Is Every Woman A Witch? Feat. Jessyka Winston

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
She couldn't She cleaned and cared for her children and
the man of the house, and of course she didn't
talk back. She was both obedient and soft by nature.
She was a good woman who always made good choices.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're good mom's bad choices?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Who single mom?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Who said?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
But the patriarchy shared all their bad choices.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
And sound out they were so bad.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
After all, we're experts, overshares and your new besties.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
I can.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome back to good Mom's bad choices.

Speaker 6 (00:35):
I'm Erica, and I'm Meila.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Happy hump Day hosts.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Happy hump Day, Witches, bitches, witches and bitches and men.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, guys, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Fellas?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Do that we call them fellas? Sure?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's wait, what are the warlocks?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's warlocks?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
All off?

Speaker 6 (00:57):
The tongue doesn't like. We gotta get a better word,
lock word?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, it was which which anyway? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:09):
This week is we are concluding our week in uh,
the last week of October, and it's been a witchy month.
We went out for Halloween this weekend, and you know,
we went to a dinner for Erica's birthday. We celebrate
Erica's birthday, and then the place had like an exceptional
amount of decorations and cobwebs and like old spooky pictures,

(01:33):
and I realized, there needs to be more haunted dinners.
And they're playing haunted playlists, which probably wasn't necessary, but
it was still really fit the vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We were all in costume, and then we went to
go see.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Duckworth and they were like a rock band, and I realized,
I think we need to go to a rock concert
every Halloween. It just like makes sense. Haunted spooky dinner,
rock concert costumes.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
How'd you feel?

Speaker 6 (01:57):
It feels like it conjures up something that's in that
is already like manifesting during this time right Like it's
like this the energy. We're like peeking past the veil
and questioning all of our belief systems and blowing up
our life if you're me, and if not, then at
least you're considering dressing up like.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
A dead person.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
So either way, it's spooky season. I had a really
good time on my birthday. Thank you guys, Thank you Mike,
to my tribe, Thank you Mila for putting up with
my birthday. Shenanigans and my last minuteness of wanting to
be alone but also wanting to be with my friends,
but also wanted to be alone.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I want to be my friends and wanted to be alone.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Not confusing at all, Not confusing at all as a friend,
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, I don't know, and I.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Don't know if she wants to be loved this week,
if she wants us to like not love her, I
don't know. Like from somewhere in between, I'm like texting
our friends, like I think we're gonna have to force
her to go out.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Never mind, I don't think she's gonna go for it.
I don't know she's I don't know. I'm confused, she told.
I don't know whether to believe her or to kidnap her.
I don't know. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 7 (03:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think I need to be treated like a little baby.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
I needed to be treated like how my mom used
to plan my parties for me.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
That's what I realized. I was like, when did this
start sucking? Was what I had to be responsible for
my birthday. That's when it started to suck.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
But you know, I'm like, just get in the car,
we're gonna call a car at six. She's like, I
don't think so, I don't really feel like it. I'm like, okay,
well I'm gonna have to come up there and put
you in the car myself, or if I call the car.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
You're not gonna get it easier when you live closer. Yeah,
you would just come over and would get the.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Fuck dress bitch. Now, I'm like, I don't know what
she's doing over there. I don't know. I don't know
if she's gonna hate me if I kidnap her.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
I don't know if I should listen to her or
override her her statements.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Ultimately, I'm gonna figure it out.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
Ultimately, I realized that I need to be alone for
part of my birthday and then I need to go socialized.
There's definitely a season I need to be the fuck
alone for sure. And it's good. Actually, I think we
really had a great time. Went to the beach. I
had the most amazing experience at the beach by myself.
It was fucking beautiful, it was epic. It was just
filled with messages and I don't know, it was just perfect.

(04:02):
And then I then on music. There was like steps
that have to be taken. I realized, and I was
also I realized how much I don't know the power
of choosing an energy. I was choosing an energy to
be in. And then finally I got off the wheel and.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
Like it's like you just have to like jump off,
and so it's done.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I'm done here.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Because she did all of this literally after our last episode.
I was listening to Orlando edit and I was like,
six o'clock, your car's going to be there, gonna get in,
and then the episode ended. She's like, no, I don't, don't.
I don't want to be around to anyone. I was like, okay.
Then we get to dinner because she said three hours
before dinner, actually I want to go out, even though
we already knew that. Then we get to dinner, she's like,
where's my cake? And we're like, no one told them

(04:43):
it's my birthday. I'm like, actually, I put it in
the notes, Erica, but you just changed your mind five
minutes ago, and the waiter is a little bit slow.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I didn't change my mind five minutes ago. I changed
mind the day before.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
So you guys had plenty of time to figure out
how to get a fucking cake from the restaurant to
come out on time with the motherfucking candle.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Anyway, moving on, not psycho at all, just totally anyway.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
All I was saying was I love you guys, and
thank you, and I had a great time.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Thanks.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
We have a special guest you guys today, we have
a guest. This guest came highly recommended a few different times,
and so I'm really really grateful. I'm super excited to
invite to the show. Jessica Winston, founder.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Of the House of Hoodoo. How you have to listen
to all that bitching and silence?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
It was.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Just had something.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
It was great and it was a challenge just just
folding it in and laughing in silence.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
That was a how to to having a scorpio friend.
I don't have any answers for you. Just listen to this.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
You know, I don't have any experience with scorpio friends.
I do know, Okay, Well, I have heard as an aquarian,
I have heard. I resonated with that part where you
said I just need some part of my birth that
needs to be me alone and the other part needs
to be social. And I was like, yeah, absolutely, you

(06:21):
need time for you to reflect on your life so
far and then to go on a bender with your
friends about it. So yeah, I originated with that.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's what I think.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
My birthday just contraus just it just brings in this
energy of like I have to reflect, I have to
reflect Where am I?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Where am I?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Am I good?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Am I good? Do I like where I'm at? Is
it good? Is it good enough? Are you happy at?
Are you happy?

Speaker 6 (06:43):
Or do you feel like it's actually it's actually part
of the transformation. I feel like as a Scorpion that
I haven't obviously perfected at all, but I think I'm
getting closer to understanding my needs at least they need
to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But it's inevitable.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
I'm double Scorpio, and my whole chart is Scorpio pretty much,
so I'm pretty like there's a lot of like things
that I'm here to unpack in this life and this
world and investigate. And it's not always cute, and sometimes
like I have to be around people and I don't
know how to do that sometimes, Like I don't know
how to do that in front of people sometimes, But
you have to because you're living in the world and

(07:22):
you're a mom and you're a partner and you have businesses,
and you have friends that want to talk to you
and stuff and be around you, and you want to
be around them. But you're also in transformation. So healing
is not cute, it's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yeah, And the thing is that time for time for
reflection in solitude is very necessary. But it's the way
that it works is we are in we're in this reality,
this human experience to understand ourselves and learn about ourselves
and to experience life as in relation to others. So

(08:00):
we do have to go out in the world and
relate to others and allow others to be the mirror
in which we could see ourselves, because if there were
no physical mirrors, and how would you know that you
have a cute nose? How would you know if you're funny,
if someone doesn't laugh at your jokes? How would you
know anything about you if it weren't because someone else

(08:22):
mentioned and made a comment, made a comment about it,
or express a feeling towards it. So we go out
live the world, gather all that information, all that data,
like little computers that we are, and then we go
home and we go to our cave and we go
to a quiet place and reflect and let all of
that information integrate into our beingness, into our soul. But
it's a balance. We have to be out there to

(08:45):
go and live and experience and see and gather, and
then we go inside to let all of that information
Marrior need.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, to exist in this world as like with the
awareness of your spiritual being is like a whole other
school of life, you know, like there's a whole other
set of things to consider when you are open to
like the mystics and the esoterics, and like.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
You're like your birthday.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
You know, if you weren't a witch, you'd be like,
I am just having a bad day. Fuck my friends,
I don't want to go like you wouldn't even be
leaning into the port of what does this mean?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Where am I shedding?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Like the signs that come on your birthday, whether big
or small, whether anyone's gonna like I was just I
was talking to Orlando this weekend and I went to
the bank and this man I was just telling somebody,
like everybody, when I go places, it's inevitable that somebody
is going to I'm gonna not even make eye contact,
and someone's going to find me and make me their

(09:42):
friend and tell me their business. And I was like,
literally at the bank, my back was facing the door,
and this man walks and he's trying to get an appointment,
and I was like the teller, like the person who
was helping us open the count wasn't even really paying
attention to him. And I was like, she's like, go
ask the teller, and I was like, you should make
an appointment because that's my third time being here. So
then he looks straight into my eyes and he's like,
can I talk to you? And I was like okay, okay,

(10:05):
So I move over to him. I leave the desk,
I go over to him, and he literally is like.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
He's crying. I was like, oh my god, what just happened?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Like I he sais crying to me, telling me his
personal banking business. He's in between jobs, he's struggling, he
just found a job, he's on his last twenty dollars
does he doesn't have any gas, EBT gets cut off
on the first, all these things. So I'm holding him.
I'm like holding his hand, I put my hand on
his chest, I hug him. We're having conversations for like
twenty minutes. The bank teller is telling my man like,
oh no, I think he's crying. He's like, it's fine.

(10:37):
This happens all the time. She's like, I think she's
hugging him. He's like it's normal. And she's like telling me.
He's like, it's normal, this happens all the time. Then
I go back over. I hug him.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I like whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
The teller finally comes and helps him, because I obviously
don't work at the bank.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I go back over.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
The woman's like I can't believe that you hug that man.
I was like he needed a hug. Then she proceeds
to tell me about her drama and her trauma about.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Her pregnancy that she couldn't keep. And I was like okay,
and then whatever, I leave.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
I come back home. I did a tantric session with
two friends. Everything was fine. I was feeling fine. I
had a sip of wine. I had like maybe a
half a glass of wine. Granted I didn't eat a
lot that day.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I got so sick.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I was like throwing up all of a sudden, like
I felt sick with like within an hour.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I was like, this is so weird. Like I drink.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I know my body even when I don't eat, like
I got so ill that later in that day, I
was like, is.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
It because I touched that man?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Like?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Is it because I exchanged his energy?

Speaker 4 (11:38):
And he wasn't like not that he'd meant harm, but
like he wasn't able to hold his own energy.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And then I was like, oh, bitch, does it just
because you didn't eat?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
And then you drink some wine and now you're saying,
you know, like there's always like.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I got bugs in my house, it's because I let
that man in.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Like what it's always like you're living in two worlds,
and I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Two things can be true at once. It doesn't have
to be one or the other. I think that's the
beauty of being spirits having a human experience, is that
the human experience is relevant and so is the spiritual,
and they both happened at the same time.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I feel like the spiritual is usually more like dominant,
but we're so used to living in the physical that
a lot of us don't even recognize the spiritual implicate
implicate implications.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Of our actions.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
But I'm just like living in both worlds and like
and when I have conversations with people who are not
spiritually like, bitch, what are you talking about? But like,
you know, having the knowing that there's sometimes something much
deeper like at play, and accepting that and like it's
just an interesting world to live in.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I feel like that anyway.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
I'm so happy to have you on the show, Jessica, obviously,
because I want to pick your brain and ask you
all of the mystic, esoteric questions that I have that
I've been holding all year. Love, but I really know
about you, about you, I want to know how you got,
like your journey into this space, and like how you've
become the House of who doo?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Oh my god, where do I begin? Well? I created
House of Food Do about nine years ago, and I
created it as a platform to share the complexities of
me navigating my experience, as you know, my human experience

(13:28):
as a spirit and the experience that I chose, and
the family I was born under, and all of the
belief systems and the practices that came with it. So
House of Food and is literally me, but I created
it to connect with others who were on a similar experience,
on a similar boat, where life is not is not

(13:51):
black and white for you, where you don't have all
the answers. You know, family is hush hush, and you
have to kind of like make meals out of the
crimbs that were left behind for you to try to
understand yourself, your origins, your spirituality, your belief system, and
how you came to be. So that's how Househood it
was born. It was bre and more of a platform.

(14:13):
Platform meets sharing with others. I wanted to connect with
others in that space of how complex it is to
be a product of the diaspora, right, and then having
coming from cultures that are so you know, multi racial
and so diverse, and having the clash of church religion

(14:37):
and also pig and free flowing spirituality and uh and
where in there do you fit in? Where in there
do you belong? And from all of that, how do
you wage a path with yourself? You know, being a
product of the diaspora, our lives are far from black

(15:01):
and white, and many of us come from cultures where
especially when you come from you know, if you are
part of the immigration wave, you come into this new
land and your parents want to your family wants to
start a whole new world. So a lot of what
was norm they kind in a way they want to

(15:22):
erase it or disconnect from it and just start this
whole new life. So for me, House of Food it
was I needed it. It was an outlet. I created
it as an outlet for me to express, to share
my experience of finding myself, navigating life as a spiritual
being and understanding my own spirituality and my connections to

(15:45):
my family spirituality, and also how do I bridge how
do I build my own and bridge the two, and
then wanting to connect the people who were on similar paths,
and from there came then eventually that gave birth to
me sharing services like reading Tayrot. It gave birth to

(16:05):
me teaching folk magic classes. It gave birth to me
creating products like fixed candles, baths and all kinds of
other ritual tools which are now you know, the house
of who do online botanica. And that's then that's where
we are right now.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I think that more people need to like go into
the mystics, and I think a lot of people who
are of the diaspora don't recognize how much inherently we
have to sort out in this lifetime because of our history,
and like sometimes we just chop it up to like
things being like stressful or just having anxiety or our health.

(16:45):
But like there's so much, there's so much that we
inherit on a cellular level that we're just so unaware of,
you know, like just like rage, anger, Like there's a
lot of things at play. And I just like, I
appreciate you going into this work and being clear about
what it's for and who it's for.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah, I I remember along And till till this day,
I still find along the way, I still find folks
who and you would think, right that we live in
this age that we live in this year twenty twenty five,
that it would be it's safe and it's okay for
everybody to come out of their spiritual closet as whatever

(17:22):
they believe in. But it's not like we still there
are very there's a lot of people who are still
living under that rule of family where it's either you
believe what your family believes in, and you are what
your family is, and there is and and family still
don't want to share, you know, family secrets and family

(17:44):
stories and where we came from in our origins or
anything like that. And so I continue to find in
on this platform, even nine years later, that it's still
a safe space for people to come and find the
and find a place where they're like, oh, here, I
can't be heard, I can be seen, I can be supported.

(18:04):
Here the conversation, you know this this I can come
here and converse with someone, even in the chats, even
in sertain other chats, even in the comments about stuff
that I can't talk to my family and my friends about. Yeah, right,
And it's it's fascinating. I have one of the one

(18:25):
of the work amongst everything that I do. I do
this work that I call the Alignment Sessions. And in
my Alignment sessions, I've met many who come to the
sessions with that intention of I don't I don't have
anyone in my life that I can talk to about

(18:46):
these things that I can talk to about my spiritual
experiences and the dreams that I'm having and and the visions,
and I can't talk to them about any of these
sensations that I'm experiencing, and so come to the sessions
just to have someone to hear them, you know, just
to be their whole space and hear the mount And
I think that's that's wonderful, and it also takes me

(19:06):
aback that's still till this day, we still have that
going on. That there's no there's we aren't as free
to be ourselves as some maybe we sometimes like to
think we are.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, sorry, I was gonna say, I see that.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
That's that's so prevalent everywhere, and I think, I mean,
so much of it is rooted and like I would
say religion, and like you choosing a religion to stand by,
and if you don't, then you are now you know,
going against God, et cetera, et cetera. I have a
question because I asked you earlier before we started, you know,
how you like to be, which what's the language for

(19:48):
what you do or what you believe in?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
And you said a mystic.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
And I was having this conversation with someone recently about
just just all these spiritual belief systems turned religions and
how all rooted in mysticism. And I'm just curious, like
what to you, what does it mean to be a
mystic versus like I don't know a witch or a priestess,

(20:13):
Like are those all the same things? Or like how
how do you identify as a mystic and what does
that mean for you?

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well, when we talk about priest. Priesthood comes from there
being a hierarchy, So there has to be some type
of system, and there has to be some type of hierarchy,
there has to be some type of ladder, because a
priest is though it's it's the chief right and so
at this age, like right now, at this point in

(20:43):
my life, it's not that I'm not a priestess. It's
just that I'm not leading with that because I'm not trying.
I don't want to put myself above anyone. I don't
want to put myself in a position where I am,
you know, priestess in a temple directing people. This is
not to say that maybe in the future or out
put that have back on, but right now that's not
the hat. That the hat that I choose to wear.

(21:06):
A mystic is someone who is in constant communion with
the divine, constant communion with source and finding source and
finding divinity in every day life. And so that's why
I say I'm a mystic, because I see divinity and everything.
I see the signs, I see the symbols, I see
the messages, I see the communication. I see divine in everything.

(21:27):
I see a source in everything from the most insignificant
thing from like a lipstick, right, which is it is?
I know I see Source on a lipstick just as
much as I see Source in disguise. Like it's just
I'm a mystic because I'm a constant communion with Source,

(21:47):
with the divine and the creator of everything. And a
witch is a woman who has taken all of the
wisdom and knowledge of her experiences and those experiences of
those before her, and turned that into into gold whatever

(22:11):
that gold is to her, whether she wants to turn
it into a business, or she turns it into healing,
or she translates, you know, relates it to family, whatever
that goal, whatever that is to her. Right Like I
think like the witches, witches can, whiches can be into
whatever the hell they want.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Do you think witching is almost like feels more like
when you say it like that, and I could just
be reading into this, it's like it almost sounds like
it's more for the service of herself, Like, yes, she
has these powers for to help and support others, but
she's also in the also in for the and I.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Guess the enhancement of her herself and some capacity. I mean,
obviously we all are, but I don't.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
I don't know, Like when you say she takes what
she what she's learned from her ancestors, and she turns
it into gold, whether that's a business, whether that's healing
other people people.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
For herself. Absolutely, I think there's an egg. There's this
ugly and this is where the witch thing comes from,
which the us being called witches, which is which is
another form of being called a wise woman, which is
where women who were wise, who were educated, who were
independent freethinkers, who you know, I've recently learned that witches

(23:25):
were the first people. Like the women that they called
witches were the women who were brewing or who were
brewing and selling beer. So these were women who had
their own businesses, right, they mastered brewing and selling beers,
have their own businesses. And they called them witches because
they were independent and they were making money and a

(23:47):
lot of money selling beer. And so that is where
it comes from. If you are in it, if you
are if you are a woman who who who is
always connected to her divinity and the divinity and everything,
and at the same time you are wise, and you
are a leader, and you are nurturing, and you're independent,
and you are bossing. Then you are a witch.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You're using those and you're using these gifts.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
And it's it's so interesting how this that sounds like
a woman empowered, right, And so when a woman is
empowered with the tools that she's been given, is mastering
these tools, is using them to yield whatever it is
the outcomes that she wants, whether that is in love,
whether that's in you know, cutting connections, whether that's in

(24:32):
creating like those things.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Of course we know over.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
Time, and you know throughout history how those things have
been silenced, squashed, thrown away, demonized, villainized, and of course
those the witch an empowered woman.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Her google, Sorry, love, go ahead, you'll go. The witch's
power is her wisdom, her knowledge, and her application of that.
In any case, whatever her wisdom, her knowledge, and her application,
that is her power. And because they couldn't get because

(25:13):
you can't take someone's wisdom out of them, and you
can't take their knowledge out of them, those are those
are the things we die with. They had to burn
them because no matter why, if these women continue to exist,
their knowledge, their wisdom will continue to exist within them,
and at some point they'll find a way to apply it.
And that is a threat.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, I often tell people because I think early on
Erica and I realized that.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
People really don't fuck with the word which.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
And I'm the kind of person is like I kind
of like to delve in the things that people don't like,
you know, like I kind of liked you. Really it's
interesting to me the way words have weight and what
we've made them to be, and like, you know, for
so long we've seen like which is you know, characterized
mood be as hideous with ugly noses, and like all

(26:04):
these like these these are or evil. Are these things
that we've perceived as evil and generally the things that
society has like trying to like like perceive as evil
or definitely there's something there, you know, like look at
black people, you know, like there's a there's a level
of fear around certain things, even like the word whore,
like or hoe or sledg liked. I like to use

(26:25):
utilize those words, even like when girls are like, yeah,
that's my bitch, you know what I mean. I enjoy
playing in the realm of like delving into things that
make people uncomfortable. And I know that which makes people uncomfortable.
I know, it's like heavily because of religion and all
these other things. But it's like if you are villainizing
your ancestors, if you're villainizing things like sage or herbs

(26:48):
or crystals, the things that source created, they are things
that are naturally to the like our world. And like
that's interesting to me. And even like all women I
feel like are are witches. We have the power to create.
We create people, so obviously we were alchemists at its
highest high. We've turned home like houses into homes. We
turn like we just make everything something out of nothing

(27:11):
and every in every way possible. And it's like so
interesting to me when I see how scared people are.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Of the word which and like what does that mean
to you?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
And how how much have you been like like believed
what society has made this word mean that you're so
like you're so quick to throw it away or to
reject a woman who identifies that way. And like I
was at a townshop school meeting and we were like
we had finished graduating.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
We were like gallivanting outside at night.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
We were naked in the pool and we were just
like formed a circle because we were just talking in
a circle, and we were like skinny dipping, and then
we got excited and we were like just like going
in a circle in the pool, like all holding hands
and giggling, laughing so hard.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
And then I like had this epiphany.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
I was like, oh my god, which is we're just
happy women, which is for happy women who were like
self actualized and they were free in their bodies and
in their skin, and they were happy women. And historically, powerful,
self actualized happy women have been threats to the powers

(28:15):
that be. And it was like a very simple, it
was kind of a funny realization.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I was like, you guys, this is this is it.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
This is what they burned bitches at the stake.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
For joy and like the not needing of anyone, like
so the independence. And it's crazy how till this day
that word holds such a weight and still there is
an attack on free and happy, self actualized women. And
it's not the same way like being burned at the stakes,
but in ways it is. And so I feel like
sometimes like taking back that word, utilizing it, because I

(28:47):
do you know, I identify that way. I just like
I feel powerful in using that word still, even though
I know it scares people, and I know it scares
a lot of people in like our community, particularly because
of what a like what a just how powerful the
church has been. So I just I appreciate that definition
of which because I identify with that, and like for

(29:09):
anyone listening women who are turned off by that word
or you know, like I wouldn't say that publicly or
I wouldn't you know what I mean, because of Jesus
or the Bible or whatever that that religious heart looks like.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I really encourage you.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
To dig deeper into your own alchemy and the things
that you've created, even if it's not like just a
human but like businesses, like you said, created money, opportunities,
you know. I just think our prayers are strong, our
words are strong, because if you can create a child,
you can create anything.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Absolutely all of that.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, I agree, I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
We would to say something.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Me uh huh, No, I was listening to you.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
A good word.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I know that it's the veil, you know, they say
the veil is thin in in October and November, first
for DA Day, lists, morthos, are you going to celebrate
or do you do anything for that day?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
What are some of your rituals around this time of year?

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Oh my goodness. How this year, well, this year I
was invited to an event, very a very intimate event
with with some close knit folks, close knit friends, to
celebrate the others mortals very proper. Uh you know the

(30:43):
way that I celebrate now in thes is it's very intimate,
very private, very much think of it as like one
big MH. Remembrance and birthday. And I don't see and
the way that I mean most folks as see their

(31:05):
ancestors as like something so separate from them or these
people that were these other But for me, I see them,
and I see pictures and I see their names, and
I just see different manifestations of me throughout different lifetimes,
throughout different generations, and so in me venerating them and

(31:26):
I'm in honoring them, I am venerating and honoring me
in different forms, in different generations, in different life times,
on their different guises, And so it feels a lot
more and a lot closer to me and more fulfilling
to approach it that way.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah, now that's beautiful, I think. I never I've never
viewed it at that as that way. I've always felt
like it had to be, not had to be. But
like it's it's this moment that's actually it has nothing
to do with me, And it's more so just to
like honor them because so often our ancestors go starved.
I mean I think about sometimes, I really think about that,

(32:07):
and like think about how many ancestors are just starving
on the other side because people have just cut off
that the opportunity for connection, or have villainized the opportunity
for connection, or doesn't even don't even know that it exists.
But I really love that the always being connected to
them as well, and like bringing them.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Into you and being you.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think that's a beautiful way to really truly honor
them and honor yourself so that it continues to continues
to keep going, and it is like a constant reminder
for yourself to do this every year because I think
about to the traditions that like for me, like I'm Mexican,
and like when my family came here, the only thing
that we really brought was our food, the food and

(32:47):
the language. They didn't bring any sort of the culture
or like spiritual systems or beliefs. And now with my daughter,
like wanting to be heard, to have choice and understanding,
and and and be able to do that. Is that
something that you bring into your motherhood. I know that

(33:08):
you're a mama, and I'm curious, like how how that
shows up for you and your mother ing.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
I in my mothering, I bring in a lot of
independence and sovereignty for my For my son, I very
much I the way that I see it because I'm
raising him on my own with you know, family help
here and there. But I I will always be me.

(33:38):
I was Jessica before him, I'm Jessica with him, and
when he leaves my house, I'll continue to be Jessica.
And so I know I'm very I'm very very conscious
of that I am his greatest like I'm his main example.
So I give him. I I position myself to be

(33:59):
his protect I'm here to protect you from from threat
and danger. But I'm not here to protect you from yourself,
and I want you to navigate and figure out life
on your own while I'm here just to protect you
from threat and danger. And so he is always watching,
constantly watching everything that I that I do, and mimicking

(34:21):
everything that I do, like whether you know, in everyday life,
even with my own spirituality and the way that he
sees me honor my spiritual spaces and how I you know,
my morning rituals, and how I sweep and like my incense,
and all of these things are becoming embedded in his
own in his system. But I don't want him to

(34:41):
grow up being this this, you know, with this rigid
belief of you have to do it how I do it.
Let me be the foundation. But I also want you
to find your own connectedness to your own soul, connect
to your own soul and to your own spirit and
your own way. I can be your foundation. What I do,
my practices can be your foundation that you can, you know,
lean on and support yourself on. But I want you
to spring from that and be you.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Mm So is he part of is he part of
I know you said this deos is very intimate. Is
he part of those moments or is there like a
sense of like separation ever that occurs in the work
that you do when you have your child.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
He is part of the me putting together the scene,
but as far as the ritual aspect of it, he
is not, because that requires other things that are a
little bit too mature for his energy. And I don't
want any kind of, you know, interference with him, But

(35:43):
he is part of the putting together process of helping me.
But he helping me go to the grocery store and
pulling everything out and putting things on the table. Very
helpful little creature. He has such helpful little man. You
just start opening the bags and asking he will point
out where do you want me to like where does
this go? And I'm gonna put it here, baby. So
he's just part. He just wants to be part of everything,

(36:04):
have them bring me the incense and brings me this
and bring me that. But he's very much part of
the coming together, putting together the process. But there are
parts of the of the veneration that are are a
little bit more adult and he's not a part of that.
Got it.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, I know before we when we were talking on
the call, we talked a lot about I really like
that you said to consider when you're like do it
making your alter that in ways you're honoring yourself manifestations
of different versions of you in different timelines, and like

(36:46):
I feel that, Like I think people sometimes put like
the ancestors or put their altar outside of them.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I think.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Sometimes because I've I've questioned, had questions in the past
about like I had someone who has like been spiritual,
you know, mentor per se and this person like completely
was like I'm taking a break from this for right now.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
And I was like really.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Because you were like very high in my spiritual regard
of like you're you're knowing this. And he was just
telling me, like, be careful lighting candles, because not just
your ancestors can come in, anybody can come anybody from
the other side can come in. Be careful just inviting,
you know, like leaving offerings. And so then I was
like I kind of stopped because I was like, Okay,

(37:30):
well then who the fuck is going to come in?
And also just even like people in our in our
lineage who have not always done great things, you know,
like I have a grandfather who like cheated and had
a whole nother family with the babysitter up the street,
and it caused havoc in my family, and like just wondering,
like how do you honor those people while also not
like holding a grudge. But I realized that like when

(37:53):
you said that as manifestations of those people, the versions
of that they were in whatever time they walked the earth,
It's like you have to also understand and believe that
because they struggled in certain places, we have the privilege
of like not undoing their wrongs, but like learning from
those wrongs, seeing how they fucked up and how it

(38:13):
affected the families, and making change in your family structure
because of it. And I always say that, like, we
are manifestations of, like of the parts of our parents
that they couldn't be, you know, So that kind of
like changed my perspective too, Like do you have any
input about like being careful about keeping the offerings and
the lights on, or like, do you have any protection

(38:36):
practices that you put put in place because of things
like that?

Speaker 5 (38:40):
The greatest protection that you can put it in practice
as your own vibration. You can only attract into your
experience and into your space, whatever vibrational states that you
are in. And so if you are attracting on unsavory
ancestors because you are vibrating at the same frequency that
that unsavory ancestor was vibrating, that if we take into

(39:05):
you know, if we take into consideration the idea that
past present future do not exist. Everything is the present,
and so your ancestors, maybe they're you know, matter cannot
be destroyed. It can only be transformed. And it's because
energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Energy

(39:26):
creates matter, right, And so if everything is happening right
now in the present, really nobody dies, and your ancestors
really aren't dead. Their physical form is, but vibrationally they
are still. They're still living and floating and being in existing,
and so you are. They are all different vibrational manifestations
of you, even though you might be the one who's

(39:47):
consciously of this body that you're in right now. And
so your greatest protection is the vibration that you're in.
You can only attract what you're vibrating.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So then is it none?

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Is it not ideal then to work with your ancestors
or just in ritual if your vibration is like if
you're moving through something, I mean obviously, like you know
some of the some people run to their altars when
they're in like their poorest vibration right in hopes of
like an answer or guidance. How do you protect yourself

(40:22):
if you're feeling unprotected, you know what I mean, Like
if you are in a vibration where you feel actually
totally out of control and you're seeking something for an
answer if.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
That type of work.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
When you are again, it's a it's a it's a
I'm wondering myself. I'm asking myself. I'm like, well, how
how wild is our toolbox of ancest I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
You never know, you don't, We don't all know wild.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
This our toolbox of ancestors.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
For us right up through Yeah, bitch.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Right, because we aren't. We are too. You know, we
all belong to this large family of souls and spirits,
and that is where our ancestors are right when they're
not in form, that's where they are. They are part

(41:30):
of They are in that dimension where they remain sol,
they remain spirit, and so they are constantly with you,
rotating around as a presence and in whatever vibrational, whatever
state you're in. I mean, in order for you to
let's get wild, in order for you to attract a
or pull in a murderous ancestor, you must be. You

(41:52):
must be in a murderous vibration. You might be come
and it's gonna support you in your murders streak like a
let's go Jack to rifer on this. But but you know,
we we can work with tools because two Your greatest

(42:17):
protection is your vibration, because that is your vibration. Your
energy is what gives permission to anything in your life.
There is nothing in your reality that nothing can be
in your reality without your permission. And your permission is
give you give it permission through your frequency, through your vibration.
I think we assume that the permission is given consciously,

(42:40):
where we say I herefore give you permission. No, you
have to change your energy. Your energy has to cannot
if you don't want these filthy things to get in here,
then your energy has to vibrate different than.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
But that totally like destroys everyone's belief system that like
everything is happening to them.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
That's not true nothing, I mean, like even but hearing that,
I mean a lot of people like I just hear
you know you hear people, including myself, And I mean
I'm not perfect in this either, where like you're choosing
a vibration to be in right.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
I was just talking to jimil about this about like
on the phone earlier, and it's like, you know, you
choose these vibrations, but like but they don't feel like
you know, you don't feel like you're choosing them. You
feel like they're they're choosing you, Like I didn't ask
for this to happen. I didn't tell this spirit to
come through. I didn't want that person to leave me,
Like why is all this happening to me all at

(43:34):
one time? Like I'm moving in positivity, I'm trying to
see the bright in everything. But it's like, you know,
generally that's not the truth. Generally that is not the truth,
and you might feel that way. You generally might feel
that way. There's usually something off, there's something off that
requires deeper, you know, investigation, and sometimes you can't even investigate.

(43:56):
You have to literally someone else has to show you
and tell you or God will also think like when
you said you're choosing the vibration, I also think like
because we're godly beings, that God is always present, like
there's there's only so far, Like if you really believe
in that, because again it's about.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
The belief systems.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
If you really believe in God, whatever that means to you,
then you know that this presence is always with you
and even when you're calling, even in your darkest energy,
when you're working with this type of you know, magic,
like you know that there's a level of protection that like,
your spirit is calling in and if it gets there,
it's been something that you're supposed to face, right and

(44:33):
that you're able to move through and not succumb to.
So that's what I kept thinking, like, yeah, there's all that.
There's also like it's our own vibration, but it's also
like this, this the essence of God that I feel
like is in all of us, in all humans, like the.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Fact that we're even here, we assume that. Well, the
thing is that our reality is driven ninety ninety five
percent of by reality is driven by our subconscious, and
so our vibration, the vibration we're in, comes from our subconscious,

(45:10):
it doesn't it very rarely does it come from the conscious.
The conscious mind has a very hard time overriding the subconscious.
So if you want to change your vibration, you have
to change the subconscious. You have to change the belief
system that is back here, that's been embedded back here
throughout how many years you've been alive. Because saying it
and affirming it with your mouth and you're that's just

(45:33):
that's just hot air doesn't mean anything. You're saying that,
and then and then you just it's it's like a
it's like a quick spike and suck and then you
go back to autopilot and.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Then you're able to say no effects, right, and.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
You go back to your natural state. So if you
want to really change the vibration and you really want
to change the state, like really change it, you got
to get back here. You got to get into the programming.
You got to get back there. That's the work.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
It takes work.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
It's not affirmation, and it's not it's not wishful thinking,
and it's not just it's it's it's really overriding an
old belief system with a new belief system. That's how
it works. Tools, right, Like this is where tools come
in because in these type of conversations you could challenge
and say, well, if everything is us and everything is
our vibration, then how do tools come in and how

(46:29):
do tools help us? It's like, because the tools help
us anchor the conscious decision that we want. Right, your tools,
you have this candle for protection, right, because you want protection,
you want to feel protected. This this candle is going
to continuously remind you of the protection. And so now

(46:53):
you are creating a program because now you're looking at it,
you are praying to it, you are writing it. You're right,
you're overwriting something back. Then that's how it works. It has.
The subconscious is is reprogrammed through repetition. And because we
live in a physical reality, just wish for thinking or

(47:14):
imagining it or or or you know, speaking it doesn't work.
You have to give us some form because we live
in the world of form. We need to connect spirit
to form, to anchor it and manifest it faster instead
of it because then it's just hot neir.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
The subconscious.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
The subconscious works in like real feeling, real photos. Like
if I said, if I said cat right now, you
don't think of.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
C a t.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
You can see a cat, So like the physical form
of like if.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
You've put something meaning into this protection candle and you
see it every day, or you're alter, you see it
every day, that's gonna embed differently than just saying like
you know whatever, just like you know, like just like
when people are like manifesting, you can wish upon a
star and something so fucking bad. But if in your subconscious,
you deeply on a deeper level, don't truly believe that
you that you deserve or worthy of that thing, or

(48:10):
you've never written in that car or eve never, like
you don't believe truly that you belong there. You could
wush upon a star forever and it's never going to
manifest that way, And like that's I think that's also
like an important part of like starting the dialogue with
the body that we talk about a lot in Tantra
is because when you when you're conscious enough to start
the dialogue with the body, you'll start to be aware

(48:32):
when things in your body don't sit right with you,
when they don't feel right. But we're a lot of
us are so often on like autopilot that even when
things feel uneasy in our gut or in our chest
or whatever, like you don't want to go to that
fucking birthday dinner, but you go anyway because so and
so is going to get mad or whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
You keep saying yes to things.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
That's actually you know, you start to override your intuition
and then your numb and you don't feel what truly
feels good to you. And there's like a level of
dialogue with your body you have to be and to
start to shift the subconscious so that when those negative
thoughts come up or when those things that go against
what you actually want come up. You could recognize it.

(49:11):
You could recognize, like, why am I rejecting this thing
that I want so badly?

Speaker 3 (49:14):
It's because you don't believe that you actually deserve it.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
You don't believe that it's actually it's actually like something
that you can you can draw to you. And this
is something that I think, I mean, if you're even
remotely a spiritual person or a person who's self aware,
this is where the work really starts to get like
nitty gritty. I think we're all, you know, around probably
the same age, and I think that this is where

(49:38):
I'm like I'm at right now, Like just like you
were saying, when you're in a bad cycle and a
bad mood, like there's a conscious choice that you have
to be like I'm going to get off of this now.
I'm done living in this reality. And so often we
especially as women, have been taught that we have been
taught to people please and to take on other people's

(50:01):
like ideas and things as truth. And so a lot
of times, like in relationships, for instance, when your man
is doing you know, something.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You might be fighting trying to get out of that mindset.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
But like like you have to take responsibility in ways
for your own shit, for how you feel, for what
you're bringing to the table, like for the moods you're in,
for the beliefs that you start to believe when you're
when you're around people and you're assuming people are talking
about you or saying something negative about you, just being
conscious of the stories that you're telling yourself.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Where the fuck did that form? Why am I saying this?
I don't know that to be.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
True, but I am constantly going with this route of
thought pattern versus this route. But why, Like recently my
man said something to me because I was like, well,
you said this and so this means that, And he's like,
I've said a lot of things. Why do you choose
to believe the worst case scenario? He's like, you're choosing

(50:55):
to believe the worst case scenario? What if you thought
about the best case scenario? And I was like, well,
what's that?

Speaker 3 (51:02):
What the fuck is that? You know?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
But there is like and then I don't like, it's true.
You have to start to believe. And he's like, what
if nothing is wrong? What if everything's gonna be just fine?
If I was not being.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Sneaky at all?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
What if I was just fucking having a regular conversation, bitch,
what about that?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
You know, like what about those apples?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
And I'm like, that doesn't fit my storyline for not
trusting people.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
The storyline is powerful tool is another tool. It's literally
like we have these tools that work against us, right,
that we've honed so fucking well. They're sharp as a
fucking knife, right, and then we have these other tools
that actually make us feel better, and we're like, yeah,
I'll get to that tool later. Yeah, let me tend
to that a little later. I don't know, I'm too
busy sharpening this one right now.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
I'll use it to me, I'll use it.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
To just just make myself feel like shit, I'd rather
believe that nobody likes me and she's against me and
he's against me, and fuck them all, because that's people
are disloyal, you know, like that is whatever my mom's
or whatever, like whatever that is. It's like something that
we inherit and we start to think. But when we
can start to recognize when those thought patterns are fucked
up and start to think the best case scenario, that's

(52:11):
when you can start to change your subconscious But it
requires so much dedication, and even once you start to
sharpen the tool, it still requires.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
You always have to do it.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
It's a lifelong the lifelong route of choosing to not
stress yourself the fuck out and live in misery. And
especially when we're living in places where collectively people are
not that intentional with their thoughts people, or we're in
a place where I think there's a shift happening, there's
an enlightenment happening.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Obviously there's a shift happening, and I want to also like.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Shift to that too, because as we talk about frequency,
I know we were talking about like dimensions, and I
don't think people really like see your frequency as living
in a different dimension, but it truly is when you
can step out of the cloud of self whatever loathing
or or whatever it is. And I know people, you
know there's medical things too that you know.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Are outside of us.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
But when you can see things for what's actually the
good that's happening in the world, the good things that
are happening to you, you can truly change your reality
and like literally like quantum jump to a different dimension
and then you'll attract different people and attract a different community,
and your reality will be different. But I think sometimes
the frequency of a places we live, the people we keep,

(53:27):
and the belief systems that have we've been born into,
keep us so low. Not to mention social media, where
it's also designing how we think and what we feel,
that that we sometimes stay in those places without thinking
that we have any power over our reality.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's that's magic, right,
Like you see people like you often see people that
like have totally transformed their lives right Like they've like
are living totally different lives all of a sudden, You're
like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Like who are they? First of all, who do they
think they are?

Speaker 6 (53:59):
Because how dare they just like switch and like decide
to switch timelines?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Like who the fuck do you think you are?

Speaker 6 (54:05):
Which is crazy also for people to like look at someone,
it's it's it's a lot of times it's it's mirroring
something that you don't even know how how in your
life to put the toolbox together to even begin to do.
Whereas then you know people that do this all the time.
They jump timelines all the time, they're reinventing themselves all
the time. They're new person, they have new circles of friends.

(54:28):
They're attracting new experiences because they've they figured out whatever
those that that toolbox is for them, that magic is
for them, that mind shift magic, that it is for them,
and it's available to everybody.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Right.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Having the tools is so powerful in creating the habits
and the intention and the momentum for whatever timeline it
is that you're trying to jump into. Right, Like I
was telling I was I was during my birth I
needed a message. I was trying to search for something.
So I know through my toolbox the things that I

(55:06):
have created there's.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
Like for me and now this I'm so great.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
That was like that was the gift that I got.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Was like a true confirmation of the sequence of things
that in my toolbox that have to happen in order
for me to get an answer. I know for sure
I have mastered at least one ritual or sequence of
things that I know I can get and pull something from.
Like I mastered that, and that's that's exciting for me.
And like some like you can call it witchcraft, you

(55:35):
could call it fucking self mastery, you could call it who.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Do you call all these different things?

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Right?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
And I think people get so wrapped up in the word,
the language, all those things.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Call it.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
Whatever the fuck you need to do, just do it,
just get it, find it, you know, like find what
those things are for you. And I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
One.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
Nature's involved one hundred percent. Movements involved one hundred percent.
You know, touching your body, like being in communion with
your body is involved one hundred percent. You're probably have
to say some shit. Maybe might need to sing. I
know I need to sing, you know, like I need
to be in near water. I like to hula hoop.
Like there's things that for me, I know how to

(56:20):
talk to source, this specific source, because then there's other
things that I need to do in order to talk
to my grandmother, And there's other things I need to
do in order to talk to this ancestor that I
don't have a name for yet, but I know it's someone,
you know, Like, and I think, like we've we've we've
demonized these things, these tools that are literally just God given,

(56:41):
they're so natural, they're in the Bible actually, you know.
And I guess what has been your experience in creating
your toolbox, like, because for me it's been obviously it's
like trial and error, Like, is there specific realm in
in in the work that you do that you feel
like mastered in creating these tools for yourself?

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Oh, I mean I have, I have. I mean I
have different tools for different things. But when it comes
to when it comes to manifesting, my most trustworthy tool
is writing and communicating. Is me writing down what it is,

(57:35):
what the timeline that I want to jump to looks like,
feels like, what it is like, what's there? Who I
am there? And then saying it, speaking it out loud.
That's my tool that works for me all the time.
And I always do that in the presence of and

(57:56):
the presence of a candle and presence of candlelight. This
is why I have such a connection. You know, I
almost set attachment, but I don't want to say attachment.
But this is why I have so much such a
connection with candles. And you know, even like my my
first product on their House of who To were fixed candles.
And it's because I do everything under candlelight. I love

(58:18):
having the candle be a point of a focus, even
if I'm not even if it's not a fixed candle,
I just have like a white little candle and now
I'm just like focusing on displane and allowing the cont
and allowing the noise to kind of like drift away
so that my mind becomes clear and everything and all
that I have here is just what I want.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Mhm.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
You know. It's almost like a form of hypnotherapy.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
By that way.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Yeah, you're just watching the candle and you're so focused
on it and visualizing and imagining that timeline, that reality
and aligning with it. You are in that moment you
are aligning with it, and that is and it's it's
so so real. You know. It goes from material which
is writing it, to then speaking it and then seeing it,

(59:09):
so then it's shifting and materializing.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Can you sorry?

Speaker 6 (59:13):
I was just going to ask you what is a
fixed What is a fixed candle? For people that are
listening and don't know what that means or what that is?

Speaker 5 (59:20):
I mean, all right, So a fixed candle right like
he It's a candle that you prepare with with ingredients
like oils, powders, herbs. Sometimes people will put crushed crystals

(59:40):
and other minerals on it. The reason why fixed candles
are as we call them, you know, in Hudu culture,
it's called fixed candle, but other people call them dressed
candles prepared candles. But it's essentially the same thing. You know,
it's like fixing. It's like fixing a plate, right like
old Southern term I'm a fix real plate is like
i'm a together play for you. And so everything everything

(01:00:06):
under the sun has consciousness. And when you're working, the
wax has consciousness, the glass has consciousness, anything that any
everything has consciousness because everything is under the it's under
the Creator's creation. Nothing is here without the creator, nothing

(01:00:27):
is here without source. Everything has source energy, everything has frequency.
And so from the from the wax to the wicks,
to the labels, to the candle, to the glass, to
the oils, to the herbs to the flame when you
light it, that is all consciousness coming together to support
you in your ritual. You have this little you know,

(01:00:49):
kind of like this this little tool full of consciousness,
and your lying it with your own consciousness and it
becomes this point of focus so that you can pinpoint
the reality. I always look at realities as like pages
in a book, and I'm like, well, which page do
I want to jump to? I want to jump to
this page. And a candle ritual allows you to phone

(01:01:09):
in on that on that reality and plug yourself in
there and just jump in there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
And when I think about this, I think about like
a couple of things, like a you have to continue
to come back to your like you have to revisit
manifestations over and over and over again because we're like
a part of us is only aware to the scope
of what we've experienced and what we've seen. Right, So,
like as a kid, you've only seen so much. You've

(01:01:37):
only seen your parents' relationship, maybe some family members relationships,
so you have an idea of what it's like at
the very bare level what you've seen. But as you
as you like expand, as you learn more, as you
see more, you're like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Oh, actually I want that. Oh I didn't know you
could do that. I want that, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
So there's like a it's like a story that's constantly
being written that you you can because also we're living
lives that as kids versions of it, we wanted this.
I'm living the life that I dreamed. Did I know
like I was gonna be a podcast or not? Because
who the fuck knew what that was back then?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
But like I you know, there's like just levels of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Expansion and that your dreams and your manifestations require and
like and in childhood, it's so easy to like feel
the mystic you know, like like watching witchy movies, like
going to the library trying to look for witch books
and spells. There's like a it's like you're it's it's
mystery and it's fun. But like I feel like I

(01:02:32):
had such deeper psychic powers as a child because I
just that's what I believed in, you know, And like
I would be like I would ask a question and
I'm like the first letter that I see, if it's
like why or E or E it has hy e
or S in it, it's a yes. If it has
N or OW in it, the answer is no. And
I just would do that in the backseat of the
car and close my eyes and then look up at
something and be like no, close my eyes. It's just

(01:02:54):
like the most like why my child mind was working
that way. But like coming back to those things like
everything like you said, like we're all made up of Adams.
The book is made up of the same thing I'm
made up of, except I'm the consciousness like in this form,
and so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I'm ultimately giving it power. I make, I make what
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Just like we were talking about, you know, those questions
I was asking you about. You know, when you certain
when you come in contact with certain things, it's like,
if that's what you believe, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, you know that is the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
There's there's multiple truths, Like how you're experiencing this conversation
and how you're experience this conversation, Eric are totally different
than how I'm experiencing this conversation, and we're all having
the same conversation. You know, Like it's just remembering to
dive into your imagination in order to create your life.

(01:03:45):
It can be your wildest dreams, but you have to
be able to get into the dreams and the imagination.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
When I came to the realization, when I came to
that awakening, or write that clarity, that awakening, that our
experience are our whole reality. There is not a fraction
of our reality that is not dictated by our belief system.
I had a very you know, fuck it, what the

(01:04:12):
fuck is the point of it? I had a very
like what the fuck is the point of it?

Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
And then I'm just not gonna believe in anything, because
I believe if making believe not Also, if my belief
system always also makes me vulnerable.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
To the things that I don't want, then what the fuck?
And I just wanted like a blank slick. I don't
want to believe in anything I don't believe in, And
then I always have these moments of like clarity, of
like this is why I have my morning rituals where
I just wake up and the first thing I do

(01:04:49):
is just light my incense and start sweeping, because in
that silence and in that meditation of just sweeping around,
all of the answers come and all the clarity comes.
And in that moment, you know, in one morning, in
something like my consciousness, you know, my higher consciousness came
and spoke to me and said, you cannot The reason

(01:05:13):
why you're feeling so stuck right now is because you
went on a bantern. You went on a rampage of
I don't want to believe in shit, and now you're
stuck in this fucking limbo. You have to believe because
it's belief that creates your reality. You cannot just not

(01:05:33):
believe shit, because that's not going to cancel out everything else.
It's just going to leave you suspended in this limbo
of like nothing. That's because you have no direction. It's
like you turned off the car. You turn off the car,
turn the car back on, So turn the car back on.
You have to start believing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So now from.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
This point on, since now you understand that your entire
reality is created by your belief system, then start creating
new beliefs.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Start building your motherfucking toolbox, because it's literally just what
what do you believe works for you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Yeah, start creating new believes. You cannot lead because without
the belief, you cannot have a reality. You cannot.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
And it requires the openness and like, like I think
I was saying imagination before, like as a child, but
like the openness to really just do some new shit.
You know, a lot of times we have these beliefs
like that's silly or this is stupid, even me, Like
we're all functioning on like this very simple, tangible three
D reality, and at a soul level.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
We're dimensionless.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
I mean, we can travel anywhere and back, you know
what I mean, but we're anchored here in this form
right now, and so we are living in a lot
of different realities. But it's the openness that powers this
three D like this three D.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Space that in do you know what I mean? And
like we had to be able to tap into that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
And just this weekend I had a Tontra session with
a couple and the guy I was just like, you know,
some of this is going to feel stupid, but I'm
inviting you to do it anyway and see where it
brings you without judgment, you know. And then the day after,
a friend of mine invited me in Orlando to do
like a tontra reiki session and it was and I

(01:07:24):
went in the room Orlando, who just worked like he's
worked every day this month.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
He worked on a Saturday. He was like just in
there watching.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Football and I was like, Hey, you wanted to do
a reiki session with me?

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
He's like, not really, I want to watch football. And
I was like, okay, I'll just do it by myself.
And he was like fine, if you want to do it,
we'll do it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
So we went upstairs and you know, I knew better
than to ask like what it consisted of, because there's
never going to be a step by step anyway. It
got really good, but it was like there was a
point where I was like worried, like he's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Like, bitch, what are we doing? I want to go
downstairs and watch football.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
And then there's a point where I just release and
let it go and just follow the directions. And we
were like rying, mining and growling and breathing and like,
you know, just being like I was like, if anyone
was like a fly on the wall, they're like, these
people are absolutely crazy. But when I just dropped into
my body and dropped into the instructions of whatever I

(01:08:19):
was told I did, I had like a full body orgasm,
like an energy like of just feeling of like just
feeling tingly all over my body. And I cried, I laughed,
and it almost like I took a psychedelic But I
knew that I could get there and even meet someone
who's like I could be pretty skeptical, but also I'm like,
fuck it, let's do it. You know, there's a level
of consciousness I have to release in order to go

(01:08:41):
there and let my body ride. And I think as adults,
we become more and more skeptical because we're surviving, you know,
we have to survive, and so your your reality is
such reflection of the like the like the reality that
we're living in, and that you're you need to pay
bills and you need to go and you need to
do this, You need to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
That it's hard to have a level of open is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
To remember to keep designing your life and like the
belief and the power comes from this other source. But
just like allowing those places to both exist, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Yeah, and bringing it back to imagination, you know, we
as we have been telling ourselves since since you know,
not start of telling ourselves, but adults telling us when
we were kids, and now us telling ourselves and telling
kids that all you're it's just imagining. It's just imagining.
Our imagination is source connection. Our imagination allows us to

(01:09:37):
see the realities that there are within our own spectrum
so that we can project ourselves that way, if that's
where we want to go. If you can't imagine it,
you can create it because it already exists. If it

(01:09:57):
is in your imagination, then it is and it is
a real and it is alive and it is living
and it is doing and it is breathing, and it only
needs your consciousness to align with it through frequency, through vibration,
through belief it for you to be living it. And
that's what imagination allows us to do. That's why imagination

(01:10:20):
for children. It's like, this is why when we were
kids we were so magical, because we we we imagined
and then projected ourselves in that direction. We didn't question it.
We believed it. If we saw it in our minds,
it's like, oh, it's real, it's true and it's happening.
Now we see it in our minds and we questioned it,
We're like, oh, it's fantasy, it's imagination. There's no way

(01:10:42):
it's like it. No, that is that is our that
is our like a catching record, like our imagination. It's
it's the book that liss like. It's like the slides
of the film that tells us look at all the slides,
look at all the obums you have, look at all
the choices, which one will you pick? It's our catalogue.
Imagination is our catalog, and it lets us know, like
these are the potentials of the opportunities. Do you want

(01:11:04):
to align with it? All? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Let's shift mm hmm, because we don't pick the best
case scenarios because somewhere someone has told us, no, that's
not reality, that's not realistic.

Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
And that's like, you know, I was just thinking about,
like how happy children are, right, because they get to
choose their reality every day. And it's like until someone
until some stupid ass adult like fucking beats it out
of them, that this just can't happen. And that's like
as adults, like we're always on trying to remember what
that felt like as a child, or like trying to
go back to our child like self right or here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Heal our inner child.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
And the beauty of being an adult is that we
have a lot more free will than we did as children.
We have the opportunity to decide who is around us
supporting our reality. Whereas when we're children, the person who's
not supporting your reality might be your own parent, you know,
might be the household that you live in. And so

(01:12:00):
like I think that as sometimes as adults we get
really sad because like, oh man, it could have been different,
like if I was a kid. Well, actually it's actually
it's not. I want to say it's better, but it's
it's today. This is, this is it is just as
beautiful because now you actually have the free will to
really design the life you want.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
On your own terms, and create the reality that you want.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
On your own terms, and and and create the circles
and the energy that you have around you on your
own terms and and decide what is real and what
isn't for you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, no, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
That just made me feel really excited because sometimes like
it's just that mindset shift, right, It's just that shift
when you decide that when you decide to look at it,
not as like, oh, I'm too old and too late
versus no, actually I'm old and it's the perfect time
and I have control over my life and I can
do this. Like, is sometimes that mindset shift, that mindset

(01:12:53):
shift in your subconscious that now you're allowed to project
into this new dimension where you're successful, where you have
everything that you desire, where your relationship is like the
best it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
It's the juiciest it's ever been.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Where you're wealthy and money's on the way, you know,
and this is thank you. This is like feels like
a gift for me too on my birthday because like
this is a reminder I know these things, but like
you have to remind like even bitches, even bad bitches,
even bad witches need a reminder.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
Okay, we always do it. This is what we were
talking about that we are we you know we live
in relations to each other. We are mirrors. These conversations
are mirroring back. You're marrying me, I'm marrying you. I
am reminding you of what you already knew. That that's
what it's that's the whole point. And then now you
take all of this information and you go to your

(01:13:45):
quiet solitude, your little cave, and you let a marrin Aida.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
Yes, yes, I know we didn't get to get to
bad Choice of the Week early in the episode, but
I still wanted to ask you, Jessica, I have you
made any bad choices?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
This week?

Speaker 10 (01:13:59):
Mom had a bad mom, but a bad mom.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
So good, Oh my god, justice? Or this year, Oh
my god, bad bad choices? Bad? Well, I'll say this,

(01:14:30):
I it's not necessarily a bad choice, but sometimes I
you know, we have that little nagging thing called guilt.
That's a little pain in the ass. And I had
stopped drinking alcohol for a very four years. I just

(01:14:51):
stopped drinking when I got pregnant. My son is three now.
Stopped drinking when I was pregnant, then during, and then
once he was born. I did not drink because I
was so terrify that, Oh my god, I'm not going
to be in my right mind to take care of him.
I need to be present and focused all the time.
And then this year I went this year I started

(01:15:12):
drinking again, just small socially, and for whatever reason, it
felt like the guilt kicked in, like oh, you're you're
drinking again, and et cetera, et cetera. But then I
told myself, I'm like, you know, what, what the like,
what the fuck is wrong with me? Like? Why am
I judging myself for having for having a little a

(01:15:32):
little bit of a social drink, right? Like why is
it that I'm guilty myself for drinking? Is it because
I'm a mother? Is it because I'm a miss? Is
it because I'm a mother? And there's that that whole
notion of like, oh, your mother, you shouldn't be drinking.
Is it because I'm a mystic? And people have this
whole perception that mystics should not be drinking because you
should always be in your in your sober mine and

(01:15:54):
and all this nonsense. So fuck it. I enjoy my whiskey, okay, amen,
I I enjoy my whiskey, meat, my coffee black. And
I bad at three?

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Three?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
You're bad at three?

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
I was like, I'm mass off. I am mass offt
I go to sleep at night because I'm a wake
up four Oh my goodness, it's trying to make myself
sound than I actually.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
Girl, Enjoy that drink. Got you got a three year old?
Take the edge off. It's okay, and enjoy it. Enjoy
every moment of it. Enjoy Enjoy the warmth it gives
you in your body, the looseness that it gives you,
the freedom, just the mental freedom, the physical freedom. It's
just it takes you back to a time before kids

(01:16:49):
bitch do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It's important.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
The guilt and the shame is that we tell ourselves.
It's like I've thought about this. I'm like, am I
gonna look at back at my life? And I was
so busy is worried about the negative that I haven't
even really like enjoyed the joy of it all, Like
I would hate to look back at my life and
being like I was just like a little bit happy,
like I didn't really like expand like really feel what

(01:17:12):
it feels like, Like this feels really good to be
living in my truth, to be in love, to be
like having a daughter that I love, like I like
my house. I like this and I like these little
things and like to be celebratory about it, Like what
is that thing that makes us like damn?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Is this bad? Is this too much? Is this too much?
Is this too much? If I have one drink?

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
Is too much?

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
It's just gonna be like that again that what is
the worst case scenario?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Like what?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Sometimes when I panic, I'm like what am I? What
am I tripping about? What is the worst case scenario?
I'm gonna be late?

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
It's it's that programming. It's not subconscious programming where that's
where the guilts and that's where guilds comes from. That's
where shame comes from. Because we love frequency very That is,
we all have different things that we are that we
feel guilt, we feel guilty for, we feel ashamed of,
and it comes from the programming of not just our families,

(01:18:08):
but our cultures and society, et cetera, et cetera. Like
I said, like for me, my guilt with with getting
back to drinking alcohol. Someone else would be like, are
you crazy that I had a drink when the baby
when the baby popped out? You know what I mean?
But it's my it was my own self imposed guilt.
There was no one shaming me or looking down on me.

(01:18:31):
It was just it was my own. And I don't
know where that it could have It could have came
from a lot, from a variety of places. I'm not
trying to figure out where it came from. I'm just
saying I'm just ten sell sending it to go so
somewhere else, far away from me, because I don't tend
it away all that I'm sucking, sucking and leave me.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
You like, and even and even the idea of too
as a mystic, that you're not supposed to drink like
you know, like this, this concept that as mystic as healers,
we are supposed to check off these checkboxes in order
to be worthy of the work.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Show me you want me to, how you want me
to look or be perceived.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Yeah, and obviously yes, there was a there is a
level of health and that that is ideal in in
in the practices and the work that we do. But
there's also a level of like it's okay, like God
like alcohol was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Created for us to consume.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
Okay, yes, I mean as long as we're not like
an even subcusion, you know what, like a bitch has
I had to get drunk a few times to just
you know, also be to be reminded of like, hey,
like I I work best this way, or like I
got a message from some spirits because I was on
some spirits, Okay, like I had to I had to

(01:19:49):
like actually get out of my own way and out
of my mind in order to like receive messages. And
not telling you that you need to go on a bender, bitch,
go talk to your ancestors. If you're listening to this
someone who has maybe drinking problem. But I am saying that, like,
as women that do this work, like there's a level
of grace that we that we have to give ourselves,

(01:20:10):
and there's this level of perfection that I see so
much of so many women fall into, including myself, that
actually then takes us farther away from what we're here
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
So drink the drink girl.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
Yeah. And going back to believe is going back to
what we were talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Our beliefs, the believing, Yeah, the believing that this is bad.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
Exactly believe the real good. It's just a belief system.
It's what creates our reality. Nothing is bad, nothing is good.
Alcoholics neither bad nor good what makes you know how?
You know how there are people and I'm not trying
like like you said, I'm not trying to condone anyone
to to go, you know, get liquored up and pick
up our alcoholic habit. But you know how there are

(01:20:56):
people who can be consuming the same substance and one
person will be sick from it and the other person won't.
And it's because of the relationship and the belief system
that you have towards that substance. It's not the substance itself,
because everything in creation has a neutral energy, and once
we become in contact with that neutral energy, then we

(01:21:17):
give through our belief. Then we transform it's energy to
whatever we want it to be, right, be it positive,
be a negative, be it healing, be it be it
you know, poison, hm m hmm. But it's not the
thing itself.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Never it is. Yeah, it's the power we put in it,
exact power we give to you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
And that's another thing like yeah, like what if you
had your drink and then you got you felt just
so guilty about it and bad about it, like you
won't even enjoy the drink.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
No, you probably wake up like hold the headache. But
it's so much thought. Yeah, it's it's all in the belief.
And then you and then you can say like, well
when I when I was drinking, I was having such
a good time, but I still woke up hungover. It's like, yes,
but you have a subconscious belief that alcohol is bad
for you. Mm hm. And so when you ingested it, it

(01:22:07):
made you sick. Whether in that moment you were enjoying
your subconsciously, you were enjoying yourself, You're subconscious was telling
the rest of your system all this is poisoned, this
is poisoned, this is bad. We need to feel like
shit tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, and that's how it also.

Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
Drink water, Yeah, your men's zinc, drink a lot of
for alcohol if you're in your thirties and lights.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Yeah for real though, if you want to do it,
if you want to do it successfully, you got to
drink equal equal amount parts liquor and water equal parts
mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
That's all belief. Everything goes back to our belief system
everything everything.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
Speaking of belief systems, do you have an affirmation that
you can share with with our guests, our audience, excuse me,
our audience today, And.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Yeah, my affirmation goes right. Believe has taken the lead
this episode, because that's what my affirmation is. My affirmation.
This is something that I'm constantly reminding myself, especially after
I had that come to Jesus moment where my higher
self said to me, ma'am, the reason why you are

(01:23:17):
stuck is because you turned off the car, because you
decided that you're not gonna believe in anything anymore because
you got pissed. So turn it on and believe in something.
And so from that point on, my personal affirmation it's
a thing that it's just a reminder, a reminder whenever
I'm feeling off centered, I remind myself that I am

(01:23:39):
the architect of my own reality and that only what
I allow in my reality can have an effect on me,
and my belief system creates everything in my reality. If
I don't believe in it and cannot affect me, cannot
touch me, and cannot be a part of my reality.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
H the architect of my own reality.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I love all of that. It's so true.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
It's so true, and sometimes it's so hard for you
to get off the wagon of whatever reality you've been
on that feels comfortable, that feels safe, even if it's
hurting you and harming you and ruining everyone everything around you.
But the beauty is is that you can also change that.
You can get off the car. You can get off

(01:24:28):
the get out of the car and get a new
one and start it, start it over.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Yeah, And we can be pissed about it. We can,
you know, sometimes we do get pissed about Oh why
do I Why do I have such negative beliefs? Why
do I have these patterns? Why do I keep going
back to the thing that I don't prefer, the thing
that I don't like? And it's because your brain is
designed to create patterns for your survival. This is why

(01:24:54):
positive things stay in your mind. This is why positive
things last so little. You have such like short effect,
yet negative things have such long term effect. Meaning if
someone curses you out, that will affect you much longer
than if someone gave you a compliment. And it's because
your brain is always trying to protect you and protect
itself by creating, by holding onto these threatening moments, these

(01:25:18):
threatening experiences, and creating patterns so that you don't repeat
them for your own survival. But then you have to
once you but then you have to get to a
place where you have to retrain your mind, retrain your
brain that you're no longer in survival mode. And this
is where the subconscious programming comes in. It's like, we're
no longer in survival mode. We don't no longer have

(01:25:39):
to follow these patterns. We no longer have to believe
these things. We can believe different so that we can
experience different.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
You have to learn to like activate our parasympathetic nervous
system and know that we're like not always in immediate danger.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
M not every you know, curse word or not. That
someone else's rudeness is not a threat. It's not a
threat to us. That's their problem, right right. That someone
else not you know, our partner not responding to us
immediately doesn't mean this person is doing something behind our backs.

(01:26:16):
That type of stuff. We need to mm hmmrove reprogram because.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
You open up so much space too, in your mind
and your body, like not being stressed, not being mad,
like I like, you open up just so much space
to just have less negativity, and that is invaluable.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Yeah, you open up, you get rid of clutter. I
mean naturally, your brain gets rid of the information that
is no longer useful but you can help it and
go further. I get get rid of the patterns that
are keeping you stuck in a reality that you don't
want to be in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Sure, throw it out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Oh well, thank you so much, Jessica. This has been
so great and just enlightening. And before we leave a
oh do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
We do taro? Did you have do you have a
do you do you have a deccary?

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Mila? Did you pull a card? I do?

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Let make up?

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Grab it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
The two of Pentacles. Let's see the two pentacles sisters today.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
And I'm not a Tarot reader, Jessica, I just look
online so you know this is great?

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
No this there there are no no, there's no way
of reading tarot and there are no coincidences. There's a
messages there for us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
This is multiple priorities, time management, prioritization, and adaptability. When
the two of Pentacles appears in a tarot reading, it
is safe to say you are juggling your priorities, roles,
and responsibilities. For examples, you may be working parent, a
general manager of a business, administrative assistant in a busy office,
or someone who works multiple jobs. In the upright position,

(01:28:11):
this card notes you're doing an excellent job of balancing
those different priorities, and you can take on whatever life
throws at you. But this two reminds you that the
line between coping with these demands and losing control is thin.
You need to manage your time, energy, and resources carefully
so you do not lose your balance. It often appears
when you are busy rushing from one thing to the
next with little downtime in between. You may tell your

(01:28:33):
stuff that you've gotten enough time or or you're not
in a rush. However, remember that you don't have to
be busy to get things done. Sometimes taking a break
is the most productive thing you can do. Similarly, the
two pednacles can appear when you are getting caught up
in the day to day demands and losing sight of
the bigger picture. If it resonates, ask yourself, what life

(01:28:54):
do I want? And how can I recognize my schedule
to create the life that I desire?

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
You know it? All the lines and everything we've been
talking to do? Are we short for time?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
Oh? Because listen, I want to tie this into something
you I don't know if have you both seen the
movie Interstellar? Yeah, that's the one where they go to
space and there's like parallel realities, et cetera, et cetera. Yes,
the Boconaughey with bookshelf. All right, so I just I

(01:29:31):
know crazy. I just watched it for the first time
a few days ago.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
It's twenty two here also, just so you know, we
just pulled the two pinnacles and it's two twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
And it's yeah, it's yeah. I'm looking there's a bunch
of twos on my screen too. In in you know,
the movie has a ton of messages, right, It's got
a ton of messages about dimensions, the fourth the fourth
dimension being that the dimension that resonates with the heart,
with with love, with the heart great frequency. There's this

(01:30:02):
whole misconception of like, oh, we are ascending to the
fifth dimensions, Like it's impossible for us was sent to
the fifth dimension as material beings because the fifth dimension
has no form. There's no form in the fifth dimension.
There is form in the fourth dimension, but it's a
higher form of form. So many of us are ascending

(01:30:23):
to the fourth dimension to experience reality, experience life, human
life from the fourth dimension, not the fifth. There's no
form in the in the fifth and so in one
out of the many messages of Interstellar. One that's like
stuck out towards the end to me was when he returned,
when he was rescued, when he got lost in space

(01:30:44):
and he was rescued, and he returned and his and
his daughter was old and she was dying, but he
was still young. He was he had only become as
old as those three years that he was lost, right,
let's say. And I was and immediately like I was
watching it with a and I'm like, oh my god.
It isn't time that makes us age, like physical age.

(01:31:07):
It is in time that makes us physically aged. It
isn't gravity either. It is experience. The more we live
in a day is what makes us old. So the
less we experience, the less we live. The less we do,
the less busy, the less active, the longer we live.

(01:31:31):
This is why the people who live the oldest, like
those old centennials, you know, those in the they live
in areas where their life is so incredibly slow, simple.
They don't have all of these things to do. And
we were and we were both looking at each other,

(01:31:51):
and I was like, listen, this movie had a bunch
of messages, but this one is the one that's staying
with me because this is it, Like this was my message.
I need to simplify my life done. I don't need
to be doing all these all these things for what reason.
I can either what is that saying, uh, live fast,

(01:32:15):
die young, or I can live slow and enjoy the ride.
I rather live. I rather live slow and live long
so that I can experience more, so that I can
give give more to to to the to all the
things that are to come. I don't want to live here,

(01:32:38):
ah no, No, I.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Want to stay yeah, and like be present, because how
can you actually be present if you're living fast. I
think that that that's saying live fast, die young. Well,
I just maybe think of m I live fasting is
as I'm getting older. I don't know about you guys,
but I'm really realizing these sayings. How like these simple

(01:33:04):
sayings like have so much wisdom. They're not just like
you can't just throw these things away anymore specific Like
even that one right, like it's literally telling you to
slow the fuck down or else you gonna die young
and die young as perspective, right, because you'd be like, well,
she doesn't look very young, and she's just like she
did a lot of shit, like you know, like it's
it's true. It's true that like so often we see

(01:33:27):
those people that really like slowed and really enjoyed every
moment like they've lived the longest. They live the longest. Yeah,
and it feels impossible. It feels impossible sometimes in the
world that we live in. But it's not because we're
choosing that reality again, we're choosing that reality.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
We are choosing that reality of always having of having
a plate full of things and responsibilities and things.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
That we need to get to and Hatter is filled.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Oh no, oh no. And I remember watching that movie
towards the end and I was like telling my friend,
I'm like, do you remember It's like have you paid
attention to how all of these like sci fi movies
and they go to space, they put them to sleep
in the pods because when they are when they are sleeping,
they're not experiencing and so when they wake up, they're
still young. And it's because they're not experiencing life on Earth.

(01:34:19):
And there's life on Earth that are making spaking our
bodies old and Brinkley and Holly would be trying.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
To tell us it all is when the world is.

Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
Really ending, like when It's like when we're like days
away from the real world ending, we're going to look
back on all those movies and be like they tried
to tell us, they.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Try it's over and over and over.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
We need to slow down, We need to slow down.
We got to slow down because it's we are getting
This is why you look at you know, when there
are certain people and you know, you look at them
and they are like they are you can there are
certain people that have aged a certain way and you're like,
oh wow, like life like damn, life came at him.

(01:35:10):
And it's it's not that life came at him. They
went that life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:35:15):
Face first, bitch, face first, and it could they could
have aged differently. I truly believe that everyone. You could
age differently, Like what your how are you optimally aging? Yes,
you know because some people are like aging face first
and first, aging face first. It doesn't have to be

(01:35:40):
this way, doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Oh my god, we need to slow down. That's my word.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
That's gonna be my beauty has Like I don't who
needs beauty creams?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
You don't need anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
You don't need any more.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Ship doesn't need to slow down. Yes to slow down
and sure the wrinkles you already. Yeah, they're not going
to go anywhere, but at least you'll be frozen in
time like a vampire.

Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
Yeah, I mean they might. You might lose age, reverse
a gray hair, reverse my gray hairs.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
You might reverse some. You might reverse them with some
really good you know, face yoga and really good skincare handles.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
For that, Jessica, make sure you go and send them
my way.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Okay, Well, I got I got a beauty oil. And
the beauty oil is is magical from from from our
client's perspective. The beauty oil has made hair grow, hair thicker,
it has made the skin look useful, and it's and
it's a spiritual oil, like a magic oil. And the
ladies wear it.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
I guess I feel like we need I feel like
I need this. I feel like I need this at
our body retreat.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
I feel like.

Speaker 6 (01:36:48):
Beauty Oil retreat is all about beauty and goddess confidence and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Like uxury and and just indulging and you know what,
and also like capitalism tells us otherwise, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Capitalism says go.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Capitalism said, the more the more fucking certificates and and
things you have, the more businesses the better.

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
And then they wanted us to work till we die.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
And then while we're dying, they want us to spend
money at their hospitals.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
So it's like, you know, spend many of their prescription
drugs their hospitals. And also while you're while we're slowly killing,
you don't enjoy it much, so you don't really experience
joy while you're here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
And do you think this is all that?

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
There is exactly that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
It's all.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
It's all a business.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
When people are having fun and actually enjoying their life,
you look at them sideways and think those people are
weird witches.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Yeah, those people are witches, and those witches are bumps.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Yeah, we gotta slow down. That's a fountain of youth.
We got to slow down. We have to do less,
do less in our day to day more.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Yeah, too much, it's too much.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
Do less in your day to day and be present,
show up to everything with no expectations, because expectations rob
you of your beauty, of that experience. You can't fully
experience something when you have a You've already come with
your script in your head.

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
You're already excited, you've already decided what your belief is
around this. So now it's just what it is, and
now it's going to be what it's going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
Now it's going to be the projection. Now it's going
to projecting onto it, now what it actually was intended
to be.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Yeah, yeah, Oh, thank you so much, Jessica. This was
such a beautiful conversation. I'm so grateful that you took
the time to sit down with us and share with
our community, and shout out to our community for guiding
us to you and connecting us to you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
Oh I love it. Thank you all so much for
sharing a good word and getting me on here. I've
had I've had a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
I appreciate you coming. And if you come to LA,
don't forget to call us.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Oh you know it's Can you tell our audience where
they can find all of your, all of you, everything.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
All of me can be found House of Hudu. So
it's it's h a U s of Hudu h o
O d o O. So you can find me on Instagram.
I also have a YouTube channel and an online botanica
where you could shop all of my wonderful tools that
I've been creating for nine years and many more to come.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Lovely. I'm not. I'm tapping in.

Speaker 6 (01:39:48):
I need to go on your store and see I
need I need some candles.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Sure, Oh I need some beauty oil.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
Yeah sure, And it's most divine.

Speaker 6 (01:40:00):
I've taken a long break from my altra work and
like today I'm cleaning my room and I was like,
it's time.

Speaker 12 (01:40:06):
Yeah, girl, there is no better time than now this
season to really get ourselves align our spiritual practices.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
Yes, Well, thank you for.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
The reminder and for us.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
You know where to find us at Good Mom's Bad
Choices everywhere and you can follow the Good Vibe Retreat.
We announced our Jamaica Retreat, which by the time you're
hearing this it might be completely sold out, but if not,
make sure you tap in. We have two other retreats
in Costa Rica, a Mommy and Me Retreat and of

(01:40:42):
course our annual Women's Retreat that we do in this sacred, sacred,
beautiful land, which also happens to be a blue zone.
So if you want to get your longevity on and
slow the fuck down, yes, come.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
To Costa Rica.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Make sure you tap into the Good Vibe re Treat
and see all the things that we're doing over there. Yeah,
and just remember that every day you have a new
day to choose what you want to believe in and
create the tools that help you get the answers you're seeking.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
So thank you, Jessica for all that you do.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
so much for having me reminder to all of us
that we are the architects of our own reality.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Yes, yes, yes, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Yeah, I'm living it so good. Can't you tell?

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
I went through a drought.

Speaker 10 (01:41:36):
That's until I find a well maym have been known
Earth that used to be broken tail now got the
blues dance and might Beyonce Jill.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
Throat shot or popping. It's coy. We're in our voices.

Speaker 10 (01:41:45):
Patriarchy kept it in the box, so it'sploids. Women put
the p and powers, so what's pointingless? They want me
to be good, so I mean bad choice is bad mom?
Not a bad mom, but a bad mom. Gitters in
on put cannabis in their back bone, walked in bosses
happ and I blew his cat ball tip dog.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
Now I'm immune to.

Speaker 10 (01:42:03):
The cat called Herbie and the waisted straight to it
like a dollar sign. Mother rent the lover when too.
It is like a water summer you rent the winter
essential will when the summertime. I do what doll ain't
no one that needs to run it by

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