The Prince of Play Feat. Micheal Hollice

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Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
She cleaned, cared for her children and the man of
the house, and of course she didn't talk back. She
was both obedient and soft by nature. She was a
good woman who always made good choices. That shit off.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
We're Good Mom's Bad Choices.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Two single mom who said fuck the patriarchy, shared all
their bad choices and.

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Sound out they were so bad after all, we're experts.

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Over and your new besties, Sit back.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
And enjoy the ride. Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad choices.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm Erica and I'm Mela. Happy Wednesday, Top Day, Beaches,
It's today. Do the hump de hump. You're not supposed
to sing license music.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh shit, sorry black I'm back. Shout out to Black Effect,
We love our network. Shout out to Charlomne and the
God You're that nigga, and shout out to us for
being black women doing the goddamn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Shout out to us on this fine Wednesday. I'm very
proud of us. We've come a long way. We are
black women doing black things on a black network, staying black,
tuere our blackness.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Black as fuck, doing black shit for.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Our white listeners. This is a space for you too,
But we are black. If you haven't noticed, I have
white friends.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Wait did you see I have white friends? Did you
see that? Technically it was all of it was like
Rivers Canning.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was just black, all black people saying things that
white people would say, like, Oh, I have a sister
in law that's white.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh my god, can I touch your hair? It's so
oh my god, you're so cute for a white girl.
You're so pretty for a white girl.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's no, that's a compliment. Do you Oh my god,
you talk like that.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's so cute. Though it was great you went to
private school.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh, that's tell me about your experience, like growing up
in that suburban area. If you're just joining us, we
are Erica and Mela. I am Mila. This is Erica
and the Blue and we are two black women from
the valley, which you will find is kind of a
rare find.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
The valley meeting in the valley of California, Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
The only valley that counts, which is the San Fernando Valley.
So if you bitches are listening from all those other valleys,
you know we're not talking about the valley. The valley
is this valley, San Fernando Valley. And you know, I
noticed that we're like radio personalities. And then like just
on the strength that no one can see our faces
and you're watching on YouTube, which you should because we're
kind of fine and we put on makeup and shit.

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But in the beginning a lot of people were making
comments in our reviews that they were uncomfortable with us,
saying baby daddy and nigga, but we're niggas. So I
hope that you.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Now that we've gotten that up.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
The way.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Now that we've made that clear, this is an inclusive space.
How are you doing today, dear.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I haven't worn this dress in a really long time,
and because I've been in love for one year straight,
I've also put on twenty pounds in.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
One year straight.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Funny, I can't tell no, oh wow, I see you
every day.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Too, so that's true. I'm just slowly growing before your eyes.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And so I've been like looking at this dress and
I was like, I don't think it's gonna fit today.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I was like, it's just it's a button up all
but all dress.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I know, no, that's not true. No, they don't
unless they're stretched, which this is stretch. But anyway, I'm
just gonna I'm here to encourage you.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Put it on the fucking dress. Stop letting it just
sit in the back of your closet, because that's what
I was doing.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I was like, I don't know, I'm gonna feel fat
in this dress and I don't want to wear it.
And then I then Orlando put me on the screen.
I was like, oh, no, bitch, sugar, you're cute. Thanks,
that's a cute dress.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I like dresses like that because you can always adjust
the cleavage and the split. If you guys don't know,
I'm the I like to dress like a HOUCHI, So
if there's always like leverage for split action in cleavage action,
it's always a way to go.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I think I've just been wearing I've been wearing a
lot of sweatpants in the last three hundred and sixty
five days. And I don't know, I just like I
was feeling like I just I don't know, I just
feel like.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I can't fit certain things. And I did.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I put on some pants and they were I was like, oh, bitch, yeah,
you need to probably put those pants on every day
so that you can manage what's happening. Anyway, I'm just
here to tell you to put on the dress. I
know really can't relate to this conversation, but I know
that there's women here that can so put the dress on.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
If you're a very petite woman and you are having
problems finding extra extra smalls, tell me where they're located,
because that's very difficult to find and very annoying. I
have noticed that I only really got to be.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Like an extra extra small like website with all of
the lines that carry them.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Babe.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
If you find the extra extra small website and maybe
I need to create it, please send it my way.
Where are the little China women with the extra extra
small websites? Because I would prefer I would look. I
literally look on Amazon extra Smalls and nothing comes up.
So it's like very particular petite women have a hard
time finding clothing, and it's a struggle too. But I
find that all my outfit wearing is here on the podcast,

(05:37):
on this couch, going absolutely nowhere after except my fucking
living room. So all my best outfits you get to
see them first repeats and everything. But you look great,
thank you. I like that dress, fix your color, I
like your I like those pants.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Thank you. I never seen you wear track pants before.
It's a fluffy heel. I also, in our previous episode,
you had sneakers on, which also is very rare. You're
really you're really expanding your your fashions. Okay, fun fact.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I like to wear high heels and dress sexy like
Jessica Rabbit most of the time, but occasionally we're on sneakers.
I'm also five foot two, so I know I look
very tall. Everyone thought I was five eleven, but I'm
not five to two. Today we have a very special guest.
You know, we've had men all months. We've had mostly

(06:30):
men all month, which is, you know, we don't have
a lot of men here on Good Mom's Bad Choices.
But today's been a special month. We've were joined by
our lovers. We were joined by the very very very
goddamn fine and talented, oh so fine, oh god so
fine and talented party.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Looking man he's eating. And now we are joined by another.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Fine, fine man that I met to the wires of
the Internet, or the wireless wires of the internet, actually
through a a Good Mom listener. Shout out to Campbell
and Shannon who came to one of our play parties
early on. Anyway, today we have Michael, the founder and
creative director of the play.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's the largest West Coast sex party there is.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Hey, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's very nice to have you. Thank you for sitting
through our spiel.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, I was like, I don't know if I'm supposed
to come in or I was just like, you'll do
your thing. So I enjoyed it. You know, you said
something about was it Lola Jessica Rabbit?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Is Jessica Rabbit white and Lola Bunny black?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I would assume so.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think so, Lola was obviously a fair skinning rabbit
and and I mean Lola.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Wait wait, Jessica Jessica was white.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Jessica was white right here, she was shaped like a
woman of color.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Lola was Lolla Bunny.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Lolla Bunny is bugs Bunny's girlfriend in space Dream exactly.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I feel like, is she was she black?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I just assume space sham she was black. I don't
remember her talking.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Though, I'm trying to remember what she looked like.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
You know what's so funny, It's like when we can
identify like animal characters of animations.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I've asked black men about this, and so it's nice
to ask, do you friends has.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
To do with the voice too? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Like Goofy Goofy was obviously the black Disney character. I
would say so, yes, yes, because he was like dancing good?
Would they name him Goofy?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Though?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Why you gotta be goofy?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Racism?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Why did they gotta be Goofy? Wait? Do you remember when?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Do you guys remember when this was like a highlight
when the Atlanta episode when they did that whole story
about Goofy, but then it was not real.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
It wasn't even real, and I was so engaged.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I was like, no wait, my mind was blown that
he would do this to us because I was totally
like researching, like, oh my god, who knew this was
the backstory of Goofy.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
A Goofy movie and everything.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, he's so tricky, that guy. I love him. He's
so talented.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I do Can you come Donald Glover?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Can you come on?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Good moms? I love me so Donald God, he's such
an artist. I love him a little weirdo making up
stories that I thought were real trickster that Michael Jackson one,
and then also the Tyler Perry one.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
You signed on see the episode you know you tune
in the episode. I was like, where is this going?
Because at one point it was like, you know, one
episode after the other was like making sense. There was
a story being told, and then like one season like
fuck that, we're just ye or in the middle of
a season we'll just be like, you know what, the
Goofy Michael.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Jackson, Yeah it's over. But you know what, I love
that because I think he reminds us to play. I
think he reminds us to play in the creative and
see what let's go. And it's true, like I think
as adults were so so deep and fucking survival because
we lived in Los Angeles and America where you know,

(09:55):
capitalism is the world. But it's like, remember your little usage,
just writing your journal and scrapbook and post things on
your fucking wall with tape and just do weird shit
just because you didn't have anything else to do. There's
no Internet. And now we're just so deep in our
like nine to fives or whatever the fuck we're doing,
that we forget to play.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And I'm like, I'm over that. I want to just
have fun.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's why we call it the play. It was like
this quadruple on Tendra when we first started in the
ethical non monogamous space.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know, tell us more, this is Michael, and we said,
we mentioned he has the biggest, largest, most grand sex
party on the West Coast. I know because I went recently.
But tell us your journey into the play and how
you came to be the founder of the play.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Oh wow, okay, yeah, so it started with, oh, let's
get to where we started the non monogamy. Like, there's
the real story my wife went to At the time
we were dating. We're like boyfriend and girlfriend, and she
had gone to Paris to visit uh some family. I

(11:03):
met her in San Francisco. I was working for Google.
I met her on the dance floor. One night stand
turned to life. So and so we moved to LA together.
You know, I'm like, I'm from LA. I don't want
to be in the Bay. I'm like living I'm from
First off, you're from LA and you start living in
the Bay, It's like, this is not California. That's not
like California. I know, you know, So you know, I

(11:25):
go to we start living each other in l A
and like this is awesome and in the Bay. To
be fair, like I was dating a lot. I had
broken up with I'm sorry with me and my past X.
Let me not because she has a podcast too, So
let me like me and my X. We broke up
with each other. Decision. And so after that, I was like,

(11:50):
look i am I'm like done lying to women. I'm
just like I'm gonna date.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
And did you cheat in that relationship?

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I did cheat in that relationship? And and then and
so we broke up and and I told her recently
that I cheated. She's like, you cheated. I was like,
I thought this was the known but that's whatever I thought. Yeah,
I thought that was like the whole. So so then
I dated like a bunch of women at the same time.
But then my thing at that time was like, we're
not lying anymore, so like, are you talking to other women?
Like yes, like I think I know where you're going.

(12:21):
I am fucking other women, you know. So like, if
you still want to do this, I have a great
date idea, you know. So it worked and then uh
and not it worked. It was like it felt better
being in these relationships just being honest, you know, cause
I think that's what people want anyways, just honesty and
that people can feel when you're lying or you're not
living your truth.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
So then she was one of the women I was dating.
And then I moved to LA and she was like,
you know what, I'm gonna look for a job in
LA as well. Finds a job in LA. And I'm like, well,
let's move in together. She's like, if we're moving in together,
then we're a boyfriend a girlfriend. I was like, all right,
let's go, you know, and and you know, don't get
me wrong, there's like the beautiful things that really attracted

(13:02):
me to her. It didn't take long, I think because
I dated so many women, it was easy to like
know that she checks so many boxes, like we can,
I can rock with this.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
There's a lot, but there's seven other bitches not checking
the boxes. You're like, you know what you're winning.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
You know, you got two boxes, you got three boxes,
you got a lot of seven boxes, you know. But
point is we're dating. And then she goes to Paris
to visit her friend, like her family or like sister's
wedding or something. And during that time, you know, there
was some phone calls, right, and so I cheated a
phone calls.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
A phone call. You made the phone calls? What they
called you?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I used my phone. Okay, don't phone town. You know,
at that time of my maturity, you know, basically, you know,
I cheated while she was out of town. And then
she came back and like I didn't try to even hide,
like I didn't really try to hide it. Yeah, exactly,

(13:59):
she was it's like something is up, you know, and
she like there was like little things where I replaced
the condom that were like near the bed, but it
wasn't the same brand. It was a sloppy you know,
it's just really sloppy. You know. I didn't even delete
the text messages. It was just it was like, looking back,
it was sloppy, but it was meant to happen. So

(14:20):
she she catches me, and we're about to have that argument.
You know, it's like you feel it right. And I
used to be a yoga teacher meditation coach in Houston,
and I was like, hey, instead of like where we're
about to go with this, let's just like meditate and
then really have this conversation. You know, and my brothers
that's how you call stalin play.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's quite a life google meditation.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, but it was just one of those things like
let's really assess our feelings because this is going to
be the conversations that's going to define if we're going
to be together or not. Right, And and I had
a chance to really just drop in too, like you know,
why did I cheat? You know, it's like I I
really love this woman, but why why why am I cheating? Then?

(15:10):
Looking back, like have I cheated on like every woman
I've been with? You? Know and and and not so
much like physical, Like it's the mental, the emotional. You know,
you have like work wives, you know, like what the
fuck is that? And so you're doing all of these
other types of cheating. So I felt like there was
never a woman that that was completely the center of
my attention and I gave her my all in a sense,

(15:32):
and or she filled up my cup.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You have relationship? Yeah sure, I just made that.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, I mean I get that, the filling up.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
You're like, not, she might have checked all those seven boxes,
but there's still there's still possible for one person to
discover new boxes.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
We're gonna we're gonna get into this as the conversation goes,
because this is a big part of like ethical non monogamy.
So I just told her, I was like, look, baby,
like I love you, like I really love you, Like
I love how we live together, I love being with you.
I just just all the things, you know. But I've
also just had these experiences like at that time, I

(16:13):
had like five threesomes before that, So I was like,
there's just sexual experience that I've had that I want
to have now. I'd love to have them with you.
But like if You're for taking that off the table,
Like there's always going to be part of me that
wants to try that, you know. And I think also
because I had been with so many different types of women,

(16:35):
right like I appreciate all the flavors, you know, It's
not like the one is better than the other. It's
just like, hey, there's you know, I've experienced it and
love that was awesome. So I just told her. I
was like, you know, there's I would like to explore,
like would you be down to have a threesome? You know.
It wasn't even like let's be dominogmous, like would you

(16:56):
be down to have a threesome?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
So you went from I cheated on you, Let's have three?

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah. I was like, look, I'm trying, I know. I
mean it was like more of just like I'm I'm
dropping the Prince Charming act. That was the big thing
for her. She's like, finally, just tell me the truth.
I don't care what the truth is, Like what is it?
What are you trying to hide?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like what is this?

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Stop the Prince charming bullshit. So I was like, okay,
like look I want to I want to try this stuff.
You know, I'm going to try these experiences. And she
she was like, you know what, now that we're being honest,
you know me too, you know exactly. So she was like,
I've actually wanted to you know, I've always had like

(17:36):
this thing where I've wanted to try playing with women.
And I was like, excuse me, like I think based
off what you said and what I said, I think
there's something there. So we had, uh, you know, we
had a threesome and you know, just like everybody's first
three some, it's super awkward. It's like there's you know,

(17:57):
there was times where we just paused in it and
it was like, hey at it, excuse us, we need
to talk about something, you know in the closet. You know, no,
I mean just yeah, like really like just outside we
went in the living room, like left her, left the
other person in the room. It was just like, hey, like,
you know, can you not kiss her as much?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You know, I've taken a lot of meetings in the closet,
like we'll.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Be right back, yep. And and it's it's fine. It's
that you have those check ins. So it happened. It
was it was fine, and that person actually was in
like visiting, you know, so we had like another night,
like like we get to try it again, and like
this time was within the boundaries. And then after that,
you know, I took them both to the Gaddy after
that and just had like a nice evening to where

(18:37):
they got to talk and hang out and chill more,
and they just became really good friends.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
These are people.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Did you source the third person?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yes, it was. It was an ex girlfriend of mine.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh wow, that she's a break She's she's strong.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
I mean it was an ex girl. Like there's a
whole story of how that even happened. It was like, uh,
you know, it worked out. It worked out. Me and
that ex girlfriend were like, she I wanted to have
a three some, Like this was back when I was
having those five threesomes, you know, and one of them
was one of my best friends was in town and
she's like, I've always wanted to have a three some
with two guys. And I was like, were when I

(19:10):
think threesome? I wasn't thinking that. And then I was like, Okay,
well that's my that's my brother. You know, if there's
anybody that I would do it with, it's him, you know.
So we ended up we did that and She's like,
oh well, I oh you one and.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Get back.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, you know, well, you know what I would say,
I'm for the people that are the men that are listening.
I think that this is I'm really happy that you're
sharing this because I think that it's I think it
worked for you. But historically a man's bringing in his
ex girlfriend to fuck his current girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Might not go well.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
So absolutely use your.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Discernment, fellas.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
But I'm happy that your girl, and obviously you guys
built this beautiful platform is more open than maybe you
even could have dreamed of.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It's it's just my literally my wildest fantasy. The things
I couldn't even imagine, some of the things that are
happening now. And it's just like, you know, when you're
starting to live your truth, you know. So after that,
a couple we met another couple who was like, hey,
have you guys ever been to I told like I
was telling my friend. I was like, oh my god, bro,
like we have the three He was like, bro, I

(20:12):
go to play parties. I was like, what are you
talking about? Like a play party? What are you talking about?
You know, He's like sex parties. I was like, I mean,
what do you you know, like, what do you mean
sex parties? He's like, just come with us. So we
go to this sex party. It's a hotel takeover and
the hotel is like I mean it's in like Palm Springs,
you know, and they're taking over like Hilton, so it's
like four hundred rooms and like, you know, no, let

(20:35):
me not Hilton. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there was
a hotel in Palm Springs, right, So we go and
you know, we get there and the pool party is
like crazier than any Vegas party I've seen, right, Like
this is all clothing optional. You know, what's happening at

(20:57):
the side of the pool is just just the whole
scene was just like my mind was blown. I was like,
this is possible. Yeah, of course we went with that
in that other couple. You know, they were like, let's
show you and like we're gonna to introduce you some
of our friends. So I went and I was like,
oh my god, my mind was blown. But you know,
I also when I came back to LA I worked

(21:17):
in television and film, was working you know, I produced
super Bowl commercials, worked at different shows. You know, I'm
not in a name drop, but I did my thing
in the industry. And I looked at the party and
I was like, this is actually not that you guys
aren't doing anything right, Like you guys are just hosting

(21:37):
a party and telling people they can have sex. That's
basically what's going on here. Like we got alcohol over here. Yeah,
you got a DJ, and maybe you're saying there's a
theme and then you're saying, okay, now get out there
and play, you know, and uh, you know. Then I
was like, Okay, well maybe that's it's just that style,
you know. And so then I came back to LA

(21:58):
and I was like, well, let me go to more
play party. So I go to some in like the
Hollywood Hills and things of that nature, and it's the
same thing. It's like, Okay, nice house and you know, music,
maybe a DJ, you know, maybe some stuff from Costco
and you know, they they'll they may do some lighting stuff,

(22:18):
you know, but even the lighting isn't it's not it's
not like this right, like like we put out the
vibe exactly. And I was like, yo, y'all, y'all are
like is anybody really looking at the science behind this,
you know? And and I think I've always been into
just how humans connect, like the sociology you know, like

(22:38):
if you have five people talking, eventually two people you know,
three breakoff and two breakoff. You know, like how you
really connect people and how people connect. So uh, I
was like, you know what, I think we can just
do this better. So we went like a year of
going to all the parties. I was like, let me
just let's just do this better, like, let's just do it.

(23:00):
And we were talking like okay, so if you want
to do this, my wife, and this is the best part.
My wife was the one who was like, if we're
gonna do this, like this is where I put my
foot down, everybody's got to be tested. I was like, baby,
nobody's doing that, like nobody's requiring testing, you know. And
she's like yeah, but I'm not gonna play with anybody
that's not tested.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I was like, women, Oh, this is so annoymous pH
balance matters. Absolutely, these are very sensitive and if.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
You want to get to them after this party, my nay,
you might as well go.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's just like what you know, when it comes to
like things, I'm asking right, like okay, babe, like you're like,
is this the the for me to get to the
yes is everybody get tested. And then when you think
about it more, it's like, you know what, Yeah, that's right,
We're gonna be the party where everybody has to be tested.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
So that was always since the founding moment of the play.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
That never a moment we didn't require testing, you know,
And that's how we came into this, and so we
were trailblazing from the jump. A lot of parties were
just like, you.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Know, ticket come in.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, but once you buy a ticket, is not even.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Vetting at all. I don't know if there's betting at
you're a party.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Absolutely, they just are top.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
To Michael for many hours at this point, yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
So we we have our whole processes, Like you submit
an application. You from that application, you like, maybe somebody
referred you, you know, so we like to track because
like if your friend is acting crazy, we.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Don't need you here.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Maybe if you were for somebody else, like it's one
of their referrals again, you know. So once you you
answer questions in our application, right, so those questions pop
up some red flags, right, I'm not going to say
what one of the questions is, uh, how many how

(24:49):
many part play party play parties have you been to
You're right, So that's one where it could potentially pop
up a red flag if you've been to none. No,
if you've been to none, like we're we're assuming you're
not right. We don't really know the culture that well, right,
so we may give you a little bit more leeway
with some of your questions. But maybe you've been to

(25:09):
like a bunch of play parties and then you gave
us like short answers for everything. It's like you're just
trying to get in the door. You're not like we're
asking you questions about what's your fantasy, what's your king?
Do you have a performance in mind? And if you're
like no, no to any of that, like we're here.
The play is the party for artists. It's where artists
play is one of our things. You're not just the
audience or the art. And so you know, if that's

(25:33):
the question that you're skipping over, and then it's like, well,
this may not be the party for you, right, So
so you have to do that the application, submit some
pictures and everything, and then we do an interview because everybody, look,
we're from LA, so you think I'm gonna trust your
little instagram picture absolutely not fame or is it just
regular call face time?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh yeah, show me your face.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
One hundred percent. Like we're gonna figure this out real quick.
Like your personality too, because a lot of times, you know,
people look really cute and then you talk to them
and it's like this is supposed to be a conversation.
So if you want to just be cute and be quiet,
this party is about connection, So like, just be cute,
be quiet at that other party with all the rich people,

(26:15):
and you can just be that person there, you know,
Like what we're trying to do is create this environment
that people want to connect in. You want to talk,
and even if you're an introvert, we want to create
ways for you to connect. So the interview process, if
you pass that, then we send the invitation, then you
send the STI results, and your SEI results have to

(26:36):
be within three months of the party you want to attend. Now.
The reason it's three months because people are like, well
that's a lot of time, like absolutely, Like first off,
because there's other private parties and parties are starting to
require testing now, and you know, some of them making
it optional, which is just counterproductive, but some of them,
like the more private ones are making it more required

(26:59):
and the every one what I love is they'll be like,
hey within two weeks, right, but in this community, in
two weeks, the ship that could happen come.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
On even for me when when we got ended up
going like we went very last minute and I was like,
where'd you go?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I was thinking about, like where the fuck do you
just want to go?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
At first, I was like, we're not gonna be able
to go because I'm like, don't you have to wait
time to get results?

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Bitch?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Guess wherever we went? That's Hollywood? Yeah, And it was
so nice. Where's the men's health clinic? It was so
nice that parking, you know, there's usually no parking in
Santa Monica. Me and Orlando went at like six pm
on a Thursday, got our results by Saturday and or
like Friday, I think Saturday, and literally they were like
pie in the shar here's your recteal swab. I was like,

(27:39):
what like rectal swab?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
You put them in your butt? Yes, bitch? And I
was not prepared for that.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
MEI they gonna find your boody on I don't know,
but you can get don Aria and who knew? But
the days now Orlando called me from the other bath
they put it in your butter. You know, you do
it yourself. Orlando calls me, like, what's what do I
do with this rectal swab? I was like, I don't know,
but in my bathroom there's directions above the toilet. He's like,
not in mind. I was like, I'll take a picture
and send it to It was like it started one

(28:06):
to two inches and then swab it five times. He
was like, I only got that mug around one and
a half. That's about all they're gonna get. We don't
have anything in our buttholes.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know what I think too, Why I love this
requirement is because I think there's so much fear around
your like what potentially your status is. And I think
that it encourages people to do it. And I'm sure
there's been people that have got bad news first off,
but they don't submit it.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I'm justs assuming they're not going to Well, Eric, you're
hitting on the head, like, our goal isn't to say
that this is a STI free space. That's impossible, right.
What we're doing is saying, hey, if you want to
come into this play party culture, right, if you want
to be ethically non monogamous, then knowing your status is
the requirement. Right, So we're saying like if because a

(28:55):
lot of people who are already in the space, they're
just getting tested regularly, like once a month or maybe
after they had a wild night they multiple Yeah, so
it's not for them, it's for like the newer people
who are like, oh, well, you know, me and my
partner have only played with each other. Oh that's my favorite.
That's my favorite, because come on, so what what ends

(29:17):
up happening? You know, like one in ten you know,
I don't let me not say that. Ever, so often
a couple will go couple like, oh, we only play
with each other, and then they end up getting their
tests and then one person has something and now y'all
got to have that conversation. But this is part of
the culture, right, like you should be you should be

(29:37):
able to have that conversation. And if you haven't been
honest with each other about who you've been playing, well,
well now it's time to have that conversation.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Too, hopefully so ethical.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
This is part of you coming into the community to
make sure are you both coming in honestly? Are you
both you know, destigmatizing STI testing, Like you don't need
just because you don't have to go get STI tests
just because you feel like you have something right. You
could have just had a crazy night, you know what,
Let's go double check. So it's more about bringing people
into the culture than making sure there's no STIs in

(30:08):
in the in the party.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Because I definitely realized. Me know, LETTO have been together
fucking five years. I'm like, we've never gotten tested together.
It was the first time you've ever done such a thing.
As it feels good.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Obviously we knew, but like it was.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Also a nice, a nice thing to do together. As
like now we're an ethical cover.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So because you know STIs, there's a lot of shame
around st I s s TDS are two different things.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Right, yeah, we do we say STIs.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Now, okay, how does that work? If someone does have
an STI? Are they allowed entry? And if so, what
is that process? Are you like having a conversation with
them before are you like looking out like watching them,
like how does that?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Hey, did you talk to her?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
We know you have got you need a chill.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Stop with that. Perhaps not like maybe maybe an STI
that is not curable exactly.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Let's talk about Let's just talk about HSV one and
hs V two, okay, right, because that's what everybody wants
to talk about, right, and that is the one we
do not check for.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
And you know what, this isn't important because April is
STI Awareness month, you guys. And that's why I was
actually happy to go get tested this month with my
partner because it just makes even more a topic of conversation.
But I read that on your site that the eight
for what is it for herpes? Essentially HSV one two
check for because a lot of times people are it's
in your blood stream and you don't even know it.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Oh, first off, eighty percent of y'all have it.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, eighths. One in five women have herpes genital gin
let's HSV two.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
When it comes HSV one.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's like cold storing your mouth, yes, no one is.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, so the majority of people have it. And
there was a time where we were asking for those results,
but we followed HF and HF has just been doing
amazing work. We usually send people their way. It's free
as well. We just found mental health clinics, so we're
sending people there now too. But because so many people

(32:12):
were having HSV one and HSV two. You know, they're
having these conversations every day with people, and people feel
like their life is over. So they stopped requiring a
part of their standard test. They stopped requiring HSV one
HSV two, you know, and there's not a lot of
test a testing because.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Because if you're having an active breakout, you can look
at it and see, but if you're not, you're getting
tested via your blood and a lot of times HSV
one and two lays dormant in your blood. And some
people may not ever have an outbreak, maybe you have
it very rarely in your lifetime. But what was happening
is you're getting tested and you're getting the blood results
and it could be lying dormant forever, and then people

(32:50):
are having such deep panic attacks.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
And now it's breaking out and you're triggering.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
It because now you're having this information that you may
not have ever even known otherwise unless you were having
an active breakout.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah. So they that's who we took the lead from.
It's like, okay, well if the clinics are not testing
for it anymore, then we don't need to be having
testing for it either. Because we were finding the same thing.
It was like, hey, I just got tested, now have HC.
And it was like yo, it's fine, Yeah exactly, there
was a time.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
But how much does it cost to get an S Freekay?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Nice?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I love that free. There's so many places in America everybody.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Especially in California, we're very liberal on that space. Like
if you don't have insurance, they're not asking you sh
you get all your results immediately, nothing, no cost.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
So and it gets back to you know, this is
why we're asking, Like I'm asking you to go do
something that costs nothing. This is just information for yourself.
So do you want to be ethical in this? Ethical nominogamy?
And so once once you know, those are the two
kind of pillars, like we are pillars for the party,
our care, consent, connection, creativity, and community. That's what we

(34:00):
build this experience around. So you got the care. We
always do a consent speech during the party as well,
super important. Some parties do it. You know a lot
of parties where you purchase a ticket to they don't
do it. They won't stop everything to have the consent
that they'll maybe do an orientation you know, like oh hey,
like is this your first one? Like Okay, we'll do

(34:21):
it for me. It feels like just when you get
on a plane, Like I know the safety speech when
I get on the plane, but you know what, I'm
gonna still sit through it because I'm on the plane,
and just before I do anything where health is at risk,
I'm okay hearing a safety speech. I don't need to
roll my eyes because another consent speech before we like

(34:41):
actually do this well exactly. You know, some consent is big.
We have a saying if it's not a fuck yes,
it's a no, not a fuck no. I want to
make sure because a lot of people are like it's
a fuck no, it's just like no, if it's not
a yes, sometimes it's a not right now now. Not
right now is a no, but it's also not right now.
You know. We tell people you can ask somebody two

(35:02):
times if you want to play, if they want to play, right.
So I'm like, hey, or could you know you want
to play tonight? And you're like I just got here,
you know, like I'm still feeling this space out right,
And then later on we've been there for four hours,
you know, and then I'm like, hey, is it cool?
And you're like, you know what I'm dropped into this
space a little more. You know what I am, you know.
But when I do get to know, what we do

(35:24):
is teach people about how to receive the know. And
that's the big thing that we're trying to do in
the play when we talk about shifting the culture right,
not just with testing, not just on how we bring
people into the community, but we have to give them
the language and the tools to be successful in the community.
And part of that is like when you get a know,
what you how you say, how you receive that no

(35:47):
really defines how that interaction is going to be. Right.
So when you get to know, we say thank you
for taking care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Thank you for being a friend.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I don't know some people be like yourself, but that's
because usually when you when you do that, thank you
for taking care of yourself, like it's a reminder to yourself.
Like it's like because they're not saying no to you,
they're saying yes to their boundaries. So like, thank you
for saying yes to your boundaries. I move along, And
a lot of times because you were so gracious in
that no, you kind of you may have another chance

(36:22):
versus like you say no, like okay, next.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
You know, like just you know, I also find that
especially for women, and I realized that just you know,
my my lifestyle adjacent lifestyle, that practicing saying no is
something that women really are not empowered to do. I mean,
I'm sure men either, and there's a lot of us
who are like in people pleasing culture and so practicing

(36:46):
saying no feeling empowered and saying no knowing that the
other person is expecting some knows and that you're going
to be embraced regardless, is like as something that we
have to embrace as a society because I feel like
even like being like a TONTRA practitioner is like we're
not really well versed and we're like the yeses and
no's live in our bodies. So a lot of times
we're going against our gut feeling. We're going against things

(37:06):
that we want to do because we're trying to please
everyone else. I don't want to make them feel bad.
A lot of women I know, me and Eric I
say this to each other about seventy seven times a month.
Oh my god, I'm such a bitch. Am I big
a bitch? Am I feel like a bitch? I feel
such a bitch. This is like we say this seventeen
times a week, but it's like whatever, who cares with
how it's going to be received. Feel comfortable with your
own no, so that you know when you're doing something

(37:27):
that's going against your body, you're going against what you
actually want to do. So I just I feel like
a lot of people shy away from these types of
spaces because it seems so large and oh, it's so
many freaks in someone's that's not me. That's a little crazy,
that's so extreme for me. And the truth is it's
like it's a party, and yes, people are fucking, but
I always find that it's just a space to like

(37:48):
feel free and liberated, whether or not you're playing or not,
whether you're participating, it's such a space to exercise freedom.
And that's freedom to express in whatever way, to dance,
to play, to like sexually and just just say no,
I'm good and to do it a smile and get
practice in that, because I feel like a lot of
women do not have practice saying no. And this is

(38:10):
also like sexual assault and Prevention Awareness month, and a
lot of women get assaulted because we are not empowered
to say no, I'm my twenties and my teenage years.
I just laid down and took a lot of shit
just because I was not empowered on being like I'm good. Hey, hey,
I just told you no, I'm not comfortable.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I was talking to shakem about our interview with Lisa
Phillips about, you know, just sexual assault, and he was
asking me, He's like, how many times do you think
that you've been in the act of sex and then
got up and said no?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
And the fact that you even like you you even
saying this question right now is brought up like a
daunting feeling in my chest.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
And I said, never, I've never laid down with the.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Man and then change your mind.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I have changed my mind, but I ever said never mind,
get off of me.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I could probably think of in like maybe three or
three or five times on one hand, the amount of
times that I laid there and wanted to leave but
shut down instead. I can't even Instead of learning that,
I just I eventually learned how to check out well that,
but more so like I.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Don't I don't even get to that point anymore. I
don't even allow someone to come into into that space.
But I never learned how to say no in that regard.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
In that way, this brings me back to our second pillar, consent.
When we do our consent talk, we bring up this
exact moment, is that at any moment, you can take
your consent back. You can change your mind. You could
be a guy could be putting the condom on woman
be like you know what, not right now, or a
guy could be inside. There's other times where you know,

(39:54):
for men where they feel like, man, I gotta finish.
You know, it's like, hey, it's a lot if you are,
if you're done, just and it's part of this is
why you.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Mean, like a man also feels like he's complete, but
he hasn't completed, and so he keeps going even though
he's he feels complete.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, there's like I mean, there's both, there's both sides.
But the girl was over here, yeah, like yo, it's like, hey,
I right now, I am done. Right whether it was
like you came or not, it's just like I am
now done with it this situation, right and so, but
that's part of this culture that we're trying to create.
Reminding you during the consent talk, remember you can take

(40:32):
back consent right, so, and consent isn't how we get
what we want, it's how we take care of each other,
you know. So then it gets to connection. So we
do the intimacy exercise, and this is what I love
and this is kind of again what separates us from
other spaces right where it's doesn't just feel like this

(40:53):
college party. Appreciate it with the consent talk, with the
I'm sorry, but the intimacy exercise we tell everybody to
we do this in silence number one, and it's basically
I gazing with three or four strangers or four strangers, right,

(41:14):
and it's a thirty second I gaze. It's not the
two minute, you know, I see myself when I'm crying.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Listen, thirty seconds is really hard for people, very ten
seconds a second exactly.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
So the other thing is we do this in silence.
And the reason we do it in silence because we
have to create opportunity for verbal and non verbal connection.
A lot of times these party people, you know, parties people,
whether they're I've seen the most confident guys type A
personalities like now that's sex is the topic. What's your game?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
None?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
You feel me? So allowing people to not have game
right and just be drop in, be yourself. You don't.
We tell people we don't need to smile, you don't
need a wink, you don't need to touch them. You
just drop in, be present with somebody because we at
our core, we all came to this space to connect.
And this is what I I you know, my friends

(42:06):
who refuse to go to play parties, you know, this
is what I'm trying to get them to see. Is like, Yo,
this isn't about having sex. It's just when was the
last time you guys were connecting deeply intimately you saw
another human just naked, you know, just being free, and
like it was fine, but they're not coming for you,

(42:27):
and it's just like that's just out there and that's okay,
you know. And you could also drop your guard to
be vulnerable. So this is how we create these spaces
of vulnerability. And so that's really what play parties at
their core are, is that here's another space where you
can be a little bit more vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Would you say that that's the that's the difference between
your play party and other play parties or is that
the difference between a sex party and a play party?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I think ours were trying to build a little bit
more vulnerability, Like not every party. I don't think any
other party has like the intimacy actual size, right, So
that's something that's specific to us. We also do during
that intimacy exercise, we do I'm the last person that
you I gaze with. We exchange our DIBs, our desires, intentions, boundaries,

(43:15):
and sexuality. So this is again part of us trying
to shift the culture where it's like, first off, let's
hear that desire, the sexual sensual one, you know, like
say what you want to experience sexually? Because that's part
of the reason you're here is for that, and being
able to express your desires is just as important as

(43:36):
being able to express your boundaries. Right. So then intentions, Okay,
so that was the physical. Why are you here? Is
it for community? Is it for connection? Is it for exploration? Liberation?
You know? Why are you really here? And then the last,
I mean the third to last is boundaries. Let's say

(44:00):
we tell people the topic of conversation when they first arrive,
are your boundaries? Just like, just start with that, right,
because there's been so many situations can I because I
don't think you know, as a cis male, I don't
think that men are trying to cross boundaries. Sometimes I
think there's just they're not communicating to say hey, or
do you have any boundaries? First? Right, you just touch

(44:21):
that person's shoulder, you know, the trauma around the shoulder. Right,
So just like, let's just start by typing the boundaries
conversation and then we can work from there. So let's
say during the first two hours of the party, you
didn't have that conversation. No matter what, the intimacy exercise happens,
like after we close the doors two hours, you know,
after we close the door, so everybody's there. So no
matter what, everybody in the space will say their boundary

(44:45):
to one other person. And it doesn't matter if that
person is like what you're attracted to or not. It's
about you know, speaking aloud, speaking into existence your boundaries,
making sure that you're saying them out out, grounding you
into the experience. And then last it's sexuality. And I
love this one. One of my mentors, William Winters. He's

(45:07):
actually a black man who has a huge play party
community in San Francisco. He's like ten years older than me,
and I found him. I was like, wait, what you exist?
I started, I started to tear it up very godfather

(45:27):
and like, you know, but he you know, he lives
in San Francisco, and you know, so as far as
like super liberal and they're like thinking of I mean,
they're the four frank the thought leaders in this space,
you know. And he was like, you should add sexuality
because when you when you add the sexuality to it,
it forces everyone to say what their sexuality is. And

(45:51):
you know, as a as a male, who I find
myself on the scale, you know, and the Kinsey scale. Exactly,
thank you, because I don't think I'm one hundred percent anything,
you know. And so I may on a dating app
check a box, you know, hetero flexible box there, you know,
I'm you know, maybe type it out and yeah, exactly

(46:14):
type it out onto my tender profile, or you don't really.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Say it out loud.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
I don't say it.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I mean we like the power of the frequency of
voice and releasing out of your body and owning and
believing is so powerful. I mean, that's that's that's been
the superpower in this space. But I think too about
saying it out loud is like.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's what everyone's so afraid of.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
People are so afraid to have any sort of label
on them, like if you like girls and you primarily
fuck with girls, and you really and you really, like
you've never said I'm a lesbian or even bisexual.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Like hearing you say those things, it releases the binds
of that control.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I feel like it begins the conversation of like even
if when you say it, you might not believe it
because it might be your first time saying.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's awkward, coming out weird, You're like, what am I?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
But it begins that dialogue with your body and yourself
around like okay, well yeah, let me let me what
does this mean to me?

Speaker 4 (47:13):
You know, as someone who grew up in Los Angeles,
pride has been happening since we were children, right right,
And it was only until I got into this space
and I've start saying to people I'm ahead, I'm a
HEATERO flexible male. You know, did I really understand what
pride meant? It's like that's when it he was like, oh, absolutely,

(47:34):
Like that's what I'm taking pride in and and not
that you know, I think being an ally is one
thing and then kind of being owning.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
It as being especially as a black man exactly. You know,
that there's so much stigma around it, and you know,
even I've literally been in situations with my man another
man in a sexual sense and then the person's questioning
what's happening, and I'm telling like that there's it's it's
you know what. It's powerful both ways, like, hey, this
is what I am, and also like you make the

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rules of what you are like you like like you
playing in a certain space or getting your dick suck
with in one mouth two dicks like that is that
some ship you watch on porn and you engage in it.
I think people start start fucking spiraling, like I touched
his thigh, you know what I mean, Like I'm gay,
you know what it's like, And I'm like, you make
the rule crazy and you're typing.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I think that it's also like normalizing this idea that
your your sexuality can change. You're allowed to be flexible
in there. You might be monopoly, you might be straight today,
you might be bisexual tomorrow. The Mila Fasher is a
full lesbian for a while, you know, like, and you're
giving yourself the permission to at least begin the exploration

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and and also knowing that maybe it's a lifelong journey of.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Just sexuality is fluid.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
What I like yesterday, I might not, like, I'm not
gonna like, I'm not going to be attracted to every person.
Like there's literally errors for different shot and there's opportunities.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
For one time or also we're growing in all these
other areas of our lives. Why wouldn't our sexuality also
run Yeah, exactly expand like my understanding of it. So
it's been powerful as far as does that mean I
can be gay today?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
You can, I will stop calling you, I al stop
calling you by fund, But I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like, I'm gay today and then next week I might
be buy fine? Or is that in disrespect to the
to the people that are true to their status and
their sexuality.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's queer and I think that's what query is. I
just just just made me realize. I always like, what
the fuck is the cue? I don't get it. I
don't know what query is clear, But it's just like
embodying that it's flexible. It's embodying that I'm not just this.
There's masculine under there, you know, Like I am fluid.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I've always found it interesting where people will be more
of like, I'm not straight but they don't claim queerness.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I think because people don't really understand what that word means.
I mean, I think that there's a stigmatached to the word,
for sure, but I think there's also, as Melagia shared,
like confusion around exactly what what it means to be queer?
Do you know, do you have a definition of what?
What do you think it means to be queer? Is
it just the fluidity of everything and everything?

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I think just like I think queer is not straight,
you know, I think that, like what's its opposite? You know?
And and then I've been again that can be so
much and and cover so much, But yeah, I think,
and then I get, you know, even deeper with it's
like who is straight? Like what what's the what's the
straightest thing?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
What is the actual pride? And be straight? Like why
are people so proud to bet?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Because it's it's normative.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
It means you haven't even begun.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And it doesn't mean that if you say you're not straight,
it means that you're you're gay, or that you are
even like hooking up with the same sex. But to
just be straight and say, like I there's no spectrum,
there's no I do think you're but I think that,
but I think that historically and people that are identify
as straight, who you know, whatever that is, it is
what it is. I think that there's a definition that

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we in Western society view us straight, and it's one
hundred percent of something.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
If you're not one hundred percent of something, then you
cannot be straight.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
And just what are we one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
So then everyone else that's that like sways back and
forth between even just five percent. Like there's so much
shame and like not understanding in that space. So yeah,
I think it's just Western society has fucked us usual.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I mean, yeah, so all to say, that's the intimacy part, right,
and then we get to the artistry, you know, the
creativity of it. And when we were going to play parties,
you would see people flogging, you know, someone in the corner,
or maybe dancing, or you'll see you know, maybe an instrument,

(51:55):
but you I think you'd see more of like the
kinky stuff, right, And it just wasn't the focus. And
we had so many creative friends. When we first started it,
we were like, yo, if everybody did like a little
reformance exactly, like come on, exactly, you do the flogging
thing you exactly. You love yoga, like you could do
some making yoga, Like, come, we can figure this out.

(52:17):
And so when it was all of us coming together
to contribute to the space, it felt like every single
one is different because it's different people given their energies. Uh.
And then the expression is just it is just all
over the place. I don't want to restrict it to
just the BDSM world. You know, there's been couples where like,

(52:39):
just so what I was saying earlier, like they were like,
we do yoga, how do we make that section? I
was like, just do nude yoga, you know, like, well,
we'll put a kaleidoscope on you so like it don't
even look like you're new. But like we'll put an
infinity wall back there. So we're watching the silhouettes, you know,
like here we go. They were like our boundaries, but
then we just need to keep our bottoms on, like

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it doesn't matter. There's gonna be a kaleius exactly, like
we want to respect your boundaries. We'll find ways to
respect your boundaries and be super creative. You saw, you
know the one that we just had the rodeo, We
had the coyote ugly performance.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It was grand. You know, I'm not going to even
front walk me through this sex club experience.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
I didn't get to go to.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
I know.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
A it was rodeo themed, it was in bel air,
it was a day party. So we got tested obviously
at the last minute before, which was even a part
of it, Like it kind of built up the anticipation,
like we're going to do this thing, committed to that.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, we're committed. We're going to this doctor and she
had to go to this.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I mean, it's a collective Yes, That's what I was
talking about, even just in our couple's retreat, when you
decide to do something in union together, it's a collective
yes for your relationship. Even if your relationship isn't in
a good place, at least you're starting somewhere.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
You both agreed to do some shit.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
I love the collective lesson.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It's a great yeah, yes, open up the possibilities. You're
already like in union of like, okay, we're doing it.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
The collaboration. We're collabing, baby, come on, let's go.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
And it's something we've had. We've obviously gone to play parties,
but we haven't ended this one together before, and I've
heard good things and I've talked to you seventeen times now,
and so I'm like, yeah, my friend Michael Stone a party.
Everyone came down this huge hill and like lots of people,
you check your phone.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
You don't have your phone.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Oh yeah. We have three rules for this Slott party
that we're having. No phones, no money, no hierarchy. These
are the things in society that create anxiety, you know,
And our goal is to create a space to decrease anxiety.
And if we get in decreased anxiety, especially in those
categories around other people, then we increase the chances of vulnerability.

(54:47):
And by increasing vulnerability, then we increase the chances of
authentic connection. And like that's what this whole thing is about,
whether you're being vulnerable, like sharing a story like your
first three some and how it went with somebody, you know,
Like this is the space where you don't have to
whisper at the dinner table, you know, you can just
talk about this freely, explore freely as well. I think

(55:08):
that's another part of it. When you arrive we have
a I mean we've had like the fire spaking area,
but this one we had the Sabari station.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, there was like a huge dom in it. There
was another dome. There's another dome look like the inside
of a disco ball. There is a human, a human
petting zoo.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
What people getting pet? Did you go? I did? I
know you did? You're a little kiddie. Did you have?

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I do a lot of a lot of Were you
a pet or were you a pet? Or a pet?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I was a cat? Okay, but I forgot my ears
at home. It's just disappointing. But yeah, they grew out
of your head.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yeah, but you know, I was like checking it off.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I was all excited to do all the things you're
like first available and then this guy was white man
walks over me the leash.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
And I was like, are you read?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I was like, oh my god, I didn't think this
says sure yeah, uh huh. First of I was like oh.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
And then I told Orlando like quickly, like I don't
think I thought this. He was already it was you
not letting go. He's a nice white man. And I
walked on all fours. He pet me, he fed me carrots, carrots. Yeah,
and so there was some pretzels he got like he
put my drink in a bowl, of course, and he
brushed my hair and he spanked me a little bit.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Did he put water in there?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I put Orlando came and brought me my drink.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, exactly. There was a couple other people out there
that had bowls and I was like, I was in
the pettis as well as like you gonna drink your water.
They looked at me. He's like, I'm a bunny and
that's white claw.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I was trying to talk and he was like, kiddies,
don't talk. I was like, yeah, he was very nice man.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
There was also a mechanical bowl. There was a beautiful
infinity pool with a beautiful view of Los Angeles. It
was pretty warm during the day. Everybody was wearing their shit.
I love an infinity pool me too. I was like
doing a solo swim and if I was swimming then
you know it was warm.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Also, I want to point out that, like I love
at this space that everybody can wear that sexy outfit,
like you have the sexy uh you thought it was
too sexy? Cowgirl, cow, cowboy outfit, cow person outfit. There
were cows there. There was there, remember the cow started
it off.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
It was real right there was.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, yeah, inflated cow costume that then decated and there
were utters, multiple utters. Have you ever seen an erotic
dance with a woman with utters? I would say that
would be a first. So yeah, that was that caught
me by surprise. There was an attempt at the electric slide.

(57:49):
I tried by mess with Michael tried. You know, I
really applied to you for your choreographyographer dream.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah, it was. I spent half of my life in Houston, Texas.
You know, I love Houston. They have rodeos out there,
so it was a little homage to my experience at Houston.
It was great, but the point is they weren't able
to They weren't able to dance. Like, first off, we're
in lost, We're in Los Angeles, so this isn't the

(58:16):
line dancing bunch, you know, and it's like different. The
whole team is like super diverse, right.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I was gonna say, are they black or not?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
No?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
No, no, it's just a diverse team.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I mean it was not a traditional fancy ones that
they be doing.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
They be doing like four extra segul You know, you
don't electric side to the country music though, yes.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
We did, so I had to what happened. What happened
was it was a breaky heart. You know, it's not that.
But the one thing is like they'll all know the
electric side. It's something that we don't have to practice
if you've been to a black wedding, like we're gonna
see who actually you know into black spaces. Uh. And

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there was enough of them that tried to where it was.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
It was like fifty of us.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
It was great. It lasted all of maybe behalf a
circle and we did it was and I really did
enjoy the eye stair exercise.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
What would you say the age range of these parties is?
Is there an age range?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Yeah, it's like, you know, twenty one to forty I
think ninety four percent of the people that attend our
parties are between the age of twenty one and forty five.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Oh wow, that's a big range.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, the average age being like thirty three thirty five.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I mean like the Coors will have the there's a
variety of which generation are you looking for?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
We have a pleth threat. It was it was a
nice amount of people there and then there was a dungeon.
There was sandwiches like what do you.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Say a dungeon. Is it like in the basement, Like,
what is a dungeon?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It was a side of the house. It had a
separate entrance, It was a dark room. There was waterbeds
with cages underneath. There was just a milking station.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I think you call it waterbeds with cages under meet
the waterbed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Like the water bed was on top of the cage.
That seems Oh so you could No, you can on
you can be in the cage.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
It's still a box. You can't see like that. It's
a waterbed, but you could just like when you're you're
on a waterbed or when somebody's in the cage and
like that's you're not seeing what's through. But we did
put mirrors on the side so that if you're in
the cage, you could look up and see the people
on the bed and the people in the bag and
look down what's happening in the cage. But have you
seen a you know what a sybyan is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Nobody knows what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
What we're talking about times before you guys were talking
about earlier. Yeah, please explain, because no, I still don't
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
The whole no, not the hole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It's a sybby.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
He said, this gonna be a four seater sybyan what
let me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Tell you what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
It's it looks like almost like a mechanical bowl, like
it looks like were you put.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Oh is it like those chairs?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Yeah, you straddle on each side. But there's four okay,
so we could be facing each other and it's between us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
There's four.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
What you see that pillow right there? That's that's the pillow.
Like if you were to straddle the piddle, there'd be
a vibrator on top of the pillow right there, like
sticking out no long ways, like like on its side
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Yes, did just like a vibrating thing. A nubre of
these on a bench. So me and three friends could
jump on and there's controls on the side and we go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So this sounds crat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I met a girl on there. I force you to
see you until like twos on it and we were
facing each other and she turned hords on and then
I turned on and I said. We giggled and she said,
I think here's a man. I said, I think so too,
and then we switched and it was great. Well, so
it was teamwork. I never seen one of those before.

(01:01:48):
There was another cage. There's a cage on the bottom
and like a padding on the top, like a mattress
on the top. And I went in the cage. I
did some big cat activities. That big, big activity. I
literally what I thought about big activities.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Oh my god, I can't, Sweetie, one time I get
you on this goddamn show. We're gonna get sweet I
love you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You're watching She's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
That was I mean, that was one. I want to
point out. This is one of our places. If you
go and all this ship ain't there. You know we
got locations.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Well this is a great location. Sorry, I'm going really
deep in. I mean, it just it was vast. There
was live music. At one point I did a promptu
lyrical bellery to dance to live piano classical music while
the pianos was getting getting head. It was beautiful. I
was an activation. I didn't even know it. Michael, this

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is the whole week.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Because that's what you were doing out there. Literally, I was.
It was very real. Yeah, should see your wedding?

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Was hi?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
What was going on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It was extrava putting my hair up on things on
the floor. It was so intense you I would have
been proud. I was like making love to the pianoist.
But he was like a threesum. He was getting head,
he was playing music. I was looking at him, he
was looking he was playing for me. It was so intense.
Do you need to give me his number?

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I can't do that. We actually have an app.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
We were supposed to exchange Instagrams and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Then I left.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
This is this is why we have our app. We
have an application for everybody's there on the app because
you don't have your phones.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
So they can still wait. So you guys can communicate later.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Like after the party, like hey, because our phones were away,
I can find you on the app and like that man,
that that I did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
That activation where I dance in front We made a
three ways threesome in front of your piano.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Please yes, exactly, And it becomes like a better than dancing,
and it's like swiping and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
You can answer. In the case big cat activity, that
was a different cat.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Oh my god, obviously I had a time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
This sounds like damn it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
I was in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I will be your next one. When is your next one?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
We've got to get back the day of I didn't
come back my third you don't know what time?

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Well, what time is it is during the day and ship, Yeah,
it's then the play rent fair renda Renaissance fair?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Are you coming back about the place?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Bitch? Was the one? The one after that is going
to be, I believe like June fifth, that weekends June fifth.
It is the play camp. It's like big camp vibes.
Have you ever a camp? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
One time I went camping in Montana that was great, okay,
and then I camped to Coachell.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
A few times.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
That was so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I mean, it's still this sounds like it might be better.
What's the sleep situation? Like, are there mattresses or is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
It blow me up?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Mattress blow up? I wish I could describe the inside
of the place to you with the mattresses.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Oh, I mean, I mean I love mattresses.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
I think that there are mattresses.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
They were yes, sleeping back. No, we'll have like some
tints set up for people who want to spend the night.
You know, we're gonna We're gonna make it. This will
be our first one where people can spend the night.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Wow, that's gonna be a little mystical little sorry is
going to I'm not gonna say coach was horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It's horrible because now I would never do it, but
when I was young, and because we were sleeping on
the floor like the background.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah, not even the backseat of the car, Like what
the no?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You couldn't you have to know. Wait, let's talk about
your coach experience camping if you camped.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
But yeah, but I mean you're not sleeping like on
well okay, if you have you have a tint with Okay,
I thought you were like sleeping outside on the ground
like damn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
However, whatever I was going, you know, I was seventeen,
I really give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Okay, fair enough, pay nothing dollars because I was sneaking
in so Aria.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
You know, I second to Coachella for four years straight.
She's like mom, and I was like, why am I
telling my daughter this? I'm cool? I told her exactly,
how you want to?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Oh yeah, so two of us would there'd be two
people that need a ticket, so we would all so
technic wasn't free, but we'd all split the price of
these two tickets, so there would be like ten of us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
So then we would have two people go in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
One person would take off their wristband and bring it
out and then go give it and we just keep
doing that over and over and overtook.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Anyway, what I was saying about until like last year,
it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I love hearing your.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
If you guys have not listened to our very classic
Coachella episodes, I implore you to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
It's called Momchella. It's a series.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
It's very important, and Momlla it is very important journalism
and life telling experiences that must be heard. But I
will say when I was the camping site at night,
was fucking at bit raging. It was just like i'
mean also granted I was on drugs, was very much

(01:07:12):
on drugs, but only the good kind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
And it was just like a fairy tale land. It
felt like it was just the lighting. There were swings,
like there was like fire blowers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
There were like tents with music obviously and obviously like
I'm assuming this is going to be similar to the vibe,
but it just like you know, you come alive at
that time at night, and so when you're in camp,
which is so playful, I mean, it's just I don't
know it's a recipe for it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
And then it's just you keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
I've been fortunate to go to a bunch of festivals,
and I think that's the vibe I'm trying to bring
to the play instead of making it a party, because
there's a lot of play parties out there, and it's
you know, these four hour experiences. You get there at ten,
you know you leave it too. This party was a
ten hour experience.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yes it was, and you have the first two I
stay for I think nine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
I mean yeah, I'm gonna say because I remember see
it eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Oh wow, Yeah, I mean yeah, because once you're in it, Yeah,
we're in it. Where we're here? Where are we gonna be?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
So what what ends up happening is you know everybody
is allowed to bring like a bag or you bring
a coat. You know, we have a bag coach check.
So in the bag we encourage everybody just like bring
something for the space. It's it's I don't know if
you guys have been to Burning Man yet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Oh my friend Jared is a Burner.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Have you guys gone to Bernie Man yet?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Oh my goodness, you would love it. Shout out to
the black Burners. You know, there's a whole organization and
meeting up with black people. There's like there's a time,
and you hear it from other black people at Bernie Man.
They're like, we're gonna meet up Thursday after set.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Maybe, So I feel like we're late now though. Bernie
Mans still like what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
It's never not going to be a thing. It's got
every festival you could imagine inside of it. The creativity
is the currency.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
And yeah, that's what I remember and recalling, like all
the pictures that I would see and just the burning many.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
So what ends up happening is because you have, you know,
a lot of people who are just creative in our space,
because we're for the artists. You know, fire throwers are happening.
Like you were in the play space. I was in
the playspace, you know, and I mean we were there
when they're out the window. Yes, exactly. Like there's a
big play space where a bunch of people.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
There's like literally sorry to cut, there's like huge beds,
high up mattresses behind the DJ. So the j is
just spinning. The people just behind them just suck it,
and there's there's ceiling to floor windows and Orlando's like
behind me, like like me and I look over to
the window and it's like someone in the in the
window playing with fire, Like what time is it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Like caual the fire?

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Who Then three minutes later and they go away and
somebody another guy comes like I'm like, there's another fire.
They did fucking ten fifty seven. There's hot muffins ready, yeah,
Like I didn't know I wanted to warm and right
now at ten fifty nine. But whoever's on the queue,
everybody's on quell.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
I mean, that's that's the cool part about being on
my team and shout out to the play team. Like
we call them the dream team because we're really making
dreams come true over here. And with all of them,
like you know, I like to think, you know, they're
they're party oh G's. You know, there's some people that
are just party o G's in your circle, you know.
I find a lot of them from different cultures around America,

(01:10:23):
and they also will have like some speciality in the space.
But when they all bring a little bit of magic
and you start seeing it pop up, it inspires everybody
else like, well everybody's doing it, you know, and then
they start performing. Then you just get these random moments
where you know, I sit My favorite part of every
party is when we're like three fources of the way

(01:10:45):
into the party and you take a step back and
there's like a couple two couples meditating. You know, there's
like a seven person massage line in the jacuzzie. You know,
like there's a man playing the violin and then there's
like a woman doing ballet in front of them. Uh,
there's a pile of ten people over there, exactly your situation.

(01:11:05):
Like there's a pilot of ten people over there and
they're all playing. You know. Then there's right next to
them as a cuddle puddle, and there's they're clearly having
a deep conversation. You know. It's like you're seeing all
of these elements of pleasure exactly. And that's why it's
called the play because these these are the ways we
can play with each other and not just the physical
like and being an adult in playing as well. You know,

(01:11:27):
was the last time we have a fire station where
you can get a fire spanking, you know, and you
just go over there. They put some bubbles in like
boom or they put it in your hand so you
can you can experiment with it. But it's like we
see these things, and we want to interact. Where's the
spaces where we can interact? So I think that's what
makes us unique from other parties is like the performance

(01:11:47):
aspect of it. I'm trying to bring this into like
a potential festival, you know, get it bigger, make it
have that festival vibe very.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Much, festival vibes. This is a festival sex party. I
can see that. Yeah, And it was fun and it
was beautiful and aesthetically pleasing and everybody, you know, it
was just with the vibes. I felt what you're trying
to convey. It was very clear and the energy, and
I appreciated the execution. I know how I'm sure how

(01:12:15):
much refinement it took team effort, and so I could
definitely appreciate all of the the ease that it was coming.
As just a you know, a patron, it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Means the world for you to say that thank you
for just visiting this space. Really poured my heart into it.
And then also just as a woman of color, thank
you for coming to my space. Absolutely we you know,
being from Los Angeles, I wanted to create a space
that felt like Los Angeles. A lot of these spaces
like yes, they're white or everybody's just kind of playing

(01:12:46):
with the race. It's like we've got the Latino party
over here at the black party, you know, and then
the rich white ones and all these other you know,
there's a variety of them. But when I go to
those parties, like this doesn't look like Los Angeles, right.
Los Angeles has so much more activity and artistry in it.
It's not just oh you look good and you you
know you have this status like I love this city,

(01:13:10):
you know, I love the city and the artist that
it has in it. And you know, people came here
to express themselves, people coming from all around the world
to express themselves. So having a place like the play
where it's like that side talent, maybe you act here,
do a scene, you know, like go ahead, just not
like not the thirty minute monologue. You know what I'm
talking to. But point is is just you know, creating

(01:13:33):
a space for freedom of expression and vulnerability and connection.
That's that's what we're trying to we're trying to do.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Do you have an affirmation for us today?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Michael's washing the smokes. No with it's it's like with
unconditional love. It's it's not anxiety, the presence of anxiety.
Oh well, you know there was a really good one.

(01:14:11):
Maybe okay, but I think just honestly, like a gratitude overall. Uh,
it's been an amazing experience being able to host this,
it's been a super challenging one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I think that's affirmation gratitude overall.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Yeah, just I'm I'm able to do it, you know,
and not too many people have that opportunity or going
to get that shot if I am, I'm I'm going
to do my best in this space though, to make
it one that's like welcoming creative and finding ways for
for everybody to to explore, you know, because we don't

(01:14:51):
we don't just do the parties. We have workshops. We
were just telling you all about the the scuirt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Shop, all right, that hurts shop. It's a squirt shop.
I thought that was maybe an activation at the party
that is going to I overheard a call that Michael
was on saying they're gonna water color using squirt.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
We're gonna, yes, we're gonna. They're gonna be a score shop.
Once you learn the techniques, uh and technique, Yeah, you
learn all the different techniques to make yourself squirt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
And then your first squirt ever you can use.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
You could take the water, you could take the squirts
the squirt, yes exactly, you know, into a little cup,
and then we're gonna allow people to do some water
kind of paintings with it. So when you put it
up at your house, we were like, what is that? Like?
Funny story?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Actually the Squirre class, what is there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Why am I so drawn to this success?

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Because decided aiming.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
How this this person did a performance one time. I've
been trying to do this performance for a year, but
you have to find the right person. And she is
known as the Squirter, And so I think.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Of the squirter. Do you guys remember the porns star cytherea.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
No no, she was I love I was, I loves
fun fact.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
You love what squirre porn. It's like, I'm not. I
kind of retired from it a while ago, but every
now and then I got to run squirt.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
It's like you see yourself in the film.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
But I just I see like the I think, I
like how free everyone like you just like leave. You
look like you've fully allowed yourself to leave, and so
that turns me on. But anyway, she's known as.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Look, I've seen I've seen some squirters in my day,
but somebody was like kind of known as that person,
and I was like, let's let's see. Uh So here's
the idea. We would have watercolor paper with blots of
water color on it, and then she would squirt onto
the paper and there'd be a bunch of paint brushes
around and then people from the crowd can just paint

(01:16:57):
while she's squirting onto it. That was the idea, you know.
And there's a lot of times I'm just writing these
ideas down. This is my favorite part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
See it. That's literally us. Every day we're like and said,
we wrote it down and then we did it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
So one day I was like, okay, hear me out.
What if we used the squirre to then make this painting.
Then everybody's painting it. It's this piece that we all
created with pleasure. Like ah, so she ends up. You know,
we've got the whole crowd. It's our biggest party of
the year. Playground of the gods like this is the one,

(01:17:33):
you know, the Catalina one god. Yeah, the playground of
the gods, Like this is the one where I do,
like all of my best ideas, we save them, you know,
and this was this was the one. I was like,
let's go. So we ended up having like three spots,
you know, because I was like, hey, we don't like

(01:17:55):
we got one person for sure, but like I love
going to the crowd, Like you didn't know that you
were going to perform?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Are you a squirter? Is anyone a squirter in the house?

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Is anybody else want to square? And so there was
one other persons was like I would you know, I'm like, yes,
I told you. I was looking about you. Thank you,
because you know, there's sometimes where we don't get the people,
you know, so it's it's always interesting to see like

(01:18:24):
where they bite or what you know, so they end
up she you know, the person ended up coming up,
but she was having like stays right, yes, stays right,
and we get that doesn't matter. It's okay, thank you. Anyways,
we appreciate your courage, you know. Now the squirre person

(01:18:45):
like she just erupted to where it went over the table,
you know, like it just directly the crowd. You know.
It's just like I was been I mean, she just
she it was just out there was like, oh my god,
like I haven't I haven't seen this before. I didn't
I have any preparation for this, Like, did y'all know what?
I was like this too, so we should? It ends

(01:19:07):
up like you know, it recedes and then it gets
onto the paper and then like everybody rushes in and
is doing it. And then she's like it's a whole scene.
And then it got to what within her, like the
person she was seeing at the time got involved, and
I remember he just like puts his face up, gets
like it's gets scored on his face, and then just

(01:19:29):
rubs it across the painting. I was like, I was like, bro,
we had a pretty good piece before, boyfriend. Yeah, like
we had a bunch of these strokes that we had
from It was just one of those times and we
saw it was like, hey, was a freak's a moment. Okay,

(01:19:49):
yeah exactly. They're clearly gonna do something later like we'll
just give you all that picture.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Yeah, well that takes the lesson there is that you
need to easels ready to canvas.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Oh yeah, all to say, it's like what we're gonna
do now is we're gonna put you know, tarp down
for just the whole squirt shop goggles.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
It's a whole stand in the back of your own risk.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
But yeah, that's July twentieth. I'm a cancer. Yeah, uh
dragon signed for the Chinese New Year Shoutout China.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
I'm a dragon cancer too.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Oh dope, Okay, specially it is the thing. It is
a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
But there was a crazy you guys are asking for
a crazy story.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yes, I got so caught up in the water colors.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Yes, ther that wasn't the Horry. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
So I had such trouble with this question when you
send it, I was like, what does like what do
you mean my horri Like what is my I'm jaded.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I heard you in there like asking your wife like babe,
what is there a story?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Yeah? Yeah, like maybe maybe you're seeing my blind spot here,
Like I don't let you know. Uh. So I had
I called my ex girlfriend. I called my wife and
I was like, yo, is there was there something like
a time where I was just Horry Horry and they
were there was one time where it was just like
a time period where they were both like out of
the country, you know, they're both like traveling, and I was, uh,

(01:21:27):
I have my phone on me at the time, I
had my my wife and then my my girlfriend at
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Okay, you guys were together relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Yes, you were. It was you know, it's a it
was not a triad. It was like me and the
girlfriend and me and my wife, and then they're just
happened to be best friends, which is like, it's a
gift and a curse.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Were you guys together or.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
No, no, separate. It was separate, but they were friends,
you know, and like you it's it's a gift and
a curse. Like it's great, like I'm happy that everybody
is having a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Feel left out, not left out, but like everyone's talking
about you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
It's just when it comes to like, you know, telling
me about myself, having two people tell me about myself
and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Conspiring and they're being like, doesn't he do that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
And your wife she's still your girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
No, no, no, we broke up like a year ago.
She's with another partner, moveing to a besa you know,
very very happy for that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
So do they have them did they give you any
ideas you and this is what was happening you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Guys, and they were like they were like when you're
actually like a whore. Was when you know, we went
out of town. You had like a date every day
until we got back, and I was like, well everyone relaxed,
hear me out. You know, like dealing with both of
y'all all the time can be a you know, point
is it's it's difficult. There's not like, oh man, if
you were in a one on one relationship or a

(01:22:55):
two one run relationship, like it gets easier. Like they
all have their difficulties here. But I think there there's
been birthdays that have been kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
About. Tell me about one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
There was one in Seattle. Sleepless in Seattle, we call
it sleepless. Well, you know, what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
The fuck are you doing? Give me the deep it was.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
It was my uh girlfriend and my wife at the
time went up to visit a friend and his partner
and just had a time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Wait you guys, you went as well, yes, okay, you
and your girlfriend and your wife went up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
To go visit the friend and his partner and his
partner who were also in the community in Seattle. So
we're like, let us show you the Seattle scene and
like the whole thing. So it was just a really
fun you know weekend, So you have a good four
quadruples five if we all play, if if we played,
you know, I don't know what happened in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I think I want to say this is a horror story.
It's a very vague one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
It was just so wildly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
They just got wild and so wild.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
I don't know how much you're allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
To say for everything. That's the whole point. Good Month's
bat Choices.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Come on, come on, come on, blood, sex and magic.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Come on. You see my tits are hanging. You know,
I went to your sex part.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Okay, so we got so okay, So this is uh,
you know, this is one of my brothers, like he
he shares my birthday, so you know, it's like already.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
You know, so cancer is a little quirker.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
And so we just went up and it was it
was just a whole vibe. Like as soon as we
got there, we did the They have like these jacuzzie
boats out there. I've always wanted to do a jacuzie boat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
And you go in the boat and there's the boat
is just a jacuzzi.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Exactly like the boat is just there's no boat. It's
jacuzzie that you're driving. You're driving a Jacuzzie on the
lake exactly all this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
I was like, we're getting one.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Well, we're doing it right away.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
We're going to Seattle, specifically in Seattle. Everyone always I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Was like, wait, there's other coastal places that I've been
to and like Jacuzzi boat time, look for it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
I mean, it's just the water's got to be colder,
so you know, the Pacific. You know, we're in Los Angeles,
they need it. You can't get in that with a
lot of a Jacuzzie boat out of the marina business
out of marina, tell right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Go on Facebook marketplace, build a boat around it, one
for a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Jaz the guy like saw us and he was like,
all right, guys, no partying on the boats. And we
just look back, like, bro, we are about to sure
have to come get us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
In the ocean along the lake in a boat in
the jacuzzi.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
The Jacuzi Jacuzzi boat experience was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Wow. It must have been like a movie. I could
see it right like an orgy, that Jacuzi.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Boat, depending on what you define orgy. But you know
it was that we are we we played and say
that you know, I just I don't want to get
into the SPI. I respect it, you know, but I'll
say that whole weekend was just like these different situations.
Now we're like in the I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Would imagine that your personal sex life is quite cinematic
if this is what you do for a living, and
like you enjoy creating experiences and you care about the aesthetic,
because we also are some aesthetic bitches as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
That's why I appreciated the party. I was like, you know,
if I I I if I was gonna do it,
like this is how you do it big. It's like
a Hollywood sex party. I felt like it was very beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
I will say it's like it's one of the Yes,
there's some cinematic moments, and what I've learned like the
less you say about it, the more likely to happen,
you know, like overall, but there's just been some some
some crazy moments. And I think the other thing is
like what I've learned over time in this space is like,

(01:26:51):
you know, telling my friends about these crazy experiences. It's
like they're just they're happening. It's like I got to
tell somebody, like you know, and you kind of go
to somebody, but eventually it can. It can breed resentment
and jealousy. Maybe they're not at that place in their
life yet. And that's not my purpose. My purpose is like, man,
I wish you could have been there, you know, not
like I can do this and you can't. You know.

(01:27:12):
So when it comes to telling stories and stuff, I
try to just not brag.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
About your sex and everybody lot.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Most people are having togger. So I'm just having so
much great, amazing creative sex over here, like I already
told yours, I already want.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
This is not this is Some people are really good
with their vanilla. I'm not vanilla me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Just some people do just like regular missionary.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
I mean I like it like that too. Yeah, I'm
saying like I think that there's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Yeah, balan, everybody has their own flavor. Take your time,
you know. All I'll say is like, at least go
check it out, though, Yeah, you know it's like just
you go. You know, you go to Broadway, you go
to like different types of shows, you go to festivals, like,
at least check it out. You can go to a
sex or even still respect your boundaries and not play
with anybody there. But you could see something sexy and
fun and adult, and it may it may spark a

(01:28:08):
lot of couples. Who will they say, we're only going
to play with each other. That's our boundary. So a
lot of couples go in like that and then they
just get to see like, oh wow, like I didn't
even know that was the thing, you know, like, oh,
that's what that looks like when it's played out in
front of my face. Right, here's some toys and tools
that I never even knew existed. Like, so when you
put yourself in those spaces, you just are learning more

(01:28:31):
in in the sex space, you know something. Just don't
limit yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Your people explore their music tastes, their food tastes, like
all these different tastes that we have boundaries around certain things.
And granted it's you explore it. If it's not for you,
it's not for you. But the point is is like
staying open and specifically in sex, is that there's so
much shame, so really evaluating.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Why it is that you feel so uncomfortable with this this, Oh,
I got my affirmation. The presence of shame is the
apps sense of unconditional love.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
The presence of shame is the absence of unconditional love.
I told you to come back to you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
There it goes. The last thing I want to talk
to you guys about, because I think it's important for
people to talk about. And it's a word that not
everybody understands. Compersion. Compersion, Yes, compersion is being able to
experience joy for some experiencing joy, and that is compersion.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Can't you hear that I have and I have compersion,
but being able, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
And I try to explain to people like if you
have children.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
And that compersion doesn't relate to sex, okay exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
So you have children and they're out there on the
swing set, you know, they're on the playground, experiences happy,
I'm perfect, you know, great, you know, But then when
it comes to that same unconditional love for a partner, right,
it's like, oh no, only it's limited to this person.
Can expand for my children, you know, so deeply and

(01:30:09):
in immense, and but for my part it's it can
only be for one person. So I think it's just
when it comes to compersion, really practicing that that's at
the core of this whole thing. It's just whether I'm
bringing my my wife's joy or someone else is giving
her joy. The fact that my wife is experiencing joy,

(01:30:30):
I love her so unconditionally that like, I'm just so
happy that you're happy. Like this existence is hard, and
just if whoever's making you smile, like that's that's what
I'm here for. Do you guys have like rules or
you kind of just absolutely absolutely? I mean when we
started off, there's like we just we had the Nine Commandments,
you know, that's where we started off. How even tie

(01:30:53):
that to religion? Like, but we just had our nine
commandments of like okay, like here the main thing that
we at that time, here is where our boundaries started.
So you know, no sleeping over, you know, like there's
this is the curfew if you were to do this,
like right now, we only play in the same room.
You know, right now we're only playing with each other.
At one point, there was just we're just playing with

(01:31:14):
each other, and maybe if we both give each other
a green light for somebody else then has to still
be in the same room, you know. So like there's
little things as we and then no matter what in
this space, your boundaries evolve. That's the one thing that
first off, that's the one thing that's constant has changed,
you know, just like your sexuality. But all to say

(01:31:35):
is like you start some things that bothered you at
once don't bother you anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Did you say that?

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Yeah, I just like I started crawling down as he
was talking. I was like, am I high?

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Or is that a spine?

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Would you say that in your journey that you've had
a you've had to you said, you get, you evolve
in your boundaries. How has the journey been with your partner,
like as far as communication, because yeah, because we've we
had Actually shout out to Kenya.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Smith, Stevens Stevens and Stevens Stevens. Yeah, shout out to
Kenya Stevens.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
She she's pollyamorous. She's been very open about her relationship.
For that, I think she was like the first black
couple that ever came out like thirty years ago. They
didn't come out thirty years ago, but they came out many, many.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Many years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
She has a very beautiful community, pollyamorous coach, and she
was she has four husbands and she has multiple boyfriends
and she's pollio g like she's out here, been doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I'm Polly Pocky, Polly baby Polly, But I don't think.
I think people just think that you step into this
agreement or this lifestyle or whatever you want to call it,
and you're just automatically an expert at it because you
both have compersian and like I like to see people,
I like to see you have joy. I see you

(01:32:58):
have joy too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Okay, there's never going to be any time in which
your joy feels like a threat to me or like
at any point and whatever. Just working through not even
a threat, but just working through those those feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
You you're hitting it on that. I mean, this is
I can understand the concept of compersion and still feel jealous,
you know, and so you just work with yourself and
being able to identify I'm feeling jealous right now, Okay,
like what is actually making me jealous? You know what?
What is what's coming up for me? You know? Underneath Yeah,

(01:33:33):
underneath that jealousy, what's the insecurity that I really need
to face, we really need to talk through. And I
think that's what I love about, you know, the couples
and just the individuals and the lifestyle in general. They're
just so much more open for deeper conversation about like
not just sexuality. But I think just like a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Fluid, I mean where they're at moment by moment, Yeah,
as it changes, you know, And I think that that's
often like our insecurity is that we're supposed to be
completely one way all the time or else like we're
unstable or or there's like they're insecure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
But I think it's natural for things to come up
and for you to face things and and that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Yeah. And when we first started, like there'd be plenty
times where, you know, when my partner hooked up with
somebody else for the first time, you know, I was like,
it took me like six months to get over that.
I remember three months and I was like, I'm over it.
And then like when I look back, like a year,
I was like, damn, it took me like six months. Really,
Like you hear a sound like this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
She hasn't made that sound with me, Hey, nigga, but
how did you make that?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
May make that sound?

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
There? Done, That's definitely a story there. And and there's
been times where you know, I think like when let's
say someone makes your partner squirt. I've seen this before, right,
your partner squirts, and it's like, oh, my god, I
wasn't the one that made the squirt. Oh my, like, ah,

(01:34:59):
somebody else did it, you know. And but what I've
also seen is, you know, the person that made them
score be like, hey, let me show you, right, And
then when that person does squirt with their partner and
they also have that connection, that deeper connection, it's way
more and it's a lot louder, and it's a whole
you know, and then they get to now that they

(01:35:20):
know that trick. Now you guys are doing this on
your own time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Now you've got enough gifts gift.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Yeah, And there's so and that's the beauty of the spaces,
like you just keep exploring, you know. It's like I'm
I'm gonna just try this, Like I don't know if
I like it or not. I remember the first time
somebody flogged me, you know, and they flogged me. I
was like, nope, Okay, there's there's other you know, there's

(01:35:46):
other people that like it, you know, and there's some
you know, black people who I've seen who like it.
But it's like that's a whole nother trauma relay, right exactly.
There is there's that, but it is it's just being
open you know, at the end of it. And then
the ethical honesty, Yeah, the honesty honestly, which is also

(01:36:09):
means being honest with yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
So my last question, because we talked this all started
with us asking you about your journey and you saying
that it started with not being honest. How even after
your partner and your partner decided to get into this,
how did honesty ever come up again? Like was it
still challenging? Did you actually going against going to relearn
like that reflex of just or like not even relearn it,

(01:36:33):
just learn it in general of like what what when
your default.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Is it hurts even it hurts even more. I'll tell
you that it hurts even more when the times I've
been in this space and lie to my partner, it's
like you can talk about anything. Why would you you
know or why would you do that action?

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Well, then it's like then you realize it's not it's
like something else.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Exactly, And then I got I'd be like, why what
is the thing? Like, you know, why do you need
to like, you know, the the kink of being sneaky
You're right, you know, then you got that little kink
of being sneaky, you know, do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
It's like a little human to want to like withhold
things for yourself, like even in this realm, even or to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Be naughty, to like to like doubt, to like debt,
like die, Like I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
If I consider it naughty. It's just like some shit
is just for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
But I get that we've made this agreement. It is
an agreement. It is an agreement. I don't I'm not
donting cheating, Okay, I'm just hear me out. I'm just saying, like, maybe, okay,
maybe if it's not related to sex, it feels different
because sex feels like such a it's the most powerful
frequency in the world, and we're agreeing to share in
that space.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
But I think innately maybe because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
If you because if you withhold something that's just for you,
that's like something that happened when you, like you ran
in you know, you opened a book and it's something
that your grandfather told you and it's very deep. Maybe
you withhold that because it's just something that you understood, Like,
I don't know. But then if it's something that has
to do with sexual maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Sex and love are not supposed to be put in
these boxes and it's supposed to feel like just you
can be completely honest and sharing. I think that's maybe
the human flower programming that we've told ourselves that we're
supposed to live in the dark.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
In some way, part of it is is pushing those
boundaries and making those mistakes, you know, doing that lie
and then what did that lie teach you? What did
you learn from that line?

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Or isn't that because sex and love are not supposed
to be in boundaries like it's supposed to be boundless.
You're not supposed to have rule over whatever, like it
shouldn't be like I think we are free into the
realms that were like, but if you do this, you
should tell me first. And we find ourselves resisting that
because love and sex and chemistry and how your body

(01:38:44):
feels is so not methodical. I can't be like cold
that thought one second, Hey babe, you know we could.
It seems that simple. But like time and time again,
we find ourselves in situations where I mean, not like
me specifically, but you find yourself and see, I know
how yourself in situations where things just fall in and

(01:39:05):
then you find yourself explaining yourself and what did you
lie about? Sneaky to be like the kink being sneaky
or is it that it's not something that is it
supposed to be? Actually that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
That's the whole. It's funny because I like on my team,
like I tell him like, look, I'm not I'm not
hooking up with anybody on the team, you know. But
like if I say that, right, I can I just
tell people like, hey, guys, I wouldn't hook up with
anybody on the team. But it's on you because the
second I'm like, hey, don't hook up with anybody on
the teams, Like now I've given them a kink and

(01:39:34):
myself a kink everybody, just so I don't have to
think of I'm gonna with them, I'm going to you
know what I mean. So it's like you got to
allow people those freedoms to be like, hey, guys, if
I were you, you know, things can get weird between
deep But man, this has been This has been great.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
I've really enjoyed getting high with you, Michael and picking
your brain. You're recanting my story my very for unique
festival play party experience.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Speaking of picking, I think it's time for tarot time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Okay, what's tarot cars?

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
What does it look like to you, what do you
what do you see? When you look?

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Looks rather phallic.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
I see uh, I see the Kanye West album Dark
Fantasy because.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Of that cloud.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
In the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Means, the Ace of Swords marks a wave of new
energy from the intellectual realms. You may be on the
verge of a significant breakthrough or a new way of
thinking that allows you to view the world with clear eyes.
Or you may have a sudden realization or conscious understanding
about an issue that has been troubling you and can
finally see the path ahead of you. Meditate regularly to

(01:41:08):
clear away for mental from mental chatter and make the
most of this intellectual potential. It's a sign of encouragement.
It says mind is an expansion mode. You're open to
embracing new ideas, craving stimulation, and you'll jump at the
next opportunity to learn something new. You thrive on new ideas, inspiration,
original thinking, and vision, and you are excited to pursue

(01:41:31):
new opportunities that draw upon the creative intellectual abilities. Sounds
like Michael from the play Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Sounds like that scorteshop to me, sounds.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Like fel like I feel like the devout Christians are
going to see that's see, he's going to turn to
Jesus soon.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
The Christians, the devout Christians, have already given up on
good amount of choices. They don't think they're trying to think.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
So no, thank you that card that card fell fell
really good. I love this space that Shall have created.
I say this, you know, during for every podcast, like
just thank you for what you're doing, Like this is
the real work. This is when people are like, oh,
you guys just talk about Yeah, you guys are talking

(01:42:14):
about it and being about it. You're having these hard
conversations that are allowing others and inspiring them to have
the conversations because this is how you have it. Here's
here's some language to use while you're having that conversation.
So you know, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I feel grateful to be in in company of creators
and people that want to push the boundaries and understanding
that making people uncomfortable is actually where the change and
the expansion happens. And also when it's coupled with play
and pleasure and healing and just really experiencing life at

(01:42:54):
a ten you know, And I think like that's what
we're We've been committed to and that's what we're encouraging
people to be committed to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
And it sounds like that's what you're doing. So yeah, nigga,
we're doing We made it made we made it how
other people where they could fight.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
The play dot l a is the website at the
play dot l a is the instagram. My Instagram, I
just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
You be putting it out. You don't. No one's forcing you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
To do anything. My instagram is Michael Hollis.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
I don't know here it is.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
I don't know. Thank you for the shut up, but
but yeah, my instagram, that's my instagram. You know, check
out the art. Check out the art. If you're feeling courageous,
you know, submitt an application. Refer this show as as
the application. Try something new and it's not for everybody,

(01:43:57):
but at least you can say you tried it. Mm hmm.
Don't got to be mine. Just anything out there. Like,
my encouragement is to explore your sexuality more, try to
connect more with people. This is the whole point of
what I'm trying to do. Like, at its fucking core,
it's just because of technology. And just where we're headed.

(01:44:19):
We're in front of screens all the time, we're in
these boxes. You know, it feels it's feeling more and
more alone, you know, and having these spaces where people
can connect on connect vulnerably, you know, naked, half dressed,
expressing themselves artistically, like this is where I really want

(01:44:44):
to I would I'd like to experience connection and and
having the option that if if we really do connect deeply,
like we can be physical with it too. And that's
and that lasted in that moment though, I'm so happy
I got to experience you, this dope ass human. You
know that our ancestors all led us to this moment

(01:45:07):
and we get to connect.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Like that and shame and just joy and pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
Yeah, and then go your separate ways. But the clubs
and everything, you know, like the clubs right now, it's
just loud music's dark lights. You know, don't get me something.
Beats are dope, but.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Like you know, a curated experience that's like built with
intention is always going to benefit you long term. I
want to be in spaces that when I leave, like
it keeps going, like the medicine keeps going, It keeps
serving me in a way that has like actually benefited
my life instead of just drained everything from me, wasted
my time, my energy, and now I'm hungover and fucking
pissed off because I'm taking care of my daughter and

(01:45:45):
she's crying.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
You guys, are you guys are doing it with your retreat? Yeah,
you know you're creating these spaces in these ways for
people to connect, you know. So it's it's it's an
honor to be amongst amongst you. And I hope the
retreat is dope. I've heard good things. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah, you gotta come, you and your partnership come to
our couples have to come to our couples retreat. It's
in June.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
It's actually the week after your party. Okay, Yeah, maybe
a little celebration for the party.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
That would be really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Actually, Yeah, so it's June fourteenth. If you guys are
listening to and you have a couple or a situation ship.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
If you're in a poly relationship, we can accommodate that too.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Yeah, and know what, ILL on the gate backrom you're invited.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Make sure you check out the good vibera treat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
I'll leave the link in this episode description but the
dates are June fourteenth through the nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
It's gonna also be my birthday. We're gonna be in
the Caribbean side of Costa Rica. It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
We have some pretty amazing couples coming, including hopefully you
where can the people? Oh yourself? People can find you?
I guess is that it? That's it? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
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Bad Choices, follow us on YouTube, subscribe to our podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
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Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
I love everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Please.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
Yeah, I'm living so good. Can't you tell? I went
through a drought?

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
That's until I find out well, may.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Might have been known earth. I used to be broken
tail now got the blues, dancing like Beyonce, jaw throat
shot or pop in this coy wearing our voices. Patriarchy
kept it in the box to what's Floid's women put
the pe and powers. So what's pointing? Do they want
me to be good? So I made bad choices. Bad mom,
not a bad mom, but a bad mom.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Gitter's in on put cannabis.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
In their bath. Bon walked in Bossu's cap, and I
blew his cat, boss hot dog.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Now I'm immune to.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
The cat called Herbie and no waisted straight to it
like a dollar sign. Mother, rent the number? When to it?

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
It's like a water Sorry you're in the winter resential
will when the summertime.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
I do what doll ain't no one that needs to
run it by

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