September 22, 2025 • 45 mins
This week, Roz reunites with her scrumptiously spooky co-star of Living for the Dead, Alex LeMay! Steeling their nerves, the two revisit their freakiest bts moments from Living for the Dead PLUS Alex shares the eerie provenance of her real life haunted doll!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the bed. It's spooky. Hey, Joky, I'm
really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute.
I'm ghosted Ima Nandaz.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Plles.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by
ros Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
I like about the paranormal. However, we are making an
exception today because I am talking to Alex LeMay. We
(00:47):
talk about that time we did a ghost hunting TV
show together for eight episodes that was on Hulu. Maybe
one day people will get to see it again. I
have no clue, but the two of us, that's how
we met. And she is like a real deal paranormal investigator.
(01:10):
She's really into doing it. She's got all the toys.
I mean, the thing with me in paranormal investigating. Maybe
I need to set the record straight a little bit.
I love talking about ghosts, love that. I'm so fascinated
by the topic. I like paranormal investigating. I will never
(01:35):
do it if there's no cameras rolling, Okay, I have
no interest. Sometimes people will be like, you want to
come do a ghost No, No, I don't, So I'm sorry.
If I've given anyone the wrong impression because they've seen
video of me doing it. I'll do it if there's
a camera rolling, but I don't. I don't love it
(01:58):
as much as somebody like Alex. Alex loves it. Alex
goes and just does it, and she buys haunted objects
to have in her home. You'll never see me doing that. Okay,
I'll hear about it. I'll talk. Oh, tell me about
it for hours. I want to hear every crazy thing
that happened. I am not I'm not going out doing that.
(02:20):
It's too scary for me. And it's scary, but also
it's like a lot of just like sitting waiting for
a ghost. And sometimes I've done it where you go
to a place that it's like, Okay, these girls are ready,
they are here, they've been waiting for me, and that
that's that's a little bit more fun. But at the
(02:40):
same time, I'm like, oh, I hate this because it's
so scary. But I've also done it a number of
times where I'm like, nothing is happening and I'm just
like here with all these machines, and then I start
to be like what what am I doing? Like call
a friend like why am I do I need somebody
to talk to that bad? Why can't I just let
(03:02):
this dead person just sleep? Like what?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I asked myself A lot of questions in these moments.
I want to continue to do them on my YouTube
because I do. I love the experience of getting a
cute outfit and going to these places and see what happens,
because I genuinely do love being able to capture stuff
(03:27):
and I love just the process of it. But I
also kind of hate it at the same time because
I'm because I'm such a scaredy gud I really am.
But I plan to do more on my YouTube, so
make sure you're following my YouTube, which is roz Hernandez
the Haunted Doll. And unfortunately, I did film one that
(03:55):
Alex LeMay did a cameo on, and I act deleted
everything and it is horrible. It is so so sad
because I spent a lot of time and effort and
money and then, since I am not somebody that knows
anything about how cameras work and I just try to
pull it off on my own, I accidentally deleted it.
(04:19):
So that sucks. But I'm not giving up. I'm going
to figure out how to never do that again, and
I will be doing some work ghost hunting because I've been,
I've been, I've been craving it, so look out for that. Okay.
So on today's episode is me and Alex reminiscing, gigglin
(04:42):
hearing some ghost stories, that kind of stuff. I hope
you enjoy my ketchup with my old pale Alex leamay
on with the show. Hey, dumb bitch.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Hey, can I say that when we get in trouble
for that?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Try another one. Let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
We can't talk like we do on the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think we can. Hey a dumb bitch, Hey, how
are you? Whoor?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I miss you so much?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Ah, so funny. I love to bully.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You, I know, but I love it. So it's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You're so fun to bully because you're just so sweet.
You're like sweet, You're like a goths, a goth sweetie.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh thanks, raz you're sweet too. No, I'm not, yes,
you can. You don't want people to know, which you
actually are a huge sweetie.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But because you're like some people are always to me
like oh oh roads the spooky Queen is coming. Oh
she's spooky oo, and I'm like No, I'm not. I'm not,
but you're like spooky.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, it's lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I feel like that's more you Like, I'm looking at
your backdrop right now. You're very into like Victorian lots
of the color black, lots of like lace and candles
and that kind of a spooky thing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah. I wanted to kind of look like a dungeon
in here, a little medieval. You had some haunted dolls.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh okay, we're gonna have to talk about these haunted dolls.
So okay, anyone listening. It's very possible that you would
not know about this. But the two of us, for
five minutes, hosted a TV show together. We were part
of a cast of five GBTQ ghost hunters. We did
(07:03):
a TV show is called Living for the Dead. It
was on Hulu. If you're looking for it, I can
hear people typing living for now. Just stop. You won't
be able to find it anywhere. It's not streaming. They
removed it. But it did happen. I know it happened.
We were there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's two of us.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
There is a fan base for it. I like to
think of it like it's a cult, as a cult
following and it's like you had to be there. There
were definitely people that were there and we love them
that watched it. And now there's clips. There's clips on
my YouTube, there's clips on your YouTube and our social medias.
(07:48):
But with it not being around, it's kind of fun
because we can kind of act like and then there
was this other crazy thing that happened, like we can,
I guess, kind of play it up because no one
can verify.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, I can say whatever we want now.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, it is interesting because like the last time you
were on, the show was just coming out, so we
were like promoting it and then then it came out
and then it was available for a few months and
then it disappeared, which is sad. But I don't know,
we should just like talk about that, yeah, because people
ask me questions about it all the time, and I
(08:24):
don't know how I feel when it's brought up, Like
I have like great memories, but I'm also like so
sad that you can't see it anywhere. And here's the
other thing people need to know. And I don't blame
the average human being for not knowing this kind of thing.
But we were just two people that were on the show. Okay,
(08:46):
we don't know anything else. Like people will be like,
when's the next season? What happened, honey, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We have no clue they pulled it and didn't even
tell us. The whole reason we even knew it was
taken off Hulus because somebody had texted me who went
to go watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And they couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And was like, what's happening?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I mean, how do you feel when people bring
it up?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, it's complicated because I'm proud. I'm proud that
we did this thing, this body of work we worked
so hard on. But at the same time, there's nowhere
for you to see it, and I'm not sure why
they haven't released it, maybe to be or somewhere else
to be streamed. It's just a big question.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I love to be too, That's the thing. I am
so proud of the work we did, and we had
a lot of fun together we did. I remember when
before I did Living for the Dead, I would interview
people that did ghost hunting shows, and I always had
like all these questions that were like not about the
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ghost hunting. Like I would always be like, what kind
of snacks do you guys eat when you're shooting or
like what do you do? Like are you all like
staying in a hotel and then you like hang out
of and like so now that I've done it, it's
interesting because that part of it people don't see, but
that's such a huge part of the memory I have
of it. Was like the fun we would have go
(10:13):
into the strip club. Yes, well we did an episode
in a strip club, a haunted strip club, but we
also went to the Mail strip club.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, we did, and we've been back a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You and I. You and I are male strip club regulars.
I love the male strip clubs. Actually I was at
a mail strip club in Portland and I got recognized
from Living for That.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I love that. Yes, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Complicated? Yeah? One of the male strippers was like, oh
my god, you were on that show. I watched that
show and he's like what's it? What was it called?
And I'm like Living for the Dead. And then he
was like, okay, now I gotta go dance up on
the pole and he's good. But then he told all
(11:08):
the strippers like all the other ones, and then they
were like watching the clip, the infamous clip from the
show and one of them was like, he goes, did
you do a skit with a ghost? And I was
like a skit with a ghost? I'm like yeah, because
I think what he meant was like he saw the
clip or whatever. I don't know. Anyway, we love strip clubs,
(11:30):
you and I we do.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
We definitely do we get into trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We do, even I what should we talk about ghosts?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, we have a couple questions that we were asked.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh I did post? Okay. I asked my Instagram followers
as did you do you have any questions for the
two of us? And listen, my followers aren't necessarily like
journalists or anything, so I was kind of thinking that
they were going to be like who hooked up with
who when you were shooting? Like I thought they were
(12:06):
going to come for like the tea, but instaid they
were like, what's your favorite piece of ghost hunting? I'm like, okay, now,
now like let's like I want to I wanted to
be a little juicy. It's ghosted. I don't know what
kind of questions did you get.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I got a couple of good ones.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Somebody asked about deleted scenes and if there are any
good ones that we remember? Well?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Who knows what deleted scene? First of all, there were
a lot. There's eight hours of deleted scenes because all
eight episodes are not available, so it's all a deleted scene.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's true, all seasons with deleted scene. At this point,
what was.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The one that I was like, I wish that they
would have showed, Oh, I know what it was when,
because I didn't sleep at the one place exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Is that one. Yeah, that was the final episode we
had done after two months or whatever of traveling around
staying in haunted places, and I was so over it,
over the sleeping and haunted places part of it, Like
I You're over why you no? Easy? Easy? The only
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thing that I really did not like was sleeping in
haunted places. That was like that was a very big
thing for me, and like, especially at the time I
was vegan, Like I kind of go back and forth
with like vegan and vegetarian, and like being in tone
upon Nevada to go to the clown Motel, there was
(13:57):
like no options for me. This one had a side
dish of asparagus and toast, and that was what I
ate the entire time. I was there terrible. Yeah, the
food was I think I very quickly ended up just
like because I ate a lot of doughnuts and stuff
that I don't think we're vegan, but whatever. Yeah, So
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that that scene one of my favorites. That's the first
one that comes to mind, which was after this long shoot,
they said we had to sleep at this place because
not all of that, not every single one we had
to sleep at. The final one was one that we
had to sleep at, and I was like, there's no way, Like,
I cannot do this again. We had already spent the
(14:40):
day there and I got sick being in the room
that I was supposed to sleep in. And I don't
know if that was ghosts or if I was just nervous,
or if I just was eating bad at that point.
I don't know, because I did gain weight throughout it
because I was just like stress eating so much. But anyway,
I luckily was able to finagle it where I could
(15:03):
sleep at a non haunted hotel for that one, any
of us could have, but the rest of you are
into ghosts crawling up on you when you sleep, and
so you didn't care. But I do call me crazy.
I don't like that. So I was able to be like, listen,
(15:25):
I ain't doing that, Like I want to sleep in
a real hotel.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah. Well, Also another thing is that you didn't tell
us that you weren't staying there. There were a few
of us that didn't know, Like I had the idea
that you were going to leave until the next morning.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was a surprise, and I kind of I kind
of did a version of this in my YouTube series
The Haunted Dolt. But I made like a pillow RAS
in the bed and I had a fake ponytail that
I put in the head of the pillow, and I
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made it look like I was in the bed and
I snuck out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She had her her shoes at the edge of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The bed, high heels with the pony'sail. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To set the scene, it's the next morning. It cuts
into us all waking up talking about how we were
sleeping and stuff, and we have on the screen all
the security cameras and in the corner we're all like,
where's Ras. And you can see in the corner the
security camera of your room, it's this outline that looked
like a dead body. The way you were laying like
(16:32):
it looked very much like me legs spread out two
shoes in different directions. The hairpiece on the pillow, and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I don't think I ever saw it. I don't think,
but I know that Juju went into the room trying
to figure out why I was still sleeping, and she
learned that I was a pillow and not really me
and so. And that's what was so funny, was Juju
being pissed off and finding my my cheap ponytail. I mean,
(17:08):
I feel like maybe I did see footage of this.
I don't know, but I just remember, Yeah, that was
a scene that I thought was so funny.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It was hilarious because she goes up there. She's like,
oh hell now, roll just don't sleep and went up
there to see what was going on and she snatches
the hair piece it is around. They like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Because then I so hard that I came back overfresh
the next day, having slept not with ghosts, and I
get busted by everyone else.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, she said something like whose cheap hair pieces? This
came down the stairs?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh that was nice, But what about ghost stuff? A
lot happens when the cameras aren't rolling like PARANOI normally.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I remember when we went to that funeral home place
in Cleveland. I remember shooting stuff there that was like
so scary that I think because a time or whatever
we never got to see. But like just being alone
in this like old crumbling building that allegedly is a
(18:23):
portal to hell or whatever the hell and I'm just
like in the pitch black, can't see anything like that
really scared me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh, I remember when I was in the cloud room.
I was laying in the coffin by myself and you were,
I think, on the stairs and there was that huge
bang that scared literally everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Didn't the door fell over or something like.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Not just fell over, like the whole thing came crashing down,
and it was so loud.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
There was like a metal door that wasn't attached to
a wall, but it was like I think it was
like against a wall or something, and it fell in
a way that was blocking the stairs. And those were
the stairs that I would have had to go down
to get to where you were. And we were all
so scared because we heard this noise. And then when
I went down the stairs to go see you or whatever,
(19:15):
there was like a full door that was just wait,
can we talk about your ear infection. Yeah, yeah, episode
we did you decided because you're crazy, Yeah, to lay
in a real human coffin.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah. Well it was one that they showed the bodies
it like you would rent out at the mortuary, and
it was on another floor and I was like, hey,
you know what would be cool is if you guys
put that in the room. I'm going to investigate in
I want to investigate inside of it because that cloud
room was originally the showing room for all the coffins
and stuff, so it made sense to me to put
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that in there as a trigger object. And of course
the producer were like, yes, we'll do that, no problems.
So they carried it up like tooth or they know.
They carried it down tooth flights to the cloud room
and I laid in it. And I didn't think that
there would be any issues doing that, but apparently there
was because the next day I woke up having like
an ear ache, and as the days progressed, I ended
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up having to go to urgent care for an ear infection.
And when they when they got in there with the
thing to see, she literally gasped and I was like what,
She's like, hang on, I need to go get my colleagues. So,
like a couple of the people come in and they're
talking about She's like, you have mushrooms growing in your
ear And I'm like, you're you're actually kidding me right like,
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and it was on the side that I was laying
in the coffin. She's like, no, actual mushrooms. I've only
ever seen this in textbooks. We want to show everybody
else if that's okay, like all the other staff members,
so they know what they want to see it. And
I was like, okay, sure, she cleaned it out and
let me see the mushrooms that were growing in my ear,
but like, did you.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Make a necklace or something. That's the kind of thing
you would do.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Shouldn't let me keep it. But I had like nightmares
that I was gonna be Grand zero for like a
zombie apocalypse or some kind of weird mushroom was going
to start growing in my brain and controlling me. I
have some weird nightmares after that.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That is so I mean, no offense, but gross, Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's gross. It was weird. It's very weird. Had two
different medications. It took weeks for that to go away,
so who knows, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
What is that like a dead body? Dead body juices
were like in your ear?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I don't know. Okaycuse when you think of fungus, do
you think of like decomposing bodies? You know?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, the most scared I ever was the entire time
we did this was when we were at the scariest
place we went in Bisbee, Arizona. We're at the Copper
Queen Hotel. Scariest place I have ever been in my
entire life. Back because you're, yeah, crazy, we did a
(22:04):
Oiji board. Oh yeah, that didn't make it into the show.
I don't think no. But first of all, it looked sickening,
like we had like candles everywhere, and I've never been
more scared in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Everybody was freaked out.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like truely, it was so scary, and Ken, who knows
about seances and whatever, it was like, let us in
this Ouiji board session.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Let's set the scene for everybody listening. So we're on
the bottom floor. Okay, they've moved all the furniture out.
The lights have been dimmed.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's like in the lobby, right in the.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Lobby, the lights have been dimmed. At this point in
the episode, we've already come to the conclusion that there
might be something darker here. So we're kind of on
edge because we've had that communication prior. There are real candles,
not the fake ones. By the way, we have a
beautiful circle of these candles that are in the entire room.
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It's the circle that we've created with a spiritboard in
the middle and a blanket, and we're all sitting there
with their hands on the board. So it was a
gorgeous scene.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And we all we all had had experiences at this point,
we were all very like convinced that this place is haunted.
We had already heard stories that like there was some
kind of darkness going on in this place. Yeah, and
Ken told us like, keep your fingers on the plan
chat the little movie thing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And whatever you do, don't leave the circle.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, And we were like getting freaked out, getting some
answers whatever, and then like right at the perfect time,
we heard like bam, like the loudest bang on the
ceiling or wall or something in the room.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It sounded like a car hit the side.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yah, the building. It really did.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I've never heard anything that loud, so loud.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And so of course we all lifted our hands up
off of the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh, it was so scary that the producers and everybody ran.
They booked it. There were a couple of camera men
that stuck around, but the producers ever be booked it
around the corner and they went down to the bar
like they ran. So we're how scary one.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We've all broken the circle. We have all kind of like,
you know, moved our hands away. And I'm telling you,
when I heard that bang, it's a feeling I have
felt very few times in my life where I was like,
what is reality? What is anything? Oh my god, this
is when the demons come and take over the universe.
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Like I don't know what the hell is going on.
And then all of a sudden, so the producers come
in the room. We're all like what was that? That
was crazy? We're trying to figure it out. People are
like hitting the walls trying to like recreate it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Then this life on the ceiling that was like way
up on the ceiling turns on and we're in like
this pitch black candlelit room and it turns on and
the crew member guy that had put that light up
there on a ladder earlier, he was just like so
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freaked out. He's like, I don't know how that could
have turned on. You would have to like touch it
and press the button and whatever, Like it can't just
turn on. I can't activate it any other way, Like
it's you have to touch it to turn it on.
There was just multiple people at the same time being like,
what is reality? This is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced,
(25:42):
And it was so scary.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It was so freaky. That was one of my favorite
moments to happen for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What's another question people gave you.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Did we have any weird dreams of the locations, assuming
we were able to sleep? No, I can't think of any.
Oh I did at the Cloud Motel.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, the Clown Motel. I slept with you.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, for part of it when I was there for
the first two nights though, I didn't sleep at all.
And I don't know if I was dreaming or if
I was awake, because at that point I was like delirious.
I was staying in the most haunted room at number eleven,
and I kept seeing this like tall guy with suspenders
on in the corner of the room. I'd like wake
up at two am and there was just this man
standing there. It was terrifying and there's nowhere to go.
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So I ended up staying with you. I think I
stayed with Juju one night. I was like being tormented
mentally there. That was scary for me.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I hated it. And that was the first thing
that we had done. Yeah, I was like, are you
fucking kidding me? I had to do eight weeks of
sleeping in these places. This is awful.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, it was an experience.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
When everyone else is awake, I had the time of
my life, but when it was nighttime, I can't sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The way that you. I remember coming into your room
being like, okay, cool, we're gonna There was two beds
so we could share a room because I wasn't sleeping
alone anymore. I wasn't sleeping at that point, and iver
you put sleep unless all of the lights were on.
She slept sitting up against the bed, which was almost
very creepy to experience, because I'd look over and you'd.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Be like, first of all, you sleep walk, which is
very creepy.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But you were sleeping, like sitting up ready to go
in case you needed to leave.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Or beam with my shoes on.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yes, you were ready, you were sitting up.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I had a to go kit or whatever, like it
was a state of emergency. At any point, I was
ready to leave because I think they told me that
the room that I was supposed to stay in there
had I don't know, people wake up and they see
a man sitting in a chair staring at them or
something like what the fuck? Yeah, no, tell us a
(28:01):
ghost story.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
A ghost story sound weird?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You? So you do like haunted dolls?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You're one of these these people that we talk about
all the time on this show. So what's your situation
with the haunted dolls?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I got a couple. Honestly, I don't think haunted dolls
are very common. I don't think it's a thing that
happens as often as people think it does. I have
one specific doll that I came into via estate sale,
and I wasn't looking for dolls, but I went to
this estate sale and this guy had a box full
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of stuff and it was just a bunch of envelopes
and a doll, and I asked to buy the whole
lot and took it home and realized that like, I
had bought someone's entire family history. And when I got
the box home, I started like going through things. Stuff
in my room started moving on its own, Like I
had books falling down off my bookshelf. What Yeah, like
(29:04):
weird things. And I would just brush it off because
I'm I don't know, unless it's I can see with
my own eyes that's moving by itself. I will always think, Oh,
someone slammed the door too hard and that's what caused
it to fall over, you know what I mean. I
just want to be skeptic unless I know for sure.
But too many things started happening. As I was going
through this doll's history, and I pull out this picture,
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which I'll send to you so you can have it.
But I have a photograph of this family and there's
a little girl in the picture holding a doll, and
it's the doll that's in the in the box, and
it's dated like nineteen oh eight, nineteen twelve something like that.
It turns out that her family were all Freemasons. So
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I have a bunch of Freemasonry history.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Do you have secrets in there? I feel like those Freemasons.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yes, I have a bunch of weird pictures. I also
have what I think is potentially a story there with her,
and I'm researching a lot, Like I can't say too
much because I don't know for sure, but I'm doing
a lot of research trying to figure out who she was,
what her life was like. But that doll in particular
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has so much energy, and anyone who's met her is like, oh,
there's something going on there. And the doll has the
necklace of the little girl in the picture on from
the early nineteen hundred. So I have just this incredible collection.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Whip her out.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
She's not here.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
She's at this place downtown Mesa at the haunted museum
called East Valley Paranormal. So you can visit her.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay, are they keeping her in a little terrarium like
like Annabelle.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
She's got her own box that I gave her. It's
very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
She have like one of those hamster water bottles. Like
that's what That's how I feel about Annabelle. They keep
her in there like she's a little pet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They do, they really do. I want to release her
and free her, so I think my goal to go
hang out with.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Her release Anna Bell.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, I want to go hang out with her and
have a tea party. She deserves it. Something fun in
her life.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
The two of you would get along. I think, I
think so.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So this doll is downtown Mesa. You can visit her.
All of her stuff is on display. It's really cool.
They're doing a lot of research with the Mesa History
Historic Foundation or I don't remember exactly what it's called
to try to like figure out what her history was
with the family, and her history in Arizona and how
she got here. So we're still discovering.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All of that. Had they had anything weird happened since
having her?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yes, So there is another doll that she came with
that I didn't think was haunted, that I also included
with her, and they're in the setup together. It's her
and this other very old doll from the nineteen hundreds,
and they have audio of two little girls talking and
it's on I have it on my phone. I can
send it to you. But there's two little girls talking
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and I think that's them.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What were they saying?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I can't really make it out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're like this bitch with the mushrooms in her ears,
Like gosh, she's gone. It's weird ass bitch with the
mushrooms growing out her damn head.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Maybe that's why I'm so weird? Is this just infiltrated
inside my brain.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Like that before knock it off? Yeah? Can I show
you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's time for the dolls are living. So I go
to eBay dot com and I find haunted dolls and
I want to show you one. Have you ever bought
one from eBay? No? Have you ever considered selling yours
on eBay?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Uh? Sometimes I've thought about it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You should.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I don't have that many.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I think about it all the time, just selling a
bunch of writing backstories. Anyway, here's one for you today.
I would like for you to meet Saraphin Jihashaw was Saraphin?
You got it? Ras? There she is?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, she's cute.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I feel like this is more of like a figurine
than a doll.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ooh is that a mailbox?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
She has a mailbox. I feel like this is like
from a Christmas display or something, because she's wearing like
a fur trimmed coat and she's like she's mailing a
letter to Santa or something. I don't know though maybe
for her lover. She's just like, you know, white lady
in a pink coat and there's a little mailbox in
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front of her. However, she comes with a bio. It says,
this is how it starts out. It goes, She does
not ask, she does not beg She claims there are
demons who torment, demons who deceive, demons who destroy. But
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Saraphin is a creature of more intimate hunger. She does
not invade with violence. She enters with heat, she consumes
with pleasure, and she leaves you wanting more. Her mailbox
gleams pure gold, sealed, unyielding, no hinges, no slit, no keyhole.
(34:28):
It's not for messages. It is a monument, a symbol
that she is always watching, always listening. Okay, So basically
it goes on to tell you that she will she'll
have sex with you. Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I love the descriptors. I hope someone talks that great
about me one day.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It says that you can write her a letter, and
it says, pour yourself onto the page. Desires too twisted
to voice, fantasies, too dangerous to name, honest, be dirty,
be desperate. Fold the letter, Lay it beside the vessel
before midnight, Sleep naked with your heart open.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I buy this one. This one got me.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
This sounds like one you're you'd be into.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I want to meet her?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah? Basically, uh, you just write her a letter, you
tell her what kind of kinks and fetishes you're into,
and she'll, I guess, slide into your bed and uh
seems like whatever you're into, she's here for it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah. I would just want to have a sleepover and
hang out and just talk about all of the secrets
she's been told, because I know she's probably got some
good ones.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh my god. See that's what I would do. I
wouldn't want to sleep with her or whatever sexually, but
I would be like, girl, tell me stories like the
tea I want to hear about, like the freakiest person
that's ever bought you off eBay? Yeah, how does this?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did people buy her and then when they've tried everything,
whether then they're oh, now I feel bad for her.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Well, she must like doing it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I don't know, but that's saraphin. She's going for eighty
eight dollars and eighty eight cents. Can I play you
some ghost voices?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's time for EVP or ev please. Okay. So I
go to YouTube and I get Electronic Voice Phenomena aka
EVPs ghost voices, you know, speak and say and stuff.
And I got two of them for you today, Alex Lamay,
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and I want you to tell me what these ghosts
are saying, then I'll give you an abc D. The
correct answer is what the person that posted it believes
it's saying.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay. This first one is from Eerie Cupcake e that's
the person's name. Cute. I don't know the luucium, but
can you tell me, please, my dear, what this ghost
is saying. Okay, so there's clearly been some editing. How
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does it end up where it gets that robotic sound?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, like digital artifacting. It just gets saved and corrupted.
But it kind of sound like someone said don't touch
it or.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Something, don't touch it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I don't know, though, it sounds really crazy in my headphones.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I think maybe you're getting flashbacks from going to the
mail strip club, a male stripper saying don't touch it.
Just look, that's not.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
What they were saying. Go to church.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yes, that's another thing that a stripper probably said to you.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't know what I hear.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, here's some options. Did they think it was a
two damn tight, B so damn tired, C slow down
time or D you are so my type. The last
one they think it was B so damn tired.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It really does sound like go to church a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Wait, let's listen again, Candy here so damn tired. Okay,
here's another one. This one is from a person named
Bob Nicks, and they wrote that they were at an
eighteen hundred's County museum in northwest Ohio. They went to
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a porter party as they were investigating, and when they
out there, they heard a voice say I see you
so I think. Then they went to the bathroom and
then they turned on the recorder because they were like,
I want to hear from that ghost, because I heard
a ghost. Okay, oh my god, what is this ghost saying? Okay,
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it's a little mickey mousey? What whoo?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And he goes, I have no idea, but I definitely
hear the Mickey mousey the peeping cooper.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Did they think it was a Hi Steve? Oh fuck,
I thought you were my friend, Steve. Did they think
it was B stop please, I got something to tell you.
Did they think it was C? I see I talked
to you earlier, or d hi, queen, I funk with
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a queen like that. Okay, it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's the Steve one.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Hi Steve, Oh, I thought you were my friend Steve.
They believe it was see, I see I talked to
you earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I would make that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, Okay, I hear that.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, fun though, Hi Steve, Oh you're not Steve.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh fuck, I thought you were Steve. Alex A pretty
much like that doesn't fine, That's that's the end of
you and I cool. So please stop calling me.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I will call you in like an hour.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
We need to go go hunting together, you and I.
We actually did go a couple of weeks ago. We
went to a location together and we filmed it, and
the genius who was in charge of filming was me
and I accidentally deleted everything.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Though it was not good. It was not good. You
and I had a great time together. We had some activity, for.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sure, oh yeah, and pizza and pizza.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
We only did it for a couple of hours. I
don't want to like build it up too much because
it's yet another thing you can't see that we're talking about.
But it just means that we have to do it again. Absolutely,
we absolutely must do it again because it was really
fun and it's nice to do these things with you
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because you are crazy and you are not very scared
of this stuff, and I am scared of this stuff,
so it's nice to have you around.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think we're a good dynamic Alex.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
What do you want the people to know while you
got them?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh? Well, I'm doing some investigations with some friends on
my own on YouTube under it's Alex Lamay, so you
can check me out there and on Instagram under it's
Alex Lamy as.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, gay and people can look forward to you and
I doing it one day together.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yes, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Ron Hi, Steve, thanks for doing this. I'll talk to
you later.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Sounds good bye.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Bye, all right, shut off all the power. Thank you
so much to Alex LeMay. Yeah, I wish I wish
you all could see the TV show that we were on.
I don't know what to tell you again. I was
just I was just on it, so I don't I
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don't know anything else. I don't know who for you
to tell that you want it back, like people will
be like, who do I need to tell I don't.
I don't, I don't even I don't know how any
of it works truly. Maybe one day, well you'll be
able to see it again, but until then you could
enjoy the clips and the memories because it was a
really special project. Okay, well, I love you all, both
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living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has been
an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience
on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes
(43:56):
I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by
Raz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM
or voice message to the show's instagram at ghosted by Roz.
Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me
Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and on TikTok and
Twitter at It's roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the
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startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
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Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying
Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgariff, the
spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen
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What's that at the bed. It's spooky. Hey, Joky, I'm
really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute.
I'm ghosted Ima Nandaz.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Plles.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by
ros Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
I like about the paranormal. However, we are making an
exception today because I am talking to Alex LeMay. We
(00:47):
talk about that time we did a ghost hunting TV
show together for eight episodes that was on Hulu. Maybe
one day people will get to see it again. I
have no clue, but the two of us, that's how
we met. And she is like a real deal paranormal investigator.
(01:10):
She's really into doing it. She's got all the toys.
I mean, the thing with me in paranormal investigating. Maybe
I need to set the record straight a little bit.
I love talking about ghosts, love that. I'm so fascinated
by the topic. I like paranormal investigating. I will never
(01:35):
do it if there's no cameras rolling, Okay, I have
no interest. Sometimes people will be like, you want to
come do a ghost No, No, I don't, So I'm sorry.
If I've given anyone the wrong impression because they've seen
video of me doing it. I'll do it if there's
a camera rolling, but I don't. I don't love it
(01:58):
as much as somebody like Alex. Alex loves it. Alex
goes and just does it, and she buys haunted objects
to have in her home. You'll never see me doing that. Okay,
I'll hear about it. I'll talk. Oh, tell me about
it for hours. I want to hear every crazy thing
that happened. I am not I'm not going out doing that.
(02:20):
It's too scary for me. And it's scary, but also
it's like a lot of just like sitting waiting for
a ghost. And sometimes I've done it where you go
to a place that it's like, Okay, these girls are ready,
they are here, they've been waiting for me, and that
that's that's a little bit more fun. But at the
(02:40):
same time, I'm like, oh, I hate this because it's
so scary. But I've also done it a number of
times where I'm like, nothing is happening and I'm just
like here with all these machines, and then I start
to be like what what am I doing? Like call
a friend like why am I do I need somebody
to talk to that bad? Why can't I just let
(03:02):
this dead person just sleep? Like what?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I asked myself A lot of questions in these moments.
I want to continue to do them on my YouTube
because I do. I love the experience of getting a
cute outfit and going to these places and see what happens,
because I genuinely do love being able to capture stuff
(03:27):
and I love just the process of it. But I
also kind of hate it at the same time because
I'm because I'm such a scaredy gud I really am.
But I plan to do more on my YouTube, so
make sure you're following my YouTube, which is roz Hernandez
the Haunted Doll. And unfortunately, I did film one that
(03:55):
Alex LeMay did a cameo on, and I act deleted
everything and it is horrible. It is so so sad
because I spent a lot of time and effort and
money and then, since I am not somebody that knows
anything about how cameras work and I just try to
pull it off on my own, I accidentally deleted it.
(04:19):
So that sucks. But I'm not giving up. I'm going
to figure out how to never do that again, and
I will be doing some work ghost hunting because I've been,
I've been, I've been craving it, so look out for that. Okay.
So on today's episode is me and Alex reminiscing, gigglin
(04:42):
hearing some ghost stories, that kind of stuff. I hope
you enjoy my ketchup with my old pale Alex leamay
on with the show. Hey, dumb bitch.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Hey, can I say that when we get in trouble
for that?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Try another one. Let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
We can't talk like we do on the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think we can. Hey a dumb bitch, Hey, how
are you? Whoor?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I miss you so much?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Ah, so funny. I love to bully.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You, I know, but I love it. So it's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You're so fun to bully because you're just so sweet.
You're like sweet, You're like a goths, a goth sweetie.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh thanks, raz you're sweet too. No, I'm not, yes,
you can. You don't want people to know, which you
actually are a huge sweetie.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But because you're like some people are always to me
like oh oh roads the spooky Queen is coming. Oh
she's spooky oo, and I'm like No, I'm not. I'm not,
but you're like spooky.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, it's lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I feel like that's more you Like, I'm looking at
your backdrop right now. You're very into like Victorian lots
of the color black, lots of like lace and candles
and that kind of a spooky thing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah. I wanted to kind of look like a dungeon
in here, a little medieval. You had some haunted dolls.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh okay, we're gonna have to talk about these haunted dolls.
So okay, anyone listening. It's very possible that you would
not know about this. But the two of us, for
five minutes, hosted a TV show together. We were part
of a cast of five GBTQ ghost hunters. We did
(07:03):
a TV show is called Living for the Dead. It
was on Hulu. If you're looking for it, I can
hear people typing living for now. Just stop. You won't
be able to find it anywhere. It's not streaming. They
removed it. But it did happen. I know it happened.
We were there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's two of us.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
There is a fan base for it. I like to
think of it like it's a cult, as a cult
following and it's like you had to be there. There
were definitely people that were there and we love them
that watched it. And now there's clips. There's clips on
my YouTube, there's clips on your YouTube and our social medias.
(07:48):
But with it not being around, it's kind of fun
because we can kind of act like and then there
was this other crazy thing that happened, like we can,
I guess, kind of play it up because no one
can verify.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, I can say whatever we want now.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, it is interesting because like the last time you
were on, the show was just coming out, so we
were like promoting it and then then it came out
and then it was available for a few months and
then it disappeared, which is sad. But I don't know,
we should just like talk about that, yeah, because people
ask me questions about it all the time, and I
(08:24):
don't know how I feel when it's brought up, Like
I have like great memories, but I'm also like so
sad that you can't see it anywhere. And here's the
other thing people need to know. And I don't blame
the average human being for not knowing this kind of thing.
But we were just two people that were on the show. Okay,
(08:46):
we don't know anything else. Like people will be like,
when's the next season? What happened, honey, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We have no clue they pulled it and didn't even
tell us. The whole reason we even knew it was
taken off Hulus because somebody had texted me who went
to go watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And they couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And was like, what's happening?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I mean, how do you feel when people bring
it up?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, it's complicated because I'm proud. I'm proud that
we did this thing, this body of work we worked
so hard on. But at the same time, there's nowhere
for you to see it, and I'm not sure why
they haven't released it, maybe to be or somewhere else
to be streamed. It's just a big question.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I love to be too, That's the thing. I am
so proud of the work we did, and we had
a lot of fun together we did. I remember when
before I did Living for the Dead, I would interview
people that did ghost hunting shows, and I always had
like all these questions that were like not about the
(09:52):
ghost hunting. Like I would always be like, what kind
of snacks do you guys eat when you're shooting or
like what do you do? Like are you all like
staying in a hotel and then you like hang out
of and like so now that I've done it, it's
interesting because that part of it people don't see, but
that's such a huge part of the memory I have
of it. Was like the fun we would have go
(10:13):
into the strip club. Yes, well we did an episode
in a strip club, a haunted strip club, but we
also went to the Mail strip club.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, we did, and we've been back a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You and I. You and I are male strip club regulars.
I love the male strip clubs. Actually I was at
a mail strip club in Portland and I got recognized
from Living for That.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I love that. Yes, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Complicated? Yeah? One of the male strippers was like, oh
my god, you were on that show. I watched that
show and he's like what's it? What was it called?
And I'm like Living for the Dead. And then he
was like, okay, now I gotta go dance up on
the pole and he's good. But then he told all
(11:08):
the strippers like all the other ones, and then they
were like watching the clip, the infamous clip from the
show and one of them was like, he goes, did
you do a skit with a ghost? And I was
like a skit with a ghost? I'm like yeah, because
I think what he meant was like he saw the
clip or whatever. I don't know. Anyway, we love strip clubs,
(11:30):
you and I we do.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
We definitely do we get into trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We do, even I what should we talk about ghosts?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, we have a couple questions that we were asked.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh I did post? Okay. I asked my Instagram followers
as did you do you have any questions for the
two of us? And listen, my followers aren't necessarily like
journalists or anything, so I was kind of thinking that
they were going to be like who hooked up with
who when you were shooting? Like I thought they were
(12:06):
going to come for like the tea, but instaid they
were like, what's your favorite piece of ghost hunting? I'm like, okay, now,
now like let's like I want to I wanted to
be a little juicy. It's ghosted. I don't know what
kind of questions did you get.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I got a couple of good ones.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Somebody asked about deleted scenes and if there are any
good ones that we remember? Well?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Who knows what deleted scene? First of all, there were
a lot. There's eight hours of deleted scenes because all
eight episodes are not available, so it's all a deleted scene.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's true, all seasons with deleted scene. At this point,
what was.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The one that I was like, I wish that they
would have showed, Oh, I know what it was when,
because I didn't sleep at the one place exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Is that one. Yeah, that was the final episode we
had done after two months or whatever of traveling around
staying in haunted places, and I was so over it,
over the sleeping and haunted places part of it, Like
I You're over why you no? Easy? Easy? The only
(13:34):
thing that I really did not like was sleeping in
haunted places. That was like that was a very big
thing for me, and like, especially at the time I
was vegan, Like I kind of go back and forth
with like vegan and vegetarian, and like being in tone
upon Nevada to go to the clown Motel, there was
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like no options for me. This one had a side
dish of asparagus and toast, and that was what I
ate the entire time. I was there terrible. Yeah, the
food was I think I very quickly ended up just
like because I ate a lot of doughnuts and stuff
that I don't think we're vegan, but whatever. Yeah, So
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that that scene one of my favorites. That's the first
one that comes to mind, which was after this long shoot,
they said we had to sleep at this place because
not all of that, not every single one we had
to sleep at. The final one was one that we
had to sleep at, and I was like, there's no way, Like,
I cannot do this again. We had already spent the
(14:40):
day there and I got sick being in the room
that I was supposed to sleep in. And I don't
know if that was ghosts or if I was just nervous,
or if I just was eating bad at that point.
I don't know, because I did gain weight throughout it
because I was just like stress eating so much. But anyway,
I luckily was able to finagle it where I could
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sleep at a non haunted hotel for that one, any
of us could have, but the rest of you are
into ghosts crawling up on you when you sleep, and
so you didn't care. But I do call me crazy.
I don't like that. So I was able to be like, listen,
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I ain't doing that, Like I want to sleep in
a real hotel.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah. Well, Also another thing is that you didn't tell
us that you weren't staying there. There were a few
of us that didn't know, Like I had the idea
that you were going to leave until the next morning.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was a surprise, and I kind of I kind
of did a version of this in my YouTube series
The Haunted Dolt. But I made like a pillow RAS
in the bed and I had a fake ponytail that
I put in the head of the pillow, and I
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made it look like I was in the bed and
I snuck out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She had her her shoes at the edge of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The bed, high heels with the pony'sail. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To set the scene, it's the next morning. It cuts
into us all waking up talking about how we were
sleeping and stuff, and we have on the screen all
the security cameras and in the corner we're all like,
where's Ras. And you can see in the corner the
security camera of your room, it's this outline that looked
like a dead body. The way you were laying like
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it looked very much like me legs spread out two
shoes in different directions. The hairpiece on the pillow, and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I don't think I ever saw it. I don't think,
but I know that Juju went into the room trying
to figure out why I was still sleeping, and she
learned that I was a pillow and not really me
and so. And that's what was so funny, was Juju
being pissed off and finding my my cheap ponytail. I mean,
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I feel like maybe I did see footage of this.
I don't know, but I just remember, Yeah, that was
a scene that I thought was so funny.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It was hilarious because she goes up there. She's like,
oh hell now, roll just don't sleep and went up
there to see what was going on and she snatches
the hair piece it is around. They like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Because then I so hard that I came back overfresh
the next day, having slept not with ghosts, and I
get busted by everyone else.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, she said something like whose cheap hair pieces? This
came down the stairs?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh that was nice, But what about ghost stuff? A
lot happens when the cameras aren't rolling like PARANOI normally.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I remember when we went to that funeral home place
in Cleveland. I remember shooting stuff there that was like
so scary that I think because a time or whatever
we never got to see. But like just being alone
in this like old crumbling building that allegedly is a
(18:23):
portal to hell or whatever the hell and I'm just
like in the pitch black, can't see anything like that
really scared me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh, I remember when I was in the cloud room.
I was laying in the coffin by myself and you were,
I think, on the stairs and there was that huge
bang that scared literally everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Didn't the door fell over or something like.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Not just fell over, like the whole thing came crashing down,
and it was so loud.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
There was like a metal door that wasn't attached to
a wall, but it was like I think it was
like against a wall or something, and it fell in
a way that was blocking the stairs. And those were
the stairs that I would have had to go down
to get to where you were. And we were all
so scared because we heard this noise. And then when
I went down the stairs to go see you or whatever,
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there was like a full door that was just wait,
can we talk about your ear infection. Yeah, yeah, episode
we did you decided because you're crazy, Yeah, to lay
in a real human coffin.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah. Well it was one that they showed the bodies
it like you would rent out at the mortuary, and
it was on another floor and I was like, hey,
you know what would be cool is if you guys
put that in the room. I'm going to investigate in
I want to investigate inside of it because that cloud
room was originally the showing room for all the coffins
and stuff, so it made sense to me to put
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that in there as a trigger object. And of course
the producer were like, yes, we'll do that, no problems.
So they carried it up like tooth or they know.
They carried it down tooth flights to the cloud room
and I laid in it. And I didn't think that
there would be any issues doing that, but apparently there
was because the next day I woke up having like
an ear ache, and as the days progressed, I ended
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up having to go to urgent care for an ear infection.
And when they when they got in there with the
thing to see, she literally gasped and I was like what,
She's like, hang on, I need to go get my colleagues. So,
like a couple of the people come in and they're
talking about She's like, you have mushrooms growing in your
ear And I'm like, you're you're actually kidding me right like,
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and it was on the side that I was laying
in the coffin. She's like, no, actual mushrooms. I've only
ever seen this in textbooks. We want to show everybody
else if that's okay, like all the other staff members,
so they know what they want to see it. And
I was like, okay, sure, she cleaned it out and
let me see the mushrooms that were growing in my ear,
but like, did you.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Make a necklace or something. That's the kind of thing
you would do.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Shouldn't let me keep it. But I had like nightmares
that I was gonna be Grand zero for like a
zombie apocalypse or some kind of weird mushroom was going
to start growing in my brain and controlling me. I
have some weird nightmares after that.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That is so I mean, no offense, but gross, Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's gross. It was weird. It's very weird. Had two
different medications. It took weeks for that to go away,
so who knows, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
What is that like a dead body? Dead body juices
were like in your ear?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I don't know. Okaycuse when you think of fungus, do
you think of like decomposing bodies? You know?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, the most scared I ever was the entire time
we did this was when we were at the scariest
place we went in Bisbee, Arizona. We're at the Copper
Queen Hotel. Scariest place I have ever been in my
entire life. Back because you're, yeah, crazy, we did a
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Oiji board. Oh yeah, that didn't make it into the show.
I don't think no. But first of all, it looked sickening,
like we had like candles everywhere, and I've never been
more scared in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Everybody was freaked out.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like truely, it was so scary, and Ken, who knows
about seances and whatever, it was like, let us in
this Ouiji board session.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Let's set the scene for everybody listening. So we're on
the bottom floor. Okay, they've moved all the furniture out.
The lights have been dimmed.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's like in the lobby, right in the.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Lobby, the lights have been dimmed. At this point in
the episode, we've already come to the conclusion that there
might be something darker here. So we're kind of on
edge because we've had that communication prior. There are real candles,
not the fake ones. By the way, we have a
beautiful circle of these candles that are in the entire room.
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It's the circle that we've created with a spiritboard in
the middle and a blanket, and we're all sitting there
with their hands on the board. So it was a
gorgeous scene.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And we all we all had had experiences at this point,
we were all very like convinced that this place is haunted.
We had already heard stories that like there was some
kind of darkness going on in this place. Yeah, and
Ken told us like, keep your fingers on the plan
chat the little movie thing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And whatever you do, don't leave the circle.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, And we were like getting freaked out, getting some
answers whatever, and then like right at the perfect time,
we heard like bam, like the loudest bang on the
ceiling or wall or something in the room.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It sounded like a car hit the side.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yah, the building. It really did.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I've never heard anything that loud, so loud.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And so of course we all lifted our hands up
off of the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh, it was so scary that the producers and everybody ran.
They booked it. There were a couple of camera men
that stuck around, but the producers ever be booked it
around the corner and they went down to the bar
like they ran. So we're how scary one.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We've all broken the circle. We have all kind of like,
you know, moved our hands away. And I'm telling you,
when I heard that bang, it's a feeling I have
felt very few times in my life where I was like,
what is reality? What is anything? Oh my god, this
is when the demons come and take over the universe.
(24:42):
Like I don't know what the hell is going on.
And then all of a sudden, so the producers come
in the room. We're all like what was that? That
was crazy? We're trying to figure it out. People are
like hitting the walls trying to like recreate it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Then this life on the ceiling that was like way
up on the ceiling turns on and we're in like
this pitch black candlelit room and it turns on and
the crew member guy that had put that light up
there on a ladder earlier, he was just like so
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freaked out. He's like, I don't know how that could
have turned on. You would have to like touch it
and press the button and whatever, Like it can't just
turn on. I can't activate it any other way, Like
it's you have to touch it to turn it on.
There was just multiple people at the same time being like,
what is reality? This is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced,
(25:42):
And it was so scary.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It was so freaky. That was one of my favorite
moments to happen for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What's another question people gave you.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Did we have any weird dreams of the locations, assuming
we were able to sleep? No, I can't think of any.
Oh I did at the Cloud Motel.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, the Clown Motel. I slept with you.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, for part of it when I was there for
the first two nights though, I didn't sleep at all.
And I don't know if I was dreaming or if
I was awake, because at that point I was like delirious.
I was staying in the most haunted room at number eleven,
and I kept seeing this like tall guy with suspenders
on in the corner of the room. I'd like wake
up at two am and there was just this man
standing there. It was terrifying and there's nowhere to go.
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So I ended up staying with you. I think I
stayed with Juju one night. I was like being tormented
mentally there. That was scary for me.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I hated it. And that was the first thing
that we had done. Yeah, I was like, are you
fucking kidding me? I had to do eight weeks of
sleeping in these places. This is awful.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, it was an experience.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
When everyone else is awake, I had the time of
my life, but when it was nighttime, I can't sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The way that you. I remember coming into your room
being like, okay, cool, we're gonna There was two beds
so we could share a room because I wasn't sleeping
alone anymore. I wasn't sleeping at that point, and iver
you put sleep unless all of the lights were on.
She slept sitting up against the bed, which was almost
very creepy to experience, because I'd look over and you'd.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Be like, first of all, you sleep walk, which is
very creepy.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But you were sleeping, like sitting up ready to go
in case you needed to leave.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Or beam with my shoes on.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yes, you were ready, you were sitting up.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I had a to go kit or whatever, like it
was a state of emergency. At any point, I was
ready to leave because I think they told me that
the room that I was supposed to stay in there
had I don't know, people wake up and they see
a man sitting in a chair staring at them or
something like what the fuck? Yeah, no, tell us a
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ghost story.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
A ghost story sound weird?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You? So you do like haunted dolls?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You're one of these these people that we talk about
all the time on this show. So what's your situation
with the haunted dolls?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I got a couple. Honestly, I don't think haunted dolls
are very common. I don't think it's a thing that
happens as often as people think it does. I have
one specific doll that I came into via estate sale,
and I wasn't looking for dolls, but I went to
this estate sale and this guy had a box full
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of stuff and it was just a bunch of envelopes
and a doll, and I asked to buy the whole
lot and took it home and realized that like, I
had bought someone's entire family history. And when I got
the box home, I started like going through things. Stuff
in my room started moving on its own, Like I
had books falling down off my bookshelf. What Yeah, like
(29:04):
weird things. And I would just brush it off because
I'm I don't know, unless it's I can see with
my own eyes that's moving by itself. I will always think, Oh,
someone slammed the door too hard and that's what caused
it to fall over, you know what I mean. I
just want to be skeptic unless I know for sure.
But too many things started happening. As I was going
through this doll's history, and I pull out this picture,
(29:25):
which I'll send to you so you can have it.
But I have a photograph of this family and there's
a little girl in the picture holding a doll, and
it's the doll that's in the in the box, and
it's dated like nineteen oh eight, nineteen twelve something like that.
It turns out that her family were all Freemasons. So
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I have a bunch of Freemasonry history.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Do you have secrets in there? I feel like those Freemasons.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yes, I have a bunch of weird pictures. I also
have what I think is potentially a story there with her,
and I'm researching a lot, Like I can't say too
much because I don't know for sure, but I'm doing
a lot of research trying to figure out who she was,
what her life was like. But that doll in particular
(30:12):
has so much energy, and anyone who's met her is like, oh,
there's something going on there. And the doll has the
necklace of the little girl in the picture on from
the early nineteen hundred. So I have just this incredible collection.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Whip her out.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
She's not here.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
She's at this place downtown Mesa at the haunted museum
called East Valley Paranormal. So you can visit her.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay, are they keeping her in a little terrarium like
like Annabelle.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
She's got her own box that I gave her. It's
very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
She have like one of those hamster water bottles. Like
that's what That's how I feel about Annabelle. They keep
her in there like she's a little pet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They do, they really do. I want to release her
and free her, so I think my goal to go
hang out with.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Her release Anna Bell.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, I want to go hang out with her and
have a tea party. She deserves it. Something fun in
her life.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
The two of you would get along. I think, I
think so.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So this doll is downtown Mesa. You can visit her.
All of her stuff is on display. It's really cool.
They're doing a lot of research with the Mesa History
Historic Foundation or I don't remember exactly what it's called
to try to like figure out what her history was
with the family, and her history in Arizona and how
she got here. So we're still discovering.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All of that. Had they had anything weird happened since
having her?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yes, So there is another doll that she came with
that I didn't think was haunted, that I also included
with her, and they're in the setup together. It's her
and this other very old doll from the nineteen hundreds,
and they have audio of two little girls talking and
it's on I have it on my phone. I can
send it to you. But there's two little girls talking
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and I think that's them.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What were they saying?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I can't really make it out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're like this bitch with the mushrooms in her ears,
Like gosh, she's gone. It's weird ass bitch with the
mushrooms growing out her damn head.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Maybe that's why I'm so weird? Is this just infiltrated
inside my brain.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Like that before knock it off? Yeah? Can I show
you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's time for the dolls are living. So I go
to eBay dot com and I find haunted dolls and
I want to show you one. Have you ever bought
one from eBay? No? Have you ever considered selling yours
on eBay?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Uh? Sometimes I've thought about it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You should.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I don't have that many.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I think about it all the time, just selling a
bunch of writing backstories. Anyway, here's one for you today.
I would like for you to meet Saraphin Jihashaw was Saraphin?
You got it? Ras? There she is?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, she's cute.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I feel like this is more of like a figurine
than a doll.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ooh is that a mailbox?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
She has a mailbox. I feel like this is like
from a Christmas display or something, because she's wearing like
a fur trimmed coat and she's like she's mailing a
letter to Santa or something. I don't know though maybe
for her lover. She's just like, you know, white lady
in a pink coat and there's a little mailbox in
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front of her. However, she comes with a bio. It says,
this is how it starts out. It goes, She does
not ask, she does not beg She claims there are
demons who torment, demons who deceive, demons who destroy. But
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Saraphin is a creature of more intimate hunger. She does
not invade with violence. She enters with heat, she consumes
with pleasure, and she leaves you wanting more. Her mailbox
gleams pure gold, sealed, unyielding, no hinges, no slit, no keyhole.
(34:28):
It's not for messages. It is a monument, a symbol
that she is always watching, always listening. Okay, So basically
it goes on to tell you that she will she'll
have sex with you. Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I love the descriptors. I hope someone talks that great
about me one day.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It says that you can write her a letter, and
it says, pour yourself onto the page. Desires too twisted
to voice, fantasies, too dangerous to name, honest, be dirty,
be desperate. Fold the letter, Lay it beside the vessel
before midnight, Sleep naked with your heart open.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I buy this one. This one got me.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
This sounds like one you're you'd be into.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I want to meet her?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah? Basically, uh, you just write her a letter, you
tell her what kind of kinks and fetishes you're into,
and she'll, I guess, slide into your bed and uh
seems like whatever you're into, she's here for it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah. I would just want to have a sleepover and
hang out and just talk about all of the secrets
she's been told, because I know she's probably got some
good ones.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh my god. See that's what I would do. I
wouldn't want to sleep with her or whatever sexually, but
I would be like, girl, tell me stories like the
tea I want to hear about, like the freakiest person
that's ever bought you off eBay? Yeah, how does this?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did people buy her and then when they've tried everything,
whether then they're oh, now I feel bad for her.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Well, she must like doing it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I don't know, but that's saraphin. She's going for eighty
eight dollars and eighty eight cents. Can I play you
some ghost voices?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's time for EVP or ev please. Okay. So I
go to YouTube and I get Electronic Voice Phenomena aka
EVPs ghost voices, you know, speak and say and stuff.
And I got two of them for you today, Alex Lamay,
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and I want you to tell me what these ghosts
are saying, then I'll give you an abc D. The
correct answer is what the person that posted it believes
it's saying.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay. This first one is from Eerie Cupcake e that's
the person's name. Cute. I don't know the luucium, but
can you tell me, please, my dear, what this ghost
is saying. Okay, so there's clearly been some editing. How
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does it end up where it gets that robotic sound?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, like digital artifacting. It just gets saved and corrupted.
But it kind of sound like someone said don't touch
it or.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Something, don't touch it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I don't know, though, it sounds really crazy in my headphones.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I think maybe you're getting flashbacks from going to the
mail strip club, a male stripper saying don't touch it.
Just look, that's not.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
What they were saying. Go to church.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yes, that's another thing that a stripper probably said to you.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't know what I hear.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, here's some options. Did they think it was a
two damn tight, B so damn tired, C slow down
time or D you are so my type. The last
one they think it was B so damn tired.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It really does sound like go to church a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Wait, let's listen again, Candy here so damn tired. Okay,
here's another one. This one is from a person named
Bob Nicks, and they wrote that they were at an
eighteen hundred's County museum in northwest Ohio. They went to
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a porter party as they were investigating, and when they
out there, they heard a voice say I see you
so I think. Then they went to the bathroom and
then they turned on the recorder because they were like,
I want to hear from that ghost, because I heard
a ghost. Okay, oh my god, what is this ghost saying? Okay,
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it's a little mickey mousey? What whoo?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And he goes, I have no idea, but I definitely
hear the Mickey mousey the peeping cooper.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Did they think it was a Hi Steve? Oh fuck,
I thought you were my friend, Steve. Did they think
it was B stop please, I got something to tell you.
Did they think it was C? I see I talked
to you earlier, or d hi, queen, I funk with
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a queen like that. Okay, it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's the Steve one.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Hi Steve, Oh, I thought you were my friend Steve.
They believe it was see, I see I talked to
you earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I would make that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, Okay, I hear that.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, fun though, Hi Steve, Oh you're not Steve.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh fuck, I thought you were Steve. Alex A pretty
much like that doesn't fine, That's that's the end of
you and I cool. So please stop calling me.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I will call you in like an hour.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
We need to go go hunting together, you and I.
We actually did go a couple of weeks ago. We
went to a location together and we filmed it, and
the genius who was in charge of filming was me
and I accidentally deleted everything.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Though it was not good. It was not good. You
and I had a great time together. We had some activity, for.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sure, oh yeah, and pizza and pizza.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
We only did it for a couple of hours. I
don't want to like build it up too much because
it's yet another thing you can't see that we're talking about.
But it just means that we have to do it again. Absolutely,
we absolutely must do it again because it was really
fun and it's nice to do these things with you
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because you are crazy and you are not very scared
of this stuff, and I am scared of this stuff,
so it's nice to have you around.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think we're a good dynamic Alex.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
What do you want the people to know while you
got them?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh? Well, I'm doing some investigations with some friends on
my own on YouTube under it's Alex Lamay, so you
can check me out there and on Instagram under it's
Alex Lamy as.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, gay and people can look forward to you and
I doing it one day together.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yes, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Ron Hi, Steve, thanks for doing this. I'll talk to
you later.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Sounds good bye.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Bye, all right, shut off all the power. Thank you
so much to Alex LeMay. Yeah, I wish I wish
you all could see the TV show that we were on.
I don't know what to tell you again. I was
just I was just on it, so I don't I
(43:09):
don't know anything else. I don't know who for you
to tell that you want it back, like people will
be like, who do I need to tell I don't.
I don't, I don't even I don't know how any
of it works truly. Maybe one day, well you'll be
able to see it again, but until then you could
enjoy the clips and the memories because it was a
really special project. Okay, well, I love you all, both
(43:35):
living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has been
an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience
on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes
(43:56):
I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by
Raz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM
or voice message to the show's instagram at ghosted by Roz.
Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me
Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and on TikTok and
Twitter at It's roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the
(44:20):
startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
(44:41):
Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying
Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgariff, the
spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen
(45:02):
to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Host
Roz Hernandez
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