August 18, 2025 • 61 mins
This week, Roz lavishly sets her altar and conjures world-renowned exorcist, author, and director, R.H. Stavis! It’s a rollicking reunion as these two exor-sisters discuss possession, demons, and R.H.’s most terrifying case file yet—exorcism at The Rosewood Inn!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the bed spooky? Hey, Joky, I'm really
sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,
I said, I los Amanda's please.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hey boo, it's me Ross And welcome to Ghosted by
Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh my, Gord, I got to talk to my dear
friend Rachel Stavis also known as r. H. Stavis her
fancy author name. And Okay, she's been on this pod
many times. I haven't had her on in a minute.
(01:03):
We were so long overdue. And if you're unfamiliar with her,
she is an exorcist and she has this amazing book.
We talk about it a little bit. But you know,
there's new listeners that maybe have not heard any conversations
with her. You can always go back in the feed
(01:26):
the past few years. You'll find her if you scroll
back or just you know, just just go for it.
Just keep listening and you'll get the idea. But she's amazing,
and me and many people I know have witnessed her
abilities and I'm here for it. She's just so cool.
(01:49):
She's so cool. Anyway, I think you're gonna enjoy this conversation, so,
you know, let's just get into it as I always.
You can see any of my live dates at roz
Hernandez tour dot com. Okay, here's my conversation with our
(02:10):
H Stavis. On with the show. I am joined by
my sister in Bangs. That's true Sister of Darkness, which
is the name of her book. Our H Staves, also
(02:34):
known as Rachel. Yes to you, Hi, Hi, how are you.
I'm good, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I missed you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh my god, I know I missed you too. We
have not been having a whole lot of people that
know what they're talking about on the show. We've just
been having a lot of just silly sally's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You can have both.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I know, I like to work. I like to work
in a more expert level person here and there.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And you've been on this podcast at least three times.
I would say, I think this is the third. This
is the third, I think so. And then maybe you
did a live show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I did a live show with you, okay for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, so there might be people that are new to
you on this podcast at least. So maybe we should
go back to like our age Davis one, oh one,
because you're a situation.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm a situationship.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're a situation Well, first of all, the easiest way
for people to learn is just to read your book.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Sure, yes, So I had a memoir come out with
HarperCollins a minute ago called Sister of Darkness, and it
is about how I became an exorcist.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It is so good. It's like I remember reading it
and like not putting it down. So I've talked to
so many people.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That have read it and appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You are definitely one of those kinds of people that,
to me and my skeptical brain, I'd be like, oh,
here we go, just hearing the concept of oh, this
person that can see demons and exercise them. But then
the more you like hear your story and hear how
you describe all of this and then see it firsthand,
(04:28):
it's like, wait, there's something here.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I know. I've scared a lot of people who are
like very skeptical.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Because I can see that that's the best.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, yeah, I'm not sad about it, but you know,
like I obviously I work on a lot of people
here in Hollywood, you know, people in the industry and
people who are very skeptical about paranormal anything, you know, right,
and they've come in for sessions because of one thing
or another, because sometimes you know, it's not necessarily like
I'm possessed. It's like, you know, I'm blocked. I haven't
(05:00):
had a job in a while, or relationship things or
even conception. Like I've helped people conceive, so you know,
they'll come in and they'll be very skeptical about what
might happen or how it's going to change anything. But
you know, people try stuff so they're like okay, and
then they're like, holy shit, I don't know what happened,
but my whole life changed afterwards.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I mean, it doesn't hurt no, Like why not just
like go for it, just try to do it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Just let me do it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Why you help people conceive? Yes, now, how does that work?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's the same. Honestly, it's the same thing, because you know,
sometimes when people are having conception issues, it can be
spirit related. It's obviously not always, you know, there are
some medical things that go and are involved in that.
But sometimes I'll get clients who are like everything's fine,
Like nobody can explain why this isn't happening. And sometimes
(05:51):
it's connected to old trauma. Sometimes we're mentally trying to
block something we don't even know we're blocking. You know,
when you want something so bad but like a part
of you is kind of repelling it, a bit that
can go on inside the body energetically. So we have
to clear all of the old trauma, we have to
clear any attachment, if there is any attachment, and then
(06:12):
you know, it sort of happens after that. And so
I've had I mean, I don't even know probably if
I had to guess, well over fifty people who've conceived.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Have any of them named their baby after you?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't ask, but yes, better. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you're the exercist to the stars. You. I don't
know how many people are on record about it, but
I can say you've released a deep bit from my body.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I believe I had just like a cute, like petite demon.
I had like just like a really demure, little little
less stinker in there.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Exactly, and you got it out and it made a difference.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean, at least what you did to me is like,
first of all, so relaxing.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Not for everyone, oh okay, for me. I was like
that was great, Yeah for you, it was.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had to smoke a cigarette after.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, hello, why are you flirting with me so hard
to getting aggressive?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm sorry, So first you talk to the person.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yes, absolutely, because most of the time. It's getting different now,
but back in the day, I would be a last
resort for a lot of people. Right, They've tried all
of these other things and they're like, none of this worked.
So when they come to me, they're scared, usually because
they're an exorcist and they don't know what to expect.
(07:48):
Some people are very into it, like all my vampires
are fine with it, like they could like you like,
like my people are like, yes, this is yes, I'm here,
but you know, other people are not. Because I don't
just get those kinds of people in the spirit room.
I get people who are really scared of things, you know,
and have a healthy, you know, fear of everything that
(08:08):
I do. So I like to talk to them first
and just kind of well for two reasons. The first
reason is I hear better from people's spirit guides when
they tell me something, they talk over them interesting. So
I don't know why that is. I don't really have
a reason. I think It has to do with the
fact that people people come to me and they speak
(08:31):
because I ask, like, what are you doing here, why
are you here? What do you want? And they start
telling me what I call branches, but I deal in roots,
not branches. So in other words, they'll say, well, I'm
here because I have addiction issues, I'm here because I'm stuck.
I'm here because my relationship ended and I don't know
where to go from here or whatever. Like these are
(08:52):
just very common things, and for me, I'm hearing from
their spirit guides, like, we need to talk about that
thing that happened to him when he was and we
make this exactly so I'll let people speak and then
I won't contradict them, but I'll be like, and also,
we should talk about this, you know, So we kind
of get into it a little bit, and then I explain,
(09:15):
here's what you're going to experience, here's what you're going
to feel in your body. I have to touch you,
which I feel weird saying to people, but I'm like
cause I also have them close their eyes a lot
because things come up and I want them to catch it,
you know, memories, thoughts, ideas, like things that are connected
to the experience that we're pulling out. So I have
(09:37):
to tell them, like I have to put my hands
on you in order to pull these things out of
the body.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So I always feel awkward about that, but everyone's always like, no,
that's fine. So I'm like, okay, cool. Well, and then
we go through the motions of pulling those entities, attachments,
old traumas, all that energy that's stuck out of the body.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And it's like, what do you say? Multi? Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So I'm considered non denominational, right, but I consider myself
more multi denominational because I'll work on everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
With everyone, I feel like what I remember is you
summoning all the people that are going to take care
of the demons.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's correct? Yes, And somebody, this is so random. I'm
so sorry. Yesterday I had a follower send some kind
of email that was like, Hey, did you know there's
like this weird catholic YouTube about you?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh, tell me everything.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I didn't watch it because like, I can't. I can't,
like I can never watch a YouTube of anything anything
related to me anyway. But it was so funny because
it was like the title was like something like this
extorsist uses demons to take demons out. Oh, because they
(11:01):
just don't acknowledge that there are high beings that are
not Catholic or Christian, right, so now everything else is
a demonic of course. So I'm like, okay, I'm not
watching an hour and a half of someone explaining why,
you know, like, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I can't because who are you bringing in?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It depends on the person.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so Arching Angel Michael.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, usually there's arch angels involved. There's other you know,
deities that I work with that I like, a lot
that are Egyptian, maybe some that are Dianic or you know,
but it's who I have a relationship with that I
work the best with. But at the same time, you know,
I do have a lot of people who come to
(11:46):
me that have grown up in like religious cults or
cult survivors that have special feelings about certain high beings
of their own, like certain angels or certain you know,
how they feel about God or spirit or whatever. So
I try to keep that in mind when I work
on people as well, because I want them to feel comfortable.
I think, more than anything, you know, I understand that
(12:10):
people are coming to me for help, and that is
what I do and so I really just try to
keep their experience in mind. I can't control how it
feels for them, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. But
you know, if I can control everything else and make
them feel safe, I guess that's what I'm saying. You know,
it's creating safety for people in an unsafe idea.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Have you ever seen somebody like Levity.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
During an exorcism? Yeah, that's a great question God.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And now I'm like rolodexing, Well, what would what would
be your estimation for how many of these you've performed?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay, so this is going to make you ill? Are
you ready? So last year I had to figure that out.
So okay, I'm going to go back oways. Last year
I had some kind kind of get together for some
some spiritual thing and I think you were invited, but
you couldn't come because you were out of town. So
(13:08):
I had a bunch of people in my house. We
were doing something, and then I had my manager, Kaylie Marsh.
She was there and she never had seen the spirit room,
so she was like, can I come in look at
the Spirit Room? I was like yeah. So she comes
into the spirit room and she sees these books like
on the shelf and they're like handwritten, you know, like bullshit,
(13:29):
like I write myself. And she's like what is this?
And I was like, Oh, those are my case files
and she was like excuse me, what now? And I
was like, yeah, like I not everybody, certainly not everybody
and most people know, but like every now and again,
I get a case. I have a case that like
I want to remember in some way, like it was
(13:51):
the scariest to me, or there's something in it that
I need to remember for myself for next time, or
you know, sometimes they're really emotional for me, and so
I want to recall that, like I needed to have
that written down. And she was like how many of
these do you have? And I was like I don't know.
So I had to go in and actually count, like
how many clients have I had over the years versus
(14:15):
how many like specialty kind of movie style case files
are there. And it turns out I hit ten thousand
clients last year.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You counted all those like one by.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
One basically because I do keep records of that. And
I was like, oh my god, that's like where did
I even have time for this? What the hell? Like
do I sleep? I don't know, you know, and then
out of that the case files is maybe ten percent, you.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Know, and those are like those are the.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Maybe ten per probably less much less sectually.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
When what's the last one you've had that you put
in the oh my gosh, the last movie style, I.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Don't even know if I can say this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just don't say people's names or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, So I'm gonna say this because this will make
it harder for people to figure out who. Over the years,
I've had a lot of what you would call rock icons, yes, okay,
everything from like arena rockers, you know what I mean,
like hair band hair metal to like you know, nineties everything. Like,
(15:27):
I've seen a lot of musicians.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And those people. To me, anytime I've been around them,
I just sit there and I go, you have had
forty thousand people in the palm of your hand at once. Yes,
Like the power that is that comes out of a
person like that, right, Like it really is something.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yes, And over the years I have seen quite a
few of them, and many times when I do this,
one of the things that they like to do is
they're like, Hey, come to my show, right we're having
like we're on tour, We're gonna have an LA stop obviously,
you know, can you come to the show. So I'm like, sure,
(16:06):
I'll come, you know why not? So a couple of
these times the tour has lined up before the exorcism?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And for anyone that doesn't know you visually can see.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh yes, sorry I did not, I didn't I didn't
say that. Yes, I have been able to see entity
with my eyes since I was a child, and it's
just never gone away. So like you know, kids seeing
monsters under the better, monsters in the closet and then
parents come in and they're like there's nothing there. Like
for me, it never went away.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And so you can actually see like a a something
on somebody when they have it, and you have a
full scale. This is when I say you're a situation
because you have like a what do you call it?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
A Yeah, like a spectrum, Yes, a spectrum, a spectrum
of entity. Yeah, that are unique, but not because I
see the same species if you will, over and over
again quite frequently, very rarely to see something that doesn't
fit in that box, which has happened which I can
tell you about. Ooh yeah, totally totally different.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And the book really lays it out.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, it's everything, like, yeah, it's my whole experience basically.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But wait before we get to that one, the one
that was on me that you took out. Was it
like a cute like? Was it pretty?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay? So I don't know if you recall this, but
if I can share with your listeners.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Tell them everything.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm gonna tell you guys everything. It was what I
call a clive which is very scientific, you guys, because
I call it that because it looks like a Clive
Barker drawing to me. Yes, So it's like a little
it's smallest. It's the one that most people do pick
up just by having like any kind of trauma. Because
(17:55):
that's another thing people should know is that possession attachment.
All of this has to do with trauma. So you know,
when we take a hit in our what I call
baseline frequency, for whatever reason, we can end up in
low frequency and that causes attachment. So this is an
easy attachment to get, but it acts like it's a
lot bigger than it is. So it exacerbates bad feelings.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So if you're angry, you have rage, you know, if
you're sad, depressed, that kind of thing. It's an amplifier,
and that's what you had. And they I guess they're
kind of cute.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But was mine like extra cute?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yours was very colorful. I love that as you are.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think you. I'm not mistaken. I think you gave
me one right before I left to do that reality show.
That's right. Yes, And you also gave me a tourmaline ring, yes,
which is one of my prize possessions. And I truly
believe that if I have it on, I'm like, nothing's
(18:59):
fucking with me.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I remember those text messages.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I love it. I have it, and it's like very
sacred to me.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Good. I'm glad because that it really does help. I
know it's like very woo woo sounding to be like crystals,
but it does well.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But it's also like imbued in whatever you got. Yes,
that's true, So I do that. Oh speaking up, Wait,
what is this bog?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But I do have to hear about this rock.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I know we could just be on a tangent for hours.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's us.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's how we hang out, I know. Okay, So sometimes
going to the concerts what happened before the Exorcist up?
Just because of dates and timing, you know, and people
are busy and whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Now do their demons like also have like long hair
and space?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well, let me explain because you're gonna like this, and
I'm I'm I hope, I'm not outing anybody, like I
hate to do that. So how do I at this?
Many times when I see rock stars of all kinds, singers, guitarists, bassists, drummers,
doesn't really matter, they will come to me and they
(20:14):
will say I know I have a demon, of course,
and I'll be like, okay, say more. So they're like, okay,
I've had this demon since I started. I think this
demon is what makes me creative. I'm really scared to
get rid of this demon.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I think this demons made me money, like the whole sting.
So I'm like okay, Like I have empathy for that.
Like I'm like okay. And it gets me every time
because they're always like it's Baphomet. Oh classic classic, yeah,
very classic, And I'm like, why do you think that?
And they're like, well, it showed itself to me. This
(20:51):
is true. This has happened to numerous numerous times, really,
and so I try to explain to them, but i
don't want to burst that bubble, you know, like I
don't want to take that away. But I try to
explain to them, Okay, what you actually have attached to
you is what I call a trickster. And what a
trickster does is it creates a symbiotic relationship with a
(21:12):
toast that's you. Right, So how it works is it
will pull something from your mind that you want, sure,
and it will replicate that for you. That's not really
what it is or what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But it's pulling, so they think that's what it is,
and I'm just like, okay, but the reality is like
this demon isn't you know, going from guy to guy
to guy. Come on, who has the time? Who has
the time? So no, you know, it's not that. And
(21:50):
sometimes they're like, okay, that makes sense to me. Cool,
let's do this. Obviously, sometimes people are like, don't touch me,
so you know, it's up to them. But when I
see their concerts before I have a chance to take
it out is the most crazy time. So normally when
(22:10):
I'm invited to these concerts, they'll put me in a
really nice area, so it's some kind of VIP area. Right,
because they're giving you like the treatment. So I'm in
a VIP area and oftentimes those VIP areas are towards
the front right, like close to the stage, and this
has happened numerous times now and it's crazy to watch,
(22:30):
Like even I'm like what this nut? So I'll be
in the VIP section. I don't know how much the
VIP sections actually cost, but these are big bands, you know,
so I'm guessing they're expensive. Oh I'm sure, you know,
like good a lot because it's also like backstage access, right,
So whatever that is at five ten thousand dollars, I
(22:51):
don't know. So I'm there usually with their kind of
entourage of people, and then I'm watching the rest of
the VIPs and like watching the show. And then they
will play whatever that is. If it's someone who sings,
they'll start singing. If it's someone you know, whatever it
is that they do. When they start doing whatever they do,
the whole scene changes because the entity is still in play.
(23:15):
This is again wild stuff because what ends up happening
almost all the time is a fight breaks out once
they start doing whatever it is that they do. So
I'm watching VIPs who paid maybe ten thousand dollars to
be there. Adult people, like, they're not twenty year olds,
you know what I mean, drunk twenty year olds. They're
(23:37):
like adult, well dressed business people, right, starting to wail
on each other physically. Yes, wow, And it will stop
the minute that person.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Stops, once they stop playing.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes. So like, for example, if someone's like a soloist
of some kind, right and they have this whole big,
like guitar solo, that's when it'll start, and then as
soon as they're done, it'll stop, like it never happens.
Weird entity by So you're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That David Lee Roth's gone up there and started singing
and then a fight breaks.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I you know, I'm just saying, we don't know if
David Lee Roth let me touch him or not.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I'm just I'm just I'm just pulling a name out.
I'm not even she never said that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't out people who you don't.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's amazing, and really that's really cool because people should
trust their exorcises.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They definitely should. And I will say this too. The
only time I've ever really had to sign NDA's are
spaces makes sense?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh, like buildings that you go to.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yes, because if you have a casino, if you have
a cruise ship, if you have a ship, stop, they
had a demon on the cruise Ship's done planes?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
What?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What was wrong with the plane?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The ad demus?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Wait, going back to the rock star thing. Yes, do
you believe in the concept of like selling your soul
to the devil for success?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I mean not to say that people don't do weird
things right, or try to summon weird things get themselves
in trouble, you know, because I think there are people
who are very curious about the occult and are like,
it's no big deal, it's probably fake, and then do
something stupid. It's sure, so maybe try to do that,
(25:42):
but it doesn't really work.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So like deals don't go down like that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's not quite that way. It's like, remember we've had
this conversation before. But like I guess for people who
have not heard this before, remember when I talked to
you about realm walkers. Walkers are what people consider I
think the devil and realm walkers are the most malignant
entity there is. They're the ones who I consider like
(26:09):
movie style entity, right, So they're the ones that you
always see, you know, possessing this girl on a farm
right in the middle of nowhere because they lost their
faith or you know whatever. That's not how it works.
That rarely ever happens, because first of all, realm walkers
are very rare, and they have the ability to hold
buildings many people at once. Like anything that a lesser
(26:32):
one can do, it can do.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Is this also like the influential people one.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yes, exactly, That's where I was going. So so realm walkers.
And this is just logical too. I think if you
really think about it, if they can do all this damage,
what are they going to do with this girl on
a farm just run through her family? That's pointless. What
they want are people who are world changers, you know,
people who can make great and powerful influence, because that's
(27:00):
the whole typical good versus evil point, right, So they're
not going to go after that girl on a farm
unless we know that someday that's her job, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So, and they can see in the future like that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Time is just very different. But for deceased people as well,
just very different. It's just not it's like on a plane,
I don't know how to it's like a chessboard, like
they can see the moves, they can see it all.
It just is a different rate of time. Yeah, so
you know those and something else are usually the ones
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that hold spaces.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Do you think that, like there could be a rock
star that gets one of those because they have so
much influence.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's it? Okay for sure? So anyone who is of
a certain caliber that reaches x amount of people and
can influence X amount of people is a world changer.
I mean just thinking, sure, sure, you know to some degree,
like even you know, a YouTuber with like twenty million
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followers technically is a world changer.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right. Well, I'm a little bit bummed I didn't get
one of those.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well I know who to call. That's the good news. Okay,
what's in this box?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So Ross, is this haunted?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I know that you constantly and we have had arguments
about Annabelle. Say I say what I say still to
this day, No demon an Annabelle. I'm gonna get so
many dams. You love a haunted doll and you like
to debate. We've gone over many ebays. Is this doll haunted?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Is it non haunted?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Is my thing?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Stories about haunted doll everybody's like, I'm ina tell ros
about my haunted doll.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So I wanted to bring you something that I know
is haunted.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You're keeping it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, it's for you, No, trust me. Read the card first.
Well it actually it doesn't matter. You can. You can
look at it whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
But look, don't worry because I put it in look
Fort Knox.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Wait, so there's like an actual it's like a locker.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But don't lock it. You just open it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Is it gonna pop out it?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It's gonna pop out at you. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's a skull.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It's a skull.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's a black skull. For anyone that can't see. This
box is really cute. Oh it's a picky bang.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yes, I picked out that box for you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay, so who is this?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I guess you'll have to open the car.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Okay. Now here's the thing. I do not like haunt.
I don't want haunted up. I want to make fun
of them.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You're gonna like this one, I promise.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is it gonna make me famous? Okay? Your spirit? Ward
is Lois Lois Lois was a musical theater teacher in
high school in Texas. She died in nineteen eighty three
of a heart issue, but often jokes that her students
were the death of her. She was loud, charismatic, and
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well loved. She drank Arnold palmers and smoked filterless cigarettes.
She had an appreciation of looseight, furniture, love lucy. She
enjoyed singing, but no one else enjoyed her singing. Relatable.
Lois never married, but wants you to know that she
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was a quote strong man magnet.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Those were her words.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Lois chose you. She wants to protect you and your
home from negative energy. In exchange, please place her somewhere
nice and offer her some things she likes, including musicals, gossip, cigarettes,
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and gold. She is two stones, obsidian for protection and
grounding and labridite for spirit connection. Her message to you
is quote, there are bad days and good days, but
all days can be great if you stay true to
who you are, no matter what other people think. Oh
(31:26):
my god.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, so let me explain.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So that's not as scary.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
No no, no, no. So as you know, part of
my ability is to communicate with deceased people.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes, and I've seen you make many people cry.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yes, because you've been to seances of mine and we
say they're sciances. They're not seances really, they're platforming. So
you know, I will have a bunch of people. I
usually only do this for friends and family. Yeah, it's private,
you know, And we have a bunch of people, and
whoever's deceased relatives come in.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We just are like, hey, here's a message, and I
start saying the message, and then people are like, I
think that's for me, and then we would all it
down to whoever that's for, right. So I started to
get the idea because for myself, I have a lot
of crystal skulls. I love skulls. I do too, like
I mean, hello hello. Yes. I also just so you know,
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for you, because I never wear color because again vampire
I wore for you. You can't see them, but these
skull butterflies that are pink.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Cute, pink skulls with butterfly wings. Yes, as ear rings
exactable for you. Those are super cute.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I thought you'd like them. I love them. But anyway,
so for me, whenever I've had large crystal skulls, because
of course I have large crystal skills that I take
with me on vacation. Don't ask, don't ask. I was
starting to channel in de ceaze people who wanted to
help be guides, like who wanted to be in the
room I worked on, people who wanted to help with things,
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who wanted to help me, you know that kind of thing.
And I just thought, I find this very comforting. Yeah,
I wonder if other people would like this, you know,
if I started doing this for others. So I did.
I started doing it for others, just at first, just friends,
and I just wanted to see how it came in.
And I would just sit there to channel with whatever
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that item was, and I would say, okay, like who
is this? Who is for this person? And I would
just start to get all the information and it got
really crazy because I would then give people like because
I've channeled this for people I don't know, or people's
friends or whatever, like my friend's friends, somebody else, and
I would get things like, you know this, this person
(33:45):
died in whatever you know, nineteen eighty nine, I'm making
this up now, nineteen eighty nine, and was like a
movie theater manager. And then it would go to the
person and they would come back and they would be like,
oh my God, my dad was a movie theater manager,
so it's always correct. I never know who it is.
But these are spirits who want to come in and
help protect. They want a job. Oh interesting, Yeah, they
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want to be with you.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
They're unemployed, and they're like, I mean, honestly, my life
is fun. I would be a great for any unemployed
spirit exactly to be I'm not welcoming any unemployed spirit.
Well you have one, but I want Lois to know
that you really hit the jackpot over here, ladies.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I mean I think she knew because when I sat
down to channel for you, because I know you, I'm like,
who is going to be enough? Like who is going
to be big enough? And she was like I'm big enough.
I'm coming in.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes. I do love the thought of a teacher being
like be yourself.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, I think because like the impression I get from
everything that she gave me, because you know, when I channel,
it's like words, pictures, emotions. Oh the emotions are actually
like I want to punch people over the emotions. But
I can talk about that in a minute. But I
think she felt like she was constantly censored because she's
such a big personality. Oh interesting, you know, so people
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were like, you're too big, right, yeah, And for me,
I'm in no such thing as too big, Like I'm
big enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Like, I think that's something that Loes might have said,
because you know, she is kind of a dick magnet.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Apparently, yeah she was, and I'm sure she said it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Wait can I take her out or no? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Does she have her own little blankie?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah? I put a little soft thing in there.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Is she don't bite me? No? Oh, just kidding, just kidding,
Oh my god. First of all, this is such a
nice crystal.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So you're saying that you had this crystal first, yes,
and then you put Lewis in here.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Well, it's not really in there. So this is so
funny because people always ask that too, are like are
they stuck in there? No, they're not stuck in there
and are not in there. It's just a grounded piece
that they're attached. It's so beautiful, it's really pretty. I
love that one.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
How is that you?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
She's not gonna tell you on camera.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Wait wait she's saying something.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh oh maybe she is.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Let's go get some man in cigarettes. Ah, babe, that
sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Honestly, that's what you've wanted your whole life long.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would love to be two single ladies, the two
of us. What if I just like take her with
me to the bar.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
You can and I have. I am the crazy woman
going back to that that takes skulls that are like
I'm not even kidding you, ra It's like, I have
one that's this big.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I'll pack a suitcase of skulls. This is not a joke.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
No, They're very heavy. So I will take them, especially
if i'm driving, Like I think you know, I like
to go up to the mineral hot springs.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
So I'll go up to my favorite mineral hot springs
to go away from people for a while, and I'll
pack a suitcase of skulls and I will bring them
and I will put them in the water with me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Lady, has she done a bath in the mineral health? Wow?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
She's all clean.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I love it. And plus it's like a pretty skull too,
like sometimes you want it, you want it one of
these skulls, and it's like whose bone structure was that?
This is a pretty skull, nice cheek bones. She looks
good set of teeth, nothing missing. No, it's beautiful. Well,
thank you. And I do want to make it very
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clear to people, this is not an invitation for you
to send me your haunted doll. This is coming from
a professional.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's true. It's true that.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I can call if I needed if Lois took a turn.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But you're pretty convinced that this is a good oh
spirits you see, and I trust you that you would
know the difference.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I absolutely know the difference because.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
To me, if some ghost was like, hey, I'm a ghost,
want to come play, and I'm like, oh wow, what
a nice person, and then like it turns out it's
like just.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Credit no no, I And you know I know the
difference because people send me their possessed items all the time,
right and cases I've had with particular items that I
keep at what I call diminished capacity so that they're
still in there but they don't get to move too
far out so I can study them.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Have you had them like try to escape?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, they're not. They don't have enough room for that technically,
but they complain like you can hear their voices. I've
done Okay, this is getting I'm gonna be as weird
as possible today. I've I've recorded them talking to each other. Stop,
I've recorded. I've put it on TikTok, like it's on there.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What I want to hear?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Where's the You can't hear it, but you can see
it's I put the captions on.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh, so you can tell what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I just wanted to see if they're gonna speak. And
I left the room. I just recorded them and put
captions on, right, okay, and just let it run for
like five minutes. And they had a whole conversation with
each other that I posted. And I also got them recently.
And this is where you're going to think, like, oh
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my god, this woman. I got them a theremon.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh, I love a theram Mayn.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I got them a Theremn. So I got them a Theremn.
I got them, you know, an amp and I have
yet to set it up, but I want them to
be able to make music.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh my god, that's beautiful. Yeah, maybe you can be
like their mamager. Get them get them going, get a career, go.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, make some money for me. God, we were just sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Here at the least. I mean, that's the thing with Annabelle.
She made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
She sure did, She's sure.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Lois. Listen up, lady, let's get let's get mama a
film contract.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Well, actually I have one with one of my unpublished
case files.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, Possession at Rosewood it's being made stop?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Wait what what what's the story? Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Thank you? Yeah, and Sister of Darkness side note is
also going through for television. Finally. That took a forever,
but it.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Is oh good.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah. So Possession at Rosewood was my scariest story to date.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Have I heard this one?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I don't know about the inn by eight times?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Would you be willing to change it to Possession at Roswood?
I mean, yes, okay, just one. It's not the name
of the place anyway. Okay, I can call it whatever
I want. Okay, So what was this real story?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
So? Okay. A few years back I did something I
don't know what. It was, some kind of interview somewhere,
and someone sent me an email and was like, hey,
I saw you on the thing. I have an inn
in a certain location. I don't like to say where,
because like I don't want to out anybody's anything because
people start looking. Yeah, you know, in a certain American
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location that has been around since the eighteen hundreds had
had a fire. You know, it sat around for a while,
nobody rebuilt it. I invested in it. I wanted to
bring it back to like its old glory, but like updated.
And he was saying that he had sunk a lot
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of money into it, like basically everything, and he had
a bunch of workers that no longer would work on
the property, and it was getting bad, Like there were accidents.
There was all kinds of stuff going on, people saying
they saw things. There was a situation where they started
putting Do you know what a spirit bottle tree is?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No? What's that?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Okay? So you've probably seen them though, especially in the South.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh, just a bunch of like bottles the.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Tree hanging from the tree. Yeah, that's to catch ghosts.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Oh really, maybe I need to do that just to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I mean, why not? It's also pretty Yeah, But anyway,
I guess the workers were doing that outside the property.
So he was like, this is a mess, Like I
need to get finished. So I was like, do you
believe there's something going on here? And he's like, it
doesn't really matter, like I just need, like we have
to open in three days, Like that's it. We have
to open in three days. We have to get this.
(42:27):
It's finished. So I hate saying this, but I think
it's true. At the time, I was cocky. I really
was cocky, you know, because I've been doing this a
long time. I'm pretty confident in my ability.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I want a cocky exercist.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Don't you. I mean he.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Wants an exorcist. That's like, I think we'll try.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that because I
have been told that I'm in my book, I'm arrogant,
and I'm just like, it's not arrogance, like you know me,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Angry even if you are, who cares?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But you know that's not even true.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, no, it's good. It's all like you are confident,
and I think people should be confident, yes, if they
can back it up.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
And so far, you know. So anyway, I was like, okay, yeah,
I'll take this gig and I'll go do it. So
I did, and it was in a very intense situation.
I thought what I was dealing with before I got
there was going to be a collector, and a collector
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is what normally holds the space. So a collector likes
the space of mass trauma. Here was a fire, right,
it kind of pulls this thing in energetically. And if
the deceased people don't want to move forward, so there's
no such thing as deceased people being stuck. But there
are such thing as decease people being like, I don't
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know what to do now. Okay, you know, I'm just
staying in the same place because they're traumatized. So a
collector will take a place that has high foot traffic,
keep deceased people in place, and use them like batteries
to scare the living so that it can feed off
living people. Okay, so does that make sense. I know
that's kind of a weird explanation.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
So when you go in to clear a collector, you
have to clear the batteries first. So you have to
have conversations, literal conversations with the deceased people and let
them know that it's safe to move on, and one
by one you release the deceased people and then expose
the entity.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
How did the deceased people get in this building.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Because of whatever fire?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
They died in the fire.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
There were a lot of people who died in the
fire way back when. OK So, I was like, oh,
this will be nothing, twenty four hours. I'll get this done.
I'll get there happy to decease people. They'll be happy
to see me, because they usually are. They're usually like, oh,
someone sees me and they can talk to me, and
oh I can go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
They're like, i've heard you on ghosting.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. And so I'm like, one and done.
I'll just get in there, get them all out, clean
it up. Yeah, yeah, no problem. That is not what
was there, not at all. So I get into this space.
I have three days. I stay in the space. That's
what happens, like you once you you know this once,
(45:13):
once I start an exorcism, I cannot stop the exorcism
because it will make things worse. And a few times
where people have challenged me to stop, they've called me crying,
being like I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
Get back here and finish it. But I don't argue
with people. I'm like, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So do you sleep or do you stay up this
whole time?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
It depends on how big the space is how many
times I have to go through the space, like no
stone unturned. You you can't just sit in a lobby
and be like it's gone, like you have to go
through everything. It's it processed. Yeah. So I was there
and I was in this space and it was very ornate,
(45:54):
like old mirrors, old like gramophone style thing like just
every thing was like, I think, very pretty, you know,
that's like my jam, but definitely didn't feel good in
the space at all. And I went into I don't
know how to put this, okay, So there was a
ballroom on the second floor, so there was how it
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was set up was there was a stair, a landing
with a huge mirror, like giant, big heavy mirror, and
then another landing that kind of went into this ballroom,
this very big ballroom.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow. And this was a business or a house.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
A business an in an inn. And as soon as
I got there, the record started playing like the second
that I got there, and it was ain't misbehaving, That's
what it was playing over and over again. So I
would go, I would move, I would turn it off,
it would play again. I would go and then I'd
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like it just kept playing. Whether it was anyway, just
kept playing.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
And this kind of stuff. This doesn't scare you.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Not at first, because these are what I consider parlor tricks.
This is like, you know, okay, you're playing like you
got my attention, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Are you kind of like not bad? But just wait,
I can take care of you.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yes, Like that's not the thing that's going to scare me.
Like I get that stuff a lot and I'm used
to it. So I was like, okay, you played a record. Cool.
So I go, I'm walking under the ballroom and I
see legs dancing.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But nobody just lag. Well.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The reason why I figured out later was because the
floor was moved. The original floor was pushed up, so
I was only seeing like half of them, right, because
they were in the same place.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's what that was, where the dance floor was that
they were used to ye, So.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
At some point they raised the ceiling. So I'm like, oh, okay, cool,
I'm going to go up there first because I'm sensing
the entity, but it's not showing itself to me at all.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Whose legs, like would you guess male? Female?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Both? Really they were people dancing, you know, like dressed
up people dancing. Uh huh, so I'm sensing the entity,
but it's skirting me, so it's watching me. I'm not
seeing it. So I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna give it space.
But in the meantime, I'm gonna go take out its batteries.
So I go upstairs and I walk into this what
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felt like a massive ballroom, but this place is not
that big, but it just felt really cavernous. And I
see all of these people and I'm like, Okay, this
is gonna be fine. I'm just gonna go release them
one by one, tell them they don't have to be here,
it's cool, and can just.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Make an announcement. Listen up, everybody.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
I don't know. Maybe I've never done it. I've tried
to be like personal. I try to have a relationship.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Listen, I'm very busy here, I know. So if you
can all just one at a time, get the fuck
out exactly.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I mean, maybe I should start getting like a megaphone
and just being like ghosts.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's how I would do it, But for you, you
do it your way.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yes, that's my way. I try to be helpful. So
I'm like, you know, I get up there ready to
do the thing I do all the time, and there's
something wrong with them. There's something wrong with them. There's
some kind of look in their eyes that is like borg,
do you know what I mean, Like it's like hive mind.
Now I'm cautious because I'm like, this doesn't feel normal.
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So I'm walking through very slowly. They're all watching me
like they've stopped dancing. They're all watching me, and it's
not a friendly feeling room. And then they circle me. No,
they did, absolutely did, and started talking to me. I
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was like, what is going on here? Like I really
couldn't process this at all, so unusual, it's never happens,
since it never happened before. And then I realized what
was going on is that they were still possessed by
the entity, like mentally, like energetically, so they weren't themselves.
And that's when I realized, oh shit, this entity was
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here during that fire, like before that even happened, maybe
caused it, maybe possess someone to start it, okay, And
it became a really scary endeavor for me because I
had to not clear the deceased people first, because they
were not going to go. They just weren't going to go,
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so I had to go straight to the entity, and
in this particular case, this entity was specific to a location,
so it wasn't even something I was used to. It
was something totally different. It was something in which it
would change your reflection in the mirror, like it did
so many crazy things. And it was the only entity
ever that sly touched me. Yeah here you can see
(51:05):
it the scar on my hand, oh, which was like
a burn. It felt like a burn. And so I
didn't know exactly what I was going to do. And
at that point, you know, as a person, right, you're like,
I'm getting the fuck out of here, Like I'm not
doing this, Honestly, I almost did. It's like the one
(51:28):
time I almost left because I never do that. I
never do that because I am a person of integrity.
I like to think, and so when I say I'm
going to do something, I will see that through, especially
this kind of thing, because other people don't do it.
So what am I going to do? So I went
to the door and I was like, I know this
is going to be like my last chance to leave
(51:49):
before this shit just go. It's just gonna wail. And
I had my hand on the door and I remember
just thinking, well, fuck, like if I do leave, he's
going to open this place anyway, and then what happens
to all these people? Like I can't do that, So
I have to see it through. And so I stayed
(52:12):
and I figured it out and it you know, I
don't want to give away everything about it. Yes, obviously
I want people to go see it, but when it's
available to see. But it was traumatizing, really traumatizing. And
it's the one time where technically I released the entity,
but it is not destroyed.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Where is it?
Speaker 3 (52:32):
It's it's every now and again I see it. It's
like BRANCHI following me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Stop? Yeah, what do you think it's like? Do you
think it's waiting?
Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't really know what it wants because it really,
it's not going to be able to kill me. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's going to want a piece of that movie. That's
what it wants.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Maybe it just wants to be famous.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Just let me have casting approval who played me.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Maybe it's looking to direct.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Wait, how many people would you say when you're talking
about these.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Spirits, like how many were in there?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:10):
I didn't count them, but if I had to guess,
I would say it was probably like somewhere between fifty
and seventy five.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
And it was so much worse than I'm saying, Like
there were points where people were jumping out of windows,
like I would see it replay downstairs, that bodies would
come out like it was crazy. There was like a
worker in a coma at one point, like just a law.
It was so dark. And it went back to that
mirror on the landing.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Cause were they gateways?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Whoas? It was something like I can't remember the exact
story now because it's been a few years and I
haven't written down, but it was something like the original
owners or builders of this space, they brought this thing
over from Europe, this giant mirror, and they used it
for something, not that kind of something. It wasn't on
(54:02):
the ceiling also would have killed them, it was so heavy.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Okay, wait, this is good. We do have to wrap
it up.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
This is what happens. We could do this forever.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I love hearing all of it. You have to come back.
What what do I do with Lois?
Speaker 3 (54:19):
So you're just gonna put Lois somewhere and ice that
you like?
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Ice? No?
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Oh? I think you said put her somewhere on ice.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I mean you'd have to talk to her about that.
Maybe she does want ice.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Of course, you can put away okay, good, put her
somewhere nice where you know you see her and she
can like see the house, and then just you know,
put out offerings for her, like she likes like cigarettes
and gossip with her and stuff, and you know, listen,
it's a relationship. You have to nurture it.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Now, what if I don't, is she gonna turn leave?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
No? Yeah, they just leave if they feel like they're underappreciated.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, that's nice. This is so sweet. It's like I
I feel like you literally gave me like a pet.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah kind of right, but like an autonomous being.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I just want to make sure she.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Can take care of herself. She just likes things. Okay,
it's a relationship. You know, if you don't nurture relationship,
what happens? They leave?
Speaker 1 (55:17):
True? And she and I know what it's like to
be single. Ladies so exactly.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
And also, man, magnets.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I love her, thank you so much. They're is such
a beautiful crystal.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Anyway, Like I'm so glad you like her, and I
love who came in for you. I just think she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Good. Do I keep her in the box though?
Speaker 3 (55:40):
No, you don't have to. I just wanted to. I
always present them in a box, so I wanted to
get you a box that to me was you.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's such a cute box.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
It's really cute, and it's a bank. You can put
coins in it.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
You keep the box, No, you keep it. You can
give it to the next person.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
That box is specifically for you.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
No, I'm not. I love it. No, I love it
so much, I really do. Okay, I just feel so
guilty taking all of this.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
No, but also you can keep her in the box
and keep the door open if you want to.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Like a little house, I'm upsess she comes complete with
her own little like dire.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
That's a dream house. Yeah, she's asleep.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
She fell over. Do you think she moved on her own?
Or was that me?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You'll find out soon enough.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, So what do we need to tell people? What
do you got going on? What do you want? Okay?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Well, working on Possession at Rosewood. That will be a
feature film. We are working on that now. Oh good,
thank you, sister of darkness. We are finally making a
show based on the memoir. So I'm psyched about that.
That should be cool. And this is a weird side note.
Just this morning, I it looks like I'm going to
(56:59):
be working on sci fi project that I really want
to do, which is weird for me, Like I'm not
usually sci fi, but I'm kind of into it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Cool because that's the thing. Like, you are a writer,
you also have a history of working in like the
comic book world.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yes, I used to write comics and video games still
my Baracraft, Yep, Lara Croft, Transformers, something monstrous, like I've
worked with Marvel, like I've done a lot of I'm
a nerd, like I'm such an I'm I am like
I'm such a nerd, like I geek out over so
much ridiculous stuff. But yeah, that's my heart. My heart
is always comics and video games and still is. So
(57:36):
you know, every now and again, I'm like, maybe I
should write some more. I don't know, but yeah, yeah,
I love it and and I try to create story
now when I do write, to kind of be as
or even direct, like I've had a few chances to
direct now and it's just like I want it to
be that full color of full you know, what I mean, Like, Fashy.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
I'm excited to see like your expression of the way
you see the world, you know what I mean, Like
when it comes to Sister of Darkness being a TV show,
your book being a TV show, I'm so excited to
see your yeah interpretation of like the closest you can
show us to what it's like.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
True, And even with Rosewood, like what is that even
going to look like? It's going to be crazy because
I have to show you what an entity looks like
to me. And then how the next question becomes how
do you do that properly? You know, because there are
ways you could really mess that up and make it
look not as scary as it is. So it's like,
how do we make that actually terrifying?
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Well, listen, I have nice legs. Yes, I would love
to offer my legs for that opening scene.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
I mean, listen, don't start something you can't finish.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
I would love it so much if I could just
have my legs dancing around dancing for the scene where
you're walking up the stairs and you see legs.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
I would like that I can make that happen, just
so you know, Yay.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Okay, well thanks for doing this Thank you for Demon Lady.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
I'm so glad we got to hang out.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
And that's an episode. Thank you so much to the Exorcist,
the Exorcister, the Demon Lady, our h Davis. Wow, and
guess what now I got Lois. I'm happy about it. Okay,
(59:40):
could be way worse. And Lois's she's going to be
here in the exactly right studio. I think she's gonna
get a lot of gossip. I'm going to try to
get my hands on some cigarettes for her unfiltered, and
the gossip will be unfiltered, so at least I I
can promise her that. And uh maybe she'll be my
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new co host. Who knows. So anyway, thank you Rachel,
and thank you for listening. I love you all, both
living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
haunt me, don't haunt me, hey By. This has been
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What's that at the bed spooky? Hey, Joky, I'm really
sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,
I said, I los Amanda's please.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hey boo, it's me Ross And welcome to Ghosted by
Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh my, Gord, I got to talk to my dear
friend Rachel Stavis also known as r. H. Stavis her
fancy author name. And Okay, she's been on this pod
many times. I haven't had her on in a minute.
(01:03):
We were so long overdue. And if you're unfamiliar with her,
she is an exorcist and she has this amazing book.
We talk about it a little bit. But you know,
there's new listeners that maybe have not heard any conversations
with her. You can always go back in the feed
(01:26):
the past few years. You'll find her if you scroll
back or just you know, just just go for it.
Just keep listening and you'll get the idea. But she's amazing,
and me and many people I know have witnessed her
abilities and I'm here for it. She's just so cool.
(01:49):
She's so cool. Anyway, I think you're gonna enjoy this conversation, so,
you know, let's just get into it as I always.
You can see any of my live dates at roz
Hernandez tour dot com. Okay, here's my conversation with our
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H Stavis. On with the show. I am joined by
my sister in Bangs. That's true Sister of Darkness, which
is the name of her book. Our H Staves, also
(02:34):
known as Rachel. Yes to you, Hi, Hi, how are you.
I'm good, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I missed you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh my god, I know I missed you too. We
have not been having a whole lot of people that
know what they're talking about on the show. We've just
been having a lot of just silly sally's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You can have both.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I know, I like to work. I like to work
in a more expert level person here and there.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And you've been on this podcast at least three times.
I would say, I think this is the third. This
is the third, I think so. And then maybe you
did a live show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I did a live show with you, okay for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, so there might be people that are new to
you on this podcast at least. So maybe we should
go back to like our age Davis one, oh one,
because you're a situation.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm a situationship.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're a situation Well, first of all, the easiest way
for people to learn is just to read your book.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Sure, yes, So I had a memoir come out with
HarperCollins a minute ago called Sister of Darkness, and it
is about how I became an exorcist.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It is so good. It's like I remember reading it
and like not putting it down. So I've talked to
so many people.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That have read it and appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You are definitely one of those kinds of people that,
to me and my skeptical brain, I'd be like, oh,
here we go, just hearing the concept of oh, this
person that can see demons and exercise them. But then
the more you like hear your story and hear how
you describe all of this and then see it firsthand,
(04:28):
it's like, wait, there's something here.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I know. I've scared a lot of people who are
like very skeptical.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Because I can see that that's the best.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, yeah, I'm not sad about it, but you know,
like I obviously I work on a lot of people
here in Hollywood, you know, people in the industry and
people who are very skeptical about paranormal anything, you know, right,
and they've come in for sessions because of one thing
or another, because sometimes you know, it's not necessarily like
I'm possessed. It's like, you know, I'm blocked. I haven't
(05:00):
had a job in a while, or relationship things or
even conception. Like I've helped people conceive, so you know,
they'll come in and they'll be very skeptical about what
might happen or how it's going to change anything. But
you know, people try stuff so they're like okay, and
then they're like, holy shit, I don't know what happened,
but my whole life changed afterwards.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I mean, it doesn't hurt no, Like why not just
like go for it, just try to do it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Just let me do it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Why you help people conceive? Yes, now, how does that work?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's the same. Honestly, it's the same thing, because you know,
sometimes when people are having conception issues, it can be
spirit related. It's obviously not always, you know, there are
some medical things that go and are involved in that.
But sometimes I'll get clients who are like everything's fine,
Like nobody can explain why this isn't happening. And sometimes
(05:51):
it's connected to old trauma. Sometimes we're mentally trying to
block something we don't even know we're blocking. You know,
when you want something so bad but like a part
of you is kind of repelling it, a bit that
can go on inside the body energetically. So we have
to clear all of the old trauma, we have to
clear any attachment, if there is any attachment, and then
(06:12):
you know, it sort of happens after that. And so
I've had I mean, I don't even know probably if
I had to guess, well over fifty people who've conceived.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Have any of them named their baby after you?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't ask, but yes, better. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you're the exercist to the stars. You. I don't
know how many people are on record about it, but
I can say you've released a deep bit from my body.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I believe I had just like a cute, like petite demon.
I had like just like a really demure, little little
less stinker in there.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Exactly, and you got it out and it made a difference.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean, at least what you did to me is like,
first of all, so relaxing.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Not for everyone, oh okay, for me. I was like
that was great, Yeah for you, it was.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had to smoke a cigarette after.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, hello, why are you flirting with me so hard
to getting aggressive?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm sorry, So first you talk to the person.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yes, absolutely, because most of the time. It's getting different now,
but back in the day, I would be a last
resort for a lot of people. Right, They've tried all
of these other things and they're like, none of this worked.
So when they come to me, they're scared, usually because
they're an exorcist and they don't know what to expect.
(07:48):
Some people are very into it, like all my vampires
are fine with it, like they could like you like,
like my people are like, yes, this is yes, I'm here,
but you know, other people are not. Because I don't
just get those kinds of people in the spirit room.
I get people who are really scared of things, you know,
and have a healthy, you know, fear of everything that
(08:08):
I do. So I like to talk to them first
and just kind of well for two reasons. The first
reason is I hear better from people's spirit guides when
they tell me something, they talk over them interesting. So
I don't know why that is. I don't really have
a reason. I think It has to do with the
fact that people people come to me and they speak
(08:31):
because I ask, like, what are you doing here, why
are you here? What do you want? And they start
telling me what I call branches, but I deal in roots,
not branches. So in other words, they'll say, well, I'm
here because I have addiction issues, I'm here because I'm stuck.
I'm here because my relationship ended and I don't know
where to go from here or whatever. Like these are
(08:52):
just very common things, and for me, I'm hearing from
their spirit guides, like, we need to talk about that
thing that happened to him when he was and we
make this exactly so I'll let people speak and then
I won't contradict them, but I'll be like, and also,
we should talk about this, you know, So we kind
of get into it a little bit, and then I explain,
(09:15):
here's what you're going to experience, here's what you're going
to feel in your body. I have to touch you,
which I feel weird saying to people, but I'm like
cause I also have them close their eyes a lot
because things come up and I want them to catch it,
you know, memories, thoughts, ideas, like things that are connected
to the experience that we're pulling out. So I have
(09:37):
to tell them, like I have to put my hands
on you in order to pull these things out of
the body.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So I always feel awkward about that, but everyone's always like, no,
that's fine. So I'm like, okay, cool. Well, and then
we go through the motions of pulling those entities, attachments,
old traumas, all that energy that's stuck out of the body.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And it's like, what do you say? Multi? Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So I'm considered non denominational, right, but I consider myself
more multi denominational because I'll work on everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
With everyone, I feel like what I remember is you
summoning all the people that are going to take care
of the demons.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's correct? Yes, And somebody, this is so random. I'm
so sorry. Yesterday I had a follower send some kind
of email that was like, Hey, did you know there's
like this weird catholic YouTube about you?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh, tell me everything.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I didn't watch it because like, I can't. I can't,
like I can never watch a YouTube of anything anything
related to me anyway. But it was so funny because
it was like the title was like something like this
extorsist uses demons to take demons out. Oh, because they
(11:01):
just don't acknowledge that there are high beings that are
not Catholic or Christian, right, so now everything else is
a demonic of course. So I'm like, okay, I'm not
watching an hour and a half of someone explaining why,
you know, like, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I can't because who are you bringing in?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It depends on the person.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so Arching Angel Michael.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, usually there's arch angels involved. There's other you know,
deities that I work with that I like, a lot
that are Egyptian, maybe some that are Dianic or you know,
but it's who I have a relationship with that I
work the best with. But at the same time, you know,
I do have a lot of people who come to
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me that have grown up in like religious cults or
cult survivors that have special feelings about certain high beings
of their own, like certain angels or certain you know,
how they feel about God or spirit or whatever. So
I try to keep that in mind when I work
on people as well, because I want them to feel comfortable.
I think, more than anything, you know, I understand that
(12:10):
people are coming to me for help, and that is
what I do and so I really just try to
keep their experience in mind. I can't control how it
feels for them, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. But
you know, if I can control everything else and make
them feel safe, I guess that's what I'm saying. You know,
it's creating safety for people in an unsafe idea.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Have you ever seen somebody like Levity.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
During an exorcism? Yeah, that's a great question God.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And now I'm like rolodexing, Well, what would what would
be your estimation for how many of these you've performed?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay, so this is going to make you ill? Are
you ready? So last year I had to figure that out.
So okay, I'm going to go back oways. Last year
I had some kind kind of get together for some
some spiritual thing and I think you were invited, but
you couldn't come because you were out of town. So
(13:08):
I had a bunch of people in my house. We
were doing something, and then I had my manager, Kaylie Marsh.
She was there and she never had seen the spirit room,
so she was like, can I come in look at
the Spirit Room? I was like yeah. So she comes
into the spirit room and she sees these books like
on the shelf and they're like handwritten, you know, like bullshit,
(13:29):
like I write myself. And she's like what is this?
And I was like, Oh, those are my case files
and she was like excuse me, what now? And I
was like, yeah, like I not everybody, certainly not everybody
and most people know, but like every now and again,
I get a case. I have a case that like
I want to remember in some way, like it was
(13:51):
the scariest to me, or there's something in it that
I need to remember for myself for next time, or
you know, sometimes they're really emotional for me, and so
I want to recall that, like I needed to have
that written down. And she was like how many of
these do you have? And I was like I don't know.
So I had to go in and actually count, like
how many clients have I had over the years versus
(14:15):
how many like specialty kind of movie style case files
are there. And it turns out I hit ten thousand
clients last year.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You counted all those like one by.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
One basically because I do keep records of that. And
I was like, oh my god, that's like where did
I even have time for this? What the hell? Like
do I sleep? I don't know, you know, and then
out of that the case files is maybe ten percent, you.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Know, and those are like those are the.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Maybe ten per probably less much less sectually.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
When what's the last one you've had that you put
in the oh my gosh, the last movie style, I.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Don't even know if I can say this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just don't say people's names or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, So I'm gonna say this because this will make
it harder for people to figure out who. Over the years,
I've had a lot of what you would call rock icons, yes, okay,
everything from like arena rockers, you know what I mean,
like hair band hair metal to like you know, nineties everything. Like,
(15:27):
I've seen a lot of musicians.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And those people. To me, anytime I've been around them,
I just sit there and I go, you have had
forty thousand people in the palm of your hand at once. Yes,
Like the power that is that comes out of a
person like that, right, Like it really is something.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yes, And over the years I have seen quite a
few of them, and many times when I do this,
one of the things that they like to do is
they're like, Hey, come to my show, right we're having
like we're on tour, We're gonna have an LA stop obviously,
you know, can you come to the show. So I'm like, sure,
(16:06):
I'll come, you know why not? So a couple of
these times the tour has lined up before the exorcism?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And for anyone that doesn't know you visually can see.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh yes, sorry I did not, I didn't I didn't
say that. Yes, I have been able to see entity
with my eyes since I was a child, and it's
just never gone away. So like you know, kids seeing
monsters under the better, monsters in the closet and then
parents come in and they're like there's nothing there. Like
for me, it never went away.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And so you can actually see like a a something
on somebody when they have it, and you have a
full scale. This is when I say you're a situation
because you have like a what do you call it?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
A Yeah, like a spectrum, Yes, a spectrum, a spectrum
of entity. Yeah, that are unique, but not because I
see the same species if you will, over and over
again quite frequently, very rarely to see something that doesn't
fit in that box, which has happened which I can
tell you about. Ooh yeah, totally totally different.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And the book really lays it out.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, it's everything, like, yeah, it's my whole experience basically.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But wait before we get to that one, the one
that was on me that you took out. Was it
like a cute like? Was it pretty?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay? So I don't know if you recall this, but
if I can share with your listeners.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Tell them everything.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm gonna tell you guys everything. It was what I
call a clive which is very scientific, you guys, because
I call it that because it looks like a Clive
Barker drawing to me. Yes, So it's like a little
it's smallest. It's the one that most people do pick
up just by having like any kind of trauma. Because
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that's another thing people should know is that possession attachment.
All of this has to do with trauma. So you know,
when we take a hit in our what I call
baseline frequency, for whatever reason, we can end up in
low frequency and that causes attachment. So this is an
easy attachment to get, but it acts like it's a
lot bigger than it is. So it exacerbates bad feelings.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So if you're angry, you have rage, you know, if
you're sad, depressed, that kind of thing. It's an amplifier,
and that's what you had. And they I guess they're
kind of cute.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But was mine like extra cute?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yours was very colorful. I love that as you are.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think you. I'm not mistaken. I think you gave
me one right before I left to do that reality show.
That's right. Yes, And you also gave me a tourmaline ring, yes,
which is one of my prize possessions. And I truly
believe that if I have it on, I'm like, nothing's
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fucking with me.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I remember those text messages.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I love it. I have it, and it's like very
sacred to me.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Good. I'm glad because that it really does help. I
know it's like very woo woo sounding to be like crystals,
but it does well.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But it's also like imbued in whatever you got. Yes,
that's true, So I do that. Oh speaking up, Wait,
what is this bog?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But I do have to hear about this rock.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I know we could just be on a tangent for hours.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's us.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's how we hang out, I know. Okay, So sometimes
going to the concerts what happened before the Exorcist up?
Just because of dates and timing, you know, and people
are busy and whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Now do their demons like also have like long hair
and space?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well, let me explain because you're gonna like this, and
I'm I'm I hope, I'm not outing anybody, like I
hate to do that. So how do I at this?
Many times when I see rock stars of all kinds, singers, guitarists, bassists, drummers,
doesn't really matter, they will come to me and they
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will say I know I have a demon, of course,
and I'll be like, okay, say more. So they're like, okay,
I've had this demon since I started. I think this
demon is what makes me creative. I'm really scared to
get rid of this demon.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I think this demons made me money, like the whole sting.
So I'm like okay, Like I have empathy for that.
Like I'm like okay. And it gets me every time
because they're always like it's Baphomet. Oh classic classic, yeah,
very classic, And I'm like, why do you think that?
And they're like, well, it showed itself to me. This
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is true. This has happened to numerous numerous times, really,
and so I try to explain to them, but i
don't want to burst that bubble, you know, like I
don't want to take that away. But I try to
explain to them, Okay, what you actually have attached to
you is what I call a trickster. And what a
trickster does is it creates a symbiotic relationship with a
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toast that's you. Right, So how it works is it
will pull something from your mind that you want, sure,
and it will replicate that for you. That's not really
what it is or what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But it's pulling, so they think that's what it is,
and I'm just like, okay, but the reality is like
this demon isn't you know, going from guy to guy
to guy. Come on, who has the time? Who has
the time? So no, you know, it's not that. And
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sometimes they're like, okay, that makes sense to me. Cool,
let's do this. Obviously, sometimes people are like, don't touch me,
so you know, it's up to them. But when I
see their concerts before I have a chance to take
it out is the most crazy time. So normally when
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I'm invited to these concerts, they'll put me in a
really nice area, so it's some kind of VIP area. Right,
because they're giving you like the treatment. So I'm in
a VIP area and oftentimes those VIP areas are towards
the front right, like close to the stage, and this
has happened numerous times now and it's crazy to watch,
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Like even I'm like what this nut? So I'll be
in the VIP section. I don't know how much the
VIP sections actually cost, but these are big bands, you know,
so I'm guessing they're expensive. Oh I'm sure, you know,
like good a lot because it's also like backstage access, right,
So whatever that is at five ten thousand dollars, I
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don't know. So I'm there usually with their kind of
entourage of people, and then I'm watching the rest of
the VIPs and like watching the show. And then they
will play whatever that is. If it's someone who sings,
they'll start singing. If it's someone you know, whatever it
is that they do. When they start doing whatever they do,
the whole scene changes because the entity is still in play.
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This is again wild stuff because what ends up happening
almost all the time is a fight breaks out once
they start doing whatever it is that they do. So
I'm watching VIPs who paid maybe ten thousand dollars to
be there. Adult people, like, they're not twenty year olds,
you know what I mean, drunk twenty year olds. They're
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like adult, well dressed business people, right, starting to wail
on each other physically. Yes, wow, And it will stop
the minute that person.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Stops, once they stop playing.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes. So like, for example, if someone's like a soloist
of some kind, right and they have this whole big,
like guitar solo, that's when it'll start, and then as
soon as they're done, it'll stop, like it never happens.
Weird entity by So you're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That David Lee Roth's gone up there and started singing
and then a fight breaks.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I you know, I'm just saying, we don't know if
David Lee Roth let me touch him or not.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I'm just I'm just I'm just pulling a name out.
I'm not even she never said that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't out people who you don't.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's amazing, and really that's really cool because people should
trust their exorcises.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They definitely should. And I will say this too. The
only time I've ever really had to sign NDA's are
spaces makes sense?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh, like buildings that you go to.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yes, because if you have a casino, if you have
a cruise ship, if you have a ship, stop, they
had a demon on the cruise Ship's done planes?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
What?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What was wrong with the plane?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The ad demus?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Wait, going back to the rock star thing. Yes, do
you believe in the concept of like selling your soul
to the devil for success?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I mean not to say that people don't do weird
things right, or try to summon weird things get themselves
in trouble, you know, because I think there are people
who are very curious about the occult and are like,
it's no big deal, it's probably fake, and then do
something stupid. It's sure, so maybe try to do that,
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but it doesn't really work.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So like deals don't go down like that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's not quite that way. It's like, remember we've had
this conversation before. But like I guess for people who
have not heard this before, remember when I talked to
you about realm walkers. Walkers are what people consider I
think the devil and realm walkers are the most malignant
entity there is. They're the ones who I consider like
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movie style entity, right, So they're the ones that you
always see, you know, possessing this girl on a farm
right in the middle of nowhere because they lost their
faith or you know whatever. That's not how it works.
That rarely ever happens, because first of all, realm walkers
are very rare, and they have the ability to hold
buildings many people at once. Like anything that a lesser
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one can do, it can do.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Is this also like the influential people one.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yes, exactly, That's where I was going. So so realm walkers.
And this is just logical too. I think if you
really think about it, if they can do all this damage,
what are they going to do with this girl on
a farm just run through her family? That's pointless. What
they want are people who are world changers, you know,
people who can make great and powerful influence, because that's
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the whole typical good versus evil point, right, So they're
not going to go after that girl on a farm
unless we know that someday that's her job, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So, and they can see in the future like that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Time is just very different. But for deceased people as well,
just very different. It's just not it's like on a plane,
I don't know how to it's like a chessboard, like
they can see the moves, they can see it all.
It just is a different rate of time. Yeah, so
you know those and something else are usually the ones
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that hold spaces.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Do you think that, like there could be a rock
star that gets one of those because they have so
much influence.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's it? Okay for sure? So anyone who is of
a certain caliber that reaches x amount of people and
can influence X amount of people is a world changer.
I mean just thinking, sure, sure, you know to some degree,
like even you know, a YouTuber with like twenty million
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followers technically is a world changer.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right. Well, I'm a little bit bummed I didn't get
one of those.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well I know who to call. That's the good news. Okay,
what's in this box?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So Ross, is this haunted?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I know that you constantly and we have had arguments
about Annabelle. Say I say what I say still to
this day, No demon an Annabelle. I'm gonna get so
many dams. You love a haunted doll and you like
to debate. We've gone over many ebays. Is this doll haunted?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Is it non haunted?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Is my thing?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Stories about haunted doll everybody's like, I'm ina tell ros
about my haunted doll.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So I wanted to bring you something that I know
is haunted.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You're keeping it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, it's for you, No, trust me. Read the card first.
Well it actually it doesn't matter. You can. You can
look at it whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
But look, don't worry because I put it in look
Fort Knox.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Wait, so there's like an actual it's like a locker.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But don't lock it. You just open it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Is it gonna pop out it?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It's gonna pop out at you. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's a skull.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It's a skull.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's a black skull. For anyone that can't see. This
box is really cute. Oh it's a picky bang.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yes, I picked out that box for you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay, so who is this?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I guess you'll have to open the car.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Okay. Now here's the thing. I do not like haunt.
I don't want haunted up. I want to make fun
of them.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You're gonna like this one, I promise.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is it gonna make me famous? Okay? Your spirit? Ward
is Lois Lois Lois was a musical theater teacher in
high school in Texas. She died in nineteen eighty three
of a heart issue, but often jokes that her students
were the death of her. She was loud, charismatic, and
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well loved. She drank Arnold palmers and smoked filterless cigarettes.
She had an appreciation of looseight, furniture, love lucy. She
enjoyed singing, but no one else enjoyed her singing. Relatable.
Lois never married, but wants you to know that she
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was a quote strong man magnet.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Those were her words.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Lois chose you. She wants to protect you and your
home from negative energy. In exchange, please place her somewhere
nice and offer her some things she likes, including musicals, gossip, cigarettes,
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and gold. She is two stones, obsidian for protection and
grounding and labridite for spirit connection. Her message to you
is quote, there are bad days and good days, but
all days can be great if you stay true to
who you are, no matter what other people think. Oh
(31:26):
my god.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, so let me explain.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So that's not as scary.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
No no, no, no. So as you know, part of
my ability is to communicate with deceased people.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes, and I've seen you make many people cry.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yes, because you've been to seances of mine and we
say they're sciances. They're not seances really, they're platforming. So
you know, I will have a bunch of people. I
usually only do this for friends and family. Yeah, it's private,
you know, And we have a bunch of people, and
whoever's deceased relatives come in.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We just are like, hey, here's a message, and I
start saying the message, and then people are like, I
think that's for me, and then we would all it
down to whoever that's for, right. So I started to
get the idea because for myself, I have a lot
of crystal skulls. I love skulls. I do too, like
I mean, hello hello. Yes. I also just so you know,
(32:24):
for you, because I never wear color because again vampire
I wore for you. You can't see them, but these
skull butterflies that are pink.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Cute, pink skulls with butterfly wings. Yes, as ear rings
exactable for you. Those are super cute.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I thought you'd like them. I love them. But anyway,
so for me, whenever I've had large crystal skulls, because
of course I have large crystal skills that I take
with me on vacation. Don't ask, don't ask. I was
starting to channel in de ceaze people who wanted to
help be guides, like who wanted to be in the
room I worked on, people who wanted to help with things,
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who wanted to help me, you know that kind of thing.
And I just thought, I find this very comforting. Yeah,
I wonder if other people would like this, you know,
if I started doing this for others. So I did.
I started doing it for others, just at first, just friends,
and I just wanted to see how it came in.
And I would just sit there to channel with whatever
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that item was, and I would say, okay, like who
is this? Who is for this person? And I would
just start to get all the information and it got
really crazy because I would then give people like because
I've channeled this for people I don't know, or people's
friends or whatever, like my friend's friends, somebody else, and
I would get things like, you know this, this person
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died in whatever you know, nineteen eighty nine, I'm making
this up now, nineteen eighty nine, and was like a
movie theater manager. And then it would go to the
person and they would come back and they would be like,
oh my God, my dad was a movie theater manager,
so it's always correct. I never know who it is.
But these are spirits who want to come in and
help protect. They want a job. Oh interesting, Yeah, they
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want to be with you.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
They're unemployed, and they're like, I mean, honestly, my life
is fun. I would be a great for any unemployed
spirit exactly to be I'm not welcoming any unemployed spirit.
Well you have one, but I want Lois to know
that you really hit the jackpot over here, ladies.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I mean I think she knew because when I sat
down to channel for you, because I know you, I'm like,
who is going to be enough? Like who is going
to be big enough? And she was like I'm big enough.
I'm coming in.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes. I do love the thought of a teacher being
like be yourself.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, I think because like the impression I get from
everything that she gave me, because you know, when I channel,
it's like words, pictures, emotions. Oh the emotions are actually
like I want to punch people over the emotions. But
I can talk about that in a minute. But I
think she felt like she was constantly censored because she's
such a big personality. Oh interesting, you know, so people
(35:08):
were like, you're too big, right, yeah, And for me,
I'm in no such thing as too big, Like I'm
big enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Like, I think that's something that Loes might have said,
because you know, she is kind of a dick magnet.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Apparently, yeah she was, and I'm sure she said it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Wait can I take her out or no? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Does she have her own little blankie?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah? I put a little soft thing in there.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Is she don't bite me? No? Oh, just kidding, just kidding,
Oh my god. First of all, this is such a
nice crystal.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So you're saying that you had this crystal first, yes,
and then you put Lewis in here.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Well, it's not really in there. So this is so
funny because people always ask that too, are like are
they stuck in there? No, they're not stuck in there
and are not in there. It's just a grounded piece
that they're attached. It's so beautiful, it's really pretty. I
love that one.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
How is that you?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
She's not gonna tell you on camera.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Wait wait she's saying something.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh oh maybe she is.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Let's go get some man in cigarettes. Ah, babe, that
sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Honestly, that's what you've wanted your whole life long.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would love to be two single ladies, the two
of us. What if I just like take her with
me to the bar.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
You can and I have. I am the crazy woman
going back to that that takes skulls that are like
I'm not even kidding you, ra It's like, I have
one that's this big.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I'll pack a suitcase of skulls. This is not a joke.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
No, They're very heavy. So I will take them, especially
if i'm driving, Like I think you know, I like
to go up to the mineral hot springs.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
So I'll go up to my favorite mineral hot springs
to go away from people for a while, and I'll
pack a suitcase of skulls and I will bring them
and I will put them in the water with me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Lady, has she done a bath in the mineral health? Wow?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
She's all clean.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I love it. And plus it's like a pretty skull too,
like sometimes you want it, you want it one of
these skulls, and it's like whose bone structure was that?
This is a pretty skull, nice cheek bones. She looks
good set of teeth, nothing missing. No, it's beautiful. Well,
thank you. And I do want to make it very
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clear to people, this is not an invitation for you
to send me your haunted doll. This is coming from
a professional.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's true. It's true that.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I can call if I needed if Lois took a turn.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But you're pretty convinced that this is a good oh
spirits you see, and I trust you that you would
know the difference.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I absolutely know the difference because.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
To me, if some ghost was like, hey, I'm a ghost,
want to come play, and I'm like, oh wow, what
a nice person, and then like it turns out it's
like just.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Credit no no, I And you know I know the
difference because people send me their possessed items all the time,
right and cases I've had with particular items that I
keep at what I call diminished capacity so that they're
still in there but they don't get to move too
far out so I can study them.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Have you had them like try to escape?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, they're not. They don't have enough room for that technically,
but they complain like you can hear their voices. I've
done Okay, this is getting I'm gonna be as weird
as possible today. I've I've recorded them talking to each other. Stop,
I've recorded. I've put it on TikTok, like it's on there.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What I want to hear?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Where's the You can't hear it, but you can see
it's I put the captions on.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh, so you can tell what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I just wanted to see if they're gonna speak. And
I left the room. I just recorded them and put
captions on, right, okay, and just let it run for
like five minutes. And they had a whole conversation with
each other that I posted. And I also got them recently.
And this is where you're going to think, like, oh
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my god, this woman. I got them a theremon.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh, I love a theram Mayn.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I got them a Theremn. So I got them a Theremn.
I got them, you know, an amp and I have
yet to set it up, but I want them to
be able to make music.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh my god, that's beautiful. Yeah, maybe you can be
like their mamager. Get them get them going, get a career, go.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, make some money for me. God, we were just sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Here at the least. I mean, that's the thing with Annabelle.
She made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
She sure did, She's sure.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Lois. Listen up, lady, let's get let's get mama a
film contract.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Well, actually I have one with one of my unpublished
case files.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, Possession at Rosewood it's being made stop?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Wait what what what's the story? Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Thank you? Yeah, and Sister of Darkness side note is
also going through for television. Finally. That took a forever,
but it.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Is oh good.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah. So Possession at Rosewood was my scariest story to date.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Have I heard this one?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I don't know about the inn by eight times?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Would you be willing to change it to Possession at Roswood?
I mean, yes, okay, just one. It's not the name
of the place anyway. Okay, I can call it whatever
I want. Okay, So what was this real story?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
So? Okay. A few years back I did something I
don't know what. It was, some kind of interview somewhere,
and someone sent me an email and was like, hey,
I saw you on the thing. I have an inn
in a certain location. I don't like to say where,
because like I don't want to out anybody's anything because
people start looking. Yeah, you know, in a certain American
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location that has been around since the eighteen hundreds had
had a fire. You know, it sat around for a while,
nobody rebuilt it. I invested in it. I wanted to
bring it back to like its old glory, but like updated.
And he was saying that he had sunk a lot
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of money into it, like basically everything, and he had
a bunch of workers that no longer would work on
the property, and it was getting bad, Like there were accidents.
There was all kinds of stuff going on, people saying
they saw things. There was a situation where they started
putting Do you know what a spirit bottle tree is?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No? What's that?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Okay? So you've probably seen them though, especially in the South.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh, just a bunch of like bottles the.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Tree hanging from the tree. Yeah, that's to catch ghosts.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Oh really, maybe I need to do that just to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I mean, why not? It's also pretty Yeah, But anyway,
I guess the workers were doing that outside the property.
So he was like, this is a mess, Like I
need to get finished. So I was like, do you
believe there's something going on here? And he's like, it
doesn't really matter, like I just need, like we have
to open in three days, Like that's it. We have
to open in three days. We have to get this.
(42:27):
It's finished. So I hate saying this, but I think
it's true. At the time, I was cocky. I really
was cocky, you know, because I've been doing this a
long time. I'm pretty confident in my ability.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I want a cocky exercist.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Don't you. I mean he.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Wants an exorcist. That's like, I think we'll try.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that because I
have been told that I'm in my book, I'm arrogant,
and I'm just like, it's not arrogance, like you know me,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Angry even if you are, who cares?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But you know that's not even true.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, no, it's good. It's all like you are confident,
and I think people should be confident, yes, if they
can back it up.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
And so far, you know. So anyway, I was like, okay, yeah,
I'll take this gig and I'll go do it. So
I did, and it was in a very intense situation.
I thought what I was dealing with before I got
there was going to be a collector, and a collector
(43:27):
is what normally holds the space. So a collector likes
the space of mass trauma. Here was a fire, right,
it kind of pulls this thing in energetically. And if
the deceased people don't want to move forward, so there's
no such thing as deceased people being stuck. But there
are such thing as decease people being like, I don't
(43:49):
know what to do now. Okay, you know, I'm just
staying in the same place because they're traumatized. So a
collector will take a place that has high foot traffic,
keep deceased people in place, and use them like batteries
to scare the living so that it can feed off
living people. Okay, so does that make sense. I know
that's kind of a weird explanation.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
So when you go in to clear a collector, you
have to clear the batteries first. So you have to
have conversations, literal conversations with the deceased people and let
them know that it's safe to move on, and one
by one you release the deceased people and then expose
the entity.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
How did the deceased people get in this building.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Because of whatever fire?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
They died in the fire.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
There were a lot of people who died in the
fire way back when. OK So, I was like, oh,
this will be nothing, twenty four hours. I'll get this done.
I'll get there happy to decease people. They'll be happy
to see me, because they usually are. They're usually like, oh,
someone sees me and they can talk to me, and
oh I can go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
They're like, i've heard you on ghosting.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. And so I'm like, one and done.
I'll just get in there, get them all out, clean
it up. Yeah, yeah, no problem. That is not what
was there, not at all. So I get into this space.
I have three days. I stay in the space. That's
what happens, like you once you you know this once,
(45:13):
once I start an exorcism, I cannot stop the exorcism
because it will make things worse. And a few times
where people have challenged me to stop, they've called me crying,
being like I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
Get back here and finish it. But I don't argue
with people. I'm like, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So do you sleep or do you stay up this
whole time?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
It depends on how big the space is how many
times I have to go through the space, like no
stone unturned. You you can't just sit in a lobby
and be like it's gone, like you have to go
through everything. It's it processed. Yeah. So I was there
and I was in this space and it was very ornate,
(45:54):
like old mirrors, old like gramophone style thing like just
every thing was like, I think, very pretty, you know,
that's like my jam, but definitely didn't feel good in
the space at all. And I went into I don't
know how to put this, okay, So there was a
ballroom on the second floor, so there was how it
(46:17):
was set up was there was a stair, a landing
with a huge mirror, like giant, big heavy mirror, and
then another landing that kind of went into this ballroom,
this very big ballroom.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow. And this was a business or a house.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
A business an in an inn. And as soon as
I got there, the record started playing like the second
that I got there, and it was ain't misbehaving, That's
what it was playing over and over again. So I
would go, I would move, I would turn it off,
it would play again. I would go and then I'd
(46:51):
like it just kept playing. Whether it was anyway, just
kept playing.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
And this kind of stuff. This doesn't scare you.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Not at first, because these are what I consider parlor tricks.
This is like, you know, okay, you're playing like you
got my attention, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Are you kind of like not bad? But just wait,
I can take care of you.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yes, Like that's not the thing that's going to scare me.
Like I get that stuff a lot and I'm used
to it. So I was like, okay, you played a record. Cool.
So I go, I'm walking under the ballroom and I
see legs dancing.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But nobody just lag. Well.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The reason why I figured out later was because the
floor was moved. The original floor was pushed up, so
I was only seeing like half of them, right, because
they were in the same place.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's what that was, where the dance floor was that
they were used to ye, So.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
At some point they raised the ceiling. So I'm like, oh, okay, cool,
I'm going to go up there first because I'm sensing
the entity, but it's not showing itself to me at all.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Whose legs, like would you guess male? Female?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Both? Really they were people dancing, you know, like dressed
up people dancing. Uh huh, so I'm sensing the entity,
but it's skirting me, so it's watching me. I'm not
seeing it. So I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna give it space.
But in the meantime, I'm gonna go take out its batteries.
So I go upstairs and I walk into this what
(48:25):
felt like a massive ballroom, but this place is not
that big, but it just felt really cavernous. And I
see all of these people and I'm like, Okay, this
is gonna be fine. I'm just gonna go release them
one by one, tell them they don't have to be here,
it's cool, and can just.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Make an announcement. Listen up, everybody.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
I don't know. Maybe I've never done it. I've tried
to be like personal. I try to have a relationship.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Listen, I'm very busy here, I know. So if you
can all just one at a time, get the fuck
out exactly.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I mean, maybe I should start getting like a megaphone
and just being like ghosts.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's how I would do it, But for you, you
do it your way.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yes, that's my way. I try to be helpful. So
I'm like, you know, I get up there ready to
do the thing I do all the time, and there's
something wrong with them. There's something wrong with them. There's
some kind of look in their eyes that is like borg,
do you know what I mean, Like it's like hive mind.
Now I'm cautious because I'm like, this doesn't feel normal.
(49:33):
So I'm walking through very slowly. They're all watching me
like they've stopped dancing. They're all watching me, and it's
not a friendly feeling room. And then they circle me. No,
they did, absolutely did, and started talking to me. I
(49:54):
was like, what is going on here? Like I really
couldn't process this at all, so unusual, it's never happens,
since it never happened before. And then I realized what
was going on is that they were still possessed by
the entity, like mentally, like energetically, so they weren't themselves.
And that's when I realized, oh shit, this entity was
(50:16):
here during that fire, like before that even happened, maybe
caused it, maybe possess someone to start it, okay, And
it became a really scary endeavor for me because I
had to not clear the deceased people first, because they
were not going to go. They just weren't going to go,
(50:38):
so I had to go straight to the entity, and
in this particular case, this entity was specific to a location,
so it wasn't even something I was used to. It
was something totally different. It was something in which it
would change your reflection in the mirror, like it did
so many crazy things. And it was the only entity
ever that sly touched me. Yeah here you can see
(51:05):
it the scar on my hand, oh, which was like
a burn. It felt like a burn. And so I
didn't know exactly what I was going to do. And
at that point, you know, as a person, right, you're like,
I'm getting the fuck out of here, Like I'm not
doing this, Honestly, I almost did. It's like the one
(51:28):
time I almost left because I never do that. I
never do that because I am a person of integrity.
I like to think, and so when I say I'm
going to do something, I will see that through, especially
this kind of thing, because other people don't do it.
So what am I going to do? So I went
to the door and I was like, I know this
is going to be like my last chance to leave
(51:49):
before this shit just go. It's just gonna wail. And
I had my hand on the door and I remember
just thinking, well, fuck, like if I do leave, he's
going to open this place anyway, and then what happens
to all these people? Like I can't do that, So
I have to see it through. And so I stayed
(52:12):
and I figured it out and it you know, I
don't want to give away everything about it. Yes, obviously
I want people to go see it, but when it's
available to see. But it was traumatizing, really traumatizing. And
it's the one time where technically I released the entity,
but it is not destroyed.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Where is it?
Speaker 3 (52:32):
It's it's every now and again I see it. It's
like BRANCHI following me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Stop? Yeah, what do you think it's like? Do you
think it's waiting?
Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't really know what it wants because it really,
it's not going to be able to kill me. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's going to want a piece of that movie. That's
what it wants.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Maybe it just wants to be famous.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Just let me have casting approval who played me.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Maybe it's looking to direct.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Wait, how many people would you say when you're talking
about these.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Spirits, like how many were in there?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:10):
I didn't count them, but if I had to guess,
I would say it was probably like somewhere between fifty
and seventy five.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
And it was so much worse than I'm saying, Like
there were points where people were jumping out of windows,
like I would see it replay downstairs, that bodies would
come out like it was crazy. There was like a
worker in a coma at one point, like just a law.
It was so dark. And it went back to that
mirror on the landing.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Cause were they gateways?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Whoas? It was something like I can't remember the exact
story now because it's been a few years and I
haven't written down, but it was something like the original
owners or builders of this space, they brought this thing
over from Europe, this giant mirror, and they used it
for something, not that kind of something. It wasn't on
(54:02):
the ceiling also would have killed them, it was so heavy.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Okay, wait, this is good. We do have to wrap
it up.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
This is what happens. We could do this forever.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I love hearing all of it. You have to come back.
What what do I do with Lois?
Speaker 3 (54:19):
So you're just gonna put Lois somewhere and ice that
you like?
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Ice? No?
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Oh? I think you said put her somewhere on ice.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I mean you'd have to talk to her about that.
Maybe she does want ice.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Of course, you can put away okay, good, put her
somewhere nice where you know you see her and she
can like see the house, and then just you know,
put out offerings for her, like she likes like cigarettes
and gossip with her and stuff, and you know, listen,
it's a relationship. You have to nurture it.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Now, what if I don't, is she gonna turn leave?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
No? Yeah, they just leave if they feel like they're underappreciated.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, that's nice. This is so sweet. It's like I
I feel like you literally gave me like a pet.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah kind of right, but like an autonomous being.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I just want to make sure she.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Can take care of herself. She just likes things. Okay,
it's a relationship. You know, if you don't nurture relationship,
what happens? They leave?
Speaker 1 (55:17):
True? And she and I know what it's like to
be single. Ladies so exactly.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
And also, man, magnets.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I love her, thank you so much. They're is such
a beautiful crystal.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Anyway, Like I'm so glad you like her, and I
love who came in for you. I just think she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Good. Do I keep her in the box though?
Speaker 3 (55:40):
No, you don't have to. I just wanted to. I
always present them in a box, so I wanted to
get you a box that to me was you.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's such a cute box.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
It's really cute, and it's a bank. You can put
coins in it.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
You keep the box, No, you keep it. You can
give it to the next person.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
That box is specifically for you.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
No, I'm not. I love it. No, I love it
so much, I really do. Okay, I just feel so
guilty taking all of this.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
No, but also you can keep her in the box
and keep the door open if you want to.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Like a little house, I'm upsess she comes complete with
her own little like dire.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
That's a dream house. Yeah, she's asleep.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
She fell over. Do you think she moved on her own?
Or was that me?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You'll find out soon enough.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, So what do we need to tell people? What
do you got going on? What do you want? Okay?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Well, working on Possession at Rosewood. That will be a
feature film. We are working on that now. Oh good,
thank you, sister of darkness. We are finally making a
show based on the memoir. So I'm psyched about that.
That should be cool. And this is a weird side note.
Just this morning, I it looks like I'm going to
(56:59):
be working on sci fi project that I really want
to do, which is weird for me, Like I'm not
usually sci fi, but I'm kind of into it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Cool because that's the thing. Like, you are a writer,
you also have a history of working in like the
comic book world.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yes, I used to write comics and video games still
my Baracraft, Yep, Lara Croft, Transformers, something monstrous, like I've
worked with Marvel, like I've done a lot of I'm
a nerd, like I'm such an I'm I am like
I'm such a nerd, like I geek out over so
much ridiculous stuff. But yeah, that's my heart. My heart
is always comics and video games and still is. So
(57:36):
you know, every now and again, I'm like, maybe I
should write some more. I don't know, but yeah, yeah,
I love it and and I try to create story
now when I do write, to kind of be as
or even direct, like I've had a few chances to
direct now and it's just like I want it to
be that full color of full you know, what I mean, Like, Fashy.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
I'm excited to see like your expression of the way
you see the world, you know what I mean, Like
when it comes to Sister of Darkness being a TV show,
your book being a TV show, I'm so excited to
see your yeah interpretation of like the closest you can
show us to what it's like.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
True, And even with Rosewood, like what is that even
going to look like? It's going to be crazy because
I have to show you what an entity looks like
to me. And then how the next question becomes how
do you do that properly? You know, because there are
ways you could really mess that up and make it
look not as scary as it is. So it's like,
how do we make that actually terrifying?
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Well, listen, I have nice legs. Yes, I would love
to offer my legs for that opening scene.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
I mean, listen, don't start something you can't finish.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
I would love it so much if I could just
have my legs dancing around dancing for the scene where
you're walking up the stairs and you see legs.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
I would like that I can make that happen, just
so you know, Yay.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Okay, well thanks for doing this Thank you for Demon Lady.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
I'm so glad we got to hang out.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
And that's an episode. Thank you so much to the Exorcist,
the Exorcister, the Demon Lady, our h Davis. Wow, and
guess what now I got Lois. I'm happy about it. Okay,
(59:40):
could be way worse. And Lois's she's going to be
here in the exactly right studio. I think she's gonna
get a lot of gossip. I'm going to try to
get my hands on some cigarettes for her unfiltered, and
the gossip will be unfiltered, so at least I I
can promise her that. And uh maybe she'll be my
(01:00:03):
new co host. Who knows. So anyway, thank you Rachel,
and thank you for listening. I love you all, both
living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
haunt me, don't haunt me, hey By. This has been
(01:00:26):
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This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
(01:01:08):
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