November 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Yahoo Sports contributor Maggie Hendricks joins Sarah to discuss the biggest college hoops storylines, the upcoming games she has circled on her calendar, the best reactions she’s gotten to her famous cookies, and the very unprofessional cheering she’ll be doing during the upcoming Milan-Cortina Winter Olympics. Plus, Carolina Blue is always in, winning a tie game, and a reminder to always vote.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're clinging
to good news like it's the door in Titanic. The
Supreme Court officially rejected a call to overturn its decision
legalizing same sex marriage. Suck it, Kim Davis, long live
marriage and gay shit. It's Tuesday, November eleventh, and on
today's show, we'll be chatting with Yahoo Sports contributor Maggie
Hendrix about the biggest college hoop storylines, the upcoming games
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she has circled on her calendar, and the event she's
most excited to watch at the upcoming Milan Courtina Winter Olympics.
Plus Carolina Blue is always in winning a tie game,
and a reminder to always vote. It's all coming up
right after this welcome back slices. Here's what you need
to know today. Let's start with the NWSL. The league
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announced the nominees for its twenty twenty five end of
season awards on Monday, including the five finalists for Most
Valuable Player, San Diego's Delphine Cascarino, Kansas City's teen Wushewinga
got the Esterere Gonzales, North Carolina's Manaka, and Kansas City's
Bia Zanarut. We'll link to the full list of nominees
for the other awards in the show notes so you
can consider your picks for Defender of the Year, Goalkeeper
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of the Year, Midfielder of the Year, Rookie.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of the Year, and Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And because we care about election integrity here on Good Game,
a quick recap of how the process works. The NWSL
awards are determined using two rounds. In the first round, players, owners,
general managers, coaches, and media vote to determine the finalists.
Once the finalists are decided, fans get a say. It's
worth ten percent of the final weighted calculation. So if
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you want to have your voice heard, you have until
Wednesday at eight pm Eastern. We'll link to the voting
form in the show notes and new for this year,
the winners are going to be announced at a special
award show that will broadcast live on ESPN two next Wednesday,
the nineteenth, ahead of the NWSL Championship game. More NWSL
a belated shout out to the five players who logged
iron Woman status this season by playing in every minute
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of every regular season game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
North Carolina's Kaylee.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Kurtz actually completed her fourth consecutive Iron Woman season, playing
ten thousand minutes straight. The other four Iron Women are
BFC's Caprice stad Asco, Seattle's Claudia Dickey, Chicago's Taylor Malam,
and Utah's Kate Delfava. Now, I think the NWSL needs
to line up a sponsor for this honor. Maybe Icy
Hot their body hyper Rice. These ladies deserve to win
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some fancy ass treatment tools for the toll they put
on their bodies to field hockey. The bracket for the
Division one NCAA tournament is set following the conclusion of
conference play on Sunday. Friend of the Show Aaron Mattson
and UNC claimed the number one overall seat in the
eighteen team bracket after finishing the regular season with a
nineteen to one record and winning the program's ninth straight
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ACC title, Yes ninth straight. The tar Heels will be
looking to win a third NCUBLEA title in four years
after Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Took the top prize last season.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Speaking of Northwestern, Friend of the Show Tracy fuchs Husky's
face finish their season eighteen and one, won the Big
Ten Conference title and earned consistent top two rankings in
the NFHCA coaches pol all season long, but they were
not awarded a top four seed in the NCAA tournament
for the first time since twenty twenty one. The tournament's
four team plan is this Wednesday, with the first round
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getting underway on Friday. All games will be streamed on
ESPN Plus and we'll link to the full bracket in
the show notes. To Pro Volleyball Lone Star Sports and Entertainment,
the sister company of the NFL's Houston Texans announced it's
acquired the Love Houston team. The news came on the
same day that Love announced the full schedule for the
upcoming twenty twenty sixth season, with Houston slated to open
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it season on January eighth, playing host to Love Salt Lake.
Among Houston Stars is two time Olympic medallist and twenty
twenty five Love Pro opposite Hitter of the Year Jordan Thompson,
who you might recall will be returning to Texas fresh
off winning this year's AU.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Pro Volleyball title.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
More volleyball, this time at the college rates twenty four
games into the season and the Nebraska Huskers remain undefeated,
most recently posting a three set sweep of Illinois to
extend its run of consecutive sets one to forty three.
They haven't dropped to set since early September. To the
ice where the PWHL has announced an expanded Takeover Tour
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for the twenty twenty five to twenty sixth season, with
sixteen neutral site regular season games set to be played
outside the league's current cities. Last year's Takeover Tour drove
over one hundred and twenty three thousand fans in just
nine games, helping drive interest in fandom during the league's
second season. This year and its third season, teams will
play in seven new cities, including Calgary, Dallas, Halifax, Hamilton, Washington,
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d C, Winnipeg, and Chicago, and they'll also be returning
to Denver, Detroit, Edmonton, and Quebec City. Tickle to be
available starting with pre sales beginning this Thursday, followed by
general on sale on Friday, and you could bet your
ass I'm gonna be there when the PWHL hit Chicago
in December and March. Finally, to college hockey, the latest
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u USACHO rankings came out on Monday, and they tell
the same story as previous weeks. With Wisconsin secure in
the number one spot after receiving all twenty first place votes.
The Badgers haven't actually played since November first, though, as
they opted to take their WCCHA bye week at the
same time as the USA Canada Rivalry Series week good
timing with five members of the Wisconsin rosters suiting up
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for Team USA's two wins. Lots of other teams were
in action over the weekend, though, including a battle between
number seven Quidnipiak and number eleven Clarkson, which came down
to a shootout after neither team managed to find the
back of the net in regulation or the five minute
overtime period. Clarkson's Janelle Evans scored the lone goal in
the shootout, good enough to secure a zero zero tie.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Even though Evans scored and Clarkson technically got the edge
in the shootout, ECAC rules dictate that in women's hockey,
shootout results count the same as a tie, so this
one will go down as zero zero.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
This seemed bonkers to us, so we reached out to
resident women's college hockey expert and Fred of the show,
Nicole Hasey, who confirmed that the EAC the AC system
is not normal. Every other major women's hockey conference awards
two points for an overtime or shootout win and one
point for an overtime or shootout loss, but in the ECAC,
both teams get one point five points if no one
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scores an overtime worth noting that on the men's side,
the ECAC does award points for a shootout win.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So we continue to have questions.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We got to take a quick break, just enough time
to preheat the oven, increase up the cookie sheet to
get ready for Maggie.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Hendrix, come on back joining us now.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
She's a contributor to Yahoo Sports, focusing on women's sports
and the Olympics, with pass stops at Bally Sports, the
Athletic USA Today, the Olympics website, and six seventy The
Score in Chicago. Her work as a writer, editor, and
radio host has been noted by Best American Sports Writing,
Associated Press, Sports Editors, and the Gracie Awards. She did
her undergrad at Maszoo and her master's at Loyal University.
She sews clothes, quilts, and and bakes cookies for her
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fellow journals. Mom to Sally, the Dog, Lover of Cycling,
and All Things Chicago. She's done over seven hundred and
fifty bar classes at Pure Bar, which means she's endured
at least seven hundred and fifty days of sore cheeks.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's Maggie Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Hi, Maggie, Hi Sarah, thank you for having me on.
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That is two many days of sore cheeks in my book,
But I commend you on your efforts. First things, First,
Master of Arts in religious education at Loyal I did
not know this.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tell me more, what was the plan.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes, the plan was become a like high school religion
teacher and then right, yeah, because I went to Catholic
High School in Chicago. When I found that was very
like that. My teachers really impacted me, and I was
kind of just looking for what I wanted to do
next in the world in my late twenties, and unfortunately,
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Catholic High School started to close at a precipitous rate
right around when I graduated, and it was also when
my sports journalism career was taking off. So I have
the education and I'm really glad I do. I think
it helps me navigate this world that we're in now,
in particularly now better. But it's not my career, funny enough.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating. Okay. Second most important the cookies.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
We know that your cookies are a thing of lore
in the sports world. Courtney Vanderslute made a point of
mentioning how much she would miss them when she left
Chicago for New York, and then clearly couldn't stay away
because she came back to the sky presumably for your cookies,
maybe also her wife and family, but obviously for the cookies.
There is a lot of Maggie Hendrick's cookie lore. What
is the most famous tail in your mind?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is it, Courtney?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Is it Sandy Brundello turning them down like something else
I'm not aware of.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, Kurtin Miller turned them down because I had made
a bunch of them during the twenty twenty one Chicago
Sky Run, and after that he said, no, those cookies
taste like defeat to me. I cannot have them, all right.
I appreciate that. And my second favorite moment from that
particular run was Natisha Heideman reaching in, grabbing a cookie,
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taking a bite, and then going back and grabbing a
few more. I was like, all rights of approval. Well,
I'll always be proud of that you are.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Dubbed like a semi professional baker. It is no joke,
these cookies, and it is the joy of everybody that
works games with you to discover that you will be
there and the cookies will be there. So you're obviously
a very multi talented, versatile human. I love seeing the
photos of the bags and clothes you make and all
the stuff you're working on on the art side when
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you're not at sports. But how did you end up
being a sports reporter then? If you were busy being
crafty and religious.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, I'll be honest, the crafty and baking came later
on after the sports thing. I just had always loved
sports and have always followed sports growing up here, growing
up a Bears fan and a Bolls fan, just like
for you. The nineties Bulls were incredibly influential for my life,
and I interned with the Bulls in two thousand and one.
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I was a season ticket sales in turn, and I
was not good at that at all. I can't I
can't sell anything, but you know, it's just not my
skill set. But after that, I was having a hard
time finding a job in sports, so I just went
into like fundraising stuff like that. And then I started
a blog as like just a side thing because I
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just felt like I wanted to write. And this was
like two thousand and seven ish, when like dead Spin
and all like kind of the golden era of sports blogs,
when we were just starting to be a thing, and
there were so many of them out there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They were very broie, but if you were willing to
pick through the like Hattie of the week and all
the misogynist bullshit, it was a fun time to be
a sportsman, to be young and have there be so
much sarcastic, cutting edge sort of like funny content out there.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Absolutely, and so many places like turned into communities. Dead
Spin in particular turned into such a community. And actually
that's how I first met my husband, was like online
talking about sports with him in the in these in
these you know, spots, all online. And so I started
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my own and then in two early in two thousand
and eight, Yahoo Sports put out a call that they
were looking for people to do Olympics blogging. And I
love the Olympics. I think I always will. And I
had to actually do a tryout blog that I ran
for a month before they would hire me.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh I know, I look back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
At that and I'm like, I can't believe I agreed
to do all that, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, I at one point was writing a blog
that got paid by hits. If that tells you how
early on you're pretty much like, I know, I'm not
going to make any money off of this exactly, but
this is the only way to get my foot in
the door, so you'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I knew that the chance of working
at Yahoo would be really a big deal because they
were just starting out the Yahoo Sports blogs. It was
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It was huge at the time.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, absolutely, And so then I got I did get hired.
I also we were looking for a name for the
blog and I had for mine. I had the name
fourth Place Metal, So I was like, oh, you guys
can just take my name. Later, somebody asked me how
much I got paid for it, and I was like,
should I have gotten? Yeah? I know that was that
was a bad move on my part. Then I started
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with Yahoo for five years and started covering the UFC
and mixed martial arts with that, and then did some
NFL and then it's just kind of taken off from there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, wait, brief detour because I can't believe I was
going to forget to ask you about this, But for
those who don't know, part of the less joyful Maggie
Hendrick's Lord that often comes up is your foray into
UFC MMA and interactions with the I was gonna say
less savory characters, but are there any savory characters.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
In that world?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's kind of tough to find them at times. Yeah, whatever,
going to share. Yeah, can you tell us about this
like pivotal moment, because for me it was it stood
up there with so many other examples that I have
personally and so many other women who came up around
the same time and were trying to set an example
that you could have women in this space and that
they should be treated with respect. The stuff we had
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to go through to sort of help create a space
for the ones coming after us, because I mean, you
really took it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean the abuse that I took online from
fans in the MMA world. And it wasn't just fans,
it was other writers, and of course, most notably it
was Joe Rogan. He didn't like something I had written
about Rampage Jackson and he went on this very popular
chat board or whatever fan board of MMA that like
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thousands and thousands of people were on. It wasn't like
some small thing. It was like the place you went
to to discuss MMA. And he called me the C word.
And the funny thing is is a year before that, yeah,
who had to send a season desist letter to somebody
else who had printed T shirts saying Maggie Hendricks is
a seaword And it didn't say seaword, it said the
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whole thing. Yeah, so it was It was a lot
because the thing about Joe Rogan was it was annoying
that he said it, Like I was upset about it
that somebody that I looked to as a voice in
the sport said that about me. But then his like
followers and this was before the podcast, but still his
followers just inundated every social media thing I had. One
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of them sent my mom a message like all kinds
of stuff like that, and it was so I remember
it happened around the same time that I graduated from
grad school, and like the two things happening at the
same time, it was the most bizarre balance of joyous
and angry at the same time. But you know, it
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was what it was also one of those things, like
I wanted to quit, and I had a good friend
tell me, if you quit, you let them win. I'm
I'm not letting you quit. And I said, okay, all right,
I'm gonna I'll keep going. And then I stayed and
stuck around and covered Amma for another two years. But
it was it wasn't easy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So it's while you were finishing up your religious studies.
And I'm not religious at all, but I'm pretty sure
there's like a God gives his toughest battles to his.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Strongest soldiers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
If there is a guy there, he they she were
trying to send you a message to power through that
you're strong enough to deal with it. Yeah, I mean,
I just it's sort of mind blowing to me, even
that it's in my same lifespan and not that long ago,
that we were dealing with that pretty much regularly all
the time, just for sports opinions, not even things that
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should be inciting that kind of anger. But also Joe Rogan,
so is anyone really surprised seeing what he's done with
his life?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
When did you.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Become interested in focusing on women's sports and start to
pivot to doing a lot of coverage of both women's
Olympic and also basketball and other sports.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's funny. In twenty thirteen, one of the last like
big MMA events I went to was the first women's
fight that it was Rody Rashi and Liz Kamrouche, and
I was I was not sent to a lot of fights,
like I didn't travel that much when I was my
first time with Yaku. But when that fight happened, I said,
I'm going like, this isn't to a question I've been.
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I've gone through too much to not see the first
women's fight and it was the most incredible environment. And
I wrote something the Sunday after that and said, I
just am so excited that I get to continue, and
I hope I get to cover a lot more women's
sports after this. And I must have spoke it the
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right way into the universe, because I moved over to
USA today not long after that, and I did started
to cover more Olympics, more Olympics, and then the big
thing was in twenty nineteen, I was freelancing. I think
I was at a White Sox game covering a White
Sax game, and John Greenberg of the Athletics said to me, hey,
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we're kind of looking for a skywriter. Would you want
to do that? Because the athletic was really starting to
invest more money into covering women's basketball, and I said, yeah,
that sounds like fun. And then since I mean, I
watched women's basketball and I've written some things about it
when I was with USA today, but it hadn't been
like a full time focus, and I've loved everything of
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becoming part of this world.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Let's talk about women's college troops, because you're writing a
lot about that right now for Yahoo's Sports. We're a
week or so into the season. What has stood out
to you so far in just these early games.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I think the thing I love the most is how
so many teams are not waiting till their conference, or
not even waiting till the second month of the season.
Like you can look at UCLA. They are playing Oklahoma
and North Carolina within four days of each other in
the second week of the season. I love that about
women's basketball that they most teams are gonna make sure
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if they're ranked, they have at least one ranked opponent
it in that first month. It used to be my thing, like, oh,
you only wait to you're in the year. They award
the championship when it comes to basketball, both college and pro.
But now it's like, no, you can't wait, you need
to start watching it immediately.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And so many of the early storylines are seeing new
players that have arrived in different places that we want
to see what it looks like freshmen that we get
excited about. Like the women's game has a longer tail
and a longer storyline because players stick around for longer.
Like in the men's game, you can kind of be like, hey,
I'm gonna wait till March madness because that's what matters
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the most, and then these player are gonna be off
and I'm gonna be looking at new people next year.
But in the women's game, there's this like building and
growth that happens. And one of the things I've been
looking at is these teams with a lot of movement,
like South Carolina and LSU and who will step up
and be thus star And what I've seen so far
and again very limited, very small sample size, but the
balance tacks these teams having six or seven players in
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double digits in these early games, and I'm wondering if
that can be a through line for the whole season
for them where you don't need the one star that
maybe you've looked to in the past. You instead just
have this barrage of talent that at any night can
can take you out.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, it's such a big change from when we're watching
the WNBA to now watching these college teams because the
WNBA is such a star kind of league where you're saying, like, Okay,
is Brian start going to have a big night? Is
Asia Wilson going to have a big night? And if
they don't, then their teams have to figure something out.
But yeah, you see so many players in like South
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Carolina is a great example of that, after so many
players left because of graduation, Malaysia foot widely transferring Chloe
Kitts being injured unfortunately for the season, other players have
to step up and we're already starting to see that,
and we're going to see Tania Lats and so you're
basically it's more that you kind of have to have
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this balanced attack. You can't put it on one player.
And the other side of that too is also you
know a lot of these players are very mature and
able to handle whatever the basketball world throws at them,
but they're still eighteen to twenty three year olds, and
you can't you can't ever forget that when you're talking
about college basketball, and they don't know how to handle
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the things that life throws them, as they will when
they get a few more years experience in them. So
you see that on the court. Sometimes you see a
player all of a sudden forgetting out to play basketball
for no good reason. Yeah, and like, whenever that happens,
I'm always like, eighteen to twenty three, don't their frontal
cortext isn't fully formed yet they're getting It's.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Amazing it doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
The professionalization of the college game is really so impressive,
and the amount that these athletes are now balancing with
NIL and podcasts and all the other things. I mean,
LSU alone. Flage Johnson has like five careers already. She
is like more accomplished than will ever be and.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
She's still in college. Anyword on Siana BET's debut.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think we're all really excited to see UCLA with
two Bets in the game. Are you hearing anything about
what we might get to see her come out and play?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I haven't heard anything on exactly what and when we'll
see her. I think what's exciting about Sienna and her
joining her sister is how often we're seeing discussion about
how they are different people and they're going to bring
different things to the team, but sisters still compliment each
other in ways that and they understand each other in
ways that nobody else can. So I still am just
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really excited to see those connections on the court because
we know they exist, and we know we're going to
see that even though they are very different people, different
players all that, I'm still just so thrilled that we're
going to get to experience some of that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Weird connection where they unspoken which we might get to
see on the court, assuming that they stay in each
other's good graces, which does seem like it'll be an
interesting thing to balance all season long for head coach
Corey Close Feisty. Those two couple good contests that are
coming up this Saturday. First, we've got USC versus SC
South Carolina. Freshman stand out Jossey Davidson just helped the
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Trojans to a big win over number nine NC State.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
She had twenty one point shit the game winner.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Meantimes, South Carolina has kind of coasted through the games
early in their schedule, they've been gimmes.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
What are you looking for in this one? That the
battle of the scs.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well with Jesse Davidson. I'm really looking to see if
she can she can kind of come down after such
an exciting win and see and that was just her
second game in college. It's still she looked so calm
and mature. She made that game winning basket. It's a
normal cut to the basket. Sure, let me make this layup,
and it didn't look like a freshman out there. And
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see if she can if she can keep that going,
and also seeing how London Jones can keep contributing because
she was a huge part of that win too.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, London Jones transferring over from the rival UCLA hops
across town to usc and has been big. And of
their first two games same day Saturday, we've got Michigan
versus Notre Dame. That's a rematch of their second round
game in last ye's NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
What should we watch for in this one?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I am fascinated to see what becomes of Notre Dame
this season.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I am just as fascinated because it kind of feels
like this is a make or break season for Nei
l Ivy that she needs to get something done and
get a team pass to Sweet sixteen. And I was
I was at that game last year when Notre Dame
in Michigan played, and it was such a fun environments,
such a good fun game, and I was thinking about, like,
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how these two teams are going to match up. It's
going to be a very different game. It's very It's
not the same Notre Dame team. So we're going to
have to see Hannah Hidalgo really own the team and
own the game. You know, we talk about like the
balanced attack for other teams, that's not what Notre Dame
needs to be. It needs to needs it needs be
Hannah's game. And at the same time, on the other side,
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we're going to get to see Silas Swords play as
a much more mature player, more experience. It's funny to
say more experience though, because she came into Michigan as
an Olympian who had just gotten back from Paris and
then went to ann Arbor, So you know, I mean,
it's funny to think of her, but I do think
we're going to get to see her take more ownership
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of the team. She had some great seniors last year
who have graduated, like Jordan Hobbs, so now they've moved on.
So we're going to get to see some players, see
how Silah really owns the team, and we'll get see
even some great matchups between those two. I'm excited because
I also really enjoy how Kim Barnsarico has been running
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that program at Michigan and how she's been kind of
doing that, building slowly but building a lot of loyalty
in making sure her team stayed together. So I'm excited
to see just not just this game, but also what
Michigan continues to do.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
In your preseason Bold Predictions column, you've got Duke going
to the Final four. They did drop opener to Baylor,
but plenty of season left. What do you like about
Carol Lawson squad?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I like that, First of all, you want to talk
balanced attack. I mean, she's having a hard time figuring
out exactly what her starting lineup is because she has
so many good players. Toby Fournier could be a starter,
she could not. You know, there's a lot of there's
a lot of movement between that, but I think that
depth is what I find so exciting. If God forbid
they have an injury, if they have some player who
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can't play for a couple of weeks, they have enough
players to keep pushing it forward. And you know, we
keep hearing, we've heard kro Lawson's her viral thing about
learn how to handle hard better. Now this team has
been together for a few years, they played under her
for a few years, and I feel like that's what
we're going to see from them, is that they're going
to be a team that can handle the adversity.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, transfer portal has fundamentally changed college sports and hoops
in particular. And while I am definitely all for player
empowerment and the ability for them to choose their career
and how it looks, I do agree with some folks
that I think the first transfer should be a freebe
and any transfer after that should require a year of
sitting out first, sort of limit the amount of bouncing
around between teams. I think it makes things tough for coaches,
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for other players, it makes things tough for the player
moving around. They never really establish an academic through line,
a sense of team, or a commitment to a program
and figuring out how to play through adversity, and I
especially hear that from a lot of older athletes who say,
you know, you've got to be able to fight through
some of that stuff instead of just picking somewhere new.
What do you think about how the transfer portal has
affected women's college hoops and how it changes the landscape,
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especially at the beginning of seasons like this where we're
trying to figure out where everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Ended up and who they're playing with.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean, we always need those reminders of like, oh wait,
she's there, Oh okay of starting the season. And I
agree with you about the second The second transfer is
a bit too much because I mean also, like you
and I are somebody people who really enjoyed our college
experiences and have a lot of loyalty to our alma maters,
and like you never get that. You never get that feeling.
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So that is I agree with you. But I think
the way it really can change things is a team
can change on a dime if they get the right transfer.
And it also means that coaches have to almost like
continue to recruit throughout the season, and that to me
has to be a difficult thing for a coach to
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have to do because sometimes you also have to be
hard on these players because that's part of coaching. So
I think that's one of the interesting things is we're
seeing different kind of relationships be created with these between
the players and coaches, and I think the coaches who
have handled it best are the ones who have proven
to be adaptable in this. We're seeing how you know,
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Don Sale will do tiktoks with their players. We're seeing
Geno Oriama like, we're seeing like almost like a softer
side of Geno come out where he will be the grandpa.
And you know, it doesn't strike me as somebody who's
truly concerned about the transfer portal, but at the same time,
like perhaps that's part of what has pushed this sort
of softer sided Geno out. Well.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think we've had him on the show, and he
certainly talks about how generations of players are different and
what worked with previous generations does not work with the
current group, and so he's had to learn how to
be a softer jentler Gino. But he has not had
a problem with the transfer portal very much almost ever.
I mean, Elena deladon Is I think the biggest example
of someone who originally was going to go there and
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change her mind but I mean, even Don Staley, who
has a tremendous relationship with so many of her players,
lost big names in recent years, and so nobody's really
immune to the itch to go somewhere else. And the
question is is it sometimes the best choice for a player?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is it sometimes potentially a rash decision made out of
anger or frustration. And there's a lot to be learned
and gained by sticking in a situation that isn't perfect.
The other thing I've been looking at in terms of
the changing landscape is if the new WNBACBA gets passed
and the rules change around player eligibility, you have to
wonder if women's hoops might begin to suffer from the
same one and done problem that happens in the men's game.
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A lot of people don't get attached to men's college
basketball the same way up until the tournament and then
just for their brackets, because the players aren't in the
game long enough for fans to really get to know
them and want to watch them.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
A lot of want and done.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's been a big part of driving up numbers in
the women's game in recent years is being able to
follow storylines and teams year to year and get really
excited when a season starts up to pick up where
you left off. Are you worried at all about how
the potential change to eligibility might impact the success and
that line that we've seen go straight up in recent
years maybe not continuing to go straight up in terms
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of viewership, attendants, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah. I mean, I think one of the things that
had been happening with the WNBA and women's college basketball
was a rising tide lifts all boats everything. A player
stays four years and then she goes to the w
so we will get to follow her continually. I think
it is going to change things, and it might come
to a point where instead of everybody working together to
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raise all of women's basketball, there is going to be
some you know, just the two fighting each other, which
will be a shame because while I do think it's
the most fair thing to allow players to go when
they think they're ready, I also think that there's not
a ton of players who have been ready before their
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junior year. There's maybe Brienna Stewart, Page Beckers, maybe Caitlin Clark,
but she.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Was I think Jewe Lloyd made the right move.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think Jewe Lloyd. Yes, but there's not a ton
of players who recently. Maybe a Leah Boston would have been,
but like, physically, not a ton of players were ready.
They had not hit the weight room nearly enough. And
we see that with a lot. We always joke about
the welcome to the league moments with the rookies, but
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they're a real thing because and the reason we don't
see as many of them as their sophomore their second campaigns,
it's because they have hit the weight room and they
are a little bit ready, more ready for those hits.
But I think physically it's something that needs to really
be If the CBA is going to allow that, they
need to put a lot of safeguards in and kind
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of like the same thing that the NBA and the
NCAA finally put in place to where if you get
an you don't get an agent. You see how things go.
That to me would make a lot of sense if
they do that from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's almost so hard though with the timeline it's such
a quick turnaround it is to decide if you're going
to commit and then if you don't get drafted or
how that works. And I think also beyond just being
physically ready. Even though there are more teams and more spots,
even though the pay is better and will be hopefully
with the new CBA even better, it is still a
real risk to leave college without a degree and try
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to enter a league that is so limited in terms
of players that stick, and then have the rest of
your life.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You know, you can go back to school.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But I think it was really to protect players for
a really long time, and I don't know that the
dynamics have shifted so much now that that protection isn't
still necessary.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But I do think to your.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Point, we shouldn't limit women athletes in a way that
we don't for any other job based on just age.
We should allow them to make their own decisions and
hope that they have the right advisors around them. Before
we let you go, I have to talk about Olympic
sports quickly, because you've been on our show before actually
delivering a voice note about a figure skating story. We
know that you're big in the Olympic sports. About three
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months out from Milan Courtina Games, what are you most
excited for?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I am really excited about figure skating as usual. I'm
excited because we actually have American women to be excited
about Alyssa Lou, Amber, glenn Is Boa, Leavito. They are
some really exciting skaters who can compete for gold. And
like I said earlier this year, a Lisa Lou, her
comeback from retirement to world champion was, you know, just
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still something I can't even believe happened. And then on
the men's side, Ilia mallin In for the US is
just doing things with his body that I'm not sure
anybody ever figured any human could do. He's doing six
quad jumps in one for four minutes and forty seconds,
and he's delivering six quad jumps and he's able to Also,
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he has really improved down the artistry and the other
parts of skating too, so he's not He was a
one note skater for a while and he's not anymore.
So figure skate is exciting. And I gotta say the
person I'm cheering for the most in these Olympics, which
is completely unethical of me, and I'll take it, is
Alana Meers Taylor, the bob sletterm. Sure you know Alana,
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she's a bob sledter, she's a mom to two special
needs kids, she is a wonderful human who will just
absolutely give you the shirt off her back. She's going
for her fourth Olympics. She doesn't have any gold medals,
and man, there's anybody I want to walk out with
a gold medal, it is Alana Myers Taylor because just
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because she's if they gave gold medals for being great people,
she would have like eighty.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Of them and for long term greatness.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She's just been in the game for a long time,
dominating in so many different ways, but looking for that gold.
Incredible human great I love that that shout out, all Right,
any other athletes or storylines we should be getting to now,
we're keeping tabs on now with a couple months to go,
I think keep.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
An eye on speed skating and Aaron Jackson. She was
I believe, the first black woman to win a speed
skating medal for the US, and she has much bigger
expectations on her and everything this season. And also, of course,
we have to keep an eye out for the best
love story in the Winter Olympics, which is the speed
skater Britney bow and Olympic hopefully Olympic hockey player Hillary Knight.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We love the pucks, engay shit and we love that
doing particular.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
In fact, you might be hearing from them on this
very show thanks to producer Alex coming up in the
next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, tmsa versus Team Canada Women's Talkie is some of
my favorite games I've ever watched it any sport. They're
just always so so good. Okay, last question, good, good
or goodest. It's like bench dart cut, but you don't
have to cut anything. Something is good, something is gooder,
and something is goodest. So starting with good, you have
to rank these snicker doodle cookies okay, chocolate chip cookies,
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short bread.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Cookies okay, good it'll be short bread okay. And by
the way, I'm going with all of my baked cookies
on this, yeside basing this on your own personal Yeah,
gooder is my chocolate chip. My chocolate chip are good,
but my snicker doodles are Goodestoo.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like short bread. It's fine. It
just never really knocks my socks off.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's a fine cookie if that's the only cookie I'm offered,
But I will always take snicker doodle, chocolate chip, oatmeal, raisin,
peanut butter, pretty much all the other kinds of molasses. Oh,
I can really get behind the molasses.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I make a good like gingery molasses cookie, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Glasses, ginger snap, any of that. Yeah, that's a winner,
and you're a winner, Maggie. Thanks so much for coming on.
You love having you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
This is a blast.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thanks again to Maggie for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
We have to take another break when we come back,
but ware the slow page load.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Welcome back, slices.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
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Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're clinging
to good news like it's the door in Titanic. The
Supreme Court officially rejected a call to overturn its decision
legalizing same sex marriage. Suck it, Kim Davis, long live
marriage and gay shit. It's Tuesday, November eleventh, and on
today's show, we'll be chatting with Yahoo Sports contributor Maggie
Hendrix about the biggest college hoop storylines, the upcoming games
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she has circled on her calendar, and the event she's
most excited to watch at the upcoming Milan Courtina Winter Olympics.
Plus Carolina Blue is always in winning a tie game,
and a reminder to always vote. It's all coming up
right after this welcome back slices. Here's what you need
to know today. Let's start with the NWSL. The league
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announced the nominees for its twenty twenty five end of
season awards on Monday, including the five finalists for Most
Valuable Player, San Diego's Delphine Cascarino, Kansas City's teen Wushewinga
got the Esterere Gonzales, North Carolina's Manaka, and Kansas City's
Bia Zanarut. We'll link to the full list of nominees
for the other awards in the show notes so you
can consider your picks for Defender of the Year, Goalkeeper
(01:11):
of the Year, Midfielder of the Year, Rookie.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of the Year, and Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And because we care about election integrity here on Good Game,
a quick recap of how the process works. The NWSL
awards are determined using two rounds. In the first round, players, owners,
general managers, coaches, and media vote to determine the finalists.
Once the finalists are decided, fans get a say. It's
worth ten percent of the final weighted calculation. So if
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you want to have your voice heard, you have until
Wednesday at eight pm Eastern. We'll link to the voting
form in the show notes and new for this year,
the winners are going to be announced at a special
award show that will broadcast live on ESPN two next Wednesday,
the nineteenth, ahead of the NWSL Championship game. More NWSL
a belated shout out to the five players who logged
iron Woman status this season by playing in every minute
(01:58):
of every regular season game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
North Carolina's Kaylee.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Kurtz actually completed her fourth consecutive Iron Woman season, playing
ten thousand minutes straight. The other four Iron Women are
BFC's Caprice stad Asco, Seattle's Claudia Dickey, Chicago's Taylor Malam,
and Utah's Kate Delfava. Now, I think the NWSL needs
to line up a sponsor for this honor. Maybe Icy
Hot their body hyper Rice. These ladies deserve to win
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some fancy ass treatment tools for the toll they put
on their bodies to field hockey. The bracket for the
Division one NCAA tournament is set following the conclusion of
conference play on Sunday. Friend of the Show Aaron Mattson
and UNC claimed the number one overall seat in the
eighteen team bracket after finishing the regular season with a
nineteen to one record and winning the program's ninth straight
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ACC title, Yes ninth straight. The tar Heels will be
looking to win a third NCUBLEA title in four years
after Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Took the top prize last season.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Speaking of Northwestern, Friend of the Show Tracy fuchs Husky's
face finish their season eighteen and one, won the Big
Ten Conference title and earned consistent top two rankings in
the NFHCA coaches pol all season long, but they were
not awarded a top four seed in the NCAA tournament
for the first time since twenty twenty one. The tournament's
four team plan is this Wednesday, with the first round
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getting underway on Friday. All games will be streamed on
ESPN Plus and we'll link to the full bracket in
the show notes. To Pro Volleyball Lone Star Sports and Entertainment,
the sister company of the NFL's Houston Texans announced it's
acquired the Love Houston team. The news came on the
same day that Love announced the full schedule for the
upcoming twenty twenty sixth season, with Houston slated to open
(03:37):
it season on January eighth, playing host to Love Salt Lake.
Among Houston Stars is two time Olympic medallist and twenty
twenty five Love Pro opposite Hitter of the Year Jordan Thompson,
who you might recall will be returning to Texas fresh
off winning this year's AU.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Pro Volleyball title.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
More volleyball, this time at the college rates twenty four
games into the season and the Nebraska Huskers remain undefeated,
most recently posting a three set sweep of Illinois to
extend its run of consecutive sets one to forty three.
They haven't dropped to set since early September. To the
ice where the PWHL has announced an expanded Takeover Tour
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for the twenty twenty five to twenty sixth season, with
sixteen neutral site regular season games set to be played
outside the league's current cities. Last year's Takeover Tour drove
over one hundred and twenty three thousand fans in just
nine games, helping drive interest in fandom during the league's
second season. This year and its third season, teams will
play in seven new cities, including Calgary, Dallas, Halifax, Hamilton, Washington,
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d C, Winnipeg, and Chicago, and they'll also be returning
to Denver, Detroit, Edmonton, and Quebec City. Tickle to be
available starting with pre sales beginning this Thursday, followed by
general on sale on Friday, and you could bet your
ass I'm gonna be there when the PWHL hit Chicago
in December and March. Finally, to college hockey, the latest
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u USACHO rankings came out on Monday, and they tell
the same story as previous weeks. With Wisconsin secure in
the number one spot after receiving all twenty first place votes.
The Badgers haven't actually played since November first, though, as
they opted to take their WCCHA bye week at the
same time as the USA Canada Rivalry Series week good
timing with five members of the Wisconsin rosters suiting up
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for Team USA's two wins. Lots of other teams were
in action over the weekend, though, including a battle between
number seven Quidnipiak and number eleven Clarkson, which came down
to a shootout after neither team managed to find the
back of the net in regulation or the five minute
overtime period. Clarkson's Janelle Evans scored the lone goal in
the shootout, good enough to secure a zero zero tie.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Even though Evans scored and Clarkson technically got the edge
in the shootout, ECAC rules dictate that in women's hockey,
shootout results count the same as a tie, so this
one will go down as zero zero.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
This seemed bonkers to us, so we reached out to
resident women's college hockey expert and Fred of the show,
Nicole Hasey, who confirmed that the EAC the AC system
is not normal. Every other major women's hockey conference awards
two points for an overtime or shootout win and one
point for an overtime or shootout loss, but in the ECAC,
both teams get one point five points if no one
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scores an overtime worth noting that on the men's side,
the ECAC does award points for a shootout win.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So we continue to have questions.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We got to take a quick break, just enough time
to preheat the oven, increase up the cookie sheet to
get ready for Maggie.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Hendrix, come on back joining us now.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
She's a contributor to Yahoo Sports, focusing on women's sports
and the Olympics, with pass stops at Bally Sports, the
Athletic USA Today, the Olympics website, and six seventy The
Score in Chicago. Her work as a writer, editor, and
radio host has been noted by Best American Sports Writing,
Associated Press, Sports Editors, and the Gracie Awards. She did
her undergrad at Maszoo and her master's at Loyal University.
She sews clothes, quilts, and and bakes cookies for her
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fellow journals. Mom to Sally, the Dog, Lover of Cycling,
and All Things Chicago. She's done over seven hundred and
fifty bar classes at Pure Bar, which means she's endured
at least seven hundred and fifty days of sore cheeks.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's Maggie Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Hi, Maggie, Hi Sarah, thank you for having me on.
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That is two many days of sore cheeks in my book,
But I commend you on your efforts. First things, First,
Master of Arts in religious education at Loyal I did
not know this.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tell me more, what was the plan.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes, the plan was become a like high school religion
teacher and then right, yeah, because I went to Catholic
High School in Chicago. When I found that was very
like that. My teachers really impacted me, and I was
kind of just looking for what I wanted to do
next in the world in my late twenties, and unfortunately,
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Catholic High School started to close at a precipitous rate
right around when I graduated, and it was also when
my sports journalism career was taking off. So I have
the education and I'm really glad I do. I think
it helps me navigate this world that we're in now,
in particularly now better. But it's not my career, funny enough.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating. Okay. Second most important the cookies.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
We know that your cookies are a thing of lore
in the sports world. Courtney Vanderslute made a point of
mentioning how much she would miss them when she left
Chicago for New York, and then clearly couldn't stay away
because she came back to the sky presumably for your cookies,
maybe also her wife and family, but obviously for the cookies.
There is a lot of Maggie Hendrick's cookie lore. What
is the most famous tail in your mind?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is it, Courtney?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Is it Sandy Brundello turning them down like something else
I'm not aware of.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, Kurtin Miller turned them down because I had made
a bunch of them during the twenty twenty one Chicago
Sky Run, and after that he said, no, those cookies
taste like defeat to me. I cannot have them, all right.
I appreciate that. And my second favorite moment from that
particular run was Natisha Heideman reaching in, grabbing a cookie,
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taking a bite, and then going back and grabbing a
few more. I was like, all rights of approval. Well,
I'll always be proud of that you are.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Dubbed like a semi professional baker. It is no joke,
these cookies, and it is the joy of everybody that
works games with you to discover that you will be
there and the cookies will be there. So you're obviously
a very multi talented, versatile human. I love seeing the
photos of the bags and clothes you make and all
the stuff you're working on on the art side when
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you're not at sports. But how did you end up
being a sports reporter then? If you were busy being
crafty and religious.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, I'll be honest, the crafty and baking came later
on after the sports thing. I just had always loved
sports and have always followed sports growing up here, growing
up a Bears fan and a Bolls fan, just like
for you. The nineties Bulls were incredibly influential for my life,
and I interned with the Bulls in two thousand and one.
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I was a season ticket sales in turn, and I
was not good at that at all. I can't I
can't sell anything, but you know, it's just not my
skill set. But after that, I was having a hard
time finding a job in sports, so I just went
into like fundraising stuff like that. And then I started
a blog as like just a side thing because I
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just felt like I wanted to write. And this was
like two thousand and seven ish, when like dead Spin
and all like kind of the golden era of sports blogs,
when we were just starting to be a thing, and
there were so many of them out there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They were very broie, but if you were willing to
pick through the like Hattie of the week and all
the misogynist bullshit, it was a fun time to be
a sportsman, to be young and have there be so
much sarcastic, cutting edge sort of like funny content out there.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Absolutely, and so many places like turned into communities. Dead
Spin in particular turned into such a community. And actually
that's how I first met my husband, was like online
talking about sports with him in the in these in
these you know, spots, all online. And so I started
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my own and then in two early in two thousand
and eight, Yahoo Sports put out a call that they
were looking for people to do Olympics blogging. And I
love the Olympics. I think I always will. And I
had to actually do a tryout blog that I ran
for a month before they would hire me.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh I know, I look back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
At that and I'm like, I can't believe I agreed
to do all that, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, I at one point was writing a blog
that got paid by hits. If that tells you how
early on you're pretty much like, I know, I'm not
going to make any money off of this exactly, but
this is the only way to get my foot in
the door, so you'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I knew that the chance of working
at Yahoo would be really a big deal because they
were just starting out the Yahoo Sports blogs. It was
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It was huge at the time.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, absolutely, And so then I got I did get hired.
I also we were looking for a name for the
blog and I had for mine. I had the name
fourth Place Metal, So I was like, oh, you guys
can just take my name. Later, somebody asked me how
much I got paid for it, and I was like,
should I have gotten? Yeah? I know that was that
was a bad move on my part. Then I started
(12:30):
with Yahoo for five years and started covering the UFC
and mixed martial arts with that, and then did some
NFL and then it's just kind of taken off from there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, wait, brief detour because I can't believe I was
going to forget to ask you about this, But for
those who don't know, part of the less joyful Maggie
Hendrick's Lord that often comes up is your foray into
UFC MMA and interactions with the I was gonna say
less savory characters, but are there any savory characters.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
In that world?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's kind of tough to find them at times. Yeah, whatever,
going to share. Yeah, can you tell us about this
like pivotal moment, because for me it was it stood
up there with so many other examples that I have
personally and so many other women who came up around
the same time and were trying to set an example
that you could have women in this space and that
they should be treated with respect. The stuff we had
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to go through to sort of help create a space
for the ones coming after us, because I mean, you
really took it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean the abuse that I took online from
fans in the MMA world. And it wasn't just fans,
it was other writers, and of course, most notably it
was Joe Rogan. He didn't like something I had written
about Rampage Jackson and he went on this very popular
chat board or whatever fan board of MMA that like
(13:50):
thousands and thousands of people were on. It wasn't like
some small thing. It was like the place you went
to to discuss MMA. And he called me the C word.
And the funny thing is is a year before that, yeah,
who had to send a season desist letter to somebody
else who had printed T shirts saying Maggie Hendricks is
a seaword And it didn't say seaword, it said the
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whole thing. Yeah, so it was It was a lot
because the thing about Joe Rogan was it was annoying
that he said it, Like I was upset about it
that somebody that I looked to as a voice in
the sport said that about me. But then his like
followers and this was before the podcast, but still his
followers just inundated every social media thing I had. One
(14:35):
of them sent my mom a message like all kinds
of stuff like that, and it was so I remember
it happened around the same time that I graduated from
grad school, and like the two things happening at the
same time, it was the most bizarre balance of joyous
and angry at the same time. But you know, it
(14:59):
was what it was also one of those things, like
I wanted to quit, and I had a good friend
tell me, if you quit, you let them win. I'm
I'm not letting you quit. And I said, okay, all right,
I'm gonna I'll keep going. And then I stayed and
stuck around and covered Amma for another two years. But
it was it wasn't easy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So it's while you were finishing up your religious studies.
And I'm not religious at all, but I'm pretty sure
there's like a God gives his toughest battles to his.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Strongest soldiers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
If there is a guy there, he they she were
trying to send you a message to power through that
you're strong enough to deal with it. Yeah, I mean,
I just it's sort of mind blowing to me, even
that it's in my same lifespan and not that long ago,
that we were dealing with that pretty much regularly all
the time, just for sports opinions, not even things that
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should be inciting that kind of anger. But also Joe Rogan,
so is anyone really surprised seeing what he's done with
his life?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
When did you.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Become interested in focusing on women's sports and start to
pivot to doing a lot of coverage of both women's
Olympic and also basketball and other sports.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's funny. In twenty thirteen, one of the last like
big MMA events I went to was the first women's
fight that it was Rody Rashi and Liz Kamrouche, and
I was I was not sent to a lot of fights,
like I didn't travel that much when I was my
first time with Yaku. But when that fight happened, I said,
I'm going like, this isn't to a question I've been.
(16:26):
I've gone through too much to not see the first
women's fight and it was the most incredible environment. And
I wrote something the Sunday after that and said, I
just am so excited that I get to continue, and
I hope I get to cover a lot more women's
sports after this. And I must have spoke it the
(16:46):
right way into the universe, because I moved over to
USA today not long after that, and I did started
to cover more Olympics, more Olympics, and then the big
thing was in twenty nineteen, I was freelancing. I think
I was at a White Sox game covering a White
Sax game, and John Greenberg of the Athletics said to me, hey,
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we're kind of looking for a skywriter. Would you want
to do that? Because the athletic was really starting to
invest more money into covering women's basketball, and I said, yeah,
that sounds like fun. And then since I mean, I
watched women's basketball and I've written some things about it
when I was with USA today, but it hadn't been
like a full time focus, and I've loved everything of
(17:30):
becoming part of this world.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Let's talk about women's college troops, because you're writing a
lot about that right now for Yahoo's Sports. We're a
week or so into the season. What has stood out
to you so far in just these early games.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I think the thing I love the most is how
so many teams are not waiting till their conference, or
not even waiting till the second month of the season.
Like you can look at UCLA. They are playing Oklahoma
and North Carolina within four days of each other in
the second week of the season. I love that about
women's basketball that they most teams are gonna make sure
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if they're ranked, they have at least one ranked opponent
it in that first month. It used to be my thing, like, oh,
you only wait to you're in the year. They award
the championship when it comes to basketball, both college and pro.
But now it's like, no, you can't wait, you need
to start watching it immediately.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And so many of the early storylines are seeing new
players that have arrived in different places that we want
to see what it looks like freshmen that we get
excited about. Like the women's game has a longer tail
and a longer storyline because players stick around for longer.
Like in the men's game, you can kind of be like, hey,
I'm gonna wait till March madness because that's what matters
(18:42):
the most, and then these player are gonna be off
and I'm gonna be looking at new people next year.
But in the women's game, there's this like building and
growth that happens. And one of the things I've been
looking at is these teams with a lot of movement,
like South Carolina and LSU and who will step up
and be thus star And what I've seen so far
and again very limited, very small sample size, but the
balance tacks these teams having six or seven players in
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double digits in these early games, and I'm wondering if
that can be a through line for the whole season
for them where you don't need the one star that
maybe you've looked to in the past. You instead just
have this barrage of talent that at any night can
can take you out.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, it's such a big change from when we're watching
the WNBA to now watching these college teams because the
WNBA is such a star kind of league where you're saying, like, Okay,
is Brian start going to have a big night? Is
Asia Wilson going to have a big night? And if
they don't, then their teams have to figure something out.
But yeah, you see so many players in like South
(19:40):
Carolina is a great example of that, after so many
players left because of graduation, Malaysia foot widely transferring Chloe
Kitts being injured unfortunately for the season, other players have
to step up and we're already starting to see that,
and we're going to see Tania Lats and so you're
basically it's more that you kind of have to have
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this balanced attack. You can't put it on one player.
And the other side of that too is also you
know a lot of these players are very mature and
able to handle whatever the basketball world throws at them,
but they're still eighteen to twenty three year olds, and
you can't you can't ever forget that when you're talking
about college basketball, and they don't know how to handle
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the things that life throws them, as they will when
they get a few more years experience in them. So
you see that on the court. Sometimes you see a
player all of a sudden forgetting out to play basketball
for no good reason. Yeah, and like, whenever that happens,
I'm always like, eighteen to twenty three, don't their frontal
cortext isn't fully formed yet they're getting It's.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Amazing it doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
The professionalization of the college game is really so impressive,
and the amount that these athletes are now balancing with
NIL and podcasts and all the other things. I mean,
LSU alone. Flage Johnson has like five careers already. She
is like more accomplished than will ever be and.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
She's still in college. Anyword on Siana BET's debut.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think we're all really excited to see UCLA with
two Bets in the game. Are you hearing anything about
what we might get to see her come out and play?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I haven't heard anything on exactly what and when we'll
see her. I think what's exciting about Sienna and her
joining her sister is how often we're seeing discussion about
how they are different people and they're going to bring
different things to the team, but sisters still compliment each
other in ways that and they understand each other in
ways that nobody else can. So I still am just
(21:33):
really excited to see those connections on the court because
we know they exist, and we know we're going to
see that even though they are very different people, different
players all that, I'm still just so thrilled that we're
going to get to experience some of that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Weird connection where they unspoken which we might get to
see on the court, assuming that they stay in each
other's good graces, which does seem like it'll be an
interesting thing to balance all season long for head coach
Corey Close Feisty. Those two couple good contests that are
coming up this Saturday. First, we've got USC versus SC
South Carolina. Freshman stand out Jossey Davidson just helped the
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Trojans to a big win over number nine NC State.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
She had twenty one point shit the game winner.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Meantimes, South Carolina has kind of coasted through the games
early in their schedule, they've been gimmes.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
What are you looking for in this one? That the
battle of the scs.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well with Jesse Davidson. I'm really looking to see if
she can she can kind of come down after such
an exciting win and see and that was just her
second game in college. It's still she looked so calm
and mature. She made that game winning basket. It's a
normal cut to the basket. Sure, let me make this layup,
and it didn't look like a freshman out there. And
(22:45):
see if she can if she can keep that going,
and also seeing how London Jones can keep contributing because
she was a huge part of that win too.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, London Jones transferring over from the rival UCLA hops
across town to usc and has been big. And of
their first two games same day Saturday, we've got Michigan
versus Notre Dame. That's a rematch of their second round
game in last ye's NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
What should we watch for in this one?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I am fascinated to see what becomes of Notre Dame
this season.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I am just as fascinated because it kind of feels
like this is a make or break season for Nei
l Ivy that she needs to get something done and
get a team pass to Sweet sixteen. And I was
I was at that game last year when Notre Dame
in Michigan played, and it was such a fun environments,
such a good fun game, and I was thinking about, like,
(23:33):
how these two teams are going to match up. It's
going to be a very different game. It's very It's
not the same Notre Dame team. So we're going to
have to see Hannah Hidalgo really own the team and
own the game. You know, we talk about like the
balanced attack for other teams, that's not what Notre Dame
needs to be. It needs to needs it needs be
Hannah's game. And at the same time, on the other side,
(23:55):
we're going to get to see Silas Swords play as
a much more mature player, more experience. It's funny to
say more experience though, because she came into Michigan as
an Olympian who had just gotten back from Paris and
then went to ann Arbor, So you know, I mean,
it's funny to think of her, but I do think
we're going to get to see her take more ownership
(24:16):
of the team. She had some great seniors last year
who have graduated, like Jordan Hobbs, so now they've moved on.
So we're going to get to see some players, see
how Silah really owns the team, and we'll get see
even some great matchups between those two. I'm excited because
I also really enjoy how Kim Barnsarico has been running
(24:39):
that program at Michigan and how she's been kind of
doing that, building slowly but building a lot of loyalty
in making sure her team stayed together. So I'm excited
to see just not just this game, but also what
Michigan continues to do.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
In your preseason Bold Predictions column, you've got Duke going
to the Final four. They did drop opener to Baylor,
but plenty of season left. What do you like about
Carol Lawson squad?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I like that, First of all, you want to talk
balanced attack. I mean, she's having a hard time figuring
out exactly what her starting lineup is because she has
so many good players. Toby Fournier could be a starter,
she could not. You know, there's a lot of there's
a lot of movement between that, but I think that
depth is what I find so exciting. If God forbid
they have an injury, if they have some player who
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can't play for a couple of weeks, they have enough
players to keep pushing it forward. And you know, we
keep hearing, we've heard kro Lawson's her viral thing about
learn how to handle hard better. Now this team has
been together for a few years, they played under her
for a few years, and I feel like that's what
we're going to see from them, is that they're going
to be a team that can handle the adversity.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, transfer portal has fundamentally changed college sports and hoops
in particular. And while I am definitely all for player
empowerment and the ability for them to choose their career
and how it looks, I do agree with some folks
that I think the first transfer should be a freebe
and any transfer after that should require a year of
sitting out first, sort of limit the amount of bouncing
around between teams. I think it makes things tough for coaches,
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for other players, it makes things tough for the player
moving around. They never really establish an academic through line,
a sense of team, or a commitment to a program
and figuring out how to play through adversity, and I
especially hear that from a lot of older athletes who say,
you know, you've got to be able to fight through
some of that stuff instead of just picking somewhere new.
What do you think about how the transfer portal has
affected women's college hoops and how it changes the landscape,
(26:34):
especially at the beginning of seasons like this where we're
trying to figure out where everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Ended up and who they're playing with.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean, we always need those reminders of like, oh wait,
she's there, Oh okay of starting the season. And I
agree with you about the second The second transfer is
a bit too much because I mean also, like you
and I are somebody people who really enjoyed our college
experiences and have a lot of loyalty to our alma maters,
and like you never get that. You never get that feeling.
(27:01):
So that is I agree with you. But I think
the way it really can change things is a team
can change on a dime if they get the right transfer.
And it also means that coaches have to almost like
continue to recruit throughout the season, and that to me
has to be a difficult thing for a coach to
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have to do because sometimes you also have to be
hard on these players because that's part of coaching. So
I think that's one of the interesting things is we're
seeing different kind of relationships be created with these between
the players and coaches, and I think the coaches who
have handled it best are the ones who have proven
to be adaptable in this. We're seeing how you know,
(27:46):
Don Sale will do tiktoks with their players. We're seeing
Geno Oriama like, we're seeing like almost like a softer
side of Geno come out where he will be the grandpa.
And you know, it doesn't strike me as somebody who's
truly concerned about the transfer portal, but at the same time,
like perhaps that's part of what has pushed this sort
of softer sided Geno out. Well.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think we've had him on the show, and he
certainly talks about how generations of players are different and
what worked with previous generations does not work with the
current group, and so he's had to learn how to
be a softer jentler Gino. But he has not had
a problem with the transfer portal very much almost ever.
I mean, Elena deladon Is I think the biggest example
of someone who originally was going to go there and
(28:27):
change her mind but I mean, even Don Staley, who
has a tremendous relationship with so many of her players,
lost big names in recent years, and so nobody's really
immune to the itch to go somewhere else. And the
question is is it sometimes the best choice for a player?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is it sometimes potentially a rash decision made out of
anger or frustration. And there's a lot to be learned
and gained by sticking in a situation that isn't perfect.
The other thing I've been looking at in terms of
the changing landscape is if the new WNBACBA gets passed
and the rules change around player eligibility, you have to
wonder if women's hoops might begin to suffer from the
same one and done problem that happens in the men's game.
(29:05):
A lot of people don't get attached to men's college
basketball the same way up until the tournament and then
just for their brackets, because the players aren't in the
game long enough for fans to really get to know
them and want to watch them.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
A lot of want and done.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's been a big part of driving up numbers in
the women's game in recent years is being able to
follow storylines and teams year to year and get really
excited when a season starts up to pick up where
you left off. Are you worried at all about how
the potential change to eligibility might impact the success and
that line that we've seen go straight up in recent
years maybe not continuing to go straight up in terms
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of viewership, attendants, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah. I mean, I think one of the things that
had been happening with the WNBA and women's college basketball
was a rising tide lifts all boats everything. A player
stays four years and then she goes to the w
so we will get to follow her continually. I think
it is going to change things, and it might come
to a point where instead of everybody working together to
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raise all of women's basketball, there is going to be
some you know, just the two fighting each other, which
will be a shame because while I do think it's
the most fair thing to allow players to go when
they think they're ready, I also think that there's not
a ton of players who have been ready before their
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junior year. There's maybe Brienna Stewart, Page Beckers, maybe Caitlin Clark,
but she.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Was I think Jewe Lloyd made the right move.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think Jewe Lloyd. Yes, but there's not a ton
of players who recently. Maybe a Leah Boston would have been,
but like, physically, not a ton of players were ready.
They had not hit the weight room nearly enough. And
we see that with a lot. We always joke about
the welcome to the league moments with the rookies, but
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they're a real thing because and the reason we don't
see as many of them as their sophomore their second campaigns,
it's because they have hit the weight room and they
are a little bit ready, more ready for those hits.
But I think physically it's something that needs to really
be If the CBA is going to allow that, they
need to put a lot of safeguards in and kind
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of like the same thing that the NBA and the
NCAA finally put in place to where if you get
an you don't get an agent. You see how things go.
That to me would make a lot of sense if
they do that from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's almost so hard though with the timeline it's such
a quick turnaround it is to decide if you're going
to commit and then if you don't get drafted or
how that works. And I think also beyond just being
physically ready. Even though there are more teams and more spots,
even though the pay is better and will be hopefully
with the new CBA even better, it is still a
real risk to leave college without a degree and try
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to enter a league that is so limited in terms
of players that stick, and then have the rest of
your life.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You know, you can go back to school.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But I think it was really to protect players for
a really long time, and I don't know that the
dynamics have shifted so much now that that protection isn't
still necessary.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But I do think to your.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Point, we shouldn't limit women athletes in a way that
we don't for any other job based on just age.
We should allow them to make their own decisions and
hope that they have the right advisors around them. Before
we let you go, I have to talk about Olympic
sports quickly, because you've been on our show before actually
delivering a voice note about a figure skating story. We
know that you're big in the Olympic sports. About three
(32:26):
months out from Milan Courtina Games, what are you most
excited for?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I am really excited about figure skating as usual. I'm
excited because we actually have American women to be excited
about Alyssa Lou, Amber, glenn Is Boa, Leavito. They are
some really exciting skaters who can compete for gold. And
like I said earlier this year, a Lisa Lou, her
comeback from retirement to world champion was, you know, just
(32:55):
still something I can't even believe happened. And then on
the men's side, Ilia mallin In for the US is
just doing things with his body that I'm not sure
anybody ever figured any human could do. He's doing six
quad jumps in one for four minutes and forty seconds,
and he's delivering six quad jumps and he's able to Also,
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he has really improved down the artistry and the other
parts of skating too, so he's not He was a
one note skater for a while and he's not anymore.
So figure skate is exciting. And I gotta say the
person I'm cheering for the most in these Olympics, which
is completely unethical of me, and I'll take it, is
Alana Meers Taylor, the bob sletterm. Sure you know Alana,
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she's a bob sledter, she's a mom to two special
needs kids, she is a wonderful human who will just
absolutely give you the shirt off her back. She's going
for her fourth Olympics. She doesn't have any gold medals,
and man, there's anybody I want to walk out with
a gold medal, it is Alana Myers Taylor because just
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because she's if they gave gold medals for being great people,
she would have like eighty.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Of them and for long term greatness.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She's just been in the game for a long time,
dominating in so many different ways, but looking for that gold.
Incredible human great I love that that shout out, all Right,
any other athletes or storylines we should be getting to now,
we're keeping tabs on now with a couple months to go,
I think keep.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
An eye on speed skating and Aaron Jackson. She was
I believe, the first black woman to win a speed
skating medal for the US, and she has much bigger
expectations on her and everything this season. And also, of course,
we have to keep an eye out for the best
love story in the Winter Olympics, which is the speed
skater Britney bow and Olympic hopefully Olympic hockey player Hillary Knight.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We love the pucks, engay shit and we love that
doing particular.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
In fact, you might be hearing from them on this
very show thanks to producer Alex coming up in the
next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, tmsa versus Team Canada Women's Talkie is some of
my favorite games I've ever watched it any sport. They're
just always so so good. Okay, last question, good, good
or goodest. It's like bench dart cut, but you don't
have to cut anything. Something is good, something is gooder,
and something is goodest. So starting with good, you have
to rank these snicker doodle cookies okay, chocolate chip cookies,
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short bread.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Cookies okay, good it'll be short bread okay. And by
the way, I'm going with all of my baked cookies
on this, yeside basing this on your own personal Yeah,
gooder is my chocolate chip. My chocolate chip are good,
but my snicker doodles are Goodestoo.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like short bread. It's fine. It
just never really knocks my socks off.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's a fine cookie if that's the only cookie I'm offered,
But I will always take snicker doodle, chocolate chip, oatmeal, raisin,
peanut butter, pretty much all the other kinds of molasses. Oh,
I can really get behind the molasses.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I make a good like gingery molasses cookie, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Glasses, ginger snap, any of that. Yeah, that's a winner,
and you're a winner, Maggie. Thanks so much for coming on.
You love having you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
This is a blast.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thanks again to Maggie for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
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news site, sure a video might start playing in the corner,
but it's silent and you get to decide whether you
need or want to hear the talking heads. But the
NC DOUBLEA website nope, full volume all the time. The
worst is when the page loads so slowly that you
click over to another tab while you're waiting, only to
be treated to a loud, disembodied voice letting you know
(37:44):
about the personal finance services you're missing out on, or
the toilet paper wipes your butt is demanding. And just remember, folks,
there's no such thing as flushable wipes, even if it
says so on the package hashtag no wipes in the pipes.
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Now it's your turn, y'all, Rate and review. Thanks for listening,
See you tomorrow.
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Good Game, Maggie, Good Game, NWSL Iron Women You, Kim
Davis Forever and ever and ever and ever. Good Game
with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in
partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find
us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.
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Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are alex Azzie
Grace Lynch, Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones. Our executive producers
are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny.
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Kaplan and Emily Rutterer.
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Our editors are Emily Rudder, Britney Martinez and Gianna Palmer.
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