Ep. 44: Rob Hatch on Deer Season, Writing Hit Songs, and the Traler Park

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's Up.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're off in God's Country with three and Dan As
was also known as the Brothers Hunt, where we take
a weekly drive to the intersection of the country and music
and the great outdoors.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
You're my asthma.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Wheezy going to do two things they go together, like
the second week in November and being in the deer
stand in the Midwest there ain't nothing better or.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
The suckond wind on the side of a mountain and
being from Tennessee. This podcast is brought to you by
Meat Eater and i Heeart Podcasts.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
One of our favorite dudes in Nashville songwriter, a giant
boat hunter. I mean he lives and breathes it, goes
out west every year to Illinois and hunts big deer,
goes out to Colorado, hunts big up with his bow
every year.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Does it by himself.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Been in the biz for a minute, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, man, just one of the best cats that you'll
ever meet.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, supportive, totally and totally just uh excited about your
journey and to help you along with your journey and
do not really want anything from you. It's kind of selfless. Cat.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Rob Hatch was out with us in God's Country today.
He was a part of a group from about two
thousand and one to twenty twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen dominant.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Dominated the industry. Like there ain't no telling the number
of hits that came from their six group, Guy Trailer Park.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
And the beautiful thing is that it was a very
organic up uprising, right, Like totally came no tricks, no tricks,
no scammy, no money, just talent and good dudes and
doing man absolutely and they came up together. It's a
pretty cool story. You're going to enjoy hearing that.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeap, So check that out. Rob Hatch is with us.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Thank y'all for the support, Thank you for the love,
thank you for the followers, thank you for the smashies,
thank you for the what's a smashy smashy that follow button?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Oh that's so hip, dude. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm tiktoky bro. Yeah, cap, I'm pop locky tip tcky.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's enough.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Thanks for handing out guys country See later, man.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I am so excited, dude, we go back, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I was trying to think, like how we met Rob
and was it through was it through Southwest?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I believe it.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I believe it was Abram. Did y'all come up with Abram?
It was before that y'all came up with Paul Jenkins.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I can't remember who invited us, Like I was trying
to remember who invited us.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
I remember the both of you and Megan. I remember
the three of you coming up. Meghan Patrick and three
of y'all came up to home.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Was there?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, but we were doing it, I mean before that, yeah, man,
like I designed the website.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah, like we were just starting it.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Literally was just been you. I mean you might I
think I feel like you might have just maybe me
and you ran into each other somewhere or something, and
I was like, can't you a big deer song? And
He's like, you had to come up? We got this thuny.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I couldn't remember.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
We're talking about Southern Illinois Whitetail Connection, the spot in Illinois, Fairfield,
Illinois that Rob's a part of, and we had some
good This this deer right here actually came from from
that spot.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's my first that's my first ever bow kill with with.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
That was a great day.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I lost my pub I lost my swear so hard.
I was canceled days. I never got days with the artist,
and I was getting them. I was canceled on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Go you saw in the stand with the two of
you that story. I told that story a thousand times,
trying to tell it like you seeing the monster deer
through the woods with the head turning, and tell it.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, I was. I mean, I know where I was hunting,
but it was, if I'm remembering correctly, a jeep or
something had come around the block of woods that I
was in and I'd been sitting there forever and to
the point where I was like, man, I ain't no
dere out here, you know what I mean, I've been
there that we spent that much time up there because
that was pre kids, so we had like, oh, dude

(04:23):
and bro, I spent two way too much time over that.
And I hadn't thought about that deer in a minute.
But now that you say that, I remember seeing the
gray skin saggy like his brisket was like when he
was running. You know how you see a dude that's
like lost a ton of weight running on the side
of the road and have his shirt on and skins
like kind of That's exactly what this deer was doing

(04:46):
coming through the woods and I was like, I was
trying to get to my bowman he was and he
was doing and he was like angring his head to not.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
And I was like, he said, it sounded like little
olle sluggers hitting trees.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Its just popping trees and cracking and going. And I
was just like, that's by far the biggest dear I've
ever since. Remember that morning I saw two shooters in
the same morning.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
That's right, And and bro, that's like that's coming from.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's no bigger than this freaking That was kind.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Of like maybe our introduction to Midwest London.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Woke me up to like the cat that you're y'all's
place for sure woke me up to the cow like
understanding the caliber of deer up there versus what the
entire my entire life. Well, and at that time I
was brand new.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Yeah, we were just starting.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I was learning it like you guys were, you know.
And I saw your.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Face when you came down from the stand and I'm like, well,
I didn't see anything.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
You're like some cheep chunky was mudding up on the
on the hedge row and I was like, man, this
so bitch is rood of my dude, I'm telling you
it was. It's it's like, you know, man, when you
see that when you go to college for the first time, okay,
and that girl comes out and you're like, they do

(06:11):
not build them like this is that's different? Is that's
different awakening here and I am not worthy of that.
Like That's exactly how I felt about that deer when
he was coming through that. I was like, oh, man,
I mean, I'm gonna try to sling an arrow, but
I'm shook.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Okay, here's a question. Now that you had killed a
monster deer, what do you score that deer at and
you're the only one saw it?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Minimum one ninety minimal? Yeah, minimal, honestly kind of the same,
you know what, man? I mean it was it was
pretty quick, but I think the deer I saw in
Illinois had more mass It was a massier, but it
was that same white, like bone white. I mean, do

(07:00):
you see a deer with Mega twos and like just
megaging twos and you're immediately like, hits you in your guns.
But that deer particularly had Mega twos Mega three. When
you see that whole thing going on and there's not
a whole lot of loss and timely and the mass

(07:21):
is just it's it changes thing, it'll shake the most
seasoned got it together, huh. And it did me. It
put me in a spot where I couldn't even see straight.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
And we never and we never killed that deer. We
never got him on camera. I mean I land blasted
that place with cameras after.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
You saw that, I know what I saw, man, And
I tell you the other deer that shakes me. Man.
You remember in that lodge, there's those two eight points
locked up that Yeah, the bro.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
That's just Steve's dad fan, granddad fan.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's right? Or no, that remember the trail camp picture
we had of that eight and the same Halloween that Halloween.
But do you remember, dude, I mean he looks ill
sleep over that Brian.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Roman Roman nose.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, the mass at the basis was just so Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
That was the first year we'd kind of land blasted
cameras and we got to really look at some of
those because they had some of them had been shot
with cameras on those properties before.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
So we got a lot of pit y'all saw all
of them.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean we were all like, how old is this
deer that bottom?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
How can you not find that something that big. I mean, yeah,
you know, it's like, dude, that's a really good point,
especially when everything's cut like we were talking about, like
you're talking about I mean, arguably, I don't know what
you are to do. Jos deer go with the three
eighty do I now? How is that way?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh gosh, that not.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
What I mean. The real big ones might get that
high their mid twies.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Probably, But man, I remember just being like, this is
a different this is not like it's it's almost like
we were playing high school ball.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's the big leagues from the rut.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
When a lot of them are getting killed, they've lost
a lot of weight at said time. So I mean,
if you could weigh them, if you killed them in
October right at the beginning, you'd be interesting to what
they weighed in. We don't kill a lot of big
deer early. It's it's yeah November on usually, well they
you know, you'll what are your seasons up there? Tell
October first, it'll it'll come in right.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
But then you tried like everyone's like that, I'm gonna
kill them right away.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I'm gonna go ahead of my pattern. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Ahead and came over that changed, Well, they could start
cutting corn the same time.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Sure, So remember the one behind the camp where I
saw I had two one hundred and sixty inch deer together.
Still right at the beginning of the season, they were
coming four days in a row to the same opening
in the gate. Perfect wind. I'm like, I got it.
So I slide back there with my boat and I
slide up the stand and they do exactly. They come
out of cornfield. I'm watching them come out of the

(09:52):
corn transition into the woods at twenty yards broadside. Now
they came out twenty minutes early, so I can only
see the outline of them right, and I probably could
have stuck one, but out of the poor I couldn't
tell which one was with that's how dark it was. Sure,
So I'm like, perfect win, perfect win. Tomorrow I'll let
them deer go and tomorrow go back to the camp.

(10:13):
Decided not to hunt the morning, hunt somewhere else in
the morning, come back the afternoon. Corn was gone. They
had skin the whole change with the hole, Well, they
just want there. They're not sleeping in the corner transitioning
to the woods.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Change immediately.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So you know the beginning of.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
The season and and it changes what he plants first
to what he cuts first. Sure, so I haven't been
able to go, Okay, he's gonna cut this property the
first end.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Of the first week of October. Do you feel what
those farmers are on like a year as far as
year to year are tied to that schedule or do
you think it's kind of weather dependent and kind of
what's going I.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Think I'm not smart enough to be in the farming business,
and I learned to stay out.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of it, Like I don't I let the far.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
I'm gonna be the farming And if he chose to
pick or plant at a certain order or time, you
just go.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
He just he had his reasons for doing it.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
He doesn't have to blame me what he did. You know,
I can go by the rule of the He'll transition
from corn to beans like whatever's gorn one year will
be next year.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Every time it is a rule.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
He's playing some canola this time and stuff and know
what it'll do?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, what did you do with We have no idea.
We'll find out. But it's just a new thing.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
They're trying to Crop hunting in the Midwest is something
that that this is rob hatchball. No, No, we're gonna yeah, Yeah,
we're gonna We're gonna give that.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, it's gonna be one of those podcasts. Man, this
is our boy. We're just gonna hang out to that.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
But Midwest hunting like figuring out that and figuring out
like how to hunt huge bag and and and the
cut schedule and and and and so, oh my goodness.
It's it's different than just like in the South, where
like you just find a good trail and you put
a stand on it and hunt a good wind.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
That ain't that ain't the case.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
You get a better idea of betting food.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Man. The whole picture just kind of get to watch
deer be deer as opposed to like in the South,
where it's.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Like everything everything's betting.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Everything's in the acorn flat everything, and everything's covered, I.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Mean right, and they're like said, the deer in the
fields like when the crops are there, the deer in
the corner that beans, that's where they're.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
At and milo they are living in there.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
It makes a lot of sense to when you think
about it. If they've got water, they've got covered, they've
got food.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Right, I mean every field we got has got a
pond in the middle of it at some point, so
there's water right there.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
They're laying in the food. They just don't have to
go very far. How big I mean, like I'm trying
to remember. I mean those those fields and Kansas are
I mean, they're the same size as the fields of Illinois, Like, yeah,
a couple of hundred acres, yeah, I acre fields, giant act.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Four hundred to six hundreds probably you.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Know, a block, a lot of.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Cons yeah, I mean, and we got I mean, we
are super fortunate to get to look at a lot
of property. Yeah, I mean, you know he's playing you know,
ten eleven thousand acres.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, so it's just a lot, and it's all it's
not consecutive, it's pieces, man. And we were talking about
that a couple of podcasts ago. That that to me,
I mean, look, if you have the luxury to do it,
I get it. Ground stuff to come by these days,
but I had almost rather have instead of one giant

(13:35):
continuous which is great, but it's kind of nice to
have fantastic multiple things because things going on over here
that aren't going over well, you don't.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Drive through people's spot, you don't bust spots like in
our case, it is if you pick a stand, you
picked a property, so there's nobody else on your.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You picked, you got your own herd right in.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Every property we tried to set up to word, it's
our best spot, and you know, so it's like, you know,
they all have parking spots on each side, and they
all have north and south wind stands, and.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know, here's wasn't that set up last time? We
were like, oh, just be careful about that ditch. But
once you you can get across it, just part out there.
But you see what reads started. You see here it's
a podcast.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Terrible time to bring an app up, but started well,
me started talking about ways to put apps and stuff
together to not have to have guides, and so we just.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Slipped into the camera.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Everything this is my ask.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You can pause on you too. Everything purple is our property.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
So each one is set up to where here's the parking,
here's the X, and here's the wind, here's what's you know, corn,
here's what's beans, here's what's greens. Here's so just trying
to do what we would all do.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And doing that year after year after year.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Man, you know those spots in those places and eventually
you kind of know those deer sure, like the back
of your hand.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
A little bit. We started to learn tricks. You know,
Jake's looking watching them all the time, shout out Jake.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, absolutely, you know.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
It's uh, you know, running lots of cameras and staying
away from them. Like we've learned to. You know, we
don't go in after beginning of August. Like, none of
our properties get touched by anything. It's not a tractor,
No putting upstands, no putting in other cameras.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
No giving them a few couple of months of nothing.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Those deers they'll find it. They'll find whatever's not getting
messed with. That's right, as I do. That is absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
And you know we've said this before, but like because
kids kind of made us do that, they made us
slow down, even though we did not want to slow down. Sure, honestly,
the movement on our properties has been better since we're
not just sure hunting the hell of us.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
You do a lot of mental hunting, planning and strategy
and and how how can I get to this spot
in the right wind? How can he not get on me?
How can I set it up with every favor in
my advantage and him still comfortable.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
The dear naturally doing in that moment. Is it pre
rush right? Is it post rut? Is it dry? Changes weekly?
A lot of rain food plots doing good? Are they
dirt and not doing anything?

Speaker 5 (16:22):
We like ilinoy. You get a good rain, get it
a good rain, a two inch rain. You have to
really consider whether you can get to the stamp. Really,
you to depend on what it's Is it a load spot?
It's spot. You know that punch y'all used to hunt.
You went pack load to get to that past.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
I remember a couple of people got the early morning
Sunday was about thirty degrees.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
They dumping in ditches. That waste time coming out frozing
like it's flat, it'll be easy to bow everything.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
What was that little red you remember that little red Polarius? Yeah,
I still got the first model ever made that things
maybe was an eight or so read. We're stuffed in
that thing driving to that probably like two footballs and
it's a monitor and a church saw man. We were like,
I was hanging out at the side driving that thing.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
The money gave me that for doing a show.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
That's going.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
At it.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
We got to the point I was like, man, is
this youth? I appreciated that.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
I can't put my backpack. It was one of their
little sport.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Small. Yeah, we were hauling.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I don't know, as a hunter, if there is a
better feeling then getting to about that two thirty spot
in the afternoon, when when it's in November and you're
gearing up to get ready to go to the stand
and driving to that afternoon that is one of the best.
And in that polarious man just mind going crazy because out.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
There, bro, you never know.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Man, everybody a.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Cod front.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Bro, it is the best dear moving front coming in. Hey.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Man, we've got multi hit song right sixteen, including I
Don't Dance by Lee Brice, If Everyone So Far Away
by Justin Moore, big deer killing, big bass wrangling man,
one of our favorite people in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
We got robbed and guy, you.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Guys refer to him that man, he's such a a
thread in the fabric of our hunting and music and
friends and mentorship. And not to make you old, but
you really did.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
You had some not young, yase you ain't either.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Now that's still ringing my head occasionally, I'm like, yeah,
Rob said that, well, I'm really proud of you guys. Man.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Y'all, y'all have just grown and thrived in every way man,
and the music and your your home lives and your careers,
and I'm just really proud of you guys. I knew
you were going to man, y'all were y'all were well
on your way. Many see the lis you could see
that we couldn't.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's kind of been the the I feel like the
best part of this of God's Country, man, is like
the relationships we've had from the beginning of town, where Dude,
you don't know what's gonna happen. You're not gonna know
if you're gonna be here in five years, you don't
know where anybody's gonna be, what anybody's gonna be doing
to sit here and and and kind of reminisce on

(19:25):
the good, good and bad from everybody's journey in this town, man.
This crazy freaking ride that we all do, Like, that's
kind of been the most rewarding part of God's Country
for us.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
It was like America when it works, ain't no doubt, man,
ain't no doubt.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Come on, look at that. That got me because that
is exactly these thighs. Bro, these chickens.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Way have you lost dude? What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Honestly, dude, I just am not eating ship anymore. I
had to, man, I had to choose.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
You lost a small child, dude, Yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Mean maybe my five or six year old due, it's
just a child. Just well, I got two really small.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Not you at five years old, but it lies five
years old.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Want me at five years old.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
For everybody trying to lose weight out there, if you
lose lots of weight, God will give you a two
hundred inch year, I guess.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
So motivation, it was like, babies bring number ones. Losing
weight brings to.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
You the way I said, And me and LC we've
been going through this together. Man. It's like, bro, we've
been eating whatever the hell we wanted probably for forty years.
It was time, and you know, you get to a place, man.
And when we talked about it last podcast, it seems
like there's a common thread and our age folks right now,
like hey, man, if I don't clean this up, I'm
gonna die.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And that's kind of where I was, and I got
I got more to live for right now than I
ever have.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know, when the babies pop, dude, and and uh,
you know they ready to hang out and run. Man,
you want I want to live for them. Many for
a while I didn't. I don't really care their way.
It was kind of just like, man, how do I
kill big deer and write big songs and eat big hamburgers?
You know, that's kind of like all we cared about.
And uh, you start trapping it back and you realize
that you got other people depending on you for there.

(21:11):
And I say this all the time, but it's like
Liz Boone and but dude, they didn't. They didn't pit
me as their dad. Like, that's what they got and
that's my responsibility. I brought them, well, God brought them,
but I helped to bring them into this the vessel existence.
So like, and let that be a lesson to dads
out of there, dude. Like a lot of the people

(21:31):
we surround ourselves with are good, solid dads. But there's
some dudes out there that need to take some responsibility
and put them and stop putting themselves first and put
them kids first. Man, It's about them, dude. I mean,
you know, we love to hunt. I mean we love it.
We eat, sleep and breathe it.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
The kids are the most family's the most important thing
that's got to be handled first. And when there's time
to hunt, we go hunt.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
And you know, I remember, I remember some days where
he was like, oh, I gotta go, I gotta go. Man.
We're like, brother, the front's rolling in tomorrow, and you're like,
I know, Dan, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
When we started the club, I had babies, I had
I was like, okay, yeah, your's about where. This terrible
time for me to get more time.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
To get mid West Op Virginity.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
You know. So you start going, you narrow it down
to Okay, I'm going to take this sixth day here,
and I'm going to come for this weekend and for
this weekend, and I have to be cool with it
because everything's too slam for me to you know, I'm
gonna slide up on Thursday when the front comes in. Yeah,
you'll miss the kids football.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Game on Friday night. So you just got we no,
can't do that. You start going, I can't get this week. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
So it's just like, okay, please let there be a
front next week.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
God plet.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Please let me all lose weight like that. Please let
it get.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Give me more time we all what you're mad?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Just tell us what it is. What you're mad? Is
it you in lost? Kids?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Might be your boss man or your neighbors cat.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Just tell us what you mad.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
You got little jingles round here?

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Rob next, y'all have a button that just plays.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Y'all talk about that so I don't have to mess
it up every time. Ironically, all of our songs sound
the same, though.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Bro, I'll tell you what I'm mad at.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's the style for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I missed another exit this morning. I just talked to
Rob and I was like, I'll be there five minutes.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
What's up with you miss an exit?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I think it's Siri, man. I think serious. I think
Syria needs to be checked on my phone. I think
something's going on because even last night we were coming home.
We played a gig north of National. Last nights was
it dude, is late? Like we didn't start till seven thirty.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
It wasn't late. It was now nine thirty.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I'm just saying, I'm asleep, but we're rolling down. We
get done rolling down. I call my wife and my
Hayes says, forty five minutes. I'll be home at forty
five minutes. She's all right rolling down twenty four coming
back into Nashville from Hendersonville area, we get to the
twenty four to sixty five split. My GPS is like

(24:30):
taking just go straight, it's all blue forty five minutes.
As soon as the sixty five split goes this way.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
All of a sudden, the thing on my truck turns
completely red gridlocked, and it.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Says an hour and seven minutes.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
I was like, it's like, I was like thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
So anyway, this morning, same thing Wedgewood. It's like, go straight.
I miss Wedgwood.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Wait, how do you not know to take Wedgewood.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I've always taken Wedgewood, but my I was trying to
get here faster this morning because I was late. Anyway,
told me go straight. It added like seven minutes my
drive anyway, So I had to go around downtown, get
up off of on a music Demumbrian, and go come
up through Demumbrian right there around the circle. Bro whoever
is in charge of doing construction in that part of town,

(25:23):
right there across from uh Tin roof and all that stuff, brokes,
just stop, man, just stop. Literally, it's been ten years
of traffic.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Cones and.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Trucks and green, yes in the vest. Man, he's got
job security because it ain't never gonna stop. Man, I'm
so I'm so sick of it.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Whatever national's progressing, but like, just let us have clean
streets for just a minute, man, just just a minute, dude, I'm.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
So sick of it. I'm so sick of it. I'm
not mad anything. I'm sorry. I tried going through my head.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Be glad of something.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Uh, I've killed a big deer recently.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh god, we all know. We all know my t
shirts fitting for well.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Head to the beach, no doubt it.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
I've got nothing, Rob pastor, Rob Black angus cows can
you won't after that on a hamburger we all learned
and up anyway.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
You read me so mad?

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm some mad.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Blew my l hunt, I mean, blew the whole thing
for me this year, this year, A couple of weeks ago. Yeah, September.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
So yeah, so we're out. I'm in Colorado. It's September,
first opening day of September. Second, I guess that time
you got on this. I have three days I come in.
It's tight, I have three days to hunt.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Do you do this every year?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Because you you do this every year.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Okay, Buddy might even leave on mc clouds to leave
by a place called Homestead Ranch, one of those beautiful
ranches I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I hunt the park up there, but I stayed with
these guys and.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
So it's it's early so they're not bugling, so you
almost almost spot it's opening day.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
They're not bugling.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
They're not they start bugling. If I'm estimating twelfth to fifteenth,
probably they start talking.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I go on the second it's opening day.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Why are you picking?

Speaker 10 (27:17):
You want?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You want first?

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Because I'm hunting the park and I don't want to
bunch yet, right you want?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
It's like it's harder hunt.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
It's like turkey hunt when he won't goggle.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
Right, Like they're just it's see them and get in position.
And because they'll cut them off, they'll come to a
calcol but they won't talk to you, so you won't
know they're coming, like you need to put eyes on them.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
So this is day I flew out, flew out and
I'm both hunting.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
I I'm with LEVI.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
We spot the elk at daylight up on the side
of the hill in a bald.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Spot in the aspens right, so there's a clear spot
in all those aspens.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
We can see that el turning out.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
It's just turning now.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So they like meadows like a meadow flies.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Right, it's four hundred yards up the mountain. Like we're
looking with.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Spot and scopes from way back. We go to make
the move on the elk. We go up the mountain.
You know, I'm.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Now, So he's like, come on right. We get up
to this bald spot. There is a patch of willows,
probably as big as this living room right like, it's
ten foot tall. I can't see through it. They can't
see me.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
So I'm going to get behind that patch of willows.
Leela is like, I'm going to be thirty yards below
you yards.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
We slid up to within one hundred yards of this elk.
In this bald spot there's this group of pack of
patch of willows I saw up behind the willows is cover.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
He drops down twenty yards away. It's gonna calcohol. I
found a path like a beat down trail right now.
A chance they'll come through this thing if they come home.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Right well, letting in state parks and national parks, they'll
do deals and pe can run cattle on them. So
there's angus cows running on this wild.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I mean running on the state park because I.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Can see some of these trails. They're going the cattle ranch.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I ain't tell the caw trail.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
So I'm standing on him cal trail side this mountain.
Else one hundred yards of the side. He's in the
edge of the aspens of the side of these willows.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Right, you got eyes on him, LEVI does, I'm behind
his willows. I need him to come down to here,
which he's feeding out anyway.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Perfect.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I've set there for maybe twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Levi's cow call and let the sit and give him
a cow can he'll let it sit. So I hear
something coming below me. Now I'm looking this way. I am.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I got to sit, hold my bows. I tell this story.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
So I'm like this right, I'm full camoed up. I
don't have a face mask on, face painted, don't face
mask on, waiting for this elk to come out behind me.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I hear movements.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
So I look over my shoulder and three black angus
cows are coming up the trail that I'm standing on.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
They're just walking.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Now I'm full camos and they can't ain't I'm there
at all, So now here's where a cow psychology. This
is where I got this where I'm mad at cow
because I don't know how to talk cow.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
So I'm looking and I hear they are walking over there.
He's gonna he's gonna come. He's coming to leave, by Joe.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
He's supposed to.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
So I'm looking back at this cow, the.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
The cattle, not a cow, right.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
But now she's five yards from me. Now she's about
by that backpack. She's right there, And I'm decided.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
How what do you say to a cow to make
them walk away the other way? Okay, let's think about that. Okay,
what is your move if a cow? How do you
because you're wanting to push the cow back?

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Not but not.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm not making any I'm not making any harsh.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So here's the three choices that came.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
To mine right away. Right away, I decided I can blink.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, I can head not or I can arm way
all little movements.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
None of them change my bow shot, None of them
changed my position.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Nothing right right now, it makes sounds, you just x
out sound you're not gonna go hey cow, the elk
is right there, I mean sound, it's not an off.
Maybe maybe I.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Wasn't smart enough to come up with that time. I
get it, you know, I just I mean, and this time,
at this point, I let.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
The cow get five yards. He's right there, So go ahead.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
What would you have done? What would you try?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean something like that. I think I would have
done little movements, maybe like a if she's not stopping,
maybe like a something like something just to get the attention.
Let the cow look at me and then make subtle
movements to try to nudget.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Is right here.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I think I'm ankles, okay, just to give him like
man instead of like eyesight. I think maybe just like
But you know what, dude, I'm thinking about that while
I'm sitting on the couch after eight hours of sleep.
You just hiked up a dang mountain. And I went
with the double blink. Okay, I went with the double blink,
double blank.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I went with trust me in cow that means run
like hell. Do not say double blink if you are
ever in said situation. Double blink is the wrong thing.
The cow that may get that down out tiles bolts.
I hear the elk bolt up.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
In the ass.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Leave He's like, yeah, I go, I don't speak town okay, handside, handside,
if you could go by, what would you do?

Speaker 5 (32:28):
I thought about it over and over a thousand times.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Would I have just stop? What would happen if you
just stayed still? I here's the deal.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
She's coming up. The trail's faster than the elk is
coming down. Have you ever seen so there's going to
be an interact. There's going to be an alternation.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Have you ever seen cattle mess with cow like mess
with elk like that?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Like if elk bother, I don't think I think anything
breaking and running because they're scared.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Of if it's if you would have left the cattle
just walk up, there was no way she.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Doesn't come head on too, like like I'm facing away
from her, so.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
She's gonna run into the trail.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Like even if she had scraped beside me, I would
have fell over and she would have both. I mean,
there's I was trying to think away she just yeah,
maybe I should have done it earlier, when she wasn't
five yards. Maybe at twenty yards, I give a hat way.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Maybe she walks then, yeah, sure, but but maybe not.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Because I got a feeling those cows out there are
probably a lot wilder that's skiddish.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, dude, I mean it was just but I but
back to the point is I hate black and black
cows for a little while, have you loved them?

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I hate hate them about I mean because there's like
a recent introduction of wolves as that messed with LEVI.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
They haven't said so yet. It made in the future,
and I didn't talk about it. Honestly, it wasn't. I
was in the woods.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I didn't want to talk about wolves. What's a recent
introduction up there? They just introduced they heard and I
read I'm not sure if this is for sure or not,
but one of the wolves had gotten a taste for
cattle and they had to actually, uh remove it. Yeah,
well remove the.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Wolf?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, pack, Yeah, really, I've heard was you've heard them.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
I've heard them, and I haven't seen I haven't And
I mean they could coyotes probably, I mean I don't.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I don't know that I know a wolf from a
coyote y, y'all. Never.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, I've heard that. It's a lot lower.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's like it's almost like a wean And we were
yeah that was that one.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, We're like we were like pictures and then we're like.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Okay, yeah, and black mace. I don't know if they
had in that park. I don't know if they have
wolves introduced.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
They're not. I'm sure I know Colorado, but I don't
know the man.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
When did when did that? And how did the elk
bug get you?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
My father in law took me seven years ago.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
Maybe I had taken him to Alaska king salmon fishing,
and he had said, Man, I want you to meet
this family called the Mclouds. He goes, I want to
duck some unlimited raffle twenty five years ago, and went
out and of these people and we became great friends.
And some of these beautiful places I've ever seen, and

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so he took me out there.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I don't know. As soon as I hit the mountain,
it was as soon as I heard an elk, it
was over for me.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
I was like, okay, to figure, well, it's it's turkey
hunting on steroids four.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Times and you man, you add the mountains, and you.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Add altitude and oxygen and how fast those elk move
and how little room.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
For messing up. There is a couple of blinks.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
It is the most difficult and the most fun thing.
It's very top of my list. I mean it is.
I am terrible at it.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
I get to hunt if I'm there three days. One
of those days I get to hunt with Levi and
it's like watching a master class and I'll see three
times more animals than I did with me hunting by
myself for two days. But just the challenge of it,
I just love it. And still I love the assmen, Yeah,
I love I love all of it.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Man, it's the one thing. It is the one thing.
All the West is magical man hunting anything on the West.
It's the one thing that we haven't done that I
know as soon as we do it, it's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
So well, let's fix that problem. It's over.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Like it's it's over for us, because like I love
bow hunt anyway, But like I can't imagine, and I've told.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
This, but like we were.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
I was walking through the Tetons in September one time
a few years ago, and there were four herds of
elk on either side of me, bugling their ass off,
and I was standing there with my pack on and
bro the feeling I felt right there.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
And I told my wife that's what I told my
Why I said, man, I said, it doesn't get any
better than this right here. I was like, the only
way it does as if I have a bowl on
my back and I'm trying to figure out what's going
to go after it, and I can't imagine what that
feels like.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
I'd be fine with a video camera. It's just breath
taking and watching those animals move and how they go
up and down cliffs, and it's just if there's a
difficult spotting the mountain to get.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
To, that's where they are.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
How big a boy are you? I mean, you know
you're planning your attack on I can't get there.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'm not mad enough to do that. I don't have
to find another way around.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
I mean, you know it is okay.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I know y'all's hunting schedule stays very full.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Y'all hold second week of septeenth. I'm telling you right now,
I lock her down week of September and let me
put some things together.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
A phone calls and it'll be dude, you'll be ruined. Oh,
I know it is.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
It's like I said, I'm gonna love of Colorado and
I'm gonna love that West, the all of it, learning
how to.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Do it, watching people that are really really good at it.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I mean some of the white white tail skills apply
the hunting skills in general learning habits.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
And I mean I've looked at wind wrong.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
You know, in the in the in the you know,
in the South, in the Midwest, there's you know, four
winds out there.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
They're looking at it three D. They're playing thermals, they're
playing up and down.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
So you know, at this time, the thermals are going
down and at exactly nine o'clock the sun's gonna peek
and warm that they're gonna shoot up, so you need
to be get up by then. And like like it's
just a hole they're looking at three D and it blows.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
It makes my brain melt.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah, when I'm I can't factor in as many angles
as he can.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, I'm trying. But it's you know, you and I
will talk about that in the parking lot before while
read was late and uh.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It was there is in construction to stop.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
There is no.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Okay, make sure I structure this sentence correctly. It's almost
like there's no fast pass two becoming like a woodsman. Correct.
I agree, it doesn't. It doesn't exist, and it's it's
like an equalizing I don't want to call it a sport,

(39:42):
but it's it's it's it's an equalizing activity that you
can't just now, look, blind squirrel finds the not dude,
I'm not gonna say that they don't. I'm saying, but man,
you have to. You have to be in it and
be around it and be absor ervant, like you're saying.
And nobody can just tell you this stuff. No, right,

(40:04):
you gotta shoot your bow, you gotta shoot your musloder
so that and it feels stupid at the time when
it's ninety eight degrees and there's a boxing out there
at fifty yards, but when John Deer's in front of
you and you're winded, you want to know that you
know how to get that cap in and out of.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Your breach easily well eving things like you think you're
quiet in the woods, think you're going slow, and you
think you're moving quietly, till you see somebody.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Move slowly quietly. You're like, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
I'm not flying, I'm super loud style.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah right, It's like, oh yeah, man, there's so many
And that's I think that's the thing. You know, you
were talking about the challenge of it, and and I
know you and I know you enjoy that almost as
much as the hunt is the challenge of what you're
trying to do. And man, there's just no fast pass
to it, like you just have to you have to

(41:00):
work through the challenge, and it makes it a whole
lot sweeter. On the other side, a lot like writing
songs as opposed.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
To just walking in Yeah, it's just like it's just
like anything else, experience. Experience is the best.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Teacher to learn.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
It's like, I learned enough, I mean from going out
there and I said seven times, but after this time,
I'm like, Okay, I need to start working on a
month earlier thought I was in shape. I'm not six
eight miles a day on top of those ridges. It's
not and me running in my tennis shoes that ain't
gonna work. I need running in boots because I'm gonna
have blisters on the sides of my heill smoking.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
On the mountains and that's a huge So it's not
flat terrain.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Yeah, so you jogging on flat terrain, you get on
side of the mountains and that the boots don't fit.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
The same time, Man, where did your love for the
outdoors come from?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Where?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Where did it start?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
From my father. I grew up.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
My dad hunted and fished, and you know, I grew
up in North Florida on a ranch, cattle ranch down there,
and outdoors is the only thing to do that.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sports and outdoors that especially all there was. So I
don't remember not being of the woods with my dad.
I mean he and we ran dogs.

Speaker 10 (42:04):
We did.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
It was not still hunting, not bowl hunting. It was
rifles and you know, everybody hauling ass around the woods
with trucks fulls of dogs and it was a blast.
But you know, the being outside is good for my soul.
Like I don't know, I'd be really hard to deal
with if I didn't get outside.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
If it's hell with anybody, I get it me too.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
I mean, if I don't have that, I can't if
you know, like going to Colorado and going to Illinois
and going duck hunting and going dub hunting and getting
go bass fishing, those are like the next.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Thing I really look forward to, right totally.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
It's like the Okay, we got a month worth of
killing ourselves, but we're going fishing three weeks, four weeks
from now.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
You know, it's the you know, it's where you you know,
and it's what we write about. It's totally you know,
it's working play for us. How did you That's a
great segue into like I kind of I kind of
know the story after your group of guys got together,
because I can remember riding.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Home, Oh my gosh, man, from you those some of
my favorite Those are some of my favorite.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Two and a half ide something like that, three and
a half, and I can remember you being like, all right, boys,
settle in. Yeah, this is and obviously we can't tell
that whole story, but like, dude, I remember you remember
we got out of the truck and I felt like
I had just like watched a movie or was in
a dream and was like, yeah, man, that's one of
the most amazing, like well thought out tales I've ever

(43:40):
heard in my life. Man, about so many people and
so much influence that all happened to pop at the
same time. And as well, y'all were very much there.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah I could, like I said, I can smell it
on y'all stuff y'all were doing, and you said it.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I say I say this all the time, storry interrupt
but you said yeah to us, and look, there's so
many people that their entire intention was to get on
the train with us, and they would say and do
and we didn't even know we were on the train.
We even know we were on the train, but there
were so many people that would say things and you

(44:15):
look back and like, oh, man, that guy was just
trying to get a co ride to get to Luke
or whatever. And bro, she was so honest and said, hey, man,
I've had this run that you're about to have and
the next five to ten years of your life are
going to be incredible, amazing, And it was and that
was it.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
There was no it is a cool if I got
a co ride. It's just like and you said, hold on.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Your time, and meanwhile we're driving back to our rental
house and we're like, man, but as long as keep
showing up down and the battle, no, I just appreciate that.
And it's so it was so true and I didn't

(45:00):
even understand it at the time, but it it's it
has been so true.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I've learned. I've not even knowing that I was learning
in the time, but I learned how to.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
To communicate with in our circle of friends and with
our artist buddies like better because of watching you with
with Dallas and you with Lee and Jamie and and
and Luke and all those cats.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Man that that like your group.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Man, I learned how to and honestly from you and
those those rides home like deal with a lot of
the ship that we've been through in town since then,
and you know, and having no clue and that's man
like having no clue that that's going on in that
truck when we're driving home, but it coming into practice,
you know, five years later.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Man. Well, y'all were just mean. Y'all were well on
your way.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Y'all, y'all had the y'all had a great kindred group
of brothers who were in it together.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Sure, y'all were all had the same goals.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
People were starting to get deals and and and and
I had heard your songs really good.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
And I really liked you guys.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
I mean, y'all have the podcast made y'all. Y'all were
so funny together.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
You know. It was like I said, we miss you
guys being up there. Y'all got to come home definitely.

Speaker 10 (46:14):
Will.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Can you walk me through your your first like interaction?
How did you bump into all your homies in Nashville?
All the My first I was a singer.

Speaker 12 (46:29):
I was uh.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
I wanted to write songs for other people. So I
never planned on playing and singing songs. I just wanted
to write for a great singers.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
That's my story.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
First guy, I met Nashville's guy named Jared Nemon. We
lived together for five and a half years. He basically
taught me. I knew nothing.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I didn't know what a post deal was and what
a record deal was. You just move up to try it, dude.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I had written five songs by myself to try to
get score ladies, and I didn't even.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Know it was a thing. I just didn't know it
was a job.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
We had.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
You don't want this whole story, but I had go
for some great stuff in there.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
So Jared and I lived together five and a half years.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
He basically taught me the business. We were out one
night and around heard five guys playing what year is this? Sorry?
Two thousand and one to three? Probably right in there.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
I'd left University of Florida and moved up here quick school,
A couple of classes left to UH to UH side.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Business's familiar classic.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
MISSI state me those my mom would love it. You know.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
In those first three years, we all became buddies with
these different guys uh Randy Hauser and Jamie Johnson, Jared Neemon,
Lee Brice Dallas, David All I got him Wade Battles.
We were all writing songs together all the time.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
We ended up getting an office together.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
I was bartend at the Wild Horse and Jamis laden
sheet Rock and he was starting to get a you know,
record interests. We got a little office in u a
tower that was the cheap this place on Music Road.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
They selling drugs and filming pouring out of there, so.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Nobody wanted to previous if they would have offered boys.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
They never served it direct.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
So we go to we go to get this little
office and we go downstairs the LEAs an agent to
sign the agreement, me and Jared Neemon and Jamie Johnson.
They said, what y'all want to call the place, and
we said, we just put put our names on all
six of us, and they go, no, don't have room,
queen the.

Speaker 12 (48:33):
Elevators, and Jamie said, just call it the trailer park.
So the guy goes in there and he writes. The
guy can't spell for ship, so he writes down t
R A L E R P A R k on
the Liason agreement, which is what they put on the door.
Traider Park spelled wrong.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So I was embarrassed. Man, I was so mad.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I quit college to be a writer, trying their heart.
But if you look on the side of Jamie's Airplanes
and the bus says and all that, it's still Trader Park.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Come on, man, then we all still.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Do charity shows. You we didn't show this past weekend
in Savannah.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I saw that, man, Thank you had a cancer.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That so we still still We're brothers.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Our kids call each other uncle, and we all have
business together.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
So in that in that process, what was what was
like the first song to get you get you going
in that in that thing.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
The first songs the song Me and Dallas and Brett
Jones Road, a song called if Heaven's Far Away forgot
him justin Moore.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
That was my first.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
That was my first hit.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
That was the first. Can you just I'm trying to
I'm calming this story through my brain as much as
I can. I'm filtering the story as much I can't,
and I don't think there's anything.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Be careful now, listen, man, we have a lot of
truck rides, which one.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
We didn't.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
We didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
We didn't talk about this before the podcast.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Just bring that back up.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
This is stuck with me, dude. Can you at least
tell the Music Row Show story with Jamie or no,
with the with the towel. No, okay, that was the one.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
You're gonna bring up to.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It is the one that's stuck in mind. I've told
that story a million times, but never on air. There's
a few things you would just be basically.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Bragging on Jamie.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
But that's gonna work.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
He'll show up here.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
People take guitar play if one you do it, you
play better than I do.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, y'all play together? Did this song from the start
of it?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Man? Is that step a good standard?

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I'm he's a full step down.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Okay you came down to me. Okay, Well I'm gonna
go up. Hear me? He that one.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
Every day high drive the word to cross Flint River
Bridge one hundred yards front spot where me and grand
Paw fished.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
There's a piece of his.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
Old fruit stand on the side of Sawmill Road. He'd
be there peeling peaches phyllis.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Twenty years ago.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
Oh what I wouldn't get to ride around that old
with him. Heaven wasn't so fun. Way back up for cleansing.
Go for the deck who introduces to their grandpa and

(52:13):
watch them laugh at the wings he talk find mine
arm lost cousin John, won't we laugh back at being now?
Show him a picture of his daughter Now she's a
doctor and he'd be praying.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Tell him we be back in a couple of days.
In the review maryand we all watch and we're losing them.
Wouldn't be so hot?

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Take if Heaven wasn't so far away?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Chile?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Whose idea was that?

Speaker 5 (52:58):
I think it was a Dallas idea. Yeah, I don't remember,
but it was a long time agot it man. We
were we didn't even have publishing deals back then. We
were Dallas not neither one had a publishing deal.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Brett was he was a pro, right, he'd already a
bunch of hits, but we were green as green green.
So did you maintain the publishing for that entire number one?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Well?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
That song center for seven years? So that really?

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah, Yeah, we wrote that song and got named red
Achins had a record dealt with Time for that was.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Doing the obviously was a great writer already he had signed.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
A record deal with I think it was Joe Galani.
I believe at the time Red had cut that song
to put out for his record labels. Things got changed
all around with the label. That thing didn't come to fluition.
It was probably seven years later. Jeremy Stover calls me
at I don't know, ten o'clock at night. He said, Hatch,
He goes, did you write the Heavy One's far Away song?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I go, yep, I go.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
He goes, well, we love it for just more. He goes,
don't play it for anybody else.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I go, it's seven years old, everybody, anybody else.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
He was going through YouTube and found the version of
Rihtt doing come On in a video just of htt
doing the song come On, and.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
They went back in for justin record.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I don't know right after that beautiful, but no.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
That song's enter for a long time. That it was
a giant. That was a giant. Look, if you can't
tell that one story, finally you can tell You've got
some stories. I'm mad. I want to hear that one again.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Does in the park a lot?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Let's see what one you want to hear? Just giving
one that that that uh gives shows a little bit
of the personality of you boys.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Being young and okay, we do a we did a
this is a let me sit do.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
That's the one I want as close as we can
get to the line.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
So we're back at u A Tower. We had the
Trader Park going on a music Row magazine. I don't
know if it was Music Row magazine, but it was
a magazine back then had asked us to do a
show in the parking lot of that place right right.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
So we put it together. Jamie put it together.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Head, Hey guys, will y'all come play?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
We'd always played the alls together, you know. So they
set the stage up.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
We showed up an hour early for the show to
get stuff ready, and nobody's there. I mean, there's nobody there,
and we're like, dude. He's like they told me that,
you know. We're like, man, So we just proceeded to
go to red door and we start doing shots.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, just went after the other right, So how much
time is there before the show starts? An hour?

Speaker 5 (55:51):
An hour, so about forty five minutes walk we walked,
Oh yeah, we walked right there. So we're like, let's
just let's just hell boys, gonna get our stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
And will be done with this.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Now we can barely make it back up the street.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
And we get up the street, there's probably two hundred people.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Like to show up stage, and we let each other like,
somebody better figure something out real quick.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
This is gonna be pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
So we all end up on stage all together, and
it's a fiasco of epic proportions, and you know, somebody's
one of them is playing leading the wrong no one,
I think. I think I think dal did. Country Boy
can survived by.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
The lower country Boy he did twice.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
I think somebody fell off the stage and somebody broke
and broke. I left my guitar and parking lot that night,
found it the next morning.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
It was it was it was not our That sounds
very park with the trailer part man, Yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
It was pretty wild back then. It was the good
old that's awesome. Brett Uh Brit Cobbins on here and
was was talking some really really funny things about Jamie Uh,
one of the funniest guys ever. Yeah, what I mean,
what is it about him that makes him? And look,
I've heard recently he's super clean. Is just signed a

(57:26):
new just signed a new deal, right, and we've been
working on stuff on his record, and that's all I
mean for me, Man, that guy might be number one vocalist.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
He's one most talented human sin and color is is iconic,
his iconic.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I'm the first one. I heard that my parking lot
at my house and a word tape, and I like
to have passed.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
That's another level.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
That's the best song I've heard five years.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
That is the one. Yeah, he wasn't cut it at
the time. Yeah, so, uh, how how was how did
y'all wrangle him on? Sober?

Speaker 10 (58:04):
Like?

Speaker 5 (58:04):
How did you?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Was there any rain? I don't think we were trying
to do any wrangling. I mean we were, we were
spurring each other on back then. We weren't helping like
we were daring it.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It was more of a you know, how much how
much can we get in? How much can we start?

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Let's see what these guys will do?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Like if I do this, what will they do?

Speaker 8 (58:30):
You know?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I mean it's that game, the challenge the way I mean,
the whole crowd, so many stories about them, the whole crowd. Man,
it's it was a really good time. It's still a
good time together, but it's uh, it was it's a lot.
How does it clean? Pity a lot? And ship? Now
you know, well, we just.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Can't go as hard as we used to could.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I mean, you can't. You got to handle business. So
it's more being around each other and spending time together.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
And you know we're you know, they're my buddy, so
you were just it's easy and fun. And like when
I started with riving, those guys and stuff like, I
didn't play, I didn't sing, I do any of those things.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
And I'm like, I'm never doing that.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
And it's those guys going, go ahead, dude, and you
can do it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Sing it.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
I'll sing with you. I'll play with you through that.
You just the kind of they kind of you know
they were who taught me and who showed me. You know,
your peers w teach you here class.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
It's important, man, And I tell everybody that too. That's like, man,
what's you know?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
If I come to town?

Speaker 4 (59:34):
What I'm like, man, find a find a core group
and like come up together like your friends, bet on
bet on yourself and bet on your friends, man, because
like I have learned more yes by sitting in rooms
with vets and and hit songwriters and and and just
shutting the hell up and just learning.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
That day gifts.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
You're like, if I can learn anything, they know that
I'll take it, you know, you know, and they you know,
they teach you and they don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And it's and it's fun getting in the room and
kind of together with with those cats and not knowing
what you're doing and just literally figuring it out, man,
just just going off of your love for the genre
of music.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
And you're really really smart, so you just don't know
what they'll do, you know what I mean, it's what
what those big brains.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Do when you give it a twist totally and see
what happens. Tell us about that guy. Dude is one
of the most talented humans in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Like, like, we can play this guitar and it sounds
one way when he plays this guitar, almost.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Like that guy on the mountain with the elk. It's
like it's a different deal. Yes, that's exactly right. Where
Where does his soul come from?

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Where is Sippy really? Yeah? Man, he's he is that
he is that thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Man, he is Like I used to you know, I
used to sit and listen to that dude play anything,
Like I mean, he said, experted all of it. So,
I mean, when he's doing music, it's.

Speaker 13 (01:01:04):
Like, well that's not fair, you know, you know, that's
not all he knows what that other instrument is doing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
He you know, you know, teaching our guys how to
you know, how to lead bands and how to this
is what they're going to do, and this is what
they need to do, and this what you know. He's
he's played in bars and Hoky Town longer than anyone
that I know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Did you did you hear it on his tongue.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
It's so good the control and the power, the control
to control the power for it. But very few people
have the power to be able to control it. Is
a whole difference.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Did you know back then, like you were, you were
in the group with with that kind of caliber, that
caliber of talent and writers and what all what all
of y'all have done across the genre of country music
and for the I mean, dude, there was a decade
of hits that y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Man, you know, I knew they were. I knew.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
I thought they were the most talented. I knew like
like dudes that like I'd ever seen it, like like
ever in the world I have seen these guys do
some magic tricks that you're just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Like, did you see that? Like who can do that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Like is that a you know, so they all have
a lot of we all have a lot of faith
in each other, right, so you know, like Jamie loves
to throw us into situations and see what will happen.
They'll have a basic game plan like Okay, we're gonna
have the full band on stage. Everybody's gonna do three
songs each, and then we're gonna do four or five together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, which one are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You know, in those moments, man, magic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Happens well with these guys.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Like I would panic, like that's my five comfort zone
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
But with these guys, you know, with Lee and Jerry
and Jamie and Randy and you know in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
And these you just go it'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, really fine. It'll it'll work out, you know. And
we've been like I said, we've raised a lot of
money for charity over the past. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate
the heart of those fellas too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
It's it's a it's a pretty transit, you know, pretty
interesting transition to go from like hell raisers to like
charity money raisers. Yeah, that's a very good point. I
don't think that honestly. It's it's it's a it's a
fun thing to see and probably a fun thing to
be a part of. It's beautiful. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
I love those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I really don't know what Nashville looks like for me
without them to you know what I mean, Like that's
where it's always been.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
I mean, Mark, Yes, you know when you have kids
there at the hospital and when you have birthdays there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
You know what I mean there?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I mean ours is like you have kids and then
and they have kids.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
We all have kids together.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Like Randy's son and my son are born at the
same time, and their best friends and when they you know,
it's all our kids are all playing together. My kids
go to play with Leaves kids at the barn and
they've talked them this morning and it's all, you know,
it's just very First of all, we're lucky to be alive.
Second of all, we're lucky that everyone is still working.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I mean, this business is crazy. We're talking about people
who we used to write. On the way home yesterday
we wrote and we're driving home. We're driving somewhere We're
talking about so many cats that like popped into town,
had immediate heat. Got to get it to ay with them,
you write a song with them. You're like, man, I
don't know if this guy's got it. And dude, six
months later, never hear about it. It's a vicious brutal

(01:04:38):
there there. It's it's what have you done for me lately?
And for the next new thing? And I mean, like
I said, we you know, we get to make music
for thev We have the best job in the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
World when it's working. Man, it's the best job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
I told you, That's what I said. That's not to somebody.
I was like, it's the best job in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
If you successfully getting canceled on four times, your civic
hatchbacks and it's cold out there and your suites just
froze up. That jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
It's pretty tough waiting on your wife's checks.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Shut up, girl friends, you know it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
You know, like I said, it's a it's a tough business.

Speaker 10 (01:05:17):
But but.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, that's and it is beautiful, man, that's what. That's
what Nashville and the love of music has brought all
of us.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It's like a chance to chase a dream and then
along the way, that path of chasing your dream. You
get to run alongside your best friends and watch them
catch dreams. And that's that's crazy man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
I mean we always sitting there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
We'd love to be successful a music man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
If we could write some hit songs, get some shows,
maybe we could go hunt some nice places. Many go
kill big deer, the scrub, but.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Get out of this guard hole practicing bigger than a
six point six months.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Uh, tell us about inner song, Inner song.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
So it's which I need talking to you, both of
you guys. So Jared Demon and I started a year
year or two ago. It's hit songwriters doing private shows
is basically the deal. So it was, you know, we
took on the the uh goal of trying to teach
people that had never been to Nashville what this was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Right. So, if you've been to Nashville and saw writers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Around while you're in love with it, you think it's amazing,
but it't been to Nashville. So it was, how do
we put together a team of people to teach people
what it is where we can go to other places and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Do given the experience in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
So we've put together a team of them a hit songwriters.
I think we're on one hundred and twenty probably.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Right now, twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Yeah, and uh, you know, putting on festivals and finding
private shows and it's been it's been an awesome journey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
How can how can people get to get in touch
with it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
They can just called innersong dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
We have both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
They can see everything about inner Song.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
If they want private shows anywhere, you know, from we're
putting on festivals.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
And wow, you know series they don't care that much
about songwriters.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
They're starting to. It's funny what people care about the songs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Sure, and they care.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
About the stories behind those songs because those songs are
personal to them. It's not your song anymore, it's their song.
You know, you write a hit song and somebody come
that tells you about it. They're telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
About what that song did in their life.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
They're saying, that song is about my dad, that song
is about my kid. That's what this is about. Realize,
what you wrote it about isn't what it's about to them.
It's they're telling you what it's about. Wow, it's beautiful,
So you know it's a you know, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah,
that songs connect with people in their own way and
do their own thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
And I also think it's nice to, you know, have
an extra source of income, especially when like streaming is
so trash, right, I mean, songwriters used to have I
remember we were playing golf with Neil Thrasher and he
was like, yeah, man, back in the day, if you
had four or five cuts on the record and one
single off of it, like you could retire. And we

(01:08:10):
were like, what, Yeah, those are the days.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
When I moved to town, I was in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I got to do part of both.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Like I've seen that transition and how brutal that I'm
a very we were very blessed absolute right now correct,
we are not laying shingle and and no hate on
folks to do it's but I'm just saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
The revenue has definitely chased as far as like I
think we're in and everybody kind of knows that we're
in that transition period of trying to figure out what's next,
what's next and how how do we how do we
get paid term? Because I got fifteen years of not
making good money back there. That hurt hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Son. I feel it, and you know, I feel like
people are are in the fight to win it, right, Like,
I feel like we're heading in the right direction.

Speaker 10 (01:08:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Eventually there will be a rate for digital play. All
those numbers will come up and the world will be
a little more right. How long that will take, I
don't know how long that will take, but you know,
being optimistic about it, the numbers that we can reach digitally.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
So far outweigh what we could have done with with
you know, regular then you know, how do you not?

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
You know, look at you know, hip hop artists with
fifty million followers on the Spotify string and go that's
how did yeah, how did that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah? I feel good about the genre. I feel good
about about country music as a whole. You know, you know,
everything changes into bolves right right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
I mean, it's going to be different than when I
was a kid and you could afford, you know, a
record a month, so you didn't stretch at all. I'm
gonna get George Frady January.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
And that's already thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
You got it, You got it planned out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So we weren't trying new things. We were listening to
new music that we didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Now, if I'm on Spotify or Pandora, or whatever, and
I own the whole music store. I own every genre.
I have access to all of them. Well, they're getting
exposed to way broader amount. People that have never listened
to country music before are totally which that gives us a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Chance to grow.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
So if we write good enough songs, if we're good
enough boys, if we give them good enough stuff, it
will grow because the opportunity for the people to find
us is there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah. I like that optimism.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Give give, give a dream or some advice. Man, give
a give a kid in lower Alabama right now. I'm
not sure if he wants to move to national songs
in his pocket. Yeah, man, not sure if they're any good.
But it's middle school girls.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Like, just believe in your truth, man, your your Your
truth is the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
So you know, most people come to town to be
writers or artists and they have an idea of what
they think they want to do, and then they get
exposed to massive amounts of information and all of these
talented people and all of these professionals feeding them here's
what I think you should do, here's what we should do,
and here what you should do. And ninety percent of
the time you come back to a realization of your.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Truth was probably right to begin with.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Now you have to unlearn all of this and relearn
all of this new stuff to be able to make
your truth happen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Because you wasn't good enough before.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
You did believe it before, that's right, But your.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Truth is probably it's probably right. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
So right about what you know, about what you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Don't fake it because everybody will. Man, don't get caught
in the trap of chasing what's what's already hot, because
by the time you do that, the wheel is turning

(01:12:01):
and you're already too fast, and you'll always stay behind
if you don't just stay true, just playing ketchup, yeah, ketchup.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
The only the only unique thing about what you do
is what you do, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
So there's this massive ocean of songs that all kind
of sound the same because they're all in the same progression, right,
like we're all we're all okay. For example, Florida, Georgia
line Pomps in twenty ten. Right, Well, then the next
slew of songs that got poured into these publishers all

(01:12:34):
sounded like that ship. Dude, Sure well, they owned it.
They were already doing that good luck on hookings of
the Caboosa, that thing moving through the town. Well it's
you know, it's which. By the way, did you have
a song with them?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeahrak Jesus he did. He's like I was only somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Don't try it. You can't. You can't possibly catch up.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
You have to do what you know how to do
and what you think is right and what feels right
to you, and it'll catch up to you kind of,
you know what I mean. It's like nobody was writing
a song like Oliver Anthony, right, and then it comes
out of nowhere and it's huge. Well, then a lot
of people are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Trying to do it. Yeah, it's like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Look now he got it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
He was doing it when nobody was doing it. It's like,
who would have thought an audience would go crazy about
a bluegrass feeling someone?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Now we know it's bad ass, true, but with.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
The general public know that, but I'm sure to the
ain't given them enough credit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Hold on a minute, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
I'm watching my kids and the music they're listening to,
and they're coming and that you know, Daddy, if you
heard a C d C.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
You're like, yes, I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
New band, this new band Guns and Roses sick, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
But you go, okay, their taste is solid.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Man. They're like, okay, some of my kids introduced me to.
I'm like, play me, play me what you like?

Speaker 10 (01:13:59):
Rude?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
Play me up the new and you're like, okay, I
did that, all right, I see what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
What are they listening to? Oh goodness?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Uh you know Sizza.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
One of the girls, the Taylor and yeah, they on
this Poston stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Oh yeah, they Well, my daughter she's mainly it's mainly
girls stuff. But the Morgan Walla stuff, she's all about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yeah, so is mim.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Everybody, I mean, everybody is you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I mean that stuff just goes down. But you just go,
you know what. I kind of like what she likes.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
I kind of there. Yep, they're pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
My kid, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
So it's you know, if if we're smart enough to
figure out the truth and give it to them, they'll
hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
That's good stuff. That's good stuff. Give me, give me.
I feel like we've talked about your your buddies and
how awesome they are, but we mentioned Lee Brice. Let's
talk about wille Bryce. I know you'll go on brother
special connection.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
There's a deer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
It's hard hard bote.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Remember Ernie's, Remember that property, Ernie's. He bought eight acres
of Ernie's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Love in the west side.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
That's a hell of a farm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Oh, it's still one of my favorite farms.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
That stripped right down the middle, that cuts the cornfields
all around ditch. I know, and there's a crease that
runs down the middle of side.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Uh you know, we moved the salt side line out
of there, but it's how we learned how wind didn't
affect down there. Like the soft side blinds, all of
those were gone in a year. Really well, the winds
up there in the winter are just I just ripped
them apart, just tear them apart. That salt sideline in
that ditch six years, it's set there and looked exactly
like there's no wind in that channel. It completely blocks

(01:15:58):
the wind off. So when it's really windy and rough,
all those deer dropped down in the interest because it's
safe and there's corner on both sides and water blocking
that ditch is blocking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
The wind off.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
It's deep kiss four stories deep in the bottom of
that ditch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Oh, it's deep.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Man, if you're up on the field, like you're up
in the field looking down in the woods of the ditch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
It's deep, man. So it's just like a little hole
in there ledge that goes.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
I mean, it's so I'm sorry, real cool. No, he's
one of my brothers from another mother. That's I don't
you know. We've written a lot of songs together.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
We hunt together.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
We have record digital record label together, Comphouse Records.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
We uh, you know, he's my kids play together. I
don't know it's coming to be. I started at.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Dallas's house, uh in a swimming pool with Lee playing
a guitar over his head. He's literally playing like just yeah,
he stud We started Dallas's house and we went to
uh my house the next day to finish it. Lee
said he wanted a song about he was gonna get married. Right.

(01:17:08):
He decided he wanted a song to dance with his
wife at his wedding. He was wanting to be the
song he wanted, So we came up with I Don't Dance.
We wrote the verse and the chorus first.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
That's great, great, thanks brother.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
We you know, we wrote the verse in the chorus
and Lee called it right then he said, there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
There's the title track.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
There's first single, That's why There, which was you know bullshit,
we can train wrecked the second verse.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
But I hate when he's right. But he nailed that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
I'm a step dance.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I can't sing like y'all gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Love the song.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Well, I don't know, said.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Meloy, So dude, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
What I anwaytop.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
I'm not that kind of man, just a skin me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
He won't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Why don't d but here I.

Speaker 7 (01:18:24):
Spinning you around and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Circles.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
It ain't my style. I don't care high any thing.
And you win.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Yes, you got me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Paul your hand because I don't name God. I talk
so good, dude, Bill on town. Now that's me and
dall And what did he rot? Uh? Bill? Hard to Love?
How to Love?

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Oh so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Ashley as the ones I ain't yeah, shut y'all the
same way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
You know what, nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
I could do this for four hours much fun. We've
already been here for an hour and twenty minutes. Man,
let's uh, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Get to uh when he got away?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, yeah, we have some is that the morning huh
time was apart that thing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
Let's see it's the barn show that guy, we got
a way okay, two years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
I'm honey, do you remember the Alives property? I don't
know if you remember that. If if the Ernie's property
is here, it's two properties a way, bro, so it's quarterbock.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
We had seen a really big before the record. Yes,
before we get in this. Are we good? Do we
need to cut out these property names or are you
fine with it? I don't care. They're they're they're the
name of the farmer that owns the place. It's not
just making sure nobody's like that's where they were. No,
they don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
We got left nags.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Good luck. We had seen a big deer at this property.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Somebody had saw him that day with a leg on
this field they like to bed on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
It's it's a it's a big hill. The c r
P all over like.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Correct. They had seen him during the rut, so it
seemed in the middle of the day. It was a
shotgun weekend, so in shot and in Illinois you can
they have qualifications.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Of guns that you can shoot during shot weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
Right, So at that point a black three ound of
blackout was a legal thing. This was only three years
that's not anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Well, no, none of ur platforms.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
But the anyway I was, I'm a I'm a boat
hunter mainly, you know. So I had this gun that
was set up to be able to shoot during the
shotgun season. I go to hunt this property. I see
a deer moving in the head of woods. As I'm
leaving the truck, I grab my sticks and throw my

(01:21:33):
sticks in the middle of the field and throw that
gun on those sticks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
You have just left the truck.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
I've jumped twenty yards out of the truck, headed to
the head of woods that this deer is in, and
the deer sees me. And when the deer sees me,
he breaks to go across the field. He takes maybe
two steps into the field.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
And turns and looks at me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
And I went click click click click, and the gun
wouldn't go off, and the breaks and runs off, and
I ejected the shell out and you can see where
it hit them hit the pen, and I had left
it in the truck and then the temp drop and
it froze it up and it didn't get all the

(01:22:13):
way until the bullet, so it was They still have
the I still have the cartridge with the giant not biggest,
not big as his one, I'd say one sixties problem.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
It's a big deer, that's a big mature.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
But that was the very last time I ever took
a rifle into a field ever again. I'll shoot shotguns
at birds just of of course, but I both exclusive. Really,
I've never I'll never shoot another. I'll shoot the most
later most later season, but I'll never shoot another center fire.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Wow. Interesting, I'm done. Right then, I was like, I'm
a bow hunter. I would have killed that deer dead
is a wedge wo. I mean he's sixty yards, you know.
He just do you shoot all year long?

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Or do you shoot just to your I mean, but
for me, it's it's it's more of a meditation thing.
For me, it's like if I get super stressed out
or I got a business call, if we're talking on
a zoom a business call, I'm probably slinging errows. Like
I'm probably in my yard and the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Phones hung up on my hangar and I'm slinging arrows.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
And what it does for you mentally, yeah, just focus.

Speaker 5 (01:23:27):
For me, it's you know, when you got all these
things you're trying to figure out, and it's like, no,
put the pin on the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Dot and you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Control that, right, I can go through my process of anchor, relax, breathe,
drop down, you know what I mean, I can, I
can in a minute, I go, what was I talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yeah? So what isthew?

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
You like it?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
I love it? It is I should saying extreme for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Twenty seven or thirty one said, Okay, we got the
thirty one, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Like the twenty seven though. I like the said it
was a little hotter, but honestly, as like, I don't
care about having the honest bowl anymore. I just want
something smooth.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
I killed, I killed all my LP.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
With that boat. Really yeah. And then I went to
this like, hopefully I'm not smoked.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Some details with it this year, sure, but yeah I
like this from all I mean that bow could send it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Yeah, there ain't no doubt. I love those f threes man.
And then it was light man, So about west Walk
you know, yeah that's good. Yeah, you wait till we
go next year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
I'm telling you already, speaking in existence, I tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Right now about time we're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
What is it from? Because I'm gonna go from the
mouths of babes, the ears of our Lord speaking existing
man said, well, like I said, we'll wait.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Song all right, what's uh, what's your favorite song that's
greatest slash favorite tune kind of cornerstone tune, and you're
like just.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Any song that's easy on Williams, good good old boys
like men. Man's kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
I say, when I was a kid, Uncle Rims put
me back.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
With a picture of stone.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Wall Jackson above mine head, and Daddy come in kiss
his little man, with Jim on his breath, hand a
Bible in his hand. He talked about on earn things

(01:25:46):
I should know. Then he stagger a little as he
went out the door. I can still hear the soft
Southern winds and the live old tree and those Williams
boys that they still mean a lie to me.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
Hank in Tennessee. I guess, I guess we're all gonna
be gonna be.

Speaker 14 (01:26:23):
So what he do with good old boys, Dog Williams,
Don Williams the smoothest cat out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
There, all those bobb big deal songs with the bomb man. Yeah. Yeah,
when I think about that, like era of singers, I
mean outside of like Rose Coke Glasses, Uh Johnny and
uh jeez, who's the Pine guy? Those are some smooth

(01:26:55):
cast them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Dogs man, Yeah, I'm com way dude.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
I mean, I mean, are there that silky smooth singers?
Are there? Those are those guys in our genre right now?
What a better title for for for an artist?

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
This a song's best friend? Man, that's like, it's like, what.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Let me say it. I'm more like a.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Love you guys, We love you like a brother.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I appreciate y'all. Let me come on morning. Absolutely, it
was so fun. Thanks for coming, Jill being old there
and send Uspicious.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
And you know I will and we'll have to tell
them about ELK that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
I can't wait to get in the woods Man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Seriously, I love you guys, Rob Hatch, everybody. Thanks for
hanging up guys, Country'll see all next time.

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