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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yip yip.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
You know boys is back and reloaded all in your mind.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yeah, now deep throating.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is for the streets, the real, the reilroading, the distenfranchised,
the truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak
the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
The North South East coaches, the ge be mocked for
keeping your head.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Bobby, it ain't.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
No stopping and once to be drop sad by and
then the system is so corrupt they threw the.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Rock out their heads and then blame it on us.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced, they put
no butterment biscuits.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's Willie d y'all ghetto boys in the house. Reloaded
with another episode of information and instructions to help you
navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,
Attorney Jamica Western.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Hi, how are you good? Thanks for having me?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah? Absolutely and hard things at the Western Law.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
They're great, they're growing, they're changing, starting a new partnership,
so you know it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, I saw that park West, Yes, you know you
parted it up with Seanda Parker. Yep, you know, great name,
you know, like it's right there in your face, like
you couldn't miss it. Like, I'm sure y'all sat down
and collaborated, and was that like the first name that
y'all came up with.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I mean, I wanted to be West Park because I'm
fifty percent of it, and so you know, I wanted
it to be West Park, But of course there's West
Park to total Way already in effect. So we just
flopped it and it didn't take long.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, park west sounds good because you know the p
comes for the W anyway, it.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sounds better anyways, you know, was my ego.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's smooth, It's really small. How is collaborating going from
like being your own business entity and being your own
person that where you staying independently, you don't have to
consult with anybody to make decisions to stay. How does
that go today? With you having a new partner with
Shana Hies, that working out?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I mean, we're still doing the same growing pains, just
like you would start any new relationship. But being a
solo practitioner, it's kind of like you're on an island,
and so it's collaboration is really key. She has a
different perspective and outlook on some things. I also consult
with her with some of my criminal cases as well,

(02:27):
so it just adds a new lens to everything. We're
able to pull our money together, just go over different ideas,
different marketing strategies, and it's just easier to deal with.
You can, I guess, double your money, double your profits
and revenue by having someone else And people often think
you can't, but you can.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, And it's not just just you thinking of new
ways to be innovative and bring in new customers. But
you have a partner who's equally invested yep.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
So and the fact that she's able to she may
look at something and say, hey, we can do it
this way, and it's easier, And I can defer to
her because I trust what she's saying because I've seen
her practice for a long time and on the criminal side.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
But she's just a good business woman. So it just
it just works for us.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah. How does that work? When you walk into a courtroom?
Two black women walking into this white power structure that
was not meant for us, was actually.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Meant How is it.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Actually it was actually it was actually meant to basically
deny us justice. How How does it feel to walk
in there like that, you know, like and knowing what
this system that you operating within and trying to make
sure that you don't get caught up in it.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Also it's well, I have been caught up in it.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
But it's just so much pride that I feel to
be able to walk up and to be a part
of a system that I am trying to change. I mean,
I can only do it about one client at a time.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's just not for us.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know, we're gonna lose a lot of the times
because of the system you know that they have in
place for us.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
We just they just bet on us to lose, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
But that's why the best thing you could do for
any case is to just go in there prepared. I
remember my law professor told me one time when I
wasn't prepared for class. He said it was my criminal defense,
my criminal professor, and he said, listen, if you go
anywhere and you're not prepared, you're gonna hurt people. And

(04:46):
so that's what I try to do every time I
step into a courtroom. Just make sure I know the
facts of my case in and out better than anybody else,
and I'm able to get the bet best results. I
can for my clients, because when I have a client
who's young, I look at him like he's my son.
If I have a client who's older, I look at
him like he's my dad. And if he's your age,

(05:07):
I look at him like he could potentially be the
man that I love, you know. So I just kind
of treated like that, and you know, it's just worked out.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I was in the courtroom with you once. You didn't
know I was in there. Oh really, I was sitting
in there and you was going by doing your thing,
and you had like the stoic look on your face.
It wasn't mean, it wasn't yeah pleasant, it was just like,
I'm here to take care of business.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
That's serious.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah. I can't tell you how refreshing it is for
me to sit in a courtroom and see a black
lawyer or a black prosecutor. Well, to me, I won't
even say prosecuted because I very part of much part

(06:01):
of the system, but a black judge, because I feel like,
like the black person is gonna get a chance. We
got a shot. We got yeah, perhaps we got a
shot it we got somebody that look like us. You know.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I believe that. I believe that because when you go
into those courtrooms, when you deal with judges that don't
look like you or police officers that don't look like you,
there's an implicit bias, you know what I'm saying, And
so when they can look at people with humanity, it's
usually because you see yourself in somebody, and so you

(06:33):
can't wonder why there's leniency in some cases in you know,
punishment in others, you know what I'm saying, because you
can hear you can hear a judge say like when
I see you, I see my son, or I see
myself and we're looking around like, dang, yeah, we don't

(06:54):
look like you, So what do you think about me?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Have you ever been in a courtroom with a judge
was so obnoxious and arrogant that you felt like I'm
gonna have to report him, Like I'm not going to
get a fast shot with my client with this judge,
that this judge is coming out to gate with his
with his or her implicit bias, that it's no way possible.
I'm gon get a shot. Good shit, I'm gonna have

(07:19):
an opportunity I haven't.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I haven't had that. I have seen where judges do
abuse their power.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
I think that a lot of people just tread lightly
with that because people don't understand. We see these judges
every single day. We're on social media with these judges.
Some judges are friends that we went to law school with.
So I think that if it's a case specific to

(07:49):
you where you feel like you have been mistreated, I
think that yeah, you probably should, But I haven't had
that experience, not at all.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Hmm. Have you ever had the experience of representing a
client that you knew was guilty on the criminal side?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, now, how do you reconcile that? For people
who said, well, what about just doing the right thing?
Is that the right thing to represent somebody who you
know is guilty.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yes, just because you're guilty doesn't mean your rights weren't
infringed upon. So you know how people say through the
poisonous tree and things like that, those are safeguards that
have been put in place to make sure there are
checks and balances.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
We have rights.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
You shouldn't be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures. If
an officer does that and find something, even though you're guilty,
he was wrong. He's guilty for the wrongdoing. So yes,
all of that, all everything that's subject to that should
be thrown out.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
And I don't see why people don't quite understand that.
Eighty five percent of the people who I talk to
will say like, hey, yeah, this is what happened. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I don't really need to know exactly what happened because
I have to get the discovery. Once I get the discovery,
I'm going to weigh all of the discovery and see
whether or not the state can prove every element of the.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
It has nothing to do with what you did, what
happened because the burden is on the State of Texas
at all times. So you don't have to prove that
you're innocent. They have to prove that you're guilty.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
What if a person has a history of violence against women,
are being a pedophile, which you represent.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
That person violence against women?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yes, I only have had maybe two cases dealing with children.
I really don't People don't really call me about that
because again, there's certain biases with that in certain cultures
that are more prone to do that than others. This

(10:03):
is not me just saying that this is something that
people will say to me they.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
What coaches are more prone.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I'm not gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I had asked. Uh. The reason why I asked that
question in the first place is because I feel like
R Kelly was not feel like but I believe that
R Kelly was overcharged for his crimes uh that they
accused him of.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
UH.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I absolutely do believe that that he has a penchant
for like romanticizing with you know, younger underage girls. But
I think in that particular case that they they've been
charging them with the charge him with a Rico act,
even with a Rico charge, and meaning that like he
conspired with all these other people to you know, to

(10:59):
meliss these girls and are to hold women against their will,
like hold women hostage, and they hit them with some
kidnapping charge. And I'm like, the dude is a recording artist,
he'd be on tour, Like, how are these women going
to the mall and going to the post office and

(11:20):
being able to visit their family members and all this
stuff when they feel like it and still be held hostage?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
You're like, I mean, I think that was a really
complicated case, even with me because I was such a
fan of R. Kelly and also the fact that there's
a lot of things that happen back when we were younger,
and a lot of women my age will attested this.
When you're about sixteen or seventeen, even fifteen years old,

(11:48):
men your age start looking in ways that they shouldn't look,
and they'll justify by saying, oh, because you know, she
looks grown, she looks like an adult, this and that.
But it still didn't make it right, you know what
I mean. And so I think that it was just
a long history that just finally caught up with him.

(12:09):
I don't know, Like I said, there is a very
complicated case. I didn't really follow it as much as
I probably should have, But I think that they are
just taking a broad sweep approach on him just to
let people know like, this is not going to be tolerated.
But it's to me, it's kind of it's worse nowadays.

(12:29):
You know a lot of men just like young women,
and they don't really care about whether or not they're minors.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
A lot of men.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, So do you think that perhaps that's why r
Kelly is experiencing so much of that that angst whatever
is it is just because that people are saying, like,
because of my trauma from childhood or because of my
perception that.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Could be it.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Because like I told you, there's some should pay them.
There's a lot of implicit bias that we have, you
know what I mean. It's just like for you, for
a case, if you've been robbed before, you had a
home invasion, if you have somebody who you know does robberies,
you're probably not gonna have as much leniency on him.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Mean, and that's that's that is right, You're absolutely correcting that.
The reason why you know I speak on it is
because I'm a black male myself, and I know if
they can overcharge R. Kelly, they can overcharge me. It
don't have to be about what he did or whatever
a case like his is. But perhaps you know, my

(13:36):
case is a you know, a case of uh, I
don't know, maybe it's a it's a violent case, or
it's a case of theft or whatever it is. But
they can overcharge me.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
They often do.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
They can overcharge me, just like if they can overcharge R.
Kelly and I can be cool with that. Then when
they overcharge me, then people are going to be cool
with that. All. So you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
So I'm saying that, you know, I'm not necessarily in
support of what R. Kelly and his you know, shenanigans
or whatever, and his activities or his pension to you know,

(14:13):
be with underage people or whatever, girls or whatever. But
you know, it's more about how if they can do
it to R. Kelly, they can do it to me.
If they can overcharge or Kelly, they can overcharge me.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
They're already doing it. They already do it.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
You have come and sat in court rooms, so if
you get arrested for a DWI, you might not feel
like you should be arrested. So you're just like, hey,
you know, what did I do? And you're just like
not letting the officer arrest you. And so then you
have a resistant arrest charge. Then you have something, you know,

(14:49):
if it's a myriad of things. Right, So they often
do overcharge, I mean, and that's where it gets down
to people voting and making sure they right wa prosecutors
are there, because prosecutorial discretion is probably the biggest abuse
of power that there is.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
O man. You know, so, yeah, do you think that
they overcharge oftentimes just so that you can be happy
that you you didn't?

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yes, you know, whatever the question is the answers, Yes, yeah,
it's it's like they sometimes overcharge you so that you know,
you could be happy that you didn't get all of
those charges.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, sir, they only hit me with one charge. And
so now even though I didn't do none of that, yes,
you know, they only hit me with one charge, so
I'm grateful.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
So what what often happens is is you'll see when
lawyers post like, hey, this person is coming home and
case dismissed and stuff like that. Yeah, you got four
cases dismissed, but they have a conviction the on the
one charge. And so when you're getting out of jail,
it's like hip hip parade, you know what I mean.

(16:00):
You don't care as long as you're getting out of jail,
and you're just like, hey, I got all these trumped
up charges, but at least I'm getting out. And so
when you say people with the records and all that
kind of stuff, if they have like say, for instance,
I love assault cases, like that's that's my baby. I
love assault cases. And of course it's usually men assaulting women, right,

(16:21):
And so if you have three or four assault cases
on your record, people are gonna look at you like
you're basically like a woman beater. But what if it's
a case where you just didn't get the right amount
of bond and you couldn't bond out. So your lawyer
comes in, he's just like, hey, do you want to
go home today? I can get you to go home
today if you take this time served. You've been in

(16:42):
here for three days, didn't investigate anything, but you're going home.
And so when you're young, you're like, Okay, I'm not
gonna get in trouble anymore, So it doesn't matter. Then
you have a crazy baby Obama.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
But how do you get three or four of those? Though?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I mean it's easy a woman lot, But how do.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
You be innocent in and get three or four assaultial?

Speaker 4 (17:06):
You be surprised, really, you be surprised. Some things are
just situations that get out of control. Some situations don't
need the police to be called. A lot of times
if I call the police, it's maybe because I just
want to de escalate the situation. But if the police
comes and he's like, did he push you, did he

(17:26):
strangle you?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Did he do this?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Did he knock your phone out your hand? Did he
cause pain? And so it doesn't take anything really to
get an assault. I have so many assault cases where
the person who called the police is.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Just like I just wanted him to leave. I didn't
want him to be arrested.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, but once you call the police is kind of
out of your hands.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
But after three or four of those type of two
or three or whatever one two, at some point you
got to put it on yourself as far as the
type of company you keep and type of women that
you choose. Right Like, for example, I know that I
am a naturally aggressive man. I am a hunter, I
am a defender of protector. I am about that life.

(18:10):
I don't need a woman that's about that life, okay,
because that's gonna be a problem, you know, like that.
I don't like if I was like to have an
issue with a guy or somebody out there in the streets,
I don't need her saying baby, no, no, no no,
don't take your nine meal. Let me take your pop shot,
take your pump shot gun, because youre gonna get more
of them if you take that, take that fact, take
the ak. You know, I don't need that. You know that.

(18:31):
Maybe what I want to hear, but what I need
to hear is baby, don't worry about it. He gonna
get his you know, God gonna take care of that.
I need that woman. That's the woman I need.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Have you always felt that way or have you grown
and evolved into that man?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
No? No, no, I've always felt that way. Okay, I
don't date women. Will let me put it like this.
From the time I was maybe twenty or so, twenty
twenty one, I've always felt that way. The women that
fight don't want to fight. Hell no, hell no. Some
women like to fight. Some women like drama. They like
to call the police. They weaponize the police. That's their thing.

(19:06):
They have an intimate relationship.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yes, so that means you're answering your own question. A
lot of times they weaponize the police. If I have
a divorce case going on, maybe I'll slap him with
an assault case to speed things up, get a protective order,
get him out of the house.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's a lot of things that go on.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think there's so many combinations that people don't understand.
They just like, hey, it's an assault, that's it. He
must have hit her. He's a woman beater. And a
lot of times that's just not the case. You might
have someone who's on parole you might want him out
of your house. The easiest way to do it is
to call a police and say that you don't feel comfortable,
you feel like he's a threat to you. It's just

(19:46):
a lot of things that happen, and you have to
be that's and because I see it so much, because
I've actually seen ring videos and things like that, I
know that women and men, you know, we'll make up
a story.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, And like I said, that's that's true. I do believe.
I know that happens. I know that that happens. Again,
I like to say that at some point you have
to be accountable for the choices that you make, including
your choices of the person that you pursue, the type
of person that you want to be in a relationship with.
If you like those type of women that like drama,

(20:22):
they like to call the police, and you've been having
the police call on you, uh falsely you know, two
three four five, say, man, call the police on me
once and that's it.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm like, you
will call the police.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's it's It's over. Because when you consider black males
relationships with the police, and you consider how the police uh,
communicate with us how they treat us. You know that
the police is not. First of all, the police don't

(20:59):
care about you. Are him, right, Let's get that understood.
You might think they do because they coming to check him,
but they're just using you as a pawn to check him.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's not really a pawn though. It's what people don't
understand in those specific cases.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Any case, really you.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Are not You don't have the authority to drop a
case because you're not the one who's filing the case.
The state of Texas, the prosecutors, they are the ones
who do that. So if they feel like it's a
situation that they can get the district attorney. Yeah, so
they're going to just push the issue. And at this

(21:37):
point you're you're kind of irrelevant. So I have a
lot of people who call like, hey, I want to
drop the charges.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
He's in jail. You can't drop it. You don't have
a power to drop charges.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
See. I don't believe in taking money out the pot either.
I see that happen a lot. You know. You got
this guy and this girl, they have a dispute. She
calls the police. The weaponize the police and against her
her guy and the next thing, you know, she's trying
to bail him out of jail. She's taking money out
the pot to bail him out of their pot to

(22:09):
bail him out of jail. Now their future is in limbo,
not because they can't get along or they have not
had the ability to reconcile, but because the state has
picked it up. The state, who cares about you, cares
nothing about you or him, picked it up because they

(22:29):
see a w they want to win.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And it's not really that it's a balancing test because
they do have they do have to balance the protection
of the city, the citizens of the state of Texas.
So what I'm saying is this too. It's like, Okay,
she wants this done. But now he's been removed from
the house. It could be his lease, but she's living there.

(22:56):
He's removed from the house the first of the month.
Is it is right here right now? He can't pay
the rent, you know, he can't go to work.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's just it's a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
There's a lot of collateral consequences that come with people
not actually deliberating.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
And thinking about what they're doing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
And then once you're in the system, once that arrest happens,
whether or not the case gets dismissed, that arrest now
you're in the system.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
And say, for instance, if you have if.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
You have a dw I, it could have it could
be dismissed, or you might be on probation. But anytime
you get pulled over, they're gonna see, hey, he got
a DWI last year. It's ten o'clock tonight, nine times
out of ten he's been drinking, So now let me
start that investigation. And so that that's when you have
people with multiple d wis. So I mean, that's just

(23:50):
where we are with it.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, it's kind of like, that's a good point that
you made about how they look at your history, because
it's the same thing with driving with a clean record.
Like I have a clean driving record. I haven't always
had a clean driving record. So in the past, if
I got pulled over, they're looking for this, this, that,
and the third. But once I clean my record up

(24:15):
and I fought every time. Every time I got a
speeding ticket or whatever type of traffic ticket I would get,
I fought it and I got it off my kept
it off my record. Now when I get pulled over,
I get the benefit of doubt because I have a
clean driving record, yep. And so the same thing happens.
If they see that, you know, they, like you said,

(24:38):
they get behind you and they running those plates and
they see, oh, you got too drunk, too drinking and driving.
Oh he probably drunk right right about now. Let me
pull him over exactly. And if they follow you long enough,
you're going to commit a traffic infraction. Yeah, if they
follow you long enough.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
You're driving too slow.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, driving too fast right limit. I didn't know that
they could. That could be suspicious. Actually driving the exact
speed limit could be suspicious.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
You failure the turn signal, the light on top of
your license plate went out.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Like it's just any it's just anything.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
And so to me, I just don't believe in again
weaponizing a system, even with parents. Parents do it to
their own children. You know, you know, Tyron is out
of hand. I'm tired of him.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Next time, I'm going to call the police.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
And then it's just like, you know, I let him
sit in there and you know, let him learn his lesson.
But it's just like now you have started this cycle
that anytime something happens, he's going.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
To be the one that's going to get arrested.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
And so when you say criminal history, that's one thing
I hate is like the fact that your criminal history
can be used against you in the way that it does.
Because what is the purpose of me paying my debt
to society if you're gonna continue to just bring it
up and throw it in my face?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
It's kind of like buying a car and forever paying
a car note, Like, damn, I was supposed to pay
this car I paid his car, you know, last year,
But here we are, y'all still sending me invoices to
pay this car note. Like I've already paid the car off.
You want me to continue? Oh, I pay that car

(26:27):
off fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, but y'all still
sending me invoices to pay the note. Y'all still telling
me that I'm behind on payments.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, it's bad, But don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I'm not saying everybody who's caught up in the criminal
justice system is innocent.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
But sometimes it's just like y'all can't just give people warnings.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, what they do they do? They just pick and
choose who they're gonna get that one to two.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
They got a latitude, just like judges. They have a
lot of latitude, and I personally think that they have
too much. I think the judges have too much latitude.
I think the police have too much latitude. They get
to decide, well, you know what, I'm gonna give you
a break, you know what you're going in. It all
depends on a lot of latitude, depends on attitude, and

(27:19):
a lot of times, and a lot of times it
depends on their skin color. You know. Yeah, let's say,
God forbid, I'm involved in a criminal case. I go
to court on the first day. What should I expect?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Do you have a lawyer or not?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm broke?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Okay, So if you go in, like I said before
my video, you're gonna go in. You're gonna speak to
the judge. The judge, may it monitor your video on Instagram? Yes,
so the judge is gonna pretty much admonish you. So
depending on what kind of case, If you have a DWI,
the judge is gonna to figure out was it a
drug DWI or was it you know, alcohol, So the

(28:04):
judge may say, hey, you're gonna get Depending on what
your BAC was. We're gonna get you a breathalyzer, deep
lung device that you have to blow into inside of
your car. You might have to do random your analysis.
You may have to do a few drug classes. This
is all why you're just on bond.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
You can't have your firearm, you can't pick up any
new cases. The issue what happens with with bond is
the longer you're on bond, the more your risk is exposed.
Because you're on bond for a DWI. So if you're
driving your car and you get pulled over, like I said,
they're automatically gonna suspect that you probably are driving under

(28:49):
the influence again, right, Or they're gonna just make sure
you have your breadth lodge of device you're in a
car that has a breathalyzer. Or they're gonna make sure
the person you're riding with, the woman that y'all don't
have a protective order in place and you're violating that.
They just look for different things to I feel like,

(29:11):
bring you back to jail. That's why I said probation,
all of that bond, all that stuff is just slow
walks back to jail. You know, what I'm saying. And
so the longer you're on bond there there's people what
people don't understand. People are on bond two three years.
The dockets are backed up. Especially with COVID happening, we
were already backed up. So if you're on bond and

(29:33):
you pick up another case in a different county or
something like that, right back in jail, and then a
case that I was working on getting dismissed, they taking
that offer off the table.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
So it's a lot that goes into it.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
But for your first seting, just to get back to
your point is they'll ask you whether or not you
want an attorney. If you can't afford an attorney, they'll
appoint an attorney for you, or if you need time
to hire an attorney, they'll let you and they just
reset the case and then the your case goes on.
It's just a number of resets intil your case gets resolved.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Has there ever been a time where you had a
case that took such an emotional toll on you where
you had to step back to protect your energy.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
No, not really, because at this point in time, I
kind of cherry picked my cases in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
In the beginning when God career heaven error.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yes, so, yes, yes I have, but it wasn't to
the fact that I had to withdraw from the case.
It just showed me that these are the type of
cases that I really don't want, and so I just
don't take them right right.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Would you take a case that involved, I guess, a
client that had to snitch on a dangerous person? What
do you think about snitch culture?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
First of all, snitch on a dangerous person. People aren't
really that dangerous anymore. I kind of came up in
a time and a place where there were certain consequences
for people who did.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Snitch or rat or tell.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
And then I also grew up in a time where
people kind of were stand up guys like, hey, I'm
you know I did this.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I'm the one who got caught. And that's just it.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Nowadays, I mean, everybody's telling on everybody.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's just really not worth it.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
I mean, if you're gonna commit a crime, you might
as well do it by yourself, because people are just
not holding up the way they used to. So to me,
it's just it's not even worth it at all. And
my business partner, she had a client the other day
and he was ready to tell on everybody, and he

(31:56):
hadn't even gotten a recommendation from the State of with
the punishment was gonna be. And I was just like, geezh,
tell God on Jesus, like, what's going on here? It's
just very pervasive.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Do you ever recommend that your client snitch?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I don't recommend it. No, but I.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Will if it's part of a plea negotiation that they
want to take. I have to buy law let them know, like, Hey,
the state wants to give you this, but exchange in
exchange for it, you're gonna have to give them this.
And if they stipulate, it's gonna be in the paperwork.
So I mean, I can't judge at this point. I'm

(32:44):
just trying to get my client the best and the
most fair punishment that's possible. You know, he's gonna people
gonna preserve themselves. I mean, that's the first law of nature,
you know.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Have you followed the Young third case?

Speaker 5 (32:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Not really, not really, not at all, because only because
the way that I follow things. Sometimes I watch the news,
sometimes I'm on social media, and a lot of times
those those outlets have inaccurate information. Again, it's biased information.
It's it's information that's just leaning toward one side, and

(33:19):
we don't know what all discovery the state has what
they're presenting. So I just try to work on my
own cases. I have enough cases of my own, enough
discovery of my own that I have to watch that.
I really don't care about what's going on with these rappers.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I mean, you know, if it's yeah, yeah, you know,
AI has been taken over. All of these industries have
been affected by AI, and one way or the other,
how has it affected the law industry?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Well, I did see where somebody just got reprimanded by
using a motion where AI created precedents. So all the
cases that were in the Yeah, all the cases that
were in the lawyer's file were made up cases. And
so he kind of from what I heard, he kind

(34:17):
of got reprimanded by the judge because I mean, that's
just lazy lawyer.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
That seemed like that should be grounds for taking his certification.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I mean, yeah, that's g I mean, I don't know
if it's that harshses. Well, he didn't make up the cases.
G GTP made up the cases, But what he didn't
do was his due diligence. Because I think AI is
going to be a source.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
You know you.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
If you don't get on it now, you're gonna be
on the others, on the wrong side of history. So
you might as well use it to your advantage. But
don't abuse it. Don't make your whole case be based
on something you didn't even read over yourself. If that's
like letting a junior or an intern work a case
for you and you're just presenting it like it's yours.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
If you let an intern work your case, you should
be dismissed.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Why an attorney is one person turns work on everything.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, what about a murder case?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
There are certain aspects, there are certain aspects of a
murder case that an intern can be useful for.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
That's true research, yeah, research, But but you can't you
can't use an intern to argue.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean, I'm not gonna write it now. Interns can
write briefs and memos and motions and stuff like that.
It's still the attorney that has to sign that motion
and adopt that motion, is it is though?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
It's theirs? So yes, they do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, but what about arguing the case?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
And now, no, you can't, No, you can't argue the
case because quite naturally, they're not gonna they're not gonna
have to Well, first of all, they're not the attorney record,
you know what I'm saying, So that's going to be
something different. But I feel like for me to get
up and are you emotion before the court, it has
to have something. It has to have my stamp, my

(36:12):
personality on it. Because that's like if I read a
speech right now, if you wrote it, I'm gonna read
it with a different type of tenacity than if I
wrote it and I feel it in it's mine, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
How much do you litigate?

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I haven't been in trial in a few months. I
sat with someone in that case ended up getting dismissed
on the trial day, and then my last trial it
got dismissed day trial.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah. Yeah, do your family members try to get you
to represent them for free?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I don't have a lot of family here.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Or yes, but you know I charged my daddy.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, you charged your own daddy.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
My mama made me do it. Why does she make
you do He was just like, we're not even.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
He was one of my first cases actually when I
got out of law school, and she was like, no,
we're gonna we're gonna do this right, you're a licen's attorney.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Everybody, you know, he would have had to pay somebody else.
He needs to pay you.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I would pay my daughter, you know, my daughters.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, my daughter's going to law school too in August.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Its beautiful, Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, I would. You know,
I pay my daughter. You know, I paid. She works
for a firm right now, so she can't represent me,
but you know, I don't know how long she'll be there,
but you know, like I would absolutely pay my daughter,
you know, top dollar.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
I was just I was just so glad that he
chose me and he trusted me, and I worked that case.
So I still end up getting him deferred adjudication because
he was there was just nothing I could do.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
You know what I'm saying, If we.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Defer adjudication is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, it's as close as that as a diversion
as you can.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah, I mean, but he did what he did, and
there was you know, facts are tricky things, you know,
and bodycam is another tricky thing. So it was just
you know, I couldn't I couldn't expose him to trial
because I knew he was gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
So yeah, now do you Uh. There's a lot of
talk in the black community about the talk. The talk
meaning this conversation that black parents have to have with
their children in relation to dealing with the police when
they're acoustic by the police or pulled over in traffic
by the police. What their mannerism should resemble? What do

(38:34):
you tell? What have you told your children about the police?
The talk?

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I tell my children the same thing that I put
on a lot of my videos. The thing is is
you can talk, and you can talk, and you can talk,
until you are faced with that type of authority, you
really don't know what you're gonna do, especially if you
are somehow wrong in a situation. Because we have been

(39:02):
conditioned to respect different levels of authority, right, and so
when we get nervous, you know, our you know, flight
or flight instincts kick in, and so sometimes I can
knowledge is only power if you actually act upon it. Right,
So I can tell you all day long, don't talk

(39:23):
to the police.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I got pulled over going to one of my favorite
brunch spots and he's like, where you had it. I'm like, Graces,
I didn't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
That's my spot.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
I didn't have to do that, you know what I mean,
But because I felt like I ain't doing nothing wrong,
you know. But that question leads to another question, and
then another question, and then another question, and then now
we're separating you from your friend to make sure y'all
stories are the same. Then when it's not the same,

(40:00):
they're bringing the dogs out because it's suspicious. It's just
a lot of things that happen. So I just try
to tell my children, like, hey, don't do this, stay calm,
call me, put your phone on record. But that's a
lot of things to think about. When an officer is

(40:20):
right there breathing down your neck.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, you may not have time to call mom or
dad because you know, and you don't want to come
off like you're reaching for someone. You know, like they
see you're reaching for something. They will open fire on
a black person.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
But that's why I said, when they light you, when
they first light you up, that's what you need to
be recording or on the phone with somebody, letting them
know what's happening where you are, turning on your location,
sending your location things like I that's like the biggest
thing my daughter will tell you. I'm not even so
much worried about my daughter because I have twins.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
But when my son is out.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
And he tells me he's getting pulled over, I'm trying
to get out of my bed and go to where
he is, as opposed to just listening on the phone,
because I have to make sure it is right. He
gets pulled over far more than my daughter does. And
I just always wonder what it is.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Black males, I mean black males in public enemy number
one in the United States of America, Like it don't
matter who do more killing and more raping and more
breaking the law. You know, we're on default with public
enemy number one, And so we have a different set
of experiences in this country, particularly when dealing with the police.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
So when I spoke at I spoke at my law school.
I went to South Texas and you know that's you know,
predominantly white school. And when I was talking about the experiences,
like what would I tell my people to do when
they counter police officer, they kind of looking at me
like that's kind of you like selling out. We know

(42:07):
our rights, we have rights, and we can do this,
and we can say that. And I'm like, yeah, you
can ask the officer like what the aff did you
pull me over for? Like it's you see that a
lot on social media where they just really handle police
officers and get treated kindly and fairly. I tell my son, listen,
if you don't do nothing else, you better just do

(42:32):
what the officers is and we can deal with that later,
because I want you to come home.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's a scary thing about dealing with the police and
just moving into society. And this black skin is that
when you talk to these different people in different cultures,
especially people in law school. Like I remember speaking at
U of Aged law school about maybe twenty years ago

(42:58):
or so, and I was telling them about my experience
in America, specifically Houston growing up, and they were looking
like like they couldn't believe it, like it was unbelievable,
like I was an alien or something. It was a
total different experience from them. And this is why. And

(43:20):
people keep in mind, these are lawyers. These are supposed
to be people that are smarter than the average person.
They're supposed to have a little bit more worldly knowledge
than everybody else. These are lawyers representing human beings. These
are people who are supposed to have a certain level
of education when it comes to sociology, and these people

(43:42):
have no clue about the experience that black people face
in the United States of America. And these people are
going into the courtrooms prosecuting, judging, and representing black people.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, they have judges on the bench criminal cases who've
never practiced criminal law. I think the best thing that
could have ever happened to me was me actually growing
up in the hood to do the practice that I'm practicing.
Growing up in the hood and seeing these things happen,
and then having some experience and going to law school

(44:19):
ten years after I graduated undergrad so that was more
experience that I had. There's people who are going to school,
and they should do that, because that's what I encourage,
you know, children to do, is to go straight through.
But you really don't learn a lot of life experiences
by doing that. You are very educated, but I think
that you look at things from rose colored glasses when

(44:43):
you don't have that type of experience and you're representing
people who come from a different socio economic background and
you don't understand why they do some of the things
that they do.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, you know, so that explains why some of these
people can be so heartless. I mean, how heartless do
you have to be to give a person seventy years
for stealing a snicker out of the store. Yeah, okay,
they got some prize, but in this particular instance, all

(45:17):
they did was still a sneaker. But they still a snicker.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
They don't.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
That's what I said. I feel like you can. You
should be able to look at a case for what
it is and look, yeah, you might have priors, but
how long ago are the priors?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
What I'm saying, is that person working right now?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
That person is the person married, It has the person
contributed to society, like there are so many things that
but again, it still goes back to your criminal history
and what you have accepted previously. And that's why I
feel a lot of you you would be surprised people

(46:00):
want their cases over, even people who are on bond
in the free world. They will tell me, I'm tired
of this case going on. I need this case to
be over, get me time served. I'm a business owner,
so it's just like, Okay, you're a business owner, but
you're twenty two, you know what I mean, So who's
to say you're not going to get in trouble again,

(46:21):
or who's to say somebody's not going to pull your
record and your business explodes and they're like, hey, I
don't want to work with you.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
You know, you.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Got this robbery case or this theft case from when
you were seventeen or eighteen, and it just sprowls out
of control, you know what I mean. People just a
lot of people don't care about their criminal record. They
don't because you don't. You don't appreciate it until you
don't have it anymore. You know, you're filling out an
application for an apartment, you know that you're gonna get it.

(46:51):
A person who has an assault on their their background
or a drug case, they're not getting that apartment. They're
getting in somebody else's name. And so that's when you
really open up your eyes and realize, like, Okay, they
got one over on me because I have all this
stuff on my record and then they're calling me trying
to get it expunged and it ain't coming off.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, Or who's to say that? You know, who's to
say you want to be falsely accused? You know, because
you in your mind you can say, well, I ain't
gonna get in trouble again anyway, And so I'm just
gonna take this case and get it over with it.
This just resolved to stay. And you know, sometimes there
are people who know that know your past, know you

(47:33):
have a past, and they'll accuse you of something, knowing
that they about to make your life a living hell.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
People get falsely accused all the time, and it's not
always on purpose, it's just on accident. You are an
average built black male with a black T shirt on
the ball head.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
How many people you think are walking around like you?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
We don't think all black people look alike, but black
people think other cultures look like I might think a
lot of white people look like you. Don't think they
think we look like.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
They do?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
You know, So it's your eyes can deceive you, and
all it takes is an allegation for you to be arrested.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
That's it. Why is it so hard to prosecute police officers?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I think it has a lot to do with the
immunity and things like that. Inherently, people just want to
believe that police officers are good people.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I think, you know, there's a very weird thought process,
and that's my own little conspiracy theory about a person
who actually wants to be a police officer. I want
to talk about it, but I have a little thing
about police officers that I just police socer.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I would never date one, I would never marry one.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
That's just not my thing, you know what I'm saying,
because it's to me, there's a certain level of thought
that will go into you want to choose that as
a career. It's no slight on police officers, because there
are good police officers.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I watch body.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Camp all the time, probably more than the average person
would know. I've seen how they conduct their procedures, and
a lot of them are above board. But when I
see it go wrong, it goes really wrong, you know.
And a lot of times they just they're not up
to date on what the law is.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
They really don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Some people are new and rookies, so they don't really
know what they can and can't do, so they just
do it. And then you're in jail. They don't care anymore. Yeah,
your case may be dismissed. That's after a year that
you've been you know, fighting a case. It doesn't matter
to them, but your life has been completely overturned.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, what's that mindset you're alluding to, that mindset that
makes someone wants to be a police officer.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
But it's just I don't I'm not trying to get canceled.
I just it's just a certain person. There's certain people
you can do jobs.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
It's some that that is some, it's some, not all,
but for those some, I mean, sho feit wad what's
that mindset?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, I mean listen, just like there's different industries.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
People become lawyers because they, you know, are interested in
just and being fair and things like that. And you
see it throughout my throughout my life. You know, you
we talk all the time, and you you you know
that I'm a naturally curious person.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I ask a lot of questions stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
And so there's a certain personality that good teachers have,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
And you can see what type of person a good
teacher is, you.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Know what I'm saying. A lot of officers just I
don't know, they just have a certain personality they do
and I mean, I like a superiority.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
That is that is that is yeah, because it is
what it is. And I do salute the ones out
there who are good I really do know some good
police officers. I mean I know them personally, really really
good dudes somewhere in my family. Uh. But those other
there are those, and they all attest to it. The
good police officers will attest there are those who are

(51:38):
on the force who have a chip on their shoulder
because they wasn't shipping school. You know, they wasn't ship
growing up in the neighborhood. They didn't get the girls.
Nobody cared about what they thought. Now all of a sudden,
they got a badge and a gun and authority, and man,
they're gonna remind you every single day when they put
that badge one, they put that gun on, they put

(52:01):
that holster on, they put that vest on. They feel
like Superman and it's world shut. They like to holler
at you. I guess they get trained to say. They
get trained to talk loud, you know, to assert themselves.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Put it down, you shut up right now.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
They like to talk real, real, live. They like to
make sure that their voice is projected. I'll just be
waiting on somebody to talk like. They give them that
same type of image, like.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
No, you shut up.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
What's your name?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Officer?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Who they do that?

Speaker 5 (52:45):
What department.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Are you want they do do that? I see it
all the time, it happens.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
But there needs to be more police officers, more good ones,
were good ones.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah, we got it. We got a shortage of good
police officers. How do we fix that?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Would you encourage more people to go?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
We absolutely need more black people to become police officers.
And I know that some of you guys who are
police officers right now, y'all get a bad rap because
of you know, you're working within the system that is
that it's made really that was that was built on
destroying us. It's built on making sure that we get

(53:32):
over sentenced and persecuted, prosecuted. I got it, you know.
But there are people out there that respect what y'all do,
the good ones. I'm talking to the good ones, only
the good ones. Only the rest of you. Motherfuck but
you you're dirty, low down bastards. But you know, I
would I would employ those people out that might be

(53:58):
on the fence or whatever, may not necessarily know what
you want to do to become police officers, because you know,
and you know, police officers make a pretty decent living also,
and most police officers do not have to deal with
a bunch of a tension every single day they don't
have to deal with. And most police officers are never
going to have to pull their gun out in their

(54:19):
entire career. They won't even have to pull a gun
on somebody in their entire career. But it's a trip
to how how the bad police officers do pull their
guns out often. Uh, And they're like a microcosm of society,
of society because the majority of people in each culture

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you know, and each ethnicity group, it's there. The bad
side is only like a small percentage. I'm talking about
the ones who uh just commit crimes and wreak havoc
on the neighborhood and society at large. It's a small
percentage who commit most of the times. And uh, that's
how it is with something this this police, these police,

(55:05):
the policing. The majority of these guys who do the most,
it's a small it's a small percentage, but that small
percentage is responsible for ruining life. They kill people, They
actually take people's lives, they give They are responsible for

(55:26):
people spending the rest of their lives in prison. They
uproot families, they destroy families, They destroy human beings lives,
and so their jobs. Are their jobs are more consequential
than others. Yeah, you know, the things that they do,
the step that they take uh two uh to do

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their job oftentimes ruin other people's lives.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
There's I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
The thing is is there's bad apples in every industry,
you know what I mean. So I don't want to
make it seem like, you know, it's all bad because
we need all we need police officers. We definitely need them,
you know, to provide law and order. Yeah, we need
good police or to be done in decency, in being
fair and and not policing out of fear because I

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think the biggest issue with policing and over policing and
black neighborhoods is the fact that they're just so afraid
of black men.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
See, I don't I don't think that they're afraid. Here's
why I think that. Here's why I don't think they're afraid,
because they sign up for it. They sign up to
go to the hood them motherfuckers, be at them motherfuckers
being high school. Like I'm going to be a police officer.
I'm going to go to the academy, and I want
to work the black neighborhood because the black neighborhood. I'm

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going to the poor black neighborhood. I'm going to be
able to violate people's rights. I'm gonna be able to
steal dope, I'm gonna be able to sexually assault people.
I'm gonna be able to abuse people and harm people,
and I'm not gonna have to pay any penalty.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
I don't think that there's a lot of people's life's
goal thinking about in high school to recavoc on the
black community.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Not a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
But when I say they fear us, is there's a certain.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Level of violence that is associated with something happening between
black men. Right, So if you see two white men
arguing in a restaurant, you just look at them, maybe
take your phone out.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Hispanics, Asians.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
But it's something about when two black men are having
an altercation, you know how ugly it can get, you
know what I mean. And so if we know that
about each other, not saying it's everybody, but they just
come in with a certain level of fear, and they

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also want.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
To get home to their families too, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
So I'm not saying it's all of them, but there
is a level of fear that they have.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think their level of fear has more to do
with our potential to be successful human beings, to be good,
decent people, to have a good life and a good family.
That's their level of fear. Their fear of being having
violence perpetrated against them. They don't fear that because they

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got the guns and they got the posse. They're the
biggest gang in America. They got the guns, they got
the possible, they got the guns, they got the vest,
they got the gang, they got the authority, they got
the backup by the government, the most one of the
most powerful governments in the world. Them motherfuckerus don't fear
us physically. They do not fear us because they got

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all the goddamn.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Pod Understand, you could have power, but a lot of
times the person who's most afraid will shoot.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
But my point is, I'm saying them bitches come in
the game trying to kill black men. They want to
kill black people. They want to harm, they want to
hurt black people. They look down on black people. They
want to come. When they come to the academy, they
don't want to go work. I'm not saying, of course, oh,

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I'm talking about them, low down, low frequency motherfuckers. They
come into the game wanting to work the black neighborhoods
because they know that it's going to be little to
know oversight. They know that they can commit crimes against
the people in those communities and those crimes will go unchecked.

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They come in the neighborhood I live in currently, that
shit ain't happening. That's gonna get shut down day one.
When I roll through my neighborhood and I see the police,
they do like this. And mister Dennis, when I was
growing up, do you know, I never had an instance

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where the police was polite to me. The police never
spoke to me. All the years, my eighteen years growing
up in the hood, I never see the police was
never friendly. The police was always very aggressive. They always
had either a stoic look or a mean look. And
the only time I would see them laughing is laughing

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when they would laugh at black people's pain. And maybe
that was a body on the ground and they were
over there cracking jokes about something or whatever. I don't
know how you laugh when people are grieving, but they
find a way to do it. The only time I
would see them they would they never spoke. It was
like they have a US against them mentality. That's why

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them hoes don't need to be working in our communit unities.
They don't really need to be working anywhere, but especially
where black people live. They should not be there because
they're not for the people. If you you should not
work in any community that you're not a part of.

(01:01:18):
If you're not part of that community, you shouldn't You
should not be able to work there. You should not
be able to benefit from that community if your ass
don't live there. That's my thoughts, especially when it comes
to policing. But it's got to be a broader discussion
because just saying that white officers should not work in

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black communities is not enough because they could still kill
black people when black people cross that line. As soon
as they cross that track, cross that bridge, you know,
past that light, now they're fair game. They're still fair game.
So the goal should be to get rid of these
police officers who are basically clan members. They come in

(01:02:05):
and they got a chip on their shoulder when it
comes to black people. Think about so many people that
you've seen on the internet. I'm sure you're on the
internet a lot, and you see a lot of comments
and stuff that people make. A lot of people make
disparaging comments about black people. Those people become police officers oftentimes.

(01:02:29):
So my point is that there's no that's really it's
almost like it's not almost like I personally believe that
they have decided that, yo, we need to hire these
type of cops so that they can harm black people.

(01:02:52):
I think that there is a movement all over America
when you want to be a police officer, Oh you
don't like black people. Oh you come on, then you
can be the dumbest basket in the world. You can
be slow as hell. You ain't gotta probably even pass test.
Your only test. I sometimes believe the only damn test
is that you don't like black people. That's how you
become a police officer. And what's up with the so

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called good police officers who allow these dudes to do
what they do. You ain't done nothing, you ain't hit nobody,
you ain't violated nobody, but you was Dare you stood by.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Their acquest to it? If they don't do anything?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Oh, you know, maybe maybe that's something that AI can
help with in policing and and things like that. You know,
who knows, because at the end of the day, I
agree with your saying, but how are we going to
change it, because there's no way to legis. We could
make laws and all that kind of stuff, but you
can't legislate a person's heart. If they don't like black people,

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if they don't like brown people, and they are going
to perpetuate that to their next generation, the next generation,
the next generation, how are we going to ever overcome it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So it's two ways. One one, uh, you hold them accountable.
They they have to be held accountable. That's number one.
That that that would be the most you know, silvil
way to deal with it. They held accountable for their
actions through the courts. You know, you do this, you

(01:04:19):
get this, you do this, you get this. Ain't no
more passes just because you're a police officer. You know
you're gonna get the business just on just like black
like black like, they hold black officers accountable. Black officers
get held accountable when they get when they own the bullshit,
when they when they crossed that line. Remember Mohammed Moore

(01:04:40):
out of uh was it what's uh state with? I
think it was Arizona somewhere I can't remember. But the
black officer who killed the woman from Australia, Remember she called.
She called the police. Police shows up at our house
and the cop she walks up to the cop car

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and and the black officer shoots her from the passenger seat.
He got spooked. He didn't know what it was, so
he put a gun shot. Well that's the woman who called, y'all,
and he killed her. And they didn't have to do
no marching, wasn't no protestant, wasn't no boy gotten. They
simply ran his ass straight through the system, gave him

(01:05:26):
a twenty year sentence. First of all, fired him real
quick like this gave him a twenty year sentence, gave
her family a bunch of millions of dollars, and that
case was over. I think they came back and reduced
his sentence later, but they straight up railroad to him.
It's like, oh, no, you do this. They know how
to hold black officers accountable. That's why you don't see

(01:05:48):
I think one of the biggest reasons why you don't
see black officers commend as many crimes as you see
against the people as you see white officers doing, because
black officers know they're gonna be held the countable, so
you hold them accountable first and foremost you know, through
you know, through the legal system. But then the other

(01:06:09):
one I can't really talk about. But y'all know what
the fuck I'm talking about. You dig what I'm saying.
I mean because that and that that always work. Because
I'm gonna tell you something that I know about America
my time living here. America don't really respect nothing but
blood and violence. I mean money, money, money and violence.

(01:06:32):
You know, money and blood. That's it. That's all America
really respect. If you want somebody get get somebody off
your ass, and you want to get somebody's attention, talk
about some some some blood you know, or some some money.
You're gonna get their attention just like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I agree with you, and I think two things can
be true at the same time. But I think that
largely what people see are these major cases that go on.
It really starts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
On those small, low level cases where you're not gonna
be able to actually see, uh, discrimination happen, even with
a body cam, just officers being nasty to people. I
think it starts there, pulling people over, pulling one certain

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type of group of people over more than you do others.
I think that there should be auditing in place of
what officers do yearly, how many people they arrest, what
the demographics are with the reason with the outcomes where
charges filed on this group, was it dismissed against this group?
So of course with consequences and repercussions, But we have

(01:07:45):
to get to the bottom of like who this person
is as an individual, how do they treat people? Because
they are supposed to be community servants, correct, and most
people just fear officers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Or just a them at all costs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
When these are the people we're supposed to be able
to walk up to and shake their hand and tell
them thank you and things like that. But as far
as those major ones where people whereas police shootings, that's
when it's it's too far gone when it comes down
to that, these officers, a lot of them are nasty

(01:08:25):
in a way that people don't understand. When we as
lawyers are watching body camp, it's just like, you didn't
have to slam this person on the car, You didn't
have to make them lay down on their stomach in
the road and rain. Why did you do that? What
was the point of that? And it happens a lot,
and that's stuff that y'all you know, regular people don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
See, I got the answer the reason why they do it,
because they're uncivilized, much uncivilized. Only an uncivilized mutt would
do something like that. And I'll take it even further,
an uncivilized high on crack, cocaine, meth, peels alcohol mut.

(01:09:14):
That's who do that. These uncivilized MutS, And they all
over the place. They're all over the place, and even
when they get caught up, they still get the benefit
of doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
But I just want you to know too, just just
in all fairness, the black ones are just as bad too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
No no, no, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Proportionally they're not well there, Proportionally there's less black that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
That's But that's why I said proportionally because if you
look at if you look at if you take all
the black officers, and you take the percentage of black
officers who overstep their their their their their their authority,
who stretch their authority and blow people's heads off, and
ship you compare that to the white officers who blow

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black folks heads off. It's very, very, a very small
percentage of that get down like that, you know. So
let's keep in mind that there is a difference between
the black how black officers operate and white officers operate.
Because I can tell you this, when I get pulled
over by a black officer, I am a whole lot

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more conference, a whole lot more at ease than if
I get pulled off at a white by white officer.
When I get pulled off at by a black officer,
it's more like I'm getting pulled over by an officer,
a cop, right, just a cop. He's a black cop.
I'm more at ease. But when I get pulled over
by a white boy, it's like, I hope this motherfucker
ain't the one who got it on his mind. See,

(01:10:48):
I gotta think, like, as a black man, this is
the and every black man listening to me know what
I'm talking about. As a black man, when a white
officer or even these days are hispanic officers sometimes pull
you over, you gotta think, is this the one who
got it on his mind? Because some of them come

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to the police force with that on their mind. They
joining the police office, they're joining the police department so
that they can kill black people in particular. That's a reality.
It is, that is a reality. Uh So you know,

(01:11:32):
we got two options. That's what it is. You know,
That's that's what it is. I'm just saying that, you
know it, you got accountability on one side, and you
got you know, you got you know, blood, and then
you got money. You know what I'm saying. That's what
it is. You know. Like, so that's not a foreign concept,

(01:11:57):
you know. I mean, that's how you you know, and
a America, that's how you keep people off your ass.
You know, that's that's not a foreign concept at all.
And even the cops out there that's listening know what
I'm talking about. It's not a foreign concept. You know,
the first law of nature self preservation. But you're gonna
do just sit around, just let somebody violate you in

(01:12:18):
yours You just gonna take the violation and just keep
on moving just because the law said this or that.
It's kind of like just allowing your child to run
over you just because the law say you can't put
your hands on them, you can't discipline in a certain
way or whatever. Nah, if you gonna come in here
and raise them, if you're gonna pay for this tuition,

(01:12:41):
you know, if if you gonna buy these clothes and
put provide the roof you know, and the utilities, and
you're gonna get them all these nice things that they want,
and you're gonna sit here and coach and teach and
preach and counsel and love and God. Then Okay, I
listened to what you got to say, But until then,

(01:13:04):
kick rock, sucker, I ain't trying to hear none of that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
I mean, I know it's funny that you say that,
but I have a lot of assault cases with parents
against their children too, So I don't I don't know
if they took that approach to tell the police officers
to kick Rocks, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
They definitely went through the process of going to jail
and have you know assault of a child on that record.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Well, but there are there are and I'm glad you
mentioned that because there are parents out there who do
assault their children. And I think that there's a difference
between discipline and abuse me too, you know what I'm saying.
So if it's disciplined, you know, I'm with the parent,
But if it's abuse, you know, I'm with the system.
I'm with the people, you know, because I'm with the child,

(01:13:47):
because you know, if you are putting hands on your
child to the extent where you're breaking skin. Your child
requires medical attention. Nah, Pardoner, that ain't abuse. I mean
that ain't that ain't discipline. That's abuse, and your ass,
your ass should be in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I don't believe in what soft parenting?

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Soft parenting? Uh, what do you mean by soft meaning.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
No physical discipline?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I think that you can physically discipline a child early
on if you if you do it the right way. See,
you have to invest in the outcome, you know, like
you're raising human beings and you have to think to yourself,
nobody really loves somebody that puts their hands on them.

(01:14:41):
You know, you got to think about what the meaning
of that when you put hands on a human being.
When kids are very small, you can little tap here,
tap that, or mind you don't stick your hand or
that that's gonna harm you. You tap them so they
don't hurt themselves, right you. Oftentimes you correct them so

(01:15:02):
that they don't hurt themselves. The tap is to correct them, right,
It's not to make you feel better. Oftentimes parents beat
their children, put hands on their children, swing on their
children because they lost their temper. They're being childish, they're mature.
They really don't supposed to have children in the first place,

(01:15:22):
because they ain't fixed themselves. Before they brought another child
and human being into the world, they really wasn't qualified
to even have children, but they had children anyway, and
now they don't know what the hell to do when
they scream and they cry, they don't know that if
a child is crying most of the time, if it's
an infant, most of the time, the baby's going, it's

(01:15:43):
because the baby is wet, you know, the baby need
a change diaper, or the baby is hungry, you know.
And the next thing is perhaps the baby is ill,
so you take them to the hospital. You check that out.
Those three things check out. That's it. That's pretty much it.
So a lot of parents parents don't understand that, you know,
a lot of they don't understand that, hey man, crime

(01:16:04):
is part of the game when you're raising children, you know.
Like so when it comes down to putting hands on children,
you know, I think that it's a problem. If corporate
punishment is your first instinct, if that's your first go to,
if that's your primary go to, you are doing something wrong.

(01:16:26):
And if you're still hitting you're having to put your
hands on kids at fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. You've done
something wrong. You're doing something wrong. Now, I do know that.
At sometimes you ain't had no problems. You had no problems,
You had no problems in all of a sudden fifteen,
you know, he signing up football players, he's sizing up
the girls that he the guys that he's competing against
for girls and stuff like that, and he figured like,

(01:16:47):
if he can handle this guy, he probably can handle
daddy and all that. So I know those days come right.
I know that happens. But if physical punishment, it's your
first instinct with your child. When your child commits an infraction,
you're doing something wrong. And I just don't believe in
that shit. The most effective thing for most kids is

(01:17:09):
that you take something away from them, you take away
their privileges, and that I know worked for my kids.
For me, Look, I got enough ass whoopings for a
whole tribe, you know, a whole African tribe. I got
ass whoopings. It did not help. It didn't help. In fact,

(01:17:31):
when I went out and did certain things, I did
it because I felt like my mom, I don't care,
no way, I'm gonna get it. I get whoopings and
stuff for shit, I ain't even do you know. I
get beatings that I felt like I didn't deserve. I
get you know, you know, hit slapped or whatever. So

(01:17:56):
all that beatings and shit didn't do nothing to me.
It made me. Know what it made me do. It
made me go out and rec havoc on the community
they at large. Made me go out to the school
and recavoc on my schoolmates and classmates. That's what it
did to me. People talk about, well, you know today,
you know a lot of these kids they need ass whoopings,
because I'm sure there's a lot of money in these

(01:18:16):
comments right now going just yeah, they need to ass whoop,
they need to ask whip. But have you ever thought
thought that a lot of kids who are in detention
centers and who are doing time in prison right now,
who have been slaughter than the streets probably got their
ass whipped too much?

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Perhaps, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
You know, so, yeah, I do think that. I do
think that they're sometimes, you know, there's a time, but
as far as swinging on your child, putting your physical hands,
swinging on a kid, handling your child like there's somebody
in the streets that ain't it, calling your daughter a
bitch a hope, motherfucker. This nigga is talking to your child,

(01:19:07):
your child like that, like a person in the streets.
You're gonna get what you get. They gonna get you back,
sooner or later. You're gonna get it. You don't understand
it now because you ain't that smart. You ain't got
enough sense, you see, But they gonna get you back.
You're gonna get it one way or another, even if
they don't personally put hands on you, the way they

(01:19:29):
treat you, the way that they deny you access to
your grandchildren. Oh, you're gonna feel it. Sooner or later.
You're gonna feel it. Hey, let's let's let's switch gears
for me. Let's let's turn the corner and go to
the go to the civil side of things, the civil
side of it. Let's say I was involved in an

(01:19:55):
accident and I need an accident attorney. But what's the
first thing that I do And what's the first thing
that people typically do when they get in an accident.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
I mean, I think the first thing that they do
wrong is they get on social media and they say
they show the picture of the car if it's mangled
or whatever, and it's thank you. God, I walked away unscathed.
I'm walking, I'm dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
You can't give them no money now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Right two days later you got you're in the neck
race because at adrenaline had you pumping that you're alive,
and now you're hurt. You're really hurt, and you've been
on social media. You got to post up. And I
think that's one of the main things. I think a
thing that they don't do enough of is take enough pictures.

(01:20:48):
A lot of people, you're just you have a one
track mind. You're focused on your vehicle and what's going
on with your car, and you don't take a picture
of the whole scene so we can see what's going on.
I've gotten pictures from people and I don't even know
what part of the car it is. And so I
think that we have these beautiful things called smartphones and

(01:21:09):
we record almost everything, but when it comes down to situations,
people act like they're scared to take their phones out.
And a lot of times with car accidents, people are
afraid of, you know, because they've been having a lot
of road rage situations going on. So people don't even
want to get out of their cars anymore to assess
the damage, because now you're having an altercation with somebody

(01:21:32):
on the side of the road who could very well just.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Push you in the traffic, put out a gun in
shoot right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
So I think that if they just stay calm, know
where everything is, call their attorney, get the medical medical
treatment that they need, exchange information, make sure that if
they have witnesses, they stay on the scene. Let the
witnesses give their version of the facts. That's going to
support your version of the facts, because if you go,

(01:22:01):
if you don't wait for the police, you'll be surprised
at how people conjure up different stories when you could
clearly see what happened. You know, I had somebody who
told me that my client backed up into them. He
clearly ran into my client, and he told his insurance
company that my client backed into him rammed him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
So what's your viewpoint on gun control.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
I believe in our Second Amendment right to bear arms.
I have firearms in my house. I believe that their tools,
just like any other tool, well, you have to have
proper education. I think that you have to have proper training,
you have to know what's at stake when you have it,

(01:22:53):
and you just have to be overall responsible. In terms
of regulation, you can't regulate a criminal. Laws aren't for criminals.
Laws haven't stopped criminals from committing crimes since the beginning
of time. I think that it's people who are irresponsible
with some of the rights that they're given that we

(01:23:15):
have situations that we have, you know, just everybody is
not supposed to have everything. Now, in terms of us
just having open carry right now, I don't think there's
been a problem with it. It kind of was scary
at first because you think that it's just going to
be this lawlessness and these vigilantis just walking around with
firearms in their hands.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
But it's just it just hasn't been like that. I
believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Even convicted feelings should be able to restore their rights
and carry firearms because if I have a felony for
credit card fraud, what does that have to do with
me protecting myself?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
So that's just you know, my view on it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Yeah, going to what you said earlier, like I think
that you know, once you serve your time, your debt
is paid. Like like, let's say I don't care what
the crime is, I don't care what it is. If listen,
if you're gonna let me out of jail, give me
my rights. You know, if I'm that much of a criminal,

(01:24:20):
if that, if I'm if I'm a danger to society,
do not let me out. Don't let me out of jail.
If I'm a dangerous to society. But if I if
I'm let out of jail, if I'm released, I should
have all my rights restored. Give me, give me a
shot at getting it all the way right. Since I
have to steal a bide by the laws like everybody else,

(01:24:43):
I still got to pay my taxes like everybody else.
I still can't just drive reckless if I want to.
I can't drink a drive, you know, like if you're
gonna take my if you're not gonna treat me like
the rest of society, the rest of the citizens. If
I'm going to have my full rights restored, then I
should be able to drink a drive. I should be
able to just ride around shooting people and if I

(01:25:04):
want to, uh, I should be able to not have
to pay taxes. I'm treat me specially, like, give me
all a special treat The.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
Only pushback I would give you is the fact that
you just said earlier, what about that man who has
three different assault cases on his record. If you feel
that same way about him yourself, you have to feel
the same way about him whether or not he has
three convictions on his record, he gets out of prison,
he gets another sault case on his record, that still shit.

(01:25:33):
You should only judge him by the one that's before you.
So it's just like people often vacillate between you be
surprised at when we talk to jury's how people believe
that certain things should go for one way and certain
things should go another way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
They believe that if you're.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Sitting across from them at the table defending your case,
that obviously something must have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
You must have done something.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
If you don't testify your own trial, you must be
guilty of something. Because if I was being charged with something,
I'd want to tell my side of the story. So
people often go back and forth about what should happen
and what shouldn't happen, And usually when it when it
when they make it personal, then that's when they can
be fair.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Yeah, and when they when they do testify, they say, oh,
you think he's smarter than everybody else. He's trying to
testify to put a fast one on us. So you're
just like, you're damn it if you do damn if
you're don't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
I think you're damned if you get arrested.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Like just putting yourself in that cycle, not saying you
put yourself in that cycle, just being in that cycle period.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
It's just a tragic situation because I.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Know for a fact that there's sometimes where I know
my client didn't do something, but they just don't represent
vent themselves well. So I'm not about to let you speak.
You know, I tell the jury when I pick a jury.
Some people think, like if you look up and to
the left and you're thinking about your answer, that that

(01:27:13):
is indicative of a liar, right. But I had a
speech impediment growing up, and so sometimes I have to
stop and think of the word I need to say.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
That doesn't mean I'm trying to pull a fast one
on you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
That just means that I don't know what to say
at that particular moment, and I don't want it to
come off as a lie. So public speaking is probably
the one of the biggest fears that people have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
You do it quite well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
You probably would be an excellent witness in your own case,
but a lot of people just don't present themselves well
talking being judged, having a you know, state your case.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
People just don't do it well. They just really don't.
And so I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Is a big just not getting caught up in that
system like and having a go off all the way
going all the way that far. That's why I try
to keep my case dismissed on the front side.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, you know, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
First and foremost, don't let them capture you. Don't get
caught up in the system. That's first and foremost. Just
don't get caught up in the system at all. But
if you do, make sure you contact your nicol Western
because she is going to fight for you passionately.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Yeah, people don't understand how much good lawyers because there
are you know, bad lawyers. I'm a pretty young new lawyer,
and so I'm still trying to make, you know, a
great reputation for myself, provide you know, excellent service and
then doing a.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Great job with your cases. You get a reputation in
the courthouse.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
If you're just playing cases out, if you don't do
the work on a case, if all you're doing is
getting people time served, as opposed to actually looking at
the discovery and all that kind of stuff. You know,
I have clients I argue with all the time and
you're not Just be patient, Like, let me do what
I need to do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Just be patient.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
I want to get dismissals are better than fighting with
these people at trial. Just be patient.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
I run cases by other attorneys like, Hey, is this
what I need to be doing. It's a lot of
hours I think about cases at night. I'm researching stuff
at night. So it's a lot of stuff that lawyers
do outside of the money that you pay them, especially
if they really believe in a case, because your name
is tied to these cases, and so it's just like

(01:29:41):
you're in front of your peers presenting cases, so you
want to do a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Is it any easier for you as a lawyer to
represent your client when he's in the free world versus
being locked up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
It's easier because I'm going to have more access to
my client, being able to call my client if I'm
looking at something and it's not right, It's definitely gonna help,
as opposed to me having a schedule of time to
actually go down to the jail. And then sometimes some
attorneys don't see their clients until their next court date,
which could.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Be two months down the line.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
I don't want my person just staying in there, because
really they're accumulating time. So the next time I see them,
I could, you know, they could very well be eligible
to get out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
But who wants to do Like, jail.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Is not a good place. I go to visit the jail,
and I cannot stand doing that. So I can't even
imagine being in jail having questions for your attorney and
have to wait until the attorney comes to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Yeah. I've been in that situation, and have also been
in a situation where attorney is not returning my phone call.
And when you're locked up and your attorney is not
returning your phone call, they're not trying to visit or anything.
You're pretty much just in limbo. And man, it can
run your high, it can run you hot. I've seen

(01:31:03):
a few guys who when the attorney finally did show up,
they attack them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I mean it happens, And I mean when you're
in jail, nobody comes to see you enough, not your family,
not your girlfriend, not your kids, and definitely not your attorney.
You know, And a lot of times with people. Got
to understand, I don't know how much you paid your attorney.
I don't know how your attorney works, but.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Well that was one of those on the cheap that's
back when I didn't have none.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
You know, it's unfortunate that you have to stay in
custody for whatever you whatever your reason is, if you
couldn't get a bond and you couldn't bond out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
But my schedule doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
Permit me to come and see you every day or
however many times you want me to, because I also
have other cases.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
So that's another thing too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
When you're picking an attorney, you need to pick an
attorney who's going to have time for you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
If you're picking.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Somebody who has five hundred cases on their docket and
you don't want to deal with the associate or another
attorney you know, being put on your case, if you
don't want to deal with that, then you're going to
have to make arrangements to pay for that. Yeah, because
an attorney is one person. It can't be in all

(01:32:22):
these different counties all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Right right. That's a good point because when you know
those lawyers who run these meals, who have like five
hundred clients, a thousand clients. The name sounds good, it
sounds good, but how personal are they going to be
with you and your case? You know, and when you

(01:32:47):
are you're going through something. I don't care what it is.
You know in your mind, you know you are the
only client they have.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Yeah, And so that's why you have to know what
type of attorney is gonna match your attachment style.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
So, if you're super anxious and have anxiety and have
a lot of questions and you want to google what
your attorney says and then ask questions about what you
found on Google and all those kind of things, if
you have an attorney who does not have time for that,
then you are going to be often upset. Yeah, there's
some clients who just like, here's the money, handle your business,

(01:33:26):
let me know when I need to be in court
or whatever you need for me, and that's it. So
you just have to manage your expectations on that consultation.
I know, I'm not gonna be everybody's cup of tea.
You know, people already have in their mind like, hey,
I be saying our Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
She'd be out too much. Whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
You know, I need to I need a white boy
or I need this lady over here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
So I never care.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
When I'm not chosen to be somebody's attorney because I
don't like complaints. I know what I'm gonna do with
certain cases before I even start getting the discovery in
the case, and I know how it work, so I
know I don't need a person who's anxious who's gonna
always be calling me and want me. Now, if you
can call my office and my assistant and my paralegal

(01:34:16):
can give you the information you need.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
And that's that, then it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
But if you need me and a lot of people
want their attorney, it nothing sounds right unless it's coming
from my attorney's mouth to my ear, then that may
not be the attorney for you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
There's thousands of attorneys, you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Know what I'm saying, So you know, nobody's forcing anybody
to hire an attorney that you don't think is going
to put your case in their best interest, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Well said, ladies, and gentleman Jamika Western, thank you for
coming on, Michelle, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
You so much for having me. It's been a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Is that anything that you want to
leave the people with?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
And then you can call my office. Western Law Office
is two eight, one, three, nine, seventy eleven, seventy six.
If you have a criminal matter, if you have a
civil matter, even if you have a family matter. I
know a lot of family law attorneys, different laws, different
areas of practice that I don't take. It's better to
be referred by a lawyer that you trust to get

(01:35:25):
you the lawyer that you're going to be good with.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
So there you go. Well, I said, no more talk.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
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