The 4 Step Path to Poly Feat. Kenya

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
She cooked, she cleaned, cared for her children and the
man of the house, and of course she didn't talk back.
She was both obedient and soft by nature. She was
a good woman who always made good choices. We're good
mom with bad choices, do single mom? Who said? But

(00:20):
the patriarchy shared all their bad choices and found out
they were so bad after all, we're experts.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Overshares and your new bestie.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Sit back and near the ride. I can do a
pat mom.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome back to good mom's bad choices.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm Eric fr I'm Nila, and it's motherfucking Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Beach is hump day, beach.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's a hump day, bitch. Are you getting humped tonight?
Because I am an that's Arah.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I got humped this morning. Oh how are you, dear?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm good, I'm great. I worked out this morning. I
got in the steam room. I recently joined a gym.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
So your steam room at your house.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
No, I don't have a steam room at my house.
But that's thank you for thinking that. I do an
I do with those are two different things, okay, whatever.
I joined a gym finally because I was class passing
my life away, and I got tired of the shit.
I love class past, but I needed to just commit
to the gym. So now I've joined, I've followed suit
to view. I joined a boogie gym, and I love

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it because I'm a bougie bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm telling you, like the bougieness is.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I feel like this is the era of boogieness. Like
I wish that my bougie gym is more black. But
then I'm also like, you know, I don't need any friends.
I don't want anyone to talk to me.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
But yeah, my boogie gym got the black people.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's like a It motivates you to get to the
fucking gym. It has to be boogie. I feel like
about a spot every time I go. I'm like, this
is the right choice.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I saw my baby daddy at the gym. I
saw school Boy Q at the gym. I'm definitely gonna
say my baby daddy. And I saw Okay Cola at
the gym. Everybody says I saw my ex's new girlfriend
at the gym. The gym is pop. It was a
very populicious gym experience today. I said, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I wonder if my gym will let me be the
d inclusion.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Hey it's me just I just joined and I have
a proposition for one.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Hundred dollars off. I can be your d I.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Appointed myself.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Here's my list of people who want to come, so
just make it happen.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
By Yeah, so it was good. I worked out with
my baby daddy, which was very It never happened ever
in life, so that was interesting. I'm getting ready to
go on a trip with him.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I was gonna say when this episode comes out, we'll
have come back from the trip with your baby daddy.
You guys, we are going on a vacate. We're going
on a retreat. But after the retreat, her baby daddy
is coming with her child. And we decided, because we
were crazy, we're gonna all stay in the same house.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Together, and that's going to be interesting. This is called growth.
This is called evolution. This is called we are in
a different place I think.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean at the end of the day, we had
kids with the baby daddies. At some point, like if I,
if I my baby daddy wasn't such a fucking asshole,
and so by we would be friends too. Because Nigga
I've known you for twenty five years. We've made life together,
so that would be ideal, and I wish that it
was more ideal. Maybe my distant future we'll have more

(03:11):
of a friendship and Orlando and him of this beast.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
So maybe I'll rub my baby daddy entered future energy.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
On you, sprinkle it on over. Maybe he'll get some
maturity or something.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Orlando, you're supposed to be supportive of this, don't you see?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Alicia Keys and Swiss beats, God, grow up.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
This is why my life can not maturety anywhere.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
So anyway, Yeah, that's that's where I'm at today.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, beautiful, I'm happy to hear that.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know, seven years ago when we started this podcast,
I don't think we'd ever thought we'd be any of us,
either one of us. No one would be here. So
lots of growth has happened. I'm proud of you.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Actually, check back in in June.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, we're like, let's see how I waited it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I threw them off a check my inter June.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Actually we're acting. We're talking pre pre trip. I'm sure
it's gonna be fine, though.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
No, we have the kid there. The kid is there
to buffer the thing. You guys are there. I made sure.
I was like to me, like, you have to stay
in the house, come with come with us.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
So we're going at an adventure.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Bye, come, No, it'll be fun. He's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean I'm not really worried about him anyway.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. Great. I love that. I
love that for you. It's not. That's like a bitchy thing, right,
we established it. That's a bitchy thing.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I say it because everyone's saying it, but I feel
like it's bitchy.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I remember the first time someone said it to me
and I was offended. I was like, are you being
a bitch? Oh, it's a reminder of my dad date today.
I just always have a reminder to go on a
date with my dad, but it doesn't never happen.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That sounds really sad. It's just that sounds really sad.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's there, so I remember to do it, you know,
or call him at least.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, good, you know that's a good idea. Oh, actually,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I we had a party at our house this weekend
for Sunday dinner and it was really nice and my
dad came and he bought food and it was really nice.
And then you know, I gave a speech about connection
and then he hugged me for like eight minutes straight.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm like, are you gidding?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Your dad called me by accident the other day he
did with all his friends. I forgot to tell you.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Did he speak to you?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
He called me on WhatsApp and I was like, Miles
is calling me, and then there were like three other
men on the phone. He's like, oops, I called you
by accident, but how are you? I love you? And
I think your dad is going through a soft era
because like he's He's said a few things to me
recently where I'm like, you know, Miles, he was softening up.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Oh yeah, he hugged me for like eight minutes at
my party, so I was like, maybe this means he's proud.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
He is proud of you.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, my brother came.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
It was nice.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It was fun.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Anyway, you guys, we have a very special guest today
in house, one that I have personally stalked for probably upwards.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Of a year to two.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know, That's how my stocking is, just how I
put the spidy senses, the frequencies out to who's going
to be the guest. And this week we have the
founder of the Progressive Love Academy, wife, mother, businesswoman, entrepreneur,
matriarch Kennya Stevens. Not hello, polyamory expert Polly every expert. Okay, basically,

(06:11):
you guys, she's mastering life.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
She has ten husbands. She didn't want to be sensational
about that. I want to know.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I got questions. Okay, tense, you got ten husbands.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't know how many. Oh, actually, I mean I
have husband's boyfriends and friends.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
They are different categories.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I can say clearly, I have four husbands that are
life partners.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Will you say? Okay? Husbands in the traditional sense, like
you guys walk down the aisle, put a ring on it,
and then like went to the courts because you didn't
go to the court to the court, but you have
a ring for each fall four Like.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, I only have a ring for the one that
I most recently married.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Where's your original? Husband?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Said?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Good?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I don't wear that like I switch them out. I
don't just wear them all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
You should I am not being bougie.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I should be boogie. You shouldn't be more boogie. Yeah,
if you need them all four.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So this is my ring from husband number three.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
This is my ring and one might feel less than
the other though, because like one is like smaller than
the other. That would yeah play egos, Yeah, oh lesson.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
You should have you saw the hand. You should have
stepped your game up. Okay, if you're gonna be number four,
you gotta come with the fourth.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
When I first found Kenya on the internet, I immediately
showed Orlando.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was like, look at her. She has a lot
of husbands, and he was like, get that shit on
my face.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
He was just like, keep open minded.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, he wasn't really trying to hear me have multiple husbands.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
But I've been massaging it, and he massaging it deeply
into his aura.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's why she was on love like this. I'm like,
you know what, she's here.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
We should just talk to her so you can get
a better understanding of the husbands.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You want more, you want more than one husband? No,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
But I'm not opposed to having friends like other friends.
I do think that.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I feel like there's probably a point in relationships where
you're like, yeah, go hang out with bedseed nigga, you know, like,
I just feel like I understand that there may be
a time in our relationship where things will come up
and like feelings, where other people may exist.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I know you're looking at me fucking crazy because.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
A looking at her like that. Im she's she's She's not.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I know you.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So now are you judg meantal with Polly? No, just
she's me ziom into her face because she thinks that
I'm jealous.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Really, I don't know what. I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I don't think think you're too jealous to ever consider polyamory.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I don't think ever. I just think that, you know,
it's just you know, it's gonna take some time. It
can'ta take some time. It does.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's nothing to jump into, for sure. I'm not pressed.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm just I know that, you know, long term marriage
requires a lot of layers of understanding and shit happens,
and I'm not I'm not projecting that in the future
Orlena is going to suggest there'd be another wife because
I probably will cut him.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
But see literally, but you have to cut him.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
No no, no, no, oh.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You mean not not get rid of him. She means
like actually, she means like violence. She means like, actually
shame me first, do not?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
No, I mean, we've had our experiences. We're not completely monogamous.
We're not monogamous. We're honogamous. I forget to tell you, Like,
we're honogamous. We are open to indulging experiences that are
pleasurable with each other. You know, we're we're open into
having the conversations and doing the things. And we've done things,
but mostly together.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's interesting. So last night I was watching Couples Therapy,
and I my favorite show, all right, and so I've
like tapped in and tapped out, and like, I was like,
let me just start a whole new season. I don't
care about those other people anymore. I'm bored. So I
started with season four and there was a Paulle couple
right right, and and then I was thinking. I was like, wow,

(09:58):
I'm come here tomorrow and I'm gonna intervie Kenya, and
like I'm watching their dynamic and that poly couple has
some problems, specifically the man. He might be a narcissist.
But I was just I just thought, like I think
their dynamic was interesting because they're not actually they're not
sleeping together. I think there's a lot of misconceptions around polyamory,
and I would love for you to speak to those two,

(10:19):
but I think one of those misconceptions is that everyone's
sleeping with one another. Oh god no. And so specifically
with their dynamic on the show was like one was
like a primary, then the other one was secondary. Then
they were talking about like I have all these words,
I've never heard of anarchy or something relationship anarchy.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I remember that. I remember that.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
But like one of them like lives in Vegas half
the time. She was the original Primary, so she was
originally she's in the circus. She's the original Primary, but
she wanted to go have like go do her career,
and so the secondary has kind of come in and
become primary sort of, but like it wasn't really spoken about.
So then Primary decided to come to New York and

(11:00):
spend more time and her her boyfriend was like not
excited about it when she was like, wait, but I'm Primary.
What the fuck? Like what are you talking about? Like
this is you've asked me to come, and so I
don't know. I was just like this. This is why
I think polyamory in general gets a negative rap because
it feels like there's so many dynamics that have to
be considered, There's so many emotions and have to be considered,

(11:24):
and relationships one on one are hard. Is hard enough
that it's like now we have to consider all these
people's feelings and have a job and be a parent
and like, you know, deal with the world in life.
Like so it's like I'd rather just do one.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's not for the faint of heart.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, No, I mean I know. And when I was
watching them, I was like, this is there. I don't know.
I'm only on I think I fell asleep like after
episode three, but I was like, this ain't gonna work. Hey,
they they might need Kenya because I don't know. Even
the therapist was looking at them like.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
She therapists do not coach Polly. I don't know why
they're trying to do that.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
She was looking at him like you have issues and
these bitches need to leave you.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean there, you know what.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
The one thing I'll say about Couple's Therapy is what
you recognize is that everybody's issue stems from childhood, and
it's so much and that this takes a gentle nudging
to figure out from where. Yes, and most people are
searching for things to compensate it, to fill voids that
they haven't even begun to figure out.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yes, and so it's like you're.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Never going to be in a relationship that's fulfilling because
you're literally trying to avoid yourself and that shit doesn't
work well.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I really, I've not seen couple's therapy, so I don't
want to, you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I don't know their situation.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
But nobody in growing up in the USA, in Western
culture is ready for polyamory. Polyamory is not something you
just decide to do. I don't know why people are
doing that. Is it a fad? I mean, has it
become a fad? Yeah? I made it a fat first.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I mean I brought it fat.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I brought a mainstream and now people think somehow it's easy.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's something that you really have to be prepared for.
So that's what I do. You know, Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
So when you look at like couples like Neo okay,
and his dynamic is not polyamoral. Okay, So I was
gonna ask you, like, what is it? Yeah, what is
the perception of what you've seen so far in their dynamic?
Is that a polyamorous relationship or is that just a
man getting his rocks off with a bunch of different
women and them just getting polyandry. Polyandry means that I'm

(13:23):
gonna be with all of these women and these women
have to be monogamous. To me, that's not polyamory. So polyandry.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I don't even coach polyandry because that's like me coaching slavery.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm not I'm gonna help you get slaves.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean, that would be no. Not, it's not ethical
I think of And I'm not judging neo. I'm just
saying he shouldn't call that polyamory unless the women are
also free. No, I don't think that they're they're not.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I heard him say that they choose to be loyal
monogamous to him, and so they choose to be Yeah,
that's what if.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
They didn't choose that, would he be okay with them? Yeah?
Most of the men that i've just who call themselves Polly.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
When I ask that question, because that's always my first question,
it's always no. And then I go, I can't hear
anything else you say, because nigga, you sound stupid.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Because they don't even know the name of the definition
of what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right, soogyny, So how can I even yeah, how can
we even continue the conversation? When you want people, you
want things that are one sided. You don't want partners,
you want minions and rights, indentured slaves.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, my husband came to me with that at first,
you know, he he thought of polygyny. That was the
first you know, that was the first stop on our polyamory.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, So polyandry, polyamory, and polygyny, Yes, what is polygyny.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Polygyny is when one man wants to have multiple female partners,
but those women cannot have other men.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, but I thought that was that's not polyandry.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
No, Polyandry is when one woman wants multiple male partners
and all those partners are monogamous to her.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh okay, So it's okay, got, I gotta got.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And polyamory is more around that centrifugal force where everyone
is free. That's where I live. I don't know any
women who are polyandrous, except the ones who's lying to
the man and saying that she's monogamous to them and
she has a collection of men but that's not really
polyandry because those men would know about each other. Right.

(15:21):
All of the Pollyes talk about consent, talk about honesty,
talk about, you know, being able to express yourself authentically
in your lining. Hear that if you're actually Polly, you're honest. Okay, Now,
there's a difference between honesty and authenticity.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't believe in honesty so much. We should talk
about that. Yeah, because a lot of people say, well,
you should be honest, honest about what. Usually when people
say you should be honest, they're saying you should tell
me who you slept with. It's not really a thing authentic,
Like I can authentically tell you. If you ask me
where I was last night, I can say authentically, I
don't feel like sharing that with you, I don't feel

(15:58):
safe sharing that with you, or don't feel like you
we know each other well enough for me to owe
you that information. That's an authentic answer. When people say honesty,
tell me where you were last night, Well, at ten o'clock,
I was here.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
At eleven o'clock, I was here. I was with this person.
No one is honest. Well, that's because because that goes
back to that's even when we're talking about the difference
between honesty and transparency, right, it's like right, transparency is
usually when you're forthright, you're forthcoming, You're going to share
without being asked.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
But if you feel interrogated by the questions, you are
not gonna I'm not gonna tell you shit because why
the fucking you in my business?

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Did?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
And then you won't be transparent if you're secretly feeling
terrified that you're gonna see jump down your throat. Right,
But authentically, I could say, hey, I really don't feel
comfortable sharing with you because last time you jumped down
my throat. So I'm gonna hold that information that is authentic.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So I want to know where did this all begin
for you? Like when did you begin? I guess you're
in your journey into polyamory. Was that like, have you
always been kind of just open or was this something
something occur or a relationship dynamic occur where you're like, yeah, nah.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, I mean starting at the beginning, y'all know, all
humans are very open. You have to think back to
the second grade to the fifth grade.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
That was our boyfriend. We like him, like we like him,
So you know, humans are not a monogamous species.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Monogamous species only have sex with one other per lifetime,
and if that mate should die, their sex drive dies
as well. So humans are not a monogamous species. Four
percent of mammals are monogamous. So you know, if you
want to go all the way back where it started,
I'm talking about you, oh me, Well you know this
human it's in front of me. Well, in my marriage,

(17:43):
I've been married for thirty years, so I think a
year four of my marriage, I started having feelings for
other men. One in particular, who was, you know, somebody
in my community circle. My husband and I went to Howard.
We met at Howard and we're both Howard graduates, and
so we were living in DC. I'm in in DC,
and we had beautiful communities. But yeah, I felt myself

(18:04):
attracted to somebody, and I did tell my husband, and
I told my marriage counselors, and they told me to
nix it. They said, this is not acceptable. But how
do you nix having dreams? You know, moist dreams about
a man, and really, you know, how do you stop
the dreams? How do you stop the desire? You don't
and you can't. And nobody told me that before I
got married. I thought when you get married, magically you

(18:27):
have the ring on it and you magically do not
think about other people. But that wasn't true, so that
was mixed, you know, socially, I didn't carry it out then,
like at year eleven, my husband had the same experience
with somebody at his job.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Wait, so how did your husband take it when you
told him at year four?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, my husband and I are very spiritual. We
were also involved in spiritual community, so we already knew that,
you know, you can handle emotion, you can handle people's authenticity.
We had learned that through our spiritual practices, meditation and
yoga and all the function way, and we were deep
into this world. So he wasn't like what No, He

(19:05):
was just like, okay, that's good. What should we do?
He wasn't upset. And when he told me about another
woman at eleven year eleven, I wasn't upset. He hadn't
had sex with her. I hadn't had sex with the guy.
We were just having authentic conversations. So what was our
training in that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I wish more people could do it, though it makes
you friends first. So then after year eleven when this
was revealed. Still know that you guys didn't open up
your relationship then.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, because I said, you know, he said, well, I'm
thinking about prologyny.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I was like, what, like we not Like I'm from Detroit,
Like I'm not from Mississippi somewhere. I'm not from Africa.
I don't know where they do polygyny.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
If I was just telling him, if you would like
to seriously pursue her, I would like to do that
as well, and he would.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Just shut me down.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Never mind. Yeah, I mean he did a full U
turn and for two years after that he dropped that conversation.
I mean we talked about it over those two years,
but it wasn't until I met somebody again and I
called him from the conference I was at, like a
green conference, and I said, babe, like I met this
person who I'm resonating with. And this time he was like,

(20:13):
go ahead and talk to him. Okay, just call me
when you're done. Don't go to his room, just talk
to him and see where it goes. And I did
so he sort of let me go first, and like
he never wanted to say, yes, you can have other men.
He was just like oh it happened.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Okay, Like, so what was that first experience, Like, I
don't know if that was the not necessarily that experience,
but the experience where you actually did take it to
the next steps. I'm curious, Like, well, I try to
take it to the next step with that guy. So
I did come home.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I didn't at the conference, but I came home told
my husband I like him blah blah blah, and he
wants me to come to California and see him and
talk to him and get like stay at his house.
My husband was like, okay, but he I think my
husband knew that if he wanted something, he had to
let me go first. Like, if you're the main one

(21:02):
who wants the thing, it's gonna behoove you to.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Let your partner have the same privilege.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
If not, this is jail, you know, you're just a
warden keeping your partner in the jail. And who wants
to be a married who wants to be married like that.
So he was like, Okay, you can do this. But
I was so scared on that plane ride. Then I
got to California. He was here working at a startup,
and I got to his house and I just froze
like nothing happened. My husband was at home. My husband

(21:28):
doesn't even drink. I called him. My kids answer, where's
that He's in the basement drinking. I'm like, what, he
does not drink. He wouldn't even let me have a
sip of wine at our honeymoon. He does not drink.
He does not eat sugar. We were vegans.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Like, he's everything, he's stressed, all the things he was
stressed if he's drinking. So that's how it started.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And then I came home and we did repair. That's
what couples don't really have in their relationship is repair.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's when you you know, you have your your animal
that gets really upset emotional. Then you have your ego,
which is your story. She's over there, she's probably having sex.
What if he's bigger, what if he's better. That's a story,
it's never true. And then you have your higher self
where you say, Okay, what am I learning, how am
I growing? How did I feel? And what does it mean?

(22:15):
What do I need to do next time? That's your
higher processing. So repair happens in your higher processing.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
So did you guys already have these tools, like how
did you know, to even take to take these steps
with him.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, from our meditation, from me having three home births,
from us being initiated into you know, African traditional culture.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
We had a lot of tools, but what we did
is sort of reshape what we needed for.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Our relationship because you know, you're gonna what we found
at your thirty here is you're always gonna have jealousy.
You're always gonna have insecurity. You're always gonna be angry
if some shit happened that you don't like. You don't
mother fucking like it. Your animal is not going anywhere.
Your ego is not going anywhere. So the tools we've
developed help us have the conversation even and like I
can let my animal blast my husband, my husband's animal

(23:03):
can blast me inside of a container that we set
for that purpose.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know, I was, I was just looking at your
page last night, and there is a real that I
really appreciated that I never heard like it was it
made much sense, but I'd never heard it like put
this way. And basically you were saying like, yeah, like
a lot of people are so busy suppressing the jealousy,
suppressing the enemy, suppressing the ugly parts about themselves that

(23:29):
they never let them out. And what you actually have
to do is like let them out, pet them, love them,
let them speak, let them roar, and like be become
one with each of those things. So there's jealousy that
we all have, there's insecurity that we all have. There's
this you know, this animalistic like raging person. There's all
these parts of us, like the shadow side essentially, but
we don't give it space and air to speak its mind.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Or to let like to release it.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Instead, we're so busy being like ashamed of those parts
of us. We shut them down immediately before they even
see the light. And then there's no there's no integration
of those parts of us.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And I was like that makes sense, you know, but
it has to be done as a safe container, because
some men hear that and some people speak about that online,
but they don't show you how to set up the container.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
They don't show you.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
How to soothe that animal, because you can't just let
the animal out, and then you don't know how to
soothe it. You the person is not soothe the ball.
A lot of people get in their animal and they
don't want to feel better, you know what I say.
They just want to rage, and that's cool, but we
need to know that inside of the container.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
We need to understand that first, like how long am.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
We gonna let the animal room?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right? Baby?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Put that bitch yet, it's time for dinner, okay?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And it's a it's a it's an art to be suitable.
I have a question for you. So after this and
after this happened, and because I think a lot of
people listening probably heard like he was drinking, that means
like why, well, that means it's not good, like you know,
like that means like why are you fucking why are
you stressing your husband out? Like clearly he didn't want

(24:59):
this shit, Like it's abviously obviously you're you know you are.
You have shown obviously you've moved past that point. And
you guys created this container and communicated. And I know
that you guys are parents as well. How many children
do you have? Three? Three? Is this three with him? Specifically? Yes,
I've been married thirty years to him. How I guess
as you ventured into polyamory, how have you introduced or

(25:23):
talked to your children about that? And how old were
they when they became aware?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Sure, my kids, we've been telling them this since I
don't even remember, since they could talk, we told them that, look,
you create your life. You can have, do or become
whatever you want. We tell our children metaphysical truth, like
we don't raise our kids with the same sheltering of like, no,
you have to do it this way, because we want

(25:48):
our kids to have critical thinking skills.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So we said, mom and dad, this is how we
do it.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Now we're gonna tell y'all how to do stuff, how
to wash the dishes, how to do y'all homework. But
if you feel like you have a better way, tell
us think for yourself, Mom and dad, We think for ourselves.
Nobody's gonna tell us how to live because we are
adults of sound mind and creative as fuck and beautiful
and wise, and you know, we create this system for ourselves.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh that's my kid. Nobody does that at school.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
But they're all divorced. All their friends' parents were divorced,
you know, and we could have ended up divorced too.
Because it gets.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
That way at year ten, and nobody prepares you for it.
It gets that way year fifteen. Nobody prepares you.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Nobody prepares you for the romance to start to wane
for you not even to want to hang out with
this dude, like my mom never told me that.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And you're like, damn, I got all the way to
the decade mark for this shit to go, like to
be to dry out.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And it's disheartening and you want to strangle someone because
you've put so much y'all know, you put your effort
as a woman into this. Then you get to a
point where he don't even want to sleep it. I
remember my husband said, I want a separate bedroom. We
should have separate bedrooms. What I have invested in my
entire youth, my entire Like, you don't want to have

(27:08):
sex with me except for once a week now it
was three days, it was every day, Like what is this?
Nobody tells you it is chemical cocktail in your brain.
The bonding phase is when you're in love. I didn't
even feel like I was in love at year fifteen,
and I was not, And no one prepared me to
switch from being in love to having unconditional love with

(27:29):
my husband.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
But that's where we are now.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Would you say you're in love?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Hell? No with my husband? Yeah no?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Are you in love with any of your husbands? I
was in love with my younger husband, Tiger that has Wayne.
We're at year ten. See, we need to be prepared.
I was not even prepared for that. I thought, like, oh.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So you think so this is a fact that for
you think every couple that eventually they get into a
space where they're no longer in love. And it's if
you are able to move through that you get to
the unconditional part. But the in love kind of dies
it it does not or expands it. It expands into something.
Thank you, you see that difference. It expands into something greater.

(28:10):
In love is a chemical cocktail. Why y'all ask me this.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You've been in love, you know that you're in love,
and then you go you're here, and then it's like,
you know, that feeling is not the same from the
first time, just like a crack here. You know you
can't and you know and we all know this is
a fact of life. Even your favorite food. Let's say
your favorite food is macaroni and cheese. If you eat
it every day for a month, is it the same

(28:35):
as when you just really crave mac and cheese because
you haven't had it in a while. No, it's different.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Do you find that some in some some ways. Some
days you're like again, like that chemical cocktail is present
for your husbands or one of the you know, like
some day do you feel like you go in and
out of love or you feel like that.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well this is where marriage counselors come in and say, well,
where's some different draws and go to a hotel, go
to Costa Rica, you know, go do the because it
will stimulate you in a different way. But the first
time cocktail chemical cocktail, because that cocktail is meant to
bond you, and so it's gonna be strong. It's come
as pumping, you know, but once you're bonded, it's not

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going to be at that same level.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Doesn't need to be. I don't know why. As we
got to ask the universe.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh I know why, let me stop lying, because humans cannot.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Exist without what love? What kept humans alive? Waterword, water
and shelter?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You said it community, tribe, you can You could not
exist today if it was just you two on the planet.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
You don't have enough resources to go.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Get to this and the food and to go get
the water. Humans need community to survive. So if we
stayed at that in love with one person and tried
to run off in the sunset like gibbons. Gibbons are
real monogamous species. They live in a tree away from
everybody else. Humans have to have community to survive, so
that has to die down, so we go community.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
You have to go bond with other people in order
to survive, and so your chemicals in your brain are saying, Okay,
you've established this love of this person. Now these chemicals
are going on off because you need to continue to
create bonds with people.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And it happened faster for men, and I think, no shit,
Women keep it in place because we got more of
the subconscious like memories, and we've been instill with more romance.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's true we.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Socialize a different way, like yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
So we hold no.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Baby dewey, Baby dewey, bitches love to hold on.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It was hard with my husband when we transitioned into
unconditional love because I just couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I could not believe this was happening. Was it a positive?
Couldn't believe it or like a no? It was hardest sadness. Baby.
I was not prepared for this. I did this on
my own. It was no polyamory groups, right.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
The first African American poly family to come out and
say this out loud.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
You understand. We were alone.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
We started the first poly groups and it was just
it was terrifying. I didn't know if this was gonna work.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You're like, I hope right. I was just like, this
is hard.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
But along the way we built every tool into it
that we needed, and now we just wrote twelve books
about it and we helped thousands of couples with it.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Twelve books. Wow, we've read a.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Lot of us now.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I think for the people listening to who are maybe
interested in polyamory, or even just maybe listening and just
being like, what the fuck? How like for you on
this journey of being in love and then transitioning into
unconditional love and then like meeting other men and then
being in love, has ever read a point where you
have felt like, especially in polyamory, because you have these

(31:51):
different points of references right where you're like, oh damn, like,
oh yeah, I like this feeling. I remember this feeling.
Maybe I'm not maybe this isn't working anymore, Maybe like
I need to move on from this relationship because now
I have this feeling I mean love again, and maybe
I don't love you anymore? Maybe it's time for us
to depart. Like we've we've, we've we've done the thing,
you know, like, how do you how have you been

(32:13):
able to traverse that space? Because I think that's a
natural a feeling, right, especially when you're getting that that
that about that boost of oxytocin and and all of that,
and that adrenaline that that new love gives you. Yes,
it's pumping. It's like a cocktail. I felt that way.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
But I loved the feeling of unconditional love with my
husband once I saw that.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
My husband.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
See, this was my issue, and this is why I
didn't have sex the first time I came to California
with that because I didn't know if he would respect
me afterwards.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Your husband, Yes, most of them, Like I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Oh, I'll take a puff if we if we taken
a time.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Off, let me you know, let me take a puff.
Matter fact, we about to go deeper.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
A cocktail.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
We have cock tales of joints. Here me and Mila.
This is a real smoker's ash tray. We have about
four different different blunts that have a unsmoking Which one
would you like? Close your eyes and pick one.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, I saw y'all smoking on the show. I brought
my face. You don't have nothing good like that. But
what were you saying? I was saying that I didn't
know what unconditional love felt.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like, and you were worried that he was going to
judge you.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I was you would judge me, and that he would
fall out of love because at that time, you know,
we were just coming from being in love. What's next.
I've never heard of unconditional love. I've never heard of
unconditional love. I don't know if my I just didn't
know what it was.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, I think, especially in this society, people really tell
you that unconditional love really only exists between children and
like their parents that like it's it's always going to
be somewhat conditional.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Or women to men.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Men rarely you really find men they're willing to be
have unconditioned love for women.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Women will forgive men time and time and time.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
After they cheat, after they are disloyal, after they're dishonest.
But if a woman does the same shit, fuck her, right,
she's a whore.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Right, there's no recovery.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
There's no recovery.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
That's what it was giving us, a recovery for women, right,
that sticks in us, even if you know your husband
or you assume I'm disposable.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I guess I had watched enough TV, or heard that
from enough men, or just felt that so much from society.
I was just like, I can't do it. So once
I did. Do you know?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Once?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I did get with men after that experience, clearly? But man,
my husband's still loving me and still being willing to
be with me like that, and still being willing to
be in my house and work and pay.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I never worked. I've never worked.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You know what I'm saying. I'm not losing that.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right. Take me back home, right, give me back home
to my husband.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I have a comfortable home, beautiful life, three children, you
know so. But yeah, but once I, once I felt
unconditional love, it feels just as good as being in love.
It starts. It's not the same chemical cocktail.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
It's just a deep level of.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Safety and comfort and the freedom to know you can
be yourself is better. Like to me, it's better than
being in love.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
In love, you got questions still in love? Is it
gonna last? In love?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Is it gonna?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Being unconditional love, I know that he would never leave me,
and I would never leave him.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We wouldn't have we wouldn't have a reason to, right right.
I know that you do a lot of coaching for
people that are, you know, in this interested or navigating
polyamory of wanting to open up their marriages. What would
you say, are like three three ways to know that
you're ready for this? Because I think a lot of
people are like, yeah, we could do it, like let's

(35:50):
do it, and then they get in there and then
it's like, oh, way as a disaster zone because they
haven't really fully considered what this actually entails.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Are there any like, yeah, they're not ready. We have
a four step path to open love. Step one is
authentic communication. If you're not able to sit and fall
apart in front of your partner and your partner holds
space for you, you're not ready. If you have to keep
half of your brain to yourself because you're worried about
being judged, you're not ready. If you need to sneak

(36:18):
around like people say they're Polly and they still cheating,
how you polly? Polyamory is a spirituality. It's a spiritual
practice of becoming authentic, becoming full of yourself, and embracing
yourself so learning about that people that.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, I got step one.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'm already authentic because I say what I said on
my mind.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's not a gentlemen, are you hearing this? I authentically said,
fucking giving sign me up, Polly right.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's not authenticity. That is your ability to be radically honest.
But honesty is not really needed in polyamory. Authenticity is needed.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
What's number two on this path? Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Number two on this path it gets a little bit deeper.
I don't know if I can really go into each
of the steps. Because do you feel like you've ever
had a relationship where you were fully authentic or where
the person was fully authentic with you? Right now?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Now you do? Yeah, okay, how does it feel safe?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes, it feels empowering, supportive, free.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
But two has to do with having friendships of the
opposite sex, can you Because some marriages you can't even
have a friend.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Oh, I mean that's I mean, that's all we hear.
I mean, that's that's what I not in our friend group.
But what I see on the internet a lot is
just like he can't have no friends, she can't have
no homeboys. Like, yeah, you what you need a homeboyfriend
and I remember and I've had that experience too, like
even in my in my past relationships where actually just
my past relationship where my partner really was like didn't

(37:56):
understand why I needed male friends. And if he hadn't
heard of this name in the last six months, that
niggain's your friend. I never heard you talking about this nigga.
Who is this nigga? Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And I'm like, no, it's nigga Allan on you a year.
It's isolated, it's.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Isolay, but it's also men saying I know men and
no man wants to be your friend. They want to
fuck you. Yeah, I've heard that men don't really want
to be your friend, they want to fuck you. And
I know because I'm a man.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Well, even if that's true, you're not. He doesn't trust
that you're not going to right right. And now that
goes back to authentic communication because he's not authentically sharing that.
He's afraid about that and that would hurt him very deeply.
And this is authenticity comes with vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
If you're if you.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And your partner aren't really vulnerable with each other yet,
you're just not ready for Polly because Polly is gonna
break you down. It broke me all the way down
to finding the core roots of my insecurity. Like in
my family growing up, for instance, I was the smart one.
My sister was the pretty one. My sister's a pageant girl, honey,

(39:02):
she five foot eleven, gorgeous. I was like, you know,
five foot four, lets, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
And I didn't have.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
No friends like she had the in crowd everything. So
every time my husband got a woman, I was my
inner girl was surveying who's more beautiful here? Because if
she was, then I felt like I was gonna get
to ill treatment because my uncles will be over my sister,
she's so pretty and blah blah blah, and so my
little girl would be right there in the room m hm,

(39:35):
who is.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
On the top room here in terms of looks?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
And you have to start to heal that and start
to know those connections in order to be Polly.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
This is not a game. And the men have to
do it too, and they don't hardly do it with monogaphy.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
And once you realize that, once you rooted it back
to that feeling and then what it's like, then how
what is it required to then feed that little girl
to heal a little girl like that is something like
the whole other set of you know tools.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
That well, that's lacing, that's e ft, that's forgiveness work.
There's hundreds of modalities to do it. I do ceremonial work.
This is what I do with my clients because they
come to me and say, we want to be Polly,
and I'm like, okay, sit on down, we about to
do twelve months because you're gonna have to find these
roots first. You're gonna have to be able to discuss

(40:27):
this with your partner first, where if something comes up
you say, oh my god, this is reminding me I'm
in my little girl. I need help.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I need help is something a man has to say
in Polly, who's ready? M I mean, I would imagine
so many people fall off. They're like, fuck this shit.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Never mind, bitch sucking, never mind.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
He's got me talking about I need help.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I didn't ask for that. I needed help.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I was getting pussy.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's why cheating is easier. And it's sixty six percent
of those married today are just doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
You know, Polly is a spiritual path. I never heard it.
Doug talked about that way. That's an interesting, I guess
way to experience it or see it. And it makes
sense obviously too. You know that, like just being able
to a be yourself number one is a spiritual act,
and then just knowing that sexual energy is the most

(41:20):
powerful energy in the world. So then weaving those things together,
I mean, and I'm sure there's even more things that
we've into Polly that it does. It creates this this
spiritual energy that when you are able to share with
one person, I'm sure that you've had moments of extreme
like feelings of ecstasy and euphoria in your life because
you're able to be yourself. Oh my god, said yourself.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Every year I got younger when we were probably I
was getting older. I was getting older than you know,
I stopped being able to fuck who I want to fuck.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Then I was.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Like my body myself and you love me, You're here,
Like this was beyond And that's why I'm such an
advocate of it. A lot of women used to tell me, Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
You're just doing that because your husband wants to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
No, baby, Like, okay, I'm doing I'm freak just because
my husband wants me to be freaking. No, I'm a human.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I like freedom and again, and these are This is
another misconception of polyamory. I think there's because there's so
much shame around just just sex in general, like the
the idea of a woman like actually be seeking seeking
pleasure in her own way and enjoying it and saying
I like that dick, and I also like that dick,
and I want to know what that dick's like. Like,
we're not supposed to ever say those things. No, everyone never,

(42:39):
They only want one dick forever.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
What are you imagine the man? Imagine the man.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And that the man is like, im no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
The judgment that the man receives.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
But if you're like, if you're the wife that's like,
oh yeah, my man allows this. The type of man
you have to be to stand in that and you're like, yeah,
because I respect my woman and she's coming back to
me and X Y and Z. It requires a whole
other level of things because you have to be mad
enough to not be like tam everybody thinks I have
a woman's a whore.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Right, and I'm spoiled in that way because my husband's
a Gemini. So geminis and typically are not super possessive anyway.
So they do have OCD though. So he does like
everything in the house to be you know, like everything
to look good and feel good and like we're upstanding.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You can't look at me and say, oh, look at that.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
No, look at this paid ass bitch who got three
companies who run businesses in Africa in the US, and
all my husband's wives and all my husbands work for me.
So you're not looking at what you're typically looking at
when you think of a sex pot, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So that's been a benefit for me.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
The other thing I will tell y'all is my ancestors
told me again back to the spiritual path of Polly
once I started to meet people, because you asked, well,
what do you do if you're in love with this
one and you're not in love with your husband? She
told me, Honey, women used to understand this system, and
I call this system the feminine choice Paard. So she said,

(44:02):
one of your chakras are going to be spinning when
you meet any man. When you meet a man that
you want to have sex with, instantly your root chakra spinning.
You can feel it, you can feel the engorgement. You
can also know that if he asked me to go
home tonight.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I'm going home. I will ride his dick tonight.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Like you know that, you know, yeah. But also when
you meet a man who is spinning your.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Crown chakra, you know it. He's a guru, like.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I want to learn from him, like I want to
know more.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I've known him in a past life.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Like we just talk and I orgasm.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But you know which chakra is spinning.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
She told me this, Your hard chakra be spinding with
the ones use friend zone because they're emotionally responsible and
they are accountable and they will be there if you're hurting.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
That's a heart chakra.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I call it support choice, so womb choice, support choice,
crown choice and all. There's nine choices. And this is
another art that women need to remember, because once I did,
I stopped trying to get all of them from one person, okay,
because they not all spinning with one man.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I mean, it's so interesting because like as a as
a as a woman, you know, there's certain things that
we know, and there's certain like even there's there was
I'm a sexual woman.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
There came a.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Point in my life and I realize, like, bitch, just
because something's going off in you doesn't mean you need
to fuck it.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yes, literally, because I would just be like huh m
hmm something about that.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I like, you know, like there's like a conqueror, Like
we are the hunters in ways, and so at a
certain age, I'm like, bitch, no, you need to sit down.
Like everybody's not everyone you're attracted you. Every flower doesn't
need to be picked.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
We know we're the hunters because we're the ones making
the choice. Yes, and those men will serve any of us. Yeah,
let me tell you what. Ask them.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
They will serve any of us, But it's not us
who will serve any of them.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
We have to be spending somewhere. And yes it's not
always about sex.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
But there is also a level of unlockment. Like I
I like Orlando is such a free man and it
really allows me to be myself that it's so safe.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
It makes me so.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Like even more dedicated and loyal.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
To him because even like I told you that that
morning after we did that, he gave me my fantasy fulfilledment,
I literally woke.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Up and I was like, I love him.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I was like, this is why I tell you not
to do this.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Like I feel like something shifted to me spiritually, Like
even in the middle of the thing, I was like
telling both of the men, I'm like, this is healing
something for me.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm like, I'm really grateful. I love you both.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Thank you for this, because I don't feel I don't
feel disposable for being free in my sexual and that's
my high if you think about women, like we birth
so like that's our highest creativity. I feel like something
literally was unlocked, and I I think somewhere during it,
I was like, oh my god, this is why they
tell women not.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
To do this.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Like I literally couldn't wait to fucking tell anybody. I
call people the next day and some people were like, what,
like are they to do?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
What? Bitch?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Did you hear what I said? I found that the
more I got to experience what I chose, not what
somebody choose. And when you get married, your husband could
choose I want to have sex, and now you may
not feel like it, you're a bad wife. But I
never I stopped having obligatory sex with Paul Amory, Like,
never do I have to have sex if I don't

(47:07):
want to?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Why is that a revolutionary concert?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Like we had we were doing that before, but anyway,
once I found out about my own choice, it fed
me in a way that it's just made me so creative.
It made me successful, It filled my bank account, it
made me be able to travel the world. It made
me start.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
You start attracting that energy that I can have whatever
I want. So yeah, it just it just continues again.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
It less than my menopause. So wow, I got it
at forty four, Like I'm done.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I was like, yes, like it was.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It's just put me on a different trajectory. Has that
changed your sex drive a lot? It amps it up,
but everybody's amped up by thirty nine. Every woman sex
drive goes up before menopause because it's like the body saying, Okay,
come on, let's get this, get this. We about to
be done. So you amp up anyway, But yeah, mine
amped up and stayed up. I don't understand any thing
women are talking about with the men of palace hormone.

(48:02):
I'm like, what are they?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'm like, are they having sex? No? No, they're not,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Well, if I couldn't choose who to have sex with,
I probably wouldn't be having sex either. True.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
So with okay, you said earlier, you have four husbands
and boyfriends. They're just boyfriends have boyfriends. I can't count them.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Is there a hierarchy, No, I don't believe in hierarchy.
They're all I don't have, like a primary. So your
thirty year husband and KRL's not your primary. No, he
just got married to somebody else and went and lived
with her for two years.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Oh he did, yeah, but he was back and forth.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I don't want to claim somebody as a primary because
it becomes obligatory. It's not that I don't believe in hierarchy.
I don't believe in obligatory anything.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Are there are your husbands or even the boyfriends that
you have, do they Are they already kind of I
guess in the world of polyamory, or are you kind
of like bringing them into this world and then they're
learning through you.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I would love to meet men who are already into
baby But our charge as women, as we have to
educate because our men, we have to understand.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I hear the influencers saying.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Men did this and decenter men blah blah. I'm like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Have you looked at what we've been through for the
past four hundred years?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
And then women were the only ones Black women were
thrusting through education, so we have an advantage, like in
terms of education, I love educating men about this and
I have to None of them that I've ever met
knew anything about this world came ready like're like ready made. Yeah,
men don't even come ready made for basic monogamous marriage.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
They really they're not. Yeah, none of us really are
women either that way. Yeah, it's not so.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I wish we could have a little bit more empathy
and compassion for men and for everyone and for ourselves.
Are I mean, are all your kids, Polly.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I know your daughter is because I watched her uncoupled
the trouble and Thumple and that was that was I
was really locked into that season. But I'm doing about
the boo because I'm thinking as a mom of a daughter,
and you know, I'm a pretty free woman, and I
so I see how my daughter is empowered by that.
But to experience the dynamics of a relationship like you

(50:12):
and your husband, like I guess we talked about in
love like this is like a lot of you know you,
a lot of you getting to this place stem from
seeing the like how fucked up your family became because
of infidelity. Like lots of families are just fucked infidelity
and they don't recognize it's a poison. And so you're like,
let me talk to if you talk about generational wealth

(50:32):
and building and changing generational cycles, you.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Have to you have to kill the thing that doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
And like I'm wondering from a you know, from am
I understand from a woman?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I saw her on the show and she's very little
baby yeah, oh yeah yeah. For the for the boys too,
how have like? How have them? How them?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Am high?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
My youngest son is engaged. No, my oldest son is engaged,
and he's like works it.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
He lives in Detroit, Michigan. The girl because she's just
like me.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
You know, you want your son to be with somebody
who got She's like witchy and like sort of same
skin complexion.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I just love her. I'm like your son.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
He's twenty six, okay. Then my middle daughter you know her,
she's a poll love coach. So I knew the poly fairy.
Then my youngest son is twenty one and he is fine.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
He's polly.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
He still lives with me, and my friend came over
and wanted to date him.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
She's like thirty five.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I said, go here, honey. He needs lessons, baby, But
he has multiple partners. I don't know if he would
call himself polyamorous because he calls all of his partners casually.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
He's like sony one. He's a kid.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, he's all one.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I'm fine, I'm single. Mind.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I'm gonna give you all the picture so you can
show it like.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
He's he's not.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Listen, the moms will come. Mmm.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Great, And we need more boys to see man, you know,
just accepting women in there, in there.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
That's why I'm so proud of my husband. He has
been through the ring or with men, all the things.
I mean, I have to just millions of nasty comments
over the past twenty.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Years as we have birth this into reality.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You understand this is a reality now that women are
not playing a game men. No, they'll cheap back. Oh
they got a gaggle, Oh they date multiples. Yes we
are because guess what a warrior stood up.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And I will do it again.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
If I had to rewind those twenty years, I would
do it again to see where we are now. Like
this is beautiful. But my husband, he's just a trooper.
He's a trooper. He's my best friend. You've probably never
felt like this person will never leave my side.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
There's nothing I can do. Does he have community himself? Like,
does he have a I don't know, like a group
of men that are also poly Because you guys have
built such a beautiful community. I'm just curious if like
he need like does he need that support? Like who
does he lean on besides you in those times and
have it like a like a homeboy or how does
that work? No, we all need community.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
He has boys, we have big community groups, we do events,
we have we've run communities for the past fifteen years.
So we you know, we cannot exist without community. His
women's support.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I say this, I mean it definitely requires you to
be able to be held, not to not.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Be one of them guys to say nobody can know
my business. People have to know your business. We want
to know you, right right. That's what community is. We
know one another right right. So it's it's it's it's
it's a leap. Are him and Tiger friends good friends?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Oh? My god?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yes, me and Tiger wouldn't be together without my husband.
Tiger is Tiger, my younger husband, Okay, Tiger was a
womb choice being a problem.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Womb choice is tumultuous.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So when you get with a womb choice, you know,
because you're crazy, all of a sudden you bluop to
say yesterday you had some some about yourself today And see,
I wish women didn't feel shame if they just understand.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
That's what they call digmatized. Yeah, it's a healthy version
of digmatizing. This is when you're rebranding digmatizing bitches.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
You've we're heeled a little bit, so now you've done
the work, it will go from digmatized too.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Choice digmatized is when you're like that and you aren't
aware and conscious of it. Womb choices when you know
it's bring and bring up your daddy issues. Womb choice
bring up your daddy is.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I don't know. I feel like it could be both, bitch,
because I've done the woman and they've both been digmatized.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Which one you you only choose womb choices.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I knew that I was walking with a nigga that
was fucking me good, but it was also bringing up
like trauma and triggers, and I kept doing it because
it felt good in him, in me it brought up
your deaf issues. Yeah, that's what warm choice.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Is supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
No, that wasn't It was stigmatized.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Healthy choice, Yes, a healthy choice.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
That brought them the trigger. Technically, when this happened, I
had done a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I was actively choosing to be taking It was a test.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
But did you know right right?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
And your wound was giving you healing. It's still healing
even if it is digmatized. I hear men say, well,
she made the wrong choice. She choosing the wrong men. Baby,
every experience is here to grow us. Goot mom's bad choices.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
You have to make the You have to make the
bad choices to go into the better to to pulch
you into the better place.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Right, the lesson is where the lesson is, where the
juice is. But when you are aware, I just met
me a warm choice and not one. But I'm very aware,
So I know that he's going to bring out my
daddy issues is going to come up. So I'm taking
this slow. You understand there was a time I couldn't
take it slow.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Like why did he call me?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
We met last night of the club, Like I'm hurry up,
Like I like this guy, you know, but then you
start to measure and temper yourself when you understand it,
when you're doing it all the time.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
There's ever a point where Carl's like, I don't want
to hear about one more boyfriend you met this week,
you caause your boyfriends.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
We need about one month and no boyfriends.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Well, he's like that with Tiger.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
He really has to have He stopped fights, you know,
he stopped Melei.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
He's he's really coached Tiger and coached us when we
need help. He sit us down, just like between you guys,
between Tiger and me, and he's coaching y'all.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yes, oh wow, can you imagine your husband listen, let
me tell you and not be biased because it's your husband.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Like but but I get his I get his ladies
calling me all the damn time too. I get his
ladies calling me too. Carol, did this He's not calling me.
Your husband's not talking to me, what you know talking.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
See, I'm gonna just be honest with your candy right
nowt This does not sound appealing to me. This is
talking me off. The CALLI lags because I don't have
time for I married time for my friends to call
me with their problem. I'd be like, you call me
about my nigga? Why I don't got to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
We're like, we're on good terms right now. Girl, girl
called me and say your husband won't pick up the phone.
I've called him one hundred and twenty five times. Can
you get Can you imagine? I know he's right next
to you.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
That's what she said, Baby, we gotta change our number now.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
But this is what I'm saying. I'm glad is talk
you off the ledge of Polly because nobody's ready. You
have to understand that your animal will come up.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
All of our.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Traumas come up through that they already come up in
monogamy as you know.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah, because I felt like maybe I could do Polly
because I'm a voyeur. And I'm also not that that
this is this These are the misconceptions that I'm saying,
Like me thinking like these my kink's equal Polly.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
You know, just now to play parties, right, just need
a play parties puddles.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
And also I do I I yeah, no, No.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
These are serious, long term, lifelong relationships that you're cultivating.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I feel like maybe in another lifetime might be ready.
I'm here to deal with other shit I don't have.
I don't know if I have the It's not that
I feel like I can also face those demons or
those things without being polly necessarily, of course, I think
that in this iteration of my life. I mean, I'll
have a lot of fun and I'll do all the things,

(58:21):
but I just think that I have to put energy elsewhere,
and like, not that my relationships don't deserve energy, because
they do, but I admire, like the the ability to
really have the capacity to dive into the most important
relationships in your life. It is it's really it's beautiful

(58:41):
that you guys are able to navigate in that way,
and that Carl can call Tiger and say, let me
tell you about King and let me let me just
put you on a little bit. Let don't do that
no more, okay, and then you vice versa. Yes, because
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
A lot of community, yeah, and so a lot of
people want community. Like even people think of building houses
or getting apartment they don't do it because they're afraid
of those ego battles. But we just set up a
container when our ego come up. We know how to
do with ego.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Would there ever be a time where you all would
co hap it together, like when you would love to
I would love to have like what I'm going to
do and what I am doing. I'm building one in Bali,
one in.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Somewhere else Africa, Nairobi, and one in the States. I
am going to build communities. I'm excited about it. But
everybody has to have the trainings. It's no just come
on in in this part. That's how it shit starts
pops off. Yeah, I've already started the trainings. It's all
available on my app Meta More Meeta Moore. You go
and you start getting the training step by step, not

(59:37):
for poll but for emotional intelligence.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Emotional intelligence I mean because it's going to come up
and like any personal deep when you want close relationships,
when you want shribe and you want in community and
any family dynamic, there are going to be the issues
because that's what's supposed to happen, and the triggers are
supposed to come up in order for you to grow.
And if you continue to isolate and shy away from
those and there's never a set like really any growth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Well if you if you isolate and stay away from them,
they just get bigger because the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Like she is it, this was her opportunity to do
face this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And then you're like no, no, no, and then what's
what is stagnant dies? So you know, if you're growing
and moving and shifting, that means you are facing those challenges,
you're facing directly head on into them. You calling them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I call the challenges like come on, Oh that's the
come on, I'm ready, what's up? Like sounds like it's
time for a challenge. So this is so nice. I'm
so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So many people are talking about this now. It feels
really good, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
For I think for a long time, like early on
me and Erica's podcast journey, we're like, we're gonna be open,
We're gonna be Polly Polly's for us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
We've made upper relationships.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Because we were very much But I think there's a
part of me that is like this is that's the
that's the more honest way. I'm like, that is the
most transparent, honest way, because essentially, like no one's ever
gonna not want to ever fuck anybody else, Like I
don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I'm like, I know there's gonna be prettier bitches, thicker,
bitches funnier.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
But there's always gonna I don't know about funnier, but
there's always gonna be other bitches. And that's just like
we're gonna see people I like, you know, all the time,
it'd be sexy men or whatever the fuck. And so
to like to live a relationship that's not honest to
the very the thing that's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Inevitable is authentic. Yeah, authentic. It's silly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah, No, I mean, and I agree. I think that
maybe I'm baby Polly. I'm not like like I'm like
miniature Polly, because like I do think I know that
I of course, like my attraction to niggas is never
gonna die. It hasn't died. I love right now? Oh good?
You know. And which choice to see? Support choice, Crown choice,
womb choice, Oh can there be more than one?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Definitely support, oh beautiful, definitely listens to you, definitely woomb
oh wow, all of them, Crown too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I just say those three, Well, I will tell you
the other ones. We'll talk of the other ones. Right, Well,
there's money choice, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I think, like I'm trying to think, like what was
the first feeling I felt being it was definitely support
like I felt safe in his presence, but I was
definitely very sexually attracted to him, like the first time
I ever saw him. Okay, but I think, like even
even in my relationship right now, in my dynamic of course,
like I'm sure just like I've been attracted to men,

(01:02:32):
I'm sure he has two. I've always known that, like
I'm going to we're gonna have to play together at
some point. And I guess I've even considered what it
would be like if if like I needed my something
else in me met, like it needed another need met,
because it's impossible for you to have every single need men,
especially as you're evolving as a human.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
How long have you all been together? Ye oh good?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And so I'm like, okay, maybe I could be like
baby Pauline, like go do your thing. I'll do my thing.
But I don't know if I could have four husbands
and boyfriends. No, this is advanced lovel this is twenty
years advance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Nobody looks at me and thinks, oh, let me just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Go do that, And also may not be everybody's desire,
like four boyfriends sounds like a headache.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I want you to be a little service. I
don't want you to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
To most people it would be, but I'm not with them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'll make my schedule to see them like once a
month the month. Yeah, cancer, I knew it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
With cancer. Bah. What's your birthday?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
July twenty first, So Leo Moon, you're the craziest cancer
Leo Moon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I like the attention.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Attention. I think fresh attention. As I say it on
my show, fresh attention is what we deny that we want.
That's that Leo. That's that Leo.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah, I'm a Leo Rising and I'm June twenty second,
so I'm the cusp on the other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That's the crazy. Why would you try to switch it
in reverse? Baby, I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I've said it like seven times in the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Everybody knows that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Like, oh le cancer, Cassy crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, it's Stacy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
So I think that what you're talking about, you know,
when you see me, this is after years and years
and years of getting off the horse, falling, falling, falling,
having issues, concerns, dealing with it, using tools, writing books,
helping others.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
This is not how you start. It's not for the
faint of heart. I like Baby. I think I'm Baby
Polly because as I'm listening to you because I'm listening
to and I'm like, oh, getting overwhelmed. I'm like, I
don't know. And then I'm like, wait, okay, Erica, come back,
where are you? What do you want? What do you like?
Would you like, can you kid? You fuck one person
for your whole Like no, I'm not, no, absolutely no,
I know that for a fact. That's all I've I've

(01:04:38):
always known that period. It's not whether I'm in this
relationship where I feel totally safe or not. Like that's
just a fact. And I know that to be true
for men, of course, So that's all I Even when
we started our show, I was like, I think I
could be Polly or I could have an open relationship
because I think that I wished that men would be
more just honest about what they need because actually I

(01:04:58):
have needs too that I would.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Guess they're not honest, because if they're honest, then Airby
can be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I know that's true. So that's what it was. And
then and then I experienced that I was with someone
who we were an open relationship, and then I found
out he was fucking around with a girl, and I
was like, oh shit, Like we were We hadn't really
talked about it much. We knew we were doing it,
but we had it. He had been like, authentically, I'm
going to tell you that I actually slept with someone
last week. I ended up finding out and he told me,
and I felt a way and I processed it. I

(01:05:25):
felt jealousy at first, I felt weird, and then I said,
why the fuck am I not doing this? So then
I went and did my thing and then brought it
to him. Had you all discussed it? Well, we discussed it.
We were open, but we had already dicussed, were open.
Then this thing happened, which, again, like I said, we
weren't sharing what we were doing. I wasn't doing anything.

(01:05:46):
I was in la la land, like, oh my gosh,
there's no terms, So what did he do? How do
you read? So anyway, when I when he told me,
like I said, I had to process it. But then
I moved through it and I said, you know what, yeah,
like we're not We're not We're not monogamous, So what
am I doing? Why am I acting monogamous towards you?
I still felt myself falling into what I would normally do,
which is interesting too because I've talked about this on

(01:06:07):
the show, Like when I was younger, I was such
a cheater, Like I really I was that girl that
I was like, I like that, I want to try that.
I have a boyfriend but like I love him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
But like I used the term cheater, you were very
creative and you were ver lying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I was lying. I was a liar, cheating who you
weren't married.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I was creative, I was mary.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I wasn't married. But I was hurting people. I was
hurting people, you know, So whatever, it's fine. I just
don't want to hear you think like that was bad.
Oh no, no, no, I don't think it's bad. I
have the tools want no, no, no, no, I am
I honor my journey. If I felt bad, I wouldn't
share it. I think that it's part of why I
think i've what I realized is my my my instinct

(01:06:50):
or my inclination or desires and wanting to explore them
early on, very very normal things. Still it comes with
the girl, but those things still exist in me. So
like that cheater or whatever you want to call her,
that the girl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Let's call her Nicole, let's call her a lover.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Well, I'm just saying like that cheater or whatever her name,
let's call her a girl who just had a lot
of desire at a young age. I was thinking about
sex very young, like probably when I was like eleven
or twelve, I started thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Oh, I was coming before then, Yeah, So like why
don't you how to have orgasms?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
From a very young age?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Maybe six or seven?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean like I whatever I had kissed,
I had been promiscuous young, and so I hadn't had
sex yet, so I was thinking about it. Yeah for
I guess for someone people would say, we're young. But anyway,
what I'm saying is that in that relationship dynamic that
I was in, I that desire still existed. I had
just shut it down because I had come out of
a monogamous relationship and I was just so in love

(01:07:47):
with this person and thought, well, this is what I'm
supposed to do, right, I'm soo's put all my attention
on you, even though we did say we're in an
open relationship. And then he was doing his thing, So
then I went into my thing, and I was excited
to tell him because we're all in relationship right. No, No,
he did not like that. He didn't like that at all,
and I and then shamed me, and I was like,

(01:08:08):
oh shit, so it doesn't go both ways.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
So you're a fucking lion. Yes, But ladies, let's take
let's take the deeper level, because I told you polyamori
is a spiritual practice if that were to happen to
me now, because you know still does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I had that with Tiger two years ago. I went
to Africa, had sex on my project.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Manager, and anyway, he was upset, but I understood, like, yes,
I vented about it. Like you're saying, that's some bullshit.
You're venting, venting, yes, from your ego and animal that's
some bullshit. What does my higher self say, Not that
you fucking care when you're still upset about it. But
my higher self said, oh, I'm seeing a reflection of
what I believe about men. I have not healed from

(01:08:49):
being called a freak by boys in high school or
being you know, my dad doesn't hug me anymore once
I grow breasts, you know, whatever the things are. That's
what I brought up and have placed as my lens
as how I see men. So if we don't want
that anymore, ladies, we gonna have to dig in I

(01:09:09):
do feel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Like polyamory and some like not maybe to the like
from baby to full fledged, from baby to ken you know,
like there. I feel like some aspects of polyamory are
necessary for a healthy relationship because there's a level of
authenticity and honesty that you have to be with yourself
and a level of self awareness you have to have
with yourself in order to make to have a relationship

(01:09:32):
that is safe and that is unbreakable. Because when we
talk about humanity, we talk about humans, men or women.
Like we said, primarily, we're going to be attracted to
other people people, We're gonna have conversations that are gonna
move certain things, because that is what this community is about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
We are supposed to relate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
We are supposed to be be like our frequencies are
supposed to move with music, with great acting, with great
with beautiful singing, like there's always going to be an
energetic combination that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
That is chemistry.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
But if we deny that, and we deny that that
humans to ourselves, then we are basically asking for dishonestly
lie to me, tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I'm the only one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
But because I don't want to, I don't want to
dig into the other shit that doesn't feel I don't
feel like doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Mm hm. I also think like going back to the
concept of not everyone can be everything for you, and
it's a tough one, right, but like but honoring that
And I guess when you when you start to destigmatize
that concept and you are open to saying, Okay, this
person spins my heart chakra yes, and makes me feel

(01:10:39):
safe and we have a good time and we still
share sexual energy and it's great and we fucking it's good.
But then this person actually like stimulates my crown chakra
and maybe we don't even really have a lot of sex,
maybe we just cuddle and that really fulfills me and
like that activates a really big piece of me. And
then oh, this person, like that's the root. Okay, we
bucking and he's smart, but like choice, but like that's

(01:11:06):
not what we're here. But that's not what we're here for.
We're here to ignite those that aspect of who I
am and like actually saying and I'm going to make
all these people my boyfriends or my husband's Like that
concept seems so crazy, but when you think of it
in that way where it's like no, you're you're giving
your space, You're giving yourself the permission and allowing yourself

(01:11:28):
to activate these different pieces of yourself because you also
realize that it is actually impossible for one person to
be able to stimulate all of these things at the
highest capacity all the time. And some people say, I
don't need it a high capacity all the time. But
and then there's people like you and like people that
want that need want that, like I want to live

(01:11:49):
life at my highest capacity all the time. Why would
I not want to do that? You know, like, why
would I not? Why would I want to like only
be stimulated here a little bit? Because I feel like
I can only get that and this from one person.
And that's how it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Men fear failure and for what I've found when I
when because I call it the art of placement, When
I place a man, because they don't know what they
are to you, that's up to the feminine to tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
We're the choosers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
So you know, if I choose a man, I'm going
to place that man. He's going to understand what he
provides to me and that I don't need any of
the other things. But that gives him a greater chance
of success. That's why all men love me, because you
cannot fail with me. I know how to communicate, I
know how to be authentic. I know how to pull
out your vulnerability and authenticity. I understand your placement. I

(01:12:35):
know what you are delivering and what you never need to.
So that is safety for men, but you never need to.
I know it is delivery.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
And what is that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I told my daughter this is that she's this is
this is the feminine in her power.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I said, don't ever put a womb choice in your house.
Just keep him out in the forest. He's a warrior.
Why you put him in your house? He's bucking and
knocking ship down. Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Supposed to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Why you put in your house?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I'm not getting this is saying nothing over.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
He's just nassy, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
So when you know, you know our mothers, God blessed them.
How did they do this with nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Nothing, no means, no internet to tell him, nothing, no meanings,
nothing doing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
No means.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Let's just say I had nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Guys, memes have really saved the world. I really mean.
You just want a bit of smart and you have
really improved everyone's one liner.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Yeah, I can't even feel very intelligent the things they
already knew.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Fast delivery, precise, fast delivery of principles, spoke to the
spokes right to your chair. You know. Wait, speaking of affirmations,
we haven't. We haven't done any of our ship. But
it's fine, my god, off base. No, it's fine. There's
off base here. Okay. Do you have an affirmation though
that you that you can share with our audience. We
usually ask guests to share. Sure. Absolutely, nobody is doing

(01:14:13):
anything to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I create my life. Nobody is doing anything to me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I create my life. Oh I love that, Yes, I
love that. Wow, this has been such a great conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Can you think now they're going so deep?

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I'm high like the women and our power, and like
the revival. I always say that we're resurrecting the women,
the wild and free women, And I do feel like
it requires like warrior women to lead the way, because,
like you said, our mothers, like they just sacrificing and
crying and carrying on and chasing and trying to put

(01:14:53):
a bull in a box and a daddy and the
home and the food on the table. I'm just like
it's a lot, and we I feel deeply that I've
inherited a lot about that. I always say that, I'm like,
I feel like I've inherited a lot of my jealousy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
My grandmother was was cheated on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
My mother was cheated on, like the habitual and and
where I can see the pain, like I can feel
the pain, and I'm just like, if we just have the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The like the balls say this this, we're call that. Well.
I think that maybe to heal this wound, you should
just let Orlando have sex with other women. I don't
say it sounds like you don't have sex with other women. Orlando,
I got you, not without our preparation coaching session, has

(01:15:46):
had sex with kidding, I know, I'm totally kidding, but
I but I think what I really wanted to say
is that it sounds like I think that you're already
doing the work in healing this, in having a partner
where you can share in those experiences with in like
even being able to say out loud that maybe it's
not mine, and also honoring with parts of it that
are yours. And there's too like I can say I'm

(01:16:09):
working through them because you've encountered them I've been there,
and then you Literally I was there, she was getting
jealous and I'm about to freak out, and then I did.
But you, but but you continued forward and not only
just with Orlando, but in like the exploration of what that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Looks like, which I'm actually shocked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I think in any other situation I would have completely
left anybody else immediately without.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Thought, Well, there's a safety shock with that's being spin
spun in your in your relationship dynamic, probably too. And definitely,
I mean you're definitely support choice with him. Yeah, so
it's like you know you're doing You're doing the work.
So I have hope in you. So earlier when you
said that I was giving you a look, it's not
a look. I wasn't. I don't feel like I was
giving you a look. But maybe I was, because you know,

(01:16:55):
my face is I can't. I don't know my face
we faced in induition. But I believe that I think
you guys are doing the work. And I think that
you know, whether you are monogamous or polly or whatever
you want to honogamous, whatever do you want to call it, Yeah,
you're doing the work to figure out what that work,
what that means for both of you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, and that's all I ever wished for. Like, I
want to be open, I want to do them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
I want to be realistic in my endeavors in my relationship,
but I also want to honor the parts in may Or.
I'm like, I'm raging, jealous, and I want to rage.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And well, we're gonna heal that little girl. Yeah, that's
a part of you that we won't love on her.
We're gonna bring her to the forefront and we're going
to heal her. She's come out in your womb choice
relationships and gone wow. But he didn't know how to
hold space for her like I can shore Orlando, how
to hold space for her and take half of her
charge out in less than a month. You know, you
just have never fully solely let her. He got the

(01:17:51):
thought of that sounds like, yeah, because she protected you.
She protected you. Yeah, that's what these parts of us do.
They're not just like bad nonsensical ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
They protected me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
And and it's crazy when you can see them literally,
when you're aware and you can see it come up
and like, you know, you could ask yourself the question
and like do I care am I?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And why am I? Feeling this way worries is like
do I think this person's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Gonna leave me?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
You know that when you can work through and see
all the parts of like as it comes up, as
it happens, or when you're like okay, I'm okay, yeah,
it's fine, you can eat that pussy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Okay, yeah you can, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You know, like just the the moving through it and
when and when it and when she comes up and
when when there's things that trigger that more than others.
It's just an interesting It is an interesting journey in
this relationship. And I'm grateful too for the the ability
to just have the journey. Like there's no right now
in my I don't know what I mean, Like I
don't got to be Polly tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
I don't you know, there's no baby post.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Baby poly first.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Baby Polly does not involve Polly Pocket. I'm Polly Pocket.
Look at my little.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
She lives in that house and we close the door.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Oh that's I'm gonna give you a Polly Pocket for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Every time Ma Orlando can play, I'm like, guess what, babe,
I'm bringing Polly out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
No, I like that, really, don't I really hope a
lot more people can think like that and really be
realistic about where they are.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
You're not there yet. That's it needs to be called
poly pocket, polly pocket, you're not there, polly pocket? Or
are you a poly pro or a poly pocket?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I mean, yeah, that's good. Obviously Kenny is a poly pro.
I'm a poly pro, and the pros come to me.
I've had pro basketball players, actresses, on NFL players, NBA.
All types of people are my clients, and I support
them in moving from monogamy to polyamory or from.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Poly fuckery back to Oh you also get them back
to monogamy if they've been polyuckery and cheating and crazy
and they didn't start off right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Is it got to rewind?

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Is it with the also trajectory of them becoming polyamor
polyamory or like we have to start here, we have
to go back here, start and then we can talk
about going back there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
I coach people who have done bad polly back to
sexual exclusivity so they can heal and get a better
foundation create.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
You have to have an emotional intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Emotional intelligence is required for polyamory. That's why when people
say they're poly I'm like emotional intelligence. Really is it
required require for any relationship, family, even.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Life?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck I'm in a relationship?
What the concern is? Like dual lingo teaches language. There
wasn't before an app that teaches emotional intelligence, because what
is the language of it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
What is it consistent?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
But that's the most superior like that what your app does.
That's when I app does, teaches emotional intelligence and then
matches you only with those on your emotional level.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Oh, it's a dating app.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Yes, after you do the the training, you cannot come
in here. Stem there's no swiping. There's only matching, matching
with people who are on you meet a more meet
a more meet a m O R Y A m
o r e A.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Wow, that makes sense because people want to date amongst
mature other mature people like I don't even want to
be out inside because everybody's kind of slow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I don't date anybody who refuses to learn who's speaking
their ego, their animal, or their higher self. If they
don't know the difference between their ego speaking and their
higher self speaking, we have nothing to talk about. If
they don't know that difference, we have nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
To talk about yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
So often, even just in regular just a regular conversation
with men, I you know, I'll be like, oh, this
is a cool guy, this happened to us recently. And
then the guy I started talking some stupid shit about
basically how he should have women and his woman and
I was like, where we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
This is like happening I bad.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Remember, I just was like, Oh, this is a really
nice guy who was like attracted he was talking to
this girl.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
But then as soon as he said that stupid shit, I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Was like, I'm always so like perplexed by smart men
who appear smart but then say some stupid ass shit.
I'm always like, oh, oh, oh you're dumb. So I'm
just like the disappointment, but even even just on a
regular because I just.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Think there's on a basic level, an emotional intelligence test
is just to ask men questions, lots of questions about
their life and where they are and who they are,
and what they want, what their dreams are. I think
many women don't do that, and so that is a
good gauge. Are they willing to even answer right? Are
they comfortable having a conversation?

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I think I think yes. But I also think that
there's so many emotionally unintelligent women too, so it goes
both ways. So there's like women that feel like they're
emotionally intelligent, but they're not. They might just be a
little bit more than the person that they're you know,
asking to have meet where they are, but they're not
even asking the right questions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
By birth, women are more centered in that right brain unality.
So by birth they may have it, but the skills
and training they don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Wow, well, thank you for your work and what you do.
But before you get out of here, I would love
if you could share a horror story. Who stories I
know in all your adventures and polyamory, And maybe this

(01:23:38):
is also misconception, but I don't think so, Kenny. I
think I think you have some stories to share.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
So Last of Great Stories.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Really wants to tell you a horror story. I want
to tell out of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yes means pleasure in ancient cometic language, so that's where
the word comes from. There were temple goddesses called tepts,
and they brought peace through pleasure, so her tep means peace.
And then just hold heaven on earth. I mean, there

(01:24:14):
is nothing wrong with a woman her sexuality, her sensuality.
This is the most natural ritual we can do together
as humans. So I'll give you my horror story. One
time we were on a cruise, me and Tiger. We
went to Haiti and I had a balcony room. Honey,
I had. You know, I always like to treat my
little womb choices. Womb choices sometimes need a little money,

(01:24:37):
you know, slideing mo, rent payment of two.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
They given me something I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Get nowhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
See it now, It's like, what do you need coming
this way? I take care of you. You take care
of me, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
So you know I had the room. I had financed
that and it was the balcony everything. So we were
going out in the daytime, you know, I'm getting purses
and stuff like that. He runs into a woman that
he's attracted to, and I'm so excited because he tells
me he was like, just look at her, look at her.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
I looked. She was very appealing. She was cute. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
She had a little skirt on and flowing in the
wind and got some hips moving in the skirt.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Okay, so I clocked that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
We got back to the room. We had a great night.
It was a cruise for his family reunion. Yeah, so
his mother, who you know, is in a very strict religion,
was hanging out with me Polly White. Oh, I can't
say he would be so mad at me, but it's
a very strict Christianity where they had a comfortable I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Don't know they know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I don't think they believe in that Jesus wasn't the sun. Okay,
that's the only hint to drop. But anyways, Yeah, so
we're back in the hotel room. It's nighttime. We a
little tipsy. We got the kids all settled out because
I raised my son.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
And his son.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
His son lived with us too, Okay, so yeah, until
I got him back with his baby's mother and now
they're more harmonious. So the son went back to her. Anyway,
So we're in the room, we're getting into it. We're
about to have a sexual interlude and we're I'm rubbing
his back and he's, you know, about to enter my body.
And you know, this is men that had this magical wind.

(01:26:16):
It's always that entry point where you can feel the
power of his wind today. So I'm feeling the power
of his wind today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
What is he delivering to me? Today women aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Giving it up. We're receiving, right, you ever seen the
act of sex? We're receiving.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
They giving it up? So he about to give it up?
And what a guess, right gift?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
And so I started to talk about and remind him
of the woman. I said her hips was so nice,
baby like, how did they feel?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Like? Feel my like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I was telling him feel my hips like, how did
hers feel?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
They bigger? Huh? It was biggaus like this this this,
I was telling him this, this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
This about her, and this man just lost control, like
just to bring her into it, into it, even without
her being there, just bringing her essence because I could
feel it too. It's just a beauty and what she
possessed in our sensual endeavor at that moment, it just
we went wild.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I like that. That's a good that's a good test.
That's a good one. It's a psychology, So that might
be a good way to check. Bitch, can you do that?
Are you going to be? Can you even pretend that
you're man somebody else? That's one one drop, polly drop,
that's that's a poly test. That's look, that's baby poll,
that's baby. Probably one of what I think I could

(01:27:35):
do that. I know I could do that. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
You need so simulations? Is that simulations? That's a simulation?

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I've done that a lot and
I know about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Here y'all got old women sweating in here. I'm sorry
you are not old. Bit. I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Great, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Love I wanted to get to age fifty for so
long because teaching Polly for twenty years, it's like everybody's like, oh,
they're young, that's just a tree.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
By now, I and the expert in this field, what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I do, what you did at the time into successful.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I got receipts. Well, Kenya, thank you so much. You
didn't read her tarot okay, Kenya. She pulled the page
of pentacles.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
The page it's a man standing on a moey hill
and the nice clear sky with the pinnacle in his hand.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Pentacle of money.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Pentacle of money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Yeah. Usually it means like tangible things.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Money upright, manifestation, financial opportunity, skill development. The page of Pinnacles,
like the pages of of all four tarot suits, brings
a welcome message of new beginnings, inspiration, and the initial
stages of a creative project or venture. Since Pinnacles rules
the material realm, the court, and correspond to the element

(01:29:00):
of earth. This page symbolizes a burgaining. That's what you say,
burgeoning awareness of the value of money, wealth, possessions, career,
and physical health, and how to manifest more of these
material blessings. When the page of Pentacles appears in a
terror reading, you are tapping into your ability to manifest
a personal goal or dream, and maybe in the midst

(01:29:21):
of a new project such as a hobby, business venture,
or the start of a new educational experience. In the
quest to materialize the dreams, the page of Pentacles is
an avid student and seeks to learn the skills that
will ensue his success long term. The page of Pinnacles
often appears when you are ready to level up your
skills and learn something new so you can manifest your dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Level up, lub level.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Level up, level up. Level.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Kenny is going to do our premarital counseling. Beautiful, We're
going to be her first pre not already ten year
or twenty year married.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Ready to do pree Like, let's get this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I don't sugges people get married without me or get
a divorce without me. There's no need to throw away
our generational wealth and just keep starting over with the
same issues.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
You don't have them anywhere you are, there you are
say that again everywhere you are, where you are for real. Well,
thank you for saving marriages, Thank you for opening up
your life so that people can understand that there's just
so many ways to live and so many relationship dynamics
to explore. And shout out to Carl for being that nigga.

(01:30:31):
Can you tell the people where they can find find you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Kenya, you can find me at Progressiveloveacademy dot Com on Instagram,
I am Progressive Love Academy. On YouTube, I am Progressive
Love Academy and the same on TikTok. You can get
my books and of course download my app Meet a More,
where you can practice your emotional intelligence and be linked
with those on your emotional level.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Okay, sounds sexy great, and you guys, you know where
to find us A Good Mom's Underscore Bad Choices on Instagram.
Make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel. Make sure
you rate and review this episode if you're listening on
Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and also make sure you check
out our Couple's Retreat. It's almost time for our couple's
retreat in Costa Rica. If you have met maybe an

(01:31:18):
emotionally compatible manner, maybe like you guys, need to figure
some shit out, Come on, come on to the couple's
retreat and Costa Rica. It's gonna be fun. It's centered
around play, it's centered around pleasure, a little bit of TNTRA,
a lot a bit of hopefully good sex in your bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Yeah, this is even in the beginning. If you're building
a foundation, you just need someone to do the vacation
for you. Come and play and enjoy, you know, your
relationship without any interruptions, without having to think about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
And also, you guys, it's May.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
It is our two year anniversary of a Good Mom's
Guide to Making Bad Choices. If you have not read it,
if you've not gotten it, it's everywhere. It's written by us.
We put a lot of hard work, sweat, tears, and
all of our honest stories in here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
It's a prescriptive memoir.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
And if you know someone who's about to have a baby,
about to go to baby shower, this is a great
baby shower gift because this prepares the mother. A lot
of books are talking about what do you do with
the baby. What the fuck do you do with yourself
when you just give birth? There's a lot of things
that a woman goes through that no one talks about,
and we talk about it all in this beautiful book
that we designed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Well until next time, we love you. I believe. Yeah,
I'm living so good. Can't you tell? I went through
a drought?

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
That's until I find out? Well, maym have been known earth?

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
I used to be broken tail, now got the blues,
hands and might beyond say just sell throat shot or
pop in this cow wearing our voices patriarch and kept
it in the box to what'spoids?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Women put the p and powers, so what's pointless? They
want me to be good? So I made bad noises,
bad mom, not a bad mom, but a bad mom.
Gitters in on, put cannabus in their bath bomb.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Then Barcel's cap and I blewis cap boss hop dog.
Now I'm immune to the cat called Herbie and the
waisted straight to it like a dollar sign. Mother, rent
the lover when two with it, like a water summer
where you rent the winter essential will when the summertime,
I do what doll

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Ain't no one that needs to run it by

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