May 15, 2023 • 66 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yep, yep, Ghetto Boys is back and redod it all
in your mind. Yeah, now deep throating. This is for
the streets, the real the reil, goading, the disenfranchise, the
truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak the truth,
so they a quoted because we wrote it. The North
South East coaches, the ge be mocked for keeping your head, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It ain't no stopping.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And once the be drops head by and then the
system is so corrupt they threw the rock out their
heads and then blame it on us. Don't get it
twisted on coding Meg danced to put no butterment biscuits.
It's Willy d y'all. Ghetto Boys in the house back
with another episode of information and instructions to help you
(00:42):
navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,
My brother, my brother, Derek Muhammad, thank you for having me.
Welcome back, man, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I appreciate it. Brother, It's and honor to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Man. You are a crowd favor man. They like what
you had to say about about pretty much everything, but
especially what you had to say about black men, black males,
young black males and what we have to do to
get on the right track.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a very underrepresented subject. It is. It's the mathematical
problem that nobody in a math class wants to solve.
What do we do with the black male? And the
reason that you don't hear it focused on intentionally a
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lot is because so many people have given up on
our young boys. They've given up on black men. But
I tell people all the time, you know, the moment
you start thinking about giving up on black people, ask
yourself the question where you would be had God giving
up on you?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And where you would be if black people had given
up on you. Now you think about where America would
be if black people had said, I don't give down
what you say, I don't care down what you do.
I ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Come on with it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Will imagine where this country would be. It definitely would
not be the force that it is.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, she certainly wouldn't be as rich as she is,
she wouldn't be as wealthy as she is, she would
not be as powerful as she is.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, it's so hard about recognizing that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's a good question, that's the good question. The problem
is we weren't known them to recognize it. For us, Okay. See,
you can never obtain your freedom if you have adopted
the value system of your oppressor. When you adopt the
value system of your oppressor, you devalue yourself. Why because
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it's obvious he don't see no value in you. If
he did, he would not have been oppressing you. So
what we have to do as a people is we
have to go back to basics and we have to
redefine what is valuable to us. See, we were talk
for a very long time. Go to school, get education,
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get a job, get a house, get you a nice call.
And this is the mundane formula that pretty much has
not worked for us. But these are the things that
we have been taught to value. We must first learn
to value character. We must learn to value spirituality. We
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must learn to value economics, but from a perspective where
we invest in assets, not in liabilities. And the thing
that we really have to learn to value, brother will
is each other. I say it all the time. You
know the future of black people is not dependent upon
how white people see black people. The future of black
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people is dependent upon how black people see black people.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Talk talk to me. This is why I get soul
with these people who jump on the internet. Black people
who jump on the internet. See, that's why we can't
never were the worst, We our own worst enemy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We wooh wooh wooh wooh woop.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And you know, seeking validation and also just being basically
indoctrinated like everybody else, to view themselves as a lower class,
as someone who is unworthy. And they think they make sense.
They think they're smart when they say things like that. See,
that's why you know black people with black people, is
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it black people that we have to be very careful
of who's helping and who's critiquing because there's a lot
of black people out there all day long. All they
do is critique black people, the black experience right, black
community and black distance black people this and black black
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black of the black of the black black. But they
ain't gotten no smoke. They ain't got no critique for nobody.
Everybody else must be perfect. It's all they focus on
is trying to critique black people, not helping, I said, critiquing, critiquing.
All they do. Their whole focus is critiquing. I want
to go back to something that you mentioned about adopting
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the value system of your oppressor. That can also be
levied against relationships. Yeah, Like I've heard men say, well
women do it, And I mean when I say women
do it, it's something that that is out of character,
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you know, that is not popular, something that's that's foul.
They'll say, well, women do it. And now I've heard
women say will men do it? Like again, these are
when they say when men do it, they're assuming the
value the value system of their person oppressor, whoever that
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person is, is a presser who they feel like has
oppressed them in some kind of way. I don't understand
the stooping to a level where you you abandon your values,
you abandon your attributes to acquiesce to somebody else's shortcomings.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Exactly. See what happens is we've adopted the same mentality
toward relationships as our oppressor. Black people have what I
call a versus mentality, meaning that it always has to
be this rapper versus that rapper, who's your favorite, or
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this television show, this idea, whatever it is. It's a
versus mentality, and whoever wins the versus whoever comes in
second is irrelative. Right now, talking to a black child,
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a black child will say something like, you know, my
mama did more for me than my daddy. My question
to that child is who taught you to compare? If
you say your mother did more for you, you're admitting
that your dad has done something for you. Am I correct?
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But you want the man to compare or compete with
the woman who laid on an operating table, a delivery table,
and went to death's door to give you birth? Okay,
But the question is who taught you to compare what
your dad did for you. May God bless him, because
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it attributed to who you became, if you became somebody successful,
what your mother did for you. It's beautiful. It attributed
to you know who you are are if you became successful.
But to make the comparative analysis between it's my daddy
versus my mama. See, this is something that we've been
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programmed to do. That we got to get out of
two black coffee shops on the same corner. Which one
do you like this one versus that one? Well, they
put a little too much sugar in theirs. What their
coffee is fifteen cents a little bit more expensive than this.
We're always finding a reason to be divided, and it's
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the Willy Lynch mentality. The slave mentality that teaches us
to denegrate and degrade all things that are black. So
what we do is we perpetuate the myth of black inferiority. See,
we talk a lot about black white Excuse me, we
talk a lot about white supremacy, but we don't talk
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about how you can I have white supremacy without including
the myth of black inferiority. Black inferiority is what gives
white supremacy its oxygen. So when somebody is on the
Internet just scroll and looking for something black to criticize
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and to critique, they're perpetuating the myth of black inferiority.
And as long as the myth of black inferiority is perpetuated,
we can never be free as a people because we
are then still adopting the value system of our oppressor.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Man, let's talk about Professor Griff the Good Brother, Professor.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Griff Salama Lacam Brother, Professor Griff.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Lacam Man, Professor Griff is necessary. I came across a
video from twenty twelve. Professor Griff, I like to go
back in the annals of history the time and just
see how certain ideologies match up in present day. Right,
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So I'm watching this video clip of Professor Griff making
an assessment of hip hop, and he's talking about how
these white kids who are the offsprings of the white executive,
the executives and hip hop had started their own subsidiaries
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and one of the goals was to normalize the inward
and one of the goals was also to emasculate black males.
And Professor Griff predicted, he predicted that black males would
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be running around with purses and wearing skirts. They'll have
these man versus and wearing skirts. And we see it
in sports, yes, sir, we see it in hip hop. Yeah,
we see it in politics even and even in the streets.
What's your take on metrosexuality and hip hop?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's a very good question. I really don't even know
what the term metrosexuality means, but from my understanding of
the term, my take on it is I think it's
very dangerous. I think when you begin to blur the
lines between manhood and femininity, then what you do is
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you begin to weaken the pool of men. In our culture.
There are certain things that are said done, certain clothing
and items that are worn. Nowadays, you couldn't get you
couldn't get away with wearing a purse back in the
nineties when we were listening to you know Nwa. But
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I believe that Professor griff was not only onto something.
I believe that his mathematical calculation of what would be
is now our reality. And I do believe that this
was planned. I believe that there was a concerted effort
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to dehumanize, demonize, and emasculate the black male. Because as
long as the black man is weakened, the black woman
is fair game. As long as the black man is weakened,
then there's no one there to protect black children. As
long as the black man is weakened, the black community
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is like dust. What is dust? Dust is a particle
of matter that used to be tied to something that
had a function. So if you weaken and break down
the black man, then black people are defenseless. And this
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is where we will find ourselves if real men don't
stand up in our community and protect and defend first
and foremost, the dignity of our ancestors, the dignity of
our history, the dignity of our women, the dignity of
our elders, the dignity of our children. We need strong men,
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not emasculated men. But another reason that I believe that,
particularly in hip hop, that it was important to emasculate
the male in hip hop is because an emasculated man
is easier to steal from It's easier to take from him.
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So it's not a coincidence that you see the intellectual
property of our rappers flying out the door. You know
how when you go to a funeral and they have
the doves, and as soon as they unlock that cage,
the dove just takes off and never returns. That is
how fast and how far the intellectual property of our
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great artists is flying out of our culture. And so
you've got wealthy white families who are passing on the
publishing of some of our greatest rappers to their children
and grandchildren. Think about that our intellectual property have become
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their assets. And I think that that in and of
itself is a form of emasculation. And it's not okay,
you know what, because your intellectual property starts with your ideas.
Where do your ideas come from? If you got a
unique idea, that idea came from God, if you didn't
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steal it from somebody else, it came from God and
it's given to you to express through your God given
talent that should belong to you. But if you have
been weakened and emasculated, it's easier for somebody to come
and take it and you not say a damn thing
about it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Little boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after this week.
You spoke at length about generational wealth, and that's what basically,
when you're passing down assets from generation to generation, from
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your kids to your grandkids and so on, that's generational
meaning meaning extended periods. Right. So I made a post recently.
I don't know if you saw it. I need Okay, Well,
this guy is talking about generational wealth and he says
that it's become a catchphrase basically, and that you know,
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it's a marketing ploy, it's what he said something like that,
and that he hates through word generational wealth because it
puts undue pressure on black people to set up the
generations after them, and this is why people are doing
PPP loans and stuff to try to get generational wealth.
And I was actually very I guess pleased that most
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of the people that was in the comments wrote that
off like it's the most ridiculous thing that they've ever heard.
Why is it difficult for some people to wrap their
head around some people, and I'll say specifically Black people,
to wrap their head around the importance of generational.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wealth because we have adopted the value system of our ancestors,
and our ancestors never saw fit or never thought that
we as a people should have anything.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But I mean, you're speaking not not You're not speaking
about all of our ancestors though, because many of our
ancestors did make way for their their children.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, but they had to get it out the mud.
You understand. What did I say, ancestors are oppressor?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, even if we look at the oppressor, you know,
like I mean, they've done pretty well. If you think
about the Rockefellers and the Walters and the you know,
the you know, any any of them. I mean even
even you know, if you look at I hate to
say his name, but even look at the Trumps. You
know what I'm saying. You look at them, you look
at other families, the bodies, yeah more recently, but even
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the Bush right, But they are the Hilton's passing it down,
passing it down because the generational the way you achieve
a generational wealth is you know, you're having assets. You
know you have you have assets that where you uh,
don't have to touch the principle. You're making so much
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money you never have to touch the principle and you
pass that down and that's how you get to it.
That's how you can say that, you know, Okay, we've
set it up to where the generations after us are
going to have it and we don't have to worry
about that, right. But on the flip side of that
is that I think one of the reasons why we
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don't get it is because we've been so wrapped up
and just trying to survive. Every every one of our
generations have had to face some type of oppression and
and we've have to you know, we've we've have to
try to walk through these minds, these these mind fields.
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You know what I'm saying, it's booby traps everywhere, and
a lot of it I think is just trying to
you know, we've been focused on just surviving. Right now,
this is probably our richest generation right now, Like we
got money like out the anus, but we're not producing,
we're consuming.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, but we have money, but do most of us
have wealth and I think that's the term that we
have to look at more carefully because generational wealth most
certainly represents assets, which includes money, real estate, stocks, bonds,
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like you say, anything that produces property, right property. But
that's not the only thing that makes you wealthy. Now,
I don't want to get away from the economics. And
that's why I said, it's because we have a opted
the value system of our oppressor, meaning that they never
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thought that black people were worthy of having anything. And
if you, as a black person, even in twenty twenty three,
adopt the value system of your oppressor, you still don't
think that black people are worth having anything. See, we
don't know how deep this self hatred thing goes. See
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you have some black people who have an opportunity for
upward mobility, and sometimes they'll sabotage it because they don't
believe that they deserve it. They may never admit it,
but they'll sabotage it because they don't believe that they
deserve it. If you hate your children, then you don't
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give a damn about passing anything on to them. You
feel like they need to get it out at the
mud just like you. So it owes back to knowledge
of self. It goes back to love for self, and
it goes back to reconfiguring our value system. We got
to learn to see each other the way God sees
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us and not the way white people saw us and
still see us to this very day. But I think
generational wealth should also include health. Generational health because if
you have a diet that flirts with diabetes, if you
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got a diet that flirts with heart disease, if you're
raising your children on a diet that flirts with cancer,
and you know you've got these things in your family,
well you may not necessarily be passing down the disease
to the next generation, but when you pass down those
eating habits, you are in turn passing down that disease
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to the next generation. So generational wealth should also include health.
It should include knowledge. We got to pass down the
history to our children, and you know, all of those
things that make one truly wealthy, because let's just be honest.
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We talked about the rock Rockefellers, we talked about the Trumps,
we talked about you know, the Warburgs, and all of
these other families that literally rule the world. But some
of them are in hell they're wealthy, but they are
in hell, and so I see a lot of billionaires
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will who are saying, you know what, all this money
I made, I rather donate it to charity because they
see that the money, the resources, and the relationship ships
have done more to ruin their children than to help
their children. So I do think that we you definitely
need to focus on generational wealth as individuals, but we
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also have to focus on generational wealth as a collective
of black people. We got to focus on generational wealth
as a people.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm with that. With that, I was watching this video
of this woman out and bat and rouge. She had
jumped the bus driver with her two daughters, a thirteen
year old and eighteen year old. I mean, they beat
the hell out of the bus driver, a female bus driver.
You know, I don't even know what the fight was about,
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but they jumped her, beat the brakes off of her.
Is there a way that we can like protect these
bus drivers, because this is not the first fight that
I've seen on the bus with parents jumping the bus
driver or students jumping bus drivers. Is that something that
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can be done besides having an armed police officer with
an AK forty seven standing at the front of the bus.
Is that something that can be done to protect these
bus drivers.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
That's a very good question. You know, bus drivers are
being attacked, teachers are being attacked, pepper sprayed and so
on and so forth. That's a good question. Will I
do think that you need on site security not only
at the schools, but you need on site security at
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at you know, on these buses, not just to protect
the administrations, but to protect the students as well.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Should they have guns.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
They I don't. I don't think that it is necessary
for all of them to be armed, or any of
them to be armed. I guess it just depends on
the situation. But you need security who have the mindset
of security being prevention. Now I'm a trained you know,
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security guide in the FOI. So when we go into
the projects and when we go into the schools, we
try to build relationships with the children so that we
can catch a problem before the problem becomes a problem,
if you understand what I'm saying. So there has to
be security in there that that that that that that
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kind of unifies the element brings everybody together and that
can work that situation. But right now, the reality in
America is bro there's so much pressure in America right
now mentally on people emotionally. Do you realize that we
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just reached over it. Two hundred mass shootings in this country.
We're not even on the two hundredth day of the year.
And so the culture of violence in that America has
promoted for years because this country was built on violence,
is coming back to hunt the country and it is
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destroying the country from within. So I do believe that
there should be security at these schools. I don't think
that because they already have armed security with police officers right,
that's obviously not working. But I think we need the
type of security that could unify the campus, the type
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of security that can make certain that these children have
a voice, and that can come in and do what's
called conflict resolution. The problem is to catch the problem
before it gets out of hand.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, sort of like when you're out as an artist.
The best security is the security that doesn't have to fight,
the security that doesn't have to, you know, dodge bullets
and stuff. Because they're focused on prevention. They can see
things happening, They can see things that might happen, that
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could happen, So they go in and they secure the
VIP they secure the entire room or club or venue
or whatever. They make sure that they know the easy end,
the easy out, and it's fast, it's moving like that
boom boom. That's that's good security. These guys that come
in they put the gloves on and walk in like
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this and they got the menace in face. When when
your patrons come up to the door or whatever, and
are they walking in with their client and their mean
mugging people get out the way. These are horrible security people.
They got thet they got the wrong idea about about security.
But speaking to secure in schools, it hasn't worked. I
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think primarily because of what you said. These people that
work in these schools are not invested in the community,
do you guys in the FOI are invested in the community.
In fact, you started, you know this security detail so
that you know with your people in mind, like I'm
going to protect my people. I don't want to you
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going in like I don't want no problems with my people.
I don't want to put my hands on anybody. That's
the last thing that I want to do. A lot
of these security people that they hire, they go in
and that's the first thing they want to do. They
want to put their hands on our babies, right, they
look into it. And I'm not saying that some of
these kids are not wild, right, They're not wild and
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out of control or whatever, and they don't need to
be restrained in some kind of way. But restraint is
different from just beating their breaks off kids and picking
them up and slamming them down and all that. They
don't have to do that, and I've seen that happen many, many,
many times, and I think this, it's very, very dangerous
to have these type of people around our kids. And
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I suspect that's what they have on those buses, if
they put armed security on those buses, and if they
continue to put armed security in these schools. I've seen
in some situations where they've dialed back. You know, with
these resource offices, what.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They need to do is they have to send someone
from the community who understands the plight of these young
brothers and sisters. You know, I grew up in the
projects myself for the better part of my childhood. My
mother had a very very terrible drug problem, So I
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know what it's like growing up in household with a
mother or a parent who has a substance abuse issue
that renders him or her powerless, meaning that they don't
know how to be a mother under these conditions, don't
know how to be a father under conditions. But I
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still had to go to school. So when I hauled
off and stole somebody in the jaw, you know, back
in the day, it may not be that what that
person did or said to me was really, you know,
that bad. But I was a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Man.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was talking to a young lady the other day,
and she's a young lady. She's in school, she's doing
well for herself, and she started talking about her parents,
and she talked about how her mother passed away when
she was four years old and how she's never gotten
over that. So I said, what about your dad? She said, oh,
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I don't have no good relationship with him either. So
I made the mistake of asking why. She said, well,
you know, when I was a senior in high school,
I had to start dancing. I say, dancing, what you mean,
dancing on the dance team on the football field. She
started laughing. No, I started stripping. I said, okay, she said,
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but my dad got mad at me because I wouldn't
allow him to manage my money. So I got kicked
out the house. I said, this is your biological father.
She said, yeah, a child that's going through something like that.
What kind of mindset do you think she's gonna have
when she goes to school? You think she really give
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a damn that Abraham Lincoln quote unquote free the slaves. See,
you gotta have somebody in the school that understands what
she's going through and has the kind of compassion where
they can reach her. You know, that can de escalate
a situation, that could see it before it's you know
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how it is back in the day when we was
in the club, you could just feel when somebody was
about to start shooting. It's a sixth sense that you
have for your own people. And if you bring a
police officer from you know, the Woods, cut and Shoot
Texas or whatever into a school in the hood, you
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give him a badge, you give him a gun, and
you tell him, I need you to tame these wild
animals in here. That's what he's there to do. He's
not there to de escalate. He's there to be a
force to either lock them up or get them kicked out.
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So there's just not enough compassion in the schools for
what these children are going through. Now, that does not
excuse you putting your hands on somebody. That's a whole different,
you know, conversation. But the schools have become clownhouses, brother
will and I hate to say it, but all they
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doing is babysitting half the time. In some cases, when
you walk through these schools, you feel like you are
in a prison because that's what the atmosphere feels like.
But every now and then there are a few teachers
in that school that makes that place worth going for
the students, and we just need more of that.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So would a good solution be to start early, like
start like get reaching these kids at pre k kindergarten.
And you're doing that, but you're also dealing with what's
happening in real time right with the kids of age.
Because it's very possible to walk into bubblegum. You know,
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two things can be true at a time at the
same time, two things can be done to attack a
problem at once. Oftentimes we tend to say, hey, it's
one way or the other, not the one thing or
that's it. And we love putting band aids on gun.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Shaps exactly exactly exactly. I think one of the problems
is the school is more of a factory where they
just send everybody through the same process, no matter what
might be going on at home. I think that more
has to be done to identify the needs of each
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particular student.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But we're under attack though, if you think about it,
we're under attack because the schools are actually operating exactly
how they intended for them to operate. The fights with
the kids and the schools, the kids fighting, the teachers
fighting the bus drivers, this was planned, brother, This is
all part of the agenda the school.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
To pine exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's part of the whole thing. You know, you're disciplining
your kids, they can call the police. I'm not even
talking about beating kids to where they skin break. I'm
just saying you can't even touch a catch child. The
kid got the phone, right, Donald, I'm a call. So
they already know you take the discipline out of out
of the home. They already know what's going to happen, exactly,
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And so I think that it's breaking exactly the way
that they intended to intended for it to work. And
I think in order for us to counter it, we're
going to have to have think tank groups, think tank groups.
Just like they have think tank groups to implement programs
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and initiatives to harm us, we have to have think
tank groups to implement initiatives to counter theirs and to
improve our situations. You know, like we have to be
ready for that and strike it down before it ever
becomes law, because you know, they'll go in the back
room and make a lawry like write a lawteryal quick
(35:56):
and boom, and now that it's law, it don't matter
how foul or the gender it is, they run with
it because you know, we got some people who are
just programmed and say, well, you know, that's the law
and the law.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Right, especially when that the law works to their advantage.
They love to lean on the law when it works
to their advantage. When it doesn't work to their advantage,
they just go change the law like changing the pair
draws right, you know. But I believe that I agree
we need think tank groups, but we also need we
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need execution, And I agree, but that would.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Agree, I mean that would include execution.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And if we first of all, we
have to accept the fact that there is a school
to prison pipeline. Some of us are still in denial.
And if the think tank group is to try to
counter that, well, what does the CounterPunch look like? School
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to prison pipeline? So how do we create a school
to purpose pipeline. That's the way that thought process would work.
But we are at a point that's so critical right now,
Brother Will that I don't think that we can any
longer get around what the most honorable Elijah Muhammad taught
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that we should do, and that is for us to
position ourselves to teach and educate our own children. Ultimately,
if we want to be able to control the education
in our community, we got to open up our own schools.
And it's not something that cannot be done. It is
(37:42):
being done on a smaller scale. But we as a
people have to realize that just as our great brother
said that you cannot expect justice from a system that
was not created to give you that in the first place,
that was WB do, you can't expect education from a
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system that was not created to give you an education
that empowers you. Let's be honest. The American education system
was designed to create a population of employees, a population
of workers. So everywhere you have in HBCU, when I
(38:28):
speak at HBCUs, I tell them, you know, it's not
a coincidence that they teach you in HBCUs how to
go and conduct yourself in an interview. They tell you
what to wear, how to talk, how to sit, you know,
whether you should wear your natural hair or not. They
teach you what to do to go and get a job,
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but they don't teach enough how you can take your
gifts and your talents and your knowledge to go and
make a job for yourself. But right up the street
at the PWU, they're teaching them how to be CEOs.
At Harvard, they're teaching them how to be CEOs. And
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the goal is for the HBCU graduate to have to
go to the Harvard graduate to get a job. And
we have to circumvent that. We have to circumvint that.
So in this particular, there are two educational systems in America.
One is for black and poor people, all right, And
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in this educational system you're taught how to become an employee.
But in the elite educational system, they teach you how
to become president. Even if you're a dummy, you can
be a c student. Look at George Bush Junior is
George Bush Junior or was either third? I don't know. Yeah, Junior,
(39:55):
how do you become the president and you are a
C student?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You dumb like Trump? Just a regular dummy like Trump,
you know with the hugest word that he can use
is huge.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, it's it's it's classism for that, and it's a
cast system. So in order for us to escape it,
we have to create what in the Nation of Islam
is called a new educational paradigm. That means that we
have to do away with the old way, with the
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European way, with the American way of educating black children,
and get the best and brightest of our educators and
teachers together and find a way to create our own
curriculum and educate our own children. That's the only way
they'll reach their full potential.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Little boys reloaded podcasts which we break back after this week. Now,
you know, once that movement starts to happen, that America
is going to dangle the bag in front of the
(41:08):
educators and say, hey, come on over here. You know,
they're gonna try to steal our educators and put them
right back into that system, that oppressive system, you know,
like and so it goes it goes back to the money,
because that's to go. It's always to go to snatch
up our best. As soon as they see one of
us rising, and they see one of us, we articulate,
(41:29):
we can we're charismatic, we're smart. You know we can,
we can lead. They try to pluck you up and
get you to go work for them and so that
they can neutralize your progression, so that you can't help
your own people. See, once they take you from your
people and put you over there, then now you're in
the system, and now you working for them, and now
(41:50):
they control you. And then you know, once you do that,
you know, you kind of get comfortable with that paycheck
and that status that you have over there, and that's
why you turn your back on your own people and say, man,
I got it out the mud I did for myself.
Get it like I got it. I ain't going back
over there. But everybody goes back, even if they're not
(42:11):
going and hanging out on the block. They're stroking a check. Everybody,
all of the all of the groups out there, give back. Financially,
they couldn't survive, they couldn't even make it. They couldn't
even make it without doing that. It's expected, but they
want to do it, and it's expected. Let's cover this.
(42:35):
Let's cover this, this extant Thasian case. Exton Than's killer
was addressed by the judge. One of his killers, you know,
he had, three of them were sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Just the little brother that got killed in Florida.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yes, right, very very talented dude, I mean broke more
heart man. I heard it was special, very talented, mean,
just just exceptional, very wise for his age. And for
him to get gunned down in a robbery because somebody
wanted his money that he worked for. Uh, it was
(43:15):
just it was it was hurtful. But the judge, as
he's sentencing one of the killers, Michael boltwright, he's he's
describing this mundaneans, the mundaneness of what the prison experience
(43:35):
is going to look like for him doing life in prison.
And the judge said, when you took that gun and
you discuided to squeeze that trigger, you effectively ended five lives,
including your own. And he said for the next he said,
(43:57):
he said, you know, every when you leave here talking
about the courtroom, when you leave here, and I'm obviously paraphrasing,
but when you leave here, you're going to be taken
to a prison where you'll spend every day, where you'll
spend every hour, every day, every week, every year in
(44:24):
that cell. And then one day they're going to come
in in the morning and you will have passed on
and they'll come get you, and only then will you
have served your sentence. But he also described the jail cell.
(44:47):
He said, you're going to spend every hour, every day,
every week, every year in that cell. And you're going
to have a and iron what he said, in a
metal bed, a metal bed attached to a wall, and
(45:09):
you also have a metal sink and a metal toilet.
That'll be your furniture for the rest of your life.
And you could you could see dude with all that
postureing he had been doing. I saw him laughing, like
you know, a week or so ago and and trial,
but all of that was gone. I think if it
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finally hit him, this is my life. Think about that.
Like we got furniture at home, sometimes we get we
get tired of the furniture within a few months, be
ready to change, move stuff around, at the very least
moving around. I can't stand looking at this like this
any longer. But that's his furniture for the rest of
his life. And in Florida, life is life. Yeah, yeah,
(45:57):
so what And the program that you run is what's
the name of it, smart Enough, smart Enough Black Male Summit,
the Black Male Summit, smart Enough, where you work with
these black males, many of them who are at risk.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
What is it that you tell them? And what is
it that you teach them? What do you show them
to avoid ending up in a situation like Michael Bolt
writing those others who killed.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Ex Yes, sir, We try to make it clear to
them that the most profound the most profound form of
mathematics is not algebra, it's not trigonometry. The most profound
form of mathematics is being able to calculate future consequences
(46:55):
for current decisions. See in that moment, that young man
who killed x extent Tashion was calculating the future consequences
of his actions, and he was asking himself the question
was it worth it? Was it worth it? See? When
(47:17):
the clown is at the circus and the crowd is there,
he feels useful, he feels important, he feels relevant because
he's entertaining the crowd. But when the crowd is gone,
and the clown looks in the mirror he realizes what
(47:38):
he is. A clown. Wow, a crash dummy. In that moment,
standing in front of that judge, he realized what he
really was. You ain't no damn killer, You ain't no
damn goon, You ain't no damn gang member. You ain't
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no no damn step up. Use a clown right now.
And the crowd is gone, The people that you were
dancing for gone. You wanted to rob him so that
you could buy a car to impress the crowd, so
you could buy the clothes to impress the crowd. But
(48:21):
the crowd is gone. Now you're left alone, which is
you and the consequences of your actions. So we try
to get through to these young brothers that this ain't
no damn game. We out here playing for keeps, and
(48:42):
a crash dummy is somebody who was willing to do
anything to be accepted as somebody that he was not
born to be. So we have to be about the
business of trying to create options for these young brother
When people see Willie d drive by in that nice
(49:04):
vehicle that I passed by on the way in, When
the youngster see you drive by. Yeah, I want that,
And there's nothing wrong with them wanting that. But what
they have to understand is that that didn't come free.
(49:24):
That came with blood, sweat, tears, and years. And that's
what we're trying to teach them, that the long game
is better than the short game. See. The long game
puts you in a position where you can create generational wealth.
But the short game trying to rob somebody of their
(49:47):
hard earned money. The short game robbing a damn liquor
store and people don't even care cash no more, talk
about a crash dummy. The short game selling poison and
pushing poison into your community, and the same dope fiend
that you're selling the poison to might come back and
blow your damn head off when he don't have the
(50:08):
money to get the dope from you. See, the short
game will cause you to pass on generational hell. Not
generational wealth, but generational hell. Because guess what if you
go to prison and you got to do thirty years,
and let's say you got a child on the way,
(50:29):
that child does every last one of them, every day
of that thirty years with you, that child doing time too,
because they're out here unprotected, not cared for. You're not
in a position where you can provide for your child,
so they doing time too. So these are some of
(50:51):
the things that we try to get over to these
young brothers. You know that your life is way worth
It's worth way more then what it is that you
think you're gonna get trying to take some from somebody,
especially after they have worked hard for what they've gotten.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
When I was on my way up trying to get it,
battling at rying stone, wrangling, Yeah, going to Joe's on
Monday nights, knocking on doors, selling newspaper subscriptions and writing
in between doors and waiting on my supervisor to pick
(51:36):
me up and take me to the next location. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
The entire time, I'm thinking, like I'm seeing I'm seeing
other guys who already got it. Yeah, but they got
it by ill means. I didn't wish bad on them,
but I knew that that was short term, like he
(52:05):
probably gonna end up dead in jail, because basically, I mean,
I wasn't a genius. I just looked at the odds,
like everybody else that I know was going to jail
and getting killed, you know, or getting aimed so that
was just how it was, and I was thinking, I'm
always I've always been a long, long, long term dude,
a long goal, you know, like I'm always looking for
(52:28):
the big play, long play longevity. To me, it ain't
how you start, it's how you end. So the little
having the money for a short period of time has
never interested me because I never want to be the
dude who talk about what I used to do or
what I used to have. It's like I got it now,
(52:50):
you know. And so a lot of guys who had
it then they ain't got it now. And they and
they every time they got out, some of them, most
of them, every time they got out, they went right
back to the same thing, got pot, went right back
the same thing, got pop. And at the end of
the day, it's kind of like a gambler. At the
(53:10):
end of the day, all you got is a lot
of lost time, you down, perhaps you broke even.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
That's the worst thing you can lose.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
At the best, and for most gamblers, the best that
they can hope for is to break even. Most gamblers
lose lose everything. There's only a few that can say
I won. But even the winners, the time that they
commit to gambling, the time that they spend away from
(53:38):
their families in the streets hustling, and the time that
they spent on worrying, stressing on the money and how
to get it and how to get it back and
watching that back and being in that element, because that's
a dark element to being in that type of environment,
you know, And I've been there. That's why I could
(53:59):
speak on it. Yeah, I did it all. Yeah, but
it's definitely it was not worth it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah. And in our last conversation, I don't know if
it was on a podcast or a personal conversation, you
talked about the moment when you decided that you wanted
to live. You know, there are a lot of young
brothers out here who are in such a dark place
that they've not yet decided that they want to live.
(54:28):
So they'll risk their lives trying to get a bag
because worst case scenario, I'll die in the process. Either
I'm gonna die I'm gonna get rich. That young man
who was standing in front of that jadge that you
just told me about, he probably wished that he had.
(54:49):
He would rather be dead than facing what he's facing
right now, because a life sentence is essentially that your
life is over. So if there are any young brothers
who might be listening to us right now, make the
decision to live today. And once you've made the decision
(55:11):
that you want to have a life, then God damn it,
you have to adjust your lifestyle to somebody who's finna
live and not somebody who fixing to die. Stop watching
the clock thinking that you're gonna die tomorrow, because guess what,
you just might live. And if God blesses you to
(55:33):
stay alive, you only be able to look at the
past five, ten, fifteen years and say that you made
decisions that will advantageous to your future, advantageous to your children.
God damn it. You know they got Mother's Day coming up.
I tell people all the time. I tell brothers all
(55:54):
the time, Hey, man, your life is your letter to
your mama. Your life, that's your letter to your mama.
Make sure that it is a letter that she would
be proud reading, whether she's dead or alive. But I
said this at I said this at a conference this weekend.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
It was called mastering Manhood, and we were talking about
we got a master manhood so we could be better
fathers to our children, better husbands to our wives, better
leaders to our community. And I said, yeah, that's true,
that's fine, But I feel like, as black men, we
have to adopt a new mindset. Yeah, we want to
(56:39):
be better husbands, leaders, and fathers, But what about me
want to do better for me? What about me wanting
to be healthier for my damn self? What about me
wanting to be a better person, a better man for me?
We don't even think like that because we have not
(56:59):
been taught as black men, how to even give a
damn about ourselves. Why because at every turn we're judged
on how we take care of other people. We're not
judged on how well we take care of ourselves. But
we are in a health epidemic and a health crisis
as black men because we don't take care of ourselves.
We're dying like ninety going north from heart disease, prostate cancer,
(57:24):
you name it. We dying from it. You can't take
care of nobody dead where y'are. You can if you
leave them, you know the life insurance policy. Yeah, but
if you're not here to teach them what to do
with it, they still gonna end up broke.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
But the person that's moving reckless they're not thinking life
insurance policy anyway, right, These type people, they're not thinking
like that. You know, I was one of those type
of people. You don't think about that. It's going back
to what you're saying. I didn't get it. I didn't
figure it out till I started caring about my life.
I was like, I don't want to die like a
dog in the.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Street, right, And I don't want to live like a dog.
And I don't I don't like a dog.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
I don't want to die like a dog. You know,
I don't even I don't even want to, you know,
put certain things in my body that I know that
it's going to what you call it. You called it,
uh something about diabetes. And you were saying, anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Don't want to generational health.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
None, No, yeah, generational health. But you was you were saying,
leaning toward diabetes or something some words, some phrases use diabetic.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
I got you, uh uh.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
But I don't want to be doing all this stuff, man,
and then end up at the doctor and they tell
me that I got something that could have been prevented
by just my lifestyle. You know, I don't want to
end up in a in a wheelchair paralyzed sitting on
the porch. Can't go nowhere and let somebody take me
because I participated in some activities that I didn't have to,
(59:05):
and I already know this is what comes with it,
and I did it anyway. I don't want to be
that dude. So it's like, once I decided that I
love myself and I don't want nobody, I don't. I
don't want nobody just shooting me, stabbing me. I take
offense to that. I don't want to get stabbed. You know,
I want to get shot. I don't want to have
my body maimed. You know. I love my body, so
(59:26):
I don't want it. I don't want nobody doing anything
in my body. That's why I defended so well. So
once I started doing that, you love yourself first to
your point, and then you can consider loving others. Right,
So that's why I was with that. Man. But you
(59:47):
said a mouthful man, and I appreciate you coming over
and sharing your wisdom.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Man, I appreciate well.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
You knocked it out the park again. How you do that? Man?
If you was a baseball player, man, you probably get
the first billion out of contract. Oh brother, man, you
have a billion on a contract out there, yet.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I have no idea. To God be the glory. To
God be the glory. Man, thanks for having me, brother,
Will and Man. Conversations with you are like watershed moments
for me, whether it's on a podcast or just a
personal conversation. Man, I really really see you and know
you to be one of the realists, not just have
(01:00:26):
not one of the realists to just have ever wrapped,
but one of the realists who to just have ever breathed. So, Man,
thank you for being you. And to anyone who might
be listening to this conversation, know that both Will and
Not understand that we could have just hipped a little
(01:00:47):
bit to the left, to hipped a little bit to
the right, and we wouldn't be in the position that
we're in today. So we don't judge, but we come
to the subject matter until the table with compassion. We're
doing all we can to try to pour as much
into the next generation. And I think that in and
of itself, like what we're doing on this podcast right now,
(01:01:10):
if some younger brothers are listening and they take hold
of what we're saying, we're passing on the form of
generational will for the community right now. And I feel
good about that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And that's important to say, man, because it's easy. It
would be very very easy for you or I to
just go do whatever we want to do and get paid,
you know, live a nice comfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Life and not be and not be concerned.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Exactly with Yeah, we're both sharp individuals, we're intelligent. You know,
we got connections, you know, we got resources. We do
we want to do. But what we're doing right now,
this is this is uh, this is this is perhaps
the most important thing that we could be doing. And
it's very very dangerous. It is you see, That's what
people don't understand, Like when you start putting information out
(01:02:02):
to help black folks, that's dangerous. Yeah, and you're not
going to just get You're not just gonna be targeted
by you know those people. You're gonna be targeted by
your people. Yeah, so you got those exactly, those Ryan
those seas start with a see rhyme.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
With moons, Yeah, exactly exactly. They're those among us who
want to convince us that there is no hope for
the young brother, you know, standing at the bus stop
on Homestead with the pistol, you know, trying to see
what his next move is But I remember when that
was really d I'm telling you, like, I watch you
(01:02:42):
go from that to this and to wherever else you're going,
So I know it could be done. When I look
in the mirror and I see what God has done
for me, I know that it could be done. So
no matter what condition I find one of these little
youngsters in, I see that in them is a greatness
(01:03:04):
that has the potential to surpass yours and mine put together,
The question becomes, how can I get him to see
his own greatness. It's one thing for me to believe
in you, but how can I get you to believe
in yourself? And that's the challenge, brother, But we accept
the challenge and we're up for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And that's why I give grace because we've already taken
that journey. Yeah, and I know, yeah, like the same
thing that they're getting right now, the same backlash year.
They're getting the same criticism, critiquing, you know, the smoke
that they get. I got it. But you know what
(01:03:47):
made me, what made me get through it, what helped
me get through it, was the belief in myself. It
didn't matter what everybody else was saying. Yeah, even my
own family. My own sister said I need to stop
this rap thing, go get a job, and she stopped
saying that when I bought her that the first time
(01:04:10):
I bought it. Suv what I'm saying. So, so I
know I've been there, and I know, and I thank
you for saying that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Mannah, it's real, bro, and I know were running out
of time. But when you see somebody you remember brother
named Hilton West.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
From absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I remember when Hilton West got killed by a police officer.
I seen him, maybe I was with him fifteen minutes
before he got killed. That was my first time seeing
somebody lifeless right after I saw him alive. And it
was a daunting experience for me. Right, So, to see
(01:04:53):
somebody dead right after you saw them alive, that's a shock.
But to see somebody go from abject to poverty and
just watched them over the years go through the vicissitudes
in life, and you know, you see them become you
(01:05:15):
know who they become talking about you? Hey, brother, that
right there gives you faith and belief that it can
happen for anybody. When the brother Jay Prince put out
his book, I went to his book signing in Houston
because I had to go and support him. And you know,
we all from the same neighborhood. This was a couple
(01:05:38):
of years ago. I'm in there, brother, and I'm seeing
so many brothers who went to jail in the nineties,
got thirty years and just coming home. I'm like, whoa
I'm talking about? These are all childhood friends. And a
voice kept, you know, playing in the back of my head.
(01:06:00):
You know this could have been you, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
E Jesus easy, Well, thank god it was you, man,
and thank god we got you. And thank God that
you've been using your body, your time, your influence, your
wisdom to you know, to help all these other youngsters
out here man that might be going through the same thing.
Ladies and gentlemen. The Great, the Honorable Derek Muhammad, the homie,
(01:06:28):
what's up baby?
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I love you, my brother, Peace, love.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You back man. No mo talk, No more talk. This
episode was produced by a King and brought to you
by the Black Effect Podcast Network at I Heart Radio.
Yep, yep, Ghetto Boys is back and redod it all
in your mind. Yeah, now deep throating. This is for
the streets, the real the reil, goading, the disenfranchise, the
truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak the truth,
so they a quoted because we wrote it. The North
South East coaches, the ge be mocked for keeping your head, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It ain't no stopping.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And once the be drops head by and then the
system is so corrupt they threw the rock out their
heads and then blame it on us. Don't get it
twisted on coding Meg danced to put no butterment biscuits.
It's Willy d y'all. Ghetto Boys in the house back
with another episode of information and instructions to help you
(00:42):
navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,
My brother, my brother, Derek Muhammad, thank you for having me.
Welcome back, man, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I appreciate it. Brother, It's and honor to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Man. You are a crowd favor man. They like what
you had to say about about pretty much everything, but
especially what you had to say about black men, black males,
young black males and what we have to do to
get on the right track.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a very underrepresented subject. It is. It's the mathematical
problem that nobody in a math class wants to solve.
What do we do with the black male? And the
reason that you don't hear it focused on intentionally a
(01:29):
lot is because so many people have given up on
our young boys. They've given up on black men. But
I tell people all the time, you know, the moment
you start thinking about giving up on black people, ask
yourself the question where you would be had God giving
up on you?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And where you would be if black people had given
up on you. Now you think about where America would
be if black people had said, I don't give down
what you say, I don't care down what you do.
I ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Come on with it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Will imagine where this country would be. It definitely would
not be the force that it is.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, she certainly wouldn't be as rich as she is,
she wouldn't be as wealthy as she is, she would
not be as powerful as she is.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, it's so hard about recognizing that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's a good question, that's the good question. The problem
is we weren't known them to recognize it. For us, Okay. See,
you can never obtain your freedom if you have adopted
the value system of your oppressor. When you adopt the
value system of your oppressor, you devalue yourself. Why because
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it's obvious he don't see no value in you. If
he did, he would not have been oppressing you. So
what we have to do as a people is we
have to go back to basics and we have to
redefine what is valuable to us. See, we were talk
for a very long time. Go to school, get education,
(03:06):
get a job, get a house, get you a nice call.
And this is the mundane formula that pretty much has
not worked for us. But these are the things that
we have been taught to value. We must first learn
to value character. We must learn to value spirituality. We
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must learn to value economics, but from a perspective where
we invest in assets, not in liabilities. And the thing
that we really have to learn to value, brother will
is each other. I say it all the time. You
know the future of black people is not dependent upon
how white people see black people. The future of black
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people is dependent upon how black people see black people.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Talk talk to me. This is why I get soul
with these people who jump on the internet. Black people
who jump on the internet. See, that's why we can't
never were the worst, We our own worst enemy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We wooh wooh wooh wooh woop.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And you know, seeking validation and also just being basically
indoctrinated like everybody else, to view themselves as a lower class,
as someone who is unworthy. And they think they make sense.
They think they're smart when they say things like that. See,
that's why you know black people with black people, is
(04:35):
it black people that we have to be very careful
of who's helping and who's critiquing because there's a lot
of black people out there all day long. All they
do is critique black people, the black experience right, black
community and black distance black people this and black black
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black of the black of the black black. But they
ain't gotten no smoke. They ain't got no critique for nobody.
Everybody else must be perfect. It's all they focus on
is trying to critique black people, not helping, I said, critiquing, critiquing.
All they do. Their whole focus is critiquing. I want
to go back to something that you mentioned about adopting
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the value system of your oppressor. That can also be
levied against relationships. Yeah, Like I've heard men say, well
women do it, And I mean when I say women
do it, it's something that that is out of character,
(05:40):
you know, that is not popular, something that's that's foul.
They'll say, well, women do it. And now I've heard
women say will men do it? Like again, these are
when they say when men do it, they're assuming the
value the value system of their person oppressor, whoever that
(06:01):
person is, is a presser who they feel like has
oppressed them in some kind of way. I don't understand
the stooping to a level where you you abandon your values,
you abandon your attributes to acquiesce to somebody else's shortcomings.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Exactly. See what happens is we've adopted the same mentality
toward relationships as our oppressor. Black people have what I
call a versus mentality, meaning that it always has to
be this rapper versus that rapper, who's your favorite, or
(06:44):
this television show, this idea, whatever it is. It's a
versus mentality, and whoever wins the versus whoever comes in
second is irrelative. Right now, talking to a black child,
(07:05):
a black child will say something like, you know, my
mama did more for me than my daddy. My question
to that child is who taught you to compare? If
you say your mother did more for you, you're admitting
that your dad has done something for you. Am I correct?
(07:26):
But you want the man to compare or compete with
the woman who laid on an operating table, a delivery table,
and went to death's door to give you birth? Okay,
But the question is who taught you to compare what
your dad did for you. May God bless him, because
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it attributed to who you became, if you became somebody successful,
what your mother did for you. It's beautiful. It attributed
to you know who you are are if you became successful.
But to make the comparative analysis between it's my daddy
versus my mama. See, this is something that we've been
(08:12):
programmed to do. That we got to get out of
two black coffee shops on the same corner. Which one
do you like this one versus that one? Well, they
put a little too much sugar in theirs. What their
coffee is fifteen cents a little bit more expensive than this.
We're always finding a reason to be divided, and it's
(08:36):
the Willy Lynch mentality. The slave mentality that teaches us
to denegrate and degrade all things that are black. So
what we do is we perpetuate the myth of black inferiority. See,
we talk a lot about black white Excuse me, we
talk a lot about white supremacy, but we don't talk
(08:57):
about how you can I have white supremacy without including
the myth of black inferiority. Black inferiority is what gives
white supremacy its oxygen. So when somebody is on the
Internet just scroll and looking for something black to criticize
(09:18):
and to critique, they're perpetuating the myth of black inferiority.
And as long as the myth of black inferiority is perpetuated,
we can never be free as a people because we
are then still adopting the value system of our oppressor.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Man, let's talk about Professor Griff the Good Brother, Professor.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Griff Salama Lacam Brother, Professor Griff.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Lacam Man, Professor Griff is necessary. I came across a
video from twenty twelve. Professor Griff, I like to go
back in the annals of history the time and just
see how certain ideologies match up in present day. Right,
(10:08):
So I'm watching this video clip of Professor Griff making
an assessment of hip hop, and he's talking about how
these white kids who are the offsprings of the white executive,
the executives and hip hop had started their own subsidiaries
(10:33):
and one of the goals was to normalize the inward
and one of the goals was also to emasculate black males.
And Professor Griff predicted, he predicted that black males would
(10:54):
be running around with purses and wearing skirts. They'll have
these man versus and wearing skirts. And we see it
in sports, yes, sir, we see it in hip hop. Yeah,
we see it in politics even and even in the streets.
What's your take on metrosexuality and hip hop?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's a very good question. I really don't even know
what the term metrosexuality means, but from my understanding of
the term, my take on it is I think it's
very dangerous. I think when you begin to blur the
lines between manhood and femininity, then what you do is
(11:44):
you begin to weaken the pool of men. In our culture.
There are certain things that are said done, certain clothing
and items that are worn. Nowadays, you couldn't get you
couldn't get away with wearing a purse back in the
nineties when we were listening to you know Nwa. But
(12:07):
I believe that Professor griff was not only onto something.
I believe that his mathematical calculation of what would be
is now our reality. And I do believe that this
was planned. I believe that there was a concerted effort
(12:29):
to dehumanize, demonize, and emasculate the black male. Because as
long as the black man is weakened, the black woman
is fair game. As long as the black man is weakened,
then there's no one there to protect black children. As
long as the black man is weakened, the black community
(12:53):
is like dust. What is dust? Dust is a particle
of matter that used to be tied to something that
had a function. So if you weaken and break down
the black man, then black people are defenseless. And this
(13:15):
is where we will find ourselves if real men don't
stand up in our community and protect and defend first
and foremost, the dignity of our ancestors, the dignity of
our history, the dignity of our women, the dignity of
our elders, the dignity of our children. We need strong men,
(13:40):
not emasculated men. But another reason that I believe that,
particularly in hip hop, that it was important to emasculate
the male in hip hop is because an emasculated man
is easier to steal from It's easier to take from him.
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So it's not a coincidence that you see the intellectual
property of our rappers flying out the door. You know
how when you go to a funeral and they have
the doves, and as soon as they unlock that cage,
the dove just takes off and never returns. That is
how fast and how far the intellectual property of our
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great artists is flying out of our culture. And so
you've got wealthy white families who are passing on the
publishing of some of our greatest rappers to their children
and grandchildren. Think about that our intellectual property have become
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their assets. And I think that that in and of
itself is a form of emasculation. And it's not okay,
you know what, because your intellectual property starts with your ideas.
Where do your ideas come from? If you got a
unique idea, that idea came from God, if you didn't
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steal it from somebody else, it came from God and
it's given to you to express through your God given
talent that should belong to you. But if you have
been weakened and emasculated, it's easier for somebody to come
and take it and you not say a damn thing
about it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Little boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after this week.
You spoke at length about generational wealth, and that's what basically,
when you're passing down assets from generation to generation, from
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your kids to your grandkids and so on, that's generational
meaning meaning extended periods. Right. So I made a post recently.
I don't know if you saw it. I need Okay, Well,
this guy is talking about generational wealth and he says
that it's become a catchphrase basically, and that you know,
(16:14):
it's a marketing ploy, it's what he said something like that,
and that he hates through word generational wealth because it
puts undue pressure on black people to set up the
generations after them, and this is why people are doing
PPP loans and stuff to try to get generational wealth.
And I was actually very I guess pleased that most
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of the people that was in the comments wrote that
off like it's the most ridiculous thing that they've ever heard.
Why is it difficult for some people to wrap their
head around some people, and I'll say specifically Black people,
to wrap their head around the importance of generational.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wealth because we have adopted the value system of our ancestors,
and our ancestors never saw fit or never thought that
we as a people should have anything.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But I mean, you're speaking not not You're not speaking
about all of our ancestors though, because many of our
ancestors did make way for their their children.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, but they had to get it out the mud.
You understand. What did I say, ancestors are oppressor?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, even if we look at the oppressor, you know,
like I mean, they've done pretty well. If you think
about the Rockefellers and the Walters and the you know,
the you know, any any of them. I mean even
even you know, if you look at I hate to
say his name, but even look at the Trumps. You
know what I'm saying. You look at them, you look
at other families, the bodies, yeah more recently, but even
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the Bush right, But they are the Hilton's passing it down,
passing it down because the generational the way you achieve
a generational wealth is you know, you're having assets. You
know you have you have assets that where you uh,
don't have to touch the principle. You're making so much
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money you never have to touch the principle and you
pass that down and that's how you get to it.
That's how you can say that, you know, Okay, we've
set it up to where the generations after us are
going to have it and we don't have to worry
about that, right. But on the flip side of that
is that I think one of the reasons why we
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don't get it is because we've been so wrapped up
and just trying to survive. Every every one of our
generations have had to face some type of oppression and
and we've have to you know, we've we've have to
try to walk through these minds, these these mind fields.
(19:03):
You know what I'm saying, it's booby traps everywhere, and
a lot of it I think is just trying to
you know, we've been focused on just surviving. Right now,
this is probably our richest generation right now, Like we
got money like out the anus, but we're not producing,
we're consuming.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, but we have money, but do most of us
have wealth and I think that's the term that we
have to look at more carefully because generational wealth most
certainly represents assets, which includes money, real estate, stocks, bonds,
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like you say, anything that produces property, right property. But
that's not the only thing that makes you wealthy. Now,
I don't want to get away from the economics. And
that's why I said, it's because we have a opted
the value system of our oppressor, meaning that they never
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thought that black people were worthy of having anything. And
if you, as a black person, even in twenty twenty three,
adopt the value system of your oppressor, you still don't
think that black people are worth having anything. See, we
don't know how deep this self hatred thing goes. See
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you have some black people who have an opportunity for
upward mobility, and sometimes they'll sabotage it because they don't
believe that they deserve it. They may never admit it,
but they'll sabotage it because they don't believe that they
deserve it. If you hate your children, then you don't
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give a damn about passing anything on to them. You
feel like they need to get it out at the
mud just like you. So it owes back to knowledge
of self. It goes back to love for self, and
it goes back to reconfiguring our value system. We got
to learn to see each other the way God sees
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us and not the way white people saw us and
still see us to this very day. But I think
generational wealth should also include health. Generational health because if
you have a diet that flirts with diabetes, if you
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got a diet that flirts with heart disease, if you're
raising your children on a diet that flirts with cancer,
and you know you've got these things in your family,
well you may not necessarily be passing down the disease
to the next generation, but when you pass down those
eating habits, you are in turn passing down that disease
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to the next generation. So generational wealth should also include health.
It should include knowledge. We got to pass down the
history to our children, and you know, all of those
things that make one truly wealthy, because let's just be honest.
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We talked about the rock Rockefellers, we talked about the Trumps,
we talked about you know, the Warburgs, and all of
these other families that literally rule the world. But some
of them are in hell they're wealthy, but they are
in hell, and so I see a lot of billionaires
(22:41):
will who are saying, you know what, all this money
I made, I rather donate it to charity because they
see that the money, the resources, and the relationship ships
have done more to ruin their children than to help
their children. So I do think that we you definitely
need to focus on generational wealth as individuals, but we
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also have to focus on generational wealth as a collective
of black people. We got to focus on generational wealth
as a people.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm with that. With that, I was watching this video
of this woman out and bat and rouge. She had
jumped the bus driver with her two daughters, a thirteen
year old and eighteen year old. I mean, they beat
the hell out of the bus driver, a female bus driver.
You know, I don't even know what the fight was about,
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but they jumped her, beat the brakes off of her.
Is there a way that we can like protect these
bus drivers, because this is not the first fight that
I've seen on the bus with parents jumping the bus
driver or students jumping bus drivers. Is that something that
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can be done besides having an armed police officer with
an AK forty seven standing at the front of the bus.
Is that something that can be done to protect these
bus drivers.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
That's a very good question. You know, bus drivers are
being attacked, teachers are being attacked, pepper sprayed and so
on and so forth. That's a good question. Will I
do think that you need on site security not only
at the schools, but you need on site security at
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at you know, on these buses, not just to protect
the administrations, but to protect the students as well.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Should they have guns.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
They I don't. I don't think that it is necessary
for all of them to be armed, or any of
them to be armed. I guess it just depends on
the situation. But you need security who have the mindset
of security being prevention. Now I'm a trained you know,
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security guide in the FOI. So when we go into
the projects and when we go into the schools, we
try to build relationships with the children so that we
can catch a problem before the problem becomes a problem,
if you understand what I'm saying. So there has to
be security in there that that that that that that
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kind of unifies the element brings everybody together and that
can work that situation. But right now, the reality in
America is bro there's so much pressure in America right
now mentally on people emotionally. Do you realize that we
(25:58):
just reached over it. Two hundred mass shootings in this country.
We're not even on the two hundredth day of the year.
And so the culture of violence in that America has
promoted for years because this country was built on violence,
is coming back to hunt the country and it is
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destroying the country from within. So I do believe that
there should be security at these schools. I don't think
that because they already have armed security with police officers right,
that's obviously not working. But I think we need the
type of security that could unify the campus, the type
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of security that can make certain that these children have
a voice, and that can come in and do what's
called conflict resolution. The problem is to catch the problem
before it gets out of hand.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, sort of like when you're out as an artist.
The best security is the security that doesn't have to fight,
the security that doesn't have to, you know, dodge bullets
and stuff. Because they're focused on prevention. They can see
things happening, They can see things that might happen, that
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could happen, So they go in and they secure the
VIP they secure the entire room or club or venue
or whatever. They make sure that they know the easy end,
the easy out, and it's fast, it's moving like that
boom boom. That's that's good security. These guys that come
in they put the gloves on and walk in like
(27:40):
this and they got the menace in face. When when
your patrons come up to the door or whatever, and
are they walking in with their client and their mean
mugging people get out the way. These are horrible security people.
They got thet they got the wrong idea about about security.
But speaking to secure in schools, it hasn't worked. I
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think primarily because of what you said. These people that
work in these schools are not invested in the community,
do you guys in the FOI are invested in the community.
In fact, you started, you know this security detail so
that you know with your people in mind, like I'm
going to protect my people. I don't want to you
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going in like I don't want no problems with my people.
I don't want to put my hands on anybody. That's
the last thing that I want to do. A lot
of these security people that they hire, they go in
and that's the first thing they want to do. They
want to put their hands on our babies, right, they
look into it. And I'm not saying that some of
these kids are not wild, right, They're not wild and
(28:49):
out of control or whatever, and they don't need to
be restrained in some kind of way. But restraint is
different from just beating their breaks off kids and picking
them up and slamming them down and all that. They
don't have to do that, and I've seen that happen many, many,
many times, and I think this, it's very, very dangerous
to have these type of people around our kids. And
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I suspect that's what they have on those buses, if
they put armed security on those buses, and if they
continue to put armed security in these schools. I've seen
in some situations where they've dialed back. You know, with
these resource offices, what.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They need to do is they have to send someone
from the community who understands the plight of these young
brothers and sisters. You know, I grew up in the
projects myself for the better part of my childhood. My
mother had a very very terrible drug problem, So I
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know what it's like growing up in household with a
mother or a parent who has a substance abuse issue
that renders him or her powerless, meaning that they don't
know how to be a mother under these conditions, don't
know how to be a father under conditions. But I
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still had to go to school. So when I hauled
off and stole somebody in the jaw, you know, back
in the day, it may not be that what that
person did or said to me was really, you know,
that bad. But I was a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Man.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was talking to a young lady the other day,
and she's a young lady. She's in school, she's doing
well for herself, and she started talking about her parents,
and she talked about how her mother passed away when
she was four years old and how she's never gotten
over that. So I said, what about your dad? She said, oh,
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I don't have no good relationship with him either. So
I made the mistake of asking why. She said, well,
you know, when I was a senior in high school,
I had to start dancing. I say, dancing, what you mean,
dancing on the dance team on the football field. She
started laughing. No, I started stripping. I said, okay, she said,
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but my dad got mad at me because I wouldn't
allow him to manage my money. So I got kicked
out the house. I said, this is your biological father.
She said, yeah, a child that's going through something like that.
What kind of mindset do you think she's gonna have
when she goes to school? You think she really give
(31:37):
a damn that Abraham Lincoln quote unquote free the slaves. See,
you gotta have somebody in the school that understands what
she's going through and has the kind of compassion where
they can reach her. You know, that can de escalate
a situation, that could see it before it's you know
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how it is back in the day when we was
in the club, you could just feel when somebody was
about to start shooting. It's a sixth sense that you
have for your own people. And if you bring a
police officer from you know, the Woods, cut and Shoot
Texas or whatever into a school in the hood, you
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give him a badge, you give him a gun, and
you tell him, I need you to tame these wild
animals in here. That's what he's there to do. He's
not there to de escalate. He's there to be a
force to either lock them up or get them kicked out.
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So there's just not enough compassion in the schools for
what these children are going through. Now, that does not
excuse you putting your hands on somebody. That's a whole different,
you know, conversation. But the schools have become clownhouses, brother
will and I hate to say it, but all they
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doing is babysitting half the time. In some cases, when
you walk through these schools, you feel like you are
in a prison because that's what the atmosphere feels like.
But every now and then there are a few teachers
in that school that makes that place worth going for
the students, and we just need more of that.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So would a good solution be to start early, like
start like get reaching these kids at pre k kindergarten.
And you're doing that, but you're also dealing with what's
happening in real time right with the kids of age.
Because it's very possible to walk into bubblegum. You know,
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two things can be true at a time at the
same time, two things can be done to attack a
problem at once. Oftentimes we tend to say, hey, it's
one way or the other, not the one thing or
that's it. And we love putting band aids on gun.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Shaps exactly exactly exactly. I think one of the problems
is the school is more of a factory where they
just send everybody through the same process, no matter what
might be going on at home. I think that more
has to be done to identify the needs of each
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particular student.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But we're under attack though, if you think about it,
we're under attack because the schools are actually operating exactly
how they intended for them to operate. The fights with
the kids and the schools, the kids fighting, the teachers
fighting the bus drivers, this was planned, brother, This is
all part of the agenda the school.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
To pine exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's part of the whole thing. You know, you're disciplining
your kids, they can call the police. I'm not even
talking about beating kids to where they skin break. I'm
just saying you can't even touch a catch child. The
kid got the phone, right, Donald, I'm a call. So
they already know you take the discipline out of out
of the home. They already know what's going to happen, exactly,
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And so I think that it's breaking exactly the way
that they intended to intended for it to work. And
I think in order for us to counter it, we're
going to have to have think tank groups, think tank groups.
Just like they have think tank groups to implement programs
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and initiatives to harm us, we have to have think
tank groups to implement initiatives to counter theirs and to
improve our situations. You know, like we have to be
ready for that and strike it down before it ever
becomes law, because you know, they'll go in the back
room and make a lawry like write a lawteryal quick
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and boom, and now that it's law, it don't matter
how foul or the gender it is, they run with
it because you know, we got some people who are
just programmed and say, well, you know, that's the law
and the law.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Right, especially when that the law works to their advantage.
They love to lean on the law when it works
to their advantage. When it doesn't work to their advantage,
they just go change the law like changing the pair
draws right, you know. But I believe that I agree
we need think tank groups, but we also need we
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need execution, And I agree, but that would.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Agree, I mean that would include execution.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And if we first of all, we
have to accept the fact that there is a school
to prison pipeline. Some of us are still in denial.
And if the think tank group is to try to
counter that, well, what does the CounterPunch look like? School
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to prison pipeline? So how do we create a school
to purpose pipeline. That's the way that thought process would work.
But we are at a point that's so critical right now,
Brother Will that I don't think that we can any
longer get around what the most honorable Elijah Muhammad taught
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that we should do, and that is for us to
position ourselves to teach and educate our own children. Ultimately,
if we want to be able to control the education
in our community, we got to open up our own schools.
And it's not something that cannot be done. It is
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being done on a smaller scale. But we as a
people have to realize that just as our great brother
said that you cannot expect justice from a system that
was not created to give you that in the first place,
that was WB do, you can't expect education from a
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system that was not created to give you an education
that empowers you. Let's be honest. The American education system
was designed to create a population of employees, a population
of workers. So everywhere you have in HBCU, when I
(38:28):
speak at HBCUs, I tell them, you know, it's not
a coincidence that they teach you in HBCUs how to
go and conduct yourself in an interview. They tell you
what to wear, how to talk, how to sit, you know,
whether you should wear your natural hair or not. They
teach you what to do to go and get a job,
(38:50):
but they don't teach enough how you can take your
gifts and your talents and your knowledge to go and
make a job for yourself. But right up the street
at the PWU, they're teaching them how to be CEOs.
At Harvard, they're teaching them how to be CEOs. And
(39:12):
the goal is for the HBCU graduate to have to
go to the Harvard graduate to get a job. And
we have to circumvent that. We have to circumvint that.
So in this particular, there are two educational systems in America.
One is for black and poor people, all right, And
(39:33):
in this educational system you're taught how to become an employee.
But in the elite educational system, they teach you how
to become president. Even if you're a dummy, you can
be a c student. Look at George Bush Junior is
George Bush Junior or was either third? I don't know. Yeah, Junior,
(39:55):
how do you become the president and you are a
C student?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You dumb like Trump? Just a regular dummy like Trump,
you know with the hugest word that he can use
is huge.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, it's it's it's classism for that, and it's a
cast system. So in order for us to escape it,
we have to create what in the Nation of Islam
is called a new educational paradigm. That means that we
have to do away with the old way, with the
(40:30):
European way, with the American way of educating black children,
and get the best and brightest of our educators and
teachers together and find a way to create our own
curriculum and educate our own children. That's the only way
they'll reach their full potential.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Little boys reloaded podcasts which we break back after this week. Now,
you know, once that movement starts to happen, that America
is going to dangle the bag in front of the
(41:08):
educators and say, hey, come on over here. You know,
they're gonna try to steal our educators and put them
right back into that system, that oppressive system, you know,
like and so it goes it goes back to the money,
because that's to go. It's always to go to snatch
up our best. As soon as they see one of
us rising, and they see one of us, we articulate,
(41:29):
we can we're charismatic, we're smart. You know we can,
we can lead. They try to pluck you up and
get you to go work for them and so that
they can neutralize your progression, so that you can't help
your own people. See, once they take you from your
people and put you over there, then now you're in
the system, and now you working for them, and now
(41:50):
they control you. And then you know, once you do that,
you know, you kind of get comfortable with that paycheck
and that status that you have over there, and that's
why you turn your back on your own people and say, man,
I got it out the mud I did for myself.
Get it like I got it. I ain't going back
over there. But everybody goes back, even if they're not
(42:11):
going and hanging out on the block. They're stroking a check. Everybody,
all of the all of the groups out there, give back. Financially,
they couldn't survive, they couldn't even make it. They couldn't
even make it without doing that. It's expected, but they
want to do it, and it's expected. Let's cover this.
(42:35):
Let's cover this, this extant Thasian case. Exton Than's killer
was addressed by the judge. One of his killers, you know,
he had, three of them were sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Just the little brother that got killed in Florida.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yes, right, very very talented dude, I mean broke more
heart man. I heard it was special, very talented, mean,
just just exceptional, very wise for his age. And for
him to get gunned down in a robbery because somebody
wanted his money that he worked for. Uh, it was
(43:15):
just it was it was hurtful. But the judge, as
he's sentencing one of the killers, Michael boltwright, he's he's
describing this mundaneans, the mundaneness of what the prison experience
(43:35):
is going to look like for him doing life in prison.
And the judge said, when you took that gun and
you discuided to squeeze that trigger, you effectively ended five lives,
including your own. And he said for the next he said,
(43:57):
he said, you know, every when you leave here talking
about the courtroom, when you leave here, and I'm obviously paraphrasing,
but when you leave here, you're going to be taken
to a prison where you'll spend every day, where you'll
spend every hour, every day, every week, every year in
(44:24):
that cell. And then one day they're going to come
in in the morning and you will have passed on
and they'll come get you, and only then will you
have served your sentence. But he also described the jail cell.
(44:47):
He said, you're going to spend every hour, every day,
every week, every year in that cell. And you're going
to have a and iron what he said, in a
metal bed, a metal bed attached to a wall, and
(45:09):
you also have a metal sink and a metal toilet.
That'll be your furniture for the rest of your life.
And you could you could see dude with all that
postureing he had been doing. I saw him laughing, like
you know, a week or so ago and and trial,
but all of that was gone. I think if it
(45:32):
finally hit him, this is my life. Think about that.
Like we got furniture at home, sometimes we get we
get tired of the furniture within a few months, be
ready to change, move stuff around, at the very least
moving around. I can't stand looking at this like this
any longer. But that's his furniture for the rest of
his life. And in Florida, life is life. Yeah, yeah,
(45:57):
so what And the program that you run is what's
the name of it, smart Enough, smart Enough Black Male Summit,
the Black Male Summit, smart Enough, where you work with
these black males, many of them who are at risk.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
What is it that you tell them? And what is
it that you teach them? What do you show them
to avoid ending up in a situation like Michael Bolt
writing those others who killed.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Ex Yes, sir, We try to make it clear to
them that the most profound the most profound form of
mathematics is not algebra, it's not trigonometry. The most profound
form of mathematics is being able to calculate future consequences
(46:55):
for current decisions. See in that moment, that young man
who killed x extent Tashion was calculating the future consequences
of his actions, and he was asking himself the question
was it worth it? Was it worth it? See? When
(47:17):
the clown is at the circus and the crowd is there,
he feels useful, he feels important, he feels relevant because
he's entertaining the crowd. But when the crowd is gone,
and the clown looks in the mirror he realizes what
(47:38):
he is. A clown. Wow, a crash dummy. In that moment,
standing in front of that judge, he realized what he
really was. You ain't no damn killer, You ain't no
damn goon, You ain't no damn gang member. You ain't
(47:59):
no no damn step up. Use a clown right now.
And the crowd is gone, The people that you were
dancing for gone. You wanted to rob him so that
you could buy a car to impress the crowd, so
you could buy the clothes to impress the crowd. But
(48:21):
the crowd is gone. Now you're left alone, which is
you and the consequences of your actions. So we try
to get through to these young brothers that this ain't
no damn game. We out here playing for keeps, and
(48:42):
a crash dummy is somebody who was willing to do
anything to be accepted as somebody that he was not
born to be. So we have to be about the
business of trying to create options for these young brother
When people see Willie d drive by in that nice
(49:04):
vehicle that I passed by on the way in, When
the youngster see you drive by. Yeah, I want that,
And there's nothing wrong with them wanting that. But what
they have to understand is that that didn't come free.
(49:24):
That came with blood, sweat, tears, and years. And that's
what we're trying to teach them, that the long game
is better than the short game. See. The long game
puts you in a position where you can create generational wealth.
But the short game trying to rob somebody of their
(49:47):
hard earned money. The short game robbing a damn liquor
store and people don't even care cash no more, talk
about a crash dummy. The short game selling poison and
pushing poison into your community, and the same dope fiend
that you're selling the poison to might come back and
blow your damn head off when he don't have the
(50:08):
money to get the dope from you. See, the short
game will cause you to pass on generational hell. Not
generational wealth, but generational hell. Because guess what if you
go to prison and you got to do thirty years,
and let's say you got a child on the way,
(50:29):
that child does every last one of them, every day
of that thirty years with you, that child doing time too,
because they're out here unprotected, not cared for. You're not
in a position where you can provide for your child,
so they doing time too. So these are some of
(50:51):
the things that we try to get over to these
young brothers. You know that your life is way worth
It's worth way more then what it is that you
think you're gonna get trying to take some from somebody,
especially after they have worked hard for what they've gotten.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
When I was on my way up trying to get it,
battling at rying stone, wrangling, Yeah, going to Joe's on
Monday nights, knocking on doors, selling newspaper subscriptions and writing
in between doors and waiting on my supervisor to pick
(51:36):
me up and take me to the next location. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
The entire time, I'm thinking, like I'm seeing I'm seeing
other guys who already got it. Yeah, but they got
it by ill means. I didn't wish bad on them,
but I knew that that was short term, like he
(52:05):
probably gonna end up dead in jail, because basically, I mean,
I wasn't a genius. I just looked at the odds,
like everybody else that I know was going to jail
and getting killed, you know, or getting aimed so that
was just how it was, and I was thinking, I'm
always I've always been a long, long, long term dude,
a long goal, you know, like I'm always looking for
(52:28):
the big play, long play longevity. To me, it ain't
how you start, it's how you end. So the little
having the money for a short period of time has
never interested me because I never want to be the
dude who talk about what I used to do or
what I used to have. It's like I got it now,
(52:50):
you know. And so a lot of guys who had
it then they ain't got it now. And they and
they every time they got out, some of them, most
of them, every time they got out, they went right
back to the same thing, got pot, went right back
the same thing, got pop. And at the end of
the day, it's kind of like a gambler. At the
(53:10):
end of the day, all you got is a lot
of lost time, you down, perhaps you broke even.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
That's the worst thing you can lose.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
At the best, and for most gamblers, the best that
they can hope for is to break even. Most gamblers
lose lose everything. There's only a few that can say
I won. But even the winners, the time that they
commit to gambling, the time that they spend away from
(53:38):
their families in the streets hustling, and the time that
they spent on worrying, stressing on the money and how
to get it and how to get it back and
watching that back and being in that element, because that's
a dark element to being in that type of environment,
you know, And I've been there. That's why I could
(53:59):
speak on it. Yeah, I did it all. Yeah, but
it's definitely it was not worth it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah. And in our last conversation, I don't know if
it was on a podcast or a personal conversation, you
talked about the moment when you decided that you wanted
to live. You know, there are a lot of young
brothers out here who are in such a dark place
that they've not yet decided that they want to live.
(54:28):
So they'll risk their lives trying to get a bag
because worst case scenario, I'll die in the process. Either
I'm gonna die I'm gonna get rich. That young man
who was standing in front of that jadge that you
just told me about, he probably wished that he had.
(54:49):
He would rather be dead than facing what he's facing
right now, because a life sentence is essentially that your
life is over. So if there are any young brothers
who might be listening to us right now, make the
decision to live today. And once you've made the decision
(55:11):
that you want to have a life, then God damn it,
you have to adjust your lifestyle to somebody who's finna
live and not somebody who fixing to die. Stop watching
the clock thinking that you're gonna die tomorrow, because guess what,
you just might live. And if God blesses you to
(55:33):
stay alive, you only be able to look at the
past five, ten, fifteen years and say that you made
decisions that will advantageous to your future, advantageous to your children.
God damn it. You know they got Mother's Day coming up.
I tell people all the time. I tell brothers all
(55:54):
the time, Hey, man, your life is your letter to
your mama. Your life, that's your letter to your mama.
Make sure that it is a letter that she would
be proud reading, whether she's dead or alive. But I
said this at I said this at a conference this weekend.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
It was called mastering Manhood, and we were talking about
we got a master manhood so we could be better
fathers to our children, better husbands to our wives, better
leaders to our community. And I said, yeah, that's true,
that's fine, But I feel like, as black men, we
have to adopt a new mindset. Yeah, we want to
(56:39):
be better husbands, leaders, and fathers, But what about me
want to do better for me? What about me wanting
to be healthier for my damn self? What about me
wanting to be a better person, a better man for me?
We don't even think like that because we have not
(56:59):
been taught as black men, how to even give a
damn about ourselves. Why because at every turn we're judged
on how we take care of other people. We're not
judged on how well we take care of ourselves. But
we are in a health epidemic and a health crisis
as black men because we don't take care of ourselves.
We're dying like ninety going north from heart disease, prostate cancer,
(57:24):
you name it. We dying from it. You can't take
care of nobody dead where y'are. You can if you
leave them, you know the life insurance policy. Yeah, but
if you're not here to teach them what to do
with it, they still gonna end up broke.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
But the person that's moving reckless they're not thinking life
insurance policy anyway, right, These type people, they're not thinking
like that. You know, I was one of those type
of people. You don't think about that. It's going back
to what you're saying. I didn't get it. I didn't
figure it out till I started caring about my life.
I was like, I don't want to die like a
dog in the.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Street, right, And I don't want to live like a dog.
And I don't I don't like a dog.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
I don't want to die like a dog. You know,
I don't even I don't even want to, you know,
put certain things in my body that I know that
it's going to what you call it. You called it,
uh something about diabetes. And you were saying, anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Don't want to generational health.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
None, No, yeah, generational health. But you was you were saying,
leaning toward diabetes or something some words, some phrases use diabetic.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
I got you, uh uh.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
But I don't want to be doing all this stuff, man,
and then end up at the doctor and they tell
me that I got something that could have been prevented
by just my lifestyle. You know, I don't want to
end up in a in a wheelchair paralyzed sitting on
the porch. Can't go nowhere and let somebody take me
because I participated in some activities that I didn't have to,
(59:05):
and I already know this is what comes with it,
and I did it anyway. I don't want to be
that dude. So it's like, once I decided that I
love myself and I don't want nobody, I don't. I
don't want nobody just shooting me, stabbing me. I take
offense to that. I don't want to get stabbed. You know,
I want to get shot. I don't want to have
my body maimed. You know. I love my body, so
(59:26):
I don't want it. I don't want nobody doing anything
in my body. That's why I defended so well. So
once I started doing that, you love yourself first to
your point, and then you can consider loving others. Right,
So that's why I was with that. Man. But you
(59:47):
said a mouthful man, and I appreciate you coming over
and sharing your wisdom.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Man, I appreciate well.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
You knocked it out the park again. How you do that? Man?
If you was a baseball player, man, you probably get
the first billion out of contract. Oh brother, man, you
have a billion on a contract out there, yet.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I have no idea. To God be the glory. To
God be the glory. Man, thanks for having me, brother,
Will and Man. Conversations with you are like watershed moments
for me, whether it's on a podcast or just a
personal conversation. Man, I really really see you and know
you to be one of the realists, not just have
(01:00:26):
not one of the realists to just have ever wrapped,
but one of the realists who to just have ever breathed. So, Man,
thank you for being you. And to anyone who might
be listening to this conversation, know that both Will and
Not understand that we could have just hipped a little
(01:00:47):
bit to the left, to hipped a little bit to
the right, and we wouldn't be in the position that
we're in today. So we don't judge, but we come
to the subject matter until the table with compassion. We're
doing all we can to try to pour as much
into the next generation. And I think that in and
of itself, like what we're doing on this podcast right now,
(01:01:10):
if some younger brothers are listening and they take hold
of what we're saying, we're passing on the form of
generational will for the community right now. And I feel
good about that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And that's important to say, man, because it's easy. It
would be very very easy for you or I to
just go do whatever we want to do and get paid,
you know, live a nice comfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Life and not be and not be concerned.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Exactly with Yeah, we're both sharp individuals, we're intelligent. You know,
we got connections, you know, we got resources. We do
we want to do. But what we're doing right now,
this is this is uh, this is this is perhaps
the most important thing that we could be doing. And
it's very very dangerous. It is you see, That's what
people don't understand, Like when you start putting information out
(01:02:02):
to help black folks, that's dangerous. Yeah, and you're not
going to just get You're not just gonna be targeted
by you know those people. You're gonna be targeted by
your people. Yeah, so you got those exactly, those Ryan
those seas start with a see rhyme.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
With moons, Yeah, exactly exactly. They're those among us who
want to convince us that there is no hope for
the young brother, you know, standing at the bus stop
on Homestead with the pistol, you know, trying to see
what his next move is But I remember when that
was really d I'm telling you, like, I watch you
(01:02:42):
go from that to this and to wherever else you're going,
So I know it could be done. When I look
in the mirror and I see what God has done
for me, I know that it could be done. So
no matter what condition I find one of these little
youngsters in, I see that in them is a greatness
(01:03:04):
that has the potential to surpass yours and mine put together,
The question becomes, how can I get him to see
his own greatness. It's one thing for me to believe
in you, but how can I get you to believe
in yourself? And that's the challenge, brother, But we accept
the challenge and we're up for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And that's why I give grace because we've already taken
that journey. Yeah, and I know, yeah, like the same
thing that they're getting right now, the same backlash year.
They're getting the same criticism, critiquing, you know, the smoke
that they get. I got it. But you know what
(01:03:47):
made me, what made me get through it, what helped
me get through it, was the belief in myself. It
didn't matter what everybody else was saying. Yeah, even my
own family. My own sister said I need to stop
this rap thing, go get a job, and she stopped
saying that when I bought her that the first time
(01:04:10):
I bought it. Suv what I'm saying. So, so I
know I've been there, and I know, and I thank
you for saying that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Mannah, it's real, bro, and I know were running out
of time. But when you see somebody you remember brother
named Hilton West.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
From absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I remember when Hilton West got killed by a police officer.
I seen him, maybe I was with him fifteen minutes
before he got killed. That was my first time seeing
somebody lifeless right after I saw him alive. And it
was a daunting experience for me. Right, So, to see
(01:04:53):
somebody dead right after you saw them alive, that's a shock.
But to see somebody go from abject to poverty and
just watched them over the years go through the vicissitudes
in life, and you know, you see them become you
(01:05:15):
know who they become talking about you? Hey, brother, that
right there gives you faith and belief that it can
happen for anybody. When the brother Jay Prince put out
his book, I went to his book signing in Houston
because I had to go and support him. And you know,
we all from the same neighborhood. This was a couple
(01:05:38):
of years ago. I'm in there, brother, and I'm seeing
so many brothers who went to jail in the nineties,
got thirty years and just coming home. I'm like, whoa
I'm talking about? These are all childhood friends. And a
voice kept, you know, playing in the back of my head.
(01:06:00):
You know this could have been you, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
E Jesus easy, Well, thank god it was you, man,
and thank god we got you. And thank God that
you've been using your body, your time, your influence, your
wisdom to you know, to help all these other youngsters
out here man that might be going through the same thing.
Ladies and gentlemen. The Great, the Honorable Derek Muhammad, the homie,
(01:06:28):
what's up baby?
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I love you, my brother, Peace, love.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You back man. No mo talk, No more talk. This
episode was produced by a King and brought to you
by the Black Effect Podcast Network at I Heart Radio.
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