:04):
Now was the time You're not gonna go there every
other show, every other one hundred and fifty episodes we've done.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
To this show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
He's cool with the jokes. I've seen it firsthand. I think,
when do you come in the You think if we
invited him he'd come.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
He's pretty big time.

Speaker 8 (01:36:18):
I know he is pretty big time. You should him,
I'll be what's up to may never hurts? Yeah, Josh
McDaniels was the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
That's true. Maybe Josh could put in the good word
for us.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Josh was the coach. Yeah, for the playoffs. Yeah, it
was twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Or ten.

Speaker 9 (01:36:34):
I think it was ten eleven. He went to the
Super Bowl, right and lost?

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Was Josh the head coach of that team?

Speaker 9 (01:36:41):
It was a twenty eleven season, yes, but was the coach?

Speaker 8 (01:36:45):
Yes, So Josh was there from how many years?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Was let me see, Josh was in Denver for was
it two or three years?

Speaker 9 (01:36:53):
Playoffs? Three years?

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Three years?

Speaker 9 (01:36:58):
Yeah, this is this is twenty ten. It was a
twenty eleven season, but it was January.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Eighth, and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Josh wasn't the He was the head coach of this
broncost that won a playoff game. So Josh won a
playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Wait, was he not gone by then?

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
He was there?

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
So second year? Okay, I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
But hold on.

Speaker 9 (01:37:17):
But yes, was Josh the coach? Yeah, that's what I'm
looking at. Tim Tebow, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
I don't think he was John Fox. It was John Fox. Sorry, bad,
that's me, that's me. I thought it was Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
And they went the year.

Speaker 8 (01:37:30):
Before, Yes, and then he was in he was in
Saint Louis this year. My bad, eleven, My bad.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Sorry, sorry, they came to us.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
I'm getting all tripped in the playoffs. I think we're
in the children. Yeah, we're chilling, bro, what're chilling?

Speaker 13 (01:37:43):
Hey yours? My name is Wayne and I'm from PA.
I just wanted to call in and tell you a
funny little story.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:37:50):
I'm currently twenty six, and when I was sixteen, going
to go get my driver's license night before, I was
very nervous, and I decided to watch joy A hum
in high Wits to hype me up the entire night.
And I had the past of my test and I
gave all the credit to you. I know that makes
no sense at all, but nah, man, I just wanted

(01:38:11):
to call and tell you my idol and thank you
for all the memories on the pats and uh, it's
nice seeing on the podcast. Keep doing well, man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Good but no dream is too big?

Speaker 9 (01:38:22):
Well that's funny because that's what Jack does before shows
he's worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
That's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:38:28):
Hey, fuck a cup of folders, baby, I'll start my
day with j E eleven highlights. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:38:34):
Recently on the plane, I watched the forty five minute
cutup of just Gronk highlights.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Nice, Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (01:38:40):
Insane the stuff that you forget that he did, absolutely
fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
I do that everyone so long. I watched Gronk highlights.
What's the last what are the last Kyler?

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
You said? Gronk was who's the last guys highlights you
through on? I think I think it's just literally grownk.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Really, yeah, it's been on my algorithm.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
I get served out of the firefire.

Speaker 8 (01:39:00):
I think I was watching some uh the watching some
Yoming highlights not that long ago, ye mean, yeah, always fun.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
It kind of a go to standard. Who else we
did a lot we did for some dudes episodes. We
did Dick Buckets. That was a fun one. Those are
fire Miles Garrett.

Speaker 8 (01:39:17):
Miles Garrett, Yeah, I was watching some rude vinnissil Roy highlights.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
I don't watch it necessarily an individual. I watch an
era highlight. Oh okay, I like that, like the eighties,
seventies clanging and banging, Yeah, clanging and.

Speaker 9 (01:39:29):
Rocking soccer, big and hockey. You get the vats just
to Don Cherry's rocking soccer. Oh the biggest, the worst,
the worst hits of nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Yeah, oh ma'am, what's next?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Yous?

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
I know you said you did your time, but imagine
fourth Super Bowl ring is a wide receiver coach?

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Imagine probably not gonna imagine that one. Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Todd Downing?

Speaker 9 (01:39:58):
Now you're more like need to suit up playing then
you were.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
To coach, No way, can't run.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
It was crazy to me that we don't talk about enough.
McAdoo is still on the staff.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Macado's on our staff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Ben McAdoo, I like that immature talks about that. The
boat pick. I don't know why. I'm just going through
the roster right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
I think I remember seeing I was like, oh ship,
we have macat year when I was out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
There, Doug maron two. That's crazy. I know, I know, Doug,
he's doing a good Ah. That's crazy. Though. We shout
out to uh.

Speaker 8 (01:40:37):
Shout out to the current wide receivers coach Todd Down.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
I spoke with them there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
He's working them nice.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
They're looking good. They got a pretty good in the
unit there. Everyone said they had now no big names
before this season, and all I keep on seeing is
digs with like seven eight catches. I see Booty with
a nick explosion play here and there, an important guy
to have it played by little pop Hunter Henry. Don't
forget about him. Like they're distributing the football around, they're

(01:41:09):
making the plays.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Austin Hooper. They got guys man, I like it. Hooper Committee.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Hooper's made some big plays too.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Booty might like lead the league in the air yards.
I was going to say, I was just going to
see that big.

Speaker 9 (01:41:20):
And they're a lot like forty three nine yards just
like no no yards have to catch.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
He's been he's been really good. Yeah, I been really good.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Man Lsu. He was a number seven guy, right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
I remember Josh talking high about him. He was seven.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
He was seven.

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Yeah, Hey, guys, it's Stacy from Texas and I don't
know what y'all think. But football is on fire, and
I wanted to know whether you like the duo of
Drake May and Will Campbell or scat a Boot and Dark.
Let me know, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Well, thank you Stacy from Texas. Stacy she did. She's
a great caller. I love Stacey. She she always comes
with some.

Speaker 9 (01:42:03):
Teacher his ball and uh, Austin.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
I like big men, you know what I mean. Drake
May is big. It's on record as saying did you
see you see him next to Gronk and that that
interview didn't look small. That means he's big like that, ye,
And then I met with Campbell. He's large. I like,
I like, I want a lineman in my duo. I'm

(01:42:29):
with you, any one lineman I love. I love Skataboo
and Dart. They're fun, they're energetic, their energy and and
they're they're they're they they're.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Having you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Unfortunately, Scataboo's hurt and that was disgusting to watch. But
you know, I'm gonna go Drake Man Campbell.

Speaker 8 (01:42:49):
I'm with you on that one. I like these fun
young duos in the league right now. Yeah, got a
lot of them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
What are some other ones?

Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
Listening Cam Scattaboo, Jackson, Dart, you got Will Campbell, Drake May,
you got a man Duneesay Caleb Roman. Caleb is really
fun there they're on a little page. I don't know
that things are going that great down in Washington, but
I like the Jade and Daniels and and some of
his guys. He's got down there with Debo and then

(01:43:15):
he's got what's his name, my.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Man scary Terry's fun.

Speaker 8 (01:43:19):
But like two young guys too young. You gotta be
too young, Tom. They came in together. What do you got, guy?

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
But any oh we got you got down down in Houston.

Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
Stroud and and and Collins are fun.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I don't know, trying to think here, two young.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Guys send us enough young guys to compare.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
It was likes big guys and young guys. Yes, come on,
big young guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
I like it.

Speaker 8 (01:43:54):
And then we got our last one here. This one
comes from the world of Discord. It is a question
that has also been going viral. This is from David M.
If you could delete one sports memory from your brain.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
What would it be?

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
Delete hit that that men in blackpe Delete Now it's
just a memory, just the middle What happens, still happened.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Oh doesn't you don't it doesn't take the play away.

Speaker 9 (01:44:17):
No, it still exists, you just don't remember it. So
a couple of your players, I'm sure, are already in
this category.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
The stumble bump stumble bump from youth football. I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
There's there's a Chiefs flow or I my last year playing,
I like, bobbled the ball and I think honey Badger
picked it and picked six.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Did I think?

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
I forgot about that. I don't like that one. Delete
delete about you Jack all of Notre Dame.

Speaker 8 (01:44:49):
Oh man, No, I like some of the Notre Dame memories.
I like some of my Dahmer's memories. Shout out coach
Marcus Freeman. I think there is a play from the
NCAA tournament Davidson Marquez twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Sorry, we ended up blowing that thing.

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
Threw it away, Demon Brooks throws it out of bounds
on the baseline, ob inbounds pass, Marquette gets it side,
ob comes down, scores wins the game. I passed out
after I literally passed out. I literally passed out, like
just my body just shut down. I wish I could
forget that but you can't. But you actually passed out,
literally passed out, woke up the next morning.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
The next morning, I was like out in my dorm room,
crazy man. That's one of them. That's an underrated one.
Of course the helmet catch, of course, the Manningham catch.
But that's one that's a that's a deep cut for you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Sound like my dad after too many nick Riettes.

Speaker 8 (01:45:40):
Dude, dude, I was worried about my guy yesterday. This
was twenty thirteen, Davidson Marquette, first round, number three seed,
Marquette fourteen Davidson.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Dude, Frank, I was worried about my guy. He's back.
He's back, though, So.

Speaker 9 (01:45:52):
I think, for me, what do you think I would
like to forget? September eleventh, hear me out.

Speaker 12 (01:45:57):
Twenty ten, twenty ten, James Madison beats Virginny Tech in Glacksburg.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
That's what.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Oh my gosh, oh my god, a national day of one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
He had to go there. I'll never forget.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
The dukes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
That was awesome, said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Oh man, Yeah, brutal, okay, brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
That was good.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
So that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Last one the shout out to those memories they got deleted.
If we don't remember them. They didn't happen. Alright, there
you go, she stretched.

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