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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yep, yep. You know Boys is back and redod it
all in your mind. Yeah, now deep throating. This is
going the streets, the real the reil, goading, the distenfranchise,
the truth, escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak
the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
The North South East coaches the ge be mocked for
keeping your head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and once
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to be drops head by then the system is so
corrupt they threw the rock hot their heads and then
blame it on us. Don't get it twisted on colding.
We danced to put no butterment biscuits. It's Winnie d
y'all Ghetto Boys in the House back with another episode
of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
(00:45):
beautiful world. In the studio, Brian Angel Dog, what's up, homie? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Not much, man?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
God is good?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Ain't no man, I need to applaude you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's been a minute, man, Yeah, yeah, it's been a minute. Yes,
sir man, listen, let's let's let's jump right into it. Man.
I've been working on this album The Whole Truth.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know what I was I just put it actually
just no, no, no, no, no, I ain't put.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It on pause.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I changed the name.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh you changed the name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so dope,
that's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I might bring it back man on the next one. Man,
I changed it to, uh, I am Brian Angel. You
know what I'm saying, just for like branding purposes, you
know what I'm saying, because like everybody's so like caught
up in you know, me being a part of the group.
I guess this is kind of a way for me
to like kind of reintroduce myself to everybody into the world,
like as I am Brian Angel instead of like, you
(01:46):
know that guy from Day twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But the whole truth, that's cool, But the whole truth sounds.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Scaredleoss, you know what, man, I saund.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Like, some man, tell me talk about the whole truth.
Let me see what you're talking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
About, you know, like honestly, man, Like I I had.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Some stuff on the project that was yeah, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I had to kind of dial it back man, cause
you know, my my uh.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
My feelings had changed.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
If I say that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, different relationships that I never thought that I
would I would mend or even think about like being
even fixing you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
through prayer obviously you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Uh, you know they were fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh, nothing's perfect, you know what I'm saying, but you
know they're fixed.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So what's up with Willie, Michael, quandtel and and uh Robert,
what's up? Oh? Man?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Nothing, man, you know, we're just uh, you know, we're
doing like uh spot dates here and there, gearing up
to go on tour later this year. Uh. I wouldn't
own it from I an't supposed to talk about that
right now, but yeah, we're getting ready to go on
tour later on this year.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can say that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But yeah, man, you know, everybody's good.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know who are y'all going out on tour with?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And also that type of stuff change anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know sometimes, Yeah, definitely definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. So man, let's go all the way back. Let's
let's let's get to your roots. Agay a town you know,
and what neighborhood Acres home the four Folks to the
folk now Acres Holmes is is a is a progressive neighborhood.
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It it has a lot of people that uh that
are rooted in education, but also the four folk got
a grime inside of it too. And and so how
does a young Brian Angel find his place in Acres homes?
How do you get your footing out there and decide
that this is the route that I'm going to take?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Man, it was like, honestly, like I can remember, like
me trying to be out in the streets.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know what I'm saying. You know, I mean, everybody
got their story. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I did this, I did that, I did.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It, and like you know, at one point I was
in the streets, you know what I'm saying. And like,
but honestly, like everybody would like tell me, bro, you
don't belong out here, man, Like go home, Like go
do some music. You know what I'm saying. Go go
do something positive with yourself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And uh, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like you know, you know, every once in a while,
you know, I'll pass by my little my little pay phone.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know that was my lucky payphone, right, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
In somebody when they already.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what, man, I'm thankful.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Man, I'm thankful, like I never got caught up in
anything like too crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm I'm I'm thankful,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Thankful for like everybody that like told me like you
don't belong out here, bro, like there's something better for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So I'm definitely thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Who do you think it was that greatest influencer who
told you that man kept you on the straightened era?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Man?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean honestly it was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, but I had to say, man, uh my homie,
uh boo. Man, may he rest in peace? Man. Like
he's always telling me like, bro, man, I see you
doing this and doing that, so you traveling the world,
and you know what I'm saying, Like for him to
like say that and like pretty much prophesied, you know
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what I'm saying, Like he told.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Me, Man, you're gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You're gonna do that, You're gonna travel the world, You're
gonna you're gonna do this, You're gonna make crazy money.
You're gonna do this, Like you don't belong out here,
you know, what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's unfortunate
that you know, he you know, he met his you know,
untimely death, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But yeah, in the street in the streets.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So for you know, to you know, even thinking about it,
like right now, it's like it's kind of crazy, you
know what I'm saying. Like this man was telling me
everything that I needed to do, but like, had he
just done that as well?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, because he was talented as well, you know,
but he was.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Really like rooting for me to like get out, you know,
I would, I would Like matter of fact, he paid
a studio time.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
For me, like a couple of times. Wow. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. So and you guys were the
same age.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
He was a little bit older than me. Yeah, he
was a little bit older than me. But you know,
he unfortunately didn't make it. But you know, I'm thankful
for him.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know. Man, isn't it spooky how some people can
see the gift in you, see your talent, see your potential,
and although they may have potential, they're not willing to
watch their own materials, watch their own talent. Materialize their
own gift unfold and how they just become resigned to
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their own circumstances.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know what, I kind of look at it like.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He sorry for me, but maybe he couldn't see it
for himself, you know, And like I wish, I wish
that he had the opportunity to like even like see
like a little bit of what I've been blessed to,
you know, be able to do, Like had he just
stayed around like a little bit longer, like for him
to like actually see it and witness it like.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I would.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I would like to think that he.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Would have like left that that part of life alone.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Was you giving him the same energy? Like, man, you
could do this too. Man, you know you got a
lot of talent.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Man, Yeah, yeah, you know definitely. I mean but you know,
I'm at the time, I'm a little bro.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm not so you think he got dancers? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Right, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
he you know, he was you know, he was big bro.
I looked up to him, you know, and man, like
I said, like it's you know, it's it's sad and
unfortunate that like he didn't get the opportunity that I
felt like he deserved and like I know, like the
world would have like I loved him, Like he was
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like a person that people would have gravitated to.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, he was a good dude.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah. Yeah, So I got your little brother in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Man, Yeah, Brown. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I want to go toward family, Like, you know, what
was that family dynamic like growing up in your household? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Man?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I was.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I was like the I was like the how can
I say?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Man? I was the.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I was kind of like the eyeball.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Everybody kind of like knew what they were doing, and
you know, I didn't. I didn't know if I want
to play football, if I wanted to be you know,
Super Dug or or you know, do music or whatever.
But I think I think the older I got, I
kind of like started like kind of figuring out like
who I wanted to be and what I wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And how old are you at this time? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
About like seventeen eighteen. That's when I kind of like
stepped away from the I don't want to call it ignorance,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, everybody takes
different walks in life to get to.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Who they are. You know what I'm saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I would never knock anybody that was in their lifestyle,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, I know
some people that were in their lifestyle change their lives
and are you know, extremely successful now in helping other people,
you know so. But I think I was the I
was kind of like the weird one in the family where.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Everybody was like, oh, man, you need to quit the dreams.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Man, Like I'm that that's a that's a pipe dream.
It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. It's never
gonna happen. But like I had to, I had to
realize that, man, like, nobody's gonna see my dream the
way that I see my dream. Like God didn't give
my dream to you or to the next person.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
He gave my dream to me.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So obviously not everybody's gonna understand, you know, my dream
or the passion or what I feel for it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You know. And where was you getting that inspiration from?
Was it television, was it a family member, was it
something else?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I think it was like, well, one, me not wanting
to let my mom down, you know, I didn't. I
didn't want to continue that that lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know people people gonna see this and be like
what Brian was what?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But yeah, I didn't want to let my mom down
also too, man Like, I mean obviously, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You you see, you see things, and you see nice things.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You know you want to go out and get it,
you know the best way, you know how. But yet
and still you know you want to you know, be
you know positive, you know you don't want to be
no no negativity, if that makes any sense. I think
just seeing other artists and and and seeing what they
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were doing, I was like, you know what, I can
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Inquire like most singers, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I was in. I was inquired.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I'll never forget I had a choir teacher, mister douglas Man.
Like this dude stepped in as like a dad to me.
I'll never forget a man at Aldean High School, man,
mister Douglas Man. He was like a father to me, man,
Like he really really like took me under his wing
and like he really like kind of kept me out
of trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So yeah, now, how what kind of student were you?
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Man, I was like I was a decent student. Man,
I made all like straight a's man, believe it or not.
I was like I was the quiet. I was a quiet,
geeky student that like nobody knew was doing the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know what I'm saying. I think that's why I
kind of got away with a lot of things as well.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So you made a's on your grades and you made
e's and conduct, yes, oh man, yes, sir. Teacher's dream
not calls any real problems.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's a teacher's dream. You're making a's and you're quiet,
because a lot of times teachers will give a student
a passing grade just if they don't cause them any problems,
just because they don't cause them problems.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Man. I played football too, so that kind of good position.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Quarterback what, yes, sir? For All Day? Yes, sir? You
did you start? Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I went to Westfield for a year and then transferred
to All Day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I played one game of JV balled out.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
When I say balled out, I mean balled out my
sophomore year, ball out my very first game.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I got moved up.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
My second game, I rode the bench for a little bit,
starting quarterback got hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I stepped in and I made it mine.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So you were the Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Tom Brady the.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Varsity, the varsity quarterback, and then junior High. No, not
junior High, but as a junior, you're the varsity.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Quarterback, sophomore junior, as.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Sophomore juniors, three year letter man.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes, sir, people don't understand man. You know, I'm balls. Man,
I'm balls.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that was back at the time when they was
not really protecting the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
None of Yes, sir, I'm not that big, you know
what I'm saying. So I was getting but you know,
I figured out the offense. You know what I'm saying.
You know, honestly, to me, if you play the game
up here, it's a lot easier to play the game
out here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So I was just playing a game up here.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Being a former quarterback, a star quarterback. How do you
feel about Tom Brady? Why does Tom Brady rank in
your all time great.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would have to say Tom would rank at number three.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And who's two and one?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Actually I would say I would say number one is Montana, Okay,
Joe Montana like grat because I mean, yeah, I think
about it. Man, whenever Joe was playing, ain't no way
in hell excuse my language, but ain't nowhere in hell,
like Tom Brady would have been able to play back
when they played, like when Moon played back when back
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when you know what I'm saying, like l Way play
like Tom wouldn't survive.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
He wouldn't survived, I know for I know.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And why are you so shit?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because man, like the rules made the game softer by
the time Tom got in, by the time by the
time Tom played. Think about it, Tom came in and
bledsoe had the little helmet helmet thing, but he was
doing so good.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Uh what what's the coach name?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Billy Chick? Was like, man, keep him in yo. Tom
wouldn't have survived playing in the era with Joe Montana, Yeah,
damn Marino? Uh who else?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
John l Way? Who else was quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And back then Warren Moon man even like and he
don't even get to like the recognition that he deserves.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Williams, Yeah, Doug Williams.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah. But here's the thing, right, And I guess that's
subjective because will if he could have really played in
that era, because we don't really know how tough Tom
Brady really is because he's never had to know that
the hit was coming. For certain, Like, he could sit
back in that pocket and he can make accurate throws
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because he know the HiT's not coming. You see, those
guys knew the hit was coming, you know, the Montanas,
they knew that hit was coming, and they still had
to deliver that ball. They still had to that that
that tackler, and they still won championships. So yeah, you know,
as a thrower, if you just gonna go strictly on
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throwing being accurate, he's one of the best in that regard.
But again, I gotta put an asterisk near his name
because just for the simple fact that he didn't take
the hit. He did not take the hits. Man, I
don't care what none of y'all like that said Tom
Brady stands. I don't care what none of y'all say.
He's just not He's not that dude to me. He
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won the championships, Yeah, but he's not that dude to
me because he did not take the hits. Little Boys
reloaded podcast will be right back after spreet speaking of hits.
You had some yourself, y'all like that speaking of hits.
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Y'all came out, Well, let me, y'all came out and debuted. Uh, well,
you didn't debut, but you eventually reached number one on
with your first album, Sir. And that was what two
thousand and eight, thousand and eight. And see in two
thousand and nine, y'all back though with your SOA with
your sophomore album, Sir, with a top two hit on
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Billboard's Top two hundred. You say, y'all got all the
way to number two. A not easy to do. But
let's back up before the hits came. Where the hits came,
you guys were compete on making the band. Making the
band was a huge success. I mean, it was one
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of those things. I mean, it's it's kind of like
stampeding in your mind, like the Chappelle Show at one time,
you know, like the Chappelle's Show or like, well, not
in a funny way, but I'm just saying as far
as in a historical way, like in the level of
importance and how how popular it was people were watching
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making the band, and if you was on making the band,
you was a household name. And you guys all became
household names by competing on making the band, and when
you got the news it was any point that you
thought that you wasn't gonna make the cut because'll you
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guys were competing to be in the group. Day twenty
six was the name of the group already established? Is
that right? Okay, we'll come back to how you came
up with the name, but let's get it. Let's get
into you know, the actual competition side of it, and
how you felt once you realized that you were going
to be in the in the game.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like honestly, like every week, I was like I didn't
know what was going to happen, Like honestly, like that's
like an uncomfortable feeling. You know, you don't know whether
or not you're going You might be going home today,
you know, just according to how Puff feel. You know,
Puff come in. He might he might be in a moved.
He might send everybody home and bring in ten more people.
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You know, you never know. Uh, I'm thankful. I'm thankful
to Puff, you know what I'm saying. Like you know,
people always ask.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Me, man, what is it like work?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
When him and like, honestly, I'm thankful, you know what
I'm saying. Like he saw something in me to bless
me with the opportunity. So I'm thankful for that. So, no,
I ain't got nothing bad to say about Puff. Spoke
with him, man, it's been about a year and a half. Yeah,
but you know, I mean, you know he you know, I.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Spoke to him on the phone. You spoke to him
in person?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Ah, it was No, it was in person.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think I was. It was an event in La right, Yeah,
but like I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Know, it's it's always love, you know, It's it's nothing
ever like negative or anything like that. Because honestly, really
and truly like our situation wasn't a negative situation, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So yeah, So so let me get this straight. You're
not blaming Puffy for any loss of income anything that
you felt like you would you you deserve but you
didn't get. You're not gonna blame Puffy.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, sir, No, how can you do this?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
How can you do that? I mean, because everybody's blaming
you're not.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean, I mean, let's just be real man, like
like this is you know, it's it's the music business,
you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, let's just
be real, like it's it's ninety five percent business and
the rest is everything else. If whatever you can fit
in a five percent, it's everything else.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But I mean we, I mean we.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Understood that that that first initial contract it was non negotiable.
You know, it was just how the how the show
was tied into the contract. But I will huh yeah, yeah. Basically,
like you either take it or you don't get the
opportunity to go to New York in an audition for
for Diddy. We don't care, but it will be somebody
(21:29):
in that in that place, you know what I'm saying.
So it was like it was kind of almost like
you damn if you do you damn if you don't. Man,
how can I say this? I don't want I don't
want to say the wrong thing. I mean, I'll tell
you truth. But like honestly, like he really looked out
(21:49):
for us when it came when it came time to
renegotiating our deal for our second album, Like he really
he really like looked.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Out for us. Like see, let me tell you something, man,
And I really want a lot of these artists out
here to hear me. New artists, old artists, everything in between.
I think that it's important when people come into the
music industry, that they understand all the music business, that
(22:19):
they understand that it is a business, and they understand
that greater people before them have had shitty contracts. It's
kind of like how it is. I mean, it's just
how it is. And you going in, before you ever
even look at a contract, you already know nine times
out of ten you're probably gonna have a shitty contract
because everybody's had everybody. I mean, Michael had a shitty countract,
(22:42):
Prince had it. I mean, these are the two greatest
guys in music besides myself. You know what I'm saying,
whoever done it?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Man?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You know what I'm saying, many had a shitty contract.
But the way I look at it is that like
if I, yeah, it would be cool if I would
have had a better contract, But at the end of
the day, as a man, I still signed the contract.
And not only did I sign that contract, sometimes people
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sign again and again. Now after all of that is over,
at some point, a lot of times guys end up
not doing the right thing with their money, and now
they ain't got no bread, and now they looking around
and they pointing fingers, you you, you, you you. I'm
(23:33):
not saying you is right. I'm just saying when I
say you, that person that you feel like wronged you,
I'm not saying that that person is right. I'm just
saying that you consciously signed the contract. They did not
put a gun to your head, and you saw a
benefit and signing that contract and receiving whatever funds that
(23:57):
you were receiving at that time. So at that time,
it was all good, and you were so damn happy
and you was just loving everything about it. And then
you made money. You may not have made all the
money that you wanted to make. I remember Muhammad Ali,
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the Muhammad Ali and the George Foreman fight. They were
supposed to make five million dollars or something, and I
think I least said he saw about a million or something,
but he ain't never had a million or something before.
So it's like, you take that million, it's no way possible.
You're supposed to. You get a million dollars and you're
supposed to blow it. Anybody that gets their hands on
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a million dollars should be able to turn that million
dollars into ten million, and ten million into one hundred
and so on and so on and so on. At
the very least you should never be broke again if
you get a million dollars. Fact. And so I'm just
looking at like, where is the accountability for the people
who have made the money for the money that you
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did make? Where is the count of the accountability for
you multiplying your money or at least, at the very
least sustaining yourself financially.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know what I say this.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And you know this is this is something that I
tell like every up and coming artist, like every other
coming artist that I was asking me, oh man, like
any advice you know, you know, any advice like I
always tell them, like for one, like, you know, your
dream is your dream, you know what I'm saying, Like,
so don't let anybody like deter you from your dream.
Don't let nobody tell you it can't happen, because it's
your vision.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Obviously God instilled it in you, and you can see it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
If you can see I'm a firm believing if you
can see it, it's achievable, Like if you can picture
it in your mind, if you can picture like I
want to go out here and make some fucking fucking
boots that fly. If you can envision that, like obviously
you can't. You can't see that, but I can see it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You gotta apply yourself. So with that being said, you
get this deal. You know it's a shitty deal. You know,
you absolutely know it's a shitty deal. But you work hard,
you grind hard, like that way when it comes back
time for that second album, it's time to talk. It's
time to talk, it's time to negotiate, you know what
(26:25):
I'm saying, Like and like, that's what a lot of
artists don't do, because artists get content with this show
money or I get to get on the GRAMD and
I get the stunt and put a hold of money
to my ear and I get to do this and
do that. Man, excuse me my language. Fuck all that,
fuck all that, fuck all that, like that money it
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don't last for ever, It really don't. I mean, especially
like if your team not set up properly, like like
hours was, like.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You will you will.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Be out here hurt. You will be out here hurt.
And if you ain't got your sanity, or if you ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Got like the.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Bounce back, you will be out here sad. You will
be out here lost, and you will be out here.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Hiding from people, not knowing, not knowing what to do next,
if that makes any sense, Like you still riding off
of off of Oh, I had a hit single back
in you know, twenty twelve, But I don't even want
to step out the side at the house right now
because I'm not hot right now.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm not hot.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
No, Like you gotta, Yo, the little leverage that you had,
you got to figure out a way to capitalize off that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Like, Yo, man, I get out here, I hustle.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Mu's go loe to you.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hustle, I hustle. I get out here and I hustle.
Like that's the best thing. I mean, that's the best
advice I can give anybody. Man, Like, Yo, once you want,
you start, just don't stop. Just do not stop at all.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So you guys, five boys from the hood y'all get
up to New York. You sign this big deal with
one of the biggest producers in the game, Puffy. You
signed the bad Boy Records. You get back to back
hit albums, you're touring with the like with the likes
(28:27):
of Genuine and Brian McKnight Destiny's Child. You're getting the money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
No, no, no, no, all that happened before huh all
that happened.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's right. Destiny's child was right when you were signing
him with Matthew and we got to talk about, man,
you gotta talk about that. That's that's right. We gotta
talk about that. Yeah. But but but yeah, but you
you've done you you did that with the other group, right.
And what was the name of.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Mason, Mason, Mason Road, Mason Road yep, man, Man.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, we gotta talk about Mason Road. But let's let's
finish with day twenty six. Yes, sir, you guys win
Best R and B Male Group, Sir at the BT
Awards in two thousand and nine. Three years later, twenty twelve,
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you guys break up? What caused the breakup? I need
the truth, man, I need I need the.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Truth honestly, man. For me, it was.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I just didn't like how our business was being handled,
you know, and I wasn't gonna stick.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Around for it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know, I just wasn't who.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was messing up the business man? Man. We gotta know, man,
you know the story got on.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The team, man, our a team.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I'll say that. I'll say that somebody was in control
of that money, man, somebody was touching the money before everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean, I mean definitely, you know, definitely a person
that was touching the money before any of us were
touching it.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, put that out there. This got a politician, man,
you never was touching the money.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You never know, man, you know I might be running
for you know, president, you know, and and and you
know next year, you know anything.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You know, you gotta gotta be careful what I say.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So your manager burns you. Okay, your manager burns you. Now. Now, Now,
who who was the guy in the group that was
the basically the leader? And I know I don't really
(30:51):
like to say use the word leader, but there's always
somebody who says, who gathers the troops and say, okay,
let's do it like this, what y'all want to do? Okay,
I'll speak on it. Who was the spokesperson for the
group when ship was going down?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It was I'll say it was me because I started
hearing things and at the time, like our our road manager,
you know what I'm saying. Uh, he had came to
me and was like, yo, be like I just want
to tell you, like bro, like.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You, you know you you're a really good dude.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Man, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
I don't feel that it's right what's going on. But
he was like, yo, like you'll be a fool. Well no, no,
I rewinded. He was like on some like YO, like
fuck it, I'm say it, you'll be a fool to
think that YO check and this person's check.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Are the same. And who is this person?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Man? You know what day twenty six, new project coming?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, man, you know what?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Man like honestly, like I'm I'm never one to like
Croyd with spill milk.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Like, I.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Get you, but that's the same thing with me though,
Like I can respectfully respectfully say that I had a
disagreement with rap a Lot Jay Prince with my contract.
I left and things fell apart, and then we came
back together. We fixed. I can say his name. You
know what I'm saying. It ain't it ain't the boogey man.
(32:38):
It's not a ghost. This is a human being as
a person. So I can say this is I had
a fall out with this and we patched it back
up and now you know, we dogs again and it's
been like that for years, you know, So look, man,
in life. You preach your eulogy the where you live
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your life. And if you don't want people telling the
truth about the stuff that you did, don't do it facts.
So I have no problem with people saying if they
feel like really D wronged them in any kind of way,
and they speak on it if I wrong them. What
I have a problem with is the lies facts. If
somebody lie facts, you try to lie on me, then
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we're gonna have a problem. But if you say that's
what it is, that's what it was cool because I
know one thing about me. I ain't gonna fuck over
nobody who didn't deserve to be fucked over. You did
what I'm saying. So if I get them, that's because
they deserved it, and I'll speak on it. I'll stand
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on it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You know what, don't see like I don't. I don't
work like that. Like me, man, I don't want nothing
more then what's meant for me.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm the same way when when I say fuck over
somebody for clarity, I mean do them dirty. When I
say do your dirty, you get what you get when
you do me dirty. When you offend me, I ain't
got nothing for you but some pain. Like you do
me dirty. I ain't got nothing for you but some pain, bro.
So I don't care what you say and how you
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say it or whatever you get anything. Man Like, I
don't care about your mom and your grandmama, your kids.
I was I was everybody. Everybody get to smoke.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's on that I promised. I was on that.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Whoo.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I was on that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I was on that. Man Like.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But man.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Me me deciding to like come back to the because
like honestly, really and truly like me getting back in
the group, that wasn't even like the plan, you know.
At the time, man Like, I just felt like there
was so much coming down on me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And I was like talking to God like so much.
Like I mean, don't get me wrong, like I talk.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
To God like all day every day, but like at
the time, man like, I just felt like I was
so heavy with so much going on in my personal life,
in my career everything. Like I felt like I just
needed to like chill out and talk to God. And
I did that, and I felt like God was telling me, like, yo,
(35:13):
you trust me?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And I was like, yeah, God, I trust you.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And he was like I need you to call. Make
the phone call just to make things right, not not
not like to get back in the group or anything
like that, just to make things right. Say what's on
your mind, because like mind you like, I never actually
spoke to anybody when I exited the group. I exited
(35:41):
with an Instagram post and I blocked everybody. What Yeah, yeah,
so I nobody. I didn't talk to anybody, and so
you know, I, you know, I spoke with them and
I told them exactly the information that I found. I
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told them where it came from, showed them the proof,
you know, obviously denial. You know what I'm saying, And
that's cool. I got off my chest, you know what
I'm saying, and I felt I felt so much lighter.
I felt so much better after having those conversations. After that, man, like,
(36:22):
you know, opportunity came with us possibly getting back in
the studio working on another project, and we end up
doing that. We end up, man, we got an amazing album. Man,
like I can't wait for the world to hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, y'all reconnected in twenty two right last year?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, sign your sign patched it back up? Yeah, Yeah,
the album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I saw a photograph of you guys too. Man, all
y'all still look young and you know fresh. I guess
black black don't crack real talk, man, y'all look like
y'all could be a group that come out for the
first time to date.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Man, if you hit this new project, you would you
would think the look, Yo, the music is surpassing the look.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm not gonna lie like this is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I mean, my solo album is crazy too, but this
this Day twenty six album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Can you do me a favor?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What's up? Bro? So that song that you sung to
get your spot, well it actually wouldn't. It didn't really
give you your spot, but it made everybody look at
you like, oh yeah, he gonna make it. He gonna
be in the group. Are you talking about the road man?
When you pop that out on? Oh yeah yeah. And
let me say this too. Being a Houstonian myself and
(37:40):
I could speak for everybody else. We were so proud
of you. I appreciate you. We would ride for you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
What I appreciate You know what's crazy?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Man?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I always say, man, like, Yo, do you usould not
rock with me?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Man? Cause it's like, Yo, I see this artist that artist,
this artist, that artist.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Like, Yo, I'm writing your back yard, Yo. Like these
promoters are.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Different, man, You're different, That's true. And I will say
that the promoters are different, But the fans are different too.
Many of the fans are different too, because I remember
one time I was at a club called what was
that huge club off of I Hush back in the day, Yo,
(38:27):
hush Man. I was at Hush and Little Wayne is
in concert. Little Wayne is in concert, and it's one
of those nights where they're charging five hundred dollars to park.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think I was there at night.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, the city came out and it's is when Wayne
was on fire fire, So it's like they're charging five
hundred to park man to park your car, anything else
you had to park down the street five hundred to park.
I'm standing outside a basketball player, one of pro basketball players,
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and a few girls and we are in the front
and I'm looking at they got a VIP line, a
super VIP line, and general admission. General admission was one
hundred dollars, the VIP line was two fifty, and the
(39:28):
super VIP was a thousand, and all of the lines
was filled. But for what this place, you know, The
capacity was three thousand. It was filled and they everywhere,
I mean, people came out of the best and I'm
looking and I'm like, look at this shit. I was
(39:51):
hating on the cold this motherfucker. I was like, I
was like, look at this shit. I say, these fuckers
can do this shit for us. And this girl said, ah,
WILLI D we love you. We love to get old boys.
We're gonna do this for y'all. Say stop lying, she say.
She said, we do love y'all. Y'all just got to
(40:12):
give us some new music. I said, why do we
have to keep on putting out new music to get
this type of support? Mains ain't put out a damn
record in two decades and y'all still going to the
to the concerts and filling up the arenas for man,
why do we have to keep putting out new music?
The Rolling Stones ain't put out a damn album in
(40:33):
a hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Years YouTube Rolling Stones?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Why do we have to continue to put our brand,
brand new music for y'all to appreciate us?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Honestly, we don't support each other like everybody else support
each other. And it's sad, you know what I'm saying.
Us as black folks, like we be so quick too.
I mean, you don't get me wrong, Like like I love
my people, like I absolutely love my people, but like
we we're so into these these these fast like cancer
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culture and we're so into Oh. All it takes is
the right person to say the wrong thing about you
and that person's followers. Because you know, DJ Envy and I,
like years ago, you know, back when we first became
a group, he and I had like a you know,
(41:22):
we bumped heads for for for us for a second.
Well what it wasn't just Dj Envy, it was it
was Miss Jay as well. You remember when Envy was
over at uh Hot ninety seven before before he went
to Power. They you know, they were like, you know,
basically like calling us, you know, gay twenty six.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
What Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I was like, yo, like, dude, you call us that
one more time, it's gonna be a problem, you know.
And you know, he mind you.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We're on air, this the number one station in the
entire country.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Let alone the world.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
You know what I'm saying, and you're calling this gay
twenty six. You gotta understand, bro, when you say stuff
like that, you got people that follow and hang on
to every single thing that you say, so you become
an influence to this person. You know what I'm saying, Like,
watch how you handle me, because just like you got kids,
I got kids. I got to take care of as well,
(42:21):
you know what I'm saying, So like be just be
mindful of the words that you that you put out there, especially.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You on the radio. Bro, you on the radio. And
he was like, you know what, I get it, I
get it, my bad.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So why did he say he was saying it in
the first place. Was he saying it just to be funny?
He thought that, you know, he had some type of evidence.
What's what's no?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I think that was a thing to do, you know
what I'm saying. We you know, we some we're an
R and B singing group. Obviously, you know that's the
thing that everybody want to say, Oh he an R
and B singer, he a little whatever whatever. But I
think I think missus Jay had gotten offended because the
group had we had been interviewed by them before, and
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we had kind of went in there with a plan,
like a strategy, you know what I'm saying, because we
knew like Miss Jay was gonna go in because she
goes she used to go in on everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So we were like, Yo, we're just gonna go in there.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
We're gonna butter up, We're gonna be sweet, you know
what I'm saying, and hopefully you know what I'm saying,
that'll you know, get us past the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And you know, it did that first time, but it
was weird.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
They made a request to interview us again like three
weeks later, and Yo, they brought in a huge like no, lie,
sandwich had to be about ten feet for Mike, for
Big Mike. They brought in like a twelve foot long
sandwich and they were going even harder. We're calling us
(43:56):
gay twenty six, Gay twenty six, And I was just like.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yo, they said this, why yacht there wasn't saying that.
Why y'all were there? Yeah, they called y'all y'all were there?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, that's why we almost Yeah yeah, well like yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It was, it was, it was I mean, you know
that was yo. That was literally like almost sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
That was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, yeah, man saying.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah No, I mean, like you know what though, man, honestly,
like I like listen to them now and like I
even watch it on v h one and and and
uh BT, like yo, like the growth in him and
Charlemagne is like it's crazy, it's crazy, crazy crazy because
like yo, I remember like when we we did Wendy Williams,
(44:51):
and Wendy Williams was going in on a group as well,
but she was like, well, you know what, I'm getting
a little HRR you do from everybody but Brian and
you know all the main was cool then, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
But yeah, we had a problem.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well they had a problem with Wendy Williams as well,
so you know, obviously you know that's home team. So
if they got a problem, I got a problem too,
you know. So I mean that's just kind of how
it went.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But like the growth and both those guys are like
night and day, like you can tell like they were
young back then and like to like see them now,
it's like wow, the growth is like uncanny.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Reloaded podcasts will be right back after the poet who
reached out to who to put the group back together, well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I reached out to them just to talk, just to
get it off my chest, you know what I'm saying
that I was like, this is not for me to
get back into group or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
This is just, you know, I need to get this
off my off, my heart, off my soul, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
And my my play cousin a mirror who I hadn't
talked to in a while either. He called wind of it,
and he's a super successful songwriter. He's written for like
August Alsina, TLC, a couple other people. He reached out
to Sean McMillan. Sean McMillan like writes all of August
(46:24):
Alcina's music, Like every single song you've heard from August
Sean has written.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
He reached out to.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Sean was like, Yo, I'm gonna reach out to Brian
and like try to see if he can get back,
well if he'd be willing to get back in a group,
and if so, like I want you to like put
together a project for him. So we all got on
the phone, we talked, we chopped it up. I was like,
you know, I you know, I'll see what it's about,
you know. And obviously you know, they started sending music
(46:56):
and everything else like that, and I'm like, okay, you know,
some some good music, you know, make you come back,
you know. So yeah, man, we went out to Atlanta
for a whole stuff, like a month and a half
and we recorded the album. Man, it's crazy, like topped
the bottom like crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So yeah, that's that's pretty much how we got back together.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
You know, it wasn't It wasn't nothing like you know,
like you would have wanted it to be, like you know,
it wasn't like you know, party. You know, it was
just like, yo, you know what, like I got this
opportunity and if y'all want to do it, it's here, and
you know, talking amongst the group, man, we all decided
we were going to do it.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Let me tell you how I remember Mason road breaking up.
This is just from the whispers that I heard. I
heard that everything was good until you guys got the
contract and then some of the guys you know, had
(48:04):
a problem with with the contract.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Uh, everything was cool until some of us start realizing,
like yo, like this cat and not for to do
nothing with us, We're just gonna be sitting here wasting
our lives away.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That was made y'all think that because y'all there.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Was never any contracts that came yeah with genuine jagged is.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
No, No, these were all so these were all promotional dates.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, for a whole entire tour, like we were just
out there, no real like crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'm gonna tell you the truth, bro, I ain't really
mad at y'all didn't get paid about it. I mean,
I know, I know I'm not in the skin and
I didn't have to go through the experience. But I'm
just saying I'm not mad about a group who ain't
sold no records not getting paid on tour, you know
what I'm saying. So so you know we went on
tour and after the tour, how long are you sitting
(49:07):
on the shelf before you guys say yo, no, this
is not working. About a year, you know, and there's
no activity whatsoever. Man.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We were rehearse about sixteen hours a day. And not
only did we rehearse there, like we recorded there at
the studio. I lived in the studio at the time,
like I ain't no where to go, like I was
living there, so like my my life, my everything was
at Music World. Yes, my life was at that studio,
like all my clothes everything, and I remember, like.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I ain't up getting a job.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
And for clarification, when you say you lived at the studio,
did you was that your like address.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, I slept in in the back room of the studio. Okay,
you remember how music World was, right, yeah, all right,
you go all the way back and there was a
lounge right here in the very very bad and then
there was a door in that lounge where she where
she kept all the like Destiny's childs like.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Touring stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I slept in the back room. Miss Tina walked in
on me one time. I was sleep I had to
blanket over my head and she's like, oh, baby, I'm sorry.
I was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Man,
Miss Tina man man one of the nicest man you know,
man like man, Miss Tina one of the nicest souls
on this earth.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
She was like, baby, you've been living back here. I
was like, yes, ma'am. She was like, I gotta go
talk to Matthew.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
And man, I remember I remember going to ask Matthew.
At the time I had I had like this little
station wagon, you know what I'm saying. And I remember
my water pump was broke on it, so I couldn't
like go to work nothing. And I went and asked
Matthew for seventy eight dollars. That was gonna pay for
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the water pump and the installation on it. Dude told
me I ain't got it, kind of kind of like
rub me the wrong way. I was like, kind of
like you ain't got it on you, well, you don't
have it at all. He was like, I don't have
it at all. And I remember kind of like telling
(51:27):
Miss Tina about it. Miss Tina like literally reaching her
wallet and like bless me with one hundred dollars so
I can get my car fixed.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
See see that ain't the Matthew. I know. So when
that when that went down, you.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Know, because Matthew ain't got nothing cast up said about me.
Go ahead, Well from I understanding.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
We're gonna move on there. No no, no, no, no no no.
We can talk about it now, you.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Know you want to No, let's talk about this. No,
let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
My god, man, that's my dude. Man, Like like you know,
just like was the something before that happened, Like was
there a person of vendetta? I mean, did you do something.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
To No, sir, none at all.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I was always respectful, you know what I'm saying, like
still to this day, like you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm still respectful, but like from my understanding, like
you know, you know, you know people like run into
him every once in a while that like know me
that he knows that knows me, and he always has like.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Oh yeah, Brian, uh, Brian got me a nice little check.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Basically like saying that, like, yo, like Puff cut him
a check so that I could be in the group
talking about he still had me signed the paperwork.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I presented Puff with the released forms and everything.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yo, I got. I got stories for days, Bro, I
got stories for days. I can tell you a whole
lot of stuff, Bro, a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yet, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Might want to edit that out right.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I'm just saying, Man, I hate it when brothers that
I that I cut for, you know, bump hiss.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Man, I'm bump his man.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I don't bump here with nobody, Bro. Like if anybody
got like.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
You bumped forever you said it.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, But like I'm the type of person I can
talk to you as a man and you know, fish
through the you know, the the bullshit and then you know,
get down to the whatever and then leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
You know what I'm saying. We can either we neither
squash it or just leave it alone.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Have you ever reached out the math to just try
to get an understanding like you did with the group,
because y'all got a lot of history, no matter what,
y'all got a lot of history. And I'm sure you
don't hate Matthew. I don't hate you. So I mean,
if y'all ever like, like, have you ever tried to
reach out? I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
I honestly, I have no problem with Matthew at all. Hell,
I mean, he got a he got a nice check.
He go around telling people like he even told my
cousin a mirror like, you know, a mirror was trying
to write something for a group that he had at
the time.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Uh they were called Blush.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
And he even told the mirror like, yeah, you know,
Brian got me a nice check, like kind of like bragging,
like really, brouh, we're doing this? How do you we're
doing this?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Okay? Do you still talk to the guys in the group.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
For Mason Roll, Oh yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Man. You know. One of them was my little brother,
so Vaughn. I still talk to him all the time.
But talked to Steve all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
So I never knew you had a brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, sir.
Uh And where's von Vaughn Man?
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Vaughn is uh if he ain't out in La with
jazz like he he he.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
And and and somewhere in the country of Texas.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
With jazz frinds.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah. You know they call him the gumbo guy.
That the gumbo man, you know. Man, Like you know,
Vaughn Vaughan has his own his own food truck now,
so like he's super successful, stay in the country, built
the house out there, and you know he just cooking
and farming. That's all he's doing now. I mean he's
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still putting on music as well through y EMG.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
But yeah, how many kids? You got five? And what's
that like? You know, like, what's what's fatherhood like for you?
What's a typical date in the life of you, Brian Angel?
Daddy you wake up in the morning, Wake up in
the morning. Man, you got five kids out there? Man,
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five kids? You wake up? Damn I'm daddy, Debt.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, man, you know what my two youngest ones live
with me.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Man a daily man, it would be I wake up
in the morning, cook breakfast, get them ready for school,
drop them off, try my girl off at work, come home,
get the house situated or whatever. That's if I'm if
I'm not working. You know what I'm saying, you know,
get the house situated.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Make sure their lunch is cooked so when they get
home they you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm pretty domesticated.
You know what I'm saying, I'm pretty domesticated.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Man. There you up for that?
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (56:23):
The Manisphere. Manisphere that's a group of well not just
a group, but people that it's we're actually a group
of people who are bloggers, hosts, writers who basically ah
(56:52):
talk about the significance of the man and how important
the role is for a man and how you know
women should be uh submissive. They hear this, They're coming
for you like that, dude, domestic d You see that's
what's wrong.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
No, man Like I feel like I feel like I
feel like you be cooking?
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Man? What you cook? Man?
Speaker 2 (57:17):
I cook everything?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Man Like I can cook, cook though I don't like
I don't just like I don't just cook.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
You cook For breakfast?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
This morning, I.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Made uh some turkey sausage, Uh, some scrambled eggs hash
browns and.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Some rifles. Yeah, so you feel like what when the
manisphere come at you and say, man, what you doing cooking?
That's your woman job.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
I mean, y y'ah, nigga's living under in the stone age,
you can't like really like you know, I mean, this
is this is twenty twenty three. You know what I'm saying,
Like you got that mindset like brother, you need to pray.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
But you know, it's a lot of things happening in
twenty twenty three that has got the world off its
access and then really got our community in a jam.
So I don't know if you can just really just
attribute to change of gender roles to just oh, this
is twenty twenty three. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're
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evolving in the right direction just because it's twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I mean, I mean, you're right, but I'll say this,
there's nothing wrong with.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Like I feel like I feel like a relationship, like
especially in like a family dynamics, like it should be
all hands in you know, all hands on deck. You
know what I'm saying, Like whatever, you know what I'm saying, like,
do what you got to do to make sure that
your household runs properly, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I don't think that when a person has that mindset,
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they don't really think like that, like because like I mean, yeah,
I mean I can go out, hunt, bring home to
meet whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
But like, are you are you really like happy with
just sitting back and just chilling while your wife is
doing this and doing that?
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Like me, I have no problem with helping out, you
know what I'm saying, Like I feel like when you're
a relationship, like that's supposed to be your helpmate.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
You know what I'm saying. That's like meaning like you
help each other.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Like anything else, I don't understand. I'm sorry, I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
Your wife? So does she? I got to ask these questions.
What do is something pop up in my head? Man?
I just gotta see it, man, because I know a
lot of people probably thinking the same thing. Uh So,
(01:00:15):
but does your wife, like because she does work and
when you're not working, you're at home, she's out working
and you're at home taking care of the house, does
she come in and? Uh? Does she have the final say?
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Hell, like, we don't. We don't operate like that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Like do you have a fan to say something?
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I wouldn't somebody got to find yes, I do, but
I don't try to run my household like that, Like
like I'm like, what do you how do you feel?
How does this make you feel? You know what I'm
saying like that way, Like I do it that way
so that everybody's happy. You know what I'm saying and
(01:01:00):
like so to speak, it's not all about me. It's
not it's not all about like my wishes. It's not
all about like what makes me happy? Like does this
make you comfortable? Does this make you feel the type
of way? Like I like that type of person. I
am like I need to know, like I need to
know what's on your mind, what's on your heart, and
if it doesn't make you feel totally one like comfortable
(01:01:23):
or confident, Okay, let's try to find like another alternative,
or let's let's try to figure out to where both
you and I are happy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
What do you think about the people out there who
say that you know, alpha male, bea male? What do
I mean? What do you think about those titles?
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I don't want to I don't want to dispect nobody man,
But I think it's I think it's ignorant. I think
it's a Stone Age way of thinking. You know what
I'm saying, Like I I don't believe in the whole
alpha male or the beta male. Like I'm I am
the alpha male in my home. You know what I'm saying,
Like I'm I am. I am a male, I'm an
(01:02:10):
alpha male when I step out my house. You know
what I'm saying, Like it's I mean, you're gonna see it,
You're gonna feel it. I like when I walk past you,
you're gonna ain't no, ain't no second guessing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
But I don't feel like I have to go around
like talking about it or yeah, man, you know things
ain't running my way, then there's no way at all.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Like that's that's no there's no way to like be.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
There's no way to be. If you ask me, I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Think you are right, man, because at the end of
the day, I do believe that the best way for
someone to operate within a relationship, it's to do what
makes them sleep well. You know, like if it makes
you sleep well, to acquiesque to your woman's man, then
that's what you do. No, bro, I'm messing with you.
(01:03:13):
I'm messing with you, you know, really, really really, but
all in all and all sincerity, I really think that,
I really think that when people find something that works
for them, that's all that really matters. When you find
something that works for you, that's what matters, because you know,
like people don't. I can talk all the stuff that
(01:03:36):
I want to, but I don't have to wake up
and smell this woman's morning breath. I don't have to
worry about how she's budgeting the money. I don't have to,
you know, worry about how she's teaching and training and
coaching my kids and counseling my kids. I don't have
to worry about how she represents herself when she walks
(01:03:57):
out of the door, and how she repens it's me.
I don't have to worry about any of those things.
So I don't put that much stock into how people
run their relationships, because as long as it works for them,
that's really all that matters. I know people who have
these adequated ideas about how relationships should go, and some
(01:04:23):
have these new wave ideas about how relationships could go
should go, and those people are unhappy, right, So sometimes
you know it's the guy. You got the guy he's
you know, he's this he's afrobe because you got this
guy he's beta. You got this woman, she's submissive. You
(01:04:45):
got this woman she's aggressive. But at the end of
the day, it balls down to what works for you
and yours.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
They don't make and you know what's crazy, man, They
don't make women out they used to either.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
They don't man like women like like I mean, I'll
say this.
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Women used to.
Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Be so soft and so like. You know, what's the
word I'm looking for? Man Like women used to be
like loving women are like savages now you know what
I'm saying. I think that's why I hold on the
mind soul.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I think you are treading on thin ice, so shut up.
Not not shut up, but I think it needs to
be more directed towards a specific type of woman, because
all women are not made like that. Cause I hear
but I just I just despise generalizations, just for the
simple fact that sometimes you hear women saying the same
(01:05:48):
thing about men. Oh these men today, Hell, I'm man,
what are you talking about me too? Be talking that shiit?
Men today? I just don't understand these these guys today. Man,
they're just these ad they's just losers and they don't
want anything. They're lazy. They want they want to be kept.
And and I'm like, I mean, hey, hey, I'm over here.
(01:06:08):
I'm a man, Like you're not. I know you're not
talking about me. And I understand what she mean. I
know she's not talking about me. But when she verbalizes,
she she includes me. When she she speaks on these things.
She's talking about men, she's talking about me. So I
think it's important for us to be specific, specific about
you know, the criticism that that we levy towards a
(01:06:32):
particular I say this, right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I say this, ladies, It's okay to be soft. It's
okay to be.
Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
The woman that you envision yourself as a child, if
that makes any sense, Like you know, like being like
you know, having the having the family, and you know
women have that when they're you know, when when they're
growing up, you know what I'm saying. And fellas, it's
okay to like love one woman, it's okay to be
with just one woman, you know what I'm saying. Like,
(01:07:06):
I think that's where we got it messed up at.
Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I think that I think that is enough blame to
go around. It's not one group that's out of pocket.
It's not one gender that's out of pocket. It takes
two to tango facts, and so there's enough blame to
go around. But look, man, we can complain all day,
(01:07:31):
but after we complain, you gotta do something about it. Facts.
You know, that's what grown folks do. Facts. No kids
are just complaining, complain, complain, playing, but they're not solution oriented.
Grown folks are solution oriented. So we can complain, but
after we complain, we do something about it. Because I
can tell you that I do know a number of
women who were taught to be aggressive, to be self
(01:07:58):
sufficient and independent because they saw their mothers and grandmothers
being abandoned for the other woman or for the streets.
They saw, they saw men die, their grandfathers die without
a will or without an insurance policy, and they don't
(01:08:22):
want to be in that same position. So I cannot
fault them for that. But what I do is I
can hold all of us accountable for falling for the
banana in the tailpipe where we're not working as a
cohesive unit, because at the end of the day, we
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can lose a lot of battles, but we cannot lose
the gender war. We have fought and worn a lot
of wars, but we cannot win a gender war. We
can't survive.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
None of us can survive. A woman can't survive without
a man. We can't survive without each other. No, it's impossible.
Anybody that's preaching that is an uncivilized mutt. We can't
survive without each other. We we We were made for
(01:09:25):
each other. We were made for each other. Men were
made for women, Women were made for men. I don't
give a damn, I said I. I said it many
and I'm here to represent it. I cannot I cannot
be canceled. I said it. I ment them here to
represent it. And I was saying on stage at and
(01:09:49):
and and at at NRG Stadium in front of seventy
thousand people. I get on TV and broadcast it internationally.
Men were made for women, Women were made for men.
And that's the way it is. Ain't nothing gonna change that.
You can go out there and act like however you
want to act, and you can do whatever you want
(01:10:09):
to do, but that's what it is. And until somebody
showed me different. That's what I'm standing on.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You know where you you're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Like, like, especially with everything that's going on right now
with you know, how do you feel about the do
you feel that it's an agenda being pushed off right now?
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Absolutely is an agenda. Okay, that absolutely is an agenda.
And even the people that's even the people that benefits
from the agenda know what the truth is, but they
can't say it out loud. It's kind of like it's
kind of like, you know, white folks knowing that white
(01:10:57):
privilege is is real, but they can't say it out
loud because then they have to do something about it. Right. Yeah,
so we know, not absolutely right, we know what it is,
you know, we know, we know what it is. And man,
you know, hey, uh you know, hopefully you know we'll
(01:11:20):
be all right. Hopefully our babies would be all right,
you know, man, you know, hopefully we can leave this
world in a better place than what we found it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Man, that's what I pray about.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
I pray so much like for my children, man, like
especially like the way things are like, Man, I pray
I pray that like I can. I talked to God
all the time, Like I want to stay here as
long as possible just to make sure that my children
are on their way, you know what I'm saying, like
and and headed in the right direction. This world is
so like just even when when from from when I
(01:11:53):
was growing up, man, Like this world is so different, man,
Like so different.
Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Like you know, I don't I don't smoking like that.
I eat edibles, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So what I do is, man, I'll eat edible and
I'll watch like old school TV TV. Like that's why
I'm like, I'm a huge fan of two B because
they got all the old school Yeah, they got all the.
Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Old school shows. Improving man.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah you know what man, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Honestly got a financial injection somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I don't know, man, But like too B is Too
Be is dope.
Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
But like I watch like old school old school shows
like like Different Strokes and that's my mama and uh shoot,
what's happening? Yeah, good time? Man, Like like that's that's
that's the TV that I watched as a kid with
my grandparents. You know what I'm saying, Like to me
because like that's when you know what I'm saying like
(01:12:51):
life was life. You know what I'm saying Like this
right here, I mean, I just feel like now we
live in u uh a.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Day and age where everything is a race. Everything is
a race. Everything is a race.
Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
But like I get high, I eat my otibles, and
I watch my old school TV because it just reminds
me of times.
Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Where life was simpler.
Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Thank you you took the words rapping my mouth.
Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Life was a whole lot simpler, Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Angel,
thank you man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
For stopping by man, Thank you for having me by
the thank you, thankin No More Talk.
Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
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beautiful world. In the studio, Brian Angel Dog, what's up, homie? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Not much, man?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
God is good?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Ain't no man, I need to applaude you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's been a minute, man, Yeah, yeah, it's been a minute. Yes,
sir man, listen, let's let's let's jump right into it. Man.
I've been working on this album The Whole Truth.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know what I was I just put it actually
just no, no, no, no, no, I ain't put.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It on pause.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I changed the name.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh you changed the name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so dope,
that's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I might bring it back man on the next one. Man,
I changed it to, uh, I am Brian Angel. You
know what I'm saying, just for like branding purposes, you
know what I'm saying, because like everybody's so like caught
up in you know, me being a part of the group.
I guess this is kind of a way for me
to like kind of reintroduce myself to everybody into the world,
like as I am Brian Angel instead of like, you
(01:46):
know that guy from Day twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But the whole truth, that's cool, But the whole truth sounds.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Scaredleoss, you know what, man, I saund.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Like, some man, tell me talk about the whole truth.
Let me see what you're talking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
About, you know, like honestly, man, Like I I had.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Some stuff on the project that was yeah, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I had to kind of dial it back man, cause
you know, my my uh.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
My feelings had changed.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
If I say that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, different relationships that I never thought that I
would I would mend or even think about like being
even fixing you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
through prayer obviously you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Uh, you know they were fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh, nothing's perfect, you know what I'm saying, but you
know they're fixed.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So what's up with Willie, Michael, quandtel and and uh Robert,
what's up? Oh? Man?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Nothing, man, you know, we're just uh, you know, we're
doing like uh spot dates here and there, gearing up
to go on tour later this year. Uh. I wouldn't
own it from I an't supposed to talk about that
right now, but yeah, we're getting ready to go on
tour later on this year.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can say that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But yeah, man, you know, everybody's good.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know who are y'all going out on tour with?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And also that type of stuff change anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know sometimes, Yeah, definitely definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. So man, let's go all the way back. Let's
let's let's get to your roots. Agay a town you know,
and what neighborhood Acres home the four Folks to the
folk now Acres Holmes is is a is a progressive neighborhood.
(03:41):
It it has a lot of people that uh that
are rooted in education, but also the four folk got
a grime inside of it too. And and so how
does a young Brian Angel find his place in Acres homes?
How do you get your footing out there and decide
that this is the route that I'm going to take?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Man, it was like, honestly, like I can remember, like
me trying to be out in the streets.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know what I'm saying. You know, I mean, everybody
got their story. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I did this, I did that, I did.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It, and like you know, at one point I was
in the streets, you know what I'm saying. And like,
but honestly, like everybody would like tell me, bro, you
don't belong out here, man, Like go home, Like go
do some music. You know what I'm saying. Go go
do something positive with yourself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And uh, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like you know, you know, every once in a while,
you know, I'll pass by my little my little pay phone.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know that was my lucky payphone, right, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
In somebody when they already.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what, man, I'm thankful.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Man, I'm thankful, like I never got caught up in
anything like too crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm I'm I'm thankful,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Thankful for like everybody that like told me like you
don't belong out here, bro, like there's something better for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So I'm definitely thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Who do you think it was that greatest influencer who
told you that man kept you on the straightened era?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Man?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean honestly it was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, but I had to say, man, uh my homie,
uh boo. Man, may he rest in peace? Man. Like
he's always telling me like, bro, man, I see you
doing this and doing that, so you traveling the world,
and you know what I'm saying, Like for him to
like say that and like pretty much prophesied, you know
(05:42):
what I'm saying, Like he told.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Me, Man, you're gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You're gonna do that, You're gonna travel the world, You're
gonna you're gonna do this, You're gonna make crazy money.
You're gonna do this, Like you don't belong out here,
you know, what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's unfortunate
that you know, he you know, he met his you know,
untimely death, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But yeah, in the street in the streets.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So for you know, to you know, even thinking about it,
like right now, it's like it's kind of crazy, you
know what I'm saying. Like this man was telling me
everything that I needed to do, but like, had he
just done that as well?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, because he was talented as well, you know,
but he was.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Really like rooting for me to like get out, you know,
I would, I would Like matter of fact, he paid
a studio time.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
For me, like a couple of times. Wow. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. So and you guys were the
same age.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
He was a little bit older than me. Yeah, he
was a little bit older than me. But you know,
he unfortunately didn't make it. But you know, I'm thankful
for him.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know. Man, isn't it spooky how some people can
see the gift in you, see your talent, see your potential,
and although they may have potential, they're not willing to
watch their own materials, watch their own talent. Materialize their
own gift unfold and how they just become resigned to
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their own circumstances.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know what, I kind of look at it like.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He sorry for me, but maybe he couldn't see it
for himself, you know, And like I wish, I wish
that he had the opportunity to like even like see
like a little bit of what I've been blessed to,
you know, be able to do, Like had he just
stayed around like a little bit longer, like for him
to like actually see it and witness it like.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I would.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I would like to think that he.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Would have like left that that part of life alone.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Was you giving him the same energy? Like, man, you
could do this too. Man, you know you got a
lot of talent.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Man, Yeah, yeah, you know definitely. I mean but you know,
I'm at the time, I'm a little bro.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm not so you think he got dancers? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Right, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
he you know, he was you know, he was big bro.
I looked up to him, you know, and man, like
I said, like it's you know, it's it's sad and
unfortunate that like he didn't get the opportunity that I
felt like he deserved and like I know, like the
world would have like I loved him, Like he was
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like a person that people would have gravitated to.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, he was a good dude.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah. Yeah, So I got your little brother in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Man, Yeah, Brown. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I want to go toward family, Like, you know, what
was that family dynamic like growing up in your household? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Man?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I was.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I was like the I was like the how can
I say?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Man? I was the.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I was kind of like the eyeball.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Everybody kind of like knew what they were doing, and
you know, I didn't. I didn't know if I want
to play football, if I wanted to be you know,
Super Dug or or you know, do music or whatever.
But I think I think the older I got, I
kind of like started like kind of figuring out like
who I wanted to be and what I wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And how old are you at this time? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
About like seventeen eighteen. That's when I kind of like
stepped away from the I don't want to call it ignorance,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, everybody takes
different walks in life to get to.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Who they are. You know what I'm saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I would never knock anybody that was in their lifestyle,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, I know
some people that were in their lifestyle change their lives
and are you know, extremely successful now in helping other people,
you know so. But I think I was the I
was kind of like the weird one in the family where.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Everybody was like, oh, man, you need to quit the dreams.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Man, Like I'm that that's a that's a pipe dream.
It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. It's never
gonna happen. But like I had to, I had to
realize that, man, like, nobody's gonna see my dream the
way that I see my dream. Like God didn't give
my dream to you or to the next person.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
He gave my dream to me.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So obviously not everybody's gonna understand, you know, my dream
or the passion or what I feel for it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You know. And where was you getting that inspiration from?
Was it television, was it a family member, was it
something else?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I think it was like, well, one, me not wanting
to let my mom down, you know, I didn't. I
didn't want to continue that that lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know people people gonna see this and be like
what Brian was what?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But yeah, I didn't want to let my mom down
also too, man Like, I mean obviously, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You you see, you see things, and you see nice things.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You know you want to go out and get it,
you know the best way, you know how. But yet
and still you know you want to you know, be
you know positive, you know you don't want to be
no no negativity, if that makes any sense. I think
just seeing other artists and and and seeing what they
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were doing, I was like, you know what, I can
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Inquire like most singers, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I was in. I was inquired.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I'll never forget I had a choir teacher, mister douglas Man.
Like this dude stepped in as like a dad to me.
I'll never forget a man at Aldean High School, man,
mister Douglas Man. He was like a father to me, man,
Like he really really like took me under his wing
and like he really like kind of kept me out
of trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So yeah, now, how what kind of student were you?
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Man, I was like I was a decent student. Man,
I made all like straight a's man, believe it or not.
I was like I was the quiet. I was a quiet,
geeky student that like nobody knew was doing the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know what I'm saying. I think that's why I
kind of got away with a lot of things as well.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So you made a's on your grades and you made
e's and conduct, yes, oh man, yes, sir. Teacher's dream
not calls any real problems.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's a teacher's dream. You're making a's and you're quiet,
because a lot of times teachers will give a student
a passing grade just if they don't cause them any problems,
just because they don't cause them problems.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Man. I played football too, so that kind of good position.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Quarterback what, yes, sir? For All Day? Yes, sir? You
did you start? Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I went to Westfield for a year and then transferred
to All Day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I played one game of JV balled out.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
When I say balled out, I mean balled out my
sophomore year, ball out my very first game.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I got moved up.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
My second game, I rode the bench for a little bit,
starting quarterback got hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I stepped in and I made it mine.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So you were the Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Tom Brady the.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Varsity, the varsity quarterback, and then junior High. No, not
junior High, but as a junior, you're the varsity.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Quarterback, sophomore junior, as.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Sophomore juniors, three year letter man.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes, sir, people don't understand man. You know, I'm balls. Man,
I'm balls.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that was back at the time when they was
not really protecting the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
None of Yes, sir, I'm not that big, you know
what I'm saying. So I was getting but you know,
I figured out the offense. You know what I'm saying.
You know, honestly, to me, if you play the game
up here, it's a lot easier to play the game
out here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So I was just playing a game up here.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Being a former quarterback, a star quarterback. How do you
feel about Tom Brady? Why does Tom Brady rank in
your all time great.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would have to say Tom would rank at number three.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And who's two and one?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Actually I would say I would say number one is Montana, Okay,
Joe Montana like grat because I mean, yeah, I think
about it. Man, whenever Joe was playing, ain't no way
in hell excuse my language, but ain't nowhere in hell,
like Tom Brady would have been able to play back
when they played, like when Moon played back when back
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when you know what I'm saying, like l Way play
like Tom wouldn't survive.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
He wouldn't survived, I know for I know.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And why are you so shit?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because man, like the rules made the game softer by
the time Tom got in, by the time by the
time Tom played. Think about it, Tom came in and
bledsoe had the little helmet helmet thing, but he was
doing so good.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Uh what what's the coach name?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Billy Chick? Was like, man, keep him in yo. Tom
wouldn't have survived playing in the era with Joe Montana, Yeah,
damn Marino? Uh who else?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
John l Way? Who else was quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And back then Warren Moon man even like and he
don't even get to like the recognition that he deserves.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Williams, Yeah, Doug Williams.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah. But here's the thing, right, And I guess that's
subjective because will if he could have really played in
that era, because we don't really know how tough Tom
Brady really is because he's never had to know that
the hit was coming. For certain, Like, he could sit
back in that pocket and he can make accurate throws
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because he know the HiT's not coming. You see, those
guys knew the hit was coming, you know, the Montanas,
they knew that hit was coming, and they still had
to deliver that ball. They still had to that that
that tackler, and they still won championships. So yeah, you know,
as a thrower, if you just gonna go strictly on
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throwing being accurate, he's one of the best in that regard.
But again, I gotta put an asterisk near his name
because just for the simple fact that he didn't take
the hit. He did not take the hits. Man, I
don't care what none of y'all like that said Tom
Brady stands. I don't care what none of y'all say.
He's just not He's not that dude to me. He
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won the championships, Yeah, but he's not that dude to
me because he did not take the hits. Little Boys
reloaded podcast will be right back after spreet speaking of hits.
You had some yourself, y'all like that speaking of hits.
(17:25):
Y'all came out, Well, let me, y'all came out and debuted. Uh, well,
you didn't debut, but you eventually reached number one on
with your first album, Sir. And that was what two
thousand and eight, thousand and eight. And see in two
thousand and nine, y'all back though with your SOA with
your sophomore album, Sir, with a top two hit on
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Billboard's Top two hundred. You say, y'all got all the
way to number two. A not easy to do. But
let's back up before the hits came. Where the hits came,
you guys were compete on making the band. Making the
band was a huge success. I mean, it was one
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of those things. I mean, it's it's kind of like
stampeding in your mind, like the Chappelle Show at one time,
you know, like the Chappelle's Show or like, well, not
in a funny way, but I'm just saying as far
as in a historical way, like in the level of
importance and how how popular it was people were watching
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making the band, and if you was on making the band,
you was a household name. And you guys all became
household names by competing on making the band, and when
you got the news it was any point that you
thought that you wasn't gonna make the cut because'll you
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guys were competing to be in the group. Day twenty
six was the name of the group already established? Is
that right? Okay, we'll come back to how you came
up with the name, but let's get it. Let's get
into you know, the actual competition side of it, and
how you felt once you realized that you were going
to be in the in the game.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like honestly, like every week, I was like I didn't
know what was going to happen, Like honestly, like that's
like an uncomfortable feeling. You know, you don't know whether
or not you're going You might be going home today,
you know, just according to how Puff feel. You know,
Puff come in. He might he might be in a moved.
He might send everybody home and bring in ten more people.
(19:33):
You know, you never know. Uh, I'm thankful. I'm thankful
to Puff, you know what I'm saying. Like you know,
people always ask.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Me, man, what is it like work?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
When him and like, honestly, I'm thankful, you know what
I'm saying. Like he saw something in me to bless
me with the opportunity. So I'm thankful for that. So, no,
I ain't got nothing bad to say about Puff. Spoke
with him, man, it's been about a year and a half. Yeah,
but you know, I mean, you know he you know, I.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Spoke to him on the phone. You spoke to him
in person?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Ah, it was No, it was in person.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think I was. It was an event in La right, Yeah,
but like I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Know, it's it's always love, you know, It's it's nothing
ever like negative or anything like that. Because honestly, really
and truly like our situation wasn't a negative situation, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So yeah, So so let me get this straight. You're
not blaming Puffy for any loss of income anything that
you felt like you would you you deserve but you
didn't get. You're not gonna blame Puffy.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, sir, No, how can you do this?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
How can you do that? I mean, because everybody's blaming
you're not.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean, I mean, let's just be real man, like
like this is you know, it's it's the music business,
you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, let's just
be real, like it's it's ninety five percent business and
the rest is everything else. If whatever you can fit
in a five percent, it's everything else.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But I mean we, I mean we.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Understood that that that first initial contract it was non negotiable.
You know, it was just how the how the show
was tied into the contract. But I will huh yeah, yeah. Basically,
like you either take it or you don't get the
opportunity to go to New York in an audition for
for Diddy. We don't care, but it will be somebody
(21:29):
in that in that place, you know what I'm saying.
So it was like it was kind of almost like
you damn if you do you damn if you don't. Man,
how can I say this? I don't want I don't
want to say the wrong thing. I mean, I'll tell
you truth. But like honestly, like he really looked out
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for us when it came when it came time to
renegotiating our deal for our second album, Like he really
he really like looked.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Out for us. Like see, let me tell you something, man,
And I really want a lot of these artists out
here to hear me. New artists, old artists, everything in between.
I think that it's important when people come into the
music industry, that they understand all the music business, that
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they understand that it is a business, and they understand
that greater people before them have had shitty contracts. It's
kind of like how it is. I mean, it's just
how it is. And you going in, before you ever
even look at a contract, you already know nine times
out of ten you're probably gonna have a shitty contract
because everybody's had everybody. I mean, Michael had a shitty countract,
(22:42):
Prince had it. I mean, these are the two greatest
guys in music besides myself. You know what I'm saying,
whoever done it?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Man?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You know what I'm saying, many had a shitty contract.
But the way I look at it is that like
if I, yeah, it would be cool if I would
have had a better contract, But at the end of
the day, as a man, I still signed the contract.
And not only did I sign that contract, sometimes people
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sign again and again. Now after all of that is over,
at some point, a lot of times guys end up
not doing the right thing with their money, and now
they ain't got no bread, and now they looking around
and they pointing fingers, you you, you, you you. I'm
(23:33):
not saying you is right. I'm just saying when I
say you, that person that you feel like wronged you,
I'm not saying that that person is right. I'm just
saying that you consciously signed the contract. They did not
put a gun to your head, and you saw a
benefit and signing that contract and receiving whatever funds that
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you were receiving at that time. So at that time,
it was all good, and you were so damn happy
and you was just loving everything about it. And then
you made money. You may not have made all the
money that you wanted to make. I remember Muhammad Ali,
(24:18):
the Muhammad Ali and the George Foreman fight. They were
supposed to make five million dollars or something, and I
think I least said he saw about a million or something,
but he ain't never had a million or something before.
So it's like, you take that million, it's no way possible.
You're supposed to. You get a million dollars and you're
supposed to blow it. Anybody that gets their hands on
(24:41):
a million dollars should be able to turn that million
dollars into ten million, and ten million into one hundred
and so on and so on and so on. At
the very least you should never be broke again if
you get a million dollars. Fact. And so I'm just
looking at like, where is the accountability for the people
who have made the money for the money that you
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did make? Where is the count of the accountability for
you multiplying your money or at least, at the very
least sustaining yourself financially.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know what I say this.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And you know this is this is something that I
tell like every up and coming artist, like every other
coming artist that I was asking me, oh man, like
any advice you know, you know, any advice like I
always tell them, like for one, like, you know, your
dream is your dream, you know what I'm saying, Like,
so don't let anybody like deter you from your dream.
Don't let nobody tell you it can't happen, because it's
your vision.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Obviously God instilled it in you, and you can see it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
If you can see I'm a firm believing if you
can see it, it's achievable, Like if you can picture
it in your mind, if you can picture like I
want to go out here and make some fucking fucking
boots that fly. If you can envision that, like obviously
you can't. You can't see that, but I can see it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You gotta apply yourself. So with that being said, you
get this deal. You know it's a shitty deal. You know,
you absolutely know it's a shitty deal. But you work hard,
you grind hard, like that way when it comes back
time for that second album, it's time to talk. It's
time to talk, it's time to negotiate, you know what
(26:25):
I'm saying, Like and like, that's what a lot of
artists don't do, because artists get content with this show
money or I get to get on the GRAMD and
I get the stunt and put a hold of money
to my ear and I get to do this and
do that. Man, excuse me my language. Fuck all that,
fuck all that, fuck all that, like that money it
(26:46):
don't last for ever, It really don't. I mean, especially
like if your team not set up properly, like like
hours was, like.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You will you will.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Be out here hurt. You will be out here hurt.
And if you ain't got your sanity, or if you ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Got like the.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Bounce back, you will be out here sad. You will
be out here lost, and you will be out here.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Hiding from people, not knowing, not knowing what to do next,
if that makes any sense, Like you still riding off
of off of Oh, I had a hit single back
in you know, twenty twelve, But I don't even want
to step out the side at the house right now
because I'm not hot right now.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm not hot.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
No, Like you gotta, Yo, the little leverage that you had,
you got to figure out a way to capitalize off that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Like, Yo, man, I get out here, I hustle.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Mu's go loe to you.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hustle, I hustle. I get out here and I hustle.
Like that's the best thing. I mean, that's the best
advice I can give anybody. Man, Like, Yo, once you want,
you start, just don't stop. Just do not stop at all.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So you guys, five boys from the hood y'all get
up to New York. You sign this big deal with
one of the biggest producers in the game, Puffy. You
signed the bad Boy Records. You get back to back
hit albums, you're touring with the like with the likes
(28:27):
of Genuine and Brian McKnight Destiny's Child. You're getting the money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
No, no, no, no, all that happened before huh all
that happened.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's right. Destiny's child was right when you were signing
him with Matthew and we got to talk about, man,
you gotta talk about that. That's that's right. We gotta
talk about that. Yeah. But but but yeah, but you
you've done you you did that with the other group, right.
And what was the name of.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Mason, Mason, Mason Road, Mason Road yep, man, Man.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, we gotta talk about Mason Road. But let's let's
finish with day twenty six. Yes, sir, you guys win
Best R and B Male Group, Sir at the BT
Awards in two thousand and nine. Three years later, twenty twelve,
(29:24):
you guys break up? What caused the breakup? I need
the truth, man, I need I need the.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Truth honestly, man. For me, it was.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I just didn't like how our business was being handled,
you know, and I wasn't gonna stick.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Around for it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know, I just wasn't who.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was messing up the business man? Man. We gotta know, man,
you know the story got on.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The team, man, our a team.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I'll say that. I'll say that somebody was in control
of that money, man, somebody was touching the money before everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean, I mean definitely, you know, definitely a person
that was touching the money before any of us were
touching it.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, put that out there. This got a politician, man,
you never was touching the money.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You never know, man, you know I might be running
for you know, president, you know, and and and you
know next year, you know anything.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You know, you gotta gotta be careful what I say.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So your manager burns you. Okay, your manager burns you. Now. Now, Now,
who who was the guy in the group that was
the basically the leader? And I know I don't really
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like to say use the word leader, but there's always
somebody who says, who gathers the troops and say, okay,
let's do it like this, what y'all want to do? Okay,
I'll speak on it. Who was the spokesperson for the
group when ship was going down?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It was I'll say it was me because I started
hearing things and at the time, like our our road manager,
you know what I'm saying. Uh, he had came to
me and was like, yo, be like I just want
to tell you, like bro, like.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You, you know you you're a really good dude.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Man, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
I don't feel that it's right what's going on. But
he was like, yo, like you'll be a fool. Well no, no,
I rewinded. He was like on some like YO, like
fuck it, I'm say it, you'll be a fool to
think that YO check and this person's check.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Are the same. And who is this person?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Man? You know what day twenty six, new project coming?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, man, you know what?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Man like honestly, like I'm I'm never one to like
Croyd with spill milk.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Like, I.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Get you, but that's the same thing with me though,
Like I can respectfully respectfully say that I had a
disagreement with rap a Lot Jay Prince with my contract.
I left and things fell apart, and then we came
back together. We fixed. I can say his name. You
know what I'm saying. It ain't it ain't the boogey man.
(32:38):
It's not a ghost. This is a human being as
a person. So I can say this is I had
a fall out with this and we patched it back
up and now you know, we dogs again and it's
been like that for years, you know, So look, man,
in life. You preach your eulogy the where you live
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your life. And if you don't want people telling the
truth about the stuff that you did, don't do it facts.
So I have no problem with people saying if they
feel like really D wronged them in any kind of way,
and they speak on it if I wrong them. What
I have a problem with is the lies facts. If
somebody lie facts, you try to lie on me, then
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we're gonna have a problem. But if you say that's
what it is, that's what it was cool because I
know one thing about me. I ain't gonna fuck over
nobody who didn't deserve to be fucked over. You did
what I'm saying. So if I get them, that's because
they deserved it, and I'll speak on it. I'll stand
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on it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You know what, don't see like I don't. I don't
work like that. Like me, man, I don't want nothing
more then what's meant for me.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm the same way when when I say fuck over
somebody for clarity, I mean do them dirty. When I
say do your dirty, you get what you get when
you do me dirty. When you offend me, I ain't
got nothing for you but some pain. Like you do
me dirty. I ain't got nothing for you but some pain, bro.
So I don't care what you say and how you
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say it or whatever you get anything. Man Like, I
don't care about your mom and your grandmama, your kids.
I was I was everybody. Everybody get to smoke.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's on that I promised. I was on that.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Whoo.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I was on that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I was on that. Man Like.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But man.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Me me deciding to like come back to the because
like honestly, really and truly like me getting back in
the group, that wasn't even like the plan, you know.
At the time, man Like, I just felt like there
was so much coming down on me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And I was like talking to God like so much.
Like I mean, don't get me wrong, like I talk.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
To God like all day every day, but like at
the time, man like, I just felt like I was
so heavy with so much going on in my personal life,
in my career everything. Like I felt like I just
needed to like chill out and talk to God. And
I did that, and I felt like God was telling me, like, yo,
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you trust me?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And I was like, yeah, God, I trust you.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And he was like I need you to call. Make
the phone call just to make things right, not not
not like to get back in the group or anything
like that, just to make things right. Say what's on
your mind, because like mind you like, I never actually
spoke to anybody when I exited the group. I exited
(35:41):
with an Instagram post and I blocked everybody. What Yeah, yeah,
so I nobody. I didn't talk to anybody, and so
you know, I, you know, I spoke with them and
I told them exactly the information that I found. I
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told them where it came from, showed them the proof,
you know, obviously denial. You know what I'm saying, And
that's cool. I got off my chest, you know what
I'm saying, and I felt I felt so much lighter.
I felt so much better after having those conversations. After that, man, like,
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you know, opportunity came with us possibly getting back in
the studio working on another project, and we end up
doing that. We end up, man, we got an amazing album. Man,
like I can't wait for the world to hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, y'all reconnected in twenty two right last year?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, sign your sign patched it back up? Yeah, Yeah,
the album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I saw a photograph of you guys too. Man, all
y'all still look young and you know fresh. I guess
black black don't crack real talk, man, y'all look like
y'all could be a group that come out for the
first time to date.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Man, if you hit this new project, you would you
would think the look, Yo, the music is surpassing the look.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm not gonna lie like this is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I mean, my solo album is crazy too, but this
this Day twenty six album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Can you do me a favor?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What's up? Bro? So that song that you sung to
get your spot, well it actually wouldn't. It didn't really
give you your spot, but it made everybody look at
you like, oh yeah, he gonna make it. He gonna
be in the group. Are you talking about the road man?
When you pop that out on? Oh yeah yeah. And
let me say this too. Being a Houstonian myself and
(37:40):
I could speak for everybody else. We were so proud
of you. I appreciate you. We would ride for you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
What I appreciate You know what's crazy?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Man?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I always say, man, like, Yo, do you usould not
rock with me?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Man? Cause it's like, Yo, I see this artist that artist,
this artist, that artist.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Like, Yo, I'm writing your back yard, Yo. Like these
promoters are.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Different, man, You're different, That's true. And I will say
that the promoters are different, But the fans are different too.
Many of the fans are different too, because I remember
one time I was at a club called what was
that huge club off of I Hush back in the day, Yo,
(38:27):
hush Man. I was at Hush and Little Wayne is
in concert. Little Wayne is in concert, and it's one
of those nights where they're charging five hundred dollars to park.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think I was there at night.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, the city came out and it's is when Wayne
was on fire fire, So it's like they're charging five
hundred to park man to park your car, anything else
you had to park down the street five hundred to park.
I'm standing outside a basketball player, one of pro basketball players,
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and a few girls and we are in the front
and I'm looking at they got a VIP line, a
super VIP line, and general admission. General admission was one
hundred dollars, the VIP line was two fifty, and the
(39:28):
super VIP was a thousand, and all of the lines
was filled. But for what this place, you know, The
capacity was three thousand. It was filled and they everywhere,
I mean, people came out of the best and I'm
looking and I'm like, look at this shit. I was
(39:51):
hating on the cold this motherfucker. I was like, I
was like, look at this shit. I say, these fuckers
can do this shit for us. And this girl said, ah,
WILLI D we love you. We love to get old boys.
We're gonna do this for y'all. Say stop lying, she say.
She said, we do love y'all. Y'all just got to
(40:12):
give us some new music. I said, why do we
have to keep on putting out new music to get
this type of support? Mains ain't put out a damn
record in two decades and y'all still going to the
to the concerts and filling up the arenas for man,
why do we have to keep putting out new music?
The Rolling Stones ain't put out a damn album in
(40:33):
a hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Years YouTube Rolling Stones?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Why do we have to continue to put our brand,
brand new music for y'all to appreciate us?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Honestly, we don't support each other like everybody else support
each other. And it's sad, you know what I'm saying.
Us as black folks, like we be so quick too.
I mean, you don't get me wrong, Like like I love
my people, like I absolutely love my people, but like
we we're so into these these these fast like cancer
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culture and we're so into Oh. All it takes is
the right person to say the wrong thing about you
and that person's followers. Because you know, DJ Envy and I,
like years ago, you know, back when we first became
a group, he and I had like a you know,
(41:22):
we bumped heads for for for us for a second.
Well what it wasn't just Dj Envy, it was it
was Miss Jay as well. You remember when Envy was
over at uh Hot ninety seven before before he went
to Power. They you know, they were like, you know,
basically like calling us, you know, gay twenty six.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
What Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I was like, yo, like, dude, you call us that
one more time, it's gonna be a problem, you know.
And you know, he mind you.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We're on air, this the number one station in the
entire country.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Let alone the world.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
You know what I'm saying, and you're calling this gay
twenty six. You gotta understand, bro, when you say stuff
like that, you got people that follow and hang on
to every single thing that you say, so you become
an influence to this person. You know what I'm saying, Like,
watch how you handle me, because just like you got kids,
I got kids. I got to take care of as well,
(42:21):
you know what I'm saying, So like be just be
mindful of the words that you that you put out there, especially.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You on the radio. Bro, you on the radio. And
he was like, you know what, I get it, I
get it, my bad.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So why did he say he was saying it in
the first place. Was he saying it just to be funny?
He thought that, you know, he had some type of evidence.
What's what's no?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
I think that was a thing to do, you know
what I'm saying. We you know, we some we're an
R and B singing group. Obviously, you know that's the
thing that everybody want to say, Oh he an R
and B singer, he a little whatever whatever. But I
think I think missus Jay had gotten offended because the
group had we had been interviewed by them before, and
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we had kind of went in there with a plan,
like a strategy, you know what I'm saying, because we
knew like Miss Jay was gonna go in because she
goes she used to go in on everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So we were like, Yo, we're just gonna go in there.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
We're gonna butter up, We're gonna be sweet, you know
what I'm saying, and hopefully you know what I'm saying,
that'll you know, get us past the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And you know, it did that first time, but it
was weird.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
They made a request to interview us again like three
weeks later, and Yo, they brought in a huge like no, lie,
sandwich had to be about ten feet for Mike, for
Big Mike. They brought in like a twelve foot long
sandwich and they were going even harder. We're calling us
(43:56):
gay twenty six, Gay twenty six, And I was just like.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yo, they said this, why yacht there wasn't saying that.
Why y'all were there? Yeah, they called y'all y'all were there?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, that's why we almost Yeah yeah, well like yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It was, it was, it was I mean, you know
that was yo. That was literally like almost sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
That was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, yeah, man saying.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah No, I mean, like you know what though, man, honestly,
like I like listen to them now and like I
even watch it on v h one and and and
uh BT, like yo, like the growth in him and
Charlemagne is like it's crazy, it's crazy, crazy crazy because
like yo, I remember like when we we did Wendy Williams,
(44:51):
and Wendy Williams was going in on a group as well,
but she was like, well, you know what, I'm getting
a little HRR you do from everybody but Brian and
you know all the main was cool then, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
But yeah, we had a problem.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well they had a problem with Wendy Williams as well,
so you know, obviously you know that's home team. So
if they got a problem, I got a problem too,
you know. So I mean that's just kind of how
it went.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But like the growth and both those guys are like
night and day, like you can tell like they were
young back then and like to like see them now,
it's like wow, the growth is like uncanny.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Reloaded podcasts will be right back after the poet who
reached out to who to put the group back together, well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I reached out to them just to talk, just to
get it off my chest, you know what I'm saying
that I was like, this is not for me to
get back into group or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
This is just, you know, I need to get this
off my off, my heart, off my soul, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
And my my play cousin a mirror who I hadn't
talked to in a while either. He called wind of it,
and he's a super successful songwriter. He's written for like
August Alsina, TLC, a couple other people. He reached out
to Sean McMillan. Sean McMillan like writes all of August
(46:24):
Alcina's music, Like every single song you've heard from August
Sean has written.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
He reached out to.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Sean was like, Yo, I'm gonna reach out to Brian
and like try to see if he can get back,
well if he'd be willing to get back in a group,
and if so, like I want you to like put
together a project for him. So we all got on
the phone, we talked, we chopped it up. I was like,
you know, I you know, I'll see what it's about,
you know. And obviously you know, they started sending music
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and everything else like that, and I'm like, okay, you know,
some some good music, you know, make you come back,
you know. So yeah, man, we went out to Atlanta
for a whole stuff, like a month and a half
and we recorded the album. Man, it's crazy, like topped
the bottom like crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So yeah, that's that's pretty much how we got back together.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
You know, it wasn't It wasn't nothing like you know,
like you would have wanted it to be, like you know,
it wasn't like you know, party. You know, it was
just like, yo, you know what, like I got this
opportunity and if y'all want to do it, it's here, and
you know, talking amongst the group, man, we all decided
we were going to do it.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Let me tell you how I remember Mason road breaking up.
This is just from the whispers that I heard. I
heard that everything was good until you guys got the
contract and then some of the guys you know, had
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a problem with with the contract.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Uh, everything was cool until some of us start realizing,
like yo, like this cat and not for to do
nothing with us, We're just gonna be sitting here wasting
our lives away.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That was made y'all think that because y'all there.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Was never any contracts that came yeah with genuine jagged is.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
No, No, these were all so these were all promotional dates.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, for a whole entire tour, like we were just
out there, no real like crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'm gonna tell you the truth, bro, I ain't really
mad at y'all didn't get paid about it. I mean,
I know, I know I'm not in the skin and
I didn't have to go through the experience. But I'm
just saying I'm not mad about a group who ain't
sold no records not getting paid on tour, you know
what I'm saying. So so you know we went on
tour and after the tour, how long are you sitting
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on the shelf before you guys say yo, no, this
is not working. About a year, you know, and there's
no activity whatsoever. Man.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We were rehearse about sixteen hours a day. And not
only did we rehearse there, like we recorded there at
the studio. I lived in the studio at the time,
like I ain't no where to go, like I was
living there, so like my my life, my everything was
at Music World. Yes, my life was at that studio,
like all my clothes everything, and I remember, like.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I ain't up getting a job.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
And for clarification, when you say you lived at the studio,
did you was that your like address.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, I slept in in the back room of the studio. Okay,
you remember how music World was, right, yeah, all right,
you go all the way back and there was a
lounge right here in the very very bad and then
there was a door in that lounge where she where
she kept all the like Destiny's childs like.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Touring stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I slept in the back room. Miss Tina walked in
on me one time. I was sleep I had to
blanket over my head and she's like, oh, baby, I'm sorry.
I was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Man,
Miss Tina man man one of the nicest man you know,
man like man, Miss Tina one of the nicest souls
on this earth.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
She was like, baby, you've been living back here. I
was like, yes, ma'am. She was like, I gotta go
talk to Matthew.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
And man, I remember I remember going to ask Matthew.
At the time I had I had like this little
station wagon, you know what I'm saying. And I remember
my water pump was broke on it, so I couldn't
like go to work nothing. And I went and asked
Matthew for seventy eight dollars. That was gonna pay for
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the water pump and the installation on it. Dude told
me I ain't got it, kind of kind of like
rub me the wrong way. I was like, kind of
like you ain't got it on you, well, you don't
have it at all. He was like, I don't have
it at all. And I remember kind of like telling
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Miss Tina about it. Miss Tina like literally reaching her
wallet and like bless me with one hundred dollars so
I can get my car fixed.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
See see that ain't the Matthew. I know. So when
that when that went down, you.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Know, because Matthew ain't got nothing cast up said about me.
Go ahead, Well from I understanding.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
We're gonna move on there. No no, no, no, no no no.
We can talk about it now, you.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Know you want to No, let's talk about this. No,
let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
My god, man, that's my dude. Man, Like like you know,
just like was the something before that happened, Like was
there a person of vendetta? I mean, did you do something.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
To No, sir, none at all.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I was always respectful, you know what I'm saying, like
still to this day, like you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm still respectful, but like from my understanding, like
you know, you know, you know people like run into
him every once in a while that like know me
that he knows that knows me, and he always has like.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Oh yeah, Brian, uh, Brian got me a nice little check.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Basically like saying that, like, yo, like Puff cut him
a check so that I could be in the group
talking about he still had me signed the paperwork.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I presented Puff with the released forms and everything.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yo, I got. I got stories for days, Bro, I
got stories for days. I can tell you a whole
lot of stuff, Bro, a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yet, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Might want to edit that out right.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I'm just saying, Man, I hate it when brothers that
I that I cut for, you know, bump hiss.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Man, I'm bump his man.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I don't bump here with nobody, Bro. Like if anybody
got like.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
You bumped forever you said it.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, But like I'm the type of person I can
talk to you as a man and you know, fish
through the you know, the the bullshit and then you know,
get down to the whatever and then leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
You know what I'm saying. We can either we neither
squash it or just leave it alone.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Have you ever reached out the math to just try
to get an understanding like you did with the group,
because y'all got a lot of history, no matter what,
y'all got a lot of history. And I'm sure you
don't hate Matthew. I don't hate you. So I mean,
if y'all ever like, like, have you ever tried to
reach out? I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
I honestly, I have no problem with Matthew at all. Hell,
I mean, he got a he got a nice check.
He go around telling people like he even told my
cousin a mirror like, you know, a mirror was trying
to write something for a group that he had at
the time.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Uh they were called Blush.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
And he even told the mirror like, yeah, you know,
Brian got me a nice check, like kind of like bragging,
like really, brouh, we're doing this? How do you we're
doing this?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Okay? Do you still talk to the guys in the group.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
For Mason Roll, Oh yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Man. You know. One of them was my little brother,
so Vaughn. I still talk to him all the time.
But talked to Steve all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
So I never knew you had a brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, sir.
Uh And where's von Vaughn Man?
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Vaughn is uh if he ain't out in La with
jazz like he he he.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
And and and somewhere in the country of Texas.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
With jazz frinds.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah. You know they call him the gumbo guy.
That the gumbo man, you know. Man, Like you know,
Vaughn Vaughan has his own his own food truck now,
so like he's super successful, stay in the country, built
the house out there, and you know he just cooking
and farming. That's all he's doing now. I mean he's
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still putting on music as well through y EMG.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
But yeah, how many kids? You got five? And what's
that like? You know, like, what's what's fatherhood like for you?
What's a typical date in the life of you, Brian Angel?
Daddy you wake up in the morning, Wake up in
the morning. Man, you got five kids out there? Man,
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five kids? You wake up? Damn I'm daddy, Debt.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, man, you know what my two youngest ones live
with me.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Man a daily man, it would be I wake up
in the morning, cook breakfast, get them ready for school,
drop them off, try my girl off at work, come home,
get the house situated or whatever. That's if I'm if
I'm not working. You know what I'm saying, you know,
get the house situated.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Make sure their lunch is cooked so when they get
home they you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm pretty domesticated.
You know what I'm saying, I'm pretty domesticated.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Man. There you up for that?
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (56:23):
The Manisphere. Manisphere that's a group of well not just
a group, but people that it's we're actually a group
of people who are bloggers, hosts, writers who basically ah
(56:52):
talk about the significance of the man and how important
the role is for a man and how you know
women should be uh submissive. They hear this, They're coming
for you like that, dude, domestic d You see that's
what's wrong.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
No, man Like I feel like I feel like I
feel like you be cooking?
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Man? What you cook? Man?
Speaker 2 (57:17):
I cook everything?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Man Like I can cook, cook though I don't like
I don't just like I don't just cook.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
You cook For breakfast?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
This morning, I.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Made uh some turkey sausage, Uh, some scrambled eggs hash
browns and.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Some rifles. Yeah, so you feel like what when the
manisphere come at you and say, man, what you doing cooking?
That's your woman job.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
I mean, y y'ah, nigga's living under in the stone age,
you can't like really like you know, I mean, this
is this is twenty twenty three. You know what I'm saying,
Like you got that mindset like brother, you need to pray.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
But you know, it's a lot of things happening in
twenty twenty three that has got the world off its
access and then really got our community in a jam.
So I don't know if you can just really just
attribute to change of gender roles to just oh, this
is twenty twenty three. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're
(58:26):
evolving in the right direction just because it's twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I mean, I mean, you're right, but I'll say this,
there's nothing wrong with.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Like I feel like I feel like a relationship, like
especially in like a family dynamics, like it should be
all hands in you know, all hands on deck. You
know what I'm saying, Like whatever, you know what I'm saying, like,
do what you got to do to make sure that
your household runs properly, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I don't think that when a person has that mindset,
(59:07):
they don't really think like that, like because like I mean, yeah,
I mean I can go out, hunt, bring home to
meet whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
But like, are you are you really like happy with
just sitting back and just chilling while your wife is
doing this and doing that?
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Like me, I have no problem with helping out, you
know what I'm saying, Like I feel like when you're
a relationship, like that's supposed to be your helpmate.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
You know what I'm saying. That's like meaning like you
help each other.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Like anything else, I don't understand. I'm sorry, I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
Your wife? So does she? I got to ask these questions.
What do is something pop up in my head? Man?
I just gotta see it, man, because I know a
lot of people probably thinking the same thing. Uh So,
(01:00:15):
but does your wife, like because she does work and
when you're not working, you're at home, she's out working
and you're at home taking care of the house, does
she come in and? Uh? Does she have the final say?
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Hell, like, we don't. We don't operate like that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Like do you have a fan to say something?
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I wouldn't somebody got to find yes, I do, but
I don't try to run my household like that, Like
like I'm like, what do you how do you feel?
How does this make you feel? You know what I'm
saying like that way, Like I do it that way
so that everybody's happy. You know what I'm saying and
(01:01:00):
like so to speak, it's not all about me. It's
not it's not all about like my wishes. It's not
all about like what makes me happy? Like does this
make you comfortable? Does this make you feel the type
of way? Like I like that type of person. I
am like I need to know, like I need to
know what's on your mind, what's on your heart, and
if it doesn't make you feel totally one like comfortable
(01:01:23):
or confident, Okay, let's try to find like another alternative,
or let's let's try to figure out to where both
you and I are happy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
What do you think about the people out there who
say that you know, alpha male, bea male? What do
I mean? What do you think about those titles?
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I don't want to I don't want to dispect nobody man,
But I think it's I think it's ignorant. I think
it's a Stone Age way of thinking. You know what
I'm saying, Like I I don't believe in the whole
alpha male or the beta male. Like I'm I am
the alpha male in my home. You know what I'm saying,
Like I'm I am. I am a male, I'm an
(01:02:10):
alpha male when I step out my house. You know
what I'm saying, Like it's I mean, you're gonna see it,
You're gonna feel it. I like when I walk past you,
you're gonna ain't no, ain't no second guessing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
But I don't feel like I have to go around
like talking about it or yeah, man, you know things
ain't running my way, then there's no way at all.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Like that's that's no there's no way to like be.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
There's no way to be. If you ask me, I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Think you are right, man, because at the end of
the day, I do believe that the best way for
someone to operate within a relationship, it's to do what
makes them sleep well. You know, like if it makes
you sleep well, to acquiesque to your woman's man, then
that's what you do. No, bro, I'm messing with you.
(01:03:13):
I'm messing with you, you know, really, really really, but
all in all and all sincerity, I really think that,
I really think that when people find something that works
for them, that's all that really matters. When you find
something that works for you, that's what matters, because you know,
like people don't. I can talk all the stuff that
(01:03:36):
I want to, but I don't have to wake up
and smell this woman's morning breath. I don't have to
worry about how she's budgeting the money. I don't have to,
you know, worry about how she's teaching and training and
coaching my kids and counseling my kids. I don't have
to worry about how she represents herself when she walks
(01:03:57):
out of the door, and how she repens it's me.
I don't have to worry about any of those things.
So I don't put that much stock into how people
run their relationships, because as long as it works for them,
that's really all that matters. I know people who have
these adequated ideas about how relationships should go, and some
(01:04:23):
have these new wave ideas about how relationships could go
should go, and those people are unhappy, right, So sometimes
you know it's the guy. You got the guy he's
you know, he's this he's afrobe because you got this
guy he's beta. You got this woman, she's submissive. You
(01:04:45):
got this woman she's aggressive. But at the end of
the day, it balls down to what works for you
and yours.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
They don't make and you know what's crazy, man, They
don't make women out they used to either.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
They don't man like women like like I mean, I'll
say this.
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Women used to.
Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Be so soft and so like. You know, what's the
word I'm looking for? Man Like women used to be
like loving women are like savages now you know what
I'm saying. I think that's why I hold on the
mind soul.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I think you are treading on thin ice, so shut up.
Not not shut up, but I think it needs to
be more directed towards a specific type of woman, because
all women are not made like that. Cause I hear
but I just I just despise generalizations, just for the
simple fact that sometimes you hear women saying the same
(01:05:48):
thing about men. Oh these men today, Hell, I'm man,
what are you talking about me too? Be talking that shiit?
Men today? I just don't understand these these guys today. Man,
they're just these ad they's just losers and they don't
want anything. They're lazy. They want they want to be kept.
And and I'm like, I mean, hey, hey, I'm over here.
(01:06:08):
I'm a man, Like you're not. I know you're not
talking about me. And I understand what she mean. I
know she's not talking about me. But when she verbalizes,
she she includes me. When she she speaks on these things.
She's talking about men, she's talking about me. So I
think it's important for us to be specific, specific about
you know, the criticism that that we levy towards a
(01:06:32):
particular I say this, right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I say this, ladies, It's okay to be soft. It's
okay to be.
Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
The woman that you envision yourself as a child, if
that makes any sense, Like you know, like being like
you know, having the having the family, and you know
women have that when they're you know, when when they're
growing up, you know what I'm saying. And fellas, it's
okay to like love one woman, it's okay to be
with just one woman, you know what I'm saying. Like,
(01:07:06):
I think that's where we got it messed up at.
Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I think that I think that is enough blame to
go around. It's not one group that's out of pocket.
It's not one gender that's out of pocket. It takes
two to tango facts, and so there's enough blame to
go around. But look, man, we can complain all day,
(01:07:31):
but after we complain, you gotta do something about it. Facts.
You know, that's what grown folks do. Facts. No kids
are just complaining, complain, complain, playing, but they're not solution oriented.
Grown folks are solution oriented. So we can complain, but
after we complain, we do something about it. Because I
can tell you that I do know a number of
women who were taught to be aggressive, to be self
(01:07:58):
sufficient and independent because they saw their mothers and grandmothers
being abandoned for the other woman or for the streets.
They saw, they saw men die, their grandfathers die without
a will or without an insurance policy, and they don't
(01:08:22):
want to be in that same position. So I cannot
fault them for that. But what I do is I
can hold all of us accountable for falling for the
banana in the tailpipe where we're not working as a
cohesive unit, because at the end of the day, we
(01:08:45):
can lose a lot of battles, but we cannot lose
the gender war. We have fought and worn a lot
of wars, but we cannot win a gender war. We
can't survive.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
None of us can survive. A woman can't survive without
a man. We can't survive without each other. No, it's impossible.
Anybody that's preaching that is an uncivilized mutt. We can't
survive without each other. We we We were made for
(01:09:25):
each other. We were made for each other. Men were
made for women, Women were made for men. I don't
give a damn, I said I. I said it many
and I'm here to represent it. I cannot I cannot
be canceled. I said it. I ment them here to
represent it. And I was saying on stage at and
(01:09:49):
and and at at NRG Stadium in front of seventy
thousand people. I get on TV and broadcast it internationally.
Men were made for women, Women were made for men.
And that's the way it is. Ain't nothing gonna change that.
You can go out there and act like however you
want to act, and you can do whatever you want
(01:10:09):
to do, but that's what it is. And until somebody
showed me different. That's what I'm standing on.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You know where you you're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Like, like, especially with everything that's going on right now
with you know, how do you feel about the do
you feel that it's an agenda being pushed off right now?
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Absolutely is an agenda. Okay, that absolutely is an agenda.
And even the people that's even the people that benefits
from the agenda know what the truth is, but they
can't say it out loud. It's kind of like it's
kind of like, you know, white folks knowing that white
(01:10:57):
privilege is is real, but they can't say it out
loud because then they have to do something about it. Right. Yeah,
so we know, not absolutely right, we know what it is,
you know, we know, we know what it is. And man,
you know, hey, uh you know, hopefully you know we'll
(01:11:20):
be all right. Hopefully our babies would be all right,
you know, man, you know, hopefully we can leave this
world in a better place than what we found it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Man, that's what I pray about.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
I pray so much like for my children, man, like
especially like the way things are like, Man, I pray
I pray that like I can. I talked to God
all the time, Like I want to stay here as
long as possible just to make sure that my children
are on their way, you know what I'm saying, like
and and headed in the right direction. This world is
so like just even when when from from when I
(01:11:53):
was growing up, man, Like this world is so different, man,
Like so different.
Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Like you know, I don't I don't smoking like that.
I eat edibles, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So what I do is, man, I'll eat edible and
I'll watch like old school TV TV. Like that's why
I'm like, I'm a huge fan of two B because
they got all the old school Yeah, they got all the.
Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Old school shows. Improving man.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah you know what man, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Honestly got a financial injection somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I don't know, man, But like too B is Too
Be is dope.
Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
But like I watch like old school old school shows
like like Different Strokes and that's my mama and uh shoot,
what's happening? Yeah, good time? Man, Like like that's that's
that's the TV that I watched as a kid with
my grandparents. You know what I'm saying, Like to me
because like that's when you know what I'm saying like
(01:12:51):
life was life. You know what I'm saying Like this
right here, I mean, I just feel like now we
live in u uh a.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Day and age where everything is a race. Everything is
a race. Everything is a race.
Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
But like I get high, I eat my otibles, and
I watch my old school TV because it just reminds
me of times.
Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Where life was simpler.
Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Thank you you took the words rapping my mouth.
Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Life was a whole lot simpler, Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Angel,
thank you man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
For stopping by man, Thank you for having me by
the thank you, thankin No More Talk.
Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
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