Maria Shriver

On this episode of Good Friend, Jamie talks to her friend Maria Shriver about the importance of leaning in, growing up with a big family, and “flat tire friends.”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If or something already I know I'll get if I'm
a good friend. Hi, everybody, it's Jamie Lee Curtis and
you're listening to the good Friend Podcast, presented to you
by my Heart Radio. We talk about everything, We cry,

(00:22):
we laugh, we think about what it really means to
be a good friend. I have conversations with some of
my best friends, some people I've never met, and sort
of everything in between. So I hope by the end
of it that you have a really good sense of

(00:44):
what friendship means to me and the people that I
consider friends. And I hope you can take those same
ideas into your own friendship groups, and I hope you
enjoy it. I don't I'm a good friend. Don't be

(01:04):
too angne Hello, be too Agne? Isn't that the first
person on your Instagram live every single be too Agne?
How do you know? Because I don't know be to Agne.
I just know that she's always first when she comes
when I go up. What I love about it is

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she is a good friend. You know, like she is
paying attention, she's interested in you, and I love that
she's first in line. And what our listeners or my listener,
I like to believe I have one. That way, I
don't feel so alone. But I don't. I'm not, you know,

(01:48):
an ass and therefore don't like assume that there are thousands.
I just say my listener for my uninitiated listener, my
guest today is Maria Shriver, who has been a life
it feels like a lifelong friend. But the reason that
I brought up be to Agne, whoever you are, who

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happens to be the first person who logs in when
Maria Shriver does either the Sunday Paper or one of
her Instagram live events, of which I am a listener
and a viewer, Because yes, how would I know about
be to Agne if I wasn't a regular paying attention

(02:32):
to Maria Shriver person? Because I pay attention to you,
which to me is friendship. Yes, well, that's the greatest
thing I think anybody can greatest gift anybody can give
to another person is to see them right, pay attention
to them. And by paying attention to them, you understand

(02:52):
who they are, not who you think they are, or
if it's a public person, not who you read that
they are, but who they actually are. So one's attention
once time allows one to see another person. So thank
you for paying attention to been, to age wherever she is,

(03:14):
whoever she is, and to me and to me. Let's see,
I been to Agne. I wonder what she's how she
gets on there so fast all the time. Well she's
I think she's waiting because I think there is a uh,
you know, when you know that you're going to go
live at a certain time, someone can start to log
in at a certain point. I mean people. The reason

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I brought it up is when you were married to
Arnold and you would have these big Christmas parties. That's
true in sun Valley. In sun Valley, I um, my
family and I would arrive, and I believe my family
and I were always the first ones, first ones in

(03:58):
the door, always before there was one other guest. I
know that was your You're like, here she comes, the
party's about to start. Well, and what happened? And I've
talked about it somewhere in this podcast world, you know,
in some other form in some I think somebody else
made fun of me for wanting to be early and

(04:18):
for you know, we had a whole conversation about how
rude is it to be too early? And when is
it appropriate and blah, blah blah. But I brought up
the story of your Christmas party, and I brought up
that the staff, the kitchen staff also knew me as
being first in line because when the food would be
put out, there's a woman I don't know her name,

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and I certainly wouldn't out her on a podcast, but
she was in charge of basically announcing that dinner was served,
and she would do the sort of she would flick
her nose with her finger like they did in the
movie The Sting walked by me and look at me,
angle like this, Barbara Barbara. So Barbara would flick her

(05:02):
nose at me, and that meant I'd better get my
ass over to the line and I would be first
in line. And one year they actually had a plate
engraved j LC number one. Oh my god, I didn't
know that. That is genius you were. I didn't know
you were first in line. I knew you were first

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through the door, but I didn't know you also were
first in line, first in line. It's it's a it's
a thing. Anyway. It just made me laugh because of
the B two agne or been too agne or whatever.
I don't even know what that means too. I think
it's been to Agne. Now you're really making me curious
about been to Agne. I've actually been rather curious about her. Um, well,

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if I may. You are a curious person, oh, very,
and I think that is I think your legacy as
a human being, as a woman, a friend, as a daughter,
as a mother, is your curiosity that you're interested in

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people and their stories. Very has that always been that way? Always?
I've I've always, which is why journalism for me was
such wasn't is such a great fit. Because I was
naturally curious. I would always go to a situation that
I would see happening and I'd start asking questions. I

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would do it for free. Uh And who always interested me?
People's stories of triumphant of adversity. I always was fascinated
with how people overcame things, how they got through things.
And it gave me a way to meet people who
didn't grow up like me, who didn't have my life experiences.

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My journalism brought me to places that I wouldn't have
been able to go had I stayed kind of in
family unit, or had I gone into politics like other
people in my family. So journalism not only did I
go all over the world, but it gave me an
ability to enter people's lives in a way that I

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wouldn't have been able to do. And I've always loved
that sitting talking to people. I'll talk to the valet
parker guy. I'll talk to the person at Starbucks. I'll
talk to the nurse, I'll talk to the gardener, I'll
talk to whomever I can, because everybody has a story
and I'm interested in people's stories. Yeah. And and that

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makes you a good friend because that leaning in and
I have been on the other side of that lean in,
and there's an intensity and a focus that comes with
it which makes you feel like it is important to you,

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that that interchange between me and you or you and
whomever is important to you in that moment. And yes,
politicians can do that very well, but it's politicians, you
know what I mean. There's a As a journalist, it's
a different leaning. Well old politicians, Oh politicians, uh, you know,

(08:24):
kind of the ones that like I grew up with
that we're like, you know, put their arms around you
and we're really into people's lives. They were kind of
connected in people's lives in in a deep way, right,
But they were always kind of meeting people at events
and stuff like that. I found journalism to be You're

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You're still going to an event, but you're meeting people
often at their rost. You're meeting people, um who you
know are in situations that they never dreamed of, who
sometimes don't want to tell there's story, who sometimes don't
even know what their story is actually, UM who sometimes

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when you ask them questions, they're stunned at the unfolding
of their own story. I really like that. I love
to start talking to people and they'll be like, whoa
why asking me so many questions, and then they'll start
telling me and they'll be like, Wow, I haven't told
us to anybody else. I don't know why I'm telling
it to you, And I just I love that because

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then I can mirror back to that person their story
in a way that maybe they didn't hear it or
see it before. And UM, I feel like that's something
I love to do and I like to be able
to do that, is to hold up a mirror to
another person and say this is who you are, this

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is what I see. And I think we all need that.
We all need someone, as you say, to pay attention
to hold up a mirror to us and say this
is what I see. Do you know what I see?
Do you know who you are? So? I you know,
I love that writing. When I write, it's kind of
I try to write about a part of me, or

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I write what I see, or I try to write
about people that I meet, or as I said, through
my journalism. But I grew up with people who were
looking always for other people's stories and who used those
stories to really fight for um, changes in laws, fight
for a different kind of a country, fight for a

(10:34):
different reality. So um. But I so I'm just doing
it in my way, which is a different way than
my parents. But it's all storytelling. Yes. And by the way,
the mirror is going to be the SoundBite from this episode.
I can tell you now. We can stop. Now, we're
not going to, but I mean we could know seriously,

(10:54):
because I'm I keep listening and hearing these sort of
really beautiful articulations of what it means to be a friend. Yeah,
and that example of holding up a mirror and say
this is who you are, this is what I see,
this is what I hear, and that often we don't
see who we are. Often many of us and I

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dare say everyone. Sometimes have not realized our potential. Sometimes
we feel hampered either by our physical selves, and we
don't see what's behind it, whatever it is. I think
your ability the way you just said it is, you
know really what people are looking for, which is I

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see you, I hear you, I honor you, I respect you,
and I cherish you. And you know that's friendship ultimately. Well,
I think also, you know, so many of us, I
think really a real friend or really great friend will
also say, you know, I see behind what you're showing me,

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I see who you really are, because I think we
all go out into the world right with a different persona.
Sometimes we walk out we're going to give a speech,
so we put on different clothes and different demeanor right
or where in a meeting, and that's one side of us,

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or we're you know, as a mother, maybe there's a
different side of us or as a wife, for all
these sort of things. But a really good friend will say,
you know, I see that you're putting on this tough exterior.
I see that you're out there kind of controlling it.
But I know beneath all that is a sensitive, tenderhearted

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whatever the right words are, and that is when the
tears come. That's what's the most ultimate gift, I think
is somebody who's actually paid enough attention in enough different situations,
who's watched you over time and with time, who watched
you and knows really what's behind all the different facets

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that we all, you know, the different masks you can
call it, or the different personas that we all project.
And when someone does that for me, that's a wow.
And that's a friend, that's a to die for. Yeah,
that's a write a write or die. I think the
kids call them, Yeah, write or die, that's say. And

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I don't kind of have a like you know best
best you know sometimes you know, in grade school and
I still have friends who go like this is my
best friend, my best friend, And I don't do that.
I just go like, this is my friend. I remember
my cousin. I was making something for somebody and they
had all these collections, you know. I realized, I don't

(13:50):
really have anything I collect and everything she goes? Are
you kidding? I said, what she goes? You collect friends,
you collect people, you collect all kinds of people. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's I like friends, different kinds
of friends. I like different kinds of people because I think,
you know, people bring different things to your life, right,

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you know, kind of it's good to have different kinds
of friends. And I don't kind of have like a
best friend, right, I'm a best friend in a moment,
like right now, you're my best friend and I and
I feel it, but I do. I do. And I
love the idea of a cultivation collection of friends that
you do. And obviously, given your life in a public

(14:33):
family as a journalist traveling the world, you have friends
all over the world. There are people that consider themselves
your friends all over the world. I don't know about that,
but but I think there's different you know, like flat
tire friends are different, right, you know? I always think
to myself, who do who can I call in the

(14:53):
middle of the night, you know, who am I going
to be able to call? Like because it's going to
take me to a doctor's pint? Man, Those are two
different kinds of friends. I have never heard the phrase
flat tire friend. Oh really never. Oh my god, I'm
so happy. But well, you have to, like, don't you

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want to think about like who can you call if
you're if you have a flat tire? Who do you call?
In the middle of the night. If you have to
go to an emergency room, who do you call? If
you have to go to a like serious doctor's appointment,
who do you call? And you know, for a long time,
for me, that person not the flat tire, but the

(15:36):
person I always called was my mother, right, it was
she was always my you know, first call. Whenever I'd
get off the air, the first call was my mother
to me. Or when I wrote a book, first call
my mother, and then first call if I had a
problem I wanted to talk something through, first call was
my mother. And um, when she died, that left a

(15:58):
really like you which vacuum? Um? For like, who was
my go to in a bad situation? Where was I
going to go? Who was I going to reach out to?
So I had to readjust the deck chairs, you know,
I had to like make sure I had somebody that
I could that would take me to a doctor, that

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would take me or that would take my call in
the middle of the night. And so I think that
I think your friends kind of ebb and flow too.
I think, you know, that's one thing I've learned. I
say that to my kids because they get out of college,
they're like, oh, my god, it's so much harder to
stay in touch with your friends you're not in school
with them. I'm like, you know, you have to make

(16:42):
an effort with your friends, and you have to nurture
your friends, and you have to certainly during COVID. That's
been a big thing for me is checking in on
my friends, um not being able to see them, but
you know, missing them, taking note of missing them, seeing
what they give to me and uh. But I'm a

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big believer that you have to kind of nurture your
relationships as you move through life and be open. Also,
two new friends. I know people always say like you
can't make any new friends after fifty or after forty.
That's not been the case for me, and I hope
I can make more friends. And I have a lot

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of friends. You know, of my kids friends are like
you know, thirty and under. I have friends like that.
And that's something I also emulate from my parents. They
had a lot of young friends, and so as I
get older, I want to have more younger friends to
keep me like in the know, keep me, keep you current,
keep me current. I'll get if I'm a good friend,

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We'll be right back with more good friend after this
quick break, so stick around. Yeah, I know I'll get it.
If I'm a good friend. I don't know anything I
know i'll get I'm a good friend. I want to
go to your family for a minute, because someone follows
you and watches everything you do, and that might be me. Um,

(18:16):
I'm not a sort of sick of fant. I'm a
sick of friend, you know. I mean I do watch
you because I respect every area of your life as
a mother, as a professional woman, as a grandma. Um
by the way, um, and you know, obviously as a

(18:37):
public figure. But what's interesting to me is because I
follow you. I recently saw a photograph and it was
a picture of your cousins and you all were very young,
and you were talking about your cousin Sidney. She sent
me that picture. Yeah. I am not from a big family.
And for me what was interesting is, obviously, as I'm

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talking to many people from many different areas about their
early childhood and friends and how did they make friends
in school and blah blah blah, the question I have,
or what I was curious about, is you have such
an enormous family. Yeah, you are from a big, wide
ranging family with many you know, it's a big umbrella. Yeah,

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and with a lot of cousins your age, and so
when you were younger, were you able to have friends
within the school setting and or were how much of
your family became your friends? My family, Yeah, you know
I had like in grade school, I had one friend.
I think, yeah, who's still my friends today? Renee? Uh.

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And then I had kind of in middle school, I
got a friend. But my family, uh, you know, the
way I grew up was intense. It was chaotic, and
you know, my cousins were more like siblings. We all
like lived next door to each other, and we were
in this thing together. And the thing we were in

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together was intense, and it wasn't really something you could
explain to somebody else. And so, um, my cousin's Caroline,
Sydney and Courtney were like the same age as me.
Everybody else primarily was guys. They're all guys. And it

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was an unusual situation, an unusual upbringing, an unusually large family, uh,
with an unusual focus, and so kind of we were
all I think they probably now I read when I
read books now there and they say you're trauma bonded,

(20:53):
I'm like, whoa trauma bonded. That's what they referred to
it as trauma bonded. But I've read a lot about
you know, that sort of thing, and I'm deeply bonded
to my cousins and there was a lot of trauma.
So I probably I'm I used to just call it
loyal or private, but maybe I'm trauma bound. But you know,

(21:17):
my cousins, no, and my brothers, right, they know like
an upbringing that it's hard to explain to other people,
and I just don't. And that has carried you all
the way through from your youth, from your early youth,
all the way through your adult lives. Yeah, for sure.
I mean I go every year somewhere up until COVID

(21:40):
with Caroline and Sydney, and you know, we just have
our own language. It's a language that nobody else has. Really,
my best friends are also my brothers. I hang with
them if I have a choice. Um, you know, my kids,
my brothers, my cousins, I have an ease there that
you know. I don't worry with them, but I've expanded

(22:03):
beyond them. I did make friends. No I didn't. I
wasn't suggesting that you didn't make friends. No, No, but
it wasn't. It was an unusual thing, like I, you know,
and I've had several friends say to me like, well,
there's your cousins, your brothers, and then there's your friends.
And I remember, you know, several of them have said

(22:23):
that to me, and I was like, oh, wow, really
and they're like, oh yeah, no, there's your cousins and
then there's like your friends, and um, I didn't really
feel that, but I've had friends tell me that. So, right,
And you and I are friends. We don't know each
other super well in the sense of a sort of
day to day quotitian. Um, but I have an ease

(22:47):
with you that when I even if I don't see
you or talk to you for months, I sit down
and ban there's not a mist uh. It's like, so
you were saying both right, that cluttering going, are you
still wearing you know this? Or oh, by the way,

(23:08):
you got rid of all your Michael course things. I
remember that, right, yes, no, but I'm just saying so
it's kind of a and that to me is over
the years. It's through so many different situations, right, And
there's so many conversations that have transpired over decades, through

(23:32):
different situations that I don't skip a beet I go.
I can almost remember where I last you know, I
had the conversation, And that to me is a gift.
That to me is I I feel like I actually
could call you in the middle of the night and
you would come. No, I wouldn't. You wouldn't know why

(23:56):
because I go to sleep at seven thirty and I
keep my phone on slide. Well you have to. You
have to like, well, you don't have a landline. No,
you don't have a land line. Of course I have
a landline, but it's on silent too. You don't go
to bed at seven thirty every single night. See, I
didn't know that about you. Why my rhythm is I

(24:20):
wake up at four thirty five o'clock in the morning,
and I do more business at five o'clock in the
morning until seven than most people do during an entire day.
I am on fire in the morning with coffee. It's
a little coffee, but it's just my natural being. And
I when the I'm a bit of a farmer. When

(24:43):
the light goes out, I go to bed. Well, that's
really healthy for you. By the way, I got up
at four thirty today, not because I wanted to. But
when I find that I do get up at five thirty,
I'm I'm that kind of morning time. I like it
because it's quiet and I'm not doing a lot of stuff,
but I'm quiet in my brain and I'm quiet in

(25:06):
my being, and that to me is a gift. I
really need that now in my life. I don't know
how I existed all these years without it, but now
if somebody interrupts it, nobody does because nobody's but it's
it's a gift to me every morning to be able
to get up and I have my whole routine. I'm

(25:28):
a big believer in kind of morning routines, evening routines,
you know, And I love that. But I don't go
to bed at seven thirty. What what time do you
bet dinner? You know, five thirty, six o'clock or you know,
early dinners. I'm just that person, and I it works
for me. I find that I'm really quite useless after

(25:49):
five o'clock. I mean, I can, I can go after.
I'm not calling you. No, I am not the person
to call in the middle of the night, although if
somehow I am you actually wake me up, I am
that person obviously. I well, now I know I can
call you at five am. Oh, I am the person
to call at five A. There you go. We figured

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it out now, by the way, I need that. So
now we have a slot for you right in your
clock of time of friendship. I just got the five
am slot, which a lot of people don't want. By
the way, a lot of people do not want the
five am call me slot. I do want that slot.

(26:30):
God if there's not a lot of competition for this slot.
So all your with your name on it, my brother,
I'll call somebody on the East coast if I'm up
that early. But now I have a West coasting buddy. Yes.
And by the way, I wake up people on the
East coast. When I called them, they're like hello, I'm like, Hi,

(26:51):
what's up, Chipper? Chipper. I'll get if I'm a good friend.
Will be right back with more good friend after this
quick break. So tell me, Jamie, why do you want

(27:13):
to do this podcast on friends? It? Well, there's a song.
I don't know if you heard it or if you
got to hear it when I sent you the invitation email.
It's a song called good Friend by Emily King. And
first of all, I love her as an artist. It's
a song that I have listened to many times, and
one time, about a year ago, right in the middle

(27:34):
of COVID, I heard it and I thought, oh, I
miss my friends. Yeah, I miss my friends. I want
to talk about good what it means to be a
good friend, and it just it popped in my mind
and I thought, Oh, I'll do a podcast called good Friend.
I'll track down Emily King, which I did. I Twitter

(27:57):
stalked her and Facebook star sucked her and was able
to reach her and she I interviewed her and her
friend Margaret Glasbie, who I also know, and we did
I've interviewed a couple friends together as well as individuals.

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But how do you do with conflict with friends? You know?
Obviously one of the things that we talk about is,
you know, it's always great when things are groovy and
everything's good, and then it's it's difficult when either friendships
hit a bumpy patch or people move away from each other,

(28:39):
people distance from each other. Do you have I mean, like,
do you have any I mean, I'm not asking for
personal stories. I'm simply more just theoretically, how do you
deal with that? I've had, you know, friends who have
kind of faded away in their prominence in my life,
right just because they live in another state or they're

(29:00):
doing you know, our lives aren't connected in any way,
and they've just kind of I mean, I know, like
two friends kind of like that. But I pick up again,
you know, with them, but nothing kind of happened. I
think kind of having a fight with your best friend.
I know people you know who have had that is horrendous,

(29:21):
is just like horrendous. And I think I try to
communicate as much as I can throughout the relationship. I
don't know that I'm really great at bringing up like
conflict that doesn't come naturally to me to like go like, oh,
this is something that's you're doing that's irritating me. I

(29:41):
don't kind of do that. Neither do I by the way, Yeah,
I don't kind of do that, although I'm reading a
book on boundaries, so I'm learning how to do that better.
That's the other thing about growing up in a really
big family. No boundaries. Oh that's interesting, no boundaries. I
thought it was really normal to walk into people's houses
and just take what's in the refrigerator or go into

(30:03):
their pantry or you know, I grew up with people
who just came in and took my clothes, or my
brothers took you know, people's clothes. And I remember one
of the first times Arnold came to my house to visit,
and then you know, one of my brothers came down
and one of his with his belt thought and he
was like, what what is happening here? And they're like,

(30:26):
I'll just use your belt, and he's like, well you
didn't ask. He was like, oh man, that's okay, I'll
put it back. Of course he never saw it again,
but you know that's how you know, my brothers went
in and took my dad's ties, they took his belts,
they took whatever, and my cousins. You know, still, if
I go back to Hyanna Sport, you're sitting there, five
people will walk in, they'll go in and take food

(30:47):
out of they'll just sit down at the table, not
even invited. Um. So I grew up like that, which
isn't I've come to learn hated life is unusual and
many people don't like that. They want more formal boundary.
So I now, you know, make sure like all my
kids have in different places, so I wouldn't go and

(31:08):
just walk in to their house, even though that I
grew up like that with people just walking into the
house all the time. So I'm trying to kind of
make sure that I'm aware of boundaries and also having
adult children, I'm trying to learn how to phase out
but still be there, be respectful of boundaries, respectful of relationships,

(31:31):
and find my place in the this new kind of
move more into somewhat of a friend place. I'm trying
that on. Well, that was actually going to be my
final converse. Part of our conversation was simply moving into
that relationship with your adult children. You now have the

(31:52):
great opportunity of being a grandma, so you get to
watch your daughter be a mother, and you now get
to take a step back from that. And and I
was just curious about how you were handling because all
of your children are adults, and as you said that,
none of them live at home, and so everyone has

(32:12):
starting to create their own adult lives. And I have
the same thing. I hate it. I hate it, I
hate it, I hate it. So I'm reading books about it.
I've actually brought it up in therapy because I actually
want to be good at it and I want to
know do I not call my mother called me every day,

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several times a day. I don't want to do that.
I want them to know that I'm there, but I
don't want to be like in their business. So I'm
trying to I'm watching my daughter parent and I'm learning
to wait until I'm asked for my opinion about parenting.
And so she had her child during COVID, so that

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had a whole you know, a bunch of protocols around that,
and I just followed her lead because her protocols were strict.
They are strict, and so I am grateful for whatever
FaceTime I get with Lila Maria, and I'm um. I
understand that this is her turn, this is her story

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to tell, this is her experience to have with her husband.
And I'm trying on a new role and I'm looking
forward uh to watching myself and experiencing that new role
for myself. And I'm actually at this part at time

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in my life. I'm really excited to delve into lots
of new experiences. Oh. I want to be a grandmother. Oh,
I want to be a really long term friend. I
want to be a different kind of friend. I want
to you know, many of my friends are getting older.
What kind of friend do they meet now? It's very

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different from you know, friends I met when I was two.
We're running around shooting stories and going here and going there.
Those same people are still in my life, but they
need something different from me now. So paying attention coming
back to that, paying attention as to what my friends
need now from me is what I'm interested in learning. Well,

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thank you, Thank you for being here and helping all
of us kind of look at the mirror of how
we are with our friends and what we do with
and for them. Well, I want to hold up a
mirror to you, because you are you know, when you
talk about watching me, I watch you too, and I have,

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as I have said to you all along, so much
admiration for you as a wife, as a mother, as
a friend, as a social activist, as an author, as
somebody who's using her life for good, and um, in
all ways and in a myriad of ways, who uses

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your voice in I just step back sometimes when I
listen to you talk about your sobriety, when I listen
to you get involved in politics, when I listen to
you about your relationship, when I listened to you about
your craft, um, about your own growing up with famous parents.
I'm in awe. I'm so happy that you use your

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voice that way, and I'm so proud of you for
doing so. And I know what inner strength has been
required that you have used to get to where you
are today. I know it hasn't been easy, and I
applaud it. Thank you very much. That was my guest

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Maria Shriver on the Good Friend podcast. And so for
all of the listener, or maybe you're maybe the listener
has a friend now, maybe maybe we have two friends.
I would say we definitely have two friends after that conversation. Um,
whatever it is, stay safe out there. God bless you all,
and thank you Maria. Big kiss, God bless you. I

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love you, God bless you. Bye bye. Good don't. Good
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