This week, Reid and Dan host multi-hit songwriter and artist, Ernest, out in God's Country for a BrothERN episode. The episode starts with Ernest making a special announcement about his political future and diving in on what he'd change about Nashville if he were to be elected. He takes a deep dive into why Maine Coon cats are superior animals, how he became connected to Post Malone, and gives the best Mitchell Tenpenny impersonation we've ever heard. The guys talk about what it is like being away from family when the job calls, and Ernest talks about his recent sabbatical from music to enjoy a summer break with his wife and son. The episode ends with a Gravorite that Willie Nelson himself would even approve of.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're off in God's Country with Reed and Dan also
noticed the Brother's Hunt, where we take a weekly drive
to the intersection of country music and the great outdoors,
two things that go together like Tammy Wynett and George Joan.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Or Venison Chili and Friday Night Football. Brought to you
by Meat Eater and My Heart Podcasts, Bro New.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Studio, New Digsking it here, Man, it felt good. A
lot of animals just just like you know, going, hey, man,
keep going.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You're doing great down there?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Is that what they're saying?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
To me, it's just a straight up encouragement.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
This thing just sets it off for me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I mean, I'm good to see it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Funny fact all of that stuff was in my dad's
backyard and we put it together an hour, no doubt shot.
Ernest was on today Bro. So much fun that dude's awesome.
Man came in looking like looking like the mayor.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I hope he runs.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I did too, Man, Ernest, you got mine, that'd be
that'd be super cool. We tell a lot of funny stories.
Uh Me and ernestkill way back that he didn't even
know about. Dan and ernestkill way Back he's a nash villain,
you know, lived here his whole life, and uh doing
some great things in country music man kind of kind
of kind of widening the trail. I would say, you're
(01:22):
also doing some great things for Nashville. He talks about
his benefit for the food Bank and uh, just an
all around great guy, great podcast, well spoken.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Go follow us on the Gram, Go follow us on Facebook,
Go follow us on YouTube. Is there anything else? Is
there anything else on TikTok? Follow us on because we're
always on there, dude. We love to love it. The
Brotherren's Hunt. If it looks a little different, if the
(01:56):
scene looks a little different.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's because it's totally it's totally different.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
This is the inaugural episode in this uh, in this building.
It kind of feels I was telling Dan, it kind
of feels like the first Like the first episode we
were like how many and thirty five thirty six in
now over and this is Yeah, this feels like a startover.
This feels like the first episode we ever did. Yeah,
it's awesome. And by the way, that's Reid's wife. I
(02:21):
don't know if yeah, I don't know if we cleared
that up. But maybe we should put that like on
the liner notes when we're because we do this over.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Here's some weird interactions there. That's what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay, there's something going on here. We have a couple
of kids together, you know, and we're brothers. Yeah, I
didn't know that, and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We got related to Jason. There's there's no better person
to Uh. He already knows the history of this building.
He came in screaming it when he was walking up
the stairs. Yeah, Jones, this is Jones. Is Jones and
Tammy Wine up building.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Huh. This is the Jones's history here, some history here. Yeah, dude,
when I was walking up the stair, was like, no way.
I wrote here years ago and I thought it was
so cool, Like George Jones looked out this window. Yeah,
these floors have not been updated since. Have not pacing
them smoking cigarettes and checking out side for cops.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We've got uh, we've got some dead animals on.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The wall now, thank God man and all this stuff.
We also have a two time a c M Award nominee,
two time c M a Triple Play Award winner, which
means you've written three number one songs in a calendar
year twice twice, yeah, two times.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Uh man.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Some of the songs cowgirls, I had some help you
prove one of my hometown, big big plan, son of
a center. We got big earnest on the cow or not.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm old. Our old place had col Maybe.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Today we should be the brothers hunt.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Slipping. That's great.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was thinking maybe you should have told us before
we started, so we started real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I hate cowgirls.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I hate them cross Due me too. And the reason
is because my child.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
We can't stopped. I mean it is literally, it's worse.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's worse than like candy before bedtime due. If we
get in the vehicle, Hey, Daddy to play Towers Daddy,
I'm like, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That dudeas like one saying it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's both of my kids, That's what I'm saying. I
think I think Liza like heard it, and my four
year old and loved it. And my two year old
was in the car all the time, and so now
he knows that it's Tower Girls. It's so crazy to me, man,
because I'm like, hey, you know, my buddy wrote this song,
like daddy, come on dad, he did, Like I know
(04:52):
the guy.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Kids, I wrote all right, me and your dad go
way back, me and your uncle here further allegedly. Yeah,
you know we weren't. We weren't writing that song for
the kids. But I love love it. I love it, dude.
People people have said that before the kids, they're kids
like cowgirls. My son Ryman is obsessed with Why Dallas.
(05:14):
He sings white. He has this little ukulele and he'll
just sit there and strum it Why Dallas, and he's
he knows every word.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, man, I love there's some swing on that record.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Dude, we'll get not my podcast, bro, this is the
first you are by far, and we need probably need
to keep a stash you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You were by far the best dressed artist SLASH guests
that we have had bills. It looks like you're trying to, like, uh,
you know, project a little something, like you might be
running for something or something.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm not only running boys, I'm gonna win the spot
for mayor of Nashville, Tennessee. And the cool thing about
the mayor of Nashville, Tennessee, I'm the mayor of whatever
city I wind up in, you know, it's just my
home base is Nashville. So that's what we're doing. We're
legalizing country music. We're on the campaign trail. Uh and
by god, if I can't do it, no one can.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Really.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's a proper twenty twenty whatever. Yeah, twenty twenty till
whatever I died, dictator dude.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, that's sitting in there from it's been sitting there
all right.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We got a lot of stuff to get to. But first, what.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Man, just tell us what it is.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
What you're mad is it? In lost kids?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Mind?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Being your boss?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Man, all your names, Ken, just tell us what you mad.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You see what I'm mad at that?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I love that, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'll tell you what I'm mad at is uh.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Not being able to put your guitar. We're gonna have
to work that out.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'd say what I'm mad at is that yesterday I
did nothing to hurt my knee.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'm talking about regular old forty now, regular old.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Day kids down.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think what happened was we're in this We have
a tiny, little ranch style tiny and so we've moved
my two year old into my four year old's room
just for a little while. We're gonna build. But anyway,
so while they're in we're in there, we just had.
I got a three week old too. Oh my god,
three week old little boy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh you're in the trenchous sun. Been there.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They don't get you want my coffee?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Too?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Good?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm good right now. I'm a little little shot, but
it's all good. Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So what I do is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I go in there, we say our prayers, we do
the thing, and then they fall asleep, and I kind
of creep off the bed and then I slip into
my room, right so I think, but it's a little
it's like a little bed, so my legs kind of
hang up. So I think my leg was like just
kind of hanging getting old ship. I know, I know,
I think I fell as I woke up and I
(07:56):
was like, I heard my old man, my leg is
I heard my today?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah? Sleep, And so I got.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Up and then this morning, dude, I couldn't even hardly
get up downstairs. Man, I'm mad at what happens to
joints at the age of forty.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You should have seen what happened to the joint I
just smoked in.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They're getting they both are getting smelled.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Right at those joints.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Beautiful dude.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Man, I don't I honestly don't don't say you're not
mad enough. I mean I probably am, but I've forgotten
mad at anything.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's a privileged man, ladies, And it's about to get
hot again. I know we've already used that one.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Talked about eighteen things you were mad at on the
drive end today?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Tell me one the heat.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I got something that we can't talk about.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It sounds like traffic. N Yeah, heat and traffic.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That's what I'm mad at. You mad anything?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Arn, You don't have to be.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
You can be glad. I'm mad at a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, sure, or don't.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
This is a fat thing, belt buckles cutting into the gut?
Mad at that? Wasn't mad at that when I was
standing up walking in here?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Mad at it? Now you're just sitting down and that helps.
It helps. I'm big on taking the belt off while driving. Same.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, no, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
See this guy, what are you about to do? Oh?
Those are great?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
This is this is the big belt for me elastic.
But the husky belt spans still keeps them up.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's a belt that shrugs. It's like, whatever you want
to do to you, man, you want to go here
for you just adding an elastic band to totally.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
In a like slightly more dressed up way than wearing sweat.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, guys under two hundred don't wear those belts. Don't
And you're in the golf Pro shop, You're like, this
is nice, this is nice, this is nice. Doing this
thing stretches. There's no there's no like dotted line for
how how big it can be. It's just braided. So
it's like, you can fit this as long as it's
fit around your waist. We got a spot whatever, we
(10:17):
got it, one size.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We got it.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the opposites people that refuse to get
on a Zimpit can still wear.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A belt, Yeah, sure, exactly. Hey listen, sorry that belt
bump is cutting you. But it looks good on you.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
That's good, thank you, and looks for everything. I feel
like something else was upsetting me. Oh, pedestrians, pedestrians in
twelve South, we'll say twelve. I don't even go to
Broadway much. I'm sure it's brutal down there, but just
like on a Saturday, obviously you got crosswalks. That's one thing.
(10:51):
Cars should be mindful of crosswalks. But like people are
just texting with their cowboy hats and boots on six
six of you know, six tourists just mindlessly deciding I'm
going to take a left and across the street. Here.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It's like ducklings, dude, they like follow me.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I feel like society is kind of mind less at
this point.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well, it's because they're all, yeah, yeah, here, a lot
of that going, and then whatever happens out here is
just the extra.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
In the same vein we played a h we played
Chiefs down there on Broadway. I was sick a couple
of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That room, by the way, the I.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Haven't even been in there, and it looked all the videos.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's like the third and floor.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's like a small rendition of the Rhymen with them
stained glass and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Dude, it's so sick.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We're gonna do it to you. It's just go do
it with us.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's fun. Killer.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I would love that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But I'll tell you, man, the most interesting part of
that thing to me is that it's kind of like this,
except out there is uh Broadway, right in that Broadway.
You look at them, dude. I was just standing at
the window, just looking out the window like it is
downtown is insane, dude. Have you done it in a while?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I haven't been. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I mean, you know, after after you say downtown, everywhere
around here no harvest.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Last time I went out downtown is after the second
Harvest thing at the Rhyman I did and we went
to Uh we went to Luke's and yeah, it's nuts, dude.
I get claustrophobic, Like I trust me, I'd love to
pack a room out, but I want to be on
the stage. I get overwhelmed and shoulder and dude, speaking
of looking out on Broadway, this is crazy. So when
(12:28):
we did the Rhyman for my headline show in November, UH,
one of the Paul Franklin, we were cutting over here
at Oceanway during the day and he was like, hey,
tonight when you go, if you get over there today,
ask somebody about the upstairs upstairs. Have you heard about
the upstairs upstairs? How many people have? So I get there,
(12:51):
I like, upstairs upstairs, Yeah, upstairs upstairs, this is yeah, yeah, right, God,
we'll be right back. So what had happened was I
get there and I asked this dude about the upstairs
upstairs and he was like, yeah, we got times, like
three in the afternoon. He was like, come on. So
(13:12):
it's me and Chandler and Dallas David Center together and
we go on this little scavenger hunt.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We go.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Dallas had never heard of it. Chandler was with me
when Paul said it, but no, Dallas hadn't heard of it.
And so we go take the elevator to the third floor.
We go through like a service room, and then take
a ladder. Pop open. So it's the attic of the rhymen.
It's all infrastructure and you can see through the little
(13:43):
lightholes down ninety feet to the stage. You're walking around,
there's old boards from the original structure laying around. All
the brick on the inside is original brick from the structure.
And then I go over to the Broadway side. I'm
in the I'm in the I'm in the roof of
the Ryemen. I pop up in this little hatch of
(14:05):
the roof. Yeah, and I'm looking down on Broadway. I
obviously smoke a joint and I'm just like, I mean,
I I'm a country music history like. I love that
we're in George Jones Building.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I love It's the reason we got this room is
because you were coming perfect.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I love it, and I'll expect that kind of treatment
from But so I'm I'm like geeking out, nerding out
about this stuff up here, like touching the wall and
being like, oh my god, like the what these bricks
have heard, you know, like all the way from the
sermons to you know, iconic moments and music. Well, next
(14:45):
to the little hatch where I was looking out, there's
a hole in the wall. And in that hole we're
like three or four loose bricks.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Don't tell me you did it?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, Well, we each got a brick from the rhymen
and it's covered in to it from when it caught fire.
So it's a jet black brick. I got it in
my office and it's in i mean otherwise mint condition,
other than covered in suet, and it's been sitting there
and the.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Wall sneak it or like, hey, can I get this brick?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I just told the dude. I was like, we're gonna
take these bricks. We didn't take him out. You try
to stop me if he was like, I don't even
know if he's still working. He was like probably twenty
one years old. I don't know if he ever, but uh,
I told the rhym And Staff that months later, I
was doing something there. I was like, you know, you know,
I got a brick in his mother right, But dude,
I mean, if you hold it, your hand is just
completely black. But I'll give it to my son one day.
(15:36):
And I don't know how many people have that, Like
I've always wanted like a pew or something or it's.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Even kind of cool, alert though, because like nobody else,
nobody has a brick. Nobody probably they probably some pews
out there from ten Penny.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
His grandmother, Donna Hilly, obviously Queen of Music, Row got
gifted a bunch of cool stuff throughout her and I
grew up with Mitchell, so like I was always at
their house. The hang was always at his grandmother's and uh,
she had a pew from the original Rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, it's pretty cool that the kid happens to be
named after it as well.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Totally ironic. I didn't even put two together, like, oh
my god, you.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Grabbed that b and you were like, I got to
name my kid.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I renamed it at two years old. Hey, actually.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Black bricky Okay, Uh yeah, speaking speaking of Tenpenny. Uh,
you guys kind of like we're in like I try
to do a little duo.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Right. We teetered with the idea Keith and Mitchell. Dude,
nobody wanted to sing.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Back up I wrote with y'all for that record.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Man, Oh my god, which song did we write?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I have no clue. In the basement, in the basement
at at at his grandmother's house, probably, so we had
the studio that is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The that is where I spent most of my high
school nights. And that pew we sat on. Oh yeah,
that pew in the room. And there was a big
flag above que which we can't show, but it was.
It was the flag flag there. It was the flag
from the original Gone with the Wind that was gifted
to Donna Hilly, signed by the whole cast and the
(17:20):
President in the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, it's like in a frame. President. Yeah, how did
he get on there? She had, dude, like she was
friends with uh George Bush?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Like, oh she had he said that. Mitchell said that, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Donna Hillett had all kinds of friends. But that's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That would have been that was there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That was what year that It would have been twenty thirteen,
thirteen four, so a little bit like ten eleven years ago. Yeah,
we had we had Mitchell on the podcast, and so
me and Mitchell took a songwriting class together. That's where
we met an MTSU and we wrote. We wrote some songs.
I was living on a house.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Boat and Percy Preece remember that. We wrote some.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Songs and then he was like, hey, man, I'm trying
to do this duo thing with my buddy.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, come right and write some tunes with us.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
So the Warren Brothers who I'm writing with after this
is who? So the donna Mitchell's grandmother signed the Warren
Brothers to their first pub deal back in the day.
If you don't know the Warren Brothers, if you're listening,
they've written tons of legendary hits, Red Solo, Cup, you know.
And they're hilarious most Yeah, they're hilarious. So when I
(18:23):
was getting ready to sign my first pub deal, Sony
ATV was the only one I even knew existed by
proximity of the house always having Sony ATV stuff in it,
and knowing that Mitchell's grandmother was the was the president
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Was his mom working there at the time too?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yep, yeah, she was working doing the same doing the
same thing, keeping books and stuff, and so I took
the meet Warren Brothers took me in for a meeting
with Sony ATV and then w Warner Chapel and I
went Sony ATV just because it was all in the family.
But I was like, I can't do this pub deal
at Sony ATV without Mitchell, you know, like and Mitchell
(19:05):
is never the type to use his grandmother's name or
clout to get anywhere. But yeah, so it was it happened,
bang bang, Warren brothers want to bring it. I was like,
let's do this, and then just me and Mitchell were
just tag teaming all of our rights together, like we
the Warren Brothers do that, and we just kind of
you got me, you got Mitchell, you got Mitchell, you
(19:25):
got me, and you know, it just so happened, and
a lot of our demos turned out both of us singing.
There was never any there's no structure or plan ever
to us being a duo. It was just we wrote
probably one hundred and fifty songs together. And you know,
like when I started making music fourth fifth grade. I
met raf Tenpenny in fifth grade and Mitchell was in
(19:48):
the eighth grade. So his freshman year he turned sixteen,
and he'd be driving us around. Everything he was listening
to is what we were listening to. So like my
early music, DNA from under Oath to John mayor Craig David,
that's all. Mitchell would say the same three and we
did it. We covered a Craig David song with a
seven days. I didn't have to watch. I know I'm
(20:12):
gonna do Craig David as Mitchell, which is the way
I knew it. Mitchell tenpenny.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Everybody h.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
On my way to see my friends did a couple
of blues away from me. I don't home through the subway,
must have been about a quarter. Passed in front of bank,
stood up beautiful honey with the beautiful body.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
She used me for the time. I see the course
of the name said number band. You know why she said?
Did she declined?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Did is she mine? I don't think so? Uh wasn't
she dance?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It was twenty four?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
When did he see she?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
He couldn't wait, huh to let me up? Day?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
She says she wanted to fronde foul Son. And then
we stopped at the Bottle of Moe for Monday took
a full at chan on Tuesday.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
We were making love by Wednesday, on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, on.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Sunday, I left it. But yo, But so all of
that is that's a pressed do you do in press?
Like didn't he I can do? I can do. I
tried singing like Mitchell before, I tried singing like anybody else,
and I was That's what I was saying, like the
I didn't you know, I wouldn't show my music to
nobody that besides whoever came over to the grandmother's house,
(21:43):
and that was what was the pro tools session. And
so a lot of times whatever I left on pro
tools as from seventh grade the senior year, was knowing
that Mitchell would be the next one to hear it.
So I was always trying to impress Mitchell being the
older kid, uh early like I would I would say
pre puberty, but I hit puberty in like third grade,
so for other kids my age hit puberty. I was
(22:06):
trying to impress Mitchell and now shaving, Yeah, I was shaving, dude.
I was shaving, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You're a nash villain. You've you've been here your whole life.
If you were actually voted in maybe have Nashville, Tennessee.
All right, what would be the what would you change
about your city?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Uh? Okay, So I would start with locals get free parking.
Like when I say local, I mean like you have
a if you were born in Nashville, Tennessee. You it's
a sticker. It's just like Florida has your fast past.
If you've lived here for fifteen years pro rated, you know,
five years. I think I think you should be rewarded
for living in this city and staying put and going
(22:52):
downtown and parking in parking lotch you grew up parking
in Now you got to pay twenty five bucks is
not a reward. I understand you gotta make money, but
there's enough tourism here and everything. I think you should
reward you should. That's part of you know, why we
don't go down to Broadway is because it's like to
go pay forty bucks to go spend four hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Brother, That's exactly what I was thinking. I didn't figure
we'd have anybody at the show we played because I'm like,
these jokers gotta pay seventy dollars to get in, to
even get to the door, and then there's people throwing
up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I'll tell you the thing that got I should
pay you seventy dollars if you go down town to Yeah,
you should get paid seventy dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
To go down that's a good run. Yeah, this is
great ticket scary.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So my point is that it's tough for me to
see anybody wanting to spend forty to seventy bucks basically
two park to get into a place. The thing that
blew my mind is it was midsummer when we played.
There are literal end Look, man, I don't think I'm
like old Dad yet, Dude, I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Feel old Dad, right.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But I literally saw okay, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Some okay guys three tears of a c l and
hearing a Natali What happened? Guys walking like Forest Gump
for the rest of thetairs. Dude, it's no strap anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This girl trying to get in the in the thing
because the windows right over the door, and she literally
literally all she had on was like a skirt that's
shorter than my shorts and a red bikini top with
a leather jacket. Like that's it, dude, A literal bathing
suit top, short, leather jacket.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know, I'm jealous. I'm jealous of the options girls
get to it. Like, imagine if it wasn't drag, but
a guy off our statue could just pull up in
a skirt and a little crop. This is the least
I could wear. You don't like it, don't look. There's
a tire world so far of you and me just
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wowed up dressing slutty at a country show.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I don't even know what that well, I'll tell you
what it looks like. What her boyfriend or whoever was
with it with her at all, which was a white
T shirt that looked like a veloscal raptor had just
ripped across the chest and his knit was just.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He shops at Buckle. It was like.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's still around for that guy. Yeah, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's in the Green Hills mall.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, but hadn't been there in a while either.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, it's too close. Yeah I lived in four Hills,
but I mean it's still the closer mall than going
to Cool Springs. So you bought a place though. Yeah,
it's like a city farm. It's like five and a
half acres. It's not a city farm. On the west
side of Franklin. Yeah, I love. It's got a creek,
it's got a barn. The lady's got seven goats, I
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think nine chickens. We got two dogs, three cats. We
got three cats. We kind of have four cats, but
I never see Harry. We have a barn cat who
just eats his food and dips. I've seen him once. Uh.
Two are indoor. Their main coons, which are super fire.
I didn't know they existed. I've never been a cat guy.
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That's like the leg main like the place. And then
coon like the dog. Yes, really yeah, the dog.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You like a raccoon coon?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh, coonhound? I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I got and I said, gets in your trash dolls.
So a main coon. And they get up to like
thirty five pounds. They're big cats. I'm not not a
cat I tell you what I've I'm not a cat guy.
I would have always said that until these cats. And
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Delaney was never Delanny was always allergic to cats. And
then one of her friends like had one that needed
a home or whatever, and that's her spot, and we
fell in love with the cat. And what I like
about a cat is that it doesn't go bonkers when
somebody knocks on our door or comes inside. If anything,
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You're like, the cat's nowhere to be seen, you know
what I mean? Whereas I have two Australian shepherds that
just lose their mind for twelve minutes at the top
of their lungs anytime anything happens that isn't me.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So yes, same cat, guy, I need a picture of
a man coon jumps. I gotta see what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Their fire looking big, fluffy like that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh that's bobcattish, Yeah, kind of kind of looking. Oh
that's links sure, man, I might be scared of that thing,
so you know your.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Kid, No, they're they're the sweetest. They're just cuddle bugs.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That looks terrifying, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They're not. That one looks more terrifying than ours.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That one look terrif thirty five pounds is a big cat, though, Dude,
that's bigger than most bobcats. Honestly, I mean I've never
killed or never shot a wildcat that was over fifteen
pounds pound forty pounds bobcat.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Dude, Well that's what I'm saying that. Well, see if
they if they I know that they can get up
to that big right now, they're both like ten fifteen pounds,
but there neither of them are a year old.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
They don't go outside at all.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Uh No, they stay inside. So you you about that
farm loft, you feed goats, chickens.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Do you do the whole thing?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Leanney and Ryman do the farm chores every morning they go,
they take their walk chicken cooke awesome, water worms food,
get the eggs well like you like they got dried
up inch worms.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You feed the worms wait, Ryman, would you know, take
handfuls and scatter them in there and then they'll go
across water and hay for the goats.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah. Ryman he's three three and a half and does
the farm tree. He knows the farm chores.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's all pretty awesome for him.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
These guys a little dump truck. He'll put stuff in
the back right it like, and I'll follow him around
in the cowsak cool. It's kind of sick.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, that's pretty great.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
My wife wants all that stuff so bad, but I'm
just like, I have no time. I have no time
to mess with us.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
That's what it is. If she does it, it's gonna
it does take time. But that's that's what Delandy does.
She is literally a farmer. So you're like, you can
have this stuff. But she's got a eighty by forty
garden with like all kinds of half of its uh
veget like vegetables and stuff in the other half is
like wildflowers.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And that's so what do you what are you eating now?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
That garden peppers? Uh? What else? We use the basil
all the time. Born messed up this year too hot,
too hot, real drops still really corn corn wasn't good.
We had a deer get into some of stuff. I
mean she had a bunch of cabbages and cannle lope
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Guys can help you with those deer if you get
a little they start getting your gardenl too much.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Guys, I would love that. Can we just put like
a bear trap back there? No, I can not put
a bear trap back there. You put a deer trap.
But yeah, there's still a stand in one of my
trees there. But I don't think it'd have to be
bo Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Okay, you know there's actually a company, I can't remember
what it's called, like Bowbros. Or something, and you can
literally hire them to come hunt, which but you don't
even have to hire us doing it. You don't even
have to hire us business. And we'll give we'll we'll
give you half the mate off of that, dude ook
for you.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'd love that. Dude. You know what is the most
nostalgic thing I think about it? Anytime it starts being fall.
I smell it, I taste, I see it. It was a
Friday night football game at David Lipscomb. It was brisk,
it was probably fifty degrees. There's a there's a fire
pit going so like natural wood BURNI you can smell it.
Marching band is coming down the hill, okay, teams are
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walking the field doing kicking field goals all that. And
then Mark Muscolo was making he had venison chili and
he was making venison sliders on Hawaiian rolls and we
were eating that, getting ready to do. The sun is down, dude.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's a good day. Oh that's a good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I got in so much trouble before Friday night football game.
Uh calling one of four five the zone. They were
one of four to five. The zone was at they
do like you know, every Friday night, they pick a
different school and they were at Lipskin and we were
playing Stratford, and uh, we were supposed to beat Stratford.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And I was like, A I think I was a
freshman or sophomore. I think it was a sophomore his
tenpenny senior year. Yeah, so anyways, I was not going
to be playing. And I called one of four to
five the zone while like you know, we did. We
came down, had our team meeting break for three hours.
We got to be back in the field. During that break,
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I like probably went around smoked a joint with a
couple of the older kids, and uh, for the game,
I wasn't playing diet hand warmers a dip like I
was chilling. I was gonna have a good time. Chili
is waiting. I forgot listening to Mike Jones, right, So
I called one of four five the zone and I
(32:09):
was like, hey, I don't know why, dude, this is
the stupidest thing ever. I was like, yo, it's like
this is so's amos, David Lipscomb. I'd like to shout
out like Michael Sazio and like three or four of
the upper classmen. I was like, we're about to kick
some Strapford. But and dude, I didn't even didn't even
That's how little I thought back in the day. You
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think I don't think before I speak. Now, this was
so impulsive, not to not considering that the speakers for
the live show. We're down at the field, like all
the coaching staff, both teams, everybody that's going to the
game listening to Wonderful. Like one of the players called
Keith Smith calling talking before a game and so we
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getting there, Wait, is that dear chili chili on the
smells like we Coach Mac at halftime was like, Kiefer,
we were beating the crap out and he's Likefer, and
don't think the whole coaching staff didn't hear you call
talking a bunch of bull crap. What kind of idiot
are He was like, He's like, you're kicking off this
(33:15):
ass and you're kicking extra points. And boy, when I
tell you that they let come through, I was kicking
extra points and they just let him have it. I
got three blocked in my face. Dude. Oh, I don't
know what made me think of that chill made but yeah,
rest in peace, Coach Mac, Rest in peace. David Lipstrom
High School.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, does everybody have a coach Max, I mean I
had a coach man, so everybody had.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Dan's got some mean dear chili.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, if you if.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You want to make your own dear chili, I can.
I got tons of venison, you know I would love him? Serious?
Yeah we uh I cooked them yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Actually football dude, football on back porch, fire deer chill
were almost there. The morning started to like it.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I feel like we've got these next like like week
from hell, like some of the hottest temperatures of the
summer coming, and then it gets in, rain season comes
and then we got we're there.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Football duds already changed. It's been such a dry summer. Yeah,
leaves are starting to look like fall.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, they're falling, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We sound like a bunch of old dads.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
We are what are alright? So not an oldest you
just let's go back to you. Are you thirty two?
Are we the same? What? I just kidding? Have an
ingrown hair on my stomach. That's why I wore pants.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I got them all over my legs.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeahs socks. So you you started, you started.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Your journey with with Sony and Mitchell doing that whole thing.
You kind of went went off the country.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Music path a little bit. Yes, where what what?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
What in your brain took you to the place where
you referred your to yourself as.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Snow Oh well, that would be uh a combination of things.
One being as I was saying the stuff I was
just listening to all growing up, rap was in the
mix always, and I was always able to freestyle rap
like I freestyle the songs I write today, I'm just
not there's melody that I.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Know I'm doing that. When we wrote Tennessee Queen, I
remember you getting I remember you just like saying rappy
things through the day. Yeah, And I couldn't tell if
you were joking because we had written yeah yeah, And
I was like, And then as it would when like
as the day progressed, I was like, oh, this is
like a strategic tactic of his to get words to
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rhyme with things and maybe even pull something that's out
of the movements.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And dude, I thought it was. I thought it was great.
Thank you. But that's accidentally my process and so like,
and it all came from just lunch table freestyle rapping
and frying up kids on my summer baseball team in
the day. Yet and so that was. You know, I
was always obviously writing country songs, signed to be a
country singer. But the song that got me my pub
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deal was me and an acoustic guitar rapping a song
called blacked Out, and I just sat down for Tom
Luther and played that. He was like, I don't know
what this is, but you'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
He's my point.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Now, Tom is amazing. Yeah, so he was like, I
don't know what we're gonna do with this, but come on, yeah,
come on. So you know what, there was a time
where I would have considered that a detour that wasted time,
but I think every moment I spent pursuing rap. Actually,
i'll tell you what came from it, me wanting to
be a rapper or even right hook right rap hooks
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for other artists. That time between like twenty fifteen and
twenty seventeen took me to LA where I made a
lot of cool relationships. I got to Fgo, brought me
in to write with DJ Mustard, which ended up just
be me and it was just me rap. Brian and
Tyler just sat back while I just rapped on DJ
Mustard tracks, you know, and the song was nothing ever
(36:57):
happened but like I was getting getting those rooms.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah. And where it all changed was I was at
on my second pub deal, which was UMG with Big Loud.
I was at the UMG studios in LA and I
got set up to write with Charlie Hansome and we
were making a rap. So in fact, I was like,
if you hear that song is called it was called
(37:20):
used to, And in my mind I knew that Charlie
had worked a bunch of posts, like in the go
Flex era of posts. So I was like freestyling post
Malone twenty seventeen post Malone type stuff over Charlie Hansen beat,
so it sounded like post stuff and the vocal chain
was all set up for that, and we hit it
off just on some bro shit. And I guess he
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had met Seth England prior in Atlanta at an FGL
show with Nelly, and so they had planned on writing
in Nashville, and I was like, Yo, you got to
come to Nashville. So he it all lined up to
where he was supposed to write with FGL on like
a Wednesday. He gets in town on a Sunday and
on Monday, I was like, Yo, you need to meet
Morgan Wallen. Morgan hadn't had anything yet, he had the
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way I talked. He had just dropped the way I
do too. But so me and Charlie had starting point too.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
It felt like that was.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
On a Monday night we wrote if I Know Me,
No Way? Yeah, the first time we got me and
Morgan had known each other obviously, but the first time
we got in with Charlie wrote to find know Me,
And then a few weeks later or maybe a few
months later, we wrote more than my Hometown. Uh, and
we're off to the raisin and me and Charlie have
done heartless and now he brought me back around for
all this post stuff. So had I not been pursuing rap,
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every everything would be different.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Wow. Wow, that's Beautiful's cool. Yeah, just to know that,
like what you said, they're really in this business and
and we try to let people know that they're they're
they're not really any wrong turns because it's so crazy
and there's so many different avenues.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
To music you don't have to spot them. Man, absolutely,
more than feels like.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
And I think that Charlie is a very instrumental part
in that being the case. Right now, just like the
way he's been able to sonically blend real rap production
with real country music, you know, as opposed like obviously
there it had been done. It's not like he was
the first one to put eight awaits in a country song,
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but it's the first time we got a rat producer
making country.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Song, right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean, like FG Yale brought in the and it worked.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Obviously, obviously we're a decade kicked the door.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Down, but then it almost it feels like Charlie and
Morgan and Big Loud and y'all cats Man kind of
took it to that, like authentic rap beat under country
lifestyle lyrics.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, and a lot of the a lot of the
melodies and stuff like when we were doing they like
wasted on You You Prove Heartless again, Like those those
melodies and moments are all pulling from my hip hop
bag in R and B back like Craig David, a
lot of my early stuff. It's like I have to
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force myself to put less words in a song because
of this that I listened to. It has so many
words in it, and that's been the fun puzzle is
Like obviously now I'm you know, way beyond knee deep
in country music. And the traditional sound, and I've always
loved it, but now I'm just obsessed. Isn't the word?
(40:27):
I am obsessed? But it's like my mission. I feel
like I've never I never felt purpose with any version
of where I was at creatively. I just was creating,
But like I feel purpose in where I'm at now
as an artist in continuing carrying a torch of guys
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like George Jones, Whalon Merle, Keith Whitley, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson.
That spirit will die if nobody else keeps it alive.
And Jamie Johnson talks about that too. It's like I
responsible ability as Stewart's uh, if we're going to be
country music singers, who's going to fill their shoes. I
don't have a voice like Jamie Johnson or George Jones,
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but I have I believe I have the storytelling ability
and the uh, the ear to go ahead, No, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
My bad doctors, please please interrupt me.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
But I feel like it is my responsibility to make
country music for what I'm gonna put my voice on. Obviously,
I have cowgirls and my background tracks for me to
I can make whatever I want and you can look
back over the last ten years. I'm not switching up
if I were to make a rap song today, But
I'm not switching up if I were to go sing
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Eastop loving or today tonight. You know, it's like and
there's a lot of artists like that right now. And
I think it's a beautiful thing across John's why the
door is open for posts to come in here so flawlessly.
He did it the right way.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
But I'll tell you, I think you don't cut yourself.
Don't cut yourself too short because.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
You you have a A.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's not weird, but it's out of pocket ability to
make all of those things feel authentic, if that makes sense. Like,
and I think it's because it genuinely is it. So
you're you're kind of got this jack of all trade
things going because I remember when we wrote, I was like, dude,
this is an R and B cat, Like, I know
everybody thinks he's like rapper or old country, you know style,
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but this is an R and B cat, Like he's
got some feel on love R and B.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I know you do, and and I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Just think it's it's a It's a beautiful thing to
look at when you look at your progression because it's
it hasn't like nothing really elevated over anything else. It
just all kind of came up together, you know what
I mean, all the sounds, and I mean all you
got to do.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Is listen to Nashville, Tennessee and you get.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Just it is a wide variety.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But but the cool thing about it is like you
didn't do half of it shuffle and then half of
it four eight away, Like you just you put a
list of however many songs on there and and you
don't know what you're gonna get next. And that's the
cool thing about it. And and like Dan said, it's
like nothing fills out of pocket in there, like like
it just feels like different creative moments.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
And it's all ran through, uh with I call it
the Opry filter, where it's like, okay, it's just it's
all the band. So even songs that maybe the demo
had eight to eight so on.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Oh, there's some serious licks. I mean, like guitar stuff
going on. It's serious. I don't know who that was, but.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Dude, I mean we had everything. We had Brent Mason
and Brian Sutton, Paul Franklin, Garry Franklin, Jimmy Lee Slows
and Jerry row fell Man. We did. We had a blast,
and uh that's that's the the way that album is
congruent is because of them, and any song on that
album we can go take it. I can tell the
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Opry Band we're gonna play that and it's gonna sound
like the record, and I think, I think that's I
love that, I love I love I love the Opry Band. Dude.
When the Opry Band gives me a nod after we
run through our little song before I go out there,
they're like, that's that's all I care about. They showed
they signed up to be in the Opery Band to
play country songs. So that's anytime I played the Grand
Operay and I've I've told people this before I'm playing
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country song. I'm not gonna play cowgirls at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'll tell my kids till they don't come.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Yeah, hey you know that guy. Yeah, I forget about
stupid ass at Grand Ole Opry. Dude, Okay, we're gonna
we're gonna keep Jones nice and still in his grave.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah. But there's a time and place for calgars, and
there's a time and place for fiddle and steel and
it's the grand Ole Opry for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Uh, this was a few months ago. I've written in
with with him a few times now. But I went
to Big Loud and and uh, I walked in and
was right with Thomas Archer and this artist and and
I kept on looking at him. And we were in Cadillac.
Is that what you call your You're part of there?
And I kept on looking at him. I was like, oh,
how I know him?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
But I know him? And uh.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And we were like probably thirty minutes an hour, and
I was like, dude, I've seen you before.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
Me.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I was like, where have I seen you before? He
was like TikTok And I was like, what do you
What do you mean TikTok? I was like you you
were singing? He was like yeah. He's like, you know
the video of the guy that the little guy slapping
the big guy's belly. He's like and then it rolled
up and I'm singing with my belly he slapped. I
was like, that's.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
What got his ass?
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Sign? Bro?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I said?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I said, I said how. I was like, what tell
me what happened from the video?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Goes?
Speaker 6 (45:37):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I was, he said, I just got a d M
from from Ernest and uh it said, It said, dude,
you low key cole bro he.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Said, next thing, I know, I'm writing songs that I
heard him singing. I was like, his voice is beautiful?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Though, How fun has that been? How fun has that
been for you too?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I mean, like because you've you've kind of you've kind
of gone through the whole musical spectrum. But now to
to have a place where you're getting to to go
fond talent and artists and writers. And I've written with
Reese and and and Cody and and those cats over there, man,
and it feels like y'all are having fun.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
But like, how how has that been for you?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
To kind of create that environment over there?
Speaker 4 (46:14):
That's probably one of my favorite things I'm doing right now. Like, uh,
I see that as like my my sunset plan of
like I want to empower talented people. And you know,
like like so many people have done for me on
my way up, Like and everybody can say the same,
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like there's always these people in your life that where
everything changes, and like, yeah, and I think that it
took chances. It took took chances on it. I'm the
luckiest guy on earth too. To be where I'm at,
to be in the position where I'm at, I've I've
pretty much grown up in Big Loud, and to now
be in partnership with them with it's Deville Records and
Cadillac Publishing, and you sign Chandler Walters Record Deal, Reese
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Ford Record Deal, Cody Loaden Record Deal. We got a
nice little roster. And and I know and I instill
into them that writing songs is most important because none
of this exists without songs. So take your time writing songs,
get cuts, stack of catalog, be selfless early on, and
then also go out and play shows. And this is
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a development play, which a lot of labels don't do
that now, like I'm we're going to develop them. It's
and they're in Chandler's twenty one. These guys are young one,
he's twenty. He's the oldest twenty one year old you've
ever Mett. He's doing great. He's an old soul. And
you know he likes writing with Roger and Dean. I
mean who doesn't, But like he, he doesn't want to
write what's new right now? Like he sent me three
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songs that sound like they were written in nineteen eighty two,
and I was like, hell, yes, you know, I love that.
And he's doing his Walter's Western Wednesday and booking shows
all over town. He's grinding and off to it, and
I just get to sit back like, yeah out brother, sure,
and I'm there in any way they need me. But
I think another thing that they're going to be learning, Guys,
(48:08):
if we haven't talked about this already, is nobody's gonna
do any like. I can't do any of it for you.
You know I can. I can put you in the room,
I can give you the deal and you have all
My connections are yours. But you got to go out
and grind it. And it's like having been on the
front end of that as an artist gives me such
(48:30):
a I loved my perspective from this side of the
table as a suit. Yeah, getting to coach yeah through experience, yep.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, grind it and find it.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Dude, got to grind it because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
There's it's like you were saying, there's there's no and
and and I'm doing the same thing you're doing on
a smaller scale, like signing some riders, and and I
say the same thing. I'm like, look, man, I can.
I can help you in certain areas, but like old
you have to you have to be the guy behind
the steering wheel, you know what I mean. I can
send you the map quest or what you know what
(49:06):
I mean, totally tell you how to get there a
little bit, but you got to drive. Man. Yes, And
I see so many unless I guess there should be
a lesson to people who are coming to town.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
That's what happened to us.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We had a I mean, Jonathan Singleton was one of
a catalysts for us to even get into this town
and understand what the business actually is, right and he
and he said the same thing to us. He's like, hey, man,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I can open doors, but you got to go in
the run. You gotta kick him down, and you gotta
kick him down, and dude, that takes years and years
and years and years. And I had a guy recently
that was that was just kind of like, man, I
don't know if I can, if I have the strength
to do this. And I said, if you're already asking
yourself that question, you're already out out. You're already out, dude,
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because it takes everything you have, or at least it.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Did for us. I mean I've failed, by all means
at least twenty times between signing my first pub down
now you have to I mean so many. I should quit,
I should give up this, you know, like those moments
and then not quitting because you know the classic mem
or inspirational poster of the guy digging and gold there's guys.
(50:17):
And that's also because it's like, but there might be something.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
But you know what though, once you once you overcome that,
can't tell you oh, yeah, because you did it. You
you are living on like and I say that we
and rechalking.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
You kind of know the formula to what gets you there.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Well at least what got you there.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So you're kind of going, I'm putting the shoes and
socks on my kid's feet from something that came out
of my brain.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
And when you when that happens and you realize, oh man,
this works and people like this and there's a market
for this and this is an actual product, that's when
it's just like, can't nobody tell you nothing, dude, because
you made it.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
You do it. This is taking nothing turning it into something,
and it might give you everything, yes, but it could
take everything, right, Yeah, don't you be writing a song
upstairs upstairs.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Sure that's strong, that's strong man.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, so what would be let's.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Because we talked about this too, if because this sounds
different now right, like yeah, I mean you came up
with we all had, like I said, different catalyst cornerstone
dues to help us get through here. But to a
guy that doesn't have anything, right, to a guy that
doesn't have any connections, what do you say to that
guy who busses in with a pocket full of songs
(51:41):
and goes, man, I want to write country songs for
a living.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
How do you tell what? What advice do you have
for that guy? I think you know engulfing yourself in
midtown and going, like I'm not saying, go to bars
to get hammered. Go hang out at the bars, get
to meet people, don't be don't don't overstep like, don't don't.
There's a fine line between wearing somebody out and then yeah,
(52:08):
be cool, chill, relax because you're gonna if you just
show up and stay around. And if you really, if
you really got the sauce. It the sauce is the
sauce you don't you know, there's no amount.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
Of you either got it.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
You either got it you don't. If you got it,
if you're doing these things, I believe if you engulf
yourself in the scene, you make a few friends that
you're writing songs with, meet people, don't make an ass
of yourself, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know, don't drink too much.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Don't drink too much, seriously, because don't don't drink too much.
And this town can chew up and spit you out
if you do, because then you're that guy. But but
if you if you're the worst writer in the room,
that's a great thing for the first little while, if
you can just sit there and learn and kind of
see and realize that you don't know everything. And then
I'm still talking to myself. There's there's rooms I'm in
(52:56):
whereas where I'm just like, hey, guy, you know, I'm
gonna get out of the way here, I think. But
but write a thousand songs. Don't don't say I've got
I've got twenty songs. I got to hit here. It's like,
write one hundred songs, right, just keep writing because you're
gonna get better. I listened to songs I wrote three
(53:17):
years ago, four years ago where I'm like, well that
wasn't that good, but it was. I couldn't wait to
get it. Songs that didn't get released that I was like,
we got to put this out, And now I'm like, oh,
thank god, I never put that out.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
That just goes to show. I mean, I'm thirty two
and there's kids moving in here, twenty three, twenty four
years old, and they feel like they're racing times. Like, bro,
take it easy. You got time if you can, if
you can understand, you got to pay the bills. But
you know, and I would also say, be weary now
if you want to be a musician. Broadway is a
good place to get in a band, because me and
my guys we'll go sit at Roberts I've and try
(53:50):
to pluck players for the road.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
Be be weary of wanting to be a singer and
getting stuck singing on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
You can just stuck down there, Yeah, muddy down there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
But writers around listening room, get in some rounds, meet
some people in rounds, go to rounds, listen to what
people are singing. That's what we did, bro, we were
we grinded out the tippler. Uh what was on Commodore?
What was the one over on next to McDougal's by
Vanderbilt tapas.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Happened, still, yeah, that's right behind Sam's. Remember Sam used
to be there gas.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Still I don't that one might still be there. I
know they got one on eighth now and it's still
gas that honey hot.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Right now, let's talk about your hiatus. You took?
Speaker 4 (54:52):
What take?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (54:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
We're both dads, so we understand the we're not we're
not touring dads, but we're we're dads in this industry.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
And no kind of the tolls, Uh it takes on you.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
What was your mindset kind of taking some time off
to spend with some family.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
It was just you know, really Rhyman getting to the
age where we FaceTime when I'm on the road and stuff.
And it went from like him being too and not
really understanding that I'm going to actively asking like why
are you going? Why are you not here? He knows
them on the road, He know you singing songs, are
you with Uncle Morgan? All these things? But it's like
(55:36):
it just continuously was like be home, stay home, don't leave,
and he got he like associates me putting my boots
on if I put my boots on, He's like, are
you leaving? And you know, like that's sucks, so so so.
And the routing for that month was kind of insane,
like it wasn't nothing crazy. Sorry if I pissed you
(55:59):
off by not being there, But I don't regret it
because we got to spend a month at home. I
haven't spent a month in our new house since we
moved in, since we moved in. Really, No, it's always
been three or three or four years ago. No, it's
been a little over a year. But still even you know,
even winter break we went, we went on a vacation,
but it was with a two year old. It wasn't real.
(56:19):
It wasn't real vacation. This time got to be home.
So what'd you do?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
You just said I'm out for a month, and then
you had stuff booked. I had shows bo I didn't
know that. Yeah, I thought you were just like, hey,
I'm taking No.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I think it was like a I think it was
like eleven shows I had to cancel.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
That's the thing, though, that it was that important to you.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah, And I don't regret it at all because I
got to have a summer a July with my three
year old, like, we go because you are.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Never you would never get that time back. You'll never
get that time back, man, And and and I got to.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Go play a county fair again. I can do that,
of course, man.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
And as much as you want to play for your
fans and your fans want to see dude, you got
to do what's right for you.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yes, you got to be selfish.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
And by the way, this time, my fans were I
didn't see one. The only I saw two negative comments,
and they're hilarious and they're and I know that they
probably are roommates or like their best friends. Dude, one
of them, one of them was like damn it. One
of them was like, don't be a h what did
he say? It was like it was such a brain
(57:20):
rot comment. But because I know the dude was like
probably nineteen or eighteen, like I will say, he called
me a jackpot or something I've never something I've never
been called and he's like, come on, bro, like, don't
be that uh. And then like thirteen minutes later, an
almost identical comment from like this similar profile picture. I
(57:42):
was like, y'all know they're definitely playing Xbox right now.
Let's come on only two mildly, they weren't. I wasn't
even mad at him. The rest everybody else was super understanding.
I mean, if you have kids, you definitely understand. If
you don't have kids, uh, you can still understand. I mean, dude,
I haven't since co since we came back from COVID,
(58:03):
I have not not been touring. Like I've had a
little break here and there, but I've also had a newborn.
And this was like the first real breath of air
I've gotten to take in like four years.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
So I went with Loot last year. I went on
the road. I did a year with him. And I
always say this when when we start talking about touring
and stuff, everybody thinks that you guys make bajillions of dollars.
And I'm not saying that you do or you don't.
But what I am saying is whatever you do get
paid for that ain't enough. No, it ain't enough because
you were missing moments of life in order to give
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the fans. And look, yes, there are people putting shingles
on roofs and all that, I get it. I'm not
saying that, but there is something nice about being able
to turn it off at four o'clock and be present
and be home, you know what I mean. And when
you're road dogging like that, you never turn it off
because the second you get home, you got two days.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Before your back out.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
And you gotta you gotta, you gotta right, you gotta
mow the yard, you gotta wash your clothes. I mean,
there is no time for nothing, dude. And I really,
I genuinely I think the reason that that that touring
artists make, you know, always pulling in twenty million this
year or whatever. Well, dude, how much is your life worth?
You know, it's it's a it's a sacrifice, man. You
(59:20):
all make a sacrifice.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
For sure, And and you know those there's very few
guys making twenty million. Sorry, no, I know, I mean
it definitely ain't me sure, And but I know it
does cost a couple of million to tour. And so
if you got to make a couple of million to
make a dollar, that's what nobody sees. Yeah, So like
I got seventeen people to pay two buses. Thank God literally,
(59:47):
thank God for writing songs and that that I have that, yeah,
and and it takes the pressure off it. I'm okay
if I if I need to take a month. I
really love my fans. I think I have awesome fans
who some have been there since I was snow and
some are just starting now and then, and they're great.
(01:00:07):
But the songwriting has given me the ability to say
no to something absolutely so that I can be home
the little bit I can be sure. You know, how
do you feel coming off that month ready to get
on the road. Yeah, it's been it's been awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Fresh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yeah, it's like I had a real summer. I definitely
haven't had a summer break in forever. So like we
went to Florida, classic vacation donuts, riding a bike, all
the stuff I was wearing on clouds and khaki.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Shorts, father the whitest dad on her father mother.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I started wearing polo shirts. I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I ask uh, I don't know who I asked this
last but but it's a guy who's chasing the artist
career and and and it's kind of caught it. But
has also written hit songs and written a lot of
them like yourself, Like what is it in you that
drives you? Because you don't have to you don't have
to go play shows, you don't have to be an artist.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
You can. You could stay at home and and and
write songs for Morgan and you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Sound like my wife probably probably.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
What what what is it in you that makes you
have to go do that?
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It's always been there. I just I love entertaining. I
love singing songs. That there's some songs that I write
that I already know they're not mine. Uh, and those
are the ones that end up getting cut. But songs
that I cut, it's like I want, I want my
voice on songs that are you know, I'm proud of.
(01:01:42):
Maybe I'm a narcissist or maybe every artist does this,
but like when I'm making a record, all I listen
to is what I'm making, and then once I put
the record out, I don't listen to it unless I'm
playing it on stage. But like, I listen to myself,
and that's how I learned. And I I'm an honest
critic of myself. But I know when something's good and
no it's some is not, and I can build off that.
(01:02:03):
And yeah, I just I think that I was, like
I was saying, I think I have a responsibility to
make a statement in the name of country music and
our forefathers and to be an example to kids that
are five and six years old now that will be
thirty and oh he kept it real, and I think, yeah,
(01:02:24):
I can't. I can't necessarily do that as just a songwriter.
I can write those songs, but I think being the
guy that can stand on stage and sing it and
preach is that that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
You've raised a bunch of money with your invitational for
Second Harvest Food Bank. Explain that to us a little
bit and where your heart is and that that project.
Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Man, Second Harvest has been awesome to me. Craig Wiseman
traditionally has done the Stars for Second Harvest show at
the Ryman. I think what thirteen or fourteen years of it.
And he took me to breakfast a year ago and
I was like, I don't know what. I thought, He's
gonna hand me the keys a big laugh. Dang didn't happen. Yeah, no,
(01:03:10):
it didn't happen, but he but it was super cool
because it was the last thing I expected. He asked
me to take over his uh Stars for Second Harvest
show and association with Second Harvest and carry that torch
and in doing so and having that relationship with them.
I was just thinking of other ways we can, you know,
raise money, and who doesn't love a golf scramble and
(01:03:33):
we do? Yeah, I know. Well now it's brother y'all
should sponsor brotherrens hunt, sponsor a hole golf out of
a shotging or something. We shooted a turkey maybe, Oh
that's cool. We could have a turkey kill. Not even
a hunt, just a turkey kill. Turkey slaughter has like
(01:03:53):
twenty five turkeys in it. You kill it, you get
a zero on the hole. Oh yeah, dude, we'll talk
more about But it's great. I mean, look, I've gotten
to meet and get to know some pretty cool people.
So it's cool to like make that ask to have
people come and be a part of it. And uh,
and it's for a good cause. I've been blessed beyond
(01:04:16):
belief and to be able to give back to Tennessee
in that way. It's like the food bank itself is
already stacked with food. They're never they're never going to
run out of food. But the money we raise is
going in to the trucks, so they're immediately immediately gassing
the tanks and taking food everywhere. And and it's it's great.
(01:04:38):
I mean, I think it's the largest food bank there is,
the JP Morgan of food Banks, JP Moore Chase Bank Regions.
Everything's Morgan with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Hey, let's do the uh, let's do the things the
uh what.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Were o timers not plugged in? I've been looking at it,
but it's wor we've been in that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Uh, let's do uh we I can't even remember. Do
we do this one first?
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Or we do they the one that got it away
or the graver?
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It's the one got away if I close, but do
it again.
Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
It's the one that got away there.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
That's John Mayer ten penny.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Do you remember the what is?
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
What are we doing? What's the segment are we doing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
When they got away? Let's just do that one.
Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
I'm sure that was a thing you had to say.
It's the part of show for the one all of
our songs kind of sound.
Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
One got away?
Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Uh? It could be a deer fish.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
An hour already, man, I don't know how long it's been,
but I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Okay, Warren brothers can wait on me.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
They can.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
She got the Israel Brothers right now, that's right. And
you know what, tell the Warrens We're coming. Reese can
figure it out and write a song without me his blood.
Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Let me come and hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Let me come her way to spill Reese. By the way,
I didn't know whether to call him Rise or always
call him Rise dude.
Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
How about fun fact, Delaney's mom named him, My wife's
mother named Reese. What They go way back? Because Rob Royer,
Delaney's dad, and Rivers used to work together back in
the nineties. Rob wrote Grundy, Delaney's dad wrote sold action
with I went down to the Grundy County Action. I
(01:06:41):
saw something that I just had.
Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
My mind told me I should proceed with cush.
Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
And I said, he wants you to give me a sign.
I do anything to get mine own mind. I have
never seen anyone that's so fine, man, I gotta have it.
Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
She's one of the kind. I'm going going twice. I'm
sold to the lady in the second rule. She's an age,
she's a nice I don't know. She's got ruby red
lisbond hair, blue hat, my heart good.
Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yeah. So Robin Rivers used to work together back in
the day, and they Delaney and uh Rivers daughters the
same age. They went to school together. And when Reese
was born, I guess her mom is around and they
were picking names, and she's like, Reece, I love Rivers.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
MANA Rivers is the best.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
He's just got this white he's like John. He's like
he's like if John dunn't worth.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
He's got this white deer, the flannel, long sleipe bubby
walking down He'll be walking down Division carrying a guitar,
wearing a cowboy hat on his way, with his shirt
halfway on, but looks so fine cut dip in dude.
Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
If I was like a fifty year old woman, I'd be.
Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Like, Rivers are out of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Swag on he does.
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
It could be a song, buck. I'll tell you what
my high the truck I had in high school. I
was going to say a song which would be holy Water.
Jason al Dean cut it. It was Craig Wiseman's first
Jason al Dean cut. I wish I'd kept that song,
but it's Jason now Dean cut. Not complain with that,
Not mad at that? I am mad my ninety eight
(01:08:25):
f one fifty maroon. I sold it to a friend
named Ormond, who I don't know where he is. On
the face of the earth, and I definitely don't know
where that truck is. And god, dude, I know that
I know that thing is just munted. I wrecked it
kind of and his beat how what model was? It
was a ninety eight single cab F one fifty maroon.
(01:08:48):
It had one bedrail on it because one got stolen.
Who steals a bedrail? That's a hard thing to take
off of a truck, Not with a screw, not with
a I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I mean Nolan's will oh, never mind the understand.
Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Who steals a bedrail?
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Somebody?
Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
You want to go on to the next question fast.
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
We need to move on.
Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Huge truck.
Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
My truck. I miss it, ol Red.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
All Red, No, we just did that favorite song, greatest slash.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Favorite could be a country song, could be a rap song,
could be whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the explanation on this is
that it doesn't have to be the greatest song of
all time. It's like, it's what's that cornerstone of my Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
It'd be like I'd say, it's either that's the way
love goes or Angel flying too close to the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Here, you play it first course one.
Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
If you had nod had fallen, I would not have
found you.
Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Angel flying to close to the ground. I patched up
your broken wings, hung around a while m hm, trying
(01:10:19):
to keep your spirits up, and you'll fever it down.
Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
I knew someday.
Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
You'd fly away. Flow is the greatest tealer.
Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
To be found. So leave me if you need to.
Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
I will still remember Angel flying too close.
Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
To the ground. Come on, that's killer.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
You smashed that way.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I could have played that man. That was fun. I
told you that he's cool. I like this podcast. We
all need a third ever.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Just just come on any time.
Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
What's up with your part? Are you ever going to
bring it back? Think? I just did? Actually you just
brought horse back? Brother the brother? Yeah, just being brother. Hey,
can we take you hunting sometime? Please? I would love you.
I've only done a Rivers Rotherford pheasant hunt.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh no, please come home with take me. I would
love so much fun. Take me, take me, take me so.
Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Mueah man, And I mean I think you would actually
you know, I'd love it. You would love it and
you would.
Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
We went out in bald in Ar fifteen.
Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Shot we did, Yeah, we did with a banana clip
and just a single shot, just a single shot. Remember
keeping it clean.
Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Hey, I would love to go hunting. Please go with us.
Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Heyn.
Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Thanks, thanks for being the first in the in the
new studio, bro, the new, the new swags.
Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Dude, I don't need your rocking sare Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Let me tell you this. The town loves you. We
love you Country music. Thank you for doing what you
do and for making the music that you make, and
we appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Thank you for being a good guy.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Thank you, Thank you for hurn us everybody, thanks for
having hanging out God's Country.
Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
See you next time, all right,
What's up.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're off in God's Country with Reed and Dan also
noticed the Brother's Hunt, where we take a weekly drive
to the intersection of country music and the great outdoors,
two things that go together like Tammy Wynett and George Joan.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Or Venison Chili and Friday Night Football. Brought to you
by Meat Eater and My Heart Podcasts, Bro New.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Studio, New Digsking it here, Man, it felt good. A
lot of animals just just like you know, going, hey, man,
keep going.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You're doing great down there?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Is that what they're saying?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
To me, it's just a straight up encouragement.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
This thing just sets it off for me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I mean, I'm good to see it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Funny fact all of that stuff was in my dad's
backyard and we put it together an hour, no doubt shot.
Ernest was on today Bro. So much fun that dude's awesome.
Man came in looking like looking like the mayor.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I hope he runs.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I did too, Man, Ernest, you got mine, that'd be
that'd be super cool. We tell a lot of funny stories.
Uh Me and ernestkill way back that he didn't even
know about. Dan and ernestkill way Back he's a nash villain,
you know, lived here his whole life, and uh doing
some great things in country music man kind of kind
of kind of widening the trail. I would say, you're
(01:22):
also doing some great things for Nashville. He talks about
his benefit for the food Bank and uh, just an
all around great guy, great podcast, well spoken.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Go follow us on the Gram, Go follow us on Facebook,
Go follow us on YouTube. Is there anything else? Is
there anything else on TikTok? Follow us on because we're
always on there, dude. We love to love it. The
Brotherren's Hunt. If it looks a little different, if the
(01:56):
scene looks a little different.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's because it's totally it's totally different.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
This is the inaugural episode in this uh, in this building.
It kind of feels I was telling Dan, it kind
of feels like the first Like the first episode we
were like how many and thirty five thirty six in
now over and this is Yeah, this feels like a startover.
This feels like the first episode we ever did. Yeah,
it's awesome. And by the way, that's Reid's wife. I
(02:21):
don't know if yeah, I don't know if we cleared
that up. But maybe we should put that like on
the liner notes when we're because we do this over.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Here's some weird interactions there. That's what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay, there's something going on here. We have a couple
of kids together, you know, and we're brothers. Yeah, I
didn't know that, and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We got related to Jason. There's there's no better person
to Uh. He already knows the history of this building.
He came in screaming it when he was walking up
the stairs. Yeah, Jones, this is Jones. Is Jones and
Tammy Wine up building.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Huh. This is the Jones's history here, some history here. Yeah, dude,
when I was walking up the stair, was like, no way.
I wrote here years ago and I thought it was
so cool, Like George Jones looked out this window. Yeah,
these floors have not been updated since. Have not pacing
them smoking cigarettes and checking out side for cops.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We've got uh, we've got some dead animals on.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The wall now, thank God man and all this stuff.
We also have a two time a c M Award nominee,
two time c M a Triple Play Award winner, which
means you've written three number one songs in a calendar
year twice twice, yeah, two times.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Uh man.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Some of the songs cowgirls, I had some help you
prove one of my hometown, big big plan, son of
a center. We got big earnest on the cow or not.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm old. Our old place had col Maybe.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Today we should be the brothers hunt.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Slipping. That's great.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was thinking maybe you should have told us before
we started, so we started real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I hate cowgirls.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I hate them cross Due me too. And the reason
is because my child.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
We can't stopped. I mean it is literally, it's worse.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's worse than like candy before bedtime due. If we
get in the vehicle, Hey, Daddy to play Towers Daddy,
I'm like, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That dudeas like one saying it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's both of my kids, That's what I'm saying. I
think I think Liza like heard it, and my four
year old and loved it. And my two year old
was in the car all the time, and so now
he knows that it's Tower Girls. It's so crazy to me, man,
because I'm like, hey, you know, my buddy wrote this song,
like daddy, come on dad, he did, Like I know
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the guy.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Kids, I wrote all right, me and your dad go
way back, me and your uncle here further allegedly. Yeah,
you know we weren't. We weren't writing that song for
the kids. But I love love it. I love it, dude.
People people have said that before the kids, they're kids
like cowgirls. My son Ryman is obsessed with Why Dallas.
(05:14):
He sings white. He has this little ukulele and he'll
just sit there and strum it Why Dallas, and he's
he knows every word.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, man, I love there's some swing on that record.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Dude, we'll get not my podcast, bro, this is the
first you are by far, and we need probably need
to keep a stash you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You were by far the best dressed artist SLASH guests
that we have had bills. It looks like you're trying to, like, uh,
you know, project a little something, like you might be
running for something or something.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm not only running boys, I'm gonna win the spot
for mayor of Nashville, Tennessee. And the cool thing about
the mayor of Nashville, Tennessee, I'm the mayor of whatever
city I wind up in, you know, it's just my
home base is Nashville. So that's what we're doing. We're
legalizing country music. We're on the campaign trail. Uh and
by god, if I can't do it, no one can.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Really.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's a proper twenty twenty whatever. Yeah, twenty twenty till
whatever I died, dictator dude.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, that's sitting in there from it's been sitting there
all right.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We got a lot of stuff to get to. But first, what.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Man, just tell us what it is.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
What you're mad is it? In lost kids?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Mind?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Being your boss?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Man, all your names, Ken, just tell us what you mad.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You see what I'm mad at that?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I love that, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'll tell you what I'm mad at is uh.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Not being able to put your guitar. We're gonna have
to work that out.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'd say what I'm mad at is that yesterday I
did nothing to hurt my knee.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'm talking about regular old forty now, regular old.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Day kids down.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think what happened was we're in this We have
a tiny, little ranch style tiny and so we've moved
my two year old into my four year old's room
just for a little while. We're gonna build. But anyway,
so while they're in we're in there, we just had.
I got a three week old too. Oh my god,
three week old little boy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh you're in the trenchous sun. Been there.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They don't get you want my coffee?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Too?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Good?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm good right now. I'm a little little shot, but
it's all good. Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So what I do is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I go in there, we say our prayers, we do
the thing, and then they fall asleep, and I kind
of creep off the bed and then I slip into
my room, right so I think, but it's a little
it's like a little bed, so my legs kind of
hang up. So I think my leg was like just
kind of hanging getting old ship. I know, I know,
I think I fell as I woke up and I
(07:56):
was like, I heard my old man, my leg is
I heard my today?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah? Sleep, And so I got.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Up and then this morning, dude, I couldn't even hardly
get up downstairs. Man, I'm mad at what happens to
joints at the age of forty.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You should have seen what happened to the joint I
just smoked in.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They're getting they both are getting smelled.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Right at those joints.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Beautiful dude.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Man, I don't I honestly don't don't say you're not
mad enough. I mean I probably am, but I've forgotten
mad at anything.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's a privileged man, ladies, And it's about to get
hot again. I know we've already used that one.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Talked about eighteen things you were mad at on the
drive end today?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Tell me one the heat.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I got something that we can't talk about.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It sounds like traffic. N Yeah, heat and traffic.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That's what I'm mad at. You mad anything?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Arn, You don't have to be.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
You can be glad. I'm mad at a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, sure, or don't.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
This is a fat thing, belt buckles cutting into the gut?
Mad at that? Wasn't mad at that when I was
standing up walking in here?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Mad at it? Now you're just sitting down and that helps.
It helps. I'm big on taking the belt off while driving. Same.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, no, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
See this guy, what are you about to do? Oh?
Those are great?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
This is this is the big belt for me elastic.
But the husky belt spans still keeps them up.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's a belt that shrugs. It's like, whatever you want
to do to you, man, you want to go here
for you just adding an elastic band to totally.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
In a like slightly more dressed up way than wearing sweat.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, guys under two hundred don't wear those belts. Don't
And you're in the golf Pro shop, You're like, this
is nice, this is nice, this is nice. Doing this
thing stretches. There's no there's no like dotted line for
how how big it can be. It's just braided. So
it's like, you can fit this as long as it's
fit around your waist. We got a spot whatever, we
(10:17):
got it, one size.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We got it.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the opposites people that refuse to get
on a Zimpit can still wear.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A belt, Yeah, sure, exactly. Hey listen, sorry that belt
bump is cutting you. But it looks good on you.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
That's good, thank you, and looks for everything. I feel
like something else was upsetting me. Oh, pedestrians, pedestrians in
twelve South, we'll say twelve. I don't even go to
Broadway much. I'm sure it's brutal down there, but just
like on a Saturday, obviously you got crosswalks. That's one thing.
(10:51):
Cars should be mindful of crosswalks. But like people are
just texting with their cowboy hats and boots on six
six of you know, six tourists just mindlessly deciding I'm
going to take a left and across the street. Here.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It's like ducklings, dude, they like follow me.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I feel like society is kind of mind less at
this point.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well, it's because they're all, yeah, yeah, here, a lot
of that going, and then whatever happens out here is
just the extra.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
In the same vein we played a h we played
Chiefs down there on Broadway. I was sick a couple
of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That room, by the way, the I.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Haven't even been in there, and it looked all the videos.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's like the third and floor.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's like a small rendition of the Rhymen with them
stained glass and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Dude, it's so sick.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We're gonna do it to you. It's just go do
it with us.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's fun. Killer.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I would love that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But I'll tell you, man, the most interesting part of
that thing to me is that it's kind of like this,
except out there is uh Broadway, right in that Broadway.
You look at them, dude. I was just standing at
the window, just looking out the window like it is
downtown is insane, dude. Have you done it in a while?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I haven't been. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I mean, you know, after after you say downtown, everywhere
around here no harvest.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Last time I went out downtown is after the second
Harvest thing at the Rhyman I did and we went
to Uh we went to Luke's and yeah, it's nuts, dude.
I get claustrophobic, Like I trust me, I'd love to
pack a room out, but I want to be on
the stage. I get overwhelmed and shoulder and dude, speaking
of looking out on Broadway, this is crazy. So when
(12:28):
we did the Rhyman for my headline show in November, UH,
one of the Paul Franklin, we were cutting over here
at Oceanway during the day and he was like, hey,
tonight when you go, if you get over there today,
ask somebody about the upstairs upstairs. Have you heard about
the upstairs upstairs? How many people have? So I get there,
(12:51):
I like, upstairs upstairs, Yeah, upstairs upstairs, this is yeah, yeah, right, God,
we'll be right back. So what had happened was I
get there and I asked this dude about the upstairs
upstairs and he was like, yeah, we got times, like
three in the afternoon. He was like, come on. So
(13:12):
it's me and Chandler and Dallas David Center together and
we go on this little scavenger hunt.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We go.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Dallas had never heard of it. Chandler was with me
when Paul said it, but no, Dallas hadn't heard of it.
And so we go take the elevator to the third floor.
We go through like a service room, and then take
a ladder. Pop open. So it's the attic of the rhymen.
It's all infrastructure and you can see through the little
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lightholes down ninety feet to the stage. You're walking around,
there's old boards from the original structure laying around. All
the brick on the inside is original brick from the structure.
And then I go over to the Broadway side. I'm
in the I'm in the I'm in the roof of
the Ryemen. I pop up in this little hatch of
(14:05):
the roof. Yeah, and I'm looking down on Broadway. I
obviously smoke a joint and I'm just like, I mean,
I I'm a country music history like. I love that
we're in George Jones Building.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I love It's the reason we got this room is
because you were coming perfect.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I love it, and I'll expect that kind of treatment
from But so I'm I'm like geeking out, nerding out
about this stuff up here, like touching the wall and
being like, oh my god, like the what these bricks
have heard, you know, like all the way from the
sermons to you know, iconic moments and music. Well, next
(14:45):
to the little hatch where I was looking out, there's
a hole in the wall. And in that hole we're
like three or four loose bricks.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Don't tell me you did it?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, Well, we each got a brick from the rhymen
and it's covered in to it from when it caught fire.
So it's a jet black brick. I got it in
my office and it's in i mean otherwise mint condition,
other than covered in suet, and it's been sitting there
and the.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Wall sneak it or like, hey, can I get this brick?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I just told the dude. I was like, we're gonna
take these bricks. We didn't take him out. You try
to stop me if he was like, I don't even
know if he's still working. He was like probably twenty
one years old. I don't know if he ever, but uh,
I told the rhym And Staff that months later, I
was doing something there. I was like, you know, you know,
I got a brick in his mother right, But dude,
I mean, if you hold it, your hand is just
completely black. But I'll give it to my son one day.
(15:36):
And I don't know how many people have that, Like
I've always wanted like a pew or something or it's.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Even kind of cool, alert though, because like nobody else,
nobody has a brick. Nobody probably they probably some pews
out there from ten Penny.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
His grandmother, Donna Hilly, obviously Queen of Music, Row got
gifted a bunch of cool stuff throughout her and I
grew up with Mitchell, so like I was always at
their house. The hang was always at his grandmother's and uh,
she had a pew from the original Rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, it's pretty cool that the kid happens to be
named after it as well.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Totally ironic. I didn't even put two together, like, oh
my god, you.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Grabbed that b and you were like, I got to
name my kid.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I renamed it at two years old. Hey, actually.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Black bricky Okay, Uh yeah, speaking speaking of Tenpenny. Uh,
you guys kind of like we're in like I try
to do a little duo.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Right. We teetered with the idea Keith and Mitchell. Dude,
nobody wanted to sing.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Back up I wrote with y'all for that record.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Man, Oh my god, which song did we write?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I have no clue. In the basement, in the basement
at at at his grandmother's house, probably, so we had
the studio that is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The that is where I spent most of my high
school nights. And that pew we sat on. Oh yeah,
that pew in the room. And there was a big
flag above que which we can't show, but it was.
It was the flag flag there. It was the flag
from the original Gone with the Wind that was gifted
to Donna Hilly, signed by the whole cast and the
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President in the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, it's like in a frame. President. Yeah, how did
he get on there? She had, dude, like she was
friends with uh George Bush?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Like, oh she had he said that. Mitchell said that, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Donna Hillett had all kinds of friends. But that's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That would have been that was there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That was what year that It would have been twenty thirteen,
thirteen four, so a little bit like ten eleven years ago. Yeah,
we had we had Mitchell on the podcast, and so
me and Mitchell took a songwriting class together. That's where
we met an MTSU and we wrote. We wrote some songs.
I was living on a house.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Boat and Percy Preece remember that. We wrote some.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Songs and then he was like, hey, man, I'm trying
to do this duo thing with my buddy.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, come right and write some tunes with us.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
So the Warren Brothers who I'm writing with after this
is who? So the donna Mitchell's grandmother signed the Warren
Brothers to their first pub deal back in the day.
If you don't know the Warren Brothers, if you're listening,
they've written tons of legendary hits, Red Solo, Cup, you know.
And they're hilarious most Yeah, they're hilarious. So when I
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was getting ready to sign my first pub deal, Sony
ATV was the only one I even knew existed by
proximity of the house always having Sony ATV stuff in it,
and knowing that Mitchell's grandmother was the was the president
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Was his mom working there at the time too?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yep, yeah, she was working doing the same doing the
same thing, keeping books and stuff, and so I took
the meet Warren Brothers took me in for a meeting
with Sony ATV and then w Warner Chapel and I
went Sony ATV just because it was all in the family.
But I was like, I can't do this pub deal
at Sony ATV without Mitchell, you know, like and Mitchell
(19:05):
is never the type to use his grandmother's name or
clout to get anywhere. But yeah, so it was it happened,
bang bang, Warren brothers want to bring it. I was like,
let's do this, and then just me and Mitchell were
just tag teaming all of our rights together, like we
the Warren Brothers do that, and we just kind of
you got me, you got Mitchell, you got Mitchell, you
(19:25):
got me, and you know, it just so happened, and
a lot of our demos turned out both of us singing.
There was never any there's no structure or plan ever
to us being a duo. It was just we wrote
probably one hundred and fifty songs together. And you know,
like when I started making music fourth fifth grade. I
met raf Tenpenny in fifth grade and Mitchell was in
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the eighth grade. So his freshman year he turned sixteen,
and he'd be driving us around. Everything he was listening
to is what we were listening to. So like my
early music, DNA from under Oath to John mayor Craig David,
that's all. Mitchell would say the same three and we
did it. We covered a Craig David song with a
seven days. I didn't have to watch. I know I'm
(20:12):
gonna do Craig David as Mitchell, which is the way
I knew it. Mitchell tenpenny.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Everybody h.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
On my way to see my friends did a couple
of blues away from me. I don't home through the subway,
must have been about a quarter. Passed in front of bank,
stood up beautiful honey with the beautiful body.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
She used me for the time. I see the course
of the name said number band. You know why she said?
Did she declined?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Did is she mine? I don't think so? Uh wasn't
she dance?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It was twenty four?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
When did he see she?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
He couldn't wait, huh to let me up? Day?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
She says she wanted to fronde foul Son. And then
we stopped at the Bottle of Moe for Monday took
a full at chan on Tuesday.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
We were making love by Wednesday, on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, on.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Sunday, I left it. But yo, But so all of
that is that's a pressed do you do in press?
Like didn't he I can do? I can do. I
tried singing like Mitchell before, I tried singing like anybody else,
and I was That's what I was saying, like the
I didn't you know, I wouldn't show my music to
nobody that besides whoever came over to the grandmother's house,
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and that was what was the pro tools session. And
so a lot of times whatever I left on pro
tools as from seventh grade the senior year, was knowing
that Mitchell would be the next one to hear it.
So I was always trying to impress Mitchell being the
older kid, uh early like I would I would say
pre puberty, but I hit puberty in like third grade,
so for other kids my age hit puberty. I was
(22:06):
trying to impress Mitchell and now shaving, Yeah, I was shaving, dude.
I was shaving, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You're a nash villain. You've you've been here your whole life.
If you were actually voted in maybe have Nashville, Tennessee.
All right, what would be the what would you change
about your city?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Uh? Okay, So I would start with locals get free parking.
Like when I say local, I mean like you have
a if you were born in Nashville, Tennessee. You it's
a sticker. It's just like Florida has your fast past.
If you've lived here for fifteen years pro rated, you know,
five years. I think I think you should be rewarded
for living in this city and staying put and going
(22:52):
downtown and parking in parking lotch you grew up parking
in Now you got to pay twenty five bucks is
not a reward. I understand you gotta make money, but
there's enough tourism here and everything. I think you should
reward you should. That's part of you know, why we
don't go down to Broadway is because it's like to
go pay forty bucks to go spend four hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Brother, That's exactly what I was thinking. I didn't figure
we'd have anybody at the show we played because I'm like,
these jokers gotta pay seventy dollars to get in, to
even get to the door, and then there's people throwing
up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I'll tell you the thing that got I should
pay you seventy dollars if you go down town to Yeah,
you should get paid seventy dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
To go down that's a good run. Yeah, this is
great ticket scary.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So my point is that it's tough for me to
see anybody wanting to spend forty to seventy bucks basically
two park to get into a place. The thing that
blew my mind is it was midsummer when we played.
There are literal end Look, man, I don't think I'm
like old Dad yet, Dude, I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Feel old Dad, right.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But I literally saw okay, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Some okay guys three tears of a c l and
hearing a Natali What happened? Guys walking like Forest Gump
for the rest of thetairs. Dude, it's no strap anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This girl trying to get in the in the thing
because the windows right over the door, and she literally
literally all she had on was like a skirt that's
shorter than my shorts and a red bikini top with
a leather jacket. Like that's it, dude, A literal bathing
suit top, short, leather jacket.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know, I'm jealous. I'm jealous of the options girls
get to it. Like, imagine if it wasn't drag, but
a guy off our statue could just pull up in
a skirt and a little crop. This is the least
I could wear. You don't like it, don't look. There's
a tire world so far of you and me just
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wowed up dressing slutty at a country show.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I don't even know what that well, I'll tell you
what it looks like. What her boyfriend or whoever was
with it with her at all, which was a white
T shirt that looked like a veloscal raptor had just
ripped across the chest and his knit was just.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He shops at Buckle. It was like.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's still around for that guy. Yeah, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's in the Green Hills mall.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, but hadn't been there in a while either.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, it's too close. Yeah I lived in four Hills,
but I mean it's still the closer mall than going
to Cool Springs. So you bought a place though. Yeah,
it's like a city farm. It's like five and a
half acres. It's not a city farm. On the west
side of Franklin. Yeah, I love. It's got a creek,
it's got a barn. The lady's got seven goats, I
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think nine chickens. We got two dogs, three cats. We
got three cats. We kind of have four cats, but
I never see Harry. We have a barn cat who
just eats his food and dips. I've seen him once. Uh.
Two are indoor. Their main coons, which are super fire.
I didn't know they existed. I've never been a cat guy.
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That's like the leg main like the place. And then
coon like the dog. Yes, really yeah, the dog.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You like a raccoon coon?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh, coonhound? I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I got and I said, gets in your trash dolls.
So a main coon. And they get up to like
thirty five pounds. They're big cats. I'm not not a
cat I tell you what I've I'm not a cat guy.
I would have always said that until these cats. And
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Delaney was never Delanny was always allergic to cats. And
then one of her friends like had one that needed
a home or whatever, and that's her spot, and we
fell in love with the cat. And what I like
about a cat is that it doesn't go bonkers when
somebody knocks on our door or comes inside. If anything,
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You're like, the cat's nowhere to be seen, you know
what I mean? Whereas I have two Australian shepherds that
just lose their mind for twelve minutes at the top
of their lungs anytime anything happens that isn't me.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So yes, same cat, guy, I need a picture of
a man coon jumps. I gotta see what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Their fire looking big, fluffy like that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh that's bobcattish, Yeah, kind of kind of looking. Oh
that's links sure, man, I might be scared of that thing,
so you know your.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Kid, No, they're they're the sweetest. They're just cuddle bugs.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That looks terrifying, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They're not. That one looks more terrifying than ours.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That one look terrif thirty five pounds is a big cat, though, Dude,
that's bigger than most bobcats. Honestly, I mean I've never
killed or never shot a wildcat that was over fifteen
pounds pound forty pounds bobcat.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Dude, Well that's what I'm saying that. Well, see if
they if they I know that they can get up
to that big right now, they're both like ten fifteen pounds,
but there neither of them are a year old.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
They don't go outside at all.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Uh No, they stay inside. So you you about that
farm loft, you feed goats, chickens.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Do you do the whole thing?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Leanney and Ryman do the farm chores every morning they go,
they take their walk chicken cooke awesome, water worms food,
get the eggs well like you like they got dried
up inch worms.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You feed the worms wait, Ryman, would you know, take
handfuls and scatter them in there and then they'll go
across water and hay for the goats.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah. Ryman he's three three and a half and does
the farm tree. He knows the farm chores.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's all pretty awesome for him.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
These guys a little dump truck. He'll put stuff in
the back right it like, and I'll follow him around
in the cowsak cool. It's kind of sick.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, that's pretty great.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
My wife wants all that stuff so bad, but I'm
just like, I have no time. I have no time
to mess with us.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
That's what it is. If she does it, it's gonna
it does take time. But that's that's what Delandy does.
She is literally a farmer. So you're like, you can
have this stuff. But she's got a eighty by forty
garden with like all kinds of half of its uh
veget like vegetables and stuff in the other half is
like wildflowers.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And that's so what do you what are you eating now?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
That garden peppers? Uh? What else? We use the basil
all the time. Born messed up this year too hot,
too hot, real drops still really corn corn wasn't good.
We had a deer get into some of stuff. I
mean she had a bunch of cabbages and cannle lope
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Guys can help you with those deer if you get
a little they start getting your gardenl too much.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Guys, I would love that. Can we just put like
a bear trap back there? No, I can not put
a bear trap back there. You put a deer trap.
But yeah, there's still a stand in one of my
trees there. But I don't think it'd have to be
bo Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Okay, you know there's actually a company, I can't remember
what it's called, like Bowbros. Or something, and you can
literally hire them to come hunt, which but you don't
even have to hire us doing it. You don't even
have to hire us business. And we'll give we'll we'll
give you half the mate off of that, dude ook
for you.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'd love that. Dude. You know what is the most
nostalgic thing I think about it? Anytime it starts being fall.
I smell it, I taste, I see it. It was a
Friday night football game at David Lipscomb. It was brisk,
it was probably fifty degrees. There's a there's a fire
pit going so like natural wood BURNI you can smell it.
Marching band is coming down the hill, okay, teams are
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walking the field doing kicking field goals all that. And
then Mark Muscolo was making he had venison chili and
he was making venison sliders on Hawaiian rolls and we
were eating that, getting ready to do. The sun is down, dude.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's a good day. Oh that's a good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I got in so much trouble before Friday night football game.
Uh calling one of four five the zone. They were
one of four to five. The zone was at they
do like you know, every Friday night, they pick a
different school and they were at Lipskin and we were
playing Stratford, and uh, we were supposed to beat Stratford.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And I was like, A I think I was a
freshman or sophomore. I think it was a sophomore his
tenpenny senior year. Yeah, so anyways, I was not going
to be playing. And I called one of four to
five the zone while like you know, we did. We
came down, had our team meeting break for three hours.
We got to be back in the field. During that break,
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I like probably went around smoked a joint with a
couple of the older kids, and uh, for the game,
I wasn't playing diet hand warmers a dip like I
was chilling. I was gonna have a good time. Chili
is waiting. I forgot listening to Mike Jones, right, So
I called one of four five the zone and I
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was like, hey, I don't know why, dude, this is
the stupidest thing ever. I was like, yo, it's like
this is so's amos, David Lipscomb. I'd like to shout
out like Michael Sazio and like three or four of
the upper classmen. I was like, we're about to kick
some Strapford. But and dude, I didn't even didn't even
That's how little I thought back in the day. You
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think I don't think before I speak. Now, this was
so impulsive, not to not considering that the speakers for
the live show. We're down at the field, like all
the coaching staff, both teams, everybody that's going to the
game listening to Wonderful. Like one of the players called
Keith Smith calling talking before a game and so we
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getting there, Wait, is that dear chili chili on the
smells like we Coach Mac at halftime was like, Kiefer,
we were beating the crap out and he's Likefer, and
don't think the whole coaching staff didn't hear you call
talking a bunch of bull crap. What kind of idiot
are He was like, He's like, you're kicking off this
(33:15):
ass and you're kicking extra points. And boy, when I
tell you that they let come through, I was kicking
extra points and they just let him have it. I
got three blocked in my face. Dude. Oh, I don't
know what made me think of that chill made but yeah,
rest in peace, Coach Mac, Rest in peace. David Lipstrom
High School.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, does everybody have a coach Max, I mean I
had a coach man, so everybody had.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Dan's got some mean dear chili.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, if you if.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You want to make your own dear chili, I can.
I got tons of venison, you know I would love him? Serious?
Yeah we uh I cooked them yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Actually football dude, football on back porch, fire deer chill
were almost there. The morning started to like it.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I feel like we've got these next like like week
from hell, like some of the hottest temperatures of the
summer coming, and then it gets in, rain season comes
and then we got we're there.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Football duds already changed. It's been such a dry summer. Yeah,
leaves are starting to look like fall.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, they're falling, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We sound like a bunch of old dads.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
We are what are alright? So not an oldest you
just let's go back to you. Are you thirty two?
Are we the same? What? I just kidding? Have an
ingrown hair on my stomach. That's why I wore pants.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I got them all over my legs.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeahs socks. So you you started, you started.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Your journey with with Sony and Mitchell doing that whole thing.
You kind of went went off the country.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Music path a little bit. Yes, where what what?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
What in your brain took you to the place where
you referred your to yourself as.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Snow Oh well, that would be uh a combination of things.
One being as I was saying the stuff I was
just listening to all growing up, rap was in the
mix always, and I was always able to freestyle rap
like I freestyle the songs I write today, I'm just
not there's melody that I.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Know I'm doing that. When we wrote Tennessee Queen, I
remember you getting I remember you just like saying rappy
things through the day. Yeah, And I couldn't tell if
you were joking because we had written yeah yeah, And
I was like, And then as it would when like
as the day progressed, I was like, oh, this is
like a strategic tactic of his to get words to
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rhyme with things and maybe even pull something that's out
of the movements.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And dude, I thought it was. I thought it was great.
Thank you. But that's accidentally my process and so like,
and it all came from just lunch table freestyle rapping
and frying up kids on my summer baseball team in
the day. Yet and so that was. You know, I
was always obviously writing country songs, signed to be a
country singer. But the song that got me my pub
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deal was me and an acoustic guitar rapping a song
called blacked Out, and I just sat down for Tom
Luther and played that. He was like, I don't know
what this is, but you'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
He's my point.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Now, Tom is amazing. Yeah, so he was like, I
don't know what we're gonna do with this, but come on, yeah,
come on. So you know what, there was a time
where I would have considered that a detour that wasted time,
but I think every moment I spent pursuing rap. Actually,
i'll tell you what came from it, me wanting to
be a rapper or even right hook right rap hooks
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for other artists. That time between like twenty fifteen and
twenty seventeen took me to LA where I made a
lot of cool relationships. I got to Fgo, brought me
in to write with DJ Mustard, which ended up just
be me and it was just me rap. Brian and
Tyler just sat back while I just rapped on DJ
Mustard tracks, you know, and the song was nothing ever
(36:57):
happened but like I was getting getting those rooms.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah. And where it all changed was I was at
on my second pub deal, which was UMG with Big Loud.
I was at the UMG studios in LA and I
got set up to write with Charlie Hansome and we
were making a rap. So in fact, I was like,
if you hear that song is called it was called
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used to, And in my mind I knew that Charlie
had worked a bunch of posts, like in the go
Flex era of posts. So I was like freestyling post
Malone twenty seventeen post Malone type stuff over Charlie Hansen beat,
so it sounded like post stuff and the vocal chain
was all set up for that, and we hit it
off just on some bro shit. And I guess he
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had met Seth England prior in Atlanta at an FGL
show with Nelly, and so they had planned on writing
in Nashville, and I was like, Yo, you got to
come to Nashville. So he it all lined up to
where he was supposed to write with FGL on like
a Wednesday. He gets in town on a Sunday and
on Monday, I was like, Yo, you need to meet
Morgan Wallen. Morgan hadn't had anything yet, he had the
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way I talked. He had just dropped the way I
do too. But so me and Charlie had starting point too.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
It felt like that was.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
On a Monday night we wrote if I Know Me,
No Way? Yeah, the first time we got me and
Morgan had known each other obviously, but the first time
we got in with Charlie wrote to find know Me,
And then a few weeks later or maybe a few
months later, we wrote more than my Hometown. Uh, and
we're off to the raisin and me and Charlie have
done heartless and now he brought me back around for
all this post stuff. So had I not been pursuing rap,
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every everything would be different.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Wow. Wow, that's Beautiful's cool. Yeah, just to know that,
like what you said, they're really in this business and
and we try to let people know that they're they're
they're not really any wrong turns because it's so crazy
and there's so many different avenues.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
To music you don't have to spot them. Man, absolutely,
more than feels like.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
And I think that Charlie is a very instrumental part
in that being the case. Right now, just like the
way he's been able to sonically blend real rap production
with real country music, you know, as opposed like obviously
there it had been done. It's not like he was
the first one to put eight awaits in a country song,
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but it's the first time we got a rat producer
making country.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Song, right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean, like FG Yale brought in the and it worked.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Obviously, obviously we're a decade kicked the door.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Down, but then it almost it feels like Charlie and
Morgan and Big Loud and y'all cats Man kind of
took it to that, like authentic rap beat under country
lifestyle lyrics.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, and a lot of the a lot of the
melodies and stuff like when we were doing they like
wasted on You You Prove Heartless again, Like those those
melodies and moments are all pulling from my hip hop
bag in R and B back like Craig David, a
lot of my early stuff. It's like I have to
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force myself to put less words in a song because
of this that I listened to. It has so many
words in it, and that's been the fun puzzle is
Like obviously now I'm you know, way beyond knee deep
in country music. And the traditional sound, and I've always
loved it, but now I'm just obsessed. Isn't the word?
(40:27):
I am obsessed? But it's like my mission. I feel
like I've never I never felt purpose with any version
of where I was at creatively. I just was creating,
But like I feel purpose in where I'm at now
as an artist in continuing carrying a torch of guys
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like George Jones, Whalon Merle, Keith Whitley, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson.
That spirit will die if nobody else keeps it alive.
And Jamie Johnson talks about that too. It's like I
responsible ability as Stewart's uh, if we're going to be
country music singers, who's going to fill their shoes. I
don't have a voice like Jamie Johnson or George Jones,
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but I have I believe I have the storytelling ability
and the uh, the ear to go ahead, No, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
My bad doctors, please please interrupt me.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
But I feel like it is my responsibility to make
country music for what I'm gonna put my voice on. Obviously,
I have cowgirls and my background tracks for me to
I can make whatever I want and you can look
back over the last ten years. I'm not switching up
if I were to make a rap song today, But
I'm not switching up if I were to go sing
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Eastop loving or today tonight. You know, it's like and
there's a lot of artists like that right now. And
I think it's a beautiful thing across John's why the
door is open for posts to come in here so flawlessly.
He did it the right way.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
But I'll tell you, I think you don't cut yourself.
Don't cut yourself too short because.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
You you have a A.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's not weird, but it's out of pocket ability to
make all of those things feel authentic, if that makes sense. Like,
and I think it's because it genuinely is it. So
you're you're kind of got this jack of all trade
things going because I remember when we wrote, I was like, dude,
this is an R and B cat, Like, I know
everybody thinks he's like rapper or old country, you know style,
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but this is an R and B cat, Like he's
got some feel on love R and B.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I know you do, and and I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Just think it's it's a It's a beautiful thing to
look at when you look at your progression because it's
it hasn't like nothing really elevated over anything else. It
just all kind of came up together, you know what
I mean, all the sounds, and I mean all you
got to do.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Is listen to Nashville, Tennessee and you get.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Just it is a wide variety.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But but the cool thing about it is like you
didn't do half of it shuffle and then half of
it four eight away, Like you just you put a
list of however many songs on there and and you
don't know what you're gonna get next. And that's the
cool thing about it. And and like Dan said, it's
like nothing fills out of pocket in there, like like
it just feels like different creative moments.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
And it's all ran through, uh with I call it
the Opry filter, where it's like, okay, it's just it's
all the band. So even songs that maybe the demo
had eight to eight so on.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Oh, there's some serious licks. I mean, like guitar stuff
going on. It's serious. I don't know who that was, but.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Dude, I mean we had everything. We had Brent Mason
and Brian Sutton, Paul Franklin, Garry Franklin, Jimmy Lee Slows
and Jerry row fell Man. We did. We had a blast,
and uh that's that's the the way that album is
congruent is because of them, and any song on that
album we can go take it. I can tell the
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Opry Band we're gonna play that and it's gonna sound
like the record, and I think, I think that's I
love that, I love I love I love the Opry Band. Dude.
When the Opry Band gives me a nod after we
run through our little song before I go out there,
they're like, that's that's all I care about. They showed
they signed up to be in the Opery Band to
play country songs. So that's anytime I played the Grand
Operay and I've I've told people this before I'm playing
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country song. I'm not gonna play cowgirls at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'll tell my kids till they don't come.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Yeah, hey you know that guy. Yeah, I forget about
stupid ass at Grand Ole Opry. Dude, Okay, we're gonna
we're gonna keep Jones nice and still in his grave.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah. But there's a time and place for calgars, and
there's a time and place for fiddle and steel and
it's the grand Ole Opry for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Uh, this was a few months ago. I've written in
with with him a few times now. But I went
to Big Loud and and uh, I walked in and
was right with Thomas Archer and this artist and and
I kept on looking at him. And we were in Cadillac.
Is that what you call your You're part of there?
And I kept on looking at him. I was like, oh,
how I know him?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
But I know him? And uh.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And we were like probably thirty minutes an hour, and
I was like, dude, I've seen you before.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
Me.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I was like, where have I seen you before? He
was like TikTok And I was like, what do you
What do you mean TikTok? I was like you you
were singing? He was like yeah. He's like, you know
the video of the guy that the little guy slapping
the big guy's belly. He's like and then it rolled
up and I'm singing with my belly he slapped. I
was like, that's.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
What got his ass?
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Sign? Bro?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I said?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I said, I said how. I was like, what tell
me what happened from the video?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Goes?
Speaker 6 (45:37):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I was, he said, I just got a d M
from from Ernest and uh it said, It said, dude,
you low key cole bro he.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Said, next thing, I know, I'm writing songs that I
heard him singing. I was like, his voice is beautiful?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Though, How fun has that been? How fun has that
been for you too?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I mean, like because you've you've kind of you've kind
of gone through the whole musical spectrum. But now to
to have a place where you're getting to to go
fond talent and artists and writers. And I've written with
Reese and and and Cody and and those cats over there, man,
and it feels like y'all are having fun.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
But like, how how has that been for you?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
To kind of create that environment over there?
Speaker 4 (46:14):
That's probably one of my favorite things I'm doing right now. Like, uh,
I see that as like my my sunset plan of
like I want to empower talented people. And you know,
like like so many people have done for me on
my way up, Like and everybody can say the same,
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like there's always these people in your life that where
everything changes, and like, yeah, and I think that it
took chances. It took took chances on it. I'm the
luckiest guy on earth too. To be where I'm at,
to be in the position where I'm at, I've I've
pretty much grown up in Big Loud, and to now
be in partnership with them with it's Deville Records and
Cadillac Publishing, and you sign Chandler Walters Record Deal, Reese
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Ford Record Deal, Cody Loaden Record Deal. We got a
nice little roster. And and I know and I instill
into them that writing songs is most important because none
of this exists without songs. So take your time writing songs,
get cuts, stack of catalog, be selfless early on, and
then also go out and play shows. And this is
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a development play, which a lot of labels don't do
that now, like I'm we're going to develop them. It's
and they're in Chandler's twenty one. These guys are young one,
he's twenty. He's the oldest twenty one year old you've
ever Mett. He's doing great. He's an old soul. And
you know he likes writing with Roger and Dean. I
mean who doesn't, But like he, he doesn't want to
write what's new right now? Like he sent me three
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songs that sound like they were written in nineteen eighty two,
and I was like, hell, yes, you know, I love that.
And he's doing his Walter's Western Wednesday and booking shows
all over town. He's grinding and off to it, and
I just get to sit back like, yeah out brother, sure,
and I'm there in any way they need me. But
I think another thing that they're going to be learning, Guys,
(48:08):
if we haven't talked about this already, is nobody's gonna
do any like. I can't do any of it for you.
You know I can. I can put you in the room,
I can give you the deal and you have all
My connections are yours. But you got to go out
and grind it. And it's like having been on the
front end of that as an artist gives me such
(48:30):
a I loved my perspective from this side of the
table as a suit. Yeah, getting to coach yeah through experience, yep.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, grind it and find it.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Dude, got to grind it because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
There's it's like you were saying, there's there's no and
and and I'm doing the same thing you're doing on
a smaller scale, like signing some riders, and and I
say the same thing. I'm like, look, man, I can.
I can help you in certain areas, but like old
you have to you have to be the guy behind
the steering wheel, you know what I mean. I can
send you the map quest or what you know what
(49:06):
I mean, totally tell you how to get there a
little bit, but you got to drive. Man. Yes, And
I see so many unless I guess there should be
a lesson to people who are coming to town.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
That's what happened to us.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We had a I mean, Jonathan Singleton was one of
a catalysts for us to even get into this town
and understand what the business actually is, right and he
and he said the same thing to us. He's like, hey, man,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I can open doors, but you got to go in
the run. You gotta kick him down, and you gotta
kick him down, and dude, that takes years and years
and years and years. And I had a guy recently
that was that was just kind of like, man, I
don't know if I can, if I have the strength
to do this. And I said, if you're already asking
yourself that question, you're already out out. You're already out, dude,
(49:51):
because it takes everything you have, or at least it.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Did for us. I mean I've failed, by all means
at least twenty times between signing my first pub down
now you have to I mean so many. I should quit,
I should give up this, you know, like those moments
and then not quitting because you know the classic mem
or inspirational poster of the guy digging and gold there's guys.
(50:17):
And that's also because it's like, but there might be something.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
But you know what though, once you once you overcome that,
can't tell you oh, yeah, because you did it. You
you are living on like and I say that we
and rechalking.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
You kind of know the formula to what gets you there.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Well at least what got you there.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So you're kind of going, I'm putting the shoes and
socks on my kid's feet from something that came out
of my brain.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
And when you when that happens and you realize, oh man,
this works and people like this and there's a market
for this and this is an actual product, that's when
it's just like, can't nobody tell you nothing, dude, because
you made it.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
You do it. This is taking nothing turning it into something,
and it might give you everything, yes, but it could
take everything, right, Yeah, don't you be writing a song
upstairs upstairs.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Sure that's strong, that's strong man.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, so what would be let's.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Because we talked about this too, if because this sounds
different now right, like yeah, I mean you came up
with we all had, like I said, different catalyst cornerstone
dues to help us get through here. But to a
guy that doesn't have anything, right, to a guy that
doesn't have any connections, what do you say to that
guy who busses in with a pocket full of songs
(51:41):
and goes, man, I want to write country songs for
a living.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
How do you tell what? What advice do you have
for that guy? I think you know engulfing yourself in
midtown and going, like I'm not saying, go to bars
to get hammered. Go hang out at the bars, get
to meet people, don't be don't don't overstep like, don't don't.
There's a fine line between wearing somebody out and then yeah,
(52:08):
be cool, chill, relax because you're gonna if you just
show up and stay around. And if you really, if
you really got the sauce. It the sauce is the
sauce you don't you know, there's no amount.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
Of you either got it.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
You either got it you don't. If you got it,
if you're doing these things, I believe if you engulf
yourself in the scene, you make a few friends that
you're writing songs with, meet people, don't make an ass
of yourself, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know, don't drink too much.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Don't drink too much, seriously, because don't don't drink too much.
And this town can chew up and spit you out
if you do, because then you're that guy. But but
if you if you're the worst writer in the room,
that's a great thing for the first little while, if
you can just sit there and learn and kind of
see and realize that you don't know everything. And then
I'm still talking to myself. There's there's rooms I'm in
(52:56):
whereas where I'm just like, hey, guy, you know, I'm
gonna get out of the way here, I think. But
but write a thousand songs. Don't don't say I've got
I've got twenty songs. I got to hit here. It's like,
write one hundred songs, right, just keep writing because you're
gonna get better. I listened to songs I wrote three
(53:17):
years ago, four years ago where I'm like, well that
wasn't that good, but it was. I couldn't wait to
get it. Songs that didn't get released that I was like,
we got to put this out, And now I'm like, oh,
thank god, I never put that out.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
That just goes to show. I mean, I'm thirty two
and there's kids moving in here, twenty three, twenty four
years old, and they feel like they're racing times. Like, bro,
take it easy. You got time if you can, if
you can understand, you got to pay the bills. But
you know, and I would also say, be weary now
if you want to be a musician. Broadway is a
good place to get in a band, because me and
my guys we'll go sit at Roberts I've and try
(53:50):
to pluck players for the road.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
Be be weary of wanting to be a singer and
getting stuck singing on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
You can just stuck down there, Yeah, muddy down there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
But writers around listening room, get in some rounds, meet
some people in rounds, go to rounds, listen to what
people are singing. That's what we did, bro, we were
we grinded out the tippler. Uh what was on Commodore?
What was the one over on next to McDougal's by
Vanderbilt tapas.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Happened, still, yeah, that's right behind Sam's. Remember Sam used
to be there gas.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Still I don't that one might still be there. I
know they got one on eighth now and it's still
gas that honey hot.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Right now, let's talk about your hiatus. You took?
Speaker 4 (54:52):
What take?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (54:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
We're both dads, so we understand the we're not we're
not touring dads, but we're we're dads in this industry.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
And no kind of the tolls, Uh it takes on you.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
What was your mindset kind of taking some time off
to spend with some family.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
It was just you know, really Rhyman getting to the
age where we FaceTime when I'm on the road and stuff.
And it went from like him being too and not
really understanding that I'm going to actively asking like why
are you going? Why are you not here? He knows
them on the road, He know you singing songs, are
you with Uncle Morgan? All these things? But it's like
(55:36):
it just continuously was like be home, stay home, don't leave,
and he got he like associates me putting my boots
on if I put my boots on, He's like, are
you leaving? And you know, like that's sucks, so so so.
And the routing for that month was kind of insane,
like it wasn't nothing crazy. Sorry if I pissed you
(55:59):
off by not being there, But I don't regret it
because we got to spend a month at home. I
haven't spent a month in our new house since we
moved in, since we moved in. Really, No, it's always
been three or three or four years ago. No, it's
been a little over a year. But still even you know,
even winter break we went, we went on a vacation,
but it was with a two year old. It wasn't real.
(56:19):
It wasn't real vacation. This time got to be home.
So what'd you do?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
You just said I'm out for a month, and then
you had stuff booked. I had shows bo I didn't
know that. Yeah, I thought you were just like, hey,
I'm taking No.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I think it was like a I think it was
like eleven shows I had to cancel.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
That's the thing, though, that it was that important to you.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah, And I don't regret it at all because I
got to have a summer a July with my three
year old, like, we go because you are.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Never you would never get that time back. You'll never
get that time back, man, And and and I got to.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Go play a county fair again. I can do that,
of course, man.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
And as much as you want to play for your
fans and your fans want to see dude, you got
to do what's right for you.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yes, you got to be selfish.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
And by the way, this time, my fans were I
didn't see one. The only I saw two negative comments,
and they're hilarious and they're and I know that they
probably are roommates or like their best friends. Dude, one
of them, one of them was like damn it. One
of them was like, don't be a h what did
he say? It was like it was such a brain
(57:20):
rot comment. But because I know the dude was like
probably nineteen or eighteen, like I will say, he called
me a jackpot or something I've never something I've never
been called and he's like, come on, bro, like, don't
be that uh. And then like thirteen minutes later, an
almost identical comment from like this similar profile picture. I
(57:42):
was like, y'all know they're definitely playing Xbox right now.
Let's come on only two mildly, they weren't. I wasn't
even mad at him. The rest everybody else was super understanding.
I mean, if you have kids, you definitely understand. If
you don't have kids, uh, you can still understand. I mean, dude,
I haven't since co since we came back from COVID,
(58:03):
I have not not been touring. Like I've had a
little break here and there, but I've also had a newborn.
And this was like the first real breath of air
I've gotten to take in like four years.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
So I went with Loot last year. I went on
the road. I did a year with him. And I
always say this when when we start talking about touring
and stuff, everybody thinks that you guys make bajillions of dollars.
And I'm not saying that you do or you don't.
But what I am saying is whatever you do get
paid for that ain't enough. No, it ain't enough because
you were missing moments of life in order to give
(58:38):
the fans. And look, yes, there are people putting shingles
on roofs and all that, I get it. I'm not
saying that, but there is something nice about being able
to turn it off at four o'clock and be present
and be home, you know what I mean. And when
you're road dogging like that, you never turn it off
because the second you get home, you got two days.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Before your back out.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
And you gotta you gotta, you gotta right, you gotta
mow the yard, you gotta wash your clothes. I mean,
there is no time for nothing, dude. And I really,
I genuinely I think the reason that that that touring
artists make, you know, always pulling in twenty million this
year or whatever. Well, dude, how much is your life worth?
You know, it's it's a it's a sacrifice, man. You
(59:20):
all make a sacrifice.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
For sure, And and you know those there's very few
guys making twenty million. Sorry, no, I know, I mean
it definitely ain't me sure, And but I know it
does cost a couple of million to tour. And so
if you got to make a couple of million to
make a dollar, that's what nobody sees. Yeah, So like
I got seventeen people to pay two buses. Thank God literally,
(59:47):
thank God for writing songs and that that I have that, yeah,
and and it takes the pressure off it. I'm okay
if I if I need to take a month. I
really love my fans. I think I have awesome fans
who some have been there since I was snow and
some are just starting now and then, and they're great.
(01:00:07):
But the songwriting has given me the ability to say
no to something absolutely so that I can be home
the little bit I can be sure. You know, how
do you feel coming off that month ready to get
on the road. Yeah, it's been it's been awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Fresh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yeah, it's like I had a real summer. I definitely
haven't had a summer break in forever. So like we
went to Florida, classic vacation donuts, riding a bike, all
the stuff I was wearing on clouds and khaki.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Shorts, father the whitest dad on her father mother.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I started wearing polo shirts. I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I ask uh, I don't know who I asked this
last but but it's a guy who's chasing the artist
career and and and it's kind of caught it. But
has also written hit songs and written a lot of
them like yourself, Like what is it in you that
drives you? Because you don't have to you don't have
to go play shows, you don't have to be an artist.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
You can. You could stay at home and and and
write songs for Morgan and you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Sound like my wife probably probably.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
What what what is it in you that makes you
have to go do that?
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It's always been there. I just I love entertaining. I
love singing songs. That there's some songs that I write
that I already know they're not mine. Uh, and those
are the ones that end up getting cut. But songs
that I cut, it's like I want, I want my
voice on songs that are you know, I'm proud of.
(01:01:42):
Maybe I'm a narcissist or maybe every artist does this,
but like when I'm making a record, all I listen
to is what I'm making, and then once I put
the record out, I don't listen to it unless I'm
playing it on stage. But like, I listen to myself,
and that's how I learned. And I I'm an honest
critic of myself. But I know when something's good and
no it's some is not, and I can build off that.
(01:02:03):
And yeah, I just I think that I was, like
I was saying, I think I have a responsibility to
make a statement in the name of country music and
our forefathers and to be an example to kids that
are five and six years old now that will be
thirty and oh he kept it real, and I think, yeah,
(01:02:24):
I can't. I can't necessarily do that as just a songwriter.
I can write those songs, but I think being the
guy that can stand on stage and sing it and
preach is that that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
You've raised a bunch of money with your invitational for
Second Harvest Food Bank. Explain that to us a little
bit and where your heart is and that that project.
Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Man, Second Harvest has been awesome to me. Craig Wiseman
traditionally has done the Stars for Second Harvest show at
the Ryman. I think what thirteen or fourteen years of it.
And he took me to breakfast a year ago and
I was like, I don't know what. I thought, He's
gonna hand me the keys a big laugh. Dang didn't happen. Yeah, no,
(01:03:10):
it didn't happen, but he but it was super cool
because it was the last thing I expected. He asked
me to take over his uh Stars for Second Harvest
show and association with Second Harvest and carry that torch
and in doing so and having that relationship with them.
I was just thinking of other ways we can, you know,
raise money, and who doesn't love a golf scramble and
(01:03:33):
we do? Yeah, I know. Well now it's brother y'all
should sponsor brotherrens hunt, sponsor a hole golf out of
a shotging or something. We shooted a turkey maybe, Oh
that's cool. We could have a turkey kill. Not even
a hunt, just a turkey kill. Turkey slaughter has like
(01:03:53):
twenty five turkeys in it. You kill it, you get
a zero on the hole. Oh yeah, dude, we'll talk
more about But it's great. I mean, look, I've gotten
to meet and get to know some pretty cool people.
So it's cool to like make that ask to have
people come and be a part of it. And uh,
and it's for a good cause. I've been blessed beyond
(01:04:16):
belief and to be able to give back to Tennessee
in that way. It's like the food bank itself is
already stacked with food. They're never they're never going to
run out of food. But the money we raise is
going in to the trucks, so they're immediately immediately gassing
the tanks and taking food everywhere. And and it's it's great.
(01:04:38):
I mean, I think it's the largest food bank there is,
the JP Morgan of food Banks, JP Moore Chase Bank Regions.
Everything's Morgan with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Hey, let's do the uh, let's do the things the
uh what.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Were o timers not plugged in? I've been looking at it,
but it's wor we've been in that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Uh, let's do uh we I can't even remember. Do
we do this one first?
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Or we do they the one that got it away
or the graver?
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It's the one got away if I close, but do
it again.
Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
It's the one that got away there.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
That's John Mayer ten penny.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Do you remember the what is?
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
What are we doing? What's the segment are we doing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
When they got away? Let's just do that one.
Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
I'm sure that was a thing you had to say.
It's the part of show for the one all of
our songs kind of sound.
Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
One got away?
Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Uh? It could be a deer fish.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
An hour already, man, I don't know how long it's been,
but I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Okay, Warren brothers can wait on me.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
They can.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
She got the Israel Brothers right now, that's right. And
you know what, tell the Warrens We're coming. Reese can
figure it out and write a song without me his blood.
Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Let me come and hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Let me come her way to spill Reese. By the way,
I didn't know whether to call him Rise or always
call him Rise dude.
Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
How about fun fact, Delaney's mom named him, My wife's
mother named Reese. What They go way back? Because Rob Royer,
Delaney's dad, and Rivers used to work together back in
the nineties. Rob wrote Grundy, Delaney's dad wrote sold action
with I went down to the Grundy County Action. I
(01:06:41):
saw something that I just had.
Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
My mind told me I should proceed with cush.
Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
And I said, he wants you to give me a sign.
I do anything to get mine own mind. I have
never seen anyone that's so fine, man, I gotta have it.
Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
She's one of the kind. I'm going going twice. I'm
sold to the lady in the second rule. She's an age,
she's a nice I don't know. She's got ruby red
lisbond hair, blue hat, my heart good.
Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yeah. So Robin Rivers used to work together back in
the day, and they Delaney and uh Rivers daughters the
same age. They went to school together. And when Reese
was born, I guess her mom is around and they
were picking names, and she's like, Reece, I love Rivers.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
MANA Rivers is the best.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
He's just got this white he's like John. He's like
he's like if John dunn't worth.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
He's got this white deer, the flannel, long sleipe bubby
walking down He'll be walking down Division carrying a guitar,
wearing a cowboy hat on his way, with his shirt
halfway on, but looks so fine cut dip in dude.
Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
If I was like a fifty year old woman, I'd be.
Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Like, Rivers are out of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Swag on he does.
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
It could be a song, buck. I'll tell you what
my high the truck I had in high school. I
was going to say a song which would be holy Water.
Jason al Dean cut it. It was Craig Wiseman's first
Jason al Dean cut. I wish I'd kept that song,
but it's Jason now Dean cut. Not complain with that,
Not mad at that? I am mad my ninety eight
(01:08:25):
f one fifty maroon. I sold it to a friend
named Ormond, who I don't know where he is. On
the face of the earth, and I definitely don't know
where that truck is. And god, dude, I know that
I know that thing is just munted. I wrecked it
kind of and his beat how what model was? It
was a ninety eight single cab F one fifty maroon.
(01:08:48):
It had one bedrail on it because one got stolen.
Who steals a bedrail? That's a hard thing to take
off of a truck, Not with a screw, not with
a I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I mean Nolan's will oh, never mind the understand.
Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Who steals a bedrail?
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Somebody?
Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
You want to go on to the next question fast.
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
We need to move on.
Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Huge truck.
Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
My truck. I miss it, ol Red.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
All Red, No, we just did that favorite song, greatest slash.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Favorite could be a country song, could be a rap song,
could be whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the explanation on this is
that it doesn't have to be the greatest song of
all time. It's like, it's what's that cornerstone of my Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
It'd be like I'd say, it's either that's the way
love goes or Angel flying too close to the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Here, you play it first course one.
Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
If you had nod had fallen, I would not have
found you.
Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Angel flying to close to the ground. I patched up
your broken wings, hung around a while m hm, trying
(01:10:19):
to keep your spirits up, and you'll fever it down.
Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
I knew someday.
Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
You'd fly away. Flow is the greatest tealer.
Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
To be found. So leave me if you need to.
Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
I will still remember Angel flying too close.
Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
To the ground. Come on, that's killer.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
You smashed that way.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I could have played that man. That was fun. I
told you that he's cool. I like this podcast. We
all need a third ever.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Just just come on any time.
Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
What's up with your part? Are you ever going to
bring it back? Think? I just did? Actually you just
brought horse back? Brother the brother? Yeah, just being brother. Hey,
can we take you hunting sometime? Please? I would love you.
I've only done a Rivers Rotherford pheasant hunt.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh no, please come home with take me. I would
love so much fun. Take me, take me, take me so.
Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Mueah man, And I mean I think you would actually
you know, I'd love it. You would love it and
you would.
Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
We went out in bald in Ar fifteen.
Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Shot we did, Yeah, we did with a banana clip
and just a single shot, just a single shot. Remember
keeping it clean.
Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Hey, I would love to go hunting. Please go with us.
Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Heyn.
Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Thanks, thanks for being the first in the in the
new studio, bro, the new, the new swags.
Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Dude, I don't need your rocking sare Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Let me tell you this. The town loves you. We
love you Country music. Thank you for doing what you
do and for making the music that you make, and
we appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Thank you for being a good guy.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Thank you, Thank you for hurn us everybody, thanks for
having hanging out God's Country.
Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
See you next time, all right,
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