September 15, 2025 • 56 mins
This week, Granger and AntMan take on a headline that sounds like it belongs in a science fiction movie: Bill Gates has been promoting the idea of an electronic tattoo that could one day replace smartphones. The guys dig into what this technology might mean, how it could change everyday life, and why so many people connect it to the biblical idea of the mark of the beast.
They talk through the practical side of tech shifts we’ve all experienced, from paper boarding passes to biometric scans, and ask what it would look like if people could no longer buy, sell, or even travel without adopting the latest invention. At the same time, they keep the focus on Scripture, pointing out the difference between using technology and turning it into an idol.
The conversation is both serious and lighthearted, with moments of laughter as they imagine the strange possibilities of nanotech tattoos. But at its heart, the episode reminds listeners that salvation isn’t about avoiding a device or a system—it’s about where your worship and trust are placed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New information coming out and it's kind of all over
the place of Bill Gates has this new idea that
apparently he's been in works for a while. It's a
tattoo embedded into your skin that is nanotechnology. It will
replace smartphones, he says, as soon as twenty thirty would
you get this tattoo? And more importantly, as we think
(00:21):
through it with a biblical lens, is it demonic? Discussing
that right now? So this is fascinating. Is Bill gates
(00:42):
new electronic tattoo demonic? Oh? Surprise surprise, Bill Gates is
in the news again with something controversial. This came from
an email.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, in surprise surprise.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
People want to talk more about end times and Mark
at the Beast and things.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That could be literally what's two episodes ago? Yeah, was
Market the Beast. So if anyone's coming in there just
now jumping into this, this is gonna be a really
good conversation, I hope at least. Yeah, And you might
want to just pause right now and go watch the
Market the Beast episode we did two weeks ago and
then come back to this one. That's probably a pretty
(01:20):
good prep I think we're gonna we're gonna get in
a little bit of market the Beast today again, but
we'll kind of build off what we talked about last time.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, I was gonna say that at least it would
kind of start where that one finished. As far as
the conclusion from that one, Yeah, to have a conversation
here about this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, So we'll get to that. And so this
came from an email. If you want to email anything
you want. Any topic could be anything, could be end
of Times or it could be having trouble with my girlfriend.
We're gonna look at this through a biblical worldview. The
podcast email is podcast at grangersmith dot com. Podcast at
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grangersmith dot com. That's where we're getting the one today.
What's this guy's name, Seth?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is Seth.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, Seth brings up a fascinating topic. What you got?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He said, Hey, Granger, A buddy of mine sent me
this article about Bill Gates saying smartphones could be replaced
by something called the electronic tattoos. I'll be honest, it
kind of blew my mind. The idea is that instead
of carrying an actual phone, you'd have this tattoo on
your skin that can track your health, let you pay
for things and even connect to the Internet. On the
(02:24):
other hand, it sounds like something straight out of a
sci fi movie.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
On the other hand, I couldn't help but wonder if
it ties to what Revelation talks about with the market
of the Beast. I don't want to jump to conclusions,
but it's hard not to think about those verses when
you hear about tech that goes under your skin and
controls so much of your daily life.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thanks for always tackling these kind of questions with a
level head and faith filled perspective.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Seth from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
South Carolina. Seth, this is not the first time I've
heard this. Actually, I got a text when is this date?
On August to twenty fifth, I got a text from
my brother Tyler who sent this article to me and
my other brother Parker. It's an MSN article, yeah, and
(03:14):
it's the headline is Bill Gates declares the end of
the smartphone era and unveils its surprising replacement. So there's,
you know, this picture of Bill Gates and his tuxedo
and his microphone, and this article kind of walks through
what an electronic tattoo is with you and I had
(03:35):
to kind of figure out a little bit more. And
it talks about the decline of the smartphones. I think
you had in your notes aunt that What did it
say that fifteen years we're looking at the end of smartphones?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah? About that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I also saw another article that said as early
as twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wow, we would be five years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Comply, yeah, four and some change years away from no
more smartphones as being the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I could see someone adopting this idea in four years
or less. Think about how quickly chat GPT picked up.
I don't see. I mean, I don't see everyone, everyone,
or even a majority going away from a smartphone in
less than four years. Because that's agree, that's a quick
adoption of something of new tech. And listen, I adopt
(04:29):
new tech quickly. I like trial and error. I like
figuring things out. And you know, even with equipment that
we use here in this room to do this podcast,
I was a quick adopter. Road who does the recording
machine that we hear have here. They came out with
new stuff for the newest one, which is now a
few years old. But I thought, well, if it really
(04:51):
can do that, and that machine, that's worth the money.
Because it was the old one plus a few other
pieces of equipment. So if the new one can do
that all one, I want to try that out. And
it's it's proven to be really good.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I think most people probably do that. It's fewer people
will hang on to an iPhone seven, you know, for
a very long time. Yeah, And there is a there,
there's kind of a it's there's it's charming to think
of holding on to an iPhone ten, you know, or whatever,
or a flip phone. There's a lot of charm in that.
(05:26):
It's like, ah, that's nice. But but the reality is
with technology, you get pushed out of it, so you
can't keep a normal life and have a normal job.
When you have old tech, because it gets the updates
will disconnect you further and further from all the other
(05:48):
tech that you have.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They'll push you into the newer stuff. They'll push you
by not supporting it anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Even if it's just because the you can't charge it
anymore because the charger doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know, you don't have that adapter.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And the batteries a life as well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The batteries have a life. So even if you you
kept up with the hardware of it and replaced batteries.
Eventually those cables just start to discip You can't even
find those old micro USB cables anymore or whatever. So
this is gonna be an interesting discussion because what we're
gonna do, what we're gonna look at, is Bill Gates
(06:23):
is presenting this new opportunity, this new technology. I have
my opinions on Bill Gates. I think you do too.
I think most people listening probably do as well. I
don't know if I trust him for anything. What Elon
Musk had the quote of saying, like he's not watch
he's not babysitting my kids, something like that. So we're
gonna be we're gonna be thinking about, you know, wisely
(06:45):
thinking through and we'll use the Bible with this. This
is a radical new idea of technology. But what happens,
What happens if this goes so far down the line
that everyone is I don't want to use the word
forced to use it. But because of the lack of
(07:05):
other options, and because of connectivity with other things that
we do, you just naturally adopt this inconvenience convenience, just
like we have with cell phones, just like we have
with getting away from cash and going to credit cards,
and now credit cards are going to go away because
more people are using their phones to make purchases, just
(07:28):
like paper boarding passes were soon replaced by digital boarding passes,
which are now being replaced by biometric scanning and to
get on an airplane. So there's gonna be a time
and you can't get on an airplane with a paper
boarding pass. They're gonna say, sorry, it has to be
either digital or it has to be biometric. And so
(07:50):
for the people that say I don't adopt that stuff,
I say, you know, that's so charming, that's so respectable,
that's so honorable. You can't fly anymore. Your travel days
are over. And so this is where it connects with
the Market the Beast, because then people go, ah, you
mean you can't buy or sell yeah without having it?
(08:13):
I say, yeah, maybe. John as he's writing Revelation two
thousand years ago, and he was writing these things about
the Market the Beast, how no one without the mark
can buy or sell, he had no that didn't make
any sense to him. And at what point in the
in the late first century, early second century would it
(08:33):
ever make sense that anyone would have to have something
to buy or sell that was implanted on them or
marked on them, or tattooed on them or implanted in
their skin, Like I wouldn't want to make any sense
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And it wasn't that long ago that that even that
mark was Oh what if it's a barcode?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, when people start tain barcode, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
What is a barcode? You used to put a barcode
on somebody's hand or or forehead. Now it's like, what
if it's the actually, actually tech of what we currently
use implanted into your body.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now we're at a place for the first time ever
in human history where we go, oh yeah, like even
a QR code, the technic, the tech of a QR
code is so far advanced past the barcode. It's it's
unbelievable how much more detailed a QR code.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Have you ever looked at that stat I haven't, but
I believe it's.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Just a little square QR code is so much use
all the time that a barcode. So what comes after
the QR code? I mean, we're we're headed fast down
and this this podcast is not going to be about
a huge warning and we need to you know, be
wiped out by some kind of you know, nuclear tech destroyer.
(09:47):
You know, we might, we might. I wouldn't, I wouldn't,
so mind that, but.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There'd be a malfunction in somebody's uh electronic tattoo set.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Some that's a different angle for this. Okay, So before
we go any further, give me everything you know about
this electronic tattoo.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't know a ton because it is it's still
right now, it's still a concept.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There is a company. It was developed initially.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
By a company called Chaotic Moon, later acquired by Censure,
which you may have heard of these tattoos.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Yeah, okay, I've heard the excentric before.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
These tattoos are used nanocapacitor smart ink. Well, that basically
means is ink that has metal or chips in it
that will that will fuse together and be able to
work inside the tattoo inside that ink.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's plans, Kurt said a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What could go wrong? What could go wrong? Not much? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It allowed tasks like sending Now this is just like
surface level stuff. It'll help with like sending messages. So
right now, instead of picking up your phone to do it,
you may just speak it and it's connecting you speaking
connects to.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There'll be some gesture.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You even have that with with Apple watches right now
that if you're listening, so you're out jogging and you're
listening to music, you can just double tap your fingers,
your your index finger and your thumb and it'll skip
to the next track. So think about those kind of
gestures that go, okay, I tap my fingers together. Oh,
now it wants a message, and then you just speak
your message and it reads it back to you and
(11:20):
sends it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So that that could be a thing, and that's.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Kind of that's one of the the benefits of of
having car play is that you can you don't have
to type anything. You can just tell it. It'll read
it to you and say is that correct, and then
you send it if you'd like, right, you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Could browse the web.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And I think for some of this you are going
to need some some ancillary items such as earbuds or glasses.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Or things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But it would be instead of connecting to a phone
that you have in your pocket, it's just to that
piece of artwork that you have on your forearm.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So you would I guess, we don't know this question answered,
I don't know what it looks like. It's just some
kind of it looks like ink looks like and it
is ink. Maybe you could just use your design.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Maybe you could.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, but it would get these five that you get
to pick from.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, you're terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But it connects to so the way it would replace
smartphones completely, it has to have some kind of reading.
You have to be able to see it or hear it.
And so you're saying earbuds or.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Glasses connecting to other things.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, So if you think about think about your smartphone
with all the guts and no screen, everything that's inside
of it without a screen, that would be what the
tattoo would be. Okay, yeah, so right now we have
Bluetooth and Wi Fi. Maybe it's that or something else,
some new technology that is much more efficient, doesn't use
a lot of battery.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Think about a battery on a phone.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, even in this too would be able to charge
based off your body heat, so your your excess body
heat instead of making you stinky.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Charges your phone.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't know that has a name.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Doesn't missed that part?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Uh it is, yeah, because that's just a.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's a horrifying idea energy harvesting from your body thermoelectric
generators converting your body heat into electricity. Okay, like we
laughed before we started the show, just thinking I'm exhausted today.
Why you haven't left the couch. I know I've but
my my nanocapacitor has been taking thermoelectric energy from my range.
(13:32):
So tired, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
What is fun?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So I've been wearing and people laugh at me right
now as I've been wearing, what are you doing? I
have a smart watch. I have the Apple Watch. But yeah,
you don't have an Apple Watch?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You have some Mine's Garmin.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The battery on this is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, it lasts about eight to twelve hours somewhere that
this is a whoop band. Yeah, and it measures everything
and more that the Apple Watch does. But it lasts
two weeks. But you know, no screen, there's no screen
on it. So that's a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And a side note. My Garmin and I have like
the highest level because I need it for international travel. Okay,
last almost a month?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Does it? Really?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's incredible. That's good to know. I use both of
these because there's data that I need right now. In
my health journey from the whoop that I don't get
from my watch. I don't get continually from my watch.
It only measures my watch only measures your heart rate.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Everyone. This is all the time checking.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It constantly measures my heart rate, and it will give
me a reading, so I know where I were, what
I've done throughout the day, and how my body has
responded to stress and things like that. After other podcasts,
after a major health scare in my life, so I'm
kind of detailing everything there's talking about. Though, that the
way this would work would have all that stuff built
(14:55):
in because it's already in your body. So that's not
that one would be a benefit that of not having
an ancillary product, not having a whoop band or something
else to be able to measure that stuff. It's built
into the fabric and the ink that has now become
part of your body.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So Tyler, my brother who's always really into thinking about
his calories and his health, this would most likely be
measuring your blood in real time where you could actually
know what, well I'm hungry right now, what am I
hungry for? And it would tell you, well, you need
(15:33):
about you know, seventeen grams of protein twenty grams of
carbs and twelve grams of fat and you'll be feeling nice.
And make sure he adds a little sodium to that.
You know, I'm just assuming that this tech would be
easy to detect in real time at some level what
you're actually hungry for, or it could say you're actually
(15:55):
not hungry, you're actually thirsty, you need to drink more water.
Not too far fetched.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And it's that is not a bad thing. No, that's
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You think about this stuff, not the whole holistically. It's
not scary, or at least it's not scary to me.
It's like I said, I'm an early adopter to a
lot of things, and I know a lot of people
listening or watching right now are too. I think the
anticipation of what it could lead to is what is scary,
you know. I remember on on the radio show After Midnight,
(16:25):
we talked about when when Elon was putting in the
brain chips, the nano chips, that they're like, would you
do this, and people that would call in and say
yes or no, and and it would you know, I
don't know that I would. I don't know that i'd
actually do something in my brain. But taking a tattoo
or having a tattoo that would give me all the
benefits of and more of a smartphone at least in
(16:49):
thought is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So so so far you're you are adopting this idea.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The idea I am actually going through with it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It would be I would have to do a lot
of research and I wouldn't be the guinea pig, I'll
say that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So a lot of these tech guys, like Bill Gates,
and I think there's been there have been several that
have come out and said, just wait, smartphones are going away.
They and they always know where we're headed anyway. They
knew the smartphone was coming and they know it's ending.
Bill Gates famous video of him talking to David Letterman
about the Internet. I think we've talked about that beforewards.
(17:25):
This is like nineteen ninety eight, okay. And Letterman's like,
for those who don't know, Letterman's the old late night
host when the yeah, when late night was the thing.
And he's like, so what about this Internet thing? When's
it gonna give? You know? And Gates is like, Oh,
it's actually really fascinating and it looks like it actually
has legs and it's gonna take off, and Letterman's like,
(17:47):
I heard the other day that you could check stats
on ball games, and Gates was like, yeah, you could
get any from any ballgame you want. And Letterman's like,
have you ever heard of a Wall Street Journal? And
everyone laughed, like, oh, that's hilarious, and Gates goes, yeah,
(18:08):
but it goes more than just stats. He goes, you know,
we're gonna get to the point where every game you
could actually listen to while it's happening on the internet.
Letterman gives them the smirk and goes, you ever heard
of radio? And it was just this conversation goes back
and forth, and it was just an indication of the
(18:30):
times that we just had no idea how silly it
would be to be arguing for radio or the Wall
Street Journal when you have the Internet. And I think
we're headed this same direction. And guess who's back around
Bill Gates again. They've all been saying smartphones are going
to wait, and there's a positive thing by thinking smartphones
are going to go away. We're all staring at screens.
(18:51):
You know, you go to an airport these days or
a you know, a park, and everyone's looking down and
we all recognize that this is short lived. This is
a time I'm of human history. We're all looking at
a screen. It's going to change. What's it going to
change too? Is it going to be even worse than
the screen itself? That's what I want to continue to
explore on this podcast. So what else do we have?
(19:11):
What's what about the technology benefits?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Concerns are concerns, answers on privacy. You know, of course
who owns that data?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And even chat GPT has come out to saying they
do have things that scan your chats with chat GPT,
because if it finds something concerning, it's going to send
it to human. The human's gonna look at it and
see if there is a real concern, and if they
need to call the cops, they.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Will like trying to build a bomb.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Think you know, this is not a private This is
not a private conversation with you and chat GPT ever,
it's not a this conversation, although we are recording to
be put out to the public, isn't private right now either.
We both have smartphones in our pockets. They're listening all
the time.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Minds technling you not?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh is it not?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I've been taking it out.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Of the room, okay, and my watch off, so it's
just all my equipment, got it my phone.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
No, I've only been doing that because it's annoying to
me when I'm trying to do a podcast in my
watch buzzing.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the only thing.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Ethics is a big thing.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What happens when technology is just you're fusing, You're you're
in essence. We've talked about this becoming cyborg. You're part
computer and you are part human. Really, they're fusing together more.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Than ever before. If this happens, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Accessibility, when will this?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Will this widen the digital divide? And you know security?
You know, listen, phones get hacked all the time. What
if your implanted phone gets hacked. That's an even bigger
deal because now it's a part of you.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now I know in real time your heart rate, how much,
how many hours you slept last night, your blood sugar level.
Right now, I know all kinds of crazy data.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think you'll be able to tell even what physical
activity you're doing based on biometrics.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, you know, I could.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It can even the band that I wear can tell
whether the stress I have is induced by external activity
or if it's something emotional or something like, hey, you're
I know you've been sitting still this whole time. It
doesn't say this to me, but in essence, you've been
sitting still this whole time, but your heart rate has
gone up and your stress level has gone up, but
(21:27):
you're not doing something stressful.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know you need to relax.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
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an entire speech. You know, go out there and do
a ted talk or a sermon, I guess you could say.
And you're reading reading at the back of the lens
of your glasses. That's that's strange. But as in a
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world that's trying to get away from cell phone distraction,
are we fixing that problem by putting on glasses Like
you might be looking at me, but I happen to
know you're reading off the back of the lens. That's
something we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You can't see.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I can't see it, uh, Which, by the way, I've
seen some videos you can on certain angles, Like if
I learned look at you, it's just a certain way
I could see a little shimmer of green. Okay, I
know you're reading.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Interesting. They'll get rid of that soon.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That'll go away. They'll figure out how to how to
get rid of that. So we're in a little bit
of a disadvantage right now because as we record this podcast,
Apple has yet to make their.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Big but when you're watching it, they will.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And yeah, wasn't there talk of them doing something with
chat GBT that's a non phone.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah. Apple's been all over They've there's been so many
rumors about Apple has something that's going to replace the phone,
and then that there was another thing you and I
talked about that Apple is announcing soon that they will
be adding a critical device to your your the pairs
with your phone and your tablet and your whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Which they could have now already talked about. Yeah, yeah,
yeah on the.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Release Yeah, oh man, so so before okay, so I
think that's kind of enough. On the device itself, we
we know that it's going to be implanted into your skin,
it's going to take biometric readings off you, it's going
to power off of your body, or we read that
it could power from the from RAF or Wi Fi,
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or it could have tiny batteries, like like thin tiny
batteries that just last a very very long time.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I could also I mean our phones lay on a charger.
Our minds, yeah, put on the mag safe. But what
if sitting in the chair that I'm sitting in now
that my arm just rests on the armsts and there's
a charger underneath it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep, that could charge that way. So it's going to
have a brain in it like a you know, a CPU,
and it that then will speak to secondary devices like
earbuds or glasses so that you could read or you
could listen. So if you want directions, there's no more phone, right,
so you get in your car and it's speaking directions
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to you or showing you the directions on the back
of your glasses. Our brains are like David Letterman in
nineteen ninety eight. Right now, we can't quite imagine what
this is going to look like. But it's coming. I
think part of this podcast is to say it's coming.
So how do we think through it. Let's let's talk
just for a second about Bill Gates. Okay, all kinds
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of things like that that this news is surrounding him.
I don't trust this guy at all? Right, do you
trust like inherently I don't trust this conspiracy stuff that
I'm messing with him?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Particularly? Yes, I don't. Sorry, the answer is no, I
don't trust it. But it's kind of that whole the
whole genre, I don't know if that's the right word,
but the whole class of billionaires that you have contributed
greatly to our way of life.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Now, I mean in some great ways, some great ways.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
But then I think that there's sometimes that when you
have so much money that and and get into just
a different world that you don't think like normal people
do anymore. And I think that they're out of touch,
way out of touchy, way out of touch with any
normal living human being.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah. It's an example of that is like all the
all the social media creators that don't have social media
and tell their kids don't have it, don't get social media,
and they're literally the ones that created it. And you
see the same thing with guys like Bill Gates. It'll
create monsters and they know they don't use it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Y is he going to do one of these ones?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I want to know. I almost want to say. I
think that's what I texted Tyler and Parker when they
Tyler texted this article. I said, you first, Billy, Yeah,
stick at your arm, you get it first.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He won't.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't think he will. I'd be very interested. I
could be wrong. I'd be interested. So immediately we think
of like the Epstein connection with this guy. You know,
so many, so many controversial with them. You remember that
Ted talk in twenty ten, You remember this is it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
When he's talking about the vaccines and such.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
He was talking about what sounded to me like population control.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yes, I do, oh, I know exactly. Yeah, that was
a Ted talk. Okay, it was a Ted talk.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was called innovating to zero or he outlined ways
to reduce CO two admissions. He's all about climate change
and saving the world, saving the world. He's all about vaccines,
which is scary stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Best way to save the world to get rid of
the people in it, right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So that's what it started to sound like. Look, he said,
he this is his quote, if we do a really
great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we
could lower population growth by perhaps ten or fifteen percent.
Close quote. Think, just absorb that for once again, If
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we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare,
reproductive health services, we could lower population growth by perhaps
ten or fifteen percent.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That makes that's so counterproductive. You know how else we
could lower population growth is to not do anything for them,
like what, yeah, so don't get anybody in healthcare, so the.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
People that have The way he defended that was he
was saying, look, that's you guys are taking us out
of context. I'm not talking about population control. I'm not
talking about poisoning people, which is you know immediately what
we hear. But he the way he defended he said,
when child survival improves, right, when when children live longer,
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because there was so much child death, you know, and
set in third world countries. He's saying, when families choose,
then if if children live longer, if their life's life's improved,
their health improves, then families will choose to choose to
have fewer children, which then is a form of population control.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Is his argument that in these sort of third world countries,
that they're having kids that only live a few years.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's his argument.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They're having more children, that's right, that's right, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And so that they they they're getting poor and more
poor because they're having more children and a higher percentage
is dying. So he's saying, like, if we could just
keep the initial babies healthy, they would stop having more babies,
and he's like, that's a great thing, and the critics
are like, oh yeah, the guy's brilliant. I still struggle
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with why this is good though, Like why we should
get better vaccines to save more children? Great, stop there,
but continue saying because then that will make our population
less by ten or fifteen percent, and then that's good.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That seems counterproductive to me. Am I missing something on
that because I get that, so if it allows that
person to live longer, it's going to actually grow it
unless you're doing something.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah. He explained that as health improofs, this is his worth.
As health improoves families choose to have fewer children. But
that's the thing, because this is also connec to this.
Uh what do you call the health services when you
talk about women's.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Health CDC and like that's the Center for Disease Control.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But uh, but when when he's talking about this that
he's talking about, he's talking about abortion.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Ah yeah, yeah, when it comes to reproductive health.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Reproductive health, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, they disguise that.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, he's talking about he's talking about if we
could just if we could have better vaccines and better
reproductive health quote quote in Africa for instances, which where
he works a lot, then there would be less starving
children because there would be less children. Yeah, I guess
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that's one way to stop, you know, starving children. To
help to help fix the pandemic of starving children, you
just have less of them. That's one. That's one way, Bill, Okay.
So that's so this is the same guy now saying
and I want you to implant this tattoo that knows
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everything about your biometrics, and that's gonna that's gonna help
the world. So while I hear your argument on adopting
early tech for convenience sake and connecting all and the
first argument of we're heading we head down a road
away from the rotary phone, where if you don't start
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adopting new things, you can't function in society anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Can I pause you for saying yah?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, Because while you were doing that, I looked up
and I got three articles on this that are current.
One came out, two came out today, the third one
came out three days ago. US population decline declines looms
by Sorry, US population decline looms by twenty twenty five.
Economic impacts and solutions.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, there's a decline.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yes, Greece suspends five percent of schools as birth rate drops. Yes,
the Guardian really transitional moment. What should we do about
declining fertility rates? Yeah, population growth isn't the issue. No,
(35:21):
population decline is the problem right now. Yeah, I didn't
see it in this, but I heard it the other day.
Was that in one it was one country. You know,
forgive me for not knowing right off the top of
my head, but it was like Italy or if something's
not done by this date, and it's like, you know,
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ten years or fifteen years, this country will no longer exist.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, that's absolutely right, and there are I think Japan
is leading that charge right now. Wow, Like Japan is
the first country to now their birth rate has dropped
below their death rate, so the death rates higher than
the birth rate, and that is like the US is
like right the same, We're about the same right now.
Babies are born and people die about exactly the same.
(36:10):
This is this is a crazy statistic because there's there's
a lot of people that say that study these kind
of things, that say that's irrecoverable. You can't fix that.
You can't well, once you once you hit neutrality, the
death rate and the birth rate. Oh, you can't fix it.
You're only going to go down there. There's no way
you could recover because that the babies are too young.
(36:31):
It takes generations and it's too late. And it's not
just a physical thing. It's a it's a mental thing
people don't want. That's that's what Japan is really struggling with. Yeah,
it's not a physical thing. It's it's not like we
just need to get these women to start having more babies.
It's they don't want to. Yeah, they don't want to
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have baby. They don't want to get married, they want
to have a career. The men don't want to get married.
They enjoy the bachelor life. They don't want to get married.
They don't want a family, they don't want to be free. Yeah,
they do if they get exactly. So it's a mental
hurdle that that it's almost impossible to get over. Bill
Gates's argument with all of what you're saying, Greece, America,
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what are the other countries you named?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I just said, and the other one was just a
it just talked about declining fertility to right, So we're.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Talking about Greece we're talking about US, We're talking about Japan, France, Japan,
We're talking about England, Germany. These are all the problem countries.
But those are all the countries that have good.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Health care, good in quotes.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So what Bill Gates is arguing is he's saying, look,
the countries with good health care, they don't make as
many babies because they don't have to because the babies
they have are fine. He's saying the problem is Africa
and India, where they don't have good health care, so
they have a lot of babies, but there's a there's
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a certain amount of racism by saying that a class racism. Sure, Yeah,
by saying, we've got to stop this India, India, Africa rise,
so we need to get them better healthcare like Germany has,
like Greece has, like the US has. Because those people
have good health care and they don't want to make babies,
that's what we want. He's not saying it exactly like
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I'm saying, but that's what he's implying.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
This is fascinating stuff. And so once again here's the
same guy now wrapped around this new tech.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, and I'm sorry, I backed up on that. But
that is they gave some tie to the person who's
behind this.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Here, here's a guy too. That's he's an older man.
I mean, he's what late fifties, early sixties, maybe I
might guess maybe a little older than that. And my
point to saying that is he's got a few more
decades on this earth. Yep, that's it. So he won't
live to see the all this stuff played out. He won't.
(39:02):
So these are all just ideas. But if he has
a certain worldview, and the worldview is class control, population control,
elimination of a lower class. You know, if that's his worldview,
then he's starting irreversible effects.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
He's sixty nine, by the way, whoa.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So he doesn't I mean sixty nine. We might hear
that he has a heart attack in five years. Okay,
how do we think through this with the Bible? Let
me say, first and foremost, getting a tech like this,
getting an electronic tattoo does not withhold you from heaven,
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from salvation. You're saved by grace through faith. This is
not your own doing. Is the gift of God, not
a result of work. So that no man may boast
there is nothing you could do to lose that. So
a person that is saved by grace through faith can't
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get a thing or a tattoo or a something that
that eliminates them. It is as we talked about in
the episode of Market the Beast, it's about worship, it's
about idolatry. So it would be it would be connected
not just getting a tattoo. It would be connected with
worshiping whatever is not God. The first commandment, you shall
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have no other gods beside Me and number, and the
second commandment you shall have no carved images.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You know, So you these statues, which is yeah, statue.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah. So something you said before we started recording was
that it's not so much the idea of a tattoo.
That's that's the problem that the mark of the beast
if thought if thought of, as we talked about a
little bit with like relation ate and last couple of
(41:07):
weeks ago, is the market the Beast is made possible
with a tech like this. Tech like this doesn't have
to be the mark of the Beast, right or the
market of the Beast could be a result of a
tech like this. So if you were ever in a
situation where you couldn't buy or sell. It would be
a choice that the human makes, not to get the tattoo,
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but to worship the image. If you don't worship this,
we don't activate your currency through your tattoo. See that's
a big difference.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Or think of it as a as an app on
your phone right now, Yeah, you worship this abomination and
you download this new app, yes on your skin tattoo. Yeah,
And what John was seeing was people buying and selling
with this mark on their phone head or on their
on their hand. And that's what this is speculation at
(42:06):
this point. But could it lead to it?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, absolutely, it could lead to it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And so kind of like we said a couple weeks ago,
you can't accidentally get the market of the beat, right,
and that's not what this podcast is about, but it
has those implications. You can't accidentally get it, but you
could get it and then make a conscious decision to
worship something that's not the lure, right, And so you
would have to do that, it would And getting a
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tattoo doesn't eliminate you from heaven. Worshiping another god does, right, right,
So you would you could get it and then go,
I must up, I'm not going to activate that I'm
not gonna do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I'll use that phone then, you know, tattooed on my skin.
But I'm sure not going.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
To bow to the idle.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah. And I'm i won't be able to buy yourself. Yeah,
and I'm going to live with I'm gonna die of starvation.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Your software has been disconconnected.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah you know, yeah, that's right. Yeah, your subscription has ended.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
The subscription has ended.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You can no longer buy oursel using your whatever they're
calling this. Yeah. I think a lot of it too
is the warning. I think in all of this is
not to be consumed, like we talk about in the
other episodes too, not being consumed with the who the
who the Antichrist is, but more so who Jesus is
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and what he did for you. I think in this
this whole thing too, is not to be so wrapped
up your life, to be wrapped up so much in
this tech and things that are man made.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And the Bible does.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Warn about that, you know, of of of putting your life.
In fact, in Isaiah, I'll turn there real quick. But
and in Isaiah talks about you know, don't go look
to don't go look to Egypt and the horses and
the chariots to to save if you look to God.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
You're talking about Isaiah thirty one.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Isaiah thirty one, I can't talk and.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The time I I can't multitask either.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah. Yeah, that's first for Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, the top of Isaiah thirty one.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, read that of thirty I'm almost there thirty one,
Right at the very beginning. What sorrow awaits those who
look to Egypt for help, trusting their horses, chariots and
chariot tears, and depending on the strength of human armies
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instead of looking to the Lord, the Holy One of Israel,
I think of anything. The warning here is not to
let your life be consumed by and I'm pointing finger
it myself, is don't let yourself be consumed by staying
up with technology. Yeah, and forget about the Lord and
think that that's the answer to all of your issues
and all your.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Problems and all you know it's going to be. It's
going to save me.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, where are you drawing your strength from? What are
you making the plans? Are you trusting the Lord because
he directs the steps? Romans twelve to two may be
the most classic verse we've gone to in this podcast
for years. Romans twelve two. I appeal to you, therefore, brothers,
by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as
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a living sacrifice wholly unacceptable to God, which is your
spiritual worship. Verse two. Here we go, Why, Paul, Why
should I? Why should I present my body as a
living sacrifice, wholy and acceptable God, which is my spiritual worship?
Why do not be conformed to this world? He says,
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would be transformed by the renewal of your mind. That
by testing you may discern what is the will of God,
what is good and acceptable and perfect. So there is
a in our faith. We don't rely on emotions or experiences,
our feelings. We use our minds and we discern, and
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we test, and our discernment is trained, Paul says, by
constant practice to distinguish good from evil. And he also
says to Timothy that that training comes from scripture, from
understanding who God is through scripture, because he said all
scriptures breed out by God and profitable for teaching, for proof,
for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the Man
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of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
So train yourself to distinguish good from evil and right
here in Romans twelve two, test to discern what is
the will of God? How by not conforming with the world,
but being transformed by the renewal of your mind. That is,
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unlike any other religion. Don't conform to the world, be
transformed by renewing your mind. How by testing it according
to the scripture, distinguishing good from evil? Who is God?
And who has God said that? Who has God told
us that he is as He's revealed himself in his word?
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And test everything else against that. It's like one test
when someone says, like I'm trying to decide to watch
this TV show or not. I'm trying to decide to
listen to this music or not. It's so easy if
you ask one question, does by doing this, does it
get me closer to God or further from God? And
if the answer is if the answer is neutral, then
it's further.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So it's like if you're trying, like I don't know
if I should watch this movie, well is it? It
doesn't have to be a Christian movie to be to
watch The Lord of the Rings, for example, and go
I see a great enemy, and I see a great good,
and I see the struggle of good triumphing over evil,
and that that makes me think of the Lord and
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our in spiritual warfare and his and our our struggle.
You know, like, okay, then good, then Lord of the
Rings would actually help you get closer to God. That's
a small example of like a secular movie. And so
you could do that with everything. So you could say,
would this tattoo, electronic tattoo get me closer to God
or further from Him?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I don't know the answer to that right.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Now, And if you just simply took how but even
before we hit record on this is what would I
use this for?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (48:21):
How could this benefit helping spread the gospel? That's your
answer from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I guarantee you my answer to a smartphone is yes,
it gets me closer to God. I guarantee you that
for many reasons. Now, if I got rid of my smartphone,
would I get me further from God? No? And that's
not what I'm saying. I'm saying. But by having it
as a tool, I could right now text to brother
and say how you doing your mother? Your mother passed
away two months ago? How are you doing to day?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I could take let's go to lunch. I could do
that and a lot faster than a letter or a courier.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
And there's no difference in in just the parameters of it.
Difference in that and a hammer. You decide how you
want to use it, because the hammer can destroy the
wall behind you, or it can put up the boards
that build that wall. It's the person using it. And
what you know, if you get this tattoo because it
helps you do what you can say? What if this
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helps you translate going on a mission trip helps you
translate much quicker and connect with someone much easier and
be able to share the Gospel in their language that
they can understand. That's the answer right there.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, well, you know what you're saying with that argument
is just a couple of pages back for me, and
I would say it would be the famous Romans eight
twenty eight. We know that for those who love God,
all things work together for good. All things, all things yep,
work together for good. And that can include a electronic
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tattoo for those who are called according to His purpose,
for those for whom he fore knew He also predestined
to be conformed to the image of his son and
order that we might be the first born among many brothers,
and those whom he predestined he also called, and those
we called he also justified, and those who we justified,
and he also glorified. I look at I think about
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First Thesalonians. Towards the end of the chapter, he says
he's talking about a stain from every form of form
of evil, and he says, test everything, hold fast, what
is good? Test everything? So like that could be a
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theme of this whole podcast. Should I get it? I
don't test it. I don't know. But but how do
I test it? By testing it against who God says
he is? Who does he say he is? Well, you
have to know who he is according to the way
the scriptures revealed him. How do you know that? Because
all scriptures bread that by God and profitable for teaching, reproof, correction,
for training and righteousness. Well, how do I train myself
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by not conforming to the world, but being transformed by
the renewal of my mind, so that by testing I
can distinguish what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
So these scripture a test to itself as we walk
through it. How to handle even electronic tattoo or anything
place anything in there? What do I do with this
test everything and hold fast what is good? How do
I know what is good by distinguishing good from evil?
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How do I do that by training? How do I
do that by reading the scripture? What does that do?
Because it gives light to who God is? And once
I see him for who he's revealed himself to be,
I could trust him and I could know what is
good and acceptable imperfect by not conforming to this world.
You see, this's like this scriptural loop we can go
(51:48):
through and just answers every question back to back to back,
including electronic tattoos.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, it's something I don't know what you were saying.
That also struck me from some thing I read this
week too, and it was the parable of the shrewd manager,
just in that it's in Luke sixteen, but a particular verse,
and here it says, here's the lesson use your worldly
resources to benefit others. If what you have, use it
to benefit those that God is calling.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
You to minister too. Yeah, to benefit others.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I would say, on top of all these things, there's
there was be one strict warning for this, and it's
not be careful. It's not the mark of the beast.
I think we've covered that you can't accidentally get It's right,
you'll be actively worshiping. But the but what we should
warn against is is like we would warn against with
anything else, do not idolize this very important. Don't idolize tech.
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Don't let it become an idol, don't let it become
an addiction. Paul says that that anything is lawful, lawful
for me, and everything is. But yeah, we we have
to understand that yet not everything is profitable, not everything
is good. It might be lawful, Like would it be
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lawful to get this electronic Yeah, sure, but that's that's
not always profitable for me. So so how does Paul
remedy that? Well, he says, I will not be addicted
to anything, yep. So if it becomes an addiction, it's
becoming an idol.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Let's say that definitely applies to tech, and.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
That applies to tech. So if this thing becomes something
that we would idolize, then we're breaking the first commandment
and we're putting another god before him, and then at
that point we're in serious trouble, far more serious trouble
than getting a mark of the beast yep, Because now
we've put another God before him, and we will be
judged for that. And how to how to how to
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stop that? How to remedy that? You need a new heart?
How do you get a new heart? Trusting, believing in
the resurrection of Jesus, that he died, went to the cross,
lived a perfect life that we couldn't, and upon his
resurrection said look to me. Turn from yourself, turn from
your idols, turn from your technology that you've trusted and
looked to me, and trust in me, and you'll be
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saved and forgiven, which is something that is the greatest
need of all humanity to be forgiven of our sins,
our sins that have separated us from a holy God. Yeah,
so amen, I think would you get it? Do you
get this thing? Like I said, probably, The answer is probably.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I would be in probably the first twenty percent, twenty
five percent.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
It'd be some testing before me.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
But I'll tell you right now that on the phone
sitting down there, I've had the new iOS twenty six
first beta all the way through where we are well,
I'm now we're past it. It's out for everybody now.
It is the operating the newest operating system. But when
it was in beta fe Yeah. I love playing with
that stuff and figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So let's add to the original question. Is Bill Gates's
new electronic tattooed demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Is it demonic? I mean anything could be? The I
mean can be depending on what's used for again, the hammer.
What's the hammer being used for?
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Is the hammered demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, in the hands of the right person, that's right,
swinging it at the right thing. Yes, sure, demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So yes, it could be. Is it in it of itself?
Now I don't think.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
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New information coming out and it's kind of all over
the place of Bill Gates has this new idea that
apparently he's been in works for a while. It's a
tattoo embedded into your skin that is nanotechnology. It will
replace smartphones, he says, as soon as twenty thirty would
you get this tattoo? And more importantly, as we think
(00:21):
through it with a biblical lens, is it demonic? Discussing
that right now? So this is fascinating. Is Bill gates
(00:42):
new electronic tattoo demonic? Oh? Surprise surprise, Bill Gates is
in the news again with something controversial. This came from
an email.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, in surprise surprise.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
People want to talk more about end times and Mark
at the Beast and things.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That could be literally what's two episodes ago? Yeah, was
Market the Beast. So if anyone's coming in there just
now jumping into this, this is gonna be a really
good conversation, I hope at least. Yeah, And you might
want to just pause right now and go watch the
Market the Beast episode we did two weeks ago and
then come back to this one. That's probably a pretty
(01:20):
good prep I think we're gonna we're gonna get in
a little bit of market the Beast today again, but
we'll kind of build off what we talked about last time.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, I was gonna say that at least it would
kind of start where that one finished. As far as
the conclusion from that one, Yeah, to have a conversation
here about this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, So we'll get to that. And so this
came from an email. If you want to email anything
you want. Any topic could be anything, could be end
of Times or it could be having trouble with my girlfriend.
We're gonna look at this through a biblical worldview. The
podcast email is podcast at grangersmith dot com. Podcast at
(01:56):
grangersmith dot com. That's where we're getting the one today.
What's this guy's name, Seth?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is Seth.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, Seth brings up a fascinating topic. What you got?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He said, Hey, Granger, A buddy of mine sent me
this article about Bill Gates saying smartphones could be replaced
by something called the electronic tattoos. I'll be honest, it
kind of blew my mind. The idea is that instead
of carrying an actual phone, you'd have this tattoo on
your skin that can track your health, let you pay
for things and even connect to the Internet. On the
(02:24):
other hand, it sounds like something straight out of a
sci fi movie.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
On the other hand, I couldn't help but wonder if
it ties to what Revelation talks about with the market
of the Beast. I don't want to jump to conclusions,
but it's hard not to think about those verses when
you hear about tech that goes under your skin and
controls so much of your daily life.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thanks for always tackling these kind of questions with a
level head and faith filled perspective.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Seth from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
South Carolina. Seth, this is not the first time I've
heard this. Actually, I got a text when is this date?
On August to twenty fifth, I got a text from
my brother Tyler who sent this article to me and
my other brother Parker. It's an MSN article, yeah, and
(03:14):
it's the headline is Bill Gates declares the end of
the smartphone era and unveils its surprising replacement. So there's,
you know, this picture of Bill Gates and his tuxedo
and his microphone, and this article kind of walks through
what an electronic tattoo is with you and I had
(03:35):
to kind of figure out a little bit more. And
it talks about the decline of the smartphones. I think
you had in your notes aunt that What did it
say that fifteen years we're looking at the end of smartphones?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah? About that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I also saw another article that said as early
as twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wow, we would be five years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Comply, yeah, four and some change years away from no
more smartphones as being the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I could see someone adopting this idea in four years
or less. Think about how quickly chat GPT picked up.
I don't see. I mean, I don't see everyone, everyone,
or even a majority going away from a smartphone in
less than four years. Because that's agree, that's a quick
adoption of something of new tech. And listen, I adopt
(04:29):
new tech quickly. I like trial and error. I like
figuring things out. And you know, even with equipment that
we use here in this room to do this podcast,
I was a quick adopter. Road who does the recording
machine that we hear have here. They came out with
new stuff for the newest one, which is now a
few years old. But I thought, well, if it really
(04:51):
can do that, and that machine, that's worth the money.
Because it was the old one plus a few other
pieces of equipment. So if the new one can do
that all one, I want to try that out. And
it's it's proven to be really good.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I think most people probably do that. It's fewer people
will hang on to an iPhone seven, you know, for
a very long time. Yeah, And there is a there,
there's kind of a it's there's it's charming to think
of holding on to an iPhone ten, you know, or whatever,
or a flip phone. There's a lot of charm in that.
(05:26):
It's like, ah, that's nice. But but the reality is
with technology, you get pushed out of it, so you
can't keep a normal life and have a normal job.
When you have old tech, because it gets the updates
will disconnect you further and further from all the other
(05:48):
tech that you have.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They'll push you into the newer stuff. They'll push you
by not supporting it anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Even if it's just because the you can't charge it
anymore because the charger doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know, you don't have that adapter.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And the batteries a life as well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The batteries have a life. So even if you you
kept up with the hardware of it and replaced batteries.
Eventually those cables just start to discip You can't even
find those old micro USB cables anymore or whatever. So
this is gonna be an interesting discussion because what we're
gonna do, what we're gonna look at, is Bill Gates
(06:23):
is presenting this new opportunity, this new technology. I have
my opinions on Bill Gates. I think you do too.
I think most people listening probably do as well. I
don't know if I trust him for anything. What Elon
Musk had the quote of saying, like he's not watch
he's not babysitting my kids, something like that. So we're
gonna be we're gonna be thinking about, you know, wisely
(06:45):
thinking through and we'll use the Bible with this. This
is a radical new idea of technology. But what happens,
What happens if this goes so far down the line
that everyone is I don't want to use the word
forced to use it. But because of the lack of
(07:05):
other options, and because of connectivity with other things that
we do, you just naturally adopt this inconvenience convenience, just
like we have with cell phones, just like we have
with getting away from cash and going to credit cards,
and now credit cards are going to go away because
more people are using their phones to make purchases, just
(07:28):
like paper boarding passes were soon replaced by digital boarding passes,
which are now being replaced by biometric scanning and to
get on an airplane. So there's gonna be a time
and you can't get on an airplane with a paper
boarding pass. They're gonna say, sorry, it has to be
either digital or it has to be biometric. And so
(07:50):
for the people that say I don't adopt that stuff,
I say, you know, that's so charming, that's so respectable,
that's so honorable. You can't fly anymore. Your travel days
are over. And so this is where it connects with
the Market the Beast, because then people go, ah, you
mean you can't buy or sell yeah without having it?
(08:13):
I say, yeah, maybe. John as he's writing Revelation two
thousand years ago, and he was writing these things about
the Market the Beast, how no one without the mark
can buy or sell, he had no that didn't make
any sense to him. And at what point in the
in the late first century, early second century would it
(08:33):
ever make sense that anyone would have to have something
to buy or sell that was implanted on them or
marked on them, or tattooed on them or implanted in
their skin, Like I wouldn't want to make any sense
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And it wasn't that long ago that that even that
mark was Oh what if it's a barcode?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, when people start tain barcode, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
What is a barcode? You used to put a barcode
on somebody's hand or or forehead. Now it's like, what
if it's the actually, actually tech of what we currently
use implanted into your body.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now we're at a place for the first time ever
in human history where we go, oh yeah, like even
a QR code, the technic, the tech of a QR
code is so far advanced past the barcode. It's it's
unbelievable how much more detailed a QR code.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Have you ever looked at that stat I haven't, but
I believe it's.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Just a little square QR code is so much use
all the time that a barcode. So what comes after
the QR code? I mean, we're we're headed fast down
and this this podcast is not going to be about
a huge warning and we need to you know, be
wiped out by some kind of you know, nuclear tech destroyer.
(09:47):
You know, we might, we might. I wouldn't, I wouldn't,
so mind that, but.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There'd be a malfunction in somebody's uh electronic tattoo set.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Some that's a different angle for this. Okay, So before
we go any further, give me everything you know about
this electronic tattoo.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't know a ton because it is it's still
right now, it's still a concept.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There is a company. It was developed initially.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
By a company called Chaotic Moon, later acquired by Censure,
which you may have heard of these tattoos.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Yeah, okay, I've heard the excentric before.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
These tattoos are used nanocapacitor smart ink. Well, that basically
means is ink that has metal or chips in it
that will that will fuse together and be able to
work inside the tattoo inside that ink.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's plans, Kurt said a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What could go wrong? What could go wrong? Not much? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It allowed tasks like sending Now this is just like
surface level stuff. It'll help with like sending messages. So
right now, instead of picking up your phone to do it,
you may just speak it and it's connecting you speaking
connects to.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There'll be some gesture.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You even have that with with Apple watches right now
that if you're listening, so you're out jogging and you're
listening to music, you can just double tap your fingers,
your your index finger and your thumb and it'll skip
to the next track. So think about those kind of
gestures that go, okay, I tap my fingers together. Oh,
now it wants a message, and then you just speak
your message and it reads it back to you and
(11:20):
sends it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So that that could be a thing, and that's.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Kind of that's one of the the benefits of of
having car play is that you can you don't have
to type anything. You can just tell it. It'll read
it to you and say is that correct, and then
you send it if you'd like, right, you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Could browse the web.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And I think for some of this you are going
to need some some ancillary items such as earbuds or glasses.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Or things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But it would be instead of connecting to a phone
that you have in your pocket, it's just to that
piece of artwork that you have on your forearm.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So you would I guess, we don't know this question answered,
I don't know what it looks like. It's just some
kind of it looks like ink looks like and it
is ink. Maybe you could just use your design.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Maybe you could.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, but it would get these five that you get
to pick from.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, you're terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But it connects to so the way it would replace
smartphones completely, it has to have some kind of reading.
You have to be able to see it or hear it.
And so you're saying earbuds or.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Glasses connecting to other things.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, So if you think about think about your smartphone
with all the guts and no screen, everything that's inside
of it without a screen, that would be what the
tattoo would be. Okay, yeah, so right now we have
Bluetooth and Wi Fi. Maybe it's that or something else,
some new technology that is much more efficient, doesn't use
a lot of battery.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Think about a battery on a phone.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, even in this too would be able to charge
based off your body heat, so your your excess body
heat instead of making you stinky.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Charges your phone.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't know that has a name.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Doesn't missed that part?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Uh it is, yeah, because that's just a.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's a horrifying idea energy harvesting from your body thermoelectric
generators converting your body heat into electricity. Okay, like we
laughed before we started the show, just thinking I'm exhausted today.
Why you haven't left the couch. I know I've but
my my nanocapacitor has been taking thermoelectric energy from my range.
(13:32):
So tired, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
What is fun?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So I've been wearing and people laugh at me right
now as I've been wearing, what are you doing? I
have a smart watch. I have the Apple Watch. But yeah,
you don't have an Apple Watch?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You have some Mine's Garmin.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The battery on this is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, it lasts about eight to twelve hours somewhere that
this is a whoop band. Yeah, and it measures everything
and more that the Apple Watch does. But it lasts
two weeks. But you know, no screen, there's no screen
on it. So that's a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And a side note. My Garmin and I have like
the highest level because I need it for international travel. Okay,
last almost a month?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Does it? Really?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's incredible. That's good to know. I use both of
these because there's data that I need right now. In
my health journey from the whoop that I don't get
from my watch. I don't get continually from my watch.
It only measures my watch only measures your heart rate.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Everyone. This is all the time checking.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It constantly measures my heart rate, and it will give
me a reading, so I know where I were, what
I've done throughout the day, and how my body has
responded to stress and things like that. After other podcasts,
after a major health scare in my life, so I'm
kind of detailing everything there's talking about. Though, that the
way this would work would have all that stuff built
(14:55):
in because it's already in your body. So that's not
that one would be a benefit that of not having
an ancillary product, not having a whoop band or something
else to be able to measure that stuff. It's built
into the fabric and the ink that has now become
part of your body.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So Tyler, my brother who's always really into thinking about
his calories and his health, this would most likely be
measuring your blood in real time where you could actually
know what, well I'm hungry right now, what am I
hungry for? And it would tell you, well, you need
(15:33):
about you know, seventeen grams of protein twenty grams of
carbs and twelve grams of fat and you'll be feeling nice.
And make sure he adds a little sodium to that.
You know, I'm just assuming that this tech would be
easy to detect in real time at some level what
you're actually hungry for, or it could say you're actually
(15:55):
not hungry, you're actually thirsty, you need to drink more water.
Not too far fetched.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And it's that is not a bad thing. No, that's
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You think about this stuff, not the whole holistically. It's
not scary, or at least it's not scary to me.
It's like I said, I'm an early adopter to a
lot of things, and I know a lot of people
listening or watching right now are too. I think the
anticipation of what it could lead to is what is scary,
you know. I remember on on the radio show After Midnight,
(16:25):
we talked about when when Elon was putting in the
brain chips, the nano chips, that they're like, would you
do this, and people that would call in and say
yes or no, and and it would you know, I
don't know that I would. I don't know that i'd
actually do something in my brain. But taking a tattoo
or having a tattoo that would give me all the
benefits of and more of a smartphone at least in
(16:49):
thought is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So so so far you're you are adopting this idea.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The idea I am actually going through with it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It would be I would have to do a lot
of research and I wouldn't be the guinea pig, I'll
say that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So a lot of these tech guys, like Bill Gates,
and I think there's been there have been several that
have come out and said, just wait, smartphones are going away.
They and they always know where we're headed anyway. They
knew the smartphone was coming and they know it's ending.
Bill Gates famous video of him talking to David Letterman
about the Internet. I think we've talked about that beforewards.
(17:25):
This is like nineteen ninety eight, okay. And Letterman's like,
for those who don't know, Letterman's the old late night
host when the yeah, when late night was the thing.
And he's like, so what about this Internet thing? When's
it gonna give? You know? And Gates is like, Oh,
it's actually really fascinating and it looks like it actually
has legs and it's gonna take off, and Letterman's like,
(17:47):
I heard the other day that you could check stats
on ball games, and Gates was like, yeah, you could
get any from any ballgame you want. And Letterman's like,
have you ever heard of a Wall Street Journal? And
everyone laughed, like, oh, that's hilarious, and Gates goes, yeah,
(18:08):
but it goes more than just stats. He goes, you know,
we're gonna get to the point where every game you
could actually listen to while it's happening on the internet.
Letterman gives them the smirk and goes, you ever heard
of radio? And it was just this conversation goes back
and forth, and it was just an indication of the
(18:30):
times that we just had no idea how silly it
would be to be arguing for radio or the Wall
Street Journal when you have the Internet. And I think
we're headed this same direction. And guess who's back around
Bill Gates again. They've all been saying smartphones are going
to wait, and there's a positive thing by thinking smartphones
are going to go away. We're all staring at screens.
(18:51):
You know, you go to an airport these days or
a you know, a park, and everyone's looking down and
we all recognize that this is short lived. This is
a time I'm of human history. We're all looking at
a screen. It's going to change. What's it going to
change too? Is it going to be even worse than
the screen itself? That's what I want to continue to
explore on this podcast. So what else do we have?
(19:11):
What's what about the technology benefits?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Concerns are concerns, answers on privacy. You know, of course
who owns that data?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And even chat GPT has come out to saying they
do have things that scan your chats with chat GPT,
because if it finds something concerning, it's going to send
it to human. The human's gonna look at it and
see if there is a real concern, and if they
need to call the cops, they.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Will like trying to build a bomb.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Think you know, this is not a private This is
not a private conversation with you and chat GPT ever,
it's not a this conversation, although we are recording to
be put out to the public, isn't private right now either.
We both have smartphones in our pockets. They're listening all
the time.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Minds technling you not?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh is it not?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I've been taking it out.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Of the room, okay, and my watch off, so it's
just all my equipment, got it my phone.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
No, I've only been doing that because it's annoying to
me when I'm trying to do a podcast in my
watch buzzing.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the only thing.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Ethics is a big thing.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What happens when technology is just you're fusing, You're you're
in essence. We've talked about this becoming cyborg. You're part
computer and you are part human. Really, they're fusing together more.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Than ever before. If this happens, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Accessibility, when will this?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Will this widen the digital divide? And you know security?
You know, listen, phones get hacked all the time. What
if your implanted phone gets hacked. That's an even bigger
deal because now it's a part of you.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now I know in real time your heart rate, how much,
how many hours you slept last night, your blood sugar level.
Right now, I know all kinds of crazy data.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think you'll be able to tell even what physical
activity you're doing based on biometrics.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, you know, I could.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It can even the band that I wear can tell
whether the stress I have is induced by external activity
or if it's something emotional or something like, hey, you're
I know you've been sitting still this whole time. It
doesn't say this to me, but in essence, you've been
sitting still this whole time, but your heart rate has
gone up and your stress level has gone up, but
(21:27):
you're not doing something stressful.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know you need to relax.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
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tell you I don't miss I know that car plays awesome.
It's really cool to have CarPlay in your car. I
don't have that. I haven't had that in several years,
and I also haven't missed it. So I think I
would call myself an early adopter on certain things as well.
You know I'm interested in the new Apple whatever. I'm
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interested in translation. I've told you this before, like I'm
interested in real time translation devices for mission work. But
there are certain things if I've cut them out of
my life, I don't miss them anymore. I like driving
the old truck. So I've been researching these glasses as well.
Like the glasses, technology is getting bigger and bigger, and
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eventually more and more people will be wearing smart glasses.
They will be listening to music on them. They will
be taking videos, which is strange to me, taking pictures
like metas Yeah, like metaglasses. You know, there are glasses
now with that shoot a little a tiny camera onto
the lens so that you could read things. People could
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give speeches, you could you know, Yeah, you could connect
your phone to the glasses on an app and have
an entire speech. You know, go out there and do
a ted talk or a sermon, I guess you could say.
And you're reading reading at the back of the lens
of your glasses. That's that's strange. But as in a
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world that's trying to get away from cell phone distraction,
are we fixing that problem by putting on glasses Like
you might be looking at me, but I happen to
know you're reading off the back of the lens. That's
something we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You can't see.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I can't see it, uh, Which, by the way, I've
seen some videos you can on certain angles, Like if
I learned look at you, it's just a certain way
I could see a little shimmer of green. Okay, I
know you're reading.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Interesting. They'll get rid of that soon.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That'll go away. They'll figure out how to how to
get rid of that. So we're in a little bit
of a disadvantage right now because as we record this podcast,
Apple has yet to make their.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Big but when you're watching it, they will.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And yeah, wasn't there talk of them doing something with
chat GBT that's a non phone.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah. Apple's been all over They've there's been so many
rumors about Apple has something that's going to replace the phone,
and then that there was another thing you and I
talked about that Apple is announcing soon that they will
be adding a critical device to your your the pairs
with your phone and your tablet and your whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Which they could have now already talked about. Yeah, yeah,
yeah on the.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Release Yeah, oh man, so so before okay, so I
think that's kind of enough. On the device itself, we
we know that it's going to be implanted into your skin,
it's going to take biometric readings off you, it's going
to power off of your body, or we read that
it could power from the from RAF or Wi Fi,
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or it could have tiny batteries, like like thin tiny
batteries that just last a very very long time.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I could also I mean our phones lay on a charger.
Our minds, yeah, put on the mag safe. But what
if sitting in the chair that I'm sitting in now
that my arm just rests on the armsts and there's
a charger underneath it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep, that could charge that way. So it's going to
have a brain in it like a you know, a CPU,
and it that then will speak to secondary devices like
earbuds or glasses so that you could read or you
could listen. So if you want directions, there's no more phone, right,
so you get in your car and it's speaking directions
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to you or showing you the directions on the back
of your glasses. Our brains are like David Letterman in
nineteen ninety eight. Right now, we can't quite imagine what
this is going to look like. But it's coming. I
think part of this podcast is to say it's coming.
So how do we think through it. Let's let's talk
just for a second about Bill Gates. Okay, all kinds
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of things like that that this news is surrounding him.
I don't trust this guy at all? Right, do you
trust like inherently I don't trust this conspiracy stuff that
I'm messing with him?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Particularly? Yes, I don't. Sorry, the answer is no, I
don't trust it. But it's kind of that whole the
whole genre, I don't know if that's the right word,
but the whole class of billionaires that you have contributed
greatly to our way of life.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Now, I mean in some great ways, some great ways.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
But then I think that there's sometimes that when you
have so much money that and and get into just
a different world that you don't think like normal people
do anymore. And I think that they're out of touch,
way out of touchy, way out of touch with any
normal living human being.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah. It's an example of that is like all the
all the social media creators that don't have social media
and tell their kids don't have it, don't get social media,
and they're literally the ones that created it. And you
see the same thing with guys like Bill Gates. It'll
create monsters and they know they don't use it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Y is he going to do one of these ones?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I want to know. I almost want to say. I
think that's what I texted Tyler and Parker when they
Tyler texted this article. I said, you first, Billy, Yeah,
stick at your arm, you get it first.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He won't.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't think he will. I'd be very interested. I
could be wrong. I'd be interested. So immediately we think
of like the Epstein connection with this guy. You know,
so many, so many controversial with them. You remember that
Ted talk in twenty ten, You remember this is it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
When he's talking about the vaccines and such.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
He was talking about what sounded to me like population control.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yes, I do, oh, I know exactly. Yeah, that was
a Ted talk. Okay, it was a Ted talk.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was called innovating to zero or he outlined ways
to reduce CO two admissions. He's all about climate change
and saving the world, saving the world. He's all about vaccines,
which is scary stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Best way to save the world to get rid of
the people in it, right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So that's what it started to sound like. Look, he said,
he this is his quote, if we do a really
great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we
could lower population growth by perhaps ten or fifteen percent.
Close quote. Think, just absorb that for once again, If
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we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare,
reproductive health services, we could lower population growth by perhaps
ten or fifteen percent.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That makes that's so counterproductive. You know how else we
could lower population growth is to not do anything for them,
like what, yeah, so don't get anybody in healthcare, so the.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
People that have The way he defended that was he
was saying, look, that's you guys are taking us out
of context. I'm not talking about population control. I'm not
talking about poisoning people, which is you know immediately what
we hear. But he the way he defended he said,
when child survival improves, right, when when children live longer,
(31:22):
because there was so much child death, you know, and
set in third world countries. He's saying, when families choose,
then if if children live longer, if their life's life's improved,
their health improves, then families will choose to choose to
have fewer children, which then is a form of population control.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Is his argument that in these sort of third world countries,
that they're having kids that only live a few years.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's his argument.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They're having more children, that's right, that's right, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And so that they they they're getting poor and more
poor because they're having more children and a higher percentage
is dying. So he's saying, like, if we could just
keep the initial babies healthy, they would stop having more babies,
and he's like, that's a great thing, and the critics
are like, oh yeah, the guy's brilliant. I still struggle
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with why this is good though, Like why we should
get better vaccines to save more children? Great, stop there,
but continue saying because then that will make our population
less by ten or fifteen percent, and then that's good.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That seems counterproductive to me. Am I missing something on
that because I get that, so if it allows that
person to live longer, it's going to actually grow it
unless you're doing something.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah. He explained that as health improofs, this is his worth.
As health improoves families choose to have fewer children. But
that's the thing, because this is also connec to this.
Uh what do you call the health services when you
talk about women's.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Health CDC and like that's the Center for Disease Control.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But uh, but when when he's talking about this that
he's talking about, he's talking about abortion.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Ah yeah, yeah, when it comes to reproductive health.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Reproductive health, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, they disguise that.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, he's talking about he's talking about if we
could just if we could have better vaccines and better
reproductive health quote quote in Africa for instances, which where
he works a lot, then there would be less starving
children because there would be less children. Yeah, I guess
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that's one way to stop, you know, starving children. To
help to help fix the pandemic of starving children, you
just have less of them. That's one. That's one way, Bill, Okay.
So that's so this is the same guy now saying
and I want you to implant this tattoo that knows
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everything about your biometrics, and that's gonna that's gonna help
the world. So while I hear your argument on adopting
early tech for convenience sake and connecting all and the
first argument of we're heading we head down a road
away from the rotary phone, where if you don't start
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adopting new things, you can't function in society anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Can I pause you for saying yah?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, Because while you were doing that, I looked up
and I got three articles on this that are current.
One came out, two came out today, the third one
came out three days ago. US population decline declines looms
by Sorry, US population decline looms by twenty twenty five.
Economic impacts and solutions.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, there's a decline.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yes, Greece suspends five percent of schools as birth rate drops. Yes,
the Guardian really transitional moment. What should we do about
declining fertility rates? Yeah, population growth isn't the issue. No,
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population decline is the problem right now. Yeah, I didn't
see it in this, but I heard it the other day.
Was that in one it was one country. You know,
forgive me for not knowing right off the top of
my head, but it was like Italy or if something's
not done by this date, and it's like, you know,
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ten years or fifteen years, this country will no longer exist.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, that's absolutely right, and there are I think Japan
is leading that charge right now. Wow, Like Japan is
the first country to now their birth rate has dropped
below their death rate, so the death rates higher than
the birth rate, and that is like the US is
like right the same, We're about the same right now.
Babies are born and people die about exactly the same.
(36:10):
This is this is a crazy statistic because there's there's
a lot of people that say that study these kind
of things, that say that's irrecoverable. You can't fix that.
You can't well, once you once you hit neutrality, the
death rate and the birth rate. Oh, you can't fix it.
You're only going to go down there. There's no way
you could recover because that the babies are too young.
(36:31):
It takes generations and it's too late. And it's not
just a physical thing. It's a it's a mental thing
people don't want. That's that's what Japan is really struggling with. Yeah,
it's not a physical thing. It's it's not like we
just need to get these women to start having more babies.
It's they don't want to. Yeah, they don't want to
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have baby. They don't want to get married, they want
to have a career. The men don't want to get married.
They enjoy the bachelor life. They don't want to get married.
They don't want a family, they don't want to be free. Yeah,
they do if they get exactly. So it's a mental
hurdle that that it's almost impossible to get over. Bill
Gates's argument with all of what you're saying, Greece, America,
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what are the other countries you named?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I just said, and the other one was just a
it just talked about declining fertility to right, So we're.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Talking about Greece we're talking about US, We're talking about Japan, France, Japan,
We're talking about England, Germany. These are all the problem countries.
But those are all the countries that have good.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Health care, good in quotes.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So what Bill Gates is arguing is he's saying, look,
the countries with good health care, they don't make as
many babies because they don't have to because the babies
they have are fine. He's saying the problem is Africa
and India, where they don't have good health care, so
they have a lot of babies, but there's a there's
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a certain amount of racism by saying that a class racism. Sure, Yeah,
by saying, we've got to stop this India, India, Africa rise,
so we need to get them better healthcare like Germany has,
like Greece has, like the US has. Because those people
have good health care and they don't want to make babies,
that's what we want. He's not saying it exactly like
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I'm saying, but that's what he's implying.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
This is fascinating stuff. And so once again here's the
same guy now wrapped around this new tech.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, and I'm sorry, I backed up on that. But
that is they gave some tie to the person who's
behind this.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Here, here's a guy too. That's he's an older man.
I mean, he's what late fifties, early sixties, maybe I
might guess maybe a little older than that. And my
point to saying that is he's got a few more
decades on this earth. Yep, that's it. So he won't
live to see the all this stuff played out. He won't.
(39:02):
So these are all just ideas. But if he has
a certain worldview, and the worldview is class control, population control,
elimination of a lower class. You know, if that's his worldview,
then he's starting irreversible effects.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
He's sixty nine, by the way, whoa.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So he doesn't I mean sixty nine. We might hear
that he has a heart attack in five years. Okay,
how do we think through this with the Bible? Let
me say, first and foremost, getting a tech like this,
getting an electronic tattoo does not withhold you from heaven,
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from salvation. You're saved by grace through faith. This is
not your own doing. Is the gift of God, not
a result of work. So that no man may boast
there is nothing you could do to lose that. So
a person that is saved by grace through faith can't
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get a thing or a tattoo or a something that
that eliminates them. It is as we talked about in
the episode of Market the Beast, it's about worship, it's
about idolatry. So it would be it would be connected
not just getting a tattoo. It would be connected with
worshiping whatever is not God. The first commandment, you shall
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have no other gods beside Me and number, and the
second commandment you shall have no carved images.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You know, So you these statues, which is yeah, statue.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah. So something you said before we started recording was
that it's not so much the idea of a tattoo.
That's that's the problem that the mark of the beast
if thought if thought of, as we talked about a
little bit with like relation ate and last couple of
(41:07):
weeks ago, is the market the Beast is made possible
with a tech like this. Tech like this doesn't have
to be the mark of the Beast, right or the
market of the Beast could be a result of a
tech like this. So if you were ever in a
situation where you couldn't buy or sell. It would be
a choice that the human makes, not to get the tattoo,
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but to worship the image. If you don't worship this,
we don't activate your currency through your tattoo. See that's
a big difference.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Or think of it as a as an app on
your phone right now, Yeah, you worship this abomination and
you download this new app, yes on your skin tattoo. Yeah,
And what John was seeing was people buying and selling
with this mark on their phone head or on their
on their hand. And that's what this is speculation at
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this point. But could it lead to it?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, absolutely, it could lead to it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And so kind of like we said a couple weeks ago,
you can't accidentally get the market of the beat, right,
and that's not what this podcast is about, but it
has those implications. You can't accidentally get it, but you
could get it and then make a conscious decision to
worship something that's not the lure, right, And so you
would have to do that, it would And getting a
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tattoo doesn't eliminate you from heaven. Worshiping another god does, right, right,
So you would you could get it and then go,
I must up, I'm not going to activate that I'm
not gonna do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I'll use that phone then, you know, tattooed on my skin.
But I'm sure not going.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
To bow to the idle.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah. And I'm i won't be able to buy yourself. Yeah,
and I'm going to live with I'm gonna die of starvation.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Your software has been disconconnected.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah you know, yeah, that's right. Yeah, your subscription has ended.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
The subscription has ended.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You can no longer buy oursel using your whatever they're
calling this. Yeah. I think a lot of it too
is the warning. I think in all of this is
not to be consumed, like we talk about in the
other episodes too, not being consumed with the who the
who the Antichrist is, but more so who Jesus is
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and what he did for you. I think in this
this whole thing too, is not to be so wrapped
up your life, to be wrapped up so much in
this tech and things that are man made.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And the Bible does.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Warn about that, you know, of of of putting your life.
In fact, in Isaiah, I'll turn there real quick. But
and in Isaiah talks about you know, don't go look
to don't go look to Egypt and the horses and
the chariots to to save if you look to God.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
You're talking about Isaiah thirty one.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Isaiah thirty one, I can't talk and.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The time I I can't multitask either.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah. Yeah, that's first for Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, the top of Isaiah thirty one.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, read that of thirty I'm almost there thirty one,
Right at the very beginning. What sorrow awaits those who
look to Egypt for help, trusting their horses, chariots and
chariot tears, and depending on the strength of human armies
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instead of looking to the Lord, the Holy One of Israel,
I think of anything. The warning here is not to
let your life be consumed by and I'm pointing finger
it myself, is don't let yourself be consumed by staying
up with technology. Yeah, and forget about the Lord and
think that that's the answer to all of your issues
and all your.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Problems and all you know it's going to be. It's
going to save me.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, where are you drawing your strength from? What are
you making the plans? Are you trusting the Lord because
he directs the steps? Romans twelve to two may be
the most classic verse we've gone to in this podcast
for years. Romans twelve two. I appeal to you, therefore, brothers,
by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as
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a living sacrifice wholly unacceptable to God, which is your
spiritual worship. Verse two. Here we go, Why, Paul, Why
should I? Why should I present my body as a
living sacrifice, wholy and acceptable God, which is my spiritual worship?
Why do not be conformed to this world? He says,
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would be transformed by the renewal of your mind. That
by testing you may discern what is the will of God,
what is good and acceptable and perfect. So there is
a in our faith. We don't rely on emotions or experiences,
our feelings. We use our minds and we discern, and
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we test, and our discernment is trained, Paul says, by
constant practice to distinguish good from evil. And he also
says to Timothy that that training comes from scripture, from
understanding who God is through scripture, because he said all
scriptures breed out by God and profitable for teaching, for proof,
for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the Man
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of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
So train yourself to distinguish good from evil and right
here in Romans twelve two, test to discern what is
the will of God? How by not conforming with the world,
but being transformed by the renewal of your mind. That is,
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unlike any other religion. Don't conform to the world, be
transformed by renewing your mind. How by testing it according
to the scripture, distinguishing good from evil? Who is God?
And who has God said that? Who has God told
us that he is as He's revealed himself in his word?
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And test everything else against that. It's like one test
when someone says, like I'm trying to decide to watch
this TV show or not. I'm trying to decide to
listen to this music or not. It's so easy if
you ask one question, does by doing this, does it
get me closer to God or further from God? And
if the answer is if the answer is neutral, then
it's further.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So it's like if you're trying, like I don't know
if I should watch this movie, well is it? It
doesn't have to be a Christian movie to be to
watch The Lord of the Rings, for example, and go
I see a great enemy, and I see a great good,
and I see the struggle of good triumphing over evil,
and that that makes me think of the Lord and
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our in spiritual warfare and his and our our struggle.
You know, like, okay, then good, then Lord of the
Rings would actually help you get closer to God. That's
a small example of like a secular movie. And so
you could do that with everything. So you could say,
would this tattoo, electronic tattoo get me closer to God
or further from Him?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I don't know the answer to that right.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Now, And if you just simply took how but even
before we hit record on this is what would I
use this for?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (48:21):
How could this benefit helping spread the gospel? That's your
answer from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I guarantee you my answer to a smartphone is yes,
it gets me closer to God. I guarantee you that
for many reasons. Now, if I got rid of my smartphone,
would I get me further from God? No? And that's
not what I'm saying. I'm saying. But by having it
as a tool, I could right now text to brother
and say how you doing your mother? Your mother passed
away two months ago? How are you doing to day?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I could take let's go to lunch. I could do
that and a lot faster than a letter or a courier.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
And there's no difference in in just the parameters of it.
Difference in that and a hammer. You decide how you
want to use it, because the hammer can destroy the
wall behind you, or it can put up the boards
that build that wall. It's the person using it. And
what you know, if you get this tattoo because it
helps you do what you can say? What if this
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helps you translate going on a mission trip helps you
translate much quicker and connect with someone much easier and
be able to share the Gospel in their language that
they can understand. That's the answer right there.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, well, you know what you're saying with that argument
is just a couple of pages back for me, and
I would say it would be the famous Romans eight
twenty eight. We know that for those who love God,
all things work together for good. All things, all things yep,
work together for good. And that can include a electronic
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tattoo for those who are called according to His purpose,
for those for whom he fore knew He also predestined
to be conformed to the image of his son and
order that we might be the first born among many brothers,
and those whom he predestined he also called, and those
we called he also justified, and those who we justified,
and he also glorified. I look at I think about
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First Thesalonians. Towards the end of the chapter, he says
he's talking about a stain from every form of form
of evil, and he says, test everything, hold fast, what
is good? Test everything? So like that could be a
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theme of this whole podcast. Should I get it? I
don't test it. I don't know. But but how do
I test it? By testing it against who God says
he is? Who does he say he is? Well, you
have to know who he is according to the way
the scriptures revealed him. How do you know that? Because
all scriptures bread that by God and profitable for teaching, reproof, correction,
for training and righteousness. Well, how do I train myself
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by not conforming to the world, but being transformed by
the renewal of my mind, so that by testing I
can distinguish what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
So these scripture a test to itself as we walk
through it. How to handle even electronic tattoo or anything
place anything in there? What do I do with this
test everything and hold fast what is good? How do
I know what is good by distinguishing good from evil?
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How do I do that by training? How do I
do that by reading the scripture? What does that do?
Because it gives light to who God is? And once
I see him for who he's revealed himself to be,
I could trust him and I could know what is
good and acceptable imperfect by not conforming to this world.
You see, this's like this scriptural loop we can go
(51:48):
through and just answers every question back to back to back,
including electronic tattoos.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, it's something I don't know what you were saying.
That also struck me from some thing I read this
week too, and it was the parable of the shrewd manager,
just in that it's in Luke sixteen, but a particular verse,
and here it says, here's the lesson use your worldly
resources to benefit others. If what you have, use it
to benefit those that God is calling.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
You to minister too. Yeah, to benefit others.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I would say, on top of all these things, there's
there was be one strict warning for this, and it's
not be careful. It's not the mark of the beast.
I think we've covered that you can't accidentally get It's right,
you'll be actively worshiping. But the but what we should
warn against is is like we would warn against with
anything else, do not idolize this very important. Don't idolize tech.
(52:47):
Don't let it become an idol, don't let it become
an addiction. Paul says that that anything is lawful, lawful
for me, and everything is. But yeah, we we have
to understand that yet not everything is profitable, not everything
is good. It might be lawful, Like would it be
(53:10):
lawful to get this electronic Yeah, sure, but that's that's
not always profitable for me. So so how does Paul
remedy that? Well, he says, I will not be addicted
to anything, yep. So if it becomes an addiction, it's
becoming an idol.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Let's say that definitely applies to tech, and.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
That applies to tech. So if this thing becomes something
that we would idolize, then we're breaking the first commandment
and we're putting another god before him, and then at
that point we're in serious trouble, far more serious trouble
than getting a mark of the beast yep, Because now
we've put another God before him, and we will be
judged for that. And how to how to how to
(53:53):
stop that? How to remedy that? You need a new heart?
How do you get a new heart? Trusting, believing in
the resurrection of Jesus, that he died, went to the cross,
lived a perfect life that we couldn't, and upon his
resurrection said look to me. Turn from yourself, turn from
your idols, turn from your technology that you've trusted and
looked to me, and trust in me, and you'll be
(54:15):
saved and forgiven, which is something that is the greatest
need of all humanity to be forgiven of our sins,
our sins that have separated us from a holy God. Yeah,
so amen, I think would you get it? Do you
get this thing? Like I said, probably, The answer is probably.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I would be in probably the first twenty percent, twenty
five percent.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
It'd be some testing before me.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
But I'll tell you right now that on the phone
sitting down there, I've had the new iOS twenty six
first beta all the way through where we are well,
I'm now we're past it. It's out for everybody now.
It is the operating the newest operating system. But when
it was in beta fe Yeah. I love playing with
that stuff and figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So let's add to the original question. Is Bill Gates's
new electronic tattooed demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Is it demonic? I mean anything could be? The I
mean can be depending on what's used for again, the hammer.
What's the hammer being used for?
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Is the hammered demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, in the hands of the right person, that's right,
swinging it at the right thing. Yes, sure, demonic?
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So yes, it could be. Is it in it of itself?
Now I don't think.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, I agree? All right, Love you guys, see you
next episode. Thank you so much for hanging out with
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