Ep. 90: Little Bird, Honky Tonk Hell, and Mental Health with Marcus King

This week Reid and Dan host guitar slangin' and soul sanging phenom Marcus King, out in God's Country. The episode kicks off with Marcus ripping into his latest song "Honkytonk Hell" and the guys giving a standing ovation to GCP's greatest performance yet. The three of them discuss what it was like growing up southern and how the tough guy narrative has been a struggle to maintain at times. Marcus shares the inspiration behind his latest album, how meeting his wife saved his life, and how he thinks he is the most honest he's ever been with his new album "Darling Blue". Marcus shares a never before heard song with the listeners and ends with a REO Speedwagon gravorite.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yo, what is up?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You are off in God's Country with your boys. Dan
and Reed isbel also known as the Brothers Hunt, where
we take a weekly drive to the intersection of country
music and the great outdoors, two things that go together
like no AC and Europe. Yeah, it's all it's bad AC.
I should say that they've got it, but it's not

(00:28):
like ours.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's pretty bad over there. I've been.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I've been through that or a Gibson three forty five
and arguably the best guitar I ever made, brought to
you by Meat Eater, and I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm excited to see why goes. Please be normal, it's normal.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Come on, we just had on the legend.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah, Mark King.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
If you think he plays guitar good, you ought to
hear him saying it's the course spots when the shine.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You should hear him play the guitar too, and you will.
It's a freak on this podcast. And I am Cloud
nine over here.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
If you I cannot wait for this podcast to come out,
just to go watch.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Watch what happened on it.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's just man, dude, he is a freak. He is
a gift. He's a gift from the musical God. I
think he's a gift from the real God too. That's
what I'm coming. Yeah, that God is a music no doubt, doubt.
That's why they say there were no plural no s
is on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Which one dog.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm telling you the guy Marcus King, I mean, he
took he took my little piece guitar over there and
made it sound, make it. Come on, I brought it
centing me. He's he's me a long guy.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Brand new album started the show hot show comes in. Dude,
you y'all are gonna love this. There ain't literally we
never say the word hunt. We never say the word
deer fish outdoors. No, we only say it. But don't
change the channel because I'm telling you I want no
doubt this. You know this today It is strictly about

(02:25):
music and guitar and I'm so glad it was. And
it wasn't even long enough. He had he had he
had to bounce it at a little bit early. And
because he's so cool, he's probably got something. Yeah, he's
got a guitar, cool guitar stuff to do. Eric Clapton's
waiting on him in the parking line or something. Man,
this guy's so cool.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
He just knows music. He knows guitars, he knows and
his freaking voice stories.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Man, guys, just next.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
New record, Darling Blue is out.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Maybe I think it's out now. Maybe when the podcast
comes out it'll be out. But absolutely killer record, killer
right and killer playing, killer singing.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Uh. The dude's a legend.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
He's he's greatness, man, and it was an honor and
a pleasure to sit in the same room with him
and watch him do what he does.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ain't no doubt. What are you looking up?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was just checking the temperature on this the rose.
You just where is it? It's what's it about? It's
one twenty needs to get up to one forty five
or something like that. Okay, oh, it's right, forty five,
Got there quick.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Jordan Ishmael Country Songwriters and Singers pod dot dot dot.
Because I can't read the rest, y'all gott it. You
gotta quit making law is putting a long subject title.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I can't read them. You gotta make him witty quick.
It's long.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I'm gonna go quick. God's Country is a podcast. God's
Country podcast is a great hot he missed. He wrote
something on God's Country podcast is great hot as if
you are wanting to two brothers fighting over is better.
And definitely if you're a look looking for a weekly
traffic report and their corny songs about what two middle

(04:04):
aged men are mad at this week, read common I
mean quotations, the one who takes credit for everything and
talks about his old life on a houseboat or terrible
Dan as that things.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm just reading it work for it. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Dan mostly sits in the corner and stays quiet unless
someone starts to talk about food or the traffic, and
loves to talk about how older bros Are better, but.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
All jokes aside.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I tuning in once a week to listen to these guys.
You guys are seriously my favorite. I started listening to
you guys last year while I was in the hayfield
raking and a tractor that the radio doesn't work, so
I found this. Sorry sorry, I did this this podcast
and watch the first thirty ish episodes that I missed
in about a month or two, and now there's.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
No car, guys, use I think this guy's I think
this guy's a voice texter, use this guy. This guy's
a voice text Uh what is it where you put
a period somewhere? What's it called pronunciation? No, it's not grammar.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Just no, like put commas and stuff in your store?
Whatever that is. I can't.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's just gaving me right, all right. I was we
in the Hayfield Ranking and Attraction of the radio that
doesn't work. I found this podcast and watch the first
thirty ish episodes that I missed in about a month
or two, and now that I've all cut up, I
can't wait for Tuesday when the next one comes.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Thank you guys. You guys are literally awesome. Voice texting, Yeah,
voice texting you always do all that.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
You got to review them before you pops in anyway,
Thanks appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Jordan Ishmael, You're awesome. Thanks, thank you so much. Stick
around to have your mind blown. Marcus King about to
blow everyone as mine say about.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Hey, oh hear.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Anybody else that's still giving down about me?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
You used to see what they thought I could be
coming away all in love and I ever had my
chief one do promatch and always turned back heaven loads
on this body live there getting along without me five

(06:30):
as a hockey. Tell maybe I'm going ready to do
the food around.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I do so well.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Shave a little rocking room music, Raise a little hockiton hell.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Us the right one.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
Heaven knows, I mess my leading down lead.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
They can't Lord, let me followers acke tell.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
Then I'll go mad and do me a loud and
do so well.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Shin a rocking room music. Raise a little honkitone, hell
shine a lor riting room music, raise.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
A little honk tarn help.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Alrighty, thanks for doing that, Thanks for coming hanging out
with us, bro of course.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, man, you're you're such a dog dude.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
See man, you look at the boots with the argyle
looking so good.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Man. Yeah, I got a buddy in town. It makes
these for me. Oh for real.

Speaker 9 (08:22):
Yeah, it's called music City leather thing. That's next minut
his basement. That's dope.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
They're sick. Yeah, that's sick. That's sick.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Hey man, we've got a four generation musician South Carolina boy.
As you just heard guitars slinging, and as you just
heard soul saying, it's dude, it's nine thirty dude, and
we get it off the top of that and we.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I mean, you have to understand. Let me just.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
His new album Don of Blue drops on nine twenty six.
We've got the goat Marcus King. He wants to all
right now, I just.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Have to say how hard it is. You got it.
You can't talk this whole time for any human to
just walk in now. Look guitar playing. I get it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You've been doing that your entire life, like you can
do that, But to have that vocal at nine thirty,
it's stupid. Man, that's stupid. That's stupid that you're that good.
Thank you for doing that. I know that's annoying when
it's like dance monkey, dance man, but.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're so good. We want to show you off.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
We want to make sure that our listeners know how
great you are. They want to get to know you,
but I want you to know flex on them a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Man.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Hell man, you know that's always tough for me, is
to do the flexing thing. My grandfather always, you know,
tell me never to do that. But when somebody says,
you know, do it, do something.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, my granddad said the same thing. He said,
let other people do you. Yeah, always let somebody else do.
Bragging for it exactly. So what you would just let
us brag. Dude, you're so good man, And.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
That's our job too, right, Like like, yeah, man, we
love traditional country music. We love you know, great lyric
all that thing, but like soul singing. Like we grew
up in the church. Our dad was a Baptist pastor.
And like, dude, some of my favorite vocalists ever are
Brian Mtnight and and and some of those cats that
can just Steve Rayvonne and those cats that could just

(10:19):
go man yeah, and and and so all of that together,
the song, the lyric, the playing, the singing, it's just god,
it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's perfect. Yeah, well done already yeah, so good man, already,
so good, so appreciated. We got a mutual good friend,
Ben Jernigan. How did that happen? Man?

Speaker 9 (10:39):
I met Ben when I was like seventeen really maybe
a little older.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, I he that's a pick or right pick.

Speaker 9 (10:49):
Yeah, he's a great player. I've always kind of called
him a Swiss army knife you go, because he just
kind of he does all sorts of things like he
was a matavact you know.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, that's right, literally does all those things. Yeah, he
can do him on stage two, you can play a
bunch of evers, but he also does in life.

Speaker 9 (11:06):
And I took him over he was over in Europe
with us, and he was guitar tecking for me. Oh nice,
which he'd never a guitar tech before. But I was like, man,
you can do it, you know, just tune them up
and give them to me them off every now and then. Yeah,
it's changed the strings once a week. But he's just
a great dude, great worker, and he's always great to
have on the road with you.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
He is man, we love old churn Agan. Man.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
He's something else. How tall is he six six?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
He'll let you know.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, and they're staying real close to you and look down.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
He's a funny dude. Yeah he doesn't.

Speaker 9 (11:42):
He doesn't quite fit in any of the hotels or
the tour bus.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
You know.

Speaker 9 (11:48):
He's just a big gangly dude.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, he is an old gangling them. Hey, dude.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
One of my one of my shiny moments so far
in this town is you featuring on a song that
I helped right for Ashton Craft that Highway like Me
Too Many. That was That's that's one of the coolest
moments so far in my in my little nationale journey
Man that I've had.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I love that song.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah she's yeah, she's a killers. She's a killer.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, no doubt. He's from Piedmont. Man, she vocally is
I think she's in the world. I agree. I mean
she is really that good.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh yeah, she is on She's insane.

Speaker 9 (12:30):
He's like Marlborough lights and whiskey.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
She just has got it.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Man.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I remember the first time I ever heard her sing,
I was like.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I'm just kind of waiting for it to take that, Like.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
The the female Chris Stapleton slot Lane is open, and
I feel like that's her in.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
A nutshell, Christina Stapleton, Christine Stapleton. Get it to her
to kill her.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I mean, if if you don't know who that is,
you need to go. Yeah music, man, she's nasty.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
All right, let's do it. What are we? What are we?
Let's see. I wish he could just play it, I know,
but I know I'm embarrassed. This is gonna be lame
after that. Dude.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Should we try to do something with it or just go?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Now? I just go, what's your man? Just tell us
what that is? What your man is? That your in
lost kids? My lead boss man with your neighbors cat.
Just tell us what you mad? We could have done it.
I'm already embarrassed. Just tell us what it is.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Man?

Speaker 10 (13:40):
You mad?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Anything reading? No, Man, I'm not got nothing. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was actually was this is Patty man, But I
was using the bathroom just minute go and George's like, hey,
he's here read And I was like, what you want
me to tell my poop that he's here?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
So I'm not really mad?

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Who does?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
What's your mouth? What's your profanity? I'll tell you what profit.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
We always every now and then, Marcus, we talk about
what's something you could be an Olympian at?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (14:13):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Like anything in the like? Anything? And what was mine?
I hadn't. I had one that was pretty good. The
last one you said was eating doritos. Yeah, it could
be like an Olympic. I think I could. How many
single toedo triangles? Could you eat? My prime?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Not my prime anymore, but back in my prime it
would have been hundreds of thousands, thousands.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think it would hit. I think I could hit
if I was really trying. I think I could eat
a thousand doritos man, You know, I think I could.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
I could go uh duredo for doedo with you there
really on the bus in the States because they don't
have them overseas. But uh, the band, they all really
like those cheese balls, the big oh yeah, and that
color does not exist in nature. It's just like these
little puffy balls and like that's created, you know. They

(15:01):
they kind of had like an over under of like
how many of these massive like Costco sized jars they
could go through and they got to like six that
was it. And I mean that's an awful lot of
cheesebo one sitting or just kind of like just like
they were going through one very few days and then
a new one would show up on the rider. And
you know, I used to be an Olympian at drinking beer.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah you know you think you were Olympic drinker.

Speaker 9 (15:28):
Yeah, okay, but you know I had some uh you know,
I was juicing, so yeah, I might have been disqualified.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
All that to say, I think I would be an
Olympian at removing that. It's hard to explain, but whenever
I removed the track to take the trash out, to
take the trash bag, like I'm an Olympian at forgetting
so like so fast that I did that. So, like
I can take prime example, this morning, I take the
trash out, I walk right around as soon as I

(16:02):
I mean, I literally tied it up, put in the garage.
I walked back, I grabbed three eggs that I cracked,
open the thing and throw it in there with the rag.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I would be an Olympian, I could be.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I would win gold if there was a competition that
was forgetting how fastest forgetter of not putting a trash
back back in the trash can. Man, I'm mad at
the fact that I got to clean that out when
I get home. There are three right now, there are
three yolky eggshells in the bottom of my with a

(16:35):
bag over the top because I didn't have time.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So like you know what I'm saying, So you just
threw a bag in over it. I did because my
uh sorry, I can't say babes anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Nanny will fill inevitably fill it up today with kid things,
and if I didn't like, she would have to clean
it out and then she doesn't even know she'll know
what she listens to this. But like, right now, there
are three cracked eggs in the bottom of my plastic
trash can in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's a word, that's a terrible feeling. I'm mad at
the fact that I got to go home.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
And so you're not a you're not a crack and
put them back in the case guy, or you immediately
throw I am.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
But today we're taking all the egg crates back to
the lady that we buy eggs from. So I already
put them in the car, and so most of the
I crack them put them back in the case. Do
you do that or do you throw them away? Immediately?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I throw them away. I usually throw them in the
sink until that's what I did with these three. I
throw them in the sink.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I gotta get them
out of there for the nanny gets there, because you know,
you don't want I've.

Speaker 9 (17:35):
Never made eggs. I feel like every time I make eggs,
I'm in a hurry. And it sounds like similar.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I feel that maybe that's yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:42):
I've never just been casual, leisurely making egggs. Yeah, are
you a breakfast guy? I love breakfast food. I can't
eat first thing when I wake up, though, Yeah, it
hurts my hurts my belly. When I love breakfast food
like three am after a gig waffle House.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Come goat man, all star you all star guy? What
do you get? I am an All Star guy?

Speaker 10 (18:05):
Now.

Speaker 9 (18:07):
I remember I used to get They called it the
toutle House omelet.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, And I was over in.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
Antioch one time early, like uh, not long after I
moved here, and I ordered a tottle House omelet and
they were like, we don't even have those anymore. And
they like they gave me a job application. They wanted
me to come work there.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
They're like, you know the menu better than this, explain
what your job is. Just gonna make the what a
tottle house omeless?

Speaker 9 (18:36):
It's just an egg and cheese omelet, that's it.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah that sounds it's not on the menu anymore.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
But it's just that American cheese, which is just give
me that government cheese.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Put it on plastic.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I was saying something yesterday about how much like gas
station chicken I've eaten in my life.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
God bless you.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I think it's wine. I don't get COVID because I've
eaten so much. I'm with that gas station chicken. It
just like shielded my cells or something.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Brother.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
Pizza, Yeah, man, the chicken wings, dude.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Hot dogs, chicken wing? Get me? Oh yeah? Rolling? What
are they call? What's the rollers?

Speaker 11 (19:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
But what's the corn? The little corn nuggets? Corn nuggets
you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
But that's a little bit higher class gas station they're
talking about. If they got corn nuggets they've been cooking.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, I'm just saying. Usually if they've got they got
live food. This hot food sta summer to live food.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know what I'm saying. That they got some cornuggets
in the summertown shell down there is the best. Man.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
They got fish, they got spicy, they got regular. Shell
station goes hard on some food.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
They're just telling your shout out summertown Shell because that
that joker's got some mean fried stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Mark's you mad at anything?

Speaker 11 (19:52):
Or that?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Glad?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'm mad at anything?

Speaker 10 (19:54):
Man?

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Man?

Speaker 9 (19:57):
What am I mad at today? I usually got a
few pet peeves going on. Honestly, man, I'm not mad.
I just got home a few days ago, a couple
of days ago, and I'm just happy to be back
in God's country.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
You couldn't see it because of his sunglasses, but he
just kind of went Just as I was saying it,
I realized it's.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Still too early for me to be that clever. Well done.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
So you just got back what was uh, what's your
favorite thing about being over there?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And your least favorite thing about being over there? And
you just got back tell us what? Tell us what
over there is?

Speaker 5 (20:38):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I guess I am mad because we just got some
actually to get to it. Keep talking, you got and
I'm glad that I'm home. But there you go.

Speaker 9 (20:49):
We were over there and like every night, you know,
the hotel, you just be crossing your fingers because you know,
like Germany, well we started in Sweden, stock Holm, and
they just they don't really have the air conditioning thing
figured out, you know, like the central air. They're like, yes,
they're air conditioning in the room and you go and

(21:09):
it's a fan, yeah, and it's like one hundred and
ten degrees in the room, sweating it out, and like man,
we played in Munich and they're like, you know, it
was a work day and I saw everybody at the
river and I was like, this is weird. And I
was sweating my ass off, you know, the whole the
whole trip. And they're like, yes, this is the hardest
it's ever been. And I was like, I was here

(21:30):
ten years ago, it was this hot. They just like
all summer long. They're like, as long as we can
get to the night time, then we'll cool off.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
And then they just completely forget and they don't install
air conditioning and they just wait till it snows and
then they all have furnaces. And it's kind of like
this across you know, the euro opinions. All of them
are if we can get to the winter, we're good.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
How are you not? How's this building not mil dude?
For sure? You know what question?

Speaker 9 (21:58):
Actually, And we were all wondering that when we were
sitting over there. It was like or and maybe it is.
They just paint over it.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, year it could be. But yeah, we just sweat
for a month.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
And the ice when they do have ice, it's like
it melts right away.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
It ain't much ice either, it's just a couple of
so like, compare it, compare it to like today's heat
here is it?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Is it worse?

Speaker 9 (22:25):
I mean here, it's like you know you're going to
get a reprieve. It's like when I get in my
car or the air conditioning works, when I get in
my house, it's not going to be.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
There's no gift. There's no no gift. You just have
to accept it. And it's just like it's tough, you know.
And were you all double decker bussing over there.

Speaker 9 (22:43):
Yeah, which I love the double decker bus because you
can roll in one bus and there's usually like sixteen bunks,
so you got more space spread out a little bit.
But every night, you know, like the first half of
the tour, at least, we had to two co drivers
because they got stricter driving policies there. So every night

(23:06):
I'd be like hot, can't sleep. Hot, and they're like
they'd be like yes, and I pointed.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
To the fan.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
They said, you want more action from the fan. I'm like, sure,
more action, give it to me. And they're like okay,
And like I still, you know, every night, go to bed,
wake up sweating, just like in a cough, and like god,
just me and my drummer in the front line is
just sweaty and just mad. And I tell them again,

(23:36):
I'm like, hot, can't sleep. And you know the thing
is like Europe, you know, I get I guess I
did come in here kind of hot, you know about this, Uh,
it's fresh.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
We just got back and there ain't nothing worse than
you can't control it. You can't do nothing about it.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
And they got a window, and like, you can't open
the windows anywhere in the bus for whatever reason. And
I'm like, culturally, I get it. You don't do air conditioning.
You roll down the windows. We don't have windows to
We're just in a big fart missile hot box.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Dude, missile hot box.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
You got fourteen guys on there sweating, farting, just like
guys that don't flush.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Her teeth just stinks. Oh, I'm a floss and son
of a gun.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
I'm so.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I'm glad we got there. I'm glad you got that.
You got the dent real quick.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
My wife that if she was on here and she
was doing what you're mad at, it would be the
amount of floss fosses I'll leave everywhere. I mean, matter
of fact, if I'm sitting in my easy chip problem
for me, I got something of my teeth.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I don't even have to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I can just reach down in here and I'll probably finally,
no doubt, I probably used.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh thing, I love it. You gotta keep it clean, dude.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
And for the record, I went seventeen years without going
to the dinnist because I couldn't afford it. You're gonna
have insurance, and I foss zero cavities. I've never had
a cavity. Seventeen years of never going to the dentist,
went to it. I was like, it's gonna be tough
in there.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
You probably have some like a few cavities come in
and then go out. In those seventeen years, I think
she would have probably just never never got caught. I
would assume they never got caught. I would residue or something.
I don't know, resid right. But she says, I know
you you don't brush your teeth. She goes you brushed
three times a day. I was like, no, she goes,
do you floss. I was like, oh, like a madman.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah. She was like this is crystal cleaning there. Wow.
So just to shut it, just heads up. Maybe it's
just that, maybe it's fossis.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
My dad bartered for my dental Uh, well that's what
I'm talking about. I had the whole thing. Great, This
just look great.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
My dad's a guitar player and my my orthodonist, Donald Hunt,
great man shot and he was he had a quafft
like pompado.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Or you know, like, well that's first time both those
words past.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, he had like the pompadour he was.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
He was a guitar player, and he loved everybody you
come in contact with a guitar player. He's like my
dad guitar player.

Speaker 9 (26:17):
My dad would barter her. He's like, man, i'll give
you lessons if you give my kids braces.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Come on. It was like, that's the deal.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
So my dad worked off those braces by giving lessons
to Donald Hunt and he's a fine guitar player and
a great man.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
But yeah, we did the whole thing. I had braces,
rubber bands, I had head gear. I was a messed
up looking kid.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Never paid for you a good looking man, though. You
might have been a messed up kid, but you're a
good look at this one. It worked out well. Look good.
I'm a teeth guy, I can tell dude. Let's just
start from the beginning. Man, Like.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Your father was a guitar player. Is that kind of
where the inspiration came from?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Did he?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, as far back as you can remember, when
did you pick up your first guitar and start wanting
to do it?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Marvin is a strong name by the way, Marvin and Arcus.
That's that's strong, yeah, strong, strong Southern names.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Marvin's a good name. Yeah, I mean he he started
playing when he was a kid. My grandfather, you know,
he did it as a career. He was an Air Force,
uh sergeant, and he was just keep.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
A running tally of man that he's affiliated with that
played guitar.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I think we're up to four.

Speaker 9 (27:24):
There's a lot, but you know he was he was
in charge of like booking all the n c O
clubs and he'd always you know, he had like Johnny Cash,
Charlie Pride, He had a multitude of artists come over
when he was stationed overseas and his band would just
back him up nice. And that's how my dad started
playing so young. And my uncle's so there's two more.

(27:48):
We'll give it to tally go on, right. So my
grandfather taught them, and my grandfather and my dad taught
me when I was little.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
But how little? How little do you remember?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Because I got to boys and I'm always wondering and
a girl and I mean, she's seen me play some stuff,
But when is the time, when's the time.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I've already bought all the little stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, the little the three quarter and you know what
I mean, Like I got the stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, when do I start? Man's right away?

Speaker 9 (28:17):
Really to me, like the way I come up and
I'm really thankful for it.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
Was like.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
And I'd see all my other friends, like at a
certain point their parents be like, all right, now it's
time to go to college, get a real job, grow up.
But my parents, you know, it was just like the
family trade. You know, that's what we did growing up
in a family of mechanics. Like y'all just play guitar,
you blue collar, We play guitar, we play HONKITONK music,

(28:44):
and that's a viable way of making a living.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
So you know, they encouraged you to make a living
doing it.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
Yeah, wow, right away and like making a career like
a and like being signed to a major record deal
kind of stuff. It kind of to me it feels
like the first uh in the family to go to
college or something.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Wow, you know what I mean. Sure, that's kind of
what it feels like. That's awesome. Man, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
So as a kid, like when do you what age
do you remember thinking I'm pretty good at this?

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Man?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You know, I never quite felt like that, not even
middle school you ever.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean you weren't you play You're playing with your
dad at eleven years old, right to me?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Smoking?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
All your other friends that were quote unquote musicians.

Speaker 9 (29:28):
Well, to me, I always knew I was more passionate
about it on everybody else.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And that's really all that mattered to me.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
Sure, like I care about this more than you do,
and like you like event Stevenfold or whatever it is,
but you know I would. I would put bands together
in middle school and they'd always fall apart, yeah, because
they'd be more interested in sports or girls or whatever
it was.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
And I was just you know, obsessed with it. So
what were you upset? What kind of what music? What artists?
What guitar players? Who were you obsessed? Uh?

Speaker 9 (29:59):
The first music I was really obsessed with was like
Marshall Tucker Band skinnered Alman Brothers, So like southern rock
was what really spoke to me. And the Marshall Tucker
Band was like something that represented you know, because they
grew up in Spartanburg, which is like thirty miles up
the road from where I come from.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
We shared water, you know, water tower, that's all airport.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So I was like, man, they you know, hometown boy
from around here.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
They can do it.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I can do it. They can do it. I can
get out of here. Yeah. And that's how we felt
about Dryl Worley. Yeah, yeah, he's from our hometown thing.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
We were like, I mean, we can do we can
do right, And we did and he did and everybody's
good and appreciate it. You know what, uh what guitar
players were you? Who are your guys?

Speaker 9 (30:44):
Uh, Dwayne Oleman, Dicky Betts, Ed King, Rosington, Allen Collins.
You know, I really loved like uh uh Taj Mahall
and like his guitar player, Earl King. I just got
really into like the lore of it all and like
the story behind it, like Earl King being the slide

(31:05):
player that played on Taj Mahall's Statesburg of Blues and
then Dwayne falling off a horse break in his arm
and being given a Coors Seaton in the hospital and
that's when they gave him cores seedon in the glass bottles,
so he started playing slide.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I didn't know that, Yeah, I didn't know that was
the story.

Speaker 9 (31:25):
And his brother Greg always he took him on a
horseback ride and the horse got spooped and ran off
with Dwayne on the back of it and he fell off.
So Dwayne was just really ticked off at Greg, and
as an apology, Greg brought him that tas my whole
record and that's when he heard, you know, Earl King
playing slide.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
He took his medicine bottle. Yeah, so he ms.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
It out all the course Seaton and was playing slide
on that. That's so that's that's kind of what birth
that that whole genre.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Really wow, man, Yeah, that's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
You got guys like Derek Truck's I mean, just absolutely
you monsters.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
That's that's what I was going.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
This is kind of a heavy question for the kind
of the beginning a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
We're already halfway done. It's crazy. Uh, how does.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It feel man to like you say, Dicky Betts and
Dwayne Allman and these guys, like, how does it feel
now to be.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Somebody's guitar idol? For sure? How does the.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Kids right now growing up wanting to play the guitar
or listening to your music and trying to play your
licks and your solo is like, how does how full circle?

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Man?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
What does that feel like?

Speaker 9 (32:39):
It's pretty wild. I mean it's something I sometimes I
have a hard time reckoning with. But I mean, honestly,
I'm just really honored that anybody would I want to
listen to what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, Uh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
From a songwriting perspective, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah,
at times you're like, I mean, even like for this podcast,
occasionally there are people that are like, man, we love
listening to y'all, and we're like, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
We got people that listen to this. But I mean,
whether it's songs.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Uh you know that they've heard or or our stuff,
it's it is a weird feeling, but but know that
that's the truth.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like, there there's a guy right now who's eleven years old.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, getting his first electric man.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Man and he's got some little Japanese strap and he's
trying to he's trying to learn more.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
That's pretty cool, sick, Yeah, that's pretty cool. What about
were you ever a Did you ever Hendrix? Oh?

Speaker 9 (33:36):
Yeah, I was real big into Hendricks. You know, we
had a DVD of his Woodstock performance. I had a
lot of DVDs and books about Hendricks because I get
really interested in like the history of the player, and
like where they come from, and like how they developed
that style, and.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I just go on a deep dive. You know.

Speaker 9 (34:00):
Hericks was really fascinating to me on a lot of levels.
You know, the way that he presented himself and the
way that he you know, took what he did and
he knew that it was a tremendous product, or he
was confident enough in it, and he took it and
he made it an export, you know, and he created

(34:21):
demand for it. And that's kind of what I kind
of based my approach off of. I was like, you know,
South Carolina, we grow the sweetest peaches, and that's us.
You know, you got to create a demand and you
gotta you gotta make it an export.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
You got it.

Speaker 9 (34:34):
You gotta get it out of here because they don't
grow it over there.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Okay, I'm gonna give you two slide players. You tell me,
and I think I think I'm making this wrong. Jack Pearson,
Oh yeah, Derry Trucks here. You take it, man, I.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Know who I'm taking. I gotta go Jack. Once you
go Jack, you never go back. I got to.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
I mean, I'm in Tennessee, so I'll go Jack Pearson.
You know, I'm telling you, man, Eric would say the
same thing. Yeah, oh yeah, Okay, Derek, some monster monster
that's one A, one B. Then those are the guys
we saw, of course, straight slide guy.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, we saw Todasy trucks that when they came up
to the rhyme and a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Back person walks out in new balances.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, blue jeans and an oversized button down.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Shred And you could tell in that show too, like
Derek gave him. He was just like he just kind
of stepped out of the way and was respect.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It was respect. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Absolutely, Your big badass guitar players do that a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
You're very good about trying to.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Give somebody else the light and the other guy won't
want it and he'll want to give it back. It's
fun to watch y'all kind of do that that tip
for tat thing, man.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Because y'all are I mean, you could.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Solo continuously for thirty minutes if you if you wanted to,
you know, you ever do that? You ever just get
in your room and just play for an hour, man,
Because I feel like if I was as good as you,
I would.

Speaker 9 (35:58):
Well when I get home, you know, I think the
guitar has got a shelf life, you know, Like when
I was a kid, I did do that and I
just kind of explore every avenue that I could. But
now I want to feel inspired when I pick it up.
So when I go out and play, that's usually the
first time of the day that I picked it up
because I'm excited to play. Yeah, it doesn't it don't

(36:19):
ever feel like work.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
What's your favorite guitar you got, man, I'll give you
top three. Give me top three, top three.

Speaker 9 (36:28):
Uh, I just got a Barney Castle. I've been looking
for one of those for a while.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't know if that is what is that?

Speaker 9 (36:33):
So it's a it's a guitar that Gibson did and
Barney Castle was a jazz guitarist and they did a
soonature model for him. So it's kind of an arch
top style, but it's got a double uh cutaway, you know.
So it's it's shaped like an SG but it's thick.
It's kind of like a three thirty five sort of
but thicker.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay, you know, and full of it. Which one is
the sharp one?

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (36:59):
One's got this sharp cutaway, but it's a single cutaway
and the barn of Castle is double cut away and
it's just this big, massive sounding guitar. So I'm thrilled
with that. And to me too, there would be my Esquire,
which I think is one of the greatest guitars they
ever built. And uh, number one is Big Red, which

(37:21):
was my granddad's guitar, and my dad gave it to
me like the first time. Name yeah, Big Grid. That's
a three forty five Gibson. My dad gave it to
me a few years after my granddad passed. The first
time I was going to New York City. He's like,
you be careful there, man, Like, here's this, here's this guitar, like,

(37:41):
you know, just to keep you grounded, man. And you know,
going to New York City was like, that's the scariest
thing you could do.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
The guitar in your hand probably yeah, yeah, guitar in
your hand and pistol in your pocket. Dude, I've been there.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You just uh you just did a signature and signature
guitar three forty five, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
How was that? How was that process?

Speaker 6 (38:03):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Cool?

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Man?

Speaker 9 (38:04):
It's really cool because we did like a limited run
of like Big Red, like pretty much replicas and you know,
I wanted it to be pristine because my grandfather was
you know, he was a serviceman. So like he polished
his shoes, he polished his guitar, and he just kept

(38:25):
it ornate. And I mean we all like when guitars
get a little funky, yeah, but like he hated that.
So I didn't want it to be aged at all.
And we only did like one hundred and fifty two
hundred of those. Wow, And then cut to you like
a few years later, now they got the Marcus King model,
which is for me again, like I don't want to

(38:47):
talk about myself. Yeah, it's easier to talk about because
it's my granddad's guitar. I'm like, it's the best guitar
I ever made because it was my granddaddy's. It's easy
for me to sell something that's not just like.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You yeah, yeah, and when you believe it, like the
respective I.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
Wanted to call it the Bill King model, and they
were like, well, you know, I think they associated with you.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah. I was like, okay, yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I get that from their perspective too, But that's cool
that they honored your wishes.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
So is it just a cherry? I haven't seen it.

Speaker 9 (39:19):
It's just a cherry red, yes, cherry red and white probably,
m yeah, well hardware? Is it gold or gold?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And we did that.

Speaker 9 (39:29):
Everything I did to it was just to make it
his production line friendly and to make it affordable to
the to the player. Sure, because the first line, you know,
it was mostly collectors that bought it, and it was
a much higher price point, and I wanted kids to
be able to buy it. We we got it down

(39:50):
as low as possible without it affecting the quality of
the guitar. So I'm awful proud.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Of Yeah, you should be. That's awesome, man, that is
that's killer. I might have to look them up.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
I hadn't.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I hadn't seen them. They can you get them? Can
I get one?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (40:02):
Yeah, okay, I'll get your artists discount make that too.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, hit me, send me a link. I'm to learn
how to play the electric a little bit. Hey, how
about my Come on man? That last Paul, It's okay.
That's good guitar. It's been through some.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Stuff, man, I don't think it's ever been played like that.
It was probably like God, thank you, I've been waiting
my whole life.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
To be played like this.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
My dad, we did not come from a family of musicians.
Uh well they're musical. They just you know, they're they're
they're sprinkled in their musical. They just weren't really the
whole lot of musicianship in it. My dad bought me
a couple of guitars just from our local shop, and
I found I remember finding somebody. I wanted a less
ball so bad man. I didn't want an eplephone. I

(40:48):
wanted to do it, and I bought that thing online.
And that's been in country bands, punk bands, rock bands.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
It went on.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
It's been on two tours with different country artists just
out with them playing that. Tucker Betham played it for
a few years and then gave it back and I
just it probably ain't worth a thousand bucks, but it's
worth a million.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I could never sell it.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
It's funny how guitars do that. There's not really anything
else in life that's not you know, organ like alive,
that affects you like those things do.

Speaker 9 (41:19):
I mean, that's a that's such a good point. That's
that's kind of the the story. I get my wife
every time I buy one.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I do. How many do you have? Like do you
know the number how many wives?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Man?

Speaker 9 (41:31):
Too many, boy, I tell you I've got I mean
I've probably got like sixty.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Six or so. Yeah at your house. Wait, don't tell that.
I don't make them wrong. Yeah, not at the house.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
You know, I try to.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
I try to keep work separate from from home as
much as I can. There's a few babies that I'm like,
gott to stay look and key. I want to know
where they are all times. But yeah, I've got so
many just because it's just like collecting anything.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Man.

Speaker 9 (42:07):
They all do a little something different and they all
got a story in them.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah you know. Yeah, dude, let's talk about your wife
for a second.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And how much like because I read something that you said,
and you said, Caroline Hunt is all about how I
met my wife and what a significant impact that chance
meeting had on my life.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
That one night after showing Raleigh.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I woke up still hurting from the night before, still
feeling I didn't have much to live for. I've given
up on any thought that I could ever be happy,
and that all changed when the little bird walked in
my life. Yeah, it's like legit, man, Like you were
at a point where you were so down you didn't
think anything bring LP Yeah until you've met her.

Speaker 9 (42:44):
Well, it was like post pandemic. And I had a
really bad breakup. And I mean me and that girl
have broken up like sixteen times before.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
It was one of those.

Speaker 9 (42:55):
It was just this codependent just like you know, toxic
relationship and just a lot of just substance abuse that
happened in it. And then when I was hurting, you know,
I really became dependent on a lot of these substances.
And I just kind of got to a place where
I was like, if I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna
go out doing what I like doing, which is drinking

(43:17):
and playing music. But you know, I just I got
to the point like I couldn't. Like the morning before
I met my wife, I was in Charlotte and they
had a doctor come in because I was coming off
of everything. Yeah, and the doctor had to come in
and check me out. Wow, And like I could hardly sing,
you know, I just felt terrible.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I mean, in those situations, are you honest with the doctor,
like this is what I'm doing or I just feel bad?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (43:44):
And I had a doctor on speed dial too at
that point, like because i'd call him because I would do,
you know, whatever I was doing, and then I would
get paranoid, and then I'd call him like, man, I
got this weird thing going on. He'd be like, meet
me here and we'll talk, you know. Or I'd be like, man,
you know, I'm really coming down off a lot of stuff.
You know, I gotta I'm freaking out, Like you think

(44:07):
I should check in somewhere. And he's like, well, don't
quit everything all at once.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm like, got you, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
I took that call like in the middle of a
rite with Dan Auerback and my buddy Andy Gabbard.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I was excuse me. I was talking to his.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
Doctor that i'd met and he was a fan, so
he just gave me his personal number. It's just a
horrible idea for him because I just call him be like, man,
I got this weird thing.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Man, I'm going going real fast.

Speaker 9 (44:34):
So uh, he said, don't quit everything all once. But anyway,
cut to Charlotte. You know, I'm self medicating after the
show and it's like four in the morning. I'm going
through like stories I've been tagged in on Instagram and
I see this girl had tagged me in the story
and I was like, well, hello, hello there, that's the

(44:57):
center to fire emojis in response to the story. And
she's like you're made yep. She's like, man, that's cool,
but you didn't even play the song I like. And
I was like, what song is that? She's like this
old cowboy. I'm like, well, that's a Marshal Talker band song.
But I'll play it for you if you come to Raleigh.
She's like, well, I'm heading that way anyway. Their family

(45:18):
is from around there. And she came and UH invited
her backstage and she came on the bus and I
was just I was too nervous and too you know,
just messed up physically and mentally to say much.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Just let her go.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
And she was like messing with the radio on the
bus and just like playing Linda Ronstat and just did
a whole performance, you know, a white claw fuel like
interpretive dance. You fell in Yeah, fell in love right away,
see on these big old ear rings and like a
yellow dress. She's like a little lot, big bird. And

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I was like, you're a little bird, that's all. And
yeah that's how that started.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well it takes it, takes it, and we don't do
we don't do it like you do.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
But it really does take like a trooper and a
special one to to kind of put up with this
lifestyle a little bit.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Especially my god, you know, even ours.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
You know, it's it's so sporadic and we can be
gone just like that for a few days.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
And the schedule a side. I mean, every musician I
know is a little a little loft.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, we're not. We're a little touched doubt for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
It's uh, it's I remember I remember recognizing that as
I was dating people through college, and I remember being like, man,
we I am not like these other dudes.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
And you want other dudes. You don't want a musician.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
You don't want a gig a gig guy that you
know wants to go play till two in the morning
and then needs his space to sit alone and listen to,
you know.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Music by himself. It's hard. It's even just us schedule
a side like, we're kind of hard to deal with totally. Yeah,
and then through springking and some other hobbies in there,
and they gets wacky you know.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
Oh yeah, I mean we're we're we're artists, you know, Yeah,
and it's it's I mean, honestly, that's a whole other
podcast is talking being an artist and also being a
Southern man and not fitting in like some of the
social norms. Being sensitive as an artist totally and being
able to write yea, being able to perform the way
that you do with sincerity totally, and not really fitting

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in with your buddies.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Finding confidence in that somewhere because you got to or
it's going to eat you alive.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
Because you know, I mean, that's it's almost like a
you know, like a being sensitive in nature is just
not really accepted. No, it's when you're coming up as
a boy.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
In a small southern town. It's effeminine. I mean, that's feminine.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, that's what it's associated with exactly. I mean, I've
told the story before, but I was. I mean, I
don't remember writing poetry stuff. And in third grade I
literally had a notebook I would hide behind you remember
that big tall dresser we had in the corner of
that room on Avalon or are you too young?

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I would have a fat, little fat book that I
would stick stick behind. I would write stuff and i'd
stick it back there because you know, I'll behind snickers
and stuff. Small southern town man, it's like you can't.
You know, you got to keep up the facade, man,
especially if you're playing sports and doing that thing.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
It was like, and I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I just never felt really I couldn't wait to graduate,
you know, I couldn't wait to get out of there.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And then I go to school and I find my
best way out here with my Mariah Carey tapes too.
All right, let's do that. Let's do that people.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Let's name artists or bands that get hated on that
are actually very very good.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
I'll go first. Michael Bolton. Dude is a vocal Oh
get out, get out of here killer, man, Michael, that's
my that's my top guys. You know who I thought
of that guy gets hated.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
On as a bass I don't know.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
I always tell people I don't have guilty pleasures. Man,
It's all good.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
It is.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
It's coming from the right place. It might be different,
but hell man, Like I remember me and my old
guitar tech Cody were like like ironically listening to a
limp biscuit and then like secretly were like, man, I
kind of like, it's kind of fun. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
It's Michael Bolton and Limp Biscuits. That's a bill right.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
Show.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Hey man, you you talked about you and just listen
to this right quick then we'll get into the record. Yeah,
we got hurt. You talked about your uh substance and
stuff and.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Meant that.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
We read a little bit about Curfew Fellowship and what
you're doing there and and we we found that, like
on this podcast, the more people open a boat up
about their mental health, and Hardy did it and Lee
Brice did it. Uh, it tends to it tends to
be a little light uh out there that that we
get to shine. And man, just thank you for for
everything you're doing on that on that front.

Speaker 9 (50:13):
With with the yeah, I mean absolutely, I think it's
it's great that we're all able to talk about it.
We're all able to just honestly speak about how like
really crazy we are as artists, as creative types.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
It's a different kind of thing, man.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
And you know it can still fit within that male
archetype to be honest about you know, still it still
fit in that it doesn't just because you're more sensitive
than others that just that just gives you that artistic
sensibility to be able to speak honestly situation to be
sincere and our mental health is really it's important to

(50:52):
to be mindful of, you know. So however I can
I like to just normalize talking about it. So I
appreciate y'all I'm talking about it.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
No, absolutely, all right, let's talk about your record, man.
I kind of did a little deep dive and went
back and listened to young Blood, just your last few
young Blood and then mood Swing and now Darling Blue.
It seems to me that there's like a trend with
those records. Like young Blood was was kind of same
guitar tone rock, Yeah, kind of kind of tough. You

(51:24):
get to mood Swing, it's more of like the whole
thing feels like an R and B jam.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
You know, it's it's it's smooth, it's it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
And then Darling Blues, this you know, rooted in country
music and traditional country music with some some some soul
and some you know, some blues in there. Was that
kind of is that like a picture of where you
were in your life at that time or is that
something that you've always wanted to do? Did you wanted
to make three different records kind of touch on on
on each genre?

Speaker 9 (51:52):
Man, I never really know what's going to happen when
I go to make a record, and I feel like
that's important. You know, it's to maintain the honesty and
the and the music. And that's where a producer really helps,
like bring it all together and holistically look at a
project and allow it to make sense to the listener.

(52:12):
Just to me, I'm putting everything I can into it.
And honesty is not always linear, so it's not always
going to sound like the same thing all the way through.
So when you have a good producer, they have a
good way of, you know, saying, all right, let's take this,
this and this, and then we'll have a project that
is digestible to the listener as one project. And like

(52:34):
with Young Blood, like I mean, Dan had to do
everything but prop my ass up on a mic stand
because you know, I was I was really going through it.
You know, I was raging. I was on like six
day benders and just like you know.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
You can kind of tell with those tunes too, like
you get they feel a little angsty.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, And it.

Speaker 9 (52:53):
Was, I mean, it was just you know, no matter
what state I was in, I could always play you know,
and that record to me, when I go back and
look at anything associated with it, I'm like, it was
a rough time. And and then with mood Swings, you know,
I really Rick Rubin really pushed me to go deeper

(53:14):
than I'd ever gone. I wrote for like six months
and he's like, no, you're not being honest yet.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
I was like, god, dang it.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
And then he listened to Bipolar Love, which I thought
was just a throwaway song.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
And he's like, now you're on it. You know you're
on You're on the right track right more like that,
I was like, okay.

Speaker 9 (53:34):
And then, you know, I think as artists, you're always
a little bit behind what the label's putting out, you know.
So like the week the Moodswings came out, we were
in the studio recording this album. Really yeah, I was
doing press for Moodswings in the morning and then going
to the studio in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
In a completely different mindset and making Georgia.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
And that was the first record we've done as a
band since only eighteen and really bands, me and my
drummer we started it. And having the band in the
studio and working where Marshall Tucker Band, Allman Brothers Band,
Wet Willie. I mean, god, all these all these groups

(54:17):
played in this a room and we were cutting as
much as we could live and it's like a functioning studio,
but it's it's a functioning museum where Otis Redding's piano
is there. It's a it's a heavy spot and we
had to you know, really kind of pushing to let
us you know, smoke parting there.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I don't know if I can say that on here,
but you know they're like, man, we thought about it.

Speaker 9 (54:43):
You know, well woo for breeze after you leave, and
we were like thank you.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
And so we just got real comfortable.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
And our producer Eddie Spear has a really good way
of taking all our crazy ideas and funneling it and
like really making it poignant and direction will write to
the listener's heart.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (55:03):
He had a good way of you know, working with me.
He's he's just about as crazy as I am. So
it's helpful.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (55:12):
But this record, I mean it just it feels like
every album is just an answer too closer to h
the most honest that I can be.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So that's where I feel like, come on, can I
make you play me a song? Yeah? This is my show. Yeah,
that's my show too, and I'm gonna do the same
thing we do. We do Heartlands for us.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah, this one, this one got me this morning.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I thought it was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
This there's I mean, there's a lot on there, but
this one's if you don't mind, you need to pick.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I got one here, man. I wrote this song a
few doors now, yeah you did. Actually I got over fifty. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I can't believe he wrote I didn't know he wrote
his sings. He's yeah, I wrote up with johnthan singles
and I'm like, oh, I don't like it anymore.

Speaker 9 (55:59):
That's what the first dudes I wrote with in uh
in Nashville. Okay, I got it part. That's what managing
for right there.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
You'll steal every single city line.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
See a real the knee on sign.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Seeing her name on another marquee, he reminds me.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
Weird Red the Bee.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
Even from a clouds and miles away, Holy away over
my head league.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
If you like a Sunday.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
Morning, Louia, correctly we back home. If you like the
swanen lot river the sun by scripture across my friend
Daddy is Stone love you lout the front pun swinging
Red Baars singing your pretty little Southern drawn every time.

Speaker 9 (57:16):
I fall where my heart lamb.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Keep going.

Speaker 9 (57:24):
If you don't care, I always singing the Lord.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
It sounds like you.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
I'm staring at your picture with the homesick.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
Blues three morn days till we head bass out, and
I pray that your love home give.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
Heaven from a thousand miles away, honey away my heady.
If you like Suning Morning, Halawyer.

Speaker 8 (58:12):
You're real clear, we back home.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
Love You like the swinging All River, the song Bad
Scripture about.

Speaker 8 (58:20):
My Grandaddy in Strong Love. You like the front pus
swinging red.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Beard singing, You're pretty little selling wrong every time I fall,
You wear my hord lash my horn lsses.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's my favorite. That's the gravorite.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Geez, unbelievable, unbelievable, so good song.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You're so talented, dude. Thanks, ma'am, and I do.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I gotta know it's it's cheesy to say, but like,
thanks for sharing it with us for real, man, Thanks
for coming on the podcast, Thanks for making the record
you make, Thanks for playing the shows you play. It's
a it's a treat to be able to watch you
do what you do. And what you're born to do.
And it's obvious that, like, that's that's what you do, man,
And you're the best. You're one of the best at it.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
You're the best. And it's it's freaking awesome to be
saying in the same room here and you do it.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Okay, you wait, we've got three minutes before ten thirty. Okay,
can you do a favorite? Oh yeah, any cover you
want to do, any anything. I mean, it doesn't matter anything.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
We got time. Three minutes, three minutes, three minutes.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
Okay, it's the.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Greatst song I e've written. He's doing it, He's doing it.
Do the whole thing, take time.

Speaker 11 (01:00:00):
Gonna take a free traine, die at stations, don't care
where it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Call me a mountain, highest mountain, jump.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
Off, nobody gone, no cage, see kg, See what their
woman then doing to me?

Speaker 10 (01:00:40):
Kg see.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
KG, See.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
What the woman doing to me? Send them on't find
me holding them warm her mom?

Speaker 12 (01:01:03):
Crown inside and die. Come on, lady, meet a woman.
Love never told me back, I say, Morgan, Cage, see.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Cage, see what a woman been doing me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Can't you see.

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
Cage? See what their woman.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Been doing me? Sing one more time?

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
Can't you see case see what their warmman been doing
to me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Don't mind these tears in my Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:02:11):
I told my wife yesterday I was I was, you know,
working out in the hotel gym, like halfway through the tour,
and I was listening to like Yellow Road Radio or something,
and can't you See came on and I just started crying.
I just wanted to come home so down back, and
I felt that She's like, name he was crying on
the trail, Yeah, I missed you. He's like, that's almost

(01:02:34):
kind of about a mean woman, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I was like, yeah, made me think you they can
They can all hit you in in different ways, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Oh yeah, it doesn't have to be You're a killer bro,
You're I love talking with you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
Come.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh yeah, great man tell Journey and we love him.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Can we come see the show? Please?

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah? You got this fall you come anywhere. We'll come anywhere.

Speaker 12 (01:02:58):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:02:59):
You go tomorrow is kingofficial dot com. Uh that's my
go to because I honestly I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
I got no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
We'll come see you all right, gentlemen, check out Donald
Blue Man. This guy is unbelievable. Uh, Marcus Marcus, Marcus King.
Check him out on the road this fall. We're gonna,
I'm going, I'm going somewhere to see it. Yeah, let's go, dude.
Thanks for hanging out with us, man, it's been a pleasure.
It's been a pleasure. Thanks for music, man, let's go.
Can check you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
See