July 28, 2025 • 51 mins
Roz shivers with antici…pation for the return of filmmaker, actor, writer, drag ICON, and co-host of Midnight Mass, Peaches Christ! A velvety darkness descends as the two scream queens discuss stigmata, a mysterious case of Jesus toast, and recent discoveries involving the unsolved death of LEGENDARY drag queen, actor, and activist, Heklina.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the bed.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's spooky, jooky.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait
a minute, I'm ghosted. I gos nandas.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Pllease hey boo, it's me Ro's and welcome to Ghosted
by Ros Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
that I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Peaches Christ is back for her I think third visit,
I lose track truly. One of my favorite people in
the whole wide world, Peaches Christ. She has a wonderful
cult movie podcast with Michael Varati. It's called Midnight Mass.
She's just she's non stop busy, just creating the coolest
(01:05):
cult cinema experiences. And she's just my kind of queer.
I just love her so much and I'm so grateful
for my friendship with her. And we talk a little
bit today about the ongoing investigation of her dear friend, Hecklina,
(01:28):
who's a drag queen who was mysteriously found dead by Peaches.
And so it's a little bit more of the true
crime element today. There's a little bit of ghostiness in
there as well. Let me, just for good measure, give
you a ghost story here. This one's from Sarah, who
says when I was fifteen or so, I went to
(01:50):
stay with my best friend at her aunt's house in
rural New Hampshire. It was an old house and had
a secret room off the main staircase that was used
as part of the underground railroad. It had been a
safe house. One night, my friend and I went to bed.
(02:10):
My friend wanted to read, and at that time I
could not sleep with even an ounce of light in
the room, so I went to another bedroom across the
hall by the staircase. I went to sleep quickly and
woke up in the middle of the night to the
noise of someone coming up the stairs. I thought it
was strange that my friend had gone downstairs, but didn't
(02:31):
think much of it. But instead of turning towards her room,
the footsteps started coming towards my room. It was a
house built in the seventeen hundreds, and every floorboard seemed
to creak. The footsteps came into my room and went
around to the side of my bed, and then just
(02:51):
seemed to stop next to me. I asked my friend
what she wanted and why she was up, and she
did not answer. I could feel something lean on the
bed I opened my eyes and lowered the blankets from
my face, and I saw a figure standing by my bed.
(03:14):
It had no distinct characteristics such as male or female,
but it was a tall, human like form. I was terrified,
and after some minutes of panic and getting up the nerve,
I reached to turn the light on and there was
nothing there. Terrified, I ran back to the room where
my friend was sleeping soundly. Needless to say, the next night,
(03:36):
I just put up with the light while my friend
read before going to sleep. Wow. God, sleeping at people's houses.
I can't do it. I need my like just the
way you are with your sleep. You gotta have I see,
I have to have a light on. That's become my
problem because of this podcast and these terrifying stories you
(03:57):
tell me when you're in the dark. Thanks for sending
me that. Okay, you know I'm on tour roz Hernandez
tour dot com traveling all over the place. Oh my god,
so many fun shows, meeting so many great people. Most
of the shows I'm doing free meet and greets after
they are all twenty one and up, and I've got
(04:21):
exclusive roz Hernandez merch and I'd love to see you there. Okay,
here we go, me and my dear friend Peaches christ
On with the show. Wow Wow, Well I don't believe it.
(04:46):
We are once again joined by the IC. Peach Is
christ Hi, dear.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, that's not fair, because we should let the list
know that your actual greeting to me was hello, sewer pickle. Okay,
sewer pickle, that's what you called me just moments ago.
We need to pull back the curtain here and you
should all know the real raws.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Let's pull back the pickle. One thing that I remember
about Peaches is that this one time when we were together,
you were telling me a story that you heard in
England people calling a wasn't as a poop, right, they
(05:36):
call it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
No, you're getting the stories mixed up.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, then you tell it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So Hecklena, the late Great Hecklena, she used to call
her turds sewer pickles, and she would say, I had
to make a sewer pickle. So of course I loved
that because it's so you know, it's very descriptive. But
what I was telling you about England is they have
really kind of fabulous slang pejoratives insults for gay people, okay,
(06:07):
which of course I love. I mean, you've probably heard
of poof or poofter like that to me sounds so
like that doesn't I'm not offended by that. That sounds
kind of I don't know, funny to me. But they
also call them, you know how, we call or at
least we did when I was growing up, gay people
turd burglars. Ah, Yes, okay, they say shit stabbers, which
(06:31):
actually makes more sense because it's more of a stabbing
than a reaching in and pulling out. No one's trying
to steal a.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Turd, That's the thing. I I have never liked that one.
I like the name of it, but burglars has a
nice sound. Yeah it feels good on the tongue. But
does I've just not known a lot of turd burglars existing.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But they do exist. We should, we should acknowledge of.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Course there we want to honor.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The scot Queens.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm sure you know many personally, Yeah, I do. It's
the type of people you associate with.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, anyway, I digress. Aren't we supposed to be talking
about ghosts?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well? I believe that one day I will go to
England and ghost hunt and I'll be called all of
these nests.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Ghosts are always insulting you.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, they love coming from me and I just eat
it up. The best thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh my god, let's please. I want to go because
you know I love England.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I want to go with you while you were just there.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah I was, and I'm going back.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Good.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh my god, when you go for your ghost hunting
tour in England, please let me know. I would love
to hear what they call you.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Do you want to talk about going to England and
all of that. Heckleina Sure.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For listeners who don't know, Hecklina was a great friend
of mine, a fabulous trailblazing drag queen who passed away
while we were in England to go. They're performing our
show Mommy Querist back in twenty twenty three, and I
found her dead. It was horrifying. It's definitely the most
traumatic thing that's ever happened to me. But it was
(08:10):
only kind of made worse by the fact that the
British police basically just kind of ignored the whole thing.
And you know, we still to this day don't have
a death certificate. You know, over two years later, we
don't have a death certificate. We've had very very little movement,
and there's a lot more to it. I mean, we'd
take up the whole show if I actually went into
all the detail. Point is the met Police have a
(08:31):
long history of ineptitude when it comes to dealing with
queer people, or worse than ineptitude, like actual negative bias.
And so I went over there and held a protest.
We held it right in front of Scotland Yard and
it was very powerful and it achieved our goals, which
was to get them to take more action, which they have.
(08:52):
I actually had a a phone call this morning with
the detectives and it's sad to me that that's what
it took, you know, that it took me going to
the press after begging them, you know, for action. But
protests we have to remember, especially in this era, you know,
protests and getting people of like mind to join together
(09:13):
makes a difference, or it can make a difference, right.
So it was, especially with everything going on right now
and how horrifying you know, the world is, and what
a shit storm twenty twenty five is, especially if you're
an American, it was really gratifying to feel like we
were making a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I cling to these moments where I get reminded like,
oh yeah, I'm not alone. There's other people that feel
this way, and I think it's so important to express
the way we are feeling and to make our voices
heard because it will in the future affect situations of
(09:51):
homophobia with police or whatever, where people will be like, Okay, well,
we don't want to do that because it's going to
be real bad press for our us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know. It's like, yeah, I mean, I think that
the reality of our world right now is so bizarre
because I don't believe and maybe I'm naive, but as
horrible as things are, and for as many awful people
have voted or support people like you know, our president
or jk Rowling or whoever, you know, I actually believe
(10:22):
there's more normal people in the world that actually just
want to like kind of like be with their friends
and family and make an okay living and actually are
fine with us queers, trans people, you know, racial minorities,
different people of different religion. But it's the powerful people
who you know, want to divide us. The richest people,
(10:43):
you know, they really benefit from us being at each
other's throats. So I'm really trying to remember, like, no,
that's not normal. Most people aren't that. I need to
hang with my like minded people. I don't care if
it means I'm in a bubble. I want to be
around people that are just kind of normal and together
fight this bullshit. But I do think that we're going
(11:05):
to come out the other side better. I think this
is the end for them. I think it's their final gasp.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yes, well this is very exciting. I'm happy. I'm so
happy you're doing this. Didn't you tell me that you
went to a psychic to try to contact her?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I did go to a psychic.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Could you tell us how that went?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Okay? So, like I said, Heckleina was my dear, dear friend,
one of those friends where we met in nineteen ninety six,
you know, and then we were bonded creatively and have
worked together ever since. And one thing about Heckleina, she
definitely was not religious and she wasn't super spiritual. However,
after a dear friend of ours past about ten years
(11:51):
before we lost Hecklena that decade, Heckleina became very interested
in ghosts and seances and holding seances, and I went
to seances at our house. She held them in her bar,
her club oasis, which she opened, and she was like
a full on believer, I mean, and she would actually
(12:13):
blame me. She would say, you ruined it, like Peaches
is here, That's why they're not communicating with us, because
like Peaches is too much of a skeptic, which I
wasn't really, but I was definitely less inclined. I was
kind of like, Okay, I'll show up and do this,
but I guess I was a skeptic. I wanted just
sort of tangible, you know, I wanted the ghosts to
(12:33):
like actually talk to us. Now, Hecklena would come away
from these things and actually really truly one hundred percent
believe that she was communicating with Cookie Dough and other people.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So Cookie Do, the Late Drag Queen, the Late Drag.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Queen who was also really great friends with Hecklena. So
because Heckleina passed and of course I found her and
it's been traumatic. I felt like over time, you know,
Hecklena's probably on the other side, like pissed that I
haven't attempted, you know, to hold a seance or communicated
with her. Now, I don't know if anyone else has
done it. I'm guessing probably they have. But eventually I
(13:08):
was approached by someone and I'm not going to name
any names obviously, but this person knew a psychic and
recommended them. And the psychic was from the East Coast
and happened to be in town, and I was in
LA and I met with the psychic in Los Angeles,
and yeah, I just I guess I'm still a skeptic.
(13:28):
I wanted. I wanted, Yeah, I wanted to so badly
to have an experience where I was like, oh my god,
this is it. Like I'm definitely communicating with Heckleina. But
the problem is I know Hecklina so so well that
there were certain things that the psychic said that just
I knew one hundred percent that it wasn't Heckleina. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you and I have talked for a while about
this whole situation, and you would think of anyone she
would be very excited to be that on that side
of it, to be able to talk and give someone
a good seance or whatever. I still I still want
(14:11):
to make an attempt. I want to do something at Oasis.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I want to do Oasis and make it fun and
funny and like the type of person she was.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And or we could go to our house in Palm Springs.
That's the other place that might be a good place
to do it, you know, because Nancy, who's the executor,
she still has the house, so you know, part of
me kind of feels like maybe we need to get
to that house before they sell it or something, you know,
because we are looking for answers, right absolutely. I mean
(14:45):
that's part of the problem is that with the detectives
in London and everything that's happened, including things like a
whistleblower contacting me who told me that the detectives were
lying to me. I mean, so much drama.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There's the footage right of there's.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The CCTV footage that was released because I went to
the press.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
There's three men leaving Yeah where she was, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Are flat. You know, we were living together in a flat.
I left so that she could trick. I basically left
for two nights. You know, she paid for she paid
for a hotel room which was two blocks away, so
that she could get into drag and entertain gentleman callers now, Roz,
you know, Heckleina. This is so not shocking, and it's
also not something like anyone who thinks that I'm I'm
(15:30):
spilling tea or even airing dirty laundry. It's like, oh no,
this is a person who was unapologetically sexual.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Things that she would literally do on stage exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
She was a rimmer, you know, she she was a
public rimmer. You know, she would rim people on stage.
You know, that was that was her. That's this is
the thing she's best known for, is being a public rimmer.
So you know, this isn't me being scandalous. So it
was very normal. And she would line them up, you know,
it's kind of a marathon slut, you know, she would
(16:02):
cut a slag. She would line them up, you know,
one after the other. And I never knew her to
be into a group situation. That seems odd. And then
to find out that there's these three guys we find
out two years later that were in the flat hours
before I walked in and found her, is very disconcerting
to me because one the fact that there were three
(16:25):
of them, two we now know, you know that one
of them was there longer, and then the other two
showed up and we're only there for a short amount
of time, and then all three of them left together
and three if you watch the CCTV footage, very much
feels like guy number one, who was there the longest,
walks ahead of the other two, and that the other
(16:45):
two are very much more like Instead of looking like
three friends, it looks like a person. And then two
assistants or two handlers or fixers, you know. So it's
like something right out of a movie. I mean, it's
very hard to not spin a yarn of like, well,
maybe there is a cover up, Maybe this person's powerful,
maybe they're being protected. Maybe who knows. I don't know.
(17:07):
I just know that my job as her friend was
to put as much pressure on the situation as possible.
And once I figured out that they will respond to
things like the press, you know, I basically just decided, Okay,
I'm just going to blow this up as much as possible.
And it worked. I mean, they're moving on it, but
of course it's two years later. Who knows what they're
(17:27):
going to be able to find. I don't know, but
the case is, you know, they are working on it,
and the other thing that's kind of exciting about the
whole thing is that all this sort of public drama
has led to potentially, you know, a documentary film that's
in the works.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Amazing. Yeah, And it's an issue that has been around
for who knows how long of just any type of
gender nonconformity or trans people in situations with men that
are actual and the police just ignore it because they're like,
h this whatever. And it's like, this is a real
(18:05):
human being with real friends and jokes on you. This
is actually a famous human being, so now you're not
going to hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And that's something that I didn't realize is I didn't
go out of my way when I was first working
with the detectives to say hey, by the way, like
we're important, you know. That didn't seem like something I
would have to do, right, And sadly, there was a
point where that happened in April of twenty twenty three,
and then I was going back to London in December
(18:34):
of twenty twenty three, and they had ignored me for
months and months and months, and I remember sending email
after email after email, and then finally I sent an
email that was like they responded to it. Right away,
and I thought, why did they respond to this email?
But I went back and I looked and it was
because I said, I'm returning to London. I have a
lot of press lined up because I'm doing my show
(18:54):
at the Royal Albert Hall on whatever date, uh huh,
and the press have started to ask me or the
latest on the case, and I realized, oh, we do
have to use this, because otherwise, if we're just some random,
you know, trans person that they've dismissed, or they see
us as someone who's beneath them, and I think that
(19:16):
in many ways we are seen as trash. I hate
to say it that way, but that's how it feels,
and that's how it felt. And it made me even
angrier that they responded right away, because it was almost
like proof, you know, of course, where I was like, oh, oh,
you mean all along I should have been telling them
how important we are, so they're disgusting. And that's when
(19:36):
I actually decided, you know, I had to use whatever
clout we had. But what makes me upset, and I'm
sure you agree, is that we know there's so many
people out there, so many people that they will never
respect or answer to. That just don't have the you know,
the leverage with the media.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Of course, there's countless unsolved cases like yes, and it's
so sad and maybe one you know, silver lining, I
don't know whatever. It's a horrible is she's gone, but
like maybe that will change, Maybe this is what it
will take.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, here's the thing. I've always wanted to get my
ass on my favorite murder. So maybe you're exactly right.
Partners will do the heck Lina story someday.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh my god, they have to. I'll put it in
a good word for you. I know a few people. Yeah,
well you know, I planned to talk about other things.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But sewer, pickles and heck Lena.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So here's how here's how this went for me. First,
I was thinking about my toaster because I went to
see You and mink Stole, which I loved. If anybody
ever gets the chance to see the show that the
two of you have been doing for years, I got
to see it in LA and it was just so
(21:00):
it was everything I needed. And afterwards I got an
autograph picture of minkstyl legend of John Waters Films, and
my bathroom is all John Waters theme, So now I
have an autograph picture of her in my bathroom. But
I also got a Peaches Christ sticker and I was like,
where should I put this? And I put it on
my toaster next to my Frankenfurter and a virus stickers.
(21:24):
And so then I was thinking about toasters and I'm like,
oh my god, now I'm going to get like the
devil in my toaster. And it made me think about
do you know that famous video of the lady that
had the haunted toasters?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I love that video.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
That video is so good. Well, then I started thinking
about that, and then I started thinking about, like you
always make me think about Catholic stuff, and I wanted
to look into different cases of times people have seen
Jesus or Mary on like toast.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Ah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I found one that I found interest dig. This clip
is from two thousand and nine April third, two thousand
and nine. It was on the news WLS ABC News
in western North Carolina, and that was posted on YouTube
by Associated Press. It's called a woman sees Jesus in
(22:20):
her cheese toast? Could you play that for us, geehaw please?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
The South Carolina woman has a spiritual link to this
piece of toast. Linda Lowe says she's looking at an
image of Jesus in melted cheese.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
It's just the pace that he has on his face.
It's just there's a sweetness on this particular.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Toast owner under her name.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Makes me want to smile when I look at it.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Last fall, Lowe says she and her boyfriend intended to
make a piece of cheese toast for a late night snack.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Now, positive peaches, Do you see Jesus?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Kind of? I will say that, I actually kind of
I see what she's talking about, And I can totally
think if I were like already predisposed to think this
sort of thing could happen, I'd be like, Yep, that's Jesus. Yeah,
I see him. It's sort of a medium shot. Yeah,
you see his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Sounds like his headshot.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It could be it could be listen, it could be
a lot of people, but that's true.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, it could be any hipster gay really. It definitely
got a beard and sort of long hair.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But when it came out of the oven, it was
seen as the image of Christ. Her Son tried to
settle it on eBay, but the picture wouldn't upload so
Low took that as a sign that God wanted her
to keep the edible image of Jesus. Now she keeps
it in a tupperware container in her bedroom, where she
says it serves as a reminder that Jesus is always
(23:50):
with her. John Belmont the Associated Press.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So they tried to sell it on eBay, but they
couldn't upload photos. So now she keeps it. She keeps
this old piece of grilled cheese thanks to her bed
And you know what, whatever brings you cover absolutely that,
why not? That's Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, And so I guess, but either Jesus can appear,
you know, via the toaster or like you you mentioned
famously there was the woman who had the devil appear,
you know. So I guess you never know what you're
gonna get. I wonder if Mary's appeared on toast probably.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh yeah, that lady has appeared all over the place
all the time. I was actually another thing that I
was looking up that is Catholic that I feel like
I've never dedicated an episode to it. But I'm just
like so.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Opting to know that the JD Vance killed the Pope.
Had you heard that's the latest to Catholic News. Can
you believe that that that Pope didn't even want to
meet that douchebag and then he insists, you know, and
apparently the Pope just sat there scowling at him, right,
you know, because the Pope doesn't suffer fools. And you
(25:06):
know jd Vance is then the last meeting that this
person ever has their final days, you know, their last
meeting is with that piece of trash.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, that's not something you want to see.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And now the Conclave will happen, which you know I
watched the movie recently, so.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Oh, I'm excited for a new pope.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like, have you seen Conclave?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I never have, but I've heard that it's juicy.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, I don't want to say anything because I didn't
know anything going into it, but I think that's the
best way to see it. And just know this, raz
I think you should see it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, I'm just I'm so obsessed with the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm so obsessed with Then you've got to watch this, Yes,
you gotta watch. I mean, it's John Lithgow, it's Isabella
Rossolini finds, it's you know, Stanley Tucci. Like then they're
all in the Catholic drag. But it's also I don't
want to say too much anyway, just why you just
watch it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, the thing I wanted to bring up with you
is stigmata.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh good, you're good, because I do have something to
bring up to you. But let's we'll see through the
Catholic stuff, because I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Of course, I used.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
To want to have stigmata, you know, as a kid. Really,
Oh my god, of course. I mean you were you
were raised Catholic. Didn't you want that weird shit to
happen to you as a kid when you'd hear about it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
No, I'd never wanted pain.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh but that meant you were like the chosen one,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I guess so. But so if anyone doesn't know stigmata,
it's like this idea that you start developing symptoms of Jesus' crucifixion,
Like you start getting bloody hands and like it's so morbid.
It is like so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You get holes in your hands and holes in your
your feet where they put the steaks.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You get holes where you don't want holes. Yeah, there's
this one story that's like kind of famous that when
I've looked into stigmata, before. You always see it, and
I would not google it if you're a squeamish person
listening to this. This woman named Teres Newman. I guess
this started in the twenties. Jesus, the pictures of her
(27:22):
are no offense to the lady straight out of Boulet
Brothers Dragula.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So she's serving fears.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
She literally would have blood dripping out of her eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Ooh that, I mean, I love that. That's just that
kind of stuff. When you're raised Katholic, how is it
we're not all obsessed with horror. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh my god, it's all so scary.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You literally sit in a room where you know, you're
just staring at this man who's been nailed to a
cross and he's hanging there dead. He does look kind
of often sexy, but like, yes, he's got blood coming
out of his hands and his feet, but he's also
got blood running down his face because you know, they
put a crown of thorns on his head. It's so gory.
(28:08):
The whole thing is Annie's been whipped. Annie, He's been
stabbed in the stomach. You know, he's been flogged. I mean,
it's just so violent.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's like I see that imagery, I'm like, I can't
believe I was a child and I was just like, yep,
that's how like, yeah, what I remember watching Carrie as
a kid and like she one of them has like
arrows in it, and I just ra think, like, oh
my god, that's the scariest thing I've ever seen at
(28:36):
a young age.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Carrie's so good at like doing the religious you know,
showing you like how crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yes, So there is a website list versus dot com
that has a list of stigmata situations reported real, ten
infamous cases of stigmata. I might spread this over a
couple of episodes because I just think that these are
(29:04):
so fascinating. Let me read you what it says about that.
Lady Teres Newman is. She was born in eighteen ninety
eight in Connorsruth, Bavaria. She was the oldest of ten children.
Being the eldest, she was often put in charge of
taking care of her siblings, especially after her father served
in World War One. But taking care of children wasn't
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her calling. Teresa's true ambition was to become a missionary
sister in Africa. Sadly, in nineteen eighteen, she was injured
during a fire, causing her to suffer partial paralysis of
the spine and later blindness. Formerly a hearty girl, she
was left bedridden and unable to work. Okay, hang on,
(29:49):
we're going to get to the part where she starts
bleeding all over the place. Since she couldn't work, she
took up the next best thing, which was intense religious devotion.
She was especially enamored by Saint Teres of Le Sue.
While lying on her bed in nineteen twenty five, she
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heard the voice of the newly canonized Saint Teres of
Lis Sue. She asked her if she wanted to be better,
because you know, she was bedridden, and Teresa, of course
answered yeah, ah, what do you think. The saint told
her that she could now stand and see, but she'd
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still suffer. And suffer she did because Teresa was about
to get the shock of her life, and she received
the stigmata. On the first day of Lent in nineteen
twenty six, while ill with the flu, she was alone
in her room when she experienced a divine ecstasy. As
the day went on, she discovered bloody marks on her nightgown,
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on her side and above her heart. The stigmata had
chosen her. The side wound continually wept blood, and on
the third day of Lent, the hand wounds appeared, followed
by tears of blood. The next day. You got to
go to a doctor. I'm sorry. Saint Teres of Lessu
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said that she'd suffer, and it did NonStop. Later in
the year, Newman finally received her bloody crown of thorns. Wow,
the wounds never healed and they stayed on her body
until her death.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I mean, that's a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
She only survived on Eucharist.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, you're making that up.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It says Saint Teries came to her during her suffering
and told her, quote, no more earthly food. You'll survive
on Eucharist.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Which is essentially cannibalism. Non Catholics don't realize that in
order to be Catholic and to receive the Eucharist, Yeah,
you have to commit to this belief system that says
one that when the priest you know, performs transubstantiation, that
that wafer actually becomes the body of Christ and that's
(32:09):
the wine you're drinking is his blood. I'm not saying metaphorically.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
But you don't believe in trans people.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So you know, well, and as I always say, you
never told me what part of the body it was.
You just told me to eat it. I don't know
what that is. That's nasty. So yeah, she didn't eat
anything other than you Christ every day. And she drank
no water starting in nineteen twenty six, and she lived
until nineteen sixty two. And she claims blood was dripping
(32:41):
out of her eyes and her hands and all of
that all the time, never ending supply of blood.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I do find that to be fabulous. And I actually
actually think if I were her, I would have gone
on the road. You know, I would have been like,
I would have been doing shows, you know, absolutely, I
would have milked it for all it's worth, you know.
But she but to take that gift and just to
sort of like, I don't know, wither away, it's just,
(33:09):
you know, it seems like kind of a waste.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But she had. Just for reference, can you pull up
a photo of Terese Newman and EU M A N
N Just so that Peaches can see what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Oh yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yes, there's one picture in particular, the one that has
like a lime green painted wall and she's sitting in bed.
It's a color photo, and there is blood all over
her veil and her her whole outfit.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It's almost like she took the she took the blood.
And this is why it looks so ridiculous because it
makes no sense. She like dabbed her hands and then
went like tap tap tap tap tap tap tap all
around her. It doesn't really Yeah, I don't know ra's that.
I mean, I guess she was taking the holes in
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her hands, like hitting her head. I don't know anyway. Yes,
now I just.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Started coming out of her. In all those spots it
was blood.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That's not stigmata.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Then, well, Jesus had a lot of bloody spots. But
you can see in the picture that she's got hand
holes and her eyes are bleeding.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Now why are her eyes bleeding there? What does that
have to do with Jesus?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know. That's a thing, bloody eyes. But I
have to say, do you know that they actually didn't?
This is like a kind of a stigmata debunk that
historically speaking, when people were crucified, they did not stake
them through their hands because your hands, the bones in
your hands are so small and slight that the weight
(34:47):
of your body would rip through even your arms, it
wouldn't last. So they were actually staked through the wrist
because the bones there were much stronger.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Wouldn't that just kill you instant too?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Like? Probably?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, I'm sure, probably way quicker than the hand anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, so I don't even think this is historically accurate.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Wow, here's skeptical, peaches.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Do you know the best Stigmata drag number? I ever saw?
What your best friend of all time, Jackie beat I
got to see her perform Stigmata the Ministry song live
with a rock band at a club was probably the
late nineties early two thousands, at a club in La
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called Club Makeup, where they would bring in a rock
band and have different people, a lot of drag performers.
I saw her. I saw Eva Destruction, who was Alexis Arquette.
I saw Jane Weedland did a Susie and the Banshee's number,
but they were doing a whole goth thing, and Jackie
fucking did Stigmata by Ministry and she nailed it. It
(35:58):
was amazing. I still think of it. I saw that
twenty five years ago and I still think about it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Ah. I love it. What was the thing that you
were gonna say before I got into the.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh, I was gonna say. Another thing that we have
to do as part of the Ghosted podcast is the
next time you're in San Francisco, I am going to
take you to the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church, which is
just up the street from where I live. And this
church has been around forever. I'm going to send you
information on it. They have churches all over the country.
(36:29):
They've been around since the eighteen hundreds. But what they
do it seems like a regular church. I went with
a friend. I've gone a couple times. The first part,
you go into this room and they have a woman
that plays an organ and it's quite creepy in filmmaking.
They have like relics around and you say a prayer.
Then you go into this other room and it looks
like a regular church with pews and an altar, and
(36:49):
then they start the map or what I don't know
what they call it, if they call it mass, but
they start the service a service. Yeah, and at some
point during the service, the person leading the service, which
could be a man or a woman. I've seen I've seen.
It's not like Catholics where you know, only men can
lead the mass. Uh. They do this section. The big
(37:12):
meat of it is they invite maybe two or three
other people who come up on the stage and they
start sort of going into a trance. And then they
look at people in the congregation and they'll point at
you and say, there's a man here who wants to
talk to you. There's psychics and yes, they start channeling
(37:33):
all these spirits and they have this whole thing where
they talk to you about who has come to visit
you and what ghosts there are. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Have you gone since the Heckleina thing?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
No? I haven't. I should huh. And they have service
every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it's called the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Cool. Can I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, it's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So
I go to eBay, I type a haunted doll, and
you know, I get all kinds and they always come
with these stories and a lot of times it's your
typical Oh this doll doll comes alive when I'm sleeping
(38:21):
or whatever. I was thinking, since it's you, maybe we
could get a little nasty with it. This is kind
of a nasty doll. Okay, Peaches, I hope you can
handle it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Physically cute Okay. Her name is Kitty K and she's
going for twenty five ninety nine. Do you how? I
just show us Kitty K. You got it?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Ros Oh, it's a little cat. She's very cute.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's just a little cat. But here's what it says.
Kitty K. She is beyond unique, shy at first, yet
really wild, like a big lie. She may not be
for everyone. Do not judge her taste. An adorable vessel
with a rough soul, unknown origin. She is using supernatural
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abilities to appear harmless and neutral. She is white in
the front, dirty in the back. She loves it from behind. No,
this is what it says, I swear to God, Peches,
this is what it says. She is really special and
will change her form in shape to reflect what she
feels you are lusting for, to gain sexual activity from
(39:36):
you and other worldly spirits. Be careful and do not
let her consume you, for you are her master and
she needs to be shown some sort of control. In
all caps, she wants your sperm, and she wants to
drink all of your fluids. What she loves the smell
(39:56):
of shit. This is what I'm telling you. This, This
is what's wrote. I can't even read those peeges.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's so disturbing because to describe it to the listener,
it is the cutest little it looks like it's probably
really small, like this little teeny I don't know, like
very cute white cat who just looks so innocent and sweet.
I can't believe someone would degrade her like what.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And that's how I feel about myself, which is why
I cannot. I'm not going to read some of this,
but let me just say she's a fan of sewer pickles,
and they go into detail, Oh no, of what she
wants you to do with sewer pickles.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It also says she loves playing with ribbons, yarn, and
long objects that resemble snakes. She is for you, so
pet her if you want her to give it back
to you, you will have visions of her face drooling
after biting off the face of her prey. She always
wants affection and always wants you. Just make sure you
(40:58):
know how to handle an animal femail in bed, because
she will make you think you're in a whole other realm.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I don't even understand what what's happening.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, just to keep explaining, Just to keep in mind,
there was a sentence in here about whatever you're lusting after,
she will appear as Okay, so it's the sex spirit
that is attached to this. Once you buy this doll
for twenty five ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Then all your fantasies come true.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yes, there will be a scat queen manifesting however you
are lusting.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Wow, she's very cute. She has little pink ears.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Wow, I'll bite my tongue. All right, that was that.
Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, it's time for EVP.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Or ev pse. Okay, Peaches christ if that is your
real name. I go to YouTube and I find ghost
voices and these are both from the same person. Their
name on YouTube is Jason seventy two uk uk.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
They were just walking on the street filming and they
caught a ghost saying a couple of things. What is
this ghost saying? Peaches? Okay, there's some street noise, but
you can kind of hear like a like do you
(42:41):
hear it?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No? Okay, wait, like a squeak no, it just sounds
like street noise. I don't hear the ghost.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Oh really, it's so clear, don't what.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Are you hearing?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, it's like a wait, it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
A car driving by and then like someone.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Going yeah, like far away, you can hear a voice
be like okay, So did they think it was a
eh penis b lesbians? Mm hmmm, see that's ps or
d bless us everyone, all right, it's one of these.
(43:38):
See they believe it's lesbians. Now that we know that,
I can hear it. Okay you can't, yes, because it's
like lesbians, like you can hear it in the day
with the track, okay lesbians. Everyone at home is.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Like they're like Peaches is dumb. It's clear as day.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
It's really okay. Same person posted this another one on
the street. What's this one saying? Okay, so obviously horrible
ambient noise, but there's like a I hear like a
definitely like a British I'm gonna guess man being like, no, no, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I hear that one better?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, that one's definitely closer to the recording device an
he guesses, take you to the beach, Yeah, not a
bad guess something like that. Do they think it was
a you say you got cream cheese? B you silly
(44:54):
old beast? You see? Are you saving your peach is?
Or d are you shaving your butt cheeks? Okay it's
one of those.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Oh I think maybe the peaches one.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes it's you, it is me. Yes, are you saving
your peaches?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I can hear that one.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, okay, now let me know that. Let me play it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
All you saving your peaches?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Do you know what she did your counting tata? Well,
I would say that's about it.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Well, here's the deal. We have homework. We're gonna go
to the UK together. That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Well, you sound like a real fun person a ghost
hunt with based on what heck Lena said that you
were oh so skeptical. You don't even believe in stigmata.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'll get with the program, and then we're gonna do
a stay on some pumps.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Brings that that we could easily make happen.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
And then you're gonna come to San Francisco and we're
going to go to the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church together.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's so I don't know
why I never thought to tell you about it before,
but it is right up your alley.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Well, I always like hanging out with you. Tell people
where you want them to find you. What about?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
What about? What about the podcasts I've never been on?
What about that? Maybe tell people to listen to that
one of my favorite podcasts. I listened, I've never missed
an episode.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Well, I can't believe you've never been on that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
H Yeah, I can either. And welcome back to your
third time on this one.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean that is crazy. I've tried to tell Michael
how great you are.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Just do an idle worship episode of me and we'll
make it good.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
I think you deserve one, but yes, you can. You
know I have gone back to after years of depending
on social media, I have invested in really maintaining and
updating Peacheschrist dot com because I absolutely just hate everything
and I hate relying on fucking Zuckerberg or whatever, Twitter whatever,
(47:14):
I mean, I still use it. I'm still on a
lot of that shit. Although I'm not on Twitter anymore.
That was a step too far. I'm on Blue Sky,
which I quite like. But anyway, really Peaches Christ dot com,
everything about the podcast and upcoming shows. I'm I think
we need to return to running our own stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yes, absolutely, Yeah. It's funny that you say this about
your website because you've always had a good website. And
I remember ten years before I met you, maybe I
found your website and I was like, what is all this?
That's like how I knew who you were. Oh, it's
your website.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
But then I kind of got lazy with it when
social media became such a big thing because people were
engaging there. But now like I have a newsletter and
I'm I'm you know, I kind of like more into
cultivating a direct connection with people rather than relying on
the because we're being censored, you know, drag is being censored,
trans people are being censored. Like these corporate oligarchs are,
(48:12):
you know, controlling what we It's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Sounds like I'm being a conspiracy theorist. But now, no, no,
it's here. It's here. It's a fascist America and we're
living in it.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
So I don't know if you know about this, but
I'm traveling America and I'm just doing I'm doing close
to fifty gay bars. I saw that because I'm like
I can't put out a special right now or whatever,
like yeah, so I'm just gonna go out and see
people face to face, old fashioned.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Good for you, good for you, and you know everyone,
I'm sure all your listeners already know this, but like,
you are so good, You're so funny, You're so likable
while also being kind of a bitch, and I you
know what I mean. I just think you're so great
and I think people like everyone I know that came
to see you when you came to San Francisco, everyone
(49:04):
just loved it. So folks, should you know, get their tickets.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Thank you? Okay, well thank you girl. Oh you saving
your peaches.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Of course, well no, I give them away.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Thank you so much to Peaches. Christ Wow, that episode
had everything. Thank you for listening. And uh I love
you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
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This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out
loud and sometimes I'll even call you, So email me
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producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
(50:33):
petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by the spine
chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
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What's that at the bed.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's spooky, jooky.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait
a minute, I'm ghosted. I gos nandas.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Pllease hey boo, it's me Ro's and welcome to Ghosted
by Ros Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
that I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Peaches Christ is back for her I think third visit,
I lose track truly. One of my favorite people in
the whole wide world, Peaches Christ. She has a wonderful
cult movie podcast with Michael Varati. It's called Midnight Mass.
She's just she's non stop busy, just creating the coolest
(01:05):
cult cinema experiences. And she's just my kind of queer.
I just love her so much and I'm so grateful
for my friendship with her. And we talk a little
bit today about the ongoing investigation of her dear friend, Hecklina,
(01:28):
who's a drag queen who was mysteriously found dead by Peaches.
And so it's a little bit more of the true
crime element today. There's a little bit of ghostiness in
there as well. Let me, just for good measure, give
you a ghost story here. This one's from Sarah, who
says when I was fifteen or so, I went to
(01:50):
stay with my best friend at her aunt's house in
rural New Hampshire. It was an old house and had
a secret room off the main staircase that was used
as part of the underground railroad. It had been a
safe house. One night, my friend and I went to bed.
(02:10):
My friend wanted to read, and at that time I
could not sleep with even an ounce of light in
the room, so I went to another bedroom across the
hall by the staircase. I went to sleep quickly and
woke up in the middle of the night to the
noise of someone coming up the stairs. I thought it
was strange that my friend had gone downstairs, but didn't
(02:31):
think much of it. But instead of turning towards her room,
the footsteps started coming towards my room. It was a
house built in the seventeen hundreds, and every floorboard seemed
to creak. The footsteps came into my room and went
around to the side of my bed, and then just
(02:51):
seemed to stop next to me. I asked my friend
what she wanted and why she was up, and she
did not answer. I could feel something lean on the
bed I opened my eyes and lowered the blankets from
my face, and I saw a figure standing by my bed.
(03:14):
It had no distinct characteristics such as male or female,
but it was a tall, human like form. I was terrified,
and after some minutes of panic and getting up the nerve,
I reached to turn the light on and there was
nothing there. Terrified, I ran back to the room where
my friend was sleeping soundly. Needless to say, the next night,
(03:36):
I just put up with the light while my friend
read before going to sleep. Wow. God, sleeping at people's houses.
I can't do it. I need my like just the
way you are with your sleep. You gotta have I see,
I have to have a light on. That's become my
problem because of this podcast and these terrifying stories you
(03:57):
tell me when you're in the dark. Thanks for sending
me that. Okay, you know I'm on tour roz Hernandez
tour dot com traveling all over the place. Oh my god,
so many fun shows, meeting so many great people. Most
of the shows I'm doing free meet and greets after
they are all twenty one and up, and I've got
(04:21):
exclusive roz Hernandez merch and I'd love to see you there. Okay,
here we go, me and my dear friend Peaches christ
On with the show. Wow Wow, Well I don't believe it.
(04:46):
We are once again joined by the IC. Peach Is
christ Hi, dear.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, that's not fair, because we should let the list
know that your actual greeting to me was hello, sewer pickle. Okay,
sewer pickle, that's what you called me just moments ago.
We need to pull back the curtain here and you
should all know the real raws.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Let's pull back the pickle. One thing that I remember
about Peaches is that this one time when we were together,
you were telling me a story that you heard in
England people calling a wasn't as a poop, right, they
(05:36):
call it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
No, you're getting the stories mixed up.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, then you tell it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So Hecklena, the late Great Hecklena, she used to call
her turds sewer pickles, and she would say, I had
to make a sewer pickle. So of course I loved
that because it's so you know, it's very descriptive. But
what I was telling you about England is they have
really kind of fabulous slang pejoratives insults for gay people, okay,
(06:07):
which of course I love. I mean, you've probably heard
of poof or poofter like that to me sounds so
like that doesn't I'm not offended by that. That sounds
kind of I don't know, funny to me. But they
also call them, you know how, we call or at
least we did when I was growing up, gay people
turd burglars. Ah, Yes, okay, they say shit stabbers, which
(06:31):
actually makes more sense because it's more of a stabbing
than a reaching in and pulling out. No one's trying
to steal a.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Turd, That's the thing. I I have never liked that one.
I like the name of it, but burglars has a
nice sound. Yeah it feels good on the tongue. But
does I've just not known a lot of turd burglars existing.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But they do exist. We should, we should acknowledge of.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Course there we want to honor.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The scot Queens.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm sure you know many personally, Yeah, I do. It's
the type of people you associate with.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, anyway, I digress. Aren't we supposed to be talking
about ghosts?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well? I believe that one day I will go to
England and ghost hunt and I'll be called all of
these nests.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Ghosts are always insulting you.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, they love coming from me and I just eat
it up. The best thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh my god, let's please. I want to go because
you know I love England.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I want to go with you while you were just there.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah I was, and I'm going back.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Good.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh my god, when you go for your ghost hunting
tour in England, please let me know. I would love
to hear what they call you.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Do you want to talk about going to England and
all of that. Heckleina Sure.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For listeners who don't know, Hecklina was a great friend
of mine, a fabulous trailblazing drag queen who passed away
while we were in England to go. They're performing our
show Mommy Querist back in twenty twenty three, and I
found her dead. It was horrifying. It's definitely the most
traumatic thing that's ever happened to me. But it was
(08:10):
only kind of made worse by the fact that the
British police basically just kind of ignored the whole thing.
And you know, we still to this day don't have
a death certificate. You know, over two years later, we
don't have a death certificate. We've had very very little movement,
and there's a lot more to it. I mean, we'd
take up the whole show if I actually went into
all the detail. Point is the met Police have a
(08:31):
long history of ineptitude when it comes to dealing with
queer people, or worse than ineptitude, like actual negative bias.
And so I went over there and held a protest.
We held it right in front of Scotland Yard and
it was very powerful and it achieved our goals, which
was to get them to take more action, which they have.
(08:52):
I actually had a a phone call this morning with
the detectives and it's sad to me that that's what
it took, you know, that it took me going to
the press after begging them, you know, for action. But
protests we have to remember, especially in this era, you know,
protests and getting people of like mind to join together
(09:13):
makes a difference, or it can make a difference, right.
So it was, especially with everything going on right now
and how horrifying you know, the world is, and what
a shit storm twenty twenty five is, especially if you're
an American, it was really gratifying to feel like we
were making a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I cling to these moments where I get reminded like,
oh yeah, I'm not alone. There's other people that feel
this way, and I think it's so important to express
the way we are feeling and to make our voices
heard because it will in the future affect situations of
(09:51):
homophobia with police or whatever, where people will be like, Okay, well,
we don't want to do that because it's going to
be real bad press for our us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know. It's like, yeah, I mean, I think that
the reality of our world right now is so bizarre
because I don't believe and maybe I'm naive, but as
horrible as things are, and for as many awful people
have voted or support people like you know, our president
or jk Rowling or whoever, you know, I actually believe
(10:22):
there's more normal people in the world that actually just
want to like kind of like be with their friends
and family and make an okay living and actually are
fine with us queers, trans people, you know, racial minorities,
different people of different religion. But it's the powerful people
who you know, want to divide us. The richest people,
(10:43):
you know, they really benefit from us being at each
other's throats. So I'm really trying to remember, like, no,
that's not normal. Most people aren't that. I need to
hang with my like minded people. I don't care if
it means I'm in a bubble. I want to be
around people that are just kind of normal and together
fight this bullshit. But I do think that we're going
(11:05):
to come out the other side better. I think this
is the end for them. I think it's their final gasp.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yes, well this is very exciting. I'm happy. I'm so
happy you're doing this. Didn't you tell me that you
went to a psychic to try to contact her?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I did go to a psychic.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Could you tell us how that went?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Okay? So, like I said, Heckleina was my dear, dear friend,
one of those friends where we met in nineteen ninety six,
you know, and then we were bonded creatively and have
worked together ever since. And one thing about Heckleina, she
definitely was not religious and she wasn't super spiritual. However,
after a dear friend of ours past about ten years
(11:51):
before we lost Hecklena that decade, Heckleina became very interested
in ghosts and seances and holding seances, and I went
to seances at our house. She held them in her bar,
her club oasis, which she opened, and she was like
a full on believer, I mean, and she would actually
(12:13):
blame me. She would say, you ruined it, like Peaches
is here, That's why they're not communicating with us, because
like Peaches is too much of a skeptic, which I
wasn't really, but I was definitely less inclined. I was
kind of like, Okay, I'll show up and do this,
but I guess I was a skeptic. I wanted just
sort of tangible, you know, I wanted the ghosts to
(12:33):
like actually talk to us. Now, Hecklena would come away
from these things and actually really truly one hundred percent
believe that she was communicating with Cookie Dough and other people.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So Cookie Do, the Late Drag Queen, the Late Drag.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Queen who was also really great friends with Hecklena. So
because Heckleina passed and of course I found her and
it's been traumatic. I felt like over time, you know,
Hecklena's probably on the other side, like pissed that I
haven't attempted, you know, to hold a seance or communicated
with her. Now, I don't know if anyone else has
done it. I'm guessing probably they have. But eventually I
(13:08):
was approached by someone and I'm not going to name
any names obviously, but this person knew a psychic and
recommended them. And the psychic was from the East Coast
and happened to be in town, and I was in
LA and I met with the psychic in Los Angeles,
and yeah, I just I guess I'm still a skeptic.
(13:28):
I wanted. I wanted, Yeah, I wanted to so badly
to have an experience where I was like, oh my god,
this is it. Like I'm definitely communicating with Heckleina. But
the problem is I know Hecklina so so well that
there were certain things that the psychic said that just
I knew one hundred percent that it wasn't Heckleina. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you and I have talked for a while about
this whole situation, and you would think of anyone she
would be very excited to be that on that side
of it, to be able to talk and give someone
a good seance or whatever. I still I still want
(14:11):
to make an attempt. I want to do something at Oasis.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I want to do Oasis and make it fun and
funny and like the type of person she was.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And or we could go to our house in Palm Springs.
That's the other place that might be a good place
to do it, you know, because Nancy, who's the executor,
she still has the house, so you know, part of
me kind of feels like maybe we need to get
to that house before they sell it or something, you know,
because we are looking for answers, right absolutely. I mean
(14:45):
that's part of the problem is that with the detectives
in London and everything that's happened, including things like a
whistleblower contacting me who told me that the detectives were
lying to me. I mean, so much drama.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There's the footage right of there's.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The CCTV footage that was released because I went to
the press.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
There's three men leaving Yeah where she was, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Are flat. You know, we were living together in a flat.
I left so that she could trick. I basically left
for two nights. You know, she paid for she paid
for a hotel room which was two blocks away, so
that she could get into drag and entertain gentleman callers now, Roz,
you know, Heckleina. This is so not shocking, and it's
also not something like anyone who thinks that I'm I'm
(15:30):
spilling tea or even airing dirty laundry. It's like, oh no,
this is a person who was unapologetically sexual.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Things that she would literally do on stage exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
She was a rimmer, you know, she she was a
public rimmer. You know, she would rim people on stage.
You know, that was that was her. That's this is
the thing she's best known for, is being a public rimmer.
So you know, this isn't me being scandalous. So it
was very normal. And she would line them up, you know,
it's kind of a marathon slut, you know, she would
(16:02):
cut a slag. She would line them up, you know,
one after the other. And I never knew her to
be into a group situation. That seems odd. And then
to find out that there's these three guys we find
out two years later that were in the flat hours
before I walked in and found her, is very disconcerting
to me because one the fact that there were three
(16:25):
of them, two we now know, you know that one
of them was there longer, and then the other two
showed up and we're only there for a short amount
of time, and then all three of them left together
and three if you watch the CCTV footage, very much
feels like guy number one, who was there the longest,
walks ahead of the other two, and that the other
(16:45):
two are very much more like Instead of looking like
three friends, it looks like a person. And then two
assistants or two handlers or fixers, you know. So it's
like something right out of a movie. I mean, it's
very hard to not spin a yarn of like, well,
maybe there is a cover up, Maybe this person's powerful,
maybe they're being protected. Maybe who knows. I don't know.
(17:07):
I just know that my job as her friend was
to put as much pressure on the situation as possible.
And once I figured out that they will respond to
things like the press, you know, I basically just decided, Okay,
I'm just going to blow this up as much as possible.
And it worked. I mean, they're moving on it, but
of course it's two years later. Who knows what they're
(17:27):
going to be able to find. I don't know, but
the case is, you know, they are working on it,
and the other thing that's kind of exciting about the
whole thing is that all this sort of public drama
has led to potentially, you know, a documentary film that's
in the works.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Amazing. Yeah, And it's an issue that has been around
for who knows how long of just any type of
gender nonconformity or trans people in situations with men that
are actual and the police just ignore it because they're like,
h this whatever. And it's like, this is a real
(18:05):
human being with real friends and jokes on you. This
is actually a famous human being, so now you're not
going to hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And that's something that I didn't realize is I didn't
go out of my way when I was first working
with the detectives to say hey, by the way, like
we're important, you know. That didn't seem like something I
would have to do, right, And sadly, there was a
point where that happened in April of twenty twenty three,
and then I was going back to London in December
(18:34):
of twenty twenty three, and they had ignored me for
months and months and months, and I remember sending email
after email after email, and then finally I sent an
email that was like they responded to it. Right away,
and I thought, why did they respond to this email?
But I went back and I looked and it was
because I said, I'm returning to London. I have a
lot of press lined up because I'm doing my show
(18:54):
at the Royal Albert Hall on whatever date, uh huh,
and the press have started to ask me or the
latest on the case, and I realized, oh, we do
have to use this, because otherwise, if we're just some random,
you know, trans person that they've dismissed, or they see
us as someone who's beneath them, and I think that
(19:16):
in many ways we are seen as trash. I hate
to say it that way, but that's how it feels,
and that's how it felt. And it made me even
angrier that they responded right away, because it was almost
like proof, you know, of course, where I was like, oh, oh,
you mean all along I should have been telling them
how important we are, so they're disgusting. And that's when
(19:36):
I actually decided, you know, I had to use whatever
clout we had. But what makes me upset, and I'm
sure you agree, is that we know there's so many
people out there, so many people that they will never
respect or answer to. That just don't have the you know,
the leverage with the media.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Of course, there's countless unsolved cases like yes, and it's
so sad and maybe one you know, silver lining, I
don't know whatever. It's a horrible is she's gone, but
like maybe that will change, Maybe this is what it
will take.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, here's the thing. I've always wanted to get my
ass on my favorite murder. So maybe you're exactly right.
Partners will do the heck Lina story someday.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh my god, they have to. I'll put it in
a good word for you. I know a few people. Yeah,
well you know, I planned to talk about other things.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But sewer, pickles and heck Lena.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So here's how here's how this went for me. First,
I was thinking about my toaster because I went to
see You and mink Stole, which I loved. If anybody
ever gets the chance to see the show that the
two of you have been doing for years, I got
to see it in LA and it was just so
(21:00):
it was everything I needed. And afterwards I got an
autograph picture of minkstyl legend of John Waters Films, and
my bathroom is all John Waters theme, So now I
have an autograph picture of her in my bathroom. But
I also got a Peaches Christ sticker and I was like,
where should I put this? And I put it on
my toaster next to my Frankenfurter and a virus stickers.
(21:24):
And so then I was thinking about toasters and I'm like,
oh my god, now I'm going to get like the
devil in my toaster. And it made me think about
do you know that famous video of the lady that
had the haunted toasters?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I love that video.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
That video is so good. Well, then I started thinking
about that, and then I started thinking about, like you
always make me think about Catholic stuff, and I wanted
to look into different cases of times people have seen
Jesus or Mary on like toast.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Ah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I found one that I found interest dig. This clip
is from two thousand and nine April third, two thousand
and nine. It was on the news WLS ABC News
in western North Carolina, and that was posted on YouTube
by Associated Press. It's called a woman sees Jesus in
(22:20):
her cheese toast? Could you play that for us, geehaw please?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
The South Carolina woman has a spiritual link to this
piece of toast. Linda Lowe says she's looking at an
image of Jesus in melted cheese.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
It's just the pace that he has on his face.
It's just there's a sweetness on this particular.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Toast owner under her name.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Makes me want to smile when I look at it.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Last fall, Lowe says she and her boyfriend intended to
make a piece of cheese toast for a late night snack.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Now, positive peaches, Do you see Jesus?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Kind of? I will say that, I actually kind of
I see what she's talking about, And I can totally
think if I were like already predisposed to think this
sort of thing could happen, I'd be like, Yep, that's Jesus. Yeah,
I see him. It's sort of a medium shot. Yeah,
you see his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Sounds like his headshot.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It could be it could be listen, it could be
a lot of people, but that's true.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, it could be any hipster gay really. It definitely
got a beard and sort of long hair.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But when it came out of the oven, it was
seen as the image of Christ. Her Son tried to
settle it on eBay, but the picture wouldn't upload so
Low took that as a sign that God wanted her
to keep the edible image of Jesus. Now she keeps
it in a tupperware container in her bedroom, where she
says it serves as a reminder that Jesus is always
(23:50):
with her. John Belmont the Associated Press.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So they tried to sell it on eBay, but they
couldn't upload photos. So now she keeps it. She keeps
this old piece of grilled cheese thanks to her bed
And you know what, whatever brings you cover absolutely that,
why not? That's Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, And so I guess, but either Jesus can appear,
you know, via the toaster or like you you mentioned
famously there was the woman who had the devil appear,
you know. So I guess you never know what you're
gonna get. I wonder if Mary's appeared on toast probably.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh yeah, that lady has appeared all over the place
all the time. I was actually another thing that I
was looking up that is Catholic that I feel like
I've never dedicated an episode to it. But I'm just
like so.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Opting to know that the JD Vance killed the Pope.
Had you heard that's the latest to Catholic News. Can
you believe that that that Pope didn't even want to
meet that douchebag and then he insists, you know, and
apparently the Pope just sat there scowling at him, right,
you know, because the Pope doesn't suffer fools. And you
(25:06):
know jd Vance is then the last meeting that this
person ever has their final days, you know, their last
meeting is with that piece of trash.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, that's not something you want to see.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And now the Conclave will happen, which you know I
watched the movie recently, so.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Oh, I'm excited for a new pope.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like, have you seen Conclave?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I never have, but I've heard that it's juicy.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, I don't want to say anything because I didn't
know anything going into it, but I think that's the
best way to see it. And just know this, raz
I think you should see it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, I'm just I'm so obsessed with the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm so obsessed with Then you've got to watch this, Yes,
you gotta watch. I mean, it's John Lithgow, it's Isabella
Rossolini finds, it's you know, Stanley Tucci. Like then they're
all in the Catholic drag. But it's also I don't
want to say too much anyway, just why you just
watch it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, the thing I wanted to bring up with you
is stigmata.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh good, you're good, because I do have something to
bring up to you. But let's we'll see through the
Catholic stuff, because I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Of course, I used.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
To want to have stigmata, you know, as a kid. Really,
Oh my god, of course. I mean you were you
were raised Catholic. Didn't you want that weird shit to
happen to you as a kid when you'd hear about it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
No, I'd never wanted pain.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh but that meant you were like the chosen one,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I guess so. But so if anyone doesn't know stigmata,
it's like this idea that you start developing symptoms of Jesus' crucifixion,
Like you start getting bloody hands and like it's so morbid.
It is like so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You get holes in your hands and holes in your
your feet where they put the steaks.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You get holes where you don't want holes. Yeah, there's
this one story that's like kind of famous that when
I've looked into stigmata, before. You always see it, and
I would not google it if you're a squeamish person
listening to this. This woman named Teres Newman. I guess
this started in the twenties. Jesus, the pictures of her
(27:22):
are no offense to the lady straight out of Boulet
Brothers Dragula.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So she's serving fears.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
She literally would have blood dripping out of her eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Ooh that, I mean, I love that. That's just that
kind of stuff. When you're raised Katholic, how is it
we're not all obsessed with horror. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh my god, it's all so scary.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You literally sit in a room where you know, you're
just staring at this man who's been nailed to a
cross and he's hanging there dead. He does look kind
of often sexy, but like, yes, he's got blood coming
out of his hands and his feet, but he's also
got blood running down his face because you know, they
put a crown of thorns on his head. It's so gory.
(28:08):
The whole thing is Annie's been whipped. Annie, He's been
stabbed in the stomach. You know, he's been flogged. I mean,
it's just so violent.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's like I see that imagery, I'm like, I can't
believe I was a child and I was just like, yep,
that's how like, yeah, what I remember watching Carrie as
a kid and like she one of them has like
arrows in it, and I just ra think, like, oh
my god, that's the scariest thing I've ever seen at
(28:36):
a young age.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Carrie's so good at like doing the religious you know,
showing you like how crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yes, So there is a website list versus dot com
that has a list of stigmata situations reported real, ten
infamous cases of stigmata. I might spread this over a
couple of episodes because I just think that these are
(29:04):
so fascinating. Let me read you what it says about that.
Lady Teres Newman is. She was born in eighteen ninety
eight in Connorsruth, Bavaria. She was the oldest of ten children.
Being the eldest, she was often put in charge of
taking care of her siblings, especially after her father served
in World War One. But taking care of children wasn't
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her calling. Teresa's true ambition was to become a missionary
sister in Africa. Sadly, in nineteen eighteen, she was injured
during a fire, causing her to suffer partial paralysis of
the spine and later blindness. Formerly a hearty girl, she
was left bedridden and unable to work. Okay, hang on,
(29:49):
we're going to get to the part where she starts
bleeding all over the place. Since she couldn't work, she
took up the next best thing, which was intense religious devotion.
She was especially enamored by Saint Teres of Le Sue.
While lying on her bed in nineteen twenty five, she
(30:10):
heard the voice of the newly canonized Saint Teres of
Lis Sue. She asked her if she wanted to be better,
because you know, she was bedridden, and Teresa, of course
answered yeah, ah, what do you think. The saint told
her that she could now stand and see, but she'd
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still suffer. And suffer she did because Teresa was about
to get the shock of her life, and she received
the stigmata. On the first day of Lent in nineteen
twenty six, while ill with the flu, she was alone
in her room when she experienced a divine ecstasy. As
the day went on, she discovered bloody marks on her nightgown,
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on her side and above her heart. The stigmata had
chosen her. The side wound continually wept blood, and on
the third day of Lent, the hand wounds appeared, followed
by tears of blood. The next day. You got to
go to a doctor. I'm sorry. Saint Teres of Lessu
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said that she'd suffer, and it did NonStop. Later in
the year, Newman finally received her bloody crown of thorns. Wow,
the wounds never healed and they stayed on her body
until her death.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I mean, that's a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
She only survived on Eucharist.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, you're making that up.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It says Saint Teries came to her during her suffering
and told her, quote, no more earthly food. You'll survive
on Eucharist.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Which is essentially cannibalism. Non Catholics don't realize that in
order to be Catholic and to receive the Eucharist, Yeah,
you have to commit to this belief system that says
one that when the priest you know, performs transubstantiation, that
that wafer actually becomes the body of Christ and that's
(32:09):
the wine you're drinking is his blood. I'm not saying metaphorically.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
But you don't believe in trans people.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So you know, well, and as I always say, you
never told me what part of the body it was.
You just told me to eat it. I don't know
what that is. That's nasty. So yeah, she didn't eat
anything other than you Christ every day. And she drank
no water starting in nineteen twenty six, and she lived
until nineteen sixty two. And she claims blood was dripping
(32:41):
out of her eyes and her hands and all of
that all the time, never ending supply of blood.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I do find that to be fabulous. And I actually
actually think if I were her, I would have gone
on the road. You know, I would have been like,
I would have been doing shows, you know, absolutely, I
would have milked it for all it's worth, you know.
But she but to take that gift and just to
sort of like, I don't know, wither away, it's just,
(33:09):
you know, it seems like kind of a waste.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But she had. Just for reference, can you pull up
a photo of Terese Newman and EU M A N
N Just so that Peaches can see what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Oh yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yes, there's one picture in particular, the one that has
like a lime green painted wall and she's sitting in bed.
It's a color photo, and there is blood all over
her veil and her her whole outfit.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It's almost like she took the she took the blood.
And this is why it looks so ridiculous because it
makes no sense. She like dabbed her hands and then
went like tap tap tap tap tap tap tap all
around her. It doesn't really Yeah, I don't know ra's that.
I mean, I guess she was taking the holes in
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her hands, like hitting her head. I don't know anyway. Yes,
now I just.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Started coming out of her. In all those spots it
was blood.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That's not stigmata.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Then, well, Jesus had a lot of bloody spots. But
you can see in the picture that she's got hand
holes and her eyes are bleeding.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Now why are her eyes bleeding there? What does that
have to do with Jesus?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know. That's a thing, bloody eyes. But I
have to say, do you know that they actually didn't?
This is like a kind of a stigmata debunk that
historically speaking, when people were crucified, they did not stake
them through their hands because your hands, the bones in
your hands are so small and slight that the weight
(34:47):
of your body would rip through even your arms, it
wouldn't last. So they were actually staked through the wrist
because the bones there were much stronger.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Wouldn't that just kill you instant too?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Like? Probably?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, I'm sure, probably way quicker than the hand anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, so I don't even think this is historically accurate.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Wow, here's skeptical, peaches.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Do you know the best Stigmata drag number? I ever saw?
What your best friend of all time, Jackie beat I
got to see her perform Stigmata the Ministry song live
with a rock band at a club was probably the
late nineties early two thousands, at a club in La
(35:35):
called Club Makeup, where they would bring in a rock
band and have different people, a lot of drag performers.
I saw her. I saw Eva Destruction, who was Alexis Arquette.
I saw Jane Weedland did a Susie and the Banshee's number,
but they were doing a whole goth thing, and Jackie
fucking did Stigmata by Ministry and she nailed it. It
(35:58):
was amazing. I still think of it. I saw that
twenty five years ago and I still think about it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Ah. I love it. What was the thing that you
were gonna say before I got into the.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh, I was gonna say. Another thing that we have
to do as part of the Ghosted podcast is the
next time you're in San Francisco, I am going to
take you to the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church, which is
just up the street from where I live. And this
church has been around forever. I'm going to send you
information on it. They have churches all over the country.
(36:29):
They've been around since the eighteen hundreds. But what they
do it seems like a regular church. I went with
a friend. I've gone a couple times. The first part,
you go into this room and they have a woman
that plays an organ and it's quite creepy in filmmaking.
They have like relics around and you say a prayer.
Then you go into this other room and it looks
like a regular church with pews and an altar, and
(36:49):
then they start the map or what I don't know
what they call it, if they call it mass, but
they start the service a service. Yeah, and at some
point during the service, the person leading the service, which
could be a man or a woman. I've seen I've seen.
It's not like Catholics where you know, only men can
lead the mass. Uh. They do this section. The big
(37:12):
meat of it is they invite maybe two or three
other people who come up on the stage and they
start sort of going into a trance. And then they
look at people in the congregation and they'll point at
you and say, there's a man here who wants to
talk to you. There's psychics and yes, they start channeling
(37:33):
all these spirits and they have this whole thing where
they talk to you about who has come to visit
you and what ghosts there are. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Have you gone since the Heckleina thing?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
No? I haven't. I should huh. And they have service
every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it's called the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Cool. Can I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, it's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So
I go to eBay, I type a haunted doll, and
you know, I get all kinds and they always come
with these stories and a lot of times it's your
typical Oh this doll doll comes alive when I'm sleeping
(38:21):
or whatever. I was thinking, since it's you, maybe we
could get a little nasty with it. This is kind
of a nasty doll. Okay, Peaches, I hope you can
handle it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Physically cute Okay. Her name is Kitty K and she's
going for twenty five ninety nine. Do you how? I
just show us Kitty K. You got it?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Ros Oh, it's a little cat. She's very cute.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's just a little cat. But here's what it says.
Kitty K. She is beyond unique, shy at first, yet
really wild, like a big lie. She may not be
for everyone. Do not judge her taste. An adorable vessel
with a rough soul, unknown origin. She is using supernatural
(39:11):
abilities to appear harmless and neutral. She is white in
the front, dirty in the back. She loves it from behind. No,
this is what it says, I swear to God, Peches,
this is what it says. She is really special and
will change her form in shape to reflect what she
feels you are lusting for, to gain sexual activity from
(39:36):
you and other worldly spirits. Be careful and do not
let her consume you, for you are her master and
she needs to be shown some sort of control. In
all caps, she wants your sperm, and she wants to
drink all of your fluids. What she loves the smell
(39:56):
of shit. This is what I'm telling you. This, This
is what's wrote. I can't even read those peeges.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's so disturbing because to describe it to the listener,
it is the cutest little it looks like it's probably
really small, like this little teeny I don't know, like
very cute white cat who just looks so innocent and sweet.
I can't believe someone would degrade her like what.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And that's how I feel about myself, which is why
I cannot. I'm not going to read some of this,
but let me just say she's a fan of sewer pickles,
and they go into detail, Oh no, of what she
wants you to do with sewer pickles.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It also says she loves playing with ribbons, yarn, and
long objects that resemble snakes. She is for you, so
pet her if you want her to give it back
to you, you will have visions of her face drooling
after biting off the face of her prey. She always
wants affection and always wants you. Just make sure you
(40:58):
know how to handle an animal femail in bed, because
she will make you think you're in a whole other realm.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I don't even understand what what's happening.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, just to keep explaining, Just to keep in mind,
there was a sentence in here about whatever you're lusting after,
she will appear as Okay, so it's the sex spirit
that is attached to this. Once you buy this doll
for twenty five ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Then all your fantasies come true.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yes, there will be a scat queen manifesting however you
are lusting.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Wow, she's very cute. She has little pink ears.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Wow, I'll bite my tongue. All right, that was that.
Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, it's time for EVP.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Or ev pse. Okay, Peaches christ if that is your
real name. I go to YouTube and I find ghost
voices and these are both from the same person. Their
name on YouTube is Jason seventy two uk uk.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
They were just walking on the street filming and they
caught a ghost saying a couple of things. What is
this ghost saying? Peaches? Okay, there's some street noise, but
you can kind of hear like a like do you
(42:41):
hear it?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No? Okay, wait, like a squeak no, it just sounds
like street noise. I don't hear the ghost.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Oh really, it's so clear, don't what.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Are you hearing?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, it's like a wait, it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
A car driving by and then like someone.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Going yeah, like far away, you can hear a voice
be like okay, So did they think it was a
eh penis b lesbians? Mm hmmm, see that's ps or
d bless us everyone, all right, it's one of these.
(43:38):
See they believe it's lesbians. Now that we know that,
I can hear it. Okay you can't, yes, because it's
like lesbians, like you can hear it in the day
with the track, okay lesbians. Everyone at home is.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Like they're like Peaches is dumb. It's clear as day.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
It's really okay. Same person posted this another one on
the street. What's this one saying? Okay, so obviously horrible
ambient noise, but there's like a I hear like a
definitely like a British I'm gonna guess man being like, no, no, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I hear that one better?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, that one's definitely closer to the recording device an
he guesses, take you to the beach, Yeah, not a
bad guess something like that. Do they think it was
a you say you got cream cheese? B you silly
(44:54):
old beast? You see? Are you saving your peach is?
Or d are you shaving your butt cheeks? Okay it's
one of those.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Oh I think maybe the peaches one.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes it's you, it is me. Yes, are you saving
your peaches?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I can hear that one.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, okay, now let me know that. Let me play it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
All you saving your peaches?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Do you know what she did your counting tata? Well,
I would say that's about it.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Well, here's the deal. We have homework. We're gonna go
to the UK together. That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Well, you sound like a real fun person a ghost
hunt with based on what heck Lena said that you
were oh so skeptical. You don't even believe in stigmata.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'll get with the program, and then we're gonna do
a stay on some pumps.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Brings that that we could easily make happen.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
And then you're gonna come to San Francisco and we're
going to go to the Golden Gate Spiritualist Church together.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's so I don't know
why I never thought to tell you about it before,
but it is right up your alley.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Well, I always like hanging out with you. Tell people
where you want them to find you. What about?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
What about? What about the podcasts I've never been on?
What about that? Maybe tell people to listen to that
one of my favorite podcasts. I listened, I've never missed
an episode.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Well, I can't believe you've never been on that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
H Yeah, I can either. And welcome back to your
third time on this one.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean that is crazy. I've tried to tell Michael
how great you are.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Just do an idle worship episode of me and we'll
make it good.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
I think you deserve one, but yes, you can. You
know I have gone back to after years of depending
on social media, I have invested in really maintaining and
updating Peacheschrist dot com because I absolutely just hate everything
and I hate relying on fucking Zuckerberg or whatever, Twitter whatever,
(47:14):
I mean, I still use it. I'm still on a
lot of that shit. Although I'm not on Twitter anymore.
That was a step too far. I'm on Blue Sky,
which I quite like. But anyway, really Peaches Christ dot com,
everything about the podcast and upcoming shows. I'm I think
we need to return to running our own stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yes, absolutely, Yeah. It's funny that you say this about
your website because you've always had a good website. And
I remember ten years before I met you, maybe I
found your website and I was like, what is all this?
That's like how I knew who you were. Oh, it's
your website.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
But then I kind of got lazy with it when
social media became such a big thing because people were
engaging there. But now like I have a newsletter and
I'm I'm you know, I kind of like more into
cultivating a direct connection with people rather than relying on
the because we're being censored, you know, drag is being censored,
trans people are being censored. Like these corporate oligarchs are,
(48:12):
you know, controlling what we It's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Sounds like I'm being a conspiracy theorist. But now, no, no,
it's here. It's here. It's a fascist America and we're
living in it.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
So I don't know if you know about this, but
I'm traveling America and I'm just doing I'm doing close
to fifty gay bars. I saw that because I'm like
I can't put out a special right now or whatever,
like yeah, so I'm just gonna go out and see
people face to face, old fashioned.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Good for you, good for you, and you know everyone,
I'm sure all your listeners already know this, but like,
you are so good, You're so funny, You're so likable
while also being kind of a bitch, and I you
know what I mean. I just think you're so great
and I think people like everyone I know that came
to see you when you came to San Francisco, everyone
(49:04):
just loved it. So folks, should you know, get their tickets.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Thank you? Okay, well thank you girl. Oh you saving
your peaches.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Of course, well no, I give them away.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Thank you so much to Peaches. Christ Wow, that episode
had everything. Thank you for listening. And uh I love
you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
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This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out
loud and sometimes I'll even call you, So email me
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and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez, and
on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior
producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
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petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by the spine
chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
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frightening Danielle. Listen to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez on the
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