New Orleans rap pioneer Mobo Joe stops by GBR to unpack his journey and legacy in New Orleans rap, early successes as a rap label, not getting the proper recognition over the years, coping with the death of a child and much more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yep, yep, gett boys is back and redod it all
in your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, now deep throating.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
This is for the streets, the real the railroaded, the distenfranchise, the.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Truth, escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak the truth,
so they quoted because we wrote it. The North South
East coaches the ge be mocked for keeping your head, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It ain't no.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Stopping and once to be drops head by then the
system is so corrupt they threw.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced to put
no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all ghetto boys in
the house back with another episode of information and instructions
to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world.
In the studio see Oh of Mobo Records. Joe Pain
(00:53):
aka Mobo Joe.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
On the rail on the rail, bab it out? What's
uping Mobo Joe in the building?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
A legend.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I see, I was I was gonna say your name,
but this is the first time somebody ever actually finished
their name for me.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, she took it over. Go ahead, any questions now,
I ain't.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Got no question in math. Is glad to be in
the building. Man, I'm almost famous. Ghetto Ball reloaded.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You're good. You're good with me? Man, you good? You
got it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You got a nice catalog, man, a nice record. You
got kind of a couple of records. Man, you got
a record in a couple couple of different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But it all started with the music, right, Mobile Records?
What do you did you start nineteen?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I dropped it on my first one to end the
nine and one, I dropped my first project.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So that's ninety one. And what was what's what group?
Was that?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That was the low level organization. And then you came
back with Rules Juveniles, and then you came came with
Doghouse po Yeah and that and all of that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Now you also had.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
A couple of bounced artists that you put out, but
you primarily Mobile Records is known for that gangster shit.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, I'm the one that introduced theang to all us? Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, And how does it feel to know that you
actually started that?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But your name ain't never mentioned?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I ain't talking about sometimes, man, I ain't never heard
nobody mention your name when they start talking about it,
except the people that know, no, they talk about it,
but I'm talking about as far as like in the
mainstream discussion. I hear cash money all the time. I
hear big boy, I hear you know, no limit. But
I never hear people talking about mobile. What's up with that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
That's just New Orleans man. I understand it because I'm
from New Orleans. I know New Orleans people are you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But my fans in the.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Street, the people in the streets, they keep me, you know,
going and stuff like that. I don't feel no type
of way when I heard you know what I'm saying,
because I know, like we don't really pull each other
up on that level. You know what I'm saying. But
I mean, I did. What I did is my story,
is my history. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
I did it. You know, Yeah, you did it, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Desire. You came up in the Desire Yeah, well from Harved, Louisiana.
You're from Harvey. Yeah you moved project, Yeah, well I did.
I did.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Right after my father died, I had me and my
first son, and I started dating his mother out of
the Desire Project. So then around that time I started
selling you know, a little dollar weeds. So me and
my mom had a discussion. Yeah, allegedly, So me and
my mom had a little discussion. And then that's when
I wind up moving to the Desire Project.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then at some point you had the idea to
start Mobile Records, Yes, Now what inspired that? What inspired that?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Easy Ghetto boys, Lou sky Walker, you know what I'm saying,
coming up under that umbrella. And then when I got
the money, I was like, I wanted to make an investment,
you know what I'm saying. And at that time, I
already was already coming to Houston a lot. I was
coming out here a whole lot, you know what I'm saying.
So I was like, I wanted to start a label.
My homeboy he did right now, So I asked him, well,
(04:28):
I told him, huh no, not kat is my childhood
from Gruss name was T And I was like, man,
I want to start a record label. So then he
was telling me as Knitty was a notorist, aid the
one who rapped with Lower Level, which was my homeboy
to girls. He told me he rapped, So I was like,
is he any good? He was like, yeah, he good,
But you know, he rapped, you know, like real hard
(04:51):
street stuff, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So I called him.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I went back down and I listened to him, and
I was like, man, what we got to do? And
he told me he had talked to Might I might
make the beats and stuff, but he didn't have the
money to do the beats. So I had the money.
So then I just got connected with him. And then
from now it was on.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I thought, you so I just did the beats because
you you know some production, didn't you know?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I had bought production equipment, and I got that to
start doing my production.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know what I'm saying. But you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I wrapped on some of it. Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now, at some point, at some point, you moved your
operation to West.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Bank, Yeah, to the West Bank. You moved to the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
West Bank, and you know, things are looking good, everything
is cool or whatever. It's taken off and then you
run into a roadblock.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Well, when I moved to the West Bank, I was
still on the West Bank. I moved to the West Bank.
I had bought me a house like in ninety I
think like ninety ninety one. I bought my first house.
But then I had got a record stone, and that's
why my real production I was selling CDs, and all
of a sudden everybody CDs and stuff like that. Well,
(06:09):
then ninety eight I called it a federal case, and that's
when they left the street.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
From nine to eight sometime I went to federal prison.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and and things kind of like from that point,
you know, the label goes into obscurity. There was nobody
there to pick up the baton and run with it.
I guess you you hadn't obviously even forese like getting
jammed up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So so, but at this point where you are nine life,
I know you got some things going on right now.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You you know, you're pretty much rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Are you like putting certain mechanisms in place to make
sure that if ever anything happens to you, no matter
what it is, that somebody, even if you just don't
feel like working for a week, a month, or a year. Yeah,
is that somebody that can keep the movement going. Now,
if something happens to you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
The thing about it, it's just so hard to find them,
you know what I'm saying. It's like I lost my
first son, my oldest son, and yeah. And then my
second son, I was trying to get him to come
in and you know, be that person.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You know what I'm saying. But you know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Hard for these kids because they got this bridge between
us and a lot of our kids. Trying to get
them to understand and work with their parents. Like I
got one son left, my youngest son. He do music,
He like manage one of his guys. He basely do
it thing I do, but he just don't do it
with me, you know what I'm saying. So I'm still
in search to find somebody. I got this other little guy,
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his name Carol. He worked with me so right now
he kind of that guy. But just keeping them focus
well on you know, the hard work that we did
and understanding, you know what I'm saying, Because the worst
thing about life the you know, have this legacy, you
know what I'm saying, and then you die, and your
legacy die does mean you was a failure.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know what I'm saying. So my worst feel is
to let that happen.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
But it just find the right person to understand my
vision on what I started in the carrier to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, I'm glad you mentioned that legacy thing and
being a failure if your legacy dies. That's right, you know,
like we have the plan we can see, Like right now,
the way I look at you and from what I
know about you, is that you are in the best
position to change your parents or your family's generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You in the best position.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You have the name recognition, you know, you have better
connects than anybody else, You got more resources, so you
in a I feel like too much as giving much
as required, and it would be a shame to have
had the success that you have.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And that die with you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
YEA.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Your same thing for me, I would be I would
feel like a failure exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
If within a generation or two or even three.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's right, my family ends up back in fifth Ward,
not because they want to be there, but because they
can't afford to live anywhere else exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So that's admirable man, Yeah, because on that level.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, Like I run my trucking budding, but all my
business skills came for my father, you know what I'm saying.
When I was a kid, Key bought me with him
to do a lot of business transaction, brought me in
a bank and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
So I really I don't know my father, you know,
the fifteen sixteen years he was there, you know what
I'm saying. And I try to get my kids to understanding,
but sometime they don't be the one. You know what
I'm saying, You got to make that right, Charice, that
somebody who understand your vision. It might don't be your kids,
It might don't be your cousin. It might be somebody
who comes alone, you know what I'm saying, that understand
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what you build and what you got.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know what I'm saying. So, like I worked with
al Mott a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
He like a young ramper and he been doing a
lot of stuff with me too, so he spent a
lot of time with me, so he know how I
think and how I move and how I do stuff.
You just never know, you know what I'm saying. But
somebody got to pick up the ball, man, cause I got,
like I think I got like three hundred and twelve
songs undead over the years, you know what I'm saying.
And I got some of the best original New Orleans
(10:27):
music from the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
That's taken off right now because the other avenues with
the podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That you can do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You know what I'm saying, speaking of podcasts, lack ofmo
show Man, what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Lachamo show, all right? When you see me now, Yeah,
I'm not Mobile Joe. I'm lack ofmore. You know what
I'm saying. It's like mobile Joe was the one back then,
you know what I'm saying. I was doing the gangster music,
I was doing all that. The concept of the lackimo
came when I got ready to buy me a new car.
(11:00):
I said, what's going to make this cost special?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Right? And I thought about.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It like when I was coming up all the older
men in the neighborhood where I lived at where basically
I like to call a village because it was you know,
I had a father and neighborhood and everybody household back there,
so they was only really a fold luxury call was
a Calain, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go with
a Calie.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I could have got the Bends, I could have got
the BMW, I could have I looked at Bentlands and
all that, but it connected me with them old folks
because one thing my spirit showed me.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They all had their last ride in that caline.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So I said, you know what, I'm gonna enjoy minds
while I'm still here, you know what I'm saying. So
that's where the concept of lack of mode come from,
because I'm in calac mode now. I'm not in the
same mode to I want to do songs that downgrade
my sisters talking about blowing my brother's up anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm not there no more, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm lack of more.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm teaching the younger people, you know, how to get
into music, building, how to get in the truck and bidding,
and also eat right and live right and treat each
other right. That's the lack of more concept. That's where
I'm at right now too. Basically trying to go to heaven. Well,
I don't believe in it, you know, like that's ale
no the topic. But you know, I mean, if we
(12:27):
want to go there, I'm in heaven right now. If
you don't get to heaven on earth, you're never gonna
get there. It's not a place you go. Heaven is
the way it ought to be. You got to live
it now you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Go to it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
But when I leave, when I leave, I want to
be like Tita Marie say it on day y'all voo.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I thank God I got to come back no more.
I got it right. You know what I'm saying. I
got it right.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
If you go back and lit to all these old songs,
like you listen to Tetum of Red, you listen to
stand up for you right by ball Marler, rest a
peace of these people. You listen to some of the
words and stuff they're saying, then you'll understand all this stuff.
You know what I'm saying. So that's why I'm at
with it. So like I'm in heaven right now.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Brother, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
In life it's it's about ten percent of what happens
to you. In ninety percent is how you react. How
did you react when your son died in two thousand
and five?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It was it was hard, It was hard, but what
it did, it was kind of it helped me because
I questioned everything that I know. That's why I understand
about heaven and hell. Like this world is rigged. Well
you notice it's rig you know what I'm saying, we
come up getting past this rig that the concept of
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life was passed on to us growing up, losing my father,
losing a lot of my partners, you know what I'm saying,
not losing my son. I'm like, now I gotta figure out.
This can't be how God work. It just can't be
like that. So when I started questioning myself, I start
doing a lot of research.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I research, and.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I do a lot of meditation, you know what I'm saying.
So as I start researching, I start understanding.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
A lot of this stuff was just set up. We
just basically what I realized.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We had been going through life, repeating stuff that was
passed on to us, that was taught to us, that
we learned in school, we learned in the hood, but
it wasn't a reality. When I start doing the research,
the stuff ain't mean sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because when I was.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Lost my son, you know, you taught to retaliate, right,
So now I'm going to kill another son, look just
like my son, you know what I'm saying, Like, rest
in peace to Nipsey Huse. I heard him say, like
one day they was on the prow to blow up
another game banger, and he said he realized he was
hunting his own self, you know what I'm saying. So
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when that happened, the anger was there.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah, he said that. So the anger was there.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
But it made me dig into my self, into my
spirit to understand, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Naw, this scene right, this isn't right. Like my mom
passed about four years ago, and four she.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Passed, I had the opportunity to go to hall and
tell her.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man, y'all got bambooze a lot of this stuff that
you taught us.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It ain't like that, you know what I'm saying. But
like she told me, son, you gotta live your own life,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So it was it was it was real. It was real.
It was real hard man, It's real hard. Got reloaded
podcast right back after Spreet.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your son died in two thousand and five. Three months later,
Katrina pop off. Yeah, it's it's uh all that and
and and Katrina. Katrina was like uh as recorded as
the at the time, it was the greatest uh cyclon
disaster on record. Thirteen hundred ninety two people died during Katrina,
(16:26):
most of them out of New Orleans. Did you have
time to stop grieving your son's death.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
How did that?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So you have your son, it's a major catastrophe, you know,
they say the greatest pain is the loss of a child.
Your child is murder bone, your child is murdered, right,
first born murdered, and then you're grieving. You're obviously still grieving.
And then a catastrophe and another catastrophe, a national disaster
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had finish and we're talking bodies are falling everywhere all
around you. How are you processing that in association with
still dealing with the death.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Of your son. It was hard. It was real hard
because Katrina I still knew the whole time. I never left.
I never left from beginning to the end.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I was there the whole time, which I was on
the West Bank, but I was there because my mom
she was old, right, so she was like, boy, I
stuff for Bessy, I'm not going nowhere. So if my
mom and not going, I ain't going. So by me
standing there it made it more harder because I'm seeing
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my people. Man, I'm seeing like people. It straight survivor mold,
you know what I'm saying. But like I say, the
way I come up, you know what I'm saying, it
ain't too many things I can't figure out how to
get through.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But like it was so hard to I couldn't grieve.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I couldn't agree because it was survival mode because people
studed down. You got family members missing, you know what
I'm saying. And then my mom. It was the original
house that we was raised in, so the only phone
was working was my mom phone because she had a
landline phone. So everybody calling my mom because my mom
like a lot of knowledge and wisdom I got.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I got it from my mom. My mom is real spiritual.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
She can tell you something gonna happen, and it's gonna happen,
you know what I'm saying. So they all calling. We
don't have no power, so we can't really see the
news or none of that. But people come in y'all
all right, you know this going on, that going on.
And then when I went to moving around, I seen it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It was so hard. So at this time I.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Can't even really grieve, you know what I'm saying. And
then it's like in Errod, I'm this big giant. Joe
can figure out everything. That's why people look at it
like call iver Joe. He can figure it out. You
know what I'm saying. So now I'm trying to grieve
my son. But I got all these other people. They
don't know what to do, how to survive, so they
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called us. I really had no time to do it,
and I really didn't, you know, I had to just
learn on a job.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I was just thinking that she was telling this story,
why didn't you just snatch your mama up, just kidnapp
and just say you going, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Getting you gotta know my mom, man, you gotta know
them man. Like she's stuffing. She's like she's stuffing.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And I told her, I said, Mom, I'm gonna call
the National Guards to come get you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh you I ain't going no where. I ain't going
no where. But what's funny? Right after that?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
What it was not without one name? Reader, reader can't
write out that. I said, mam, we're gone. I said,
we're going. We went up to North Louis, unto Naggiet
Louis and I got her to go that time, but Katrina,
she wouldn't going. And then we standing there. You couldn't go,
like you couldn't really you was there.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Now, Perhaps she didn't realize how real it was, You
know how when she was in the midst of Katrina.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
She didn't know what it was going to get.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No nobody did, and now she has a reference point.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, exactly, come right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So the reader she was like yeah, you know, like
she got out of there because like we had thought
Katrina was gonna be that bad, you know what I'm saying,
And like right after the Katrina hit, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But when the leaves broke and all that, that's when
it because it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Was like when I come outside, like I said, I
stand away when I come out, so I'm looking for
more them. When I start seeing all the people, like
hundreds of people, like I live in a rural area
like in the woods, man, they got people, hundreds of
people walking the streets, you know what I'm saying. They sweating,
they got stuff, they're just trying to you know what
I'm saying. And they're coming through and they're like they
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see me because everybody know me, like, man, more is
messed up, many ya YadA, like what we're gonna do.
And I'm like, man, it was like, you know what
I'm saying, It was bad, man, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But all that helps me got to the lack of more.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
You know what I'm saying, because I'm like, there's no
way a race of people supposed to be treated like this.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's it's it's just no way.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Do you think the levee is broken? Do you think
they broken? They broke them.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Everybody heard the explosion.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like I'm telling you, when we came out after the storm,
it was normal. But then when that boom that levee broke,
that's when it got flooded. Man, Yeah, that's when it
got flooded. So legendly it did something. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. You know, like I said, the levee
broke in the Ninth War, that was the desire. Yet
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so I know a lot of people down there, you
know what I'm saying, And a lot of them people
couldn't affold to really leave.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know what I'm saying. You got people up until
a tree.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And I'm talking about older than me at this time.
They never left up the Ninth Walk. That's how New
Orleans else. They like people downtown, you stayed all the time.
They don't have no reason.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Look, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I thank you
own something.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't put anything passing behind it nothing, man, They
just they there's some wicked, wicked people in this world.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But I seen, I seen, I've seen so much. I've
seen so much stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was taking the police was taking all the supplies.
It was there was the one breaking into places or they.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Still asked carrupt as they were back then. I know
they're still dirty. I know, I know they're gonna be dirty.
They're gonna always be dirty still, but they're still as dirty. Yeah, God,
it was uncivilized. Much must be stopped. Yeah they're still.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I can't stand y'all, as I know you're listening, I
can't stand. You can't stand.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, Well, yeah, man, what happened to that black dere to.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Eighty eight you used to drive?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It was a bond Noville that was a yeah, it
was it was. It was an eighty four Bottlevil the
don't ride and I had the snake skin terrier and
all that in it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And believe it or.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Not, I sent to the junk yard, to the strap
yard because why did you do that? Because my mom
worked on my nurves one day because like every so often,
the cold enforcement had come through, you know what I'm saying.
And I had my car. They on and I had
aducing a quarter on our property, which his family property,
(23:23):
so they'll come through and write up.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So she called me one day, said, boy, I just
went to call and I just got mad. So the
old man acrossed the street. He strapped call.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So I just went, hey, bro, I'm telling him when
it was signing like glass, when I signed to the
junk yard, I said, man, just take it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Because I ain't so long had come off from jail.
I got three boys, you know what I'm saying. My
oldest one sixteen, I got fifteen. Then I got my
youngest son, he's like about what two three years old.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I got to focus on my kids and my mama.
You know what I'm saying. I ain't had time to
met with the music. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Because I was a Voda all their life, you know
what I'm saying, So small things like that it didn't matter. Well,
you know what I'm saying. So I just told him
to send to the arm junk y'all. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, my partner, Kenny, he had the beige
eight eight with the wheel on the bank. Then Ligit
had the white riga that was used on the album
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cover and then the blue covers for Rock with the
the powder blue one. You know what I'm saying. That
was all like my homeboy calls and stuff like that. Yeah, man,
where is cheeky Black.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Cheeky Black hill around? She out here in Houston? Really,
she out here in Houston. She live out here? She
in Houston. Yeah, mother torque cheeky Black. Yeah, man, is
she the best selling artist on the label.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, my best. My biggest project was Rules Juvenile. Yeah,
Rule as Juvenile like the Cheeky was. She did a solo,
but I put haul Ricky Betan all. I'm on the
mobile click. I put them all on the mobile click.
But the biggest one was the Rootless, The Rootless Juvenile.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah. What about Little Goldie? He and Van Ruyd, she's
still doing this thing. Yeah. Yeah. He and b Bro.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
He cutting hair and he got another little buildings. But
he be hollering at me too, like I be talking
to all of.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Them here and there.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Ain't no Tim. Rest in peace, Tim, yeah man and
Tim Man. He got Tim been dead a few years.
I forgot one year, yeah, Tim, dad.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Man, I had no idea cano, man, that cano, because
he's supposed to tell me because COO be my connector,
Like Tim can't let me know what's going on out
in there.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Tim, Tim died, not Tim, Yeah, Tim died. Man.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know, I'm about to say, I feel like Stacey Dad,
but she's a damn coon, so I cannot.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But man, all right, but yeah, resting peace man. Tim
was a good one man. Yeah. And then on a
matter of fact, like he was something of that smoke.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, when I talked to Tim, because they were saying
it was distant, it was that. So I had the
opportunity to talk to him because you know, I just
smoked blunts.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Bad, like real bad. You know what I'm saying. I
don't know none of that now.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I asked him when he came by the seamen,
I said, man, from the horse's mouth, what happened? You
know what I'm saying? Where did the cancer come from?
Because I smoked? I said, it can't be the weed.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He said, no more.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He said the cigar, he said the doctor I had
told him it got so many chemicals in that cigau.
He was almost better off just putting into his head
and blow his brain. Because this how he was playing
Russian with the cigar that's from tim Mouth. He told
him that, Yeah, that's what caught out with him.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
This cigar is a big deal these days, a thing.
And I'm seeing not just dudes smoking cigars, and it's
like it's it's it's cheek now, you know, Like that's
the thing to do. And I'm just looking at it,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, yeah, it's just like Junior maggots right here. Man,
Like Junion, he ain't gonna smoke sigall. He smoked white boars.
He ain't gonna smoking. But me, I ain't smoking none
of it. I don't figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It's all. It's all, you know what I'm saying, Like
people are trying to sell me. Oh man, you made
a song.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
We like them blunts, and you don't smoke blunts more, no, man,
Because as you get older, you gotta get knowledge. You
gotta get knowledge, you gotta get with it, you gotta
get understanding.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know what I'm saying, Like, oh man.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's an earth. Okay, it's an herth. When you district cheek,
it's an herth. Right, you burrow it, put it in
water or whatever. Right, Okay, if you want a smooth weed.
That's why, like you go to places like Jamaica, they
also order have the weed and brownies and cookies.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because it's how you're supposed to take it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
The minute you put fire to that earth is turned toxing.
It's not desired to go on your box.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So if you're gonna take it, you gotta take it
in that phone. You know what I'm saying, which I
ain't messing with none of it. You know what I'm saying.
But people don't understand that I'm not. That was thirty
seven years ago. Man, I came at ninety six something.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know what I'm saying. Man.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
You know I can totally relate to what you're saying
because I remember one day I wish all the mothers
a happy Mother's Day and somebody went into my comments
on Facebook and said, what about the.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Ball hit home?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Exactly exactly, And look, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's so crazy how the universe wor man.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Because I had just was telling my partner about he
wanted me to get back to the music, and I
was like, you know, I can't do song like dog
be getting nothing no more.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I can't do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So he was telling me about bust down, about the
nasty beat. He said, yeah, man, I told the bus
down a couple of days ago. He said, he don't
perform the song no more.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And then I turned right around and I had seen
you saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But I'm like, we all growing up, you know, like brother,
I said, Man, I got grandkids, I got killed.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I can't do this no more.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Well, here's what I feel about the performance of the songs.
So I took boyet Hose out of my playlist for
the performances right, and it was out for several years.
And one day we're playing somewhere in the Midwest. It's
a ghetto boys show. We're backstage parked in the van
of fifteen passenger van. Two girls come walking up and
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one's like, well, WILLI D well? WILLI D So I'm
sitting right there at the door by the door. So
I slide the door open to the van and I said, yeah,
what's up. She say, I know you're gonna take out,
You're gonna do ball at house. She took off her wig, Yeah,
said I know you're gonna do bollye at Hose And
I turned to Don once put it back in the playlist. Yeah,
(29:55):
because I realized that those songs ain't mine anymore to
the fans exactly exactly. That's not my songs. If fans
want to hear the song, that's what I'm doing. I
ain't going out there doing with just what I want
to do. It's about what it's about what my fans want.
If you ain't a fan of the song, if you
ain't a fan of Willie d hey Man, you know,
(30:17):
you really don't matter when it comes to my business.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You see what I'm saying. This is my business.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
This is business right here right My business in my
personal life is two different things.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You did what I'm saying. I'm not gonna go around
just calling women. You're not gonna put no more like that.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But that's different. That's not why I matter. I'm not
making music like that for that music, for those those
fans bought that music, man, you not lie. They bought
that music. They spent that money for their music, that
that music.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
This tripped me out. I'm making songs and I'm thinking
like I'm I'm being intentional by making songs that I
feel that can really make an impact and change people's lives.
I'm doing on songs like the World is a Ghetto
and then you know Ghetto Fantasy, and you know all
(31:09):
these type of songs like I Tried and stuff like that.
And this chick wrote me a letter one day and
she said that ball head Hole saved her life. And
she said she said she was pregnant and her boyfriend
left her and she was suicidal. She said, listening to
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Baal head Holes every day, it was so funny that
it got her through the day and it made her
on a lip because she would just look forward to
listening to that song and laughing every day, and it
was mine.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I was like, damn, man, I can't try.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To predict what's gonna pop and what's gonna resonate with
people whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Autists. Just make the song and then let her last
and let it do what to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I don't have some of the same stories, you know
what I'm saying. And I now'm like Buzz Donald was
the same way. He stop performing his song and we
did the thing that the Walls thing January seventh, and
at the first time he probably performed that song in
a very long time. And when I say the women
turned up, I was about to say the trip part
about it, I bit. I was about to say, I
(32:22):
bet you the wing it loud. When the look he
left off the stage, he had did his his show.
They wanted the song. He came back and it went,
it went out, you.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And I was like, I said, I don't see no
problem still performing them, but at our age redoing another
song like that, I ain't gonna do that one.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I'm not doing it. That's rap that I can't
do that. It's a rap for me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But boy, if I wanted to though, yeah, boy, I
got about it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, we ain't doing that. We are doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I still got it that get it twisted. I could
go there. But yeah, you know, I think that there's
other guys out there that's on to come up. They're
gonna do that anyway, you know, let them have it.
You know what I'm saying. I'm an elder statesman. You know,
I got some other information that that can be valuable.
If it's always to put out something, you know. Uh,
(33:21):
I see things a lot differently now, exactly right, and
and quite frankly, man, I really don't want to be
a part of anything that's going to further divide.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Black men and women. I'm sound pad.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I don't want to be part of now exactly artists
that exactly hate women.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I don't know sign artists and hate men.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
No, you know what I'm saying exactly, like like we
need to come together? Could brow we we we we
have survived a lot of wars.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
One war.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
We cannot survive as a gender war. That's right, That's
impossible exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And that's why I tell people, like, you know, people
be thinking because like a lot of people know me
from the legend of New Orleans gangster rap. But like
I try, I tell people that was where I was
at then I started that. But it's not the discredit
no other label from New Orleans, you know what I'm saying.
We had all whole bunch of labels, but at the time,
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I'm the one bought that to the table, you know
what I'm saying, Like you know, ghetto boys bought a
lot of music to Houston, y'all. Was the first one
kind of doing it. Might had a couple other one,
but that's what you're know them far, you know what
I'm saying. And that's what I did because at the
particular time, I was a fan of Ghetto Boys.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I was a fan of Easy, I was a fan
of Louke Skywalker. You know what I'm saying. That's who
I related to, you know more.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And then, like I said, I was moving around before
the music. So when I got in it, that's what
I wanted to, you know, rap about. That's what I
wanted them to do, you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
At this time, they was doing a lot of bounce
music in New Orleans. I didn't really want to do that.
I didn't want to do noboduse music. I didn't at
that time. But after I finished the Gangster Wrap, then
I had people like cheek It that had talent, people
like Ricky. I'm like, you know what, let me use
my platform the boom and look look what I did.
(35:18):
The whole world still twerking twenty five, twenty six. That's
all they that's all the ladies want to do.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, that's it. And I was the first one with
Chiky to put it on wax. Yeah, I'm ready for
that damn twork and ship to go yadline.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's cool and it's parting up right now.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's course, you know, like it's crying his course, like
pants hanging off the ass, you know, yeah, speaking of cheeks, you.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Know, yeah, I never did that one.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I can't get with that program. I don't know what
I saw a dude. I saw a dude a couple
of days ago. Of course, youngster, not necessarily cost you,
because it's some dudes. I ahe be walking around like that,
But this dude had his pants all the way down,
like like at the at the bridge of his uh
(36:10):
uh at the bridge of his uh what they call
this underwear.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know, his drawls.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So his whole ass was out, you know, and it's
and I swear to guard, like, I don't know how
a dude can walk around like that and not think
that he's not inviting his ass to somebody who won't
it now, like you know, like I don't understand that peace.
It's just but you know, beyond that, what's crazy to
me is the dude had a bet on.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's what I was about to say. That's what I
was about to say. They had a belt. Wait, that's
what I was about to say. Like they had a
pat What a beut on? What a bet on? Man?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I watch a dude man one day he had his
pants weighed on and he was walking like on mad
and vulletball. That's probably about three four miles and I'm
watching he walking. He holds his pants up the whole
while he walking. I goes down, I come back, I said,
I'm like, and they have a belt on, Like I
ain't never do that one now.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And there's another thing.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm not looking forward to getting shot like a dog
in the street. But you know, if if something like
that was to happen to me, I don't want to
add insult the energy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
By having my pants hanging off my ass.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I won't be laying on the ground with my ass
whole lot. And these dudes ass crack ass out just
laying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And then like we were summinge bro, but we was
coming up the mad thing.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
The more folks told you, boy, be clean under clothes
on because you're gonna get to tell what if you
had to go to the hospital, you better have clean
under clothes on.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They take it all the time. These guys be walking
around like, I'm like, bro, I can't get with that one.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But you know it comes down to parenting because I
told my son early on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
My son tried it, do that ship? Yeah, my son
tried it. Don't do it. We don't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
If I see it look like if I see I
don't even want to see your draws line. I don't
want to see the line of bad. I do want
to see none of that. Boy, ain't supposed to know
what color draws you got on?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You did that? Then the hell color for address? What
is coming in at? Yeah? That's my son is coming
in at.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I told mama son one day, try to I said, boy,
I said, oh you ever tried me like that?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No more?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I said, you you do what I do. You know
what I'm saying, don't do that?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, I know somebody who did try you who really? People?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Oh yeah, some producer tragic. They're trying. They're trying, and
we're going to call you with that is it. Let's
follow go to cold Now we're gonna be going to
Federal colt. Well it now I had to follow losso
I reached out to him. They respine, so he he's
going to the producer's now on Macaroni Tony Macaroni, Tony Macaroney,
(38:54):
Tony never mag and cheese because Macarone it's the one
who made the beat man.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah. He on the lawsuit too. It's gonna come down
to the label that's gonna have to pay them. Yeah,
it's the label and the publishers. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
You know how at work everybody be thinking I'm attacking
the orders and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Man Like, I like, what them kids doing, you know
what I'm saying. Let them do the thing. But the
end of the day, it's business. She used it on
that song tomorrow, right, yeah, tomorrow? Yeah she ain't. She
don't know, she ain't. I don't know. I hear a
beat man. It's live.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And if I'm not familiar with the beat, you know,
most beats that came my way out, I ain't know
where the sample came from or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's jamming. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I wrap on the beat. I leave it up to
the publishers in the record label to do the clearest
part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's the thing. I just get in and do what
I gotta do, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And that's all they have to do is go in
there and do a license the add me to the
song and do what they got they didn't do that,
you know what I'm saying. So it's really they're the
ones who let the ortis down to.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
What probably he probably looked up and said that you
was inactive.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, that's what they probably gonna lee because the song
like almost thirty years ago, you know what I'm saying.
So they're like, oh, he probably ain't around the more.
Probably boom, you know what I'm saying. No, I'm ow
it my fans. My fans soon when they heard it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh gee, they took your they took your your stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So what happened when you made the initial contact and
said hey, you know the lawyer made the contact and
said yo yo yo, Yeah, I'm sure your lawyer sent
the letter and put them on notice. And how did they.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Respect his words? To me?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
He talked to the producer lawyer, and he talked to
hall lawyer, you know what I'm saying. And at first
he said, they try to come with a low ball,
but then the noball he was saying something like ten
percent and a few nickels or something. He said, you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, But then after that he
(40:56):
went kind of back, and then they ain't never respect
ain't no more. So I guess they figure or they
probably just go away, you know what I'm saying. So
then the next step, you gotta follow the lawsuit. And
when he followed lawsuit, that's what TMZ made it public
because you know, lawsuits public files. And once he did,
once he did that, then they jumped on it, you
(41:17):
know what I'm saying. So the next step is not
a subpoena everybody, and then you know, frag it on
off the court.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, have you ever used
somebody stuff and got song man? I never got so.
I never got so. No, I never got here because
we were gangster with it back then.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Man, Yeah, you Steve Miller like that for on that
Gangster the Bloove son Man. We tried to get it
clear he didn't want a clarb, so we were like, well,
fuck you then, nigga.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You know what I'm saying, We want this song man,
We got to use this song man.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
This I remember it like it was today, Like I remember, Yeah,
he came to get the money.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
No, you can't get the money, but hey, look it
was it was. It was a good, good exchange for us.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
And that's how I was back in the day. I like, man,
we use it. If it make money, I'm just pay them.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah we paid him, like he got paid. But the
thing we didn't mind because Gangster Love was one of
our best songs. It's one of the most requested songs,
and so we made that money in a thousand times over.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, that was a fact change.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But it's a lot easier now, will you know what
I'm saying. You can just go down and grab licenses.
You know, it wasn't back like when we was doing
it that you had to vote to all these spaghetti
traps to get to the person. Like right now, you
can just put it in like you know, my song
was published where they could.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Just went right there and got it and license and
signed me.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
They might have reached out to me. The geta clems
is like that, now you know what I'm saying. But
they tried me, they lost.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
They lost. They don't lose this one. Yeah, and now
now you want it all. I'm sure we.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Got to open the books. We got to see what
they're working with. That's a big song. It's a good
song too, and it's a good big it's a good you.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Know, somebody used master.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I want it all, bro, like if you use it
like if you if you reach out.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's different, exact but exact. Muse it. I'm gonna pull
a Steve Miller. Yeah, I won't go what time?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, pay me. I want it all for real, for real.
But I mean it's a good look for me because
now I'm back circulating, you know what I'm saying, lack
of mobile. Joe in the building said, well, one of
my favorites.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Will it this big? Right? Yah? Well, I ain't gonna lie.
That's big, right, appreciate it? Yes, up?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, and it's it's good to see you finally, you know,
getting your recognition in this landscape called music. Yes, you know,
because people are like, oh we did that, that that
person because they know your artist.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know what I'm saying, Oh, they know, they know
now exactly.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
You know, like back in the nineties, man, it wasn't
too many doors, you know, for us in the South.
You know that even with y'all. You know what I'm saying,
it was hard to get through. They wasn't trying to
recognize us at that time. But you know, we was
damping some good, good music.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And when I say they, I mean they outside of
New Orleans. Yeah, I'm talking about people outside of New Orleans.
They the artist, you know. But but you you're doing
a good job getting yourself out there and getting on
the circuit. And you got to tell your story, because
who better to tell it than you?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Exactly, you gotta tell you help me and the universe
faid me life to tell it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I'm gonna tell it. It's my story, it's my history.
To reloaded podcasts will be right back after street Man,
How did that history begin? At home? Like? What was
it like? A little a little what was little Joe?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Man, my childhood was so so fun because I had
six brothers.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I had seven sisters, damn yeah, all in the same house.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Well well yeah my mom and we had the same
mom and the sad daddy. Yeah. And I was the
youngest of all of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
And like I said, my daddy he had you know, businesses,
so we had money.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
We had a big house.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
So on the weekend, sadness, everybody came to our house,
you know what I'm saying. And that's when the forty
five record was out and all that. So I was
like the DJ, you know what I'm saying. So I
played a records and in our dance and all that.
You know, I had crazy That's what I used to do,
you know what I'm saying. So my childhood it was,
it was beautiful, you know what I'm saying. Because back then,
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if even if somebody got married, our house big enough,
you didn't go through. You didn't have no halls to
go to. They got married at our house. Everything was
right there at the house.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
You grew up in the household with thirty with twelve siblings,
Well you said thirteen and mom and dad and the
entire time.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, my mom and dad stayed together the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
One of my brothers died before I was born, though
one of them had died, you know what I'm saying,
So I never really got to know him.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So did y'all? Did you always? Did you feel rich?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Did you feel that y'all had everything that y'all needed?
Did you feel loved growing up?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah? I felt that.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
You felt I had the best, the best parents in
the world. My parents was the best thing ever came
in my life, my mother and my father. When my
father died my mama was my best friend. So she
passed like it was nothing I couldn't talk to my
mom about.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
So when you made your decision to get into the
street life, how did that affect your relationship with your parents?
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Well, my dad was gone, because my dad was I
was never. I was never probably went that way.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And how old were you when you got into the streets.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh, when I really got into the cocaine, I was
like in my early twenties. But like right as my
dad died and my friend of mine to see how
he treated my mom, I'm like, man, my mom gonna
still live that sound.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Wait, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
You because you felt the obligation exactly exactly step up exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, I felt like it was on me to keep
the family together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So then I stepped out that.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
But at the time, before I really got into selling drugs,
I used to do business burgers and stuff like that.
Like I used to hijack trucks and breaking businesses and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You know what I'm saying. I did that. Yeah, allegedly
that's what I did, you know what I'm saying. Right,
But after that error was.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Over, then I started, you know, working in the streets
doing stuff, and I accumulate money fast because of my
business skills that I knew, you know, I knew how
to take care of being know how to manage money
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
So that's helped me a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, are you still like signing artist now?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Are you back?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Not?
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Really, I'm not really trying to sign all this. I'm
kind of past that, you know what I'm saying. I'm
trying to just get my catalog recognized. You know what
I'm saying right now? For me, it ain't really about
lack of more. It's about my autists getting what they deserve,
you know what I'm saying. So I want to make
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sure if something do happen to me, I'm putting their
music what it can be, you know what I'm saying,
to what they can get, what they supost to get.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You know what I'm saying, and their recognition. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, you know, cheek it is
the Mother Torch. We was the.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
First one to put it on WAX. I want to,
you know, on a national platform. I want her to
be known for that. I want us to be known. Yeah,
I want us to be known Mobile Joe Records for
what we did as a group, just like cash Money
No Limit. I just want everybody to be known for
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that before us signing groups and all that. You know,
I got a couple of projects already finished, and I
just dropped the rule of juvenile thirty anniversary, you know
what I'm saying, to celebrate their legacy. I basically did
that for the fans, for my fan base, you know
what I'm saying. That's why I really came back. You
know what I'm saying, because my personal life is pretty
much intact.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, where are you with.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Your son? You know, the son that you said that
don't want to inherit the bu.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
My youngest son. He he the best son in the world.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
Like, he don't give me no problem graduate he worked,
you know. But it's like I just got him to
start working on a trucking business, you know what I'm saying,
Just doing a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
But for some reason, I'm gonna say like that, like
one of my little nieces, right she was starting all
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their business and I offer some help. And this was
all words and That's why I think a lot of that.
I don't want a handout, and I think that's what
he'd be at with it. You know what I'm saying.
They think it's a handout. They want to do it
on his own. Now I help.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Listen up, Listen up, your youngsters, y'all pay attention. I'm
gonna give some of y'all out there, got some youngsters
in the other room. Gonna give your moment to bring
them in. Okay, times up.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Listen. It's not a handout. It's a hand up.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
When you give him information and instructions along the way,
that's a hand up, not a handout. The idea for
each generation is for the following generation to do better
than they did, to have it a little easier. That
don't mean have it lazier. That means easier, meaning that
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I don't have to go through all of the what
do you say, spaghetti traps and stuff we made that
and make the same mistakes that my daddy made. His
daddy made. You know, it's a thing called nepotism.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Ice Cube Son played him in a movie straight out
of Compton. Now, how much sense would it make for
ice Cube Son to say, well, you know, Dad, I
don't want to play you, even though I know I
could do it, and you know it would be a
slam dump. I think I just want to go blaze
(51:51):
my own path, you know, in the movie industry, and
still do it. But I don't want to. I don't
want to. I don't want people looking at me as certain.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You think the Rockefeller give a damn about what y'all
think about nepotism and their children having it easier. You
think the rock what do they call them, the Rothchilds,
and even the Trumps, they don't give a damn about
all that stuff y'all talking about, Oh I don't want
to have a hand out and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
People, then people understand that I put the work in.
My daddy put the work in. My mam will put
the work in so that I don't have to do
as much, so that I could have I could actually
have a running start, you know, instead of starting that
square hey like they started that don't make no damn
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sense to me.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And that's why a lot of youngsters make so many
damn mistakes because they won't they won't take advice, they
won't seek advice, let me tell you something, bro, I
I got a shotgun, and I love that shotgun. Me
and him we very close. And I got I got
(53:07):
an AR two. Right if in the middle of the night,
somebody tried to come into my house, the shotgun is
my first preference. And I got handguns, but the shotgun
is what I would grab first because I don't have
to adjust my eyes. All I gotta do is squeeze
(53:30):
that trick. I'm gonna hit something something. You know what
I'm saying with the aar, I gotta be a little
bit more accurate.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know what I'm saying. Handgun?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
You know I got fifteen Man, that shotgun gonna hit
your ass in the nose and the ankle, you know,
and your pinky finger. Some gonna get hit your ass,
gonna it's gonna throw you off, some kind of yeah,
man said shotgun. If something coming through that door right there,
all you gotta do is Ai'm at that door.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You're gonna hit something.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Whatever standing that door, You're gonna hit it. So why
would I grab a nine millimeter or twenty two a
darringer exactly? Oh A damn a damn baseball back a stick.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I got a damn shot with that shotgun exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
And somebody trying to come through that door. I'm grabbing
the shotgun, bro, because I want to win every time.
I'm not trying to make.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Miss exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
And it seemed like some people they just hard headed, man,
they just got up make the mistake. But I also
do believe that a lot of times people make mistakes
that whether they say pride comes before the fall, I
did it myself. I used to make mistakes like that
when I was younger. I didn't have a daddy to
go to and consult or whatever. But that was certain
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dudes around me, man, that had more than what I had,
and I already did what I was trying to do,
and I didn't go to them.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You know, I just want you.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
As a man, I'm stubborn and I wanted I made
them and I'm gonna do it on my own and
just made a mistake after mistake after mistake that I
did not have to make. Yeah, And so I would
I would employ these youngsters out here to learn from
the mistakes of others, you know, like you know, like
they say, you know why, a smart man learns from
(55:19):
his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
That's true. So why the hell.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Am I going to go around that corner if somebody
just came from around the corner just got shot up,
that's right, and he bleeding profuse gathering, he coming around
like I just got stabbed. This dude is stabbing everybody
around the corner. Why the hell would I go around?
Are quack and want to get stabbed? They don't make
(55:46):
no sense.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
Yeah, I think I think my son and a lot
of these young men having problems because you got, like
you said, your daddy, you ain't have a dad in
your life.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
They got a lot of these rappers and guys that
don't have that.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
But that's not an every household, you see what I'm saying.
So when you got that daddy, thew and you got
ten friends that the dad like all their friends that
love me, you know what I'm saying, They raise their
kid mister Joe. You know cause what they call mister Joe.
You know this, I learned this and that. But then
they be thinking, oh, it's a it's a pushback, you
(56:23):
know what I'm saying. Like I just showed him a
couple of months ago, I had to show him the
little guy like my adopted's son, like he do my
front office paperwork.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I said, look, man, this.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Man mad thirty nine thousand dollars and six months writing
his own check and its own schedule.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
But then you driving for piece of hud bro. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Then it's something happened to me. You my only son.
You need to know the business to carry it on,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
But they just be that.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
It seems like he's starting to come around, like he's
starting to see like you know what, my daddy.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
And I'm haining at me like you know, saying, let
me get with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
And I ain't gonna lie growing up for me. I
got to take my leg I ain't had no handouts,
I ain't had no help. The older guys they showed
me stuff. But when I got to my teenage years,
all these older guys was dying off.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
The old men had them died off.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
The generator spost teach us like I came here in
sixty seven, So the fifties, the ones came in fifty seven,
there was you know a lot of them was drawing
the drugs and stuff, so they wasn't really teaching us.
So I had to really get mine out of sawd pipe.
I had to really get it. And having money young,
being raised the way I was, I ain't used to
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know how to tell people. Know, if you can't ask
me for something, I had it here a man boom,
And why'd you do that? Because my mama raised me
like that? You know what I'm saying, Like say like this,
how I was in my household saying me and you
friends like you one of my best friends. So say
we go to the ballpark, we kids, we shooting. We said, okay,
(58:01):
we're gonna play the best out of five. You know
you win. So I'm mad with your boy friends. So
we might go home. Because our house was so big,
I go because I'm mad with Will. I'll go sneaking
the pot and I duck off and go eat. If
my mama came in there and she's seeing Will sitting
there and she said, boy, you want some? If you
(58:21):
said yeah, I had an ass whooping for that. See
what I'm saying because she always taught me to shall
look out for your family, look out for your people.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
So I was raised like that.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
You know what I'm saying, but I grew up and
it took me a while to figure how to separate it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
I didn't know I said believe it or not.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
I didn't learn how to say no until I went
to prison at nine eight. That's when I learned how
to say no one because if I had it and
I ain't caret.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
So was there a particular incident that made you shut
that down?
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, because on a prison or something I ain't never
wanted to do. I ain't never want to go.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
To jo talking about like with that particular incident in
while you were in No, it wasn't. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (59:08):
It wasn't a particular incident. I was fortunately young. I
had time to start thinking and figuring out that you
have to know when to turn some things off. So
that time that I had, by me being away from
all it could you can act that I'm in jail,
you know what I'm saying. So that's when I figure
(59:29):
out how things had to start being. That's when I learned.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
Here's a burning question I have for you. Your name
is ire Joe Payne. You have this record label called
Mobile Records, and you got these artists with all of
these gangst names like you know doghouse posse lower level
(01:00:01):
uh organization you got uh uh Julish juganizers.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Why didn't you just name the label pain Records? I
mean it was right there, in line.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
With the Gates, you know, well, the name was right there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
First of all, I didn't like Ivory growing up. It
was soft to me. You couldn't really call me that
unless you grew up my neighborhood. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. I didn't like that now the South, Yeah,
I took your name is but I love it now.
I love it now. Yeah, I love it now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
You know what I'm saying because the women love it
and I you know what I meaning is unique.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
So I know she's done well. The name Mobile came
from one of my childhood friends. He named me Mobo,
and it like back then, when I was around the
seventh grade, it was called me Joe because my name
Ivory Joe Payne.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So this is always called me Joe.
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
So at this time, when I was around the seven
eighth grade, like people say whoa then back then everybody
said what's up? Bowt, what's going on boat right. So,
like I said, I was so young, but I always
hung with the older guys. I always was moving around.
So if I was sixteen, I hung with guys twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
So one day I was they was looking for.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
The guys my age, and they was like, man, Joe
was seen with this one, seeing with that one lost
their shot. He said the next day, we're gona make
up nicknames. I got your name. I said it was mine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
He said, Mobo Joe. I said, man, what are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
He said, well, we're gonna take the mo and rhyme
with bowl because everybody's say and we're gonna just take
that Joe own it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I said, what does it mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Back then Bell saw mobility slogan was on the goal, right,
he said, stand for on the goal because you always going.
So then I adopted it. So that's why everybody's to
call me mobo Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
You know what I'm saying. That It was smooth, I
mean smooth, yeah, mobile, this move, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
But the sick names, the groups and all that, it
just was like, I come up, man, I listened to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
All hard music, bro, Like I'm talking about, listen to
all the hard stuff. The Willities, the iceh Q, the easy.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
So when them young guys, you know, at this in
fifteen sixteen, when it came in my world, now lower
level organization, that was the name men that toy E
came up with. But that's meant being from a lower level,
being deprived of what we're supposed to get as a
black race. You know what I'm saying, being in poverty.
That's what lower level organization meant. You know what I'm
(01:02:38):
saying to what because like I say, when I left
from Harvey and went to Desire Project, I didn't know
a little bit for my sisters starting to get the
welfare and food stamps, but we didn't have that for
my dad, you know what I'm saying. So that's what
that name comes from. But when the guys came, I
was living a rootless life. So these young guys, they're
(01:03:02):
right there and that's when we started, you know. But
the rutless name came from the crooked and OPD. They
there's some dirty stuff to rutless juvenile, and it was
like what you are rutless juveniles doing? That's what one
of the police called them. They came back and told
to me when we was just we had a name
for the group. So when he said that, let me
(01:03:25):
have that, you know what I'm saying, And it just
went like that, cool, cool, cool. What's the podcast going
to be about doing? Like what do you be talking
about in the podcast? On the lack of podcast, I'm
gonna talk about like I just did a lack of
more draft?
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Right, good, I just did it what lack ofmo show.
Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
It's online right now and it's called the most what
valuable job.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
On the planet being a parent? Right?
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
And on that lack of More, I'm breaking down how
importner it is for us as parents, especially you younger
parents with them cell phones, right, because you're giving these
kids these phones and you not monitor them. You're letting
the phone part them. So I had a situation a
(01:04:13):
few years ago, me and my adopted son was in
we was down there in Wildwood, Florida, right, and I
was telling them on our way back, his son like
nine years old and he had a phone, and you know,
we just to rule his juvenile you know kids and
(01:04:35):
all that, but the music he was living something like, man,
you know this music is getting real to these kids.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
We ain't have phones though, you know what I'm saying,
like they had.
Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
So I'm like, you shouldn't he shouldn't have a phone,
because he was trying to tell me that he was
trying to tell his wife not to have the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Right, all right, speed it up.
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
So I'm telling him that we gets back, I'm like,
before we got back, I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Got to talk to your wife about this boy with
this phone? Kis home?
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Will? He called me about nine o'clock that night. He said, Pop,
He said, you're gonna be up for a mick. I
go to sleep early. I said, yeah, what's going on?
He said, i'nna call you back. I'm hoping that w
and his wife aint got into it. So he tells
me that man, you write about these phones. His seven
year old daughter had a cell phone. His wife goes
(01:05:25):
back in the phone till six months, three months, and
the phone, this seven year old girl had been watching
little boys have sex with little boys little girls on
the phone. This real well that this little girl unseen.
Once you see something, you can't take it away. Seven
years old, you know what I'm saying. So then I
(01:05:47):
got a friend of mine truck. He had a mobile
abound and now Chris when at this truck show. His
little boy had a phone too. I called him, No,
I texted him. I said, well, you hit me when
you get some free timey to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
He calls me.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I said, man, what's going? Said man, look, I need
to talk to you about this incident with the phone.
When I talked to him, His daughter thirteen got a phone.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Know what she been doing.
Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
She been going back and forll the little girl on
sex stuff at thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
You know what I'm saying. So I talked about stuff
like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I talked about the food we eat, all this food
that did. You know you gotta be very careful what
you're putting in your body. You know, people like, man,
how you look so young, look so good. I don't
eat like that. Then from I e my last meal
December thirty first, I ate the last meal, no later
than seven o'clock. I don't eat no mold to January
(01:06:45):
twenty second. I've been doing that since like twenty fifteen.
How fast you mean you don't eat after seven o'clock?
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
No, I don't eat for twenty one days? What you
mean you don't eat for twenty I just drank water.
We mean you drink what's you talking about? How fast?
Twenty one day, twenty one days every month. I do
it once a year. You do once a year from
what day?
Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
From the first of the year, I don't eat to
the twenty second of January, I just drank water. And
after about that says twenty fifteen, for twenty one days
anything you drink water. You don't drink any juices, no,
no juices.
Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Well, I drank straight.
Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
I drank just a little sip one hundred percent apple juice.
It can't be from other juices. It gotta be one
hundred percent apple juice. Because after about seven days, eight days,
your moum will get, you know, real real dry, you
know what I'm saying. And you got to get you
some sugar free holes because your your mouth gonna get
dry and stuff like that. But doing this, it cleans
(01:07:49):
your body out, you know what I'm saying. Just like
you said earlier about your call got exhaust pipe, you
flush your call ready here, you frush your call out.
You don't frush your system. You know what I'm saying,
a lot of time your sales reproduced. So if you
got canceled, you know, by these fastest.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It's breaks this. How the hell do you not eat
and not fall out? Willing you? You was a box
of well as matter of fact, I just he wind
up doing it twice.
Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Hold on second and I just got my ex girlfriend
she did it this year.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Whip me and my nephew did it. How do you
get through it? When will it? You have so twenty
four hours?
Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
You know it's the first steventy two. It's your hardest.
It's the first seventy two, the first in the first
to fall out. No, well, I'm talking about the first
steven to two. You don't want to go around food.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You're gonna go in the kitchen. After that, you're not
gonna have no more cravy.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
So you got parasites that lives in you by this
bad food that they really addicted to the sugar. So
that's what like a kid or even you, you might
go somewhere and you might see something that you like,
a hundred bun. Two reasons why you want that hundred
bun because it registered with the parasites that lives in you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Plus you had a relationship.
Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
With that hunting bun. You know how it tastes you
know what I'm saying, some people might pull the left piece.
So that relationship and then you go to thinking about
the parasitle.
Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I need that, you know what I'm saying. That's
how it works.
Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
So you get a parasite, you get to flush your
system just like you flush your car.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
It's not hard after the twenty one days, I mean,
after the three days, the seventy two hours, you're not
gonna be hunger anymore. With the after three days, maybe
the fifth, sixth, seventh day, you're gonna start using a.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Bathroom like you gonna. I drive my truck and off
when I'm doing this, Man, this is what I'm trying
to get to. Bro have.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
The closest I've come to fasting is is uh, when
I was doing the vegan thing, why I juiced. I've
juiced for like seventy two hours, and then I've uh,
then I've juiced for a week, and then I like
for two weeks. I was a vegan for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
After those two weeks, man, when I was walking around, Bro,
I was I was by. I felt like I was
gonna faint. Man, And you know, I'm a ghetto bock.
So faint names, gangster. I cannot faint, man, I cannot
do that. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
I can work out, I can drive my truck, I
can run. I can do everything I want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Like the food takes your energy, It takes your energy. Man,
you know what I'm saying. I tell you this.
Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I'm gonna tell where I got it from. If anybody
want to know, go online and man, a little sis thought. No,
the Bahamas. Man, what's his name, man, doctor Miles Monroe,
That's where I got it from.
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
From the Bahama. Rest in peace. He died. He teached
the whole thing on his program.
Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
And killed him like they did, say you doctor Miles
Monroe cut him into his minister.
Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I used to be into all that. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
You know, you know they shot him and his wife
and the young Paula was on the plane and boom,
he went down.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
He went down in twenty fifteen because after year I
went to the ministry. But he had taught me the
fast because how I got on it, they had just
put me on a brook Press appel.
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And I don't believe in people.
Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I don't take aspirins or none of that and that
when I start figuring out, man, now something man, right,
you know what I'm saying. So then I start learning
about fasting and stuff like that. You know what I'm
It's good. But you got me thinking, You got me
seriously thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I'll tell you what virtually they call.
Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I'll get your shot. I guarantee you to do it.
We can do it together. I got people doing women now.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You know what, I'm willing to give it a shot. Man,
I don't I don't mind changing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I don't mind. Man, when it's time for you to
go in, you ain't got no more. How do you
want to be remembered? I just won't remember from you know,
being a real good person. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
You know a lot of people say I got a
big heart, and I want to recognize from having a
big heart. You know what I'm saying. You know, I
just won't be recognized like you know, like my mama.
She went as a legend. You know what I'm saying.
Everybody you know loved to my mama, and I just
won't be loved.
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
At the end of the day, I really won't be
known for the love of God for my people. I
don't love nothing on as planet more than a love
I hell for us as a race, because I know
we were set up.
Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I know that don't get no really than that. Ladies
and gentlemen, Mobo Joe on the Real No More Talk.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
This episode was produced by A King and brought to
you by
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
The Black Effect Podcast Network at iHeartRadio
Yep, yep, gett boys is back and redod it all
in your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, now deep throating.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
This is for the streets, the real the railroaded, the distenfranchise, the.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Truth, escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak the truth,
so they quoted because we wrote it. The North South
East coaches the ge be mocked for keeping your head, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It ain't no.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Stopping and once to be drops head by then the
system is so corrupt they threw.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Don't get it twisted on coding. We danced to put
no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all ghetto boys in
the house back with another episode of information and instructions
to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world.
In the studio see Oh of Mobo Records. Joe Pain
(00:53):
aka Mobo Joe.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
On the rail on the rail, bab it out? What's
uping Mobo Joe in the building?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
A legend.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I see, I was I was gonna say your name,
but this is the first time somebody ever actually finished
their name for me.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, she took it over. Go ahead, any questions now,
I ain't.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Got no question in math. Is glad to be in
the building. Man, I'm almost famous. Ghetto Ball reloaded.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You're good. You're good with me? Man, you good? You
got it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You got a nice catalog, man, a nice record. You
got kind of a couple of records. Man, you got
a record in a couple couple of different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But it all started with the music, right, Mobile Records?
What do you did you start nineteen?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I dropped it on my first one to end the
nine and one, I dropped my first project.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So that's ninety one. And what was what's what group?
Was that?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That was the low level organization. And then you came
back with Rules Juveniles, and then you came came with
Doghouse po Yeah and that and all of that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Now you also had.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
A couple of bounced artists that you put out, but
you primarily Mobile Records is known for that gangster shit.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, I'm the one that introduced theang to all us? Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, And how does it feel to know that you
actually started that?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But your name ain't never mentioned?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I ain't talking about sometimes, man, I ain't never heard
nobody mention your name when they start talking about it,
except the people that know, no, they talk about it,
but I'm talking about as far as like in the
mainstream discussion. I hear cash money all the time. I
hear big boy, I hear you know, no limit. But
I never hear people talking about mobile. What's up with that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
That's just New Orleans man. I understand it because I'm
from New Orleans. I know New Orleans people are you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But my fans in the.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Street, the people in the streets, they keep me, you know,
going and stuff like that. I don't feel no type
of way when I heard you know what I'm saying,
because I know, like we don't really pull each other
up on that level. You know what I'm saying. But
I mean, I did. What I did is my story,
is my history. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
I did it. You know, Yeah, you did it, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Desire. You came up in the Desire Yeah, well from Harved, Louisiana.
You're from Harvey. Yeah you moved project, Yeah, well I did.
I did.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Right after my father died, I had me and my
first son, and I started dating his mother out of
the Desire Project. So then around that time I started
selling you know, a little dollar weeds. So me and
my mom had a discussion. Yeah, allegedly, So me and
my mom had a little discussion. And then that's when
I wind up moving to the Desire Project.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then at some point you had the idea to
start Mobile Records, Yes, Now what inspired that? What inspired that?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Easy Ghetto boys, Lou sky Walker, you know what I'm saying,
coming up under that umbrella. And then when I got
the money, I was like, I wanted to make an investment,
you know what I'm saying. And at that time, I
already was already coming to Houston a lot. I was
coming out here a whole lot, you know what I'm saying.
So I was like, I wanted to start a label.
My homeboy he did right now, So I asked him, well,
(04:28):
I told him, huh no, not kat is my childhood
from Gruss name was T And I was like, man,
I want to start a record label. So then he
was telling me as Knitty was a notorist, aid the
one who rapped with Lower Level, which was my homeboy
to girls. He told me he rapped, So I was like,
is he any good? He was like, yeah, he good,
But you know, he rapped, you know, like real hard
(04:51):
street stuff, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So I called him.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I went back down and I listened to him, and
I was like, man, what we got to do? And
he told me he had talked to Might I might
make the beats and stuff, but he didn't have the
money to do the beats. So I had the money.
So then I just got connected with him. And then
from now it was on.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I thought, you so I just did the beats because
you you know some production, didn't you know?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I had bought production equipment, and I got that to
start doing my production.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know what I'm saying. But you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I wrapped on some of it. Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now, at some point, at some point, you moved your
operation to West.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Bank, Yeah, to the West Bank. You moved to the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
West Bank, and you know, things are looking good, everything
is cool or whatever. It's taken off and then you
run into a roadblock.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Well, when I moved to the West Bank, I was
still on the West Bank. I moved to the West Bank.
I had bought me a house like in ninety I
think like ninety ninety one. I bought my first house.
But then I had got a record stone, and that's
why my real production I was selling CDs, and all
of a sudden everybody CDs and stuff like that. Well,
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then ninety eight I called it a federal case, and that's
when they left the street.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
From nine to eight sometime I went to federal prison.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and and things kind of like from that point,
you know, the label goes into obscurity. There was nobody
there to pick up the baton and run with it.
I guess you you hadn't obviously even forese like getting
jammed up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So so, but at this point where you are nine life,
I know you got some things going on right now.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You you know, you're pretty much rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Are you like putting certain mechanisms in place to make
sure that if ever anything happens to you, no matter
what it is, that somebody, even if you just don't
feel like working for a week, a month, or a year. Yeah,
is that somebody that can keep the movement going. Now,
if something happens to you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
The thing about it, it's just so hard to find them,
you know what I'm saying. It's like I lost my
first son, my oldest son, and yeah. And then my
second son, I was trying to get him to come
in and you know, be that person.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You know what I'm saying. But you know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Hard for these kids because they got this bridge between
us and a lot of our kids. Trying to get
them to understand and work with their parents. Like I
got one son left, my youngest son. He do music,
He like manage one of his guys. He basely do
it thing I do, but he just don't do it
with me, you know what I'm saying. So I'm still
in search to find somebody. I got this other little guy,
(07:45):
his name Carol. He worked with me so right now
he kind of that guy. But just keeping them focus
well on you know, the hard work that we did
and understanding, you know what I'm saying, Because the worst
thing about life the you know, have this legacy, you
know what I'm saying, and then you die, and your
legacy die does mean you was a failure.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know what I'm saying. So my worst feel is
to let that happen.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
But it just find the right person to understand my
vision on what I started in the carrier to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, I'm glad you mentioned that legacy thing and
being a failure if your legacy dies. That's right, you know,
like we have the plan we can see, Like right now,
the way I look at you and from what I
know about you, is that you are in the best
position to change your parents or your family's generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You in the best position.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You have the name recognition, you know, you have better
connects than anybody else, You got more resources, so you
in a I feel like too much as giving much
as required, and it would be a shame to have
had the success that you have.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And that die with you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
YEA.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Your same thing for me, I would be I would
feel like a failure exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
If within a generation or two or even three.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's right, my family ends up back in fifth Ward,
not because they want to be there, but because they
can't afford to live anywhere else exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So that's admirable man, Yeah, because on that level.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, Like I run my trucking budding, but all my
business skills came for my father, you know what I'm saying.
When I was a kid, Key bought me with him
to do a lot of business transaction, brought me in
a bank and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
So I really I don't know my father, you know,
the fifteen sixteen years he was there, you know what
I'm saying. And I try to get my kids to understanding,
but sometime they don't be the one. You know what
I'm saying, You got to make that right, Charice, that
somebody who understand your vision. It might don't be your kids,
It might don't be your cousin. It might be somebody
who comes alone, you know what I'm saying, that understand
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what you build and what you got.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know what I'm saying. So, like I worked with
al Mott a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
He like a young ramper and he been doing a
lot of stuff with me too, so he spent a
lot of time with me, so he know how I
think and how I move and how I do stuff.
You just never know, you know what I'm saying. But
somebody got to pick up the ball, man, cause I got,
like I think I got like three hundred and twelve
songs undead over the years, you know what I'm saying.
And I got some of the best original New Orleans
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music from the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
That's taken off right now because the other avenues with
the podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That you can do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You know what I'm saying, speaking of podcasts, lack ofmo
show Man, what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Lachamo show, all right? When you see me now, Yeah,
I'm not Mobile Joe. I'm lack ofmore. You know what
I'm saying. It's like mobile Joe was the one back then,
you know what I'm saying. I was doing the gangster music,
I was doing all that. The concept of the lackimo
came when I got ready to buy me a new car.
(11:00):
I said, what's going to make this cost special?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Right? And I thought about.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It like when I was coming up all the older
men in the neighborhood where I lived at where basically
I like to call a village because it was you know,
I had a father and neighborhood and everybody household back there,
so they was only really a fold luxury call was
a Calain, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go with
a Calie.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I could have got the Bends, I could have got
the BMW, I could have I looked at Bentlands and
all that, but it connected me with them old folks
because one thing my spirit showed me.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They all had their last ride in that caline.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So I said, you know what, I'm gonna enjoy minds
while I'm still here, you know what I'm saying. So
that's where the concept of lack of mode come from,
because I'm in calac mode now. I'm not in the
same mode to I want to do songs that downgrade
my sisters talking about blowing my brother's up anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm not there no more, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm lack of more.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm teaching the younger people, you know, how to get
into music, building, how to get in the truck and bidding,
and also eat right and live right and treat each
other right. That's the lack of more concept. That's where
I'm at right now too. Basically trying to go to heaven. Well,
I don't believe in it, you know, like that's ale
no the topic. But you know, I mean, if we
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want to go there, I'm in heaven right now. If
you don't get to heaven on earth, you're never gonna
get there. It's not a place you go. Heaven is
the way it ought to be. You got to live
it now you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Go to it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
But when I leave, when I leave, I want to
be like Tita Marie say it on day y'all voo.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I thank God I got to come back no more.
I got it right. You know what I'm saying. I
got it right.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
If you go back and lit to all these old songs,
like you listen to Tetum of Red, you listen to
stand up for you right by ball Marler, rest a
peace of these people. You listen to some of the
words and stuff they're saying, then you'll understand all this stuff.
You know what I'm saying. So that's why I'm at
with it. So like I'm in heaven right now.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Brother, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
In life it's it's about ten percent of what happens
to you. In ninety percent is how you react. How
did you react when your son died in two thousand
and five?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It was it was hard, It was hard, but what
it did, it was kind of it helped me because
I questioned everything that I know. That's why I understand
about heaven and hell. Like this world is rigged. Well
you notice it's rig you know what I'm saying, we
come up getting past this rig that the concept of
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life was passed on to us growing up, losing my father,
losing a lot of my partners, you know what I'm saying,
not losing my son. I'm like, now I gotta figure out.
This can't be how God work. It just can't be
like that. So when I started questioning myself, I start
doing a lot of research.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I research, and.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I do a lot of meditation, you know what I'm saying.
So as I start researching, I start understanding.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
A lot of this stuff was just set up. We
just basically what I realized.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We had been going through life, repeating stuff that was
passed on to us, that was taught to us, that
we learned in school, we learned in the hood, but
it wasn't a reality. When I start doing the research,
the stuff ain't mean sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because when I was.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Lost my son, you know, you taught to retaliate, right,
So now I'm going to kill another son, look just
like my son, you know what I'm saying, Like, rest
in peace to Nipsey Huse. I heard him say, like
one day they was on the prow to blow up
another game banger, and he said he realized he was
hunting his own self, you know what I'm saying. So
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when that happened, the anger was there.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah, he said that. So the anger was there.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
But it made me dig into my self, into my
spirit to understand, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Naw, this scene right, this isn't right. Like my mom
passed about four years ago, and four she.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Passed, I had the opportunity to go to hall and
tell her.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man, y'all got bambooze a lot of this stuff that
you taught us.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It ain't like that, you know what I'm saying. But
like she told me, son, you gotta live your own life,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So it was it was it was real. It was real.
It was real hard man, It's real hard. Got reloaded
podcast right back after Spreet.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your son died in two thousand and five. Three months later,
Katrina pop off. Yeah, it's it's uh all that and
and and Katrina. Katrina was like uh as recorded as
the at the time, it was the greatest uh cyclon
disaster on record. Thirteen hundred ninety two people died during Katrina,
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most of them out of New Orleans. Did you have
time to stop grieving your son's death.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
How did that?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So you have your son, it's a major catastrophe, you know,
they say the greatest pain is the loss of a child.
Your child is murder bone, your child is murdered, right,
first born murdered, and then you're grieving. You're obviously still grieving.
And then a catastrophe and another catastrophe, a national disaster
(16:59):
had finish and we're talking bodies are falling everywhere all
around you. How are you processing that in association with
still dealing with the death.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Of your son. It was hard. It was real hard
because Katrina I still knew the whole time. I never left.
I never left from beginning to the end.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I was there the whole time, which I was on
the West Bank, but I was there because my mom
she was old, right, so she was like, boy, I
stuff for Bessy, I'm not going nowhere. So if my
mom and not going, I ain't going. So by me
standing there it made it more harder because I'm seeing
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my people. Man, I'm seeing like people. It straight survivor mold,
you know what I'm saying. But like I say, the
way I come up, you know what I'm saying, it
ain't too many things I can't figure out how to
get through.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But like it was so hard to I couldn't grieve.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I couldn't agree because it was survival mode because people
studed down. You got family members missing, you know what
I'm saying. And then my mom. It was the original
house that we was raised in, so the only phone
was working was my mom phone because she had a
landline phone. So everybody calling my mom because my mom
like a lot of knowledge and wisdom I got.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I got it from my mom. My mom is real spiritual.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
She can tell you something gonna happen, and it's gonna happen,
you know what I'm saying. So they all calling. We
don't have no power, so we can't really see the
news or none of that. But people come in y'all
all right, you know this going on, that going on.
And then when I went to moving around, I seen it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It was so hard. So at this time I.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Can't even really grieve, you know what I'm saying. And
then it's like in Errod, I'm this big giant. Joe
can figure out everything. That's why people look at it
like call iver Joe. He can figure it out. You
know what I'm saying. So now I'm trying to grieve
my son. But I got all these other people. They
don't know what to do, how to survive, so they
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called us. I really had no time to do it,
and I really didn't, you know, I had to just
learn on a job.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I was just thinking that she was telling this story,
why didn't you just snatch your mama up, just kidnapp
and just say you going, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Getting you gotta know my mom, man, you gotta know
them man. Like she's stuffing. She's like she's stuffing.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And I told her, I said, Mom, I'm gonna call
the National Guards to come get you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh you I ain't going no where. I ain't going
no where. But what's funny? Right after that?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
What it was not without one name? Reader, reader can't
write out that. I said, mam, we're gone. I said,
we're going. We went up to North Louis, unto Naggiet
Louis and I got her to go that time, but Katrina,
she wouldn't going. And then we standing there. You couldn't go,
like you couldn't really you was there.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Now, Perhaps she didn't realize how real it was, You
know how when she was in the midst of Katrina.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
She didn't know what it was going to get.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No nobody did, and now she has a reference point.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, exactly, come right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So the reader she was like yeah, you know, like
she got out of there because like we had thought
Katrina was gonna be that bad, you know what I'm saying,
And like right after the Katrina hit, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But when the leaves broke and all that, that's when
it because it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Was like when I come outside, like I said, I
stand away when I come out, so I'm looking for
more them. When I start seeing all the people, like
hundreds of people, like I live in a rural area
like in the woods, man, they got people, hundreds of
people walking the streets, you know what I'm saying. They sweating,
they got stuff, they're just trying to you know what
I'm saying. And they're coming through and they're like they
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see me because everybody know me, like, man, more is
messed up, many ya YadA, like what we're gonna do.
And I'm like, man, it was like, you know what
I'm saying, It was bad, man, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But all that helps me got to the lack of more.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
You know what I'm saying, because I'm like, there's no
way a race of people supposed to be treated like this.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's it's it's just no way.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Do you think the levee is broken? Do you think
they broken? They broke them.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Everybody heard the explosion.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like I'm telling you, when we came out after the storm,
it was normal. But then when that boom that levee broke,
that's when it got flooded. Man, Yeah, that's when it
got flooded. So legendly it did something. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. You know, like I said, the levee
broke in the Ninth War, that was the desire. Yet
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so I know a lot of people down there, you
know what I'm saying, And a lot of them people
couldn't affold to really leave.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know what I'm saying. You got people up until
a tree.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And I'm talking about older than me at this time.
They never left up the Ninth Walk. That's how New
Orleans else. They like people downtown, you stayed all the time.
They don't have no reason.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Look, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I thank you
own something.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't put anything passing behind it nothing, man, They
just they there's some wicked, wicked people in this world.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But I seen, I seen, I've seen so much. I've
seen so much stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was taking the police was taking all the supplies.
It was there was the one breaking into places or they.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Still asked carrupt as they were back then. I know
they're still dirty. I know, I know they're gonna be dirty.
They're gonna always be dirty still, but they're still as dirty. Yeah, God,
it was uncivilized. Much must be stopped. Yeah they're still.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I can't stand y'all, as I know you're listening, I
can't stand. You can't stand.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, Well, yeah, man, what happened to that black dere to.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Eighty eight you used to drive?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It was a bond Noville that was a yeah, it
was it was. It was an eighty four Bottlevil the
don't ride and I had the snake skin terrier and
all that in it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And believe it or.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Not, I sent to the junk yard, to the strap
yard because why did you do that? Because my mom
worked on my nurves one day because like every so often,
the cold enforcement had come through, you know what I'm saying.
And I had my car. They on and I had
aducing a quarter on our property, which his family property,
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so they'll come through and write up.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So she called me one day, said, boy, I just
went to call and I just got mad. So the
old man acrossed the street. He strapped call.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So I just went, hey, bro, I'm telling him when
it was signing like glass, when I signed to the
junk yard, I said, man, just take it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Because I ain't so long had come off from jail.
I got three boys, you know what I'm saying. My
oldest one sixteen, I got fifteen. Then I got my
youngest son, he's like about what two three years old.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I got to focus on my kids and my mama.
You know what I'm saying. I ain't had time to
met with the music. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Because I was a Voda all their life, you know
what I'm saying, So small things like that it didn't matter. Well,
you know what I'm saying. So I just told him
to send to the arm junk y'all. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, my partner, Kenny, he had the beige
eight eight with the wheel on the bank. Then Ligit
had the white riga that was used on the album
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cover and then the blue covers for Rock with the
the powder blue one. You know what I'm saying. That
was all like my homeboy calls and stuff like that. Yeah, man,
where is cheeky Black.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Cheeky Black hill around? She out here in Houston? Really,
she out here in Houston. She live out here? She
in Houston. Yeah, mother torque cheeky Black. Yeah, man, is
she the best selling artist on the label.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, my best. My biggest project was Rules Juvenile. Yeah,
Rule as Juvenile like the Cheeky was. She did a solo,
but I put haul Ricky Betan all. I'm on the
mobile click. I put them all on the mobile click.
But the biggest one was the Rootless, The Rootless Juvenile.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah. What about Little Goldie? He and Van Ruyd, she's
still doing this thing. Yeah. Yeah. He and b Bro.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
He cutting hair and he got another little buildings. But
he be hollering at me too, like I be talking
to all of.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Them here and there.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Ain't no Tim. Rest in peace, Tim, yeah man and
Tim Man. He got Tim been dead a few years.
I forgot one year, yeah, Tim, dad.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Man, I had no idea cano, man, that cano, because
he's supposed to tell me because COO be my connector,
Like Tim can't let me know what's going on out
in there.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Tim, Tim died, not Tim, Yeah, Tim died. Man.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know, I'm about to say, I feel like Stacey Dad,
but she's a damn coon, so I cannot.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But man, all right, but yeah, resting peace man. Tim
was a good one man. Yeah. And then on a
matter of fact, like he was something of that smoke.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, when I talked to Tim, because they were saying
it was distant, it was that. So I had the
opportunity to talk to him because you know, I just
smoked blunts.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Bad, like real bad. You know what I'm saying. I
don't know none of that now.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I asked him when he came by the seamen,
I said, man, from the horse's mouth, what happened? You
know what I'm saying? Where did the cancer come from?
Because I smoked? I said, it can't be the weed.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He said, no more.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He said the cigar, he said the doctor I had
told him it got so many chemicals in that cigau.
He was almost better off just putting into his head
and blow his brain. Because this how he was playing
Russian with the cigar that's from tim Mouth. He told
him that, Yeah, that's what caught out with him.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
This cigar is a big deal these days, a thing.
And I'm seeing not just dudes smoking cigars, and it's
like it's it's it's cheek now, you know, Like that's
the thing to do. And I'm just looking at it,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, yeah, it's just like Junior maggots right here. Man,
Like Junion, he ain't gonna smoke sigall. He smoked white boars.
He ain't gonna smoking. But me, I ain't smoking none
of it. I don't figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It's all. It's all, you know what I'm saying, Like
people are trying to sell me. Oh man, you made
a song.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
We like them blunts, and you don't smoke blunts more, no, man,
Because as you get older, you gotta get knowledge. You
gotta get knowledge, you gotta get with it, you gotta
get understanding.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know what I'm saying, Like, oh man.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's an earth. Okay, it's an herth. When you district cheek,
it's an herth. Right, you burrow it, put it in
water or whatever. Right, Okay, if you want a smooth weed.
That's why, like you go to places like Jamaica, they
also order have the weed and brownies and cookies.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because it's how you're supposed to take it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
The minute you put fire to that earth is turned toxing.
It's not desired to go on your box.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So if you're gonna take it, you gotta take it
in that phone. You know what I'm saying, which I
ain't messing with none of it. You know what I'm saying.
But people don't understand that I'm not. That was thirty
seven years ago. Man, I came at ninety six something.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know what I'm saying. Man.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
You know I can totally relate to what you're saying
because I remember one day I wish all the mothers
a happy Mother's Day and somebody went into my comments
on Facebook and said, what about the.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Ball hit home?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Exactly exactly, And look, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's so crazy how the universe wor man.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Because I had just was telling my partner about he
wanted me to get back to the music, and I
was like, you know, I can't do song like dog
be getting nothing no more.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I can't do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So he was telling me about bust down, about the
nasty beat. He said, yeah, man, I told the bus
down a couple of days ago. He said, he don't
perform the song no more.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And then I turned right around and I had seen
you saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But I'm like, we all growing up, you know, like brother,
I said, Man, I got grandkids, I got killed.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I can't do this no more.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Well, here's what I feel about the performance of the songs.
So I took boyet Hose out of my playlist for
the performances right, and it was out for several years.
And one day we're playing somewhere in the Midwest. It's
a ghetto boys show. We're backstage parked in the van
of fifteen passenger van. Two girls come walking up and
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one's like, well, WILLI D well? WILLI D So I'm
sitting right there at the door by the door. So
I slide the door open to the van and I said, yeah,
what's up. She say, I know you're gonna take out,
You're gonna do ball at house. She took off her wig, Yeah,
said I know you're gonna do bollye at Hose And
I turned to Don once put it back in the playlist. Yeah,
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because I realized that those songs ain't mine anymore to
the fans exactly exactly. That's not my songs. If fans
want to hear the song, that's what I'm doing. I
ain't going out there doing with just what I want
to do. It's about what it's about what my fans want.
If you ain't a fan of the song, if you
ain't a fan of Willie d hey Man, you know,
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you really don't matter when it comes to my business.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You see what I'm saying. This is my business.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
This is business right here right My business in my
personal life is two different things.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You did what I'm saying. I'm not gonna go around
just calling women. You're not gonna put no more like that.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But that's different. That's not why I matter. I'm not
making music like that for that music, for those those
fans bought that music, man, you not lie. They bought
that music. They spent that money for their music, that
that music.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
This tripped me out. I'm making songs and I'm thinking
like I'm I'm being intentional by making songs that I
feel that can really make an impact and change people's lives.
I'm doing on songs like the World is a Ghetto
and then you know Ghetto Fantasy, and you know all
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these type of songs like I Tried and stuff like that.
And this chick wrote me a letter one day and
she said that ball head Hole saved her life. And
she said she said she was pregnant and her boyfriend
left her and she was suicidal. She said, listening to
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Baal head Holes every day, it was so funny that
it got her through the day and it made her
on a lip because she would just look forward to
listening to that song and laughing every day, and it
was mine.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I was like, damn, man, I can't try.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To predict what's gonna pop and what's gonna resonate with
people whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Autists. Just make the song and then let her last
and let it do what to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I don't have some of the same stories, you know
what I'm saying. And I now'm like Buzz Donald was
the same way. He stop performing his song and we
did the thing that the Walls thing January seventh, and
at the first time he probably performed that song in
a very long time. And when I say the women
turned up, I was about to say the trip part
about it, I bit. I was about to say, I
(32:22):
bet you the wing it loud. When the look he
left off the stage, he had did his his show.
They wanted the song. He came back and it went,
it went out, you.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And I was like, I said, I don't see no
problem still performing them, but at our age redoing another
song like that, I ain't gonna do that one.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I'm not doing it. That's rap that I can't
do that. It's a rap for me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But boy, if I wanted to though, yeah, boy, I
got about it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, we ain't doing that. We are doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I still got it that get it twisted. I could
go there. But yeah, you know, I think that there's
other guys out there that's on to come up. They're
gonna do that anyway, you know, let them have it.
You know what I'm saying. I'm an elder statesman. You know,
I got some other information that that can be valuable.
If it's always to put out something, you know. Uh,
(33:21):
I see things a lot differently now, exactly right, and
and quite frankly, man, I really don't want to be
a part of anything that's going to further divide.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Black men and women. I'm sound pad.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I don't want to be part of now exactly artists
that exactly hate women.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I don't know sign artists and hate men.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
No, you know what I'm saying exactly, like like we
need to come together? Could brow we we we we
have survived a lot of wars.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
One war.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
We cannot survive as a gender war. That's right, That's
impossible exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And that's why I tell people, like, you know, people
be thinking because like a lot of people know me
from the legend of New Orleans gangster rap. But like
I try, I tell people that was where I was
at then I started that. But it's not the discredit
no other label from New Orleans, you know what I'm saying.
We had all whole bunch of labels, but at the time,
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I'm the one bought that to the table, you know
what I'm saying, Like you know, ghetto boys bought a
lot of music to Houston, y'all. Was the first one
kind of doing it. Might had a couple other one,
but that's what you're know them far, you know what
I'm saying. And that's what I did because at the
particular time, I was a fan of Ghetto Boys.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I was a fan of Easy, I was a fan
of Louke Skywalker. You know what I'm saying. That's who
I related to, you know more.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And then, like I said, I was moving around before
the music. So when I got in it, that's what
I wanted to, you know, rap about. That's what I
wanted them to do, you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
At this time, they was doing a lot of bounce
music in New Orleans. I didn't really want to do that.
I didn't want to do noboduse music. I didn't at
that time. But after I finished the Gangster Wrap, then
I had people like cheek It that had talent, people
like Ricky. I'm like, you know what, let me use
my platform the boom and look look what I did.
(35:18):
The whole world still twerking twenty five, twenty six. That's
all they that's all the ladies want to do.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, that's it. And I was the first one with
Chiky to put it on wax. Yeah, I'm ready for
that damn twork and ship to go yadline.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's cool and it's parting up right now.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's course, you know, like it's crying his course, like
pants hanging off the ass, you know, yeah, speaking of cheeks, you.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Know, yeah, I never did that one.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I can't get with that program. I don't know what
I saw a dude. I saw a dude a couple
of days ago. Of course, youngster, not necessarily cost you,
because it's some dudes. I ahe be walking around like that,
But this dude had his pants all the way down,
like like at the at the bridge of his uh
(36:10):
uh at the bridge of his uh what they call
this underwear.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know, his drawls.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So his whole ass was out, you know, and it's
and I swear to guard, like, I don't know how
a dude can walk around like that and not think
that he's not inviting his ass to somebody who won't
it now, like you know, like I don't understand that peace.
It's just but you know, beyond that, what's crazy to
me is the dude had a bet on.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's what I was about to say. That's what I
was about to say. They had a belt. Wait, that's
what I was about to say. Like they had a
pat What a beut on? What a bet on? Man?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I watch a dude man one day he had his
pants weighed on and he was walking like on mad
and vulletball. That's probably about three four miles and I'm
watching he walking. He holds his pants up the whole
while he walking. I goes down, I come back, I said,
I'm like, and they have a belt on, Like I
ain't never do that one now.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And there's another thing.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm not looking forward to getting shot like a dog
in the street. But you know, if if something like
that was to happen to me, I don't want to
add insult the energy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
By having my pants hanging off my ass.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I won't be laying on the ground with my ass
whole lot. And these dudes ass crack ass out just
laying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And then like we were summinge bro, but we was
coming up the mad thing.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
The more folks told you, boy, be clean under clothes
on because you're gonna get to tell what if you
had to go to the hospital, you better have clean
under clothes on.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They take it all the time. These guys be walking
around like, I'm like, bro, I can't get with that one.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But you know it comes down to parenting because I
told my son early on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
My son tried it, do that ship? Yeah, my son
tried it. Don't do it. We don't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
If I see it look like if I see I
don't even want to see your draws line. I don't
want to see the line of bad. I do want
to see none of that. Boy, ain't supposed to know
what color draws you got on?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You did that? Then the hell color for address? What
is coming in at? Yeah? That's my son is coming
in at.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I told mama son one day, try to I said, boy,
I said, oh you ever tried me like that?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No more?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I said, you you do what I do. You know
what I'm saying, don't do that?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, I know somebody who did try you who really? People?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Oh yeah, some producer tragic. They're trying. They're trying, and
we're going to call you with that is it. Let's
follow go to cold Now we're gonna be going to
Federal colt. Well it now I had to follow losso
I reached out to him. They respine, so he he's
going to the producer's now on Macaroni Tony Macaroni, Tony Macaroney,
(38:54):
Tony never mag and cheese because Macarone it's the one
who made the beat man.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah. He on the lawsuit too. It's gonna come down
to the label that's gonna have to pay them. Yeah,
it's the label and the publishers. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
You know how at work everybody be thinking I'm attacking
the orders and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Man Like, I like, what them kids doing, you know
what I'm saying. Let them do the thing. But the
end of the day, it's business. She used it on
that song tomorrow, right, yeah, tomorrow? Yeah she ain't. She
don't know, she ain't. I don't know. I hear a
beat man. It's live.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And if I'm not familiar with the beat, you know,
most beats that came my way out, I ain't know
where the sample came from or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's jamming. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I wrap on the beat. I leave it up to
the publishers in the record label to do the clearest
part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's the thing. I just get in and do what
I gotta do, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And that's all they have to do is go in
there and do a license the add me to the
song and do what they got they didn't do that,
you know what I'm saying. So it's really they're the
ones who let the ortis down to.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
What probably he probably looked up and said that you
was inactive.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, that's what they probably gonna lee because the song
like almost thirty years ago, you know what I'm saying.
So they're like, oh, he probably ain't around the more.
Probably boom, you know what I'm saying. No, I'm ow
it my fans. My fans soon when they heard it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh gee, they took your they took your your stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So what happened when you made the initial contact and
said hey, you know the lawyer made the contact and
said yo yo yo, Yeah, I'm sure your lawyer sent
the letter and put them on notice. And how did they.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Respect his words? To me?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
He talked to the producer lawyer, and he talked to
hall lawyer, you know what I'm saying. And at first
he said, they try to come with a low ball,
but then the noball he was saying something like ten
percent and a few nickels or something. He said, you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, But then after that he
(40:56):
went kind of back, and then they ain't never respect
ain't no more. So I guess they figure or they
probably just go away, you know what I'm saying. So
then the next step, you gotta follow the lawsuit. And
when he followed lawsuit, that's what TMZ made it public
because you know, lawsuits public files. And once he did,
once he did that, then they jumped on it, you
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know what I'm saying. So the next step is not
a subpoena everybody, and then you know, frag it on
off the court.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, have you ever used
somebody stuff and got song man? I never got so.
I never got so. No, I never got here because
we were gangster with it back then.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Man, Yeah, you Steve Miller like that for on that
Gangster the Bloove son Man. We tried to get it
clear he didn't want a clarb, so we were like, well,
fuck you then, nigga.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You know what I'm saying, We want this song man,
We got to use this song man.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
This I remember it like it was today, Like I remember, Yeah,
he came to get the money.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
No, you can't get the money, but hey, look it
was it was. It was a good, good exchange for us.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
And that's how I was back in the day. I like, man,
we use it. If it make money, I'm just pay them.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah we paid him, like he got paid. But the
thing we didn't mind because Gangster Love was one of
our best songs. It's one of the most requested songs,
and so we made that money in a thousand times over.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, that was a fact change.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But it's a lot easier now, will you know what
I'm saying. You can just go down and grab licenses.
You know, it wasn't back like when we was doing
it that you had to vote to all these spaghetti
traps to get to the person. Like right now, you
can just put it in like you know, my song
was published where they could.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Just went right there and got it and license and
signed me.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
They might have reached out to me. The geta clems
is like that, now you know what I'm saying. But
they tried me, they lost.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
They lost. They don't lose this one. Yeah, and now
now you want it all. I'm sure we.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Got to open the books. We got to see what
they're working with. That's a big song. It's a good
song too, and it's a good big it's a good you.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Know, somebody used master.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I want it all, bro, like if you use it
like if you if you reach out.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's different, exact but exact. Muse it. I'm gonna pull
a Steve Miller. Yeah, I won't go what time?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, pay me. I want it all for real, for real.
But I mean it's a good look for me because
now I'm back circulating, you know what I'm saying, lack
of mobile. Joe in the building said, well, one of
my favorites.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Will it this big? Right? Yah? Well, I ain't gonna lie.
That's big, right, appreciate it? Yes, up?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, and it's it's good to see you finally, you know,
getting your recognition in this landscape called music. Yes, you know,
because people are like, oh we did that, that that
person because they know your artist.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know what I'm saying, Oh, they know, they know
now exactly.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
You know, like back in the nineties, man, it wasn't
too many doors, you know, for us in the South.
You know that even with y'all. You know what I'm saying,
it was hard to get through. They wasn't trying to
recognize us at that time. But you know, we was
damping some good, good music.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And when I say they, I mean they outside of
New Orleans. Yeah, I'm talking about people outside of New Orleans.
They the artist, you know. But but you you're doing
a good job getting yourself out there and getting on
the circuit. And you got to tell your story, because
who better to tell it than you?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Exactly, you gotta tell you help me and the universe
faid me life to tell it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I'm gonna tell it. It's my story, it's my history.
To reloaded podcasts will be right back after street Man,
How did that history begin? At home? Like? What was
it like? A little a little what was little Joe?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Man, my childhood was so so fun because I had
six brothers.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I had seven sisters, damn yeah, all in the same house.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Well well yeah my mom and we had the same
mom and the sad daddy. Yeah. And I was the
youngest of all of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
And like I said, my daddy he had you know, businesses,
so we had money.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
We had a big house.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
So on the weekend, sadness, everybody came to our house,
you know what I'm saying. And that's when the forty
five record was out and all that. So I was
like the DJ, you know what I'm saying. So I
played a records and in our dance and all that.
You know, I had crazy That's what I used to do,
you know what I'm saying. So my childhood it was,
it was beautiful, you know what I'm saying. Because back then,
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if even if somebody got married, our house big enough,
you didn't go through. You didn't have no halls to
go to. They got married at our house. Everything was
right there at the house.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
You grew up in the household with thirty with twelve siblings,
Well you said thirteen and mom and dad and the
entire time.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, my mom and dad stayed together the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
One of my brothers died before I was born, though
one of them had died, you know what I'm saying,
So I never really got to know him.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So did y'all? Did you always? Did you feel rich?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Did you feel that y'all had everything that y'all needed?
Did you feel loved growing up?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah? I felt that.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
You felt I had the best, the best parents in
the world. My parents was the best thing ever came
in my life, my mother and my father. When my
father died my mama was my best friend. So she
passed like it was nothing I couldn't talk to my
mom about.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
So when you made your decision to get into the
street life, how did that affect your relationship with your parents?
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Well, my dad was gone, because my dad was I
was never. I was never probably went that way.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And how old were you when you got into the streets.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh, when I really got into the cocaine, I was
like in my early twenties. But like right as my
dad died and my friend of mine to see how
he treated my mom, I'm like, man, my mom gonna
still live that sound.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Wait, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
You because you felt the obligation exactly exactly step up exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, I felt like it was on me to keep
the family together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So then I stepped out that.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
But at the time, before I really got into selling drugs,
I used to do business burgers and stuff like that.
Like I used to hijack trucks and breaking businesses and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You know what I'm saying. I did that. Yeah, allegedly
that's what I did, you know what I'm saying. Right,
But after that error was.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Over, then I started, you know, working in the streets
doing stuff, and I accumulate money fast because of my
business skills that I knew, you know, I knew how
to take care of being know how to manage money
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
So that's helped me a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, are you still like signing artist now?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Are you back?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Not?
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Really, I'm not really trying to sign all this. I'm
kind of past that, you know what I'm saying. I'm
trying to just get my catalog recognized. You know what
I'm saying right now? For me, it ain't really about
lack of more. It's about my autists getting what they deserve,
you know what I'm saying. So I want to make
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sure if something do happen to me, I'm putting their
music what it can be, you know what I'm saying,
to what they can get, what they supost to get.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You know what I'm saying, and their recognition. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, you know, cheek it is
the Mother Torch. We was the.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
First one to put it on WAX. I want to,
you know, on a national platform. I want her to
be known for that. I want us to be known. Yeah,
I want us to be known Mobile Joe Records for
what we did as a group, just like cash Money
No Limit. I just want everybody to be known for
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that before us signing groups and all that. You know,
I got a couple of projects already finished, and I
just dropped the rule of juvenile thirty anniversary, you know
what I'm saying, to celebrate their legacy. I basically did
that for the fans, for my fan base, you know
what I'm saying. That's why I really came back. You
know what I'm saying, because my personal life is pretty
much intact.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, where are you with.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Your son? You know, the son that you said that
don't want to inherit the bu.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
My youngest son. He he the best son in the world.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
Like, he don't give me no problem graduate he worked,
you know. But it's like I just got him to
start working on a trucking business, you know what I'm saying,
Just doing a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
But for some reason, I'm gonna say like that, like
one of my little nieces, right she was starting all
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their business and I offer some help. And this was
all words and That's why I think a lot of that.
I don't want a handout, and I think that's what
he'd be at with it. You know what I'm saying.
They think it's a handout. They want to do it
on his own. Now I help.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Listen up, Listen up, your youngsters, y'all pay attention. I'm
gonna give some of y'all out there, got some youngsters
in the other room. Gonna give your moment to bring
them in. Okay, times up.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Listen. It's not a handout. It's a hand up.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
When you give him information and instructions along the way,
that's a hand up, not a handout. The idea for
each generation is for the following generation to do better
than they did, to have it a little easier. That
don't mean have it lazier. That means easier, meaning that
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I don't have to go through all of the what
do you say, spaghetti traps and stuff we made that
and make the same mistakes that my daddy made. His
daddy made. You know, it's a thing called nepotism.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Ice Cube Son played him in a movie straight out
of Compton. Now, how much sense would it make for
ice Cube Son to say, well, you know, Dad, I
don't want to play you, even though I know I
could do it, and you know it would be a
slam dump. I think I just want to go blaze
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my own path, you know, in the movie industry, and
still do it. But I don't want to. I don't
want to. I don't want people looking at me as certain.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You think the Rockefeller give a damn about what y'all
think about nepotism and their children having it easier. You
think the rock what do they call them, the Rothchilds,
and even the Trumps, they don't give a damn about
all that stuff y'all talking about, Oh I don't want
to have a hand out and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
People, then people understand that I put the work in.
My daddy put the work in. My mam will put
the work in so that I don't have to do
as much, so that I could have I could actually
have a running start, you know, instead of starting that
square hey like they started that don't make no damn
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sense to me.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And that's why a lot of youngsters make so many
damn mistakes because they won't they won't take advice, they
won't seek advice, let me tell you something, bro, I
I got a shotgun, and I love that shotgun. Me
and him we very close. And I got I got
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an AR two. Right if in the middle of the night,
somebody tried to come into my house, the shotgun is
my first preference. And I got handguns, but the shotgun
is what I would grab first because I don't have
to adjust my eyes. All I gotta do is squeeze
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that trick. I'm gonna hit something something. You know what
I'm saying with the aar, I gotta be a little
bit more accurate.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know what I'm saying. Handgun?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
You know I got fifteen Man, that shotgun gonna hit
your ass in the nose and the ankle, you know,
and your pinky finger. Some gonna get hit your ass,
gonna it's gonna throw you off, some kind of yeah,
man said shotgun. If something coming through that door right there,
all you gotta do is Ai'm at that door.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You're gonna hit something.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Whatever standing that door, You're gonna hit it. So why
would I grab a nine millimeter or twenty two a
darringer exactly? Oh A damn a damn baseball back a stick.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I got a damn shot with that shotgun exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
And somebody trying to come through that door. I'm grabbing
the shotgun, bro, because I want to win every time.
I'm not trying to make.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Miss exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
And it seemed like some people they just hard headed, man,
they just got up make the mistake. But I also
do believe that a lot of times people make mistakes
that whether they say pride comes before the fall, I
did it myself. I used to make mistakes like that
when I was younger. I didn't have a daddy to
go to and consult or whatever. But that was certain
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dudes around me, man, that had more than what I had,
and I already did what I was trying to do,
and I didn't go to them.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You know, I just want you.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
As a man, I'm stubborn and I wanted I made
them and I'm gonna do it on my own and
just made a mistake after mistake after mistake that I
did not have to make. Yeah, And so I would
I would employ these youngsters out here to learn from
the mistakes of others, you know, like you know, like
they say, you know why, a smart man learns from
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his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
That's true. So why the hell.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Am I going to go around that corner if somebody
just came from around the corner just got shot up,
that's right, and he bleeding profuse gathering, he coming around
like I just got stabbed. This dude is stabbing everybody
around the corner. Why the hell would I go around?
Are quack and want to get stabbed? They don't make
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no sense.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
Yeah, I think I think my son and a lot
of these young men having problems because you got, like
you said, your daddy, you ain't have a dad in
your life.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
They got a lot of these rappers and guys that
don't have that.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
But that's not an every household, you see what I'm saying.
So when you got that daddy, thew and you got
ten friends that the dad like all their friends that
love me, you know what I'm saying, They raise their
kid mister Joe. You know cause what they call mister Joe.
You know this, I learned this and that. But then
they be thinking, oh, it's a it's a pushback, you
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know what I'm saying. Like I just showed him a
couple of months ago, I had to show him the
little guy like my adopted's son, like he do my
front office paperwork.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I said, look, man, this.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Man mad thirty nine thousand dollars and six months writing
his own check and its own schedule.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
But then you driving for piece of hud bro. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Then it's something happened to me. You my only son.
You need to know the business to carry it on,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
But they just be that.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
It seems like he's starting to come around, like he's
starting to see like you know what, my daddy.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
And I'm haining at me like you know, saying, let
me get with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
And I ain't gonna lie growing up for me. I
got to take my leg I ain't had no handouts,
I ain't had no help. The older guys they showed
me stuff. But when I got to my teenage years,
all these older guys was dying off.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
The old men had them died off.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
The generator spost teach us like I came here in
sixty seven, So the fifties, the ones came in fifty seven,
there was you know a lot of them was drawing
the drugs and stuff, so they wasn't really teaching us.
So I had to really get mine out of sawd pipe.
I had to really get it. And having money young,
being raised the way I was, I ain't used to
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know how to tell people. Know, if you can't ask
me for something, I had it here a man boom,
And why'd you do that? Because my mama raised me
like that? You know what I'm saying, Like say like this,
how I was in my household saying me and you
friends like you one of my best friends. So say
we go to the ballpark, we kids, we shooting. We said, okay,
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we're gonna play the best out of five. You know
you win. So I'm mad with your boy friends. So
we might go home. Because our house was so big,
I go because I'm mad with Will. I'll go sneaking
the pot and I duck off and go eat. If
my mama came in there and she's seeing Will sitting
there and she said, boy, you want some? If you
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said yeah, I had an ass whooping for that. See
what I'm saying because she always taught me to shall
look out for your family, look out for your people.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
So I was raised like that.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
You know what I'm saying, but I grew up and
it took me a while to figure how to separate it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
I didn't know I said believe it or not.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
I didn't learn how to say no until I went
to prison at nine eight. That's when I learned how
to say no one because if I had it and
I ain't caret.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
So was there a particular incident that made you shut
that down?
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, because on a prison or something I ain't never
wanted to do. I ain't never want to go.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
To jo talking about like with that particular incident in
while you were in No, it wasn't. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (59:08):
It wasn't a particular incident. I was fortunately young. I
had time to start thinking and figuring out that you
have to know when to turn some things off. So
that time that I had, by me being away from
all it could you can act that I'm in jail,
you know what I'm saying. So that's when I figure
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out how things had to start being. That's when I learned.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
Here's a burning question I have for you. Your name
is ire Joe Payne. You have this record label called
Mobile Records, and you got these artists with all of
these gangst names like you know doghouse posse lower level
(01:00:01):
uh organization you got uh uh Julish juganizers.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Why didn't you just name the label pain Records? I
mean it was right there, in line.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
With the Gates, you know, well, the name was right there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
First of all, I didn't like Ivory growing up. It
was soft to me. You couldn't really call me that
unless you grew up my neighborhood. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. I didn't like that now the South, Yeah,
I took your name is but I love it now.
I love it now. Yeah, I love it now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
You know what I'm saying because the women love it
and I you know what I meaning is unique.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
So I know she's done well. The name Mobile came
from one of my childhood friends. He named me Mobo,
and it like back then, when I was around the
seventh grade, it was called me Joe because my name
Ivory Joe Payne.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So this is always called me Joe.
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
So at this time, when I was around the seven
eighth grade, like people say whoa then back then everybody
said what's up? Bowt, what's going on boat right. So,
like I said, I was so young, but I always
hung with the older guys. I always was moving around.
So if I was sixteen, I hung with guys twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
So one day I was they was looking for.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
The guys my age, and they was like, man, Joe
was seen with this one, seeing with that one lost
their shot. He said the next day, we're gona make
up nicknames. I got your name. I said it was mine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
He said, Mobo Joe. I said, man, what are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
He said, well, we're gonna take the mo and rhyme
with bowl because everybody's say and we're gonna just take
that Joe own it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I said, what does it mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Back then Bell saw mobility slogan was on the goal, right,
he said, stand for on the goal because you always going.
So then I adopted it. So that's why everybody's to
call me mobo Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
You know what I'm saying. That It was smooth, I
mean smooth, yeah, mobile, this move, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
But the sick names, the groups and all that, it
just was like, I come up, man, I listened to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
All hard music, bro, Like I'm talking about, listen to
all the hard stuff. The Willities, the iceh Q, the easy.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
So when them young guys, you know, at this in
fifteen sixteen, when it came in my world, now lower
level organization, that was the name men that toy E
came up with. But that's meant being from a lower level,
being deprived of what we're supposed to get as a
black race. You know what I'm saying, being in poverty.
That's what lower level organization meant. You know what I'm
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saying to what because like I say, when I left
from Harvey and went to Desire Project, I didn't know
a little bit for my sisters starting to get the
welfare and food stamps, but we didn't have that for
my dad, you know what I'm saying. So that's what
that name comes from. But when the guys came, I
was living a rootless life. So these young guys, they're
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right there and that's when we started, you know. But
the rutless name came from the crooked and OPD. They
there's some dirty stuff to rutless juvenile, and it was
like what you are rutless juveniles doing? That's what one
of the police called them. They came back and told
to me when we was just we had a name
for the group. So when he said that, let me
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have that, you know what I'm saying, And it just
went like that, cool, cool, cool. What's the podcast going
to be about doing? Like what do you be talking
about in the podcast? On the lack of podcast, I'm
gonna talk about like I just did a lack of
more draft?
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Right, good, I just did it what lack ofmo show.
Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
It's online right now and it's called the most what
valuable job.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
On the planet being a parent? Right?
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
And on that lack of More, I'm breaking down how
importner it is for us as parents, especially you younger
parents with them cell phones, right, because you're giving these
kids these phones and you not monitor them. You're letting
the phone part them. So I had a situation a
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few years ago, me and my adopted son was in
we was down there in Wildwood, Florida, right, and I
was telling them on our way back, his son like
nine years old and he had a phone, and you know,
we just to rule his juvenile you know kids and
(01:04:35):
all that, but the music he was living something like, man,
you know this music is getting real to these kids.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
We ain't have phones though, you know what I'm saying,
like they had.
Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
So I'm like, you shouldn't he shouldn't have a phone,
because he was trying to tell me that he was
trying to tell his wife not to have the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Right, all right, speed it up.
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
So I'm telling him that we gets back, I'm like,
before we got back, I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Got to talk to your wife about this boy with
this phone? Kis home?
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Will? He called me about nine o'clock that night. He said, Pop,
He said, you're gonna be up for a mick. I
go to sleep early. I said, yeah, what's going on?
He said, i'nna call you back. I'm hoping that w
and his wife aint got into it. So he tells
me that man, you write about these phones. His seven
year old daughter had a cell phone. His wife goes
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back in the phone till six months, three months, and
the phone, this seven year old girl had been watching
little boys have sex with little boys little girls on
the phone. This real well that this little girl unseen.
Once you see something, you can't take it away. Seven
years old, you know what I'm saying. So then I
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got a friend of mine truck. He had a mobile
abound and now Chris when at this truck show. His
little boy had a phone too. I called him, No,
I texted him. I said, well, you hit me when
you get some free timey to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
He calls me.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I said, man, what's going? Said man, look, I need
to talk to you about this incident with the phone.
When I talked to him, His daughter thirteen got a phone.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Know what she been doing.
Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
She been going back and forll the little girl on
sex stuff at thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
You know what I'm saying. So I talked about stuff
like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I talked about the food we eat, all this food
that did. You know you gotta be very careful what
you're putting in your body. You know, people like, man,
how you look so young, look so good. I don't
eat like that. Then from I e my last meal
December thirty first, I ate the last meal, no later
than seven o'clock. I don't eat no mold to January
(01:06:45):
twenty second. I've been doing that since like twenty fifteen.
How fast you mean you don't eat after seven o'clock?
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
No, I don't eat for twenty one days? What you
mean you don't eat for twenty I just drank water.
We mean you drink what's you talking about? How fast?
Twenty one day, twenty one days every month. I do
it once a year. You do once a year from
what day?
Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
From the first of the year, I don't eat to
the twenty second of January, I just drank water. And
after about that says twenty fifteen, for twenty one days
anything you drink water. You don't drink any juices, no,
no juices.
Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Well, I drank straight.
Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
I drank just a little sip one hundred percent apple juice.
It can't be from other juices. It gotta be one
hundred percent apple juice. Because after about seven days, eight days,
your moum will get, you know, real real dry, you
know what I'm saying. And you got to get you
some sugar free holes because your your mouth gonna get
dry and stuff like that. But doing this, it cleans
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your body out, you know what I'm saying. Just like
you said earlier about your call got exhaust pipe, you
flush your call ready here, you frush your call out.
You don't frush your system. You know what I'm saying,
a lot of time your sales reproduced. So if you
got canceled, you know, by these fastest.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It's breaks this. How the hell do you not eat
and not fall out? Willing you? You was a box
of well as matter of fact, I just he wind
up doing it twice.
Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Hold on second and I just got my ex girlfriend
she did it this year.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Whip me and my nephew did it. How do you
get through it? When will it? You have so twenty
four hours?
Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
You know it's the first steventy two. It's your hardest.
It's the first seventy two, the first in the first
to fall out. No, well, I'm talking about the first
steven to two. You don't want to go around food.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You're gonna go in the kitchen. After that, you're not
gonna have no more cravy.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
So you got parasites that lives in you by this
bad food that they really addicted to the sugar. So
that's what like a kid or even you, you might
go somewhere and you might see something that you like,
a hundred bun. Two reasons why you want that hundred
bun because it registered with the parasites that lives in you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Plus you had a relationship.
Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
With that hunting bun. You know how it tastes you
know what I'm saying, some people might pull the left piece.
So that relationship and then you go to thinking about
the parasitle.
Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I need that, you know what I'm saying. That's
how it works.
Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
So you get a parasite, you get to flush your
system just like you flush your car.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
It's not hard after the twenty one days, I mean,
after the three days, the seventy two hours, you're not
gonna be hunger anymore. With the after three days, maybe
the fifth, sixth, seventh day, you're gonna start using a.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Bathroom like you gonna. I drive my truck and off
when I'm doing this, Man, this is what I'm trying
to get to. Bro have.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
The closest I've come to fasting is is uh, when
I was doing the vegan thing, why I juiced. I've
juiced for like seventy two hours, and then I've uh,
then I've juiced for a week, and then I like
for two weeks. I was a vegan for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
After those two weeks, man, when I was walking around, Bro,
I was I was by. I felt like I was
gonna faint. Man, And you know, I'm a ghetto bock.
So faint names, gangster. I cannot faint, man, I cannot
do that. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
I can work out, I can drive my truck, I
can run. I can do everything I want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Like the food takes your energy, It takes your energy. Man,
you know what I'm saying. I tell you this.
Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I'm gonna tell where I got it from. If anybody
want to know, go online and man, a little sis thought. No,
the Bahamas. Man, what's his name, man, doctor Miles Monroe,
That's where I got it from.
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
From the Bahama. Rest in peace. He died. He teached
the whole thing on his program.
Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
And killed him like they did, say you doctor Miles
Monroe cut him into his minister.
Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I used to be into all that. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
You know, you know they shot him and his wife
and the young Paula was on the plane and boom,
he went down.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
He went down in twenty fifteen because after year I
went to the ministry. But he had taught me the
fast because how I got on it, they had just
put me on a brook Press appel.
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And I don't believe in people.
Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I don't take aspirins or none of that and that
when I start figuring out, man, now something man, right,
you know what I'm saying. So then I start learning
about fasting and stuff like that. You know what I'm
It's good. But you got me thinking, You got me
seriously thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I'll tell you what virtually they call.
Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I'll get your shot. I guarantee you to do it.
We can do it together. I got people doing women now.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You know what, I'm willing to give it a shot. Man,
I don't I don't mind changing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I don't mind. Man, when it's time for you to
go in, you ain't got no more. How do you
want to be remembered? I just won't remember from you know,
being a real good person. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
You know a lot of people say I got a
big heart, and I want to recognize from having a
big heart. You know what I'm saying. You know, I
just won't be recognized like you know, like my mama.
She went as a legend. You know what I'm saying.
Everybody you know loved to my mama, and I just
won't be loved.
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
At the end of the day, I really won't be
known for the love of God for my people. I
don't love nothing on as planet more than a love
I hell for us as a race, because I know
we were set up.
Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I know that don't get no really than that. Ladies
and gentlemen, Mobo Joe on the Real No More Talk.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
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