May 6, 2025 • 40 mins
Ben Feldman (Monsters at Work, Superstore) sets off into the sunset with Arturo as they hop on the trail of one of the Wild West's greatest outlaws, Kid Curry.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Olla, mios. This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you
the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today we're
telling an iconic story of the Old West, getting into
the life and escapes of Kid Curry, the wildness of
the Wild Bunch. I'm Aartoro Castro, and my guest today
is actor, producer and incredibly generous lover Ben Feldman. Ah wow, Ben,
(00:38):
welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Thank you for having me. Thank you for that incredible
intro music. That was really it'd be really funny if
you went straight from that into like a really kind
of Maudlin sad like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, So then everybody the story begins with everybody dying
and how that has affected masculinity throughout the generations.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So, Ben, what do you consider to be You're a
great as escape. No, you know what's funny is I
was thinking about it this morning because I was thinking
about escapes, and I guess I'm constantly having to be
reminded just sort of what a hashtag blast life I've had.
I was like, have you ever been trapped? And I had,
I mean, I've been trapped in like boring what like
there's been like jobs that I've bailed on and stuff
like that. But that's not interesting. I kept coming back
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to I got trapped in my head because I accidentally
took mescaline at a concert.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes, the year was nineteen sixty four. Well exactly, nobody
takes messal what does can you hear? Mescaline is essentially peyote,
And like I was at a fish concert.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
At turn of the century y two K, like the
two thousand when we all thought the computers were going
to kill us, and it was like a three day
event and by the third day, no one could find
any molly, like is what we were looking for? This
feels wrong to tell guess whatever familiar, but we were
looking around everything was you know, it was just like dry,
(02:04):
like there was just nothing. And then we kept kind
of yelling out for it, and all of a sudden,
this guy dressed as the Grim Reaper and by the way,
like I was like a theater major that like I
should understand foreshadowing. The Grim Reaper literally shows up and
is like, I've got all the molly you want, and
he gave us these pills and so we started watching
the show and I'm standing next to this guy who
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was like a huge he had a problem and I
just happen to be standing next to him, so I'm
kind of keeping up with him, and like he took
his first one, and then he took his second one,
and so I kept taking him. And then suddenly everybody
was a demon, like everybody's faces, and I looked around
and I was like, I got to get out of here.
Everybody's turned into a demon. And so I guess there
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is an escape because I'm leaving my friends. But I'll
take like one step and then I'll turn around and
they're like twenty yards away from me, and then they're
demons and people are melting into my shoulder. And then
I looked down at the gun and I thought it
was a battlefield because there's just bodies everywhere which were
in retrospect, probably people just like laying down, but to
me having.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The time of their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So they to me, this was just a what post?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Why are these soldiers dancing in rhythm?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's all of these things. And then the sun
came up and I saw everybody kind of wander back
to the tent like zombies. And I don't really remember
anything except the next thing I knew, I was in
a car with my friend Lily and we drove back
from Florida. Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Man, that's a great story.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's a great escape. That's that's like when I think
about like getting trapped. Yeah, I'm trotted in my own head.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That was a fantastic skit. In fact, we have one
of the producers, Carl, you here to tell me that
I can't. I can't do any of that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, Carl is like is having PTSD from the time
when him and I went to see an aqua concert
in Sweden in nineteen ninety eight. Man, that was a
fucking time, wasn't it. When they played I'm a Barbie Girl.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was a Barbie girl. I literally was a Barbie girl.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Ah, let me ask you something. And have you ever
considered robbing a train? Only?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Every day? When I think of all the places i'd
love to rob, which I do often, train is not
high on the list. It does not seem like a
very lucrative loot for me.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Do you like westerns is out of things?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, if it's a good one, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, today I'm going to tell you the greatest Western you've.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Ever heard of? Yellow Stony. I like yellow.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it's yellow stony. That's right, Kevin Cassler is coming on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Just like you're opening song.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's right, Well, let's escape, shall we ye? So Born
in Iowa in eighteen sixty seven, Harvey Logan and his
brother started out as wandering ranch hands and horse breakers,
working across the West from Wyoming to Colorado and then
down south all the way to Texas. No one knows
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exactly why he changed his name, to be honest, maybe
it was just a line of work, but at some
point Harvey decided it would be best to choose an alias.
So when he arrived in Rocky Point, Montana in the
fall of eighteen eighty four, he introduced himself as Harvey
Curry ODI partner, Curry Curry. That's right. He was ahead
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of the game in the Southeast Asian food spice market.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, I was expecting something a little more west.
You know, they all had nicknames. I was about to say, what.
Of course, he changed his name to steel Toe, bullet
chewer or whatever they called it, and he was Yeah,
he was just like Harvey Potpourrie was taking.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So. Historians guessed that Harvey was trying to outrun the
law because of a saloon brawl in Colorado. Also his
older brother was trying to make sure that he couldn't
be tracked down by his wife. Ben. Give me ah,
there you go, I.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Could do your sound effects. So anyway, this guy, this cowboy,
mister Curry.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. One of the local Montana ranchers said that Harvey
and his brother were the best cattle ropers around. They
were known for being hard working and good natured. So
it sounds like he's got a nice life of cattle
ranching ahead of him. But all that changed in eighteen
ninety four when Harvey tracked down his neighbor, Pike Lindunsky
at a bar. Pike, that's right. So the two men,
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these two men, these two neighbors had been feuding and
Harvey wanted to settle the score. We found Pike probably
a fucking alien.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So that's just great name though. I like the name Pike.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So he found him drinking at a bar and tapped
him on the shoulder and as he was turning around,
Harvey bam hit him in the jaw. Give me a yeah,
that's right, give me a yeah. Yeah, that's okay, that
won't hurt, Okay, that's is that the bar oo?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, there's an audience, right, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Good. So Harvey hit him in the jaw with a
right hook. Pike hit him back, and then the two
men ended up rolling on the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Harvey ended up on top of Pike, punching him until
the bystanders begged him to stop. Right, that's right, they
got there. They only have one level and that is shock,
So that that might have been the end of things.
But as Harvey was walking away, Pike drew his pistol
and he pointed it to Harvey's back and he pulled
the trigger. But the gun jam.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
No, no, I thought that only happened in movies.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I'm sure there's some embellishment here from I don't know.
It's fucking the West. Everybody's right, he's gun jammed, it responds.
I'm like, I don't buy it, but fuck it, I'm
saying it anyway. In response, Harvey shot Pike three times
in the chest. Can you like that is such classic
Western shit?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Though? Is it a three times the amount of times
he shot him?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Like the gun jams and they're like, you know, you're
beating him up and you were like walking away, all cool?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, what I don't understand is like, if there are
no rules, we can all use our guns and shoot
each other. Why are they rolling around before they got
to the rolling around on the floor part. I can't
believe a gun didn't come out. Why did the gun
not come out until sort of there he's exiting.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I know, maybe they just wanted to like duke it out,
you know, right, he didn't intend to kill Pike, but
then you know, got he got bystanders. I mean we've
heard him. They sounded fucking cool from whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You got to shoot someone if you want to hear
the ooze and eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Exactly, I get it. I totally got it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh did someone drop something? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Are those chains?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There was total chaos. He had one of those chain
wallets on and that was.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Just he just kept beating on the floor as he's
beating his ass. So Harvey's life of cattle ranching was
over from then on, right, he went on the run,
but he knew where he was going to go. He
set out for a banded camp called Hole in the Wall,
and he had some friends there. You see, while he
was running cattle, Harvey met some extremely wild dudes, including
a man who would served time for horse thieving in Sundance.
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And his name is Jasper Rebindo and his name is
cho Lemons.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So this was in Sunhans, Wyoming, Y. Of course, Sundance
Kid that was there, it is. Yeah, So Harvey Curry
now had a body to his name and met up
with the one and only Sundance Kid. Right, so soon
he had a new name to go with his new friend.
They called him Kid Curry. Whoa wow, Kid Curry.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, that sounds really modern, that sounds yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah yeah, and he had an awesome album, yeah exactly
in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He's like the liberal version of kid rock.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He's on the trail for Biden.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Not that's why he's seen the ways he used to
be right now he's bar leve. So he was on
the trail to become one of the most wanted criminals
in America. So Kid Curry, a very liberal man of
the twenty tents, and his friends started their outlet ways
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with a little cattle rustling. But bustling did you say that, yes, sir,
I rustling, I said, I said, well, which I assume
is stealing cows, right, that's what it is. I never
really bought it to ask, I mean, I thought they
just to be honest, I just I just thought they
like would tickle them, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was just like the.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Hair your little cow. But it turns out but stealing
cows didn't really scratchy itch for him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
The more they got away with it, the more they
wanted to try.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know, cows are like they're like pringles. You can't
just can't.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's like, we can only do about fifty a night.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Once you pop, you can't stop.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's right. So Kid Curry heard of another outlaw named
Butch Cassidy that had pulled off an eight thousand dollars
heights from a coal mine, and they were super inspired.
Maybe that's because the mind company was called castle Gate.
So that heist became known by the badass name the
castle Gate Robbery. And that, my friends, is brandame baby. Wow,
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all A Sadden didn't have somebody like Pikes Landusky or
whatever being like can we name it after me? Like no,
fucking no.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They finally got it right with some branding. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So for the target of his first big robbery, Kit
Curry and his gang picked a bank in South Dakota.
They knew it well because it was a place where
cattle drivers would get together to deposit their money right,
so the gang expected it would hold about thirty thousand dollars,
which is about a million dollars in today's money. So
three days after the reunion, Kit Curry and five of
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his cronies rode into town ready for a heist. But
things started to go kind of wrong from the start
because the man that they had sent us a lookout
to scout the location, he scouted this way right into
a fucking saloon. He was totally trash drunk. By the
time others arrived, he was drunk. He was just like,
I'm gonna scout this. I think that was a problem
a lot back then.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I feel like like saloon's gotten away over a lot
of bit, Like how many.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Saloons would were they just in their place everywhere?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean when I imagine the Old West, I just
imagined saloons and like saloons porches. Yeah, everything has all
just people shooting you from a slightly elevated porch in
front of you from like winging awkwardly elevated.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But it's not like not high enough where you have
to take a big step, but it's just like a
step from there. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And why the swinging doors. I have a lot of
questions for them, but.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's why we will answer all of them after the show.
So without this guy, the robbers didn't They just rushed
into the bank with their guns drawn, demanding money. You know,
they didn't know what to expect, so they ordered everyone
to put their hands up, but then they just had
no idea what to do next. So afterwards, the bystanders
said that they look really confused, like they didn't expect
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the plan to actually worked. And I I love the
idea of like just the vicestanders giving them suggestions, you know,
be like, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Think you're supposed to wave the gun around all of us.
It would make us I'm not feeling really threatened back here, sorry,
can we? There's just your voice lacks like a confidence.
You need to own the room, you know yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's right, call me a low life again, exactly like
they started collecting money from from all the customers in
the bank, but that took way too long because bystanders
started to notice them from the outside, right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right, So now I'm sorry to stop you here, but
they're in a bank. Isn't there a vault? Like they're
going around a forgot each person.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
One, one by fucking one. They asked them to give
them their money, which doesn't make any sense, right because.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
They could have won to any They could have gone
to the saloon and done that. That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But they're like, why is this fucking taking so long?
I was like, because he didn't go to a fucking mault.
Man Like, because you're literally there.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love to imagine somebody be like, oh no, sorry,
and they're like, okay, moving on. That one didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, I only have a one? Is that okay?
Or can you can you change the change?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, give her change and make it snappy. So this
is when the drunk lookout finally sprung into action for
some reason. Finally, you know, he was super drunk. So
he's when when the bystanders from the outside started noticing.
He just started shooting randomly at them right right in
the street bystanders, and the bystanders looking into the bank like, oh,
what the fuck's going on in the bank. So he's
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just like, ah, nothing to see here, shoot shoot at
your bank, bank, bank, this is totally normal. You're good,
You're okay, don't look here, just move along. So he
started shooting randomly at them in the street, and the
gunfires scared the robbers inside the bank.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Uh, so they started.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Shooting wildly out of the windows, and then they ran
off before they could get into the bank safe. Right,
So it was just a complete confusion caused by moonshine whiskey.
So they rushed outside, they jumped on their horses and
galloped out of town. They came away with less than
one hundred dollars in cash, which is I don't know,
like three thousand something in today's money.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Right, so when they went between them, not a big
not a big no no.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So when the shooting started, though, it scared the drunk
lookouts horse, which ran away.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Of course, there it goes, there goes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's that's the actual sound of the actual horse actually,
and that horse's name was Sandwich McGillicuddy. Yeah, that's right.
So it left him to get caught, right, Like, if
you're the drunk guy by this point, and what do
you what do you think you do? Like your horse
ran away?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Like you're like, I mean I'd go back into the saloon.
I feel like I have friends in there. You know,
you didn't shoot anybody in there, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He did something similar but way like less discreet. He
tried to act like he wasn't involved by running into
an outhouse and throwing his gun and his knife down
the hole, right, but like the townspeople have just watched
him shoot at them, So.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Make an id this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, he took four steps to the outhouse. We're like,
we just saw you. So he pushed over the outhouse.
They raked through the ship, collected his weapons, and forced
him to confess to the crime and describe the outlawst plans.
I can imagine being like, fine, I'll tell you. Also,
just stop waving that shitty gun in my face. That's
fucking nasty, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, it weren't the outlaws plans clear at this point,
like why did why are these the townspeople asking him
to explain the plan? The plans? What did they want
to do? Did we went in to that bank with
those guns? What did you want?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, they wanted you saw it, you were there, you
gave them suggestions and still how to do it. I
don't know why you're asking me about it. So the
authorities across the West were on the lookout for kid Curry,
and he was recognized in Montana two months later while
buying camp supplies, so soon a posse was on his trail.
The posse was heavily armed and they caught up with
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Curry and the Sundance kid while they were setting up camp.
Sundance was too far from his gear to make an escape,
but Kid Curry ran to his horse. He jumped on
and kicked into a gallop as he rode off, though
one of the posse fired his rifle, scared me and
shot a hole in Curry's wrist right. The bullet went
straight through the horse's neck too, so the horse collapsed
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into a sand dune and Curry surrendered when the posse arrived.
So I just keep in mind this shot in the
wrist because it will be importantly. That's called foreshadowing. In September,
the men were taking to Deadwood, South Dakota, where they
were held in the jail to stand trial. This is
exactly when Kid Curry made his first first jail break.
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One night, when the jailer was coming back from a
date with his wife, good that they were keeping the
marriage alive.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Do you think they went to the saloon too or
their restaurants.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They went to the saloon and then they went to
rob a bank real quick, and then they they checked
literally it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They went to buy new swinging doors.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Honey, what do you like these doors? They're kind of swinging.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I feel like our doors don't swing, like, Oh, get
you some swing doors, Jesus Christy they are so After
the day, they chicked in on the prisoners and he
saw that they were still locked in the building, but
they had somehow gotten out of their cells.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
When he ordered them back inside so he could lock
them in, they said that their cells were closed and
that they were locked out. So confused the jailer, God
bless them. The jailer opened the prison to check the
locks on the cell doors, and the prisoners jumped him,
which was not anticipated by anybody in history.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Obviously, were so dumbe.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
What the fuck? He's like, hey, get back in there, Sorry,
we're locked down. I was like, okay, I'll come in
and lock you on our system. Yeah okay, yeah you
get I'll come and figure it out for you. List once,
but next time it happens again, you do it by yourself.
So they beat his ass and they locked him and
his wife in the cell. Thankfully they didn't know. They
went on the date they got to go on, the
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date they got into day, and like afterwards, they're like,
are you it's exhilarina? Is I you known escape? Yeah?
He was like, I don't totally fine at all. I'm
sorry I didn't get you the swinging door. So you
said you wanted some excitement in your life. So more
than sixty men joined the search for the escapees over
the next few days, but false sightings had the authorities
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running in circles. Es Kid Curry and the Sun Dance
Kid stole horses and made their escape. So we're gonna
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get some really cool music because we're going to introduce
chapter three.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh okay, there you go there, very cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Thank you, very cool. So the fact that Kid Curry's
first bank heist didn't go very well didn't keep him
from planning more robberies, right, So him and the Sundance
Kid were treated to Utah, where they were welcomed by
a new part in crime, their bandit hero Butch Cassidy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right right there we go.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We get famous people here, betchay, what's going on? He's like, guys,
I just met a guy called Salvatory Peninsula. So when
Curry's gang arrived at Butch Cassidy's hideout. It was the
first official meeting of the group that would become the
Wild Bunch, and for the next four years, Kid Curry,
Butch and the Sundance Kid would carry out a string
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of the biggest, most balls out heists in American history.
It started in July and eighteen ninety eight with a
train robbery in Nevada. Two robbers on the train forced
the engineer and the brakeman to stop at a mile
marker where Kit Curry was waiting with the horses. There,
they used explosives to blow open the safe, demolishing an
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entire train car in the process, which seems successive. I'm
just going to say that, So.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
There's a safe on the train.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
There's a safe on the train, and that's the money.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That the people paid to get on the train.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm sure it's like they're transporting money.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're transporting money. It's going from one place to another. Yeah,
this is a specific train. They didn't specific train. They
weren't like trains have a lot of money. Let's go
rob a train. I'm tied.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
These banks, man, these trains they're just like the banks,
so predictably lucrative let me make it, let me work
for it, let me work for this.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Let's take a chance, maybe this train.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So newspaper said that they made off with anything from
nine thou to twenty six thousand dollars, which in today's
world would be almost a million dollars. So that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And there's thilly of them, right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, well, listen, listen. If this show was named the
Greatest Heists, we might go into detail about them, but
I'm just gonna quickly name you what they were. Okay, Okay,
So we have the Wilcox train robbery. Sh there you go,
the Fullsome train robbery, the Tipton train robbery, the Exeter
Creek train robbery, and all the other train robberies. Okay,
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so listen. Over the next couple of years, Kid Curry
and the gang used to same method to pull off
a string of infamous train robberies, and after each one
he would just kind of lie low and chill for
a few months and just enjoy himself. I mean, in
today's money, they were each getting like four hundred thousand
dollars a pop. I don't know if you had that
much money drop into your lap all at once, how
would you spend it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I would have paid fish to come play in my
backyard and not do that whole thing all over again,
y two K and everything. So listen.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So between jobs, the gang would split, it would split up, right,
Kid Curry would travel from town to town playing cool,
drinking apricot brandy and telling people that he met that
he was a railroad man. What can we assume with
a dude who drinks apricot brandy, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Day, Yeah, it's very And that was pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, he'sds twirling his mustache and you know, in my
he really had a sick ass mustache.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean didn't I guess everybody had a mustache back then. Yeah,
you know, they had different trademarks.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And that was one of his.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Why are they why are they both? Kid? By the way,
what's the deal? Like? How old are these guys? Do
you know?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Seventy two?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Geriatric? Kid?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Kid Curry actually partied the hardest. He was the kind
of a bad boy of the wild Bunch, and he
got a reputation both as the infamous killer of the
crew but also as the most frequent lover. Yes yeah,
women across the West claim that he was the father
of their children, and if all the stories were true,
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he would have had like eighty five kids. Wow, oh
my god, that fucking thing plays in my head if
I play, Like if somehow I leave the computer on
and I hear that in the middle of the night,
I will die of a heart attack. You know how
they say that there's no more beautiful sound than that
of a baby's laughter unless you live by yourself, and
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there is no baby, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And by the way, I have two children, and I
can't stand babies, and I hate and that sound is
trauma regering for me too.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh man, So this guy's this guy's going around.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He's banging left and rights, he's having sex.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He's a railroad man. He's drinking.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She's got the Is he the one with the appercop Brandy?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, he loves the apracom venny.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Every now and then the Wild Bunge would get back
together and for some harmless fun, right Like in December
of nineteen hundred, Kid Curry, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance
Kid all got together with a few of the other
friends for a wedding where they took the now very
famous picture. So It shows them in perfectly tailored suits
with show we watch chains ties and waistcoasts, and apparently
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they'd all gotten new bowler hats and they tossed them
on their head at jaunty angles because they're like, oh,
are you doing? Are you doing, johnd Angle? I'm doing, John.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
These guys are adorable. They're so cute.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So the string of successful robberies by the Wild Bunch
was of course drawing a lot of attention, and that
included the attention of the railroad's favorite protection service, the
Pinkerton Detective Agency, which I don't know why they spoke
like that, but that's historically accurate. When the photographer gave
his negatives to the Pinkertons, that famous photograph became the
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wanted poster for the Wild Bunch. It was printed all
across America.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I heard some people started to send their loved ones
the picks that they want used if they ever go missing.
You know. But I'm wondering, like, is there one that
you would not want to be stuck with ever?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah? I mean, if you google image me pre two thousand,
let's say nine, any of those pictures that was just a.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Huge yes, you can smell the X bodiespoke exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It was ever mean. Everybody was a disaster back then,
but I I was not the exception.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So once everyone started to recognize their faces, members of
the Wild Bunch started to get picked off. Some were killed,
others were caught and locked up for their crimes, and
eventually Butch and the Sundance Kid decided to take their
money and leave the country. They thought if they could
make it to South America, they could become like legitimate
farmers there. So in March of nineteen oh one, they
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boarded a ship for Argentina carrying twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
In gold, which I imagine is heavy.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, that's right. They probably had a bunch of chests.
And I love that people in the steamer are being like,
I don't know, they seemed perfectly normal to have twelve
chests of heavy shot.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They don't seem to change into a lot of different clothes,
but they packed a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know what kept striking that pose of that
of those wild Wold Bunch guys.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
They were taking picture.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They came once with the Apple brand. Another picture again, Yeah,
carry on the other side. Yeah, he believed this one
at sunset. Yeah, this whe in moonlight.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The guys are adorable.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So Kid Curry, on the other hand, believed that there
were still places in the United States where he could
hide out, living under a false identity, and he might
even try to pull off another heister through things had
gone according to Plant so far, so he thought he
was untouchable. But he was wrong. So with Butch and
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the Sundance Kid off the scene, Kid Curry became the
biggest name of the Wild Bunch still at large in
the USA. In September nineteen oh one, Kid Curry was
traveling across the South and he was staying in luxury
hotels and entertaining himself at Brothels and pool halls.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
By the way, you asked me what I would do
if someone just dumped a bunch of money into my lap.
I think Kid Curry and I would be would be
pretty similar hotel.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Also, also, I'm noticing that nineteen oh one now has
pool hall, So we moved on from Saloons and that
was there's Brothels pool How is the diversifying.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, it's just sort of an old Vegas. It just
sounds like everything.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's just everything goes. But Kid Curry ran into some trouble.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Don't don't dunt.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He was traveling with a girlfriend when she was arrested
at a Nashville bank trying to exchange some of the
money that they had stolen from a train. The Pinkertons
and the police they had kept a strict account of
the numbered bills that they were missing, right, so now
they knew someone connected with the train robberies was attempting
to spend money in Nashville, so they closed in. So
when his girlfriend didn't come back from the bank, Kid
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Curry got spooked. He was sure that the detectives had
nabbed her, so he hiked into the Tennessee Mountains to
hide out. But you know, Kit Curry isn't really cut
out for the quiet life, and after a few weeks
he started to get wrestless. So you're Kid Curry, you're
chilling in the Tennessee Mountains. You're bored out of your mind.
How do you cook up a little excitement? What do
you do? How do you fill your time?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Maybe write a musical? Is that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yes? And that's what he did? Okay, f.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Music The One Man's show yey.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Hey, welcome everybody to that huh came.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Out whoaa, And this is how Oklahoma started exact hu
Jegman started that in nineteen oh one.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So he waited until he thought that the investigation had
blown over, and he decided to go for another round
of good times in Knoxville. On Friday, December the thirteenth,
Curry was at the Knoxville Central Bar when he had
some mad luck For Kit Curry, he made the trouble himself.
So he was playing cards with other regulars when something
set him off and he attacked two of the other players,
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choking and hitting them, and they just started Yeah, there
you go, there's a bar bystanders. They started brawling and
the noise of the fight brought in two police officers
who were walking by on the street. When they got closed,
they tried to ask him questions. Kit Curry pulled out
a gun from his jacket and started shooting. Yep, that's yeah.
The two officers were close enough to club him with
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their sticks.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And what terrible aim he has if they're close enough
to club him.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, why are he's getting well across Brandy? I think
is to blame him much afric Yeah, so one even
splintered his club over Curry's head, but both men ended
the fight with bullet wounds from Curry. So Kid Curry
ran out into the dark knight trailing blood. The local
shaff brought in dogs and tracked him through the night,
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and police calmed the area. Kid Curry was finally caught
thirty miles north walking the railroad tracks, and once he
was in custody, they worked to identify him. Remember how
they would have identify him the rest The gunshot wound
in his rest gave him rind of a buzz everybody wow, yeah, gloves,
So they realized that he was He had been captured
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in Montana, and they were super ecstatic. Right, the prisoner
was Kid Curry. The wildness of the wild Bunch. When
he was finally brought to Knox County jail, ward had
already spread. He was met by a crowd of hundreds
just there to watch him get thrown into jail. Wow.
It took almost like a year and a half for
Kit Curry's case to go through the courts. The local
sheriff had to fend off visitors and intercept packages of
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escape tools like hacksaws, etc. Now, clearly Curry had friends
on the outside who were trying to get him out. However,
nobody actually liked him in the courtroom because in November,
kid Curry was sentenced to one hundred and thirty years
of hard labor in the federal penitentiary. So kit Curry
decided to take his freedom into his own hands. A
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few days later, as the jailer was making his rounds
to check in on the prisoner, kit Curry called him
to look out the window, but when he did, the
jailer found a loop of wire whipped over his head,
dropped down over his neck, and kid Curry pulled it tight.
With the wire cutting into his throat, the guard was
forced to put his hands through the bars, where kit
Curry tied him in place. Now, once the guard was bound,
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kid Curry pulled a long makeshift grappling hook from its
hiding place in the prison bathroom and from the jail hallway.
He was able to reach through the bars and hook
the sh shoe box that held the guard's weapons. Like
this is like some cartoon shit, right.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm so silly because I'm expecting this sort of andy
de frame kind of like like smart shawshank, you know,
escape and no, this is my man, kid, He's gonna
be it's gonna be blunt force.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He's not gonna be bothered by the mathematics.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
No math, yeah, no, no crawling.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm gonna reach for that shoe. Oh so, police station,
you have your shit in like a shoe box like thing,
and like it's in visibility for other prisoners. Probably not
the best idea. So he pulled it over and now
he had a cold forty five and then he waited.
A second guard had the prison keys. So at four
point eighty that afternoon, the man arrived and kid Curry
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was held on the second floor and as soon as
the jailer reached the top of the steps, he was
looking down the barrel of a pistol. The choice was clear,
opened the prison door immediately or die. Oh yeah. Curry
gathered his things, holding the man at gunpoint, and when
he was he put the gun in the guard's back
and walked him downstairs and out to the stable. Kid
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Curry forced the guard to prepare him a horse, and
he chose the one belonging to the local sheriff, James Fox.
Why that's insult to injury, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Like? Why take the share him a horse? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I said a course, and I was like, of course,
this is this dude's.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I needed to take a quick course on how to.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Probably a course like a part of a meal, you know, like, oh,
the guy had to prepare him.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He wanted to.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Make me a bo bay.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yes, he wanted a course on musical theater writing skills.
So once a horse was ready, Kid Curry jumped into
the saddle and trotted out of town. He was seen
by people all along the road. Some of them didn't
recognize him, but since he was riding slowly, he didn't
raise suspicions. There's some accounts that a few Knoxville residents
didn't know who he was and called their friends to
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come and see. As the infamous Kit Curry rode out
of town. As usual, pose gathered, but they weren't able
to track him down. For more than fifteen miles. Before
that lost his trail, Kid Curry vanished into legend. You're
ready for the last bit of this, riding off into
the sunset? Yes, yes, sunset, thank you. So what happened
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next for Kid Curry is a mystery right all through
nineteen oh four. Stories and legends from across the West
placed him in Unsolved train robberies and shootouts where the
gunman wasn't identified and among the thieves when horses went missing.
Other papers reported that he was in Wyoming or Montana.
A letter actually arrived at the Knoxville jail and said,
tell the boys not to follow my footsteps and keep
out of trouble. It had a California mailing address and
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sent the pinkertons on a cross country wild goose chase.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
After one Colorado train robbery in nineteen oh four, sheriff
deputies arrived quickly on the scene. More than one hundred
men with horses and bloodhounds hunted down the bandits, and
rainfall made their tracks easy to follow in the mud
with the posse close after them. The bandit stopped at
arranged to steel fresh horses, but the owners somehow didn't
like that weird, so the men exchanged gunfire with the
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bandits and one of the robbers was hit in the chest.
Now before his buddies could stop him, he raised his
gun to a semple and he shouted, don't wait for me,
and he fired now. When the body was brought to
Glenwood Springs, Colorado, it was actually identified by locals as
a man named J. H. Ross and buried in a
poor man's grave. Except there were two things that raised
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some questions about the real identity of the body. Number
one the fact that the real J. H. Ross arrived
in town a few days later to prove that he
wasn't dead. He was like, what the fuck you, guys,
and why's my wife with somebody in two days?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And the second is that the body had the scar
of a bullet wound on his right wrist. Motherfuckers, my goodness.
But people just didn't want to believe that kid Curry
was dead, you know. They wanted to believe that he
made it through the firefight and that he lived on
in secret. A lot of denial, you know. So one
story says that Kit Curry actually died in an asylum
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in nineteen thirty seven. Another one says, no, no, actually
he settled down in Spokane, Washington and lived until the
late nineteen fifties. Another one says, no, he moved to Guatemala,
became an actor, it got dimples, and it's still living.
It like, wait, what the fuck? But then there is
one last I was referring to myself, okay, but there's
one last toice to these myths. Okay, some of Kit
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Curry's descendants have wanted to dig up the body in
Colorado to do some genetic testing to verify where he's buried,
but when they arrived, the body could not be found.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Ah, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
The records of the burial plot were lost. And that's
a story of Kit Curry. Everybody, ye ya, wow.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Well, okay, I'm still stuck on how old is this?
How old is kid? Because he's he's doing all these
robberies and everything, and at the turn of the century,
and then some accounts have him living until mid century nineteen.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So let's say he was doing the robberies robberies in
his uh late teens or eighteens, it would have to
be well, but you're right, though, because if he was
arranging for ten years, he must have been older than that.
So let's say, like from twenty five to thirty five,
and then if he died in the fifties, he must
have been.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
What if he's a bunch of people, you know, like
what if he's not just one guy eight algamation like
doctor Strange, like Doctor Strange or Shakespeare. But isn't that fascinating?
That is that's pretty that's pretty crazy. And his buddies
who I know who I've heard of way more are
just off in South America ranching and they just have
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accents now and they took like this and they like it,
like they immediately adopted the accents immediately.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
What are what are ridiculous Latin names that you think
they chose as their alias?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Dansa they didn't really like high round.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
They didn't do they didn't change.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know, like they really they.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Added maybe one more syllable that was about it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Then how can people find you?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Do you want my address? Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
How can How can people.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Coming from the one oh one?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Is there anything you'd like people to check out or
or be aware of?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
No? I mean there's the things that I've done. There's
things I've got coming up that I that aren't talk
about able yet. I mean, I've got a I've got
an animated show called Monsters at Work on Disney. It's
super that's the Monster's univer Monsters And that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I wrote, Yeah, I love the monsters.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It so fights me and and it's all that you know,
It's like Billy Crystal and Jen Goodman and all the
it's like Mindy Kayling and I Winkler.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's such a cool of course, sweetest guy in the world,
and he is the best listen. I always believe that,
like old timey Western country songs are just kind of
describing what you're doing at that present moment. You know,
this is like a comedian said this joke before. But
what what I've noticed is that they're just running out
of shit to say about their days. So now it's
getting even more mundane. So as an outdro we would
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like to have Ben play some music and us to
make up some really stupid lyrics to that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Would you be up for that? Yeah, it's just stuff
we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Stuff we're doing right now. What we think about the episode,
fuck it whatever, that's, whatever goes. If it doesn't work,
we'll totally cut it out.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Sure, No, we won't.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Okay, Ben, give us some good So this is like
old timey country, but it's like Neil Young kind of.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay soft, there's heart to it.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, yeah, Argentina in the distance, can you see it?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Butch oh? Are we the characters from the story?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yes? Butch can you see what I see? I see
the hole in your wrist. It's getting deeper and deeper.
But a day should put a bend aid on in
rapper called whiskey, the Apricott whiskey. I've had all the fruits.
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I've tried with cranberry and it didn't work. That Brandy
t is nice Apricot Brandy for live.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
God, this has been such a pleasure, Ben, Thank you
so much, brother, And we'll give you the rights of
the music once we played.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh, that song is gonna be huge. That's gonna be
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come up
with like a music like I'm Kid Feldman.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Now you're kidman who likes Kurt.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Massamon Feldman.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Brady's Escapes is a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation
Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio or Executive producers for
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Film Nation Entertainment, Andrew Chug and Witning Donaldson from Gilded Audio,
and Dylan Fagan from iHeartRadio. The show was produced and
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week
Olla, mios. This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you
the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today we're
telling an iconic story of the Old West, getting into
the life and escapes of Kid Curry, the wildness of
the Wild Bunch. I'm Aartoro Castro, and my guest today
is actor, producer and incredibly generous lover Ben Feldman. Ah wow, Ben,
(00:38):
welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Thank you for having me. Thank you for that incredible
intro music. That was really it'd be really funny if
you went straight from that into like a really kind
of Maudlin sad like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, So then everybody the story begins with everybody dying
and how that has affected masculinity throughout the generations.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So, Ben, what do you consider to be You're a
great as escape. No, you know what's funny is I
was thinking about it this morning because I was thinking
about escapes, and I guess I'm constantly having to be
reminded just sort of what a hashtag blast life I've had.
I was like, have you ever been trapped? And I had,
I mean, I've been trapped in like boring what like
there's been like jobs that I've bailed on and stuff
like that. But that's not interesting. I kept coming back
(01:20):
to I got trapped in my head because I accidentally
took mescaline at a concert.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes, the year was nineteen sixty four. Well exactly, nobody
takes messal what does can you hear? Mescaline is essentially peyote,
And like I was at a fish concert.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
At turn of the century y two K, like the
two thousand when we all thought the computers were going
to kill us, and it was like a three day
event and by the third day, no one could find
any molly, like is what we were looking for? This
feels wrong to tell guess whatever familiar, but we were
looking around everything was you know, it was just like dry,
(02:04):
like there was just nothing. And then we kept kind
of yelling out for it, and all of a sudden,
this guy dressed as the Grim Reaper and by the way,
like I was like a theater major that like I
should understand foreshadowing. The Grim Reaper literally shows up and
is like, I've got all the molly you want, and
he gave us these pills and so we started watching
the show and I'm standing next to this guy who
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was like a huge he had a problem and I
just happen to be standing next to him, so I'm
kind of keeping up with him, and like he took
his first one, and then he took his second one,
and so I kept taking him. And then suddenly everybody
was a demon, like everybody's faces, and I looked around
and I was like, I got to get out of here.
Everybody's turned into a demon. And so I guess there
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is an escape because I'm leaving my friends. But I'll
take like one step and then I'll turn around and
they're like twenty yards away from me, and then they're
demons and people are melting into my shoulder. And then
I looked down at the gun and I thought it
was a battlefield because there's just bodies everywhere which were
in retrospect, probably people just like laying down, but to
me having.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The time of their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So they to me, this was just a what post?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Why are these soldiers dancing in rhythm?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's all of these things. And then the sun
came up and I saw everybody kind of wander back
to the tent like zombies. And I don't really remember
anything except the next thing I knew, I was in
a car with my friend Lily and we drove back
from Florida. Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Man, that's a great story.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's a great escape. That's that's like when I think
about like getting trapped. Yeah, I'm trotted in my own head.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That was a fantastic skit. In fact, we have one
of the producers, Carl, you here to tell me that
I can't. I can't do any of that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, Carl is like is having PTSD from the time
when him and I went to see an aqua concert
in Sweden in nineteen ninety eight. Man, that was a
fucking time, wasn't it. When they played I'm a Barbie Girl.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was a Barbie girl. I literally was a Barbie girl.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Ah, let me ask you something. And have you ever
considered robbing a train? Only?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Every day? When I think of all the places i'd
love to rob, which I do often, train is not
high on the list. It does not seem like a
very lucrative loot for me.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Do you like westerns is out of things?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, if it's a good one, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, today I'm going to tell you the greatest Western you've.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Ever heard of? Yellow Stony. I like yellow.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it's yellow stony. That's right, Kevin Cassler is coming on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Just like you're opening song.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's right, Well, let's escape, shall we ye? So Born
in Iowa in eighteen sixty seven, Harvey Logan and his
brother started out as wandering ranch hands and horse breakers,
working across the West from Wyoming to Colorado and then
down south all the way to Texas. No one knows
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exactly why he changed his name, to be honest, maybe
it was just a line of work, but at some
point Harvey decided it would be best to choose an alias.
So when he arrived in Rocky Point, Montana in the
fall of eighteen eighty four, he introduced himself as Harvey
Curry ODI partner, Curry Curry. That's right. He was ahead
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of the game in the Southeast Asian food spice market.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, I was expecting something a little more west.
You know, they all had nicknames. I was about to say, what.
Of course, he changed his name to steel Toe, bullet
chewer or whatever they called it, and he was Yeah,
he was just like Harvey Potpourrie was taking.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So. Historians guessed that Harvey was trying to outrun the
law because of a saloon brawl in Colorado. Also his
older brother was trying to make sure that he couldn't
be tracked down by his wife. Ben. Give me ah,
there you go, I.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Could do your sound effects. So anyway, this guy, this cowboy,
mister Curry.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. One of the local Montana ranchers said that Harvey
and his brother were the best cattle ropers around. They
were known for being hard working and good natured. So
it sounds like he's got a nice life of cattle
ranching ahead of him. But all that changed in eighteen
ninety four when Harvey tracked down his neighbor, Pike Lindunsky
at a bar. Pike, that's right. So the two men,
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these two men, these two neighbors had been feuding and
Harvey wanted to settle the score. We found Pike probably
a fucking alien.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So that's just great name though. I like the name Pike.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So he found him drinking at a bar and tapped
him on the shoulder and as he was turning around,
Harvey bam hit him in the jaw. Give me a yeah,
that's right, give me a yeah. Yeah, that's okay, that
won't hurt, Okay, that's is that the bar oo?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, there's an audience, right, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Good. So Harvey hit him in the jaw with a
right hook. Pike hit him back, and then the two
men ended up rolling on the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Harvey ended up on top of Pike, punching him until
the bystanders begged him to stop. Right, that's right, they
got there. They only have one level and that is shock,
So that that might have been the end of things.
But as Harvey was walking away, Pike drew his pistol
and he pointed it to Harvey's back and he pulled
the trigger. But the gun jam.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
No, no, I thought that only happened in movies.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I'm sure there's some embellishment here from I don't know.
It's fucking the West. Everybody's right, he's gun jammed, it responds.
I'm like, I don't buy it, but fuck it, I'm
saying it anyway. In response, Harvey shot Pike three times
in the chest. Can you like that is such classic
Western shit?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Though? Is it a three times the amount of times
he shot him?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Like the gun jams and they're like, you know, you're
beating him up and you were like walking away, all cool?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, what I don't understand is like, if there are
no rules, we can all use our guns and shoot
each other. Why are they rolling around before they got
to the rolling around on the floor part. I can't
believe a gun didn't come out. Why did the gun
not come out until sort of there he's exiting.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I know, maybe they just wanted to like duke it out,
you know, right, he didn't intend to kill Pike, but
then you know, got he got bystanders. I mean we've
heard him. They sounded fucking cool from whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You got to shoot someone if you want to hear
the ooze and eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Exactly, I get it. I totally got it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh did someone drop something? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Are those chains?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There was total chaos. He had one of those chain
wallets on and that was.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Just he just kept beating on the floor as he's
beating his ass. So Harvey's life of cattle ranching was
over from then on, right, he went on the run,
but he knew where he was going to go. He
set out for a banded camp called Hole in the Wall,
and he had some friends there. You see, while he
was running cattle, Harvey met some extremely wild dudes, including
a man who would served time for horse thieving in Sundance.
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And his name is Jasper Rebindo and his name is
cho Lemons.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So this was in Sunhans, Wyoming, Y. Of course, Sundance
Kid that was there, it is. Yeah, So Harvey Curry
now had a body to his name and met up
with the one and only Sundance Kid. Right, so soon
he had a new name to go with his new friend.
They called him Kid Curry. Whoa wow, Kid Curry.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, that sounds really modern, that sounds yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah yeah, and he had an awesome album, yeah exactly
in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He's like the liberal version of kid rock.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He's on the trail for Biden.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Not that's why he's seen the ways he used to
be right now he's bar leve. So he was on
the trail to become one of the most wanted criminals
in America. So Kid Curry, a very liberal man of
the twenty tents, and his friends started their outlet ways
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with a little cattle rustling. But bustling did you say that, yes, sir,
I rustling, I said, I said, well, which I assume
is stealing cows, right, that's what it is. I never
really bought it to ask, I mean, I thought they
just to be honest, I just I just thought they
like would tickle them, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was just like the.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Hair your little cow. But it turns out but stealing
cows didn't really scratchy itch for him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
The more they got away with it, the more they
wanted to try.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know, cows are like they're like pringles. You can't
just can't.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's like, we can only do about fifty a night.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Once you pop, you can't stop.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's right. So Kid Curry heard of another outlaw named
Butch Cassidy that had pulled off an eight thousand dollars
heights from a coal mine, and they were super inspired.
Maybe that's because the mind company was called castle Gate.
So that heist became known by the badass name the
castle Gate Robbery. And that, my friends, is brandame baby. Wow,
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all A Sadden didn't have somebody like Pikes Landusky or
whatever being like can we name it after me? Like no,
fucking no.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They finally got it right with some branding. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So for the target of his first big robbery, Kit
Curry and his gang picked a bank in South Dakota.
They knew it well because it was a place where
cattle drivers would get together to deposit their money right,
so the gang expected it would hold about thirty thousand dollars,
which is about a million dollars in today's money. So
three days after the reunion, Kit Curry and five of
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his cronies rode into town ready for a heist. But
things started to go kind of wrong from the start
because the man that they had sent us a lookout
to scout the location, he scouted this way right into
a fucking saloon. He was totally trash drunk. By the
time others arrived, he was drunk. He was just like,
I'm gonna scout this. I think that was a problem
a lot back then.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I feel like like saloon's gotten away over a lot
of bit, Like how many.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Saloons would were they just in their place everywhere?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean when I imagine the Old West, I just
imagined saloons and like saloons porches. Yeah, everything has all
just people shooting you from a slightly elevated porch in
front of you from like winging awkwardly elevated.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But it's not like not high enough where you have
to take a big step, but it's just like a
step from there. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And why the swinging doors. I have a lot of
questions for them, but.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's why we will answer all of them after the show.
So without this guy, the robbers didn't They just rushed
into the bank with their guns drawn, demanding money. You know,
they didn't know what to expect, so they ordered everyone
to put their hands up, but then they just had
no idea what to do next. So afterwards, the bystanders
said that they look really confused, like they didn't expect
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the plan to actually worked. And I I love the
idea of like just the vicestanders giving them suggestions, you know,
be like, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Think you're supposed to wave the gun around all of us.
It would make us I'm not feeling really threatened back here, sorry,
can we? There's just your voice lacks like a confidence.
You need to own the room, you know yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's right, call me a low life again, exactly like
they started collecting money from from all the customers in
the bank, but that took way too long because bystanders
started to notice them from the outside, right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right, So now I'm sorry to stop you here, but
they're in a bank. Isn't there a vault? Like they're
going around a forgot each person.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
One, one by fucking one. They asked them to give
them their money, which doesn't make any sense, right because.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
They could have won to any They could have gone
to the saloon and done that. That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But they're like, why is this fucking taking so long?
I was like, because he didn't go to a fucking mault.
Man Like, because you're literally there.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love to imagine somebody be like, oh no, sorry,
and they're like, okay, moving on. That one didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, I only have a one? Is that okay?
Or can you can you change the change?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, give her change and make it snappy. So this
is when the drunk lookout finally sprung into action for
some reason. Finally, you know, he was super drunk. So
he's when when the bystanders from the outside started noticing.
He just started shooting randomly at them right right in
the street bystanders, and the bystanders looking into the bank like, oh,
what the fuck's going on in the bank. So he's
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just like, ah, nothing to see here, shoot shoot at
your bank, bank, bank, this is totally normal. You're good,
You're okay, don't look here, just move along. So he
started shooting randomly at them in the street, and the
gunfires scared the robbers inside the bank.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Uh, so they started.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Shooting wildly out of the windows, and then they ran
off before they could get into the bank safe. Right,
So it was just a complete confusion caused by moonshine whiskey.
So they rushed outside, they jumped on their horses and
galloped out of town. They came away with less than
one hundred dollars in cash, which is I don't know,
like three thousand something in today's money.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Right, so when they went between them, not a big
not a big no no.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So when the shooting started, though, it scared the drunk
lookouts horse, which ran away.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Of course, there it goes, there goes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's that's the actual sound of the actual horse actually,
and that horse's name was Sandwich McGillicuddy. Yeah, that's right.
So it left him to get caught, right, Like, if
you're the drunk guy by this point, and what do
you what do you think you do? Like your horse
ran away?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Like you're like, I mean I'd go back into the saloon.
I feel like I have friends in there. You know,
you didn't shoot anybody in there, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He did something similar but way like less discreet. He
tried to act like he wasn't involved by running into
an outhouse and throwing his gun and his knife down
the hole, right, but like the townspeople have just watched
him shoot at them, So.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Make an id this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, he took four steps to the outhouse. We're like,
we just saw you. So he pushed over the outhouse.
They raked through the ship, collected his weapons, and forced
him to confess to the crime and describe the outlawst plans.
I can imagine being like, fine, I'll tell you. Also,
just stop waving that shitty gun in my face. That's
fucking nasty, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, it weren't the outlaws plans clear at this point,
like why did why are these the townspeople asking him
to explain the plan? The plans? What did they want
to do? Did we went in to that bank with
those guns? What did you want?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, they wanted you saw it, you were there, you
gave them suggestions and still how to do it. I
don't know why you're asking me about it. So the
authorities across the West were on the lookout for kid Curry,
and he was recognized in Montana two months later while
buying camp supplies, so soon a posse was on his trail.
The posse was heavily armed and they caught up with
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Curry and the Sundance kid while they were setting up camp.
Sundance was too far from his gear to make an escape,
but Kid Curry ran to his horse. He jumped on
and kicked into a gallop as he rode off, though
one of the posse fired his rifle, scared me and
shot a hole in Curry's wrist right. The bullet went
straight through the horse's neck too, so the horse collapsed
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into a sand dune and Curry surrendered when the posse arrived.
So I just keep in mind this shot in the
wrist because it will be importantly. That's called foreshadowing. In September,
the men were taking to Deadwood, South Dakota, where they
were held in the jail to stand trial. This is
exactly when Kid Curry made his first first jail break.
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One night, when the jailer was coming back from a
date with his wife, good that they were keeping the
marriage alive.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Do you think they went to the saloon too or
their restaurants.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They went to the saloon and then they went to
rob a bank real quick, and then they they checked
literally it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They went to buy new swinging doors.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Honey, what do you like these doors? They're kind of swinging.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I feel like our doors don't swing, like, Oh, get
you some swing doors, Jesus Christy they are so After
the day, they chicked in on the prisoners and he
saw that they were still locked in the building, but
they had somehow gotten out of their cells.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
When he ordered them back inside so he could lock
them in, they said that their cells were closed and
that they were locked out. So confused the jailer, God
bless them. The jailer opened the prison to check the
locks on the cell doors, and the prisoners jumped him,
which was not anticipated by anybody in history.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Obviously, were so dumbe.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
What the fuck? He's like, hey, get back in there, Sorry,
we're locked down. I was like, okay, I'll come in
and lock you on our system. Yeah okay, yeah you
get I'll come and figure it out for you. List once,
but next time it happens again, you do it by yourself.
So they beat his ass and they locked him and
his wife in the cell. Thankfully they didn't know. They
went on the date they got to go on, the
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date they got into day, and like afterwards, they're like,
are you it's exhilarina? Is I you known escape? Yeah?
He was like, I don't totally fine at all. I'm
sorry I didn't get you the swinging door. So you
said you wanted some excitement in your life. So more
than sixty men joined the search for the escapees over
the next few days, but false sightings had the authorities
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running in circles. Es Kid Curry and the Sun Dance
Kid stole horses and made their escape. So we're gonna
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get some really cool music because we're going to introduce
chapter three.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh okay, there you go there, very cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Thank you, very cool. So the fact that Kid Curry's
first bank heist didn't go very well didn't keep him
from planning more robberies, right, So him and the Sundance
Kid were treated to Utah, where they were welcomed by
a new part in crime, their bandit hero Butch Cassidy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right right there we go.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We get famous people here, betchay, what's going on? He's like, guys,
I just met a guy called Salvatory Peninsula. So when
Curry's gang arrived at Butch Cassidy's hideout. It was the
first official meeting of the group that would become the
Wild Bunch, and for the next four years, Kid Curry,
Butch and the Sundance Kid would carry out a string
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of the biggest, most balls out heists in American history.
It started in July and eighteen ninety eight with a
train robbery in Nevada. Two robbers on the train forced
the engineer and the brakeman to stop at a mile
marker where Kit Curry was waiting with the horses. There,
they used explosives to blow open the safe, demolishing an
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entire train car in the process, which seems successive. I'm
just going to say that, So.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
There's a safe on the train.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
There's a safe on the train, and that's the money.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That the people paid to get on the train.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm sure it's like they're transporting money.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're transporting money. It's going from one place to another. Yeah,
this is a specific train. They didn't specific train. They
weren't like trains have a lot of money. Let's go
rob a train. I'm tied.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
These banks, man, these trains they're just like the banks,
so predictably lucrative let me make it, let me work
for it, let me work for this.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Let's take a chance, maybe this train.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So newspaper said that they made off with anything from
nine thou to twenty six thousand dollars, which in today's
world would be almost a million dollars. So that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And there's thilly of them, right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, well, listen, listen. If this show was named the
Greatest Heists, we might go into detail about them, but
I'm just gonna quickly name you what they were. Okay, Okay,
So we have the Wilcox train robbery. Sh there you go,
the Fullsome train robbery, the Tipton train robbery, the Exeter
Creek train robbery, and all the other train robberies. Okay,
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so listen. Over the next couple of years, Kid Curry
and the gang used to same method to pull off
a string of infamous train robberies, and after each one
he would just kind of lie low and chill for
a few months and just enjoy himself. I mean, in
today's money, they were each getting like four hundred thousand
dollars a pop. I don't know if you had that
much money drop into your lap all at once, how
would you spend it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I would have paid fish to come play in my
backyard and not do that whole thing all over again,
y two K and everything. So listen.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So between jobs, the gang would split, it would split up, right,
Kid Curry would travel from town to town playing cool,
drinking apricot brandy and telling people that he met that
he was a railroad man. What can we assume with
a dude who drinks apricot brandy, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Day, Yeah, it's very And that was pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, he'sds twirling his mustache and you know, in my
he really had a sick ass mustache.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean didn't I guess everybody had a mustache back then. Yeah,
you know, they had different trademarks.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And that was one of his.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Why are they why are they both? Kid? By the way,
what's the deal? Like? How old are these guys? Do
you know?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Seventy two?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Geriatric? Kid?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Kid Curry actually partied the hardest. He was the kind
of a bad boy of the wild Bunch, and he
got a reputation both as the infamous killer of the
crew but also as the most frequent lover. Yes yeah,
women across the West claim that he was the father
of their children, and if all the stories were true,
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he would have had like eighty five kids. Wow, oh
my god, that fucking thing plays in my head if
I play, Like if somehow I leave the computer on
and I hear that in the middle of the night,
I will die of a heart attack. You know how
they say that there's no more beautiful sound than that
of a baby's laughter unless you live by yourself, and
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there is no baby, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And by the way, I have two children, and I
can't stand babies, and I hate and that sound is
trauma regering for me too.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh man, So this guy's this guy's going around.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He's banging left and rights, he's having sex.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He's a railroad man. He's drinking.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She's got the Is he the one with the appercop Brandy?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, he loves the apracom venny.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Every now and then the Wild Bunge would get back
together and for some harmless fun, right Like in December
of nineteen hundred, Kid Curry, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance
Kid all got together with a few of the other
friends for a wedding where they took the now very
famous picture. So It shows them in perfectly tailored suits
with show we watch chains ties and waistcoasts, and apparently
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they'd all gotten new bowler hats and they tossed them
on their head at jaunty angles because they're like, oh,
are you doing? Are you doing, johnd Angle? I'm doing, John.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
These guys are adorable. They're so cute.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So the string of successful robberies by the Wild Bunch
was of course drawing a lot of attention, and that
included the attention of the railroad's favorite protection service, the
Pinkerton Detective Agency, which I don't know why they spoke
like that, but that's historically accurate. When the photographer gave
his negatives to the Pinkertons, that famous photograph became the
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wanted poster for the Wild Bunch. It was printed all
across America.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I heard some people started to send their loved ones
the picks that they want used if they ever go missing.
You know. But I'm wondering, like, is there one that
you would not want to be stuck with ever?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah? I mean, if you google image me pre two thousand,
let's say nine, any of those pictures that was just a.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Huge yes, you can smell the X bodiespoke exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It was ever mean. Everybody was a disaster back then,
but I I was not the exception.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So once everyone started to recognize their faces, members of
the Wild Bunch started to get picked off. Some were killed,
others were caught and locked up for their crimes, and
eventually Butch and the Sundance Kid decided to take their
money and leave the country. They thought if they could
make it to South America, they could become like legitimate
farmers there. So in March of nineteen oh one, they
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boarded a ship for Argentina carrying twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
In gold, which I imagine is heavy.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, that's right. They probably had a bunch of chests.
And I love that people in the steamer are being like,
I don't know, they seemed perfectly normal to have twelve
chests of heavy shot.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They don't seem to change into a lot of different clothes,
but they packed a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know what kept striking that pose of that
of those wild Wold Bunch guys.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
They were taking picture.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They came once with the Apple brand. Another picture again, Yeah,
carry on the other side. Yeah, he believed this one
at sunset. Yeah, this whe in moonlight.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The guys are adorable.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So Kid Curry, on the other hand, believed that there
were still places in the United States where he could
hide out, living under a false identity, and he might
even try to pull off another heister through things had
gone according to Plant so far, so he thought he
was untouchable. But he was wrong. So with Butch and
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the Sundance Kid off the scene, Kid Curry became the
biggest name of the Wild Bunch still at large in
the USA. In September nineteen oh one, Kid Curry was
traveling across the South and he was staying in luxury
hotels and entertaining himself at Brothels and pool halls.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
By the way, you asked me what I would do
if someone just dumped a bunch of money into my lap.
I think Kid Curry and I would be would be
pretty similar hotel.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Also, also, I'm noticing that nineteen oh one now has
pool hall, So we moved on from Saloons and that
was there's Brothels pool How is the diversifying.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, it's just sort of an old Vegas. It just
sounds like everything.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's just everything goes. But Kid Curry ran into some trouble.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Don't don't dunt.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He was traveling with a girlfriend when she was arrested
at a Nashville bank trying to exchange some of the
money that they had stolen from a train. The Pinkertons
and the police they had kept a strict account of
the numbered bills that they were missing, right, so now
they knew someone connected with the train robberies was attempting
to spend money in Nashville, so they closed in. So
when his girlfriend didn't come back from the bank, Kid
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Curry got spooked. He was sure that the detectives had
nabbed her, so he hiked into the Tennessee Mountains to
hide out. But you know, Kit Curry isn't really cut
out for the quiet life, and after a few weeks
he started to get wrestless. So you're Kid Curry, you're
chilling in the Tennessee Mountains. You're bored out of your mind.
How do you cook up a little excitement? What do
you do? How do you fill your time?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Maybe write a musical? Is that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yes? And that's what he did? Okay, f.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Music The One Man's show yey.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Hey, welcome everybody to that huh came.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Out whoaa, And this is how Oklahoma started exact hu
Jegman started that in nineteen oh one.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So he waited until he thought that the investigation had
blown over, and he decided to go for another round
of good times in Knoxville. On Friday, December the thirteenth,
Curry was at the Knoxville Central Bar when he had
some mad luck For Kit Curry, he made the trouble himself.
So he was playing cards with other regulars when something
set him off and he attacked two of the other players,
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choking and hitting them, and they just started Yeah, there
you go, there's a bar bystanders. They started brawling and
the noise of the fight brought in two police officers
who were walking by on the street. When they got closed,
they tried to ask him questions. Kit Curry pulled out
a gun from his jacket and started shooting. Yep, that's yeah.
The two officers were close enough to club him with
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their sticks.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And what terrible aim he has if they're close enough
to club him.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, why are he's getting well across Brandy? I think
is to blame him much afric Yeah, so one even
splintered his club over Curry's head, but both men ended
the fight with bullet wounds from Curry. So Kid Curry
ran out into the dark knight trailing blood. The local
shaff brought in dogs and tracked him through the night,
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and police calmed the area. Kid Curry was finally caught
thirty miles north walking the railroad tracks, and once he
was in custody, they worked to identify him. Remember how
they would have identify him the rest The gunshot wound
in his rest gave him rind of a buzz everybody wow, yeah, gloves,
So they realized that he was He had been captured
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in Montana, and they were super ecstatic. Right, the prisoner
was Kid Curry. The wildness of the wild Bunch. When
he was finally brought to Knox County jail, ward had
already spread. He was met by a crowd of hundreds
just there to watch him get thrown into jail. Wow.
It took almost like a year and a half for
Kit Curry's case to go through the courts. The local
sheriff had to fend off visitors and intercept packages of
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escape tools like hacksaws, etc. Now, clearly Curry had friends
on the outside who were trying to get him out. However,
nobody actually liked him in the courtroom because in November,
kid Curry was sentenced to one hundred and thirty years
of hard labor in the federal penitentiary. So kit Curry
decided to take his freedom into his own hands. A
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few days later, as the jailer was making his rounds
to check in on the prisoner, kit Curry called him
to look out the window, but when he did, the
jailer found a loop of wire whipped over his head,
dropped down over his neck, and kid Curry pulled it tight.
With the wire cutting into his throat, the guard was
forced to put his hands through the bars, where kit
Curry tied him in place. Now, once the guard was bound,
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kid Curry pulled a long makeshift grappling hook from its
hiding place in the prison bathroom and from the jail hallway.
He was able to reach through the bars and hook
the sh shoe box that held the guard's weapons. Like
this is like some cartoon shit, right.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm so silly because I'm expecting this sort of andy
de frame kind of like like smart shawshank, you know,
escape and no, this is my man, kid, He's gonna
be it's gonna be blunt force.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He's not gonna be bothered by the mathematics.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
No math, yeah, no, no crawling.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm gonna reach for that shoe. Oh so, police station,
you have your shit in like a shoe box like thing,
and like it's in visibility for other prisoners. Probably not
the best idea. So he pulled it over and now
he had a cold forty five and then he waited.
A second guard had the prison keys. So at four
point eighty that afternoon, the man arrived and kid Curry
(31:43):
was held on the second floor and as soon as
the jailer reached the top of the steps, he was
looking down the barrel of a pistol. The choice was clear,
opened the prison door immediately or die. Oh yeah. Curry
gathered his things, holding the man at gunpoint, and when
he was he put the gun in the guard's back
and walked him downstairs and out to the stable. Kid
(32:04):
Curry forced the guard to prepare him a horse, and
he chose the one belonging to the local sheriff, James Fox.
Why that's insult to injury, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Like? Why take the share him a horse? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I said a course, and I was like, of course,
this is this dude's.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I needed to take a quick course on how to.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Probably a course like a part of a meal, you know, like, oh,
the guy had to prepare him.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He wanted to.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Make me a bo bay.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yes, he wanted a course on musical theater writing skills.
So once a horse was ready, Kid Curry jumped into
the saddle and trotted out of town. He was seen
by people all along the road. Some of them didn't
recognize him, but since he was riding slowly, he didn't
raise suspicions. There's some accounts that a few Knoxville residents
didn't know who he was and called their friends to
(32:50):
come and see. As the infamous Kit Curry rode out
of town. As usual, pose gathered, but they weren't able
to track him down. For more than fifteen miles. Before
that lost his trail, Kid Curry vanished into legend. You're
ready for the last bit of this, riding off into
the sunset? Yes, yes, sunset, thank you. So what happened
(33:21):
next for Kid Curry is a mystery right all through
nineteen oh four. Stories and legends from across the West
placed him in Unsolved train robberies and shootouts where the
gunman wasn't identified and among the thieves when horses went missing.
Other papers reported that he was in Wyoming or Montana.
A letter actually arrived at the Knoxville jail and said,
tell the boys not to follow my footsteps and keep
out of trouble. It had a California mailing address and
(33:44):
sent the pinkertons on a cross country wild goose chase.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
After one Colorado train robbery in nineteen oh four, sheriff
deputies arrived quickly on the scene. More than one hundred
men with horses and bloodhounds hunted down the bandits, and
rainfall made their tracks easy to follow in the mud
with the posse close after them. The bandit stopped at
arranged to steel fresh horses, but the owners somehow didn't
like that weird, so the men exchanged gunfire with the
(34:09):
bandits and one of the robbers was hit in the chest.
Now before his buddies could stop him, he raised his
gun to a semple and he shouted, don't wait for me,
and he fired now. When the body was brought to
Glenwood Springs, Colorado, it was actually identified by locals as
a man named J. H. Ross and buried in a
poor man's grave. Except there were two things that raised
(34:29):
some questions about the real identity of the body. Number
one the fact that the real J. H. Ross arrived
in town a few days later to prove that he
wasn't dead. He was like, what the fuck you, guys,
and why's my wife with somebody in two days?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And the second is that the body had the scar
of a bullet wound on his right wrist. Motherfuckers, my goodness.
But people just didn't want to believe that kid Curry
was dead, you know. They wanted to believe that he
made it through the firefight and that he lived on
in secret. A lot of denial, you know. So one
story says that Kit Curry actually died in an asylum
(35:05):
in nineteen thirty seven. Another one says, no, no, actually
he settled down in Spokane, Washington and lived until the
late nineteen fifties. Another one says, no, he moved to Guatemala,
became an actor, it got dimples, and it's still living.
It like, wait, what the fuck? But then there is
one last I was referring to myself, okay, but there's
one last toice to these myths. Okay, some of Kit
(35:27):
Curry's descendants have wanted to dig up the body in
Colorado to do some genetic testing to verify where he's buried,
but when they arrived, the body could not be found.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Ah, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
The records of the burial plot were lost. And that's
a story of Kit Curry. Everybody, ye ya, wow.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Well, okay, I'm still stuck on how old is this?
How old is kid? Because he's he's doing all these
robberies and everything, and at the turn of the century,
and then some accounts have him living until mid century nineteen.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So let's say he was doing the robberies robberies in
his uh late teens or eighteens, it would have to
be well, but you're right, though, because if he was
arranging for ten years, he must have been older than that.
So let's say, like from twenty five to thirty five,
and then if he died in the fifties, he must
have been.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
What if he's a bunch of people, you know, like
what if he's not just one guy eight algamation like
doctor Strange, like Doctor Strange or Shakespeare. But isn't that fascinating?
That is that's pretty that's pretty crazy. And his buddies
who I know who I've heard of way more are
just off in South America ranching and they just have
(36:46):
accents now and they took like this and they like it,
like they immediately adopted the accents immediately.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
What are what are ridiculous Latin names that you think
they chose as their alias?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Dansa they didn't really like high round.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
They didn't do they didn't change.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know, like they really they.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Added maybe one more syllable that was about it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Then how can people find you?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Do you want my address? Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
How can How can people.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Coming from the one oh one?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Is there anything you'd like people to check out or
or be aware of?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
No? I mean there's the things that I've done. There's
things I've got coming up that I that aren't talk
about able yet. I mean, I've got a I've got
an animated show called Monsters at Work on Disney. It's
super that's the Monster's univer Monsters And that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I wrote, Yeah, I love the monsters.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It so fights me and and it's all that you know,
It's like Billy Crystal and Jen Goodman and all the
it's like Mindy Kayling and I Winkler.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's such a cool of course, sweetest guy in the world,
and he is the best listen. I always believe that,
like old timey Western country songs are just kind of
describing what you're doing at that present moment. You know,
this is like a comedian said this joke before. But
what what I've noticed is that they're just running out
of shit to say about their days. So now it's
getting even more mundane. So as an outdro we would
(38:07):
like to have Ben play some music and us to
make up some really stupid lyrics to that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Would you be up for that? Yeah, it's just stuff
we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Stuff we're doing right now. What we think about the episode,
fuck it whatever, that's, whatever goes. If it doesn't work,
we'll totally cut it out.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Sure, No, we won't.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Okay, Ben, give us some good So this is like
old timey country, but it's like Neil Young kind of.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay soft, there's heart to it.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, yeah, Argentina in the distance, can you see it?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Butch oh? Are we the characters from the story?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yes? Butch can you see what I see? I see
the hole in your wrist. It's getting deeper and deeper.
But a day should put a bend aid on in
rapper called whiskey, the Apricott whiskey. I've had all the fruits.
(39:05):
I've tried with cranberry and it didn't work. That Brandy
t is nice Apricot Brandy for live.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
God, this has been such a pleasure, Ben, Thank you
so much, brother, And we'll give you the rights of
the music once we played.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh, that song is gonna be huge. That's gonna be
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come up
with like a music like I'm Kid Feldman.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Now you're kidman who likes Kurt.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Massamon Feldman.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Brady's Escapes is a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation
Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio or Executive producers for
me or Turo Castro, Alyssa Martino and Milan Papelka from
Film Nation Entertainment, Andrew Chug and Witning Donaldson from Gilded Audio,
and Dylan Fagan from iHeartRadio. The show was produced and
edited by Carl Nellis and Ben Chug, who are also respectively,
are Research Overlord and Music Overlord. Our associate producer is
(40:03):
Tory Smith, who's our other overlord. Nick Dooley is our
technical director. Additional editing by Whitney Donaldson. Special thanks to
Alison Cohen, Dan Welsh, Ben Riiseek, Sarah Joyner, Nicky Stein,
Olivia Canny and Kelsey Albright. Hey, thank you so much
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